[0:04] Good evening. I'd like to call to order tonight's Powell Operations Committee meeting for September 15th. Elaine, could you call the roll? Leave Carlson here. Our list Crawford is absent. Just a sunny here. Thank you, Harvey. Okay. The first item on our agenda is approval of last meeting's minutes. They were all included in your packet. Can we get a consensus?

[0:34] to approve those minutes.

[0:36] So moved.

[0:37] All in favor?

[0:38] Yes, sir.

[0:38] All right, great.

[0:39] Minutes are approved.

[0:41] Tonight's business, item A is massage,

[0:45] parlor regulations for exploration and review.

[0:52] Take it away, Andy.

[0:55] So since we talked about it last step is undertaken,

[0:59] an exercise that kind of look at historical record,

[1:01] and I can't remember what we talked about previously,

[1:04] But there was discussion, I think, far as 2015 that came to fruition with a mock-up ordinance,

[1:12] which is included in the back of 2019.

[1:15] There were several meetings of public discussion, not well attended, counsel at the time, directed

[1:21] staff conducted public hearing, which was set and conducted.

[1:27] that we heard on the record mainly from businesses

[1:31] that were concerned over the duplication

[1:33] of a licensing program in place with the state

[1:37] and the potential for redundant costs.

[1:40] And then we went to the fall of 2019.

[1:43] There was a row of staff turnover positions

[1:47] that I wanted up to found and the whole world shut down

[1:50] and we moved on to other things.

[1:52] This was talked about again in 2022,

[1:54] do, but it's tied on the vine.

[1:58] So the conversation we had earlier,

[2:01] with some experts in the field earlier this year,

[2:03] and some of the activities of concern noted throughout the

[2:06] country, but Central High as well,

[2:08] we've now undertaken more of a comprehensive review.

[2:11] There are several items for you to review of examples

[2:14] in other communities.

[2:16] Chief has worked very well, and as a presentation,

[2:20] we'd like to present to you tonight,

[2:21] which kind of gives you a myriad of options that are in place in other communities.

[2:26] We've kind of settled in in a hybrid recommendation for you.

[2:30] We wanted to present that tonight from feedback and see how you feel about the options that we've kind of settled on.

[2:35] If that's comfortable with modification without, we can then begin to work with legal and

[2:42] legislator to bring this before council for adoption.

[2:45] With that, I would appreciate the opportunity to allow the chief to provide the committee with his presentation.

[2:51] And then we can answer questions along the way.

[2:53] Please feel free to stop at the same time.

[2:55] Chief.

[2:56] Good evening, Chairman Carlson and members of the Operations Committee.

[3:00] Tonight's discussion is really a continuation from our July,

[3:03] meaning where we had some individuals,

[3:07] Aaron Dennis from Ohio, organ and crime,

[3:09] the Central Human Trafficking Task Force,

[3:11] and Detective Sergeant Ryan Pence,

[3:13] who was the lead investigator on the two incidents

[3:16] that we had here in the city of Powell earlier this year,

[3:19] here, and then also back in 2015.

[3:25] How criminal investigations involving the human trafficking, and we're going to look at some potential legislation tonight, and for dealing with these illicit massage businesses.

[3:35] Again, the discussion tonight is intended to determine the direction that we should take regarding possible massage ordinance.

[3:43] The goal is not to target any legitimate massage therapists or businesses.

[3:48] The purpose of the review is to go over some of the Ohio communities to decide what tools

[3:55] and options Powell may use to protect public safety, have legitimate businesses, and

[4:02] the safety of our community.

[4:07] Most besides businesses that I said in the City of Powell operate lawfully in our legitimate

[4:11] services.

[4:12] However, Powell has had, again, those prior investigations of these illicit businesses.

[4:18] Existing criminal laws may not always provide the best intervention tools for us.

[4:23] A local ordinance would help identify who owns and operates these businesses,

[4:28] verify proper licensure, establish clear operating guidelines, and

[4:35] address and provide administrative remedies for when problems become more difficult to deal with.

[4:42] In your packets, you've been given some ordnance from five other communities, and then also the draft legislation that the City of Powell had from 2019.

