[2:21] Welcome back from our hiatus, and we have a work session on youth engagement, and of course, the curfew. Jonathan Lambert Melton will be 30 minutes late. If we can note that in the minutes, and then I will invite up, Ken Pistler of Raleigh Parks, Taisha Mosley of Community Engagement and Amanda Roll of the Police Department. Good morning.

[2:56] I'm going to be a joint presentation so you will see multiple faces here at the podium.

[3:01] I am just getting a started.

[3:03] Everyone will be available for questions on their specific programs as we wrap up.

[3:09] So today we will talk a little bit about context.

[3:14] We'll discuss briefly our current programs.

[3:17] We'll spend some time talking about the engagement efforts that took place this summer and

[3:22] then next steps.

[3:27] When you think about youth engagement as a whole across our organization, it's primarily

[3:32] based in three departments, community engagement, rally parks, and the rally police department.

[3:38] These three departments have continuously and regularly worked collaboratively to identify

[3:45] ways to elevate youth voices.

[3:48] We've done things prior to the events that took place in July, like develop a youth services

[3:55] division in the community engagement department.

[3:57] The Raleigh Police Department has created a community impact and engagement division.

[4:03] We're having conversations with Raleigh Parks about reimagining what the Raleigh Youth Council

[4:07] looks like.

[4:08] And then most recently we've enhanced our centralized web page for youth services, which is shown

[4:16] here and what that does is create a one-stop shop for all things related to teens and young

[4:25] people. It's a starting point to learn what those opportunities are from arts, community,

[4:31] workforce development, et cetera.

[4:36] For the purpose of today's presentation with my colleagues,

[4:39] we're going to be talking about youth. So you'll hear that and we're referring to individuals that are

[4:44] are individuals that are elementary school age.

[4:46] Your heels talk about teens.

[4:48] We're thinking more high school

[4:50] and then young adults over the age of 18.

[4:53] So you'll hear that throughout the presentation.

[4:56] So in the youth area across all three departments,

[5:00] we have programs like AmeriCorps, Fostogram Parents,

[5:03] which is where we have individuals over the age of 55,

[5:06] volunteer in local elementary schools

[5:08] and daycare centers.

[5:10] The Parks and Recreation Department does a wonderful job

[5:13] of identifying out-of-school time across all of those programs that you see on the screen,

[5:18] the Raleigh Police Department having Raleigh Youth Summer Camps, their leadership program,

[5:24] and mentorship opportunities.

[5:27] Our current programming around teens within the community engagement

[5:32] department, I'm going to start with Raleigh Summer Youth Employment Program, which a lot of people

[5:37] are familiar with, and when you think about it, it's inception in 1983 was young people

[5:45] working in community centers over the summer.

[5:47] And I just wanted to take a moment to point out the growth in the program since then.

[5:51] So within summer use, they do additional programming with young people.

[5:56] We've had two minutes to help some of it.

[5:57] Job readiness training, which is open to anybody who even wants to apply to Raleigh Summer

[6:02] Youth, walking them through the application process there.

[6:06] Several professional development opportunities and some may not know that Raleigh Summer Youth

[6:12] also has a virtual pathway.

[6:14] So, teenagers are able to work virtually with local businesses like York Properties or nonprofits like the Garner Road Community Center.

[6:23] There, they tackle real-world challenges that the businesses identify and a part of their job is proposing a solution at the end of their summer.

[6:31] We also have our digital impact program and both the connectors and the ambassadors work to bridge the digital divide.

[6:39] they pass out computers, soloic and families,

[6:43] they host programs like advice about a device

[6:45] where anyone can bring their cell phone computer iPad

[6:49] and have the young people help them problem-solve.

[6:56] And with that, I am going to turn it over to my colleague,

[6:59] Ken Hissler, and Raleigh Parks.

[7:04] Good morning.

[7:05] Ken Hissler, Assistant Director, Raleigh Parks.

[7:07] Glad to be here with you today.

[7:09] A nice little transition as we think about the collaboration

[7:11] the TASHA just talked about is that Raleigh Summer Youth Employment

[7:14] program for those who may not be where a lot of those kids come and work with us.

[7:18] So they're in our summer camps, they're working in our park operations.

[7:20] So it's a great example of how our two groups work together.

[7:23] Now as typical in some of my slides have a lot of information here, a lot of data to look

[7:27] at.

[7:27] But what I want to do today is talk about a couple of things that you're going to see in

[7:31] there.

[7:31] And one, is this is data that we can pull out of our registration system.

[7:35] What it doesn't capture is all of that self-directed passive use of our greenway trails, our outdoor

[7:40] where courts are our disc golf courses and those other opportunities that people have

[7:46] to recreate within our spaces.

[7:47] The other thing I do want to draw attention to is things like I want to put in there's

[7:51] contact hours and also connection.

[7:54] So contact hours are how often do we have those teams in our programs and then how frequently

[7:58] are they interacting in our programs.

[8:01] What I did want to draw attention to is a couple things and as Taneesh talked about at

[8:04] a school times really important to Raleigh Park so when that school bell ends what are

[8:08] of the opportunities that we have for both our youth,

[8:10] our teens, and we'll talk a little bit about adults

[8:12] in a minute.

[8:13] So two of those is our out of school time includes

[8:15] our camps, our specialty camps, our traditional camp,

[8:18] and our after school programs.

[8:19] What we want to do is make sure those are geographically

[8:22] represented, and our after school programs spread out

[8:24] across Raleigh, but we also want to make sure they have

[8:26] an opportunity to get into different things.

[8:28] So when we get into our specialty camps,

[8:30] we're talking about things like entrepreneur camps.

[8:32] You guys may have remembered right before you broke

[8:34] for the summer.

[8:35] We had a bunch of teens that went here learning

[8:36] about what government looks like.

[8:37] Do you want to be in a job with RTN, or we even had them out at our greenhouse?

[8:41] So we're looking at those opportunities that the youth, the teens, want to be able to

[8:45] learn more about skilled trades.

[8:47] Entrepreneur Camp, we had them over to ironworks.

[8:49] What does it look like to start a small business in Raleigh?

[8:52] The other one I wanted to draw your attention to is our Raleigh Teen Connect program.

[8:56] It's a membership where our teens can come in and they get opportunities for additional

[8:59] exposures.

[9:00] An example of that is having the opportunity to go to our pools as part of our after-school

[9:04] program.

[9:05] We do believe that basic learn to swim programs and just provides them the access to do it.

[9:10] The other ones are bringing in special speakers that may speak to a trade, that you speak

[9:14] to a skill, something that is more of their interest.

[9:17] The other thing I want you to make sure that I'm saying, we're really fortunate in Raleigh

[9:20] Parks that we do have program area phase focus groups talking like teens and youth, but really

[9:25] the conduit is all of our general programming.

[9:27] You'll see at the bottom of that slide is our general program offerings.

[9:30] Those are the ones that are just, it's martial arts, it's arts, it's cultural, it's

[9:34] history, those are all the things that happen through the 50 buildings that we have within

[9:38] Raleigh Parks, and then on top of that we have our athletic programs, those are our leagues

[9:43] and things, and then don't forget about our passes. So what we do is we have lots of opportunity

[9:47] for open play, can you come use the fitness center, can you just go drop into the pool to be able

[9:52] to do some things. So what we're able to show here is kind of that holistic when the school bell ends,

[9:56] how do we provide opportunities for our teams? And with that I will turn it over to my colleague

[10:00] with Rye Police Department.

[10:05] The morning.

[10:06] I'm a man to roll with the Rally Police Department.

[10:09] I oversee our community impact and engagement division.

[10:12] Our division was created in October 2025, and the purpose was to bring all of our youth

[10:18] facing and supportive services, including school resource officers, our community officers,

[10:24] our volunteers, our crossing guards, as well as our mentors, under one umbrella for unity

[10:30] of delivery as well as command.

[10:32] Our approach in the Raleigh Police Department has been with our teens and young adults to provide opportunities for exposure.

[10:39] Exposure with our cadet program.

[10:43] Our cadet program includes young people 14 to 20 years old ongoing across the entire year.

[10:51] And in the last three years we've had 24 cadets.

[10:54] The program gives these young people an opportunity to see a light version of the police academy.

[11:01] So they're exposed to the physical challenges of law enforcement as well as doing ride-alongs and actually seeing real-life situations.

[11:08] They include team building, physical fitness, as well as community service projects.

[11:13] Should we be on a different level?

[11:14] Well, if we can kind of help you get, I'm trying to take the chief to say, hey, do we have slides for this?

[11:21] I thought he clicked it.

[11:22] Okay, sorry guys. She was on a roll.

[11:25] I was. I was like, you're literally.

[11:30] That's our young adults, so that's the exposure piece.

[11:33] The next piece is the application piece.

[11:35] Application comes when we take young adults in our criminal justice and other related

[11:40] majors from colleges as well as trade schools, and we pay them to work as paid in terms

[11:46] over the course of their school year.

[11:49] As they are earning that credit, they are also having opportunities to ride along with

[11:54] officers, gain some specialized insight into what it's like to be an officer, as well

[11:59] as working with our detective division.

[12:01] What's unique about our internship program is that, at the beginning, chief voice directs

[12:08] them all, that they are to be ambassadors, there's not only represent wrongly police, but

[12:12] also embrace the fact that they are now part of our family, and we hope that they will go

[12:17] back and share their positive experiences with their colleagues, with their other college

[12:22] to really debunk some of the myths about law enforcement and bridge that gap or to divide

[12:27] between those age groups.

[12:29] At the end of their internship, they present to our command and our executive staff

[12:35] a very short presentation, but it's how did they apply?

[12:40] That's the application peak.

[12:41] What theories did they learn in college and how did they see it play out?

[12:45] How were they able to make that application in real time, in real life?

[12:49] The other purpose of our college internship is to lead them into a career in public safety.

[12:57] To date, we've had 18% of our police recruits converted to actual police hires.

[13:04] So we've hired 19 of our 104 interns in the past three years.

[13:12] With that, I'll turn it back over.

[13:18] All right, so Raleigh Parks doesn't just stop programming once you graduate from high school.

[13:24] actually pride ourselves on greater degree programming.

[13:27] What I want to talk about here, again, that top bullet,

[13:29] these are program offerings for our young adults ages 19 to 25.

[13:35] General programming, again, comes in there.

[13:37] A lot of our programs are situated, so adult,

[13:39] you will often find like in a martial arts program,

[13:41] you may have a 10, 12, 14 year old,

[13:43] but you must have a 35 year old.

[13:45] And so when we look at program offerings,

[13:47] they aren't always just specific for a target demographic,

[13:50] but they're looking at more of the skill that's in there.

[13:52] But what we can pull out is some information there related to our program.

[13:55] What we also recognize is once teams start to drive, it opens up new opportunities.

[13:59] So I really should have titled this slide, you can work where you play.

[14:03] And so what we have found is really a role for us is both working with NC State and our local

[14:07] colleges.

[14:08] And we have a very private work study program.

[14:10] We've worked with NC State for years on a federal work study program that brings students

[14:14] in.

[14:15] And it serves as a pipeline to what does that again look like working in local government.

[14:18] and it helps to foster a really just an opportunity to join a passion to be able to come work within the city of Raleigh and we do recognize that they may choose another municipality even though we'd rather have them there.

[14:29] Our annual internship program, we will bring in 10 to 15 students, not just NC State, we have students from across the state this year, we had them from AB State, ECU Central and of course the Wolfpack have one of the strongest parks and recreation programs in the country, but we're glad to have them here.

[14:46] But what we do is we expose them to all facets of the business.

[14:48] So they're not just camp councils and not just working in our athletics.

[14:52] They're working in meeting with our business session.

[14:54] They're having opportunities to meet with Stephen of what does it look like to run an organization as big as Raleigh Parks.

[15:00] The one that we think is pretty cool when we shared information before, that internship program has led into hiring a lot of young people. So, for a guy who's been around for a day or two, we have a young workforce 22 to 25, that we have 12 full-time employees that have graduated most of them have come through our internship program and are now full-time employees. So for me, it's like my daughter is now working with me and I'm learning how to relate with that. So the other part of that, and it's really sometimes quite interesting, but the heart of our operations are part-time staff.

[15:29] We have 1,200 part-time staff that are ages 15 to 25.

[15:33] More importantly, we're wrapping up our summer season.

[15:36] So in order to make the 15,000 campers come through,

[15:39] it takes a lot of counselors to operate a pool

[15:42] that takes a lot of lifeguards.

[15:43] 650 of those part-time employees are ages 15 to 19.

[15:47] And we'd like to tell them, if you need a little money

[15:49] in your pocket throughout the year,

[15:50] come be a lifeguard, come work for us in some capacity

[15:52] and we'll find the opportunity for you to work with Rolly Parks.

[15:56] I'll hand it back over to Titian.

[15:59] All right, and wrapping up the young adult section

[16:02] in the Community Engagement Department,

[16:04] we have something that's relatively new,

[16:07] which is a pipeline from the Raleigh Summer Youth

[16:10] Employment Program to the Raleigh Summer Youth Alumni Alliance.

[16:14] And we found that important because there was a need

[16:16] to continue providing mentorship, networking,

[16:19] and programs to individuals that age

[16:21] out of Raleigh Summer Youth Employment.

[16:23] We also have our Pathways to Public Service Program

[16:27] and Community Climate Internship.

[16:29] But both are open to college, junior seniors, and recent grads.

[16:32] They work in city departments like the council office, the human resources communications,

[16:39] the community climate interns work more so in the office of sustainability, rally water.

[16:45] And we averaged about 31 participants per year across those.

[16:52] We're now going to transition over to some of our engagement efforts, and you're going

[16:56] to hear from Dr. Roll.

[16:58] This

[17:02] was an exciting summer before the Raleigh Police Department in the city of Raleigh.

[17:07] The first Friday and June is declared national gun violence awareness and prevention, and

[17:13] our mayor was kind enough to do a proclamation for us.

[17:17] That also launched an effort to highlight in orange almost everything we did.

[17:23] So if you noticed orange and wondered why we had changed our colors, it was to continuously

[17:27] We honestly promote the message about anti-gun violence and gun safety.

[17:31] We hosted Raleigh Hoop Knights the summer and we engaged 309 teens equally important.

[17:39] We engaged their families.

[17:41] Parents had an opportunity to drop their kids off at the centers and then come back, but

[17:46] they actually stayed and they also engaged with us.

[17:49] So we had an opportunity to meet them.

[17:51] Young people played basketball against our police officers and I will tell you nobody held

[17:57] back, including chief boys. There were dunks, there were rejected balls like it. It was quite it.

[18:05] Yeah, fouls, I mean hard fouls. We also used many of our command staff members served as referees.

[18:12] So this was all in. Stormy came to I think every one of them and we almost got her to play.

[18:21] That was overall a great night, you know, kids were engaged and we had doubled our numbers

[18:27] from last year.

[18:30] And on June 8th, I'm sorry, on June 9th, we hosted a something to say, teens against

[18:36] violence, Teen Hall.

[18:39] That Teen Hall was part of our summer action plan kickoff.

[18:43] What that was was an opportunity for us to collaborate with Parks and Rec.

[18:47] And to bring teens from strategic locations that we selected provided transportation and gave young people a voice.

[18:56] We used the young people to co-facilitate and we wanted to know what they had to say, not what we wanted to tell them.

[19:03] We engaged a total of 55 teens and what we saw is that that engagement carried across multiple events.

[19:09] So we started to see kids show up at other events and hoop nights had a following across the city.

[19:14] So, as far out as Lake Lynn, we had to turn out with kids that we know from Robert's Park or from Chavis Heights.

[19:21] So, overall, we had a fantastic summer and we are looking forward to next year and we'll turn this over to Taish.

[19:30] All right, that's going to pause musical chairs and to questions at the end, okay?

[19:34] I'm going to bring us home and talk about the remainder of our summer engagement.

[19:40] So you've heard about all the programs that we offer, all the initiatives that we have,

[19:45] and we do want to pause and take a moment and acknowledge that they're still very well

[19:48] maybe gaps that exist. We want to ensure that we're doing our due diligence,

[19:54] streamlining our efforts across departments to enhance programming,

[19:58] look at operational adjustments, both in community engagement,

[20:02] Raleigh Parks, Raleigh Police Department, and throughout the organization.

[20:05] So this summer we really did continue our efforts, our combined missions of meeting people

[20:11] where they are, and we began our conversations with teenagers through our team table talks.

[20:17] We had a couple of goals here and I want to practice it with saying this is just the beginning

[20:22] of this more so meaningful engagement.

[20:25] But we did want to share information about what we currently do, we wanted to understand

[20:31] how the city could better support young people and get feedback again on those gaps, programs,

[20:37] spaces, etc. We, in our partnership with Raleigh Parks, we went to several teen extreme camps.

[20:44] We engage with the virtual cohort of Raleigh Summer Youth Employment. We were grateful that

[20:52] Sage, saving adolescent girls everywhere, that's the photo there. They welcomed us into their space

[20:57] to have some thought-provoking conversations as well.

[21:01] We are also in the process of setting up meetings

[21:05] with the Boys and Girls Club, by MCA.

[21:08] If they try and go nonprofits,

[21:10] we're already doing this work.

[21:11] There are plenty of nonprofits working with young people

[21:13] throughout our city, local high schools,

[21:16] and community leaders.

[21:17] All of that is in the works,

[21:18] and we wouldn't dare try to do it just in the summer.

[21:22] So those events here,

[21:24] we had our preliminary engagement,

[21:26] include 15 touch points. So there were eight group discussions, seven table events.

[21:32] So that's us just going to national night outs or strategic places across the city,

[21:38] again, to meet people where they are, where we had a lot of conversation. And even if it wasn't

[21:43] facilitated, it was the opportunity for them to participate in our survey so we could hear more

[21:49] about what it is that we could do or focus on. We were also at Raleigh Hoot Knights and the chief,

[21:56] you know, he did a great job out there. So shout out to him. All right. So the survey, I'm going

[22:03] to talk briefly about what we heard. I do want to mention that the participants were able to

[22:11] receive or choose multiple options and this is just the top four. So this does not include everything.

[22:17] We did ask, where do you hang out? You'll see here that the top response was at a friend's house,

[22:21] the mall, movies or community center, we pose the question, what are the barriers to

[22:29] existing programs?

[22:30] Why are you interested or not interested or why may you not, why, excuse me, if you

[22:37] participate in our current programs, that's great, but if not, we're stopping you.

[22:41] And what we heard was that not close by was the top one, people not knowing what's available.

[22:48] We also heard a little bit about not having a ride, so those are the top four responses there.

[22:56] We posed a question, what's one thing you wish existed for teens and rolling?

[23:02] And I understand that we may say we already do that or we already have that.

[23:08] This is simply their perception, their lived experiences of what we offer.

[23:13] Okay? So, more ways to be heard and lead initiatives, unique spaces for teens. It says free

[23:22] and teens only. They said somewhat supervised opportunities to foster talents, study halls,

[23:30] free therapy, networking spaces for teenagers are all what we heard and it was consistent

[23:35] just a hangout spot was what they were looking for.

[23:38] We also pose the question, where do you hear about current programming and resources?

[23:45] You'll see a family member, a friend, school, social media.

[23:49] We went deeper to say, well, what social media channels do you use the most?

[23:54] TikTok and Instagram were at the top two.

[23:57] There was a lot of feedback about how they enjoy relatable posts.

[24:03] So they want to see reels and social media trends.

[24:06] they were interested in potentially having a social media with

[24:11] ran by teams but with a double oversight and how we could look at that as an opportunity.

[24:17] So the key takeaways, gathering spaces outside of school worker home,

[24:22] increase awareness of city offerings, fluidity and the type of programs

[24:27] would be welcomed and they want to be more involved in decision making.

[24:33] At this time, we're not posing solutions, we're not seeking solutions, we just want

[24:38] to continue to have conversations and we want to understand what opportunities are.

[24:42] So that's why this slide is laid out in potential areas to explore.

[24:46] So social media, how we can connect to the strategic plan, developing a more formal pipeline

[24:51] between departments and youth so that their input can be incorporated.

[24:55] You saw our youth web page, but how can we enhance that, is it meeting the needs of what

[24:59] people and their families are looking for, reimagining the Raleigh Youth Council, which

[25:04] we spoke to earlier, and having centralized coordination in our communications with

[25:09] the public school system.

[25:11] So our immediate next steps are just to continue gathering feedback on gaps that the city can

[25:17] feel.

[25:18] We want to build out on our partnerships with external organizations and establish shared

[25:23] goals, look at our exploration of operational adjustments, and then in the long term, we want

[25:29] to be able to say that we strengthen team representation, we created a pathway and that

[25:34] we continue to adjust our program's events based off the feedback and updated team representation.

[25:41] And so with that, again, I'm here with Raleigh Parks, Raleigh Police Department to take

[25:46] any questions.

[25:48] Thank you for a lot of information questions from Council.

[25:52] school.

[25:54] Well, I've got some questions. Just when you talk about the centralized communication

[26:00] with Wake County schools, given that they're finding out a lot of this at schools, that

[26:06] sounds like a good and important step. And I'm also just curious about Wake Tech, some

[26:13] of the other, just what's happening now and what can we do to strengthen that?

[26:18] So what's happening now is that we have contacts in different departments who have contacts with different people in the school system as far as getting information to and so when we ask the teenagers about social media, they said we follow the

[26:34] we follow weight county because they can tell us when school is going to be out.

[26:38] They don't have to watch to ticker anymore, but we just identify that we need a to think way across the apartment to get information to inform and that currently is not as strong as it could be.

[26:53] Councillor Silver. First I commend you for the survey and the takeaways worked on a similar

[27:01] project and another say I don't want to mention it was called the yes loitering project

[27:05] because in this particular city teams were being targeted in public space and so there was

[27:11] this project called yes loitering project to tell young people you are welcome in public

[27:17] space and we did similar research and came up with findings very close to your takeaways

[27:23] and I was impressed by it because the top one is hang out, unstructured, not programmed

[27:29] just to be with friends to just talk. Those are very good takeaways. I guess the question

[27:36] is any manager. How is that now going to embed itself? Because that's very different than programming

[27:42] or rec service, it's something different and it's important because young people are saying this is what I want even those call out

[27:50] quotes that you had

[27:51] Those three slides to me were very very powerful, and it's our young people saying not all because I'm guessing

[27:58] 12% of our population between 10 and 19 that's

[28:01] 50 to 60,000 young people you have a couple of thousand

[28:06] Not you the city in their parks program. What about the other 40 50,000?

[28:12] How are we going to take some of those takeaways and recommendations because I was supported

[28:17] that, agreed with that, and think it is their way of telling us, this is what I want.

[28:22] Right.

[28:23] So, yes, we did engage with youth that are already a part of our programs and initiatives,

[28:28] but a part, the main reason why we also scheduled pop-up in community events because we understand

[28:34] that there's another group of young people that may not be engaged in the programs that

[28:38] we already offer.

[28:38] and so we're planning to continue doing that and meeting people where they are, looking outside the conversations that we're going to have with our partners is also going to be very important because when we met with the YMCA, for example, they're just trying to figure out where to start and what we're doing.

[28:55] And so there was a lot of synergy and organic chemistry around how we can build together so we don't have the answer right now.

[29:02] We want to continue talking to our youth,

[29:05] then working with our partners,

[29:07] bringing the city together to figure out the best way

[29:10] for it collectively.

[29:14] That's a problem.

[29:15] Hi, there you said.

[29:16] Thank you for this.

[29:17] I have a handful of questions and some may not be for you.

[29:22] But I'll just start.

[29:24] So one I have is private for communications

[29:26] around use of TikTok.

[29:29] I know that's where the youths are.

[29:32] And I think we should try to reach them there,

[29:33] But I I wonder if we're even allowed to be there and how we might use partnerships with like influencers or something to

[29:42] To stay legal but get onto that platform

[29:46] Will you about answer the question for me there Rob and decal communications director

[29:50] I know we do not use tiktok because at this point it is an application that both the city and the state have decided

[30:00] Our own account there. There are ways absolutely, like you said, through influencers, perhaps through an agency contract that we could have some information element. TikTok, another idea that we are looking at is to use Instagram a little bit differently, perhaps with a different kind of account. I don't want to over promise or give too many details so that the real content, video content would be a little bit more teen focused in its voice. Awesome. Thank you. And then another question I have.

[30:29] have is around kind of building off what comes over.

[30:32] So, as mentioned, you know, we have about in very loose terms, about 100,000 youths

[30:39] and minors in the city and some of these programs are generously accessing about one percent

[30:46] of those.

[30:48] So, we have lots of kids who are not being captured in our programs, and I'm curious if there's

[30:53] any tracking done by any other agencies, any community health survey that indicates how

[30:59] How many youths are being touched by like any programming, whether it's Rolly Parks or

[31:04] YMCA or Boys and Girls at all?

[31:09] In terms of the quant—sorry, Ken Hensley again, Rolly Parks.

[31:12] Quantifiable data, we can talk to our partners.

[31:15] So when you do council member, if you think about the non-profits, the Y, the Boys and Girls

[31:19] clubs, the way county public school system, lots of non-profits, the youth, the question

[31:24] of whether are they being engaged or they being engaged by the city of Rolly?

[31:27] I think that's an area where, as Ty should brought up, how do we work with our partners

[31:31] to understand who they're already serving is a really valuable opportunity for us to

[31:34] explore that to a little deeper level.

[31:37] And I think the school system relationship is significantly important because that's a

[31:40] conduit where we can find those kids that may not be engaged in some different opportunities

[31:44] and communicate programs, access areas for them to get involved.

[31:50] They may fit more in their niche instead of us trying to put them into some things that

[31:53] already exist.

[31:54] Yeah, I think that would be a really valuable area to explore more and have better data

[31:58] on.

[31:59] I would love for all kids to touch the Raleigh Park program, but I understand that it

[32:03] can still be productive if they are engaged in something productive, and so it would be

[32:09] nice to understand how many kids are being, you know, supported somehow.

[32:17] Amanda Roll, Assistant Director, Raleigh Police Department.

[32:21] One of the things I think you're getting at is the groups that we're also looking at

[32:25] in the police department, we're pretty focused on the missing data, where the kids were

[32:31] not touching, and where the kids were touching but not necessarily documenting.

[32:36] Our division includes the word impact because you have to be able to measure the impact

[32:40] to know that you're moving in the right direction.

[32:43] Our officers are part of our policy includes community policing.

[32:49] It has the premise that we're all community policing officers.

[32:52] So, from the time the patrol officers do a council and a block event, they're making contact with young people, their families, they're making referrals, our school resource officers are also identifying kids who might be a good fit for or summer camp, or need to be referred to other programs throughout the city.

[33:10] And so we're doing the work on that level, every time we engage with somebody at a community

[33:15] center, we say, also, no, where do you go to school?

[33:18] Making those relationships and those connections, but our officers do a lot of identifying kids

[33:26] who could benefit as well as our community leaders.

[33:29] So in the something to save it, many of these kids came from St. Giles, and that was because

[33:34] of a community leader that we reached out to because we recognized that that was a community

[33:39] that might not necessarily have transportation and we actually provided that transportation.

[33:46] And then just another, just one more and I'll pass the mic.

[33:50] I was curious on the feedback we got on the survey, just anecdotally, if I'm curious

[33:58] one, if hours of operation came up at all, if teens were saying like, I want to please

[34:03] hang out late at night or and the things on which they want more opportunities to be heard

[34:10] and lead on where there are themes within that like are they caring about park design

[34:15] or rezoning or kind of if there was a characteristic of what they want to be engaged on.

[34:22] Yes, that's a good question.

[34:23] We did have that option around we had a question about what would make you more likely to

[34:32] use one of our community spaces and later hours was a part of that. When we had conversations

[34:39] in our facilitated discussions about how to get involved it wasn't that granular it was more

[34:47] so we feel like things are happening to us and we want to be able to contribute to the conversation

[34:53] before a decision is made. It didn't go to types of opportunities. That could have that feedback

[35:00] That could be broadly, civically engaged.

[35:03] They could mean sort of government rich, or-

[35:06] Sure, but also, you know, I'm sure there's interest in other topics that are more specific.

[35:12] We just didn't ask explicitly.

[35:15] Got it.

[35:16] Thank you.

[35:18] Okay.

[35:19] Thanks for your hands.

[35:20] Thank you for this.

[35:21] I was wondering with the Raleigh Youth Council, I know we're talking about reimagining Raleigh Youth

[35:25] Council.

[35:26] So can we first define what the expectations are, what it is currently, and then what the

[35:32] hope if there's a goal of what it turns into.

[35:35] What I've noticed in talking to around the community is that most high schools have

[35:40] a student council, and so I was like, oh wow, we also have a Raleigh Youth Council.

[35:44] So I'm wondering, is in this reimagination of it, would it touch on to the already existing

[35:49] student councils within the high school system?

[35:53] Can, so let me start back with the question of what it is now.

[35:56] So actually, in Sydney, ordinance, there's an establishment of a Raleigh Youth Council that calls out to what it is.

[36:02] And so, housed within Raleigh Parts, it is actually a group of 60, about 60 students on average every year, from across Wake County.

[36:09] It's really a leadership development program.

[36:11] It's an opportunity for them, they're self-governing, they set their own elected officials, they set their own policies, procedures, and it's part of the state councils of youth.

[36:19] So they actually interact with other rally youth councils from across the state through conferences, through community service, through opportunities such as that.

[36:29] So in its current state, kind of city wide representation, they set their own rules, they do their own community service, they interact with other agencies from a community service aspect.

[36:40] One of the things that we've done, because this question's come up from a couple of years, is now they have a standing report and interact with our parks, recreation and greenway advisory board.

[36:47] So, we bring informed as they're working so they'll help support some more programs like our specialized recreation activities, or they'll also share about their community service activities.

[36:56] One of the things that we've been looking to do and as Tysha has brought up is they're one of our primary condos to wake kind of public school systems.

[37:05] So, we're able to feed information back into the schools through these students because we don't have the centralized touchpoint, and that's our opportunity to make more awareness of that.

[37:14] Now, what we also want to do is make sure that's more fully cross-representational.

[37:18] So, a lot of it is those students who are actively looking for leadership opportunities,

[37:23] they're looking for things that they can put on their college application,

[37:26] what are the things that they're getting involved in?

[37:28] These are students that are already wanting to, they're looking to aspire to achieve

[37:31] at a higher level.

[37:32] What we want to do is expand the breadth of that.

[37:35] So, how can we make sure every student who is, who wants to be a part of the council knows one,

[37:40] about it and to how do I get connected to it?

[37:43] So as we work through community engagement, what are our different pathways that we can get to but then also there are other opportunities and

[37:50] I will bring it back to this table. How can they interact more with you?

[37:53] Because that's what they want and one of the things is having a raise to teens is they reach an age where they don't like being told.

[37:59] Here's how you do things and that's not that's like it's good or bad, but it's a part of it going through teenhood

[38:04] and how do they interact with the local officials for policies that are made about how they're going to conduct their everyday activities?

[38:10] When we established the teen center, we set that up specifically as funny as teach about

[38:14] up issues like we're going to step on toes, but they were like, it's our space. People

[38:17] your age can't come in. And I'm like, okay, can I come in when you're not open? Yes,

[38:22] you can come in when you're not open. Right, but they were very specific about how that

[38:26] space would be governed. And that's what we're looking at. Can the youth council expand

[38:30] those opportunities, have interactions to meet with the city manager, the assistant city

[38:35] manager? These are the things that are happening. And right now that's not so easy. And we get

[38:39] that people are super busy, so I'm not here to be judgmental, but that's what they've shared with us.

[38:43] Does that help?

[38:44] It does, thank you so much.

[38:46] Definitely, thank you for the information.

[38:49] A couple things I just wanted to touch.

[38:51] I see where the students mentioned opportunities to foster talents.

[38:55] And I thought about growing up, there's a show called Sparks.

[38:59] And it was teens on stage, it was ran by WRL, and

[39:04] they gave students an opportunity to show talent.

[39:07] do different things, work on stage and behind stage and I know a lot of our, we talk about work

[39:12] with Wake County Public Schools. Some of them have different studios and things of that nature.

[39:18] Wake County has their roles so be it, is there something that we could possibly do and foster

[39:23] as we're re-imagining our new RTN location and the new building to create a space for those that

[39:30] may be interested in that avenue of talent and opportunities.

[39:35] So this one thing I kind of wanted to put out there

[39:38] if there's something you all have thought about

[39:41] and I have a couple of others after that.

[39:44] Robin Deagle, again, from communications.

[39:46] I think definitely with that new space in the building

[39:48] and we have hope to reinvigorate our community producer

[39:51] program where they would have more opportunities

[39:53] to come in with an idea.

[39:55] And we can help them produce their show

[39:57] that goes on cable access.

[39:58] us. I think there are a number of ways that we can creatively use that space as we go

[40:02] forward. And I would also that would be definitely in partnership with parks, community engagement.

[40:08] Perhaps a rally police that has all of these programs to bring people in and run them through

[40:12] a program earlier this year. I think Ken mentioned it. We had some youth in here learning how

[40:18] to run the controls for a council meeting. And that was pretty interesting. They sat at

[40:23] the table and some of them sat in the booth and they had a mock meeting. We didn't broadcast

[40:27] but they did have that opportunity.

[40:29] Cool. Thank you.

[40:30] It's good to hear that.

[40:31] And speaking of the success of hoop nights,

[40:35] I know it was during the summer.

[40:37] Is there an opportunity to have a once-a-month event

[40:41] throughout the year to continue like a third of Friday night event

[40:46] or something?

[40:47] Because it sounds like we have gathered the attention of some of our young people.

[40:53] Now, I think it's opportunity because a lot of times things I hear is

[40:56] where you start and you stop.

[40:58] So is there a way to continue the event throughout the year?

[41:02] Absolutely.

[41:03] So the part of our impact is continuous engagement.

[41:07] It's not one and done.

[41:09] And so for hoop nights, we already have two.

[41:11] We're just looking for dates.

[41:14] One's going to be at the Islamic Association of Raleigh

[41:16] and the other one's going to be at the Jewish Federation of Raleigh.

[41:19] They're part of our I care team members

[41:21] and they want to open up their courts.

[41:23] We are also looking at doing weather permitting, there will probably be more outdoor ones, pop-ups, just, you know, allow officers to really take that and decide if they want to host one, as well as bowling events.

[41:36] We've got some other, I mean, we've talked about hockey, we've talked about, we've done pickleball over the summer.

[41:43] Engaging with them in a variety of ways is our overall focus.

[41:47] Okay, thank you my last one while you're there. I know you mentioned police in terms 18% which is 19 that we hire.

[41:57] But do we track any of the others that may have moved somewhere are they were hired by another agency or municipality.

[42:04] Do we track that data as well?

[42:07] Well, when they come in as well as when they're leaving we ask them what are your intentions and we get a fair amount who say they are going to grad school which means we won't see them.

[42:15] And then there's some with similar or related majors who want to go into social work.

[42:22] And so they're getting the exposure with acorns, but they actually don't want to be a law

[42:26] enforcement officer.

[42:27] All right.

[42:28] And my last question for all of you is, if there's an established nonprofit that is already

[42:33] working with youth and they want to reach out and connect, how do they do that?

[42:39] They can reach out directly to us.

[42:40] our information on our Raleigh Police Community Impact and Engagement Division website,

[42:46] all of our contacts. However, they want to reach us. Okay. If any others want to share, feel free.

[42:52] Yep. Mayor Patel. Okay. It's Ken.

[42:56] Thanks, Mayor Branch. I did want to touch on, I'm glad you brought the hoot nights. And one of

[43:00] the things that we did want to offer with my touch, I did invite one of the bubbles.

[43:08] And so this is

[43:10] you look that up there where what are the other things, skills, those type of things.

