[0:00] Well, am I the temporary chair, pro-tam? I nominate you. Okay. And I second that. All right, roll call, well, Erin and I are here. I don't see any normal citizens. I should see any of those citizens. The way to put it.

[0:23] and the June 23 months look good to me and okay those are approved.

[0:32] I'm going to

[0:33] assume Tim you're the one who's going to talk about an assistant lawyer.

[0:43] So I am

[0:44] here just to kind of a little conversation about a possibility of a new

[0:48] position. Sam was the previous clerk of council slash legal assistant and we were

[0:55] hoping in lieu of replacing Sam's position, you know, there's not a huge increase in

[1:03] salary to move forward with an assistant law to rental position.

[1:06] It probably would be, I know there's benefits in everything associated with it, but I

[1:10] know that Sam was right around high 60s in her pay.

[1:17] There was additional compensation of overtime in the previous position.

[1:22] So this would be looking at it from the stance of we're still waiting to hear back from

[1:25] on the true grade that it would be placed in,

[1:29] but putting, getting an attorney position in place

[1:33] in a lot of art on the civil side.

[1:36] There's a couple of benefits to this,

[1:38] one of which it does improve the kind of

[1:41] cognitive services and the institutional knowledge

[1:44] that's here, too.

[1:45] It allows us to have some succession planning

[1:48] in the sense of, you know, we've had in the past law directors

[1:52] that have left and, or gotten jobs elsewhere,

[1:54] and there's nothing there's nobody else here we end up having a lot of outside

[1:59] council costs and you know I know when I started I had a stack of stuff sitting

[2:04] on a desk that hadn't been touched in four months and it was basically a we

[2:10] don't know what's happening with all of this I'd also provide a little more

[2:13] flexibility in the department and gives that a system law director the ability to

[2:17] have a little more flexibility to get some additional responsibilities and

[2:20] experience and familiar with the city operations.

[2:24] This isn't just looking to replace the administrative position with the additional

[2:28] attorney, but to establish the kind of a more professional position that would also include

[2:34] the clerk of council duties within.

[2:36] So it would still be kind of a combined position, but it would be within their job description

[2:41] as having the clerk of council duties as well.

[2:44] So this was hoping that once Archer comes back, we'll be able to have an ordinance in front

[2:50] Council to move forward with this position and we would hold off on we would not fill the legal

[2:56] assistance slash clerk of council position. That's it.

[3:05] Now

[3:09] this we have regularly scheduled meetings

[3:13] with the mayor and Joe. House reached out to our council members and one of my topics I wanted to

[3:21] talk with them about was I think we're getting too top of it city.

[3:27] You know we had Pat

[3:29] come on as assistant city administrator which I think was great. I mean we saw that need

[3:33] that was something we need to fill. We got the DPU manager. I don't I don't see a need

[3:41] for two lawyers here and it's gonna cost us more maybe not much more but then you know

[3:48] that lawyer is going to have to do CLE keep it all up and I'm I'm hesitant I mean do we that

[3:57] think we can't find a paralegal I mean I thought Sam was a perfect yeah or you just coming at

[4:04] more from you want to upgrade and you're not saying you haven't tried to hire a paralegal. No we have

[4:11] not since Sam has left we have not tried to hire a paralegal. We were looking at the position

[4:15] and kind of the needs on that level.

[4:19] This isn't a deputy director of the area.

[4:24] It basically is looking at it as the same thing

[4:26] as an assistant prosecutor position

[4:27] just on the single side.

[4:29] So if you look at the prosecutor's side

[4:31] of the law department, we have the city prosecutor

[4:33] and then we have an assistant prosecutor.

[4:35] This would be a very similar scenario

[4:37] versus having the law director

[4:40] on having the assistant in place on that side.

[4:43] But it's going to be a lawyer they will be a lawyer and and see I think we have a prosecutor's system prosecutor over there for

[4:49] Many years haven't we yeah

[4:52] And I mean, that's kind of driven by the case

[4:55] Soon it is um I

[4:59] I just

[5:02] I'm not sure the works there to have another person in the direct law director's office

[5:08] I mean, do you think it's needed?