[4:54] So, yes, was able to provide an ordnance from the City of Cincinnati.

[5:00] Annatty and Westerville. Our clerk was able to get one from the city of Delaware, and then Aaron Dennis, who was here in July, he had recommended Strongesville and

[5:14] Danis ordinances that we should consider, so those are there for you to review as well.

[5:25] Ohio already regulates massage therapy through the state medical board licensing. The question for

[5:32] or how is whether the state licensing alone is enough or whether the city should regulate

[5:36] the business location and the operations further.

[5:39] Other Ohio communities rely on the higher vice code.

[5:43] Authorities for municipal regulation and licensing of massage related businesses.

[5:48] The city of Delaware for instance has an ordinance that specifically is for zoning related, gives

[5:53] them the authority for public health, safety and welfare basis for local action.

[5:57] Rather

[6:01] than covering each of the sections of these community ordinances,

[6:05] they really break down into three different general categories.

[6:10] Delaware uses a zoning focused approach.

[6:14] Westerville and Powell's 2019 draft, they use a registration model.

[6:19] While Picker intense Cincinnati is strong, they'll use more comprehensive licensing models.

[6:25] The committee does not have to copy one ordinance exactly.

[6:28] Paul can choose a balanced approach to fit our size administrative capacity and our enforcement needs.

[6:47] So, Paul has already has a useful starting point in the 2019 proposed ordinance.

[6:54] That draft language required registration certificate, a zoning certificate, certificate

[7:00] of occupancy, verification of massage treatments that were performed only by licensed or exempt

[7:07] individuals, such as physicians, chiropractors, podiatrist, nurses, or other health professionals.

[7:14] It also provided for renewal, inspection, prohibited conduct.

[7:20] There's an appeal process with that as well as penalty provisions.

[7:27] Other cities add provisions that maybe we're considering.

[7:31] Pick and TIN requires criminal history information, fingerprints, and photographs as part of

[7:35] the application process.

[7:37] Since an addy uses a police review that includes inspection authority,

[7:43] Strongville even adds additional operating details,

[7:47] including posting services and fees,

[7:51] client and they must maintain client and service records,

[7:54] and restrictions for prohibiting sleeping or residing at the business.

[7:59] These provisions give the city more administrative tools,

[8:02] when businesses begin to be suspicious.

[8:10] A future power ordinance may establish registration or licensing or state licensing verification, owner operator disclosure, zoning and occupancy approval, sanitation standards,

[8:25] Posting credentials, employee and therapist rosters, inspection authority, prohibited conduct, appeal rights and penalties.

[8:35] The key is to make the ordinance enforceable without overburving legitimate state license professionals.

[8:44] So there are really three policy directions that we would go option one is the zoning and state licensing.

[8:51] this is the lease burdensome on an

[8:54] ministry. Option two would be the

[8:57] registration and then add some

[8:59] operating standards. This is a

[9:01] middle ground registration model.

[9:03] And then option three would be a

[9:06] comprehensive local licensing, which

[9:08] is the most comprehensive licensing

[9:10] model. So it takes more administrative

[9:12] work to follow through with that. My

[9:16] recommendation would be that we follow

[9:18] option two, which would be the

[9:20] registration and operating standards but then strengthen it with some of the select provisions

[9:23] from other communities.

[9:28] The committee's choice should balance again the enforcement value

[9:31] administrative costs, legal review and the burden on legitimate businesses. So you'll see

[9:38] here in this slide it provides a summary of some different approaches by the identified

[9:43] communities. Delaware is the lightest model, Westerville and Powell. The Powell draft are

[9:50] are the moderate registration models.

[9:53] It represents Cincinnati and Strongville again,

[9:56] are the more intensive licensing models.

[9:58] This comparison.

[10:00] Powell has flexibility and does not to choose all or nothing approach so we can make this fit our needs.

[10:10] Again, the recommended direction is updating the Powell 2019 registration model.

[10:15] This direction avoids duplicating state professional licensing processes.

[10:19] So as city manager alluded at the beginning of this discussion,

[10:23] the state already has a requirement for having a license process.

