[0:25] Good evening and welcome to the Paul's post city council meeting. September 2nd, 2026. We all

[0:32] begin our meeting with explaining the context, the lens, the way we view issues. Paul's

[0:37] vote is committed to being a welcoming, diverse and equitable community, where all people can

[0:44] access tools and opportunities to improve their quality of life, allowing them to reach

[0:50] their full potential. During its meetings, the Paul's post city council will use this

[0:54] to inclusively view its discussions, and actions, and all that.

[1:00] We have a special proclamation tonight that embodies that very lens.

[1:04] I'm going to call on my deputy mayor and city council member colleague,

[1:09] but lived all to read the land acknowledgement if you would.

[1:12] Happily.

[1:14] Paul Spow is located on the ancestral lands of the indigenous,

[1:18] promised people. For whom this place was known, as tucked-to-clots, or the land of the vine

[1:24] maples. In 1854, Chief Seacht said,

[1:30] every part of the soil is sacred in the estimation of my people. Every hillside, every valley,

[1:37] every plain and grove has been hollowed by some sad or happy event in days long vanished.

[1:44] Thank you very much, Britt.

[1:46] Now those of you who can please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

[2:15] Thank you.

[2:17] The next item is the actual agenda review, and I'm going to call to my colleagues attention.

[2:25] There is a brand new agenda in front of you that has two additions to it.

[2:30] There's a professional service contract that we will go over.

[2:35] And then there is an addition to the workshop agenda that the City Clerk has included,

[2:44] which is the addition of a council, goals, discussion, to support the upcoming budget

[2:49] work we're going to be undertaking throughout the fall.

[2:53] I would entertain a motion to approve the agenda as amended unless there's a question from

[2:58] council.

[2:59] Mayor, I move to approve the updated agenda.

[3:04] I have a motion and a second and any discussion not seeing any will do this as a voice

[3:10] vote. All those in favor please say aye. Opposed that that passes. So we have our agenda

[3:17] before us. There are copies in the back of the room for those of you who wish to see it

[3:22] or if you're online. It's available at the city website. The next item is the public comment.

[3:29] Comments can be made in person, please state your name and limit your comment to three minutes unless additional time is granted by council.

[3:39] Just note as a rule council will not respond to public comments.

[3:43] Written comments can also be submitted up to 2 PM the day of the council meeting to the city clerk's office, but they will not be shared at the public meeting.

[3:52] With that said, and I'll note there will be a second period of public comments at the end of the steady session a few hours from now in case any additional comment is forthcoming

[4:04] So I am calling for public comment if anybody has anything they'd like to share

[4:09] Please come to the podium state your name you up three minutes and we're glad to see you Mr. President

[4:19] Thank you

[4:21] City Council, I'm President of the Sun's Norway and Paul's

[4:27] Bowl here and I know the mayor likes proclamation.

[4:30] So I wrote a proclamation for you, based from the Sun's

[4:33] Norway.

[4:34] If you give me a second to read it, it's a resolution of appreciation

[4:37] for our convention we held back in May 28th to 30th of this year.

[4:42] Whereas the Paul's Bowl Sun's Norway Lodge 2-44 was honored to host

[4:46] by annual district conference in convention held on May 28th, 30th, 2026 in possible Washington,

[4:53] and whereas the success of this important convention was made possible in part through

[4:58] the support cooperation of hospitality.

[5:00] And it's leadership. And whereas the pulse will suns in Norway's lodge 2-44, wishes to recognize and sincerely thank Mayor Ed Stern, the member of the Pulse for City Council, please chief Ron Harding, City Administrator Ron Gilder, for their support and assistance. And whereas the lodge greatly appreciates the city of Pulse before welcoming our members and delegates and helping make district 2's convention as successful and memorable event. And now, therefore, be it resolved that the Pulse will suns in Norway's

[5:29] is pleased to present to the City Council, the official convention voting paddle, so you

[5:36] could have your own paddle to vote on all of that.

[5:40] Thanks, Mayor.

[5:40] Approach?

[5:42] Please approach and share.

[5:44] Thank you, Curtis.

[6:12] Curtis, I might recall you to the podium for a moment after you present our police chief,

[6:17] his paddle.

[6:18] And I will note for the council, I attended the conference and these were used for voting.

[6:24] They're not used for paddling.

[6:26] So we may add times disagree but do not use these, all right, that comes with the warning.

[6:32] Mr. President, I might add to ask you to share a few words on the passing of the King of Norway in the past week, if you would.

[6:41] Yes, so we saw the news early Friday night or Friday morning.

[6:49] We lowered the flag in his honor for the half mass for the King.

[6:53] We published it on our website with a letter of appreciation for all he's done.

[7:01] The king visited us here in 1975, I want to believe, and his son, the Prince of the

[7:10] time, had visited us back in 1992.

[7:14] So we have King Olaf, and we had King Harold at the time of King Harold to go over.

[7:19] So we had both of them there.

[7:21] We had pictures probably displayed within the sons of Norway, and he's going to be a missed

[7:29] figure, because all of our older people that are involved in the science have been around

[7:33] a lot longer than I have I've been in four years, but we've had a lot of people talking

[7:38] about him and stuff like that, and we're going to honor him with a mass proclamation that

[7:44] and I hope to send to the Council in Norway for the ambassador to bring back to the country

[7:53] in Norway.

[7:54] So, I thank you for that calling out.

[7:59] I would have issued an executive order to lower our flags to have mass but they were already

[8:03] under federal orders to be at half mass.

[8:06] So, I don't think we would go down to court or mass, Mr. President.

[8:09] and we couldn't wait, we got ours a little bit late.

[8:12] We, our person who volunteers to do our flags was a little bit late

[8:16] to get him out, but we got him down, and we got

[8:18] to make sure everybody's country was represented in the halfbacks.

[8:22] So Prince Hogan, I believe his name is the now

[8:26] New King of Norway, correct?

[8:28] So he will have a coronation, probably within the week,

[8:32] after the week of morning has gone through.

[8:36] So we honor that.

[8:37] We honor the memory of the two previous visits.

[8:40] We've been honored with that.

[8:42] We have a sister city in the form of Ballard,

[8:44] and we have a sister city in Norway as well.

[8:47] Deep connection.

[8:49] For those of you who realize how I celebrate my alma mater,

[8:52] I won't mention the name except my dog's name is Cal.

[8:55] I have to share with you Mr. President, Prince Hogan,

[8:58] is a Cal Golden Bear.

[9:00] These took us, so this could be a whole new level

[9:03] of commentary and abuse over the next period

[9:06] I just wanted to warn people.

[9:08] Well, at least, you know, I could say that if he is a 49er fan, he'd have my appreciation

[9:12] too.

[9:13] There we go.

[9:14] Thank you.

[9:15] All right.

[9:15] Thank you for tolerating that little exchange.

[9:18] And now I'm going to call again for public comment.

[9:21] If you have comments, you'd like to share with the City Council.

[9:24] Now is the time.

[9:26] State your name for the record.

[9:27] You have three minutes.

[9:28] And there will be a second round at the end of the meeting.

[9:31] Please come forward.

[9:36] Hello, my name is Paula Strid, I have been a community member for several several decades.

[9:46] My children graduated out of North Kitsap schools, and they're now in their late 40s, so I have been here a long time and see.

[10:00] I was very sad to see the parking lot have the signs up. I felt it was very discriminatory.

[10:20] It pretty much

[10:21] says if you don't have a smartphone, we don't really want you here, and being a senior,

[10:29] and having my phone on me may be half the time I go out.

[10:33] It is not glued to my body like it is to many people.

[10:40] I can get into Palspo and, oh, I don't have my phone with me, and so I have not parked there.

[10:53] I will park away and I am thankful for good health that I can walk the hill and get in here.

[11:01] But the second part really tore me up and that is that I have always loved Paul's vote.

[11:13] And I've been very proud to say this is where I'm from.

[11:19] I work many, many volunteer hours for fish line.

[11:24] You can find me at the farmers market.

[11:28] Pulse is less to have a fantastic farmer's market, the best, I mean we are getting people

[11:37] from Bainbridge because they say our market is better and the really sad part of it is

[11:50] that this is the first time that fish line has ever known.

[11:58] They have active military coming for food from the food bank.

[12:04] And you think, oh, they've got the commissary.

[12:06] They've got, no, they don't have enough money for their families.

[12:12] And I look at that and I found out that it's $3 an hour.

[12:19] that's what someone told me. I have not seen it posted anywhere, but it's $3 an hour,

[12:27] which doesn't seem like a lot. But if you're a military family and you want to do something

[12:33] with your family for a day and you don't have the money because you're going to the food bank for food,

[12:41] Then you want to come up and spend three hours here, maybe go to the Marine Science Center.

[12:50] There's just, it's a cool place to bring a family.

[12:54] And that nine dollars, twelve dollars, maybe you can't buy the kids a treat.

[13:03] It's every dollar is being counted right now.

[13:07] Fish line went up from approximately 300 or 350 families a week last year.

[13:18] The three minutes is wrapping up to do conclude.

[13:22] But they're getting 150 households a day now.

[13:28] And I think those people would be welcomed here.

[13:33] and with that they are not welcomed here and it, I just, it hurts my heart, but that's what it is.

[13:45] We appreciate those remarks and the Council takes them quite seriously.

[13:49] We'll perhaps have some discussion regarding part of that in the course of the meeting.

[13:54] Again, I'm going to call for public comment.

[13:57] If you have a concern to question, I thought you'd like to share with the City Council, please come forward.

[14:02] And again, I just want to say very clearly.

[14:04] There'll be a second opportunity for remarks

[14:07] at the end of the meeting, again, from the podium.

[14:10] So please come forward.

[14:14] And again, state your name, play Surresidence.

[14:16] Welcome tonight.

[14:19] Hello.

[14:20] My name is Martin White-Olic.

[14:22] I live up in Hermit Ridge, Paul Zboff at Thompson.

[14:31] I had my first experience with a parking

[14:33] down there, came down to do some photography down at downtown there. There was a wedding

[14:42] thing. And it was about 22, six, and I got my phone and got the thing to do, the QR code.

[14:53] and the price for 20 minutes was $3.25.

[15:00] It wasn't pro-rated for the hour, like the lady said, for $3.25, and I was in Seattle a couple of weeks ago,

[15:08] uptown, and an hour there cost a buck 50, you know, and they had a kioski to put your card in.

[15:17] I think about, you know, why these signs are so high with this tiny QR code. Imagine it's dark, or like today it's raining, and you try to point your phone up,

[15:29] getting reigned on, trying to scan a QR code.

[15:32] My girlfriend couldn't do it the other day.

[15:36] She tried a couple of times to make it work.

[15:39] And there's statistically, there's approximately

[15:41] five million people that adults that do not have phones.

[15:47] And 22 million don't have phones like flip phones

[15:51] that don't have the ability to scan QR codes.

[15:54] And I don't always have my phone either.

[15:56] It's like I never take it into a restaurant or in a business.

[15:58] you know, I just keep it in the car, but you know, I used it for that. So I just think

[16:04] it's, you know, I tried calling the company a couple times and the AI says, well, connect

[16:11] you right away. And I tried three times to voice my concern about the way it's set up. And

[16:19] I was on hold for 20 minutes and just each time and couldn't get through, couldn't

[16:25] So there's nothing that indicates that it's only, you know, you try to pay, you know, you don't know, there's nothing it says it's there's no charge after six o'clock and so on.

[16:37] But it's always been free and it's like for all that fuss that's going on and it's angering a lot of people, it really is frustrating.

[16:45] This is worth it, and again, going back to the basics of, like, you know, get stark at

[16:52] 430 in the winter, and it's raining or windy or whatever, you can't stand the code.

[16:59] And so I just think it's a real mess, and that what makes sense to me would be to have a

[17:05] kiosk, you know, maybe I want it at either end of the parking lot, where people could use

[17:09] their card, you know, because I think just about everybody has a card today, but some don't,

[17:14] you know, they have to use cash. So it's, uh, and I, I'm a vendor, you know, I have about four

[17:18] accounts where I sell my greeting cards and postcards and stuff. We have a lot of

[17:23] postcards and I was able to use the vendor parking behind cats me out because I was, you

[17:29] know, restocking there yesterday, luckily. But anyway, I just think it's kind of messed up.

[17:35] And, uh, if anything, the signs should be lowered. The QR code should be bigger. There

[17:40] be some phone number and I think that there ought to be a moratorium on giving anybody a ticket

[17:45] down there. And so, thanks for listening. Appreciate it.

[17:50] Thank you, and the Council here is you, I assure you. Calling for additional public comment

[17:59] and calling for additional public comment. And not seeing any, we're going to move on to Mayor's

[18:08] report and Council comments. We have a special proclamation tonight that will be read into

[18:14] the record. I'm going to lead off with that and then turn to Council comments and then

[18:19] refrain from my remarks till the very end. I would like to note, and this is a particularly

[18:26] special moment, if not poignant, we're going to be declaring Hispanic heritage month. And

[18:34] What makes it especially poignant for me and perhaps the city is a whole is that number

[18:41] one close to 15 percent of Paul's most population is Hispanic or Latino.

[18:47] It is the largest pro-rata concentration of Hispanic or Latino on the peninsula.

[18:54] And number two, what makes it poignant for me is the original immigration, the original

[19:01] explorers of this area where the Spanish, preceding the British, preceding the Americans.

[19:09] And now, and I remember attending some special Hispanic events, and I'm going to be

[19:16] prepared after these are red. I'm going to ask the Aspar as a family that are represented

[19:21] tonight and deeply connected to our Hispanic and Latino community to receive the original

[19:27] proclamations and if they can, please keep them and share them with the larger community

[19:33] that now and this is the best way I can put it, that there are few if not any Hispanic

[19:41] Latino celebrations going on.

[19:43] I first met Millie's grandfather up at the high school for the student Hispanic celebration.

[19:49] He had his beautiful artwork there, right now because of fear and some despair, public

[19:57] events are no longer possible for many of them.

[20:00] Local Latino Latino Community, because of the general fear. And so on that note, I'm going to read the proclamation of the city of

[20:10] Palzbo in English, and then I'll be assisted by Ms. Veleds, who is our interpreter and Spanish linguist for the city of Palzbo, and its police department, reading the same in Spanish.

[20:26] Proclamation, whereas within the City of Paul's bow, about 15% of our residents and neighbors

[20:34] identify as having Hispanic and Latin roots, making our town one of the highest concentration

[20:40] areas pro-rata on the peninsula and whereas Hispanic and Latin people represent a vibrant

[20:48] and flourishing part of the diverse growing community that has been instrumental to the developmental

[20:55] of Washington since the Spanish exploration of the Olympic Peninsula, their histories and cultures,

[21:02] stretch across centuries, and the contributions of those who are from and come to our shores

[21:08] today in search of their dreams continue to add new chapters in our state's history.

[21:14] And whereas Hispanic and Latino people serve honorably in our armed forces through dedication

[21:21] and sacrifice, defending the values we hold dear and increased entrepreneurial spirit driving

[21:28] economic growth.

[21:31] Transform industries and agriculture, I might add, with creativity and resilience to produce

[21:38] a thriving economy, our elected officials, public servants, essential workers, agricultural

[21:45] workers, teachers and leaders, and of lead and inspired movements that have made our state

[21:51] more equal and more just, and whereas many Latin Americans trace their roots to the rich

[21:59] tapestry of cultures and histories of the indigenous peoples of the Americas, including

[22:05] the Arlox, Aztecs, Inkins, Mayans, and Teneanos.

[22:10] Others trace their roots to the Spanish, or to the Africans who were enslaved in

[22:15] our country, and whereas in observance of national Hispanic heritage month, we pay tribute

[22:22] to the rich heritage of the Hispanic and Latin community with appropriate ceremonies,

[22:29] activities, and programs in celebrate, and we'll celebrate again its countless achievements.

[22:35] I therefore, Edward Stern, Mayor of the City of Palsville, Washington, do hereby proclaim

[22:41] September 15th, throughout October 15th, 2026 as a Hispanic heritage month in the City of

[22:49] Paul's bow and encourage all citizens to join me in recognizing this important initiative,

[22:56] dated the 2nd day of September 2026 and now if I could call on Ms. Valez to assist me in the

[23:03] reading of the proclamation and Spanish. Thank you, Ms. Valez, for being here.

[23:09] Yes, thank you so much, Mayor Sirm.

[23:13] Proclamation, considering that within the city of Podsville,

[23:18] approximately 15% of our residents and neighbors,

[23:23] they identify as the king of Spain and Latin,

[23:27] what they convey to our city in one of the areas

[23:30] with greater concentration proportional in the peninsula.

[23:33] and considering that the Spanish and Latin people represent a different and

[23:40] fluorescent part of our diverse community and growth.

[23:45] And it has been fundamental for Washington's development,

[23:48] from the Spanish exploration of the Olympic Peninsula,

[23:52] its history and culture are re-mountain to the islands.

[23:56] And the ports of China are from here,

[23:58] and from here they come to our coasts.

[24:04] In search of its dreams,

[24:06] continuing to write new chapters in the history of our state.

[24:12] And considering that the people and fans and Latinas,

[24:17] serve honorably in our armed forces and

[24:21] mediante their dedication and sacrifice

[24:23] defying the values that we appreciate.

[24:27] Consecreted spirit, entrepreneur,

[24:30] impulsing economic growth,

[24:32] transform industries with creativity and resilience to generate a

[24:38] economic and prosperity, or keep elected cargo and be

[24:42] independent of public services, essential workers, workers,

[24:48] agricultural workers, 200 and leaders, and in the head inspired

[24:53] movements that have done our state a more positive and more

[24:59] Thank you.

[25:00] Y considerando que muchos latinoamericanos remontan sus raíces, al rico entramado de culturas e historias de los pueblos indígenas de las Américas, incluidos los Arawacos, Aztecas, Incas, Mayas y Taínos.

[25:19] Otros remontan sus raíces a los españoles o a los pueblos africanos que fueron esclavizados

[25:26] y que construyeron nuestro país y considerando que, con motivo del mes nacional de la herencia

[25:33] espana, rendimos o menaje, al rico legado de la comunidad espana y latina mediante ceremonias,

[25:42] actividades y programas apropiados y celebramos dos innomerables logros.

[25:49] Por tanto, Joe Error Storm, al calde de la ciudad de Polto Washington, por la presente

[25:56] proclamo, el periodo del 15 de septiembre al 15 de octubre de 2016 como el mes de la herencia

[26:04] espana. En la ciudad de Polto y exhortó a todos los ciudadanos a que se unen a mí para

[26:10] conocer esta importancia, importante iniciativa, dado a los dos días del mes de septiembre

[26:18] de 2026.

[26:22] Muy bien, gracias por su visión, Patti Villas.

[26:26] We appreciate this, very much, and now if I could, I'd like to call the Asparza family to

[26:31] join me at the podium if they would.

