[0:13] All right, 7 o'clock. I'll call to the meeting. We have four or five members. Let's rise for the pledge of allegiance, public on the silence. A pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

[0:29] one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

[0:42] Thank you

[0:43] maybe seated.

[0:47] Start off tonight. Previous meeting minutes. Sherry circulated the

[0:51] July 21st, 18 minutes. I reviewed and did not see anything that he was

[0:55] corrected and anyone else.

[1:00] Second. I've got approval in a second. All those in

[1:03] favor vote on. The post. Let the record show we put those minutes five zero. Go to

[1:10] town staff reports, Jason, I got a few things here in front of me.

[1:14] I'm going to be able to roll through those and you give updates.

[1:17] Yeah, that's fine.

[1:18] Okay, I've got to demo you regarding any permutation of this board.

[1:21] Just a resignant.

[1:22] Just a resignant?

[1:23] No, no.

[1:24] You already did that, but they sent a different copy.

[1:27] Okay.

[1:28] The number of signatures are on.

[1:29] They want me to have your resignant.

[1:30] Okay.

[1:31] You don't have to fill that one.

[1:32] Didn't know if this was a new one for the year.

[1:34] No, that's not.

[1:35] Thank you for clarifying.

[1:36] Yeah.

[1:37] All right.

[1:39] Well, if that one doesn't number one through real quick.

[1:44] We've got a sell some property.

[1:49] Yes, the sale of the old water plant property.

[1:52] We've had a couple different officers.

[1:56] And then the realtor had a meeting to show it.

[2:01] And while she got out of her car and was showing it,

[2:04] there were two other people looking at it.

[2:06] So the person that she was there to show it to you said there's no point showing any more

[2:10] I'll go full price.

[2:13] And there was no haggling the other people got in the car on the left and we accepted a full

[2:19] price offer 288.

[2:22] Fantastic, so it will be gone as of Thursday.

[2:26] That's great.

[2:28] So what I have here in front of us tonight is a resolution approving the sale of the Retire

[2:32] of water plant at 4910 East Highway 136. This is the town is negotiating the

[2:39] sale of the property for a purchase price for the property of 288,000 subject to

[2:44] the deduction from the purchase price of customary closing costs payable by

[2:48] the town and the broker commission in the amount of $7,200 shareable or resolution

[2:53] number before this.

[2:59] So this will be resolution number 2026-16. We execute the

[3:04] I believe that resolution is to give me the consent to close it.

[3:12] Yes.

[3:12] It would be an authorization would be you or myself to service,

[3:16] authorize and execute and close in the property.

[3:21] So council, any questions about the resolution?

[3:26] Good resolution.

[3:27] My second.

[3:28] Okay.

[3:28] I got a motion to approve resolution by Bill's Larry seconds it.

[3:33] Always in favor vote aye.

[3:34] Aye.

[3:34] Alright, those pose. Let the record show me for this 5-0 40

[3:43] ,000 acre.

[3:44] That's it. That's very good.

[3:47] How many acres of it?

[3:49] Six, a little over six.

[3:50] You have to point six to one.

[3:52] Yeah, that's great.

[3:53] Yeah, there it is.

[3:54] Alright.

[3:55] Local gentlemen.

[3:56] Yeah.

[3:57] You're going to build two homes on it for a dollar.

[4:01] On the money.

[4:02] That's planned.

[4:06] And then I had a lot of luck with it and that's very stuff for me.

[4:10] Non-town.

[4:16] We've got to go to the county, let's try it, wash our hands of it.

[4:22] Council also here tonight, we've got a resolution around the release of town easement rights,

[4:27] a part of our grain easement of sewers and water mains, and our park that was recorded in December 12th and 1997.

[4:33] Jim, you might want to give a little bit more insight if not Jason can.

[4:37] Jason might have to help me out.

[4:39] I don't have the lot of, there was an easement given when the, I believe it's when the property was owned by

[4:46] Mac McNaught, I don't know if you remember, he was the president of Denison Parking and

[4:52] he was a big one west or a rooted guy, smart guy. So, Carol Clark granted him an easement

[5:01] early on and his development of that and then nothing really happened with the easement,

[5:07] We sold the property to Arc Park LLC candycares and then there was plated and the plated

[5:15] dedicates right away in utility units so this is what's really just kind of really

[5:22] encumbers in the wrong ways so there's already used ones built into the plated probably

[5:28] we should have done this when we did the plated yeah they were just more of a larger blanket

[5:36] at the original.

[5:40] Does that tie your hands any with the easement is actually, well, not all of it, but most of it is what is underneath the parking lot on the south side of the building.

[5:55] Our pipe is still in the dirt in its own easement protected. I would just think of the option that I have in another.

[6:03] We've still got it like a thank you for it.

[6:11] And you have used it in the same size of the plot.

[6:14] I kind of look close, but I

[6:18] just need to keep all the

[6:19] adoptions open and you've talked about it.

[6:22] Sure.

[6:22] The head helps.

[6:24] I've been in the directions.

[6:26] My location.

[6:36] Any other questions from Council?

[6:40] If not, this would be Resolution 17, correct, Sherry?

[6:42] Yes.

[6:45] Council, I'd make the motion be approved.

[6:47] Resolution number 2026-17.

[6:49] I mean, releasing the easement rights, the grant of easements for certain water

[6:54] maids in our park recorded in December 12, 1997, that's written.

[7:00] Got a second for Bill.

[7:02] All those in favor, vote out.

[7:03] Hi.

[7:03] All right.

[7:04] Those folks.

[7:05] Let the record show we prove this five, zero.

[7:09] Jason, what else do you have for us this evening?

[7:10] All right.

[7:11] I'm sure you got to last one for me.

[7:13] OK.

[7:17] Scotty, anything else to add in?

[7:18] Slide your report.

[7:19] In other words, the code I sent for the cameras we had talked about last meeting got

[7:28] that back from the company so basically what it is, the cameras are sold for $250 a year, you sent it for a year contract and then it's about $1,000 for installation of the 10,000,000 to 10,000,000 to 50,000 for a three year contract.

[7:45] Chief, we're going to have night out sometime in the latter part of September or October.

[7:55] That's the first Tuesday of October.

[7:59] You said 10, 7, 50 for three years?

[8:02] Yes.

[8:05] Are we affected by the recent hub hub?

[8:09] We have not been.

[8:12] They said that they were flocks were changing their terms.

[8:16] Oh, yeah, they're, they're doing a lot of, they're doing, that's, that's, that's to come,

[8:23] that's yet to be done yet, but yeah, it'll, it'll be, I thought they already actually

[8:31] underlined. Not yet now. I think it's got a good line, Dave, I forget what it was. It's a future date,

[8:37] not too far off. Yeah, so there's some things coming to end of the month, some things coming in

[8:49] I'm not very sympathetic to these.

[8:53] No, it really does.

[8:55] We don't do a lot of sharing.

[8:58] A lot of has to do with sharing of the information

[9:00] across the country.

[9:02] We don't do.

[9:03] We have very little of that.

[9:05] I did hit Pearl, so I'm apparently.

[9:09] So, yeah, a lot of the change will be administrative stuff to where we can monitor usage more and the internal type things.

[9:21] That's what's going to be a lot of the changes that

[9:31] we're talking about camera itself.

[9:34] If that has nothing to do with license plate reading whatsoever, and it doesn't have a capability as a simply just let's say a company

[9:42] It's the same one cameras that we have

[10:03] And this is the same plus new at newly added correct Scott. I'm sorry. This is the same dark same set up and then we're newly added

[10:12] Yeah, it's the same cameras that we've put up in the park, it's just having one to get

[10:19] intersection there, to the light.