[10:27] I think we should follow that.

[10:29] There would be no reason for us to create our own licensing.

[10:31] it would be administratively burdensome.

[10:34] Plus, there would be some questions on how we would manage that.

[10:37] But it would allow us to create a local accountability for the businesses and the massage therapists.

[10:44] The city could add owner and operator screening, operating hour limits,

[10:49] employee roster requirements, sleeping again or residing on premises.

[10:54] Again, those posted services and fees, and then cleared denial and revocation standards.

[11:05] If the committee is inclined, we're looking for guidance from four staff on major policy choices.

[11:11] Again, registration versus licensing, whether background checks should be required.

[11:16] What hours should apply, whether sleeping on site should be prohibited.

[11:19] Who administers the ordinance and how inspections should occur?

[11:24] We also would need to consider non-brick and mortar massage businesses, such as mobile massage,

[11:29] or in residential massage and how these changes may affect the legitimate massage businesses.

[11:35] Or if we would want to have the grandfather clause where the existing businesses would be grandfathered,

[11:41] and then any new businesses or therapists that would come in would fall underneath the new ordinance.

[11:48] Staff will use this feedback and we'll work with legal to create a draft ordinance that could be brought back to this committee,

[11:56] or to City Council for further consideration.

[12:07] So the next step would be for the committee to select a preferred policy direction and

[12:11] authorize staff and a law director to prepare a revised ordinance.

[12:15] That draft would return to operations committee or council so that we could meet any recommendation

[12:21] that was made.

[12:23] And then the final ordinance should be again, the balance public safety and

[12:28] enforceability, constitutional, and specional requirements,

[12:32] and fairness to legitimate massage providers.

[12:37] So, thank you again.

[12:39] I hope that I've provided a good overview

[12:41] of some of our options.

[12:44] We do have members of staff and our law director present,

[12:47] so we're open for any feedback or any questions

[12:49] that you may have.

[12:56] Thank you, good to scroll back to.

[12:58] We

[13:02] could learn it there.

[13:03] I don't know which the right slide is, but yeah, that's great.

[13:09] Is there a follow-up to the chief's report?

[13:13] No other than from a legal perspective, I concur with the recommendation, I think based

[13:21] on reviewing some of the minutes in history of this, that was the path that the city had

[13:29] been on.

[13:30] and there was some discussion among some business owners

[13:36] and deference to kind of what the state was doing at the time

[13:40] and then it sort of fell off the radar during COVID

[13:42] and everything else.

[13:44] But I think the return to building off

[13:48] of what had been drafted is appropriate,

[13:51] is appropriate way forward.

[13:54] I think with some added operational tools

[14:00] to kind of protect the legitimate business community and protect the community from illegitimate

[14:06] operations. So I have to answer any specific questions but generally concur and agree with

[14:12] the recommendation for and can tailor a city of proposed city ordinance for this as council

[14:23] or this committee would like?

[14:36] No, I mean I, I, I, reading through some of the documentation I had some of these same questions of

[14:43] should there be, are we just taking the 2019 verbatim and adding to it or are we just taking it verbatim and moving forward?

[14:51] Like, so I think some, these are some of the very questions that I had, kind of reading through all the material.

[14:56] You know, I mean, again.

[15:00] And if we're looking for thoughts from the committee on these questions, then I would tend

[15:08] to agree, I think, like the ones that come to mind are, let's, you know, operating

[15:13] hours seem like an easy ad. It seems like it's pretty standard with some of the others.

[15:21] It'll kind of boxes in what you would expect. I think it would probably help enforcement

[15:27] to know like if I see people moving in and out on odd hours I have like some box

[15:32] that I can then say well hey what's going on here, felt like there's like the

[15:38] concept of at least for registration and background review having some

[15:41] degree of like when you're applying felt like that was reasonable to kind of go

[15:47] from where we are on that chart towards Cincinnati. I think if there's other

[15:57] questions like the like like local therapist licensure I tend to agree feels

[16:02] like the state has some of that why not just piggyback on that so some of those

[16:07] questions that you'd ask those are ones that came to mind for me like it seems

[16:11] like we could take what we have as a framework and then add some components and

[16:16] work with Yaz on what that would look like those are my initial thoughts. I think

[16:23] I think everything Matthew said makes sense to me as well.

