[0:00] Item 22, fiscal year 2026, 2027 budget discussions,

[0:03] preliminary five-year capital improvement plan

[0:06] and fleet replacement.

[0:10] So Robin's going to get the PowerPoint set up.

[0:12] Perfect.

[0:14] And nothing like starting after 9:00 on a budget

[0:17] conversation. You can feel the energy in the room from

[0:20] the department heads. Here, everybody can't wait to get into this.

[0:23] This just to start while she's getting it set up.

[0:25] So this is the traditional start of the budget process

[0:28] for us. So we always start with capital.

[0:34] And then we bring capital to you first, and then

[0:36] in July we come back with the operating, with all the

[0:39] departments, the total budget when we set the Max Millage.

[0:41] One of the reasons that we do that is that we don't

[0:43] have all the revenue sources known yet at this point.

[0:45] We do have a preliminary tax roll information,

[0:48] but we don't get final until July.

[0:50] And then state revenues, in addition to that,

[0:52] account for a good bit of our funding.

[0:54] More than half the general fund actually comes from other state

[0:56] revenue sources

[0:58] and we generally don't know those until later in July.

[1:01] But it's important to bring capital to you. It is the

[1:03] largest chunk of your budget outside of your personnel cost.

[1:06] And it's one where you probably have the most ability to

[1:09] to really control and shape your budget.

[1:11] So you make decisions on either construction projects

[1:13] or large pieces of equipment that are being bought.

[1:17] And this this gives you the chance to do that.

[1:19] Tonight we're not asking for a vote or any formal decisions.

[1:22] It's a presentation of a lot of information.

[1:25] And then we'd like you to give us some feedback and direction

[1:27] to help us do a better job coming back in July with

[1:30] specific recommendations.

[1:31] You're going to see the CIP presented in a five-year format,

[1:34] that is the best practice to do so.

[1:37] Just like you would want to do at your house when you're

[1:38] looking at large-scale purchases and projects.

[1:42] What you don't want to do is have a year where you've got

[1:44] to change the roof on your house, buy a new car and have

[1:46] a kids' wedding in the same year.

[1:49] Same thing here. You don't want to go into one of your funds

[1:51] and have all these huge things.

[1:53] Having spikes in the budget is a bad way to do it.

[1:55] You're trying to keep it smoother.

[1:57] We haven't really done the best job of five-year planning

[2:00] in the past. We with the transition and finance that

[2:02] we are going to go down that path now.

[2:05] So we're we're in the prior years, if somebody came up

[2:08] with a good idea today, they just throw it into the next

[2:10] year's budget.

[2:12] And the discipline of a five- year plan is you go into out

[2:15] year number five and work your way up.

[2:18] So Council knows through a full five-year window what your

[2:20] costs are going to be and what your projects are going to be

[2:23] going forward.

[2:25] And having said that, what's currently showing in year one,

[2:27] the fiscal year 2027, which is the upcoming budget,

[2:31] is what's funded. The other four years are planned,

[2:33] but not actually funded.

[2:36] And what you're seeing in there are not formal recommendations.

[2:39] It's we sat down as a as all the staff and came up with

[2:41] these are ideas of what will help the city run, do better

[2:43] for the citizens and the community,

[2:44] but at this point they're not all recommendations. I can

[2:47] tell you we don't have enough money

[2:49] in the general fund based on the current millage to pay

[2:52] for all that. So some of those things are going to have to

[2:54] get done in later years.

[3:00] So right now I just wanted you to be able to see them

[3:02] and get your thoughts on them.

[3:04] And then when we come back, we'll decide what we can and

[3:05] cannot afford, but at the current millage we can't get

[3:07] there.

[3:11] One of the things, so at the end, there's a bunch of slides

[3:14] we go through, typically the way this works and

[3:17] go to the next.

[3:18] So the table of contents shows the order.

[3:20] So normally there's a little opening I give, and then

[3:22] we go through each one of these categories with all the

[3:24] projects in there.

[3:26] But it's important at the end one of the things we put is a

[3:29] summary sheet of all the general fund project,

[3:31] because instead of trying to go back through 14 or 15 slides

[3:33] and go, can you go back to slide six and look at that

[3:35] one thing,

[3:37] I grouped them all on one slide to help facilitate the

[3:40] discussion, because that's really where the challenge

[3:42] and the funding is, is the general fund.

[3:44] And so you can stop me as I go through if you've got

[3:46] questions, but

[3:48] probably the detailed discussion on what we might

[3:51] prioritize and not will be at the end when I get there.

[3:55] Moving forward,

[3:58] I don't. A lot of times people will spend a whole bunch of

[4:00] time talking about the economy and how it affects your budget.

[4:03] Whether you want to talk about inflation or or mortgage

[4:05] interest rates or anything like that.

[4:08] I just wanted to hit a few key points here for us tonight.

[4:12] We know we're nearing build out.

[4:13] When we had that conversation, even when I went when I was

[4:15] hired five years ago, we talked about the fact that we expect

[4:18] flattening revenues.

[4:19] A lot of cities live off of telling people they didn't raise

[4:21] their millage rates,

[4:22] but that's because they're getting a ton of growth,

[4:24] and they're living off new development paying for it.

[4:27] So you get 16 new apartment complexes, you got a whole

[4:28] bunch more money.

[4:30] You don't have any growth, you don't have any more money.

[4:33] So we have not had. And I know we've heard conversations about

[4:35] growth, but we have been really low.

[4:37] In fact, the last, almost 17 to 20 years, we've had

[4:39] just about 10,000 people total move here.

[4:41] So it's like 400 people a year.

[4:44] That that's close to stagnant growth. That that is, you know,

[4:48] fast-moving cities are 2,000 plus people a year.

[4:52] 400 people a year is not.

[4:54] But looking back at the trends that are shown here, the tax

[4:57] base is the one column.

[5:00] we used to get double digits.

[5:01] when I years ago we were when we would have these meetings with all

[5:04] the other cities, Port Orange was routinely in the upper half

[5:06] of the cities with the most growth and the most tax-based growth.

[5:09] That's that's pretty well done now.

[5:11] You can see that number at 12%.

[5:13] when we got that high, that was mostly inflation driven.

[5:16] Though those were the years when inflation was like 7 and 8%.

[5:17] So when we got the property appraiser's information,

[5:21] we had as much growth based on an existing house being taxed at a

[5:23] higher level than we did from new development.

[5:27] But what what it resulted in is if you look on the far right column,

[5:29] that's how much extra money we took going into each budget year to run

[5:33] the city.

[5:34] So the higher number there, the first year at $3 million,

[5:36] that was the year we we adjusted the police department's wages.

[5:41] And so that covered all of that

[5:44] in that year and then that number has steadily decreased since then.

[5:46] And and there's always that conversation about going to roll back.

[5:49] What is the roll back? What is the percent over roll back the

[5:51] state law requires you to state that when you do your budget adoptions?