[10:21] Yeah, if it's true.

[10:25] So we're going to move along at.

[10:27] We've had this conversation.

[10:30] Well, I decided to get in here for their car.

[10:34] Never mind.

[10:35] It's our place.

[10:37] It's our place.

[10:38] And

[10:43] when we ask, do a different location in the park?

[10:45] Council

[10:48] and other questions pertaining to this quote,

[10:58] that's going to be my next question.

[11:01] Funding source?

[11:02] Well, we've discussed the last meeting.

[11:05] Jason had some VH funds, or my question was in VH.

[11:10] Yeah.

[11:11] I don't know if I got the answer, but that was my question.

[11:14] We talked about unrestricted in VH.

[11:18] That would

[11:22] be the only way that we would be able to do this.

[11:25] We don't have anything in there.

[11:27] And this is reoccurring every three years or is it an annual payment?

[11:34] So, no, the 10-750 would be for three years, I believe.

[11:40] And then it'd be 3250.

[11:42] So we had to allocate out under strict to 3250 every year.

[11:47] 10,000 to start with.

[11:49] After three years, 3250.

[11:53] Do you remember that?

[11:55] Well, what we're going to do is

[11:59] We're going to do this right now because I'm assuming based off this conversation nobody

[12:03] followed up with our advisors on this piece, so I'm going to send him an email right now

[12:10] and ask him if we can use it's potential to use NVH.

[12:15] For intersection surveillance, so we call it.

[12:23] We should get that answer first.

[12:41] We do on Friday.

[12:49] Okay.

[12:49] Okay, let's get an answer on this before

[12:55] we approve.

[13:12] Can Sherry and Scott have you both

[13:14] to see seat on this as well?

[13:16] Okay.

[13:19] We all get an answer.

[13:20] Okay.

[13:22] What else got forced gotten?

[13:23] Um, other than the, um,

[13:27] or is that like nothing else?

[13:29] Okay.

[13:36] Mm-hmm.

[13:36] I got it.

[13:37] Yeah, I got it.

[13:38] That's where it sounded to you.

[13:43] Yeah.

[13:44] That's why I was digging in my phone.

[13:45] It's like I saw that quote.

[13:46] So I did dig through and find it.

[13:49] That's all right.

[13:50] Sorry, I didn't get a copy.

[13:53] All right.

[13:55] Sherry, what are you up for?

[13:56] I don't know if it'll be 30, 60, 90 day lists.

[14:01] I mean, we have nobody in the 90s.

[14:03] They're all shut off.

[14:04] They're just on three shut off from June, July, and August.

[14:11] They've been off the water.

[14:14] So now my next tackle is the 60-day call.

[14:18] And there's a few that I can really concern about that are getting up there.

[14:22] But can I ask a quick question?

[14:25] I know we only look at account numbers, but can you tell me are these three residential?

[14:32] Well, one is commercial.

[14:34] One is commercial.

[14:35] Okay.

[14:35] And the other one is, are you talking about the $1200 one?

[14:39] Well, I'm just talking about all of them.

[14:41] We've got one that's been off since June.

[14:43] Oh, no, those are all three residential.

[14:45] All three are residential.

[14:50] But the other one, one of them has been off before, for six months.

[14:55] I don't know.

[14:56] Since June, with no water, how has the health of our level?

[15:00] It's what I would be, it's like at this point, I would feel like the health part of these would be engaged, because it's not, this is not a matter of like they've been like a week or so. No, it's too much. Yeah, we're talking two months. And I think they have a relative list of close by, maybe they're going out there showering some, I don't know, but they did it before for six months. Yeah.

[15:23] So the two big accounts, well, no, that was already all. One of those.

[15:30] $1,300. That was a leak. I have a leak, an ongoing leak and they are fixing it. So the other two

[15:37] big accounts for the 30 days. One is a business, the one is a residential.

[15:45] And there's one residential

[15:46] is always high. I don't know what he does, but it's high.

[15:54] Well, let's start doing another

[15:56] I'm not sure.

[15:56] I'm going to shut off.

[15:57] Yeah, I'm going to start by.

[15:59] Anything else for sharing?

[16:03] I do.

[16:06] April sent over, building and planning department for Miprefour.

[16:11] They had 20.

[16:18] Let's see here.

[16:19] A lot of this is going to be here.

[16:24] had a new house at 318,000 and 34 had an accessory structure commercial permits 4,420,000

[16:39] commercial building remodel with 20,000 fencing and then totaling $52,773 some other miscellaneous

[16:51] permits $35,900, assigned for $500, and then a swimming pool $103,000, so totally

[17:01] down to $495, excuse me, $499,000,

[17:08] and then with its inspection-wise, Shane went out,

[17:12] and we completed 51 inspections during the last month.

[17:31] I feel like I need to back up to the last five or the previous a second, go for it.

[17:37] To those multiple months of shuttle, what's the procedure there, Jim?

[17:45] I mean, three or four people said why is the board of health not know this, but do we get

[17:50] to 60 days and then we call the board of health and say go to a wellness chair?

[17:54] I mean, there's no exact procedure.

[17:56] I think you can call the board of health.

[17:58] I don't think it's going to be a problem.

[18:05] We don't have a team's at the health problem.

[18:08] I don't feel like.

[18:11] I don't think we have anything in our room.

[18:13] There's no way that no.

[18:15] I mean, it's not my deal to say.

[18:17] You just say at least hit the board of health.

[18:19] I don't we don't know anything but it's been three months

[18:22] and then let them make the decision.

[18:24] Care.

[18:25] I'm at the county where they have a serious district

[18:28] and they don't have water, so the cans are on the water.

[18:32] They go out and flood clean out.

[18:34] I'm aware of that.

[18:35] Yes, that's the eight out of the apartment walls.

[18:37] But I know for a fact, well, I don't know these people,

[18:41] but I have seen in the past.

[18:42] I have watched more bottled water go in to a house

[18:45] that I knew was shut off.

[18:47] Probably more bottled water per month than

[18:49] what their water bill would cost.

[18:51] And they were gallon jugs.

[18:53] And the answer that I got when I asked the question was,

[18:55] we're using it to flush our toilet.

[18:57] and I'm like, well, why would you just pay your bill?

[19:00] Why are you buying a $3 down the water?

[19:05] Right.

[19:06] So I mean, if they're still flushing, they're toilet.

[19:09] Boarding up may not do any matter.

[19:11] Right, I mean.

[19:15] Yeah, must not take a chance.

[19:16] I don't think we're equipped knowledgeable

[19:20] or even really in that business of deciding

[19:23] what's the board of health problem.

[19:25] That's my concern.

[19:26] We're not in that business.

[19:27] so you just call them and you think it's potentially a problem.

[19:33] Does that still hurt in public?

[19:37] So I don't know what we do.

[19:38] We know even though that.

[19:38] I don't think so.

[19:40] I don't know what I'm thinking of.

[19:43] There wasn't a grandchild there a few years ago, but I don't know if she's still there.

[19:49] I would say that if we have a shut off for more than 30 days,

[19:54] it probably ought to be just sending a notice at that point.

[19:58] Because the thing is you don't want to do it every time you're shutting off,

[20:01] We need to have a little bit of time because people have the ability to come in to pay, but I think probably in 30 days if you can

[20:07] send a call, this make a call or give them an address, and at least at that point we've done

[20:14] what we feel is due diligence if anything. I better mean I wouldn't do it any sooner than that, and the

[20:21] way that it's a one time, because if they wanted to go longer and help part of them come out, at least we can say that

[20:27] on our conscience we've contacted. So, is there nothing?