[16:26] Have we heard it all from any of the existing businesses as this conversation has taken place over the last couple of months?

[16:35] Interesting. Okay, but I mean when you look at option two that seems to build off of what we already have.

[16:43] And I think adding in hours and when you see lights on at 2 a.m.

[16:48] That's going to pose some questions to our officers and I think everything else makes sense.

[16:52] Don't double back on what the state's already doing.

[16:55] Build off of it.

[16:57] Thank you.

[17:04] The whole point is to deter these businesses from coming to power.

[17:09] If we can officially do that through this, our job is to deter.

[17:15] What's existing here, we've got to figure that out.

[17:18] However, the police want to figure that out.

[17:20] This is really a deterrent you need for.

[17:22] And so whatever works that's efficient for staff that it makes it a little bit difficult

[17:28] to set up shop in our town.

[17:34] Yeah, I tend to agree.

[17:36] I really don't want to stand in the way of getting this to a legislative vote sometime

[17:44] this year.

[17:45] I think that's the accomplishment that I'm looking to get across the finish line.

[17:51] And I

[17:55] don't know the legal ins and outs of what allows you to go in and inspect these.

[18:00] And I just want you guys to have the tools in your toolbox that allows you to investigate

[18:07] something.

[18:08] And I mean, I trust what you guys are investigating in your intuition, and I just want you to have

[18:13] the tools in your toolbox that allow you to explore something that allows you to get in

[18:21] there looking she was going on and you know without being a burden to legitimate businesses.

[18:29] And I trust that you guys can thread that needle and legally I don't know how to draft

[18:36] that site.

[18:38] We can.

[18:39] I know.

[18:40] You can.

[18:41] And I think that's what's important.

[18:44] I think one thing that we consider the grandfather is that something that I would prefer

[18:55] I think that was one of the other questions and I thought the same thing as I did felt like

[19:00] this is carte blanche, like everybody's got to play by the same rules, if everyone's

[19:04] going to have the same opportunities, and if for some reason that scares you, my next

[19:11] question would be why, why does something like registering and setting hours scare you,

[19:19] So I have a great.

[19:21] And with mobile to the same thing we can kind of look at that and have them do same paperwork or do you think it would need to look much different?

[19:29] I would think if they were providing the services in the city of Paltwywood want them to follow the same ordinance and rules and guidelines.

[19:37] Again, the two cases that we add were brick and mortar stores and locations.

[19:41] We haven't dealt with mobile massage or even in-home massage that's going on, you know, if this committee or even council decided that they wanted to exempt them, we're not seeing those issues in our enforcement.

[20:00] There are not enforcement issues right now. If it became that, we could always return and modify that ordinance and add some restrictions at that time if it became a problem. But it just gives us other tools or options down the road to address something if we didn't need to now.

[20:19] How much in-home is more on the medical side of things where you tend to have higher licensure versus just a cattle?

[20:29] So I don't know that because we haven't had a registration process in place for that.

[20:36] But again, the law, the current state law already identifies exempt individuals.

[20:42] And those would be the ones your doctors, chiropractors, nurses, things that would already have some sort of licensure to do what they're doing.

[20:50] So do you want to include that in legislation?

[21:02] So we discussed this a little bit last Thursday at our leadership meeting, and Mr. Tyler had dealt with this issue previously, and he thought that it would be good for us to discuss that or take that into consideration.

[21:17] I'm not even aware if there is mobile massage happening in power, but I think it's something for us to consider.

[21:24] I

[21:27] guess when we talk about grandfathering and in theory I'm not opposed to grandfathering.

[21:38] My wife asked me a tricky question because they're doing hand massage or the manicure nails

[21:43] plot.

[21:44] Do they have to register?

[21:45] And I said, I don't know and I just I guess I don't know how far down the rabbit hole

[21:51] all this code.