[26:47] I'd like to present Mili Asparza, now newly married and expecting, and her grandfather Robert,

[26:54] Y, el primer mes de Mille a un marcho,

[26:57] es que no había que ser la estrecha de la que era un poco de la primera vez.

[27:00] En este momento, que era de la marcha de la northquence de la República O確,

[27:03] para que hubiese sido el riesgo de el mundo,

[27:05] a ideas, concerns y cuestiones de la latino y la latino de la latino de la latino de la latino de la latino de la latino de la latina de la latino de la latino de la latino,

[27:13] y que ha terminado el que nos ha vuelado por un rejército de la cadena de la muerte de la unidad de el mundo de la escuelo,

[27:17] que ha vuelado por un pernevo especial,

[27:19] para que se puede ver todo eso, puede ver el que se puede ver.

[27:23] De hecho, la

[27:53] Esa cosa se contesta.

[27:55] Milley.

[27:56] Y así es muy eloquento de

[27:59] que necesitan

[28:00] reconocer la agricultura

[28:02] de la comunidad,

[28:03] en el caso de la latino de la comunidad,

[28:06] es importante

[28:07] en la economía en

[28:08] cómo la industria

[28:09] necesita poder

[28:10] en la industria.

[28:12] Y lo que lo ha habido

[28:13] es la contesta,

[28:15] y le presenta

[28:16] en la Constitución

[28:17] en la Washington Contesta.

[28:19] We were so proud.

[28:20] Entonces, en eso, en que no,

[28:22] yo creo que el número 1

[28:24] presenta

[28:24] las 2 proclamaciones

[28:26] en Spanish

[28:28] y en otro,

[28:30] Robert,

[28:30] si se

[28:31] puede ser así que

[28:32] se ha recibido en English,

[28:34] y si se

[28:34] puede ser que se

[28:35] conviene

[28:36] los city de Cícones,

[28:38] de Cícones,

[28:38] de la comunidad de la de

[28:40] la de la y de la

[28:41] de la familia

[28:42] y de

[28:42] la de

[28:42] la y de

[28:43] de

[28:43] la de

[28:44] y de

[28:44] la y de

[28:44] de la

[28:44] y de la

[28:45] y de la

[28:46] y de la

[28:47] y de la

[28:48] y de la

[28:50] en public speaking, Milly.

[28:51] So, this is another chance to compete.

[28:54] So, just pay, Milly, a few words.

[28:56] Thank you, Mr. Maran.

[28:57] Thank you, Council, for allowing my grandfather

[29:01] and I to accept this proclurator.

[29:04] Population this evening.

[29:06] Celebrating diversity and cultural is crucial

[29:10] for moving forward progressively in our society today.

[29:14] As mentioned, about 15% of polls goes population

[29:18] es comprise de la espana de la comunidad y el 15% es un poco de nombre.

[29:24] Así que, en la presencia de la proclamación, que crees de la espana de la espana de la comunidad y de la espana de la espana de los nombres,

[29:31] que es una vez más que más que más.

[29:33] Es un personal anecdote que me suspecta en mi first-child en December

[29:38] y que no es que yo voy a llamar la espana de la comunidad que es excepción

[29:44] y me encourage un cultural de la ciudad que se ha dicho mucho.

[29:48] La ciudad de Pulseville, se ha movido en la ciudad de Pulseville,

[29:51] y me he ido en las mares.

[29:53] Me he ido en la zona de Pulseville,

[29:54] y me encourage un cultural de la ciudad de Pulseville.

[29:58] Para las acciones, como esto.

[30:00] The first step to creating safe communities, especially for a time where safety may not feel so prevalent

[30:08] in today's culture.

[30:11] So I thank you, Mr. Mayor, and Council, for this proclamation and continuing to take steps

[30:17] Thank

[30:22] you

[31:05] very much.

[31:05] that. The City Council and your community appreciate that. Thank you ever so much. That was

[31:10] under Mayor's report and council comments. So let's get on in fact with council comments

[31:14] and I'll call on on my far left deputy mayor, Brett lived all. Good evening, Brett. Good evening.

[31:21] Just a general reminder for those watching. I do want to mention that as far as parking goes,

[31:29] 65% of parking downtown is still free, so there are still many free options.

[31:37] They are in forced time limits, and if you have a handicap placard, you are exempt from time

[31:43] limits and payment, so I just want to make that little public service announcement, and

[31:51] then moving on, just wishing the kids in the North kids up school district to have a first

[31:57] And to remind everyone to please be careful out on the roads, watch for those kids, the buses, just be safe.

[32:08] Thanks.

[32:10] Thank you, Britt.

[32:10] Councilman Eckert.

[32:13] Yeah, just thanks for our speakers and our guests.

[32:17] And yeah, I asked you to sign every time they're here about what kind of support they're providing to our military community.

[32:27] As a junior sailor with a family who was on WIC, I understand it, trust me.

[32:33] It's not new.

[32:35] I'm a military's, but in the situation for us, almost I remember.

[32:38] So it's just, people don't know about it.

[32:41] So it's prevalent, it's there, if you are a single income military member, yeah, you probably

[32:48] are getting some kind of sport.

[32:50] So, Sarah, I will point out, and this is just a...

[32:55] It's a throwing it out right now for the vice or the rostrum, so staff hasn't had a chance to think about it, but we were declared by Mayor Erickson on November 7th of 2022 as a purple heart city.

[33:11] We don't have any placards, parking placards are otherwise as a purple heart city.

[33:16] So, that could be something we've worked into our parking program with destinations for

[33:23] a purple heart recipients, or maybe even veterans as a grader, but certainly a place

[33:29] or two in Anderson for anyone who's received a purple heart that they part for free.

[33:35] There's something to think about, but obviously it doesn't help the whole military community,

[33:40] but since we did adopt that almost four years ago now, we probably should have

[33:46] something around the city for that. So, I forgot it was true. We did that quite honestly but

[33:53] I've looked it up before and because I was going to ask that we do it and then we already did.

[33:58] So anyway, that's my remarks. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. Councilwoman Crow.

[34:06] Thank you for your comments and I also appreciate the voting placard from the sense of Norway.

[34:11] I think that's a lovely gift.

[34:15] I do feel need to work on writing some of the pain points and challenges with a paid parking.

[34:23] And thank you for the reminder that there is a large percentage of parking that's still

[34:26] free.

[34:27] The purple heart, you know, suggestion is great and it would also be wonderful if there was

[34:32] some considerations to our senior population that maybe they do not have a handicap

[34:37] So I think there's still some work to do to make the experience enjoyable rather than a pain point.

[34:47] So thank you for your comment.

[34:48] I did want to share something that's coming up as soon as tomorrow

[34:52] And just this is just something that's being done in partnership with the Olympic College

[34:57] Olympic College is offering some...

[35:00] Learning opportunities or information sessions for something called learning for all to speak to the interest of on-demand jobs in our region.

[35:12] So, Olympic colleges have been partnered with kids at regional library locations, and they will be at the possible library tomorrow from four to six.

[35:20] is drop in, and if those who can see the information flyer that is being displayed, it does

[35:28] focus on business manufacturing trades and other on-demand jobs that both can engage in

[35:37] their educational pathway and complete their education that speaks to those various needs

[35:44] in our community.

[35:45] So, the, also, the, thank you, Rianne, and the second thing I wanted to highlight is there is going to be a program called Reflecting on the First Amendment, which is part of the America 250 celebration that's happening.

[36:01] That will be at the Pulseville Library on Saturday, September 19, with panel discussion and facilitated by our very own Council Member Fitzpatrick.

[36:12] So that is just letting folks know that that is a moment that we want to lean into America

[36:18] to 50 and have that space to connect and have panel discussion from representatives in the community.

[36:28] And for example, one of our panelists is a newly new citizen.

[36:33] She got her citizenship, so she'll be speaking to that.

[36:36] And I believe we have a judge, and so we have a pre-robust panel with Michael facilitating

[36:45] the discussion. So, I want to share that, and that's it. Thank you.

[36:51] Thank you for all your hard work. Also, manager of the Pulse Bowl Library,

[36:56] and putting together also a program will be learning about later in the fall, but I'll save that

[37:02] to share at the right moment. Michael Fitzpatrick, our newest, not our newest city council member, I'll

[37:09] reserve that for Dr. Layton Thomas in a moment. Michael, anything to share with us tonight.

[37:14] Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to say thanks for honoring Hispanic Heritage Month and such

[37:19] a thoughtful way. And I wanted to say thanks to our community for your public comments about your

[37:26] experiences with the new parking program we do hear you. Speaking of parking, I wanted to

[37:32] just quickly think the city for publishing a very helpful parking info guide this week.

[37:40] That was a collaboration I think of the city administrator in planning and police and also the

[37:46] downtown business district. Their city task force being in close communication with you. It's

[37:51] really nicely done, it's very helpful and I hope people will download that, share that with folks

[37:57] and help everyone understand the rules of the new program. And if you don't know what I'm talking

[38:02] about, you can find it on the city's parking info website page. I also wanted to mention that

[38:10] Councillor Thomas and I joined the Polesbo Police Department's Marine Unit with Officer Tim

[38:15] to have a tour of Liberty Bay, and its enforcement needs, so we got to get a up close and personal understanding of why we talk so much about derelict vessels, about the need for a pump out program, what illegal occupation of a band and vessels looks like, and just the overall needs of what it takes to keep something as beautiful as Liberty Bay up to standard.

[38:43] So I really think the police department for that opportunity.

[38:47] And lastly, I just want to put a couple of upcoming events on everyone's horizon.

[38:53] So the Senior Center has reopened and it's refurbished and the seniors will be celebrating

[39:00] that with a ribbon cutting on September 23rd at 4 p.m. down on front street.

[39:06] So if you want to come and see the new building and just celebrate reinvigorated North

[39:12] It's have Senior Center, please join us for that.

[39:16] And then lastly, kind of,

[39:18] dovetailing with Pam's first amendment of enter the library.

[39:23] In October, I will be leading a discussion on the Constitution.

[39:29] This is in cooperation with our Parks and Recreation Department,

[39:33] and the local Pulsebo library.

[39:36] And it's kind of a culmination of a few things that we've been working on,

[39:40] So in July, I let a discussion on the Declaration of Independence.

[39:44] We just had a couple of discussions on other American founding documents here in August.

[39:50] And we've sort of been building to an opportunity to have a five-week long conversation

[39:55] working through the different parts of the Constitution together.

[39:59] So if that interests me, it's just a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little

[40:00] Just you or people that you know that will start on Thursday, October 8th at 530 p.m. in the large community room of the Pulsevo library.

[40:09] And it's really important that you sign up through the Parks and Rec website on their catalog, not just because they appreciate that, although they do.

[40:19] But also because there will be homework for this reading beforehand. And the only way you'll know that is if you're on the registration.

[40:28] And then lastly, I just want to thank Pam for all of your help in making this stuff happen.

[40:33] You've been a really great community partner.

[40:36] So thank you.

[40:38] Thank you, Councilman Fitzpatrick.

[40:40] And to my right, the newly returned.

[40:43] Can I refer to as Captain Newell tonight?

[40:48] But no remarks to share.

[40:49] Captain Newell passes.

[40:51] And so now I can properly recognize our true newest city council member, Dr.

[41:00] Thank you, Mayor and Council Member Fuspatrick. You are now old news.

[41:07] Yes, I want to echo gratitude to the police department for allowing us to do the

[41:12] boat along.

[41:16] It's a great opportunity to be able to see behind the scenes and see along

[41:20] alongside with all of our city staff and the work that they do for our community and

[41:25] to understand the complexity of our challenges.

[41:28] So thank you for that.

[41:30] And I appreciate that photos weren't shared of my hair

[41:34] or the wind on the boat.

[41:35] So thank you, Michael.

[41:36] That was kind of you.

[41:39] I had an opportunity to spend some time

[41:41] downtown over the last two weeks talking to some of our business

[41:44] owners and community members about parking.

[41:48] And they were able to share some additional details

[41:50] about some of the challenges that they're seeing

[41:53] and how they're helping particularly our senior community navigate some of these challenges,

[42:00] how younger employees are stepping up and sometimes leaving the business to come out onto

[42:05] the sidewalk or go out into the parking lot to help individuals get their parking secured

[42:11] or stopping and helping them extend their parking and understanding those details was really helpful.

[42:16] and I just want to continue to request that as you, as you, we all navigate this program that

[42:26] you do share those specific stories because it is helpful for us to understand the specifics

[42:31] behind the challenge beyond just, we hate this parking program or parking, this parking

[42:36] program is great. Martin tonight shared some really helpful specifics for things to think

[42:42] about when it gets dark and when it rains and how those signs may be usable or not.

[42:46] So thank you for sharing the details and sharing them respectfully and giving us the feedback

[42:54] and I encourage people to continue to do that as they are experiencing things so that

[42:59] we can better understand what it is like for different individuals.

[43:03] So thank you.

[43:04] That was a bit long, but that is all I have tonight.

[43:06] Thank you.

[43:07] Thank you, Layton, Councilman Doug Taver, Doug, you're showing up and anchoring this ship

[43:13] estate.

[43:13] Thank you, Mayor.

[43:16] I appreciate your proclamations and to our community and I appreciate the community for coming out and making public comment.

[43:24] It's not always easy to come stand at the podium and voice your concerns.

[43:29] So I always appreciate that.

[43:31] Instead of just the route, the easier route isn't always better on social media.

[43:36] So I really appreciate our community members for sending us emails and coming and speaking publicly.

[43:43] And I definitely hear the concerns about affordability as I've spoken to at length, so I'll skip those for now.

[43:52] And I highly recommend going to the Paul's Bo website and just the home landing page has a great kind of a dropdown of different updates and things going on in the community.

[44:02] So it's pretty cool stuff going on in the community.

[44:05] That's all for me.

[44:06] Thank you, Doug.

[44:08] That makes it my turn under the mayor's comments portion.

[44:12] The first side of my have is pretty mundane and then the second is a lot more serious.

[44:17] The mundane one is I want to call to the Council's attention that the Association of

[44:23] Washington City's will be running its district meeting this year.

[44:27] District 12 on the peninsula's will be in squim.

[44:31] On October 16th, I believe that's a Friday.

[44:36] But I'll talk over the 16th, 11 30 AM to 130 PM.

[44:42] It's being hosted by the mayor of Port Townsend, a colleague, gave me Howard.

[44:47] And that is something that we should endeavor to attend, perhaps with the exception of Brett,

[44:53] who has great expectations.

[44:55] But the rest of us should be able to schedule that.

[44:58] And if we can pull that to-

[45:00] The other, perhaps, we can give notice to our city clerk. I will note that that morning at 10am and

[45:06] these chambers are Peninsula Regional Transportation Planning Organization. That now, late in

[45:13] Thomas, will be representing the city on, and I thank you for that. That is the five Western

[45:19] counties, the federal transportation distribution of money. The Puget Sound Regional Council,

[45:28] which is a much larger version of the same, excuse me, has status to distribute the money directly

[45:36] from the federal government to the four counties in 80 cities.

[45:41] We're the only area in the state that belongs to both a rural transportation planning and

[45:47] a urban transportation planning.

[45:50] And really what it boils down to is the distribution of federal dollars.

[45:54] that PSRC is direct distribution and the peninsula regional transportation planning organization

[46:01] has to pass those monies through Olympia, but the board on which Layton will now be serving

[46:07] and will be meeting here that same October 16th at 10 a.m., we'll have representatives

[46:14] from that entire large swath of Western Washington.

[46:18] So thank you for that Layton, and continuing to serve along with Michael Bateman from our

[46:23] engineering staff. So please again note and I will be attending the AWC and I hope to

[46:30] be joined by my colleagues on council October 16th we can carpool and we can get to

[46:36] squim and we would be back by mid afternoon. So that's my number one remark on a

[46:43] much more serious vein and I'm going to go through this slowly. We're on the verge of

[46:53] preparation of their individual department budgets,

[46:57] working with Debbie and Rob,

[46:59] and that will soon reach council.

[47:02] At the last council meeting, and I know that I was asked

[47:06] by you in light of the rather rocky rollout of the paid

[47:12] parking program, both the City of Administrator and I were

[47:17] tasked with what could we do to do better communication

[47:21] with the public, and I took that to heart, and what would be that communication to the city

[47:29] and to the public in that regard. And as we enter our budget preparation for the two-year period,

[47:36] 2027 and 2028, all that boils down to, of course, revenues and expenditures, not only for this city,

[47:45] all the cities, the county, etc. One, one remark I'll make already leading to this. There

[47:53] already was a bit of an extraordinary meeting last week. The four mayors, Port Orchard,

[47:58] Bainbridge, Island, Palzbo, and Bremerton, of their own, got together. I included and asked

[48:06] to sit down formally with the county commission in their study workshop with a number

[48:11] their department heads. The county right now is anticipating and planning and looking at an additional

[48:18] one-tenth of percent increase in the sales tax, county and cities wide for public safety

[48:26] as allowed by the state legislature. We had some questions, if not concerns, and we had a very

[48:33] polite session in that regard. Again, that's backdrop against an ongoing and rather painful

[48:42] inflation that we heard about tonight expressed by some of the folks at the podium that

[48:48] the everyday cost of living and feeling like things are getting a bit difficult if not despairing

[48:56] folks out there with the way the economy is going. I want to repeat, folks feel the pain

[49:04] of the economy. As a mayor, I'm going to look back and I do look back over the last five

[49:12] years. We, the city, for our residents, have played a role in that scenario. It isn't just

[49:21] the county, the four mayors went to inquire of the county commissioners' what are they thinking

[49:26] of doing as far as revenue increases, what does it mean?

[49:30] But we ourselves as a city have played a not-in-substantial role for our residents.

[49:36] Separate from our utility rates, and we are currently on the verge of privatizing our

[49:42] garbage, referred to as solid waste, because the rate for that was the highest in the

[49:48] county and among the cities in order to try to reduce that privatizing.

[49:52] So I want to acknowledge that. A lot of work has gone into that. Our sewer rates are not cheap, but they're tied in.

[50:00] Entirely to the county, because we're tied into the Brownsville plant. And whereas we have a say, we do not have a vote. And that has passed through to our citizens. I want to say that we have ourselves raised a sales tax of one tenth of a percent of few years back for low income housing and services. Certainly a worthwhile activity.

[50:23] We have applied a car licensing fee on licensing tabs in order to better address neighborhood

[50:31] streets and safety on those and around them.

[50:36] We have implemented red light and speeding cameras over the course of the last year or two.

[50:43] We have implemented for the first time in the city's history of business and occupation

[50:48] tax, the so-called B and O tax, on gross receipts of our local companies, businesses, and

[50:56] mom and pop shops.

[50:59] And now, of course, as we heard tonight, and was addressed here at the Dias, paid parking.