[43:14] So we've got great partnerships with folks like Raleigh, little theater, other groups.

[43:18] So is there different activities that can speak to different interests?

[43:21] So as we look at those dedicated engagement efforts, who nights is great, right?

[43:26] I was just at Laurel Hill's last night for the adult basketball, right?

[43:29] But there's also a whole group out there to make sure we reach them as well.

[43:31] So we're going to explore different opportunities as we work with our partners to be able

[43:34] to do that.

[43:35] I asked you a question on that so how are y'all communicating that to the public because I know I had some

[43:43] conversations with some other folks in parks earlier in the year about some of the other things you do such as art and those types of things but

[43:50] I don't think very many people know that that's what you're doing and when they hear parks and ricks they automatically assume that it's

[43:56] athletic programming that's happening so how are you communicating that to the community that there are other options.

[44:02] So I'm going to go back to Tisha saying I'm going to say things today they're going to step on your toes.

[44:08] It's probably one of the biggest things we hear is we're not telling the story well enough.

[44:13] One of the paces and we've already talked with Robin is how are we communicating?

[44:16] I need to bring it to you for people in my age Facebook and the leisure ledger still things.

[44:20] Right, for youth or not.

[44:22] And so how are we getting that communication out? We've got to get more dynamic to be perfect honest with you.

[44:27] And make sure we're reaching them where they can.

[44:29] And what I'm really thankful for is we started these conversations, Robins, like we can look at these

[44:33] There's different ways to reach a target audience than some of our tried and true methods because obviously they're not so tried and true

[44:39] When we're hitting some of those groups, so we can do better to be honest with you

[44:43] I want to go to mayor pertin, but I also want to process check

[44:48] I

[44:48] Know we've got like a five hour meeting starting at one none of us have eaten and I just I want to make sure that I'm not putting council under

[45:00] Do you have a break? So what are the rules? Do we need to move on to the next question as soon as I allow Mayor Potem to give the curfew some time? And then what time do we need to break in order to start another meeting at 1 o'clock? Is there a, do we need a? I believe RTN needs 15 minutes between to start another meeting, so. And then I just want to be somewhat humane towards the councilors here and not force it into a situation.

[45:31] If we wrap up with the comments on this one we'll go right into the ordinance and talk about that a little bit and if need be we can kind of carry over after the one o'clock if you all aren't satisfied with that and move it to another space on the agenda.

[45:46] We do have that flexibility.

[45:48] Thank you.

[45:49] Yeah, I'll make my questions brief and you can even get back to me later, it's no problem.

[45:54] I was just curious to learn about that teens against violence conversation that occurred

[45:59] in June just to learn what the young people said about the solutions that they see.

[46:06] And so maybe that can just be shared with us in some way after this meeting.

[46:11] And then also just curious, what is the latest hour for our community centers to be open

[46:17] for the parks, and has that been a conversation about having later hours, perhaps?

[46:22] Yeah, typical community center operations, we close at nine, Monday through Friday.

[46:26] Saturdays were nine to three, Sundays one to six.

[46:30] Those are our typical operating hours.

[46:31] Obviously we have something to open earlier that offered before school, those type programs.

[46:35] Thank you.

[46:39] Okay.

[46:40] I will thank everybody for all of that information.

[46:44] let's move on to the curfew and we have Karen McDonald, the City Attorney's Office.

[46:51] Good afternoon, Council. At your June, July 7th, reading the City Council,

[46:57] directed the City Attorney's Office to draft the youth protection and curfew ordinance for

[47:01] Council's consideration. So today we will explain why the proposal is being considered in its

[47:09] purpose, the chief or review, the juvenile crime, trends and the events of July 4th and

[47:17] 5th, I'll then walk through what the proposed ordinance would actually do, including who

[47:23] it applies to, the restricted hours, and importantly, the exceptions.

[47:28] I'll conclude by explaining how the ordinance would be enforced and the potential penalties

[47:34] next slide.

[47:35] And so the proposed ordinance, next slide,

[47:41] the proposed ordinance is intended to protect

[47:44] juveniles from victimization and exposure to criminal activity.

[47:49] It also seeks to promote a safer environment for juveniles and adults by limiting unsupervised

[47:57] juvenile presence in public places during the late night hours covered by the ordinance.

[48:03] and finally it reinforces the role of parents by emphasizing reasonable parental supervision next slide.

[48:13] With that in mind, I will turn it over to Chief Boyce to talk about juvenile crime trends and the events of July 4th and 5th.

[48:22] And with that, I think he'll move his slides.

[48:26] Yes, I will.

[48:27] Good afternoon Madam Mayor, Council Chief Boyce, Raleigh Police Department. Good seeing you again.

[48:32] Why considering the ordinance, I'll start off by saying the Raleigh Police Department,

[48:37] we are in intelligent lead and data-driven department.

[48:40] Guides are decision-making in how we continue to keep this community safe.

[48:45] It's important that we have data to justify why we do what we do in regards to juveniles

[48:54] and the conversation that we have in here today.

[48:57] Hey, if you look at the slide here, you see in 2025 that we had 821 cases where a juvenile

[49:05] under the age of 18 was a suspect where we arrested or charged on juvenile petition.

[49:13] We charged through secure custody order and took custody of that juvenile.

[49:18] That is for the entire year of 2025.

[49:20] You look at the column to the right, 894 incidents, that is just from January 1 to pretty

[49:28] much about a couple of days ago when we collected this data.

[49:31] You can see that we're already at 894 cases throughout this year where juveniles are

[49:39] listed as a suspect.

[49:41] The increase there, 9% increase, obviously trending in an area or in a direction that is not

[49:48] That good is very concerning to us here at the Royal Police Department.

[49:53] The drill down the number is a little bit more from that 894, 821 and 894.

[50:00] You look at the first category of assaults and aggravated assaults.

[50:04] We're talking about our shootings, our stabbings, or incidents where an injury, a severe injury

[50:10] was caused as a result of an assault.

[50:12] in 2025 you see there with 30 here year-to-date 50 we are already seeing an

[50:19] increase and we still have four months left of 2026. Person shots these are once

[50:26] again juveniles who are listed as a suspect. Entire year 2025 there's 7 20

[50:33] 26 we're already at 12 and that trend is going up as well. Shot's fired into a

[50:40] vehicle or dwelling single digit number in 2025. We're more than double that in

[50:47] 2026 with juveniles shooting into cars in residence. This category next to

[50:54] number of actual rounds, these are the actual bullets that were discharged in

[51:01] those that number five for 2025 and number 12 in 12 in 2026. 15 bullets went

[51:08] went through a car, went through a house, all in 2025, involving juveniles.

[51:13] Here in 2026, that number is up to 190 bullets.

[51:18] Went through a car, a house, a some physical structure, just like that sink in 190 bullets,

[51:26] went through a car or a building, all from the hands of a juvenile.

[51:33] Final category of all totals, you see the violent incidents, all in 2025, 63 total violent

[51:41] incidents involving juveniles who we charged or obtained a security custody for and here

[51:48] in 2026 in August, we're already at 83 and we see the increase there.

[51:55] We are seeing the trend of violence with our juveniles increase year over year.

[52:01] And I only used 2025 since I was the chief, so I wanted to make sure I'm using data that I had some control over as the chief of police here at RPD.

[52:13] So let's talk about pretty much what was the catalyst, what got us here today.

[52:18] I shared numbers in 2025, but it really wasn't highlighted throughout our community what we were experiencing within RPD.

[52:27] But when the events of July 4th and July 5th occurred, that really got everybody's attention so much so pretty much throughout the entire nation saw what developed here in our great city.

[52:41] So on that night, July 4th and the early mornings of July 5th, RPD, we investigated six separate shootings.

[52:49] I will say, I'll get to it in a second.

[52:53] We have one shooting at Brock Creek just after the fireworks display.

[52:57] We have four shootings alone, Glenwood South throughout the night.

[53:01] In early morning, July 5th, we have one shooting in 800 block of Capitol Boulevard.

[53:07] Four of these investigations have been cleared by arrests, and we still have two remaining

[53:12] and active investigations, a fear of confidence in our detectives, they will identify and

[53:19] arrest those who are responsible for those two remaining investigations.

[53:24] Also on July 4th, there was a number of adults, and I think we know that number 29 other adults

[53:29] that were charged with various crimes, assaults, disorderly conduct, other crimes on that night.

[53:37] But the crimes where people were shot, where victims were rushed to the hospital.

[53:45] Majority, if not all of those included a juvenile or involved in juvenile.

[53:50] You look at the incident starting at Brock Creek.

[53:54] We arrested four and actually today we arrested the fifth with help of the United States

[53:59] Marshals.

[54:00] They arrested the fifth suspect, a juvenile in New York City.

[54:05] So, we have a juvenile commitment shooting at Brock Creek Fleet area and was just picked

[54:10] up this morning in New York City.

[54:14] The arrest that we made down on Glenwood South, the victims are juveniles and then I walk

[54:22] through those cases.

[54:24] The first shooting that occurred on Glenwood South at a 600 block of Glenwood, both victims

[54:31] were juveniles.

[54:32] The suspect is a juvenile.

[54:35] The shooting at Tucker Street is a young adult, he's 18 years old, so not a juvenile.

[54:41] That is also one of our remaining cases that has not been solved yet.

[54:47] The third shooting, 14 Glenwood Avenue, the suspect, juvenile, the victim, a juvenile.

[54:55] The fourth shooting on West Street, West Johnson Street, that is also the second case that

[55:01] that is unsolved, those two victims are adults.

[55:05] We have not made an arrest in that case.

[55:07] Finally, the shooting in 800 block of Capitol Boulevard, the suspect in that case, 18-year-old,

[55:14] excuse me, 17-year-old female arrested in Goldsboro with the help of a Goldsboro PD.

[55:20] So you can see the violence on July 4th and July 5th, where people were shot, majority of

[55:27] those cases involve juveniles.

[55:29] So a show you the number, show you the data of the trend with the amount of cases that

[55:36] we are seeing here in the city of Raleigh, and I'll show you how many are connected

[55:42] to individuals who are under the age of 18.

[55:48] So you ask like, why a curfew?

[55:51] I'll be the first to say a curfew is not a fix to what I just showed you.

[55:55] It is a tool that will allow the Royal Police Department to continue to keep the city safe.

[56:01] Some people probably say, well, all those crimes didn't happen at night time, chief.

[56:06] I get it.

[56:07] You're right.

[56:08] But the connection with violence, we have been able to determine that.

[56:14] When we see a lot of, I get asked a lot of times like, chief, where are these juveniles

[56:19] getting these firearms?

[56:20] Where are they getting these guns?

[56:21] Well, we know we've seen that they get these guns from breaking into cars.

[56:26] Well, guess what?

[56:27] They break into cars, usually late at night.

[56:31] And then now they're using those guns to commit crime,

[56:34] which once probably testing come back for some of those shootings on July 4th and 5th,

[56:39] we might be able to track that back to some of our motor vehicle break-ins,

[56:44] as well as a theft of a gun.

[56:46] So being able to put a curfew in place during a specific hour,

[56:51] days at a week, I believe as a chief will help curb some of the violence that we're seeing

[56:57] here in our city that has been committed by juveniles.

[57:01] And overall, this community deserve to be safe and there should be some accountability

[57:06] despite what your age is.

[57:08] We've arrested or we got a secure custody order for as young as 12.

[57:13] That 12-year-old was part of an incident where a gunshot or somebody was shooting.

[57:19] We got a whole people responsible for their actions no matter how old they are.

[57:25] So that's what I have right now, I turn it back over to City Attorney for the additional details.

[57:31] Thank you, Chief.

[57:33] So we'll now look at what the proposed ordinance looks like.

[57:38] And so basically, the proposed ordinance would be for you under 18 and

[57:47] would run from 11 p.m. until 5 a.m. every day of the week.

[57:53] During those hours, during those hours,

[57:57] a juvenile generally could not remain in a public place

[58:00] or establishment unless an exception applies.

[58:04] The ordinance defies a juvenile as a person under 18

[58:09] who is not married, serving in the United States armed forces

[58:14] or emancipated.

[58:15] Next slide. So this slide shows a comparison of some of our peer cities, and you'll see that they also have curfews.

[58:27] And again, as it relates to the proposed Rolly ordinance, it would be under 18 11 p.m. to 5 a.m.

[58:37] So let's talk about some of the exceptions next slide.

[58:40] So most of our peer cities have the following exceptions, the juvenile would not violate

[58:52] the ordinance when accompanied by a parent or legal guardian or otherwise authorize the

[59:00] adult 21 and older, when engaged in lawful employment, traveling directly to or from work,

[59:10] When responding to an emergency, when attending or traveling directly to or from a qualifying

[59:18] school, religious, recreational, civic or governmental activity.

[59:25] The ordinance also protects first-minute activity and as previously stated, our ordinance

[59:33] and our will go to the next slide.

[59:35] Can you say first amendment activity, what is that?

[59:38] So, if you were protesting, so then if you're married or emancipated, next slide.

[59:47] Then we also, in addition to those exceptions that our peer cities have, we would propose

[59:52] except these exceptions as well. So a prior

[1:00:00] Aaron, if you are a college or university student, again, hours would accept the U.S. armed forces.

[1:00:09] And we also think, and although not listed here, we also think and would recommend an exception for a public event, so that would encompass the state fair. A performance, such as a concert, a sporting event, such as when the hurricanes end up going in the overtime,

[1:00:28] a couple of times and sometimes those games in late.

[1:00:32] So we were proposed to add an additional exception

[1:00:35] to cover those as well.

[1:00:37] Next slide.

[1:00:41] So then what does enforcement look like?

[1:00:45] And so enforcement is not automatic,

[1:00:47] it's simply because an officer encounters

[1:00:49] a young person after 11 p.m.

[1:00:53] Before taking an enforcement action,

[1:00:55] the ordinance requires the officer

[1:00:57] to verify the juveniles age and ask the reason the juvenile is in the public.

[1:01:04] So to determine if an exception applies, an officer may not prepare a juvenile petition

[1:01:11] or issue a citation unless there's probable calls to believe an offense occurred and no

[1:01:18] exempt exempt exception or applicable offense is present so essentially what you see there you have an

[1:01:28] encounter you verify you determine if there's an exception and if there's no exception then there's

[1:01:35] enforcement next slide

[1:01:40] so then who can be found in violation of the ordinance certainly a juvenile if no

[1:01:46] exception applies. A parent or guardian who knowingly allows a juvenile to be out during

[1:01:54] the restricted times, or if a juvenile is found to be out, and RPD makes contact says

[1:02:03] your juvenile is out, you need to come pick up your child and they refuse to come pick

[1:02:08] up their child. An adult who aids or abets a juvenile and then an establishment could

[1:02:18] be in violation if they allow a juvenile to stay. It would be a defense to the establishment

[1:02:26] if they notified RPD. We have these juveniles. We've told them they need to leave and they

[1:02:35] they would have to do that in order to have that offense.

[1:02:40] Then, if there is a violation, what does that violation look like?

[1:02:45] For the juvenile, it would be a part of the juvenile court process.

[1:02:50] For all others, it would be a civil citation,

[1:02:55] which would be issued as a class three misdemeanor,

[1:02:58] and a fine of no more than $500.

[1:03:01] Next slide.

[1:03:02] So that concludes my presentation of the proposed ordinance, the Chief and I are available to answer questions.

[1:03:11] Okay. Thank you. I'll go for questions.

[1:03:19] Yes, Councillor Slaughter.

[1:03:22] Just a clarity about, we heard a lot about who attended the TECO, the TNTEC over, which was a catalyst for this to come before us.

[1:03:32] I was very curious

[1:03:37] because you said that it wasn't the team take over, wasn't the impetus,

[1:03:40] it was the trends we're seeing in juvenile violence.

[1:03:45] We've heard that most of the people who attended were adults.

[1:03:48] I don't know if you were able to verify because I just saw some of the images, they seemed

[1:03:53] like young people, but I know we're going to talk about a teen curfew, and I just want

[1:03:57] to make sure that as people talk about what happened on July, that saying most of them

[1:04:03] where adults say that live here, as I mentioned earlier, we have 60, 70, 80,000 young people

[1:04:10] live in our city.

[1:04:11] So can you kind of clarify, do you know the age of all those who attended the Teen Take

[1:04:18] Overs both in Briar Creek or that's just kind of hearsay we've heard from the community?

[1:04:23] Because to me that's kind of relevant of the conversation that if they're all adult we

[1:04:27] don't need the Teen Takeover.

[1:04:28] So, from your intelligence, can you kind of give what your impression was about who attended those teen takeovers?

[1:04:35] Was it teens or was it majority of adults?

[1:04:38] I can't give you, Councilmember Sivir, I can't give you an exact number, what I can say based on just personal observation with Glenwood South.

[1:04:46] A significant amount of folks that were down there were, in my opinion, young adults, but I cannot confirm that.

[1:04:52] I didn't obviously speak to thousands of individuals that looked a certain way, but let

[1:05:01] me go back to what you said about the crime from 2025.

[1:05:08] Yes, it has been occurring, and we did not have any conversations about it until the July

[1:05:13] 4th, July 5th incidents that really highlighted the crime involving juveniles.

[1:05:19] as a chief, that was very concerning like we need to have some discussions of what strategies, what initiatives can we put in place to address this trend that we've seen year over year.

[1:05:32] A curfew was part of that strategy of like if we had one maybe we could curb some of the violence that we're seeing and some of the criminal activity that we're seeing late at night.

[1:05:42] The majority of the kids in this city, they do was right.

[1:05:46] They're not involved, have very little interaction with RPD or any law enforcement.

[1:05:51] But there is a segment of our community where these youth, or Juvenile's, they're committing serious criminal offenses.

[1:05:59] I am looking for strategies that are initiative to curb the violence.

[1:06:03] So it wasn't the team takeover, it allowed you to take a deeper look and expose the trend in juvenile crime from 2025 to 2026.

[1:06:14] That is correct, but also to protect them as well.

[1:06:18] We've seen that many juvenile shot on one particular night, it's time to take some action and do something.

[1:06:26] Other questions or comments?

[1:06:32] So I think we depended upon how many other council members would like to speak to this topic.

[1:06:39] We can break for lunch and then bring it back at the top of the 1 o'clock hour, or we

[1:06:43] can put it up under the City Attorney's agenda if you want it to be later on in the day to

[1:06:48] finish the discussion.

[1:06:49] But I don't think you're going to be able to finish it and then break for lunch and make

[1:06:53] it back at 1 o'clock.

[1:06:54] So we have two options.

[1:06:56] I have several questions, so I'm happy to totally update you.

[1:07:00] Those are the two options, start.

[1:07:01] It also start our meeting just 15 minutes later, something like that to finish this conversation now.

[1:07:06] In my opinion, I don't want to rush this conversation.

[1:07:09] I'd rather start at the top of the one o'clock meeting or put it under the City Attorney's Report,

[1:07:13] so we don't feel like we've got an arbitrary stop point.

[1:07:16] That's just my fault.

[1:07:17] Yeah, I mean, I would do it at the top of the hour just because I know we've got folks that are here interested

[1:07:23] it and came for this particular conversation. I don't want them to have to break for three

[1:07:27] hours and then come back. So do we want to? Okay. Yeah, I guess it's already 36 after

[1:07:34] the hour. So maybe we will recess for basically 20, 25 minutes. Come back at one and instead

[1:07:42] of the normally scheduled we will resume this conversation. Yes. Okay. So apologies to

[1:07:49] everybody on the inconvenience on schedule, but we will recess for a few minutes.

[1:31:57] Can everybody's attention?

[1:32:06] Can everybody please be quiet? Thank you. We need to, we're going to do things a little bit differently today, because we were in the middle of a work session talking about the curfew proposal. We didn't, we were not able to finish that discussion. So what we're going to do is I'm going to gavel close the work session, regaval in for this meeting. We're going to say the pledge of allegiance. We're going to recognize our Raleigh Poet Laureate. And then we are going to

[1:32:34] I could reconvene on the curfew topic out of order and then we will go into public comments.

[1:32:41] So apologize for those of you who this is causing inconvenience, but at some point these are

[1:32:47] big topics and we did not want to shortchange the things.

[1:32:50] So first off, gavling out of the work session into this meeting and then can I ask Jonathan

[1:32:57] Lambert Melton to lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

[1:32:59] States

[1:33:08] of America and to the Republic for which it stands

[1:33:14] in the business.

[1:33:21] One more just public announcement because of late changing, we had a lot of people that

[1:33:26] were very interested in the data center that was originally scheduled for a hearing today.

[1:33:33] That was the petitioner withdrew their petition for that, so we will not have a data center.

[1:33:42] On the agenda today, if you are here for that, you may go, you have free time now, you can go enjoy your afternoon.

[1:33:51] But I'm going to hand it over to Sarah Powers with Raleigh Parks and Recreation.

[1:33:59] Good afternoon, Mayor Counsel, city manager's office.

[1:34:02] I have a really fun job here today.

[1:34:04] We're going to meet our new poet laureate, the city's inaugural.

[1:34:07] poet laureate is here today Mr. Johnny Lee Chapman the third we have a short

[1:34:12] video we

[1:34:19] have a short video to introduce him and the program a little bit and

[1:34:24] we'll have a quick photo opportunity afterwards and we will be back with more

[1:34:28] time for Lee to be creative as he works with our community thank you my

[1:34:40] name is

[1:34:40] Johnny Lee Chapman the third and I am proud to be Raleigh's inaugural poet laureate

[1:34:46] A lot of my poetry growth and experience has happened in Raleigh.

[1:34:52] It's been a wonderful experience to not only go through that, but now be in a position

[1:34:56] where I can steward that.

[1:34:58] It's exciting for Raleigh to welcome our first Coat Laureate.

[1:35:01] This is a unique opportunity to celebrate the creative voices that make our city so special.

[1:35:07] There's so much magic and power in what already exists, so my goal is to not necessarily

[1:35:13] wipe the slate clean and start fresh but to be working with the spaces and the

[1:35:19] people in the communities that have gotten me to this point. So I'm really looking

[1:35:22] forward to giving back to those people. So you know who you are and you'll be

[1:35:28] getting a call from me sometime soon. I want you to be a part of it too. Head

[1:35:33] over to rollync.gov and search poet laureate to check out these work and see what

[1:35:39] next chapter brings.

[1:35:47] Congratulations.

[1:35:53] Do you want to say anything since you're a poet? Any

[1:35:57] words to share? And I will say I got the great opportunity to work with Lee over at Dicks Park

[1:36:04] where if you want to see his poetry on the wall of the house of many porches is the full poem and

[1:36:10] then there are those oak leaves that you saw in the video around the site of a poem that he wrote

[1:36:18] specifically for that site when we were building Gibson Play Plaza so it is great

[1:36:23] to see that he was chosen as our poet laureate. I mean hello everybody. Do I have

[1:36:31] like a quick time to do a quick poem right quick? Yeah go for me. Okay I

[1:36:43] wrote this

[1:36:43] as weekend so it's very new but it's for y'all and it's for me thank you all for

[1:36:48] choosing me to be this individual. Let's say all right inaugural meaning the

[1:36:56] first a pioneer or trailblazer an explorer of the unknown and a companion of

[1:37:03] uncertainty inaugural as in the progenitor the founder and the namesake the

[1:37:10] soon-to-be ancestor but also the initial failure the errors of trial and error the

[1:37:17] The one who determines how to improve for the future, the first in flight, to grace

[1:37:23] the clouds, and also to lose gravity, the guinea pig, the test dummy, the one whose experience

[1:37:30] becomes a lesson for those who come after, inaugural as in a standard bearer, a standard

[1:37:37] to break beyond, a believer who moved with faith, a postmark sent to no destination, an

[1:37:44] origin point, a home and a settlement, a goal always being moved, and a container of communal trust.

[1:37:52] The first voice to discover echo, the first echo to respond to voice, the holder of the pen,

[1:37:59] and the story hidden in the sheets, and as the inaugural there will be eyes. Watching, waiting,

[1:38:07] whispering eyes, eyes unaware to their witnessing is a weight, is a pressure but is also a proposition.

[1:38:16] Give me the spotlight and I will give you a show. Give me the microphone and I will tell you what I know.

[1:38:23] Give me a dream and I will tell you we should go slow and if you trust me as those who chose me to do then give me the opportunity.

[1:38:32] I'll show you what I can do, with space and support, watch this position become a place

[1:38:39] where all can find a moment of inspiration for the inaugural is the result of tangible

[1:38:45] imagination.

[1:38:47] Thank you.

[1:38:51] I want to thank my parents in the back, Johnny and Tammy Chabbid, thank you to Southeast

[1:38:59] Raleigh, thank you to City Soul Cafe, thank you to Fuqua Verena for also birthing me.

[1:39:04] All right.

[1:39:05] Okay, I think we need a photo, so do we want to get up with,

[1:39:37] all right,

[1:40:08] next we will

[1:40:10] turn it back to our city attorney and police chief and the council who had just received

[1:40:18] the draft ordinance and we're starting to discuss it.

[1:40:22] I can do anything that y'all want to come back and just say before we let council start.

[1:40:29] I don't.

[1:40:30] Okay, Councilor Patton, I believe you were next up.

[1:40:35] Hi, Chief.

[1:40:36] Good to see you.

[1:40:37] Thanks for this.

[1:40:38] A couple of questions I have.

[1:40:40] You have a slide in there on peer cities in North Carolina that are also doing curfews.

[1:40:48] Do we have any, I'm curious when did they enact these and what results are they reporting?

[1:40:55] Do we have any data on that?

[1:40:57] I'm only familiar with Winston Salem, there's this fairly new in the past couple of months.

[1:41:03] And I know they're up for a review of their ordinance, that's the only one I'm familiar

[1:41:07] with.

[1:41:08] Okay.

[1:41:09] So for a review, do you mean they did like a pilot or six months or what kind of what was

[1:41:14] the situation there?

[1:41:15] It appears that they just had a pilot and they were just going to come back and look at it,

[1:41:20] they wanted to extend for an extended period of time.

[1:41:24] Okay.

[1:41:24] Great.

[1:41:24] Thank you.

[1:41:26] And then there's also, I guess what I'm trying to understand is how this Corfu adds

[1:41:34] a new tool to your toolbell.

[1:41:37] You showed us a slide that has increased incidence of aggravated assault, et cetera, year

[1:41:44] over year.

[1:41:46] And the numbers are higher, for sure.

[1:41:49] Or all of these things are already crimes.

[1:41:55] So how would the curfew change what we're experiencing here?

[1:42:01] Yes, I gave an example about the amount of vehicle break-ins that we're having here in the city of Raleigh.

[1:42:08] In the time of day or time of night or when they are occurring, they are occurring late at night.

[1:42:13] We understand that what we have seen is that the vehicles have been broken into the weapons have been stolen and then those are used in violent crime.

[1:42:23] If we had a curfew in place during hours of where this reported crime has occurred, maybe that is a way to decrease our violent crime.

[1:42:33] We're trying to get kids off the street and keep them safe and protect it during those late night hours.

[1:42:39] Okay.

[1:42:46] Yeah, I guess, I mean, one thing that I, when I see the number of rounds fired,

[1:42:50] I find myself less thinking, well, better get those law-biting children into their houses,

[1:42:56] and more that, like, the presence of, like, or just a preponderance of unscured weapons in our

[1:43:01] communities is, like, the real source of the problem. And I guess I just wonder, like, the kids

[1:43:09] If you are stealing out of cars, I mean, what's happening to them today, if you police are uncovering a kid who's stealing a weapon out of a car, what's going to happen to that kid now in the current circumstances?

[1:43:20] Right, we're going to follow a juvenile petition.

[1:43:23] We obviously depended on the circumstances at a case, you know, act for secure custody.

[1:43:28] So each case is different, but that's one of two avenues that we would take is to follow a petition or seek secure custody.

[1:43:34] Okay, and then in if a curfewer in order, how would it be handled differently?

[1:43:41] We will make contact with the parent, have the parent come take Kasiya's child, and

[1:43:47] maybe that child is not all any later than the time that we have interactions with them.

[1:43:52] So keeps them safe, as well as keep this community safe or not, having someone that's going

[1:43:57] to commit a crime out on the street late at night.

[1:44:00] So is it the contact of the parent that is the primary?

[1:44:04] It is the engagement with the officer and that juvenile and trying to prevent that behavior from occurring.

[1:44:16] Yes.

[1:44:18] Councillor Ford.

[1:44:20] So I have a couple of questions.

[1:44:21] Chief, I'm looking at your peer, city comparison.

[1:44:24] How did you settle on 18 and under when the other cities, primarily look like they're 16 and under for

[1:44:31] the most part, what's the sale of them is at 17, sure, except 15.

[1:44:36] How did y'all come to the age of 18?

[1:44:39] Yeah, these are just the largest cities that have a curfew here in the state of North

[1:44:42] Kalana, and that's why we used them.

[1:44:44] No, I'm saying in terms of how did we come at 18 and under when the other cities are 16

[1:44:49] and under or 15 and under and what's the sale of the 17 and under?

[1:44:53] easier to enforce when they're already a juvenile under the age of

[1:45:00] Pre-city Charlotte with 13 to 15 and we know that their chief just went before their council asking to amend that to just one particular age under the age of 18 to make it that much more easily, easily enforceable. Okay. And then get them at some of the, the enforcement, you know, policies. How are you really going to be able to enforce it? And let me just be clear about where my comments are coming from.

[1:45:29] or my questions are coming from.

[1:45:32] One of my concerns is making sure that children,

[1:45:36] particularly black and brown kids, are not being targeted,

[1:45:40] and making sure that there's equitable treatment

[1:45:42] with this proposal across the city.

[1:45:46] When you're talking about the exceptions,

[1:45:50] I mean, kids coming from work, going to the movies,

[1:45:53] things along those lines, how do we know kids

[1:45:56] aren't going to be pulled over targeted

[1:45:58] just because they're leaving the movie theater at, you know, they got 10 o'clock shows

[1:46:03] now.

[1:46:03] I didn't realize that.

[1:46:04] I looked for one for a movie last weekend.

[1:46:06] Kids are working in the theaters and, you know, stuff like that.

[1:46:09] So, you know, how are you going to be able to, to do the, the enforcement is a, is a question

[1:46:16] that I have?

[1:46:17] Yes, ma'am.

[1:46:17] This is complaint-based.

[1:46:19] This is not just RPD driving around looking for a kid who they think might be committed

[1:46:24] to crime.

[1:46:24] This is an actual crime has been committed or alleged to be committed.

[1:46:29] And then a stop has occurred and then that interaction between the officer and

[1:46:34] the individual will occur.

[1:46:36] So complaint, like an actual violation has occurred, a criminal act has been alleged to have

[1:46:42] occurred.

[1:46:43] And then that puts the officer in the presence of that individual, determined that they

[1:46:47] are a juvenile, determined that they're out past proposed curfew hours and have that conversation

[1:46:53] about a curfew violation as well as what was the original violation? Was it a traffic offense?

[1:46:59] Was it some other crime that was alleged to have been going on?

[1:47:03] This is my last question. So that kind of you kind of dovetail into one of the things I wanted

[1:47:09] to raise with you as well as the city attorney, is there not a way to look at making something a

[1:47:14] little bit more tailor-made to address the complaints? And so if it's a particular area like we did a lot

[1:47:19] lot of work you were involved in for years with Glenwood South trying to come up with policies

[1:47:24] to make that area more safe based on noise ordinances and people being able to get food

[1:47:32] and stuff at certain times and all of that.

[1:47:34] To tamp down some of the challenges that the business owners were raising, so is there not

[1:47:39] a way to kind of come up with some policies that specifically address council member ranch

[1:47:45] So refer to one of your issues as a particular homeowner's association where they've had kids breaking into the club houses repeatedly.

[1:47:53] So we know that there's an issue there.

[1:47:55] Is there not a way to kind of streamline and have a policy geared towards what the issues and

[1:48:00] the complaints are without having such a broad policy for the entire city.

[1:48:07] So you make sure you're correct.

[1:48:09] You just want to say look at specific areas in the city.

[1:48:11] specific areas where we've got complaints and what the issues are, so if it's a homeowner's association complaining about people breaking into the clubhouse or if we've got specific business owners complaining about issues ongoing with South, like can we not come up with policies to address the actual complaints and what the issues are without coming up with something that's so incredibly broad and target in kids across the entire city.

[1:48:35] We can, I respect that, ma'am.

[1:48:38] What I would say is that also if we focus on one particular part of the city, and they know that, then they go to another part of the city, and then there's nothing in place that that part of the city, that we really accomplish anything by just designating certain parts of the city.

[1:48:54] I guess I don't necessarily mean like just particular areas but I'm just saying like

[1:49:01] if we recognize and maybe we don't necessarily need an ordinance but it may just be that

[1:49:08] if you know there you know more issues happening on Glenwood South I mean what are some

[1:49:13] of the things we need to put into Glenwood South if you know that there's a particular community

[1:49:18] where homeowners associations are complaining that people are breaking it or you've got

[1:49:22] like a rash or break-ins of cars or things along those lines, can we just not put more

[1:49:26] patrols or do more targeted investigation and enforcement in that particular area?

[1:49:32] And then have the flexibility so things start popping up in other parts of town.

[1:49:37] You can respond to it that way, but not necessarily having an ordinance for the entire city or

[1:49:43] targeting large groups of kids who, you know, again, may be leaving canes games or leaving

[1:49:49] the movie theater or leaving jobs or athletic activities or whatever it is that they're doing.

[1:49:55] I think that's just my concern that kids in certain communities could be targeted for

[1:50:00] just doing normal teenage activities if we implement, you know, a curfew along these lines.

[1:50:10] We definitely can look at that and, you know, what involves what is involved in that is just hearing

[1:50:15] from the community, here and from the youth, given us that perspective of what they feel,

[1:50:20] how they feel, and how they would like to see if anything put in place to restrict their movements

[1:50:26] throughout the city. But I think it's the feedback and listening to our community, which I hope

[1:50:31] they get an opportunity to weigh in on this important topic. Okay, Councilor Jones.

[1:50:40] I like you. Thank you for this. I want to speak to transparency of information. And so,

[1:50:46] when, if you can put that slide up of the 800, just to start there. So, you presented

[1:50:54] this earlier that, in 2025, we had 821 juvenile arrests all year and so far, due to date

[1:51:00] where at 894. So, those are numbers that are tangible. How is it possible to get this

[1:51:07] It's quarterly update that I know you do that has these numbers so that it's public facing and is it possible to do that here if I have the community here ready to have this conversation and we want to keep track just to keep points on how how can we make this a more transparent process so that the public knows the numbers that you're looking at as they're happening.

[1:51:28] Great question, Council Member Jones, and yes, it is an opportunity for us to be transparent

[1:51:33] and share these numbers with our community in a quarterly report.

[1:51:38] My team is here.

[1:51:39] We'll make sure that we include that in my quarterly report.

[1:51:43] And where do we go to find that currently?

[1:51:45] Hopefully we can bring it to the table, but in lieu of that, is it just on the website?

[1:51:49] How can residents access your quarterly updates?

[1:51:52] It will be on a website.

[1:51:53] On the website.

[1:51:55] We can share that with the City of Raleigh website as well.

[1:51:58] Okay.

[1:51:58] Thank you so much.

[1:51:59] Yes, ma'am.

[1:52:01] Definitely.

[1:52:01] Thank you for the information.

[1:52:03] And this is our first time seeing it.

[1:52:04] So thank you for presenting it to us.

[1:52:06] My question is around parents.

[1:52:10] I know this is geared towards youth and youth curfew.

[1:52:13] But what's in place to help us get support from the parents

[1:52:19] of the guardian of the youth to make sure they're safe.

[1:52:22] Great question, Council Member Branch.

[1:52:24] In this conversation, we understand that the curfew alone

[1:52:27] is not to fix.