[21:57] I know that's a crazy question, but no, I think it was some of the same questions

[22:03] that the city was receiving previously. How do you address hand massages at the lawns

[22:13] and head massages at spot nut spas and mobile massages.

[22:20] And the reality is I think you can graph this to carve out

[22:25] in a very tailored manner to say your working order

[22:31] business that makes 40 of you revenue from massages.

[22:39] And you define massages as you know.

[22:42] In a certain manner, then this legislation applies to you, and so I don't have the revenue of every business, but I suspect that you're, you know, salons and spas aren't making, deriving 75% of the revenue from, you know, hemisages or other types of massages.

[23:01] is although I do know that some salons do have a massage and

[23:07] juices employed there, so maybe it applies to if you're licensed in the state to do something that applies to you.

[23:16] There's a number of ways to tailor it, you know, it's more of a policy question of how far we want to go,

[23:22] especially with the mobile and the in-home.

[23:26] I think businesses where massages are sort of ancillary and you're not doing anything

[23:36] that requires a license, that's how you differentiate.

[23:43] In terms of the retroactivity or the grandfathering in, assuming we go the registration route, that

[23:53] can be applied retroactively to existing businesses because it is not a kind of substantive

[23:58] of law, it's a process, it's a registration.

[24:02] You can also grandfather them in explicitly in the legislation.

[24:06] I think you would have to if that's what you wanted.

[24:11] So I think the default is existing businesses would be subject to it unless they were, you

[24:18] know, expressly grandfathered in.

[24:21] We

[24:26] have a couple businesses that were probably qualified for that exception.

[24:33] Yeah, I would assume that there are some.

[24:36] I don't know.

[24:39] I don't know.

[24:40] I already have anything to add from a historical context.

[24:44] The only thing that I would add is, yeah, just right.

[24:48] We got into the discussion of what applies and what doesn't.

[24:51] And I think where we kind of landed previously was creating that exemption for businesses that already had

[25:00] We have their licensure through the state because why make them do it twice? Because they have to display it anyway. And I think for the most covers most of already existing businesses, you know, your chiropractor, your doctors, they're already operating under a different license. Clearly, if we're in a registry, we would at least need to make an inventory of those

[25:29] businesses, so we knew.

[25:33] But I don't know that we ever discussed grandfathering in the past.

[25:37] Do you recall that, yes?

[25:39] I don't, although admittedly, I was not around for the 2019 version, but I don't think

[25:46] that was in the minutes that we saw that was a discussion when we're now.

[25:51] I think the main concern was already existing licensed businesses. We wanted to make sure

[25:57] they were exempt from the registration process, just because we didn't want to create

[26:03] extra something onerous and that was quite honestly in 2019, I actually came to the meetings

[26:12] before I was on council and the outcry from the chiropractic world in particular was,

[26:20] we already have to go through all this, so why do we have to submit to yours?

[26:24] And I will say, I was just taking a quick look at all the samples.

[26:29] I think each of them, all of the samples, carbide exemptions for

[26:35] cosmetologists, so that would be, you know, hammer and nail or, you know,

[26:41] barbers, nurses, chiropractors, physical therapists and physicians.

[26:46] I think covers almost everything you would have.

[26:49] I will say the one thing that I do like if we are creating a deterrent is

[26:54] If we go the middle route is to add background check for the business owner, because that is where we would catch, or they may no longer want to do business here, if they had to submit to a background check.

[27:11] I

[27:23] think that makes sense.

[27:25] It doesn't have to be an excessive fee if I just be a police background check.

[27:35] Yeah, got prior business.

[27:38] I think there's more boys you can do it.

[27:40] I know that we do have the ability to do a criminal history background check right here

[27:45] in our house with our clerks could do that.

[27:49] Yeah.

[27:49] I think.

[27:50] I'm not a poster, I don't know.

[27:53] I think Pickerington, Cincinnati, required fingerprinting and police investigations.

[27:58] Whereas the other ones sort of rely on the whatever background check they have to do at the state level, if any.