[51:04] In addition to enforcement, we have the paid parking program and the citations that are

[51:18] year in the second half what those numbers might look like.

[51:25] I won't belabor because my Councilman colleague, Mr. Fitzbracock, noted last week, my

[51:32] opposition to the paid parking, but as your chief executive, I am responsible for carrying

[51:37] out the duly enacted policies along with City Administrator Gelder, and we have done so.

[51:45] All of this, and all of these programs I just outlined, each have a very good purpose.

[51:53] I want to make that clear.

[51:54] And all of them are against a backdrop faced by this city and county that in 1999,

[52:02] and at the will of the voters, affirmed by the legislature, we were required to drop our property tax,

[52:11] which was the main leg of funding government from a maximum of 6% to an imposed limit of 1%

[52:19] and whoever is listening tonight or watching, I want to ask yourselves, what has remained

[52:26] at 1%. The last 20, 30 years. Nothing. And so we do find ourselves in a bind in government, legitimate.

[52:38] that. This is not just the throttling I'm trying to administer. I'm trying to look at this

[52:43] balanced and set of tone for our budget work over the coming three months. All of these

[52:50] were done for good reasons. Housing for the hard press. Who could argue with that?

[52:57] Counseling for the unsettled, I'll call it. Street repair in the neighborhoods that had gone over

[53:04] 100 years with nothing done, no program from the city, for neighborhood streets.

[53:13] The business and occupation tax was critical to enlarging our police force, to hiring

[53:19] our city administrator, and that was in addition to cutting the mayor salary by 2-3rds,

[53:26] which I willingly urged, but we instituted a business and occupation tax.

[53:34] Again, keep in mind, and I'm trying to be fair about this, government since 1999 has been

[53:41] limited to, by law, no more than a 1% increase, and nothing is running at 1%.

[53:49] I get it, I have sat on council, it makes sense individually to have made the decisions

[53:56] when I'm asking you the council tonight, consider the totality of just the last five years

[54:02] of revenue increases, we have passed.

[54:05] That's something we don't ordinarily do.

[54:08] We take them one at a time.

[54:10] Yet when we do a budget, we look at every department,

[54:13] every line item, every enterprise,

[54:16] and make decisions based on the whole.

[54:18] We often, as we approve, revenue increases,

[54:22] haven't afforded ourselves that same luxury.

[54:26] We have budgeted these on our residents,

[54:29] And my concern is the paid parking is perhaps the least of the cost, but the most painful because it's the most obvious and the last administered and the last administered in this difficult economic environment for most folks due to the cost of living.

[54:52] The resentment and consternation is real. I don't need to share that with the council.

[54:57] It does threaten the small town truck.

[55:00] We enjoy, reputationally. Yet it's done for another good cause, and that was to raise revenue for the downtown, to be spent on the downtown, to further increase parking options. I get that.

[55:18] But I'm asking you tonight to consider the totality of the increases that we have passed.

[55:23] And like the old comic strip Pogo had it, sometimes we have met the enemy and it is us.

[55:31] It is us, just like the affordable housing workshop, our planning department led us in

[55:36] where we looked at not only the external but the internal that's led to increasing housing

[55:42] prices.

[55:44] In light of the analysis, I as mayor am asking the council to consider the following.

[55:51] That the business and occupation tax threshold for reporting to our small businesses be raised

[56:00] to a quarter million dollar exemption threshold from the current $125,000.

[56:07] That we share in our small businesses, they're well-being.

[56:14] This is especially important in my mind for those businesses in the downtown right now that

[56:19] face with the uncertainty of the paid parking and the impact. We hope it will go well, but we

[56:25] can co-participate. I am asking that that be given serious consideration by the City Council.

[56:33] Number two, as far as our transportation benefit district, and this is painful for me, as I was

[56:39] what the prime author of the Neighborhood Streets Program over the last 20 years. We've been considering

[56:44] over the course of the last year, increasing a second $20 increment of license tab for the very worthy cause of repairing our neighborhood streets where our residents live.

[56:57] I don't think this is the right time. I ask that the consideration of the raise of the licensing tabs for an additional $20 be deferred at this time.

[57:11] Finally, the paid parking.

[57:15] The City of Administrator and I have talked about it and there's going to be many tweaks

[57:18] made.

[57:19] We've heard some suggestions and certainly there'll be responses, but largely, largely, we

[57:26] are asking that the evaluation of the program now that we've implemented faithfully, the

[57:32] Council's directive, the delay till wait, late winter, or early spring that we're dealing

[57:38] with the totality of suggestions, improvements, modifications, that we stop trying to build

[57:45] this airplane while flying it.

[57:47] It is an undue tax on the time and resources of staff.

[57:52] The council asks for this.

[57:54] Most of the details you voted on individually and unusually on my task.

[57:58] Most of the time policies at a high level, the decision to make the parking at $3 an hour

[58:05] for the prime season and $1 for the off season was a decision of the council.

[58:10] The decision that citation should be at $60 and not $30 or other options.

[58:16] Council actually got into the minutia on this.

[58:19] And I feel that you're going to want to continue to be involved in the minutia, but

[58:23] there's only so much processing staff can do.

[58:26] The major item certainly will be addressed.

[58:29] But we are asking that you keep tabs or turn in your suggestions and that

[58:35] late winter early spring will be the time for an evaluation.

[58:38] And I'm going to hang on to mine, but I'm going to share right now that my original

[58:43] proposal over the course of the last four years, starting with the Parking Committee, Council

[58:48] Women Live Doll will recall very well, was that we have one hour free for everybody.

[58:56] You log in, or you park on the street as the case may be, but the first hour is free.

[59:01] That's going to be the first slip I put in that file.

[59:04] for next spring, because that's something that has a simplicity and easily understood by visitors and residents alike.

[59:12] You can come to downtown Pulseville Park anywhere and park the first hour for free depending if you're on the street, a time zone,

[59:20] if you're in Anderson Parkway, a paid zone.

[59:24] Finally, that we as a council and mayor share in the difficult times economically,

[59:29] our residents and neighbors are experiencing, that we share that burden, that we have all done

[59:36] well, we mean well, there's no argument about that, but as we enter into the coming budget

[59:43] session with an outcome of a budget by the end of December that I ask the Council to seriously

[59:49] consider those proposals and I conclude by saying thank you for hearing me out. I'm trying

[59:55] set the tone for the coming budget season and

[1:00:00] I think I'll just let it go on that note at that point. We're moving on in the agenda. It's board commission and outside agency reports, and I'll start again with Councilwoman Livedault to my bar left.

[1:00:15] Nothing to report. Mr. Eckert.

[1:00:18] I don't, but I'm going to add to your asks that we don't continue to use Council comments or Mayor comments to continue to litigate this policy. That's already been voted on an implemented.

[1:00:30] It may have your positions well now, it's been well known for two years, but we made a decision

[1:00:38] we voted it's moving forward.

[1:00:41] This, I mean, are we all going to get 15 minutes to talk about where we stand on the budget

[1:00:46] and policy we've already voted on?

[1:00:48] I don't think that's fair to any of us.

[1:00:50] It's not fair to the public, it's not fair to the staff.

[1:00:53] That decision's been made.

[1:00:55] We've all agreed that we're going to, we will let it be implemented and we'll re-evaluate

[1:01:00] but to keep bringing it up, it's not fair.

[1:01:05] We got to give this time to work out through what?

[1:01:07] Three weeks,

[1:01:10] and I'm going to be blunt here.

[1:01:12] And if you may not like it, it'll be blunt.

[1:01:14] The average time when this council is two and a half years.

[1:01:18] I think it's 2.7 years at this point.

[1:01:20] The only reason why that high is brick.

[1:01:23] That's six.

[1:01:25] So a lot of the decisions you just pointed out weren't made by any of us.

[1:01:29] The only person on this diet that made those decisions is you.

[1:01:35] So, yeah, we need to talk about it, but that was a budget conversation.

[1:01:39] That's not a council.

[1:01:40] That's not a comment on where we can't talk back.

[1:01:43] That wasn't fair.

[1:01:48] I respect your opinion, Mr. Eckert is I hope you respect mine.

[1:01:52] Councilwoman Crow, any outside board agency or commissions, nothing to report, Mr. Fitzpatrick.

[1:01:59] Mr. Null, I know you've been gone, probably not much to report, and latent anything to

[1:02:05] report.

[1:02:06] And Doug Taver, I have a somewhat unofficial meeting of the Art Committee's update.

[1:02:15] We met before Council and just put our heads together to get a timeline where we'll have

[1:02:20] three meetings in the next two quarters to be able to provide some updates and some exciting

[1:02:26] anything's coming to Council from Jeff and to our committee.

[1:02:33] That's it?

[1:02:34] I think I'm going to forgo any other board commission.

[1:02:37] I did talk about and I ask you to note the four mayors met with the county commissioners last week on the question of their consideration of a one tenth of a percent increase in sales tax for public safety.

[1:02:48] So I'm going to turn to city administrator Rob Gelder and the other department heads.

[1:02:52] Good evening, Rob.

[1:02:53] Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members and community members, just wanted to just start off by just

[1:03:00] Reconfirming for council as well as our community members that listening and understanding has been a key tenant for your staff in trying to understand the concerns the issues

[1:03:14] And we have made every effort to make sure that we could incorporate that into how we adapted the program as we rolled it out, whether it was enforcement and or pay parking.

[1:03:27] We have in partnership and Council Member Fitzpatrick mentioned this.

[1:03:32] We have updated our infographics.

[1:03:33] The difficult part of communicating a program is when the details are continued to be

[1:03:40] influx, but finally with the implementation of paid parking, we actually got to a level

[1:03:46] set point that we could define and be able to effectively communicate to the community

[1:03:51] and our visitors what that program is.

[1:03:55] So we will continue to develop tools for communicating and reaching out to folks, but that is

[1:04:01] underway and you can find that resource on our website, we will be actually partnering with the

[1:04:07] downtown business owners as well to get more of that information out.

[1:04:13] So let's see, one of the

[1:04:16] comments that I just wanted to assure the community about as well as Council, the concern about

[1:04:23] getting to a certain point closer to the end of the paid parking time or the time in between

[1:04:31] between 6 p.m. and 10 a.m. One of the things we did definitely work with our vendor

[1:04:36] park mobile on was to make sure that the programming was in place that you would get notifications

[1:04:42] now. So it is shut down when it's not, when payments are not being made. So as opposed to when

[1:04:50] someone would scan the code and go through the process of entering everything to get the message

[1:04:55] that they didn't need to pay, that was a waste of people's time, so we wanted to make sure.

[1:05:00] It was shut down at the very beginning. So those, we will continue to, as we listen, and we hear the concerns,

[1:05:06] we will continue to adapt and try to move the program forward. Other thing, we've had a very busy

[1:05:16] couple of weeks. If you've had a chance to walk around town, drive around town, or try to park. It

[1:05:24] has been busy, and I just wanted to let you know that in the first two weeks of a part

[1:05:30] mole being in place, there were 8777 parking sessions initiated. So that means that those

[1:05:42] two lots have been extremely busy over the past couple of weeks. So successful transactions

[1:05:48] for those those parking sessions and then lastly just so you know tomorrow will be the annual employee

[1:05:56] barbecue over at public works so the counters will be closed between 11 and 1. If you were planning

[1:06:04] on attending hopefully you've had a chance to let Rien and No so if we needed to we can notice

[1:06:11] for forum. It is a Western theme. You're encouraged to come in Western

[1:06:15] Garb and they're at about 1230. We'll be some instructions online

[1:06:19] dancing. So if you're feeling the mood, stop on by. So thank you very much.

[1:06:25] Hey, Rob, just to the part moment was definitely updated that I got on the app and

[1:06:29] just tried to set up the zoom. So I would be ready outside. And as soon as I

[1:06:34] put in the zip code, it was like, nope, you can't do it.

[1:06:37] Councilman, I thought we weren't talking about parking.

[1:06:40] I don't know what that is.

[1:06:42] Just trying to honor both ways,

[1:06:47] sir.

[1:06:48] Good evening.

[1:06:49] Finance director, Debbie Burr.

[1:06:51] Welcome to the council.

[1:06:52] Thank you.

[1:06:53] I'd like to get everybody up to date where we're at on our software search.

[1:06:57] We have made a decision and we're working with our consultant to contact the vendors and start contact negotiation.

[1:07:03] And that contact negotiation will probably take between two and four months.

[1:07:07] So I will keep you posted as we keep moving forward.

[1:07:09] but we're excited to keep jumping over every hurdle.

[1:07:12] So thank you.

[1:07:14] Thank you, Debbie.

[1:07:16] And our health housing and human services director Kim Hendrickson.

[1:07:20] Thank you, Mayor.

[1:07:20] Good evening.

[1:07:21] Good evening, Council.

[1:07:23] I think one of my most important responsibilities is housing health and human services director is figuring out how to bring more behavioral health services to North Kitsap County.

[1:07:32] It's very difficult for many of our residents to travel all the way to Bramerton or Port Orchard to get the services that they need.

[1:07:39] So, one of my chief objectives have always been to try to get more services available, especially mental health services here in Pulseville.

[1:07:48] Several years ago, a company from California called AMFN Health Care Services announced their intent to come to this part of Kitsep County.

[1:08:00] I got to know their founder, I'm sorry, their executive director, a woman in Angelina Francis who's there in the front of this picture.

[1:08:07] back in 2002, when we needed a mental health professional to put, excuse me, to partner with

[1:08:14] the Pulsevo Fire Care Steam. I had a very difficult time finding an agency that would

[1:08:19] help. AMFM under the leadership of Angelina Francis stepped up to be a partner and helped

[1:08:24] me staff that Pulsevo Care Steam when it was part of the city's initiative. When we opened

[1:08:29] the Recovery Resource Center, and I was looking for somebody to help teach anger management

[1:08:35] classes and help with vocational assistance to our members.

[1:08:39] Once again, AMFM Healthcare stepped up, thought creatively with me, and we were able to

[1:08:45] to staff our center with somebody that's still there now that's able to help with job readiness

[1:08:49] with anger management classes.

[1:08:52] I'm happy to announce that AMFM has just opened a residential treatment facility here in

[1:08:57] Pulsebow.

[1:08:58] It's called the Viking House.

[1:09:00] At the moment, it's six beds and I went to tour it a couple of days ago and it's absolutely

[1:09:04] beautiful. So the fact that we have mental health residential treatment right here in

[1:09:09] Pulseville with a partner to age three that's proven themselves to be very

[1:09:13] interested in adding to the community makes me very happy and I just like to

[1:09:16] publicly congratulate AMFM for their grand opening.

[1:09:24] And then on a personal note

[1:09:25] after working for the city for 10 years I moved Pulseville today and I'm so happy to

[1:09:29] be here. Thank you.

[1:09:35] Thank you. Thank you, Kim and May I wish to

[1:09:38] Vail Coleman to Paul's Poe, yeah?

[1:09:41] All right, very good.

[1:09:42] Our Parks Director, Jeff Osmick, good evening, Jeff.

[1:09:46] All right, good evening, Mayor, good evening, council,

[1:09:48] good evening, community members.

[1:09:50] Kim had a photo, so I had to show this.

[1:09:52] This is our great public works crew.

[1:09:54] They have taken down the aging sign,

[1:09:56] and no one really understood where

[1:09:57] the Parks and Rec department was,

[1:09:59] or the community center.

[1:10:00] This is just one of two signs. People get lost if they don't go through the right entrance. They've done a phenomenal job. Just another shout out to Josh Jones and the entire public works crew. You'll see him up there. They're doing such a good job.

[1:10:13] So thank you, PW. Let me take that off of here. Can you help? I'm not a good multi tasker.

[1:10:19] OK, a couple of things, let's talk about grants.

[1:10:21] So we have put in the Aquatic Lands Enhancement Act

[1:10:24] for half million dollars for the boardwalk.

[1:10:26] So that is final submission is in.

[1:10:29] And we will know in October, if we receive any funding

[1:10:31] and how competitive we are for the boardwalk.

[1:10:33] Thank you to Josh Reigns for co-presending

[1:10:36] to the Recreation Conservation Office.

[1:10:39] And we also have a $231,000 grant

[1:10:42] that was presented for the property that we bought

[1:10:45] at the Perk, the two little slivers, to get reimbursed for it.

[1:10:48] so we'll also know in October. So fingers crossed that I will hopefully have good news in October.

[1:10:53] And the next week we're putting in a grant for 125,000 for the planning recreation

[1:10:58] access for the pros plan because we absolutely need one. That is due at the end of next week

[1:11:04] and we will also know in October. So October is going to be a month. We are going through playground

[1:11:10] inspections. If you're not aware we have nine playgrounds and some of those playgrounds are

[1:11:17] 20 years old, and unfortunately there's about three or four that are aging right at the same time.

[1:11:22] So we're going to be doing some more site inspections next week in person to take a look at the life of these playgrounds

[1:11:29] and then building that into a capital replacement because some of those are going to need to be, excuse me,

[1:11:36] I'm going to need to be a dress sooner than later and other ones are actually aging quite nicely.

[1:11:40] a couple other things. We are our senior program. You got to meet our great senior and adaptive

[1:11:46] specialist, Jesse Allard, and a previous meeting. I just want to give you one really

[1:11:51] neat number. Before we brought her on board and before we really took off with our partnerships

[1:11:56] with the North Kiss Up Senior Citizen Center, with the tribe, with the library, and a number

[1:12:00] of other partners. Pick up a kingdom for instance. We were estimating 750 seniors who would be

[1:12:09] And we are over 1,350, almost double, which is really fantastic.

[1:12:14] I mean, it's just a lot of great programs that we have and activity.

[1:12:18] A reminder to the public that the community members, that the lodging tax,

[1:12:23] Polesbow Tourism Grants, are due to Marrow.

[1:12:25] So this is the chance if you haven't submitted.

[1:12:27] Please make sure you get those in and some really great news.

[1:12:31] A big thank you to Walmart.

[1:12:33] Walmart notified us today that we are going to be receiving a $5,000 grant for them

[1:12:38] for the 4th of July, the America's 250th celebration that we put together this year and

[1:12:43] brought back the 4th of July, so that's wonderful because our costs were fairly high

[1:12:47] in putting that together. And with that, I'm going to say thank you.

[1:12:52] And Jeff, it was wonderful meeting your brother who was out here visiting you. I think that

[1:12:56] was in conjunction with our Public Works Director's Retirement Recognition, but enjoyed

[1:13:02] meeting your family. And public works are planning an economic development director. Heather

[1:13:07] good evening Heather. Good evening Mayor. Good evening council members of the public. I'm going to stick with the good news updates.

[1:13:14] And share with you that the sinclair caretakers unit was selected by KBA to be included in the parade of homes, which is happening on October the 3rd and the 4th.

[1:13:25] from 10 to 4. So, this parade of homes showcases homes that are custom built, remodels, outdoor living spaces, and energy efficient technology.

