[0:00] Board of the City of Port Orchard expressing support in plan for the Port Orchard Community Event Center project. Second. Motion by Council Member Orozepepi, second by Council Member Turnary, to add a business item, which is the resolution of support for the Community Event Center, and it's a funding plan, and I passed that resolution out to the City Council at the Dias. And that came as, as of yesterday, from the public, I have a litany of

[0:30] Questions the PFD wanted answered so I don't like to walk things under the agenda

[0:36] But I felt this was urgent and I didn't want to wait a couple of weeks to get answers back to the public facilities district board

[0:43] So Councilmember deadman go ahead. Yes, I would like to also have the agenda amended

[0:49] We'll hold on it. We have a motion and a second on the floor that we're about to vote on

[0:53] Yes, to amend the agenda for the resolution of support all on favor of adding that and please say aye

[0:59] Hi. Hi. Any post?

[1:01] Hearing none. Add has been added. Added is this business item F and you have a proposed amendment?

[1:07] Yes.

[1:08] I would like to amend the agenda to remove the public hearing on the issue of, oh wait,

[1:22] is this a new one? Has it already been taken off? Sorry. Let me look. Oh, sorry. Second page.

[1:28] It's different when you see things online.

[1:31] The public testimony on proposition number one, for November 3rd, 2026, General Election,

[1:37] Kitsap County Public Utilities District number one, Authorized Instruction on Acquisition

[1:41] of Electric Facilities.

[1:44] The reason I would like to have-

[1:46] You've made a motion.

[1:48] So I'll second for a sake of discussion.

[1:50] The reason I would like to have this public hearing removed from the agenda is because

[2:02] Port Orchard Municipal Code Section 2.04.235 states that City Council will not take

[2:15] a position on a ballot initiative. And so, while I think hearing from the people is very,

[2:23] it's important. It's nice to give people a venue in which to have their thoughts heard.

[2:34] It might give them the impression that City Council is able to do anything about that. So,

[2:42] So unfortunately by our own laws, we are not allowed to take a position on the ballot

[2:48] initiative put forth by KPUD or any ballot if for that matter.

[2:52] And you are correct that we are not allowed, the city is not allowed to take a position

[2:57] or the city council, but at our previous council meeting, more than one council member in the

[3:04] good or the order portion of the meeting directed me to put this on the agenda, so that's

[3:09] why it's here this evening.

[3:10] I think so. Yes, ma'am.

[3:13] Were they aware of because nothing that I saw let the public know or understand that

[3:25] the city council is not allowed to take a position on the ballot initiative?

[3:39] Were the

[3:40] of a public hearing on the issue.

[3:42] They should have been, so Councilmember Rosapetti.

[3:46] I'm well aware of the rules.

[3:47] I was the one to propose that when it was adopted by this,

[3:51] this is an informational meeting only,

[3:54] and there is no or action be taken by the Kille in accordance with the rules.

[3:59] Nothing precludes us from having a public hearing without acting.

[4:04] I have a question.

[4:05] question.

[4:06] Question's been called for.

[4:08] The motion on the floor.

[4:10] Remove the public hearing from the agenda.

[4:13] It has been seconded.

[4:14] All in favor of removing the public hearing, please say aye.

[4:19] Aye.

[4:20] All those opposed?

[4:22] Please say aye.

[4:24] If you're opposed.

[4:25] How would you say nay then?

[4:28] No, not in favor.

[4:29] Please say nay.

[4:30] Nay.

[4:30] Okay, okay, that motion fails, six to one.

[4:35] I have one more statement.

[4:37] Are you wishing to amend the agenda, Father?

[4:39] I wanted to, they called the question, but we, I wanted to make,

[4:44] oh, I'll bring it up and go to the order, that's fine.

[4:47] All right, are there amendments?

[4:48] The notice stated that we could make a decision,

[4:51] we might make a decision to notice.

[4:52] So if we weren't allowed to, people were noticed in some way.

[4:55] Now, so if I were for no order, yeah, please wait to be recognized.

[4:57] So are there any other amendments to this evening's agenda?

[5:02] Councillor Morose, Peppy.

[5:03] Mayor, I'd move to approve the agenda as amended.

[5:06] Second.

[5:07] There's a motion and a second to approve the agenda as amended.

[5:10] All in favour?

[5:11] Please say aye.

[5:12] Aye.

[5:13] Anyone opposed?

[5:14] Yes.

[5:15] You're opposed to the agenda as amended?

[5:18] You're opposed?

[5:18] Yes, because I didn't include it.

[5:21] I don't.

[5:21] All right.

[5:21] So the approval of the agenda passes 6 to 1.

[5:26] We have a published consent agenda. Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda?

[5:31] Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented.

[5:37] I'm sorry to interrupt.

[5:40] Yes, it is.

[5:49] I'll come back to your motion in a second for the consent agenda.

[5:54] but we will have our first citizen comment period before we approve the consent agenda.

[6:01] Anyone wishing to address the council, you have three minutes.

[6:04] And please be mindful of the flashing light for your three minutes.

[6:09] And step to the microphone and identify yourself for the record.

[6:23] Hello, I'm Heidi Fenton and I live here right in the city.

[6:27] All you stole my seat.

[6:30] You offered me no due process.

[6:33] Yes, because you orchestrated my resignation in order to install a candidate you chose.

[6:42] Not one, the people chose, because you unseen the council member, the people chose.

[6:50] You stole the people's vote.

[6:53] You denied me due process when you kept me out of the executive session in order to hide

[7:00] the allegations from me.

[7:03] You denied me due process when you ignored my repeated knows that I did not want to resign.

[7:15] You denied me due process when I asked for more time and council member Morrissey said,

[7:22] no, you have to decide right now.

[7:25] You threatened me and my family.

[7:30] I did write an email just like the city attorney wanted me to.

[7:36] However, I said sorry for the confusion but I am not resigning.

[7:41] I was still denied no due process.

[7:45] And then you use tax payer funds to pay for outside counsel to cover up your misdeeds.

[7:55] You stole my seat, you stole the people's vote, and because you have proven, you have no interest in an open and transparent government,

[8:06] the people need to ask the Kitsap County Prosecutor Chad Inwright to bring justice and a lawsuit from a friend of a judge to keep all you accountable.

[8:19] Why to preserve the people's vote and do process?

[8:24] Yes, this is much bigger than me.

[8:27] A resignation should be in an open public meeting, not behind closed doors with no accountability,

[8:35] no written statement, no due process, just words of alleged allegations, along with bullying

[8:43] and lies, the voters deserve better.

[8:47] Thank you.

[8:48] There are comments.

[8:51] Is there anyone else wishing to address the council this evening in our first citizen comment period?

[9:02] Hello.

[9:03] My name is Laura Rarrow.

[9:04] I am a Port Order resident.

[9:07] I am concerned about the Senior Day Center program at the Old Gibbons Community Center.

[9:14] The selling of a Kitsap County property next June, supposedly, is a great concern to our senior citizens

[9:24] of Port Orchard City. I attended the town hall last week and my takeaway wasn't what I had

[9:32] expected from my city council. I would expect the council to be more agreeable and willing

[9:39] to support our seniors. It sounds like the seniors have a temporary solution by using the

[9:47] on a temple and are asking for support to pay the rental fee.

[9:54] Ironically, tonight, we will hear about the efforts to raise $4.1 million for the

[10:01] Community Events Center.

[10:03] Obviously, the Council have community connections that could get this done.

[10:10] I heard the possibility of a work-study group to investigate these concerns.

[10:15] If the council is committed to serving our community, then all hands on deck should be conveyed

[10:24] to our seniors, not that these concern parties need to go to a county commissioner meeting

[10:31] to have their concerns addressed.

[10:35] The upcoming presentation even has a slide about how will the new facility be used throughout

[10:43] about the day and how many community members will it serve each year?

[10:48] The senior day center requirements better be addressed in this new facility.

[10:56] And the council should assist in finding the funds or grant money to pay for

[11:02] the Masonic Temple rental fees while we wait for the new center to be built.

[11:08] Thank you.

[11:10] And if you stand at the end of the meeting, I've got an update on this topic in my mayors

[11:13] report.

[11:17] Anyone else wishing to address the council?

[11:19] How about anybody online?

[11:21] If you use the raise your hand feature, the clerk would bring you into the meeting.

[11:31] Tony, you're able to speak now.

[11:34] Good evening, everyone.

[11:36] Tony, I want local journalists, so I want to speak tonight on here for the September 8th.

[11:46] at the special here. Again, I agree with council for dead men. Am I harder speaking about

[11:53] beginning of the meeting. The issue that I have right now is that you guys weren't supposed to

[11:58] talk about it being on the ballot at all. And City Attorney Archer let you know that back in the

[12:05] meeting before and you said, well, okay, we're just going to go ahead and put it on the minutes

[12:09] or on the future meeting to talk about the KPUD,

[12:15] but you all agreed in 2023,

[12:18] not to weigh in on anything on the ballot.

[12:23] And then you solidified that last year

[12:26] by not changing that city ordinance.

[12:29] And so I made a PDC complaint about you guys talking

[12:32] about the very issue even after attorney Archer had said,

[12:37] you guys need to stop talking about it. So I made a PDC complaint and which you guys responded

[12:44] that you knew that you probably shouldn't talk about it so you're not. We're going to have a

[12:47] public hearing on it. But the public hearing, even though it is legal by RCW, it is still against the

[12:53] city ordinance. It says that on your new thing, it says you'll conduct a public hearing to receive

[13:02] you testimony for consideration following the hearing that City Council may consider whether

[13:08] to support or oppose the ballot proposition. I would just like to remind you guys that

[13:14] the City Council will not endorse or oppose a campaign for election or any person to any

[13:19] office for the promotion or opposition to any ballot proposition placed on a ballot for

[13:25] the vote of the people. That's the municipal code. Please obey your

[13:31] own rules. I wrote an article about this. I will follow up after tonight's meeting. I feel

[13:38] people are expecting the council to weigh in and you really can't weigh in. That's against

[13:44] your own rules. And so I feel like you're just doing a little bit of a cleanup. I get it, but I

[13:50] think it waste people's time because people are expecting you guys to support their side of it

[13:56] against KPUD and you really can't.

[13:59] So I feel like it's disingenuous.

[14:02] If a mistake happens, just own the mistake.

[14:04] Don't continue down and double down on it, you know.

[14:08] I know you guys are trying really hard

[14:10] to do the right thing all the time.

[14:12] Sometimes some mistakes happen, just own it.

[14:14] But don't continue down the same path.

[14:18] Thank you.

[14:19] Thank you for your comments.

[14:21] I will, since you brought up the public's disclosure

[14:23] commission complaint, I haven't had a chance

[14:25] Chancellor forwarded out to the council yet, but I have heard back from the public disclosure commission and they found that we did nothing wrong, so they didn't agree with the complaint.

[14:36] Anyone else address the convening in our first citizen comment period?

[14:41] I'm going to close the first citizen comment period and we have a motion on the floor related to our consent.

[15:00] agenda. Councillor Medina, I believe made that motion. Councillor Morsey made the second to approve the consent agenda as presented. All in favor, please say aye. I want to post. Hearing none, the consent agenda passes unanimously. We have two presentations tonight. Both of them are related to the community center. The first is by Brad Thomas, and he is going to give a presentation about the feasibility study.

[15:29] that he is conducted on the city's behalf, related to a fundraising campaign for the community center.

[15:37] So Brad, you have the floor.

[15:40] Thank you, Mayor.

[15:42] Council members, you have an executive summary next to your laptops.

[15:47] It's kind of a combined executive summary.

[15:50] There's one in the feasibility study, there's a phase one report and a phase two proposal.

[15:56] And so just to kind of simplify it all, hey, this is on your desk, if you like to read it, if you haven't read all three proposals.

[16:06] I'm going to jump in with the presentation.

[16:08] Any event center on the front, the first significant in development?

[16:12] Maybe the second, and that we have a new apartment building on the waterfront in Port Orchard.

[16:18] So this really be the second in 50 years.

[16:24] The steering committee and thank you to the mayor for helping recruit the first nine steering committee members.

[16:32] You can see we have a nice variety of business owners, three downtown business owners, business leaders.

[16:41] And so just we have 14 additional five came from the steering committee interviews.

[16:46] And so, thank you, if you are on this list, it's a great group to help kind of, if we move forward with a full-camp capital campaign as a great group of community leaders to help us achieve the $4.1 million that was already mentioned.

[17:03] So, next slide please.

[17:08] Introductions, this kind of reminds me of begin with the end in mind.

[17:13] And so really referencing, hey, what really makes a capital campaign successful?

[17:19] And it's really our ability to go out and establish relationships with prospective donors.

[17:26] And so the steering committee will play a critical role with the city council.

[17:31] We have about 1,500 prospects, and really we've narrowed that list down to two different lists.

[17:39] 125 potential donor prospects came from the 36 steering committee meetings.

[17:46] So people kind of suggesting who we might follow up with.

[17:49] And then we purchased a list of 1,500 names of people who are charitable here in Port Orchard in South Kitsap County.

[17:57] And then we just took the best, the strongest 100 from that list.

[18:02] So really, you have 225 potential donors who may give the next or two to this campaign.

[18:09] Next slide, please.

[18:11] So count capital campaigns work.

[18:15] The first year is a quiet phase where you're really focused on the top 66 prospects on the right over there,

[18:23] of 20th, who have the ability to give, but potential three year commitment of $25,000 or more,

[18:30] you kind of focus on them first.

[18:32] You want to go out, get their advice, and on the project, and see what their excitement is for this project.

[18:41] There's another 66 donors between 5,000 and 24,999 that are also very important.

[18:50] I mean, at the end of the day, everybody's important to a new community event center.

[18:55] The point is, most of this money will be raised from major donors.

[19:00] Some of it will be raised from companies in the foundations, and

[19:02] all these prospects we're talking about are all three constituent groups to make this thing wildly successful.

[19:10] And so next slide,

[19:16] oh, thank you.

[19:18] It looks so much like the last slide, I fooled myself.

[19:20] So, hey, the quiet phase, you go out and have those, and really out of the 225 prospects, if we could get 150, 140 meetings over the next six months, that would look like.

[19:35] And out of those 150, if it boils down to really 25 of those higher level donors and another 15 of the mid-level donors between five and 24,000, so that's where the initial focus is.

[19:49] And once we get to that 70% mark $2.8 million, that's the time when we really kind of broadcast

[19:56] a Imagine Port Orchard capital campaign to the public.

[20:01] And there initially would be kind of an update to the community in the next two or three

[20:08] months if we move forward with this capital campaign on the update and the timeline of construction.

[20:13] So people know what's going on, whether, you know, and we have a sign down there that kind of eludes to that.

[20:21] But really just, and you will see some of the findings from the study, so I won't get ahead of myself.

[20:26] But there's just a great need to update the community on this project in general.

[20:31] And kind of leave the fundraising part out of that, it's my community, so get to those 150 perspectives.

[20:38] Next slide please.

[20:39] Port Orchard's strong, strong sense of community, everybody, especially here for a

[20:44] generate two or three. Obviously, there's a lot of new people moving to

[20:48] Port Orchard, and we would count on their support for this capital campaign as

[20:53] well. Next slide. And if you see a quoted here, it came from somebody we

[20:59] interviewed. We didn't add their names because, you know, I, hey, that's just

[21:06] I want to let you know that's where these quotes came from is one of these 36 people.

[21:11] Out of the 36 people on this list that we interviewed on the left hand side,

[21:16] the local business owners and business leaders, nine of them were business owners,

[21:19] nine of them were business leaders.

[21:21] On the public officials, seven of them were, actually four, we interviewed four of you,

[21:27] two department heads, Orrin Rutt, our county commissioners area,

[21:33] other look official. Out of the community leaders, all of them are retired, two of them are still business leaders and one of them still a business owner.

[21:42] Next slide, please.

[21:45] Oh, if you think about 30x feasibility study interviews, we probably averaged four pays of meeting notes per interview, 144 pages of data that we had to kind of figure out, hey, what were the themes?

[21:59] What were the trends?

[22:00] And so these are the six philanthropic history, okay?

[22:04] The degree with South Kits app, business owners and people are

[22:08] charitable and inclined.

[22:10] So that rated a six, so fairly strong.

[22:14] You have South Kits app help line, go ahead.

[22:20] Is this on the, thank you, yeah, thank you, John, our Commissioner

[22:25] or Councilor Morrissey, yes, great point, yes, a scale 1 to 10.

[22:30] And so, project awareness is the second one there.

[22:34] How well does the community know about the project and where it's at?

[22:39] And so this rates the lowest just because this project was approved seven years ago.

[22:45] You, the City Council, and including the mayor and leaders here in the city have been

[22:51] working at generating 80% of the funding over those last six or seven years and so really that's why there hasn't been great communication.