[1:52:29] It's important that we have feedback from our parents,

[1:52:32] from our youth, from our business community as well,

[1:52:34] and just overall city of Raleigh community.

[1:52:37] We need to find those resources for our parents.

[1:52:39] There are some parents that are struggling

[1:52:41] just to make ends meet every day.

[1:52:44] And now you put another potential obstacle as some have said

[1:52:48] But in place it's going to make it that much more difficult.

[1:52:51] But as a city, as a community, we still need to identify resources that can help our parents be a parent.

[1:52:59] You saw the presentation earlier from my other city department partners.

[1:53:03] That's part of that conversation as well, what are we looking at, what can we provide for our parents?

[1:53:09] Don't have an answer for you today, Councilmember Branch, but it's definitely part of the conversation to help parents with this challenge.

[1:53:16] Okay. And as we've seen this, I know folks are here. Please get a chance. Are we going

[1:53:22] to have this posted for? So this will be posted for people to look at it. Again, we're

[1:53:29] not voting on this today, but definitely a chance. Please provide feedback. I know there's

[1:53:33] some that will speak doing public comment on this as well. But I would say for me and Councillor

[1:53:38] four headed off, I have incidences where I've said in meetings at H O A's where

[1:53:47] people, young people, have broken into their club houses and places around one

[1:53:53] o'clock to a clock in the morning. Police have been called. We're just, you know,

[1:53:57] what can we do to try to hold parent? For me, it's all about the home, the

[1:54:02] parents. What can we do? What can we put in place? And hopefully, also, if

[1:54:06] nothing else. The fact we're having this conversation, hope there's a wake up call for people to step up and try to help us solve this because I don't feel this is just an issue that only we can solve is going to take all of us.

[1:54:19] It's definitely a community approach and a community approach is needed to address the crime here in Raleigh when it comes to young, young offenders.

[1:54:27] I just a piggyback, could I just get clarity from the city attorney on process here?

[1:54:34] This is a, we've got an ordinance that you've given us.

[1:54:39] This, you know, where will it be posted, how do people know what's in it?

[1:54:43] And then, what is the public comment, you know, opportunities?

[1:54:47] I know we've got some folks today, but could you just kind of outline how this rolls out

[1:54:52] from here?

[1:54:53] So the ordinance has understand it has been uploaded and is available on the city website.

[1:55:00] It is certainly up to the council, but we would suggest that this not come back until

[1:55:08] September the 15th, that would create an opportunity for a public comment in September.

[1:55:15] You have the night meeting, the second Tuesday in September, public comment session, as well as you will have another public comment session in September.

[1:55:27] We could bring it back on September 15th, or we could wait.

[1:55:31] It is certainly up to the council.

[1:55:33] Okay, thank you, Councilor Silver.

[1:55:37] Can you go to slide about the other cities?

[1:55:41] As we contain this conversation, this is something that Councilmember Patnid asked.

[1:55:47] If we could just get some feedback to know, you said you're familiar with Winston-Salem

[1:55:52] for those that put a curfew in place.

[1:55:56] If we could understand the pros and cons, some of the unintended impacts or consequences

[1:56:03] would be helpful for us.

[1:56:04] So, if there is a curfew, we can fine-tune it.

[1:56:08] So, that would be helpful.

[1:56:09] Clearly, the hours are different, and the age is different, but that would be very

[1:56:14] helpful just to know, since I was a pilot with some of the others, what has been the implications

[1:56:21] both positive and negative as a result of the curfew.

[1:56:25] The second point is that, you know, you and I spoke before, this was introduced, and I

[1:56:32] I told you from me, it's very important that we have a balanced approach.

[1:56:36] As you stated, the curfew is not going to solve the problem.

[1:56:39] It is just one tool of many efforts for those that did not see it early.

[1:56:44] We had a presentation from Parks and Recreation, and then all the other partners that help our youth.

[1:56:51] My concern is that I did the numbers 10 to 19 is 12% of our population, that's roughly 60,000 people between that age.

[1:57:00] these programs are capturing at best a few thousand.

[1:57:04] And so from my perspective, I was very moved by Tyesha Mosley's presentation,

[1:57:08] reaching out to the teens about what they're looking for.

[1:57:11] Some don't want program events.

[1:57:13] They want safe spaces they can hang out without adults.

[1:57:17] And so for me, it's very important that we take a good look at that survey

[1:57:20] because the teens, they want to be heard.

[1:57:23] They're sharing with us the experiences they want

[1:57:25] and want to make sure if we have a curfew,

[1:57:28] We have other programs and we are now listening to create some of those safe spaces.

[1:57:34] I also shared earlier that when I was in New York, we created a yes learning project because we felt in New York City teams were the most targeted population in public space.

[1:57:44] We wanted to find how we can create more comfort if there were 16 ages walking down the sidewalk.

[1:57:50] What is our first reaction to have our hand or to shut down and walk the other way?

[1:57:54] So I think all of us collectively, parents, citizens really have to do all of the above.

[1:58:00] I think we have to look at the option of a curfew, look at programming, look at other ways

[1:58:05] we can hear teens continue these teen summits.

[1:58:09] So I just wanted to know your reaction to have that balance approach that is not just a curfew

[1:58:14] to solve these problems.

[1:58:15] There's a broader approach that we, the community, the businesses, parents, nonprofits have

[1:58:21] collectively pay attention to.

[1:58:23] So, I could not have said a better sir, that's exactly what it is, is having those conversations

[1:58:28] from all those different, let's say stakeholders in crafting whatever this looks like to keep

[1:58:34] our community safe, to keep our young folks safe.

[1:58:37] It is going to take a community to get us there and obviously partnering with other departments

[1:58:43] within the city of Raleigh, but also throughout this community, a lot of nonprofits, some of

[1:58:48] that are here that are doing amazing work in our community.

[1:58:50] do we need to look at, let's say, programming?

[1:58:53] What time are we offering these resources?

[1:58:56] Is that something we need to look at?

[1:58:58] Absolutely.

[1:58:59] So it's a conversation that we need to have,

[1:59:03] and I look forward to the feedback that we'll get today,

[1:59:05] and going forward, and what that looks like.

[1:59:08] But I just want you, and everyone in this community,

[1:59:10] know that from the police department perspective,

[1:59:13] it's all about safety.

[1:59:14] It's not about targeting anyone, it's about community safety.

[1:59:19] Chief, I have one question for you.

[1:59:23] In some of this debate, we have referenced that as mayor, I have the ability to call

[1:59:29] an emergency curfew.

[1:59:31] And that is in our current city ordinance and I am certainly, you know, with Stan willing

[1:59:34] to do that and obviously we'll work with the chief to understand if that's necessary.

[1:59:39] But for you, what is the advantage of not relying on those emergency, you know, and having

[1:59:47] any more permanent curfew, what are the pros and cons for you of going this route versus

[1:59:53] just relying on this emergency tool?

[1:59:55] Who wanted a pros is that.

[2:00:00] We're not making phone calls in the middle of an incident where we need to enact a curfew. It's already there. We know what the protocol is. We can quickly address whatever issue and keep everyone safe and move on. If we don't have it in place, something happens. We're in the middle, let's use July 4th. I'm making phone calls with you, the manager. We're having a conversation. While we're having a conversation, things are happening.

[2:00:28] While we're having a conversation, someone might be getting hurt.

[2:00:33] And we're just in the middle of it, and we're trying to make a decision whether to enact a curfew.

[2:00:39] The biggest piece in this, in a situation like that, is communication.

[2:00:44] How quickly can we get this message out to our community?

[2:00:47] Who's going to be paying attention to their phone at one in the morning when you have chaos going on?

[2:00:54] And so we're going to be behind the eight ball in just a communication gap of

[2:00:59] notifying our community that there is a curfew, emergency curfew in place.

[2:01:03] How quickly can we get that to our media partners to disseminate that through, through the media.

[2:01:09] So just be behind the eight ball and communicate that to our community.

[2:01:13] All right, thank you.

[2:01:14] Yes, Mayor Patel.

[2:01:16] Yeah, thank you so much Chief Boys for the presentation.

[2:01:19] I think what I have been really wrestling with are just the root causes of youth violence

[2:01:26] and when young people are involved in criminal activity and I think a lot of us, you know,

[2:01:32] we know where that comes from, you know, it's a lack of opportunity, sometimes it's a lack

[2:01:37] of structure.

[2:01:38] We don't have, in my opinion, state or national leaders that model what we ought to be

[2:01:44] seen for Raleigh. We don't always have the investments in education, in mental health, and social

[2:01:51] services that we need. We do not have proper gun control. And so a lot of these topics, they go

[2:01:57] beyond the city of Raleigh, and we need help from real leaders across our country. I do want to just

[2:02:03] note, if you are looking for gun locks, you can get those at all of our RPD district offices.

[2:02:10] so please lock up your weapons.

[2:02:14] You know, I do not want to see more young people with access to guns

[2:02:18] because all of a sudden a fight just becomes that much more scary, that much more dangerous.

[2:02:24] I'm really looking forward to our youth programming options to increase

[2:02:28] and add capacity to those to work with our partners.

[2:02:31] And I know I felt really hot after Glenwood South, after Breyer Creek on the 4th of July, a lot of us did.

[2:02:37] and so I'm looking now to, you know, be a little bit more.

[2:02:42] I'm going to say thoughtful and hear from everyone

[2:02:44] about this curfew idea, how this could impact folks,

[2:02:48] and just want to hear from residents

[2:02:50] on, you know, whether this feels like the right move,

[2:02:53] but we do have time before we would enact anything.

[2:02:58] Okay, any other questions on this topic?

[2:03:01] Yes.

[2:03:03] Maybe more feedback, but I know we're eager to move on

[2:03:06] to the next. So a couple of things that I've been

[2:03:10] thinking about, I agree, when right after the events of July 4th, we were all very troubled.

[2:03:14] And I think, I feared that that would happen again, but I think across the country,

[2:03:18] cities that experience teen takeovers have not seen recurrence of that. And so I also want to be more

[2:03:24] thoughtful. Ultimately, this is a curtailing of people's rights to move around their city freely,

[2:03:29] and that should be done with extreme care and caution. And one thing that I'm a little,

[2:03:34] So, you know, that I'm ruminating on a lot here is that the thought is if we tell all the law binding children to be at home, then they'll be out of the way of any violence that might occur from other people who will not abide the laws.

[2:03:48] And I'm not sure that that is like the approach we want to take to public safety even think we could then begin to, I mean, I mean, I think about how we would apply that logic to like, should women just not be allowed in bars because then they won't get raped or should people just not go to school?

[2:04:04] to concerts because they might get AP in experienced mass violence and I'm not sure that that's a line

[2:04:11] of thinking we want to guide our public safety approach. Another thing that I'm a little bit

[2:04:18] challenged by is these exceptions carve out moving from one private space to another which I fear

[2:04:25] just rewards folks with money, right? If you are a kid who can afford to go to the Keynes game

[2:04:30] and you're going to go from your Keynes game straight home, then you qualify for this

[2:04:37] exception, but if you are a person who can only afford to cook out milkshake and would

[2:04:41] like to have your unstructured time out of your parents eye, then you're not.

[2:04:48] You don't qualify for an exception, and so I fear that there's a little bit of a social

[2:04:52] stratification that we're creating here through these exceptions.

[2:04:56] But the part that I do resonate with is that the parental accountability piece, I really

[2:05:03] do resonate with that.

[2:05:04] The idea that if your kid is going to get up to mischief, you're going to have responsibility

[2:05:08] there and that maybe there's more we can do, and so I guess the feedback I would offer

[2:05:14] is to explore if there are legal ways to amp up that parental accountability piece which

[2:05:20] I do think is valid without such a sweeping curtailment of people's ability to move around

[2:05:27] their city.

[2:05:27] So are there ways we can update our ordinance if you are breaking into the clubhouse,

[2:05:32] we are going to detain you until your parents come or whatever, like all these other mischief

[2:05:37] making activities, can we just like crank up the parental accountability piece, I do want

[2:05:43] to give you that tool and I do resonate with that as an important piece of the pie.

[2:05:47] Thank you.

[2:05:48] Any other comment on this topic?

[2:05:52] Okay, and as you heard, more to come, but thank you Chief, thank you City Attorney and we will move on to other items on our agenda.

[2:06:00] Do we need to do anything?

[2:06:01] So is the direction that we will bring this back in September or wait until October so that you have two full public comment sessions?

[2:06:13] I think we want the two public comment sessions.

[2:06:15] I mean that's kind of what my understanding so whatever date that leads us to okay, so we would

[2:06:21] I think we can still accomplish that on the 15th because you have some that can speak today

[2:06:26] And then you'll have the dedicated public comment section on September 8th

[2:06:30] And then on the 15th meeting there's a public comment opportunity as well

[2:06:34] And we can put it on the agenda so that it can come after the public comment section

[2:06:38] Okay sounds like a plan. Thank you

[2:06:42] All right, we have the consent agenda.

[2:06:47] We had no items pulled to my understanding, so is there a motion?

[2:06:53] All in favor of that motion?

[2:06:54] Aye.

[2:06:55] All opposed nay, so that is unanimous.

[2:06:59] We will now move into public comment, and I have Justin Clifton.

[2:07:07] And this is one minute per person because we have 40 folks signed up, so yeah.

[2:07:18] Testing.

[2:07:19] Yep.

[2:07:21] Well, I wasn't nervous to go first, but after hearing the poem earlier, I maybe need

[2:07:24] to reevaluate.

[2:07:26] Good afternoon, councilmembers.

[2:07:29] You may have noticed as you walk or drive our city that a legion of cameras have appeared

[2:07:35] on our roads and streets.

[2:07:37] These automated license plate readers photograph every passing car, log where it was, and win

[2:07:43] as well as images of the vehicle into a searchable database.

[2:07:46] driving here today cameras on US 70, I 40 and 540 logged my route and they do

[2:07:54] the same to everyone here today and every citizen of Raleigh without good

[2:07:58] reason. Despite their proliferation to my knowledge council has never voted on

[2:08:04] this powerful surveillance technology. These devices are in desperate need of

[2:08:10] oversight. Here's an example of what happens without oversight in Morrisville, North

[2:08:14] Carolina right down the road, an officer logged into flock 31 times to stock her boyfriend's ex-wife, and falsified the reason for 29.

[2:08:33] Thank you so much.

[2:08:37] Tatiana Cooper?

[2:08:44] Perfect timing.

[2:08:46] Good afternoon, Mayor Cowell and members of Raleigh City Council.

[2:08:50] I am Tatiana Cooper and I am here to represent saving adolescent girls everywhere, also known as Sage.

[2:08:56] Sage is a weekly mentorship program.

[2:08:57] We currently serve 30 girls from the ages of 12 to 18 with a current weightless of 386 girls

[2:09:03] For three years, we've been a reliable partner with Raleigh Parks and Recreation receiving funding and transportation in Karn

[2:09:10] Recently the partnership ended due to Raleigh Parks adopting a new co-op model leaving us only the summer to find alternate funding resources

[2:09:17] This is an unexpected decision for an organization that consistently serves and mentors adolescent girls

[2:09:23] Today we ask that the City of Raleigh consider grandfathering sage into a three to five year contract or established metrics that would allow us to qualify for longer term funding.

[2:09:33] In light of the recent takeovers, we are stressing the importance of supporting our teens.

[2:09:39] Sage provides a safe environment with a 99% retention rate, zero suspensions and a 100% graduation rate.

[2:09:46] We got our girls through both middle and red.

[2:09:57] Thank you.

[2:10:04] Shane Stanley.

[2:10:13] Hello, Councilmembers. My name is Shane Stanley. I am a Glenwood South resident, former

[2:10:18] NC State student and former Raleigh teenager. I'm here to challenge the ongoing narrative

[2:10:22] of simply dismissing this incident as a team takeover. I was on Glenwood South on the 4th

[2:10:26] of July and I would not describe the agitators as teenagers, or rather they were grown adults.

[2:10:30] Calling it a team takeover is a deflection so you all can slap a curfew on the issue,

[2:10:33] and don't have to address the controversial topic of gun violence in our city.

[2:10:37] The gun violence in Glenwood South has been happening and increasing long before this so-called

[2:10:41] team takeover event. The police chief himself said, we were prepared for the crowds. What we weren't prepared for was the amount of guns we recovered off people. Yet we're still supposed to blame the crowds, not the proliferation of guns for the violence.

[2:10:53] WRIL reported 27 adults, mostly from out of town, were arrested, so why are we punishing our city's teenagers? Implementing a curfew increases workload on our police force, increases citizen interactions with police officers, and waste our city resources, all while not actually addressing the gun violence issue.

[2:11:09] Thank you. My question to you is, what actual measurable policies are you having adults with you?

[2:11:22] Thank you.

[2:11:26] Kerry Bennington.

[2:11:31] Kerry here. Okay. Jane Hubbard.

[2:11:50] If y'all can let the speaker

[2:11:52] come down so that we're not delaying the meeting, thank you.

[2:12:00] Your parks recreation and Greenway advisory board composed of park advocates who are well

[2:12:06] verse in this area and spent more time on it than you can imagine.

[2:12:12] They voted 9 to 5, not to recommend to this Council, the City's proposed project, routing

[2:12:22] through Anderson Forest.

[2:12:24] Why did they do that?

[2:12:26] Because of deception and bias by city staff and public presentations, even to you, deception

[2:12:33] action and bias in public surveys, environmental concerns, including the gross violation of our perian water quality rules.

[2:12:43] Condemnation of a conservation easement, flooding in other public safety concerns, high cost, very high cost, and poor trail quality.

[2:12:53] Why would you believe what the city staff said over your own advisory committee is selected?

[2:13:01] Thank you.

[2:13:03] Robert Hubbard.

[2:13:14] Regarding the potential kind of nation of a long-standing conservation easement and

[2:13:21] private backyards in Anderson Forest, better alternatives exist that could achieve cost

[2:13:26] effective greenway connection.

[2:13:29] Using existing public street rights of way, many miles of street and sidewalk connections

[2:13:35] already exists throughout Raleigh's greenway system, with good alternatives

[2:13:40] condemnation is unnecessary. It is irresponsible and illogical

[2:13:45] to spend millions more than the entire big branch bond allocation

[2:13:50] on a short poor quality route with so many problems. This is

[2:13:54] especially true when a street and sidewalk connector would adequately

[2:13:58] serve the vast majority of the greenway using public at one tenth of

[2:14:03] the cost. And if the multimodal bridge is never completed, a bad decision creates an

[2:14:09] embarrassingly expensive seldom used greenway to know where.

[2:14:15] Thank you.

[2:14:18] Horace Clemens.

[2:14:23] Council, I have been for you over the last three years,

[2:14:27] three or four different times to discuss issues with the NOAA's ordinance as it relates to commercial

[2:14:33] next to residential. And I've seen nothing change that would solve the problem specifically

[2:14:41] of my complaints against Pratt Industries. Pratt is now going to go to 24-hour operation

[2:14:47] and they will be able to continue to disturb the residents that are adjacent to them.

[2:14:52] I was told I would get a chance to review the new ordinance. I got a phone call. I have

[2:15:00] To that, I would appreciate that ability. Thank you. Thank you.

[2:15:07] Jonathan Garland.

[2:15:11] I'm here to present a common occurrence. Residents were labeled publicly as being in violation, not because they broke any rule, but because the enforcement process misunderstood the mathematics needed to determine what a violation actually was. That happened during the recently lifted watering restrictions. Drip irrigation was fully unrestricted. Your residents who were only using drip irrigation were singled out and issued violations.

[2:15:33] any way. I provided the city with the educational materials showing why the drip flow rates were being misinterpreted.

[2:15:40] Once that information was reviewed, many of those violations were rescinded. On July 9th, WRA reported 46% of irrigation systems were in violation.

[2:15:49] Only 17% of the violations that were actually valid within my customer base. That means the true violation rate wasn't 46% is publicly announced.

[2:15:58] It was likely closer to 7%.

[2:16:00] A discrepancy that large should be corrected publicly as it was announced publicly.

[2:16:06] We must prepare, trust in the enforcement process by correcting this enforcement process.

[2:16:11] Thank you.

[2:16:15] Zyna Balah.

[2:16:22] Good afternoon.

[2:16:23] People are hurting.

[2:16:24] Our city is hurting.

[2:16:25] Trigger warning.

[2:16:26] This weekend a black man was found hanging from a tree in downtown Raleigh.

[2:16:30] Whatever this investigation ultimately finds the reality is horrible.

[2:16:34] and the response has exposed something else.

[2:16:36] There is a deep lack of trust between parts of this community in our police department.

[2:16:40] And in this moment, we're considering giving that system another reason to police our children.

[2:16:46] The police's shape gave a lot of data.

[2:16:48] I'd also like to highlight the statistic that black residents in Raleigh are arrested at a rate five times more than white residents.

[2:16:54] If any other city department had this type of racial bias, it would be dismantled.

[2:16:59] Also, there is a teen curfew in Fayetteville that is currently failing that the police don't even like.

[2:17:03] How does the curfew make young people safer?

[2:17:06] Does it improve their mental health, give them somewhere to go, give them jobs, mentors, community?

[2:17:11] No, you can't build a city around adult nightlife, counsel literally made a whole social district around drinking.

[2:17:17] Then give teenagers nowhere comparable together, we don't have any teen districts, and then criminalize them for showing up.

[2:17:33] A. Our steward.

[2:17:34] Good

[2:17:42] afternoon.

[2:17:44] Streamside option 1B of the Big Branch Greenway Connector Project has become a breach of trust

[2:17:50] and transparency, property rights, environmental responsibility, and fiscal accountability.

[2:17:56] Throughout this process, residents have repeatedly had to uncover vital information that should

[2:18:02] have been provided openly.

[2:18:04] We have watched the city pursue an option that conflicts with its own environmental protections

[2:18:09] while the projected cost has exploded.

[2:18:12] What was presented as a project that would fit within a roughly 4.5 million bond allocation

[2:18:18] is now estimated at nearly 9 million, and that's before the cost of acquiring private

[2:18:23] property and condemnation litigation.

[2:18:27] This is not fiscal responsibility, especially when Raleigh is facing continuing budget deficits.

[2:18:33] This council has an obligation to protect taxpayers, respect, private property, uphold its own environmental commitments, and be honest with its citizens.

[2:18:45] Thank you.

[2:18:47] Mises Altari,

[2:18:53] Jeremy Gilchrist.

[2:19:00] This past Saturday the disturbing news of a black man hanging from a tree in downtown Raleigh made its way through our streets and across the nation.

[2:19:08] The implications of this and the obvious connection with the worst chapters of our history are clear.

[2:19:13] lynchings were one of many episodes of white savagery in an effort to preserve systemic

[2:19:19] pale-faced supremacy.

[2:19:21] My own privilege is soaked in the blood of countless black bodies, and these unspeakable

[2:19:25] acts occurring over the course of hundreds of years.

[2:19:28] It was said that the speculation was harmful, but it is just another manifestation of deep

[2:19:33] trauma and a complete lack of trust in all institutions in the shadow of overt fascism in this country.

[2:19:40] Even if it was a suicide, the victim was still a casualty murdered by this horrific system.

[2:19:45] The so-called team takeover on Glenwood is one more.

[2:19:50] The younger generations feel, in large part, that there is no real future.

[2:19:53] More policing and curfews will not change that mindset.

[2:19:56] It only deepened the problem as it inevitably means more police, more arrests, and the lives

[2:20:01] of young people of color.

[2:20:16] I have been sitting here listening to the council, but I would like to say in 2007,

[2:20:22] Southeast Raleigh had the highest number of murders, which was 15, in 2007, on the corner

[2:20:29] of the 300 block of Tobbe Road, a young man was shot and killed, and he ran across to the

[2:20:37] the side of the top of road and we were dropping flyers. He died in my lap. He died in my lap.

[2:20:45] And this young man was so afraid. He was crying. And you know what I told him? It's all right.

[2:20:52] It's all right. Because I knew he was dying. And a lot of people asked me that didn't bother you.

[2:21:00] I said it did in a sense, but I got my shift together. I would just like to say this.

[2:21:07] Y'all have been here before. Y'all have really been here before. It's just that y'all are not following the process of Chief Dolan.

[2:21:16] Thank

[2:21:28] you.

[2:21:31] We're a minute.

[2:21:33] What? Yeah, thank you.

[2:21:38] Emma Hughes.

[2:21:41] Emma here. Yeah, okay.

[2:21:55] Hello, council. My name is Emma Hughes and I live on the 400 block of South Bloodworth Street.

[2:21:59] I'm here today because Raleigh's residential parking permit program is unnecessarily cumbersome on individual residents and especially renters.

[2:22:07] I'm asking the council to take three immediate actions.

[2:22:09] One, fix the underlying process by reforming the city's residential parking policies and signage.

[2:22:14] Two, protect residents while parking restrictions are under review by pausing citations in those areas.

[2:22:20] And three, remove all-time limiting parking signage in the 400 block of South Bloodworth Street, which is eligible for the program.

[2:22:26] For renters, the barriers to qualify for the parking program are higher than homeowners.

[2:22:31] Renters are responsible for navigating the process, but much of the power is to complete it rest with property owners who may not even live in the state.

[2:22:38] And in some cases, tenants are required to obtain notarized affidavits from property owners, including out of state management companies just to participate in the program.

[2:22:47] Renters live in Raleigh, pay taxes here and are subject to the same parking restrictions, but we have far less power to change them.

[2:22:52] I'm bringing this issue to council because I've personally followed the process.

[2:22:56] Thank you.

[2:22:59] Mary Thompson.

[2:23:02] Okay.

[2:23:03] Not seeing.

[2:23:04] Mary.

[2:23:05] Chris Crew.

[2:23:15] Good afternoon.

[2:23:16] Thank you for your time and for your immense effort on our behalf.

[2:23:20] Our neighborhoods are the framework upon which we build community.

[2:23:23] We have a rich and diverse assortment of neighborhoods spread across 96,000 acres.

[2:23:29] And who knows which ones of these will last to add to the distinction that the Oakwoods

[2:23:33] five points, the Prince Halls, the Oberlin's Bring to Raleigh.

[2:23:37] These are important enough to us that the UDO says we will accommodate and encourage

[2:23:42] development in existing neighborhoods while reinforcing the established character of

[2:23:46] the neighborhood and mitigating impacts on the adjacent homes at section 2.2.7.

[2:23:53] Preservation is not about nebianism, it's not anti-growth, it's not fossilization.

[2:23:59] Preservation is about the maintenance of the neighborhood framework that allows us to build community.

[2:24:05] Thank you.

[2:24:08] Ramaya Robinson.

[2:24:17] Good afternoon.

[2:24:18] My name is Ramaya.

[2:24:19] I'm a youth organizer with education justice alliance.

[2:24:22] So recently we saw that cities across North Carolina and across the United States have been

[2:24:26] asking for these curfews because of these team takeovers, right?

[2:24:31] And I put in quote, team takeovers because the news and observer reported 29 of those arrests

[2:24:36] Yes, we're 18 and up.

[2:24:39] Across 12 quantitative studies done by the Campbell Institute, curfews have no meaningful

[2:24:45] impact on juvenile offending.

[2:24:47] The data shows that instead of creating safety, curfews increase the surveillance and

[2:24:51] criminalization of young people, especially black youth, simply for being present in public

[2:24:56] spaces.

[2:24:57] I work with teenagers.

[2:24:58] I've asked them where to hang out, nowhere, because they can't.

[2:25:02] They can't go to the mall, they can't go to the movies.

[2:25:04] There are curfews already in place in all the areas that when I was a kid, I hung out at.

[2:25:10] So if we want them to be able to show up in these spaces, we have to ask them where they want to go, what they need.

[2:25:19] Thank you.

[2:25:23] Karen Brown,

[2:25:36] good afternoon, my name is Karen Brown.

[2:25:38] I'm asking you to deny Z4325.

[2:25:41] When our case was heard by the Planning Commission last week, Commissioner Neptune thoughtfully walked through Raleigh's

[2:25:46] Raleigh's comprehensive plan, applied it directly to our neighborhood, considering infrastructure,

[2:25:51] community character, surrounding density streets, and safety.

[2:25:55] Commissioner Shelburne acknowledged that his analysis was incredibly thoughtful and well researched.

[2:26:00] Yet his vote relied on what he called general observations about Raleigh's need for housing and continued growth.

[2:26:07] A general philosophy about growth should not outweigh a site-specific analysis based on Raleigh's own adopted policies.

[2:26:14] An appointed commissioners' personal beliefs should never override the policies they were appointed to apply.

[2:26:20] You appoint these commissioners and residents need to trust that these appointments will uphold the planning framework you adopted.

[2:26:27] Otherwise, what's the point of the comprehensive plan?

[2:26:30] Raleigh will grow, the responsibility is deciding where that growth belongs.

[2:26:34] So the question before you is simple, does this level of growth belong here?

[2:26:40] Thank you.

[2:26:55] I'm a competitive mountain bike racer so I'm very comfortable on a bike, but during

[2:26:59] many parts of the day, I don't even feel comfortable riding out of my own driveway

[2:27:03] and onto my street.

[2:27:05] I have to have my parents load my bike onto a car and drive me somewhere safe.

[2:27:09] Isn't it strange that I feel more comfortable riding on difficult, unsafe terrain with a hundred

[2:27:16] other kids than on my own street. This isn't just about riding my bike. I'm 15, I'm at an age

[2:27:22] where I'm exploring more and I should be getting more independence. It's hard to have independence

[2:27:26] when you can't get to where you should be, want to be. I also have two younger brothers as they

[2:27:31] get older. I want this road to be safe for them as well. More traffic looks like numbers on paper,

[2:27:38] but for the people that live there, numbers don't really matter as much. Please think about the kids

[2:27:42] who live here before adding more traffic.

[2:27:45] Please deny Z4325, thank you.

[2:27:47] Thank you.

[2:27:51] Philip Brown.

[2:28:00] That's my boy, appreciate it.

[2:28:01] I want to respectfully correct several points raised

[2:28:04] during the planning commission's discussion of Z4325.

[2:28:07] First Commissioner Baird referenced

[2:28:08] the approximately 32 hens that could be potentially developed

[2:28:11] under the property's current zoning.

[2:28:13] And we've never argued that only 12 hens can legally be built.

[2:28:16] We argued simply that 12 hens represents a responsible scale

[2:28:19] of development for the infrastructure

[2:28:21] that actually exists today.

[2:28:22] And ultimately, the appropriate transportation authority, not the neighbors, will determine what access is permitted.

[2:28:27] But the larger issue, the previous planning commission studied this case extensively and

[2:28:31] recommended to now eight to one.

[2:28:33] And after the commission's membership change, and some members were recused, denial still prevailed four to three.

[2:28:40] We lost only one vote.

[2:28:42] What changed, not the road, not the infrastructure, not the comp plan, the commission changed.

[2:28:46] New members, without the same months of history, were asked to suddenly decide the fate of an existing case.

[2:28:51] And that exposes a fundamental fall in this process.

[2:28:53] Cases of this consequentiality deserve continuity.

[2:28:57] Commissioners deciding them should have the same death of information,

[2:29:00] not simply inherit the final chapter in Casavote.

[2:29:05] Thank you.

[2:29:08] Marissa Green.

[2:29:17] I am Marissa Green and I'm here in opposition to Z4325.

[2:29:21] I want to talk about the CITIQR code notice signs.

[2:29:24] Today the people guaranteed to receive notice are primarily those who are on a tax record.

[2:29:28] But families who rent people in multi-tenant buildings and others will feel the impacts of development may never receive a letter.

[2:29:36] Instead, they may be expected to see a sign, scan a QR code.

[2:29:41] Navigate a website, recognize a street number versus their neighborhood by its historical name, and hope that the dates are accurate.

[2:29:49] That isn't meaningful notice, it's a technicality.

[2:29:52] For Z4325, hundreds of tenants were not directly

[2:30:00] For the meeting that had taken place. This is not a harmless error. When people don't know a decision as being made, they cannot participate in the decision. So I ask counsel who bears the responsibility for making sure the public isn't actually informed. Every person deserves equal access to the same information about meetings. Thank you. Ashley Heath Armstrong.

[2:30:25] First, thank you for getting my name correct. That means a lot. I had planned to stand here

[2:30:31] before you and talk about options with the affordable housing program that's on Saturday

[2:30:34] it's completely booked and hoping that we're going to have overflow with online and I

[2:30:39] attempted to get that information and also to talk about youth engagement in response

[2:30:44] to this task force.

[2:30:47] We have community centers that are simply not being used, Chavis Center in particular.

[2:30:53] Right now the only time the students and the young people could play in open gym is on Sunday

[2:30:58] during family time.

[2:30:59] Same thing at Barwell Road, it's a little bit different, but we built this beautiful

[2:31:03] facility and we're not using it.

[2:31:05] We can use volunteers, I'm one of them, my background is in education and teens.

[2:31:11] That's why, in December, I wrote a check for $250 to run for mayor, and nobody opposed

[2:31:17] the mayor, so I'm on the ballot.

[2:31:19] I'm highly qualified, I'm a transportation expert, safety first in respect.

[2:31:24] That sums up the constitution.

[2:31:28] Thank you.

[2:31:30] No off, Marjon.

[2:31:35] It's Mr. Moore-Miss.

[2:31:36] The polling station is too hot.

[2:31:38] We need polling station.

[2:31:39] That's going to help the loss.

[2:31:42] It's affected by, and everybody is breathing it out.

[2:31:45] It's Mr. Marjon here.

[2:31:46] Okay. Whitney Perdee.

[2:31:50] There's line-up.

[2:31:52] This is where the data center should have never been.

[2:31:54] I'll just spell it.

[2:31:55] All right.

[2:31:58] All right, TJ Land Sparey.

[2:32:01] It's TJ here.

[2:32:04] Okay.

[2:32:27] Good afternoon, Mayor and members of City Council.

[2:32:31] You may want to move the mic, Cleop, thank you.

[2:32:34] I'm asking you to deny zoning KC 4325 and Litchford Forest.

[2:32:38] We're at a minimum to delay it until our infrastructure can safely support additional development.

[2:32:44] I support responsible growth, but growth needs to be matched by infrastructure, safety,

[2:32:50] and consideration for the existing neighborhood.

[2:32:52] This area already experiences significant traffic

[2:32:55] and pedestrian challenges, particularly

[2:32:58] with Millbrook High School so nearby.

[2:33:01] Litchford 315 and the Abington Square Apartments

[2:33:03] have also added substantial demand

[2:33:05] to an already challenged road network.

[2:33:08] There are important transportation improvements

[2:33:10] being considered and prioritized in this area.

[2:33:13] I believe we should allow those efforts to move forward

[2:33:17] and determine what additional capacity and safety

[2:33:19] the improvements are needed before adding another high density development.

[2:33:23] Please don't put additional growth ahead of infrastructure and safety.

[2:33:27] I respectfully ask you to.

[2:33:30] Thank you.

[2:33:32] Alex Prasette.

[2:33:40] I know we all know this, but we cannot increase density without also improving infrastructure to match the increase in population where I live on Brookside Drive.

[2:33:53] We have a front row seat to where this is going well and not going well.

[2:33:58] We've added bike lanes on Brookside Drive, which is excellent for improving traffic.

[2:34:03] Although we need to have the ballards installed that we were promised that we've been waiting a year for that.

[2:34:08] That's going well, but at the same time, we've seen it not going well.

[2:34:13] Trees are being cut down, thanks to a loophole.

[2:34:15] Trees are infrastructure.

[2:34:18] The development against the creek is having an adverse impact on the creek.

[2:34:24] We need to hold developers to a much higher standard that takes care of our infrastructure especially using the Creek Streets concept to raise those standards where we have development next to Creek's.

[2:34:40] Thank you.

[2:34:41] Thank you.

[2:34:43] Mr. McEy here.

[2:34:49] Athena Wallen.