[5:55] So last year that one little over $1.6 million, it was higher than

[5:58] the year before, was about a 4% over roll back number.

[6:01] This year, the preliminary number came out, $800,000 is all the new

[6:06] money we have to run the city with.

[6:10] And that is less than a percent over roll back.

[6:13] So you're you're almost at roll back with with what we've got.

[6:16] So we have to go into next year with $800,000 more dollars

[6:18] to address wage contracts that range from 4 to 8%, we anticipate

[6:22] an 8% insurance increase, we have other contractual obligations

[6:26] and just general inflationary impacts.

[6:30] And that is that is a hard target right there.

[6:33] Inflation that dropped down closer to two, then it went back

[6:35] up a little bit, then it came down, then it went back over four

[6:38] as part of the war, if the war ends, it may come back down.

[6:42] I don't think it's going to go anywhere near the sevens of the past.

[6:44] But we're we're trying to deal with funding the general fund

[6:47] projects with very little new money going into this year.

[6:51] So that's that's just an an overall start to what we're facing.

[6:54] And before I got into the new ones, we did want to take a little

[6:59] bit of time to thank the people who put together the projects this year.

[7:03] So we did complete a large number, over 40 projects.

[7:06] Now, some of them aren't finished today, but they'll finish in this

[7:09] fiscal year.

[7:11] So a couple of highlight projects in there, we talked about that

[7:12] earlier with utilities, that North Commonwealth water upgrade.

[7:16] That was we did that whole Commonwealth area in the last few

[7:19] years, went from two-inch water pipes to 6-inch,

[7:22] now they've got fire hydrants, they've got better flow, better

[7:24] safety, better quality water in that area.

[7:27] Very big positive project to be done in that area.

[7:29] The Jackson project is completed.

[7:33] Another big positive.

[7:35] You can see things for parks and public works has gotten a few

[7:36] things done as well.

[7:39] So I'll just

[7:43] start going through the categories of this is the showing the five-year

[7:43] plan on a pie, you can see the total number on the left.

[7:47] It's into what would be funded, the $57 million is what we would

[7:49] have to fund.

[7:51] The 284 is all the other years.

[7:53] So it's it's a little bit more like the other out years are like

[7:57] 70 or 80 million where this one's $57 million.

[8:00] The pie is showing you how they're broken out. Water and waste water

[8:04] is almost always going to be the bigger one, just because the utility

[8:07] is the most expensive thing we have.

[8:10] This pie though includes the $170 million sewer plan upgrade that

[8:11] I'll show you later and it also has a big wedge for the parks bond.

[8:15] Uh in the future when the parks bond projects are done and the

[8:19] utility major upgrade is done, that the pie itself will shrink.

[8:23] It won't be a pie of $284 million, but it'll still be probably similar

[8:26] ratios.

[8:29] It will usually be dominated by water sewer.

[8:32] So the first category is park bonds and we did give you the uh

[8:36] the a hard copy to look at.

[8:38] For people trying to look on the monitor, I'd suggest looking at the

[8:41] higher density ones because the resolution's better.

[8:44] The the outer ones are kind of light and hard to read.

[8:45] Uh

[8:48] So on the positive side, the park staff has done an outstanding job,

[8:49] the the bond got approved and they have moved really fast to get these

[8:53] projects out there to the community.

[8:57] One of the last things you want to do is is have the voters agree

[8:59] to give themselves amenities and tax themselves

[9:02] and then take forever to give it to them.

[9:04] So Fort Lauderdale is currently getting beat up pretty bad because

[9:05] they did a bond about a decade ago and they haven't even gotten

[9:09] halfway through their projects.

[9:11] So so they are moving along as you can see everything on here but

[9:12] the Karasi Park expansion and the trails

[9:15] is ready for construction in the next fiscal year.

[9:18] Uh the Karasi park we don't own the land yet, so we've got to own

[9:21] the land, design the park and then go forward.

[9:23] And the trails we're holding on because we're using the TPO project

[9:25] process where we can leverage some money from the TPO in order

[9:29] to get there.

[9:32] And so when we get that feasibility, we'll start working

[9:33] towards some of those projects.

[9:36] Understanding what's out there for the public to vote on considering

[9:39] uh property taxes,

[9:42] we may want to talk about this as we go forward throughout the summer

[9:43] on what we do with request and Karasi

[9:47] because if you build them, they will have ongoing operational costs.

[9:49] They they will the bond will cover the cost of construction, but there

[9:52] will be staff, there will be electricity, there will be mower,

[9:55] they will be fertilizer.

[10:00] You know, those projects are going to cost us money to run

[10:03] when we move forward, but congratulations to the staff.

[10:05] This is one of the most effective one-year movements of a bunch

[10:08] of bond projects that I think I've ever seen in all the bonds I've done.

[10:12] They're also out there leveraging with echo funds.

[10:14] Uh so we we already you've already authorized us to apply for

[10:17] echo grants to try to add to it.

[10:19] So it would give us the ability to build more than we have.

[10:22] The idea that they've switched land, we came up with the idea

[10:24] to switch land with the schools to build a park here.

[10:27] A lot of positives coming out of the staff to make the most

[10:29] of that bond.

[10:32] I'm not going to go through all of these because you've seen them,

[10:35] but they're concept plans and where they're at at this point

[10:36] and then for each category we also have a map that helps for

[10:38] when you're looking at it between now and then.

[10:41] The next category, the regular parks projects. So whether or not

[10:44] we build bonds or not, we own a bunch of parks facilities

[10:46] and they have to be taken care of.

[10:48] So this is their regular stuff.

[10:50] Typically, every year, you see them somewhere between a half a million

[10:52] and a million dollars of request.

[10:54] This is probably one of the ones where I was talking about how we

[10:57] haven't fully disciplined ourselves on the five-year budget.

[11:00] Everything is in year two. So there's a giant spike in year two.

[11:03] Normally you'd like to see this a little more spread out

[11:05] over a five-year pattern.

[11:07] but the notable projects coming up in the funded year would be the

[11:10] wreck sound barrier, which is being designed now and then the North

[11:13] Causeway Park Councilman Green and I were talking about this

[11:15] earlier today. It's pretty beat up over there on the north side.

[11:18] And that project would come in to to new improvements in that area.

[11:22] The Y project is being funded out of that Rec facilities fund,

[11:25] so there is basically a savings account to do improvements

[11:28] to the Y. That's not a general fund project.

[11:32] Parks has got ongoing maintenance. This is going to be a theme

[11:34] throughout as well. It was the things we haven't emphasized,

[11:36] I don't think enough in the past.

[11:39] Everything we do, we have to take care of when we get it.

[11:42] And so parks isn't always thought of as that department like

[11:45] people are used to us paving roads and fixing sidewalks, but

[11:47] not necessarily this.

[11:49] But we own if you look at the bottom, we have like 32 facilities.

