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[14:06] good evening i'd like to call the

[14:07] december 15 2020

[14:09] meeting to order for the pittsburgh

[14:12] commission please join me in the flag

[14:14] salute

[14:19] of the united states of america and to

[14:21] the republic for which it stands

[14:24] one nation under god indivisible with

[14:28] liberty

[14:33] uh this is a special meeting because

[14:35] it's not on a regular night so we don't

[14:37] do necessarily public inputs but i see

[14:40] that

[14:40] pastor chambers is here if you'd like to

[14:42] come forward

[14:48] thank you honorable mayor commissioners

[14:52] may we pray holy father we come tonight

[14:56] and then this season of hope

[14:59] season of peace and joy and love and

[15:02] we are looking so much for the light

[15:05] that you have to shed for us and

[15:07] we thank you for this commission and for

[15:10] our city leaders

[15:11] appointed and all the public safety

[15:14] people and all the other people that

[15:16] work for the city for all the

[15:17] wonderful things that they do bless us

[15:20] all during this pandemic time

[15:22] keep us safe help us to

[15:25] do the right thing be smart be wise

[15:29] and bless the decisions that are made

[15:31] tonight here in our commission meeting

[15:33] and i ask you to

[15:34] let your spirit guide all and it all

[15:37] will lead tonight in

[15:38] peace and harmony father we left this

[15:41] prayer for you

[15:43] amen thank you sir and a very merry

[15:46] christmas and a happy new year to all of

[15:47] y'all and the same of you thank you

[15:50] all right at this point i would like to

[15:53] invite

[15:54] nancy evans to come forward and if her

[15:56] family wants to join her up here

[15:59] for safety and numbers

[16:20] already

[16:24] all right well this is a this is a great

[16:26] day for boys it's a sad day but a good

[16:28] day

[16:29] for those of us at community health um

[16:31] from the office of the mayor

[16:32] whereas pittsburgh native and lifetime

[16:34] resident nancy evans

[16:36] attended nursing school at pittsburg

[16:38] state university graduating in

[16:39] 1984 and whereas nancy dedicated her

[16:43] nursing career to ensuring that all

[16:44] individuals in pittsburgh and the

[16:46] surrounding areas had access to quality

[16:49] healthcare

[16:49] delivered with compassion and whereas

[16:52] nancy worked for mount carmel regional

[16:53] medical center

[16:54] and was the first employee of community

[16:57] health center of southeast kansas in

[16:59] 2003

[17:00] and whereas while at community health

[17:03] she was responsible

[17:04] for the startup of the first volunteer

[17:06] dental clinic in the community at wesley

[17:08] house

[17:09] was instrumental in the formation of

[17:11] community health immunization program

[17:13] personally vaccinating thousands of

[17:15] adults and children at flu clinics

[17:18] and through outreach to schools across

[17:20] southeast kansas

[17:21] ensure that thousands of individuals

[17:23] have access

[17:25] to critically needed prescriptions by

[17:27] helping them navigate

[17:28] medicare part d her favorite part and

[17:31] assistance

[17:32] programs and led the way when back when

[17:34] the vaccine to prevent cervical cancer

[17:36] was introduced taking it to high schools

[17:39] and colleges throughout the area

[17:41] and whereas nancy was the first american

[17:44] academy

[17:44] of diabetes educators certified diabetic

[17:47] educator in the region

[17:49] and worked one-on-one and through group

[17:52] education classes

[17:53] with thousands of diabetics to improve

[17:55] their health and whereas nancy is

[17:57] retiring

[17:58] on december 31 2020 from a career

[18:02] that led to improved health for all

[18:05] residents in our community

[18:06] now therefore i don mcnay mayor of the

[18:09] city of pittsburgh

[18:11] kansas do hereby proclaim tuesday

[18:14] december 15

[18:15] 2020 as nancy evans day

[18:18] i know a whole day but it's at the end

[18:20] of the day

[18:22] and call upon all citizens to recognize

[18:24] nancy

[18:25] as we express our sincere appreciation

[18:28] and gratitude in honoring her

[18:32] for her outstanding service

[18:41] please join me in congratulating nancy

[18:52] greatly honored and appreciate this

[18:54] recognition that was very nice and very

[18:56] unexpected so

[18:57] thank you

[19:12] all right moving on reorganization of

[19:14] the board of commissioners

[19:16] um i item a mayor elected for members of

[19:19] the governing board

[19:21] is there a nomination or emotion from

[19:23] the floor for mayor

[19:25] i'd like to make a motion to elect

[19:27] electric

[19:28] mancell mayor for the next year i second

[19:32] that

[19:33] all those in favor say aye aye opposed

[19:35] same sign

[19:36] motion carries okay

[19:50] i do solemnly swear i do solemnly or

[19:53] that i will support the constitution of

[19:54] the united states

[19:55] that i will support the constitution of

[19:57] the united states and the constitution

[19:59] of the state of kansas

[20:00] and the constitution of the state of

[20:02] kansas and faithfully discharge the

[20:04] duties of

[20:07] mayor of mayor or the city of pittsburg

[20:09] kansas

[20:09] for the city of pittsford kansas so help

[20:11] me god

[20:30] oh yeah

[20:46] so

[20:51] all right uh i like to present

[20:54] i don't know where it's at

[21:07] as i was saying i like to present a

[21:09] ceremonial gavel

[21:10] to outgoing mayor dawn mcnay

[21:14] and thank her for her dedication hard

[21:16] work and the commitment she had

[21:18] the last year for the city of pittsburgh

[21:21] very good job don

[21:22] thank you very much

[21:38] moving on we need to take a

[21:42] nomination for the next president of the

[21:45] board of commissioners

[21:46] elected by members of the governing body

[21:50] i make a motion that cheryl brooks

[21:53] be appointed or elected to the next

[21:55] president of the border a second

[22:00] it's been moved in second all in favor

[22:03] say aye all opposed same sign

[22:07] thank you congratulations thank you

[22:12] i do solemnly swear i do solemnly swear

[22:14] that i will support the constitution of

[22:16] the united states that i will support

[22:17] the constitution of the united states

[22:19] and the constitution of the state of

[22:20] kansas and the constitution of the state

[22:22] of kansas

[22:23] and faithfully discharge the duties and

[22:24] faithfully discharge the duties the

[22:26] president of the board of commissioners

[22:28] of president of the board of

[22:29] commissioners for the city of pittsburgh

[22:31] pittsburg kansas so help me god so help

[22:33] me god congratulations thank you

[22:41] moving on to the consent agenda are

[22:44] there any items to be removed for

[22:46] discussion

[22:47] f f f

[22:52] e

[22:54] is that it um uh

[22:58] ask for a motion to prove the consent

[23:00] agenda

[23:01] excluding item e and f so move

[23:05] high second roll call vote

[23:09] brooks yes fields yes nickname yes

[23:11] mansell

[23:12] yes yes all right on the consent agenda

[23:16] we have a approval of november 24th 2020

[23:20] city commission meetings minutes

[23:24] item b approval of staff recommendation

[23:26] to designate

[23:27] harris bank community national bank

[23:31] commerce bank equip equity bank

[23:34] gn bank lebet bank and landmark bank

[23:38] as official city depositories item c

[23:42] approve approval staff recommendation to

[23:45] designate the morning sun as the

[23:47] official city newspaper item d

[23:50] approval of the 2021 dues to the

[23:53] league of municipalities in the amount

[23:55] of nine thousand

[23:57] forty five dollars and seven cents

[24:03] of item g approval of staff

[24:06] requests to waive the city purchase

[24:08] policy

[24:09] requirement for formal sale bids

[24:13] to purchase one new 2021 ford escar

[24:16] escort sport ecosport

[24:20] s four-wheel drive for use by the public

[24:23] utilities facility maintenance

[24:26] division through the local dealership of

[24:29] mike carpino

[24:29] ford in the amount of twenty two

[24:31] thousand five hundred dollars

[24:33] and to authorize the insurance of the

[24:35] necessary purchase

[24:37] requisition item h

[24:40] approval of change order number one

[24:42] reflecting an

[24:43] increase of thirteen thousand twenty two

[24:46] dollars and seventy seven

[24:47] cents making a new contract

[24:51] construction amount of one hundred

[24:53] ninety two thousand

[24:55] two three hundred thirty one dollars and

[24:57] fourteen cents

[24:58] and final payment in the amount of forty

[25:01] four thousand

[25:01] five hundred sixty dollars and eighty

[25:03] cents

[25:05] to heger construction company inc of

[25:08] pittsburgh for the 2020 service

[25:10] preservation project

[25:12] item i approval of final payment to pro

[25:15] seal

[25:16] inc of el dorado kansas in the amount of

[25:19] 75

[25:21] 727 and 54 cents

[25:24] for the 2020 asphalt rejuvenation

[25:27] project

[25:29] item j approval of staff recommendation

[25:32] to accept the consent and

[25:34] acknowledgement of assignments for

[25:36] rights

[25:36] to payments related to creekside east

[25:40] housing development as representatives

[25:42] of turnkey developers

[25:43] llc have assigned their rights to

[25:46] payments

[25:47] received from the rural housing and

[25:49] sydney district

[25:50] as well as infrastructure development

[25:52] costs associated with the agreement

[25:55] from economic development advisory

[25:57] committee

[25:58] to be paid directly to the bank of

[26:00] commerce

[26:02] until their loan is satisfied and

[26:03] authorized to mail the mayor to sign

[26:06] the consent and acknowledgement of

[26:08] assignment documents

[26:10] on behalf of the city adam k

[26:13] approval of staff recommendation to

[26:15] reappoint tom

[26:16] spurgeon to a third three-year term

[26:19] effective january 1st

[26:21] 2021 and concluding

[26:24] on december 31 2023 to appoint

[26:28] and to appoint elizabeth may smith to an

[26:31] unexpired term effective immediately

[26:35] and concluding on december 31st 2020

[26:38] as members of the land bank of trustees

[26:44] item l approval

[26:47] of staff recommendation to reappoint

[26:49] denise fitzpatrick

[26:51] and james triplett to a second two-year

[26:54] term and to appoint andrew

[26:56] ogelnet nancy scott and george weeks

[27:00] to two the first two-year terms as

[27:02] members of the sustainability advisory

[27:04] committee

[27:06] effective january 1st 2021 and to

[27:08] conclude

[27:09] on december 31st 2020

[27:12] item m approved approval staff

[27:15] recommendation to reappoint

[27:17] pam henderson mike blue arc

[27:20] andrea stefanoni to a second four-year

[27:22] terms

[27:23] as members of the memorial auditorium

[27:25] advisory board

[27:27] effectively january 1st 2021 and to

[27:30] conclude

[27:31] on december 31st 2024

[27:35] item in approval staff recommendation to

[27:38] appoint

[27:38] deborah anthony aaron fletcher

[27:42] and leah gagon to first four-year terms

[27:45] as member of the active

[27:47] transportation advisory board effective

[27:50] january 1st 2021 and concluding

[27:53] on december 31st 2024

[27:57] approval of itemo approval of staff

[27:59] recommendation to appoint matthew

[28:01] kazowara to fill an unexpired term

[28:04] as a member of the airport advisory

[28:06] committee effective immediately

[28:08] and concluding on december 31st 2022

[28:13] item p approval of staff recommendation

[28:15] to reappoint

[28:16] paul chapel building contractor brian

[28:20] coombs

[28:21] engineer shannon nicholas mechanical

[28:24] to second three-year terms and to

[28:26] appoint melissa

[28:28] bo richardson architect to a first

[28:31] three-year term as members of the

[28:33] building code board of appeals building

[28:36] trades

[28:36] review board effective january 1 2021

[28:40] and to conclude on december 31 2023

[28:45] adam q approval of staff recommendations

[28:48] to reappoint pal michaels to a second

[28:51] three-year term

[28:52] as a member of the planning commission

[28:54] board of zoning appeals

[28:56] effective january 1st 2021 and

[28:59] concluding on december 31st

[29:01] 2023 item r approval of

[29:04] appropriation ordinance for the period

[29:06] ending december 15

[29:08] 2020 subject to the release of hub

[29:11] expenditures

[29:12] when funds are received wrote all right

[29:15] going back to item e

[29:18] approval of applications submitted by

[29:21] dollar general store

[29:22] number eight eighteen 856

[29:27] 820 west 4th street dollar general

[29:30] stores

[29:30] number 13065 204

[29:34] south ralph's dollar general store

[29:36] number 3785

[29:39] 28 2810 north broadway commodore berry

[29:44] corporation knights of columbus 407

[29:47] east 11th street aldi number 89

[29:52] 3109 north broadway walgreens number

[29:56] 09049 1911 north broadway

[30:00] horton's pizza plus 1601 east 4th street

[30:05] main street axe company two licensed one

[30:07] for consumption

[30:08] one on the premises and one not for

[30:11] consumption

[30:12] on the premise premises at

[30:15] 216 south broadway pit stop

[30:19] 1902 south joplin

[30:22] dylan's 2600 north broadway

[30:26] and snack attack 1101 east 4th street to

[30:29] sell serial malt

[30:30] beverages for the year 2021

[30:33] and direct the city clerk to issue the

[30:35] license

[30:39] i forget who tells me

[30:42] is any of these places have they been in

[30:44] violation of underage

[30:46] selling at all no not that we've ever

[30:48] had any reports on these are primarily

[30:50] um

[30:51] retail establishments okay uh not bars

[30:53] or drinking establishments

[30:54] a lot of times you'll see kids will try

[30:57] to go in and buy

[30:59] with a fake id so that's why i was just

[31:00] wondering yes and periodically the abc

[31:03] will come and do spot checks

[31:04] um so we don't have any records of these

[31:07] retail establishments having violations

[31:09] for underage drinking or

[31:10] sales to minors okay i moved to approve

[31:13] e

[31:14] is there a second

[31:22] all opposed same sign item f

[31:26] approval of staff request to use up to

[31:28] 40 000

[31:29] in funds from the pittsburgh public

[31:32] library building

[31:33] annually to replace the city

[31:36] the drive sprinkler system at the

[31:38] library

[31:39] mayor commissioners i'd be i'm deb

[31:41] clarkson director of the pittsburgh

[31:42] public library i'd be happy to try to

[31:44] answer any questions you may have

[31:47] i bet my mind isn't isn't really a

[31:49] question because i'm i'm pretty familiar

[31:50] with these

[31:51] fire suppression systems forty thousand

[31:54] dollars and i know a lot of people are

[31:55] watching this on home

[31:57] forty thousand dollars is a lot of money

[31:59] but it's not a lot of money for a fire

[32:01] suppression system

[32:02] and a dry system is even more money than

[32:04] the wit system

[32:06] my point is that we have that i'm aware

[32:09] of

[32:10] at least two buildings in town that are

[32:11] really good solid buildings

[32:13] that they're going to need they're going

[32:14] to need repair but what's going to

[32:16] happen to

[32:16] them more than likely very very likely

[32:19] is they're going to get torn down

[32:21] at the citizens expense and what's going

[32:23] to cause them to get tore down is

[32:25] the the unability and the inability to

[32:28] afford the fire suppression system and i

[32:30] think as a city and as citizens we need

[32:32] to find a way to

[32:34] do something about this i'm not saying

[32:36] not doing it i'm not saying that at all

[32:37] the fire suppression system is great

[32:39] there's very little competition with it

[32:41] and it's very expensive to do

[32:44] you can spend 100 125 000 real easily in

[32:47] a fairly large building and so i

[32:50] think the 40 000 is a really good good price for dry

[32:54] system and uh and i support what you're

[32:56] doing

[32:56] but i just wanted to bring people's

[32:58] attention what a price this

[32:59] is and some really nice historic

[33:01] buildings at least one

[33:03] i'm really sure is going to come down at

[33:04] the citizens expense that's what's going

[33:06] to happen so

[33:07] i'm glad it's happening and i just

[33:09] wanted to bring that up okay

[33:10] another question for you larry why why

[33:12] would that be

[33:14] a citizen's expense because what happens

[33:17] is these buildings

[33:18] get turned back into the land bank or

[33:20] whatever and when you look at the cost

[33:21] i looked at a building that's a good

[33:23] solid building the building itself is

[33:24] solid

[33:25] and you can buy it at a fair price but

[33:27] it needs a roof and roofs about

[33:29] 70 thousand uh it needs 60 windows which

[33:32] is about 60 thousand

[33:34] heating air plumbing is going to be

[33:36] expensive but the fire suppression by

[33:38] itself in this one building is 241 000

[33:41] well my thoughts are on why would that

[33:44] be the citizen's expense

[33:46] it's it's not a citizen's expense to do

[33:47] it because the bill it won't be done

[33:49] nobody can afford will justify that kind

[33:51] of money so what happens is the building

[33:53] gets tore down at the citizens expense

[33:56] it gets turned over to the city

[33:57] county it's turned over the county and

[33:59] we've had it happen at least three times

[34:00] in the last two years that i'm aware of

[34:02] and there's a couple more that's on that

[34:04] road to help well

[34:06] my concern is the property owner of the

[34:09] building

[34:09] if he lets it get in that state of

[34:11] disrepair that it needs to be tore down

[34:14] we have an ordinance that says that he

[34:16] must maintain that property

[34:18] if he doesn't if he doesn't then the

[34:20] city can tear it down at the citizen's

[34:22] expense

[34:23] and put that on his tax rule i'm sorry i

[34:26] have a question about the actual agenda

[34:27] item

[34:29] on what which was the agenda item i have

[34:31] a question on the agenda item

[34:32] yes me bev you want to explain because

[34:34] i'm not sure everyone understands

[34:36] the funding for the library the annuity

[34:39] sure the annuity actually dates back to

[34:42] when the

[34:43] library renovation occurred in 1997

[34:46] and that's when the new part of the

[34:48] building was added to the library

[34:50] and at that time there were some

[34:52] hairline fractures found in the stone

[34:54] of the stone facade and the architects

[34:57] were unhappy with that with the quality

[34:59] of the stone

[35:00] and the result was that the contractor's

[35:03] insurance company

[35:04] decided to purchase a deferred annuity

[35:07] and

[35:07] it would provide at that time it was 405

[35:11] 000

[35:12] to replace the stone if needed in 2010.