[1:13:36] So, I just wanted to share that good news with Council. I also wanted to share that the Mayor's Blue Ribbon Commission was selected for a session at the Director's Conference, and I'll be giving an update next week to Director's Across the State.

[1:13:50] and I'll be joined by Nicole Coleman

[1:13:52] because it's open to planning managers as well.

[1:13:54] And that's all I have.

[1:13:56] Thank you.

[1:13:56] Thank you, Heather.

[1:13:57] And I see off to your left,

[1:13:59] the sudden appearance of our police chief.

[1:14:01] Good evening, we're on hardening.

[1:14:03] Good evening, Mayor.

[1:14:04] Good evening, Council.

[1:14:05] I just wanted to highlight one last thing

[1:14:07] about parking.

[1:14:09] Our city administrator, Gelder,

[1:14:11] has given us the charge for the team

[1:14:14] that is leading this effort to be adaptive.

[1:14:16] and an illustration of that tonight.

[1:14:21] The point being made about the height of the science,

[1:14:24] there's some validity to that.

[1:14:26] For some folks, they're hard to reach.

[1:14:28] The reason they're that high is because the location

[1:14:31] that they're installed is mandated by code.

[1:14:36] They have to be that high because they're walkways.

[1:14:38] However, already, Mike Lund pulled up Google Maps on his phone

[1:14:43] and has shown me about three or four places

[1:14:45] that would not be considered walkways, where we could lower the height, put in some new QR codes that would be easily accessible by anybody, and that's what we'll just keep doing.

[1:14:56] I mean, as we hear these great ideas and feedback, we adapt.

[1:15:00] And our parking partners, parking mobile, and last have also been equally responsive in trying to help us improve this program. So it's very important to keep hearing the feedback. We need it. We take it seriously and then we use it to make this better. Thank you.

[1:15:16] Our staff gives the adaptive management a good reputation. No question about it. And now we have the appearance of our public works manager, Mike Lund.

[1:15:26] Well, Ron kind of stole my thunder so,

[1:15:30] but he is absolutely correct, so when we put the

[1:15:33] signs out there, we follow the MUTCD, which is the manual on uniform traffic control devices.

[1:15:39] Basically, if there's somebody who gets hurt or whatever, there's a lawsuit, first thing the

[1:15:44] attorneys do is look at the MUTCD and make sure your signs are where they're supposed to be

[1:15:48] and all this other stuff. So even in a public parking lot, because it is such a high pedestrian

[1:15:54] area, you know, there might be painted lines, but everybody walks where everybody walks through

[1:15:59] there, right?

[1:15:59] So you gotta keep the signs up by.

[1:16:01] So they don't hit their heads.

[1:16:02] That's the problem.

[1:16:03] The bottom of the sign is a seven foot head clearance.

[1:16:07] Other than ADA is down at five foot and that's mandated by the ADA code.

[1:16:13] But there is other areas down there.

[1:16:16] I was looking at that we could maybe put signs like in a planter.

[1:16:19] So if it's the signs in the planter, people aren't walking through there.

[1:16:23] There's a few different places, so we're going to come up with a couple of different ideas trying to get some of the signs down,

[1:16:29] tweak them around a little bit.

[1:16:31] But there was a reason that they were up that high.

[1:16:33] It wasn't just because we wanted to put them up high.

[1:16:36] So just trying to let everybody know on that.

[1:16:40] That's my parking discussion.

[1:16:43] We are done with the neighborhood streets program or process project for this year.

[1:16:50] We'll have the stripers come back in and finish a little bit of striping.

[1:16:53] All in all, it was a pretty good project.

[1:16:55] We did quite a bit of stuff in town.

[1:16:58] We did over three miles and numerous neighborhoods.

[1:17:03] I think we were in front of, I think I counted almost 45500 homes somewhere in that area.

[1:17:09] And we've really got maybe a handful of complaints and concerns from people.

[1:17:14] So it was a pretty good project.

[1:17:16] We had a lot of compliments on the reach out that we did, reaching out to everybody.

[1:17:24] Just want the citizens to know we know there's still gravel coming loose.

[1:17:28] That's a normal part of a chip seal project, even with the onics on it.

[1:17:32] That is normal.

[1:17:32] We're out there sweeping every, you know, once a week for the first couple of weeks.

[1:17:37] And it'll go down, it'll go down every couple of weeks and once a month and so on and so forth.

[1:17:40] It'll settle down, but it is a normal process.

[1:17:42] So all in all, it turned out pretty good.

[1:17:48] I just want to say thanks for your community engagement.

[1:17:51] There were people who were frustrated early on with the project.

[1:17:55] It's not fully understanding your process and your responses were patient and thorough.

[1:18:01] I just appreciate the public facing work you're doing.

[1:18:04] Thank you.

[1:18:05] If we could just keep the people from driving over top of the cones

[1:18:08] and through the wet stuff would make life a lot simpler.

[1:18:10] But if I could piggyback on council member if it's Patrick's comment,

[1:18:16] but Kudos to the public works team who, for those who may not have seen them,

[1:18:21] when they were working in Old Town, but they went door to door,

[1:18:25] because they had to be nimble things were changing their issues with equipment,

[1:18:29] et cetera, et cetera.

[1:18:31] And they went door to door to door knockers, all that kind of stuff.

[1:18:39] So I handed out, I didn't, my team handed out four different notices in between the

[1:18:45] ridgewood area and all that up on the hill and down here, both areas, we handed out

[1:18:50] notifications four different times to every door just kind of let people know what's going on.

[1:18:56] I have to share Mike and I know the city administrator and you saw this, a note from the Ridgewood

[1:19:03] HOA director, not to be tripled with Edward Wright,

[1:19:08] who Rick Eckert knows from the school district board,

[1:19:11] how pleased he was at the program.

[1:19:13] Yes, there's questions about gravel, over spillage.

[1:19:16] You explain it's going to be cleaned up.

[1:19:18] The streets look terrific.

[1:19:19] And even Eddie was brought along and grateful.

[1:19:23] And that's something.

[1:19:24] So well done, Mike.

[1:19:26] Yeah, it turned out pretty good.

[1:19:27] Sierra Santa Fe was a good contractor.

[1:19:29] We've worked with him numerous times over the years.

[1:19:32] and look forward to other projects with them in the future.

[1:19:36] Anything else to share, Mike?

[1:19:38] Nope, I'm good.

[1:19:39] And no other questions from Council.

[1:19:41] Turning to our city clerk, Reannon Fernandez, good evening, Reannon.

[1:19:45] Good evening, no comment tonight, Mayor.

[1:19:48] And I think our IT director, Brooks Rendell, has some good news about this room and the

[1:19:53] hard work they've been working on.

[1:19:55] Yeah, a good evening, Council on Mayor, everyone else in the room, there's not a lot of people

[1:20:00] I'm holding the back of the room right now, but I was standing back there a little while ago, and the audio quality is significantly better than it was, because there's actually audio back there now.

[1:20:13] The couple of other things we did last week is we zoned the room this room now has three zones.

[1:20:20] So audio seems to be much better than it's ever been.

[1:20:24] And the other thing we did is we're in a slow process of replacing access points around the city, so we've had Wi-Fi issues in here, and we have a brand new access point in here, and we're slowly making the process of doing that around the city.

[1:20:41] Thank you.

[1:20:42] All right.

[1:20:43] Thanks to our IT team, Brooks and Maurice, who guys work hard and are constantly improving

[1:20:49] things.

[1:20:50] Much credit to you.

[1:20:51] Thank you.

[1:20:52] If there's no other questions from Council, we're going to move on to agenda item eight.

[1:20:58] This is the consent agenda and I'll read for the record.

[1:21:01] All matters listed within the consent agenda have been distributed.

[1:21:04] to each member of the City Council for Reading and Study, are considered to be routine and

[1:21:11] will be enacted by one motion of the Council with no separate discussion.

[1:21:15] If, in fact, separate discussion is desired, that item might be removed from the consent

[1:21:19] agenda and placed on the regular or business agenda by council member or citizen request.

[1:21:26] Tonight, we have four items on the consent agenda.

[1:21:30] We have a grant for radar equipment for the police department.

[1:21:33] We have a refrigeration unit grant for the police department.

[1:21:38] We have the irrigation code changes, the watering, the Charlie Roberts' walk-to-through,

[1:21:43] and finally the Null Road Improvenced Middle segment right away acquisition.

[1:21:49] And not seeing any desire or request to remove, I would entertain a motion and second to approve

[1:21:57] the consent agenda.

[1:21:59] Mayor, I move to approve consent agenda items A3D.

[1:22:02] Second. I have a motion and a second. We'll do this by roll call. Councilwoman lived all lived all I

[1:22:10] Decor'd I

[1:22:11] Fitzpatrick I

[1:22:13] No I

[1:22:14] Thomas I

[1:22:14] Tabor I

[1:22:16] The consent agenda is passed. Thank you council agenda item number nine business agenda the first item will be the

[1:22:24] Sequoamish flag

[1:22:25] Banners display request and this will be led by our own council member Rick Eckker Rick

[1:22:32] Yeah, I think it's most, you know, this is something I've been pursuing for a couple years now.

[1:22:39] Just our public speech resolution from a few years back that these kind of things have to come from a council member or a mayor.

[1:22:49] I had approached Chairman Ford's been years back and said that I wanted to, I wanted to propose this on behalf of this qualms tribe,

[1:22:57] but I did not want to do it without their approval consent.

[1:23:00] which is patient. It's taken a few years of conversation with them on what's the right time,

[1:23:09] what's the right design, and what's the right time of year. And so I'm happy to say that

[1:23:15] they have given me their approval to put forth to the council that we honor them on the

[1:23:23] front street, like we've done for some other groups. And so that's what this resolution

[1:23:27] is, have Banners made, the design is provided by them,

[1:23:33] battle design is in the agenda, and then we would put it up

[1:23:41] throughout the over and then roll into November with our honoring

[1:23:45] Veterans Day with the U.S. light once.

[1:23:50] I want to give full credit to Councilman Eckerd.

[1:23:52] I've been to quite a few meetings with the Sequoamish tribe,

[1:23:56] and since he came off the school board and was elected to City Council,

[1:24:00] I can't think an area moment at a power or chief Seattle days let alone in an intergovernmental

[1:24:07] committee meeting, where you did not heartfully and respectfully bring up the question

[1:24:12] of recognizing Indigenous people's day, Indigenous people's month, and were absolutely

[1:24:19] politely persistent because it's not always easy in Indian country to arrive at consensus

[1:24:27] and certainly it operates in a different time frame sometimes than we do here at Council.

[1:24:33] So I give you full credit.

[1:24:35] Thank you, Mr. Record, for that effort.

[1:24:37] Thank you. Yeah, it was very important to me that they came back and said, yes, please do this.

[1:24:42] Then it wasn't me doing it on the behalf, us doing it on the behalf, speaking for them,

[1:24:47] that this is something they wanted, and so I'm happy to say that.

[1:24:51] Leonard said yes.

[1:24:55] Mr. Mayor, in Council, just a couple other details based on the other

[1:25:00] We have produced in the past. It's estimated that we can have them printed for about $1,500.

[1:25:08] And then the additional amount would cover the time to actually do the installation of them.

[1:25:15] So it's somewhere in that $900 range. So we have capacity within the council budget to accommodate $2,500.

[1:25:27] Rob, do we have the available or re-annon a quick overhead to show the banner?

[1:25:34] I can otherwise hold up, which isn't, oh, that works, that works, fairly well,

[1:25:45] and thank you

[1:25:48] to Rob for your support in making this happen, working with him and getting it all logistically

[1:25:53] set up.

[1:25:54] My pleasure.

[1:25:57] So Council, we have a Councilwoman Crow.

[1:26:04] There'll be extras ordered up, so I'm sorry.

[1:26:08] Is this the time to ask a question?

[1:26:10] I'm sorry.

[1:26:11] The word that reached extras ordered as well.

[1:26:15] No, just the number that we need for the downtown.

[1:26:19] I don't know.

[1:26:19] The weather seems to decide to show us who's strongest.

[1:26:25] So, I know there's a design for when resistance, but it'd be nice if there was a couple extra.

[1:26:32] We can see based on the kind of the approved budget of what flexibility we have in there for one or two more.

[1:26:39] Fair enough. This is a beautiful design.

[1:26:44] Council, I mean for their questions.

[1:26:47] As always, I'd entertain a motion to place this on the dios.

[1:26:53] Move to approve the printing of sequimish banners with up to $2,500 in the Council budget

[1:26:59] to include printing installation and to display the banners on downtown city owned fixtures

[1:27:05] from October 1st through 30th, 2026, and then to be replaced by the American flag banners

[1:27:11] in honor of Veterans Day through November 30, 2026.

[1:27:19] We have a motion and a quiet second.

[1:27:21] Any further discussion on the motion on the table?

[1:27:24] not seeing any?

[1:27:26] Can I still ask question?

[1:27:30] Is the intention that we will put these up in subsequent years as well?

[1:27:37] I think the way our resolution is worded.

[1:27:39] We have to keep putting this forth in these each year.

[1:27:43] So we keep them and then we have them for the next year.

[1:27:46] But we resolution would have to be put forth next year.

[1:27:50] And potentially we would do it a different month.

[1:27:52] Next year, originally, we were talking about doing this honoring Chief Seattle, the Treaty

[1:27:58] Ack, in January, didn't work out for that timeline, and they came back with this time,

[1:28:04] but in a future, we could do it around Treaty Day.

[1:28:07] Okay, but we will plan on storing them and using them again after that, even though we only

[1:28:13] have one.

[1:28:14] Okay.

[1:28:14] Thank you.

[1:28:15] Thank you for clarifying that Councilwoman Thomas.

[1:28:18] Any further question?

[1:28:20] Discussion?

[1:28:21] Not seeing any beginning at my far left council woman lived all.

[1:28:26] Live all I?

[1:28:27] Eckerdike.

[1:28:28] Bro I.

[1:28:29] Fits Patrick.

[1:28:30] No I.

[1:28:31] Thomas I.

[1:28:31] Tabor I.

[1:28:32] And that passes.

[1:28:33] Congratulations, Rick, on your dog at efforts.

[1:28:39] We're moving on in the business agenda.

[1:28:41] The next item is professional services agreement with cats.

[1:28:45] K-A-T cat's cottage, limited liability company, and that will be led by Kim Hendrickson, Kim.

[1:28:52] Thank you, Mayor.

[1:28:53] Thank you for accepting a last minute agenda item.

[1:28:56] This is a last minute issue that I'm looking for your assistance to help solve.

[1:29:01] Housing Health and Human Services has contracted with kits at homes of compassion for many

[1:29:06] years, both to support their housing operations and to support the placement of mental

[1:29:12] health and behavioral health professionals at the Recovery Resource Center.

[1:29:16] At current we have two behavioral health professionals, both the mental health case manager

[1:29:21] and a mental health counselor, supplied by Kitset Homes of Compassion that are serving members

[1:29:26] of the Recovery Resource Center and Recovery Cafe.

[1:29:30] I would say of all of the services that we offer at the Recovery Center, this by far is the

[1:29:34] most in demand.

[1:29:36] Our mental health case manager has a case load of over 60 people at current.

[1:29:41] people come in from, with varying degrees of needs to get these mental health services and

[1:29:47] they're very important to our community.

[1:29:49] Kitsap homes of compassion has gone out of business.

[1:29:52] It was a decision that I didn't have a lot of notice on our mental health case manager

[1:29:56] received a notice of termination on September 1st.

[1:30:00] Which created a situation where we needed to work quickly to find out what we could do to keep a continuity of services from members that rely so strongly on these services.

[1:30:11] An agency in port orchard called Katz Cottage has quite literally come to our rescue. The woman that runs Katz Cottage, her name is Kate Sotoberg.

[1:30:22] She previously worked for Kitsap Homes of Compassion as a supervisor of our mental health staff.

[1:30:28] She's familiar with the services that we provide.

[1:30:31] She agreed in light of what's happened with Kitsap Homes of Compassion to serve as our providing agency,

[1:30:37] to contract with for the rest of the year to ensure that our same staff could stay in place and provide the same level of services.

[1:30:45] So I'm coming to Council tonight to ask you to approve an agreement that we've written with legal input

[1:30:51] of course, to contract with Cats Cottage from now until the end of the year to preserve our

[1:30:57] current level of mental health services.

[1:31:00] There's also a budget amendment that I've asked you to approve in the spirit of full transparency.

[1:31:05] We have been told by the county that we will be reimbursed to the entire amount of this budget

[1:31:10] agreement and this agreement with Cats Cottage, but we have not received the county contract

[1:31:15] yet.

[1:31:16] The city of Pulsebow moves quicker than Kitsap County, and it's my hope that Council tonight will consider passing an amendment,

[1:31:23] a budget amendment, and a contract with email confirmation from the county that they'll be compensating us for these services, but without contract in hand.

[1:31:32] I normally wouldn't ask you to take this sort of quick action without the county contract in place, but again what we're trying to do is ensure that there's a continuity of services.

[1:31:42] at the center and it's kind of an extraordinary situation, so would be happy to answer any questions.

[1:31:48] Kim, we know that the extraordinary circumstances, thank you for your nimbleness, is the word.

[1:31:53] We have a question of staff from Councilman Newell.

[1:31:59] Is there anything else that could have homes of compassion was providing to the city of Pulse Bo besides this support?

[1:32:06] not at the moment, they certainly have in the past, but we are paying close attention to the,

[1:32:14] we're paying close attention to the situation because many of our members at the recovery center

[1:32:18] live and kids at the home of compassion managed houses and we're highly concerned about their will be in.

[1:32:24] So that's my follow on is from the standpoint of the other services, are they completely shutting down or is it just this business long?

[1:32:31] They're completely shutting down.

[1:32:32] So what about those other things, to your point, we have members of our community that are receiving support from them in various locations?

[1:32:43] I can assure you that there are many wonderful actors in Kitsep County that are leaning in to figure out how they can jump into help.

[1:32:51] I don't feel comfortable telling you who's looking right now to pick up the houses, but I can tell you that there are two agencies that are inactive conversations to try to take over the homes.

[1:33:00] And that's fair. If you could just some later date with us in a state of what's the transition across the board of these other things.

[1:33:08] I know they help a lot of people who have had a very serious situation. Thank you.

[1:33:14] And Councilman Fitzpatrick.

[1:33:17] Kim, I apologize if you already said this and I missed it, but I saw in the memo that the same staff will be held in place.

[1:33:27] Yeah. So, your current providers are transitioning to the new employment and from the members

[1:33:34] point of view, they won't see any change.