[20:34] I mean, if there's obvious issues, then, you know, the house, you might send a long

[20:42] portion of it to a welfare check and not see, because it could be crime committed in

[20:51] that business.

[21:11] What's our authority on the electric, I don't know if it's going to water this in X,

[21:16] do we turn the lights off?

[21:18] Why don't we move to that?

[21:21] I believe we do.

[21:22] I mean, some of these don't have our electric.

[21:27] Yeah, I'm going to be in the past shelf, electric, when it's 12-3 hot out too, and they

[21:31] pay right right now.

[21:33] But this thing only I don't think can do that.

[21:36] I'm not, I'm not, I'm making a general question I guess, but I don't need to do it too much.

[21:42] I think you can.

[21:44] Can we do that in 90 degrees outside?

[21:48] I can't at the wintertime.

[21:49] But can you do that in the summer?

[21:50] There's a heap when two.

[21:51] Jim, you said that there isn't.

[21:52] There isn't.

[21:54] trying to figure out what the time frame was.

[21:57] It's new.

[21:58] It is.

[21:59] I'm going to try to see if I can find it.

[22:00] I'm going to try to find it.

[22:01] That's what I don't want to shut down the electric.

[22:05] I get it.

[22:07] But when we decided we'd run the bank,

[22:11] I'm sure it would

[22:17] be more of a median

[22:17] in terms of second chances.

[22:20] Yeah.

[22:21] All right.

[22:21] This is the first time for that house, either.

[22:27] Premium, actually.

[22:29] I remember you, Jason, said, if I'm wearing a favorite, I'm going to be able to pay it right

[22:38] away.

[22:40] The

[22:42] House and the Rule of Act 2002 is

[22:49] I'm not reading, I'm not reading, I'm not reading

[22:50] this summer here.

[22:54] I just can make prohibiting electric shutoffs within 48 hours of the National Weather Service

[23:00] forecast and heat in the next of 95 degrees tram height or higher. And that potential

[23:08] applies between June 1 and September 23.

[23:18] And the other one goes in effect November.

[23:20] So you got one month? Basically. Yeah. And then you get a couple of months

[23:24] in the spring. Yeah. Yeah. But that was one of the reasons

[23:28] they put this in because there was shut off during the hot weather. And they had

[23:33] and then come in and change that, so.

[23:38] Yeah.

[23:39] There's lots of data that he'd indexed and he's going to be 95.

[23:42] Coming up.

[23:43] Yeah.

[23:44] Yeah.

[23:44] Like, for example, this next week, yeah.

[23:50] Yeah, we should, we would have an opportunity

[23:52] if we wanted to go through through the electric.

[23:54] And what happens if they're honest?

[23:56] We've got to be on the machine and we'll be sure they're electrical.

[24:02] The sound's horrible, but with it is that they are,

[24:05] We don't know what's happening on the inside of the firewalls.

[24:10] I agree with you like when you have medical devices and stuff, I understand that piece.

[24:16] Actually, do you have a list of medicals?

[24:18] We do.

[24:19] That's for generators in case they do lose power.

[24:23] To me, that would be, if you had to have that empty machine that bad, you should have a

[24:28] letter down on when the fire goes out, you should be on the generator list.

[24:31] I agree.

[24:32] I think for this to apply, they have to be a member,

[24:35] they have to participate and be approved by the Lightheap Program.

[24:45] So it's not a blanket, parents?

[24:47] No.

[24:47] I'll give this more light, too, right?

[24:50] Yup.

[24:54] Yup.

[24:54] Well, I think we should probably move forward with some electrical

[24:57] and some of these, where we can, next week,

[25:00] why it's cooler, maybe that'll generate some buzz.

[25:03] And also with it, if people are needing it,

[25:05] they can get owner-generated, let's do.

[25:08] That's another way to provide them protection, so I'm

[25:15] sure you got anything else for us.

[25:20] Scott Smith's an over-and-update.

[25:21] He's been spending a lot of focus here recently, helping out with the parks department on getting their

[25:27] update completed regarding park reservations and calendars as well, so I've been getting updates there.

[25:40] moving into town committee reports, BCA did not meet regarding fire board

[25:44] bill sent over the reports, building anything most room to add.

[25:50] Parts and

[25:50] wrecks sent over their reports. Anything else you want to add?

[26:00] Please

[26:00] commission anything to add from the office meeting? No. All other boards and

[26:06] commissions did not meet so we'll turn to Eric. I spent a lot of time this past month

[26:13] looking at flows to the treatment plant and listings and how to open that sort

[26:18] everything and have a pretty good idea

[26:21] where the infiltration is coming from

[26:22] and I'm going to talk to Jason about

[26:24] and sometimes maybe this fall

[26:27] that we're going to do in some of my planning.

[26:32] Starting probably next month,

[26:33] get working on the community crossings.

[26:37] Application is still on the silver.

[26:41] Been working on the low pressure

[26:43] for us mainly for the property out west

[26:46] of the holes in C&J

[26:49] and trying to get approval of our law that they're wrapped up, and if that's a

[26:54] misuse, they're rectified now, so it should be open I would say within the next two

[27:01] weeks, two and a half weeks.

[27:08] A few questions for Eric,

[27:11] not really appreciate the updates. All right let's move

[27:15] to the old business. Trash and sanitation regulator were in the case of the

[27:18] no figures on the table.

[27:25] All right, move into administrative subdivision ordinance recommendation

[27:28] from the APC. We reviewed, started reviewing this last month. We had some questions about

[27:34] some of the content within the administrative subdivision. Aaron's here tonight to help kind

[27:40] of discuss some of that through the application process. I want to go over a little bit of

[27:46] how some of that information is being added into the application?

[27:49] Yeah, so within the application, I would work on when you guys reviewed it at the last

[27:56] meeting. There were some questions about the legal description and some of the stuff

[28:04] that would be actually handled within the application itself. So now they have an application

[28:10] or with your approval, we'll have an application to follow.

[28:14] And it's step one, two, three, four.

[28:16] And it tells us everything that they need to present to us

[28:20] and the process of going about choosing

[28:22] the administrative sub-division.

[28:25] I don't want to say it.

[28:26] Did you guys get that printed?

[28:27] Yes, yes.

[28:29] I don't have it in my stack.

[28:31] I don't have it in the original.

[28:33] I have the original ordinance, but I don't have the application.

[28:38] I did not print the application because I did it last week or last month or it's Friday.

[28:43] You would not last month?

[28:45] This is revised.

[28:46] Yeah.

[28:46] I just sent it out.

[28:48] I did not print it again.

[28:50] Last.

[28:51] I think it was.

[28:55] Yeah, you just sent it out last week or the week before?

[28:58] Yes.

[29:00] I have to take it for you now.

[29:02] No, I could have done all the site plan and all the information.

[29:06] Yes.

[29:06] Yes, it has everything with our normal application process when somebody does something like a minor subdivision or major plots, subdivision, it would fall the same process

[29:16] except it's not going to be reviewed by the agency. How about I give it back to you to get the hiring.

[29:21] You know your changes faster and I will be able to think about it.

[29:25] So basically, the applicant will fill out this application,

[29:30] they'll come in and they'll meet with me and, or Jason,

[29:34] and we'll go over the application

[29:35] and their fault process on why they want to stop the issue.

[29:40] We'll go through there.

[29:41] We'll tell them all their fees.

[29:43] And then they'll get started gathering all their information.

[29:46] They'll go through the steps of getting their aerial location

[29:50] map.

[29:50] They'll get us any electronic drawings.

[29:53] to also be the site plan or legal description for us.