[23:01] We have actually a plan to get this from a 5.4 to a 7.4 here in the next two or three months in our feasibility study report.

[23:10] Trust for civic leadership, this one scored a 6.1 so it's one of those that hey this is good.

[23:20] It's a solid score, obviously, you get 36 people.

[23:26] It doesn't matter if they're just ran.

[23:28] And we pick these people fairly randomly that we selected to interview.

[23:35] So this is a pretty good mix.

[23:38] Community enthusiasm, the level of genuine excitement for

[23:42] the Port Orchard Community Event Center at 6.5.

[23:47] That's, you know, you'll see some findings quoted here in just a second on the next slide.

[23:53] Goal, Achieveability, the likelihood of achieving the capital campaign success, raising

[23:59] 4.1 and a C3.

[24:02] You know, sometimes you'd like to see a little bit higher than that, but Nate Hershey, my business

[24:07] partner and I just let it help lead a $4 million campaign in East Grace Harbor County,

[24:13] which is an area of 20,000 people and when we did the feasibility study coming out of that and then we began the campaign

[24:21] there was probably three or four people in the whole East Graves Harbor County that thought we could raise

[24:27] $3 million. Well less than two years later we had to raise $4 million and so in such a small rule area

[24:35] I am super confident that we can raise $4 million for an outstanding first-class community events center

[24:42] here in Port Orchard. In the last one, leadership readiness, steering committee, city council,

[24:49] and Northwest Philanthropic partners is 6.5. I adjusted this from the feasibility study

[24:58] just looking at and thinking about it. It's like, hey, we're ready, in my opinion, and so that's why

[25:03] that got adjusted here in the last week or two. So, next slide, please.

[25:09] 97% of the interviews support the project, 65% of the interviews regarding the global is attainable, go ahead.

[25:18] 37% of the interviews had concerns about how the building would be used during the day, outside of rentals.

[25:25] And so obviously lots of rentals in the evening, on the weekends, and some through the day, what else?

[25:30] I want to know what the building would be used for, next slide please.

[25:35] This is really important with those top tiered owners, let's say if they're going to think about giving $250,000 or more, they really want to know, and others want to know how this project would align with a 30 year vision for the city of Port Orchard, and how will it help transform downtown in the waterfront, and so they're just looking for a little more compelling vision.

[26:02] And that's some of Pacific Medical Center, their vision to give you an idea, is to help create the healthiest community in the nation.

[26:11] It's pretty bold, and so that's, I think people are looking for a bold vision, that in that way this would align with that, so we'll go ahead and next slide.

[26:21] And this is our comprehensive plan for the city of Port Orchard, and it's kind of an attempt at some form of a vision.

[26:28] But I think we can do a lot better, if we got all the business leaders, especially in downtown.

[26:33] community members, city councilors, all together for a couple hours, I know we could come up with a stronger, more compelling vision.

[26:42] Next slide, programs, we've kind of already alluded to this, how many people would be served by the community events and

[26:50] to kind of quantify that, both through rentals and hopefully programs for seniors and youth.

[26:56] Next slide, please.

[26:58] A committee chair, super important that we have kind of a committee chair who is a business

[27:05] and community leader who would lead by example, by being very generous and charitable, a unifying

[27:12] voice well known as a community leader who had gone on leaders work from individuals, companies

[27:17] and foundations. So it's super important to the success of this campaign slide, please.

[27:24] Committedly the steering committee I believe is 100% committed to city council, it's important

[27:29] that we have almost 100% if not 100% from the city council as well and the city directors

[27:37] and leaders.

[27:38] I was like we need everybody to be willing to help volunteer and hopefully give financially

[27:42] as well.

[27:44] So these are a key success for any good capital campaign, next slide.

[27:48] Port Orchard is a community with residents who genuinely believed this community event center and would want it to succeed.

[27:57] And the last slide is,

[28:01] let's bring a first class Port Orchard, hey, let's bring Port Orchard together to support our new community event center.

[28:11] And with that, are there any questions about the feasibility study, phase one report, or phase two?

[28:21] And just to Brad's point there, the community center has rooms available to use during the day.

[28:28] But there aren't any rooms dedicated to a specific group or entity.

[28:34] And so it's probably, well, there could be a yoga class in there, or other activities.

[28:41] And who knows what programs could be brought when we have a Parks and

[28:46] Ricks, levy supporting staff to do, to provide those staff.

[28:52] But there's nothing preventing the private sector from a yoga instructor,

[28:56] somebody renting a room down there.

[28:57] Because we have rooms in space, and I think much of the use is going to be in the evening's events.

[29:04] this weekend's weddings and things of that nature, so I just wanted to address that one image that's been poked at a couple of times there.

[29:12] And next steps really in this, this is Brad bringing the feasibility step forward and phase one.

[29:23] Right now, and Noah's going to follow Brad here with a presentation that the Finance Committee saw.

[29:31] Two months ago, ahead of the public facility's district meeting,

[29:34] no one I gave a presentation to the public facility's district.

[29:38] .

[30:00] Update on the community center and the funding plan, our expectation was that the next meeting that they were going to draft an ILA. And they didn't have any questions that evening for NOAA and I, but they had a series of questions at that next meeting. And so in one of the points they made, they've never seen a formal resolution for nozzles in sports pro. So that's the item. I just leave that.

[30:29] Yeah, a weekend, those questions I work on the most of the day and I'm hopeful to get their questions answered by the end of the week.

[30:37] They're likely going to then hold a special meeting.

[30:40] We really have to have this funding agreement in place, and the ILA, that's step one before we can jump forward with a fundraising campaign to get us over the finish line.

[30:54] All right, so questions for Brad about his feasibility study or next steps, Kess, Council

[30:59] Moell.

[31:00] Yeah, not so much a question, Brad, but thank you for all the work you've been doing.

[31:04] I know I met with you with the amount of interviews that you've already spent time doing

[31:09] and whatnot, and it wasn't a five minute interview.

[31:14] Well, as long as we have like an August 15 deadline with definition of all, well, we actually

[31:20] He did five after the deadline, which is because a couple of you would like.

[31:24] And one of our steering, two of our steering committee members kind of contacted me after the deadline and said, hey, can you do a couple more, and then I met Orn wrote recently, recently, and so we interviewed him here last week and so yeah, thank you.

[31:38] I appreciate you for all the work and time that you put into it, so thank you.

[31:42] Councilmember Rose Peppie.

[31:44] Brad, Eric's comments.

[31:46] Thank you very much.

[31:47] What you're doing, we're just starting the race

[31:49] and we'll get to the finish line.

[31:52] I hadn't thought about this till now.

[31:54] Libraries going in down below.

[31:56] Are they running as similar?

[31:59] Are we running parallel with them?

[32:01] Are we keeping in touch?

[32:02] Or are we doing completely separate?

[32:04] It's a great question.

[32:06] There's a point towards the end on the new executive summary

[32:09] in front of you that kind of alludes to that.

[32:11] And so we met with Wendy and somebody helped me out.

[32:18] Hey, so we met with the Kitsap Regional Library Foundation twice, along with,

[32:23] and I know that this is kind of a similar partnership, the Kitsap Community Foundation

[32:28] would be the agency, physical agency for this project, and we met with them twice.

[32:34] So yes, hey, and then to finish your question or to finish the answer to your question,

[32:39] And the answer is they're doing a $2 million capital campaign.

[32:44] They have started, I don't know, a year ago.

[32:48] And then they restarted here a few months ago.

[32:51] So they're trying to raise $2 million at the same time that we would be raising $4 million.

[32:56] We kind of committed to continuing meeting monthly for as long as these campaigns go.

[33:02] Just to make sure we are kind of working together and not competing.

[33:07] even sharing lead donors, and we'll ask some of their donors, but they'll know that, and we'll go into those meetings by thanking that donor first and then having a conversation.

[33:23] So anyway, it's a great question and thank you.

[33:25] No, I know sometimes double banging can be people don't like that, and doing that, I think it's the right way to go, so thank you.

[33:33] And we actually have a steering committee member who also sits on their committee, and she kind of looked at both prospect list.

[33:40] And there was only about 20 crossovers donors, and so out of 225, that's not very many, but we'll be really mindful of kind of working together.

[33:50] We purposely have three members that are on both committees because we know that we have to work together and not against each other.

[33:59] Yes.

[33:59] That was very purposeful.

[34:01] And before I added those members that were already on their committee, I met with Jason Driver and E and I are in lockstep on that.

[34:09] That it's important that we have overlap.

[34:12] So Councillor Mitchell.

[34:13] Thank you so much.

[34:14] I wanted to first again, as some others have said, thank you for all the work that you put in here.

[34:20] It was very instructive for me to read through all the materials because I, having never been

[34:26] a part of a capital campaign before, was just really fascinated at how meticulously planned

[34:33] a campaign can really be that will hopefully be successful. And because it's sort of a newer concept

[34:41] to me, phases are breaking it down into like the phase one, the quiet phase, and then the phase two.

[34:49] I wasn't quite sure where the prospects, especially our higher level donors, were those phase one or were those phase two where they will be proposition for those donations.

[35:02] So a great question and it will be in the beginning of phase one and so really that second steering committee will hopefully will be the beginning of October and that will be a good half hour conversation.

[35:15] Who could potentially give a quarter, half million, a million, to put a name on the building?

[35:21] There's been some conversations without me even saying anything to one of our partners who's had a couple conversations with a couple of their donors.

[35:30] So one of those things, there, after a E2 steering committee meeting, this thing will really get going in the first three, four months.

[35:41] But yeah, it's a great question.

[35:42] And for those of both of you, I put a case for support on your desk.

[35:48] And that case for support, we've got really good feedback in the feasibility study period.

[35:53] And so that will be updated.

[35:55] And so we had a couple of two community members who we interviewed in one spouse who gave us like professor English type of feedback.

[36:06] And so anyway, it will be updated and

[36:08] improved if we move forward with the campaign.

[36:11] And I just have like one more question.

[36:14] So just because I understand that sometimes who are able to

[36:20] give at the levels that are kind of pointed out in here,

[36:23] appreciate some privacy.

[36:25] And because this is a public process,

[36:29] I just wanted to just double check and make sure, like,

[36:33] Like do those donors become only publicly known once their name goes on a wall somewhere

[36:42] or like how are we protecting the privacy of the individuals who are potentially going

[36:49] into this and supporting this project.

[36:51] Hey, that's a great question.

[36:54] And we will make sure that these names don't get shared in a book meeting like this and

[37:00] And we'll work with the mayor and others to make sure that doesn't happen because you're right.

[37:05] Donor privacy is critically important for this.

[37:08] And yes, hopefully that will be the first time that you'll see a donor's name on no list,

[37:15] but really on the donor wall at the new community event center.

[37:18] So great, great call out and thank you for that.

[37:22] That's Bernardina.

[37:23] Yeah, I'll keep mine short.

[37:25] Thank you very much for meeting with me.

[37:27] Like others have said, it was very valuable.

[37:29] But for me, this is literally my first rodeo of something of this scale.

[37:33] And so I appreciate you taking the time and helping walk through that with me and breaking it down for me.

[37:38] So thank you very much for taking a firm out of time out of your day to do that.

[37:41] I appreciate it.

[37:45] Thank you for your presentation.

[37:48] All the work you've done so far.

[37:50] A couple of things for me, you can update that slide.

[37:53] Wendy Kyle, Jason Driver, those are community leaders that you're working with.

[37:57] Add those to the list as well as Tino, Brian, and all the people you're having conversations with in our county.

[38:02] So, I think this is a great start, a great place to go.

[38:06] When I total these all up, they are total more than there were goal in our, I assume you did that on purpose.

[38:13] Talk to me about how we as a whole might connect them.

[38:19] Are we planning on doing something on our website, do we need to get some cards and carrying for you?

[38:23] I want to be prepared to help this process in any way, shape, or form so that I can, how can we help you?

[38:32] Yeah, so that's a great question, so I'm going to answer that part.

[38:37] So right there, imagine Port Orchard.

[38:39] You guys did that work about six years ago, roughly.

[38:44] And so hey, if you don't know, there's an Imagine Port Orchard website.

[38:48] There's an Imagine Port Orchard video.

[38:50] Hey, our proposal is all that will get updated in the next two to three months.

[38:56] And so that would be part of that communication plan to the community.

[39:00] And then I'm hoping that any and all city council members will join us at either the next

[39:07] steering committee meeting at the beginning of October or the one following that and just

[39:12] be of the process and help us find your friends, your neighbors, people who you may, and a lot

[39:18] A lot of times we don't know if they're charitable and client.

[39:21] We have to go meet with them, share the case for support, talk about the project,

[39:25] and then we'll find out in a meeting or two.

[39:29] And so, introduction meetings, helping us with introduction meetings, and then even cultivation meetings after that.

[39:34] And so, I just realized, hey, I don't know where the money's gonna come from.

[39:40] That last campaign we did for $4 million, like here in rural America, I had no idea whether it's gonna be corporate,

[39:47] foundation money, major donors, because when we started that last campaign, there were no major donors.

[39:54] So kind of like this, you see the poor orchard has no donors, right?

[39:57] So this prospect list is super important to this success of this campaign.

[40:02] So my guess is that we might get a million dollars from foundations and companies, and

[40:07] another three million dollars from major donors.

[40:11] I've been doing this for 38 years, so that's a pretty good educated estimate.

[40:16] But hey, if we get an unusual state grant for a million dollars, obviously we're going to blow past what I just said.

[40:25] I don't know where it's going to come from.

[40:27] We got in rule, we got over a million dollars in corporate funding.

[40:32] But some of it was managed from heaven.

[40:34] And so, but so at the end of the day, I've done this, you know, to meet my fifth capital campaign.

[40:40] So, I have a good idea where the money will come from.

[40:43] I just, you know, I'm not sure exactly.

[40:47] So.

[40:47] And it's kind of like a follow-up then on that I'm not going to get this term from leadership readiness.

[40:55] Yes.

[40:56] 6.5, right?

[40:58] Yes.

[40:58] So, tell me about that number.

[41:00] What is 6.5?

[41:01] My interpretation sounds like we're 65% ready if we're on a scale.

[41:04] of 10, and maybe that's not what it is, but give me some of that color, and if that's not what it is, how do we get that to a 10?

[41:13] Yeah, and that's a great question.

[41:16] So a couple things, you know, I need to meet with the City Council and numbers that I haven't met with.

[41:22] As soon as we get that new contract for phase two signed, so that's number one, number two, getting that committee chair, right?

[41:29] And so, over the next, hopefully, 30 days we'll get that right person to help lead this effort.

[41:36] I totally lost train of thought.

[41:39] So, tell me the question again.

[41:40] So, we're not at a 6.5.

[41:42] Oh, 6.5?

[41:43] Yeah, thank you.

[41:43] A 6.5 for leadership.

[41:45] Steering committee, I feel, it was like an endane.

[41:47] Yeah.

[41:47] And when I say that, now go ahead, let's call them at 8.

[41:50] Hey, they're at 8.

[41:51] Do I get recruit to be part of this?

[41:54] And I think we, I need to go out and kind of solidify that, hey, this is a fund rate.

[41:57] I mean, they all know it's a $4 million capital campaign, but just to answer their questions like I'm answering your questions now, I need to do that with all of these steering committee members.

[42:08] So that will get that score up a little higher, and then I think a Northwest philanthropist partners were at 10, we're ready to go, we're excited about this, so that's how we get that up to a 9.

[42:20] Right, a couple of tools we have in our toolbox too, remember the naming rights, so we've got that available to us.

[42:28] And Brianna and I met last week and I've already had conversations with our senator and

[42:34] number, our legislative agenda that you guys will see in two weeks will have a million dollars asked from the capital.

[42:42] And if we get $7.50, I think that will be a wind and that will go into that $4 million that we're looking to raise.

[42:54] So we got a couple of things out there that we're pretending to add to this process.

[43:01] Any other questions for Brad?

[43:03] Thank you, Brad.

[43:04] Thank you.

[43:05] Thanks, Brad.

[43:06] Okay, NOAA is now going to give the finance committee as I alluded to earlier, saw this presentation, he's just updated the need on it, and then NOAA and I gave this same presentation to the public facilities district at their end of June, and so this is just, I know that Councillor Mitchell and Councillor Member Deadman, they in particular haven't been around in this process, so it's probably useful information

[43:36] So this is a rendering of the community center, it's a 24,000 square foot facility.

[43:43] The bottom floor is the new branch up regional library, and

[43:47] the second floor is event space and meeting rooms.

[43:51] And it's located where the current Kitsat Bank building sits.

[43:57] and hopefully it'll be co-related, look, the Orchard Strait Pazzo will be co-located next to it.