[5:11] I mean, Sam was, I thought kind of helping

[5:14] the part of that work long.

[5:16] So she could do, you could delegate to her.

[5:19] There was some benefit to that position,

[5:21] but it really restricts having a paralegal place there,

[5:24] really restricts the type of work

[5:25] that they're able to do.

[5:26] Oh, sure.

[5:28] You know, as well as anybody that,

[5:30] there is the baseline work that can happen,

[5:32] but it is constantly having to review,

[5:36] having to change, having to do a lot of, you know, adjustments on that side.

[5:40] Something that we were running into was, no matter what type of work was done, it was

[5:45] still a lot of additional work for me to complete as well as anything with a little bit

[5:51] higher level was not able to be completed all the way to the side.

[5:55] All right.

[5:57] I see the chairman broke down with I go to the real chairman who was just arrived in Kevin

[6:04] And just to bring up the speed, I was questioning in Tim, maybe you need to kind of re-summerize

[6:14] your, what you envision with the assistant city law director for Kevin, and I'll repeat

[6:20] my thoughts in guess.

[6:21] Yeah, my apologies to everyone, Tim, repeat yourself in the committee, it can't have that

[6:28] work.

[6:28] Oh, no worries.

[6:30] Just for requesting the view of a position for assistant law director, this would be

[6:34] in lieu of having a legal assistant slash clerk of council.

[6:38] This would have the clerk of council duties built into that position.

[6:43] There's a couple of reasons for this, one of which is it allows for another higher level,

[6:48] you know, an attorney in place that could take care of some of the kind of more basic features

[6:52] that I have to deal with on a regular basis.

[6:55] It allows for additional succession planning for the city, so we don't run into a situation

[7:00] in the path like we have in the past where a lot of actor leaves or ends up not able

[7:05] to continue with their work and then you end up having months and months without having

[7:08] any legal counsel for the city.

[7:10] And it also allows us to kind of increase the city's legal capacity and developing a future

[7:17] leadership position possibly in the city.

[7:19] now this isn't a assistant as in a deputy head of the department it would be more

[7:24] of looking at it as an assistant prosecutor and we're hoping that you know when

[7:28] archer scores it comes back on a similar level of saying you know there is

[7:32] not supervision there isn't any training about person of other individuals this

[7:37] is just a you know subordinate category that they have the ability to help with

[7:41] the legal work that the city seems and I completely understand your thoughts on

[7:47] You know, we are there's some if you think the city's getting top heavy in that I know that you know the elimination

[7:53] I don't see this being a massive extra expense for the city

[7:56] There are times where things get pushed aside and get pushed back on my end do the fact that you know

[8:03] There's little fires everywhere that kind of go on you know

[8:08] I had a couple of days off for a family reasons and I came back to you know tons and tons of emails with tons and stuff to do plus

[8:16] plus you know 30 public records requests plus you know everything else that was my daily

[8:22] schedule coming in and that's just from a few days you know when I look at this there

[8:27] might not be every day that it's going to be the busiest day in the world but we do have

[8:33] for what the city expects on the legal work to be completed we do have a lot of legal work

[8:38] that is completed at the city you know we're viewing every contract that comes through making

[8:42] sure that everything, all the terms are there, writing additives to agreements so that

[8:47] we have.

[8:47] We make sure that they're compliant with the Ohio law, that it does take up a lot of time.

[8:53] And then adding in the council duties, which is the drafting ordinances, resolutions, this

[9:00] would cover the minutes, the agendas, and everything else, which also the very time consuming

[9:04] process.

[9:07] And we're going to ultimately have to trust him judgment on this, but we're concerned

[9:12] I had to express that.

[9:14] It's kind of reminiscent of the CPU manager.

[9:18] I kind of feel like we're getting pretty tough at the year.

[9:23] We've created a deputy for Amber fully justified, Pat was fully justified.

[9:30] We've been talking about that for 10 years.