[11:52] So we probably don't go more than a year or two without at least

[11:55] one park being redone or one field being redone.

[11:58] So there is a non-stop maintenance cost as well.

[12:03] And deferred maintenance comes back to haunt you. I think the mayor

[12:05] mentioned that earlier. What happens if you don't do your job

[12:08] on maintenance, you pay more for it later.

[12:10] So I'll I'll show that with all the other categories.

[12:14] Facilities is our buildings that are non-parks. The the highlight

[12:17] of our facilities here are the generator replacements and oddly

[12:21] enough a couple of things at City Hall, the air conditioner here

[12:23] is is kind of junk.

[12:25] Uh the thermostats don't work. You have to go up on the roof

[12:27] and make adjustments up there to change the temperature.

[12:29] And you've all can see the high quality AV system that we have here

[12:32] from the 1980s.

[12:34] Uh so those though may end up being the things you decide not to

[12:37] do. But it it's there to see we've had those conversations about what

[12:40] what's coming up with our facilities.

[12:43] Ongoing maintenance from the facilities division, they're also

[12:46] responsible for making sure all the parking lots that we have

[12:48] are paved and taken care of.

[12:51] Fire doesn't normally have projects like this.

[12:54] They they're they're typically fleet, you see them when we when we replace

[12:57] fire trucks and and ambulances.

[13:01] Once in a while you build a station, what's unique about this year is so

[13:04] Uh the public utilities department, we're building their operation

[13:07] center. We're consolidating three or four different sets of people

[13:10] over into one facility by the police station.

[13:12] And they will be leaving the building that they're currently in on the

[13:15] north side of the public works property over by Oak Street.

[13:18] And right now fire trains at the tower and they train at that

[13:21] small building up there by the annex.

[13:24] And the idea had been as part this is like a long-term out multi-year

[13:27] project that this was planned, was fire will then leave that small

[13:30] building, allow either parks or public works or somebody

[13:33] engineering to use that facility and then they would move over to

[13:36] this facility and use it for full training in that one area.

[13:41] So the request here is to upgrade that building because it would be

[13:44] a building used by utilities field crews to something fire can

[13:47] train in.

[13:50] And then the pavilion is basically a shade structure.

[13:52] So if you've been out there, I think all of you've had the chance to go

[13:55] out there and see the training tower is not real they're wearing

[13:57] heavy equipment. There's nowhere to be in the shade, so it's a

[13:59] little hot.

[14:01] So that was the request for that.

[14:03] And then fire's got a couple out year capital, we're we're coming up

[14:06] on having to replace radios in the future and some of the breathing

[14:08] apparatus.

[14:11] Transportation projects are our TPO funded, uh and good years,

[14:15] these are 90% money from federal state funds and 10% hours.

[14:20] Occasionally some of them are a little different.

[14:22] Uh in this upcoming year, the two big highlights are the Dunlop and

[14:25] Yorktown bundle. That's construction.

[14:27] That's why it's a higher number.

[14:30] That is the total cost down at the bottom. You'll see the note.

[14:32] Our cost next year is $1 and a half million.

[14:35] And then the Clyde Morris project will go into design with construction

[14:38] a couple of years out.

[14:40] This is pretty well spread out.

[14:42] Now, some of this because it's not in our control, we have to follow

[14:44] the TPO process for the funding, but it's it's a pretty good job of

[14:47] spreading out the projects over the years.

[14:49] We do get heavy in the outer years

[14:52] because you you put them in the plans and one of the things

[14:54] that's required in order to get fair share money to get basically

[14:57] get money from developers when they're building

[15:00] to help them pay for it, you have to have them in your plan.

[15:02] If you don't put them in the plan, you're not allowed to get money.

[15:05] So we show them in here so that that qualifies.

[15:08] But we recognize that when you get out to the out years,

[15:11] it's not really going to, they may they may keep moving.

[15:13] They may show in year five,

[15:14] but they may stay in year five for six or seven years.

[15:19] We go on to maintenance and transportation.

[15:21] This shifts over to public works.

[15:23] So public works handles all this stuff.

[15:24] If you look at the funding source, it's all local option gas tax.

[15:28] So historically, the city has not funded

[15:30] these, this maintenance beyond what we get out of gas tax.

[15:35] The gas tax is not sufficient.

[15:37] To give you an idea that the everything that we put in this,

[15:40] if you give that money to public works on October 1,

[15:42] they will spend it all well before the end of the fiscal year.

[15:45] And not finish everything out there that needs to get done.

[15:48] To council's credit, you've asked me in the past,

[15:50] well, how much money do you need to do it right?

[15:52] And I can't answer that question

[15:53] because we didn't do asset management very well in the past.

[15:56] But when we switched over to Tyler,

[15:58] we have asset management software

[15:59] and we are on the way to being able to answer the question.

[16:02] We still may not be able to afford it,

[16:04] but we can at least give you the answer of what it would take to catch up.

[16:07] Uh, we have it the last couple years,

[16:09] Council has actually taken some money out of fund balance

[16:11] and and supplemented this to allow us to catch up.

[16:14] So this is that's the first council

[16:16] I think that's actually added to

[16:17] that money to help catch up in that area.

[16:19] But our objective is to get you data

[16:22] on what it will take to be caught up

[16:24] and take care of those as we go forward.

[16:26] I think we've talked about this before.

[16:27] The striping budget's like two, two

[16:29] little areas when you're out of money.

[16:31] Paving gets you a couple of roads.

[16:33] Uh, one of the things that they do though

[16:34] is that we don't spend it all,

[16:36] we have planned up to about 70, probably about 80%, maybe 85%,

[16:41] they hold a little bit back till the summer

[16:43] in order to pick up an emergency or something comes up.

[16:45] because what you don't want to do is be completely out of money

[16:48] and unable to fix something that's bad.

[16:51] I'm sorry, wait. Let me so you can grab a quick drink of water

[16:53] while I interject something.

[16:56] Um, perhaps on this particular slide

[16:59] your transportation bond project.

[17:01] As we update this moving forward

[17:03] in the project description, if it's possible,

[17:06] this is just something that came to my mind.

[17:09] If you could put a notation in there

[17:11] on what the anticipated,

[17:13] like I know with roadways,

[17:14] there's an anticipated cost per linear mile.

[17:17] Same thing with sidewalks per foot or something like that.

[17:20] Just so when we see the number, okay, $800,000,

[17:23] well how far is that?

[17:24] How, you know, how far does that get us?

[17:26] So that might be helpful if if that's possible.

[17:28] I know TPO talks about that.

[17:31] Uh, you know, in their meetings and stuff like that.

[17:33] I don't know where that number comes from,

[17:35] but I know that some of those numbers for paving and

[17:38] concrete has gone up.

[17:40] And they have to have a reduced cost estimation

[17:42] because that's how engineers bid the projects for us.