[30:00] And then they'll submit it back to us, and we'll review. If they meet all the requirements,

[30:06] or if they meet the applicable actions, which are the merging of the common ownership lots,

[30:13] the splitting a lot, and merging its pieces with two or more adjacent lots, the adjusting

[30:17] the law lines, subdividing the duplex lot, creating non-developable land for utilities and

[30:23] infrastructure and a lot of easement. If they meet one of those, then they'll be eligible

[30:29] to go through the process and then we'll just handle it in-house. There'll be a nominal,

[30:36] I guess not nominal, but there'll be a small fee, which is a lot less than what we would

[30:41] charge for like a minor or major subdivision. And the process takes a lot less time.

[30:49] So, in the past, in my, I would say, within the last year that I've been here, this could

[30:57] have saved us probably a handful of times, and I know there's a couple of things that

[31:04] will be coming into my office that this will also handle.

[31:10] So the process with this is once it has approved, I will report to the ABC at the next scheduled

[31:17] me and let them know what we've heard,

[31:28] but this will be a change in the UDL.

[31:30] Right.

[31:31] And so with this as well, I think it'd be important to know is that one thing I would suggest

[31:35] is on this ordinance, Exhibit A gives a summary of like more of the, I would consider this

[31:42] like the Exhibit A is the definitions, the Exhibit A would be what goes into the UDL, correct.

[31:48] So it's the definitions, but however though with the ordinance, we probably need to amend

[31:52] the ordinance to also note exhibit B because exhibit B is the actual application that's utilized

[31:58] for these necessary items and with it as well as that that helps address some of the common

[32:04] concerns that we brought up during last month's meeting. So I would like to actually include that

[32:09] application as exhibit B in this ordinance so we have them married together. I think it would be the

[32:16] the best. I don't want to do that. I had it. I was very impressed, very close for you,

[32:24] but all close. Yeah. Criteria, the application. The only

[32:32] one that I really still have a hard

[32:34] burden with is

[32:45] easements,

[32:49] number six, section D, number six.

[32:58] That was modifying a flat

[33:00] that an easement were agreed to by all the best of parties.

[33:05] Does that include the utility?

[33:08] It could be any easement.

[33:12] So if we wanted to shrink our utility easement or grow our utility easement,

[33:16] we could do that and do something like that.

[33:18] Like I said, it's going to have to get approved by myself.

[33:22] And I'll rip you things with Jason.

[33:24] So if it's not a good idea, then we're not going to sign off on it.

[33:30] I ran into a situation a few years ago in Indianapolis, and there was a treatment that was going to be vacated, and I had requested a favor of a big range.

[33:43] I ran as well, ready to go, parties, agreed to it, and there was a little coaxial cable from AT&T in that evening, because it was going to be until the evening, and prevented us from continuing on.

[34:01] And if it was a rather drawn out, it was a bit of a proposition to

[34:09] give it to that kind of situation.

[34:11] So was it a joint easement?

[34:14] It was a drainage and utility easement because of what it was titled.

[34:18] And on the other side of that easement, we had a agreement with that subdivision

[34:23] a little commercial subdivision.

[34:27] So it was a small fire?

[34:29] Yeah.

[34:29] Yeah, nobody knew that the table was empty, easement, still dedicated as a utility of

[34:38] range.

[34:38] The parties on both sides were in agreement as a range infrastructure being deployed into

[34:45] the Earth.

[34:48] I just wanted to do an AT&T transfer out of the co-active table.

[34:58] I was several months away from the project.

[35:06] That's all.

[35:08] Why don't we, well let me ask you this, Gary.

[35:10] It just would have been beneficial then at that point in that particular instance to have

[35:17] like a utility locator to come up to.

[35:20] Sure.

[35:20] They want to launch it there.

[35:22] So in a situation like this, we could potentially

[35:24] have a utility locator come out and complete an assessment

[35:30] on our easements to resolve issues like that,

[35:34] that are potentially even any easement.

[35:36] We may know of our utilities.

[35:39] But with it, is that what if there's something there

[35:41] that we're not aware of?

[35:42] And I'll take it one step farther.

[35:44] We don't know the utilities plans.

[35:46] That's true. I have to be a TV asker or one of them. Sure.

[35:52] That may be counting on distribution and infrastructure.

[35:55] The one in there is my shirt.

[35:56] So I would ask that we give a sign off from any participant of any

[36:05] whether current or future.

[36:08] That they agree with vacation.

[36:10] put

[36:16] that in the application, like it's a language, that the sign orders.

[36:22] My question would be,

[36:27] if it's our easement, even if we vacated what would have been our

[36:33] during the easement, wouldn't it be their responsibility to secure their own easement?

[36:40] Well, you see what I'm saying?

[36:42] Yeah.

[36:43] It's not our job to protect an easement for another utility.

[36:50] Well, a lot of times a drainage and utility is established when the subdivision is established.

[36:58] And so...

[36:59] But then utilities come thereafter.

[37:05] Yes, everybody else.

[37:07] So the easements are quicker stuff in those easements.

[37:11] Let's say, Randy and I have a piece of property.

[37:13] There's an easement for him.

[37:16] But we don't want it.

[37:18] We don't want it.

[37:23] And we vacate that easement and it's been a right of TDS and they've got an infrastructure

[37:31] plan to come down through there with fiber.

[37:35] They have to let us know that's in their plans and we have to acknowledge that before

[37:41] we can say, yes, they can vacate that easement.

[37:45] So I guess I have another question for Jim when that easement is recorded

[37:52] Who's the ownership of it? Well, there's two kinds there's two primary kinds of easements because if you're not the sole owner

[37:59] We wouldn't have the right to vacate

[38:01] So it's two kinds of easements. There's ones that are dedicated as part of a plot

[38:11] can persons rely upon that dedication because the plan becomes a matter of record

[38:16] as recorded and as it is, and then there's standalone easement documents that are one party

[38:24] created, another party in an easement, either as part of a sale transaction or otherwise,

[38:30] and those are a matter of record and the town can't extinguish those.

[38:36] That's what I don't think, and why is it even in that?

[38:39] We can't extinguish their rights.

[38:42] That would be up to the proximal owner.

[38:44] So basically number six needs stripping.

[38:46] That's what I think, all right.

[38:47] Yeah, I don't think we can extinguish

[38:49] so much easement rights.

[38:51] And we should be very careful about granting release

[38:55] of any of our easements.

[38:57] Correct.

[38:59] I think the only thing we could do

[39:00] is we could release easements that are solely ours.

[39:03] But most of those, most subdivisions, the utility

[39:07] and the easements are, you know, I don't know how big they are, but they're big enough

[39:13] for those multiple utilities.

[39:16] I mean, a lot of times you'll have to, everybody's pipes will go through the same 25 feet.

[39:22] Right.

[39:23] Yeah, I agree with the idea.

[39:24] We should probably strike six from it.

[39:27] Yeah.

[39:29] There's no question.

[39:31] So the yeast that runs across what's known as the Serbian state, and then it goes to the dominant state, which is the person who might be using that.

[39:43] And that's more for an ingress, egress, kind of.

[39:47] I mean, it should be a procedure like we just saw with the art part.

[39:54] Instead of this, it should be that process.

[39:56] And for dedicated ones, as part of a plan, you have to fakeate those things.

[40:04] So you got to go through a 36, 7, 4, 12, or 13, something like that.

[40:10] If I had filed a petition, I have a public hearing, this is a litigation.

[40:14] It should be an unusual event to hear what you're using.

[40:27] I think we can do something out of trouble if we strike it.

[40:30] So I say we present the administrative subdivision ordinance

[40:33] as we're in striking number six from the list.

[40:37] I think it makes it easier.

[40:39] Sheriff, we need to wait at number four and head in to be.