[9:34] And to your other points, I'll just give the rebuttal, you know, we've had prosecutors,

[9:40] system prosecutors, but that's been for many years.

[9:42] And I think that's driven by simply caseloading units.

[9:48] And I thought, you know, I expressed this to everyone present.

[9:53] I thought the amber fit was really good.

[9:57] Having apparently, you only tend to explain when you came in apparently, you can do something

[10:01] things, but they certainly can't do everything a lawyer can do.

[10:12] You mentioned public records request. I remember when Sam was hired, there was some thought

[10:18] that she could probably, with supervision by you, handle a lot of that.

[10:27] And, you know, an assistant waterer would be more expensive than saying them, but maybe Tim was saying not that much more.

[10:38] But I'm concerned there would be additional costs that voters could have to maintain and COEs, and obviously I think the city would have to pay for that.

[10:48] I was just voicing random concerns and on the succession piece, I don't know how to say this exactly, but I'm not as worried about that now because you're here.

[11:06] I don't want to get into your predecessors, but that wasn't because they retired.

[11:15] you know those just were candidates who really just didn't

[11:20] the long-term didn't work out.

[11:23] So I'm going to assume you're

[11:25] going to be here for a long time doing a great job and will need

[11:30] to worry about success in many years down the road. Those are my

[11:33] random thoughts. I'm not dead set of folks, not just trying to

[11:36] voice concerns and I was really just kind of trying to poke a

[11:42] that why the Parallel Eagle Clerk of Council model couldn't work.

[11:51] And obviously it could

[11:52] and it did, but you may be telling us that it worked better.

[11:56] The Parallel Eagle Clerk of Council worked very well for Council.

[12:01] Okay, I'll put that way. No matter what, there was a lot of review, a lot of overview, oversight,

[12:11] a lot of, you know, more than, you know, I should have handed up having a lot more of the oversight and then there were some things that were attempted to send one direction and they just did not work out going that direction.

[12:26] So it ended up being a lot more of a clerk of council position than a legal assistant slash clerk of council position.

[12:33] And it is tough in the sense of when you're looking at somebody that has the, you know,

[12:42] education and the ability to kind of proceed with doing a little higher level work, it

[12:48] is very much beneficial to all in that sense.

[12:52] As I said earlier, we do, I know I've worked with a lot of the, you know, law directors that

[12:58] know, I do it for a city, I do it for a village and I'm kind of, you know, they pay me hourly

[13:03] to do that.

[13:05] There's not an expectation a lot of times for them to be reviewing, you know, everything

[13:09] that comes to the city that has any legal implications.

[13:11] It's a higher level, you know, here reviewing the big things and making sure there's not a lot

[13:17] of liability whereas, you know, we do.

[13:19] We review everything that, before anything it's signed by the mayor, it's signed off on by

[13:23] myself and my amber, you know, which is a full review of everything associated with it,

[13:30] plus any supplemental terms or anything else that we have to add in.

[13:35] So there is a lot of work that goes into, you know, my side of things.

[13:41] And if I had a, you know, if I, if you could tell me I had a, you know, 20-year paralegal

[13:47] that had all of the experience and knew all that, and was a, I could sit down and run with

[13:52] them say okay you do it I would say absolutely but I don't think that our pay

[13:57] grade in that as well allows for that and I don't think if we get it scored they're

[14:02] gonna say that's necessary for that position to have that because they scored the

[14:07] position already and they put it exactly where it is so the review of this was

[14:13] looking at it from there's I believe there is a big benefit to the city I'm not

[14:20] I'm looking at this more of not a deputy director and not anything else.

[14:25] This is more of just a employee position, no supervisory experience necessary,

[14:32] but the ability to grow in that position and in the legal side of the position.

[14:37] And as much as you guys hope that I'm here for years and years to come,

[14:40] there's no promises there, you know, this is a job, if something comes up.

[14:45] It has to take me in another direction, it has to take me in another direction.

[14:49] and I would be remiss to leave the city high and dry on the scenario like that of saying,

[14:53] oh, sorry, now, you know,

[14:57] have fun with the legal bills and everything else.