[17:44] So and or the contractors bid them

[17:46] and and we'd be able to say it would be different

[17:48] like cost of Herbert Street

[17:49] is going to be a little cheaper

[17:50] than than doing something that's a four lane with a median.

[17:52] but we can give you those basic costs.

[17:54] Just might be a good reference to have on that slide.

[17:55] Thank you. Thanks.

[17:59] The downtown project didn't really fit a specific category,

[18:02] so I put it in here separately.

[18:04] Uh, it was originally envisioned

[18:05] in the ballpark of $5 million to be used to be basically funded

[18:08] when we sold Riverwalk.

[18:10] So part of the assets of the Riverwalk sale would pay off debt

[18:12] to the Town Center CRA,

[18:14] the other half would would go to this.

[18:16] When that project didn't close last year and we went back,

[18:19] staff came up with a really good idea of trying to split it

[18:22] because they knew we don't have $5 million

[18:23] just to put into this project.

[18:25] So what they did is come up with a phase one idea,

[18:28] because we've been working with the business owners down there

[18:30] and they've been really good partners and very positive

[18:33] and they're really hoping for something to come out of this

[18:34] to to grow that momentum.

[18:36] And so the phase one would would focus on this turn lane,

[18:39] which is the the road out to Peninsula

[18:42] from the south of the bridge,

[18:44] so it's where the coway comes in the signalize.

[18:45] If you've been down there,

[18:47] basically people down there created their own

[18:49] right turn lane in the dirt.

[18:50] So this would formalize that and put in a sign.

[18:53] So it it's a an affordable phase one

[18:55] that shows goodwill

[18:57] and progress to the business owners down there

[18:59] and probably makes a good safety impact going forward.

[19:02] So I thought that was that was very creative of them when I said,

[19:05] I don't know that I can go ask for $5 million

[19:07] and they said, well, how about we do this instead?

[19:11] Stormwater projects,

[19:12] we've got a couple different ways to look at this,

[19:14] we we've started off with a stack bar showing five projects

[19:17] with the colors are by who where the funding is coming from.

[19:20] The the one on the far left is Cambridge,

[19:22] that's a hurricane repair from the damage in the coal.

[19:26] Uh and and then the other four

[19:28] are master plan projects that are coming up in current years.

[19:31] There there's another large project Nixon,

[19:34] that's in out years, you'll see in one of the other charts,

[19:36] but it isn't isn't far enough along to show here.

[19:39] Uh, this is 62 plus million dollars worth of drainage projects.

[19:43] It is incredibly expensive

[19:44] to go into the old part of town

[19:46] and retrofit the old part of town to stop them from flooding.

[19:49] That's a lot of money.

[19:50] It's more than twice what we have in the parks fund for five projects.

[19:54] So that that's a a a big hit

[19:56] and we don't have all the money for the pink part right now.

[20:00] Uh, you can see the couple grants on the bottom.

[20:05] We really hope resilient Florida will work for us. We're going to continue trying to transform 386 to see when their next phase come out.

[20:10] Brick is a federal program through FEMA that the current administration doesn't really like.

[20:15] So last year, President's office stopped it, but then a court reinstated it.

[20:20] Uh, so I don't really know. They they were valuable. Fun people got a lot of good projects out of Brick, but then the money went away.

[20:26] So some cities are reluctant to touch it because you don't you go to all that effort and then you don't get the money.

[20:31] So, I I think it's still worth trying because it's a it's a pot of money we need to have.

[20:37] On this slide, we put it in a pie.

[20:39] Uh, the reason for this is I think it's really important.

[20:41] So it's been less than four years. We got hit by Ian in September of of '22.

[20:46] And in less than four years for $62 million of projects, we have almost

[20:51] $40 million of other people's money in less than four years to do these projects.

[20:56] And we still have $20 million to fill.

[20:58] But $40 million in 10 years is a huge amount of outside money.

[21:02] So the the people who go out and get other people's money to do this have done a heck of a job.

[21:07] Because that that's a that is more than we have in the park bond in four years they went out and got that from somebody else's source.

[21:14] Uh, so again, it's going to require some work.

[21:16] We we have the ability to borrow parts of that and pay debt on it.

[21:20] If we get to the point where that's a decision Council wants to, or we can continue working until we get the grants to fill it in.

[21:27] Uh, we I I put them here in the this is your standard five-year plan version that we were showing from the others with the sources.

[21:33] And then we add this one adds the Nixon project in there so you can see it in the out years.

[21:39] It's a little less expensive because it tags on to the sugar forest one, so it's not as much money as that one.

[21:44] But this also adds the the generator at Virginia Monroe,

[21:48] which is one of the smaller pump areas we have on the east side of town

[21:51] and the two smaller projects you authorized for design last summer.

[21:55] The Devon Street one and the sweet water project are both shown there.

[22:00] Uh, so that's what's going forward.

[22:02] And moving on to their ongoing projects and the maintenance.

[22:05] Uh, so you can see a couple things with with drainage pipe.

[22:09] We've talked about this. It's an ongoing project to basically replace all the corrugated metal pipes that rust and rot

[22:14] going through that. Uh, they they're down in the bottom right, it shows how many miles that we're responsible for maintaining with that.

[22:20] On the left side I put in a little summary of the storm water fund,

[22:24] so if $160 per dwelling unit, it generates a little over almost $6.5 million.

[22:30] The expenses we have exceed that, so we've been using storm water fund balance to kind of chip away at those things.

[22:37] Uh, that fund balance at $1.7 million for a this much work is is small, it's way too small.

[22:42] Uh, the the point of showing that is that is that that this fund is not designed for $62 million of capital projects.

[22:48] Two-thirds of it or more than half is used up by the the people and the machines

[22:53] that maintain the stuff that we have.

[22:56] There's a little bit of money in there. We're still paying debt on some old stuff related to the '04 storms.

[23:02] That debt will eventually retire, but it's still got like I think it's 2035 when that retires.

[23:07] And then we have money set aside for debt service on future.

[23:11] Uh, and I've probably got some of this wrong that Sue will have to correct at some point for me in the future.

[23:15] But we've been chipping away at it using fund balance.

[23:17] So the the point of that just at the $160 per dwelling unit, we can't we can't build $62 million with a project.

[23:24] We definitely need other people's help and we need we we probably either have to borrow or or find some other revenue source to build all of those projects.

[23:34] Water and sewers, the last of the major categories of these.

[23:37] Uh, I we talked about this earlier when the fee all this is down in the bottom left corner

[23:41] is the uh all the the accomplishments of that that group of people.

[23:45] To say they have done an outstanding job of making sure that it costs as little as possible to give you high-quality water

[23:51] and and reliable infrastructure for water and sewer.

[23:54] They they do this constantly.

[23:56] They they're coming in to see me regularly with ideas about how to do things better.

[24:00] Uh the highlights on this budget, uh the highlights on this budget, uh the the upcoming $175 plus million sewer plant upgrade.