[40:42] I thought we were going to make sure we signed it.

[40:44] This didn't have it noted, so I wanted to make sure.

[40:46] Oh, nine.

[40:47] Okay.

[40:48] Okay.

[40:51] So council, we'll make the motion.

[40:53] I'll make the motion to approve ordinance number 202609

[40:57] with the, which is an ordinance of many,

[40:59] the unified development ordinance for county,

[41:01] this girl for administrative,

[41:03] for any administrative subdivisions with the following edits.

[41:07] In exhibit A,

[41:11] section V, item six,

[41:13] plead at easement will be stricken from the exhibit,

[41:17] and also will be adding the exhibit V,

[41:20] which is the application for administrative subdivision

[41:23] that will be associated with the formal ordinance.

[41:28] Second.

[41:29] Got a second.

[41:30] All those in favor vote aye.

[41:32] Alright, those pose. Let the record show. We've proved this 5-0.

[41:43] Okay.

[41:45] Aaron, why are we with this? Is that do you have those feedback changes?

[41:49] Because I don't have it here in front of me. Sure.

[41:51] Do you have the feedback changes?

[41:53] I know

[41:57] we held off on them because we didn't.

[42:00] Yeah, we're saying it was last time.

[42:04] I'm going to go on into my last month's meeting as well.

[42:10] Let's see if it's in there.

[42:11] I

[42:14] think maybe two meetings ago was talked about in the discussion.

[42:22] Forgive me, I think Bill may have said he thought they were like, I agree, I thought they were like, I don't think you were disgusted.

[42:29] Okay.

[42:29] Jinger resolution, that's my recollection.

[42:36] For my message is to download it.

[42:40] Because you're right, I think it was in June.

[43:02] We'll come to that. I just wanted to see if not, I was going to have him potentially print that.

[43:05] but let me go jump on my laptop, okay.

[43:09] All right, let's move into the next item of

[43:13] the whole business, it's a interview

[43:14] of our park abamance council.

[43:17] I did work with Mr. Kiers, he did help us out

[43:21] with providing some corrective action plans.

[43:26] With that in review, we have four of those.

[43:31] And with it, I will just guy set those over, and I apologize for not sending them

[43:37] soon.

[43:39] When we last met last month, we had four properties that we were discussing about potential

[43:46] corrective action plans.

[43:48] And I will go through those in order.

[43:51] 81 west cam drive.

[43:54] With it, what we had is, is that's just a quick recap.

[43:59] In the original abatement application, it was noted as 31 jobs and it's going to be salaries

[44:10] of 2.3 million, what we have is we have 19 current jobs in an annual salary of 1.5, 1

[44:20] five hundred and six thousand five hundred and six and six. So there's a shortfall in jobs

[44:24] by 12 individuals in a wage gap of five hundred and seven thousand nine hundred and

[44:30] three dollars. This is to put this together stated that with the 81 West PM drive was a

[44:37] spec building when it completed when he applied it is a one-minute occupant which is real power

[44:44] in there. So with it is that in this it's going to be, it's not like it's vacant space.

[44:52] It's a needing to fill it. And then this particular instance, it is an individual who is

[45:00] In serving as a tenant in this space, given there's not much where he can add in jobs in a corrective action plan. They can't force an employer to be able to add more. My suggestion would be as a review with financial solutions group to see if there's any alterations that need to be made to the pavement schedule, based off the figures and employers that we have here. I haven't had chance to connect with them, but I would like to discuss with them and

[45:29] statement to September's meeting so we can get feedback from them on this particular

[45:34] instance. Any questions about 81 West Cam drive and taking next steps on this action?

[45:40] Are we lucky to have a baby on the 26th, baby on the 27th?

[45:45] Correct. Yes. No

[45:52] further action will table this one until next month so we can get some feedback

[45:55] from the 91 West came drive. There's a current shortfall of just two positions, but a

[46:06] salary shortfall wage gap of $8,9,436 to $16. This building does have vacant space and

[46:17] they're currently advertising to get tenants into these vacant spaces. In this one, I would

[46:23] recommend that we would proceed with the correct abaction plan. Honor is

[46:28] abatement for the 26 pay 27 as scheduled and with it revisited here from now

[46:35] to see if those have those current vacancies have been able to be filled for

[46:45] a

[46:45] second. I just want to make it a recommendation. We'll come back to after I read

[46:49] through them. So one on one West Cam drive this is a similar situation where they

[46:58] have vacant space right now with it is that there is 11 job shortfall and then

[47:04] with it is that there's about a $2 million wage gap with it is that one of

[47:10] the tenants Hessian's here has a lot of part time and high school students to

[47:16] help volunteer and assist so with it keeps the salary low but also has vacant

[47:21] space and a couple of sweets that are open so with that being said is that as I

[47:25] this is one of those as well, where there's a large wage gap,

[47:30] shortfall, hopefully it can be resolved or

[47:33] at least improved upon vacant spaces. So with that one,

[47:38] I'm going to suggest we go ahead and honor the

[47:41] abatement and give them a corrective action plan for the next year to resolve

[47:44] on this particular instance. Then when we get to the last one,

[47:48] it's the 301 West Camp Drive. This one

[47:52] is completely occupied by offer of campers with it is that they have 11 employees, so there's a job shortfall of 21 and then with it is that the current average annual salary.

[48:15] I went back through, I looked in Mr. Kierge, I did look over what was provided.

[48:19] I did contact offer of campers, they did state to me that with it is that their bi-weekly

[48:30] salary is at roughly around 10,000 every two weeks, that's what I was informed today.

[48:39] So there is a shortfall in it, but so there's still a shortfall in it but they still have

[48:44] the place fully occupied.

[48:46] So, in it, it's a very similar situation, like with AB1, I would suggest we talk to our

[48:53] financial advisors and particularly alter the evaporation to accommodate what the

[48:59] actuals are in that particular instance.

[49:02] So, I did talk to them on that particular piece as well.

[49:07] So, Wyndon is that, Sherry, did you bring the CF1s for tonight that we had from last month?

[49:13] on. Oh yeah. Okay. Here.

[49:22] Passes over here real quick.

[50:31] Just curious, Sherry, the staff

[50:33] you gave me are three that we approved last month. You already submitted those to the county

[50:39] auditor. I have two that you approved that I left on my desk.

[50:48] Those I put those were all

[50:49] table. No, I think we've gotten duplicates in here. I think we've got some duplicates in

[50:56] here because what we have is these four, and I've got those four, plus the others from

[51:00] last month. I just wanted to make sure these are not signed, and I know I signed the ones

[51:05] last month. So I think you just have duplicates in here. These are ones we've already, these

[51:12] addresses aligned with what we approved last month. So I'll keep those clips separately. We'll

[51:18] double check. So Councilor, I would suggest that we take the, as I noted in a minute ago

[51:25] was I reviewed, gave the review, for 81, in 81 West Cam Drive, in 301 West Cam Drive,

[51:32] I would suggest we table these until next month, until we can review the corrective action

[51:38] plan with our financial advisors to see about their thoughts and opinions on revising the

[51:42] abatement structure on those particular instances, because with it, these are tenants that, these

[51:49] are full tenants that are in there. It's not like they're vacant space where he's needing

[51:53] need to find individuals to move in and see about potentially altering those and try to

[51:59] move on this sooner rather than later so we can speak with Mr. Pierce and give him an update

[52:03] on what they're advising on. So that would be my recommendation for those two, but for

[52:08] the two to action plan where we know how vacant space and they're moving forward. I would

[52:14] I would recommend that we approve the abatement for 26 pay 27 for 91 west cam drive formally

[52:25] known as 103 east cam drive in 101 west cam drive for the schedule as noted with the

[52:31] corrective action plan that these will be reviewed for the 27 pay 28 attached year to see

[52:38] if these are corrective action plans have been adhered upon and as noted a failure to adhere

[52:44] on it and can potentially alter the abatement schedule at that point. Could give him the opportunity

[52:50] to be able to find tenants to move in. I'll second that. Okay, I got a second. All those in

[52:58] favor vote aye. Aye. Those opposed. We'll let the record show when we approve these by zero.