[15:00] On that. So I do think, you know, there's there are other opportunities with trying to find, you know, a paralegal. I just don't think that's going to be as beneficial for the department. Yes, this. So we still on need of the law. This wouldn't that we, I guess we changed that position. No, it was approved last council meeting. That the paralegal position is for the prosecutor's office. Okay, for the process. So the process.

[15:30] Housecutor's office will have still the city prosecutor, the assistant prosecutor, their paralegal, and

[15:37] that affect them's advocate and administrative assistant in that office.

[15:42] Okay, so if we had this role, we would not have a clerk on the top floor.

[15:46] This would be the clerk of council would also be included in the assistant law director's job position.

[15:51] And that would be a part of their job, would be making sure that they're here for the minutes.

[15:55] They're doing all of that as well to make sure that there's the time frames associated with

[15:59] as well as building the agendas and working through all that, which are duties that are

[16:05] placed on a lot of ractor, you know, if the clerk of council is not there, you know, the

[16:09] agendas and everything, writing ordinances, resolutions, everything else that isn't hard

[16:14] work, but it's long work, I should say.

[16:22] Well, and I think you make about a point that this position has gotten your position is

[16:33] getting into a far more broad range of duties and transactions.

[16:40] I mean, this is a heck of a lot more complicated city than it was even ten years ago.

[16:46] You know, at some point, I don't know what the magic population number is, but you go

[16:52] from being a little village or relative with small city to, I mean, we're not LA or anything

[16:58] I'm not saying that, but it's a pretty sophisticated organization now that gets into a lot of

[17:05] high-level stuff and I can't argue with you on that.

[17:09] And I'm taking a little bit by what you said that Sam worked out very well for counsel.

[17:15] She was great.

[17:16] I'm true.

[17:17] We all thought.

[17:18] But maybe it just wasn't as helpful to you as we thought it might be.

[17:25] So what stage are you at, tell you, you're going to send it out for salary analysis?

[17:30] At this point, there has been a CPQ drafted.

[17:34] It's out to Archer for review.

[17:36] They are in the process.

[17:37] this, they'll score that, they'll put a grade on it.

[17:40] And once that's done, it'll be something that we'd like

[17:42] to bring forward and move forward on that side.

[17:46] I do understand thoughts on this.

[17:49] I know it's something that we haven't done in the past.

[17:52] It's something that other cities are size.

[17:55] Some of them have, some of them don't.

[17:56] As you grow, it's going to be something

[18:01] that's necessary to move forward with.

[18:03] But I also look at this as a, as much as, like I said, there's always the benefit to

[18:09] having additional parties that understand what's going on and have an idea of how everything's

[18:14] moving forward. This might even give us the ability to pick somebody and grow them in an area

[18:20] that might not be my strongest area either. So having somebody who is, I do a little bit of labor

[18:26] here and there, but I don't do a lot of it and having them grow and kind of helping out with the HR

[18:30] and working through that and getting some more training

[18:32] in those areas could be beneficial.

[18:34] Now, with the additional education, CLEs,

[18:38] and the educational requirement,

[18:40] I mean, it's $400 every two years,

[18:43] and then we do the limited CLE pass

[18:46] through Toledo of our association on an annual basis.

[18:49] That's another $300 a year,

[18:51] and that traditionally covers all the CLEs.

[18:53] There might be some conferences,

[18:54] there might be some training,

[18:55] but if you look at the budget for training

[18:58] for the lot of apartment, it's quite low due to the fact that most of it can be taken

[19:02] care of through those unlimited CLE package through the membership through the TBA, which

[19:08] we find greatly beneficial for the city.

[19:11] Can you not now off the top of your head?

[19:17] Can you give us a survey of similar size cities and you say some do some don't?

[19:23] I can look around and kind of gauge who has, who does not.

[19:26] Yeah, more than that. I think that's more information on that side. I don't know. I'm kind of familiar with some of them, but I don't know, particularly internally on that. I know more about who they're using as outside counsel.

[19:41] Let me do how they're doing it internally.