[35:16] um if when the mature when the annuity

[35:19] matured

[35:20] in 2010 they examined the stone uh there

[35:22] was nothing wrong with it

[35:24] so at that time the city commission

[35:26] decided to

[35:28] put that money aside and to use it for

[35:30] any upkeep of the library building

[35:32] such as this so this is not technically

[35:36] taxpayer funds but money set aside to

[35:40] protect the library

[35:43] they are the questions on this agenda

[35:44] item i moved to approve

[35:46] second been moved to approve and second

[35:49] it

[35:49] all in favor say aye aye all opposed

[35:52] same sign

[35:53] thank you you're welcome chuck on

[35:56] we don't have debtors prison you know so

[35:58] if somebody gives up on a building

[36:00] they don't pay their taxes there's

[36:02] nothing you can do about it

[36:04] the law protects that and you'll go

[36:06] through three years of

[36:07] not paying taxes and you can't do a

[36:09] thing about it and during that three

[36:10] years

[36:11] the citizens of pittsburgh because you

[36:12] have to make sure the building's secure

[36:14] and i've seen this building the city

[36:16] comes down they put up chain link fence

[36:17] around it they put up

[36:19] plywood on the windows and whoever comes

[36:21] along and breaks the windows out and

[36:23] kicks indoors

[36:24] and it has to be redone again but since

[36:26] we don't have debtors president i'm

[36:27] certainly not saying we need them don't

[36:29] misunderstand that

[36:30] sometimes you'd like to but you have to

[36:32] go through the system

[36:33] and the law protects them so you go

[36:36] through three years of non-paid taxes

[36:38] and then the county takes it

[36:39] and then the county ends up giving it to

[36:41] the city of pittsburgh so now you're out

[36:42] four years

[36:43] and you spent money on on securing the

[36:45] building trying to keep people out and

[36:47] varmints out and what have you

[36:48] and that deteriorates and it

[36:50] deteriorates the neighborhood of places

[36:52] and buildings and housing that's close

[36:54] to them

[36:56] and then you end up having to tear them

[36:57] down well i understand what you're

[36:59] saying larry but hopefully you

[37:00] understand

[37:00] if you own a piece of property and

[37:03] you've made money on that property over

[37:04] the years

[37:05] and then it gets to a point where you

[37:07] can't maintain it i don't feel like

[37:09] the citizens should have to bear that

[37:12] call there's nothing prevents that

[37:14] person i understand what you're saying

[37:15] but if you something that can be said

[37:17] they can go bankrupt because

[37:18] some of these old buildings don't pay

[37:20] their way i've got one not paying its

[37:21] way but uh

[37:22] unfortunately my wife lets me make the

[37:23] payments so but uh

[37:26] so yeah but there's the law protects

[37:30] them

[37:30] you know that's federal you're not gonna

[37:31] be able to change that and so these

[37:33] buildings get deteriorated and they get

[37:36] so bad that it they have to be secured

[37:38] they have to be taken care of

[37:39] and they will end up coming down but

[37:41] fire suppression is a big piece of it

[37:42] you can afford a roof you can afford

[37:44] some things that you can do yourself

[37:45] but the fire suppression is one item

[37:47] that is really pricey

[37:49] and i give a bit of credit in those that

[37:51] have the money for funding for this

[37:53] because you know we got a wonderful

[37:54] library and that's a good price for a

[37:57] for fire to repair a fire suppression

[37:59] system i think you're right larry that

[38:01] this is an issue that we need to address

[38:04] uh at maybe one of our study sessions

[38:09] and get it resolved because it's we we

[38:12] the city

[38:12] wind up paying for a lot of these fire

[38:14] suppression

[38:15] uh installments so i think that's when

[38:18] we should be

[38:20] should come together and and brains

[38:23] brainstorm and see if we can't get

[38:25] something done about that

[38:26] issue just a point um the mayor

[38:30] is an ex-officio of the library board

[38:33] and

[38:34] i just want to give a shout out to matt

[38:36] bacon because i know that there we've

[38:37] had several

[38:38] opportunities for matt to help the

[38:40] library and

[38:42] that speaks very highly of your of your

[38:44] expertise and your willingness so thank

[38:46] you matt

[38:48] all right and we've approved that and

[38:50] moving on right

[38:52] consider the following appointments

[38:54] memorial auditorium

[38:56] advisory board consider staff

[38:58] recommendation to appoint two

[39:00] individuals

[39:01] to memorial auditorium advisory board

[39:03] and one individual

[39:04] filling an unexpired term effectively

[39:07] immediately

[39:08] and concluding on december 31st 2022

[39:12] and the other individual filling a first

[39:14] term effective january 1st

[39:16] 2021 and concluding on december

[39:20] 31st 2024 good evening

[39:24] congratulations mr mayor thank you

[39:26] commissioners we have

[39:28] two vacancies we have three individuals

[39:30] that have applied i've invited them here

[39:32] tonight to talk a little bit about their

[39:33] interest in the advisory board position

[39:35] can i ask you a question before we do

[39:37] that are is a memorial auditorium open

[39:39] to the public

[39:40] we are hosting a few small events right

[39:42] now good deal thank you

[39:44] absolutely with your permission i'll

[39:45] invite them up so briefly

[39:47] cooper would you like to come forward

[39:55] good evening my name is cooper neal i'm

[39:57] the band and orchestra

[39:59] uh teacher at pittsburgh high school

[40:02] um i've i've been a part of of

[40:06] many different productions um

[40:09] uh with theater at memorial auditorium

[40:12] um and the the relationship with

[40:16] memorial goes back a long way

[40:19] and i'm very interested in thinking

[40:22] creatively

[40:23] about ways that that building can

[40:26] continue to be

[40:28] used hence my application

[40:31] thank you thank you cooper

[40:36] seth

[40:43] say good evening hope i'm tall enough to

[40:46] hear me

[40:46] uh my name is seth harley and i've been

[40:49] a resident of

[40:50] pittsburgh for 11 years now i teach

[40:53] elementary music and theater at front

[40:55] neck for the junior high high school

[40:57] and the first time i set foot on uh

[41:00] memorial stage was 24 years ago and i've

[41:02] been doing community theater and ballet

[41:04] productions and

[41:05] a lot of stuff with the community for a

[41:06] long time so i'm very interested in the

[41:08] building

[41:09] and i think it's a i think it's a great

[41:11] uh facility for this

[41:13] community to have to have such a great

[41:15] opportunity for the arts in this

[41:16] community and i'm

[41:18] very interested in finding ways to make

[41:19] sure that it's uh it's a viable thing to

[41:21] continue having in our future for

[41:23] all of our community members and

[41:25] everybody so thank you for your

[41:26] consideration

[41:27] thank you sir ginger

[41:33] howdy again so

[41:36] last time i came and submitted my

[41:39] application i wore my lucky star wars

[41:41] mask

[41:41] that did not work in my favor last time

[41:44] so

[41:44] i wore my looking nintendo socks so

[41:46] we'll see how this goes

[41:48] but um i am ginger collie i'm the

[41:50] director of sales for the hampton inn at

[41:52] the kansas crossing casino

[41:54] i've been there for three and a half

[41:56] years uh

[41:57] and so i've been making my way up

[41:59] helping to support the community i personally have organized

[42:03] and executed

[42:04] over 300 similar groups and events

[42:07] it's kind of what i my role is there

[42:10] at the hotel um so

[42:13] not only that but i do all of our social

[42:15] media all of our

[42:16] marketing advertisement all of our

[42:18] corporate accounts all of our group

[42:20] stuff

[42:20] community relations community

[42:22] volunteering and everything like that so

[42:24] i think this is another way to use that

[42:26] skill set um to help a community

[42:29] i'm an avid theater goer and actually

[42:32] chris and i have worked together

[42:33] on several different projects and things

[42:35] over the last three and a half years

[42:37] so there's that as well and uh community

[42:40] wise

[42:40] with pct i've been in about three shows

[42:43] on the tech side

[42:44] and performance i've been in theater all

[42:46] of my life

[42:48] i was actually a equity candidate actor

[42:50] in south florida for about 10 years

[42:52] so i worked professionally doing that as

[42:53] well so i understand

[42:55] the creative side of the space but also

[42:58] the requirements from a business

[43:00] standpoint and so i think

[43:02] that could really add some value um to

[43:04] the events and possibility and

[43:06] flexibility of the space there

[43:08] and also i'm writing a new play that

[43:10] maybe we can

[43:11] perform there i don't know working on it

[43:13] for seven years so we'll see

[43:15] but um thank you so much for your time

[43:16] tonight and it was great to see you all

[43:18] again

[43:18] congrats come here

[43:20] [Music]

[43:25] please vote for two

[43:28] one for two one in each i got three people

[44:26] all right we've selected the top

[44:29] category ginger cauli

[44:32] and super neal

[44:36] so congratulations and i think you need

[44:38] a motion and then yes

[44:39] is there a motion can we do them both at

[44:42] the same time or one

[44:44] some of them do what he said

[44:48] okay like a motion to appoint ginger

[44:51] and cooper neil to the uh memorial

[44:53] auditorium advisory board and and

[44:56] the gender you've been selected for the

[44:59] uh

[44:59] unexpired term expiring in december 31st

[45:03] 2020 i take it

[45:05] 2022 22 22. 2022 yeah

[45:08] excuse me and cooper you will

[45:11] uh your term will expire 2024.

[45:16] mr said that's straight so there's a mo

[45:18] is there a motion

[45:20] second that's it there's been a motion

[45:23] in a second

[45:23] all in favor say aye aye all right all

[45:26] opposed same sign

[45:28] i'd like to thank you cooper you ginger

[45:30] and you

[45:31] set for coming forward and showing the

[45:34] interest in

[45:34] and applying for these boards ginger you

[45:37] said it before you you tried once

[45:39] you didn't work out too well but thanks

[45:42] for showing continued

[45:44] interest in being a part of this and

[45:47] my uh my comment to you seth try again

[45:51] thank you thank you thank you

[45:57] all right

[46:00] consider the following item b

[46:04] appointments planning zoning board of

[46:06] zoning appeals

[46:07] consider staff recommendation to appoint

[46:10] one individual

[46:11] to a first term effective january 1st

[46:14] 2021 and concluding

[46:17] on december 31st 2023 as a member of the

[46:21] planning zoning

[46:22] board of appeals and plan planning

[46:25] commission

[46:26] board of zoning appeals yes we have

[46:30] one opening remaining we have five

[46:32] candidates

[46:33] uh before i have those president come up

[46:35] i was going to let you know

[46:37] matthew casawara wanted to be here

[46:40] but uh he was not able to attend because

[46:43] he's getting ready to

[46:44] travel for the holidays to see his

[46:46] parents and so he had to go and

[46:48] self-quarantine so he was not able to be

[46:50] here

[46:50] but won't let you know if it weren't for

[46:52] that he would definitely be here and

[46:53] he's very interested

[46:55] and with that i'll have the candidates

[46:58] come up and

[47:00] talk about their desire to serve

[47:18] my name is bob gilmore i'm retired

[47:21] i was a member of i'm a retired plumber

[47:24] i've been a plumber for over 50 years

[47:27] and i currently serve on the county's

[47:29] planning and zoning

[47:32] i have served on the city of pittsburgh

[47:34] planning and zoning in the past

[47:36] and for just under 10 years i worked for

[47:39] the city

[47:40] of pittsburgh in the building inspection

[47:43] department

[47:44] so i dealt with the planning and zoning

[47:47] for many years before i went to work for

[47:49] the city i was on the planning and

[47:51] zoning board

[47:52] so i think i know a lot about the board

[47:54] and

[47:57] being retired i'm interested to stay and

[47:59] act even keeping my

[48:02] ears of the ground and seeing what's

[48:03] going on so i figured

[48:05] this would be a good spot to get back

[48:07] onto the board

[48:08] thank you bob

[48:14] honorable mayor city commission i'm

[48:18] mike hanika and uh i've been in the

[48:21] community for

[48:24] 15 years and i've been in construction

[48:28] most of my adult life and

[48:32] currently owned my own company of

[48:35] uh i do construction estimating and

[48:39] takeoffs and i also do

[48:42] uh foam slab lifting which is

[48:46] excuse me my mask is and uh

[48:50] my desire to be on the planning

[48:52] commission is just

[48:54] it kind of relates back to a story where

[48:57] my wife and i first moved here she's a

[49:00] lifelong

[49:02] pittsburgh resident but

[49:06] i was from a larger city topeka

[49:10] and i just wanted to get away and

[49:13] we moved away for six months and

[49:17] you don't know what you have until you

[49:19] don't have it anymore

[49:20] and so we moved back about

[49:24] six months to a year later and

[49:27] i want to be part of the community and

[49:30] do my civic

[49:32] service by helping i think i have the

[49:37] knowledge and creative ability to

[49:41] help the city grow towards the future

[49:44] and

[49:44] for the president as well so thank you

[49:47] mike thank you

[49:55] good evening mayor commissioners and

[49:58] congratulations

[49:58] chuck thank you cheryl my name is tim

[50:02] bell

[50:02] i live at 310 webster i'd like to thank

[50:05] you all for

[50:06] giving me the opportunity to address you

[50:08] tonight i am here seeking

[50:10] consideration for appointment for the

[50:11] board of zoning and appeals planning

[50:13] commission

[50:14] give you a little bit of history uh i

[50:16] moved here

[50:18] you know over 40 years ago

[50:21] 1979 i moved down here for the purpose

[50:24] of transferring from fort scott

[50:25] community college to go to psu

[50:27] um things happened

[50:31] uh went to work for a local contractor

[50:34] um decided i liked that better than

[50:37] going to school so i stuck with that

[50:40] and it worked out all right uh stayed in

[50:42] the construction field for

[50:43] many years and and building maintenance

[50:46] and eventually

[50:47] hired on with the city of pittsburgh in

[50:48] 1999 as as a

[50:51] building maintenance did more building

[50:53] than actual maintenance

[50:55] um some of the projects that i was kind

[50:58] of proud of was

[50:59] the renovation of the old uh commission

[51:02] meeting room and chuck you've got to

[51:04] remember that and patrick you probably

[51:06] do too

[51:07] um the uh

[51:10] parks and rec lincoln center you know

[51:13] renovated that

[51:15] and then also uh the

[51:18] airport the big mill hangar out there

[51:21] so just kind of that was kind of my building experience and getting

[51:26] involved with that in 2004 i was hired

[51:29] on as a building inspector

[51:30] and then left the city in 2015 as a

[51:33] building official

[51:35] served on board of directors for heart

[51:39] of america chapter for building

[51:41] officials

[51:42] presently i'm still a member of the hoa

[51:45] the heart of america chapter

[51:46] and also the icc the international code

[51:48] council

[51:53] during my time with building services i

[51:56] was afforded opportunity to meet and

[51:57] work with a lot of really nice people

[51:59] who made my job very enjoyable as you

[52:02] know most

[52:03] public positions it's not always

[52:05] glorious

[52:06] and sometimes a few people aren't so

[52:08] nice uh

[52:10] but i've tried to always see their side

[52:11] of the argument and i like to think

[52:13] uh it is a thorough discussion of both

[52:17] sides

[52:18] rather than an argument regardless i

[52:21] felt my job

[52:23] like yours was to serve public's best

[52:24] interest

[52:26] and mine more specifically was

[52:28] concerning fire

[52:29] life safety while working the public

[52:33] regarding

[52:34] building permits was most always a

[52:36] discussion with reference to zoning

[52:38] regulations

[52:40] building line setbacks whether it's

[52:42] pertaining to building

[52:43] or zoning district regulations building

[52:45] line setbacks accessibility

[52:49] requirements parking signage proposed

[52:50] building use or possibly even a variance

[52:53] request

[52:54] or particular for a particular project

[52:58] i was most often very much involved in

[53:00] conveying information to public about

[53:01] zoning regulations and standards

[53:04] and what options may be available if

[53:07] their plans conflicted with those

[53:08] regulations

[53:11] i believe it's important for the

[53:13] betterment of the community

[53:15] that we have regulations and standards

[53:20] and that they protect property owners

[53:22] investments

[53:24] as an established property owner myself

[53:26] i want to assure

[53:27] that mine as well as my neighbor's

[53:29] investment

[53:30] is protected from conflicts of use

[53:34] that may misalign from my neighborhood

[53:37] or

[53:37] a project you know determine

[53:39] predetermined model of the neighborhood

[53:42] as stated earlier we do need to have

[53:45] options

[53:46] or exceptions to the rule every case

[53:48] should be explained in a fair and

[53:50] equitable manner

[53:51] consideration for exception should be

[53:54] based on

[53:54] proposed use and the direct effects to

[53:57] the neighborhood

[53:58] and the community as a whole i feel that

[54:01] my

[54:02] i feel that i am the right candidate for

[54:05] a position that requires an

[54:06] understanding of code language

[54:08] ability to comprehend building site

[54:10] plans provide attention to details

[54:12] and the ability to make just decisions

[54:15] when revolving challenges or challenging

[54:18] cases

[54:19] and or unusual circumstances based on my

[54:22] previous experiences former building

[54:23] inspector building official and as

[54:25] private building contractor

[54:27] all would allow me to contribute this

[54:29] committee as an informed member

[54:31] and serve in a professional unbiased

[54:33] manner

[54:35] i thank you for your time and appreciate

[54:36] your consideration in filling this

[54:38] position

[54:38] thank you guys thank you tim

[54:48] good union mayor commissioners my name

[54:50] is martin

[54:51] dickinson i'm a lifelong resident of

[54:54] pittsford

[54:55] work history includes 13 plus years at

[54:59] mcnally pittsburgh in

[55:01] electrical engineering department and

[55:03] job site

[55:04] construction over union

[55:07] [Music]