[1:33:36] Thank you for that clarifying question. Because termination notices were issued on the

[1:33:42] first of September, which was Tuesday, there are no services at the center today or tomorrow,

[1:33:50] but should Council decide to move forward with this agreement and budget amendment. We are

[1:33:54] to start work with Cats Cottage on Friday. So there'll be a three-day interruption, but that would be it should

[1:34:00] Council move forward with this agreement. What you're saying that members who have built this

[1:34:04] right relationship will be able- No interruption at all. No interruption at all.

[1:34:09] Councilman Eckerd then back to Councilman Noo. No, that was my question. It's the same

[1:34:14] councillors because we all know that that's it important. That relationship is important as

[1:34:19] the service is being available in the first place. I strongly agree. Thank you.

[1:34:24] Back to you, Doug.

[1:34:26] I'm ready to make a motion.

[1:34:28] That would be wonderful.

[1:34:29] Move to approve budget amendment 26-309,

[1:34:33] and authorize the Mayor to sign a contract.

[1:34:37] Professional Services Agreement with Cats College LLC.

[1:34:42] Second.

[1:34:42] Do I have a second?

[1:34:44] Second.

[1:34:45] We have a motion and a second.

[1:34:46] Any further discussion on the motion on the table council?

[1:34:50] And not seeing any, again, roll call.

[1:34:52] Councilwoman Livedol.

[1:34:54] Livedol, aye.

[1:34:55] Eckerdai.

[1:34:56] Crow, aye.

[1:34:56] Fitzpatrick, aye.

[1:34:58] Nile, aye.

[1:34:59] Thomas, aye.

[1:34:59] T-

[1:35:00] Thank you, Council. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you, Council. That concludes the business agenda. We're going to take a 10 minute recess and then reconvene at the table for our workshop format at 6.45.

[1:47:23] City Council is back in work study or workshop agenda as it's entitled. We have

[1:47:37] three things on the agenda, including what it was amended for. The last one being Council working goals. So we'll start with the first, which is special events review with Emily and Jeff. Jeff and Emily.

[1:47:49] Jeff

[1:47:56] is trying to leave me on by my phone.

[1:47:58] I mean, he trust me.

[1:47:59] So he's there.

[1:48:01] Go every day.

[1:48:02] Thank you.

[1:48:04] All right.

[1:48:04] Good evening, Council.

[1:48:06] Mayor.

[1:48:07] We are presenting numbers 36 through 41 of our 47 event special events in the city this year.

[1:48:14] So this will be my largest or one of the largest presentations we have for you

[1:48:20] for the remainder of 2026.

[1:48:23] So, we have six events coming up across October, I'm sorry, seven, and first being, first

[1:48:31] week in October, we have two running events, one being October fest with which is a fun

[1:48:36] run that happens between our local breweries across Polesbow, some downtown and some on the

[1:48:43] Viking corridor, they've added a couple of stops this year with the closures of their

[1:48:51] previous locations, so J.J. Fish House and the SIP have been added to the stops this year.

[1:48:58] Along with the whole Echoes rainy days are still stops as well as a restop at the Viking

[1:49:05] statue for, I believe, a donut break all along the way. Polesby police will be handling traffic

[1:49:12] control across Viking Avenue in between rainy days and Echoes for the safety of the runners over there

[1:49:18] And, um,

[1:49:24] Muriel Iverson Waterfront Park is also an extra rest stop for the downtown area.

[1:49:30] And we were able to coordinate, um, latrines being dropped off for both the run on Saturday.

[1:49:38] And also the half marathon that will take place on Sundays.

[1:49:41] So we'll have less confusion about things coming in and out of Anderson and we will have a shared commitment.

[1:49:50] a commitment between those sort of positions for adding the rest of the park.

[1:49:57] Questions on questions?

[1:50:00] Comments Council.

[1:50:05] You are too good, Emily. There we go. All right, polls will have merit on. This is the 10th year of the polls will have merit on event, or it started, excuse me, in 2016, I believe they had one year of hiatus. Coming to polls, though, it will be on Sunday, October 4th. The start time will be 8 a.m. and they have both a half marathon and a 10 k loop with the routes across the city. They're expecting about 850 participants.

[1:50:33] They have 30 volunteers and they will have rest stops every two to three miles.

[1:50:38] It's not a closed course, but it pulls both police from them.

[1:50:41] We'll be helping with the onset of the kickoff of the race.

[1:50:47] And runners will have until noon to complete the half marathon and 10k.

[1:50:54] Yes, four hours with an 8am start.

[1:50:57] And we have also worked with engineering to ensure that the sidewalk area at the end of

[1:51:04] front street is open where the construction is taking place for that weekend so that people

[1:51:10] will have easy passage there where the apartment building is still being constructed.

[1:51:15] Sometimes they're sensing up which can impact the larger crowds.

[1:51:20] So we've worked with engineering and they've contacted the construction company and they've

[1:51:25] to make sure to leave those sidewalks available and open.

[1:51:30] Any questions on the Paul Spowhaff, Marathon?

[1:51:34] Layton.

[1:51:36] The end of the course goes through the Ports parking lot.

[1:51:38] It's a support question with them.

[1:51:40] Sorry.

[1:51:41] Thank you.

[1:51:42] The end of the course goes through the Ports parking lot.

[1:51:46] Is there any coordination required or are they, is that I didn't see it in the application?

[1:51:50] The Ports is aware and have a proof.

[1:51:53] Thank you.

[1:51:56] All right.

[1:51:56] Any other questions?

[1:51:58] And on to the North Kitsa High School homecoming parade.

[1:52:02] This is an annual parade of homecoming held on Wednesday, October 7th.

[1:52:07] Road closures will start around 545.

[1:52:10] The parade itself won't start until that's 16.

[1:52:12] And we'll head from 1st Lutheran Church.

[1:52:15] Downhouse mark on the front street.

[1:52:17] And then concludes with a rally at the Waterfront Park.

[1:52:26] That following Sunday, October 11th is the Kitsa Color Classic.

[1:52:30] This is a bicycle race across Kitsup County.

[1:52:34] So it starts in Kingston.

[1:52:36] There are three different courses of varying links.

[1:52:41] And Polesbo is one of the rest of them.

[1:52:43] So the Waterfront Park has a rest of them.

[1:52:46] The organizers will be providing slides donuts for their writers.

[1:52:52] And I believe that the West Sound...

[1:52:59] No, I'm sorry.

[1:53:00] the Miss West Town team.

[1:53:02] Thank you.

[1:53:03] Our have made peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in the past.

[1:53:07] Or these writers.

[1:53:09] So they appreciate Paul's pose.

[1:53:10] One of their scenic restops along the way.

[1:53:16] Onto the autumn bonfire.

[1:53:18] Again, another treasured annual event hosted by Sons of Norway.

[1:53:23] The Vikings will march down front streets around into

[1:53:28] into little Anderson backup through, oh, by the U of Design, sorry, I can't think of what

[1:53:37] they, the name is, they're between the Zip and JJs and then they'll come back up along

[1:53:42] the waterfront to light the bonfire for the Autumn Celebration. They will have a Proclamation

[1:53:50] and after which the Vikings in years past have hand out candy to our Halloweeners.

[1:53:55] about what time Emily is your understanding?

[1:53:58] Yeah, so the fire pits set up we'll start around 9 a.m., 6 p.m. is the start time for their walk and then they're

[1:54:05] expecting to finish by 8 p.m.

[1:54:10] with the party goers, or whenever they run out of candies is generally when most of the crowd

[1:54:17] disverses. Are you voting? Yes, or do you have a question? Council member, David?

[1:54:20] Just kind of a comment question, a question,

[1:54:26] with just checking El Nino's at 90% hitting between October and December.

[1:54:31] So maybe let the events know that they're, you know, to double check whether and be prepared for dealing with a heavier rain than usual.

[1:54:39] for you too, but. Yes, great call up. I also spoke with Curtis earlier tonight and he

[1:54:46] showed me that this year they will have a larger zone around the fire pit for where the

[1:54:54] Vikings actually need to safely stand in order to light. I know in years past there's been some.

[1:55:00] I'm kind of crowding to get as close as possible. And so for crowd control and everybody's safety, they will have kind of a cone zone for the onlookers to make sure that they're not trying to push crowds of people with children and families and strollers back further on safety. So they are aware and making that change this event.

[1:55:25] And finally, the HDPA Goalsbow.

[1:55:29] Absolutely Goalsbow.

[1:55:30] Another treasured event.

[1:55:32] This will be on Halloween.

[1:55:33] Saturday.

[1:55:35] The road closures will start around 330 and the start time for the event is 4 o'clock.

[1:55:41] There we're expecting.

[1:55:43] It's a large crowd.

[1:55:44] You're going to be between 800 and 1,000 people downtown on

[1:55:47] Front Street with the businesses hosting trick treating.

[1:55:51] Many businesses may decide to put canopies outside, depending on the weather for dispensing

[1:55:58] candy.

[1:55:59] There are vericlosures that will be in effect during this event and along the front street

[1:56:07] and polls most police and public works will be assisting with safety and vericases.

[1:56:13] And these continuing the closure is continuing up Jensen again this year.

[1:56:17] That's in the plan for this year.

[1:56:23] Yeah, and that was just the one I know, I'm not sure I didn't hear as much last year, but at the first year they closed Jensen because the businesses that are in there.

[1:56:32] So these are the customers in those businesses that they couldn't get out because the road was closed.

[1:56:37] So we just have to be cautious about closing it as early as three.

[1:56:40] Yeah, so we flagged that and I know at least having discussions.

[1:56:44] I was there and with the cars and small children were.

[1:56:47] Yeah, so we need to have a better product that they need to have not only volunteers, but coordinating with police because folks will not listen to volunteers

[1:56:54] Yeah, I don't know blue building has an official name, but the blue building here next door because those are all tenants inside that building

[1:57:01] So even if the building owner gets notified that tenants might not necessarily know and I know the first year. They definitely didn't know so and that's a requirement to every recall that

[1:57:11] The HGPA has to inform everybody, and that's in our special event coordination meeting, which is tomorrow, and then we'll be following up with police because we have some folks out of the office. I'm police right now.

[1:57:23] Great question.

[1:57:25] This may be a memory issue, but in years past I thought that the road was closed up closer to the King Olaf parking lot.

[1:57:34] Is that a change just here to move it down to create access to the Anderson Lot or am I

[1:57:41] Or we're cars just not there

[1:57:46] So I have a similar memory of that but it is not reflected in the maps will confirm with PW on exactly where the world closures will be

[1:57:57] To make sure that Anderson Parkway is still open and available for people to park down I also have a different memory. So it's but ideally Anderson Parkway should be open

[1:58:06] Right, so folks can come in and, yeah, in recent egress, and then what has happened,

[1:58:11] again, for my memories where you have, if you've got that little flower car here,

[1:58:15] right, the black one has flower as well.

[1:58:16] I've never together, yes, there's a police vehicle there with a barricade of flashing lights

[1:58:20] laying people down, right, as a hard stop.

[1:58:23] And then you have multiple businesses up that street that come out with tents and whatnot.

[1:58:30] So I am concerned about kids still,

[1:58:34] because I think that strip gets just as busy

[1:58:37] and if we've got, if that only access point

[1:58:40] is out of Anderson that way,

[1:58:41] especially since Jensen is closed,

[1:58:43] I would think that we probably want some extra presence

[1:58:47] air to slow cars taking out left out of Anderson up the hill.

[1:58:51] And we'll review that and get back to you on.

[1:58:53] Thank you.

[1:58:56] Any further questions, clarifications?

[1:58:59] Are we good counsel with the October array

[1:59:01] of events.

[1:59:04] That particular is on my list, but it is not an official event, because it's hosted

[1:59:10] at the Parks and Rec Center for our preschool age children, but it will be happening at the

[1:59:14] afternoon of, of, of, of, of Holly, and that's just a love letter to the community because

[1:59:20] there's nothing really pre-school aged, and it's time to, before HDPA's event, and it gets

[1:59:25] everybody out there.

[1:59:25] We have a, like, 150 parents, no, 400, it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a awesome

[1:59:30] I really recommend council come and take a look.

[1:59:33] All right.

[1:59:34] Thank you, Jeff and Emily.

[1:59:36] Well organized.

[1:59:39] Heather will lead us at the right on the code compliance position.

[1:59:44] Update and I think she'll be accompanied by city administrator Rob Gelder.

[1:59:54] Your assumptions for all correct mayor.

[1:59:57] Good evening again council and thank you.

[2:00:00] Thank you for the time to discuss this position. It is a position that was funded by City Council, but it is a position that has not been filled yet, but it is a function that is being performed.

[2:00:13] And in light of Councilmember Eckert's

[2:00:17] acknowledgment of the few years of tenure on the council.

[2:00:21] And we have new and newer members on council.

[2:00:24] I wanted to just give you a little bit more of an overview

[2:00:26] of this position in how it functions currently and how it can function.

[2:00:31] And as a leadership team,

[2:00:35] Gueldor and a finance director, Buher, and public work director Linias, and

[2:00:42] who else joined us, representing building and engineering, and as well as

[2:00:47] Parks Director, Ozen Mag.

[2:00:49] We've all met and discussed this position, so I will be weaving into the

[2:00:52] and the mayor.

[2:00:53] Excuse me, Mayor, join us in some of those conversations.

[2:00:55] So we've been talking about this position, and before I dive in, I do want to

[2:01:01] that this position was funded, it hasn't been filled and I'm going to take responsibility for that.

[2:01:07] I have managed code compliance in the past and my previous position with the city of

[2:01:11] Bainbridge Island and looking at our codes with our legal team we've acknowledged that there's

[2:01:17] quite a bit of work that needs to happen to our code and the position was that we would massage

[2:01:22] that code and prove that code before we brought someone in. I don't want to hire and train someone

[2:01:27] on what I would call somewhat of a not a broken but an incomplete code.

[2:01:33] So that's part of the large part of the delay and because we're stepping into budget

[2:01:37] season, we thought this would be a good time to revisit the position and see if it still

[2:01:43] lines up with Council's direction and discuss some possibilities of how we move this position

[2:01:48] forward.

[2:01:50] So with that, I'm going to speak just about the duties.

[2:01:52] So the way that I would describe a code compliance position is planning, building, engineering, and parks and rent, because that's what's codified right now.

[2:02:02] We all set codes and regulations.

[2:02:05] We have adopted building code that says you need a permit if you build something of a certain size.

[2:02:10] We have planning code that says if you're a movie tree in a critical area, you need a critical area permit.

[2:02:15] We have these regulations and what code compliance does is it fills in the gap between the regulation and what actually happens within our community.

[2:02:25] And our job is to ensure that we promote the health safety and welfare of our community and we use code compliance to ensure that.

[2:02:32] This position was last filled in 2018 and due to COVID and some of the complexities the position was supporting

[2:02:41] both planning and the police department or court function at the time and the position the person

[2:02:48] that was filling that position left and it's been vacant ever since and there was actually no funding for that position until last year

[2:02:55] by any unbudget. The reporting structure is this position,

[2:02:59] red report to the planning department, and the assumed salary for that position is $133,000,

[2:03:05] and that does include benefits.

[2:03:09] To give you a sense of how the compliance system works

[2:03:13] currently, we are a complaint based. We don't go out and actively seek violations,

[2:03:20] and so that means someone has to observe something and say something,

[2:03:23] And the way they do that is they can call us directly in a call public works, and let us know that they've experienced something

[2:03:31] and they can also report it online through this C-click fix with a system, which is an automated system.

[2:03:38] Once that complaint is received, it can be anything from my neighbor's throwing a party and it's really loud,

[2:03:43] and so we send that off to police. It's not really a code compliance case.

[2:03:47] To someone is actively cutting down a tree right now, and that's immediately routed to planning and I myself have got out and bestigated some of those.

[2:03:56] So the complaint is receives, they're routed to the appropriate department.

[2:04:00] That department investigates that case.

[2:04:02] They do that by looking at the code generally.

[2:04:04] Like is there really a violation occurring, or they may go out into the field.

[2:04:09] They'll look at aerial imagery, etc.

[2:04:12] that violation is as substantiated and we work in a really friendly system or really fortunate

[2:04:18] I would say this speaks to our community as we just generate a letter right now and we say

[2:04:24] We've observed that this is happening.

[2:04:27] You have a rooster in your property and roosters are in a loud and city limits

[2:04:30] and we need you to find a new home for that rooster and we give them generally two weeks to a month to comply

[2:04:37] And we also give them the opportunity to connect with us and let us know if our assumptions

[2:04:43] are incorrect.

[2:04:44] And it's very generally a friendly letter.

[2:04:47] We do have within that compliance achievement to share with them that there could be a fine associated

[2:04:55] if they choose not to correct the activity and that fine is up to $250.

[2:05:00] We don't always include that in the letter. We start generally, pretty friendly, sometimes we even move forward with a phone call. And I would say about 95% of our cases, we receive compliance. It's been really kind of lovely to support this community and getting a compliance. But I'll speak to some of the outliers in a moment. So all of this resides for those of you who want to do a deeper dive at some point. All of this resides, and the authority is in chapter 1, 16 of our municipalities.

[2:05:30] code, it allows outlines of steps that I have here, which gives us a theory to investigate

[2:05:35] sometimes our actions do require that we have police involved, depending on the nature

[2:05:40] of the case. As I mentioned, we issue and serve letters, and this is generally where our

[2:05:46] work stops. But we do have the ability through, excuse me, voluntary correction is actually a

[2:05:52] stat that kind of comes before issuing a letter. Sometimes we call people and say, hey, I've,

[2:05:58] I've done a site visit. I'm like, hey, are you allowed to cut that tree down? I'm like actually, yes, it's right against the foundation of my home. I verified they weren't with any protected tree area and they could proceed.

[2:06:08] So that's a voluntary correction order. We issue letter if we're not able to get compliance through that type of means.

[2:06:16] And then if they're doing something active in the moment, it's like building a deck without a permit, we can issue what's called a stop work order, which says you need to stop this work right now, come in and get a building permit.

[2:06:26] And then as I mentioned, we have a notice of infraction.

[2:06:29] So these are the different tools in our belt that we currently have.

[2:06:34] And notice of infraction, it's not as simple as it sounds.

[2:06:37] We can't just, there's a code case that we worked on that I'll speak to because it gives

[2:06:42] a little bit of light of the more complex cases.

[2:06:45] This was tree cutting on a visible apartment complex on French street.

[2:06:50] They were performing work on the shoreline.

[2:06:54] They removed a large amount of trees.

[2:06:57] And we said, hey, you all need to come to compliance.

[2:07:00] We're going to do a notice for the infraction of 250 a day.

[2:07:03] Every day that you've been out of compliance.

[2:07:06] And we worked with Emily and she said,

[2:07:07] that's not really the best tool.

[2:07:09] What it would take for us to actually recoup those costs

[2:07:12] would cost more than actually the infraction itself.

[2:07:16] Even though it adds up every day in this case

[2:07:18] had been going on and she's the one who really brought to my attention that we need a bolster

[2:07:22] up these tools to get to compliance.