[44:06] We've been in conversations and we've seen presented renderings of this two-story topographical map that shows Sinclair Inlet

[44:22] and it has a historic Native American sites on it and we're really excited about this

[44:29] this art feature that you'll see at the entryway and from the second floor also.

[44:35] And then the City Council was very passionate about having a

[45:01] And so, that was a significant add, it's got about a half a million dollar price tag to that sculpture. But that is a rendering of what the cracken on the backside of the library on the water side. That's the pathway in front of the building. And the water is, we're standing in the water, I guess, or sitting in a boat, looking back at the community center.

[45:26] So, and this is the master plan that we've been working on for years for downtown.

[45:35] You've got the top left corner is the community center.

[45:38] The Marina pump station has been built surrounding all of that is the orchard trade plaza,

[45:43] which will be the home for our farmers market.

[45:46] It was envisioned that it was going to build their new headquarters in the right hand corner

[45:53] of this rendering there.

[45:55] And of course that isn't going to happen.

[45:58] Heritage bank, they've sold the Heritage Bank.

[46:01] But the entitlements are in place for that three story building.

[46:07] And they have value and the bank is marketing that property and

[46:13] their property across the street, where our master prying effort

[46:19] is envisions a two-story parking garage and residential towers sitting on top of that.

[46:25] So, I'm not sure what else I've got, so this, as we all know, every November about March,

[46:32] if we, when we have king tides, and if we get rain on that same day, we get water flooding

[46:37] the roadway, and so next year we'll be constructing a new roadway, we're going to raise the road

[46:46] a foot and a half, and actually I'm talking about the road, but this slide's about the

[46:52] So that happens when you're across the room, but now we've got the road project and so we're going to rebuild the road.

[47:01] The underground, the power, replace all the utilities and build the road a foot and a half taller so that the flooding won't be an issue any longer.

[47:12] So, and this is where NOAA is going to take over and talk about the funding plan that

[47:17] we detailed with the Public Facilities District and hope to gain your support of.

[47:22] Yeah, thank you Mayor.

[47:24] So again, the following slides were provided to the BFD.

[47:27] We have nice presentation.

[47:29] And I think what was important about the presentation is it's really investment in three large

[47:33] major projects.

[47:35] The community events there is SMA roughly 35 million.

[47:37] in the plaza with another $5.4 and then the base reconstruction $13.0 million for a total

[47:43] of roughly $55 million in this part of the city. So significant investment in downtown

[47:49] poor orchard. When we met with the PFT part of the meeting was to give them update on the

[47:56] project but also to make a poor additional ask as we finally got some updated project costs

[48:02] and identified a funding gap where the PFT could step in and assist.

[48:07] The request was roughly for $4.2 million of additional funding,

[48:11] $3 million of which would be in cash, a part of this proposal would then have the city use its LTGO debt capacity to issue the bonds to fund the project.

[48:24] The total commitment from the KPFT would be about $22.7 million.

[48:29] Again, that's based on their ability to provide 60% of the toll bus.

[48:35] I think it's something though, before you move on there Noah, while they're $7 million in debt being issued by the city, the public facilities district through our ILA will be making the payments on that debt.

[48:47] And that's the same structure that Paul's Bo has put in place for their new perk project, where the Paul's Bo issued the debt.

[48:55] that public facilities district has a contract that for the payment of that debt.

[49:04] Yes, the accountant against our bond and netted it, yes.

[49:09] That's a very good point, Mayor, and it will count against our debt capacity.

[49:14] And part of the calculation that they are doing is what kind of debt burden can their sales tax provide.

[49:21] So they're financial advisors doing that calculation to see if $17 million at a 20-year financing's

[49:27] supportable by their tax source.

[49:30] Again, all of that will be outlined with the ILA where they'll make the revenue commitment towards the debt.

[49:36] Dr. Cacker, where'd we come up with $35.5?

[49:39] That's a new number for this project at this point.

[49:43] No, it's not.

[49:44] It's the total for the design.

[49:47] The building itself constructs is 25 million, which has been a number since 2023.

[49:55] It's actually went down 300,000, but we've got the construction cost, the design cost.

[50:00] One major change from the very beginning was we thought when we started the design, that the sea wall that's there right now would stay.

[50:14] But the engineers determined that the seawall when the bank building is holding up the seawall when the bank building is in which this isn't new information that's been shared previously and probably not with everybody in the room, it won't stand by itself.

[50:32] So I think the numbers two and a half million dollars for the seawall replacement and then there was envisioned public art, but not a half a million dollar cracking.

[50:43] And so that's an additional cost to get to that total of the 35.

[50:51] Yeah, and your timing's perfect, Councilmember Morsi, because we have a project budget on the

[50:55] same slide on the use of funds kind of detailing out exec that the mayor went through.

[50:59] So we have multiple phases to this project.

[51:01] Again, the acquisition phase, acquiring the bank's site, roughly $3.5 million.

[51:06] Again, we're in this design phase at $2.5 million.

[51:09] Then you get the construction of the facility, construction of the seawall.

[51:12] the public art and then a little bit for contingency as we've learned with all projects it's very

[51:18] important to have a little contingency built into your toll project budget. So that's how we

[51:22] round off to the total $35.5 million. Based on our, again, our engineers recent estimates.

[51:34] I'm just going to say you're not going to get a bigger fan of this project, right? You know I was on

[51:37] the PFD. I helped get the additional funding, right? That's how we got from 12 million to 18 million

[51:44] in PFD funding, and that's because price is escalated.

[51:48] I've never seen a price tag with this with $35 million on it.

[51:51] So that's the same slide we shared with the five committee.

[51:54] I'm sure to say, I understand it's updating.

[51:57] I didn't get the question at the time, but at some point we got an update.

[52:01] I don't know when we jumped from in the 20s to in the 30, because that would have been

[52:04] the first time I saw it, I didn't ask that question at that time.

[52:07] I will admit to that.

[52:08] I just, I didn't think twice about it until I went.

[52:12] the construction cost is $25 million and has been for about three years.

[52:16] And it might be, it depends on how you talk about the project, because if you ignore the initial acquisition phase,

[52:21] you're ignoring $3.5 million that we've invested in the product.

[52:24] You're only focused on the $25 million of construction.

[52:28] I'm looking at as a total project, like what did this project?

[52:31] I am too, that's, again, that's how I wanted, how we got to that number because our initial ask of the PFD was based off of the total number.

[52:38] And so 66% to get us a 12 million, you know, we've grown, right?

[52:43] Like this project, just so folks know, I know the folks are here for our Senior Center as well, right?

[52:50] Like this has been on almost 10 year project and has now doubled in cost.

[52:55] So it's just super tricky getting stuff done within government, it doesn't go fast.

[53:01] I am super appalled that I had the decision and voted on funding for this completely on another end, years and years and years ago.

[53:11] Now here we are, so that's how these things, I was curious how we got to that point.

[53:15] One of the questions from the PFD is how we got to this number.

[53:19] Also, and part of that answer to that is, when a matching port orchard happened and the community went to there, we had an idea.

[53:30] Okay, we had no, and we didn't, they didn't, the community didn't know what a 24,000 square foot building and property acquisition and design was going to cost and we were way off.

[53:44] And I will tell you while I wasn't on that decision phase, I came in directly after the project was written on the PFD, I think the PFD has since learned and would have done things differently, knowing what they know today.

[53:57] I don't know that we would be funded back then.

[54:00] I'm super happy we did, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm going to take advantage of that today.

[54:05] I'm just curious on how we got there.

[54:06] So I won't be able to remember, go ahead.

[54:09] I just had a quick question, looking at the cost as John has.

[54:14] My concern is the contingency at a million dollar, the appropriate level, with way

[54:21] construction costs go up and down I'm used to usually seeing about a 10% but I will defer to the

[54:29] experts in this case. It's just something that is is of concern to me when we're looking for an

[54:36] accurate number. Fair question. We aren't unlike City Hall, we're not remodeling, we're

[54:41] and construction and so we hope it's enough and we don't have an unintended consequences.

[54:50] Council member, go ahead.

[54:51] Yeah, has the Dr. Ryan C-Wall ordered and designed and is it in permittance?

[54:56] Yes.

[54:57] Yep.

[54:59] It is.

[54:59] We are waiting on Miss Archer.

[55:02] Have we gotten that final?

[55:04] No.

[55:04] We're staying on one document from the Army Corps but all the permits have been applied for.

[55:10] It's in to review with the Army Corps and we're very, they've extended it twice.

[55:15] The Army Corps has just their backlog, but we're very close.

[55:21] Okay, let me go ahead Mr. Crowder.

[55:25] So moving on, I think it's important to review the funding sources.

[55:29] So when we look at the total project funding sources, we contributed roughly $1 million

[55:33] from the general fund, where we're relying heavily on our parking pack fees, $4 million.

[55:38] The kids asked for a parking packer.

[55:39] Can you make sure you're speaking in your microphone?

[55:41] We're not picking it up, be it real good.

[55:43] Just make sure you get your mind closer to it.

[55:46] All right, we'll try it this way.

[55:48] So the general fund, roughly a million dollars, again, park in fact fees, big contribution, $4.1 million.

[55:55] Kits out regional lab committed to $10 million.

[55:58] So that's a big effort that they're going to come through with.

[56:01] We have a state grant, recreation office for $500,000.

[56:05] Department of Commerce has already committed to the $1.2 million part of the purchase phase,

[56:10] the acquisition phase, and now we're looking with a KPFD for a combination of cash on hand as well as the revenue streamed issue of the debt to round out the risk of the project.

[56:22] We have a little bit reserved here, the $879,000, a part of the fundraising efforts for the Community Vent Center portion of this project.

[56:29] A larger portion of that fundraising efforts is going to go towards the plaza.

[56:35] So I guess before I move on from plaza, any questions on the funding sources here identified?

[56:40] This is for the community center itself.

[56:43] So I'm sure you covered this, but the foundation, the money that Brad's raising, where would

[56:52] that be in here?

[56:53] It's a separate line.

[56:54] It's the last row of fundraisers for roughly $880,000.

[56:59] Okay.

[56:59] And then we got the plaza.

[57:00] The plaza is the largest portion of the fundraisers effort.

[57:03] Of that side.

[57:03] Okay.

[57:04] So as the-

[57:04] Another slide coming.

[57:06] Okay.

[57:07] I've seen it, I just didn't know where it was at.

[57:10] Thank you.

[57:11] And I just want to point here at the KPFD, they've very committed and paid out roughly $2.7 million in cash as a part of the design efforts and the acquisition phase.

[57:21] So that $3 million of additional cash is shown up here in this $5.7 million proposal.

[57:28] Again, the plazas estimate roughly $5.4 million for

[57:33] 4.1 million are for construction, we're done with design, so here are 40,000, and then a little bit for contingency for a $5.4 million project budget.

[57:43] On the sourcing side, again, a big commitment from the general fund at $1.2 million, park impact fees are capped at $1.5 million.

[57:51] With the, again, fundraising efforts, the $2.7 million, that's where the other big chunk of funding has come in from for this part project.

[58:00] And it may not be realistic to go to a bid with the clause at the same time that that's our goal, and it'll really depend too on we're going to have an alternate and if we get good bids, then we'll figure this portion of that out, but it'd be unfortunate if we had to wait on that a couple of years and build the community's fraction cycles.

[58:26] So, I don't remember, Dean, or did you?

[58:28] You just answered my question, thank you.

[58:31] Councilor Morsey.

[58:31] Yeah, what's the plaza score well for parks, grants,

[58:36] or anything like that since it's basically not that award?

[58:39] For the 500,000 earlier, 250, or 500, which wasn't no one.

[58:44] We have 500,000 for the community events center,

[58:47] and I believe DCD did apply for grant

[58:49] and did not receive it for the plaza.

[58:50] Okay, so I don't think it scored well.

[58:53] Really?

[58:55] Okay.

[58:55] Yeah, maybe I'd say go back to that well, let's draw a couple of times again and see what else we can get in our bucket.

[59:02] I'm asking the capital budget, but the parks grants have cycles to them and so I'm trying to say let's not give up on that because I think we could use those funds, you can move that around.

[59:14] I would think we're trying every possible source imaginable and including a fundraising campaign.

[59:23] I can move on to the, again, the third large project is the Bay Street Reconstruction.

[59:30] I kind of identified all the different cost breakdowns, but essentially it's a $13.6 million project involving all our utilities, street, water, sewer, storm, construction management.

[1:00:00] With joint utility trench work to be done as well with PSC. So significant project, we'll talk more in a second when we talk about the capital budget, because this project is included. But this is a 13-point million dollar project, big, big commitment by the city. Again, on the source of funding, we have a variety of sources here between the general fund using a significant amount of REIT, water operating funds, storm operating funds, sewer operating fund. The mayor was very successful in getting federal grant money for this project.

[1:00:29] So, we got $6.5 million federal grant funds awarded, as well as another million dollars from the State Department of Commerce.

[1:00:38] Lastly, we will be relying upon our transportation impact fees to supplant the rest of the funding for the project.

[1:00:44] So, a lot of local dollars, a lot of federal money and a lot of grant money included in this project as well.

[1:00:55] Any questions on this particular project?

[1:00:57] Go ahead.

[1:00:58] Do I have any comments on that?

[1:00:59] Not so much question, statements.

[1:01:03] I find it problematic to see that we spent $4.1 million in park impact fees when we have a park that doesn't have a swing set.

[1:01:11] And it has gravel, rubble, what do you call that pebbles underneath of the area that doesn't make it physically accessible.

[1:01:18] I have a problem when we keep talking about the state of our parks.

[1:01:21] And yet we poured 4.1 million dollars of park impact fees into this building that still doesn't exist.

[1:01:29] Like they said, this has been talked about for 10 years or whatever.

[1:01:33] I've been on this council for less than a year and I've already had to agree to budget amendments, contract amendment.

[1:01:43] This unity center, it's called a community center, has been a money pit for my perspective.

[1:01:50] And we call it a community center, and yet our seniors came here and said, here's a place for us, and then we punted.

[1:02:00] So is this a community center, or isn't it a community center?

[1:02:03] Especially if we are not only pouring money into it that the community could be using now.

[1:02:10] But then we're going to be asking them to increase their taxes as we keep talking about affordability.

[1:02:16] We keep giving lip service to affordability.

[1:02:19] But we're expecting them to take on more taxes to pay for the ongoing operationals.

[1:02:24] I have a problem with that.

[1:02:27] Fair question, but the funding source,

[1:02:30] 60% of the community center is coming from the public facilities district.

[1:02:35] And then they imagine, or orchard campaign, it was defined specifically what the purpose of the facility is.

[1:02:43] to your concern about the maintenance of our parks.

[1:02:48] Unfortunately, we can get grants and we can use capital dollars only for capital construction.

[1:02:55] We can't use these dollars to buy swings and the things of that nature.

[1:03:02] These items, part of why we're going to be updating our parks plan is we have to have elements in our parks plan

[1:03:13] and to be able to utilize park impact fees to deploy those.

[1:03:19] We just can't spend, we're not allowed to spend them on things that aren't capital construction projects.

[1:03:26] Council Member Mitchell, go ahead.

[1:03:28] Thank you, and I hate to like step in on here, because I know everybody has their own priorities.

[1:03:35] But I think for the purposes of through presentation and to also just maybe go with

[1:03:42] That's what the mayor is saying.

[1:03:45] Unfortunately, as much as we do want to prioritize other things as well, as I understand it, the limitation is where those funding sources are coming from.

[1:03:56] The federal governments and state agencies unfortunately aren't going to kick in X amount of money for our swing sets.

[1:04:06] As upsetting as that is, they're not going to help us with that.

[1:04:12] They might help us with the community event center, but they will only do so if we also kick in money on our own to match some of that I'm guessing.

[1:04:23] And so this is a big collaborative project that I hope I can remind people that this doesn't mean that the other things aren't important.

[1:04:34] It's a way of essentially leveraging what assets we do have with the hope that down the line,

[1:04:44] this will be a benefit to the community.

[1:04:47] Also, secondarily, also open up in other avenues that will allow us to hopefully find ways

[1:04:53] of supporting our existing parks.

[1:04:55] And I know something that has been talked about a lot is the creation of a parks department.

[1:04:59] Where if we get a district, a park's district, that might actually turn into something as well,

[1:05:06] then the line to support those other needs.

[1:05:09] So I just hopefully can bring the temperature down a little bit on this discussion.

[1:05:14] That this is not about saying that our current parks are not important.

[1:05:19] It's trying to find what we can do within the box that we have.

[1:05:26] I hope I'm correcting that.

[1:05:29] That's a reward.

[1:05:30] Yeah, I don't think you're correcting that.