[55:09] multiple years 10 plus years with the

[55:11] city of pittsburgh

[55:13] now i'm a small business owner

[55:16] invested in an interest in pittsburgh i

[55:21] want to see the city grow but in a

[55:23] proper manner

[55:28] i believe i can bring good value to the

[55:31] board

[55:32] and appreciate your consideration for

[55:34] this position

[55:36] thank you mark

[56:25] all right congratulations martin is

[56:28] there a

[56:29] motion to a point i i make that motion

[56:32] a bit of motion and a second second

[56:35] motion is second to approve martin

[56:37] dickerson to the bonus

[56:39] board of zoning appeals and planning

[56:41] commission

[56:42] all in favor say aye aye all right i'll

[56:44] pull the same sign

[56:46] once again guys my tim

[56:49] matthew well matthew wasn't here uh mark

[56:53] but martin anyway i just want to tell

[56:55] you guys

[56:56] that all of our boards are very

[56:58] important to us as commissioned because

[57:00] we take advice

[57:02] and from each and every board this board

[57:04] to me

[57:05] is very very important uh to the city of

[57:07] pittsburgh

[57:08] and i just want to say to me any one of

[57:11] you guys

[57:12] could have been on that board

[57:14] unfortunately we only had uh

[57:16] one position to fill because you have a

[57:18] wealth of knowledge and experience

[57:20] that would benefit that board all i can

[57:22] say

[57:23] is hey reapply next time there's an

[57:25] opening and thanks for your

[57:27] interest in it thank you all

[57:32] consider following item c

[57:36] request to change zoning considering

[57:38] consider the recommendation

[57:40] of planning and commission board of

[57:43] zoning appeals

[57:44] to approve the request submitted by

[57:46] sherry mendez

[57:48] to to change existing zoning

[57:51] a property located at 102 east 16th

[57:54] street from

[57:55] our 1c single family residence

[57:58] to cp 2 plan general commercial to allow

[58:03] a parking lot to be construction

[58:06] reconstructed

[58:08] all right thank you uh we had the

[58:10] request uh

[58:12] the property here's the first property

[58:15] in yellow right behind uh

[58:17] the corner of the mendez's business

[58:20] there

[58:20] it's outside of 16th street they own

[58:23] that property they have

[58:25] demoed that house what they're planning

[58:28] on doing with that is after it gets

[58:29] rezoned is to expand their parking lot

[58:31] because their business is

[58:33] being so successful with that

[58:37] came before the planning commission and

[58:39] it was approved unanimously

[58:41] to recommend that it be rezoned

[58:47] any questions about this

[58:53] second then move approved by don second

[58:55] invite patrick all in favor

[58:57] say aye aye aye i'll tell the same sign

[59:01] thank you thank you item d

[59:04] modification to fire department rescue

[59:06] seven persons

[59:08] specific specification

[59:12] considering staff recommendation to

[59:15] remove the pump

[59:16] tank hose and all other associated items

[59:20] from the specifications of a new rescue

[59:22] unit and use these funds saved by making

[59:24] this modification

[59:26] to purchase other equipment that will

[59:28] directly support the fire department's

[59:30] rescue

[59:31] capabilities

[59:35] mr mayor congratulations commission

[59:38] thank you for

[59:38] allowing me some time on the agenda

[59:40] we're seeking approval to remove the

[59:42] pump

[59:43] and the associated associated items from

[59:46] the new rescue 7

[59:48] we've looked at you know laws

[59:49] regulations i've talked with the

[59:51] director of public utilities

[59:53] and the police department we feel that

[59:54] we have an alternative means

[59:56] to clean highways that are more in line

[59:59] with best business

[1:00:00] practices and environmental regulations

[1:00:02] we don't see

[1:00:03] any operational problems removing the

[1:00:06] pump

[1:00:07] and we have identified some equipment

[1:00:09] that would greatly enhance

[1:00:11] the fire department's capabilities of

[1:00:12] rescue incidents

[1:00:14] so our intention would be to take funds

[1:00:17] saved from the pump tank and associated

[1:00:19] items

[1:00:20] and use that on the equipment that we've

[1:00:21] identified as

[1:00:23] you know significantly important to us

[1:00:26] well i have several questions about

[1:00:28] this yes sir and i'm just going to read

[1:00:31] a memo the background the primary intent

[1:00:35] of the pump on a rescue vehicle was to

[1:00:37] allow fire department to wash down

[1:00:39] accident scenes this practice is not

[1:00:42] keeping with the best

[1:00:44] business practices of the fire service

[1:00:47] and raises questions of compliance with

[1:00:49] current environmental standards

[1:00:52] and regulation after con consulting with

[1:00:56] the police chief and director of public

[1:00:57] utilities

[1:00:59] an attorney method of removing oil gas

[1:01:02] antifreeze and other

[1:01:04] roadway hazard has been agreed upon thus

[1:01:07] eliminating the need of the pump

[1:01:11] on this vehicle what what are the other

[1:01:14] means

[1:01:15] to uh to do away with

[1:01:18] the gas antifreeze and transmission

[1:01:21] fluid yeah

[1:01:21] fire apparatus will carry oil dry and

[1:01:24] they already carried

[1:01:26] rooms and shovels regulations allow us

[1:01:28] to dispose of up to 200 pounds of

[1:01:30] contaminated oil dry

[1:01:32] from any one incident anything that

[1:01:34] exceeds the 200 pounds

[1:01:36] i've talked with the public utilities

[1:01:38] director we'll be able to contact them

[1:01:40] and they will come out with sand and

[1:01:42] equipment and then

[1:01:43] they can dispose of it in accordance

[1:01:45] with their regulations

[1:01:47] so they could do that if we didn't

[1:01:48] remove the pump and firefighting

[1:01:50] apparatus from this truck

[1:01:52] they could still do that they could by

[1:01:54] small but smaller spills we would be

[1:01:56] able to handle ourselves

[1:01:58] well my uh

[1:02:02] my question is we don't buy fire trucks

[1:02:06] that often in the city of pittsburgh

[1:02:08] because we're a small city

[1:02:10] now i know large cities can buy numerous

[1:02:12] pieces of apparatus

[1:02:14] what are we going to do with it i'll

[1:02:17] continue on with what i want to say and

[1:02:19] then i'll ask you about

[1:02:21] but when we can't afford to buy a piece

[1:02:23] of apparatus we need to get the best

[1:02:25] bang for our buck and in my

[1:02:28] opinion is we need to leave the pump on

[1:02:31] that truck

[1:02:33] because we use it several times

[1:02:38] more than just as a wash down we use it

[1:02:41] and that truck is typically smaller than

[1:02:43] any piece of apparatus

[1:02:44] that we have and we use it in places

[1:02:47] where

[1:02:48] we can't get a large piece of apparatus

[1:02:51] we use it on dumpster fires in alleyways

[1:02:53] that we might not be able to reach

[1:02:55] uh with a large piece of apparatus we

[1:02:58] use it on grass fires

[1:03:00] and i worked for the fire department for

[1:03:03] 25 years

[1:03:04] and we didn't have a piece of apparatus

[1:03:06] like this that we will we did we had a

[1:03:08] uh

[1:03:09] a squad but that squad uh

[1:03:14] well you know it got old and re replace

[1:03:16] it but this piece apparatus

[1:03:18] i think with the current one we're going

[1:03:20] to be replacing

[1:03:22] that truck had the ability to fight

[1:03:24] grass fire

[1:03:26] not with uh with only the length of

[1:03:28] holes that it carried

[1:03:30] but that pump could be pumping water

[1:03:33] as we drove as the fire progressed

[1:03:37] so like i said you know i

[1:03:40] and you had did you have a committee

[1:03:41] that came up with the specs of this

[1:03:43] truck

[1:03:44] and they knew the needs of the citizens

[1:03:46] of pittsburgh

[1:03:48] and i think we handicap ourselves

[1:03:51] when we have not that often we can

[1:03:54] afford to buy a piece of apparatus

[1:03:56] that we need to be using it as a

[1:04:01] bunch of different things not only as a

[1:04:04] wash down

[1:04:04] i i think that was i don't like that

[1:04:08] that's only used as a wash down because

[1:04:10] it's not it's used on grass fires it's

[1:04:12] used on dumpster fires

[1:04:14] at a car uh rescue if if

[1:04:17] the if that gas was to

[1:04:20] ignite it would be nice to have a pump

[1:04:22] that we could fight the fire with

[1:04:25] so like i said uh the committee that put

[1:04:27] this together

[1:04:29] you know they they felt to me uh

[1:04:32] they met the needs of what our city's

[1:04:35] size is

[1:04:37] we need a piece of apparatus that we can

[1:04:39] use on a

[1:04:41] bunch of different things that it's been

[1:04:42] used on if if we take the pump off

[1:04:44] basically you have a truck

[1:04:46] that's sitting in the in the apparatus

[1:04:50] bay that's only used for rescue

[1:04:52] and you know in larger departments

[1:04:55] that's fine

[1:04:56] but in larger cities that's fine but the

[1:04:58] city of our size we need to spend money

[1:05:01] on something that we can

[1:05:03] be multi-dimensional and i just do not

[1:05:06] agree with this decision

[1:05:07] yeah the original committee's request

[1:05:10] was for a truck without a pump

[1:05:12] and through several discussions they decided to put a pump back

[1:05:16] onto this truck so originally they

[1:05:18] wanted one without

[1:05:20] the other thing is that we have a 2017

[1:05:26] squad apparatus that is very very

[1:05:28] similar in size

[1:05:30] quite capable of filling all those roles

[1:05:32] that you discussed in terms of dumpster

[1:05:34] fires and

[1:05:35] lead fires we don't we do not have many

[1:05:39] running grass fires in this particular

[1:05:42] city the last running grass fire that

[1:05:44] the our agency responded to was

[1:05:47] about a year and a half ago and it was

[1:05:49] outside

[1:05:50] the city of limits as far as motor

[1:05:52] vehicle accidents

[1:05:54] the rescue always responds with an

[1:05:56] engine in conjunction

[1:05:58] so there's always that capability to

[1:06:00] provide fire suppression and fire

[1:06:01] support

[1:06:02] and in most vehicle accidents we put

[1:06:05] extinguishers out

[1:06:06] and we handle whatever fires come from

[1:06:09] that

[1:06:10] with our extinguishers as i said the

[1:06:12] rescue will

[1:06:13] respond in conjunction with an engine

[1:06:16] anyhow because we need that type we need

[1:06:19] that level of staffing and opera

[1:06:21] and a vehicle accident so i hope that

[1:06:23] answers your question sir

[1:06:24] not really uh but you said we have

[1:06:26] another piece of apparatus that we use

[1:06:29] in that instance of where we can't get a

[1:06:31] large

[1:06:33] truck in uh for dumpster fires we do

[1:06:36] my thoughts are we always try to have a

[1:06:39] reserve truck

[1:06:41] and so we take the pump off this truck

[1:06:44] and the truck that we can use something

[1:06:47] happens to it then we don't have that

[1:06:49] truck anymore

[1:06:50] i just feel that the citizen would be

[1:06:52] better served

[1:06:53] to have a truck that is capable of

[1:06:56] fighting fire

[1:06:57] in case the other one has a mechanical

[1:07:01] problem uh i don't know where the rest

[1:07:04] of you are

[1:07:04] on this but we can certainly hold the

[1:07:07] existing rescue seven and move it into a

[1:07:09] reserve status

[1:07:10] well that's what i was going to ask you

[1:07:11] next are we going to keep that truck are

[1:07:13] we going to try to sell it

[1:07:16] the option the options are available to

[1:07:18] us whichever direction we feel

[1:07:20] is best to move the current rescue 7 on

[1:07:24] the used market probably is not going to

[1:07:26] generate

[1:07:26] a tremendous amount of revenue there's

[1:07:29] just not

[1:07:30] that particular piece of equipment is

[1:07:33] very unique

[1:07:34] and it's just not a very large market to

[1:07:36] sell that piece

[1:07:37] so we could actually keep it in reserve

[1:07:40] and

[1:07:40] station it out at uh number three that

[1:07:43] way

[1:07:44] the current brush truck which is what we

[1:07:47] have

[1:07:47] is a brush truck that's stationed out at

[1:07:50] number two

[1:07:51] the old rescue seven could move out the

[1:07:53] station number three and we would have