[19:44] Well, that's the other question, though, is we've tried to reduce outside counsel costs immensely over the past few years.

[19:51] I think we've been able to do so and you know I know that I hear from

[19:58] Joe every once in a while like use outside counsel for that and I try to I mean

[20:01] I'm one that might be a little micromanaging on that side but I'd like to know

[20:05] what I'm putting forward and making sure that it's what we're looking for is the

[20:09] city there so you know we have we have the benefit of utilizing outside counsel

[20:15] but it is also a lot more beneficial when you're able to have everything done in

[20:19] house and you know exactly how it's going to work yeah and you have some immediate oversight

[20:24] there and we control the timeframes we control when things happen it's not a we'll get to

[20:30] it when we get to it yeah you have reduced reliance on outside council so I remember pad cut the lawyers

[20:37] out when he did the last police department negotiations you know they got a e2 you just just yank it right

[20:44] away from it might not be the same this year but no it's I guess that this is

[20:51] bringing it up just so that it's not a surprise we're trying to push something

[20:55] on the council wanted to give the opportunity to ask questions you know get

[20:59] thoughts and ideas but I can look into that and provide some more information on

[21:02] that side as well yeah and thanks for asking those questions and I'm relying on him

[21:07] as he you know the industry you know so but those are probably my immediate

[21:13] like sort of questions similar to extracted those I think the answers from you but you know when

[21:19] we and it actually seems like you're trying to mimic a little bit like our other departments

[21:23] there's a little bit of plan of succession in built-in but you mentioned this person would not have

[21:30] any supervisory role would you imagine that would probably have impact archers response to where

[21:35] they need to be in a pay van system. We believe so. Okay. Yeah. What will this look like for your

[21:42] department I guess financially where do you I guess where do you have like a budget like where

[21:48] this role were to fill this where how that's what that's going to do to your department and I

[21:53] guess in comparison to when we might then spending an outside of council or just a cost analysis

[22:00] for the department I guess I can take a look at the true cost analysis once we get back the

[22:06] the grading for Marcher.

[22:08] You know, as once we see what they're kind of looking at

[22:11] and saying, hey, here's what our cost is associated with this.

[22:14] We can have a much better understanding of what we'd be

[22:17] looking for and how much costs would come out of there.

[22:21] The view of this would be about 25% of the time

[22:24] would be spent on clerk of council and council related duties.

[22:27] So of course, and that will come out of that budget,

[22:29] that account, and then the other 75%

[22:33] that would be coming out of a lot of Ireland's budget on that side.

[22:38] Do we ever go to Archer with, say, we have a budget number in mind and say, hey,

[22:44] this is what we'd like to achieve, build us a position.

[22:47] Like, we don't feel like we ever do that.

[22:49] Are they able to help us out with that?

[22:52] We don't really, I have not done so.

[22:55] And I think that the reason that I didn't look at it from that direction

[22:58] is I don't want them building a position that I want to be able to say,

[23:02] here's what we're looking for and it kind of looking at it from the stance of we're not

[23:06] putting any outside influence on archer it is a but this look at everybody around look

[23:12] what's out there and then great it from there.

[23:15] I feel like we put a lot of trust in there like when they come back with us with something

[23:21] I mean they're the experts I think that's why we hired them to do that but also.

[23:26] And we do because they look at all of the surrounding communities they look throughout

[23:30] the area. They look in the state of Ohio. They look, you know, they kind of do a, they've got detailed

[23:35] searches that they do that cover, you know, anything that we could try to do on our side

[23:42] and that additional information on that. So I wouldn't want to try to say, I want it to be at

[23:47] X$ amount because yes, they could easily come back and say, this is a grade, this position because

[23:53] you said so. But it doesn't allow me to say, you know, this was independently scored by an outside

[23:58] agency and this is where they are and this is why we're in this pay range.

[24:04] So be you anticipate because I know we're getting or real I would say we're in budget

[24:10] season right we're preparing so would you anticipate this role being in the

[24:15] budget for next year as well what you're planning is for this department.