[1:05:32] I have, if my neighbor had a house and they were falling in,

[1:05:36] and they pull up brand new Porsche, that's to serve.

[1:05:39] There's priorities that you're looking at that,

[1:05:41] and you're saying to yourself, where are there priorities

[1:05:45] and not fixing things that need to be fixed?

[1:05:49] This is a capital project when we redid CEO.

[1:05:52] Well, it's not, we didn't build a brand new building.

[1:05:57] We fixed an existing building.

[1:06:00] You don't have to, you don't have to construct a brand new park to fix a park.

[1:06:10] You can use capital dollars and there's thresholds that make something a capital project.

[1:06:16] And you can fix our local parks.

[1:06:20] You don't have to build a brand new park to use capital dollars.

[1:06:23] You use capital dollars to, or impact these, you use impact fees to renew lift stations to retrofit lines.

[1:06:34] Those aren't brand new, they're brand new when you redo them.

[1:06:41] There's a grain, there's a grain of truth in both of your statements and

[1:06:44] And the capital dollars have to be spent on things that are in our capital plans.

[1:06:51] And when the swing set breaks, I can't just go grab some capital dollars and replace the swing.

[1:06:58] So when we read, but you can read, but you can read, do a part for sure, if it's in our parks plan.

[1:07:05] And if it's in the parks part.

[1:07:07] And I would ask possibly a parliamentarian to weigh in.

[1:07:12] We're having a discussion, we're waiting for funding presentation.

[1:07:17] And for specifics, so I'd ask that we go to that and

[1:07:20] we will have a chance to talk these comments when we get to the motion forward.

[1:07:27] All right, let Mr. Pregner finish his presentation here.

[1:07:31] So I know we start talking about the events center, but this lies about face street.

[1:07:34] And so I just want to clarify, there's no question on the base street construction.

[1:07:40] Okay, and then I think, you know, this is a good discussion, healthy discussion.

[1:07:43] I think what's important is that a part of this large investment that's doing the base street,

[1:07:48] community events center and the plaza, it builds a brand new library.

[1:07:52] It's a community events center, it's going to create a vibrant outdoor public space

[1:07:55] with as a welcoming gateway to Port Orchard's beautiful waterfront.

[1:07:59] Again, as we talk to the PFT, we talk about why this is important because it's a place where

[1:08:03] You know, we can get together, learn, connect with our community and life on the waterfront.

[1:08:09] A community united in commitment.

[1:08:11] If you look at all the different pieces of funding that we've had to cobble together for this project, it's been a big effort.

[1:08:18] And projects do take a long time, line out in advance, in place, to those funds, and that's what we've done.

[1:08:23] We have some 4.1 million to add.

[1:08:25] But we've taken the steps in which to get those fees in place and set that money aside.

[1:08:30] So when the project was ready, we'd have cash available to complete a project.

[1:08:34] And as you learn with all our transportation projects, it does take time to allow this fees to come in and mature.

[1:08:41] Lastly, I think we talked about the KFP that we really appreciate their partnership, because without them, this project couldn't go forward.

[1:08:48] There's such an important part of the human events center and the plaza in general.

[1:08:52] So thank you for your time.

[1:08:54] Listen to the presentation on the funding sources, and if you have questions on it, happy to take them.

[1:08:58] Any questions directly about Mr. Crocker's presentation?

[1:09:06] Councillor Dina?

[1:09:06] I just had a statement that the building will bring certain users for sure.

[1:09:11] But it's the plaza and what we've contemplated that will bring back families time and time again.

[1:09:15] And I think that is important now for our downtown.

[1:09:19] Thank you.

[1:09:21] Councillor Devin.

[1:09:24] Is the current, do you happen to know the current square footage of the library right now?

[1:09:31] I had no.

[1:09:32] It's, I'm 10,000 square feet probably.

[1:09:36] What is the new proposed square footage of the library?

[1:09:39] It's a 24,000 square foot building is probably around 12,000.

[1:09:43] So it's similar in size than what they have.

[1:09:46] Might be,

[1:09:49] yeah, it's about the same, but

[1:09:51] I'm not exactly sure what the square footage on the other building is.

[1:09:55] So it's not likely to have sort of additional little,

[1:10:00] I don't believe they have significantly more space than

[1:10:03] Yeah,

[1:10:06] all right, are we ready to move on to our next item on our agenda, which is I think many of the people in the audience are here.

[1:10:12] Thank you for your patience this evening, holding a public hearing on Proposition 1 for the November 3rd, 2026 general election.

[1:10:21] Kitsap County Public Utility District is number one is authorizing a construction acquisition of electrical facility.

[1:10:30] And so I'm going to open this puck hearing and I'm going to propose I've got a sign-up sheet and I'll call the folks on here, but we've got Angela Bennett, the executive director from the Kitsett Public Facilities District here, and I thought I would give her a little more time, and then I also am going to offer some additional time to Christine Nahn from Puget Sound Energy to follow, so Angela, please speak.

[1:10:57] Great. Thank you. I just want to say thank you to Mayor Prutansu and the council for providing the opportunity for this discussion and inviting me to be here today.

[1:11:08] My name is Angela Bennett and I am the general manager of Kitsap Public Utility District and I am here in my official capacity upon your request to provide factual information about Kitsap proposition number one and to answer your questions.

[1:11:25] I want you to understand there are likely going to be a lot of questions that we can't

[1:11:31] provide an answer to right now because it would be speculation.

[1:11:35] I'm not here to advocate for or against Prop 1.

[1:11:39] My goal is simply to make sure the council and the public have accurate information as you

[1:11:45] have your discussion.

[1:11:47] Much like the City of Port-Archard, kids at PUD is a local government governed by elected

[1:11:52] officials.

[1:11:53] They are Commissioner Debra Lester representing District 1, Commissioner Stacey Smith representing District 2, which includes this area, and Commissioner Heather Polly representing District 3.

[1:12:06] Commissioner Smith sends her regrets.

[1:12:09] She wanted to attend today, but had a prior travel obligation.

[1:12:15] Kits up PUD currently provides water, waste water, broadband utility services.

[1:12:21] We operate 52 water systems, two wastewater treatment plants, and serve more than 3,000 residential and business customers with telecommunication infrastructure throughout Kitsap County.

[1:12:35] Okay, so why prong on the ballot?

[1:12:38] This should begin with members of the community who approach Kitsap PUD with questions and concerns about their electric bills, future costs.

[1:12:48] and whether a local public utility district could have a role in addressing those concerns.

[1:12:56] One of our, one of KPUD's core values is community responsibility.

[1:13:01] And our mission is to strengthen kids' app communities, their responsive and

[1:13:06] sustainable utility services.

[1:13:09] Part of that responsibility is listening when community members

[1:13:13] rate significant utility issues and providing an appropriate public process to explore them.

[1:13:21] In response to that community interest, the Board of Public Listenation considered the

[1:13:26] comments received and reviewed the process available under state law.

[1:13:32] State law requires that a PUD-like kitsap to go to a vote of the public to obtain electric

[1:13:39] Authority.

[1:13:41] Authority is not necessary to investigate providing electric utility services, but would be required to acquire or construct electric facilities.

[1:13:52] So why authority before feasibility study?

[1:13:56] Comprehensive feasibility study is estimated to cost between $305,000.

[1:14:01] The board considered whether it should spend those funds before asking voters whether they wanted to have KPUD to grant KPUD electric authority.

[1:14:14] In considering, in that consideration, there was a high level view of costs and a consideration of Washington's history with similar ballot measures that normally fail.

[1:14:26] Based on the anticipated costs of a comprehensive study and the history of similar measures,

[1:14:33] the poor determined that it would be most prudent to first ask voters, whether they wanted kids up to-

[1:15:00] QD to have underlying authority. If the voters do not grant that authority, the district would not incur the cost of the comprehensive feasibility study contemplated by the board. If the voters grant the authority, the next step would be investigation, not acquisition or construction. To be clear, Proposition 1 asks voters whether KQD should have that authority. It does not determine

[1:15:29] determine whether KPUD will provide electric service.

[1:15:35] If voters approve Prop 1, the next step would be a comprehensive feasibility study.

[1:15:40] That study would examine the financial, operational, technical, and other considerations necessary

[1:15:47] to understand whether providing electric service could be viable and beneficial to the community.

[1:15:54] Any decision to move forward would occur later.

[1:15:57] through a separate public process and action by the board.

[1:16:03] This process reflects KQD's role as a community-owned public utility.

[1:16:09] Listen to the community, provide factual information, create an opportunity for

[1:16:15] public participation, and allow the appropriate decision to be made at each step in the process.

[1:16:21] us. So why is the vote happening now? As I mentioned earlier, state law requires voter

[1:16:28] approval before QD may construct or require facilities for generation transmission or

[1:16:34] distribution of electric power. State law also specifies that this question may only

[1:16:41] be submitted to voters at a general election held in an even year. That gave a board a choice

[1:16:49] between placing the question before voters in 2026,

[1:16:53] waiting until at least 2028, or not placing the measure at all.

[1:16:59] As you are aware, based on community interest,

[1:17:03] and the proposed rate increases, the KPUD Board of Commissioners

[1:17:07] voted to place Proposition 1, author of 2020 Spallet.

[1:17:12] I want the council to know that the Board is committed to a feasibility study,

[1:17:17] Immediately after approving the resolution, placing Prop 1 on the ballot, the kids at PUD board passed a separate motion committing the district to conduct a feasibility study before taking action to exercise that authority.

[1:17:33] That distinction is important. The ballot measure grants authority, the feasibility study would provide the information needed to determine whether exercising that authority makes sense.

[1:17:45] The Board has not made that second determination.

[1:17:50] A comprehensive fee of the ability study would need to answer substantially more questions than we can answer today.

[1:17:58] And ultimately the study would need to address the central question.

[1:18:03] Would kids at PUD construction, would kids at PUD constructing or

[1:18:09] for electric facilities and perving electric service be financially and operationally feasible and in the best interest of the community.

[1:18:19] We cannot responsibly answer that question today because the detailed analysis has not yet been performed.

[1:18:26] However, we can give an idea of what the process may look like.

[1:18:30] If problem passes and the feasibility study is completed, the results would be presented publicly to the

[1:18:38] FPUD Board of Commissioners, the Board has committed to an open and transparent process,

[1:18:43] and there is no pre-determined outcome of that process.

[1:18:47] The public will have access to the information that the Board has as the process moves forward.

[1:18:54] Would proposition one change politics is?

[1:18:58] No.

[1:18:59] Proposition one does not authorize an increase in property taxes and is not a levy lived lift.

[1:19:06] A bond levy or a levy lid lift would require another vote of the public.

[1:19:12] Would Proposition 1 change electric rates?

[1:19:15] No.

[1:19:16] KPUD does not provide electric rates, or does not set electric rates and does not currently provide electric service, so electric rates would stay the same.

[1:19:25] I recognize that there are strong opinions both for and against this issue.

[1:19:31] So, and as the council considers this issue tonight, I would clarify what is being asked.

[1:19:38] The decision before voters on November 3rd is should kids at PUD have the legal authority

[1:19:44] to construct or acquire electric facilities.

[1:19:48] The decision is not should KPUD conduct a feasibility study, nor is it should KPUD purchase the existing

[1:19:56] electric system utility and begin providing electric service.

[1:20:00] If voters approve Prop 1, KPUD received a legal authority to construct or acquire direct facilities.

[1:20:07] The board has it to conducting a comprehensive feasibility study before deciding whether to exercise authority.

[1:20:15] If voters reject Prop 1, KPUD would not receive that authority through this election.

[1:20:21] Either way, the voters of Kitsap County make the first decision.

[1:20:26] And with that, I'm here to answer any questions you may have.

[1:20:30] I'm going to hold questions for now and let everybody that signed up to speak speak and we'll come back to questions after all the testimony.

[1:20:39] And I think it's in the office in the audience from Puget Sound Energy.

[1:20:44] And can you be Christine a little bit of extended time to and then we're going to hold the other testimony to three minutes from everyone else.

[1:20:52] Good

[1:20:57] evening, Mayor and members of the City Council.

[1:20:59] My name is Christine Nahn, and I am the local government affairs manager at Puget Sound Energy.

[1:21:04] I'm just sharing a little bit about Puget Sound Energy, we're over 150 years old.

[1:21:10] We have 1.2 million customers, electric and gas is what we serve in our utility.

[1:21:16] And we have 10 county, we serve across Western Washington.

[1:21:20] I'm here tonight to offer our percent on K-PUD-1, which, if passed, would hand control of the entire county's electric service, including transmission lines,

[1:21:29] substations, maintenance, and operation facilities to a small government agency with no plan, no accountability, and no experience delivering electricity.

[1:21:39] This is not a vote authorizing the PUD to conduct a study to estimate cost to taxpayers.

[1:21:44] That could have been done without a vote.

[1:21:46] But for PSC, the primary driver of recent rate increases in the growing and the growing costs of providing energy to customers is meeting Washington State's Clean Energy Requirements.

[1:21:59] Since the Clean Energy Transformation Act, which is CEDA, was passed in 2019, PSC's power supply costs have more than tripled, going from about 750 million per year to more than 2 billion per year.

[1:22:12] In addition to those rising power costs, we estimate that complying with CEDA added approximately

[1:22:19] 820 million in costs between 2022 and 2025.

[1:22:25] That figure does not include additional investments needed to maintain reliability as coal was removed

[1:22:31] from our portfolio and in compliance with CEDA.

[1:22:36] Also public utilities can access low cost hydropower from the federal government.

[1:22:41] And they have not had to invest nearly the same amount of money into new renewable

[1:22:46] CEDA compliant resources as PSC has done.

[1:22:49] However, the days of cheap federal hydropower are gone, and KPUD will not be able to

[1:22:54] access that like other PUDs have in the past.

[1:22:58] According to the General Manager of KPUD, their estimated cost of taking over PSC's existing

[1:23:03] electrical infrastructure is about, is between 800 million and 1.2 billion.

[1:23:09] This information was disclosed in an internal email.

[1:23:12] The actual value of our assets is going to be much higher.

[1:23:16] We are currently working with concentric advisors on an independent valuation study of our system in Kitsop County and that information will be public very soon.

[1:23:25] There is no doubt that this debt will fall on taxpayers through higher rates, service fees, property taxes, or some combination of all three.

[1:23:33] To pay for this, QUD would need to raise property taxes by at least 20 times what they are today.

[1:23:40] Again, this is to purchase infrastructure that customers are already served by today.

[1:23:46] In 2008, Jefferson County voters were told the cost of taking over the electric service from PSC would cost about 47 million.

[1:23:55] Ultimately, the cost was more than double that over 100 million.

[1:23:58] Voters had no ability to weigh in again as a second vote was not required.

[1:24:03] The same is true here in Kitsap County, there is a vote required to preserve it.

[1:24:08] We believe that important voters have full information before making an important decision such as this.

[1:24:13] As I mentioned earlier, we look forward to bringing data forward to show what the true cost to customers would be.

[1:24:19] Operating an electric utility today is highly complex.

[1:24:23] It requires specialized technical expertise around the clock operations and

[1:24:27] in a relentless focus on safety for the public and our employees.

[1:24:32] As PSC customers,

[1:24:34] port or to residents get access to energy saving programs,

[1:24:37] EV and solar options, and bill assistance programs.

[1:24:40] PSC is also making major investments in wildfire mitigation to keep community safe.

[1:24:46] We are proud to serve more than 130 customers,

[1:24:49] hundreds in customers in Kitsab County, and many of my PSC call kits up their home.

[1:24:54] Our mission remains unchanged and we will continue to provide safe and reliable energy services under all conditions.

[1:25:01] Thank you so much for the opportunity.

[1:25:03] Thank you, Christine.

[1:25:04] All right, I'm going to call on the people that have signed the list first, and then we will open it up to anyone else that wishes to speak.

[1:25:12] And please keep your comments to no more than three minutes if you may.

[1:25:17] And, Brandy, want to start the timer?

[1:25:19] Ms. Wallace?

[1:25:20] Ms. Wallace?

[1:25:22] Ms. Wallace?

[1:25:24] Okay.

[1:25:25] And so I have Donna Branch Gilby.

[1:25:28] I has signed up to speak.

[1:25:31] And you have three minutes.

[1:25:33] Ms. Wallace?

[1:25:34] Two minutes.

[1:25:35] Three.

[1:25:36] Thank you.

[1:25:37] Mayor and council, thank you for this opportunity.

[1:25:41] My name is Donna Branch Gilby.

[1:25:43] I live at 15871 Glenwood Road, Southwest.

[1:25:47] My family's farm.

[1:25:48] We've owned this property since 1952.

[1:25:52] I am speaking here today because I've noticed my electric bill has been going up.

[1:25:59] And yet my friends in Masony and Piersky were complaint about their bill.