[2:35:06] Hello everybody.

[2:35:07] My name is Athena Wallen.

[2:35:09] You should probably be familiar with me because I keep saying land around waterways change.

[2:35:15] It's really hard to anticipate development around land that is always changing.

[2:35:21] So I continue to implore the City of Raleigh to reassess how we develop along creeks.

[2:35:25] That land has more responsibility, more demand to manage the dynamics of weather-related

[2:35:31] events.

[2:35:32] Creek's absorb excess and the land around it does, too.

[2:35:35] If we introduce impervious surfaces in that encroaching space, then we have a reduced

[2:35:40] margin of error.

[2:35:42] We need development guardrails to offer more for our struggling stormwater creeks, which

[2:35:46] are our essential infrastructure.

[2:35:49] We must evolve our perspective of prioritizing impervious surface over absorbent land adjacent

[2:35:54] to our creeks because they are connected stormwater utility systems. Our 1,000 miles of stormwater

[2:36:02] creek need help. So let's help it please. Thank you.

[2:36:09] Tomorrow, or Tamara, Jones,

[2:36:12] Ms. Jones here. Okay.

[2:36:17] Thea Cox here. And I know there's some people in overflow. Am I missing anyone

[2:36:25] because of that issue or no? Okay, Kimberly McTarian.

[2:36:56] Good afternoon, Council. Dr. Kimberly McTarian, I'm here to say, first of all, thank you,

[2:37:02] Ms. Megan Patton, for saying that if they had enough money to go to a Cain's event, they

[2:37:08] could stay out of trouble, but let me say this. It is the Hurricanes that we must talk about

[2:37:14] because they are living on the land, a Lincolnville,

[2:37:18] no matter what it's Lincolnville.

[2:37:19] Lincolnville is one of the 13 Freakman's villages

[2:37:23] that was stolen by the state of North Carolina

[2:37:26] to build your North Carolina State University

[2:37:29] Carter Family Stadium, indoor complex, and the Nova Center.

[2:37:34] So we can afford it, you just gotta stop gentrifying.

[2:37:37] And you have to go back and find out the rule calls

[2:37:40] it's like Miss Harrison said,

[2:37:41] And so while you can't stop still in killing and destroying, why?

[2:37:45] Because your state sponsor health, state sponsors theft creates state sponsors death.

[2:37:55] And it also sponsors mental health.

[2:38:02] Thank you.

[2:38:07] Andrea Hook.

[2:38:10] Ms. Hook here.

[2:38:12] Okay.

[2:38:13] Jorge Ramos.

[2:38:19] Hello.

[2:38:20] My name is Jorge Ramos.

[2:38:21] I've lived in the city for 23 years.

[2:38:23] and I've seen all sorts of things over the years, crazy things, but I've never seen young

[2:38:26] people being the perpetrators of violence or chaos.

[2:38:28] It's typically the adults that are doing that.

[2:38:30] So I find it baffling that when this congregation of 3,000, 5,000, 8,000, as you all claim, the

[2:38:35] number keeps shifting.

[2:38:36] The folks were gathered in Breyer Creek, England, Wood, South, on the Fourth of July, that

[2:38:39] child would automatically deduce that they were all young people, participating in a teen

[2:38:43] table, gover, as you all are calling it, or yell out there with clickers, counting, verifying

[2:38:47] IDs.

[2:38:47] How do you all magically know they were all teens?

[2:38:49] Also, have you ever been out on a night in England wood?

[2:38:51] I can assure you there's plenty of chaos taking place on a weekly basis no takeovers needed instead of trying to punish all of our

[2:38:57] Cities teams with over policing and surveillance. You could actually try to address the real issue at hand. Is this really about gun violence? Let's talk about gun

[2:39:04] restrictions, not curfews. Don't scapegoat teenagers. It's weird and tired. Also have you ever stopped to think that teens have jobs? Not everyone is privileged enough to be a full-time student.

[2:39:13] Young people play active roles in their families and they need the autonomy to be able to move freely.

[2:39:19] This proposed curfew is just another opportunity.

[2:39:34] Through Washington.

[2:39:41] Hello, everyone.

[2:39:42] My name is Drew Washington and I proudly serve as a youth organizer for education justice alliance.

[2:39:46] And today I'm here to speak on the proposed team curfew.

[2:39:49] As someone who works directly with youth, I have an understanding of how important it is to help them foster their own creativity, imagination, and sense of self.

[2:39:56] Creating restrictions by instilling a curfew only to manage these attributes and lessen

[2:40:00] the trust and support within our community.

[2:40:03] Not to mention more restrictions on youth only lead them to be further criminalized, especially in our black and brown communities.

[2:40:09] So instead of further isolating young people with more restrictions, we now have the opportunity to collectively provide for their needs.

[2:40:15] Spending more time on cultivating meaningful community partnerships and access to youth programming serves as a catalyst to move our city in the right direction,

[2:40:21] While restrictions such as a curfew will only keep our city city stagnant as a community

[2:40:27] We are better together, and that means that we must be intentional in providing it for the needs of young people and not adding to the list of commands that they must follow

[2:40:34] Thank you

[2:40:39] Ted Briggs

[2:40:42] Hi, everyone. Thank you

[2:40:44] I'm here to talk about ALPRs in the flock surveillance system a support or police, but there's a problem here

[2:40:50] Believing that technology should play a role in solving crime should not mean blindly accepting the terms of that bargain.

[2:40:57] Is it too much to ask that our law enforcement officers follow the law?

[2:41:02] As someone who works in tech, I find the public records casually shocking.

[2:41:06] The ALPR audit state that proper reason codes are necessary to ensure compliance with North Carolina State Statue.

[2:41:12] But between October 2024 and January 2026, 4,609 searches did not have a proper reason code listed.

[2:41:21] That's account, that's 20% of all the searches in the LPR system did not have a proper reason code

[2:41:27] and did not comply with North Carolina State statute.

[2:41:30] That is crazy.

[2:41:31] The audits recommended corrective action years ago.

[2:41:35] The audits recommended accepting less restrictive information to satisfy the law.

[2:41:39] And they still didn't do that.

[2:41:40] But the audits show that former employees have access to the system.

[2:41:45] Thank you.

[2:41:49] Mike Figueras.

[2:41:58] Hello.

[2:41:59] My name is Mike Figueras, and I'm one of the parent organizers for education justice

[2:42:03] alliance.

[2:42:04] A nonprofit in Raleigh who works to dismantle the school to prison, school to deportation

[2:42:09] pipeline, and eliminate the criminalization of black, brown, LGBTQ plus students.

[2:42:14] students with disabilities and to secure educational equity for all students in the public school

[2:42:20] systems. Thank you for letting me speak today. We work directly with parents and young people

[2:42:25] in the community. And I'm here to talk to you about the curfew proposal. Firstly, curfews

[2:42:30] are a violation of young people's rights, and they're often applied in other discrimination

[2:42:34] in the discriminatory fashion according to the National Young Rights Association. Secondly,

[2:42:40] Curfews give police automatic reasonable suspicion to stop anyone who looks under 18, creating

[2:42:47] more illegal stops and occasions for incidents to occur and according to the catalysts legal

[2:42:51] studies, curfews often lead to over-policing of marginalized communities worsening racial disparities

[2:42:57] and juvenile justice, even more.

[2:43:00] Thank you.

[2:43:04] Nick Kwe Williams.

[2:43:36] Good afternoon, y'all.

[2:43:37] I'm Nikoi Williams representing Education Justice Alliance alongside two of our many

[2:43:43] leaders here today, and we are here to say no to citywide curfews.

[2:43:47] Youth curfews do not prevent violence, reduce crime, or protect communities.

[2:43:52] Instead, that gives a research to demonstrate that youth curfews criminalize our youth

[2:43:56] without improving public safety.

[2:43:58] If curfews don't make us safer, then why would you give police another reason to stop

[2:44:03] question or detain our youth?

[2:44:07] Rather than responding to youth, our young people with fear, we should listen to them and work alongside them to create solutions that actually make our community safer.

[2:44:18] At the July 7th meeting, you talked about working with youth parents, creating a task force and addressing root causes.

[2:44:25] That needs to start now.

[2:44:27] Our young people are not a problem to be controlled. They are the people that we need to listen to.

[2:44:31] Do not give Raleigh PD another tool to harm and target our teens, reject curfews.

[2:44:47] The group effort on that one.

[2:45:04] It's another amazing day and period, I shall. Thank you so much for this opportunity. I want to thank specifically Jane, Jonathan, Megan, and Stormy for trueling hearing me and wisdom. And I want to thank Megan, Stormy, Madam City Attorney and the City Manager's Office for meeting with us during your break. I'll be sending a follow-up email now that you're back in session now about the potential curfew. I'm disappointed because we are reactive versus proactive as a city.

[2:45:33] Two years ago when the city did its sociability study and paid to have a sociable city assessment

[2:45:39] created, there was no mention of children, youth and families.

[2:45:43] I know this because I attended the meeting at Dick's Chapel to find out more.

[2:45:47] When I asked why they weren't included, I was told they weren't the focus.

[2:45:52] The events of July 4 tell us two things.

[2:45:55] You should now take the complaints of the long-time residents of Ducland with south-seriously

[2:45:59] and two, if you had partnered with the youth organizations and the youth they served

[2:46:04] to revitalize Fayetteville Street, we wouldn't be having.

[2:46:08] Thank you.

[2:46:13] Lorraine Snyder.

[2:46:16] Snyder here?

[2:46:17] Do you have a last week or a husband?

[2:46:19] Okay.

[2:46:19] Do you hear the thing we filled it out together?

[2:46:21] Okay.

[2:46:23] Speaking to the 4325, I asked that you deny this rezoning and it's the reasons why safety.

[2:46:32] It's public safety.

[2:46:33] I applaud getting affordable housing, that's important.

[2:46:37] I've lived there for 14 years to watch the growth in the area.

[2:46:40] I'm happy to have new neighbors, but if you're in that area, it is challenging.

[2:46:44] The kids come out at school, there are 30 to 50 cars, new drivers, have you ever had,

[2:46:49] driven with a new driver, they get panicked.

[2:46:52] I'm an experienced driver, I look out there, they're coming hot, 50 miles an hour over there,

[2:46:57] and you think you have the space you don't.

[2:46:59] So already with the existing apartments, there's without adding anything, there's already safety

[2:47:05] risk. It's 17,000 cars a day. It broke and handled 20,000. Let's hold off on this. There are

[2:47:12] many more areas that make more sense. Thank you for Atlantic Avenue. It's a success.

[2:47:17] Synchronize lights, all the way down to Raleigh. It's why we moved here. We love the city.

[2:47:22] Thank you. Thank you.

[2:47:25] Shonee screen.

[2:47:37] Hello thank you to everyone in this whole room I'm a stage for

[2:47:41] cancer patient they told me I had 18 to 21 months to live they said that I was

[2:47:46] going to leave by February 28th of 2026 but I want to commend this group of

[2:47:51] people right here okay I want to commend you because you have a lot that you

[2:47:56] have to do and as a citizen I do a lot even in my condition so I've decided to

[2:48:02] open my home as America's home room to talk about cancer and invite everybody

[2:48:06] because I was on Oprah in 1987 I've waited 40 years to talk about it because I

[2:48:12] want to see what could I accomplish and what did I get out of it I became a

[2:48:16] banker and what we're missing with bringing people together is audience

[2:48:20] development and nobody knows how to build a book of business better than me

[2:48:24] because I go to the meetings I go to the churches and I love living in

[2:48:30] So for four and a half years, I'm going to dedicate my home intentionally for y'all to come over and play.

[2:48:35] It's a little mini-management in Southeast Raleigh with 3,000 square feet.

[2:48:39] All right, thank you.

[2:48:41] All

[2:48:43] right, Mary Black.

[2:48:45] Everyone,

[2:48:59] former council member Mary Black here.

[2:49:02] In the rise of a white ring at extremism, fascism and the rollback of civil rights and the proliferation of racist white supremacist ideologies,

[2:49:09] trust, transparency, accountability, and deeper community participation in

[2:49:13] co-governance become so much more important. Over the weekend, the people of our

[2:49:17] community shut down a proposed data center annexation, and the very next day

[2:49:21] the same community was shaken by the news that a black man was found hanging in

[2:49:24] downtown Raleigh. The outcry from our community to note the larger issue, a lack of

[2:49:29] collective leadership that actually engages the people. Why do we know what's

[2:49:33] happening in our communities? Why do our solutions feel so much more punitive than

[2:49:37] and participatory.

[2:49:39] And where is the deep community engagement?

[2:49:42] Deeper than public comment, deeper than district meetings,

[2:49:44] deeper than committees and surveys.

[2:49:47] This is a really a call in to my council colleagues

[2:49:49] to go beyond the base expectation

[2:49:51] and create more space for the people in this community

[2:49:53] to actually govern alongside you.

[2:49:56] And it's a call out to the people.

[2:49:58] Our power is staying engaged.

[2:50:03] Thank you.

[2:50:09] All right, that concludes our public comment.

[2:50:13] All

[2:50:17] right, next we have the report and recommendation of the Planning Commission.

[2:50:24] Yeah.

[2:51:06] All right.

[2:51:07] Matthew Clem.

[2:51:08] Yes, ma'am.

[2:51:09] Good afternoon, Mayor and Council.

[2:51:11] Matthew Clem, Planning and Development.

[2:51:13] Here with Dwight Ottwell, Chair of the Rally Planning Commission.

[2:51:17] We have one item to report out of the Planning Commission for you today.

[2:51:21] Here is a look at upcoming holidays in August and September.

[2:51:25] This is a list of currently scheduled public hearings.

[2:51:28] So, there are two currently scheduled on September 1st.

[2:51:33] On your consent agenda today, you added two to that list, the Home Investment Partnerships

[2:51:41] and Historic Landmarks for the Lustron House.

[2:51:43] So, at the moment, four scheduled on the 1st of September, on your consent agenda, you scheduled

[2:51:50] three annexations for the 15th.

[2:51:52] So, keep a running tab.

[2:51:54] You'll have more decisions in the special items agenda section, so we can talk about scheduling there.

[2:52:00] We are recommending September 15th public hearing for Z17-16 Hillsboro and Western Boulevard.

[2:52:07] This is a rezoning request for three and a half acres.

[2:52:11] This is a city initiated rezoning request to develop affordable multi-family housing in Proximate to Western BRT.

[2:52:20] It is consistent with the 2030 Comprehensive Plan, the future land use map and the urban

[2:52:24] forum map, your planning commission recommends approval 7-0.

[2:52:28] I have it answered any questions, Chair Altwell is here as well.

[2:52:31] Yep.

[2:52:32] Thanks.

[2:52:34] I'm glad you said city and engineering reason because I couldn't remember after reading all

[2:52:38] the cases.

[2:52:39] Have we already like done an RFP, do we have a partner on this site for this project?

[2:52:44] Let me ask from our housing and community development partners on that.

[2:52:49] I know they're currently working on it.

[2:52:51] I'm not sure if they've made a selection at this point.

[2:52:53] Okay,

[2:52:57] you can also report back if someone needs to dig something out.

[2:53:01] I have no problem with the hearing date, so I haven't made a motion at the appropriate time.

[2:53:06] Okay, do we want to, I'm sorry, we're just holding this, or is there somebody?

[2:53:11] The question is, do we have a partner to deliver the housing yet?

[2:53:14] I'm unsure, I was waiting for how the community development, they're on the way up now, I think they were looking at that.

[2:53:19] I got it.

[2:53:26] Good afternoon, Jess Brandis, with housing and community development.

[2:53:29] We do not have an identified partner yet, that RFP responses were due last week.

[2:53:34] And staff is reviewing them.

[2:53:36] I don't off the top of my head know exactly when we will be making a decision, but we're actively determining the results of that RFP.

[2:53:44] Okay, thank you.

[2:53:45] Okay.

[2:53:46] Motion to set the hearing for September 15th.

[2:53:51] All in favor of the motion aye.

[2:53:53] All opposed nay.

[2:53:54] All right.

[2:53:55] Thank you.

[2:53:56] Thank you.

[2:53:56] Next we have special items.

[2:53:58] Again, Matthew Klim rezoning Z1226 rot quarry road.

[2:54:14] Yeah, thank you.

[2:54:15] You held this item at your last meeting on July 7th

[2:54:18] to allow for the applicant to revise zoning conditions.

[2:54:22] That has occurred.

[2:54:24] Revise zoning conditions include a prohibition

[2:54:26] and definitions of vaping tobacco shop.

[2:54:27] and also prohibition of sweepstakes parlors.

[2:54:33] So we have those new conditions.

[2:54:35] We suggest a public hearing date of September 15th.

[2:54:40] Questions.

[2:54:42] Sorry, I'm sorry, you all.

[2:54:44] I was noticing on this case,

[2:54:47] there's no definition in the UDO for either of those things,

[2:54:50] vape shops and then also gambling uses.

[2:54:55] And so they had to be like invented

[2:54:56] and will be unique to this case.

[2:54:58] And there's another case that also has vape shop conditions and so it seems like this is a topic of community interest and so I wonder if it would be prudent for us to make our own definitions so that each condition, we don't need to have all these one off conditions that are creating their own definition, so I would just offer that as feedback and maybe staff can follow up with a response and managers update about whether it would be appropriate to develop those definitions for future.

[2:55:26] Again, also no problem with this hearing date.

[2:55:30] Move the city public hearing for sale term of 15th.

[2:55:33] Second.

[2:55:35] All in favor of the motion aye.

[2:55:36] Aye.

[2:55:37] All opposed nay.

[2:55:38] That is unanimous.

[2:55:40] Next, we have rezoning Z1426 Gorman Street assemblage.

[2:55:54] Thank you.

[2:55:55] Also held at your last reading in July, updates to the case include conditions specifying

[2:56:04] contributions to the affordable housing fund and also specifications for street crossing

[2:56:10] on Gorman Street. So those are the updates since the last time we recommend suggested

[2:56:15] public hearing date of the evening of September 1st.

[2:56:19] Yeah, I'm just go ahead with the motion to set this hearing for September 1st.

[2:56:23] Second.

[2:56:24] All in favor of the motion aye.

[2:56:25] Aye.

[2:56:26] All opposed nay.

[2:56:27] All right.

[2:56:28] Next, we have rezoning Z1925, which is 405 and 416 Dorotheus Drive.

[2:56:35] And just checking, did we need to set the time for September 1st evening?

[2:56:40] Okay, evening time, yeah, yeah.

[2:56:47] Good afternoon, Mayor Cal, members of the City Council, Matthew Burns with Planning and Development.

[2:56:51] All this loads, I'll tell you that this is a request by the Rally Housing Authority to rezoning Heritage Park in downtown.

[2:56:58] And this item last appeared on July 7th on report of planning commission where council deferred setting public hearing date to a lot of time for changes.

[2:57:06] And those changes are similar to the Gorman street rezoning that you just discussed where they were prepared at payday lending, vaping tobacco shops, and sweepstakes, parlors, and or internet cafes.

[2:57:17] And staff is suggesting a public hearing date of September 1 also in the evening.

[2:57:21] Okay.

[2:57:23] Questions from Mr. Burns.

[2:57:25] Any motion?

[2:57:26] Yeah, just motion again to set the public hearing for September 1st.

[2:57:29] Second.

[2:57:30] All in favor of that motion, aye.

[2:57:32] Aye.

[2:57:32] All opposed, nay.

[2:57:33] That is unanimous.

[2:57:35] Thank you.

[2:57:36] Next, we have a text change authorization request for daycare amendments, just in remettia.

[2:57:49] Afternoon, Mayor and council, just in remettia with planning and development.

[2:59:11] Do you want to, can you go ahead without the visual or?

[2:59:14] Sure.

[2:59:15] Sure.

[2:59:18] There we go.

[2:59:20] Great.

[2:59:21] Thank you.

[2:59:22] So, this is a item is brought back to you at your request.

[2:59:27] It's a follow-up item from back in May for a request to bring back some information on

[2:59:35] some potential text changes that might help facilitate additional daycare facilities in the city.

[2:59:41] I'll just give you a brief regulatory overview and then provide some potential options for

[2:59:46] you all to consider.

[2:59:46] So,

[2:59:51] the daycare facilities regulatory framework is a multi-layered one.

[3:00:00] The general statutes establishing the legal framework, the administrative code establishing the DHHS rules, explaining how the statutes are implemented, as well as the building code, which establishes fire safety, life safety requirements. And then finally, at the local level, we have our zoning ordinance, the UDO, which lays out what uses can go where and under what circumstances.

[3:00:30] So starting with the UDO.

[3:00:31] So all daycare facilities are categorized in kind of two buckets.

[3:00:35] The first is a home daycare that allows for the care of up to eight children in the residents of a provider.

[3:00:42] Anything over eight children gets put into a separate category called a daycare center.

[3:00:48] So eight up to infinity, right, is a commercial daycare center.

[3:00:57] Each of those two categories come with their own set of use standards.

[3:01:00] Home Day Cares must be operated by a resident in the home.

[3:01:06] They cannot be operated out of an accessory building like a detached garage or an ADU.

[3:01:11] Their limitations on where outdoor play equipment can be placed.

[3:01:16] And there is an addition to the owner operator requirement, there's also a requirement that

[3:01:22] other employees also be family members of the operator and also live in the home.

[3:01:29] On the commercial daycare center side, there are minimum lot size requirements that apply in residential districts.

[3:01:36] They're signing limitations.

[3:01:38] In mixed-use districts, you would have just general zoning standards that would apply buffers and transitional protective yards.

[3:01:46] When you are adjacent to residential districts, and then if the facilities in a mixed-use district, you would have the general neighborhood transitions that would apply adjacent to residential districts as well.

[3:01:55] So,

[3:01:59] daycare homes are limited uses in all of nearly every zoning district, meaning they are permitted by right.

[3:02:09] They are approved administratively by staff, so long as they meet those use standards that we just saw in the previous slide.

[3:02:15] Daycare centers, on the other hand, are special uses in residential districts and in our X and MH, which is mobile home.

[3:02:23] So, that means they need to be approved at a quasi-judicial hearing about the Board of Adjustments.

[3:02:31] That process can take several months.

[3:02:34] It may require representation by an attorney, the hiring of expert witnesses to put on factual evidence.

[3:02:40] So, it can be a significant time and financial investment for an operator to invest in this process.

[3:02:47] On

[3:02:52] the state side, starting with the building code, most child care homes typically qualifies

[3:02:59] what's called an R3 occupancy, meaning child care home is treated essentially like any

[3:03:06] other single family home would be treated by the building code.

[3:03:11] However, once you start getting into that 910 or more children category, that may transition

[3:03:19] was called an R4 occupancy, and that may trigger additional building fire safety requirements.

[3:03:25] Those are things like a manual fire alarm system, additional means of egress, additional

[3:03:30] fire extinguishers, and enhanced ventilation requirements.

[3:03:34] These things can obviously introduce additional costs for an operator, but they are more modest

[3:03:42] than what will be required for a full commercial take care center.

[3:03:45] It's

[3:03:49] from a state licensing perspective.

[3:03:52] There are three main categories, two of which can be operated in a home, both a family

[3:03:59] child care home and what's called a center located in a residence.

[3:04:04] As you move from left to right on the scale, from a family child care home to child care center,

[3:04:10] you get increasingly stringent regulations related to staffing ratios, enrollees, and then

[3:04:17] building code requirements.

[3:04:19] So again, key takeaway here is that there is potential to be a state license to have

[3:04:28] up to 15 children in a home.

[3:04:30] Again, provide all other requirements or met building code, fire code, staffing ratios,

[3:04:36] et cetera.

[3:04:41] Looking at what our peer jurisdictions do, most municipalities that you can see here, Greensboro,

[3:04:49] Charlotte, Durham and Winston do all allow in one form or another up to 15 children to be

[3:04:56] cared for in a home.

[3:04:57] The exception there is carry, they cap their small home day care at six, once you're

[3:05:03] over six they do require a special use permit.

[3:05:06] But all of our other peer jurisdictions do seem to allow up to 15 to be cared for in a home.

[3:05:13] So,

[3:05:17] given all that, got a few potential options for you to consider at your discretion.

[3:05:25] The first one would be to increase those enrollees from 8 to 15 for home daycare to match

[3:05:30] what the state could potentially allow, would seem to also be in line with other jurisdictions

[3:05:37] in the area.

[3:05:39] If you directed this option, you would probably also need to approve option two, which

[3:05:46] which is related to that resident and family employee requirement because as you increase

[3:05:52] those enrollment numbers from eight up towards 15 additional staffing is going to be required

[3:05:57] by the state.

[3:05:59] And so in order for that potential to be realized for a home daycare operator, it will be very

[3:06:04] difficult to meet that if only their family members who also live in the home could be the

[3:06:07] employees.

[3:06:12] And then the third option relates to the commercial daycare center.

[3:06:16] If you recall those in residential districts require a special use permit, you could also consider removing that special use permit requirement and making it a limited use, just like a home daycare or just like they are regulated in commercial districts, staff would draft probably objective use standards that would apply to those to kind of mimic the subjective findings that the Board of Adjustment makes.

[3:06:46] with regards to mitigating adverse impacts and compatibility with the Jason uses those sorts of things.

[3:06:54] We just have to develop objective use standards in place of those.

[3:06:59] Jason, you just said the board has to look at subjective standards or sub-objective.

[3:07:06] Subjective, the board of judgment is in general terms right having to find that a use is not,

[3:07:12] It is compatible with the adjacent uses, I didn't say how it's compatible, those sorts of things.

[3:07:17] That any negative impacts are being mitigated, so we could look to draft objective use standards that would achieve those outcomes.

[3:07:32] I think finally, when the text change was authorized, there were some questions about how many of these exist and where they are in the city.

[3:07:39] This map shows daycare centers that are about 167 licensed in the city.

[3:07:46] The majority of those are in R4 and R6 districts and the Office of McStee's district.

[3:07:52] And there are 57 licensed family child care homes.

[3:07:56] Those are also predominantly in R4 and R6 existing today.

[3:08:04] That concludes my presentation.

[3:08:06] Happy to answer any questions you have.

[3:08:09] Thank you.

[3:08:10] Questions?

[3:08:14] So if we were to make these changes, anyone that had a home daycare is still subject to regulations from the state as far as how they operate staffing and things of that nature, is that correct?

[3:08:29] That's correct, yeah, any changes you make to the UDIA, we can make changes at the local,

[3:08:35] that zoning, at the level, but state licensing, and I'll stay law would still continue to apply.

[3:08:44] Councillor Johnston.

[3:08:45] Thank you so much for this.

[3:08:47] I was wondering in the COVID-19 was limited to eight, and they had to have the family member as working in there.

[3:08:55] Can you help me understand why the why's behind that?

[3:08:58] In the when we first initiated is there reason that that's required currently?

[3:09:03] That requirement has been in the code for quite some time.

[3:09:07] I think the intent there is to as much as possible keep home daycare at a scale that is compatible with the residential neighborhood and make it as much as possible.

[3:09:22] will appear from the outside to be just like a single family home,

[3:09:27] limit, you know, potential additional cars or traffic from an employee that might come and go from the site every day, those sorts of things.

[3:09:34] Okay, thank you so much.

[3:09:36] Councillor Lembert, Melton.

[3:09:38] Yeah, I'll just say that I'm supportive of advancing these changes, all three options to go through the process.

[3:09:45] I did the Hunt State Policy Fellows Program a few years ago and

[3:09:50] access to early childhood education like daycare centers is critical for children to develop, and we're running out of space where we can put them in the city of Raleigh.

[3:10:00] And folks also need to be able to get to these early childhood education centers if they don't have a car or if they have limited mobility means in between jobs.

[3:10:09] And so allowing them to exist in more places, in places closer to where people already are that may need the service.

[3:10:15] I think is important for us, so I think some of these discussions about the impact of these changes could be had during the public process,

[3:10:22] but I'd like to advance all three of the way staff are giving us the options.

[3:10:28] Okay, Councilor Putten.

[3:10:30] Yeah, thanks. I'm so happy to see the CR out when I saw the Legion that was gleeful.

[3:10:35] By way of reference, you know, I think this council is steeped in what is considered housing cost burden.

[3:10:42] like what do we consider someone paying too much for their housing and for us that magic

[3:10:45] number is 30% the analog to that is that 7% of your income applied to child care is considered

[3:10:52] a child care cost burden. So if we look at like median income for like median income and

[3:10:58] royalize $85,000 that means about $5,800 a year in child care tuition and I don't think I know a

[3:11:05] single person who can get a kid through daycare for $5,800 a year, which just tells us that

[3:11:13] most of our residents who are using child care options are child care cost burden.

[3:11:17] And then to further add on to it this sort of vexing conundrum that child care workers are

[3:11:25] some of the lowest paid in our society. So how is that working out? And we are certainly not the

[3:11:31] arbiters of all the changes that would be needed to solve the problem, but I think we can nibble

[3:11:37] around the margins here. I've spent a lot of time engaging with providers since I asked for

[3:11:42] the text change to be considered. And some of the things that they mentioned as barriers are

[3:11:49] ones on which we cannot opine like the adding a sprinkler system to a home or wheelchair ramp to a

[3:11:55] home is costly and burdensome, but those are building and fire code things on which we do not have

[3:12:00] jurisdiction, but what I also heard from providers is things like they're very carefully monitoring

[3:12:07] their enrollment to have like full time enrollees, but they would love to have enough flexibility

[3:12:14] to allow a school aged kid to come in for the summer to the home where the younger child's

[3:12:19] already being cared for, and these providers don't have that level of flexibility because

[3:12:23] if they sacrificed even like one enrollee that would not be enough to kind of make their

[3:12:28] business make. And so I think this will add a level of flexibility that will serve our

[3:12:34] providers who are often just like one woman trying to operate this out of her home.

[3:12:40] And so they're small business owners. I think this will add a level of flexibility and

[3:12:44] hopefully allow providers to offer their rates more affordably for families or people who

[3:12:51] wish to start families. And I hope we can be like a first mover and some of our peers who

[3:12:58] are a little more restrictive can also take key and do some of this, which I think, you

[3:13:02] know, systemically will help us all. So after all that bladdering, I would like to motion

[3:13:08] to move forward all three recommendations as proposed by staff. Second.

[3:13:12] And I would just compliment. I think this is great that we're bringing this forward. And

[3:13:16] I appreciate all of y'all who may know Pat and Jonathan Lambert-Milton, all of you who've

[3:13:21] worked on this issue. This is, you know, obviously a key piece of affordability. So thank you.

[3:13:25] All in favor of the motion aye.

[3:13:27] All opposed nay and that is unanimous thank you.

[3:13:35] All right.

[3:13:36] What's next?

[3:13:38] The report and recommendation of the city manager.

[3:13:42] Welcome back mayor and council although most of you did not leave.

[3:13:46] And go anywhere but I hope you guys enjoyed your break,

[3:13:50] at least away from the formal meetings.

[3:13:52] I have two items in my report today.

[3:13:54] the first of which is just an update on our Meteor City Council retreat and

[3:13:58] we have Michelle Millett and the City Manager's office who to present this

[3:14:02] item. Good afternoon. The manager's already introduced myself so I'll just

[3:14:07] say good afternoon. I do want to apply the retreat if you all recall the mayor

[3:14:13] appointed council member Patton as well as council member Branch to join her on

[3:14:17] this journey and they did take a journey. They did a lot of good work. First thing

[3:14:22] they decided was where we will be in the time. So just as a reminder to the community,

[3:14:27] we will be at Lions Park Community Center Friday September 18th, 12 to 5, as well as Saturday

[3:14:33] September the 19th, 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. What are we going to talk about with this is where you all

[3:14:40] started that work. If you all recall, you all submitted a survey with lots of topics. And so the

[3:14:46] retreat committee helped narrow it down to about six meaty topics. And what are those? We're going

[3:14:51] We're going to talk about planning and land use.

[3:14:53] Under planning and land use, we're going to talk about growth, the status of our comp plan.

[3:15:00] Talk about urban design leadership, as well as some neighborhood retail policies. Could we talk about corridor hotspot improvements, as well as potentially a minimum life size policy? Under downtown, we're going to talk about public safety, of course, quality of life, focusing on more square, as well as Nash Square, Fayetteville Street options for furniture. We are going to talk about them, no more pictures. We're going to talk about what they are. We're also going to talk about our garages.

[3:15:28] is our infrastructure and particular pedestrian pieces,

[3:15:33] as well as our partnerships and how we activate downtown

[3:15:35] with festivals and different types of events.

[3:15:38] We're gonna talk about innovation and tech.

[3:15:40] If you all don't know, we have a digital twin.

[3:15:43] We're gonna talk a little bit about that.

[3:15:44] Our micro modeling that we do in order to try to help us

[3:15:47] reduce our environmental impact.

[3:15:49] We're gonna talk about some of our workforce automation,

[3:15:52] as well as how we use data and analytics

[3:15:54] to improve some of the things that our community experience,

[3:15:58] as well as a long-awaited communications website update

[3:16:02] Councilmember Branch.

[3:16:04] We're going to talk about our revenue outlook.

[3:16:06] We could not come before you all and have a retreat

[3:16:08] without talking about the dollars and cents.

[3:16:11] You did just pass a budget,

[3:16:12] so don't expect a huge budget update.

[3:16:14] However, we will talk about ourselves and tax update.

[3:16:19] If there's any update on the Blue Ridge Loophole,

[3:16:22] and if not, obviously we need to discuss what that will look

[3:16:24] like for a budget constraint.

[3:16:26] For next year, we are going to talk about audit controls if you all recall that was a specific request from you as well as the community.

[3:16:33] So, we will talk about what that looks like as well as the mayor's request to talk about some of the third party studies that we have when we use consultants and different types of benchmarking reports that help make sure we are doing good work as well as learning from other cities in different communities around the country.

[3:16:50] We are going to talk about housing.

[3:16:52] I want to say this again.

[3:16:53] We are going to talk about housing.

[3:16:55] I know people don't think you all talk about housing enough,

[3:16:57] but can you ever talk enough about housing?

[3:16:59] No.

[3:17:00] So we're going to talk about housing.

[3:17:01] We're going to give you all an update.

[3:17:03] Talk about our production numbers,

[3:17:05] our continued partnerships,

[3:17:07] any state budget impacts,

[3:17:08] as well as Councilmember Silver displacement,

[3:17:11] which we do have a website that is live today

[3:17:14] and we'll make sure we have lots of updates around that as well.

[3:17:17] and we're also going to talk about Yigbi, yes and guys back yard. And then

[3:17:21] finally we're going to end on grant management, a specific topic around how we

[3:17:26] handle our grants, are there any different ways for improvement, our legacy

[3:17:31] grant conversation will continue as well as our human services grants, and we are

[3:17:35] going to talk about a grant that you all administer, which is your council

[3:17:38] contingency. So those are the topics I will leave now for any questions that you

[3:17:44] who all have for me or your colleagues who help put together this wonderful agenda.

[3:17:49] Questions for Miss Millett?

[3:17:52] Okay, thank you for all these support and assistance.

[3:17:56] Awesome.

[3:17:57] I don't know how we're going to do that in a day and a half, but we're going to try our

[3:18:00] very best to get it all done.

[3:18:03] And next, in light of a lot of the national conversation and even state and local conversations

[3:18:08] around flock cameras and just the transparency or the lack thereof in using that tool.

[3:18:14] as a force multiplier and law enforcement.

[3:18:17] The mayor, the police chief,

[3:18:18] and I had an opportunity to meet with some of the

[3:18:21] representatives from the flock team last week

[3:18:23] and it was an enlightening experience

[3:18:25] and we wanted to share that information

[3:18:28] with not only the rest of council

[3:18:30] but all of the public as well.

[3:18:32] So we have chief Rico boys here from the Raleigh Police Department

[3:18:35] to kind of talk to you about overall what flock does,

[3:18:38] what it doesn't.