[28:08] Whatever it was, it

[28:12] was a thought that it would be like fingerprinting and police background check,

[28:15] is that what the thought was as far as any potential suggestions to enhance this,

[28:21] We would recommend doing that and registration process, yes, as part of that, and then that could be the approval process, and we give them that and I don't know much about the zoning, but I know Logan was willing to kind of discuss some of the zoning related questions that may be a committee has.

[28:44] So it

[28:48] seems with this option that wouldn't be ready into like the zoning code, like possible marijuana legislation, right?

[28:59] This would be more civic.

[29:04] Yes, this would probably be a standalone ordinance.

[29:07] I think what we would do, it would probably be changes to the zoning code would come alongside the establishment of the registration program.

[29:17] So, it's all getting approved by Council under one kind of larger effort, so we could break up the sections of the zoning code to say that these are the areas if we need to add use definitions, if we need to tie into certain sections of the zoning code, which I think the 2019 legislation has some of that in there, you may see if you scroll down into some of the later pages, it has sections from the zoning code that they were proposing those changes.

[29:45] is. And one of the biggest items that we had talked about was probably more so for the

[29:51] established businesses is ensuring that you have, you are a business that is a permitted

[29:57] use in the zoning district so

[30:00] If you're in a commercial center that, you know, personal services or whatever it might be falling under, is a permitted use there. And similarly, from the building department side that you do actually have a certificate of occupancy to legally occupy the tenant space. So we can have a couple of those tie-ins as well just to help from an enforcement standpoint. So while police might be able to spearhead the specific operations, we can also add a different zoning, you know, violations and building code violations.

[30:29] part of that process.

[30:31] For part to all that?

[30:34] Yes, so open gov which we had talked about a little bit internally if we went the registration route.

[30:40] The city has an existing program that's kind of similar which is contractor registration.

[30:44] So we have it where when somebody files with us through that system all of their information is saved

[30:50] and the system will notify you when that renewal period is up and we can customize that however.

[30:56] So then it's if it's a two-year registration program, it'll let them know X amount of days beforehand

[31:02] It'll close it out X amount of days after that expiration date, but really at that point

[31:07] It's they just log in but we'll check their information and then they're you know submit their new registration

[31:14] We review go through that process and we can build in as many steps are as necessary

[31:20] So if a background check is needed we can have that pain so that the applicant is aware going into

[31:26] it as well as, you know, city staff has notified that, hey, this person may be reaching out to schedule an appointment to come in or to check off these, additionally, we can add any other sort of requirements with that.

[31:40] So we have a lot of flexibility at the end of the day of what we can do from the, to make it a relatively easy process for somebody to submit and follow.

[31:51] You're thinking every, like, a bio-annual, right?

[31:55] Two years is the recommended month.

[31:57] Yeah.

[31:59] And just one background check, the first time that they do it,

[32:02] or would you require every couple of years?

[32:05] Each registration period.

[32:06] A new background check.

[32:07] Yes.

[32:08] Yeah.

[32:14] I think that's fair, given the nature of the business.

[32:17] I mean, maybe when you were talking background checks

[32:20] and fingerprints, I had to do that to coach youth stopper.

[32:23] So I'm like, what do you think there should be going on?

[32:27] And

[32:30] especially if it can be done in-house, I mean, that's a fast process.

[32:35] I know you've had the question of which city department, I guess I don't really know

[32:40] all the different departments that might fall into this, but was there a thought of who

[32:48] fit the bill the best, like for administering any compliance and conducting the inspections

[32:56] and everything like that.

[32:58] I believe it was one of the open questions.

[33:00] Registration process with all through the city

[33:02] and the police department we would work

[33:04] and can them together to execute

[33:07] the roles that each department would need to.

[33:11] So we do that now with some of our brain assemblage permitting,

[33:16] goes from department to department

[33:17] for the approval processes.

[33:19] And we set something up similar to that.

[33:22] The burden wouldn't fall on any one group

[33:26] and you would kind of continue to maintain.

[33:28] I presume like somebody is applying for alcohol license

[33:33] or something like that.

[33:34] There's multiple folks that are involved.