[1:26:05] They never complain about the power being out during the winter months, whereas my husband and

[1:26:11] I experienced that every winter for several days.

[1:26:15] I wonder how this could be since we're being served by a big utility, a big corporation.

[1:26:23] How could our service not be as great as what they get?

[1:26:27] And of course, it's because they're served by a public utility district.

[1:26:33] Now, the advantage of a PUD, there are several, I think, is one, they don't have to worry about stockholders.

[1:26:40] They have to let the voters, because commissioners are elected by the voters of Kitsip County.

[1:26:48] Whereas those who control decision-making in PSE are not even in the state of Washington.

[1:26:55] PSE was purchased in 2007 by an international consortium.

[1:27:00] So our money does not stay in the state.

[1:27:03] When I pay my bill, that money goes out of the country.

[1:27:06] I would like it to stay in Kitsip County.

[1:27:09] where it can be circulated and we can all benefit from it.

[1:27:19] So, yet the question is, is this really financially feasible?

[1:27:24] And that's why I'm asking you to show your support, to go on record, and say, let's look at the question.

[1:27:34] You know, if the voters don't like the decision that the commissioners make, we can vote them out.

[1:27:40] Thank you for your time, appreciate it.

[1:27:43] Excuse me, what say you lived on?

[1:27:45] On my road.

[1:27:46] Glenwood.

[1:27:47] Thank you.

[1:27:47] I've got the list here.

[1:27:49] Mr. Mayor, please order.

[1:27:51] Perhaps it would be worth how to explain our role in that we can't offer up the support

[1:27:55] of the future speakers.

[1:27:56] I think we addressed it earlier in the meeting, but the City Council, this is really just a listening

[1:28:00] session and questions.

[1:28:02] The City Council, the City Council cannot take a position on this matter, at least as a

[1:28:08] body.

[1:28:09] All right, I have Lorna for our own, the sign-ups for our own, okay.

[1:28:21] My name is Laura for our, I am a Port Orchard resident and PSE rate pair.

[1:28:29] I'm in favor of the KPUD Proposition 1.

[1:28:33] To be clear, this proposition is simply to initiate the process and call for a feasibility study to be formed.

[1:28:41] That's it for now.

[1:28:42] We are at the, let's get the data phase, big corporate money wants to keep their golden

[1:28:52] goose by squashing these efforts at the outset.

[1:28:57] Even before customers are given the chance to look into our public own option.

[1:29:03] 23 of the 26 state PUDs provide electricity in Washington State.

[1:29:11] Should have the opportunity to explore the option, obviously PSE customers are very concerned

[1:29:18] about rate increases that are not slowing down anytime soon.

[1:29:23] PSE reports huge executive bonuses and generous international stakeholder dividends that are generated

[1:29:33] related from rape peers like us paying biorelectricity bills.

[1:29:37] Why not require the profits stay within our community and

[1:30:00] And be reinvested in the infrastructure as we grow. And make sure the infrastructure continues to become greener. A change in ownership from PSE to KPUD appears to have so many benefits for local power consumers. It will be hard not to consider moving away from the privately held corporation PSE. The Bonneville Power Administration BPA rule prioritizes

[1:30:29] public utility districts and the rate per kilowatt is much lower than it changes that charges a private utility such as PSE.

[1:30:43] BPA also offers green energy while PSE uses other resources such as natural gas generators.

[1:30:53] Consumers want to move to alternative green energy and away from possible fields.

[1:30:59] Another argument for KESAP PUD is that KPUD would act on behalf of his constituents because we elect the KPUD commissioners.

[1:31:12] We will have a seat at the table, I believe this is a win for rates, a win for the environment, a win for control.

[1:31:20] The feasibility study is a must, and I look forward to learning more about this possibility.

[1:31:27] Vote yes for KPUD Proposition 1.

[1:31:32] Thank you.

[1:31:33] Thank you for your testimony.

[1:31:35] All right.

[1:31:36] We have Chris Beats, this next on list, if you could just identify yourself and for the record.

[1:31:46] Thank you.

[1:31:53] I'm going to try to address as many things as I can in the short time that I've got.

[1:32:09] I do want to do appreciate Eric responded to my wife actually in an email earlier today

[1:32:15] So hopefully I can address that part two.

[1:32:19] First off, I want to talk about some of the PSE representative brought up.

[1:32:24] Actually, I want to talk about the members she didn't bring up.

[1:32:27] So PSE right now has reported revenue of about $4.86 billion for 1.2 million customers.

[1:32:36] Out of that, it's estimated that their profit margins are only around 6% to 7%, that still

[1:32:42] it equates to about $400 million a year, give or take.

[1:32:48] In 2025, they paid out $62.9 million in dividends to their shareholders, which these

[1:32:56] are private shareholders, it's not a publicly held company, there's no stock ticket.

[1:33:01] In 2024, they paid out $175.9 million in dividends to their shareholders.

[1:33:08] So, if I take Kitsap County's portion of that, it's around 10%, 130,000 customers.

[1:33:16] That means that we would roughly, you know, gave them about $30 million, just in shareholder

[1:33:25] dividends, not total revenue.

[1:33:28] That's just dividends.

[1:33:30] I don't know much you guys, but I think we in Kitsap County could probably do a lot more

[1:33:36] with that $30 million then watch it go out the door.

[1:33:41] They have continually pushed for rate increases.

[1:33:45] They got a rate increase for 2025 and 2026

[1:33:49] of around $600 million.

[1:33:51] They went next year and asked who increased their rate increases

[1:33:56] by almost $300 million.

[1:34:01] PSE has to meet regulations for green and all these other kinds

[1:34:05] of things, and so does every other public utility district in the state. None of the

[1:34:13] rates have gone up as much. In fact, the shareholder dividends that they've paid out

[1:34:18] in the last year is more than every other PUD who provides electricity in the state. All

[1:34:26] of their revenue combined isn't even as much as that shareholder dividend. We still have

[1:34:32] We have the highest outages rates of any place in the state.

[1:34:38] We have the highest electric rates and we have the lowest service rate.

[1:34:45] All the other things about the vote for this is at least we would have a voice.

[1:34:52] We would be able to go to an independent governing body, not part of the county, not part of anybody else.

[1:34:58] We could recall those people that we elect.

[1:35:01] We have a say right now the utility district doesn't allow us to have it in Eastay

[1:35:08] Thank you

[1:35:09] Request it. Thank you. Hey, and I've got Mike Johnson is the last person to sign up

[1:35:24] Good evening mayor and city council. My name is Mike Johnson. I live in an unincorporated portalshared off of horizon lane

[1:35:33] I

[1:35:34] I am an electrical engineer.

[1:35:37] I used to work for a Puget Sound Energy

[1:35:39] out of their Brimmerton office.

[1:35:41] Now I'm an engineering manager at a local public utility.

[1:35:45] And I just wanted to kind of share some of the differences

[1:35:46] between public and private utilities,

[1:35:49] just kind of for the benefit of you and the voters present.

[1:35:53] Probably the biggest benefit that most people will notice

[1:35:57] between the public and private utilities,

[1:35:59] at least locally, is the rates.

[1:36:01] It's the rates for the public utilities are a lot lower.

[1:36:05] And the reason for that isn't a coincidence and it's not a sinister conspiracy, either.

[1:36:12] But it's simply a function of the way the laws work in the state and the federal level.

[1:36:17] Most of the dams on the Columbia River are owned by the federal government.

[1:36:22] And the power from those dams is sold by the Bonneville Power Administration.

[1:36:25] That power is sold as prioritized for public utilities over privates.

[1:36:33] So public utility purchase a same-pout PSC at a significant discount.

[1:36:38] On top of that, as the PSC representative was saying just a few minutes ago,

[1:36:42] the renewable energy mandates in the state of Washington are a significant burden.

[1:36:47] Again, PSE is obligated to generate 80% of their power from renewable resources by 2030.

[1:36:56] And that's without being able to rely on the BPA power generated by the federal dams.

[1:37:03] So as a result, pretty much every public utility in the area, there are about $500 a year,

[1:37:11] to a thousand dollars a year cheaper than a PSE customer for the same power.

[1:37:19] So that's Mason County, Jefferson County, the city of Seattle and Big Harbor.

[1:37:25] All the people right next door, every family, saving quite a bit of money compared to us.

[1:37:32] That gap is not sustainable.

[1:37:35] For people to spend almost a thousand bucks a year extra on their power bills, that's

[1:37:40] massive dead weight dragging down the standard of living in our county and this gap is only

[1:37:45] going to grow over time as additional renewable energy targets kick in and PSC will have to

[1:37:51] continue to raise rates to meet those. Now these laws may not be fair but instead of

[1:37:57] complaining about them, kids at county voters have an opportunity to adapt to this new environment

[1:38:04] in the state of Washington, and to pass Prop 1 to form a public utility for their electric service.

[1:38:12] Thank you.

[1:38:13] Thank you.

[1:38:16] Anyone else wishing to address a test by on this matter, please step to the microphone.

[1:38:28] Thank you, Mayor.

[1:38:30] I guess I'll be out on the island tonight on this topic.

[1:38:35] Nobody's happy about watching their power bill go up, especially me and their frustrations,

[1:38:39] super fair.

[1:38:40] But what a lot of what's driving those increases is on who owns the wire.

[1:38:44] Regional power cost of projected rise up to 47% above inflation in the next few years,

[1:38:49] no matter who's serving gets out.

[1:38:51] Here's what the measure actually does though, the campaign supporting it in what you're

[1:38:56] going to see in your ballot measures says a yes votes lets KUPUD conduct a feasibility study.

[1:39:01] That's not really accurate.

[1:39:03] The resolution grants PUD three commissioners permanent authority to buy or build an entire

[1:39:07] electric system.

[1:39:08] No study is actually required, none required at all, and no second vote before the act.

[1:39:14] Whatever they decide, voters don't get to vote again.

[1:39:18] I thought a public record request asking what KPUD actually knows.

[1:39:22] These ability studies, rate analyses, cost estimates, risk assessments, nearly every category came

[1:39:27] back the same, no records identified.

[1:39:30] They don't have this information, and they're asking us to trust them anyway, and that is an issue

[1:39:35] for me.

[1:39:35] But we do know they have a number because in an email that they haven't given to the public,

[1:39:40] KPD's only general manager wrote in June that purchasing PSC system would cost between

[1:39:45] $800 million and $1.2 billion in amount that would require a special property tax levy

[1:39:51] roughly 20 times today's rate.

[1:39:53] Now, that would take another vote for what someone said earlier, but maybe necessary.

[1:39:58] That number was known seven weeks before the public hearing and wasn't shared with those

[1:40:02] people that they're hearing, and that's problematic for me.

[1:40:05] Compare that to Wacom, a member of Giant, who spent under $100,000 studying this question

[1:40:11] before asking their voters.

[1:40:13] Wacom found $492 million costs with a projected $80 million loss over four years.

[1:40:20] Bayward Child cost up to $146 million, both said no, based on those real numbers.

[1:40:26] Before Washington communities had voted on this issue since 2008, only Jefferson County

[1:40:31] We said yes and its voters were told 47 million for that project and they ended up paying

[1:40:36] over 100 million once the authority was locked in and that's problematic.

[1:40:41] To be clear, I'm not here to defend PSE, their rate increases are real and it's fair to

[1:40:46] ask questions about how they spend rate-payer money as well.

[1:40:50] So don't just think I'm here to support PSE, I'm against how this ballot is coming to the

[1:40:55] the public. They want to ask us for a feasibility study, then ask us for a feasibility study,

[1:41:01] not the ability to buy and construct these services. That is the cart ahead of the horse for

[1:41:07] me.

[1:41:11] I'm almost done here. To be clear, again,

[1:41:14] it's not about me, but their rates also go through PSC's death to a state review. They don't

[1:41:19] just get to apply these rates. KPUD would not. So it's on three commissioners would set them

[1:41:24] directly, with really not much of an outside check in the voter, but we don't get to vote

[1:41:28] on these things. We're not saying public power, me, I'm not saying public power is wrong

[1:41:33] for Kitsap, but what I'm saying is the voters haven't been given the numbers to know. Vote

[1:41:38] no on this measure until pay Kitsap of the utility district to come back with real answers before

[1:41:44] asking for that authority first. That is a much better way to treat and respect the public.

[1:41:49] Thank you.

[1:41:50] Thank you for your testimony, so anyone online or anybody else, some guy have some online

[1:41:56] with their hand raised and Clark is going to bring you in.

[1:42:03] Hi, it's Bonnie again.

[1:42:05] I just want to like, go ahead and say that kind of along the lines of what Robert just said,

[1:42:13] it's not, it's not even a question of whether or not we can be four organs, KPUD.

[1:42:19] It's that we need to have those studies to know what we're signing up for.

[1:42:26] If you go ahead and say, oh yes, yes, on this opposition, then when those studies come

[1:42:32] back, if it increases the property taxes 20%, you've got three commissioners deciding

[1:42:41] it.

[1:42:41] The voters no longer get a choice.

[1:42:44] I don't think it's unreasonable to say, hey, take this off the ballot.

[1:42:48] hold off on this and do these studies that you can afford that you can do without a ballot measure,

[1:42:56] then come back with all that information and sell it to the voters. You know,

[1:43:03] not doing that and just saying, hey, give us all the power and give the three commissioners power

[1:43:09] is really just putting a smoke screen up. People think, okay, I'm voting for KPUD to go ahead and

[1:43:17] take over. You're not. That's not what this vote's about. This vote is about, hey, let's

[1:43:23] give us the power, then we're going to go do all the studies and back up all the,

[1:43:28] and then take it to missioners. And if it costs an astronomical amount, you know,

[1:43:34] ensure you can replace the commissioners, but it doesn't replace that vote. And so, if anybody

[1:43:40] listens to the public comments, please realize that they can do the feasibility study without

[1:43:47] out the vote. They can do the data collecting without a vote and I think that that's the way

[1:43:54] it should go. KPUD might be the way to go after all that's done, but we just don't know

[1:44:00] and the way the measure is worded, it's just, it's not good. You shouldn't be asking the

[1:44:08] voters to hand over all the power without all the information. That's my only comment.

[1:44:14] Thank you for your testimony.

[1:44:17] Anyone else online wish to testify on this matter?

[1:44:21] Use the raise your hand feature or anybody in the room.

[1:44:26] Get one bite at the apple.

[1:44:30] All right. I'm not seeing anybody else.

[1:44:34] Council, do you have questions on this matter?

[1:44:39] Council member Mitchell, go ahead.

[1:44:41] And are they if any in particular, buddy in particular?

[1:44:44] I actually would love to talk to the general manager for K-Puts.

[1:45:00] First, just because I think, so let me begin by saying that I find this concept fascinating for many of the reasons that people have brought up tonight. I cannot say where I am for obvious reasons, but I do find it a fascinating concept. One thing that has been brought up by several individuals tonight, and this is my big thing. So, we've touched on the fact that the wording

[1:45:29] of what measure the proposition is such, because there's an RCW statute that requires

[1:45:36] it to say that.

[1:45:37] I went and looked at the statute, and it is incredibly prescriptive.

[1:45:42] But I do think that it is a fair question to ask, while I appreciate kind of like the

[1:45:50] rationale of wanting to ask voters here, are you willing to spend up to $500,000 on the

[1:45:55] feasibility study?

[1:45:56] I appreciate that, but I guess I'm not understanding if there was a legal reason that it could not

[1:46:05] have been put on the ballot, do we authorize a feasibility study?

[1:46:10] Why do we have to ask now for the authority for K-PED to potentially do all of this?

[1:46:17] Was there a legal reason why it could not have been a question first of would you authorize

[1:46:24] a feasibility study.

[1:46:27] The PUD could have done some kind of polling of the residents or something like that.

[1:46:35] We could have put some kind of measure on there, go forward, go and don't go forward.

[1:46:41] Like I said in my statement, the 75% of these fail, right?

[1:46:49] You heard from the gentleman who didn't identify himself, so I'm not sure his name,

[1:46:54] that these have failed. They failed and welcome. They failed, you know, they failed. So, the board said they want to know,

[1:47:04] should, does the public want them to go forward?

[1:47:06] And that part I understand, and again, like I said, I appreciate being asked, hey, can we spend $500,000 for this?

[1:47:15] I appreciate that. I guess where the issue is is that for some individuals it may feel like a

[1:47:24] bait and switch sort of think like that's how it comes across. Even if that was not the intention,

[1:47:30] it comes across that way. And that's what I'm concerned about.

[1:47:33] Unfortunately, and there was a comment made to this. Unfortunately, the kitsapili, much like the

[1:47:42] Council, we are not allowed to engage in any of the statements pro or against.

[1:47:48] And so there was a statement about the pro stating it's for a feasibility study.