[24:07] That will probably be, it will be the most expensive project we do, maybe the most expensive one ever because who knows what technology when this thing's out of date

[24:14] exists, but 170 million is a gigantic project.

[24:17] Uh, it is mandated by the federal government, the treatment standards are going up. We aren't going to be able to treat at the level we currently treat

[24:23] and we do pretty good. We we send quite a bit out.

[24:26] We we do reclaim and that's why we get credit through the consumption use permit

[24:31] because we don't draw as much, we use reclaim for irrigation.

[24:34] We have a very good system and we still have to make it better.

[24:37] Uh, that number is big.

[24:39] There are loans out there that are forgivable.

[24:42] If you remember we had to do a master plan before we did this project.

[24:45] And then we also did the first phase where we talked about the generators and redoing the electric and we were able to get forgivable loans for portions of that.

[24:52] So we're going to go after forgivable loans for this as well.

[24:55] What we don't get in forgivable loan, the state revolving loan fund is really low interest.

[25:00] like 1 to 2%.

[25:02] So you're paying mostly principal.

[25:04] So the fund is healthy enough.

[25:06] Toby and our financial advisors came in here when we talked about the fees last time.

[25:09] He came in and did two or three different presentations.

[25:12] Our debt levels are such that this is something we can afford.

[25:16] It's in the system, it's planned for.

[25:17] and we're going to be able to do that. But it is a huge project going forward.

[25:22] Now that's why we also purchased that land in the area around it.

[25:26] because we talked about how that's going to actually save us money as well.

[25:28] Because we're going to be able to move some of the operation center out of that,

[25:32] keep it running up here. That was another several hundred thousand dollars of savings

[25:35] on this project just by acquiring that additional land.

[25:38] And then down at the bottom, I should draw attention to the meters coming up.

[25:42] So some people have been around long enough to remember

[25:44] the last time we went through a full meter replacement.

[25:46] Uh, they're they're reaching the end of their life.

[25:48] So we're going to be trading out the meters coming up in a few years.

[25:50] Technology's improved quite a bit since then.

[25:52] The benefit of that is that these things have much fewer moving parts.

[25:56] So they break less and they provide much more accurate readings.

[25:58] So you get better revenue because you're getting more accurate readings going forward.

[26:03] Same thing as all the others, they've got a fairly large ongoing maintenance

[26:06] budget as well.

[26:09] Uh, so you avoid deferred maintenance.

[26:11] When I got here, we we've kind of got picked on for being duct tape

[26:14] and and uh WD40 kind of maintenance program.

[26:18] And we are not doing that now, we are taking care of our infrastructure.

[26:22] Uh, and then they have something a little bit unique.

[26:25] They do have a lot of capital requests.

[26:27] which is one off things like whether it's a

[26:28] In this case there's different parts of the water plant.

[26:30] So most of these are water plant parts, whether it's a a pump or

[26:34] various gearbox units of

[26:36] that these things are more out of water.

[26:38] because the sewer plant's going to pick up that kind of stuff

[26:40] when we do the full plant.

[26:41] So in the upcoming years, you'll see capital being a lot of water stuff

[26:44] as we go forward.

[26:49] And then fleet. So this is a typical year of fleet. This is replacement.

[26:52] So all these are things we already have, it's being paid through by a fleet

[26:54] replacement fund.

[26:57] So as so you buy a truck today for $50,000.

[27:01] And then you, the department that owns the truck, pays.

[27:03] You think it's got an eight-year life, so they pay 1/8 of that cost

[27:06] over the next eight years. So when the truck's due,

[27:08] you have the money there for it.

[27:09] You don't do it at the 50,000 today's cost, you anticipate the inflation,

[27:13] so they may be paying 1/8 of $60,000.

[27:17] So that that fund is there in the future.

[27:18] So you're not, this is not new money, it's it's it's replacing itself

[27:21] like we do with computers and things like that.

[27:25] Uh, so and one of the things that we're doing is it's not just if you think

[27:28] it's going to be eight years, they don't just replace it at year eight.

[27:31] So year six, they'll start looking at the vehicle and go, is it been heavy use?

[27:33] Is it light use? Can we get two more years out of it?

[27:37] You know, so it it you stretch it as far as you can to to to where it

[27:40] doesn't cost more money to keep it than it does to replace it.

[27:45] A couple of other things they've done pretty nice with this is occasionally

[27:48] we'll have a vehicle.

[27:49] Like public works had a bucket truck.

[27:51] And the bucket truck was done for them.

[27:53] They they couldn't take it out daily to get out there and work in the trees.

[27:56] But parks was paying people to use bucket trucks to replace all the banners

[27:59] around City Hall and help with the lights.

[28:02] So parks was like, we don't you need to use it weekly or daily,

[28:05] we can use it four or five times a year.

[28:07] So they took the the truck that was going to be surplus out of public works,

[28:10] put it into parks.

[28:12] And let them use it for a while.

[28:14] And they show up as a now they're on one of the new replacements

[28:17] or new requests because they've determined by having it

[28:19] that it's cheaper for them to own the truck and do it themselves

[28:23] than us to pay somebody to come in and do it for us.

[28:26] But that's the benefit of having somebody in fleet paying attention to

[28:30] instead of we just auction this thing off, can somebody else use it for

[28:32] a couple of years and figure out maybe it helps you run your operation

[28:36] before we buy something going forward.

[28:40] Service enhancement.

[28:41] So this is people basically saying, I would like to up the level of service

[28:44] beyond what we have.

[28:47] So there's an ongoing continuation budget

[28:49] which is do what we do now at the same level, whatever it costs going forward.

[28:54] Service enhancements, three departments have requested more than what we do now.

[28:59] Stepping up to something else.

[29:01] Uh, these are going to be challenges to find.

[29:03] Uh I just want to go over them so you can see them.

[29:06] Now that'll be part of the conversation as to what we do with them going forward.

[29:09] Starting with parks.

[29:10] So the out years, we knew that we were looking at park staff that would be

[29:13] necessary to staff all the bond projects going forward.

[29:17] As they were looking at how they maintain the structures and we own 25 different

[29:21] park structures that are not part of what's maintained by the engineering

[29:23] building maintenance team.

[29:27] Uh, they currently maintain these buildings through either contracts or with people

[29:31] who work there now or working on the field, go check the toilets or something.

[29:36] Uh, their request is to build a parks maintenance team like like we have

[29:39] in building maintenance.

[29:41] I've had a couple conversations with council members as we were

[29:43] going over the draft of this.

[29:45] that maybe there's a value in creating a unified citywide maintenance and put

[29:49] it all under engineering and have them maintain every single building

[29:52] and maybe there would be a way to make this work with fewer total people.

[29:57] But but they're they're pointing, I think all three of these are

[30:00] valid business request

[30:02] is that we don't have the people right now to maintain the parks

[30:04] building the way they should,

[30:06] they're not going to get the right life out of them

[30:07] the way we're currently maintaining them.