[1:07:55] that as a reserve

[1:07:57] so i still i hear what you're saying but

[1:07:58] i still think the citizens

[1:08:00] would be better served to have a truck

[1:08:03] that has the pump

[1:08:04] and the capability of fighting fire

[1:08:06] because we don't buy trucks that often

[1:08:08] we can't afford to so i would make a

[1:08:11] motion that we

[1:08:12] go i have a lot of questions oh oh god

[1:08:15] yeah

[1:08:16] i was on a roll yeah you were there are

[1:08:19] you comfortable with this decision

[1:08:20] absolutely okay yeah i just like to

[1:08:23] reiterate

[1:08:24] the chief inherited these specs um i

[1:08:27] know he worked back through his

[1:08:28] organization

[1:08:29] one of the reasons we hired him was

[1:08:31] because he currently

[1:08:33] has been working in the fire service

[1:08:35] he's got some great experience

[1:08:37] and i appreciate the comments but i

[1:08:39] would hope that we would let the fire

[1:08:41] chief run the fire department

[1:08:42] and would support his recommendation

[1:08:45] we've been through it

[1:08:46] you asked how about the rest of the

[1:08:48] board thought about this chuck

[1:08:52] uh as far as i'm concerned

[1:08:57] this proposal is brought to us

[1:09:00] by people who know more about this

[1:09:02] department

[1:09:04] than i do and as a result

[1:09:09] i think that if this is their decision

[1:09:12] this is what they need

[1:09:13] then i'm in favor of it well that's why

[1:09:16] i was against it because that was a

[1:09:18] recommendation to have a pump on the

[1:09:19] truck evidently

[1:09:21] and that got changed i thought it wasn't

[1:09:23] on the truck but then it was

[1:09:24] originally it was and there was i've

[1:09:27] talked with the apparatus committee

[1:09:29] about this extensively i've talked with

[1:09:30] the command staff about this extensively

[1:09:33] and i'm very comfortable saying that the

[1:09:36] staff

[1:09:37] is in agreement with me and would

[1:09:39] support this well that's all well and

[1:09:41] good and i can understand

[1:09:42] your conversation with the staff but to

[1:09:44] be honest with you

[1:09:45] i don't think the staff would say no

[1:09:47] we're not agree with the agreement with you so whatever

[1:09:51] your

[1:09:52] thoughts are i'm sure that's what they

[1:09:54] would agree to

[1:09:55] well i hope that the staff would be

[1:09:57] honest with me and offer their honest

[1:09:58] opinions and that's the way i

[1:10:00] i've come into this position that's the

[1:10:03] way i intend to lead

[1:10:04] leave the department certainly i you

[1:10:07] know i have the authority to make

[1:10:08] decisions at some point

[1:10:10] but i need honest input from the staff

[1:10:12] and that's why i've solicited

[1:10:13] or i feel i've solicited that from the

[1:10:15] staff as an

[1:10:16] ex-employer my staff never had much

[1:10:20] trouble

[1:10:20] telling me i was full of beans

[1:10:24] i've often had that occasion too sir

[1:10:28] i would make a motion to approve seconds

[1:10:31] there's been a motion and a second to

[1:10:33] approve all in favor say hi

[1:10:36] all opposed same sign i

[1:10:40] what would that vote count tammy three

[1:10:42] to two three two thank you thank you thank you chief i

[1:10:46] have a car man yes sir

[1:10:48] you know i didn't get to say it though i

[1:10:50] think it's wise not to wash this stuff

[1:10:52] down put the water you know these fuels and

[1:10:54] chemicals and things to the waste water

[1:10:56] that matt has to handle and the citizens

[1:10:58] have to put up with we have a

[1:10:59] sustainability committee we have these

[1:11:00] committees that can very concerned about

[1:11:02] the environment

[1:11:03] and it's a very big piece of everything

[1:11:05] we're doing as well and i think to look

[1:11:07] at

[1:11:07] other ways to clean this stuff up and

[1:11:09] they're out there and the epa is going

[1:11:11] to make us do that

[1:11:12] pretty soon anyways so those things are

[1:11:15] on the short horizon

[1:11:16] so i think it's a good good plan to

[1:11:18] start doing that in other ways and

[1:11:20] washing it down to the

[1:11:21] storm surge we'll move forward

[1:11:24] thank you

[1:11:30] item e allocate allocation of funds

[1:11:33] community development

[1:11:35] block grant coronavirus response

[1:11:38] supplement

[1:11:38] cd cdbg cv

[1:11:42] consider approving the allocation of

[1:11:44] funds from the cdb

[1:11:46] cv grant program from the kansas

[1:11:49] department of commerce with the lord's diner flag

[1:11:54] church

[1:11:55] and wesley house each receiving eleven

[1:11:57] thousand

[1:11:58] six hundred and sixty six dollars in

[1:12:01] funding

[1:12:02] to support programs that provide

[1:12:05] access to nutritious foods during the

[1:12:07] covert

[1:12:08] nineteen crisis particularly program

[1:12:11] supporting children

[1:12:13] mayor mansell and commissioners um

[1:12:17] at the last commission meeting we

[1:12:19] allocated funds for the business portion

[1:12:21] of this grant

[1:12:23] we've we've since cut checks and

[1:12:26] have delivered those funds this is the

[1:12:28] meals portion of that grant and at that

[1:12:30] time i told you i would come back at the

[1:12:31] next meeting and talk about this

[1:12:33] there really are really there are only

[1:12:34] three uh applica good applications

[1:12:37] of organizations that actually do

[1:12:39] deliver food in the community

[1:12:41] we did get thirty five thousand dollars

[1:12:42] for that meals portion of that grant

[1:12:44] and all three of these organizations do

[1:12:46] provide uh

[1:12:47] services food related services to the

[1:12:49] community we just divided the money up

[1:12:51] equally amongst them and and

[1:12:53] are allocating them equal amounts so

[1:12:55] there was only three

[1:12:57] there were four applicants one of them

[1:12:59] was not really a food

[1:13:01] distribution activity and they were

[1:13:03] unresponsive

[1:13:04] do each of these entities uh serve about

[1:13:08] the same amount of people

[1:13:09] oh it varies dramatically and their way

[1:13:12] they go about it very dramatically as

[1:13:14] well obviously the lord's diner serves

[1:13:15] meals every night

[1:13:17] the wesley house is more like a food

[1:13:19] bank and then the flag church has events has

[1:13:22] community events where they distribute

[1:13:24] food

[1:13:24] and they work in conjunction with other

[1:13:26] organizations around the city

[1:13:28] and they all have had successful track

[1:13:30] records and delivering food to the

[1:13:31] community

[1:13:34] seacap meals on wheels wasn't the

[1:13:36] participant we

[1:13:37] didn't there was no application from

[1:13:39] them

[1:13:42] are there any further questions for

[1:13:45] a motion to approve second move by larry

[1:13:48] second by cheryl all in favor say aye

[1:13:51] all of those same sign thank you

[1:14:01] consider item f resolution number 1240

[1:14:05] consider approval of resolution number

[1:14:07] 1240

[1:14:08] amending resolution number 1238

[1:14:11] dated october 13 2020

[1:14:15] determining determining that the city of

[1:14:17] pittsburgh is considering

[1:14:19] establishing a rural housing in sydney

[1:14:22] district

[1:14:23] within the city to include a property

[1:14:25] annex

[1:14:26] into the city following the adoption of

[1:14:29] resolution number 1238

[1:14:35] congratulations mayor thank you

[1:14:37] commissioners um

[1:14:39] in october if you remember we had a we

[1:14:42] brought before you

[1:14:43] resolution 1238 which established

[1:14:47] eligible properties for the rural

[1:14:48] housing incentive district

[1:14:50] shortly after that we had another parcel

[1:14:53] approximately 8.4 acres

[1:14:54] annexed into the city spoke with

[1:14:57] a member of the department of commerce

[1:15:01] about the process if we need to go back

[1:15:03] through the entire process again to add

[1:15:05] that one parcel

[1:15:06] uh that that gentleman that owns that

[1:15:08] parcel was interested in getting it in

[1:15:11] to the rural housing incentive district

[1:15:12] at the time

[1:15:14] but based on timing we needed to wait

[1:15:18] the word back from the department of

[1:15:20] commerce is if we

[1:15:22] amend the resolution with a new

[1:15:24] resolution

[1:15:25] and um send them a letter stating that

[1:15:27] we would like to amend an

[1:15:29] ad as depicted in here parcel a15

[1:15:33] that's labeled you can you can see that

[1:15:36] um

[1:15:36] that they would go ahead and approve it

[1:15:38] without going through uh the process we

[1:15:40] had done just before

[1:15:44] are there any questions for clinton

[1:15:48] there's no questions i move approval

[1:15:51] been moved by patrick

[1:15:53] second by larry all in favor say aye all opposed same sign thank you

[1:16:07] coordinate consider item g

[1:16:11] ordinance number g 13 17

[1:16:14] consider approval ordinance number g

[1:16:17] 1317

[1:16:18] amending sections 2-102-2-103-2-104

[1:16:25] and 2-105 of the pittsburgh city codes

[1:16:28] to update and streamline the uniform

[1:16:31] procedures and platinum requirements for

[1:16:34] subdivision

[1:16:35] including the pre-flatting conference

[1:16:38] preliminary plat final plat and short

[1:16:41] flat

[1:16:42] short form flat thank you mayor

[1:16:45] commissioners

[1:16:47] this is uh comes from the planning

[1:16:49] commission it was recommended

[1:16:51] unanimously

[1:16:52] these were the uh review uh

[1:16:55] changes that uh the city commission

[1:16:58] requested that the planning commission

[1:16:59] take a look at and trying to address

[1:17:01] some of the concerns that have come up

[1:17:02] on the

[1:17:03] planning process

[1:17:07] and we want to answer any questions you

[1:17:09] have

[1:17:11] any questions i do i'd like to see the

[1:17:14] difference between the

[1:17:16] two i noticed you have the changes here

[1:17:18] but what they were before

[1:17:23] and uh we're basing the changes on just

[1:17:26] bringing it up to speed as far

[1:17:28] see like what you're you're doing here

[1:17:31] this

[1:17:31] that's not in here is it with the red

[1:17:33] markings no

[1:17:35] what's in there is the ordinance to be

[1:17:37] approved okay

[1:17:39] and you're basing the changes on just

[1:17:40] bringing

[1:17:42] the terminology to current compared to

[1:17:45] the paper copies and that type of stuff

[1:17:47] before

[1:17:48] right previously it

[1:17:52] they tried to limit it to or

[1:17:55] only have the larger plats come in for a

[1:17:57] pre-planning conference

[1:17:59] staff would and recommend that

[1:18:02] we have everyone that wants to come in

[1:18:04] and do a subdivision to come through and

[1:18:06] do that to pre-planning conference

[1:18:07] trying to help

[1:18:09] get any questions answered quicker and

[1:18:12] get them through that uh

[1:18:14] process a little bit smoother on their

[1:18:15] end

[1:18:17] so regardless of the size of the

[1:18:18] development correct okay let's say be it

[1:18:20] uh four lot subdivision or four thousand

[1:18:22] lots of division

[1:18:24] we would still like to have them come in

[1:18:25] and talk to us before they go through

[1:18:27] this

[1:18:27] through their effort so they get a full

[1:18:30] pictures of what's necessary

[1:18:33] and it did a

[1:18:37] lot of the cleanup on

[1:18:40] you know having to submit 20 copies

[1:18:42] paper copies

[1:18:44] everything's done electronically now

[1:18:47] updating that are you able to go through

[1:18:51] from

[1:18:51] the first one and just say what was

[1:18:54] you know i see you have the red here but

[1:18:57] we're not looking at it here so

[1:18:59] are you able to kind of go through and

[1:19:00] walk us through it all right

[1:19:04] the pre-planning conference again that

[1:19:06] goes through wanting to have

[1:19:08] every plat that's uh

[1:19:12] to come through to have that sit down

[1:19:14] with the staff to go through

[1:19:16] the process get them familiar with it

[1:19:20] in this it gave a recommendation as to

[1:19:23] what they would have

[1:19:24] if they were to bring a drawing to that

[1:19:28] uh

[1:19:29] meeting a requirement that they do we

[1:19:31] just thought it'd be easier just clean

[1:19:32] it up

[1:19:33] then bring something or bring whatever