[1:47:55] We were not able to review that.

[1:47:57] We were not able to say it's good or bad.

[1:48:00] Much like the con statement, we couldn't clarify the corrections in there, either.

[1:48:07] So, you know, it's unfortunate we really have our hands tied in what we're able to do as a public, as a public, in any ballot measure.

[1:48:20] Can I ask one last question, too? It just comes up just because I, oh.

[1:48:24] Just for the record, too. I assume everybody in the room knew Mr. McGee.

[1:48:28] Robert McGee, he lives in the hardware area of South Gizeps.

[1:48:32] Oh, thank you.

[1:48:33] And my apologies for not making him identify himself.

[1:48:35] And so my other question, I actually have a couple, but I want to make sure that my colleagues

[1:48:41] have the opportunity to also ask their questions.

[1:48:46] So one of the big things that I really want to understand is, so the internal email that

[1:48:53] PSD sites, all of that, and then Jefferson County, maybe this is a combined question.

[1:48:59] So that email that you were quoted from provides a range essentially and so my question is

[1:49:09] The argument that PSC's materials brings out is like voters were told X and then it ended up being double

[1:49:16] Well was very range provided and

[1:49:21] The amount that was doubled actually went middle ground and then secondarily did Jefferson County voters and

[1:49:29] end up having a levy, and how much was that so that we might be able to get an idea of what would happen here?

[1:49:37] Okay, so that's a lot of questions.

[1:49:39] I'm sorry, I know.

[1:49:41] No, so let's first of all start how I got to that number.

[1:49:46] There was not a feasibility study, there was not a record that was held back from the public records requests that we've received.

[1:49:54] It was me looking at the cost of Jefferson's acquisition of the PSE assets they had agreed

[1:50:02] to a value of $109 million for about 10 times their size now.

[1:50:09] So what's 10 times 109?

[1:50:11] Okay.

[1:50:11] That's 1.09 at a little bit for inflation in there.

[1:50:16] That's where I got the number from, okay.

[1:50:19] It was a swag.

[1:50:20] That swag was to determine, is there a roadblock? Should I tell my commission, hey, this is a roadblock, we can't go past this.

[1:50:32] And that is why I reached out to bond council in that email to state, are we able to bond for this?

[1:50:40] And really ask those questions. And I think that email is provided in links as well.

[1:50:46] And so that's our bond council, asking them, now I will say it turns out, yes, 109 million was what Jefferson PUD and PSE had agreed to.

[1:50:59] But then the Washington Utility Transportation Commission found that PSE overcharged by $52.3 million and was forced to reimburse that.

[1:51:10] And that is not something that's provided a lot.

[1:51:13] and they were forced to reimburse that to their current rate payers.

[1:51:18] So unfortunately Jefferson County was no longer current rate payers and they did not get that reimbursement.

[1:51:24] So the secondary question of like what was their levy, what did they have to pay?

[1:51:30] They did not have a levy, they did not have a levy, they paid for this through rates and

[1:51:35] through USDA loans, they have now paid off those loans.

[1:51:38] And did the rates increase?

[1:51:41] The rates were, you know what?

[1:51:43] I don't know what they were.

[1:51:45] Immediately after in 2013, when Jefferson took over,

[1:51:49] that I do know at this point,

[1:51:53] depending on what you, how you operate,

[1:51:56] how much power you use, they can be lower.

[1:51:59] They have a higher base rate than PSE,

[1:52:02] but the cost per usage is lower.

[1:52:04] So it's hard to say, if you were doing that metering,

[1:52:07] you might be higher.

[1:52:09] I'm going to move on to the council.

[1:52:11] That's fine.

[1:52:11] Council Member Morrissey?

[1:52:13] Yes, Ms. Benick.

[1:52:14] Thank you for coming out tonight.

[1:52:16] What's the largest PUD in our state?

[1:52:18] The largest PUD is Clark PUD.

[1:52:20] How many?

[1:52:21] They are.

[1:52:24] How many electrical customers do they have?

[1:52:27] You know, I don't know their electric customers,

[1:52:28] but I do know their peak usage is 1,000 average megawatt hours.

[1:52:34] And we're about 623 average megawatt hours here.

[1:52:39] In our peak.

[1:52:41] Okay.

[1:52:42] And by and large, there are how many, how many PUDs are there in the state?

[1:52:47] So there are 28 PUDs total in the state, 24 of them provide electric service.

[1:52:52] Of those 24, how many of them are in an urban area versus rural?

[1:52:57] You have Vancouver, so that's Clark PUD.

[1:53:00] You have Snow-Homish PUD, Snow-Pud.

[1:53:04] I would say cascaget PUD as well, but they're not providing electric.

[1:53:08] So, of those large ones, right, let's look at Vancouver, how long have they been in existence?

[1:53:14] That's a great question, I do not have that number.

[1:53:17] I think that's how we get there, right, is I've done my research in some of it that I've learned.

[1:53:23] PUDs thrive in a smaller environment as they grow, as opposed to being great, when there are already this size, right?

[1:53:30] So, when I hear some of these comparisons, sometimes it's not even Apple staples,

[1:53:37] We're not even playing with in fruit anymore, we're trying to compare fruits to vegetables, and I don't know that that always works either.

[1:53:45] There's authorization that we're looking to gain in this vote in November.

[1:53:50] How long do you guys have to construct your electricity grid before that authorization expires?

[1:54:00] In 1969, the IOU's work put pleasure slager to change the law to allow that to be 10 years.

[1:54:07] And that's still is today, because, okay, good, that's good to hear, because it actually

[1:54:13] contradicts what I had found in that it doesn't ever expire.

[1:54:17] So, help me understand this.

[1:54:18] Now, in fact, we were started as an electric PUD, so if it didn't expire, we wouldn't even be here.

[1:54:23] Well, that's good enough, right, because I was working off some of that information.

[1:54:28] Now, get me back to how, in one of your core values, is community responsibility in about, I don't know, what 20% of the money that you're spending to put this on the ballot could have covered the feasibility study, how do we get to a poor authorizing's authorization, you're asking this authorization before doing any feasibility whatsoever?

[1:54:51] We have talked and done some high-level discussions, I wouldn't call them feasibility studies, we have not done a feasibility study, but for example, we've talked with BPA, and we've provided all those records through the public records requests, we have done what I did on valuation of the asset.

[1:55:16] We have done those kind of looks to determine can we finance this?

[1:55:22] What is, what would it look like?

[1:55:24] So we have done some due diligence.

[1:55:27] The feasibility study being three to 500,000, it's not 20% of that to put that on the ballot.

[1:55:34] Because we already have one ballot measure on there.

[1:55:37] You got the discount for doing more than one.

[1:55:38] Yep, okay.

[1:55:39] We get the discount for doing two.

[1:55:40] Yeah, so actually it's cheaper than even sending out a survey.

[1:55:45] It's cheaper than sending out even mailing something to all residents and kids at PUD.

[1:55:50] Kids at county.

[1:55:51] And why was the choice made for the authorization as opposed to an advisory vote?

[1:55:55] Because an advisory vote doesn't, it doesn't put the same obligations on the PUD.

[1:56:05] And it doesn't bring out everybody to really voice their concerns.

[1:56:13] And it doesn't really bring that.

[1:56:15] If you see where that conflicts, right?

[1:56:17] Where you say that we're not making that commitment to move forward.

[1:56:21] And we won't use it if we're not going to, but you have that ability to do that.

[1:56:25] We have the ability right now without a vote.

[1:56:30] I'm just asking a question, trying to find out why they went that way.

[1:56:33] Did you go versus it?

[1:56:34] You can put your hand down.

[1:56:37] If you were the expert, I'd be happy to.

[1:56:41] So,

[1:56:44] do you want to just start, like, the question again?

[1:56:47] Yeah, one on and on forever is why would you go for the authorization versus an advisory vote?

[1:56:54] Yeah, the authorization is what gets fails.

[1:56:58] It's not advisory votes that fail.

[1:57:00] So an advisory vote says, yes, go ahead, do a feasibility study, which is not needed to

[1:57:06] do a feasibility study, but let's say we chose to do that.

[1:57:09] But then the public came out and said, no, we don't support authority, then that is a waste of public funds.

[1:57:17] It's a waste of time, it's a waste of our energy, and it's a waste of public funds.

[1:57:21] And so that is why the commission met, they discussed this, and they said, we want to know if the public will grant authority prior to doing this feasibility study.

[1:57:31] I understand chicken or egg, right?

[1:57:35] One is saying do the feasibility study first, but then you have this huge investment of funds

[1:57:39] prior to finding out if you have authority and it could be wasted.

[1:57:43] The other is doing the authority first, and then the investment, which also may show that

[1:57:49] it's not in the best interest of kids at PUD than it would be wasted.

[1:57:53] So here we have this challenge to say what comes first, the chicken or the egg.

[1:57:58] I will tell you, I did not find any roadblocks leading up to this, and it could be a beneficial.

[1:58:04] That's for a dead end.

[1:58:06] Yes, I'd like to call for recess.

[1:58:08] It's 8.30.

[1:58:09] We don't have the authority to deliberate on this issue, and we've given City Council time

[1:58:15] a lot of time to this.

[1:58:17] I really appreciate it, because I love being able to hear what everybody had to say, but

[1:58:21] at this point, we still have business items, discussion item, report council committees, part

[1:58:25] of a mayor on our agenda, and I have babies to get home to.

[1:58:30] Other council members wish to weigh on in this issue, asking questions?

[1:58:36] I've just, I've got just one question for you.

[1:58:40] I'm all about local control, I lobby on that quite frequently down in Olympia, and I, my only concern

[1:58:51] here is if the feasibility says this doesn't make sense, and we should be doing this.

[1:58:57] Can the board rescind that authority, or can only the voters?

[1:59:02] Again, it expires.

[1:59:04] After 10 years?

[1:59:05] Yeah, it expires after 10 years.

[1:59:07] So, should a feasibility show that it's not in the history of the public?

[1:59:11] I know my commissioners, they would not move forward with that.

[1:59:17] Actually, I should say, I don't believe they would move forward with that, because I can't commit my commission to anything.

[1:59:24] But I would yeah, you could I don't know that anybody's ever recent 40 or assess that so that's a great question

[1:59:33] Okay, all right if there aren't any further questions or comments

[1:59:37] Thank everybody for being here tonight. Thank you. This is a great conversation and

[1:59:43] We're gonna move on to our business items

[2:00:02] I didn't know there was a motion. I would move to take a break until Council Member

[2:00:08] Deadman comes back.

[2:00:15] I made a motion. So is there a second, or do we move forward?

[2:00:22] Can I amend your motion? We take a friendly 835. We reconvene.

[2:00:26] four minutes.

[2:00:29] There's a motion to second to take a break until 835. All in favor, please say aye.

[2:00:37] Any opposed? Okay, we're in break for 3 more minutes.

[2:00:41] Any comments?

[2:00:41] Any questions?

[2:00:42] Oh.

[2:00:49] They do.

[2:00:50] Let me have a little.

[2:00:51] I'd like to thank you.

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[2:04:48] I know it.

[2:04:50] All right.

[2:04:51] We're back in session.

[2:04:52] We are to our business items.

[2:04:55] The first of which is approval of an item A, approval of a collective bargaining agreement

[2:04:59] with the police, professional support guild for, with the guild.

[2:05:08] There's a date on there that I don't think is relevant, so all right, Ms. Lendus is you.

[2:05:13] All right, thank you Mayor and good evening, Council.

[2:05:16] Before you tonight is a proposal, a tentative agreement with the newly formed police professional support group that was formed in of 2026.

[2:05:27] The city and the guild have been negotiating their initial contract since that date.

[2:05:33] This group had been previously represented by the teamster's local 589.

[2:05:39] The party's reached a tentative agreement on August 3rd, the agreement has since been

[2:05:43] ratified and signed by the guild and is now presented to you for consideration.

[2:05:49] The contract is not public until adopted by the council, therefore you have seen this

[2:05:54] under attorney client privilege and staff is asking you to authorize the mayor to sign the

[2:06:01] I agree with it and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

[2:06:05] Members, you're an area.

[2:06:07] Yeah, I move to authorize the mayor to sign the September 8, 2026 through December 31, 2028 collected bargaining amendment between the city for roger and the police professional support guild.

[2:06:20] Second.

[2:06:22] Motion by council, your second by council member Deener, council member, go ahead, give that a question.

[2:06:27] No, I didn't have a question at a statement, you know, basically, I appreciate Debbie, you're working in your team, working to get this agreement finalized.

[2:06:38] I know it's not probably what anybody, everybody thinks is perfect on either side.

[2:06:46] I do like the fact that it ends with the other two teamsters agreement, which makes that a little bit more palatable moving forward with negotiations.

[2:06:54] But I'm glad this is done, and thank you very much for getting it completed.

[2:07:00] The comments or questions?

[2:07:01] Councillor Perr dinner?

[2:07:02] I'd just like to reiterate that.

[2:07:04] Thank you for your support and getting us across the finish line.

[2:07:11] You'll be voting on the approval of a collective bargaining agreement with the police, professional support guild.

[2:07:17] All in favor, please say aye.

[2:07:19] Aye.

[2:07:20] Opposed?

[2:07:22] The agreement passes unanimously.

[2:07:24] Lastly, where our next business item, and it's a series of minutes here, we've got four of them.

[2:07:30] The first of which is the approval of the minutes of July 28th, City Council, regular meeting minutes.

[2:07:35] Is there a motion to approve?

[2:07:38] Mayor, move to approve the July 28th, 2026 minutes has presented.

[2:07:44] Second.

[2:07:46] I'm going to second, I second.

[2:07:48] We have a motion and a second.

[2:07:50] Are you planning on voting or abstaining from these minutes?

[2:07:57] No,

[2:08:00] this is July 28th.

[2:08:01] Never mind.

[2:08:01] I'll second that.

[2:08:02] Okay.

[2:08:03] So I had Councillor Verdiener.

[2:08:04] Did you make that motion?

[2:08:06] I was going to have loads of peppy.

[2:08:07] Council Member Warden made the second.

[2:08:10] Any discussion of the minutes?

[2:08:12] I believe I'm going to get an abstention.

[2:08:14] I was going to ask.

[2:08:15] I must abstain from this.

[2:08:17] Correct.

[2:08:17] So yes, I abstain.

[2:08:19] Confirming that.

[2:08:20] So all in favour?

[2:08:21] Please say aye.

[2:08:22] Aye.

[2:08:23] Any opposed?

[2:08:24] And one abstention.

[2:08:25] All right. I've got five yeas and one abstention. Let me go back. And now we have, Mr. Mayor, I move

[2:08:33] to approve the special meeting minutes from August 4th. Second.

[2:08:38] Councillor Mourci, a second by Councillor Membrose Pepe to approve the special meeting of August

[2:08:46] 4th. Is there any discussion or corrections in those minutes? All right. All in favour?

[2:08:52] Please add. I want to post and I believe one abstention again.

[2:08:58] All right.

[2:09:01] Yep.

[2:09:01] 11.

[2:09:02] It's coming up.

[2:09:04] Mr. Mayor.

[2:09:04] I move to approve the special meetings of August.

[2:09:07] Second.

[2:09:08] Motion by Councillor Romores.

[2:09:09] Second by Councillor Mevers.

[2:09:11] Turn it to approve the special meeting minutes of August 6.

[2:09:15] Two of us and we have two abstentions.

[2:09:17] And so we have any discussion?

[2:09:21] Okay, all in favor?

[2:09:22] Please say aye.

[2:09:23] Aye.

[2:09:24] Opposed?

[2:09:26] And two abstentions, I'm hearing.

[2:09:28] All right, now we're to the August 11th meeting minutes.

[2:09:32] Is there a motion to approve?

[2:09:34] Mayor, I move to approve of the minutes of August 11th, as presented.

[2:09:39] Second.

[2:09:40] Motion by Councillor Marose Pippie in that second was more significant.

[2:09:43] My third.

[2:09:44] Oh, I'm a different to it.

[2:09:46] Give it to her.

[2:09:46] Give it a second, I'm sorry, remember Mitchell, and who was absent here?

[2:09:52] You were absent, okay, all right, any discussion?

[2:09:56] All in favor of approving the August 11th meeting minutes, please say aye.

[2:10:01] Aye.

[2:10:03] Opposed and one abstention, all right, we've got to vote on some minutes, so you go.

[2:10:08] All right, we are to the item F now, which is a resolution of support for

[2:10:14] For the Community Events Center, I'm going to read the document for the record since it wasn't published.

[2:10:21] And this is the resolution of the City of Port Orchard, Washington, expressing support for funding plan for the Port Orchard Community Events Center project.