[2:07:24] So why we have this on the books, I don't think it's ever been exercised and it would cost

[2:07:29] us a lot of money to get the money.

[2:07:32] So and it doesn't actually necessarily bring about compliance.

[2:07:36] But I just wanted to just kind of air that and speak openly with you all about how that

[2:07:41] actually functions.

[2:07:44] So, I wanted to give you guys a sense of, I've described some of the cases in the nature

[2:07:49] of the cases, but I wanted to give you a sense of the amount of complaints that we get

[2:07:54] and also to share with you all why this is being handled internally, there's just not

[2:08:00] a lot of volume there.

[2:08:01] So, these are actual complaints, so not all of these turn into a case.

[2:08:06] I mean, someone's called in and said, I'm observing this, something is happening, and then we take some sort of action, and as I described, it could be as simple as looking at the code and saying, oh, there's nothing here, there's no complaint.

[2:08:20] It could be more complex is going out in the field of observing and communicating with someone and resolving the matter, and then the highest complexity.

[2:08:28] hire complexities when you all all I think have been informed of, which is the re-roofing

[2:08:34] on the Muffison building and downtown that happened in the early spring. We're still working

[2:08:41] with the property owner. I'm confident we're going to get there but some of these cases can

[2:08:46] drag on. So this is a sense of the totals that we've received since 2023 and for those

[2:08:53] can't read the really small print. So in 2023, our total was 37. The lion share was in the

[2:09:00] engineering department. In 2024, engineering won again just slightly. But 18 cases, the grand

[2:09:08] total was 50 cases total. And then in 2025, engineering, they get the lion share and that's why I

[2:09:17] have some more facts to support that. They received a total of 19. So you'll see from this trend,

[2:09:22] Engineering and Planning at the bulk of the complaints, they received a total of 48, and then so far this year we've had a total of 42 complaints.

[2:09:32] So, Diane, as I mentioned at the beginning, we've been working with Public Works Director Linius and discussing the bulk of the work and the impact to staff.

[2:09:43] And according to engineering staff that is working on some of these cases, it takes about two hours per case.

[2:09:50] So just doing some rough mass, not fantastic mass, and assuming two hours across the board

[2:09:57] and as I said, there's always outliers, there's some that-

[2:10:00] I've been going on the tree that was cut at the corner of Lincoln in 305, that very large tree that was kind of a few years ago, still working to get resolution from the property owner. Some of these do take a lot of patients in more time.

[2:10:14] But an average each case takes about two hours. So if you also factor in the support that we're getting from public work facility, Shannon Wood, she routes us those cases. If you factor in that time, there's an administrative

[2:10:29] of piece to this, too. I would say on average, it's about six hours a week that are worked

[2:10:36] total for this position, and that's why I'm here before you guys tonight. This is based on

[2:10:41] the system that we have today in City Administrator Gallery, our here tonight, because this is based

[2:10:46] on the complaints that we have today, and this is based on us being a complaint based code

[2:10:53] So what I wanted what we wanted to speak with Council about is if you do want us to proceed with the full-time position, I think it's going to be a paradigm shift of how this person operates.

[2:11:05] They will likely be seeking cases. So they will not instead of being reactive, they're going to be proactive. They'll be out in the community looking for violations and reporting them.

[2:11:17] And that's a decision by Council.

[2:11:19] Do we want a more proactive, cool compliance?

[2:11:23] They can serve other functions.

[2:11:25] We just passed what is the irrigation code changes

[2:11:27] for water conservation measures.

[2:11:29] We're going to have certain days of the week

[2:11:30] that you be watering your lawn on.

[2:11:32] They could go out there and educate people

[2:11:35] if that's something this Council seeks.

[2:11:39] Realistically, Robin, I have spoken about them supporting staff

[2:11:43] by reviewing the clearing permits and the saying permits

[2:11:45] because that's the lion's share of the violations that we see in the planning department

[2:11:50] is clearing without a permit and signs without a permit.

[2:11:53] I don't need them to do that, meaning our staff is currently able to manage that workload,

[2:11:59] but we can look for additional work for them.

[2:12:02] I do want to caution and just make council aware that if that is the path we want to continue

[2:12:07] to proceed on and this was included in the packet that we would need an additional budget

[2:12:11] adjustment.

[2:12:12] we don't currently have a vehicle for the planning department at all, and so I just did a

[2:12:18] worst case scenario based on our last numbers of $60 something thousand dollars, so a vehicle

[2:12:24] would be necessary if we were to continue with a full-time enforcement. And then the other

[2:12:31] options just for Council to consider, and you can make these tonight, or you can decide that we

[2:12:36] want to continue this discussion as part of the budget, and we just wanted to kind of air this out,

[2:12:40] we could pivot and look at potentially a part-time position with some limited additional duties

[2:12:46] because again I don't think there's a full-time need but I do want to add one thing that I didn't

[2:12:51] shed light on is our communications with our new building official and his work as with fire

[2:13:01] code he is currently seeking his fire code certification and he's working very closely with our

[2:13:08] Marshall, who has the ability to go out and identify problems, but he can't actually correct

[2:13:13] them.

[2:13:13] So he does lean in on building, and our building official, as you all know, came from

[2:13:18] Fort Townsend, where they had a full code compliance officer, and he thinks he could help

[2:13:24] resolve some of the matters that we're experiencing.

[2:13:27] They have most visible example I can give you all that you can relate to, probably, as

[2:13:31] the tense that we had outside of rainy days and echoes.

[2:13:33] That was a joint effort with fire and building to get those removes.

[2:13:38] They were allowed during COVID and it took some time and effort so there are some opportunities

[2:13:43] for building to plug in a little bit more and lean more into that because one thing that

[2:13:49] our building official reminded me of is like we've got some really easy cases now but we can't

[2:13:54] always be guaranteed that we're going to have those cases so I'm saying that because that could

[2:13:58] potentially lead to a part-time position

[2:14:01] with some very limited additional duties based on some

[2:14:04] of the new fire compliance that we could be seeking.

[2:14:08] And then lastly, an option for council to consider is,

[2:14:11] do we continue with that as well?

[2:14:14] And continue to allow that we don't have a designated

[2:14:17] co-compliance officer is supported by all of the department

[2:14:23] and we would still continue with modifying the code.

[2:14:27] So with that, did you have anything else

[2:14:28] do you want to add?

[2:14:29] No, I think you've four of that summary,

[2:14:32] because basically it is a system that works.

[2:14:39] And I think from an observation, I get all copied

[2:14:42] on all of the complaints, so I get them in my inbox every day.

[2:14:47] What I really like about the approach that we have

[2:14:51] is that in some levels, it is decentralized

[2:14:53] to the extent that you have folks that are addressing it

[2:14:56] deal with that body of code on any good.

[2:15:00] And the fact that it is well coordinated, and you're right, the items that really take a long time and kind of level to add a level of severity or intricacy.

[2:15:15] And though, that's not the right way.

[2:15:18] Interacise, sorry.

[2:15:20] You know, those are a few and far between.

[2:15:23] We have everything from the dead rabbit in the road,

[2:15:28] which we had, to, you know, just a lot of them being

[2:15:33] a resolution of neighbor against neighbor.

[2:15:37] It's not even necessarily issues with code.

[2:15:42] It's that somebody wants that neutral arbiter of some kind of dispute.

[2:15:49] And it depends on the functionality of the H.O.A. or whatever.

[2:15:54] If there's a vacuum, they're looking to the city to fill it.

[2:15:58] But it doesn't necessarily justify the need for a position per se,

[2:16:03] because I think we are effectively doing it.

[2:16:06] That caveat that Heather talked about, if you want a different approach,

[2:16:10] That's a different story, but I don't think that I would recommend based on how all of our other

[2:16:17] neighboring jurisdictions are usually a complaint-based approach, and they're not seeking

[2:16:22] out, they're not being that driving around and looking for issues to catch people on.

[2:16:30] It creates a very different feel in the community, and if I can take this quick little moment,

[2:16:37] I would say that if we're a recommendation I would have would be to sort of plan to see

[2:16:44] that I know I'm outside of the budget process, but given that there is capacity in the budget

[2:16:51] for this position, I think there are other roles that we could definitely benefit from and

[2:16:59] one of them being from the learnings of the past several months would be to actually have

[2:17:04] communications manager to actually maybe reposition these resources into that functionality

[2:17:11] that would actually layer a level of benefit to all of the departments throughout the city as

[2:17:17] well.

[2:17:18] So that's my pitch.

[2:17:21] Just a quick word after meeting with staff, I concur with continuing with the status quo.

[2:17:27] I know when I was council I advocated with Mayor Erickson for a code compliance but part

[2:17:32] that was the memory of the police and court function combined, and that is no longer the model.

[2:17:39] So I would urge council to look at the continuous status quo, but I'll turn it over to you.

[2:17:47] And who would like to go first?

[2:17:49] That's Doug Taver.

[2:17:55] Yeah, I think considering just balancing priorities and hearing the statutory recommendation

[2:17:59] in the ways presented with the hours and the current status quo and the benefit to the city.

[2:18:06] I think focusing our investment on our police force and them taking up the bulk of series, you

[2:18:16] know municipal infractions and safety issues, and then our current planning and public

[2:18:23] work departments taking it, you know, doing responding to the complaints makes sense

[2:18:28] and like the way you painted that. And I think I'm using the funds for communications as

[2:18:33] would be used across departments for all implementation that would impact the community, right?

[2:18:43] That would be the idea, is that it would be?

[2:18:46] It's a resource that no one department has.

[2:18:50] We don't have that depth.

[2:18:51] So it would be a single position that would be centralized for supporting all departments.

[2:18:55] Which I like because it could be essentially preventative for code enforcement.

[2:18:59] It could say, hey, these signs aren't supposed to be up,

[2:19:01] and they could have a communication campaign

[2:19:03] for first seeing a code enforcement area, that's problematic.

[2:19:06] Or yes, and, or you think about the upcoming work

[2:19:10] in the communication that we need to do

[2:19:13] with all the businesses when we get onto the front street

[2:19:16] project, right?

[2:19:17] That's gonna be a high need to partnering with public works

[2:19:21] and engineers who are thinking about a project,

[2:19:24] but don't necessarily, well, they're great communicators,

[2:19:27] that's not their thing to actually have to add

[2:19:31] level of, okay, how are we, what's the messaging? What are the bullet points? How do we get it out there? How do we do that engagement?

[2:19:37] So just so far from what I've heard, I think proactive is the communications role, and I think being reactive is more of the code enforcement.

[2:19:44] So I lean towards the communication role for these funds, thanks.

[2:19:49] Layton.

[2:19:51] I want to say thank you Heather for just your honesty about being able to do the

[2:20:00] Work, you know, it's so easy to see an opportunity to have more support and I know that your staff is already very stretched.

[2:20:08] You do a lot and you do it very well and I also appreciate your broader view.

[2:20:15] So thank you for that.

[2:20:17] And I very much support the idea of us looking at a communications person to help across.

[2:20:27] I really support that idea and I think given where we are, as a community, it's not time to do something that is going to be perceived as punitive or proactively looking for a problem.

[2:20:41] So, thank you.

[2:20:43] Who else?

[2:20:45] Question clarification?

[2:20:48] Rick.

[2:20:51] Yeah, appreciate the rundown.

[2:20:52] And for everybody note, Heather said the same thing to be months ago.

[2:20:56] That she took blame for this not being done.

[2:20:57] And I thought, like, you're busy.

[2:20:59] I get it.

[2:21:00] Don't worry about it.

[2:21:03] I appreciate the hours and say, how where we are now.

[2:21:09] One of the reasons that I kind of really sort of kept on this after we got to

[2:21:14] this point is sort of, some of the other things we've talked about is future looking.

[2:21:20] So, yeah, this is where we are now, but the bigger we get, and the closer people get to

[2:21:24] each other, the more of some of what you describe it, I think is going to happen.

[2:21:30] I also have concerns that because this has been making for so long, you know, we're

[2:21:36] complaint driven, but it requires citizens to know what to complain about, you know, they don't

[2:21:42] know the code, they don't necessarily know that what their neighbors doing right now is it again,

[2:21:47] isn't legit.

[2:21:48] So they don't know to call it in and go, hey, you know, like you mentioned that tree.

[2:21:53] That's one area where I want us to be proactive, because once that tree was cut down,

[2:21:57] and that was a hundred, probably one, hundred, two hundred, three hundred year old tree,

[2:22:03] it's gone.

[2:22:05] So complaint after the fact is fine for certain things, but there's other areas where I really

[2:22:11] to be proactive because it's too late after the fact like that tree is a perfect example.

[2:22:18] We can do all the mitigation we want but that tree is never coming back.

[2:22:22] And I heard plenty of people and I know Becky heard plenty of people about how there you

[2:22:29] allowed that tree to be cut down. So I get it and you know we don't want somebody to drive around

[2:22:35] the neighborhood that's necessarily looking at people's windows going you need something wrong.

[2:22:38] And I trust you all that, you know, I don't fear the worst case scenarios when it comes to building in the city, because I think we do the job well, you do the job well.

[2:22:51] But if we can take some of the pressure off of all of you to not necessarily have to do these things, in addition to all the other things you're doing, and have someone to do it, you know, I see value in that.

[2:23:04] I absolutely see value in a communications officer, so I'm to really torn between those two.

[2:23:11] And you know if we can recycle a police vehicle that's about to come offline with that that might give a car

[2:23:17] And we don't necessarily have to buy a new car. We're really good at recycling cop cars into public works and everybody else

[2:23:23] So maybe that's you know, we could still do the vehicle by downgrading a police vehicle into a code enforcement car

[2:23:29] Okay, we have, please respond.

[2:23:32] Well, I just one thought the popped in my head is that even with a person, you're not going

[2:23:40] to be able to be in the right place at the right time for most of those egregious things

[2:23:45] that would happen.

[2:23:47] Unfortunately, people that generally do those things are not going to do them when they'll

[2:23:54] be noticed, unfortunately.

[2:23:56] So I think we're always going to have a system that's going to rely on others watching and then sharing that with us whether or not it's also becomes an educational moment because they can say hey my neighbor's doing this and then we can confirm

[2:24:12] Yes, no, they shouldn't be doing that. We go talk to the neighbor or you know actually that is allowed and if you have an educational moment on the flip side of that.

[2:24:21] So we have grit, then Doug Caver, and then Michael Ed just one final thought.

[2:24:28] It kind of goes with some of the things that we're said earlier.

[2:24:31] We are putting a lot of things on our businesses.

[2:24:33] We have done that in many ways.

[2:24:37] So I have a sympathy to those that are doing it correctly if we're allowing others to not

[2:24:43] do things correctly.

[2:24:45] And so, you know, like B&O tax realized on people having business licenses and doing all

[2:24:50] write things and then they're paying their taxes and they're hit. And so if there's people

[2:24:55] not doing things right, they're getting away with not doing all the things.

[2:25:00] Is the people who are doing it right? So I have a sympathy there that it's like we have put this extra burden on the folks that follow the rules. And if we don't, at least a little bit, proactively look for the folks that aren't following the rules, that is a way that we're stressing certain elements of the community and not others. So yeah, I don't necessarily want somebody driving around looking for violations, but at the same time, I kind of, those that aren't doing it the right way.

[2:25:30] need to be held accountable.

[2:25:32] So if this isn't the right way to do it, you're the professionals, but I want fairness.

[2:25:40] And I want those that are doing the right thing to be rewarded for doing the right thing,

[2:25:44] and those that are not to be brought in the compliance.

[2:25:48] Go ahead, Brett.

[2:25:50] Yeah, I mean, my initial point was similar to what Rob said.

[2:25:54] I think one person can't be in all the places

[2:25:57] and if someone's determined to cut down an old growth tree,

[2:26:02] they don't really care what the rules are.

[2:26:05] And it takes a fraction of the amount of time

[2:26:08] to cut it down as it did for it to grow.

[2:26:12] So I mean, developers do it all the time.

[2:26:15] They know exactly what they're supposed to pertain.

[2:26:17] And they cut down whatever they want

[2:26:20] because you can't put the trees back.

[2:26:22] So, it's very frustrating,

[2:26:26] but I think I just agree overall with our planning and building

[2:26:36] departments have created a reputation within this county of being friendly and on your

[2:26:46] side when you come in to apply for permitting and that's the culture that we have here.

[2:26:53] It's supportive, and so I think it does feel a little bit at odds for a position like this.

[2:27:00] The only way it makes sense is if we're completely proactive, and we send somebody out.

[2:27:06] And they're looking for all the infractions.

[2:27:09] And that feels like there's tension with really how the rest of the departments are functioning as people and like outward facing.

[2:27:22] So, I think the communication, I like what you said dug about a communication PR person could help with some education components to all the rest of this.

[2:27:36] Like, if people don't even know what the rules are, they may not even necessarily know they're breaking them.

[2:27:42] Quick note just think about the irrigation. Yeah, right we changed that like they don't know it and then some of those around finding people

[2:27:49] That's not fun, but some of them goes around communicating

[2:27:53] Most cases of

[2:27:55] But I think you've all heard me many many many times beating the drum of us needing

[2:28:01] Consistent communication and PR and it's it's only continuing. It's only gotten more important in my opinion

[2:28:09] So I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep beating that drum

[2:28:17] We live in a world where we have the basic foundations that our community, our families, our schools,

[2:28:29] educateds and that's how to behave to others and how to conduct ourselves.

[2:28:35] And that gets reinforced as we walk around as we drive around as we look around what is our community

[2:28:42] of these standards, not leaving five cars in the front yard, is a community standard.

[2:28:49] We have here in the City of Pulsebow in its reinforced.

[2:28:54] I don't think we want to be in a situation where to move into the City of Pulsebow, we're

[2:29:00] going to ask people to read the Pulsebow municipal code to make sure they don't get in trouble

[2:29:06] because we're going to actively check them on chapter 14 of it.

[2:29:11] I don't think that's anybody's intention.

[2:29:15] I do think that people raise their hand and say,

[2:29:18] hey, this doesn't seem right, and I'll call the city.

[2:29:22] And we're living a situation where our city answers the phone.

[2:29:26] If you call the county right now,

[2:29:28] it's hard to get something to even ask the question.

[2:29:32] And so I appreciate the fact that we have our experts

[2:29:36] answering the phone with regards to the code,

[2:29:39] Instead of having somebody in between, I appreciate what the city has presented tonight

[2:29:46] that they believe it's working and I support the continued status quo at this standpoint.

[2:29:57] Michael.

[2:30:01] I think Brit said most of what I was going to say, so I just want to echo her comments that I much more prefer education over penalization.

[2:30:12] And so, if we can have a communications officer that serves all departments and who has as part of their mission statement to inform the public, not just about actions, but about expectations.

[2:30:28] I think that would be a better use of our time.

[2:30:33] And Pam?