[1:19:34] they're going to bring

[1:19:36] there's not a requirement to bring

[1:19:37] anything at all they won't bring

[1:19:39] anything at all it'll just be a

[1:19:41] discussion is what's going on so we

[1:19:44] cleaned up the took out all that

[1:19:46] additional requirements there

[1:19:51] this uh the next one for preliminary

[1:19:53] plat looked at

[1:19:55] changing it to the electronic digital

[1:20:02] copies

[1:20:04] just cleaned up some language with the

[1:20:06] layout of the streets and general

[1:20:07] dimensions

[1:20:09] uh appropriate grades so yeah for most

[1:20:12] of uh

[1:20:13] our area grades are not that much of an

[1:20:15] issue out there

[1:20:16] if you start getting to uh more hilly

[1:20:18] country that's where you'd be

[1:20:19] a lot more concerned about cuts and

[1:20:21] fills and again

[1:20:22] with this looking at just a preliminary

[1:20:25] or just a

[1:20:26] initial layout on that they'll get into

[1:20:28] the more defined

[1:20:30] engineering and say move forward with

[1:20:32] the project so it'd be a little

[1:20:34] premature to

[1:20:35] have that required at that point in time

[1:20:40] again with phasing i'll say they'll do

[1:20:43] it with a lot

[1:20:44] it'll give us the information there's

[1:20:46] nothing there that's holding them to it

[1:20:47] so why have it included so you want to

[1:20:49] inspect that portion of it

[1:20:59] and was it uh for this number five this

[1:21:01] is where we cleaned up or just made it

[1:21:03] more

[1:21:04] explicit that uh folks are able to do a

[1:21:07] preliminary and a final

[1:21:08] at the same time excuse me one second

[1:21:11] cheryl

[1:21:12] if you look at this thing here it shows

[1:21:15] you what he's crossed out

[1:21:17] we don't have that no i do i know

[1:21:21] the girls don't have them yeah here's

[1:21:23] the desk over there okay

[1:21:24] that's understandable so um

[1:21:28] could we stop on that number five for a

[1:21:29] minute did the planning and zoning talk

[1:21:32] about because that's obviously

[1:21:34] you know that kind of is what spurred

[1:21:35] this whole thing um

[1:21:37] approving the preliminary in the final

[1:21:39] at the same time

[1:21:41] was there any discussion by the planning

[1:21:43] and zoning board on

[1:21:45] how that looks uh

[1:21:49] there was not a lot of discussion on

[1:21:51] that as it uh

[1:21:52] in that they know that if they don't to

[1:21:56] approve

[1:21:57] even though they may both be presented

[1:21:58] they can approve one and not

[1:22:00] the preliminary not the final or they

[1:22:02] can decide not to recommend either

[1:22:04] as well so they have because of the word

[1:22:06] may they have the option of

[1:22:07] doing none both or one or the other

[1:22:12] right and say regardless of

[1:22:15] any of the other they've got that

[1:22:17] authority too i i have a question

[1:22:20] concerning the elementary and final

[1:22:22] plaque being approved

[1:22:24] at the same time uh

[1:22:27] a couple developments that we have going

[1:22:30] on

[1:22:32] we had neighborhoods that had questions

[1:22:35] about that

[1:22:36] very thing the preliminary and the final

[1:22:38] plot being approved

[1:22:41] at the same time uh you know it

[1:22:44] they called and voiced their opposition

[1:22:47] to this

[1:22:49] and i just don't what what is

[1:22:54] a good reason to do them at the same

[1:22:57] time

[1:22:59] it's done at the request of the

[1:23:01] developer if they have a timing

[1:23:05] a concern on their side in order to get

[1:23:07] a development uh

[1:23:08] moving forward at the speed that they

[1:23:09] would like to again this is all

[1:23:11] their request for the developer correct

[1:23:15] but my thoughts are i also like to know

[1:23:19] and hear from the neighborhoods

[1:23:23] if they are opposed to anything

[1:23:26] concerning the development and if you

[1:23:29] push the preliminary and final

[1:23:31] to be accepted at the same time it is not a benefit to

[1:23:39] the citizens and as far as the developer

[1:23:42] i mean is that or planning for or their

[1:23:45] part

[1:23:46] trying to push it through as quick as

[1:23:48] possible i mean if they're planning on

[1:23:50] developing

[1:23:51] something surely they have a little

[1:23:54] leeway

[1:23:55] between the final the preliminary and

[1:23:57] the final before it gets down to the end

[1:23:59] and say we got to do it now we gotta

[1:24:01] or we can't do it i it just seems like

[1:24:03] needs to be better planning on their

[1:24:05] part

[1:24:06] i'd like to see that not happen i like

[1:24:08] to see the preliminary approved

[1:24:11] and if there's any questions that

[1:24:12] anybody has then they see

[1:24:14] that they can come and ask them

[1:24:16] questions on the preliminary

[1:24:18] and i'm sure they could on the

[1:24:19] preliminary final

[1:24:21] but i just feel like we're trying to

[1:24:23] push something through

[1:24:25] and and we've seen citizens upset with

[1:24:29] this action so i would like to see

[1:24:33] a the time between the preliminary and

[1:24:36] the final

[1:24:37] left alone and what what is it now is it

[1:24:39] 10 days or

[1:24:40] 21 days what is it right now

[1:24:44] at the option of the city commission

[1:24:46] they are still able to

[1:24:48] approve a preliminary and a final at the

[1:24:50] same time i understand that but what i'm

[1:24:52] saying is

[1:24:53] for the benefit of the neighborhoods

[1:24:56] that might be opposed to this it seems

[1:24:58] like we're pushing something

[1:25:00] through too fast and i agree with them

[1:25:03] i don't understand why we can't do a

[1:25:05] plumbing area

[1:25:07] give it a few days and then do the final

[1:25:10] i don't i don't understand

[1:25:16] [Music]

[1:25:23] we are not the only community there are

[1:25:24] quite a number that do it

[1:25:26] looking up joplin they've got that

[1:25:28] option as well

[1:25:29] to do the preliminary and final at the

[1:25:31] same time

[1:25:33] as the schedule county wichita area

[1:25:35] there's quite a number of areas that do

[1:25:37] have it explicitly written out in there

[1:25:40] and many of the communities that say you

[1:25:42] do one than the other

[1:25:43] there's still always that option to do

[1:25:46] them both at the same time

[1:25:47] and there are cases where they are done

[1:25:49] at the same time even when they do say

[1:25:51] that

[1:25:52] they would like to see the preliminary

[1:25:54] and then the final account at a

[1:25:55] different time

[1:25:56] again it uh the choice of uh

[1:26:00] you know the city commission if it comes

[1:26:02] to you

[1:26:03] there's always that option to deny it if

[1:26:07] you so choose

[1:26:08] or deny approve part evidence in part of

[1:26:10] the day

[1:26:12] you don't have to approve both

[1:26:13] elevations we already have that it's not

[1:26:16] mandated that it has to happen it's just

[1:26:17] giving us

[1:26:18] you the option of making it happen if

[1:26:20] you think you

[1:26:21] have got enough input on it and you want

[1:26:22] to move it forward correct

[1:26:24] and the citizens can come to their

[1:26:26] council meeting as well well

[1:26:28] yeah the way i would envision it is if they did bring it forward

[1:26:31] together and the citizens came up and

[1:26:33] said hey we've got real issues and we

[1:26:34] haven't had

[1:26:35] the due process which i think was the

[1:26:37] initial the initial problem

[1:26:38] that the mayor's referring to then you

[1:26:41] guys can redirect it and say well

[1:26:42] you need to get out because one thing

[1:26:44] we've been clear about is

[1:26:46] you need to go out and meet with the

[1:26:47] citizens like we did on east quincy

[1:26:50] months before you start ripping into

[1:26:51] their street and pairing things up and

[1:26:53] we've learned that lesson this just

[1:26:54] gives us the ability to move it forward

[1:26:57] if it comes down to financing or some

[1:26:59] other circumstances where

[1:27:01] um it needs to happen and you're all

[1:27:02] comfortable with it and so are the

[1:27:03] citizens

[1:27:04] you know it's two or three lots i mean

[1:27:06] you know the examples we've been talking

[1:27:08] about are

[1:27:08] you know multiple lots of it if it's a

[1:27:10] development with you know before

[1:27:12] the citizen did come to a commission

[1:27:14] meeting both times

[1:27:16] and ghosts are our opposition to this

[1:27:19] preliminary

[1:27:20] and final being uh approved at the same

[1:27:24] time

[1:27:25] we heard from them but unfortunately

[1:27:29] we went ahead and proved it anyway so

[1:27:31] you know

[1:27:32] uh i think they felt like

[1:27:35] they really didn't have a voice in it

[1:27:37] they they came and approached their

[1:27:38] opposition but we did it anyway so

[1:27:41] i just feel like democracy you know

[1:27:43] maybe we should

[1:27:44] give it a little separation in between

[1:27:49] as we've said we have the right to not past that if it comes before us

[1:27:55] yeah but we can so we never have well

[1:27:57] but whose fault is that yeah but

[1:28:00] in all due respect we need to know the

[1:28:03] rules and regulations that are set forth

[1:28:06] already as far as

[1:28:07] subdivision rules and regulations

[1:28:09] because in july we

[1:28:11] it was a three to two vote against our

[1:28:14] own rules and regulations so

[1:28:16] i'd like to see it separated on the

[1:28:19] final and preliminary

[1:28:21] engine what did we what did july 28th

[1:28:24] before

[1:28:24] creekside east

[1:28:28] when we had boys from deer run the

[1:28:31] people came

[1:28:32] and the vote would have been

[1:28:35] if you vote to approve you were voting

[1:28:37] against your rules and regulations that

[1:28:40] were already in place

[1:28:41] and vote against was it was a three to

[1:28:44] two vote

[1:28:47] i said the rules are set up for you to

[1:28:49] be able to approve both at the same time

[1:28:51] currently

[1:28:52] it wasn't against the rules and rights

[1:28:54] it was against our usual procedures

[1:29:00] i think i'd like to make a motion to

[1:29:04] um tablet and more

[1:29:07] information i'll second it specifically

[1:29:10] what are you looking for cheryl

[1:29:12] in terms of more information what are

[1:29:14] you looking for well

[1:29:16] for one we need to be more informed on

[1:29:19] the rules and regulations of the

[1:29:20] subdivision

[1:29:21] because there is very little discussion

[1:29:23] at pnc

[1:29:25] and i do not feel like that

[1:29:28] it was discussed to a thorough

[1:29:32] extent okay so if we if we bring it back what are

[1:29:38] you looking forward to bring back

[1:29:40] what what what does camera need to do is

[1:29:43] there

[1:29:43] just okay more time i want to see it

[1:29:45] okay then i want to see

[1:29:46] the copy of the reports that you put

[1:29:48] together to make the decisions

[1:29:50] that you're doing right now and i i

[1:29:53] think there needs to be more discussion

[1:29:54] about it

[1:29:57] because i've been to every pnc meeting

[1:30:00] for the past

[1:30:01] two and a half years and during this

[1:30:04] time when this was all being discussed

[1:30:06] there was very little discussion it was

[1:30:09] like

[1:30:10] you know that and they would go through

[1:30:13] it

[1:30:14] but nobody talked about it the how the

[1:30:16] whys and

[1:30:17] how comes so and when it comes down to

[1:30:20] the preliminary and the final plaid i do

[1:30:23] not believe that you should run them

[1:30:25] both

[1:30:25] through at the same time because you

[1:30:28] know

[1:30:29] lack of planning on a developer's part

[1:30:31] at some times to rush it through because

[1:30:33] weather's coming or otherwise there is a

[1:30:35] process and we need to follow it and i i believe

[1:30:39] that the preliminary needs to come

[1:30:41] through first

[1:30:42] and then i don't know right now right

[1:30:45] off top my head it was

[1:30:47] what 21 days later the final if

[1:30:50] everything's in place

[1:30:51] and it's all you know proper

[1:30:54] and it follows the rules and regulations

[1:30:56] i have no problem with

[1:30:58] going through with it but uh and you

[1:31:01] know as far as cleaning up the wording

[1:31:02] to bring it to up to speed

[1:31:04] that i'm okay with but i'm not okay with the final and the preliminary plan