[53:07] Now we'll complete those here.

[53:11] I'll

[53:15] pile this up before I forget it. I get it mixed up.

[53:23] I'll get to I'll get with them hopefully this week and we can get an answer for you so okay

[53:36] Next on the list is did you get the piece? Okay, awesome.

[53:45] Yeah

[53:46] Okay

[54:03] We never really reviewed it in the council session

[54:06] Aaron, so why don't you go over with this because with it

[54:10] I know you helped calculate these fees. Yes, so I reviewed about five or six other communities and took those

[54:17] their fees into account

[54:19] versus ours and a lot of our fees were right on on the money

[54:24] There were a few though that probably needed an upgrade especially with the new rule come out that we we can't look at

[54:33] or we can't upgrade or we can't increase our fees

[54:37] unless really justified if we could support

[54:40] the actual increase behind it.

[54:43] So to get out front of that and to kind of

[54:47] estimate it for the future,

[54:49] I proposed increasing our major subdivision primary flat

[54:54] from $900 to $950, our major subdivision secondary flat

[54:59] from 900 to 1200, our minor subdivision flat from 700 to 750, our flat amendment from

[55:07] 700 to 750, we would then have the administrative subdivision fee that you guys just put 400 dollars.

[55:18] And then we included in that document, what's that supposed to be included in that ordinance?

[55:22] It refers them to talk to planning staff for the fee and refers to the fee schedule.

[55:31] The special exception would increase from $6.50 to $750. The use variance would also increase from $6.50 to $750.

[55:46] Inspections that are on holidays get increased from $60 to $100.

[55:51] dollars, site grading and site prep, we struck out, but we changed that residential would

[56:00] be $30 in commercial and industrial, industrial would be $100.

[56:06] Other permits that are the miscellaneous

[56:08] permits, carports go up from $30 to $50. Demolition gets broken out, where it's a residential

[56:16] The residential principal structure would be $100 or residential accessory structure would be $75.

[56:22] Commercial principal would be $150. Commercial accessory would be $125. Industrial principal would be $175. Industrial accessory would be $125.

[56:34] Fence permit increases from 30 to 50 and a main barn is increased from 30 to 50 as one

[56:41] of those patio permit is increased from 30 to 50 and then the sexually oriented business

[56:47] permit just increases to pretty much the standard around which is $1500. Swing will also get

[56:56] It's a small increase from 150 to 250, but it puts us in range with everyone else here.

[57:04] It does.

[57:04] It does put us in range with pretty much everybody else that is in our general area.

[57:10] There were a couple of outliers that I went a little further out and grabbed.

[57:13] Their fees were actually a lot higher than ours.

[57:17] So we didn't jump.

[57:19] We didn't increase that much, but we did increase enough that I think

[57:23] If we were viewing another, you know, two to five years,

[57:28] we're probably going to have moderate to minimal increases at that point.

[57:34] Okay.

[57:36] Council, any questions?

[57:38] I think the administrative subdivision that we just approved at $400 as well.

[57:45] I see very little difference between minor flat subdivision or a flat amendment.

[57:50] Both of which are 750. It still allows the applicant a more expeditious review, but in terms of your involvement staff reports, the view I see them very similar.

[58:04] So the fault behind that is there's a lot less time. The other plant reviews would include the Plain Consultants time and possibly her assistance time.

[58:19] These walling really include my time. April will be minimal on that. And we won't have as much internal review time where we have to do like tap review meetings or anything like that.

[58:33] So I was actually lower. I think I would came in at 350 and Cynthia had recommended the increase at 400.

[58:42] So I think we're right out of line with that, but I'm happy to look at it if everybody wants to present.

[58:51] I mean I can give it with what you just said, I can see where there's like a $300 to $350 difference,

[58:57] given you're cutting out her time in that particular piece also with it is,

[59:02] now if there's the fees regarding to like notices and stuff like that as well,

[59:07] that's not needed for this as you know in this particular instance.

[59:10] And so, which I know publication fees are not extensive,

[59:15] but also it's a time there for, I think,

[59:16] more time and effort from her part.

[59:18] So I don't, yeah.

[59:19] I mean, if I was going to sit there and say,

[59:23] if it's not 400, I don't think I can jump all the way

[59:27] to 750 because I do think there's a lot more work

[59:30] that goes into my close flats than compared

[59:33] to what we just outlined earlier in the definitions.

[59:39] But I mean, could it go up some?

[59:41] Yes, could I say go up to my 550 and then it's 750 for a flat?

[59:46] I can easily see that too.

[59:49] I'm not.

[59:51] I think that if you think that you've talked to someone.

[1:00:22] Any other questions,

[1:00:30] council?

[1:00:32] Chair, we have not introduced this ordinance. So we'll need, uh, so this is ordinance number 2026-10.

[1:00:40] So tonight introducing ordinance 2026-10 in ordinance of mending and replacing the official

[1:00:48] scheduled fees for the town of Pittsburgh Unified Development Ordinance, schedule fees

[1:00:52] with the noted amendments, a minute changes to those fees are noted below and this would

[1:00:59] be effective upon passage tonight if a purge.

[1:01:06] So that is the reading of the ordinance reads it's effective 180 days after publication.

[1:01:14] Oh, thank you.

[1:01:15] I was looking at the date.

[1:01:16] I don't know.

[1:01:17] That was not right.

[1:01:18] I mean, we have to.

[1:01:18] We have to.

[1:01:19] And I know we have to publish.

[1:01:21] I'm not sure about the 180 days.

[1:01:23] Oh, but maybe I'm going blank.

[1:01:26] Is that like what I came up with?

[1:01:27] No.

[1:01:28] I think Cynthia drafted that.

[1:01:30] I don't know about 180 days.

[1:01:32] Maybe that's because we were going to make it effective.

[1:01:35] of January 1.

[1:01:38] Well, it's going to be past the end.

[1:01:39] We started it in May.

[1:01:42] That's probably what happened, right?

[1:01:44] It could be.

[1:01:47] Let me know.

[1:01:53] Do you know of the top of your head?

[1:01:55] Aaron, this side to that new statue.

[1:01:59] And now, oh, come on.

[1:02:04] Would it be beneficial for us just to complete our,

[1:02:08] we've just completed our first reading,

[1:02:10] and we finalize this next month?

[1:02:11] That's hot.

[1:02:12] Let's just do that.

[1:02:13] and we'll get everything corrected and so we know the dates as well.

[1:02:17] Also with it is that it's not a it's not official clean copy.

[1:02:21] You gave us a red line version. We can take it.

[1:02:24] I think the clean copy. Yeah. So we got a clean

[1:02:25] and then with it we can say if you might make sure he has this clean as well.

[1:02:30] Yep. Then with the will result that issue. So let's go with

[1:02:33] how it's a first reading. So speaking of first reading,

[1:02:38] so I'm going to do a last bite of the business tonight is that first reading

[1:02:43] ordinance 2026-11. This is an ordinance for the town of Pittsburgh aligning with municipal

[1:02:49] election cycle for all town elected officials only even to the even number general election

[1:02:54] years. The town council under Indiana code chapter 3-10-6.5 to adopt an ordinance providing

[1:03:02] that each elected official municipality is elected at an even number year. With it is at the

[1:03:09] the municipal council finds conducting municipal elections

[1:03:12] during even number of general election years,

[1:03:15] low increased voter participation

[1:03:16] and per election administration official

[1:03:17] and to reduce election cost.