[2:10:31] Whereas the City of Port Orchard continues efforts on the Port Orchard Community Events Center in partnership with the Kitsap Public Facilities District to advance economic development and opportunities for community gatherings.

[2:10:43] in civic events, strengthen the downtown waterfront, and serve residents,

[2:10:48] serve residents, visitors, and the broader South Getsap region.

[2:10:53] This next whereas has a mistake, and I'll correct that, because the initial agreement was in 2019,

[2:11:00] and it was amended a couple of times and extended also.

[2:11:03] So whereas in 2019, the city and the CITSAT public facilities district executed in the Gretvo financing,

[2:11:11] the based then current project cost and funding assumptions and whereas since the execution

[2:11:17] of that agreement project cost estimates funding assumptions and related financing projections

[2:11:23] have evolved as the project has advanced to design and permitting and whereas the city council

[2:11:29] received a briefing on updated financial projections and funding as regular meaning of September 8,

[2:11:41] from the city council reflecting these updates and the proposed increase in contribution by the public facilities district.

[2:11:50] Now, therefore, the city council of the city of Port Orchard, Washington thereby resolves as follows.

[2:11:56] The city council fully supports the community's event center project and the financial and the financial plan presented on September 8, 2026.

[2:12:07] I move to approve resolution, doesn't have a number yet, whatever we're going to number this resolution in support of the funding and plan of our community event center.

[2:12:19] Second.

[2:12:20] Motion by Councillor Morsey and a second by Councillor Memberdini, Deener, any discussion of this resolution and the funding plan with the KBFD, Councillor Romeroza-Petti.

[2:12:30] Yes, as you pointed out mayor, the initial funding plan was 2019, and I would remind folks that we had what I affectionately call the three year blip of COVID that disrupted numerous businesses and projects which caused the project cost to increase significantly.

[2:12:59] I ask that we look at approving this not only because, you know, we've got the sign up there and imagine Port Orchard, but we are responsible for looking at Port Orchard in the future.

[2:13:13] Most of us, some of us won't be here when we imagine that far into the future, and this is one thing that will bring the community together.

[2:13:21] we continually hear about downtown, how it can be better.

[2:13:26] One of our council members, and I will not do this justice,

[2:13:32] that our waterfront is the best asset this set he has.

[2:13:36] And anything that we can do to move it forward is to our benefit and to our citizens benefit.

[2:13:44] So Scott, you can elaborate since that's your vision.

[2:13:46] So I really think we need to move forward unanimously as that.

[2:13:53] I know that we have a lot of ideas about where funds should go, and sometimes they conflict.

[2:14:02] This is something that I think benefits everybody in the long run from the library on the ground floor.

[2:14:07] Because God knows if you've been in that library, it's in serious need of a new facility.

[2:14:15] And we don't know how people will utilize this building.

[2:14:21] But there's the old saying in field of dreams, build it and they will come.

[2:14:25] And I truly believe this is something that's going to happen.

[2:14:28] I don't look at the bank leaving as a downfall.

[2:14:35] I look at that as an opportunity to redevelop downtown in the waterfront.

[2:14:40] And I fully support this ask of the, of the K, K, I keep missing that up.

[2:14:48] APFD.

[2:15:00] FD, thank you very much, John. Thank you. That's for dinner. Did you have a remark? Yeah, I just wanted to say, I think everybody, or I shouldn't say everybody, I think a lot of people support the vision that this project would help facilitate. But it also will be a catalyst for major change. I personally believe in downtown Port Orchard. I think you'll see the nature of the services change. I think it'll be transformative. So this is just the first major step in a future Port Orchard.

[2:15:30] That's for Morrison.

[2:15:31] I too will vote in favor of this resolution.

[2:15:33] I might ask the city attorney in the future to maybe add some more colorful language

[2:15:38] in there that might include thanking our partners at the KPFD for their investment in our

[2:15:45] projects and just things like that.

[2:15:46] I don't want to go change it now because we're here to approve it.

[2:15:49] So I don't want to do that but maybe just things for in the future.

[2:15:53] Absolutely.

[2:15:53] The city attorney's defense.

[2:15:56] It was probably last minute.

[2:15:57] I might have called her about one o'clock today, and I said, I need a favor to choose with another client.

[2:16:04] I think I know that about this, and that's why I'm just saying, just things to think about maybe even if he didn't prompt you for that.

[2:16:11] And really, I got this late yesterday, so it's in charge, in the attorney's defense, this was rushed work.

[2:16:21] So Council member deaden.

[2:16:22] So I have one question in the statement.

[2:16:26] Why do we have to decide on this resolution now being that we just got it?

[2:16:33] The, I am attempting to satisfy a series of questions that I worked on most of the day today from the Kitsett Public Facilities District.

[2:16:43] This, their funding is part of our budget process that's coming to you guys next week.

[2:16:50] And we need our agreement with them.

[2:16:54] I was led to, no, and I presented in late June.

[2:16:58] They meet every other month.

[2:17:04] And it's been indicated they're going to hold a special meeting to address this.

[2:17:08] But I did not want to wait to our next council meeting in two weeks to respond to the questions.

[2:17:15] And one of their questions was, or statements, there were questions and statements they wanted a resolution of support from this body.

[2:17:24] I've come and given numerous presentations, I go two or three times a year and

[2:17:29] get presentations to the public facilities board.

[2:17:34] And so anyway, that's the rationale.

[2:17:38] But we are meeting next week and I know that this body has made decisions, has deliberated in work studies.

[2:17:47] So we do have another week to have this language before us, before making a decision, deliberating.

[2:17:55] Also, I guess like a concern I have, especially with this kind of, you know, with signing up for

[2:18:02] This kind of language and understanding the amount of money that we continue to pour into the event center, is that

[2:18:12] one of the things that you mentioned today, for instance, you said this is like you mentioned it being a wedding venue.

[2:18:19] And I remember seeing community engagement survey that was done in terms of uses for the event center.

[2:18:28] And it stated that the least amount of support was for a wedding venue.

[2:18:35] And so as we move forward, and we're thinking about the actual point of a community center that we are hamstring community to our infinity.

[2:18:48] I just want to know that it's actually valuable before I'm signing on to important resolutions like this.

[2:18:57] Thank you.

[2:18:57] The public facilities district with this request is funding 66% of the project.

[2:19:04] Other questions or comments?

[2:19:07] You'll be voting on a resolution of support for the community event center.

[2:19:12] All in favor?

[2:19:13] Please say aye.

[2:19:14] Aye.

[2:19:15] Is there anyone opposed?

[2:19:16] I'm opposed because I want more time.

[2:19:18] All right.

[2:19:18] That passes 6 to 1.

[2:19:20] All right.

[2:19:20] All right, we have one discussion item, the clerk's office.

[2:19:26] We have bricks and tiles around City Hall, and it's gotten to a point.

[2:19:30] We don't urge very much to one of those brick cells.

[2:19:33] We have the cost to have them engraved as exceeding what we're charging for said bricks.

[2:19:38] So I think, I don't mean to steal too much of your thunder, but I think that's the nexus of it.

[2:19:45] And is the clerk have a recommendation, tell us, I think there's 75 for a brick, is that correct?

[2:19:53] $100 for brick and $75 for a tile.

[2:19:57] Other way around.

[2:19:58] Oh, sorry.

[2:19:59] The tiles are bigger.

[2:20:00] Correct.

[2:20:01] Yep, so $100 for the tiles and 75 for the bricks, did I say that right?

[2:20:07] Okay, and they are estimating to be $6 to engrave them no matter the size of the bricks.

[2:20:14] And so we kind of can't visit other jurisdictions to see what other jurisdictions are charging for bricks and tiles.

[2:20:21] It's anywhere from $100 to $500.

[2:20:24] A couple of them charge $125, so we are recommending $125 for both.

[2:20:29] This is a hard code, so we can't just administratively do it, so we're looking for a recommendation.

[2:20:37] Councillor Murmore, see you have a spot.

[2:20:40] What do you want?

[2:20:40] You want Jada?

[2:20:41] Jada have a thought.

[2:20:42] Well, I want to have a thought, but I want to read the motion because we can't talk about it till we have a motion on the table.

[2:20:48] Is there's not a motion, no, it's a discussion.

[2:20:51] We're just given direction and then we'll bring back.

[2:20:54] Thank you, I'm sorry, I thought this is a, this is a, this is a, okay, where does the money go?

[2:21:00] So, it goes into, I believe, the general fund.

[2:21:04] There was a previous motion in the past when they raised the increase of the bricks and

[2:21:09] tiles, the leftover funds would go towards purchasing garland for

[2:21:14] the festival of times and lights.

[2:21:18] So is there a fund out there with a balance in it because we've been collecting this over time?

[2:21:24] Usually, every other time we're over in or over cost and sometimes we're under cost, it's been a wash.

[2:21:33] So we may have, sometimes we'll have, we'll advertise it and

[2:21:37] And we'll have 18 people want to do bricks and tiles, and it costs $1,000 to do it.

[2:21:44] Other times we have five people, and it's going to cost $600 to do it.

[2:21:48] And so we've been directed by the finance director or the treasurer at the time to go ahead and move forward because it's been paid for, and it'll offset for the general fund, so it's been a gamut over the years.

[2:22:00] This isn't a money making scheme.

[2:22:02] Correct.

[2:22:04] What is it?

[2:22:06] It is the original creation of it was to help promote the special times and lights.

[2:22:14] Because it was a money-making scheme at the time, right?

[2:22:17] Yeah, so they raised the funds to hold festival times and lights and it carried on.

[2:22:21] Yeah, Christmas decorations and things.

[2:22:23] I get it.

[2:22:24] That's my point.

[2:22:25] I'm trying to get it.

[2:22:25] It's some point in money-making which is longer.

[2:22:28] It's so fun to fix that or make a goal.

[2:22:30] Well, and if we're not going to use those funds for those funding, to me, it sounds like why do we continue the program?

[2:22:38] Because we still have bricks and tiles that have the ability to be engraved.

[2:22:43] So, so that's what I'm trying to get at.

[2:22:46] If that's what we really want to do, and that is the purpose of this, why don't we just make it reflect the actual cost

[2:22:55] or repurpose the program.

[2:22:57] But I think we're about to do a program like that across the way in it.

[2:23:02] I'm just saying I'm in agreement.

[2:23:04] I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said anything for a recommendation.

[2:23:06] I would too, which is why I'm trying to say like either we discontinue it or

[2:23:09] we make it at the cost, it takes to do it because if we're not making money,

[2:23:14] why are we still trying to make money?

[2:23:16] It makes my head hurt thinking that those government dollars are sitting in there somewhere in our budget and

[2:23:22] Noah can't track that and are we using them right?

[2:23:25] So, that's my two cents on all.

[2:23:27] We haven't made it, we haven't made a more than an effort, any time.

[2:23:31] But even where are those few dollars, because all those dollars go somewhere?

[2:23:35] They went in the General Fund and they got spent somehow.

[2:23:39] So Council Member Rosebethy.

[2:23:40] John, I think you got a nickel out of that.

[2:23:43] Just real quickly, I'm all in favor of continuing the program because it does give some exposure.

[2:23:50] And also, I would agree that it covered costs, but not just engraving, also putting, assuming the engraving is not just done in place, or is it?

[2:23:59] Oh, it is done in place, okay.

[2:24:00] Yeah, just as long as we're covering in our cost, I'd be perfectly happy with that.

[2:24:03] You have to count for staff time, too.

[2:24:05] Like a round number.

[2:24:06] That's what you guys have in the thing in mind.

[2:24:08] It's at 175, should it go to 200 and 150 for the other one?

[2:24:16] I don't know.

[2:24:17] We didn't say the number?

[2:24:19] It's at 125, 100 times Ann Briggs.

[2:24:23] Yeah.

[2:24:24] Okay, she has a recommendation in there.

[2:24:26] Yep.

[2:24:28] Wow.

[2:24:29] All right.

[2:24:29] It was 175.

[2:24:31] So, 125, you can cover our cost with that?

[2:24:35] Okay.

[2:24:36] All right.

[2:24:37] Yep.

[2:24:38] All right.

[2:24:39] So we'll bring a resolution back on the consent agenda.

[2:24:42] Hopefully.

[2:24:44] All right.

[2:24:44] Good night, expect everybody's name to be out there.

[2:24:47] All right.

[2:24:48] Was that the consensus?

[2:24:49] 125?

[2:24:50] You're fine with that?

[2:24:51] Not being passionate.

[2:24:53] Let's go into committee reports.

[2:24:56] Economic Development Tourism.

[2:24:57] You meet on September 14.

[2:25:00] It looks like a new time of 11 a.m.

[2:25:03] And utilities meet met today.

[2:25:06] We did.

[2:25:06] Got a report?

[2:25:07] I do.

[2:25:08] And for brevity's sake, Dennis gave us a great update on all the progress

[2:25:13] So we're going online, the biggest positive news was in Alette Dennis or Noah Sherrett was well-eleven budget versus construction.

[2:25:30] I'll let them talk about it, and that's my report for today.

[2:25:34] Okay, on finance, you meet next Tuesday, and it's going to be all about the budget.

[2:25:40] And then that budget conversation comes to the work study and that'll be most of that meeting evening to transportation mates on September 22nd land use on September 16 and lodging tax likely it's sometime in October on to the

[2:25:56] a quarter of the mayor. I facilitated a meeting with the other three

[2:26:01] mayors and the county commissioners around the county's 1-10th-1% public safety measure.

[2:26:08] As I spoke previously, that councilmatic action by the commissioners would generate $7.5

[2:26:15] million in revenue. New revenue and approximately $5 million of these funds are generated in

[2:26:20] the cities, but the cities receive none of these funds. After our meeting, I gained a

[2:26:26] The biggest driver in this, after our meeting, I gained a better understanding of how the jail is funded.

[2:26:35] And the jail costs $27 million a year to operate.

[2:26:40] And the dead day charges that we pay, roughly $400,000 a year, coupled with the other cities, total $4.8 million a year.

[2:26:52] So, I was backhandedly offered our $1 million, but then the county would like to divide $27 million, $5 ways, and that didn't seem like a very good deal.

[2:27:06] So, while I don't like the county's tax being imposed in our city, they are allowed to do it.

[2:27:16] And there are needs at the county that we benefit from as a city, in particular the operation of the jail that we incarcerate people in.

[2:27:29] So, wish I had better news.

[2:27:31] The public health board next week, I was going to have Dr. Duber come and talk about cratum.

[2:27:38] Since that time, or a matter of a couple of weeks ago, the DEA has made cratum a schedule one substance.

[2:27:45] and it is no longer available, so I have canceled that presentation next week.

[2:27:50] The senior center, I don't have the silver bullet, but I did have a meeting on Friday with Commissioner Rude on another matter.

[2:28:00] And I talked to him about the senior center, and while he's written, the county's written the seniors group a letter that really hasn't been a sit down and to talk about this.

[2:28:12] And so, I facilitated and I've reached out to Nancy and Fran, who are the President and the Vice President.

[2:28:22] I talked to them today, and we're going to meet in Commissioner Root's office on September 18th.

[2:28:28] I briefed our representative Richards on this situation today.

[2:28:34] I think short-term solutions and talking to Commissioner Walters and it sounds like our senior group is on this path, is forming their own legal entities so that they can solicit grants and donations and have some way to put those into a bank account and open a bank account and do those things.

[2:28:57] The group in Silverdale has done something similar to that according to Commissioner Walters.

[2:29:03] And our senior group is on that path right now.

[2:29:09] And I think the long-term solution is our parks and wrecks levy.

[2:29:15] And I've already seen a rendering of what a rebuilt active club up at Gibbons looks like.

[2:29:22] It's $5 million, but that's going to take a vote of our citizens or grants from the state, or it's a long-term solution.

[2:29:33] It's not a tomorrow solution, and we've got to find some solutions and some fundraising opportunities for these folks to rent something somewhere.

[2:29:42] And so that's Commissioner Root did say that while everybody's been given

[2:30:00] Given that June date, and that's when they intend to market the building, and that's when the end of the school year is when the Montessori needs to be out of there, that just because they're going to market it doesn't mean it's sold. Everybody needs to plan for the worst case scenario, but that isn't a drop dead date. When the building sells, that's when people are actually going to have to be out. That's what he communicated to me.

[2:30:28] And that's what he needs to communicate to these individuals, and hopefully we have a good

[2:30:34] meeting here in a couple of weeks. So, is that Councilmember Morrissey motion? Nope. Councilmember

[2:30:39] Devin?

[2:30:40] Have the lease holders been given a first-right-of-fusel?

[2:30:44] Yes.

[2:30:45] I'm certain anybody could buy the building.

[2:30:47] That's what I'm saying. Is that on the table?

[2:30:49] I don't know.