[30:09] So we need to do better.

[30:10] Uh and this was a this was a good idea from them to start the process

[30:13] of thinking through how do we maintain them better.

[30:16] It came out of our our process improvements when we started looking at asset management

[30:21] and where where are we not getting things where we want to.

[30:23] So, I think it was a it was a good idea whether we whether we go down that path or not,

[30:27] we'll see what you think as we talk about it.

[30:30] The public works request, so they in addition to fleet and solid waste,

[30:33] they have these four key divisions.

[30:36] This is kind of what they're known for.

[30:37] Like this is the go out and take care of everything we own section.

[30:41] And when I first got here as a manager, we had a bunch of vacancies in public works.

[30:45] They over 10 people were vacant.

[30:46] They couldn't staff the four key divisions,

[30:49] so we just kind of pushed them together and then they would hit projects based on what what was most important.

[30:55] But there's a different skill set in a different skill set in a guy that can run a a machine like a can get in there and dredge

[30:59] versus a mowing guy versus a guy who's an expert at paving,

[31:03] versus the people who were good at climbing in trees and cutting them down.

[31:06] So, we have operators at both the high level, in the middle level,

[31:10] and we have different types of machines, and then we also have maintenance worker levels that don't operate the machines at the higher level.

[31:17] Uh when we started re-staffing and rebuilding public works after Christmas this year,

[31:21] we put them back into their specified areas,

[31:24] and what was happening is the storm water and grounds don't have enough people to fully get out and do their job,

[31:29] so they were having to cannibalize by grabbing people from streets or signs and help them out on busy days,

[31:34] which then gets in the way of these people doing their job.

[32:37] Uh so what they've requested is to these two maintenance workers, which are pure boots on the ground. These are their our entry level maintenance people that get out and help.

[33:46] With those two people and those two divisions, you fully staff all four components of public works

[34:51] going forward and they don't have to cannibalize unless there's a really good reason to do that.

[35:00] I hope that council meeting doesn't have a giant zoning hearing on it.

[35:03] Uh so we can get through it sooner.

[35:04] If we if if you prefer not to do that,

[35:07] or if that meeting we end up talking about tall fences or zoning,

[35:10] uh we can we have the 28th as well.

[35:12] set in there. We wouldn't need to set Maxge by then

[35:15] because the trim notices are due in early August to submit that out.

[35:19] Uh there's a unique thing with the budget hearings this year.

[35:22] There's a statute that requires a certain amount of days

[35:24] between when we get the tax money from the from the appraiser

[35:27] and when you can hold first reading.

[35:30] And because the oddity of September with the first being a Tuesday,

[35:33] it threw everything out of whack with Labor Day.

[35:35] So these are the two dates we are hoping to get all of you together

[35:39] to vote on first and second reading.

[35:41] Uh it doesn't have to be decided tonight, but feel free to give

[35:44] any feedback on it if if it doesn't work.

[35:47] And then what I said here, we summarize.

[35:50] So what I put in here is these are all the general fund in 27.

[35:54] Uh so they're not recommendations from us at this point,

[35:57] they are good ideas from people that we want to get your feedback on.

[36:00] You can see the total over on the right down at the bottom says total

[36:03] general fund 5.7 million.

[36:05] Uh and then the enhancements that hit the general fund are the

[36:10] additional 5 1.5, so you're a little over $7 million

[36:12] of request in this year that hit the general fund.

[36:15] Uh what I put down at the bottom, when we lowered the reserve to

[36:19] 23 to 28%, we dropped that number to 19 million.

[36:23] So what happened is we had extra money in fund balance. Some of it

[36:27] was from selling Allen Green Center.

[36:29] Some of it not the main.

[36:33] And some of it was from FEMA reimbursements, and then some of it

[36:36] was the excess funds that was in fund balance.

[36:38] So that ended up being your $10 million.

[36:40] We don't fund general fund capital.

[36:43] I've worked in cities where you take a millage rate and part of your

[36:47] millage is set aside specifically for general fund capital.

[36:50] So you will say if our millage is 5.1, five of it runs operating,

[36:54] 0.1 runs capital.

[36:56] And that way you constantly have money to you don't end up deferring

[36:58] maintenance. We've never done that.

[37:00] Port Orange has always tried to squeeze it all out of there.

[37:03] And basically what we did years back is we just took

[37:06] leftover money and fund balance and went, hey,

[37:09] we got 2.2 million, which one of these 10 projects do you want to do?

[37:12] And and that leads to deferred maintenance.

[37:14] That's what got us in trouble, that's why we have duct tape and

[37:17] and WD40 reputation in the past.

[37:20] is that there's no reliable funding source for general fund under that

[37:24] method.

[37:25] If you have a year, which if your mando is a bad year because you get

[37:29] 20 vacancies in the police department,

[37:30] it creates a bunch of money in the general fund to pay for

[37:32] general fund projects.

[37:34] So, but he's done an outstanding job and so has Joe. We don't

[37:37] have those vacancies.

[37:38] And even with the turnover, they're immediately filling them back.

[37:41] So I don't see us taking that $10 million savings account and

[37:44] growing it a whole lot.

[37:46] We have a property off Reed Canal to sell that maybe get us $750,000.

[37:51] It's got a pond in the middle. It's making it a challenge to sell.

[37:54] Uh we may I think there's a small piece of FEMA money we don't have

[37:57] back yet.

[37:59] But what I don't see that that's not going to just keep growing.

[38:01] So if you spent 7.2 million of it, you're going to have two and a half

[38:04] left and not a whole lot more coming in the future.

[38:08] So I'm pretty sure some of these things are going to be hard decisions

[38:11] that we just can't do now.

[38:12] uh going forward.

[38:14] But we wanted you to at least see them and be able to comment on them

[38:16] before we started making decisions.

[38:18] And I was the one telling you what not to do.

[38:20] Uh but at least we got that out there so you can you can see that

[38:23] as a whole.

[38:24] And then the last slide is the maintenance.

[38:26] Cuz I I still want to stress that if we own it, we need to take

[38:30] care of it.

[38:31] We shouldn't have stuff and not take care of it.

[38:33] Uh we have seen that with the generator at the police department

[38:36] where we lost a decade of used on it.

[38:38] We've had the the one one wreck got built, uh nobody added a generator

[38:42] big enough to actually handle the additional wreck,

[38:46] So there there's things like that roofs that didn't last as long.

[38:49] Uh we really need to make sure that we take care of what we have going

[38:51] forward.

[38:52] So we don't want to lose the maintenance as well going forward.

[38:55] So those are the two key decision points.

[38:57] I'd be happy to answer any questions. I'll look back over here to see what

[39:00] I got wrong. Staff can correct me with their corrections text when I get

[39:04] stuff wrong.