[1:31:09] being approved at the same time so is

[1:31:11] tabling it going to change that yeah

[1:31:13] why shouldn't you just take the vote if

[1:31:14] you're if you're not if you're against

[1:31:16] that

[1:31:16] is there if there's nothing well i mean

[1:31:18] do you want to make it better

[1:31:19] or do you want to just run it through

[1:31:22] like then and then worry about it later

[1:31:24] that was what happened in

[1:31:25] july we voted for it and we're going to

[1:31:29] change it later

[1:31:30] so why don't we do it the right way the

[1:31:33] first time

[1:31:34] and then prove it well i think that i

[1:31:36] think it's just a matter of

[1:31:39] being a forwarder against the opinion of

[1:31:40] the board was it is better this is the

[1:31:42] final version what you're saying

[1:31:44] is well you don't like that they're

[1:31:45] separated but if you can't there's nothing cameron

[1:31:49] can do to unchain i mean

[1:31:51] right now the recommendation is they're

[1:31:52] separated so if you don't like it maybe

[1:31:54] it's because the opinion of the board

[1:31:56] was

[1:31:56] nobody said anything at all so you want

[1:31:59] him back go back so that's the board

[1:32:01] meeting

[1:32:01] well i just one i thought there would be

[1:32:04] more discussion about it because

[1:32:05] frankly i would like to know that more

[1:32:08] people have

[1:32:09] if you're on that board you need to know

[1:32:11] the rules and regulations of

[1:32:12] subdivisions

[1:32:13] so you know i know you do but you have

[1:32:16] these people that's the most important

[1:32:18] board

[1:32:18] we have do you have any comment on why

[1:32:21] the board

[1:32:22] didn't discuss it more was it i don't

[1:32:24] know if the board

[1:32:25] again i can't uh make people talk if

[1:32:28] they don't want to talk i

[1:32:29] i'm not going to give them a quiz how

[1:32:31] much they understand or don't understand

[1:32:33] what's going on through there

[1:32:34] all i can do is respond to what

[1:32:36] questions they had on it

[1:32:38] there were the marked up versions that

[1:32:40] were sent out in the

[1:32:41] packets and they were also available

[1:32:43] that day for anyone that came in

[1:32:45] and i don't i say i can't uh tell you i

[1:32:48] can

[1:32:48] only speculate and i don't want to do

[1:32:50] that okay

[1:32:52] well you're not every board member's not gonna be an expert in every piece of