[3:18:39] Also talk about how the program works here in Raleigh

[3:18:42] and what information and data that we use,

[3:18:44] and how we govern that tool as a force multiplier for our PD.

[3:18:50] So with that, I'll turn it over to Chief Bois.

[3:18:52] Good afternoon, again, Madam Mayor and Council,

[3:18:54] Rico Bois Chief of Police.

[3:18:56] Yeah, we had a meeting last week with Flock,

[3:18:58] representative came up from headquarters of Atlanta

[3:19:01] and spent some time with us.

[3:19:03] Obviously, we had a lot of questions

[3:19:05] about what we're seeing throughout this country.

[3:19:08] So it was important that we had that dialogue between us.

[3:19:10] very productive, they answered a lot of questions that we had, and it was a great engagement.

[3:19:17] What I want to do today is just given an overview of what we have here in Raleigh talk through

[3:19:22] about eight different touch points, and then I answer any questions.

[3:19:27] I don't have a slides, so I'm going to be talking and just sharing this information with you.

[3:19:31] I believe Chief of Staff is handing out some FAQs that I'll be pretty much referencing

[3:19:37] throughout my presentation.

[3:19:38] First of all, what is flock and what is currently going on?

[3:19:43] I will say I'm encouraged from what the CEO to founder of flock shared last week about

[3:19:51] some of the upgrades that they are making.

[3:19:53] A lot of those upgrades came from feedback from not only police departments, but for communities

[3:19:58] throughout this country.

[3:20:00] So here in Raleigh, what the scope of flock and what it looks like is since March of 2022,

[3:20:07] We've had a flop platform or technology here in the Raleigh Police Department.

[3:20:12] We currently have 29 cameras that we deployed throughout the city of Raleigh.

[3:20:18] We have an annual contract or a cost of about 75,000 is what we spend.

[3:20:24] And we have a current day of 414 authorized users of that program.

[3:20:31] The data collected and not collected.

[3:20:33] So what does flop collect?

[3:20:34] that it collects two things for us here in Raleigh.

[3:20:37] Vehicle description and a vehicle tag, that's it.

[3:20:41] No other pictures just size to vehicle

[3:20:43] and the back of the vehicle where the license plate

[3:20:46] is located.

[3:20:47] It does not collect driver identity, personal identifiers,

[3:20:51] any confidential personal information

[3:20:53] for as address as a phone numbers.

[3:20:56] This actually captures less data

[3:20:58] than your typical tow camera that's out on an interstate

[3:21:01] that captures the vehicle, the tag, as well as a picture of the occupants.

[3:21:06] Flot does not capture a picture of the occupants.

[3:21:09] When it comes to data storage and retention and sharing,

[3:21:13] state law requires that you cannot store this data no longer than 90 days.

[3:21:19] We're here in the city of Raleigh and Raleigh Police Department.

[3:21:21] We're a little bit more restrictive.

[3:21:23] We only store the data for 30 days.

[3:21:25] After 30 days, it is completely wiped out from the cloud.

[3:21:29] So we are like say less restrictive than what state law allows us to do.

[3:21:36] The data sharing is between the joining states.

[3:21:40] That is Virginia, Tennessee, Georgia, as well as South Carolina.

[3:21:44] You think about it if we're collecting data on a vehicle.

[3:21:48] Those are the states that you go into hit or coming contact with when you leave the state of North Carolina.

[3:21:55] We do not share information with ICE.

[3:21:56] Let me be very clear. We do not share any data information with ICE. The data that is

[3:22:04] collected as of now we have not had any breaches of our security or our database when it comes

[3:22:11] to flat cameras here in the city of Raleigh. So some of the safeguards that we put in place

[3:22:18] Prior to me becoming chief, we were doing quarterly audits.

[3:22:23] We have improved that to occur every month.

[3:22:28] We want to be able to pretty much police ourselves more frequently than just what we were currently doing.

[3:22:34] So now we do monthly audits on our data.

[3:22:37] You know every search that we perform in the flock system must have a law enforcement purpose.

[3:22:48] Here the way we do that here is to make sure it has a case number that's assigned to that search.

[3:22:54] If there's no case number, farce rolly police case number, we use what we call a CR number in court on a file.

[3:23:02] We'll put that file number in that system to be able to run that query if there's no rally police case number

[3:23:10] Also, this is a single source login. I heard a gentleman earlier talking about

[3:23:15] former employees are able to access this information

[3:23:19] That is not true

[3:23:21] Once you are no longer part of the city of rally as an employee you have no access to your email address

[3:23:28] The email address is the only way that you can log in to flock.

[3:23:32] It's a single source log in.

[3:23:35] You got to use your city of Raleigh email address.

[3:23:38] So once you are no longer here, you have no access to your email.

[3:23:42] You have no access to the flock system at all.

[3:23:47] So how does it work?

[3:23:48] I give you an example.

[3:23:49] You have a robbery somewhere.

[3:23:52] Let's just use capital boulevard.

[3:23:54] A witness gives us a description of what a vehicle has involved.

[3:24:00] The officer or the detective would go in and put the case number relevant to the robbery as a

[3:24:07] reason why they're making a entry. Then if the description of the car was say a blue Honda

[3:24:12] cord, you put in blue Honda cord, you put in capital boulevard and you see what search, what results

[3:24:19] you get back from a blue Honda cord in the capital boulevard area at the time of that robbery.

[3:24:25] understand that we do not capture a flood does not capture live video this is

[3:24:31] not like we are looking at the cameras live this is only after something has

[3:24:36] occurred and we only have a very short window of 30 days of data to search that

[3:24:41] vehicle that I just referred to in the case of a of a robbery once we get a hit

[3:24:46] back that is a lead for that detective to follow up on it does not automatically

[3:24:53] allows an officer or detective to go get a warrant just because they got a hit within a flock database.

[3:25:01] It's just a tool that they use in their investigation.

[3:25:06] Once they get that result, they will then put in the gentleman also talk about a reason code,

[3:25:13] reason code or closing that case out.

[3:25:16] They will say we got a hit of a tag and they will indicate that.

[3:25:20] But that is also required.

[3:25:23] Did we see that happen where the officer did not put a reason code in?

[3:25:28] Yes, but the actual entry itself was a legitimate lawful reason to run that tag.

[3:25:34] So some of the outcomes and the return on our investment.

[3:25:39] So since January 1, 2025 to July 15, the 2026, this system has helped us recover 154 stolen vehicles,

[3:25:48] 244 criminal cases cleared and about $1.8 million in recovered stolen property as well as six

[3:25:57] missing adults were located and it generated 306 case leads from using this platform.

[3:26:05] So I'm going to key takeaways for the community here is that you know it's a strong public safety

[3:26:11] outcomes by protecting privacy.

[3:26:13] He even heard it from the CEO himself talking about how flock is going to improve their safety.

[3:26:19] Here at RPD, we do the quarterly audit.

[3:26:22] Audits, I have my lieutenant here from the real-time crime center, as well as our office of professional standards that conduct those audits here, monthly.

[3:26:32] We are using this as a force multiplier to keep this city safe, but we also understand that this community is concerned about what they have seen in other jurisdictions.

[3:26:42] I'm very proud of what we do here, Raleigh and the City of Raleigh, by working together

[3:26:46] with City I.T. to make sure that not only to Raleigh Police Form, but to entire City network

[3:26:51] is safe and secure from any data breaches.

[3:26:54] And that's what I have at this time, I'll take any questions.

[3:26:58] Thank you, Chief.

[3:26:59] Questions?

[3:27:04] Hi, Chief.

[3:27:05] Good to see you again.

[3:27:06] Yes.

[3:27:06] A couple of questions on the, you know, by state law, you could keep the data for 90 days,

[3:27:13] but by our internal policies, you can keep the data for 30 days.

[3:27:17] What, who, who is deleting the data and who is making sure the data is sufficiently deleted?

[3:27:24] That is automatically in the system.

[3:27:26] This, the data goes to the government cloud.

[3:27:29] Every 30 days, that data is just wiped out.

[3:27:31] It's not a manual procedure.

[3:27:33] It's just automatically built into the flock system.

[3:27:37] So it's in flock, like flock is the owner of the database.

[3:27:40] And so the, the cloud?

[3:27:42] Yes. Okay. Do we do any sort of oversight of them to make sure that they did?

[3:27:49] Well, that's part of our audit as well to make sure the information is gone.

[3:27:52] But we don't physically like hit a button. It is automatically done.

[3:27:55] Okay. But someone from our team is making sure the data is actually gone.

[3:28:00] That is correct. Okay. And then I see you mentioned here about public record.

[3:28:05] And so the data captured is confidential.

[3:28:10] So the state law, yes ma'am.

[3:28:12] The flock, like logins, like access to the cameras is the log of the activity.

[3:28:20] Is that a matter of public record?

[3:28:21] Well, as you see that on a public portal that flock has for community members to look

[3:28:26] at how many times it's been logged in and who has logged in.

[3:28:37] Councillor Jones.

[3:28:39] Okay.

[3:28:40] For the audits that you talked about that are quarterly but now you're saying we also do

[3:28:44] monthly are those and those are public facing so we can see those as the gentlemen came up and

[3:28:52] said how are you wrapping in with the audits with everything that we're hearing around the country,

[3:28:57] the disturbances in other jurisdictions where they have misuse it, how are you wrapping in that into

[3:29:04] your network and making sure that you can preemptively not make the same mistakes as other jurisdictions?

[3:29:10] Yeah, well, one to build dense parameters within flock itself and not to speak of the two cases here in North Carolina, but those actual misusage was caught by flock.

[3:29:22] They notified those jurisdictions of the activity that they saw within those two jurisdictions.

[3:29:28] Same here if we had a violation or some misusage within the Raleigh Police Department.

[3:29:34] and not only with our internal folks catch that,

[3:29:38] but flock as well will catch that we've had excessive usage

[3:29:41] or misuse of that system.

[3:29:44] So it's like a two-step verification

[3:29:47] or all that often can, often can.

[3:29:51] Authentication.

[3:29:52] Authentication, yes, thank you, long day.

[3:29:55] So that, we're checks and bounds.

[3:30:00] Let's say, within, not only to office or professional standards, but also within our real-time crime center and our detective division. Okay. Thank you so much. Anything on Ms. Lieutenant.

[3:30:11] So, chief, I appreciate this report today and sharing all this information and the chance to sit down last week. One thing that I think would be worth highlighting is, you know, you've told us that we have 29 cameras here in Raleigh over 160 square miles.

[3:30:29] So just doing your simple math. It's about every five square miles. There's one camera

[3:30:34] How does that compare to other cities? Like do we know what Charlotte has and I will just give an example that I found

[3:30:41] Pretty striking, which was they said San Francisco in 40 square miles has 400 over 400 cameras

[3:30:50] so

[3:30:51] I mean what I took away is the other city that they use yeah, whatever they're once again well over 500 cameras

[3:30:58] or whatever in the city of Atlanta and we're at 29.

[3:31:03] Yeah, so yeah.

[3:31:08] On that, these are the 29 cameras that our PD owns.

[3:31:12] I think some questions and concerns that rise in the community

[3:31:15] are the privately owned flop cameras

[3:31:18] or whatever company they're using.

[3:31:21] And I don't know that that's a question for you,

[3:31:23] maybe for the city attorney or so.

[3:31:25] How do we know are they required to give any information

[3:31:28] to us from private cameras?

[3:31:30] How can we calm the fear of private entities outside of RPD?

[3:31:34] If we have all of our restrictions and let's say our community is like, all right,

[3:31:38] RPD cameras are good, but then the other ones like at a Lowe's Food Shopping Center or a target.

[3:31:44] How is it all just private?

[3:31:46] Is there nothing that we can do to control because it is on private property?

[3:31:51] I answered that on private property, the city has no control of what they do on their private property.

[3:31:58] Okay, thank you.

[3:31:59] Yep.

[3:32:05] Do the cameras capture notable features of the vehicle like bumper stickers?

[3:32:13] It's taken a picture of the back of the car, it's just a tag.

[3:32:17] They're focused on just a tag.

[3:32:19] Now there's a sticker beside the tag then, obviously, yay, we captured that.

[3:32:22] But it is focused on just a tag in the overall vehicle description.

[3:32:27] That's it.

[3:32:28] Okay. And then one last question to your point about how we do not share this information

[3:32:36] with ICE. What happens if another jurisdiction or another law enforcement agency is interested

[3:32:43] in using it? Like, what if your rules change?

[3:32:46] Great question. If another jurisdiction acts, one, there always has to be a criminal connection

[3:32:51] action to an entry into flock.

[3:32:54] If another jurisdiction is investigating, let's say a homicide, and they say this vehicle

[3:32:59] is a Honda Accord, and it might be headed to a search jurisdiction, they will give us

[3:33:05] that description of that vehicle and run it through flock to see if it came through our city.

[3:33:11] So they will share information about the criminal case itself and why that vehicle is of any

[3:33:17] importance.

[3:33:17] And that's already the case where a vehicle involved in a felony will be entered into

[3:33:23] NSEIC, the National Criminal Information Center.

[3:33:27] All sorts of departments have been doing that for years.

[3:33:30] So that car is already in a database for a crime.

[3:33:33] Running it through FLOG has to follow that same guideline that there's a criminal case

[3:33:38] that has occurred and that's why that vehicle has been entered uploaded into the FLOG system

[3:33:44] for other jurisdictions to be on to look out for,

[3:33:47] same as an NCIC entry.

[3:33:50] Okay, so if like, to in that scenario,

[3:33:53] like if they're saying a car might be coming through

[3:33:55] your jurisdiction, are they contacting RPD

[3:33:58] and asking RPD to look,

[3:33:59] or are they just gaining access to the system?

[3:34:01] If they have knowledge that is coming this way,

[3:34:03] if not, they're just gonna upload that vehicle

[3:34:06] because of the criminal case of a homicide

[3:34:09] and it's gonna be an NCIC first,

[3:34:11] National Criminal Information Center first,

[3:34:13] First and then it's also will be uploaded if they are a flock customer into the flock system to be on the look all for any

[3:34:27] other questions.

[3:34:29] All right.

[3:34:30] All right. Thank you.

[3:34:31] Awesome. Thank you, Chief. That concludes my report today.

[3:34:35] All right.

[3:34:36] Next we have the report recommendation of the Raleigh Historic Development Commission.

[3:34:40] We have Tanya Tully from Planning and Development and Rob Allen Commission Chair.

[3:34:44] Good afternoon.

[3:34:47] Tonya Tilly, I have the pleasure of introducing Rob Allen who will present the annual report

[3:34:51] and work plan.

[3:34:56] Good afternoon.

[3:34:57] As Tonya said, I'm Rob Allen, current chair of Raleigh Historic Development Commission.

[3:35:01] Thanks for letting me speak this afternoon about our annual work plan and our annual report.

[3:35:07] We approved our work plan on our regular commission meeting on July 8th.

[3:35:12] So today we're asking you to receive our annual report as information and move for approval of our annual work plan as well.

[3:35:22] You probably know already, but our commission is 12 members appointed by you.

[3:35:28] We also have three full-time city staff members and Councillor Jones.

[3:35:34] Thank you for being our Councillor Azon. You attend basically every meeting.

[3:35:37] so thank you, great attendance, better than some of our own, so thank you.

[3:35:44] Council does—you all do a great job, I think, of seeing the overlap and intersection

[3:35:50] between the various commissions, so we have a lot of intersection with planning commission

[3:35:55] and design review commission and appreciate your support and understanding the overlap

[3:36:03] and how important it is between these various commissions.

[3:36:06] The following slides have a few details about our work as a commission that we've completed

[3:36:12] in the past year and for the upcoming fiscal year.

[3:36:16] In fiscal year 2026, we saw decisions on 166 certificate or appropriateness applications.

[3:36:24] These are abbreviated COA and are, they're the approval to make alterations to structures

[3:36:33] and historic overlay districts, or otherwise landmark properties.

[3:36:38] 130 of those were approved by staff through minor works program.

[3:36:43] And then 36 were approved through our QJ hearing process,

[3:36:48] which is a monthly meeting here in this room.

[3:36:51] We also saw a designation of three new historic landmarks,

[3:36:55] and identified 36 places worthy of preservation.

[3:37:04] The commission also hosted our third annual historic bike ride in partnership with the

[3:37:09] bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee.

[3:37:12] The group this year was about 40 cyclists.

[3:37:15] We went about five miles around downtown Raleigh and saw five important locations that helped

[3:37:22] celebrate the 250th anniversary.

[3:37:27] Our fiscal year, 2027 work plan includes the following initiatives, presenting landmarks

[3:37:34] and plaques at the Sir Walter Raleigh Awards, continuing our historic bike ride again,

[3:37:39] and also celebrating the Bill Moore Hills National Register historic district.

[3:37:48] Finally, in addition to routine work like certificate or appropriateness and historic

[3:37:54] landmark applications. We hope to complete the update to our historic design standards that's

[3:38:02] currently underway. A consultant has been hosting focus groups over the past few weeks and it's

[3:38:09] about ten years since the last update, so design standards are due for an update. We'll also be

[3:38:16] preparing the preservation plan and again in summary we're presenting our annual report for your

[3:38:23] information and annual work plan for the upcoming year for your approval, and we appreciate

[3:38:30] your continued support.

[3:38:31] I'll be happy to take any questions.

[3:38:33] Thank you, Mr. Allen, and those questions, yes, Councilmember.

[3:38:37] Definitely thank you for the report that was presented.

[3:38:39] I have a question for the, in the actual work plan, it mentions a bit more hills, a little

[3:38:45] more information.

[3:38:46] It says the process is ongoing.

[3:38:54] We're hoping it will be in late spring of 2027, so it has been identified and submitted to the national registered but not formally adopted as a national registered historic district, but that's our hope is that in the spring of 2027 it will be approved and able to be celebrated formally.

[3:39:15] Okay, so historically, is it about a year, it takes them a year, is that the normal time?

[3:39:21] I think that's a fair estimate, all right, thank you.

[3:39:26] Any other questions from Mr. Allen?

[3:39:30] Okay, not, we need to, yeah.

[3:39:33] I just want to say, I definitely enjoy coming to your meetings.

[3:39:37] You guys do a wonderful job, committee reports, making sure that everyone is updated on

[3:39:43] The OA happenings, demolitions I know we discussed in the last meeting, so thank you for all

[3:39:49] of that.

[3:39:50] I do remember from our last meeting that there were a few events that I was wondering if

[3:39:54] you could make sure how that I think it was Miss Octavia Rainey, who is hosting an event

[3:39:58] this month that I would like to make sure she has a space to talk about that.

[3:40:03] Yes, she is hosting a helping host Jazz Fest or Gospel Fest, I'm sorry, hi Octavia, hi

[3:40:12] nice to see you.

[3:40:12] Well, you remind me of the date of gospel fest and August the 23rd. It's a Sunday beginning at 3 or 4 p.m

[3:40:22] 4 to 7 and it's at the martin reato performing arts center

[3:40:29] Well, thank you all so much for your work and your continued efforts in preservation because it is very important

[3:40:35] I've learned a lot so thank you and with that I'll move to

[3:40:39] approve their 2027 work plan for R-H-G-C.

[3:40:43] All in favor of the motion, aye.

[3:40:47] All opposed, nay.

[3:40:49] Thank you very much.

[3:40:50] Great, thank you very much.

[3:40:51] Okay, next we have matters scheduled for public hearing.

[3:40:55] The first is unfit dwellings unfit for human habitation, Bryce Abernathy.

[3:41:02] Good afternoon, Mayor and Council.

[3:41:05] Bryce Abernathy with Housing and Community Development.

[3:41:07] The first property I'm bringing here today is 2725 pool road.

[3:41:13] This property caught on fire in April.

[3:41:17] The owner has not applied for any permits to repair.

[3:41:22] This is air property and we have been in touch with an executor of this abuse property.

[3:41:28] And we had asked her to kind of board it up and secure it and that has not happened.

[3:41:32] And so with adoption of the on-fit for human

[3:41:35] application ordinance today, that'll give us the ability to go in and board it up and secure it.

[3:41:39] If it stays in this shape, I'll bring it back to council probably,

[3:41:44] Juneish of next year for a demolition ordinance if no permits or work is start on those.

[3:41:50] Questions?

[3:41:52] I will open the public hearing.

[3:41:54] There's no one signed up in support or opposition and close.

[3:42:02] We'll floor approval.

[3:42:05] All in favor of the motion aye.

[3:42:08] All opposed.

[3:42:08] All right.

[3:42:09] That is unanimous.

[3:42:11] Next, we have public nuisance abatement.

[3:42:16] Again.

[3:42:17] Yes.

[3:42:18] Two of these, we know that two of these have been paid 133 star and 137 star.

[3:42:26] The other payments that we have, whoops,

[3:42:37] yes, 660 Coleman was a

[3:42:40] The referral from our transportation department for a bush that was kind of encroaching into the street and causing a visual obstruction.

[3:42:46] We did take referrals from them and send out notices of violation to the property owners.

[3:42:51] In this instance, the property owner did not get that bush back.

[3:42:57] One, 1011 Oberlin Road was just some sporadic trash throughout the lot and high grass in the front yard.

[3:43:05] was also high grass,

[3:43:10] 4117 St. James Church Road was just sporadic trash and a tree had fallen in the front, and 813 Northwest Street was an overgrown lot in high grass and weeds.

[3:43:26] Okay, and I don't believe we have anyone signed up for any of this, right?

[3:43:31] So I will open the public hearing and close the public hearing.

[3:43:39] Is there a motion?

[3:43:40] Move forward, approval.

[3:43:42] Second.

[3:43:43] All in favor of the motion, aye.

[3:43:45] Aye.

[3:43:45] All opposed, nay.

[3:43:46] And that is unanimous.

[3:43:49] Thank you.

[3:43:49] Next, we have petition annexation AX0626.

[3:43:58] Yes, ma'am.

[3:43:59] Matthew Clem, Raleigh Planning and Development.

[3:44:02] This is a request to annex a piece of property

[3:44:05] just on Mitchell Mill Road.

[3:44:07] The applicant has requested to hold the public hearing open until March.

[3:44:13] They had plans to redevelop the site and build a new home and wanted to connect to water

[3:44:18] and sewer utilities.

[3:44:21] After doing some research, they are just looking for a little more time to understand their household

[3:44:26] costs in terms of the cost to extend utilities to the site, which are adjacent to the property,

[3:44:32] which is why they're required to come in for annexation and just getting more

[3:44:37] research on what it would cost to upfit their existing private utilities so

[3:44:42] they're well-inceptic on site. So the applicants are not here but they have

[3:44:45] requested to hold the hearing until March just to do that research for themselves

[3:44:49] to understand their household costs for what annexation would mean for them.

[3:45:00] Seems like a very long time to hold a case open, and I know we have to set it to a date certain. Would it be more prudent to just withdraw this case and have them reapply? We did advise them of those options. They have not withdrawn their case. So the item is before you for your deliberation. You could take action on the case today. And if, for example, if you deny the case, they could request annexation petition sometime in the future when they got more information.

[3:45:28] and we gave them that same information

[3:45:31] and shared that same concern.

[3:45:33] Okay.

[3:45:34] So, and so, I guess that speaks to my follow-up question.

[3:45:37] So there's no consequence for them

[3:45:39] if we were to deny today and they reapplied it in the future,

[3:45:42] there's not a two year waiting period

[3:45:44] or some other kind of.

[3:45:45] Kind of pay another fine link fee application fee, right?

[3:45:49] Yeah, the application fee.

[3:45:49] So they would have to pay another application fee,

[3:45:51] which is how much is that?

[3:45:53] I don't know, off hand, I'll ask my staff to look that up

[3:45:57] and we're going to get you that cost okay okay

[3:46:02] yeah it feels like a very long time

[3:46:06] to hold the key what about $600 for the application that could be significant for our family

[3:46:16] correct

[3:46:22] I will say they did reach out to me and I that what was communicating to me at the time

[3:46:26] is that they would be in touch with you and I this is the kind of first closing of the loop

[3:46:31] If we could just hold this open for two weeks to the afternoon meeting, so I can have a

[3:46:38] chance to consult with the residents directly.

[3:46:42] If the Council is available to that, my motion would be to hold this open.

[3:46:46] Well, let me open the hearing and then we will, you want to make your motion to hold it open.

[3:46:53] Yes.

[3:46:54] Move to hold this case open until September 1st in the afternoon meeting.

[3:47:01] So moved. Second. All in favor of that motion. I all opposed. Appreciate the creative problem-solving.

[3:47:10] Next we have AX0726, 2900 Barrington Drive.

[3:47:27] Yep. Thank you, Mayor. This is a request to Annex roughly one acre piece of property for the purposes

[3:47:33] of developing four detached housing units on the site. Water and sewer are directly available in

[3:47:41] bearing can drive. There is an existing detached structure on the site. It's within our priority

[3:47:47] annexation boundary. It is outside of the standard NFPA response time for full fire response

[3:47:55] and arrival for a second company. That's the information on the case. I have the rest of the slide

[3:48:00] deck if you're interested in more information. I'm happy to answer any questions. Questions?

[3:48:07] Okay. So we'll open the hearing and close it because there's no one signed up. Do we have a motion?

[3:48:14] Move for approval.

[3:48:16] Second. All in favor of the motion, aye.

[3:48:19] Aye.

[3:48:19] All opposed, nay. That is unanimous.

[3:48:22] As we all know, ax09 was taken off.

[3:48:26] And then next was ax14265700 fox road.

[3:48:32] Yep,

[3:48:35] similar case I can go ahead and get started.

[3:48:37] This is a request to annex a small parcel for the purposes of developing four townhouse

[3:48:45] units.

[3:48:46] It is in the priority annexation area and is adjacent to utilities more details on this

[3:48:52] screen here in just a second.

[3:48:54] Yep, there you go.

[3:48:55] Outside of this standard NFPA response time for a full response and arrival of a second

[3:48:59] company, .6 Craig or site, they have a subdivision approved and an interview for SPR.

[3:49:13] Okay. Questions? All right. We'll open the public hearing and close it. We have a motion.

[3:49:22] Move for approval. Second. All in favor. Aye. All opposed.

[3:49:28] That's unanimous.

[3:49:31] All right.

[3:49:31] Next we have 319 Hex Street.

[3:49:35] And we have Hannah Rekow from Planning and Development.

[3:49:38] Yes. Good afternoon.

[3:49:40] Hannah Rekow, Planning and Development.

[3:49:41] This is a request to re-zone 319 Hex Street from R10

[3:49:46] with the Neighborhood Conservation Overlay District to RX4 conditional use.

[3:49:50] As you may recall, this hearing was opened at your June 16th meeting

[3:49:53] and a request of the applicant kept open

[3:49:56] to allow them time to consider possible changes to the request.

[3:50:00] No changes have been made, so the request is still RX-4 conditional use with the same conditions you saw on June 16th.

[3:50:07] So with that happy to review any details of the case or answer any questions?

[3:50:12] Questions from Mr. Rackle?

[3:50:15] I have one question for staff. So based on the current conditions, what's the height?

[3:50:22] of the request or the of this request it is four stories and then the conditions

[3:50:28] limit it to 55 feet okay

[3:50:33] any other questions okay I will open the public hearing

[3:50:38] and we have two folks signed up in support for we should have eight minutes right

[3:50:44] this

[3:50:47] hearing was continued okay not that time I have been depleted so you guys

[3:50:51] and added four minutes per side.

[3:50:52] Okay, correct, so two minutes, two folks on this support side.

[3:51:00] Thank you.

[3:51:01] Molly Stewart Morningstar Law Group here on behalf of the applicant.

[3:51:04] With respect to the height, I do want to note that that 55-foot height would bring in the

[3:51:08] full neighborhood transition to the R district to the south, so that would be a 50-foot building

[3:51:13] setback with an additional height control for a 65-foot distance before you get to that

[3:51:19] 50-foot height, most likely, this site would develop at 50 feet maximum because it would

[3:51:23] reduce that neighborhood transition.

[3:51:26] Just want to highlight that.

[3:51:27] One of the issues that we've heard with this request relates to the NCOD removal.

[3:51:32] Specifically, we keep hearing that this is a slippery slope issue that somehow nibbling

[3:51:36] away at the edge of the NCOD will result in the unraveling of the historic character of

[3:51:41] the neighborhood.

[3:51:42] There's a larger threat to our downtown.

[3:51:44] We have already seen that our downtown is surrounded by and often directly controlled

[3:51:49] by a combination of historic overlay districts and NCODs.

[3:51:53] We've seen that our NCODs do not actually conserve character unless short detached expensive

[3:51:59] housing is a character.

[3:52:01] If there was ever a property that lacked character or any positive contribution to its neighborhood,

[3:52:06] this is it.

[3:52:08] If there was ever a property that should never have been included in the

[3:52:12] C.O.D. as it did not conform with the C.O.D. on adoption, this is the one.

[3:52:17] And if there was ever a property sitting on the very outer fringe of a

[3:52:20] C.O.D. in fronting on the main cut through street of that N.C.O.D., this is it.

[3:52:25] The City Council has taken extraordinary and well-founded measures to ensure

[3:52:29] that this is a city with an efficient bus system that serves dense quarters.

[3:52:33] It has mapped, specifically, where those transit quarters should be supported with residents and with businesses.

[3:52:39] It has adopted measures to ensure that the city can grow the small developers who can provide the downtown infill housing our city needs.

[3:52:47] And now a homegrown and experienced small developer, one with a demonstrated track record of working to solve the problem of providing housing in the downtown area for non-millionaires is bringing here a proposal meeting every one of these policies.

[3:53:01] He has engaged extensively with the neighbors.

[3:53:04] He's heard their concerns through three neighborhood meetings and countless one-on-one conversations.

[3:53:10] And that has resulted in zoning conditions that cap the building height, cap the number of units, provide historical marker, prohibit all office use and all retail use.

[3:53:21] In short, he's done everything he's been asked to that he believes in his experience can still produce a viable project.

[3:53:27] So, yes, there is a slippery slope at issue here, a no here at the far edge of the NCOD.

[3:53:35] Next to a parcel that can be built at 80 feet tall, a no in this location would tell

[3:53:40] all of our small developers not to bring us infill in these locations.

[3:53:45] Unless that infill is a simple tear down of older housing stock for replacement with larger

[3:53:51] more expensive detached houses.

[3:53:53] We would be telling them that no matter how accommodating of neighbor concerns you may be,

[3:53:58] we cannot support any amount of gentle density, despite having put in place the neighborhood

[3:54:03] transition requirements to provide buffers in exactly this situation.

[3:54:08] In a minute, I expect you're going to hear about the importance of maintaining those NCODs.

[3:54:14] As though they are providing conservation benefits, as if they do not drive up housing costs

[3:54:20] or reduce our supply in our core and push residents further out where they're now required to drive.

[3:54:26] And you'll hear about the threat that's posed by a few more feet of height than what's permitted by right in a typical R10 district in the city.

[3:54:34] We simply ask that in hearing those concerns, we also continue to ask the question that if we don't even want four store moderate density here, where would we rather see that?

[3:54:45] Thank you.

[3:54:46] All right.

[3:54:48] Thank you.

[3:54:50] All right.

[3:54:51] Next we will move to the opposition.

[3:54:54] We have seven folks to speak in four minutes.

[3:54:58] I will just name you.

[3:54:59] And I'm assuming you guys can organize yourself.

[3:55:02] Stacy Murphy, Chris Cruz, Sarah Maritz, Kathleen Payne, Katie Long,

[3:55:06] Octavia Rainian, Matthew Brown.

[3:55:23] I'm Katie Long.

[3:55:24] I live four houses down.

[3:55:26] I've spoken to you in a planning commission every time it's been on the agenda.

[3:55:30] and I'm here on behalf of every homeowner living

[3:55:33] on the 900 block of Oakwood directly next to the slot.

[3:55:37] Every one of us is raising children here.

[3:55:40] Their jobs prevented them from speaking today,

[3:55:42] but every one of you received an email

[3:55:44] from each of them this week,

[3:55:46] and from two renters on the block,

[3:55:48] and the family and idle wild,

[3:55:50] who lives directly across from this slot.

[3:55:52] As elected officials,

[3:55:53] you know there's no shortage of opinion,

[3:55:55] but it's hard to get people engaged into act.

[3:55:57] We did, this is important.

[3:55:59] Optioning and removing the NCOD is significant.

[3:56:02] It currently offers us the protection of 10 units on this half acre.

[3:56:06] Staff estimated it could jump to 52, Council Member Branch U heard that concern and asked

[3:56:11] the developer with submitting a condition with their planned max.

[3:56:15] You heard the answer, 40.

[3:56:17] Go to the affordable housing cottages of idle wild under construction behind us.

[3:56:22] 1.17 acres with 18 units, it's dense but in a neighborly way.

[3:56:28] This half acre would be over four times that density, 40 as a deal breaker.

[3:56:33] Throughout this process, my neighbors and I have consistently contacted the developer asking for site plans help us help you.

[3:56:39] Get us comfortable with what you have planned, the basics of stat backs and parking to fit to the neighborhood.

[3:56:44] There's only street parking on one side of Oakwood.

[3:56:47] We have a love, the bike lane on the other.

[3:56:49] The flanking streets of heck and idle wild are very narrow at 25 feet.

[3:56:53] parking on both sides would make emergency vehicles difficult.

[3:56:57] When we collaborate, which we tried, we raise and solve these problems, but no site plans.

[3:57:02] Our recommendation of a 20-unit max was rejected outright, and it's generous.

[3:57:06] We shared a link to new construction on par with our recommendation, Suele between Newburn

[3:57:12] and Eden 10, so you could visualize firsthand 20.

[3:57:15] Those are half acre lots, 18 units on one side, 20 units on the other, and much busier streets.

[3:57:22] It's dense, but it supports how reasonable we are trying to be.

[3:57:26] Additionally, our request for true parity with current zoning to exclude commercial usage

[3:57:30] was rejected.

[3:57:31] If providing housing is there true intent, that should be no problem.

[3:57:35] Please deny the 3925 preserve our unique neighborhood where idle wild and oakwood meet.

[3:57:42] Rest assured your vote against is a rejection of 40 densely packed units, not a vote against

[3:57:47] housing, preserve current, and you still enable 10 newly constructed neighborhood friendly units on this half-acre.

[3:57:56] A raise of the NCOD on this and a change in zoning to RX to evade section 2.2.7 of the UDO is not in the public interest and is a clear example of spot zoning.

[3:58:09] Absent any detailed plans, you can't make a decision on this that is not arbitrary and capricious.

[3:58:15] This is detrimental to the protection afforded to Raleigh's residential neighborhoods.

[3:58:20] 25% of Raleigh's own from multi-use mixed or multi-story mixed use.

[3:58:26] 4% is protected by an NCOD, 1% by an HOD.

[3:58:31] Please listen to these public concerns and deny this request.

[3:58:34] Thank you.

[3:58:40] I'm asking you to deny this request for the NCOD.

[3:58:45] I worked with George Chapman years ago on the NCOD in out a while in New

[3:58:53] Bern Avenue. He said, this is for our protection. You may not need it now,

[3:58:59] but you may need it in the future. This is the future and we need it. Please

[3:59:05] deny this request. Also, our history is not for sale, so also deny,

[3:59:12] I do signage of whatever he wants to put up.

[3:59:16] You know, slavery is over.

[3:59:18] You don't have to sell our history.

[3:59:25] Out of wilds, one of Rale's oldest black neighborhoods

[3:59:27] and most of the beautiful historic houses are still standing.

[3:59:33] Most of, many of them are over 100 years old.

[3:59:36] Many of them are naturally occurring, affordable housing.

[3:59:41] Thank you.

[3:59:43] All right.

[3:59:44] All right, any questions for I close the.