[24:20] I believe that we could even end up hiring this year if necessary because without

[24:23] Sam we have had a you know some not spent on that personal side or personnel

[24:28] side of the budget as well so some Sam spent out for a month now and by the time

[24:33] this kid would get hired and be you know two two and a half three months

[24:37] before of her being out which would allow for the extra to be but within the

[24:43] budget of mom it's the most likely this is the salary role so you

[24:53] wouldn't

[24:53] There would be no overtime.

[24:55] There would be no overtime.

[25:01] Yeah, the higher the nice thing about doing with the attorney's side,

[25:03] you get into the exact side of things where it's a, you know,

[25:06] the salary position and the exempt.

[25:08] It's a higher level so it's not the hourly and we don't want to have any overtime

[25:11] associated with that for meetings.

[25:15] But

[25:21] I was able to give numbers wise and survey and I'll provide you some more

[25:25] information on that side.

[25:27] You know, the, what I will say is any survey of the areas doesn't account for outside

[25:31] council usage in that. So I will take a look around and see what I can find across the board.

[25:39] Yes, see what's happening. I mean, I don't know if you come back and tell us, hey, we'd be the

[25:49] first of suburban jurisdictions to have a deputy's, what do you call it? The system order.

[25:56] I know it's something we need to know. We may say we need that because we got some things

[26:02] ago on time. It's just one factor, etc.

[26:12] Again, at the end of the day, you know, your judgment

[26:17] recommendation may be the most important. Well, we have a, well, you could maybe, I'll

[26:23] ask this question, we have a unique, we might have a unique situation here because I feel

[26:27] like you're a role, you're, you cover the courts as well, too, technically, and they're

[26:33] don't you? I mean, the isn't a prosecutor under the law.

[26:37] Prosecutor is in the law department as well. So, the law department is the civil

[26:40] side and the criminal side. So, the city prosecutor is actually, you know, if you were

[26:44] look at it true, Levi's code would be an assistant law director on that side. And

[26:49] then we have an assistant prosecutor there. We call the municipal prosecutors just

[26:53] because that's what it is called within our code. But it'd be the same area there, but

[26:58] they have the supervisor and capacity and then we would have the other assistant

[27:02] and moderate actor, which would be Melissa,

[27:04] if we were going to my revised code terms.

[27:07] So basically any attorney that comes through

[27:08] would be considered an assisted moderate actor

[27:11] going through, it's like the attorney general

[27:13] having the attorney general that I got their deputy AGs

[27:17] and then you're an assistant AG.

[27:20] They have different associate assistant,

[27:23] senior assistant, prince call assistant,

[27:25] but they're all the assistants in the fact that,

[27:27] they're not the person doing it, but they are an assistant too.

[27:30] You know, I guess they ask that because that every municipality has a, I imagine their

[27:36] charters are in set up the same way as ours and they would not have everyone as a court.

[27:40] Well, right?

[27:40] Yeah, not everybody does have a municipal court.

[27:43] And if you don't have a municipal court, you wouldn't have a city prosecutor.

[27:46] You might be hiring outside much like Northwood and Rossford do here where they have different

[27:53] firms that cover or their own, like Northwood's law director covers their prosecutor,

[27:57] the prosecutorial side for the one day or so that they come in for it.

[28:05] Do you handle, do you handle anything over there at all?

[28:09] I mean, that might definitely cross rapid-tour,

[28:12] not a civil side of things, or?

[28:13] Not as often, okay.

[28:15] We don't do the civil, we don't cover the civil court side of the court there,

[28:20] but traditionally that would be due to the fact that there's plaintiffs attorneys

[28:24] and there's defense attorneys that are working through the lawsuits on that side.

[28:27] And in general, we do take things to collections or anything else that's through the attorney

[28:34] general's office now, so we don't let them for all of our collections activities.

[28:40] There's times that I may have to file over there, traditionally, if I'm handling something

[28:46] on that side, it is working with the prosecutor to develop a new citation for something or to

[28:51] to work through something with this question through police or anything else on that side.