[1:32:56] this you've got a plumber you've got it

[1:32:57] you've got a mechanical engineer you've

[1:32:58] got a contractor

[1:33:00] you've got an electrician now you have

[1:33:02] an architect which is wrong

[1:33:04] robin that's a separate board okay

[1:33:10] so uh if we table this i guess uh that's

[1:33:14] just

[1:33:15] twofold maybe bringing back the original

[1:33:18] with the markup so we know it's changed

[1:33:20] and two just really giving people more

[1:33:21] time to think

[1:33:23] no more discussion on their part

[1:33:26] because they so you're recommending that

[1:33:29] it goes back to planning and zoning for

[1:33:30] further discussion

[1:33:31] yes okay

[1:33:36] so um there's a motion on the table i

[1:33:39] don't yeah i mean that sounds good but

[1:33:41] that's not very i mean if your plans and

[1:33:42] zoning they're gonna

[1:33:44] we need to either direct them or maybe

[1:33:46] what i would recommend was since it

[1:33:48] already made it up here

[1:33:49] and what we're missing is the redline

[1:33:51] version which you brought up because

[1:33:52] you're like

[1:33:52] i'm seeing this for the first time what

[1:33:54] if we held it

[1:33:56] it's part of the public record anybody

[1:33:58] that sees it that wants to comment on it

[1:34:00] just like they didn't do it public at

[1:34:02] the plans and zoning

[1:34:04] can can come back to our next meeting in

[1:34:06] january and say

[1:34:07] well hey i've got here's my thoughts on

[1:34:08] it i don't know that going back to that

[1:34:10] board

[1:34:11] is going to do anything except have them

[1:34:13] go why

[1:34:14] what have they need to have a

[1:34:16] conversation why don't we just have that

[1:34:17] conversation

[1:34:18] up here in a month is that more is that

[1:34:20] work for you

[1:34:21] yeah and then that way we can get cheryl

[1:34:23] the red line version which i think

[1:34:25] is is a very good suggestion because i

[1:34:28] mean how do you know it changed if you don't

[1:34:30] see what was cut out and what words have

[1:34:31] changed

[1:34:32] so and is there some critical need to do

[1:34:33] it today versus

[1:34:35] no there's not it was just a desire to

[1:34:37] get it back for the group and

[1:34:38] again i said we weren't trying to hide

[1:34:40] what it was

[1:34:42] rather than have three different

[1:34:43] versions that you're voting on we wanted

[1:34:45] to have here's the ordinance

[1:34:47] and it was part of the planning and

[1:34:48] zoning packet

[1:34:51] so if we table this and bring it back

[1:34:54] will

[1:34:55] developers that develop

[1:34:58] properties in pittsburgh will they be at

[1:35:01] this meeting so we could ask their

[1:35:03] thoughts

[1:35:03] on what they might have uh

[1:35:07] advice on the preliminary and final

[1:35:10] being approved at the same time i'd like

[1:35:12] to hear from people that have done

[1:35:14] developments and what they

[1:35:16] did in the past and what their thoughts

[1:35:19] for the future is

[1:35:20] if that's what well well you need to be

[1:35:22] careful mayor because we can't just have

[1:35:23] a meeting where everybody's

[1:35:24] having a conversation i think it's all

[1:35:26] about procedure and following

[1:35:28] the state of kansas rules and

[1:35:29] regulations what should happen in the

[1:35:31] next month

[1:35:32] is for you all to go back to the people

[1:35:34] that have an issue with it or

[1:35:36] read the red line and come back as board

[1:35:38] members

[1:35:39] with your concerns and then the five of

[1:35:41] you discuss it but i mean otherwise

[1:35:44] i don't see any there's no mechanism to

[1:35:46] have just an open meeting by everybody

[1:35:48] at the town hall

[1:35:49] so we can talk to other developers and

[1:35:52] see

[1:35:53] what they think and kind of get a little

[1:35:55] bit more

[1:35:56] educated ourselves on yeah what would be

[1:35:59] real helpful is what you get

[1:36:01] give it to staff so they have a chance

[1:36:03] to have a real discussion with you

[1:36:04] rather than just you

[1:36:05] unloading in a month a bunch of

[1:36:07] information

[1:36:09] yeah and we're here i mean we're here if you want to come

[1:36:14] into city hall and sit down with cameron

[1:36:16] and walk through what you've got at the

[1:36:17] beginning of january whenever

[1:36:18] let's do that instead of just trying to

[1:36:20] but asking people's opinion is not what

[1:36:23] i'm i'm talking

[1:36:24] about right it's what you know er like

[1:36:26] to get a driver's license

[1:36:28] you have to follow the rules you have to

[1:36:30] take the driving test you have to take

[1:36:31] the written test and

[1:36:32] go from there that's what i'm talking

[1:36:34] about as far as this

[1:36:36] so when it gets down to that final and

[1:36:37] preliminary i just don't feel like they

[1:36:39] should be ran through at the same time

[1:36:41] and there is

[1:36:42] rules for that so so really it boils

[1:36:45] down to a difference of your interpretation and right the

[1:36:50] in there i think the 10 days that you're

[1:36:52] talking about that is 10 days for them

[1:36:54] to have the final plat

[1:36:56] in advance of the planning commission

[1:36:58] meeting

[1:36:59] it's not 10 days after the approval

[1:37:03] of the preliminary plat before you can

[1:37:05] submit

[1:37:06] it's only that the penny commission

[1:37:08] needs to have the final plat

[1:37:10] in hand 10 days before the meeting date

[1:37:14] during all those meetings ever that i've

[1:37:17] sat

[1:37:17] in on you can tell the guys or

[1:37:20] the developers who come in who have

[1:37:23] their ducks in line

[1:37:25] you know their paperwork is good they're

[1:37:28] everything is to the t then there's the

[1:37:30] ones who don't that look

[1:37:32] like they're rushing through it and

[1:37:34] that's that's what i'm talking about

[1:37:36] is staying true to the rules and

[1:37:38] regulations because

[1:37:39] you get the whole the whole spectrum

[1:37:42] there so

[1:37:43] that's that's just my thoughts why don't

[1:37:45] we just well it seems to me like

[1:37:47] we have uh the issue that you have

[1:37:50] is not doing the initial and the final

[1:37:53] together

[1:37:55] we already have the legal

[1:38:00] recourse so that doesn't happen

[1:38:04] the five of us do

[1:38:08] so what's the difference well i think

[1:38:10] just as a courtesy to

[1:38:12] madam president of the board that we

[1:38:14] should table for a month

[1:38:16] and she should spend some time with

[1:38:17] staff getting comfortable with this

[1:38:18] because it sounds like she has some real

[1:38:19] questions or you can just call for the

[1:38:20] vote today

[1:38:21] but i think that's what i'm hearing you

[1:38:23] have emotion on the table there's been a motion by sheryl and the

[1:38:26] second if i mean to table it

[1:38:28] until when first meeting in january

[1:38:32] yeah i mean that's like it's up to you

[1:38:35] yeah

[1:38:36] that's a month yeah so

[1:38:39] all in favor say aye all right all right

[1:38:42] all of

[1:38:42] the same signs so we will table this so

[1:38:45] cheryl

[1:38:45] i would encourage you to meet with staff

[1:38:47] absolutely so

[1:38:50] thank you thanks cameron thank you

[1:38:57] item h ordinance number s

[1:39:00] 1076 consider approval of ordinance

[1:39:04] number

[1:39:05] s 1076 fixing the salary and

[1:39:08] compensation

[1:39:09] of the officers employees of the city of

[1:39:12] pittsburgh kansas

[1:39:15] good evening congratulations mayor

[1:39:17] commissioners

[1:39:18] um so thank you for supporting our staff

[1:39:21] and all the hard work that's being done

[1:39:22] around the city

[1:39:24] in your november meeting you approved a

[1:39:26] two percent cost of living adjustment

[1:39:29] and we adjusted the salary ordinance

[1:39:31] accordingly on the minimum and maximum

[1:39:33] ranges

[1:39:36] so i have a question for you henry

[1:39:40] is there any way there's a section of

[1:39:42] this ordinance

[1:39:43] that i am not comfortable with

[1:39:46] and i've stated that last year

[1:39:50] so is there something that we can uh

[1:39:54] amend of this ordinance or we have to

[1:39:58] just follow what the ordinance says

[1:40:02] what is the amendment the the thing that

[1:40:05] i'm having trouble with employee

[1:40:08] section c city manager's authority

[1:40:12] employees salaries and wages may be

[1:40:15] increased by the city manager

[1:40:17] at a reasonable interviews intervals

[1:40:20] until the maximum amount is

[1:40:22] reached and may be allowed and paid from

[1:40:25] time to time

[1:40:27] the issue i have with it we budget for

[1:40:30] city employees raises

[1:40:31] every two years it's usually a two

[1:40:34] percent raise

[1:40:36] it's a morale issue

[1:40:39] when employees can receive

[1:40:44] raises when we don't budget them every

[1:40:48] other

[1:40:48] every two years and i would just like to

[1:40:52] see that portion removed if that's

[1:40:55] possible

[1:40:59] i mean if you know you'd have to call

[1:41:02] for a

[1:41:04] revote and move to amend

[1:41:08] that portion or to

[1:41:13] delete that that portion or

[1:41:17] just disapprove the the ordinance and

[1:41:20] i mean those are the options that you have when you

[1:41:24] consider an ordinance all right then i

[1:41:27] make a motion

[1:41:29] may i say something please go ahead so

[1:41:32] these

[1:41:32] intervals that you're talking about um

[1:41:35] our employees work really hard some of

[1:41:37] them get certifications so that

[1:41:39] i'm not talking about that but that's

[1:41:41] what's included in this no

[1:41:42] that's on down that's on down nothing

[1:41:45] not just the incentives

[1:41:47] if someone gets a promotion that doesn't

[1:41:49] happen at one finite time

[1:41:51] and so if people aren't allowed to get

[1:41:53] any in incremental increases or

[1:41:56] paid increases outside of your proven a

[1:41:59] cost of living

[1:42:00] adjustment that's really going to hurt

[1:42:01] morale i have employees coming to talk

[1:42:03] to me

[1:42:04] every day because they are underpaid we

[1:42:07] need a compensation study to really look

[1:42:09] at that

[1:42:10] we're not competitive in the market

[1:42:11] that's making our job difficult

[1:42:13] to get quality employees and to retain

[1:42:15] them

[1:42:16] the turnover is ramping up right now

[1:42:18] because people are pretty upset about

[1:42:20] being paid low

[1:42:21] and that's not the city manager's fault

[1:42:23] it's just based on

[1:42:24] our compensation structure and the

[1:42:26] salary ordinance a salary study hasn't

[1:42:28] been done for 15 years

[1:42:30] so we really need to look at those

[1:42:32] things please before you make this

[1:42:33] motion and recommend it

[1:42:35] i'm respectfully asking how long did you

[1:42:38] say it's been since

[1:42:38] 15 years 15 years yes sir thank you a

[1:42:41] long time