[39:06] But other than that, I'm done talking if you guys have other comments.

[39:11] Wow. Well, that's uh, that's a lot of information.

[39:15] And and as the city manager talked about, this is kind of a first step

[39:18] in the annual budget process.

[39:20] Pay attention, Stan.

[39:22] [laughter]

[39:23] And um, I know he's a numbers guy. He's already over there. He's his

[39:25] head spinning.

[39:26] [laughter]

[39:27] Um, you know, this is this is

[39:31] without question the most unique budget session that we're going to

[39:35] go into since I've been on the council,

[39:39] only to probably be surpassed next possibly next year.

[39:44] [laughter]

[39:45] So, uh former Mayor Green used to say all the time,

[39:49] it is not about that initial purchase for buildings, equipment,

[39:53] or whatever, it will always be about the maintenance.

[39:57] That's the cost that really is going to need to

[40:00] something and you you wrestle with and come to terms with

[40:03] and you and you plan for.

[40:04] And and and I will

[40:07] Like I said earlier in the meeting tonight.

[40:09] You know, kicking cans and kicking maintenance

[40:12] is going to catch you.

[40:14] It is going to catch you.

[40:16] and it's probably going to

[40:17] catch you when you're not

[40:19] prepared to compensate for it.

[40:21] Um we've we've we have seen

[40:23] really important infrastructure

[40:26] in the past unexpectedly

[40:29] break, burst, you know, what

[40:31] whatever, um and you got to

[40:32] be able to respond to that stuff.

[40:34] You got to have the funds and you got to be able to deal with that

[40:37] and um so kicking the can cost you a lot more.

[40:40] All that just to say my my comments are pretty simple tonight.

[40:44] I one of the fears that I have and this probably comes from

[40:47] not only being a past employee of the city,

[40:50] but sitting up here on the city council.

[40:53] One of the hardest things that I think an elected official on this

[40:57] dais could potentially ever have to do is cut services

[41:00] and or cut personnel.

[41:05] When you know that it's not good for the community.

[41:09] But if you don't have a way to pay for it,

[41:11] something's going to have to give.

[41:14] So, um this is this is the city manager's job,

[41:18] and this is the staff's job to make these recommendations to

[41:23] to forecast for us where we need to be,

[41:25] what we're going to need to have to maintain the quality of life

[41:29] and the services in the city of Port Orange that our

[41:31] residents have come to expect.

[41:33] Um the reality of it is is that we know coming November the

[41:36] residents are going to get an opportunity to speak as to

[41:39] whether or not that is still what they want from us.

[41:45] Um, so as we work through this year's budget,

[41:48] it's going to be very difficult for us not to have in the

[41:50] back of our mind that

[41:53] there is a significant risk that if we start adding more

[41:56] new things to this budget

[42:00] and to what we do as a city, there's a very strong possibility

[42:06] that the following year you're going to have to remove them.

[42:10] So just keep keep that in mind.

[42:12] I know that's not anything any of us want to have to do. Um,

[42:15] but it will definitely be something that we will have

[42:18] to be considering.

[42:20] So, um I I think that if the city manager said this is this

[42:23] is just the first step to lay this out for us.

[42:26] I do like the five-year increment look, when I think that's um

[42:30] that's the only way to focus and look at this.

[42:34] Some of those project numbers are huge when you set

[42:36] when you set $170 million.

[42:40] I'm like, man, I I missed that. I'm I'm looking back at that.

[42:43] I'm like, holy that is a $170 million project.

[42:46] That's amazing that we're talking about that.

[42:49] But here again, you know, that's part of I guess you would argue

[42:53] unfunded mandates, right?

[42:56] These are these are mandates that are being made upon

[42:59] municipalities that higher levels of government to do

[43:01] where you have to do it.

[43:04] And it's easy to say, well, we might get a forgivable loan.

[43:06] That'd be great.

[43:08] We're not the only city that are going to be looking for those

[43:11] unforgivable loans to meet these higher level government mandates

[43:14] and then even if you have like you said, maybe you just get

[43:17] an interest and it's favorable at 1%.

[43:20] That's great.

[43:21] You still got to pay it back. You got to have a plan and a

[43:23] funding mechanism that pays it back.

[43:27] Um, so anyway, all all that just to say that that's what's on my mind

[43:32] Um, is, you know, I I really want to see us work hard to

[43:35] continue maintaining what we already have in this city.

[43:39] Um, and that in and of itself is a challenge, not knowing what,

[43:43] you know, the next whatever four months may may may dictate to us.

[43:50] Lance, we'll start with you.

[43:51] Oh, I'm good. I've been through this thing already. I rolled

[43:55] through it several hours last night and again,

[43:58] I'm just I'm worried and I'm worried about what's going to

[44:01] happen in November, honestly. I'm just

[44:04] I'm worried.

[44:06] So, but other than that, I will we'll keep progressing with

[44:09] with what we got.

[44:11] John?

[44:13] I want to say thank you very much. Your presentation was incredibly

[44:18] very well to understand. I've always felt like when you talk

[44:23] to me, I understand what you're saying.

[44:25] I hope that our our our citizens can see this.

[44:31] And unfortunately, there's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 in the

[44:34] audience right now.

[44:37] The absolute most important thing we do as an elected

[44:40] official is this budget.

[44:43] And no one shows up for it.

[44:45] It blows my mind that I've had more people in front of us

[44:49] for fluoride in our water than the most important thing

[44:53] that's paying the operating costs of this city.

[44:57] And what it tells me is

[45:00] that the people trust us.

[45:03] And they trust us because we provide the information.

[45:07] And you did a great job doing that, and I really appreciate that.

[45:10] And we need to get this information out to everybody.

[45:13] So they understand the importance of where the money

[45:15] comes from and what we spend it on.

[45:17] And it's quality of life.

[45:19] And it services, it's firefighters and police

[45:21] officers and parks and wreck.

[45:23] Everything everybody wants and why they live here.

[45:25] It's the streets, it's the setbacks, it's the everything,

[45:29] the trees.

[45:30] All cost money.

[45:32] I didn't see anything in here, Robin, in here, Robin, in reference to the lights on Taylor Road.

[45:36] It's all I got.

[45:38] It needs to be in there.

[45:40] Tracy.

[45:42] Wayne, thank you for the five-year plan, um, and thank you to all your staff for putting this together.

[45:48] I know it takes an army of individuals to do this.

[45:53] Um, previous budgets over the last couple of years, me sitting up here and reviewing,

[46:00] this was a way easier process.

[46:04] So, thank you staff for that and putting this together.

[46:07] It's always about a five-year plan. We've we've talked about build out uh coming and how that's going to affect the city.

[46:13] We have to have a plan in in motion,

[46:16] and by seeing this now come into fruition, it shows me that you and your staff is planning for that.

[46:23] So, thank you because the future's going to be hard.

[46:27] November's going to put a kink in things, I believe.