[2:30:36] Just a clarifying question.

[2:30:37] I see that it has included in the budget.

[2:30:42] It says no amount of 65,000.

[2:30:45] Can you clarify what that is?

[2:30:47] Yes.

[2:30:48] So what was included in the budget was the position to be filled at the 133.

[2:30:53] And that's been factored into these years.

[2:30:55] Budget about what was included was the vehicle.

[2:30:58] And so that was just my best estimate of what the vehicle across would be if we weren't able to reuse that police vehicle.

[2:31:04] Okay. All right. And then another question is in reference to the numbers that you have captured as far as complaints over the years.

[2:31:14] Is the, you said that not all of the, a lot of them have been were resolved.

[2:31:19] If there's a way to get an idea of the ones that still required some

[2:31:28] action, and because I can see if, with the proactive place, peace, education folded in,

[2:31:36] the person is still going to also be receiving complaints.

[2:31:39] So it is going to be like a tri-fold of several components, and definitely full-time.

[2:31:49] I see it being full-time, and to understand not only the person being full-time, but regarding

[2:31:57] the communications person, that's a whole separate position and a whole separate cost.

[2:32:11] That will have to be considered at a later time, correct?

[2:32:16] Just trying to...

[2:32:16] That's correct.

[2:32:17] I know we've been a couple of positions together, but we're not through this action of proving information officer.

[2:32:24] Thank you.

[2:32:25] All right.

[2:32:25] And I'll just answer that in my almost five years.

[2:32:30] I've had three cases that we haven't.

[2:32:33] We haven't achieved resolution, but they're all on the path.

[2:32:43] This is only a related question.

[2:32:49] The tree issues seems to be kind of the most predominant, maybe the most serious, are there other mechanisms for us to change the penalty or our response or how we approach that that is separate from this conversation that we maybe need to put on an agenda or

[2:33:06] That's a fantastic question and yes.

[2:33:09] You can absolutely have a specific fine for tree removal without a permit.

[2:33:15] That's an approach that Council could take that could be based on the type of tree.

[2:33:20] It's still there's still the complexity and achieving the fine, not achieving the fine.

[2:33:26] Excuse me, but actually, recouping those costs right.

[2:33:29] There's still that complexity in it.

[2:33:31] But there's also more that can be done in terms of specifying what kind of replanting that we want in our code and making it more geared towards the type of tree that was removed in the impact of that tree.

[2:33:47] So, another time I can tell you about the tree we've been in question tonight and how they're seeking compliance because it's actually a good case study, but it's not the same.

[2:33:58] So I don't want to go down that path, but yes, there are ways that you can amend your

[2:34:04] tree code to get a different results.

[2:34:06] And I think that's a fantastic perspective because that is the lion chair of the complaints

[2:34:10] that we get.

[2:34:16] Bricked it.

[2:34:17] You haven't taken down?

[2:34:17] It's just going to provide a little context for later.

[2:34:20] You just have the tree question, because we do have a tree board comprised of volunteers.

[2:34:25] And I think that's super important, and I've always hoped that we could empower them to investigate

[2:34:31] how we could strengthen our code. Because, you know, we have code around trees, but our neighbors

[2:34:41] to the south, the image island has very, very, very stringent tree code. And maybe we could just find

[2:34:49] like a balance of doing more, yeah, that would be, that's been my hope for years.

[2:35:01] So, Rick,

[2:35:04] yeah. So, after choose, I'm going to go to the communication officer,

[2:35:10] because they can, they can fulfill some of the functions of what we wanted out of the go-to officer.

[2:35:17] But I'm also going to fall back to the conversation that we had when we were talking about an administrator. So, quite a while back at this point, but end of the day, I think we, because we went around around about a communication officer then.

[2:35:31] And I swore we funded it, but we were going to not fill it,

[2:35:35] to look at City Avenue was hired and in, but I couldn't prove that.

[2:35:41] And I talked to Dad, but yeah, it wasn't there.

[2:35:44] So that was just me thinking we did that.

[2:35:47] But what the crux of that was was we were going to

[2:35:50] create a city administrator position.

[2:35:52] We were going to empower them to run the city.

[2:35:54] And it should be incumbent on them to decide what they want,

[2:35:58] and how they want to run this and all of us to let them do their job.

[2:36:03] So as much as, and how I feel about all this, again,

[2:36:08] I'm going to leave more towards communication,

[2:36:10] because I think that's a greater problem.

[2:36:13] Issue, however, one of the say the words.

[2:36:16] Sure, there you go.

[2:36:19] It's like you were on this one day and four.

[2:36:22] And in the day, you're going to figure out

[2:36:25] how you want to run this.

[2:36:26] And so I'm going to go with what you think we should do best.

[2:36:30] So just to firm I hear the council broadly, a consensus to continue as it's displayed

[2:36:37] on the screen, and that city staff will look into a public information officer and come back

[2:36:44] with further information for council as they determine parameters.

[2:36:49] That would go through the regular budget process.

[2:36:52] Yes.

[2:36:53] All good.

[2:36:56] Then we're going to move on.

[2:36:57] This will be led by Reendon Fernandez and Debbie Boer.

[2:37:01] This is the Bionil Budget, 2027-2828, the Council Budget Legislative.

[2:37:08] This is your working goals.

[2:37:10] These are leftover.

[2:37:12] I use that term.

[2:37:13] From when the city used to fully employ performance measurements,

[2:37:16] but we still utilize goals.

[2:37:19] And my one recollection, I remember a debate,

[2:37:22] are council goals telling city staff what to do versus council goals being that

[2:37:30] work to councils willing to undertake individually or as a body of its own

[2:37:36] accord. So on that note, I'm going to turn it over to Debbie Burr, remember

[2:37:40] some of those lively debates. The correctists went back and forth several years

[2:37:46] in different directions. The best laid plan is for the council to set their goals

[2:37:52] and their priorities when we start early in the year for every treat because that also provides

[2:37:57] direction for departments when they develop their working budgets.

[2:38:01] But keeping in mind sometimes the departments need to also communicate on what's attainable

[2:38:06] and not attainable.

[2:38:07] But at least we know what the priorities are because you are working on behalf of our citizens

[2:38:12] and our residents and we are trying to accomplish those directions and so it's a little bit

[2:38:18] mix keeping in mind if we have the workload to do them and sometimes a goal in order to

[2:38:25] set a goal you have to have objectives which are ways to accomplish the goal and you

[2:38:31] have to have measures because if you can't measure a goal you'll never know if you accomplish

[2:38:36] it. So does that help?

[2:38:45] I don't know if you want to go over these

[2:38:47] mayors since you were helped with it two years ago with these being formed, you know.

[2:38:51] I think it'd be helpful if the rean and you could review in the last budget document what the council identified.

[2:38:59] This is the budget document two years ago.

[2:39:01] So the first one is economic development.

[2:39:04] The goal was to develop a long-term economic development.

[2:39:07] Objective is supportive of the college with the regional Allied Health Expansion and Western Washington University

[2:39:12] Capital Improvements and discussed joint utilization and planning issues related to the college campus and

[2:39:16] field outs. You want to encourage development of the C2, 3 and 4 commercial zones for housing

[2:39:22] and community centers outside the historic downtown area and you want to explore the creative

[2:39:27] arts district designation. Would you like me to stop on this one or read through the other

[2:39:33] three goals?

[2:39:38] As to the economic development, I can affirm that myself and now Pam Crow who's our

[2:39:42] liaison to the University and College of Working very hard on this. We had a meeting three weeks ago,

[2:39:48] We're going to have a meeting coming up in November.

[2:39:53] So that one remains viable and ongoing.

[2:39:57] It's Council concurred with that.

[2:40:02] So, just for some other clarity too, last time we did this, there wasn't a whole lot of interest in the whole council as a whole to drafting these.

[2:40:11] So, what happened is, Ed Riannen and I sat down and did this.

[2:40:16] And so, as you can look at this first one, you can pretty much tell who wrote what.

[2:40:20] Yes, and who why it says what it says because this was Ed Riannid and I and this is what I liked and what Ed liked so

[2:40:31] Rather than it being what I liked in Ed liked we this should be more of a comprehensive with the whole council wants so

[2:40:41] Like further down

[2:40:44] Which one is it? Well, I'm just gonna say like so revenue it used to say

[2:40:53] for downtown revitalize downtown.

[2:40:58] We changed that word because it's like downtown is vital.

[2:41:01] We don't need to revitalize anything.

[2:41:03] So we made it into comprehensive improvement

[2:41:05] and modernization strategy.

[2:41:07] But this was very much a, we wrote it,

[2:41:10] brought it to the council and the council said,

[2:41:12] sure, it sounds good.

[2:41:13] So I would encourage that we don't do that this time.

[2:41:17] Can I explain to you how the goals are set?

[2:41:20] A goal should be a very short statement of things that you want to accomplish.

[2:41:25] Your objective is how you are working to accomplish the goal and then the measurement actually

[2:41:32] is the steps that the goal is accomplished or sometimes when it's just making improvements

[2:41:38] it's measuring to make those steps along the way so that's how they're laid out.

[2:41:43] Doug, you are motioning toward your microphone.

[2:41:46] You still want it, Doug Nual.

[2:41:51] Anybody else in OK, here he comes.

[2:41:57] Oh, why is one from many decades of service to our city?

[2:42:01] I'm sorry, I mean, a smart ass that's late at night.

[2:42:05] How often did historically have we pulled these out

[2:42:08] and actually worked them like on a quarterly basis?

[2:42:12] I guess I'm trying to get to,

[2:42:16] You're expressing my limited knowledge of what I think, I mean, do we use this as an active tool

[2:42:25] or is this an opportunity for us to align the seven of us on city council to what we want to ask the city of?

[2:42:36] Or I guess what's the value proposition for this document?

[2:42:45] Okay, Brits showing more.

[2:42:49] I can provide a little history too.

[2:42:53] It's absolutely correct.

[2:42:56] We've established goals and they're looked at probably once a year at the minimum.

[2:43:02] Or I guess, and then usually it's developed every two years when we're doing the by any old budget.

[2:43:07] It has been discussed of should we be bringing them back to measure to see if we're a accomplishment.

[2:43:12] I think we've looked at as a staff as a more of a general picture if this is a council

[2:43:17] goal.

[2:43:17] What are we doing in our departments to help you accomplish that goal?

[2:43:20] It's more of a vision and a leading statement.

[2:43:22] But they're year goals and we can develop them and work with them anyway you want.

[2:43:26] But yeah, you're right.

[2:43:27] We don't look at them very often.

[2:43:29] I would say that from my viewpoint, as a member of the Legislative, we're here to enable

[2:43:35] the city to be successful and we should be actively working to support the city's

[2:43:42] in their efforts to make it.

[2:43:46] Instead of it being, hey, what is it that the council's working on?

[2:43:51] We're working to enable the city to be successful.

[2:43:54] What are the goals of the city?

[2:43:56] And that's what our focus should be.

[2:43:58] But that's,

[2:44:03] as I look at these goals,

[2:44:04] I sort of see these goals as really more of a vision,

[2:44:08] which I think is our purpose,

[2:44:11] is to set that vision and then enable the city to enact that vision through explicit objectives.

[2:44:20] Great, but we have inside of the comp plan, you know, page after page after goals.

[2:44:29] I guess in my mind, this is up for debate.

[2:44:32] What is the priority?

[2:44:35] And if we have something I believe we should be actively working at,

[2:44:39] instead of looking at it once every two years, and that was my question to the, and I would never call

[2:44:46] Brit that the Elder State's woman, but I can do that to you at. And I appreciate it deeply,

[2:44:54] but very deeply. I will say there's one exception to this occasionally.

[2:45:00] One or two or more of the council feel strongly about an effort to program a vision. That's not captured by city staff or in their budget or resource.

[2:45:11] And it is an ability for that individual or a couple of council to go back to council and so to speak get a green light to pursue this, not just embedded in the city.

[2:45:26] And oh, great example was over 25 years ago broadband.

[2:45:30] The city had no way to address that.

[2:45:32] The staff was busy with all the existing things.

[2:45:35] We ran up by council and they said,

[2:45:36] if you want to pursue that, we support that,

[2:45:39] but it's going to be on you.

[2:45:40] And that gave me enough leeway to approach the KPUD.

[2:45:44] I'd report back from time to time.

[2:45:47] So there is the opportunity for council individually

[2:45:51] or in some combination to pursue a vision or goal

[2:45:55] that doesn't have to be embraced or directly resource by the city, if there's enough passion or vision to try to accomplish such.

[2:46:05] Yeah, like I've done as much homework as I can do on a creative arts district and pass it along,

[2:46:11] but instead of point where I can read it again and again and again,

[2:46:16] there's no much more I can do without resource decisions,

[2:46:20] and which had to be made before we can apply,

[2:46:23] which had to be made before we could go to the community groups

[2:46:26] and ask them for support, like the next steps.

[2:46:30] So I've done the homework.

[2:46:32] I've filled out the application, probably about 85% of it.

[2:46:38] I've made maps.

[2:46:40] I've done a lot of, you know, I made a very rough presentation

[2:46:44] with the council.

[2:46:45] I've done a bunch of stuff on that,

[2:46:47] but I've reached a point of, I can't do any more of my own, and I passed it along.

[2:46:53] So, yeah, like I said, there's things here.

[2:46:55] I mean, like you said about the confidence of plan.

[2:46:58] I asked a bunch of ties when we were doing that, because, yeah, some of this is in there,

[2:47:01] and I kept saying, well, what point do we actually talk about that piece?

[2:47:05] Because it's already was written, and we never talked about it, and now we're back.

[2:47:11] So, I agree, we should be pulling this out.

[2:47:13] If we write it, we should use it.

[2:47:16] One of the goals, synchronize public works and engineering

[2:47:20] to implement, on periods of a front street with improved studies.

[2:47:25] When we talked about that, the idea was,

[2:47:28] we've got a whole bunch of studies we've done.

[2:47:30] We had studies we were doing.

[2:47:32] They're all complimentary, but not necessarily overlapping.

[2:47:36] Maybe we should hear about, once a quarter,

[2:47:38] we should hear about that effort.

[2:47:40] But that's a direction to staff, and staff direction

[2:47:42] is not in the school.

[2:47:44] So it was, how do we tie these things together?

[2:47:48] But if we don't bring it out in a year,

[2:47:50] which we haven't brought it out in the year,

[2:47:52] other than occasionally,

[2:47:54] Bruton, I'd say, how would it get into a front street?

[2:47:57] It doesn't, we're just not touching these.

[2:48:00] So that's what I was saying.

[2:48:01] I would like this to be either, we don't do it.

[2:48:05] We say, this is not something we should do.

[2:48:07] We put it away.

[2:48:08] Or we do a more robust way of doing it.

[2:48:11] care it down, have a couple of things that we're really going to do and we really do.

[2:48:16] Can I make a suggestion maybe if it goes back to council member Nules comment about all

[2:48:23] the goals that we have within our comprehensive plan that is our guiding document for the

[2:48:28] next 20 years that sort of drives all the our capital facilities our CIPs you name it.

[2:48:36] But there's a whole bunch of other goals in there that are those aspirational ones that

[2:48:40] bubble up as the part of the creation of that plan. Maybe one way to approach it is to go through

[2:48:47] the plan and identify the goals that Council would like to focus on for the next for the

[2:49:06] provide that emphasis and then be able to make those incremental accomplishments towards the goals.

[2:49:14] Just a thought.

[2:49:15] Doug Taper.

[2:49:17] So just to kind of clarify that point.

[2:49:20] So this is more of looking at the compliance saying, okay, here are some goals that bubble

[2:49:23] up and are we tracking on them or are we dropping them based on other things that have developed?

[2:49:29] Because as a company, with Compland was developed, let's say, 160 days ago, another year

[2:49:35] from now, where are we landing on the Compland in general and on the goals for Council?

[2:49:41] And I was just going to say, this is a lot of this, like, Ancillary goals, and they change a lot.

[2:49:45] Because our core goals, right, public safety, financial stability, infrastructure, public

[2:49:49] works, sustainable development, maintaining our natural resources, those don't change.

[2:49:53] That's our bread and butter.

[2:49:54] But the ancillary stuff that's in the comp plan that we set and then years go by

[2:50:00] That's kind of, how do we track those? Is this kind of what I feel like we're kind of discussing?

[2:50:05] Can I just add, we have in the budget document with very few people read. There is all of the goals, I'm just saying a truth.

[2:50:16] There are, we have incorporated the goals from the comprehensive plan.

[2:50:21] And those are your guiding principle and goals. The difference between these is these are the council's working goals.

[2:50:26] So if we can go back to the first goal, so what I would say is your first goal is you want

[2:50:31] to, and economic, or you want to develop some long-term economic development.

[2:50:35] What you guys have done is you participate in Kita.

[2:50:38] You go and you visit the businesses, you're tracking, you know, you're going into the city

[2:50:43] and you're setting a zone that encourages economic development.

[2:50:46] So this is a working goal of what you're doing to continue to develop long-term economic development.

[2:50:52] So I think you're working on it and you don't even realize it because as part of your

[2:50:56] natural day-to-day functions as a council.

[2:50:59] So I think that's just putting into words what you guys

[2:51:03] where your priorities are and how you want to develop those.

[2:51:07] And that's how I see it.

[2:51:08] And everybody can see it different.

[2:51:09] Does that tell you?

[2:51:10] I've been here 28 years.

[2:51:12] And every time we go through goals, they're different.

[2:51:14] And I kind of raise a white flag sometimes,

[2:51:16] because it gets really hard to get everybody's opinion

[2:51:19] and direction on the same one.

[2:51:21] Can I ask a question?

[2:51:23] Does this benefit you in the budget process?

[2:51:26] Are these helpful in some way?

[2:51:30] These are the council working goals, so do they help me not really unless I know.

[2:51:36] If I know that you are in here and you are emphasizing, for instance, you guys have said a goal before we want to get a public workshop build.

[2:51:42] We know that's a priority.

[2:51:44] I've heard very loud speaking when we're talking about our long term city improvement plan or capital improvement plan.

[2:51:52] Front street is a goal for you.

[2:51:53] So engineering department has heard that and they've reparturized the work on that.

[2:51:58] So some of those absolute earguning goals, this developing economic development that's more

[2:52:03] in Heather's department, so maybe she's followed some of those trends to help support that.

[2:52:07] Personally, I have not other than tracking the sales tax, so some of them are and some of them are

[2:52:13] strictly what you guys are emphasizing.

[2:52:16] We're going to come, departments are going to come and pitch their budget requests regardless of

[2:52:22] council goals, but I agree with everything you just said. And I would add to this that I guess

[2:52:28] a goal that wasn't put up there at the time, maybe because we had votes to get through or whatever,

[2:52:37] but a very serious goal for me is we've implemented a hybrid paid parking model. We need to

[2:52:44] make good on our word and take the revenue and fix the parking problem, which was ultimately

[2:52:51] the reason for all of this in the first place. So we can't drop the ball on that. So for me that's

[2:52:57] that's an intense drive to make sure that we work on the solutions to put that revenue to use.