[29:00] This is an interesting job because it is the true general practitioner job.

[29:09] Here are 20 different things throughout the day and you might be working on 10, 12 different

[29:14] kinds of law.

[29:16] There's a benefit of doing, I do this and this is what I do and this is how I do well.

[29:22] And so it is a little bit of, you know, is the benefit of having somebody else growing in that area as well and knowing what's happening, how things are moving forward and being able to delegate a little bit of actual work versus, you know, I need some legal research, I need to do, you know, this that or the other thing would be extremely beneficial.

[29:54] You have a timeline number one we make, get that back marcher, I don't know, I'm thinking relatively soon, okay?

[30:00] You know, they should be back within a couple of weeks. And what's your plan as far as, like, potential legislation, or something to go for council? Yeah, they would go for council, but it's a discussion point for this committee, you know, if it's something you wanted to come back to. I mean, your timeline on that. Are you anticipating it's going to council like two weeks or after many meetings? If there weren't any questions today, I would ask for it to be moved to council. But it sounds like there are some questions.

[30:29] there are some things that you'd like to discuss a little bit further. So I'm wrong

[30:32] and fine with moving this to a, sorry, Amber. She's doing the clerical

[30:38] calcities. I'm telling you this one out. I'm more than fine with moving this

[30:42] towards if we want to have another discussion when it comes up. We are going to be

[30:47] working towards the other side as, like I said, its budget season. So this might

[30:51] be something that is included in the budget and then we have to work towards

[30:55] adjusting if it's not something to move forward.

[30:58] But I think it's very, sorry.

[31:00] Why is this guy?

[31:01] It sounds like he might, if it's ready to go to council

[31:04] for legislation, the first meeting in November.

[31:08] Well, it would be if it were ready to go,

[31:11] if we met again for the personnel committee

[31:13] to discuss another time, it would be moving to council

[31:16] the first meeting in November.

[31:18] If it's, you know, go ahead and move on forward,

[31:20] it would be the first meeting in October,

[31:22] October, or mid-October whenever we got the next batch of marcher.

[31:26] And the legislation would look like every other piece of the, you know, 2, 6, 6, 15,

[31:31] 1, 8, which is that adding a yellow line in the, that's not hard.

[31:39] I think I said, I think you probably heard with the committees, I guess, asking some information

[31:46] that would be, you know, I feel like it would keep communicating with that with us. I mean,

[31:52] if you do have some draft legislation and the answers are provided in the committee

[31:57] in the meantime, we can even talk a lot about it at council as well, but just, hopefully

[32:03] you understand, we want to hear, we want some feedback a little bit on that position.

[32:07] Absolutely.

[32:09] Well, so I will hold together some more information for you and have been provided via email

[32:16] But I will if we want to have it on set it for the next personnel committee, we can absolutely do so.

[32:24] The work?

[32:28] Anything else, sir?

[32:31] No.

[32:32] Other business?

[32:34] I didn't have one thing.

[32:35] I'm putting it all on the spot.

[32:37] But do we have any anticipations?

[32:39] If we get into the next year or any growth in any other departments,

[32:43] that we might want to anticipate?

[32:45] Yeah, we are finishing up our conversations on a budget with the remaining departments

[32:54] on Thursday and then Joe, Amber, and Kayla and I are going to meet and kind of weed

[33:01] through that and the other have been other departments that are asking for additional

[33:07] people, you know, which we think there are some needs, other places, these are all to help

[33:13] put timidies, line level staff for the most part, but so then we're going to meet with

[33:21] the mayor next week to talk through that so we can get that to out to council in the near

[33:27] future as far as what additional positions are in request. Obviously we have to live within

[33:33] what our projected revenues are, so we're not going to be able to cover all those positions

[33:39] but we do hope to get some of those covers so we can get some people up to where they need to be

[33:45] because we're probably 10 to 15 years behind on where we should be staffing wise.

[33:56] Anything else? No.

[33:58] All right, that's an awesome one, so consider yourselves a gentleman.

[34:02] Right, you call it.

Personnel Committee

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