[2:30:50] You'd have to ask. I'm not showing the building.

[2:30:52] I'm not showing the building.

[2:30:55] I'm not showing the building. So, anyone could buy that?

[2:30:57] You were having conversations, I didn't know if you had had a conversation about that.

[2:31:01] I haven't seen what the terms are, what the sale price are.

[2:31:06] I have no knowledge of that, so I just, so.

[2:31:11] And lastly, last Friday, the Kitsap Transit every four years is required to hold a board composition committee.

[2:31:22] And we met Friday for a few hours.

[2:31:24] members discussed different options around board structure, and at the end of the day,

[2:31:31] no changes to the Board of Commissioners Board.

[2:31:40] And that ends my report.

[2:31:43] And I've got Department Directors, Mr. Go ahead, sir.

[2:31:50] Mr. Ryan, it's been a long night.

[2:31:52] Good evening, everybody. Just a couple brief updates. Councilmember Rosa Pepe mentioned

[2:31:57] well 11 and Director Crocker gave a final report tonight. The final budget was, and as

[2:32:04] you saw tonight when we're talking about the community event center, we have a total

[2:32:07] project budget. So the well 11 came in just under a million dollars with the total project

[2:32:12] budget. So even though we had change orders, as often as the case, we still come below our

[2:32:18] our total project budget, so that was good news.

[2:32:20] And I also wanted to talk tonight, we are about a week away from wrapping up with our

[2:32:25] localized paving that the Kitsap County is conducting throughout town.

[2:32:28] That's going very, very well.

[2:32:30] We're also going to start back up with the Sydney Project where that private contractor is going

[2:32:34] to mobilize out.

[2:32:35] I've reached out to the principals of both schools.

[2:32:37] I made it myself and staff available to a weekly meeting if they want to.

[2:32:42] If anybody hears of any questions, concerns, tell them to please reach out to our office and

[2:32:47] and we'll try to mitigate those questions.

[2:32:49] I've answered a lot of those emails today.

[2:32:51] I think they mobilized this end of this week, I believe,

[2:32:55] start on that project, so.

[2:32:56] Mr. Crocker.

[2:32:57] Oh, can I ask a question, Director Rain?

[2:32:59] Sorry, Director Rain, who was doing the work outside on,

[2:33:02] I don't know if it's Beach Drive, Bay Street right out there,

[2:33:05] in front of Whiskey-Gulps, just wanted.

[2:33:06] That is the county.

[2:33:07] Would you give them feedback that their folks are probably

[2:33:11] some of the best flaggers I've ever been a part of?

[2:33:15] We had our rotary meeting getting out right as they were doing

[2:33:17] right there, they couldn't have had more chaotic of a mess.

[2:33:21] And for two people to handle that the way they did, they nailed it.

[2:33:25] So please pass that along.

[2:33:27] Thank you, Mr. Cracker.

[2:33:30] I'll just be brief, I wanted to answer Rose Peppie's question, the director of our answer to it, savings of $1.1 million.

[2:33:37] Total project cost was $8.4 million, we came in right to about $7.3 million.

[2:33:41] So great project, great success story, great job, how it works.

[2:33:45] But we don't have a million dollars in found money.

[2:33:48] We had a loan and we reduced the obligation of the loans.

[2:33:51] Yeah, so financially it was a lot more than 1.1 million dollars because it would have been a borrowing that we would have had to repay or a time.

[2:33:57] So even more savings.

[2:34:02] Ms. Lein, do you have anything to report?

[2:34:04] I do.

[2:34:06] As you know, I need to report to you anytime we make a change in the job description or a city policy.

[2:34:13] Last reported to you three months ago.

[2:34:15] We have updated one policy, that is the bilingual pay policy.

[2:34:20] We added a clarification as to when that would be effective.

[2:34:24] And we have updated 14 job descriptions.

[2:34:28] If you want to buckle up, I can go through the list, or

[2:34:31] I can just let you know that it's all housekeeping in nature, and

[2:34:36] no substantial changes, just a constant continual process.

[2:34:40] So thank you.

[2:34:43] I just wanted to thank you all for accommodating me these past few months.

[2:34:47] I'm happy to be back in person and looking forward to diving back in in person.

[2:34:53] So I will be here next Tuesday, not next Tuesday, but the following Tuesday all day for office hours.

[2:34:57] If anyone wanted to chat about anything, I should be here at to be all day.

[2:35:01] Thanks so much.

[2:35:02] Deputy Chief Brande.

[2:35:04] Yeah, we've had one officer just get off of his training phase.

[2:35:08] So he's on his own now in the street.

[2:35:09] So that's great.

[2:35:10] Great, we got another one, hopefully doing that soon, and we got two graduating academy in the beginning of next month, and then one at the end of the month.

[2:35:16] So we're still busy with our training, but we're seeing some progress.

[2:35:20] Thank you, Ms. Wallace.

[2:35:22] Just a couple of things, just a reminder that we are opening up for committee members for lodging tax.

[2:35:29] So we're trying to get the wrapped up and brought before you to confirm the mayor's appointment, probably the end of September.

[2:35:35] hoping to get the community together in October to provide you recommendations for your approval for the next biennial of lodging tax dollars.

[2:35:45] The other thing is I did confirm with the Kitsette Community Society Animal Control, they will be at the Land Use Committee to bring forth some additional code modifications based on some recent activities that has occurred in the city limits.

[2:36:00] as well as the proposal to handle the licensing of pets solely from them versus half the city in our mix of the city and animal control.

[2:36:13] So they should be there, and then hopefully before you guys for final approval, they're contract for the next meeting.

[2:36:20] Do we know which land use committee meeting they will be at?

[2:36:23] At the September one, the 15th, next week I think.

[2:36:26] Okay, next week, yeah.

[2:36:35] If we can get the contract ready together by then, but I suspect probably not until October.

[2:36:42] Yeah, okay.

[2:36:45] Code was a different track than the contract for services, so but we need to update our code and

[2:36:52] that's going to go through a process through land use first and probably make a stop at work study in October and November.

[2:36:59] All right. With that, I'm going to go to our second citizen comment period. If there's

[2:37:04] anyone wishing to address the council, anybody online use the Raise Your Hand Feature and

[2:37:09] the clerk would bring you into the meeting. All right. I'm not saying anybody rushing the

[2:37:15] podium, so I'm going to close this in comment period. And anything for the good of the order?

[2:37:21] Council member Warden, go ahead. I do. I would really like to entertain

[2:37:28] council by committee that John mentioned. I'd like to just maybe have a

[2:37:33] during a work study to consider that discuss it and maybe come January we give it a

[2:37:40] shot. We cancel a lot of a lot of meetings. There's a lot of meetings that I

[2:37:45] turn on I watch online. I watch online, to be honest with you, but I think

[2:37:53] be productive for us all to gain the knowledge that everyone is gaining, not watch the presentation

[2:38:01] during a committee, then turn around how the presentation in the work study, then

[2:38:05] how the presentation up here as well. It's pretty redundant. But I would like to possibly

[2:38:10] give it a shot. Showing up here today at 6 o'clock wasn't a big deal. 5.30. We do that two

[2:38:17] times a week, two times a month anyhow, that we're on Zoom, and then we rushed to get here.

[2:38:22] I went at my start in a little bit earlier.

[2:38:25] I talked to John and I went and brought it up and I spoke to Paul's bill a couple of

[2:38:30] people over there and they enjoyed doing that.

[2:38:36] One more thing is-

[2:38:38] So I'll pull on that.

[2:38:38] Put that one.

[2:38:40] We're going to be immersed in budget here for the next couple of months.

[2:38:45] How about potentially the November work study?

[2:38:48] If it's not too busy, we dive into that, and then that could meet your timeline, if there's going to be changes, because then we've got to amend our code and do a few things to make that layout.

[2:38:59] I don't have a timeline, right? I just kind of want to throw it out there that we'll see if we can get on there and just to entertain it, see how it looks.

[2:39:06] Hopefully we can get there in November. We typically take a Christmas break and don't have a December work study, but no later in January.

[2:39:13] Sure.

[2:39:14] The question regarding the cracker.

[2:39:18] Now does our contractor, do they, do you out and find the artist to do that, and whatnot?

[2:39:25] Or who goes out and finds the artist for that?

[2:39:28] Their question, it won't be the general contractor.

[2:39:32] Not the contractor, I apologize, our architects, our design team, that we will commission that

[2:39:40] that piece of art and same way with somebody will build that and then our general likely, the scenario is,

[2:39:48] or could be having the order to contract yet, then they will install that with help from the artist.

[2:39:54] And same way with that two-story art piece inside, same way we're going to commission a piece of art.

[2:40:04] And there's probably not a ton of places that can do either one of those things.

[2:40:09] So I, you know, life is, I've bought somebody, they're talking about what his mom does for

[2:40:15] living because little Stan wants.

[2:40:17] And I'm going to give Miss Wallace a link to send out, literally it's what she does,

[2:40:26] all over the country, and it is amazing.

[2:40:30] She works from Stan Wands, but Colorado and Utah is where they have to advocate it.

[2:40:35] It is, her work is just unbelievable.

[2:40:37] I was jaw-dropped, and the only my mind was that crack in.

[2:40:43] So, remember when we do government work, they need to be on the MSRC, is it MSRC?

[2:40:51] It's something, it's an acronym, what's the list they have to be on?

[2:40:53] Or did it go on?

[2:40:54] The rosters, but there are deviations we can do for our, like we've done with the mural projects.

[2:40:58] So, again, don't know where, I just want to, I'll send out the link,

[2:41:05] and

[2:41:06] You know, as someone that does it, that is, I don't know, maybe take a trip and once, and go meet somebody.

[2:41:13] But it's pretty cool to see that, and so I'm going to share that information with Brandy and she gets it though.

[2:41:21] Okay, so just if I can follow on that, what is the materials that are contemplated for this?

[2:41:27] It's cast deal, I don't know, I don't know yet, I mean, I don't have the specifications for it.

[2:41:33] Or there's going to be a process for us to just elicit the artwork I think.

[2:41:39] Yeah, I want it to be a nice.

[2:41:40] And he's got to be durable, because while it's not designed to be climbed on,

[2:41:45] it gets him climb on it, it's right outside.

[2:41:46] Oh, for sure, for sure.

[2:41:49] All right, anything else for the good of the order?

[2:41:51] Can comes by Rose Beppie.

[2:41:52] A couple things, we're not obviously not doing a procedure's review tonight.

[2:41:57] I have asked the mayor for 30 minutes that next week's work study, so.

[2:42:04] I'm asking for it if you have on that, Scott sent out coffee with Council notes from Saturday.

[2:42:13] We had a very robust discussion and a couple items.

[2:42:15] I have to put my comments together, a couple people I talked to separately from that.

[2:42:21] And most importantly, just a reminder for the public that the election is Tuesday, November 3rd.

[2:42:28] And please register to vote if you haven't, and you can go on live to the auditor's office.

[2:42:34] Kitsap County and check your registration.

[2:42:37] The last time there was a non-presidential election, only 66.4% of the eligible voters voted and we can do better.

[2:42:46] So please vote.

[2:42:49] Thank you.

[2:42:50] Okay.

[2:42:51] Council Member Deena.

[2:42:52] So back in April, Nick sent out an email on SmartGov implementation and it had some milestones

[2:43:01] including in September.

[2:43:05] So are we slated to get an update on where DCD is and it's permitting improvements?

[2:43:10] I'm certainly going to give you one at the end of the month.

[2:43:14] I know that we're close to going live on the new, on the smart gov updates, but

[2:43:23] I'm not sure, it's very close, it's in October, at some point, where we go live with the new system provided everything.

[2:43:32] Yeah, portal, it says portal live in September.

[2:43:35] Okay, but so there's some global changes of which this is just a part of that.

[2:43:41] Yes, I would like to hear more about the global improvement.

[2:43:44] Mr. Bond has gone at a conference this week, so I'm just going to go ahead.

[2:43:50] Going to go very here.

[2:43:52] So, as we all know, Ms. Deli Parton died a couple of weeks ago.

[2:43:58] And one of the things that I have just always admired about her, at least once I found out about it,

[2:44:06] was her commitment to community service and others.

[2:44:08] and especially the Dolly Parton Imagination Library.

[2:44:13] I remember seeing a Facebook meme circulating around kind of joking,

[2:44:18] but also serious, that like Star Wars fans claim May 4th as a way of celebrating Star Wars fandom,

[2:44:28] that September 25th or 9 to 5, like the movie The Dolly Parton, start in,

[2:44:34] would actually be a wonderful day to celebrate, not only her life and legacy, but the things

[2:44:40] that she really stood for. And it kind of germinated an idea for me of, like, wouldn't

[2:44:46] it be great for the city to kind of just support that same sort of idea, especially

[2:45:00] I'm actually around childhood literacy. And so I'm in the process right now of trying to figure out how the city might be able to put, you know, some, some, at least name behind that. I don't want to use any other kind of, like, three sources. I touched with the Ahmed Library at this over some other ideas. I know I sent one to you, Mayor Rob, Mayor Robbotton, possibly a proclamation down the road. So, haven't heard back, well, haven't checked my email.

[2:45:29] So I apologize for that, but I guess we'll just see where that goes.

[2:45:33] I wanted to put that out there that I hope it is a win-win for everyone to honor not only that legacy, but to make our community better.

[2:45:41] Mr. Mayor, if I may follow on to that.

[2:45:43] One of the things I'd like to talk about at some point, work study, or maybe even retreat is more regular proclamations of certain issues and events that we know other jurisdictions celebrate.

[2:45:54] And I think some people in the audience tonight said, you know, we speak to DEI, but we don't necessarily live it or talk it the way we should.

[2:46:03] So I'd like to pull the bandaid off and get that discussion underway.

[2:46:10] I'd like to piggyback off of that because I wanted to bring that back up.

[2:46:15] Right now we tabled inclusion to talk to a committee that doesn't deal with it.

[2:46:22] It was an employee committee that isn't made to deal with city policies.

[2:46:28] That's what city council is for.

[2:46:31] And so, if that was like a motion, I'll second that wherever you want to put that, that

[2:46:36] we put that back.

[2:46:37] We have a discussion in the work study to start following up on, I said there's a term

[2:46:46] I'm putting in here with money when all this.

[2:46:50] Also, to talk about that too, is that there were concerns at the town hall

[2:46:56] took place at a church.

[2:47:00] And I feel like these are things that if we took inclusion a little bit more seriously,

[2:47:05] we would have had a conversation about that earlier on.

[2:47:09] And so, yeah, and then the other things I wanted to bring up were,

[2:47:17] I know that I am not this body's favorite person, but I was really disturbed that in the Utilities Committee today.

[2:47:26] Last week, I asked for an agenda item to be put on the Utilities Committee agenda.

[2:47:32] And it was something that further rules we have discussed in person via email.

[2:47:38] very clearly it was within the rules to be on the agenda and there was pushback on put on me and I didn't appreciate that because we keep taught we I don't like for people to tell me the rules reiterate the rules and then somehow they don't apply to me and then the second part is

[2:47:55] about rules that apply to me but not to other people. Let's talk about Roberts rules because people love to get on me about talking over people and you see time and time again others doing the same

[2:48:06] to the point that I couldn't even understand what was happening earlier.

[2:48:10] It's too many people talking at me for a question when I was seeking response to a question.

[2:48:15] So I would just ask for fairness when we hold my knee to a standard that the body holds themselves to that standard.

[2:48:22] And then last, when I mentioned earlier today, the issue of the public hearing, you saw that that wasn't taken well.

[2:48:33] However, I hope that you notice that the fact that we did not notice that public hearing correctly that we did not make it clear, that we did not have as a body of the authority to deliberate on whether we would support, support, initiative, the most confusion.

[2:48:50] And to evidence the confusion, we saw the general manager of KPUD say multiple times as you make your decision consider, as you, City Council, make your decision consider.

[2:49:06] So again, if when I bring these things up, they are not to embarrass, they are just to make us better as a body, thank you.

[2:49:20] Yeah, so this weekend you have a great opportunity in front of you to a 10-night market.

[2:49:30] It's the last one of the year.

[2:49:33] It's right down here on the, I don't remember all the great adjectives that Jay used in describing our waterfront that Scott gave in.

[2:49:41] Down here on our waterfront, we're going to put that to use even before we make it beautiful.

[2:49:45] And I'm super excited, because I love to see the people in our spaces.

[2:49:51] No matter what our spaces look like, they always look vibrant with the people in them.

[2:49:57] So come and join that with me this weekend, and that's what I have to say.

[2:50:03] Go Hawks, more beautiful, it's already beautiful.

[2:50:06] Yes, more beautiful, more beautiful.

[2:50:08] All right, that meeting is adjourned.

[2:50:13] Recording stopped.

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