[3:59:47] I have a question from the store.

[3:59:52] Is your client planning on building 40 units?

[3:59:56] He is here.

[4:00:04] My name is Stuart Cullen in. I've lived in the College Park neighborhood since 2006, up until last fall when I moved, and I've raised my family here, so I've been in this neighborhood. I've also lived in Oakwood. The 40 unit max is a scenario where these are just one bedroom apartments or condos. That's sort of the lowest possible entry price point that you'd see in a neighborhood.

[4:00:32] I think that realistically with a combination of one and two bedroom units,

[4:00:37] we'd probably be in the 30 to 32 range to comfortably park it.

[4:00:44] From a unit max perspective, and not known exactly where the market's going,

[4:00:49] we wanted to leave a maximum in place that sort of provided a ton of different options.

[4:00:56] Town Homes are an option.

[4:00:58] You know, what's there today is 12 units on a half acre, which is probably quite a bit denser than the Rale area land trust project down the street and they've been there since 1973.

[4:01:10] So the likelihood is that it is going to be less than that.

[4:01:15] But that again was a maximum, an absolute maximum.

[4:01:20] So thank you for the question.

[4:01:28] I just a couple of questions I have.

[4:01:33] This one is actually for staff.

[4:01:36] So there's currently 12 units there.

[4:01:39] It's .5 acres, but this was labeled as R10.

[4:01:43] Why do we initially make this R10 when the current units there, we know they're no longer

[4:01:51] and grant service because of the fire,

[4:01:53] but they see the current allow units.

[4:01:59] And I know it may be before you,

[4:02:01] but that's the question I have.

[4:02:02] Yeah, my educated guess is that it is likely

[4:02:05] that because the definition of our 10 has changed over the years.

[4:02:10] And I'll turn, I don't know.

[4:02:15] Yeah, and I'll say in the 2014 remapping

[4:02:20] and the adoption of the UDO,

[4:02:22] So that mapping exercise transferred effectively the same existing zoning to the new zoning

[4:02:31] has defined in the unified development ordinance.

[4:02:34] So properties zoning wasn't changed based on what was built there.

[4:02:37] So there was no up or down zoning really in that process by and large.

[4:02:42] So if the development was non-conforming based on the zoning at that time, then that has

[4:02:49] I've just been in place since the remapping in 2014.

[4:02:53] Adopted in 2016.

[4:02:54] Okay, all right, thank you.

[4:02:56] This question is for the applicant.

[4:02:59] You mentioned needing four stories for your project.

[4:03:05] Can you explain why four stories, again?

[4:03:09] It's been a month and a half since we've heard.

[4:03:13] I did want to mention the zoning component.

[4:03:17] I've studied the neighborhood area plan

[4:03:19] that was authorized by Council, I think it was in like the early 90s and this property

[4:03:25] was originally an R20. It was down zone as part of the NCOD, everything sort of got

[4:03:30] down zone to R10 and so that's a little bit of the history obviously that predates the

[4:03:35] UDO, but originally when we had our first neighborhood meeting what came up was the concern

[4:03:42] about retail so we immediately removed that option. I mean I think I understand how neighborhood

[4:03:48] head retail can be an ad benefit to a neighborhood, but that was a big concern here.

[4:03:53] We ultimately also removed office in case that became a concern.

[4:03:58] But as far as the height goes, part of the reason that came into conversation was because

[4:04:04] neighbors were concerned about parking.

[4:04:07] And so for us, we really wanted to have three floors of residential.

[4:04:10] And to have one floor of parking and then two floors of residential,

[4:04:14] It just was going to be a lot of parking structure and not as much residential and just ends up sort of creating an affordability issue.

[4:04:22] So we kept the Rx like the three story component with the goal of having parking underneath to accommodate one park per unit around that range.

[4:04:34] So that was a change that we did make in the process at sort of a response to people, our neighbors asking, how are you going to park it?

[4:04:42] So that was the, that was the reason.

[4:04:48] Other questions?

[4:04:49] Yes, Councilor Silver.

[4:04:51] Whether staff or Malik can answer this question,

[4:04:53] I just want to be clear when this NCOD was approved

[4:05:00] that property was non-conforming to the requirements

[4:05:05] of the NCOD, did I get that correct?

[4:05:12] Yes, and specifically the building placement.

[4:05:19] Any other questions or?

[4:05:23] Not really a question. This one's been a tough one for me because I understand the concerns of the community.

[4:05:31] And I also understand the developer and what they're trying to do in our need for housing.

[4:05:37] And I've gone back and forth and forth and back on what I thought about this case.

[4:05:43] And I even drove by it again the other day to look at it.

[4:05:48] And me driving by it helped me determine where I'm going with my motion in the end.

[4:05:59] And my motion is, I actually move to the adopt, the proposed consistency statement dated

[4:06:04] August 18th, 2026 contained in the general materials and to deny this zoning amendment.

[4:06:13] All right, so the motion is to deny, so an I is a denial, all right, so all in.

[4:06:20] voting aye voting to deny okay and voting against denial okay so that is a

[4:06:35] four for split.

[4:06:43] I'll make a motion to approve then I move to adopt a

[4:06:45] process this is statement dated August 18th 2026 containing the

[4:06:49] agenda materials and to approve the zoning amendment with the adoption and effective

[4:06:52] dates described in the agenda item under recommended action. Second all in

[4:06:58] In favor of the motion, aye.

[4:07:00] All opposed?

[4:07:02] Same.

[4:07:03] Okay.

[4:07:06] All right.

[4:07:08] We will move on.

[4:07:11] The next case is Z-51-25-48-04.

[4:07:17] And 48-08.

[4:07:20] I think Mayor might be helpful to clarify.

[4:07:22] I'm not sure if everyone knows what happens.

[4:07:23] Right, so it was a split vote.

[4:07:25] So there was not enough to approve or deny.

[4:07:29] So, City Attorney, so no change.

[4:07:33] So, is it actually there's no change?

[4:07:35] Yeah.

[4:07:36] And the applicant has an opportunity, if these so chooses,

[4:07:40] to refile a new application at any time.

[4:07:44] That is correct.

[4:07:47] Yeah, thank you for the clarification.

[4:07:51] Okay, 4804 and 4808 Spring Force Roads, Z-5125.

[4:08:05] Good afternoon, Mayor Cal.

[4:08:07] Members of the City Council.

[4:08:08] Matthew Burns of the Planning and Development.

[4:08:10] This is a request to rezone two parcels that are just under four acres from residential

[4:08:15] one to commercial mixed use three stories with conditions.

[4:08:19] The request is consistent with the 2030 plan inconsistent with the future lane use map

[4:08:23] and the planning commission recommends unanimous approval of the request.

[4:08:29] This site is in Northeast Raleigh about a quarter mile west of the intersection of Lewisburg,

[4:08:33] U.S. 401 in Spring Forest Road, and about three-quarter miles southwest of U.S. 401 and 540's interchange.

[4:08:44] To the northwest and south are residential pieces, whereas to the east and southeast are commercial

[4:08:49] and industrial uses, including a food line and McDonald's in a car dealership.

[4:08:56] Here are some views of the site along Spring Forest Road, Silver ash drive.

[4:09:04] So the applicant is proposing for zoning conditions, the first of which would prohibit certain

[4:09:09] uses.

[4:09:10] The second would limit overall development intensity and that conditions continued on

[4:09:17] this slide.

[4:09:20] It would also prohibit tobacco and or vape shops and require a 20-foot type B protective

[4:09:27] yard along the western and southern property lines for any site plan proposing a non-residential

[4:09:32] use.

[4:09:32] So that's just, this slide is just visualizing that condition showing where that type B buffer

[4:09:42] would apply.

[4:09:46] So the request would represent increase in entitlement for residential office and retail

[4:09:50] uses.

[4:09:53] And overall, the request is consistent with the comprehensive plan and inconsistent with

[4:09:58] the future lane use map.

[4:10:00] It's currently designated as low-scale residential, which calls for residential uses.

[4:10:04] and what they're proposing would be commercial,

[4:10:07] would allow for commercial.

[4:10:10] And staff identified eight consistent policies

[4:10:13] with the requests which are related to compact development,

[4:10:16] mixed use development, housing variety and infill,

[4:10:21] as well as zoning for housing.

[4:10:25] And the three inconsistent policies

[4:10:27] are related to the future lane use map and fire response.

[4:10:33] And because this request is inconsistent

[4:10:35] consistent with the feature lane use map, if it were to be approved, then the map would be amended from low-scale residential to community mix use, which would look like this.

[4:10:46] And just as a reminder, the Planning Commission recommends approval unanimously, noting that the request would allow for increased lane use intensity near an existing commercial node, increased residential entitlement, allow missing middle housing and add to the housing supply.

[4:11:02] Please let me know if you have any questions before you open the public hearing.

[4:11:06] Questions?

[4:11:08] Yeah, I have some transportation questions.

[4:11:10] There is a sidewalk gap on this frontage and there's also, you know, those spots in

[4:11:17] our city where there's more right-of-way dedication, there's more road, and then it next down and

[4:11:23] then comes back because it's no right-of-way.

[4:11:25] has been dedicated here, so I'm just curious what are the circumstances under which we would

[4:11:32] get the sidewalk or get the further right-of-way designation, what road improvements can we

[4:11:38] look for in this case?

[4:11:40] I'll defer my transportation colleagues.

[4:11:42] Good afternoon, Barbara Godman, with transportation, so those public improvements would be required

[4:11:48] by the UDO with submission of a tier 3 site plan or subdivision plan for this site.

[4:11:53] Okay, and for in layman's terms here's a three site plan would be like right now there's a single family home if they rebuild a single family home

[4:12:01] That's not going to get us there, but if they were like an apartment building it would

[4:12:06] Most likely yes, okay. Thank you.

[4:12:12] Any other questions?

[4:12:14] Okay, I will open the public hearing and I have hunter windstead signed up in support

[4:12:31] Thank you Mr. Burns

[4:12:32] Good afternoon, Mayor Cowell, Councilmember Sonner-Winstead, Morningstar Law Group, representing the applicant in this case.

[4:12:38] As with any rezoning case, there's really two questions. One, is the case reasonable, and two, is it in the public interest?

[4:12:45] We believe there are three main reasons why this case is reasonable and in the public interest.

[4:12:50] Reason number one, it's consistent with the comprehensive plan, you can walk through a few of those policies.

[4:12:54] Reason number two, it really takes into account the surrounding context, the built environment that is built around this entire site on all sides.

[4:13:01] and number three, it brings community serving retail

[4:13:04] to an area where there's certainly a demand for it.

[4:13:07] Turning first to comprehensive plan consistency,

[4:13:10] just a few of those key policies listed here

[4:13:12] on the bottom and happy to answer any questions about them.

[4:13:15] The main one to me is this is really infill development

[4:13:18] at its core, as you can see from the aerial,

[4:13:20] again that built environment all the way around the site

[4:13:22] is constructed, but there's a mixed use node

[4:13:25] just to the left here, which is east facing.

[4:13:27] We're facing south here from this aerial view.

[4:13:29] There's an R10, that most intense residential zoning district on the right side, which is our west side.

[4:13:36] Infilt development really add its core, a big piece of that, really a sister policy that comes along with Infilt

[4:13:42] development's councilor Patton mentioned is that connectivity piece. And so here's just an aerial view zoomed in at the

[4:13:48] front of the site showing that sidewalk here on the left side that's existing, and you can see the road is wider there.

[4:13:54] Same thing on the other side, existing sidewalk stubbed to our site where the road is widened.

[4:13:59] And if you're driving down spring-forced road, this would be facing, if you're driving west,

[4:14:05] going toward the Brenda Mayor neighborhood, you'll see how wide the road is right in front

[4:14:08] of our site and how much it narrows in, forcing traffic to really narrow there at our site

[4:14:13] frontage.

[4:14:14] Same thing from the other side, this would be facing east, the road's widened there.

[4:14:18] Here's a cross-section of the four-lane avenue with the median divided, the streetpoint

[4:14:23] designation here, so the transportation staff mentioned, tier three site plan comes through,

[4:14:28] we'd be required to dedicate and construct, to conform to that street plan designation,

[4:14:33] just a quick illustration. Not an engineer drawing, just an illustration, I put together to show

[4:14:37] how that road will be widened there under a tier three site plan, so that's the connectivity piece

[4:14:42] that we think really is. The crux of this case, that was the frontage. Here's the zoomed-in view

[4:14:47] on the eastern boundary of our site. We've got a food line right next to us, amber springs apartments

[4:14:53] But we did it with this slide.

[4:14:54] It's just overlaid.

[4:14:55] Some of those recorded documents were this crossed out.

[4:15:00] Stubbed our site that we've got to connect to, that will allow folks that live on the other side of our site to either go up and cross over the new sidewalk on spring forest road or navigate through our site to take advantage of all those uses. This commercial uses that could be on this site as well as a food line and those other uses on the site just next to us. Point number two is this case really takes into account the surrounding context to show in a few of those future land use map designations and what's existing on each of the sites that surround us. Looking to the left.

[4:15:29] this really does integrate with and fill in this last piece of this mixed-use node that's just

[4:15:36] adjacent to us and that policy that's relevant here reinforcing the urban pattern. We're making

[4:15:41] sure that design integrates well and part of that is the connectivity as well with that mixed-use

[4:15:45] node turning to the other side. We've switched directions now our face and north with our residential

[4:15:49] neighborhood over on the other side. A lot of conversation at the neighborhood meetings and we had

[4:15:54] two planning commission meetings about buffering making sure that we really went through and did a deep

[4:15:59] dive on the neighborhood transition provisions here. This illustration shows those three zones

[4:16:03] in the neighborhood transition provisions. What we did is one ahead and committed to for zone

[4:16:08] A, option two, which is a 20-foot planted buffer, and here's that illustration down on the right

[4:16:13] side. To really show we've got that compatibility as folks navigate through our site,

[4:16:17] get to the site on the other side of us that we still have those buffers adjacent to the residential.

[4:16:23] One quick thing to note to on these two stub streets here and here.

[4:16:28] We are right on the crux and require a little bit of engineering when we get into that two or three site plan stages

[4:16:33] to whether we're required.

[4:16:34] The general rule is that we will be required to connect to those given the size of the site on the amount of impervious surfaces.

[4:16:40] As I add, it's kind of an open question from my clients perspective.

[4:16:44] Certainly that if required to do it, we'll absolutely connect those at the site plan stage.

[4:16:52] And then the last piece is really bringing that community serving retail to the site.

[4:16:57] taken a site that currently has one home on it that cannot be accessed or used by the community

[4:17:01] and turn it into something that the folks that live around this area that work around this area

[4:17:05] can actually use. Something that benefits both sides of our site. Just yesterday I went and visited,

[4:17:11] there's three shops over to the north, the south side of the food line here, there's a subway,

[4:17:15] pizza shop, and a barber shop. They're all open on the far side of that site. Adding that density,

[4:17:23] bringing more people to this area will help both the retail uses that are on this site

[4:17:28] and the one adjacent to it. Same thing with the neighborhood that's over on the other

[4:17:32] side of us. It will really have not just neighbors but also services that these folks can use

[4:17:37] both on our site and of course have that connectivity across to get to that food line,

[4:17:41] get to those other shops there really benefiting this entire area. And really the theme there

[4:17:46] is from the LU 6.1 composition that makes you sinners, the idea is really to bring people together

[4:17:52] not to keep folks separated. If you look at this area, you can see the separation between

[4:17:55] the folks that live over to the right side, and all the services that exist on the left

[4:17:59] side, we really see this case as bringing those together and having an integration that

[4:18:03] works well. With that, we would request that the council approve this rezoning and happy

[4:18:07] to answer any questions. Thank you. Questions from Mr. Wens-Dudd?

[4:18:13] Yes. Hi.

[4:18:16] Curious, I feel, do you think that your site will trigger any off-site improvements, like

[4:18:20] For instance, the Primavera apartments on the bottom down here.

[4:18:24] Left is difficult for them to cross the street to access the retail.

[4:18:28] Yes, it would not trigger off-site improvements just given the intensity through the envision analysis the transfer station staff does through the rezoning process.

[4:18:36] And only, it's not off-site, it's our frontage will be dedicated and constructed.

[4:18:41] Nothing down your Primavera.

[4:18:43] Great. I have another question for you, but for staff, I'll just throw it out there so you can prepare it and then tell me in a second.

[4:18:49] I believe there are NCDOT improvements coming to the intersection around Spring Force Road in Lewisburg.

[4:18:56] So I would like to hear about those from staff in a moment.

[4:18:59] But back to you, the street stubs, can you go to that side?

[4:19:03] Yes.

[4:19:05] This one.

[4:19:06] That's fine.

[4:19:07] Yeah.

[4:19:08] Is the Williams primary access point still be on Spring Force Road?

[4:19:13] Yeah, that's the plan.

[4:19:14] It'll still be on Spring Force Road.

[4:19:15] Okay, and so then you're not even sure that you will need to pick up these street steps.

[4:19:21] That's exactly right.

[4:19:22] There's a chance that there might not be a connection requirement there, and you would

[4:19:25] see that buffer that's continuous, but it's not, you know, we'll defer to staff when we get

[4:19:29] through site plan on how that all connects.

[4:19:31] Okay, and do you know yet if you'll any access on spring fours, would that be like a full

[4:19:36] movement or right and right out, do you know?

[4:19:38] We don't know yet.

[4:19:39] There's plan to be immediate in there on the comprehensive plan, so it's potentially right

[4:19:43] I didn't write out only, that's more of a cycling question, as well, which don't know at the stage.

[4:19:48] Okay, great, I might have more feedback for you in a sec, but I'll look for that answer from staff around DOT improvements coming to the interception.

[4:20:01] Good afternoon, again, Barbara Godwin, transportation.

[4:20:04] So yes, there is a planned project to improve the intersection at Spring Forest and

[4:20:08] Loisburg Road, some intersection improvements.

[4:20:12] They're going to be adding audible signals, leading pedestrian intervals and

[4:20:16] and some overall crossing improvements at that intersection.

[4:20:19] So, our vision zero team is working with the state on that project.

[4:20:22] It is funded and delivery is expected within the next three to five years.

[4:20:27] Okay.

[4:20:27] Thank you very much.

[4:20:29] All right.

[4:20:30] We can hear from the others.

[4:20:31] Okay.

[4:20:33] All right.

[4:20:36] So, now we will ask the opposition.

[4:20:40] We have eight minutes for three speakers signed up, David Bender, Scott Ayers, and Robin

[4:20:45] Tatum.

[4:20:56] Hello, City Council, pleasure to be here, I just want to first say thank you for your time in the past, I'm not going to reiterate what I had on the PowerPoint, I do want to make a quick correction, I got off the phone on Friday with State Commissioner Johnson's office of the North Carolina Department of Transportation and they cannot commit to three to five years improvement because it's a federally funded project that would improve a crosswalk at Lewisburg

[4:21:27] and spring forest.

[4:21:28] Since we last spoke, there have been three more rescues

[4:21:31] of seniors from the Primavera apartment

[4:21:33] trying to cross spring forest between the food line.

[4:21:38] And a couple of super quick things.

[4:21:42] Nobody's against housing there.

[4:21:43] In fact, we want housing there.

[4:21:46] The reason it doesn't go with the future land use map

[4:21:48] is it's not in a transportation corridor,

[4:21:51] so transportation isn't gonna be increased.

[4:21:53] We don't know when an intersection,

[4:21:54] when there will be a crosswalk there, and there's clearly a safety issue, and you know it didn't have to be rezoned to commercial mixed use to increase housing density there.

[4:22:07] Not saying it needs to remain an R1, but on a 3.8 acre site, the developer himself has specifically told me that he has no plans to put any housing units there, because it wouldn't be profitable for him.

[4:22:20] If what Hunter is saying is that like this is such a wonderful thing for the neighborhood

[4:22:25] I don't know why the entire neighborhood is pretty much against it. I've provided you with the petition

[4:22:29] It's up to about close to 200 people surrounding the area. There's not one person who's been for it and

[4:22:37] In terms of the character of the neighborhood

[4:22:39] I with all the respect of Mr. Winstead the neighborhood understands its character the character. This was a farm

[4:22:45] And he's saying that it's a classic infill

[4:22:48] It's not a classic infill because it is a budding, it's not surrounded by commercial

[4:22:53] mixed use.

[4:22:54] The commercial mixed use that it's next to is not being developed for commercial mixed

[4:22:58] use because there's a plethora of retail that is not being used now.

[4:23:06] If Mr. Winstead spoke to the retailers at the food line, they would know that they're struggling.

[4:23:14] the pizza place has gone through three

[4:23:15] ono ships in the last eight months.

[4:23:19] And he's saying, well, if we build more,

[4:23:22] these businesses will have better use.

[4:23:26] The Planning Commission did ask that him,

[4:23:28] if he had spoken to the businesses,

[4:23:30] the developer, and he said no.

[4:23:34] And I'm not going to reiterate what I put on there

[4:23:36] with a little bit of sidewalk.

[4:23:38] You still can't cross the street there.

[4:23:40] There's still a safety issue.

[4:23:41] So this isn't bringing together the community,

[4:23:44] is it bringing together the community against this,

[4:23:46] you know, if anything.

[4:23:48] But that's all I'm gonna say.

[4:23:51] See it to the next person.

[4:23:56] Good afternoon.

[4:23:57] I'm redatating.

[4:23:58] I signed up as redatating and I ended up on the...

[4:24:00] Okay, as Robin.

[4:24:02] That's our ex city attorney.

[4:24:03] I was like, I mean.

[4:24:05] We're opposed to this.

[4:24:07] We don't need any more pawn shops,

[4:24:10] car shops, use car dealerships.

[4:24:13] And we already have a plethora of those on the capital of art, triangle mall.

[4:24:19] This is not the standard in Norfield's on Ridge Road areas that I previously lived in.

[4:24:24] We're going to get businesses like we already have.

[4:24:27] We don't know.

[4:24:28] We don't know what's going to be there.

[4:24:30] We have proposed, the proposed site has no traffic control devices, which we've already discussed.

[4:24:36] The community is indeed of additional housing.

[4:24:39] Commercial space is not what we need.

[4:24:41] We know what it looks like a triangle mall up and down spring for so we don't want any more that here

[4:24:47] I can search now and honor them because we will be the ones that paid a price later after the

[4:24:54] developers and

[4:24:56] After the long years ago, we are the ones that would be overpriced and under delivered to so here I cross now and help us by voting

[4:25:05] No, let

[4:25:10] me just got here as I let it 5 5 3 7 silver ash road

[4:25:13] So our property actually shares a border with this property.

[4:25:20] So I would say it's fair to say I represent people on Silver ash drive and the people

[4:25:25] on the other side of the road, nobody's had any compelling desire to have additional

[4:25:31] retail space there.

[4:25:35] If you look at it now, even if the sidewalk went through, there's no, you're going to have

[4:25:40] at the walk way over there, to walk way over there.

[4:25:42] Nobody's gonna do that.

[4:25:43] People walk through the line now and do it for exercise.

[4:25:46] I would also ask for a, you know,

[4:25:51] I live in a residential neighborhood.

[4:25:53] I know if they build commercial,

[4:25:55] immediately everybody in all my neighbors

[4:25:57] will lose value in their property.

[4:26:00] It's a big win for Mr. Moss who'll make a lot of money.

[4:26:03] His high school charm was on the planning commission.

[4:26:06] So that was a nice coincidence.

[4:26:07] Didn't recuse himself.

[4:26:09] But I'd just be curious to see a show of hands among y'all at the table.

[4:26:13] How many of you would like to have a commercial place next door to them

[4:26:18] boarding their property, like maybe a burger king or a car wash or gas station?

[4:26:24] Anybody? I mean, I don't want that.

[4:26:27] And I also would like to point out which is interesting with the talk coming up over the roadstubs.

[4:26:35] We've been in our house for 13 years, and there is a stop because we're at the end of the road, and it goes into protected trees, and there's a barrow that lives there.

[4:26:48] There's drainage issues that are potential as well, but in the last six weeks it's been very interesting that people from the city of Raleigh have come out and decided that they need to do a lot of clearing.

[4:27:01] and be shrubbing and everything at the end of the road

[4:27:03] streb on spring-force road.

[4:27:05] So two timed and six weeks after zero times and 13 years,

[4:27:10] it does make one wonder what's going on.

[4:27:14] But that is, again, nobody is wanting this

[4:27:18] in the neighborhood, there's no compelling use

[4:27:23] or need for retail space there.

[4:27:26] To me, all this is, is a special interest guy

[4:27:28] getting special treatment from his buddy on the planning commission and making a bunch of money.

[4:27:34] He has no plan which if you want to believe that you can but why would you go to all this trouble

[4:27:40] say yeah I need to be retail but yeah I don't really know what I'm going to put there

[4:27:46] doesn't seem very believable at all. That's what I had to say. Thank you.

[4:27:49] Okay, thank you, and we'll go ahead and close the hearing.

[4:27:56] Do we have questions?

[4:27:58] Councillor Patten.

[4:28:00] Please count on me.

[4:28:02] Mr. Winsteadn?

[4:28:03] Those ones will be for you.

[4:28:06] Well, you're walking down, you know, I noted in the staff report in the engagement section

[4:28:13] from this.

[4:28:13] I attended the first neighborhood meeting, I did not, and I was not able to attend the

[4:28:17] second neighborhood meeting.

[4:28:18] But there were discussions of ways in which the kind of screws could be tightened on this case.

[4:28:24] There were some pretty precise things that folks offered that are noted in there,

[4:28:29] like hours of operations, limitations on some of the most intense uses.

[4:28:34] And I say that some are prohibited, but I think more could be done there.

[4:28:40] We saw a case earlier that limited sweepstakes.

[4:28:43] I think we've now heard drive-throughs, car wash, car dealership, some more of the more

[4:28:54] intense uses of an in-the-cx district.

[4:28:57] My feedback would be primarily that I think RX or NX would be a better based district

[4:29:03] for this site.

[4:29:04] I think this council is acting often on a well-documented housing shortage.

[4:29:09] And so bringing us something that produces more housing serves on that goal of the council and we don't have such a well-documented shortage of commercial, not to say that it doesn't exist, but it's not kind of seeping out of our pores in the same way.

[4:29:26] So I do think that a Rx or Nx space district would be more appropriate if your client's not

[4:29:32] amenable to that.

[4:29:33] I certainly think a lot more could be done to reduce the intensity of the uses.

[4:29:40] And so if I'm interested in if you think your client would be amenable to any of those,

[4:29:45] any of that feedback and if you'd be open to holding the case for two weeks.

[4:29:48] Yeah, thank you for that Councilman Pat.

[4:29:50] And I think just to walk through a few of these things, this is a case it was filed in 2025.

[4:29:55] you know what to play in the commission.

[4:30:00] I have a few of the specific ones on the gas station. The intent certainly is not to bring a traditional

[4:30:07] style gas station here. There's one just on the site next to ours here. That one's more to do with

[4:30:13] the definitions of the UDO. So gas station is not the defined use. It'd be vehicle fuel sales. One of

[4:30:20] the things that is incorporated in vehicle fuel sales is like a typical Tesla charger type.

[4:30:26] That's defined as a vehicle fuel sale and so we don't want to foreclose the possibility

[4:30:30] of having a potential mixed use building here with a potential vehicle fuel charging facility.

[4:30:36] So that one's less to do with the possibility of bringing a gas station here.

[4:30:39] I think it's unlikely given the market conditions, given the fact that there's one just next

[4:30:43] door.

[4:30:43] It's really about those definitions and certainly had a lot of that conversation through

[4:30:47] the two neighborhood meetings and a planning commission as well.

[4:30:50] On the hours of operation portion, there's a good amount of that built into these neighborhood

[4:30:54] transition provisions already.

[4:30:56] ZOMB has a few provisions related to restaurants,

[4:31:00] Atlas of Operation for Outdoor Seating.

[4:31:02] We're relying largely on what the code is already

[4:31:04] contemplated for this type of situation,

[4:31:07] where there's a mixed use district,

[4:31:09] next to a residential use district,

[4:31:10] a truly reason for that one.

[4:31:12] And then drive through, the other one,

[4:31:15] there's near my house, a VIX, the Italian restaurant

[4:31:18] that's over in city market is bringing a drive through

[4:31:20] concept we can go pick up.

[4:31:22] It's not traditional drive through,

[4:31:24] but a potential to, you know, pick up pizza, pick up Italian food there.

[4:31:27] We certainly don't want to foreclose the possibility of having that sort of

[4:31:30] tuning in. The idea is to have a suite of uses that can attract the right

[4:31:33] tenant here to serve the community. With that, again, we're happy to listen to the

[4:31:38] will of the commission. And if that requires, you know, modifying, making

[4:31:42] modifications, of course, happy to do that. We also believe this is a case that's

[4:31:45] relatively old that's gone through a lot of analysis, a good amount of work, one

[4:31:48] to making sure these conditions really were mitigating any impacts that we see.

[4:31:52] to ensure we have that compatibility with the surrounding area.

[4:31:56] Thank you.

[4:31:57] I hope that answers.

[4:31:59] Sure, it does speak to them.

[4:32:00] I wouldn't be prepared to vote in favor of this case and tell some of those modifications were made,

[4:32:07] but certainly the will of the body.

[4:32:09] And my preference would be to hold it open for two weeks or four if you need them to get those modifications made.

[4:32:16] Why don't I reopen and we can, if you want to make that motion, to just hold it up?

[4:32:20] Can I also add a question, yes, Mr. Winstead?

[4:32:25] So just tell us again, what is the plan here?

[4:32:29] Yeah, so it's largely dependent on what tenants find this site attractive.

[4:32:33] We don't have a specific site plan.

[4:32:34] We don't have a specific tenant in mind.

[4:32:37] The idea is to attract tenants with commercial mix to use to have that ability to bring the

[4:32:41] right tenant here.

[4:32:42] Okay.

[4:32:43] So it's not a specific plan.

[4:32:44] That helps.

[4:32:45] I think the concern at least for me is that the future land use is saying low-scale residential.

[4:32:49] this is R1 and so this is a big step up from that and so can we get to a more kind of call

[4:32:56] a transition to what comes next and if you could put a gas station here even though it's

[4:33:00] maybe doesn't make sense because of gas station next door and it seems like there's a lot

[4:33:04] that you could be doing to give the neighbors some confidence this is something they want

[4:33:09] right next door. So yeah I definitely would support councilmember Patton.

[4:33:13] Okay so I'm going to reopen the.

[4:33:18] Just checking if we hold it for two weeks you have to have

[4:33:21] Your new conditions in by Friday, is that enough time for you, Mr. Winston, or do you need four weeks?

[4:33:28] I think, yeah, I think we can do.

[4:33:29] You can do it, okay.

[4:33:30] So in that case, then I will move to hold this case open until the afternoon of September 1st.

[4:33:38] All in favor of that motion, aye.

[4:33:41] All opposed?

[4:33:41] That is unanimous, and thank you.

[4:33:46] All right?

[4:33:46] Next is petition annexation AX-4425, and that is Leaseville Road.

[4:33:56] Good afternoon, again, City Council members.

[4:33:59] So this annexation AX-4425 and rezoning Z-5425 are together.

[4:34:05] Just a reminder that you will need to act on the annexation before you can act on the rezoning portion.

[4:34:12] And the reason for that is that one of the parcels and consideration here is in Wake County and two of the other parcels are in Durham County and are eligible to be annexed into the City of Raleigh by agreement with Durham.

[4:34:28] So we're looking at about 15 acres in Wake County and 17 acres in Durham County.

[4:34:35] The applicant does not have an associated site plan with this annexation rezoning but is

[4:34:40] indicated apartment units, 324 apartment units on their annexation petition.

[4:34:45] And the site is outside of the standards for a full fire response.

[4:34:53] Moving on to the rezoning portion, so this site is in northwest Raleigh.

[4:34:58] Again, three parcels that are just under 32 acres that would be re-zoned from a combination

[4:35:05] of districts, including City of Raleigh, industrial, mixed use, three stories, Parkway Frontage,

[4:35:11] with airport overlay districts, and the special highway overlay districts.

[4:35:16] Durham Row Residential with one of Durham's airport overlays, and Durham Row Residential

[4:35:22] with two of Durham's airport overlays to City of Raleigh, Office Mixed Use, four stories,

[4:35:29] parking limited frontage with conditions, and Office Mixed Use, four stories with conditions.

[4:35:35] I realize there's a lot of zoning going on here, so I've got a couple slides dedicated to sort

[4:35:41] of depicting what's going on. The request is consistent overall with the 23rd of the plan,

[4:35:48] and consistent with the future lane use map and consistent with the urban form map and the planning commission recommends unanimous approval.

[4:35:58] So just so you all can see what's going on with the jurisdiction and zoning here.

[4:36:02] The purple parcel on the southeast to the right on the map is in Wake County.

[4:36:08] It has in Raleigh's ETJ and that's the one that's industrially zoned with that airport overlay.

[4:36:13] Okay, now the two parcels in the yellow with the hatching, those are both in Durham County

[4:36:19] outside of Raleigh's ETJ and both zone Durham Royal Residential with two of Durham's

[4:36:27] airport overlays, just another slide showing what that looks like.

[4:36:37] So on this slide, note the Durham and Wake County line that kind of splits this site

[4:36:45] in half. Nearby uses include moderate-scale residential to the north of the site, and

[4:36:52] the swing, racket, and paddle facility, future recreational to the southwest of the site,

[4:36:59] private open space, and low-scale residential uses to the east, and industrial uses to

[4:37:05] the south along ACC Boulevard.

[4:37:11] And here are some views of the site from Shady Grove, Lee's

[4:37:14] bill and ACC bill of art.

[4:37:19] So the applicant is proposing five zoning conditions which would require any plots

[4:37:26] to disclose noise contours, require an navigation easement, granting the RU airport authority

[4:37:33] professional right of flight over the site, and require residential dwellings to be built

[4:37:38] with noise attenuating materials.

[4:37:40] Those are three conditions that were added in response to comments by the RU airport

[4:37:46] authority. They are also proposing a block perimeter exemption in this area and to limit

[4:37:54] overall development intensities and combinations of uses on the property.

[4:38:03] So the request would

[4:38:05] allow increased height, allow additional building types on the Durham County properties and require

[4:38:11] parking limited frontage on the Wake County property.

[4:38:16] And overall it would increase entitlement

[4:38:18] for residential and office uses, it would allow a similar amount of retail and significantly

[4:38:24] reduce industrial entitlement.

[4:38:30] So just to recap, consistency, the request is consistent with the COMP plan and consistent

[4:38:35] overall with the future land use map, specifically the office research and development and business

[4:38:40] and commercial services categories, and is consistent with the urban format and consistent

[4:38:47] In addition, policies are related to compact development, location of growth, annexation

[4:38:54] agreements, development agreements, mitigating the impacts of commercial development, the scale

[4:39:01] of commercial uses, airport noise, housing variety, opportunity and choice,

[4:39:08] and inconsistent

[4:39:09] policies are related to the future lane use, conditional use, district consistency related

[4:39:15] related to that block permanent exemption, infrastructure and response time standards,

[4:39:21] and transportation policy is related to connectivity and gaps as well as the airport overlay.

[4:39:27] And since this request is inconsistent with the future lane use map, it approval would

[4:39:32] result in an amendment from business conversion services and office and research and development

[4:39:38] to office and residential mixed use.

[4:39:43] and planning commission recommends approval, noting the request would add to the housing

[4:39:47] supply, allow more building types, and allow for residential in an area anticipated for

[4:39:51] Raleigh's future growth. Please let me know if you have any questions before you open the

[4:39:55] public hearing. Questions? Yes, Councillor Jones.