[1:03:20] So let me read how this would structure

[1:03:23] on this ordinance.

[1:03:24] This ordinance lies to an effects

[1:03:26] to the following elected official offices

[1:03:28] of the town of Pittsburgh, Indiana,

[1:03:30] for the clerk treasure and town council board one,

[1:03:33] work two and work three seats.

[1:03:35] The current term for these elected officials

[1:03:37] established under Indian law. Section 3, the two at large town council seats remain unmodified

[1:03:43] by this ordinance because the term in these positions is already on an even numbered year

[1:03:47] schedule, including for November of 2026. Section 4, persons to be elected in 2027 for

[1:03:54] town council, number 1, number 2, and number 3 seats in the clerk's treasure shall serve a term

[1:04:01] of a one-year commencing January 1st, 2028 in ending December 31st, 2028.

[1:04:07] Persons elected to persons to be elected in 2028 for the town council, Ward 1, Ward 2 and

[1:04:14] Ward 3 seats.

[1:04:15] She'll share a term for four years commencing January 1, 2029 in ending December 31st, 2032.

[1:04:22] The persons elected in 2028 election to the office of Clerk Treasurer, she'll share a term

[1:04:30] of two years commencing January 1, 2029 in any December 31, 2030. Section 5, beginning

[1:04:37] with the general election held in November of 2028 and every 40 years after elections

[1:04:44] for the town council members of Ward 1, Ward 2 and Ward 3, the shall be conducted during

[1:04:49] the statewide general election, beginning with the general election held in November of

[1:04:54] 20 to 30 in every 40 years thereafter of the elections at the clerk treasurer and

[1:04:59] to town council to at large town council seats will be conducted during the

[1:05:04] statewide general election all persons elected in beginning in 2028 and 20

[1:05:10] 30 shall serve terms of four years commence in January 1st of the year following the

[1:05:16] election. So that is the first reading of ordinance number 2026-11. Now

[1:05:24] At this time, we'll just complete a first reading when everybody can review the purposes

[1:05:31] behind this, of introducing this ordinance tonight, and then what's thought to be taken

[1:05:37] into consideration is that throughout the rest of the county, all other new county municipalities

[1:05:43] are moving to even number collections, Danville recently just passed their ordinance.

[1:05:48] Plain buildings will last, I believe it's being introduced next month or we've just got

[1:05:53] introduced this past month in their August meeting or if not, it's going to be introduced.

[1:05:57] They have two meetings in August.

[1:06:00] They're introducing as well.

[1:06:02] All of their municipalities are moving through this.

[1:06:06] It's confusing, it's a headache to go through this cycle to get on an even year cycle, but

[1:06:13] with it is that it's helping because number one, there's more election turnout during even

[1:06:18] years also with it is by moving to this because there's more county-based elections, the

[1:06:27] cost that the town has to burden for elections is reduced tremendously, but if we stayed

[1:06:36] in our current odd-year election cycle, it would cost more for us in the long term.

[1:06:43] Some counties are going to say they're going to allocate to, and I might say is some

[1:06:48] kind of thing, but then it's going to allocate specific costs if you don't go to this.

[1:06:55] Yes.

[1:06:56] So if you hold that right, I don't know how the traffic cost is, but the county charges

[1:07:02] towns, if anybody is in the office of your election, they get charged to do it because the

[1:07:06] county isn't having to let it up so I'm sure, so if you have less towns, right, they get

[1:07:11] the price is going to go up. Yeah so credit across the last election. And why we're not a, we're not the,

[1:07:19] we're nothing compared to the size. I will just simply note the AIMON record random that was done in

[1:07:24] 2025. Almost close to $60,000 to do that referendum because of the polling sites. Now we are

[1:07:31] a little township is not as large, but because we had to have so many polling sites based off of

[1:07:38] of 10,000 people, it became a huge expense.

[1:07:42] And while word, little township is not near that large,

[1:07:45] we take a fraction of it, we can be out in a rather hefty

[1:07:48] amount when it comes to elections.

[1:07:51] I'd not have, I hate changing cycles.

[1:07:54] I think it works, but with it is that,

[1:07:58] we also don't want to be the odd person out,

[1:08:00] in potentially being footing the bill.

[1:08:03] A lot larger bill for our elections

[1:08:05] when we can make a change and go to even number years, so.

[1:08:11] But we were awarded our

[1:08:16] last, because we ran out of puddles.

[1:08:20] Correct.

[1:08:22] But going forward, you have to pay for that election.

[1:08:25] We would have to, and with it, when we just did that primary,

[1:08:29] it was still several thousand when we did our one primary,

[1:08:33] our last primary, I think it was like $12,000 or something like that.

[1:08:37] one to Sherry. It was it was hefty. It wasn't cheap when we did our 20 25 elections.

[1:08:46] It was

[1:08:46] expensive. It wasn't cheap. So I'm on board with it. I have one question. Sure, paragraph number

[1:08:55] four at the bottom. Yes, page one.

[1:09:03] Will there be an election in 2027 and those individuals

[1:09:09] year I and Sherry served one year and then another election the following year or will

[1:09:18] our term be extended by one year to expire on an evening year.

[1:09:23] So with it is that the three wards which is yourself, myself, Larry and Sherry are up for

[1:09:33] election next year no matter what and when we are up for election next year we but all

[1:09:40] All four of those positions are going to go through election next year and serve out a one year term which is effective January 1 of 2028 and expire in December 31st of 2028.

[1:09:55] We all four of those positions would be up for a lecture again in 2028 to then serve a it would then be serving a four-year term.

[1:10:09] Why don't we just make it three-year term in 2027, have a lecture that will eliminate election

[1:10:19] in 2028?

[1:10:21] can't because then with it all five counsel and clerk treasure would be up for

[1:10:25] election in 2030 and you can have a potential clean sweep of all your elected

[1:10:32] officials and it's a good it's a concern is that it's that you should have it

[1:10:39] staggered no I agree I agree but a guy creates a it creates an issue because

[1:10:49] is with it that he have everybody's stacked into one single term

[1:10:53] in potential of a complete change over.

[1:10:56] With it, I mean, election results are election results,

[1:10:59] but the last thing even one is in potential of a complete change

[1:11:03] over in an election.

[1:11:05] So yeah.

[1:11:08] So this is just introducing ordinance 2026-11.

[1:11:11] The change to the election cycle will whenever

[1:11:15] made it look it over, think it over, and we'll discuss it again next month.

[1:11:27] I knew they were coming up. I didn't know when they were at, so I think everybody's

[1:11:33] doing it.

[1:11:37] Okay, at this time, let's go to public comment. If you have any public

[1:11:41] comment, come to the podium statement address.

[1:11:43] This thing

[1:11:46] comes in 7, 7, 2, 2, 3, 3, first off, but last month I forgot that bank April

[1:11:52] for going out in the heat and fooling out plat maps from the storage building because

[1:11:56] when I asked her to do that, she said, can you wait a couple days to cool down?

[1:12:00] I said, yeah, I'm not going to get a deal.

[1:12:03] And then last month, maybe Jason can ask you this, do we pay when gas company goes out and

[1:12:09] does it totally okay? Do we get charged because what happened was Ron Perkins

[1:12:15] his yard was marked up and the next day we saw the USIC guy so we asked him

[1:12:19] and he gave some name we never heard of and said come out and mark and then we

[1:12:23] saw Ron that afternoon and he said well we were talking about doing some

[1:12:27] yard work and then later decided she wanted some furniture so you know one

[1:12:32] had a problem. Yeah we pay for ticket. So okay so but it turns out he never told the

[1:12:38] The landscaper, yes, will go ahead, but the landscaper, apparently, just the advice I'll call

[1:12:44] I get it done now because of the think they're going to do it, so there's a lot more

[1:12:48] than you think there is.