[2:53:15] So, so

[2:53:20] then if there is value,

[2:53:30] it wasn't going to ask you the answer to the question, but now that you did.

[2:53:38] I get sent to, you know, what is it that we want to work on?

[2:53:43] If this is helpful to the 7 of us and then there's tangentially, it helps us get aligned

[2:53:49] and the mayor and city administrator and budget team can help.

[2:53:54] My sense is this last time that was eight o'clock, probably was eight o'clock two years ago

[2:54:01] this time meeting that we kind of with, you know, right, right. And so it's

[2:54:10] since to me we almost need to have an offsite to sit down and actually get a

[2:54:14] line on goals or it's a collection of individual thoughts that might have

[2:54:21] some thought. I don't know how to get from here to something actionable without

[2:54:27] quite a bit of effort. And if we don't believe we want to spend that time compared to other things we want to work on.

[2:54:37] So I think that's a quick follow up.

[2:54:41] We have had two retreats. And at least one of those, if not both of those, we had something called Council goals that we listed out is this not that and could this be that.

[2:54:56] You

[2:55:06] Yeah, if we can, I think we're going to have to have, yes, a completely separate meeting or retreat to focus on council goals.

[2:55:17] I, well, you know what, this is becoming like really, it should be straightforward, but I think that is just a little redundant and no offense.

[2:55:34] and the fact that you set down and you wrote it.

[2:55:39] But because there are comprehensive plans, moments in here,

[2:55:44] if there's a way that we can just set aside some time,

[2:55:48] I'm open to that so that we can focus on the goals

[2:55:50] and make sure it does match as well with supporting

[2:55:56] the comprehensive plan and other elements.

[2:55:59] And also I'd like to see the impacts.

[2:56:01] What goals in here might impact the department or budget dollars that we're not considering?

[2:56:08] And call that out. I admit, I have a hard time kind of, it's like, yes, that's a goal,

[2:56:14] great objective, but what are the impacts and reference to that? Does that make sense?

[2:56:23] Yeah, something else kind of also occurs to me, which is that I think the biggest part of our job here

[2:56:31] is responding to residents and what they want.

[2:56:36] So we can list out all our goals,

[2:56:39] but if it's not in alignment,

[2:56:40] we're gonna keep shifting as we should.

[2:56:45] So I don't know, I guess in six years,

[2:56:48] I haven't necessarily seen what the benefit,

[2:56:51] although I can look at some of this and say,

[2:56:53] you know what I think objective stuff,

[2:56:58] like we get things done.

[2:57:00] I just don't know if all of the time and effort into this document that we hardly ever pull out and don't even know it to find it is like,

[2:57:09] yes, yes, necessary or useful.

[2:57:14] I think that's great.

[2:57:15] I think that's great feedback.

[2:57:17] So we can take that back.

[2:57:19] This is very fascinating.

[2:57:21] We will sort of noodle on if there is a draft that we could circulate.

[2:57:26] And, or potentially, we could solicit from you just from a very quick survey,

[2:57:31] potential goals and or objectives that would support that goal and then we could look at compiling that so that everybody has an opportunity to

[2:57:40] have some input in that and we can bring it back.

[2:57:43] It's not like it has to be done tomorrow.

[2:57:45] We just know that next week was going to be a very full workshop and we wanted to make sure we had plenty of time for that.

[2:57:51] Yeah, I mean, I personally would love to put together some goals and send them in, and then

[2:57:57] for customer.

[2:57:59] Whatever.

[2:58:00] Whatever.

[2:58:00] But I'm saying, I would guess that some of us are going to have overlap.

[2:58:06] And so that way, you can sort of see where there's shared interests.

[2:58:10] I mean, objective three Explore Creative Arts District.

[2:58:13] I know Britsman interested in another designation for the downtown that's kind of a complimentary.

[2:58:21] And so, yeah, it seems like we could find those little nuggets of intersection and that would kind of create a list.

[2:58:31] I want to thank Rianna for this, but I'm going to think about it.

[2:58:37] Sounds a cool.

[2:58:39] Thank you, Debbie.

[2:58:40] Thank you, Rianna.

[2:58:40] Thank you, Rob.

[2:58:41] We are moving toward the end of the workshop agenda.

[2:58:45] We are at that portion, which is questions and concerns of the council and our future agenda items.

[2:58:52] Let's start with Brett and then Layton will just work our way around the table if there's anything.

[2:58:59] So this is pertaining to the conversation that I had with you, and, oh, Rob, where are you going?

[2:59:07] Oh, no, no, no.

[2:59:11] You better not leave.

[2:59:14] I think there was some misunderstanding in the last budget cycle regarding HDPA and watering.

[2:59:24] So I had a productive conversation with the mayor and Rob, because the HDPA is entrenched

[2:59:33] in trying to figure out its budget and how we can afford we, okay, HDPA hat goes on.

[2:59:42] how the HGPA can afford, you know, Christmas and all these things that people have come to expect

[2:59:49] and I think are really important. And getting diving deep into the budget, it became clear that

[2:59:56] is it's real tight, tight isn't it?

[3:00:00] Understatement.

[3:00:02] And so I looked over it and I said, oh, there's this line item for watering, $14,000 for watering, does that include the

[3:00:12] 6,000 that the city typically contributes.

[3:00:16] And the newer folks on the HEPA board weren't certain of what

[3:00:21] I was referring. And I said, well, just historically, we've always counsel has always approved

[3:00:28] contribution from the city towards watering. So, long in the short of it is, it seems like

[3:00:34] when we've had these outlier years like we did last year, where the watering was handled

[3:00:39] by the city and it was, there was a cost overrun being done on overtime, in that translation

[3:00:49] into the budget, it seems that we dropped the city contribution. Now, the city did contribute last

[3:00:56] or substantially it, the city paid for half and the HDP paid for the other half, which happened

[3:01:01] to be that 14,000. So I had some big concerns because I think it's still valuable.

[3:01:11] So all of that is to say, when is it coming back, Rob?

[3:01:15] So I actually filled out a budget request that will be before Council is part of the budget process

[3:01:22] to identify or just appropriate a certain amount of funding to do the planters in the watering period.

[3:01:31] And I think it boils down to the conversation in many ways that we started last year.

[3:01:38] What is that level of service that Council wants to have for the community?

[3:01:44] What's that first impression that front door that we want to our visitors and our residents to experience downtown?

[3:01:55] And if that is an appropriate investment on an ongoing basis by the city.

[3:02:01] Okay, thank you.

[3:02:02] I just kind of wanted to prep you guys, though, because we've had these conversations, you know, on this kind of cyclical basis.

[3:02:09] This became a little bit of an emergency because we're trying to plan for and fund Christmas.

[3:02:15] And if we don't have that room in the budget, I mean, I have to cancel it.

[3:02:22] And one thing that we can do when we start the conversation about putting front street back together

[3:02:27] and how is we can start looking at some of these things and figuring out better ways to do them

[3:02:33] where we don't have these kind of costs.

[3:02:34] So, Britt knows, I went and took pictures of another city who has watering systems built

[3:02:41] into their street, fixtures that water the plants at the push of a button.

[3:02:47] We could look at banner holders that don't require public works to get up on a ladder

[3:02:53] before everybody shows up before the morning and like Jeff has at the edges of the city

[3:02:58] for the big banners.

[3:02:59] So we can, when we have that conversation, I would suggest that we keep in mind the things that we keep bringing up as little things but add up and figure out a more technological way going forward for some manpower way to work these things in.

[3:03:17] I just wanted you to be aware that this was going to be coming back again.

[3:03:24] These are the things that make our city special.

[3:03:26] I said this before, we can't go without flowers downtown.

[3:03:31] I don't care how they occur, but we can't.

[3:03:34] We can't go without having Christmas lights downtown.

[3:03:36] That's not her holiday lights, whatever we want to call.

[3:03:39] That's not going to happen.

[3:03:41] So we just need to sit there and say, this is part of our downtown.

[3:03:44] I still consider that to be part of our park's district if we need to budget for it.

[3:03:50] But that is part of what makes our town unique.

[3:03:53] And we can't let those kind of things drop because we can't figure out

[3:03:56] how to water some flowers.

[3:03:59] Late.

[3:04:01] I guess I just officially want to say at some point

[3:04:04] I'd like us to talk about our trees

[3:04:06] and saving the trees.

[3:04:09] For sure, yeah.

[3:04:11] Michael, anything to share?

[3:04:13] Question, concerns, future agenda?

[3:04:16] Yeah, I do.

[3:04:17] And I suppose I kind of want to ask you guys

[3:04:19] if it's OK to bring this up tonight.

[3:04:22] But I did have a concern

[3:04:27] that is related to paid parking but it's not directly a part of our parking resolution and

[3:04:32] it's concerning the decision to increase our parking violation fines. Is that something

[3:04:39] that I can explain tonight or would you prefer me to wait?

[3:04:50] So I've spent a good part

[3:04:53] of the last two weeks down town hanging out with patrons talking to business owners.

[3:05:00] Letting people ask me questions, trying to help them with the app, getting feedback. And sometimes, when I see

[3:05:07] those little scraps of paper on the windshields, I will linger around those cars. And if I see a patron coming

[3:05:13] to that, back to the car, I will identify myself and say, it looks like you have a parking

[3:05:20] citation on your windshield, where you aware that there's paid parking now in this lot. And most

[3:05:26] the time the response that I've been getting is no, we were not aware. We come to polls

[3:05:32] always all the time, it's been free. But if we had been aware, we would be happy to pay.

[3:05:38] I mean, these are people who are not bothered by the fact that there's paid parking. But

[3:05:45] then they grabbed the ticket and they see the dollar amount. And the responses that I've

[3:05:50] been hearing have been something like the following. I would have been happy to pay. And

[3:05:56] understand that a fine covers what I owed plus a little extra to remind me for next time,

[3:06:01] but $60, $30 tells me, hey, remember this next time, $60 says don't come back, and I've

[3:06:11] heard this from quite a few people now. And I think that this is problematic because we want

[3:06:19] people to buy into this program. And right now we have people who support paid parking and

[3:06:24] are willing to pay for pay parking, joining the course of I'm not coming back to polls vote

[3:06:29] because of the fines, because of the citations, because they owed $6 and are now paying

[3:06:36] $60. And when we change the rates after October 15th, it's going to be somebody who owed

[3:06:42] $50 for a half hour stop that are now going to have to pay $60. Now, some of you know

[3:06:51] So when I was in Spokane recently for the AWC Conference, I got a parking ticket and Spokane

[3:06:56] finally $30.

[3:06:59] So I'm not really clear why if we're a small municipality, we're having double what a big

[3:07:04] city like Spokane wants to charge.

[3:07:07] Now, I just want you guys to know I was here in the audience for the 14 May and the 13 August

[3:07:14] 25 meetings where you guys discussed the increase, and at that time, I didn't really understand

[3:07:22] the conversation the way I do now, but that time there were some of us who were talking

[3:07:26] about fines as high as $75 or $100. And that compromise was 60. And I want us again to

[3:07:35] think that that's for somebody who owes a dollar, who didn't pay a dollar to park for an hour

[3:07:40] on a slow Monday and February.

[3:07:44] So I think we want fines that educate people on the rules,

[3:07:47] not fines that tell people to get out of town.

[3:07:50] So I would like us to think about a future agenda item

[3:07:54] where we reconsider that fine.

[3:07:57] And look at ordinance 25, 15, and say,

[3:08:01] maybe this should go back to $30 as part of promoting

[3:08:04] our paid parking program.

[3:08:06] Brit, men, no.

[3:08:10] First off, I want to say I'm open and receptive to what you're saying and what you're hearing from others.

[3:08:18] If I stretch my mind back to when we had these conversations, you know, we started with the enforcement piece.

[3:08:26] And I think it was, the first goal was get employees out of the premium customer spots and tell them that we're serious about it.

[3:08:38] And so I think at that time, and I mean, 2020 vision, looking back, you know, from this perspective,

[3:08:47] I absolutely agree with what you're saying, like you owe a dollar or you owe $6 and a $60 fine feels

[3:08:55] very, very punitive.

[3:08:58] But I think that context of how we got here was around trying to change behavior and see some progress

[3:09:07] in that realm, and then we've moved forward with these other steps, and so, I mean I'm open to revisiting that question, because I agree it is pretty heavy considering now we are charging generally for the lot.

[3:09:28] Doug Null.

[3:09:30] I think there's a lot of things that could be discussed in this space and my thought as we try to organize them at the time of the future we can do it database instead of one of the time.

[3:09:41] So we can look at it holistically. I think that's part of something that should be considered, you know,

[3:09:50] trying to hesitate and stop myself going down a freaking rabbit hole.

[3:09:54] that dollar if we're paying the flat one for each turns into 25 cents.

[3:10:04] So, that's a 60 cents to us.

[3:10:09] Yes.

[3:10:11] So, then a question becomes a little, do we even bother asking people to do something where we're only collecting 60 cents?

[3:10:19] I think all of that, as soon as we start this, I think there's going to be 20 little pieces.

[3:10:25] Because I think it probably has worked for its own workshop.

[3:10:29] It's sometime at the future where we've got some run time, and we can sit down and look

[3:10:32] at it holistically, would be my suggestion.

[3:10:37] Rick.

[3:10:38] Yeah, and I'd like to proceed with to try to remember back, but I think a lot of it had to do

[3:10:44] two with $30 was low enough that people would say, I'll risk it, and especially when they

[3:10:53] go to the they can challenge the ticket and the judge will cut it in half. And so at that point,

[3:10:59] the city is full of a Jenga 15-hour fine on hundreds of dollars of staff time between the

[3:11:06] officer, the court clerk, the judge,

[3:11:11] and you know we hadn't and we hadn't changed parking fines

[3:11:14] in a decade or two. And so that was a member of the conversation. It's yeah it's 30 and it

[3:11:23] It really ends up being 15, and it's costing us 300, and people will just, or just, or just gambling, I won't get caught, and if I do, it's only going to cost me a small amount of money.

[3:11:36] Doubling it to 60 was high enough to make people pay attention and go, yeah, if I don't do this right, it is going to cost me a little bit of money, which still, the judge can knock the 30, and still achieve some of the same.

[3:11:52] I'm not, it's worth the risk to me.

[3:11:56] So, and that is the time point

[3:11:57] where we were going to charge $2, not three.

[3:12:01] So, this has been a lot of moving flexing.

[3:12:07] So, he arrived.

[3:12:08] It was a higher fine, and it went down the 60.

[3:12:12] But part of it was, we were, we had not kept pace

[3:12:15] with the inflation of the cost of even processing

[3:12:18] that ticket for a very long time.

[3:12:21] So, all of this is, we can look at all of it, but like Ed did ask, we give the staff space to figure this out before we keep, we keep poking at it.

[3:12:34] Michael anything else?

[3:12:37] I just want to emphasize that my posture right now is not questioning what we've done.

[3:12:42] It's trying to sell what we've done and that's what I've been trying to do the last two weeks as being ambassador for the city

[3:12:49] And say, how can I make this the most attractive that it can be, because if we're going to do it, I would like it to succeed.

[3:12:57] And I just want us to be aware that at the moment, our fines are a hindrance to that work.

[3:13:06] Layton.

[3:13:08] I appreciate the sentiment behind waiting and giving us a full time for fidelity.

[3:13:17] I also know that human behavior changes very quickly.

[3:13:22] And if we let too much time go,

[3:13:27] the sentiments of these people who are like,

[3:13:30] you're not telling me not to come, we lose them.

[3:13:33] And they don't come back because they find a new coffee shop,

[3:13:36] they find a new place to go.

[3:13:38] So I just would ask that we be thoughtful about not waiting until March

[3:13:44] to start looking at it, which means we're not even talking about it

[3:13:48] until June, we're not making changes until August,

[3:13:51] and we've had an entire summer of angst and lack of response,

[3:13:58] for some things that we know are problematic.

[3:14:06] Let's swing the table around to wreck, wreck any questions,

[3:14:10] concerns, food care, gender items, nothing, Pam,

[3:14:13] questions, concerns.

[3:14:15] Yes, and reference to the community read that's coming up.

[3:14:18] I was just wanting to get a concurrence to be able to not spend $1,800, but have that as something

[3:14:27] set aside to support the community read.

[3:14:30] So thumbs up.

[3:14:32] Okay.

[3:14:32] Thank you.

[3:14:35] Doug Null.

[3:14:36] Future agenda items.

[3:14:38] Doug Tabor.

[3:14:40] Related to the parking.

[3:14:43] I would probably vote yes on it.

[3:14:45] If someone were to put a motion up for $40.

[3:14:48] Otherwise, I'd be on the table of waiting to examine everything going lower, but I

[3:14:53] don't.

[3:14:54] I could be convinced, I don't know.

[3:14:56] And then on another note, related to B&O, that has been brought up, sir.

[3:15:01] I think I would like to see that as a part of a, you know, as the series of conversations about affordability, kind of what you've alluded to, parking could be one, the B&O, raising the exemption there, it could be one, and other aspects, and I think a good time would be after this year's budget cycle, and after the new financial software is successfully.

[3:15:25] and perfectly put in place, so probably I asked Deb just now, so that's probably sometimes

[3:15:33] spring, which aligns with a lot of other things, I think, having more data and being able

[3:15:38] to look or close to that different items.

[3:15:41] So I really look forward to looking at the, you know, raising the exemption there and looking

[3:15:45] at how, what that would, you know, the numbers around that, so that would give plenty of

[3:15:49] time to look those numbers, come to full fruition.

[3:15:54] And in front of Debbie's remark, if the Council were to undertake that, that could be post-dated

[3:16:00] for a point in time in the biennial budget.

[3:16:03] That's identified as the best way to implement both software and strategically.

[3:16:09] I just want to put the expectations out.

[3:16:12] We're looking at software and it's a separate B&O program which will be able to implement

[3:16:15] sooner than the full ERP.

[3:16:17] I don't want everybody to think the full ERP will be done by the spring because that's

[3:16:24] And also just a piggyback on that we do have programs on the 16th in the workshop as a conversation amongst council to help us define some of the things that got on to future agendas so that we can better support that when it comes forward.

[3:16:41] So, excellent, Rob.

[3:16:43] Okay, we are going to call for continued public comment if there is any public.

[3:16:49] And we'll call one more time for continued public comment.

[3:16:54] Not seeing any last closing mayor or council comments.

[3:16:58] I just want to thank Rob for staying.

[3:17:03] I would entertain a motion to adjourn.

[3:17:07] I have a motion in second all in favor, please say aye.

[3:17:10] Aye.

[3:17:11] The Council stands adjourned.

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