[4:40:00] I have a few. Since we're on the annexation, I want to pull up the fiscal impact report

[4:40:06] because it's something that I look at and I'm really confused by this one because it goes

[4:40:09] up really high for a few years and then it dramatically goes down to negative

[4:40:14] 202,000 by year 10 and I just like to understand that better and see if you can

[4:40:20] help me make sense of that chart. Yes, I would call my colleagues in finance to

[4:40:25] speak to the financial impact analysis.

[4:40:32] Allison Bradshaw with Finance, good

[4:40:33] afternoon. Yeah, this is an interesting one because it's 31 acres. There's the

[4:40:39] annexation piece and then there's the rezoning. So when we do the fiscal impact, we don't do it on the rezoning, right?

[4:40:46] There's not a fiscal impact on the rezoning. So when you look at what is being considered on those 31 acres, you know,

[4:40:54] it's a big swat of land and we apply the cost on a per-acre basis. And so a lot of costs get mounted on

[4:41:02] and the fact that it's a multifamily home,

[4:41:06] I'm sorry multifamily complex,

[4:41:09] those typically have a lower assessed value

[4:41:12] than like single family homes.

[4:41:14] So it's really just a math,

[4:41:16] but it's predominantly because it's on such a large acre.

[4:41:20] But why does it go up to upwards of 839,000

[4:41:24] to begin with and then drastically?

[4:41:26] Like why does it go up at all that high?

[4:41:28] I think it's the timing of when, sorry, let me pull this up.

[4:41:33] I don't know if I can pull it up on the screen.

[4:41:47] Yes.

[4:41:48] I think early on the cost get applied in the out years after the build out has happened.

[4:41:55] So in those beginning years, if you look, we're collecting the revenue from it being built out

[4:42:00] and then the cost get applied after the build out occurs.

[4:42:04] So the costs don't actually start in this example till year three, based on the build-out schedule that was provided.

[4:42:12] And so then those cost mount, and again, because it's almost 32 acres, that's a lot of costs that's being allocated.

[4:42:20] Now we know with the rezoning as a part of this, that's going to have commercial and all of that, and that's not included in this assessment.

[4:42:29] Okay.

[4:42:29] Okay, thank you for that.

[4:42:32] My next question is for fire, not sure if we have something from the area.

[4:42:39] Right here in the backup, we see that five out of six of the fire stations are out

[4:42:43] of NFPA standards and I was wondering if the firemaster plan addresses any of these concerns

[4:42:48] in this area of town because I know in exclations in this area we are consistently fighting

[4:42:53] the times are not adequate and there are always in the backup material here saying we don't

[4:42:59] have enough.

[4:43:00] Good afternoon, Herbert Griffin, our fire chief.

[4:43:02] And Liza Eraday is not addressed in the firemaster plan.

[4:43:09] Thank you, thank you.

[4:43:10] And then my next question is for track transportation.

[4:43:16] We saw in there the block perimeter condition.

[4:43:23] And I had spoken with, we met before, did this address the concerns that we discussed on

[4:43:29] our meeting prior because I'm getting a little bit confused.

[4:43:31] I know we talked about block perimeter, but the way that I read it, and please forgive

[4:43:36] me if I'm wrong, is that this could be addressed in after the approval phase and that there

[4:43:42] could be eligible for an exemption, but this would be asking them to make that decision

[4:43:47] now before you guys had the time to look at the site plans since you don't have it at this

[4:43:52] moment.

[4:43:53] Does this condition address that concern?

[4:43:56] So, good evening, everyone.

[4:43:58] Carter, over some with transportation.

[4:44:00] This condition is the same as before we had that conversation.

[4:44:05] It is a little confusing to read.

[4:44:07] It doesn't look the same as some of the other block perimeter conditions

[4:44:11] we've seen before.

[4:44:13] Effectively, what it is saying is once the TW Alexander extension is built,

[4:44:19] this is what the block will look like north of it,

[4:44:22] and this is what the block will look like south of it.

[4:44:24] And so it establishes those standards why we're calling it an exemption is because those new values are basically just outlining what the what the block already is.

[4:44:38] So in effect that takes away our ability to apply any block perimeter standards at the site plan base.

[4:44:48] So this is an area where the street grid is underdeveloped, we have these large blocks with only a few rows.

[4:45:00] And so our tools to combat that are going to be the street plan and block perimeter. So there's a street plan segment on this site, but the condition would really take away that second tool from us. Right. And the TW Alexander extension that these would these words would be connecting to. Is that currently or has plans to be funded? Is that a funded project, even though it's in the plans? No, ma'am. There are no.

[4:45:28] So, funds or designs associated with that right now, it's just a long-term line on the map that would likely be developed piece by piece's development comes through.

[4:45:43] So, with developments like this, making that final connection.

[4:45:48] Okay, thank you so much.

[4:45:49] Can I have a question while we're there.

[4:45:53] So if this is dependent upon Alexander being built, what's in place in Tillman, like what

[4:46:06] are the requirements until Alexander, because Alexander's probably ten years out waiting

[4:46:12] on Campo.

[4:46:13] Right.

[4:46:14] Yes.

[4:46:15] So.

[4:46:18] How we would look at this, I'll kind of draw out.

[4:46:22] Well, what we, what the condition says, so it says north of TW Alexander will be 7,000

[4:46:30] feet.

[4:46:30] That's this triangle right here.

[4:46:33] And so, and then south of that, it says it will be 40,000 feet.

[4:46:39] I'm not going to draw that because it's really funky looking.

[4:46:42] And I would just say that there's not a block there, but absent of this TW Alexander connection,

[4:46:50] how we would look at this is, so I'm really looking at two different parts of the site.

[4:47:02] We have this floodway going through.

[4:47:05] Normally we wouldn't make calls on exemptions before site plan happens, but this really

[4:47:11] takes up a large portion of the site, so that's going to be kind of dead any crosses right

[4:47:18] there.

[4:47:18] So really we're looking right here, and so what the condition language establishes is it's a south of this future connection, it shall be 40,000 square feet.

[4:47:31] We wouldn't be able to require a road like this because that would create two new blocks south of TW Alexander.

[4:47:40] Does that make sense?

[4:47:42] Yeah, it does.

[4:47:44] So basically, if what I'm understanding is correctly is without TW Alexander, you wouldn't

[4:47:50] require that public street.

[4:47:56] Well, I think the condition it references TW Alexander, but it's not contingent upon

[4:48:02] whether it's built or not.

[4:48:04] Okay.

[4:48:04] It just says north and south of the extension.

[4:48:17] Open the hearing for the annexation, I know we've got zoning two, so but I'll take them

[4:48:23] one at a time.

[4:48:25] And I have Molly Stewart, Rob Coddell, Daniel Whiteley, Brandy Vega, Frank Taddle, and

[4:48:31] Ryan L. Stevenson.

[4:48:45] Thank you.

[4:48:46] Good afternoon, Molly Stewart, Morningstar Law Group.

[4:48:48] You just heard the team that I have with me today, Frank Taddell from the Oak Creek Residential,

[4:48:54] Brandy Vega and Rob Coddell from Withers Ravenel on the design side, as well as Brian L.

[4:48:59] Stevenson of DRMP, our traffic engineer, in case you have any questions for them.

[4:49:03] I do have two separate presentations today and for the annexation piece.

[4:49:07] I'll focus on some context for the area.

[4:49:10] Block perimeter in particular, I will be focusing on during the second presentation.

[4:49:15] But for some background, the site is there in the bottom of your screen in blue.

[4:49:20] And the important pieces on the screen are up in the top left.

[4:49:24] That's our airport on the other side of 540.

[4:49:26] In between the site and the airport, you see the ACC Boulevard industrial park, mostly

[4:49:32] we're housing and distribution.

[4:49:33] You also see the swing racket and paddle site immediately adjacent to the site as well

[4:49:38] as the proposed TW Alexander drive extension coming across the site.

[4:49:42] And then of course at the top of your screen we have Briar Creek.

[4:49:47] To zoom out even further, everything you see highlighted in red is urbanized area.

[4:49:52] So although the site is on the edge of Raleigh, it is not on the edge of urbanized area.

[4:49:56] and although it may look like there's sort of a rural center there to the

[4:50:02] donut, let's take a closer look at that. Right across the street is page farms

[4:50:07] and that is an agritourism use with the strawberries and the pumpkins. Pump

[4:50:12] and patch there immediately to the site to the south of the site is swing

[4:50:16] racket and paddle. I know you're very familiar with that site as well and then to

[4:50:21] to the north, we have the Mulberry Park townhome community.

[4:50:26] To the southeast, that's that ACC Boulevard industrial park.

[4:50:33] So to simplify, as you saw, there are many, many layers and moving parts going on.

[4:50:37] But if we just look at use, the big purple and yellow chunks here are that existing zoning.

[4:50:42] So we have on the eastern portion the industrial mixed use zoning, and in fact ACC Boulevard

[4:50:48] stubs into that piece of the site, so really intended to continue that industrial park there.

[4:50:53] with the yellow being the Durham County rural residential.

[4:50:57] So large lot estate homes in that area

[4:51:00] would be what would qualify under current zoning

[4:51:02] in both of those contexts.

[4:51:05] Now, as swing develops, I understand there was some concern

[4:51:08] about having especially that industrial use extended

[4:51:12] and looking really for residents

[4:51:14] to live nearby and to support swing.

[4:51:18] And if we zoom out even further,

[4:51:19] we see a city growth center in this part of town.

[4:51:21] I put the circle there so you can see where the site is.

[4:51:25] There's a little chunk out of it where it crosses over in Durham County, but a portion

[4:51:29] of the site is in that city growth center, which generally calls for infill development

[4:51:34] in that area, which is the proposal being brought to you today for that apartment community

[4:51:41] that you heard.

[4:51:41] Staff describe, and as I mentioned, with the idea that not only does the support swing, but

[4:51:47] swing supports this residential use as well so providing that opportunity for residents

[4:51:51] to live immediately adjacent to swing and walkable to swing.

[4:51:55] Thank you.

[4:51:57] Okay.

[4:51:59] Any questions?

[4:52:02] Let's do it.

[4:52:04] Okay.

[4:52:05] We will go ahead and we have one person signed up in opposition.

[4:52:09] Tammy Spellman?

[4:52:19] Good afternoon.

[4:52:21] Appreciate it.

[4:52:22] You may opportunity to talk about the community opposition to this rezoning area.

[4:52:26] I'm going to change my slides here a little bit and start at the be ending.

[4:52:31] As was just mentioned, talking about this kind of looking like it's in the middle of

[4:52:35] nowhere and it actually is in the middle of nowhere.

[4:52:39] This is coming from ACC Boulevard, coming from Briar Creek.

[4:52:43] You can see that it is not residential, it is not people friendly.

[4:52:48] This is a left hand turn on the Mount Herman Road, which then turns into Shady Grove Road

[4:52:52] once it becomes Durham County.

[4:52:54] There's all industrial to the right, it's all single family.

[4:52:59] We just feel a four-story apartment complex is completely out of the landscape, completely inconsistent with this area.

[4:53:06] It's a very narrow road, it's very unsafe for walking, for jogging, for biking, for anything other than, as mentioned, maybe walking to swing.

[4:53:17] That's the only thing you've got other than a car.

[4:53:19] and the one area that we also have a DOT salt barn here and where the area is is this area here,

[4:53:30] which is where you can see the cell tower. We have been informed that the cell tower will remain,

[4:53:35] so where you see all these wonderful mature trees, you will now see a four-story apartment complex.

[4:53:41] And as mentioned right across the road from this is our wonderful community farm of page farms.

[4:53:47] and so they wake up every morning with the sun rises, farmers do look out and they've got a

[4:53:52] four-story apartment complex across from them. We just feel that's very inconsistent. So coming back up,

[4:54:00] talking about it's not walkable. So sometimes when you think of apartments, you think about the

[4:54:06] ability to get places, the closest bus stop is a mile and a half, mile 0.2 away, 25-minute walk,

[4:54:13] And as I just showed you, it's not a safe walk, you can't walk that.

[4:54:17] So this is 100% car dependent.

[4:54:21] And with that, while also mentioning that within two and a half miles, there's already

[4:54:25] over 10 apartment complexes and they are very person friendly.

[4:54:29] They are within walking distance to Breyer Creek.

[4:54:32] They are within walking distance to the bus lines.

[4:54:35] So this area up here in the red X just feels like it's just, it's not an expansion of the

[4:54:42] city of Raleigh, it's plopped. I mean, it's just stuck there. It's not consistent in any way.

[4:54:50] One of the biggest concerns of the local area is traffic concerns, and I know you've talked a

[4:54:55] little bit. You asked some questions on DOT. What we've heard from the developers, the Reprimary,

[4:55:02] development for this first phase is for those 10 acres that are on the Durham County side.

[4:55:11] And so

[4:55:12] by 95 cars. You're taking a 10-acre residential that has one home on a, with two, maybe three

[4:55:19] cars, and you're going to build a 324-4-storey unit apartment complex on it. So, even conservative

[4:55:27] math, you're adding 400 vehicle trips during peak hours. And this road just cannot handle it.

[4:55:34] There definitely has to be a traffic impact study. A lot of this is going to feed into, into

[4:55:40] to Briar Creek, trying to go left to get on to 540, which if you've ever tried to travel

[4:55:45] that, it's ridiculous. There is some, you know, work in the process. You guys mentioned

[4:55:53] TW Alexander. I've lived in the area for 20 years. I have neighbors who've lived there

[4:55:58] for 30 years. TW Alexander has been talked about that entire time. So TW Alexander is not

[4:56:06] happening anytime soon to support this complex. It's even on the NCDOT 2026-2027-STIP.

[4:56:18] It's not even mentioned as being on the slate for consideration of future developments

[4:56:23] asking for input. Waterway concerns, as they mentioned,

[4:56:28] Sycamore Creek does flow through that area. They have talked about that. They will not

[4:56:32] across Sycamore Creek, what we, on the other side of Lee'sville Road in Darling Street,

[4:56:38] Sycamore Road are also concerned about is the little creek that nobody's talking about.

[4:56:43] We just had that micro-burst in the Lee'sville area, that flooded.

[4:56:47] It has flooded five, six times in the years I've lived there.

[4:56:50] The infrastructure of the roads does not support this additional travel.

[4:56:57] You also heard from the fire departments, so I just mentioned it here quickly.

[4:57:01] Another thing is two, four stories requires a ladder truck.

[4:57:04] There is no ladder truck.

[4:57:06] So that's great.

[4:57:07] You're going to put all this sprinkler system in and everything, but hey, if it's my parent

[4:57:12] or my sibling on that fourth floor waiting for a fire truck to get there to rescue me,

[4:57:17] I'm coming after somebody.

[4:57:20] There's also all of the air traffic concerns about this changing the overlay of the airports.

[4:57:26] I live in the area, I hear the planes.

[4:57:28] I own a home.

[4:57:28] I had to sign a document that said I understand them in the noise contour.

[4:57:35] I don't know that renters have to do that.

[4:57:37] So when renters come in and you're living on the floor floor, it doesn't matter.

[4:57:41] You can put all the soundproofing you want in.

[4:57:43] You're going to hear those airplanes.

[4:57:45] And just showing I've looked at the flight tracker Casper.

[4:57:49] RTU flights go out as early as 5.15 in the morning.

[4:57:53] The later ones UPS FedEx can depart as late as 10, 30, 11 o'clock.

[4:57:58] they fly right over this area. I went through like an entire morning, an entire

[4:58:04] evening, grab screen shots. I have about 60 of them, but this is just an

[4:58:09] example of showing four different flights two in the evening, two in the

[4:58:12] mornings where they're flying right over this location of four story

[4:58:16] apartments. I'm in a two-story home. I can't imagine two more stories how loud

[4:58:21] these are and also being almost a mile closer. So and if you can see through my

[4:58:27] My blue lines here, that is on looking at this Casper, the majority of the flight patterns,

[4:58:32] which go over all industrial, go over swing projected, which is commercial.

[4:58:37] The first residential is this little house up here, which is this plot of land.

[4:58:43] Mulberry Park residents have also complained about the inability to turn out in the morning.

[4:58:49] They've added at Mount Hermann and Liesville Road, they've added turn lanes on Liesville Road,

[4:58:55] proposed turn lanes on Mount Hermann or Shady Grove at that point, but it still backs up.

[4:59:01] The traffic at the peak hours is just crazy.

[4:59:05] So it is the recommendation of the citizens in that area, the community to please take

[4:59:13] consideration of all of these factors in.

[4:59:15] It just doesn't fit, doesn't mean it can't be someday, but now's not the time.

[4:59:22] Thank you.

[4:59:25] All right.

[4:59:26] Any questions?

[4:59:27] Should I close the hearing?

[4:59:32] Yeah, so I think, for me, there have been, there's just a lot of concerns.

[4:59:38] You've got the physical impact which I can't explain and I understand that the rezoning

[4:59:42] isn't incorporated in that, but it's hard right now looking at that, making that decision,

[4:59:47] knowing that it's going to be such a steep drop off, hopefully it gets factored in, but

[4:59:51] I don't know how to explain that to residents at the moment.

[4:59:53] So that's a concern for me, fire concerns, knowing that we've had this fire.

[5:00:00] I do not have anything for this area incorporated in there. Also concerns me with the level of development in this area, and then traffic is my biggest concern. I do appreciate the stoplight that has been added where that stop sign that forway stop was, but that's not going to be enough for the level of intensity for me in this area. I think with all of those concerns, I know that already you did, they are typically against because of those concerns.

[5:00:29] I do appreciate incorporating those conditions that they asked, so we did satisfy R.D.U.

[5:00:36] However, it didn't, it can't for me get over that hump of all the other concerns that

[5:00:41] have been addressed.

[5:00:42] So for me, I'm just having some struggle, but definitely open for a conversation to hear

[5:00:49] if anyone else has any other thoughts.

[5:00:53] Yes.

[5:00:54] Yeah.

[5:00:54] I'm just, I don't know if this is Molly, if you have slides or if staff can explain this

[5:01:00] to me again, I'm still very confused about the block perimeter thing.

[5:01:03] And this is something I pay a lot of close attention to in my own district, which has a lot

[5:01:07] of these huge blocks uncapitable of art, and like filling in the grid is like a high priority

[5:01:12] for me for emergency service delivery, emergency evacuation.

[5:01:16] Yeah, I got it.

[5:01:18] Yeah.

[5:01:19] Someone want to take a while.

[5:01:20] I'm sorry.

[5:01:21] Can you repeat your question about block perimeter?

[5:01:23] Just like what is the condition doing and what would be produced in the absence of the condition like what would be produced under normal circumstances?

[5:01:32] I'll defer to my transportation colleagues

[5:01:36] Good afternoon Daniel King with transportation. I

[5:01:40] Manage our review group. So I'm happy to talk about how we would look at this from a site review stay-in-point

[5:01:45] The comp plan as Carter mentioned is one tool that we use for getting street connectivity and block remitors the other

[5:01:53] which happens at the site planning phase during development review.

[5:01:57] This condition would take that tool away from us.

[5:01:59] We would just not have that.

[5:02:02] So if this condition were approved,

[5:02:05] the only thing we would get here is the comp plan streets.

[5:02:09] Okay, so like internal street stubs,

[5:02:13] they're basically not, they're saying they're not going to do any of those.

[5:02:16] We don't know what they would propose in that case,

[5:02:19] but we would not be able to require anything with

[5:02:22] with this exemption because it would exempt it completely from block perimeter.

[5:02:26] And at this phase, it's very early to determine what

[5:02:29] by-rate exemptions might exist on the site anyway.

[5:02:34] So, do you have any sense of, like, how much, like,

[5:02:38] internal connectivity would be produced on?

[5:02:43] I don't know right offhand.

[5:02:45] I know that the swing site is proposing an extension of a cul-de-sac

[5:02:49] back to gain access to the landlock parcel that's behind their site.

[5:02:55] There could be connectivity from that back to the TWA Alexander extension.

[5:03:00] That could be beneficial to the to the grid.

[5:03:03] Okay.

[5:03:03] Thank you.

[5:03:07] Any other questions?

[5:03:09] So I have a question for our attorney, our planning directors.

[5:03:14] If the applicant decided just from conversation if they wanted to remove that

[5:03:20] condition as far as a block parameter, what does that look like?

[5:03:28] I

[5:03:30] see Pat's coming.

[5:03:40] Good afternoon, Pat.

[5:03:41] I'm playing in development director.

[5:03:43] The criteria is that if the changing condition makes it more restrictive, it can just

[5:03:51] proceed forward with the vote.

[5:03:53] So they could remove that condition to modify that condition and have it come back to you all.

[5:03:58] Anybody

[5:04:10] have a motion or additional questions?

[5:04:26] Yeah, I think if Councillor or Mayor Purge, I'm Harrison as asked if we can hear the

[5:04:31] rezoning so that we can think of it all together instead of making a motion on it now and hear

[5:04:38] the rezoning app.

[5:04:40] Okay.

[5:04:41] So we just hold it, just hold it.

[5:04:45] I think we have two presentations, right?

[5:04:48] Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, let me hold this one open and then let's talk about Z5425.

[5:05:00] And do we want staff to come up back? Do you have different things to say or have you completed your?

[5:05:06] No, the presentation I gave was a joint for the annexation and the rezoning.

[5:05:10] Okay. So then we will, I will open the hearing and invite Ms. Stewart to come back up.

[5:05:16] Thank you. So we've seen previously that this is an infill site in an urbanized area in a location

[5:05:24] that's contemplated for development. And we've seen that the current zoning on the site cannot

[5:05:30] support the swing use and can be perhaps a detriment to that use in the city's investment in that use as

[5:05:35] well. We've heard the concerns of our neighbors, particularly there in the ETJ nearby. And I would

[5:05:43] like to dive a little bit deeper on the question of the block perimeter. The blue line on your

[5:05:47] screen represents the current city block that exists in the area.

[5:05:52] And we could cross this site with new streets, and it wouldn't meaningfully reduce that block

[5:05:56] size.

[5:05:58] Let's give a head here to show that TW Alexander connection.

[5:06:02] The portion of the TW Alexander connection on the site would be dedicated and likely funded

[5:06:09] rather than constructed, but at least funded moving that project forward and actually pushing

[5:06:14] that ahead, really contributing to that critical connection.

[5:06:18] I believe I didn't see that in the fiscal impact statement, so I believe that's another

[5:06:22] big value that is contributed on this site.

[5:06:26] But we have heard the feedback from our transportation staff that in addition to that requirement,

[5:06:32] it would be helpful to leave the block perimeter requirements in place, and this image was produced

[5:06:37] by staff.

[5:06:38] As a suggestion for what might be required at site plan, it can't be promised, but this

[5:06:43] This isn't a suggestion of what it might look like.

[5:06:45] And so you see those two new north-south streets in red.

[5:06:49] And for this purpose, we can see that even, let's assume that TW Alexander gets completed

[5:06:55] so that those streets actually do connect to it, because they wouldn't on just this site.

[5:07:00] So this isn't just another view of that.

[5:07:02] So for context, you already heard that there wouldn't be a new street that would connect

[5:07:08] in the east-west direction.

[5:07:09] and if you look to the north of the TWL Exander

[5:07:12] MOUCH connection there, you see the Mulberry Park Town

[5:07:15] home community that is developed with private streets only.

[5:07:19] So that is a complete block to extending the grid

[5:07:21] in that direction.

[5:07:22] That would not connect here and if you look to the south,

[5:07:26] swing hasn't approved site plan with no new public streets

[5:07:29] that would connect any further.

[5:07:30] So between the creek and those two complete blocks,

[5:07:34] you would never extend a grid in this area.

[5:07:37] it would simply be these new blocks created on the site.

[5:07:40] Now, the site itself, of course, would have its own internal circulation requirements,

[5:07:43] would have all the access that it needs, these residents would already be able to walk to swing.

[5:07:49] And in fact, if we did put that street in place, you'd be walking past that cell tower

[5:07:54] that exists and is contemplated to remain.

[5:07:59] So the benefit of allowing this site to develop is to actually push forward the one piece of this

[5:08:05] that would start to provide a real connection in this area and start to build out that

[5:08:09] comp plan grid that starts to create the important east-west connections on the site.

[5:08:14] Otherwise, just to go back to this view, we'd be looking at a single apartment community

[5:08:20] tasked with creating three new public streets, the full section of the full public streets,

[5:08:26] turning this site into effectively a public infrastructure project to be shoulder by the

[5:08:31] residents of this apartment community.

[5:08:33] That's in addition to the normal sort of street frontage improvements that would be required

[5:08:37] on any site.

[5:08:39] This would not move forward.

[5:08:40] This would simply reduce the number of housing units.

[5:08:43] We go back to where we were with our large lot, estate homes and our mixed use industrial

[5:08:48] use.

[5:08:49] So that is why we feel not only is there not public benefit to this, but in fact there's

[5:08:55] a real detriment here.

[5:08:56] There's a loss.

[5:08:56] There's a loss of pushing forward the TWL Exander connection and there's a loss of the proposed

[5:09:01] housing here.

[5:09:08] So just as a reminder of sort of what is around this site, we think that,

[5:09:12] you know, putting the new residents, there we go, putting the new residents immediately adjacent

[5:09:18] to site to the swing site, not only benefits swing and provides them with a baseline of activity

[5:09:23] for that use to sort of give that use momentum, but also provides a place in the city where residents

[5:09:29] can live immediately adjacent to swing and to use it frequently for the social aspects and its

[5:09:35] health and activity. All of that. So we think this is the combination that makes sense in this area rather than that industrial probably sell storage or the large lot of state uses in this area.

[5:09:49] It's hard to understand why I would want to see that next to swing and next to the town home units.

[5:09:55] So just to step back and look at the contributions being made to the city here, it's not just those taxes. That's one piece of it.

[5:10:01] But also pushing forward that section of TWL Exander Drive, removal of an actual potential

[5:10:08] detriment to the swing use and replacing it with something that actually reinforces and

[5:10:12] supports swing as well as providing those new 325-ish residential units on this site.

[5:10:19] So that is sort of our deep dive on block perimeter, happy to talk more about that.

[5:10:23] I do think we have another speaker as well.

[5:10:26] Yeah, I think we had Jim Truman, John Smoot and Laura Way all with the remaining three minutes.

[5:10:36] I can talk fast.

[5:10:38] Jim Truman here to remind you guys that there are people that think we need new housing

[5:10:43] in our city, even at the edge of the city, especially in where we connect between Raleigh and Durham.

[5:10:49] There are Yanby's coming to Durham City Council to say this.

[5:10:51] There are Yanby's coming to Raleigh City Council to say this.

[5:10:54] This is a place where we need more housing.

[5:10:56] It's already surrounded by town homes and apartments.

[5:10:59] It's a little bit silly to say in one sentence

[5:11:01] that it's too rural for apartments,

[5:11:03] and then in the next sentence,

[5:11:04] say there's 10 apartments within two miles as we heard today.

[5:11:07] And it's something that we hear far too often

[5:11:10] because there are a lot of reasons to come up

[5:11:12] to be against housing.

[5:11:13] And I'm just here to remind you

[5:11:15] that there's one really good reason

[5:11:16] to be for projects like this,

[5:11:18] and that's that we need more housing

[5:11:20] and we need more apartments,

[5:11:22] especially in our mixed use nodes.

[5:11:23] Hello,

[5:11:28] my name is Jack Smooth. I am a renter in my living department at one of four Dartmouth

[5:11:33] Road. And to put it bluntly, we are in the midst of a housing crisis. And more specifically,

[5:11:39] we have a shortage of apartment rental housing. And every year, more and more people move to

[5:11:45] Raleigh, and I put more stress on our existing housing supply. If this project were approved,

[5:11:50] you would have more supply to sort of bite into that growing demand. So please approve

[5:11:57] this project so that my rent can stay a little bit more reasonable. Thank you very much.

[5:12:04] That concludes the speakers. I will go ahead close this hearing.

[5:12:15] I hear the, I am excited, I do want more housing.

[5:12:19] I promise that that is not the reason this is the densest area in Raleigh.

[5:12:23] We have a lot of things happening in this area.

[5:12:26] There's also a lot of traffic congestion up there for our Creek Parkway.

[5:12:29] It's a very complicated and adding a ton of units in this space,

[5:12:34] knowing that T.W. Alexander is not confirmed, is not funded.

[5:12:38] As I'm sitting at this table, not knowing those dates,

[5:12:41] it feels irresponsible to say we need to have sustainability,

[5:12:45] you know, have sustainable infrastructure ready to go when I know right now.

[5:12:48] There isn't sustainable infrastructure.

[5:12:49] I don't have fire, we just heard from the fire chief,

[5:12:53] that there's not plans for that.

[5:12:55] I think there are concerns that as we bring new people into the area,

[5:12:58] we want them to know that we thought of all this beforehand.

[5:13:00] And so for me, this case is just not there yet for me.

[5:13:08] I think that there's, I've noted them and I won't be to dead horse on all the concerns

[5:13:12] that I do have with the case.

[5:13:13] So for me, this is not something that I can get to approve.

[5:13:19] Again, if there's anybody on council that has any difference of opinion, would like to

[5:13:23] share, please go ahead.

[5:13:24] But when the moment is ready, I will move to deny.

[5:13:29] I was going to support the case any annexation.

[5:13:32] I looked very carefully at the Plan Commission report, which was unanimous.

[5:13:37] I agree that I always look very carefully at the conference plan and looking at trends

[5:13:45] over time about when we look very carefully at whether it warrants a change in land use.

[5:13:52] That is why I listened very carefully to the testimony, read the staff report, here

[5:13:57] what the Plank Commission has to say, and this certainly is an area that meets a lot

[5:14:02] of the conference of Plank consistency, and so on the time comes I'll be making a motion

[5:14:06] on both the annexation and on the resumption.

[5:14:09] I'm going to go ahead and close the annexation since we left that open just so that we can

[5:14:14] have a debate and then make motions if we so choose.

[5:14:17] Yep.

[5:14:18] Yeah.

[5:14:18] I mean, I'll just say I am a little bit split on this case.

[5:14:21] I think the density being near swing is beneficial.

[5:14:26] I am concerned about the fire issues

[5:14:29] and then the fiscal analysis.

[5:14:31] So those are probably what give me pause.

[5:14:32] I'm glad to understand better the road issue.

[5:14:35] I think I feel better about that.

[5:14:38] But I guess if I had my preference,

[5:14:40] I would see a little bit more work on how we're addressing fire

[5:14:44] concerns.

[5:14:45] and I don't know how to improve the fiscal picture on this.

[5:14:49] I'll just go back to the fiscal picture.

[5:14:52] It just makes zero sense to me at all.

[5:14:53] This is an apartment building next to a bunch of apartment buildings.

[5:15:00] Tax space. I'm not sure. If you want to revisit that, but that just makes zero sense.

[5:15:12] Yeah, but I mean, if you've already got water sewer there, right?

[5:15:18] They're not looking at from what I heard. They don't look at the zoning case and analysis. So that's why the number comes out that was maybe something that we look we asked to have to look into. Well, and I will say I am also for this case. So I am also willing to

[5:15:37] And I support the motion when the time comes for both annexation and zoning.

[5:15:43] My only final thoughts are just that the block perimeter thing is like, I can't overcome it.

[5:15:49] I've been really consistent about it in cases in my district.

[5:15:51] And there are parts of our city where it takes you a mile to go around the block.

[5:15:56] And while I understand the explanation for the applicant, it just is not consistent with my passfodes and not consistent with my, I don't want to take a tool out of the toolbox that will help us get a better grid.

[5:16:14] I

[5:16:16] move that we adopt the annexation A4425.

[5:16:24] All in favor of that motion, aye.

[5:16:27] All opposed.

[5:16:29] Okay.

[5:16:30] I move to.

[5:16:31] I'm sorry.

[5:16:32] I move to adopt the proposed consistency statement dated August 18, 2026.

[5:16:37] Contain the agenda materials and to approve the rezoning amendment with the adoption of the effective date described in the agenda.

[5:16:42] under recommended. Action, this approval is also named

[5:16:46] Amendment of Future. Lannus mapped to the extent described

[5:16:49] in the Adolfing Consistency Statement.

[5:16:52] All in favor of that motion, aye.

[5:16:54] Aye.

[5:16:55] All opposed.

[5:16:57] So that's six, two, on both votes.

[5:17:03] Okay, thank you, all.

[5:17:06] Moving on, we are now at ZO826, which is on Rock, Corey Road.

[5:17:12] Yes, Hannah Racco, again planning and development.

[5:17:17] The 826 is a request to rezone two properties on Rockquay Road that are together just about

[5:17:24] one and a half acres from R4 to neighborhood mix use three stories, parking limited conditional

[5:17:30] use.

[5:17:31] This is located on the north east side of Rockquay Road just near the intersection with

[5:17:37] Barwell Road and the Barwell Road Community Center in school.

[5:17:41] There are three proposed zoning conditions, one that would prohibit detention center

[5:17:46] of jail in prison and vehicle fuel sales, and then the other conditions would prohibit

[5:17:51] the tobacco shops and internet electronic sweepstakes.

[5:17:58] The change here to a mixed use district would add the possibility of non-residential land

[5:18:05] and uses commercial land uses and would add apartment building type townhouse, additional

[5:18:11] town homes and would increase the maximum number of units that could be built on the site.

[5:18:17] The site is designated moderate scale residential on the future land use map.

[5:18:22] The request is inconsistent with that designation, but it is consistent with the urban format designation

[5:18:27] and consistent with the plan overall.

[5:18:28] I can see some consistent policies here and here, and then the inconsistent policies for

[5:18:36] this one in addition to the future land use map designation pertain to the existing

[5:18:42] fire service considerations in the area.

[5:18:47] If approved, approval would be a de facto amendment to the future land use map from moderate

[5:18:58] scale residential to neighborhood mixed use and the Planning Commission recommended approval

[5:19:04] 6 to 1 and the opposing commission in opposition noted the concern about number of developments

[5:19:13] in the area impacts to traffic and existing commercial uses that already exist in the area.

[5:19:22] So without happy to answer any questions, you have questions?

[5:19:26] questions.

[5:19:26] I have a question for staff transportation.

[5:19:31] Can you speak to any possible improvements that would need to be made on our cry road?

[5:19:42] Barbara Godwin with transportation, so similar to the previous discussion we had about an

[5:19:47] earlier case, sidewalk bike facilities behind the curb would be required along the site's

[5:19:54] frontage with either a subdivision or a tier 3 site plan for this location.

[5:19:58] and that would be a long rut quarry as well as dedicated right of way for future updates

[5:20:03] to rut quarry road to that four lane avenue section.

[5:20:07] Okay, so basically either they can go ahead and widen the road or they can pay for us

[5:20:15] put money set aside and payment for us to do it at a later date if we win the city does it.

[5:20:21] Yes, that's correct.

[5:20:22] Okay, thank you.

[5:20:23] All

[5:20:26] right. I can go ahead and open up the hearing and we have Hunter Winstead signed

[5:20:34] up.

[5:20:51] Somebody's pulling up. I don't know who it is.

[5:20:55] Well, that's coming up. Good afternoon.

[5:20:56] I'm new again. Mayor Cal, Councilmember Hunter Winstead. I'm half of the applicant on this

[5:21:01] case of the intersection of Barbell Road and Brock Corey Road. I think it'll be helpful

[5:21:04] to have the illustration at the PowerPoint. So I'll just give it a second to come up. I

[5:21:18] think

[5:21:18] get started without it.

[5:21:21] Others, similar to the first case, really three main reasons we believe this case is

[5:21:25] reasonable in the public interest.

[5:21:27] One consistent with the comprehensive plan and more particularly consistent with the

[5:21:31] urban format.

[5:21:32] Number two, this case really is a stewardship of the city's investment, particularly in

[5:21:37] the capital improvement project happening on Barwell Road and the number three, this is

[5:21:43] the case that's compatible with the surrounding area.