[1:12:49] Okay.

[1:12:50] I was just curious.

[1:12:50] Because 8-1-1 is, if you call it, anybody can call it in to 8-1-1, it's free.

[1:12:55] Okay.

[1:12:55] Yeah.

[1:12:56] And that triggers the locate.

[1:12:57] But we actually pay to be a member of the 8-1-1 and we pay per ticket.

[1:13:04] Okay.

[1:13:04] I just wanted because the US I see guy said that people will when they're getting a quote

[1:13:09] Maybe in the book phase and they'll go out and have utilities done. He's gonna have one bit

[1:13:15] And I know says that's something we charge or is that built in the utility he seemed to think we didn't pay for the town

[1:13:22] Who the US I see guy was talking today

[1:13:25] He was marking one of my neighbors is getting treated. We pay for okay. We ended up paying we pay for everyone in focus

[1:13:30] I thought we did and he said we didn't. He wouldn't have any idea.

[1:13:37] He'd better not have anyone.

[1:13:39] And then I, Eric, you said you were going to have a meeting with Jeff Thompson today.

[1:13:43] You got maybe a brief update about lit versus property tax income for supporting our levies in the future.

[1:13:50] He told us that there's going to be more changes for the lit.

[1:13:56] But he said that the way it's written right now with the past the rates of 28 but not distributed

[1:14:03] for those rates until 30's been changed, distribution of the rates in 29.

[1:14:10] He also said that it's going to become where towns like yours are automatically opted into the county,

[1:14:18] unless you choose to opt out.

[1:14:22] I also mentioned that anybody has taken this under advised and said the way it's written

[1:14:26] right now with the live link on taxes is that it's based on 2020 census as to that

[1:14:33] that would be a train wreck in this county when the 20-30 census comes out.

[1:14:39] Hopefully if it's in the bill I said pick any website there's a million of them that estimate

[1:14:45] populations in the wrong pre-close.

[1:14:46] They said pretty why he's got to have one.

[1:14:48] I said let us use that or the distribution of funds back up in the town, so everything

[1:14:53] needs to be as close to where it's actually going to be in 2032.

[1:14:55] I think like that idea stuff happens.

[1:14:58] It'll make everything a lot closer.

[1:15:01] Our current census, we qualified to opt out, right, 35 plus. No, well, actually gave us our own. You can do it. You want to. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:15:14] Yeah.

[1:15:15] Is that 20, 20 census still support that? Oh, yeah. It just, it just what it does is there are certain towns that get a lot more money per person than others to be towns to, based on the population, how much income tax they receive.

[1:15:32] Those certain towns that they opt in which they will because if they do their own taxes are probably not that income in those taxes for their current levels of spending.

[1:15:44] Correct.

[1:15:45] So once they go into the county tool, we have to have an income tax hide-up if we choose to.

[1:15:51] They'll request an income tax sign-up to maintain the recurrent level of income, and if that happens,

[1:15:57] everybody else except them gets a windfall amount of money coming into the town,

[1:16:01] because the rate needs support of that town that has the highest thing.

[1:16:06] This is a very complicated thing that's going to change a lot, but we have the biggest two.

[1:16:12] A year and a half to figure it out, but it's not easy.

[1:16:18] And the next must-meeting for the clerk treasures and the county is nice and Wednesday

[1:16:24] of September.

[1:16:28] We're supposed to come up with an investigation of how I'll assume it would work, but I think

[1:16:33] from the county's perspective, even with Jeff sitting there, we're probably here by

[1:16:38] agree that we're not going to make any recommendations or come up with anything because we're not going

[1:16:42] of information currently available to make the soups that may be since anybody who's

[1:16:47] as we don't know, in town, bird, and then clean it up, or at all, I was actually working

[1:16:52] in the two years.

[1:16:54] Yeah.

[1:16:56] Thanks for your attention.

[1:16:59] Yes, sir.

[1:17:00] Eric, we're going to support St. Norfolk.

[1:17:02] First of all, thank you, Jason, for getting that flagpulls right now.

[1:17:06] I just also want to thank the council for the fact that I can carry those and thank the

[1:17:10] We're spotted. Also, I'm just curious is there any update on the basketball court? It's got part of it.

[1:17:18] You're up. Yeah.

[1:17:20] Well, we just talked about it. I have a letter to send to them, but Jason, I have just returned.

[1:17:25] He's going to try to get an estimate for the rectifying the problem so we can include it in the demand letters.

[1:17:32] I mean, this is how much it's going to cost. It'll be both the cost of removal because apparently that's the only choice.

[1:17:39] removal of the existing kind of grade and then the cost to repair it so that the

[1:17:46] contractor understands what they're facing there. Also another quote for

[1:17:51] reparation limited to come take the bull down, us the story and then to come back

[1:17:56] reinstall the bull with the backboard. Alright send that to the mayor too. Okay, yep.

[1:18:03] Booted all.

[1:18:08] No other public comment. Go to council comments. Any council members

[1:18:11] any comments for tonight?

[1:18:15] I only have one. I was reading it all for a quick share.

[1:18:19] You received this letter earlier, passed on over to us electronically. I came in from

[1:18:24] the Indian Housing and Community Development Authority regarding Biggs Heartland

[1:18:29] Housing with it is that I was talking about. Devovo was going to utilize IRS, low-income

[1:18:37] income housing tax credit program for rehabilitation.

[1:18:42] I did speak to the letter author,

[1:18:44] Alan Rukowski today.

[1:18:45] This is for pertaining to refurbishment

[1:18:48] of sterling court apartments

[1:18:51] that is gonna be a complete refurbishment.

[1:18:53] So it's actually no new developments or anything like that

[1:18:56] and with it they will comply with all permitting of it needs

[1:19:00] in being touched with Aaron in planning on commission

[1:19:05] but that'll be certain court who is that's who's needily all this so no need

[1:19:09] to further action on it but appreciate them so now knowing that Jim back to

[1:19:14] the water meter we

[1:19:19] had a discussion a couple months ago about a water meter

[1:19:21] starting court apartment we fly right now that we know that's low income

[1:19:26] housing that matter that matter okay toward so that's all mine

[1:19:33] all right

[1:19:38] Jim we got forced you can have it you know I suppose citizens water

[1:19:43] may have some rate that they developed, but then the other rate measures are subsidizing.

[1:19:50] Right?

[1:19:56] Have a second, Howard.

[1:19:58] That's a good meeting.

[1:19:59] No, I don't know.

[1:20:00] Was there any coverage there?

[1:20:01] No.

[1:20:04] Do you have some claims?

[1:20:09] Counting count from July 20th to August 14th, $647,985,88 cents to our account, same dates.

[1:20:21] $221,000 and $22,000 and $65,000 and the geobahn $52,000, $528 and $70,000.

[1:20:37] Second.

[1:20:39] I got a motion to second.

[1:20:40] All those in favor vote out.

[1:20:42] Aye.

[1:20:43] Those opposed.

[1:20:44] Let's record shall we prove those.

[1:20:49] Next meeting, it will be September 15th.

[1:20:52] with it though we have this Friday 8.30 in the morning right here we will be

[1:20:59] doing our annual budget planning for the year so outside

[1:21:05] of that if

[1:21:07] nothing else I'll make the motion to adjourn second all those in favor

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