[33:38] Yeah, there would be an initial submission

[33:39] and then it would just, you know,

[33:41] to your approach, you would go to each department

[33:44] for the needed approval or denial

[33:49] to make sure that their steps were taken care of.

[33:51] Yep.

[33:52] Yeah.

[33:56] Anything else for the good of the body

[33:58] on this subject.

[34:02] Yes, sir.

[34:03] Do you feel like you have direction?

[34:05] The only thing I want to raise publicly is the status of the zoning code.

[34:13] No, so if you're not aware, which none of the non-members are,

[34:18] the city could use a petition for referendum opposing the code itself.

[34:24] And we have submitted that paperwork to the Board of Elections, which is the required process.

[34:30] They have a period of time to evaluate the validity of the signatures to determine whether or not it satisfies the required law.

[34:37] We have not heard back from them yet, but we should this week.

[34:40] I just wanted to throw that out there, because right now, we're kind of in a gray area in terms of,

[34:46] do we move forward with the adoption of the code that was proposed through planning commission?

[34:50] and then all of these changes will be applicable to that

[34:53] or will have a pushed out and will go and make the adjustments

[34:57] to the older code. So that's just...

[35:00] I think it's a good thing, because it gives me additional time to think about this. The only other thing to consider is we just have not received much public input on this subject matter. And hopefully through a little discussion, if we can present to you a legislative recommendation. And we can promote through economic development outreach to find out for the business, but also just for the general public. I think it would be impactful for you to hear.

[35:27] here like they did in 2019 from some of the businesses just to make sure and I could have some benefit to your conversation and I think that most pertinent thing for us to do at this point in time would be take any feedback from the committee and allow allow staff to work through the legislative adoption and establishment with you all and come back at the next meeting at that point in time will know much will have clarity in terms of how we're going to proceed forward with the planning and the zoning code.

[35:56] And I think we will have additional substantive matters that we can incorporate some of these discussion points tonight in an actual piece of legislation.

[36:06] And at that point, hopefully get some additional discussion.

[36:10] We can take input from you all along the way, but I just want to raise that issue for perspective and context.

[36:20] Okay. Other business for the committee.

[36:23] I thought I'd just briefly say something about the tree committee.

[36:29] We're going to have kind of a work at hand and hand with Jeff Tyler at the H.I.

[36:36] Meaning the purpose of that is to try to come up with a policy for a council for tree trimming and

[36:46] So we can get our snow plows down some of the roads in Powell without losing our side view mirrors.

[36:55] Now it sounds simple but we actually shot a video the other day and the plow can't even get within eight ten feet of the curb.

[37:03] The limbs are coming out so we are assembling a list of the HOAs to find out who's responsible for the maintenance of them.

[37:12] and to come up with an action plan to get it done sooner than later.

[37:20] We had a meeting on Monday here.

[37:23] So I forget the date of the HOA meeting, but I think it's like October 23rd or 2nd.

[37:30] It's pretty good off that.

[37:31] So that's kind of our goal to present to them and get a matrix of who's responsible in wet neighborhoods and to get this done.

[37:40] So, I thought I put that on the record, I don't have the other business, anyone else?

[37:46] Just to add on to that, I think you had requested, you know, what feedback we've gotten from the associations,

[37:52] and I can't remember the total number, but we've only heard responses back from seven.

[37:57] So, if your HOA is interested or you have networks of other people,

[38:02] we haven't heard from everybody, and would like to get as much response from everybody,

[38:06] because they kind of create another uniform program throughout the city.

[38:11] Could you share out like who you did here back from?

[38:14] Yeah, I don't have them. Yeah, not anybody.

[38:16] We have a golf village.

[38:20] Let me write the chase.

[38:25] I have a long second.

[38:27] I was going to say, I was going to say, I'm over at Falcon Ridge.

[38:29] I get right on pages if they hadn't.

[38:32] The

[38:37] chase, Falcon Ridge.

[38:38] Goal Village, Granchire, Murphy Park, Rutherford Estates, and Woods of Pell.

[38:46] We got some work to do.

[38:47] Anything else?

[38:50] Very good.

[38:51] Can we enjoy?

[38:53] Enjoy.

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