[1:42:43] and i understand what you're saying and

[1:42:45] it but

[1:42:46] it had nothing to do with promotions

[1:42:49] being paid for certifications or

[1:42:51] education

[1:42:52] it's for for employees that basically

[1:42:56] are doing the same job but sometimes

[1:42:59] they just have their

[1:43:00] title change a little bit so that's my

[1:43:01] issue but

[1:43:04] if if we don't remove

[1:43:07] part of that that i would like to remove

[1:43:10] that's fine also i just won't vote for

[1:43:12] it

[1:43:13] that's my uh that's my choice now that

[1:43:16] i mentioned the salary ordinance

[1:43:19] and study and i'm talking about the low

[1:43:21] end of the

[1:43:22] employment scale yes because we have a

[1:43:25] lot of

[1:43:26] very capable knowledgeable

[1:43:29] uh dedicated employees that see what's

[1:43:33] going on

[1:43:34] and they're at the low end so it is a

[1:43:36] morale

[1:43:37] issue with these people at the low end

[1:43:39] that only get a raise

[1:43:41] every couple of years so i'm talking for

[1:43:44] these people

[1:43:45] so so am i well that's fine well i mean

[1:43:49] the city manager is responsible for

[1:43:51] ultimately responsible for recruitment

[1:43:53] and retention

[1:43:54] and we have to provide some um

[1:43:58] leverage we have to provide some

[1:44:00] authority to recruit and retain and it

[1:44:02] doesn't always come

[1:44:03] when you hire somebody or you know when

[1:44:05] they're evaluated

[1:44:07] so to to eliminate this

[1:44:10] and tie their hands is really um a

[1:44:12] detrimental to

[1:44:14] us being able to get qualified employees

[1:44:16] i understand

[1:44:18] it it takes away an incentive for an

[1:44:19] employee to take it away i think since

[1:44:21] i'm the one being i mean the idea that

[1:44:23] we would change somebody's title

[1:44:25] and give them more money when they don't

[1:44:26] take on more duties

[1:44:28] is ludicrous that doesn't happen and

[1:44:30] that's a real in saying that in a public

[1:44:31] meeting

[1:44:32] after everything that i've done for all

[1:44:34] of the employees without a specific

[1:44:36] example

[1:44:37] um is unfair to the employees because

[1:44:39] it's going to leave them

[1:44:40] with the idea that that is going on and

[1:44:43] that is

[1:44:43] absolutely what is not going on at the

[1:44:45] city of pittsburgh

[1:44:46] and i would like to have an example of

[1:44:49] something like that if you're going to

[1:44:50] throw it out in a meeting because

[1:44:51] we do have employees that have been here

[1:44:54] for 15 and 20 years

[1:44:56] that for whatever reason aren't the low

[1:44:57] end of the pay scale probably because we

[1:44:59] haven't done a pay study

[1:45:01] and we have tried in every case every

[1:45:03] paf that comes in front of me

[1:45:05] we've gone out of our way to find a way

[1:45:07] to pay them more so a removing this

[1:45:09] would be a huge mistake because you

[1:45:11] would be back to colas and b

[1:45:14] i can't think of one example of an

[1:45:16] employee that we have ever just given

[1:45:18] money

[1:45:19] um because we somehow thought that they

[1:45:21] needed more money

[1:45:23] everybody that works at the city needs

[1:45:25] more money

[1:45:26] and we have prom we've put together a

[1:45:28] complete new class and pay system in the last five

[1:45:32] years that adds steps

[1:45:34] so people can move up at whatever level

[1:45:36] of the organization

[1:45:38] based on how long they've been here but

[1:45:39] the idea that we just hand out

[1:45:41] raises to people with title changes

[1:45:44] is is not accurate you know we don't

[1:45:46] have

[1:45:48] only a retention issue at the bottom of

[1:45:52] the room

[1:45:53] you can have it at the top of the room

[1:45:55] too

[1:45:56] and that's that's important to keep them

[1:45:59] both

[1:46:02] we need more pay commissioner brooks and

[1:46:05] i had a great conversation at the end of

[1:46:06] the last meeting

[1:46:07] and she she kind of nudged me and said

[1:46:10] hey you know we need we need we've got

[1:46:11] employees you know we need to keep them

[1:46:12] and i'm like

[1:46:13] well we absolutely need to keep them but

[1:46:16] um

[1:46:16] this isn't mcdonald's uh we don't get to

[1:46:19] raise the price of a cheeseburger if we

[1:46:20] want every minimum wage goes up

[1:46:23] you've got to increase the taxes or

[1:46:25] you've got to take something off the

[1:46:26] table

[1:46:26] and i guarantee you the 300 employees

[1:46:28] that we have

[1:46:29] punch above their weight every day and

[1:46:32] do more than a community this size

[1:46:34] anywhere in the state and probably

[1:46:35] across the country and

[1:46:37] right now we're at about a 40 payroll of

[1:46:40] our overall costs and that's a lot

[1:46:42] and so we were talking about without

[1:46:44] putting you in the unfortunate situation

[1:46:46] of

[1:46:47] uh raising taxes which i know everybody

[1:46:49] in the community is screaming let's

[1:46:50] increase property taxes

[1:46:52] um that was facetious they haven't

[1:46:55] called me on that we have some real

[1:46:56] issues which is why we're trying to grow

[1:46:58] the town

[1:46:59] and why we're trying to look at other

[1:47:00] opportunities to create more wealth

[1:47:02] because people need more money and we

[1:47:04] are always losing employees

[1:47:06] from utilities from streets from police

[1:47:08] and fire every day

[1:47:09] because they can go to olathe or

[1:47:11] somewhere else and get that job

[1:47:13] and get that more money and and it's

[1:47:14] tough to do when

[1:47:17] i i don't ever want to say it but you

[1:47:20] know we're one of the poor communities

[1:47:22] in the state of kansas

[1:47:23] our taxes just generate what they do and

[1:47:25] we tried through benefits

[1:47:27] and quality of life and the purchases of

[1:47:30] equipment that you all make for the

[1:47:31] employees

[1:47:32] and the safety training we give them to

[1:47:34] keep their costs down and when they do

[1:47:36] get a two percent raise which is

[1:47:38] um every other year if we're lucky they

[1:47:40] feel that two percent raise because it's

[1:47:42] not absorbed by

[1:47:43] a copay increase or another health

[1:47:45] insurance increase somewhere else

[1:47:47] but we are definitely up against it

[1:47:50] because we have individuals

[1:47:51] and we all know who the employees in

[1:47:53] this city are how hard they work

[1:47:56] and you know the private sector they can

[1:47:59] make a ton more money and even in some

[1:48:00] other communities and so

[1:48:02] it's a real issue and we wanted to do

[1:48:03] the pace study this year and the

[1:48:05] pandemic hit and we put it off

[1:48:06] we think it's going to be about 100

[1:48:08] grand um but it needs to happen because

[1:48:12] you have you know how do you eat an

[1:48:13] elephant a bite at a time we need to

[1:48:15] start addressing it

[1:48:16] but i do think the taking away the

[1:48:18] ability to give

[1:48:20] people raises as they promote up and get

[1:48:22] certifications and take on more responsibilities would

[1:48:25] be uh going backwards for the

[1:48:27] organization

[1:48:29] baron you're is 40 of the budget

[1:48:33] it's right there right at it and see a

[1:48:35] lot of private industries labor's 20

[1:48:37] percent

[1:48:38] you know so it's a big big load the

[1:48:41] labor is

[1:48:41] and jamie always reminded me what

[1:48:44] personnel and i'm like hey i'm not

[1:48:45] complaining

[1:48:46] man i'm ready to give everybody a 25

[1:48:48] raise right now but

[1:48:49] unless you guys are all ready to raise

[1:48:51] taxes 13 it's not going to happen

[1:48:53] so we've got to do better we are working

[1:48:55] on a lot but um you know taking out the ability

[1:49:00] to give people raises during the year 12

[1:49:02] months is a long time a lot happens

[1:49:04] and i think that would be a definite hit

[1:49:06] on morale

[1:49:09] i make a motion to approve ordinance

[1:49:11] number

[1:49:12] s 1076. my second there's been a motion

[1:49:15] to approve in a second all in favor say

[1:49:18] aye all opposed same sign

[1:49:22] thank you thank you thanks michelle

[1:49:34] an executive session an executive

[1:49:37] session is necessary to discuss personal

[1:49:39] matters of non-elected personnel

[1:49:41] pursuant to kansas

[1:49:42] ksa 75-43199

[1:49:47] b-1 to discuss the 2020 evaluation

[1:49:51] and 2021 employment terms and conditions

[1:49:55] for the city manager i'm looking for a

[1:49:58] motion to recess into executive sessions

[1:50:00] for 45 minutes to discuss

[1:50:03] the 2020 evaluation and 2021 employment

[1:50:06] terms and conditions

[1:50:09] for the city manager pursuant to the

[1:50:11] non-elected

[1:50:12] personnel exception under ksa

[1:50:19] 754319b1

[1:50:21] with the meeting to resume in the

[1:50:23] commission room in 45 minutes

[1:50:25] patrick's made a motion is there a

[1:50:27] second second

[1:50:29] then a motion by patrick seconded by

[1:50:32] larry

[1:50:33] we will all in favor say aye

[1:50:37] will we recess for executive session for

[1:50:40] 45 minutes

[2:36:42] [Music]

[2:36:43] all right we're back from recess wait a

[2:36:45] minute

[2:36:47] it's not red it doesn't have the light

[2:36:49] have to be red

[2:36:51] alive again i don't know or does it

[2:36:54] henry

[2:36:55] we're good

[2:36:59] all right we're back from recess uh an

[2:37:02] executive session

[2:37:04] and no votes for cast no decisions were

[2:37:08] made

[2:37:09] but we need an additional 15 minutes

[2:37:12] one executive session is necessary to

[2:37:15] discuss personal matters of non-elected

[2:37:17] personnel

[2:37:18] pursuant to ksa 75-4319-b-1

[2:37:24] to discuss the 2020 evaluation 2020

[2:37:27] employment terms and conditions for

[2:37:29] city manager motion to recess an

[2:37:32] executive session for

[2:37:34] an additional 15 minutes to discuss the

[2:37:36] 2020 evaluation of

[2:37:38] 2021 employment terms and conditions for

[2:37:41] the city manager

[2:37:42] pursuant to the non-elected personnel

[2:37:45] exemption

[2:37:46] exception under ksa 75-4319

[2:37:52] b-1 with the meeting to resume in the

[2:37:55] commission room

[2:37:56] in 45 in 15 minutes is there a motion

[2:37:59] for the additional 15 minutes executive

[2:38:01] session

[2:38:02] make a motion been moved and seconded

[2:38:06] all in favor say aye aye we are recess for an additional

[2:38:10] 15 minutes

[2:38:11] executing session

[2:49:24] darren's fix my table was wobbly

[2:49:36] usually it's hot in here but tonight

[2:49:38] it's not

[2:49:40] all right we're back from recess into

[2:49:43] his epic sessions

[2:49:46] no those were cast no decisions were

[2:49:48] made

[2:49:52] looking for money looking

[2:49:59] [Music]

[2:50:06] candy

City Commission Meeting - 12-15-2020

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