[46:33] And that makes it even harder.

[46:34] But for right now, what this is is if we go forward, we have a plan in place

[46:40] to be able to take care of the citizens, the infrastructure, but also the staff.

[46:47] You know, a lot people don't think about, you know, you got 500 people that we we answer to.

[46:55] But 65,000 people that we definitely answer to.

[46:58] So these plans and budgets have to be spot on.

[47:02] So, thank you for this.

[47:08] Yeah, Wayne, I uh, I feel like these presentations have gotten easier to digest each year.

[47:14] And and I appreciate you and and staff and and staff tonight. I know it's not fun for y'all to sit here for a three and a half hour meeting.

[47:21] Appreciate all the hard work you guys do,

[47:23] you know, 24/7. So.

[47:26] Um, I think Scott said it best.

[47:28] Yeah, I think we all know, you know,

[47:29] the elephant in the room with with,

[47:31] you know, whatever's going to happen

[47:33] with uh this this voter

[47:34] opportunity.

[47:37] Um, with the state suggestions and and this piece of legislation.

[47:41] So, it's it's going to be a a very interesting thing to watch.

[47:45] I think we have to be very careful,

[47:48] um, because Scott's right,

[47:50] the last thing you want to do is

[47:52] is have to peel back

[47:53] and and start making cuts.

[47:55] So, um, you know, there's there's a time to spend, there's a time to save and there's there's a time to stand pat.

[48:02] And um, this year might be one of

[48:04] those times that we we want to be

[48:05] a little more on the cautious side

[48:08] because um, we don't know what

[48:10] is going to happen come, you know,

[48:12] after November.

[48:16] Wayne, I I think um,

[48:19] I'm going to give you a a chance

[48:21] to close out the conversation,

[48:21] but I think you're going to need more,

[48:23] you know, obviously direction from

[48:25] council, not necessarily tonight.

[48:27] But I I I think that what I would

[48:30] encourage and challenge council

[48:32] to be having the one-on-one

[48:33] discussions with Wayne and his team

[48:35] is is provide the direction that

[48:38] they need from us.

[48:39] Look at some of these projects

[48:41] specifically, you know, right right

[48:43] off the bat for me, the the Parks

[48:45] and Rec bond projects.

[48:48] and how quickly and fast do we want to advance those, knowing they could get hung out to dry.

[48:54] And and and that that sucks, for lack of a better way, because our voters have already spoke to that.

[49:00] Mhm. But our our voters won't have complete control.

[49:03] The state voters will have complete control.

[49:05] And so we, you know, I I've already

[49:08] talked to Wayne that, you know, no

[49:10] matter how the vote shakes out,

[49:12] sometime, and this will come later

[49:14] after the vote in November,

[49:15] that we will be able to go in by precincts and look specifically at what their our voters say.

[49:22] So we will do that, you know, we will be able to do that.

[49:24] And and so you'll be able to see

[49:26] obviously whatever happens with the

[49:28] statewide vote, that's going to

[49:30] dictate state uh constitutional

[49:31] changes, or not.

[49:33] But we'll still be able to look and see what did our voters want.

[49:36] And and um, so we'll we'll be doing that.

[49:38] All that to say, that's well after the next budget gets passed. Mhm.

[49:43] So we've got work to do trying to

[49:45] to to forecast what we think the

[49:47] future may hold.

[49:48] We just need to approach that

[49:50] with caution.

[49:52] Um, but but keeping what we do know

[49:54] about our community is that our

[49:56] residents look for a high quality

[49:57] of life and they do expect high

[50:00] all these services. She's going to have to figure out how

[50:03] where that line is exactly and how to provide that. So

[50:06] just be be mindful of that. Have these conversations with Wayne

[50:10] and his staff and then

[50:13] Wayne you let us know, hey, I got to know this.

[50:16] Where do you guys want to be on this, you know?

[50:18] And and I think you can feel it. I mean,

[50:20] you know, you're a resident taxpayer of the City of Port Orange, too.

[50:22] So yes, you're the city manager, but you also can see what's going on

[50:26] right now in our state and our community. So

[50:28] just keep us in the loop what you need.

[50:30] Any other comments you want to make on this tonight?

[50:32] Just to make sure to thank the staff that dealt with me.

[50:35] We met twice a day for the last couple of weeks.

[50:38] with several meetings going after 5:00.

[50:41] And Sue and Petra were at a at a conference learning about the tax stuff.

[50:45] And drove all the way over here from Orlando to do it just to go back again.

[50:49] So the staff has been very patient. I don't know.

[50:51] We're on revision 30, 35 or something.

[50:55] just but all the questions on what is this, why is this, help me with

[50:59] that information.

[51:01] they've been there for the answers.

[51:02] If you guys if you see a project you want to know more about, let me know.

[51:05] If it's something you want to go physically see, if you want to walk

[51:07] in the building and look at it.

[51:09] that it helps understand it. Let us know what we need to do to help you

[51:12] understand it, to help with direction to us going forward.

[51:15] Yeah, and I Mr. Mayor,

[51:16] I'd like to just go through every page one more time.

[51:18] One more time!

[51:20] [laughter] said some caffeine.

[51:22] I know, I know it's getting to be a late meeting and we're running along.

[51:25] But I just want to say this to staff.

[51:27] And I mean this to not only the staff that's here tonight but your staff,

[51:30] you know, all the way down.

[51:32] There is absolutely in my mind nothing in this presentation tonight

[51:37] that I look at and go, that's utterly ridiculous.

[51:41] So I I I think all of this is

[51:43] is stuff that is

[51:45] holds a lot of merit.

[51:46] It it holds true to what the vision and the focus of our city and our

[51:50] residents have looked for and and asked for.

[51:53] And so I I appreciate that.

[51:56] I also appreciate that the staff is well aware of this discussion we're

[52:00] trying to beat around the bush a little bit with.

[52:02] Because we just don't know what November's bringing.

[52:04] And and I know that all of you are very experienced and very seasoned.

[52:08] And you understand exactly what we're trying to say.

[52:12] We just got to have your way to pay for it, right?

[52:14] There has to the the the investors of our city have to be able to pay

[52:20] for it. What does that mechanism look like?

[52:23] If this is what they want, how does that occur?

[52:25] And the complexity of the budget,

[52:28] thank you for what you do.

[52:30] The complexity of the budget because I'm going to promise you this,

[52:33] Facebook doesn't have a clue how stuff gets funded in municipal

[52:36] government.

[52:38] Not a clue.

[52:39] I have yet to see one single person,

[52:41] a lot with opinions, but none of them have a clue what money comes from

[52:45] where and what restrictions and certain money is is is

[52:48] and how that plays out in municipal government.

[52:50] It's it's very complex, so we appreciate what you guys do.

[52:54] All right, now from that item, um, moving on to item 23, Council

[52:58] Committee reports.

CIP Discussion - June 16, 2026

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