[5:21:47] Without shown illustration, that slide actually helps show it a little bit.

[5:21:51] Rotkkoi Road is designated as a Trans-Emphasis Corridor on the Urban Formap.

[5:21:57] This case will be bringing a neighborhood mixed use designation, which there have been

[5:22:01] Formap.

[5:22:02] There are several policies that speak about bringing that sort of commercial, higher density,

[5:22:07] along Trans-Emphasis Corridors, this is a site that's currently zoned.

[5:22:10] Our four, that lower density current zoning doesn't really make sense on Trans-Emphasis

[5:22:15] corridors, can there are several policies that speak to that? That's reason number one

[5:22:19] comprehensive plan, consistency, there it is. Thank you. There's that urban format showing

[5:22:27] the transit emphasis corridor. Just a little bit of the verbiage from the comprehensive

[5:22:31] plan there on the bottom left. Reason number two, the stewardship of city investments.

[5:22:35] This is showing the street plan, the existing zoning. And really what this case is doing

[5:22:39] is pulling this trend that was set back here in 2006 so on the far left that's a site that was

[5:22:45] zoned for neighborhood mixed use parking limited frontage back in 2006 this one was 2012 this one's

[5:22:51] 2023 ours is 2026 the idea is pulling this neighborhood mixed use trend with that parking limited

[5:22:57] frontage toward this intersection here the purple and the green here showing the street plan

[5:23:02] designations borrow road designated as that divided two lane avenue with a multi use path on the side

[5:23:08] Let's go in through a capital improvement project right now and then Rock Courier Road as Barbara was mentioning

[5:23:13] Designate is a four-lane avenue similar to spring forest and so to require all that

[5:23:17] dedication and construction to councilmember branches point. This is just an overlay showing

[5:23:24] The plan for that borrow road improvement project. It's currently underway

[5:23:30] The big thing here is this multi-use path. It's on the west side the side closest to our site here

[5:23:36] and so we're really bringing that trend toward that.

[5:23:39] Well, it will be a major intersection.

[5:23:41] Just a zoomed-in version.

[5:23:44] Also shown across sections here for those two planned

[5:23:48] street sections.

[5:23:49] And then really point number three is area compatibility.

[5:23:53] Just a few of the prohibited uses that we incorporated.

[5:23:55] It's already neighborhood mixed use, which contemplates

[5:23:57] being adjacent to those lower density areas.

[5:24:01] Adult establishment, pawn shop, dormitory, detention center,

[5:24:03] vehicle fuel sales, vape shops, and gambling facilities are the specific ones that we

[5:24:07] drafted to make sure we excluded those uses to really be good neighbors for the residential

[5:24:11] sites that abut this area up to our north.

[5:24:16] Over on the right is just showing some of the neighborhood transition provisions as they

[5:24:19] apply in the UDO.

[5:24:20] There's those three zones, applied to all the borders where there's neighborhood mixed

[5:24:24] use next to one of the residential zoning districts.

[5:24:28] With that, happy to answer any questions.

[5:24:30] questions would respectfully request that the council approve this resounding to neighborhood

[5:24:33] mixed use.

[5:24:34] Thank you.

[5:24:35] Questions from Mr. Winstead?

[5:24:37] Okay.

[5:24:38] We will come back to you.

[5:24:41] We have two folks signed up at opposition, Sarah Jessica Farber and Mary Goodson.

[5:24:46] Are they here?

[5:24:55] We could reset to eight.

[5:25:02] Thank you for the opportunity to stand before you.

[5:25:05] I am Mary Goodson.

[5:25:07] Excuse me.

[5:25:08] I have some.

[5:25:10] Anyway.

[5:25:11] I am, I was listening to Mr. Winstead, and he's spoken about the area.

[5:25:21] My home borders, the proposed project that he's, that the applicant is building is my understanding it will be retail.

[5:25:35] I am, we are not in a subdivision.

[5:25:38] and we are in support of us on Barwell Road.

[5:25:43] My property will be the one most affected by that.

[5:25:48] I have spoken when I spoke to the Planning Commission.

[5:25:53] My concern is that we already have more than enough

[5:25:59] shopping center right now.

[5:26:01] We have battle bridge that has all of the shopping center,

[5:26:07] of the food and all of those things.

[5:26:10] We have another shopping center, just about 500 yard,

[5:26:16] maybe 500 feet from where he's proposing another shopping

[5:26:20] center.

[5:26:21] If you look at what rock quarry looks like now,

[5:26:24] traffic is horrendous.

[5:26:27] Coming off a bar well, going up just a little ways up the hill

[5:26:31] is where he's proposing the planned shopping center and it would be traffic there and I believe

[5:26:45] to that, I'm a little bit nervous, I'm sorry, but I believe that that will hinder and we

[5:26:55] have accidents all the time on rock quarry as it is.

[5:26:59] But where I am living, he's proposed to put in brick wall

[5:27:05] behind my property to offset any of the noise or whatever

[5:27:13] they want to do back there.

[5:27:15] And I have been there 27 years.

[5:27:20] I'm on an acre and a quarter lot.

[5:27:22] our families, all of the families,

[5:27:25] it's four black families there.

[5:27:27] We have family functions and all of those things.

[5:27:32] When they build old town,

[5:27:34] when they build old town as the subdivision

[5:27:37] and the apartments back there,

[5:27:38] we had trouble with the kids coming through our yards

[5:27:41] to go to Barwheel Road Center.

[5:27:46] And if this happens, if they build this,

[5:27:50] we know that that's going to increase.

[5:27:54] I just want to say that this would be a hindrance.

[5:28:01] We are, like I said, we have been there for a while, not to pull anybody down.

[5:28:10] But the gentleman, he bought all of the properties up on that little, most of the properties on

[5:28:16] that road that where people were living in to build this, to come together to build this

[5:28:22] shopping center that he's proposing. And so it's just not fair that we have to endure

[5:28:35] the change of this shopping center coming into our area. And it's not that we, I don't

[5:28:43] mind that we have this happening. But you have to think about we are we're we're

[5:28:55] going to be impacted by it as a family. Our families will be impacted by the

[5:29:01] noise. We'll be impacted by whatever society if it's a restaurant.

[5:29:09] All of that

[5:29:13] traffic impact on us.

[5:29:19] Thank you.

[5:29:19] I have to say.

[5:29:25] Close the hearing.

[5:29:27] Do you all have questions for the applicant or the opposition?

[5:29:30] Yes.

[5:29:31] Councillor Silver.

[5:29:31] I have a question.

[5:29:33] For either Mr. Winston, if you can come up or staff, can you just go over the transition zone

[5:29:42] as prescribed in the U.D.O. and Ms. Goodson?

[5:29:47] Does it?

[5:29:47] I just want to see where her property is.

[5:29:49] I just want to know how the transitions work.

[5:29:53] I know you and I in a conversation.

[5:29:55] You said, wall could be.

[5:30:00] That is required from zone A, B, because this was designed intentionally to minimize, well, to offer a transition between higher density, or a different type of land use. So we kind of walk through what would experience from the site going to Miss Dawson's property or even the adjacent ones. Absolutely. Thank you for the question. Councilmember Silver. So Miss Goodson is right here. Correct. So make sure.

[5:30:28] So there's three zones of the neighborhood transition provisions, zone one is the protective

[5:30:35] yard here.

[5:30:36] And so there'll be three different options in, I'm sorry, zone A, three different options

[5:30:41] of zone A that are listed here.

[5:30:43] There's the narrowest option which is a 10 foot planted buffer with a wall.

[5:30:48] There's the second option which is a 20 foot planted buffer that's less dense of plantings

[5:30:52] also with a wall or a fence.

[5:30:53] and then the third option is a 50-foot planting only with no wall.

[5:30:59] Likely, given that this site is an acre and a half,

[5:31:02] it'll likely be option one or two,

[5:31:04] just given the way this site is configured

[5:31:07] to make sure that we've got enough space to develop on this area,

[5:31:11] given you see how it juts out here.

[5:31:13] So going from Miss Goodson's property,

[5:31:16] you'll have first that zone A,

[5:31:18] which is that planted buffer, potentially a wall there.

[5:31:20] their zone B then restricts the uses and operates as a building setback.

[5:31:24] So there will not be a principle building for commercial use, the close thing could

[5:31:29] be is 50 feet from the property line.

[5:31:31] For instance, if we took the type 2 option from zone A which is 20 feet, you have a 20 foot

[5:31:36] planet area, wall 20 foot planet area and then 30 feet additional of sit back from there.

[5:31:42] And then zone 3 or so zone C goes from the 50 foot line to 100 foot line and operates

[5:31:49] It's at a 45-degree angle that regulates height.

[5:31:51] Here are only three stories, so it's unlikely that'll apply, because the building's going to be at least 50 feet from the property line anyway, but that's what zone C does.

[5:31:59] And so those are the three zones that will be able to buffer misquits in from your property to this site and the event there's a commercial site there.

[5:32:07] I should know this answer, I don't remember, but is it for staff, is it required to be a wall or a fence?

[5:32:14] The

[5:32:18] requirement for this type one is a wall for type two fence.

[5:32:25] Type one wall, type two fence.

[5:32:27] I

[5:32:34] ask a question about hours of operation.

[5:32:37] So as proposed here, would there be any limits or could whatever is going to operate if it is retail?

[5:32:43] Could it be opened all night long?

[5:32:50] There are no hours of operations in the zoning conditions.

[5:32:54] And I don't believe under NX there are for retail, double checking.

[5:33:03] Not for retail sales.

[5:33:04] Okay, so no, yeah, it could be 24 hours a day, potentially, whatever it is.

[5:33:10] So to that point to the applicant, is that something you will be willing to consider?

[5:33:17] We're checking on the specifics to certainly be able to consider that.

[5:33:21] But for bar and restaurant use, which are those ones that really require the hours of operation,

[5:33:25] neighborhood mix use does have requirements.

[5:33:27] I don't remember the exact times off the top of my head.

[5:33:29] I want to say it's 10 o'clock as the latest it could go.

[5:33:32] It might subdivide between outdoor seating, but I know there is hours of operations, provisions,

[5:33:37] in the neighborhood mix use zoning district that already apply automatically.

[5:33:41] So like P Street where we have neighborhood mix use, next to Glenwood South,

[5:33:45] and we've lounges open till 4 in the morning, how does that work?

[5:33:49] Can we put, anyway, I'm just, I know exactly where he is, I have this issue.

[5:33:55] My piece is a violation of here.

[5:33:57] PC's also in a downtown district.

[5:33:59] No, no, no, I think we have those provisions pulled up.

[5:34:03] Yeah, so for, for eating establishment or a restaurant in an ex, can I, yeah, Pat Young

[5:34:15] I'm planning in development just trying to assist staff.

[5:34:19] There is no hours of operation restrictions on NX, so on any use at this time.

[5:34:28] So with that, for the applicant, I was wondering if you be willing to,

[5:34:38] for us to hold this for you to think about hours of operation.

[5:34:50] Sorry, we're still looking at the provisions.

[5:34:51] There's so many of them.

[5:34:53] Yes, of course, happy to do that.

[5:34:54] Okay.

[5:34:55] Okay.

[5:34:56] So, yeah, if you can reopen hearing, and if I'm thinking about our calendar, September 1st,

[5:35:06] so in the daytime, think of where, and could you work with the neighbors on that as well?

[5:35:11] Absolutely.

[5:35:11] Have that conversation.

[5:35:13] Yes.

[5:35:13] Okay.

[5:35:14] So we'll hold this, my motions to hold this case open until September 1st, so in the afternoon session.

[5:35:19] Thank you.

[5:35:21] Thank you.

[5:35:21] All in favour of the motion aye.

[5:35:23] Aye.

[5:35:23] All opposed nay.

[5:35:25] That is unanimous and next we have Z1626 North Boilin with Matthew Clem presenting.

[5:35:39] Thank you, Mayor.

[5:35:41] So this is a request to rezone 0.15 acre site from office mixed use with a three-story building

[5:35:47] high limit and a detached frontage with a neighborhood conservation overlay district to commercial

[5:35:52] mixed use with a 12 story building high limit and urban limited frontage, it's a general

[5:35:58] use case for no zoning conditions. The request is consistent with the 2030 comprehensive plan

[5:36:04] inconsistent with the future land use map and consistent with the urban forum map your planning

[5:36:08] commission recommends approval 6 to 1. So this is the site here developed with a single story

[5:36:15] building from 1961, currently, it's at the intersection of North Street and North

[5:36:19] Boroughland Avenue.

[5:36:23] This is our current entitlement estimate.

[5:36:26] So under the proposed building of 12 stories, you can see the increase in building height

[5:36:31] and entitlement for office, big jump in office, and then unit entitlement there.

[5:36:41] These numbers in a total sort of building may seem like a small jump, but I think that

[5:36:48] is really to do with the size of the site's .15 acres, the geometry of it makes a significant

[5:36:57] development challenging, so that's reflected in our estimates here.

[5:37:02] You can see, again, consistent with the plan overall and consistent with the future land use

[5:37:06] map inconsistent with our reform map policies that the request is consistent with are capitalizing

[5:37:14] on transit access, compact development, our downtown core, increasing housing, variety,

[5:37:20] and mixed use, soaring for retail in the core, again, consistent with the front edge recommendations

[5:37:27] of the urban reform map and just more policies about intensity and the city's core.

[5:37:37] Inconsistent with the future land use map through areas identified as office mix use.

[5:37:44] The request is commercial mix use with another two steps up in the intensity.

[5:37:52] And also the height is inconsistent with the downtown transition areas policy.

[5:37:58] So if approved, the future land use map will be amended to community mix use.

[5:38:02] So you can see what that looks like on this map here.

[5:38:06] Planning and commission recommends approval 6-1.

[5:38:08] The vote against the request was commissioner O'Malley

[5:38:13] who opposed the removal of the NCOD.

[5:38:19] Questions from Mr. Klon.

[5:38:21] If not, we will invite the steward for her grand finale,

[5:38:26] front of council opening the hearing on Z1626.

[5:38:31] Thank you.

[5:38:31] Just waiting for my slides.

[5:38:35] for the video. Molly Stewart, Morningstar Law Group. Here on behalf of Millenoke LLC,

[5:38:40] the property owner and the owners of Millenoke also own Leela Improv studio, the user of the site

[5:38:48] and both Christopher and Jill Eichmann, the owners are here with us this evening in case you

[5:38:53] have questions for them. All right, there we are. So there's Leela Improv studio, the corner

[5:38:59] of North Boilin Avenue and North Street and if you read that sign closely it says Lila

[5:39:06] Improv's Theatre and that is why we're here. The main driver, the main motivator for

[5:39:12] being here for this rezoning is use because in the OX District Theatre is not a permitted

[5:39:18] use. They are currently running workshops and classes and all of that is fine. The actual

[5:39:23] Theater is not, and that's what brings us here to the table.

[5:39:28] And with a small family run business, the idea was to go through a big expensive process

[5:39:34] like this, would be a good time to take a long-term view as Zoning does too, right, to say what

[5:39:39] makes sense in this area.

[5:39:40] So we've done that.

[5:39:42] I wanted to sort of quickly talk about the NCOD that applies currently as well as the

[5:39:48] detached frontage.

[5:39:49] Both of those would be mostly replaced with the urban general frontage that's proposed.

[5:39:55] Because both the detached frontage and the North Boil and NCOD work very similarly.

[5:40:00] They cover similar ground.

[5:40:02] That North Boil and NCOD can be thought of as an early frontage designation with the exception

[5:40:07] that it has a height limit as does the detached frontage.

[5:40:10] So they cover similar ground about how the building faces and where it sits on the lot and where

[5:40:14] the parking is and all that sort of thing.

[5:40:16] And all of those factors being replaced with that urban general frontage doing very similar

[5:40:22] work, the exception of course being that height.

[5:40:25] And in addition to that use, well let's talk about the use first actually since this map

[5:40:30] shows us why we chose to request the CX district.

[5:40:35] Both the CX district which exists right across the corner there and the DX immediately across

[5:40:40] the street would have permitted the theater use, but we see that CX does exist to the north

[5:40:45] of us whereas DX does not. So we want the CX. It's the lowest one that gets that theater

[5:40:51] use. So that's where we are with that. But why 12 stories? As you heard, there's not

[5:40:56] really a plan to build 12 stories. In fact, these owners have put a lot of money into restoring

[5:41:02] the building that they have to do environmental remediation on the building that they have.

[5:41:06] So no immediate plan, but this is the current situation. This is the view from North Boil

[5:41:11] Avenue of their entire block face, and you can see Lila over there on the right, allowed

[5:41:15] to build approximately two and a half stories, depending on how you build it, with the rest

[5:41:20] of their block face having ten stories owning, and that accounts for the zoning conditions

[5:41:23] there.

[5:41:25] And if we just look at that north-south stretch that exists between St. Mary's and North

[5:41:30] Boylan, there are a number of examples of these taller heights, including immediately next

[5:41:36] to the site there with those ten stories.

[5:41:37] All of these designations that you see here, those all reflect the zoning conditions,

[5:41:42] so they may not actually match what the map says.

[5:41:44] They'll either match the map or be a little bit lower.

[5:41:48] And then if we look from east to west, we see that drop off and we heard about the downtown

[5:41:54] transition.

[5:41:55] So we have our 40 stories, east of Glenwood, west of Glenwood, immediately across the street

[5:42:00] from this site is 20 stories zoning, and then of course we have the 10 stories on the property

[5:42:06] line adjacent to the south there. And that's why we thought that that 12-story district

[5:42:10] would be the right sit here. Again, that's a long-term plan, just thinking that's what fits

[5:42:14] in. However, you know, in going through the process, we're open to comments on that, we've

[5:42:19] heard none. There simply hasn't been opposition to this proposal. So that's what we bring

[5:42:26] before you today, and we are all happy to answer any questions that you have.

[5:42:29] Okay. Thank you. Any questions? I will close the hearing.

[5:42:39] I'm prepared to make a motion.

[5:42:40] I'm just very pleased to see what can happen with this theater and I moved to adopt the proposed consistency statement dated August 18,

[5:42:51] 2026 contained in the agenda materials and to approve the zoning amendment with the adoption and effective dates described in the agenda item under recommended action.

[5:42:59] This approval is also deemed an amendment to the future land use map to the extent described in the adopted consistency statement.

[5:43:08] All right, all in favor of the motion aye.

[5:43:11] Aye.

[5:43:11] All opposed nay. That is unanimous. Congratulations.

[5:43:15] We look forward to the theater.

[5:43:18] Yeah.

[5:43:18] Okay, next we got,

[5:43:20] But comprehensive plan amendment 0126, old cruise road, Hanereco.

[5:43:29] So CP126 is a request to amend map T1, the street plan, and the comprehensive plan.

[5:43:36] It is a privately initiated request, and the request would amend the designation for

[5:43:41] a quotient of old cruise road from Avenue 4 lane divided to Avenue 2 lane divided.

[5:43:49] So, this segment is between Buffalo Road and Old Mill Burney Road up here,

[5:44:00] and you can

[5:44:03] see there are both solid lines and dotted lines in that segment, so this is a portion

[5:44:09] of what existing street and then a proposed street that does not yet exist.

[5:44:15] And the amendment would go, as I said, from the four-lane street escape, or sorry, avenue

[5:44:22] type to two-lane divided avenue.

[5:44:28] So this is in northeast Raleigh, you can see there's still fairly rural in this area,

[5:44:37] some proposed developments in the pipeline around this site.

[5:44:44] I'll hand it off to the transportation staff to provide a little more context.

[5:44:52] Good afternoon, council.

[5:44:54] This is Carter Robertson with the Transportation Department.

[5:45:00] The opportunity for us to right size our infrastructure for the future as development comes in. So this request is associated with the development of the Alderbrook subdivision. As they develop their site, they would be upgrading old cruise road along their frontage. They'd also be replacing an aging bridge that goes over Hodges, Mill Creek. So as today with the current street plan designation, the UDO would require them to upgrade old cruise to a

[5:45:29] four-lane avenue. However, staff believe that this wide of a cross-section isn't warranted

[5:45:37] and actually reducing it to a two-lane would come with several benefits, and I'll explain

[5:45:43] those. But before getting into those benefits, I do just want to clarify, we are just looking

[5:45:49] at that reduction from four lanes to two lanes on the stretch right now. We're not considering

[5:45:56] changing the alignment with this request.

[5:46:01] So, one thing we look at when we're considering the amount of lanes that are appropriate on a roadway is our street capacity guidance.

[5:46:11] That's listed in the comprehensive plan. That's the table on the right of the screen.

[5:46:16] And as you can see, a four-lane street is really meant to hold 15,000 to 35,000 vehicles per day.

[5:46:24] It's a very wide cross section that's meant to facilitate a lot of throughput vehicle movement, but when we look at the historical data for old cruise road, the traffic volume is very low.

[5:46:38] We have about 10 years of data. It's about 2,500 vehicles a day now and that's increased slightly since 2016. That was around 1,700 vehicles per day.

[5:46:52] And when we look at our future projections in the Triangle Regional Model, in 2055, the daily traffic would still be under 10,000 vehicles per day.

[5:47:04] So we think downgrading to a three-lane street would more than accommodate the current and the future traffic demand, three-lane street can hold up to 20,000 vehicles per day.

[5:47:17] Okay, so on top of just the appropriateness of the section, I think there's a lot of

[5:47:26] benefits to right sizing these roads as they come in.

[5:47:31] On the left you'll see the four lane divided section and on the right the proposed cross

[5:47:37] section.

[5:47:38] And the big difference here other than just two additional lanes is ultimately that amount

[5:47:44] of pavement that would be put in.

[5:47:46] The two lane cross section is about 38 feet from back of curb to back of curb.

[5:47:53] And this four lane section is 66 feet back of curb back to curb.

[5:47:57] So that's about twice as much pavement going out there.

[5:48:01] And when you think of that from a pedestrian standpoint, that's a lot longer of a distance

[5:48:07] the cross and a lot more opportunities for conflict points with a vehicle, along with

[5:48:14] the pedestrian safety impacts, that's a lot less impervious surface that we'd be putting down.

[5:48:21] So less impacts on the current environment around Old Cruise Road.

[5:48:27] And like I said before, this request is really going along with a private development and a

[5:48:35] The key part of this conversation at site plan with NCDOT and the developer is the replacement of this aging bridge that goes over Hodges Mill.

[5:48:47] When this is put in, it's going to serve this area for a long time and we think that right sizing and getting it right is going to be beneficial for those environmental impacts to the stream that it would be going under.

[5:49:02] right now the UDO would require it to be very wide and we'd be reducing that

[5:49:09] that overall cross-section going over the bridge so that's all I have for

[5:49:14] right now I'll turn it back over to Hannah but I'll still be available for any

[5:49:18] questions.

[5:49:24] So this request like any other comprehensive plan amendment was

[5:49:28] evaluated against the policies and the comprehensive plan. I'm here are some

[5:49:32] Consistent policies, many of which Carter touched on, and then there were no inconsistent

[5:49:39] policies identified with this particular request.

[5:49:43] And then the Planning Commission did recommend approval unanimously, you can see the finding

[5:49:47] here.

[5:49:50] And both Carter and I are here to answer any questions you have.

[5:49:54] Yeah.

[5:49:55] Questions for staff?

[5:49:57] I just wanted to make sure, so on the slide with the chart there and that's with highlighted

[5:50:03] it in yellow. It calls it a three-lane street and in the packet, it refers to it as an avenue

[5:50:08] two-lane divided. I want to make sure that's the same and just a different verbiage or something.

[5:50:13] Yeah, it's just a different verbiage. If you look at the typical section column, it's at least one

[5:50:18] lane in either direction with a median or a center turn lane. And so our two-lane divided cross-section,

[5:50:24] you can either have a median or center turn lane as that divided element.

[5:50:29] Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? Okay. Not, I will open the hearing and we have Gunner Gregory in support and then we have two folks signed up in opposition.

[5:50:42] Mr. Gregory, yeah.

[5:50:47] Are we doing eight minutes or?

[5:50:48] This is for resigning.

[5:50:50] Technically it's your prerogative.

[5:50:52] It's four minutes enough.

[5:50:54] Okay.

[5:50:55] Okay.

[5:50:56] Good afternoon.

[5:50:58] Gunner Gregory on behalf of the applicant.

[5:51:01] Carter stole all of my points.

[5:51:04] So we'll go ahead and kind of skip through some of this here.

[5:51:07] So as you mentioned, this would be reducing the cross-section

[5:51:10] of Oak Ridge Road from Buffalo Road to Olma Bernie.

[5:51:13] Our project experiments are highlighted in blue.

[5:51:15] Although the reduction would go for the entire section of roadway.

[5:51:21] As Carter mentioned, we go from the Avenue 4 lane to the Avenue 2 lane divided.

[5:51:26] A couple of reasons for this amendment, the 2050 projected traffic volumes.

[5:51:30] Not meet that warrant for 4 lane section.

[5:51:32] This is a role in residential area in the 2 lane divided section.

[5:51:37] More closely matches those land uses and then support from the city, Campo and NCDOT.

[5:51:45] The reduced section will also help to minimize, skip this one.

[5:51:51] There we go, environmental impacts have less impacts to days and

[5:51:55] property owners that will promote alternative transportation by providing both pedestrian and bicycle facilities and is fully funded by private development along with public funds to address other transportation concerns.

[5:52:06] Thank you, happy to answer any questions.

[5:52:09] Okay, thank you.

[5:52:11] Right?

[5:52:12] If there's no questions, we'll call up Linda Perrier and Paul Bear.

[5:52:20] Are they in the audience?

[5:52:23] Okay.

[5:52:24] Are you Mr. Bear?

[5:52:25] Yes.

[5:52:25] Okay.

[5:52:29] Good afternoon.

[5:52:31] My name is Paul Bear.

[5:52:33] I'm opposed to this.

[5:52:34] You're destroying the character, the area.

[5:52:38] Old Mill Burney and old cruise roads.

[5:52:41] This is country.

[5:52:42] I moved out there.

[5:52:43] I bought 13 acres.

[5:52:44] the maps are a little confusing because they still show a proposed part of old

[5:52:53] cruise road going through my house. I don't know why when cold springs was

[5:52:58] approved the map should have been changed. You're not going to go through cold

[5:53:04] springs development with this. They're stopping before that. Old cruise road now

[5:53:10] looks like it was developed through a planning commission or planning department from a kindergarten

[5:53:15] class. It's wide, it's narrow, it's wide, it's narrow. There's going to be accidents on the

[5:53:22] southern part of Old Cruz Road because it narrows down and it goes into a roadery. This section

[5:53:29] stops. They're going to widen the road divided and then it narrows back down and you're talking

[5:53:37] about bicycle lanes. Where do you go after the road goes back to a very narrow point in

[5:53:43] the road? You approved a development over there that same developer got rejected from

[5:53:51] Wendell.

[5:53:54] The planning commission here, this is a corrupt system. You appoint the planning

[5:54:00] commission members who all vote to approve everything. Comes here, you approve it, the

[5:54:06] The developers give campaign contributions and everything gets approved.

[5:54:10] You're ignoring the fire departments recommendations or lack thereof because you're building houses

[5:54:16] where you don't have fire protection and you approve it.

[5:54:20] That to me is gross negligence, which you're going to pay the price in the future.

[5:54:27] The same thing with these developments with this road section where it's going to cause

[5:54:33] accidents and a good attorney is going to be able to come and say why did you approve

[5:54:38] this? You narrowed a road where all of a sudden they're on a two-lane road divided and

[5:54:43] now it's back to a little country road and the developers doing just enough to get it approved,

[5:54:49] make their millions and disappear. They're gone and the local residents are foot-footing

[5:54:56] the bill when this is over with. If you're looking at a curfew, do a curfew on

[5:55:02] developers and on development and stop this, you're trying to make this place

[5:55:09] look like San Jose, California. I've lived there. I've worked there. And this is

[5:55:14] what you're doing to this place. When I first moved here, I drove by Wendell

[5:55:18] Falls. I almost had a heart attack. I cannot believe you're doing this to this

[5:55:23] area.

[5:55:29] People are left to hold the bill and put up with the traffic. The traffic department,

[5:55:36] the people, traffic engineers, have you been down Buffalo Road? I guess you're not going

[5:55:41] to get an award for that traffic disaster and more development and more development on

[5:55:47] Buffalo Road, old cruise road, forestville road. You're not planning anything other than

[5:55:53] a disaster, even a beagle knows enough to not the crap in its own bowl.

[5:55:59] Thank you.

[5:56:02] Thank you.

[5:56:04] Close that hearing.

[5:56:06] Any questions for the petitioner or the Mr. Bear?

[5:56:10] Move for approval.

[5:56:11] All right.

[5:56:12] Thank you.

[5:56:14] All right.

[5:56:14] Any other discussion?

[5:56:16] All in favor?

[5:56:17] Aye.

[5:56:18] All opposed, nay.

[5:56:20] That is unanimous.

[5:56:21] All right.

[5:56:22] Thank you.

[5:56:22] Final case is TC-126 School Lot Amendment and that is with Justin Remetta.

[5:56:31] Good afternoon again.

[5:56:37] I don't think we want to talk about takehairs again.

[5:56:42] We already did that one.

[5:56:43] I

[5:57:29] can go ahead and get started while we look for the presentation.

[5:57:36] This is public hearing for text change TC-126 related to lot sizes for schools.

[5:57:42] This was a citizen petitioned text amendment that would amend the 500 square foot per enrollee minimum lot size requirement for schools.

[5:57:58] So the request was filed back in December of 2025, authorized by Council on February of this year.

[5:58:07] The planning commission did vote to recommend unanimous approval on June 9th of this year.

[5:58:21] So this 500-square-foot lot size per enrollee requirement has been around for some time.

[5:58:28] Prior to the adoption of the UDO in 2013, it was only applicable to private and

[5:58:35] progeal schools when the UDO was adopted.

[5:58:37] the regulations for all schools were aligned, and so since 2013 that requirement has been

[5:58:44] in place for all schools with the exception of a text change in 2017 that carved out the DX district.

[5:58:54] So since 2017 has applied everywhere except DX zoning.

[5:59:05] Here is the existing regulation and question.

[5:59:07] in the youth standard for schools, again 500 square feet per enrolled pupil with the exception of the ex-district.

[5:59:18] In addition to those youth standards, there are just the regular site design controls that would apply for all schools as well.

[5:59:25] There are protective yards and buffers in residential areas, the same that apply to daycares that we talked about earlier.

[5:59:33] The same neighborhood transitions would apply in mixed youth districts where a school is adjacent to a residential district.

[5:59:39] or residential use. There are also broader UDO standards like parking, landscaping

[5:59:45] requirements, screening, environmental protection, outdoor menacea area, again

[5:59:50] that would apply globally to all schools in addition to those use standards.

[6:00:00] That you just talked about extensively in your last case, so I will skip over that. We also have the street design manual that will govern how a school connects to the transportation network, things like travel spacing, sidewalk and street improvements, schools require traffic impact analysis so there could be improvements required for schools as well, right away dedication, traffic control, streets, streets of improvements, et cetera.

[6:00:31] So all that being said, the applicant

[6:00:33] is proposing to leave the minimum lot size per enrollee requirement in place with the exception

[6:00:45] of when a site is located in both a mixed use district and is not adjacent to a property zone

[6:00:55] R124 or 6. So in all other cases that requirement would continue to apply in a case where a school

[6:01:03] was proposed in a mixed use district, and the law was not adjacent to residential.

[6:01:09] That requirement would be waived.

[6:01:16] I'm happy to answer any questions you have.

[6:01:18] I think the applicant, yes, Hunter is still here if you have questions for him as well.

[6:01:25] Okay.

[6:01:26] Yep, Councillor Patten.

[6:01:27] Yeah.

[6:01:28] Hi.

[6:01:28] When we first undertook this, there was discussion of being in frequent transit areas, which

[6:01:36] is not reflected in the final form.

[6:01:38] Can you speak to that?

[6:01:39] Sure. Yes, so the initial application was to have that carve out for properties in the frequent transit areas.

[6:01:51] Staff raised some concerns that with the upcoming rewrite of the comprehensive plan, we wanted to avoid terms that may be changed, rewritten, or may not exist in the future that would require than a further additional tax amendment.

[6:02:06] So the closest kind of analogous standard we came up with with the applicant was just using that mixed use district, not adjacent to residential.

[6:02:17] Okay. And did you consider it all like if the spirit was to be to allow these more this more flexibility on transit corridors.

[6:02:27] We consider like having it be like a TOD designation would be the thing that enables us because that's in the UDO and not the comp plan.

[6:02:41] I don't know if it was specifically discussed.

[6:02:47] If certainly there are many properties with the TOD overlay that are also mixed use zoning, that is one way that it could be done as well.

[6:02:56] Well, it would likely significantly reduce the area where this would be applicable,

[6:03:01] but that would get at the spirit of trying to avoid term solely in the comp plan.

[6:03:07] Yes.

[6:03:07] Yeah.

[6:03:08] Got it.

[6:03:08] And then when other kind of set of questions I have is around just like, you know,

[6:03:16] if we create this greater flexibility in our zoning code, the public and charter schools

[6:03:21] will still be bound by policy guidance by NCDPI or a weak county school board or whatever,

[6:03:29] but religious and private schools, I don't think of any sort of other governance.

[6:03:37] And so we were kind of the last line of defense, so while I can have, I can hold some space

[6:03:41] for like a retrofitted wall grains right on a bus line making sense, but like how do we make

[6:03:49] kids crammed into every corner such that they might impact their learning, is there any?

[6:03:54] Yeah, so I think the back, there's a life safety backstop with the building code and

[6:04:01] fire code relating to occupancy to avoid overcrowding and those sorts of things.

[6:04:06] That is one way, and then I think the planning commission did have some discussion on this,

[6:04:11] or at least the text change committee did, and felt that those existing standards, just the general site design standards.

[6:04:18] things like outdoor amenity area requirements, et cetera, would still apply regardless of the type of school.

[6:04:26] And so they felt that that would effectively mitigate any of those types of concerns.

[6:04:30] Okay, what are the outdoor amenity requirements?

[6:04:34] It would be 10% of the site size would have to be dedicated,

[6:04:40] an outdoor amenities space for you, so in this case, children.

[6:04:46] 10% of the site area.

[6:04:49] One question.

[6:04:51] Yeah.

[6:04:52] How many with the restriction of not being adjacent to any of our

[6:04:58] residential outside of our tin?

[6:05:02] How many properties does this really open up for this?

[6:05:15] So here,

[6:05:20] okay, so in purple we have mixed-use zoning, yellow is the R1246.

[6:05:29] So of all of the mixed-use, looking at mixed-use properties that do not, but those residential

[6:05:39] social zoning districts, you'd look at approximately almost 12,000 parcels that would be potentially eligible to not have to comply with that.

[6:05:51] And it's really properties in the middle of the mid-shoes, basically.

[6:05:58] That's right.

[6:06:00] Thank you.

[6:06:03] Other questions for staff?

[6:06:05] Okay, I will open up the public hearing and we have Hunter Winstead in support and in opposition.

[6:06:12] We have Larissa Greene and what we're doing for, yeah.

[6:06:21] Good afternoon. One more time, Mayor Cal. Council members.

[6:06:23] No, no, Wednesday morning, start longer. This is my last case today. I think it's everybody's last case today.

[6:06:27] It's everybody's last time.

[6:06:29] So we certainly appreciate everybody's attention and bearing with us. On a long day, this is one as Mr.

[6:06:35] Mehta mentioned that this text change really aimed at expanding the current exemption to the city's urban areas.

[6:06:40] And so transit to council member patents.

[6:06:42] questions, certainly a piece of that, but really the focus on those urban areas, which

[6:06:46] is why we think time to the zoning makes sense as well.

[6:06:48] I won't walk through all the language a little bit of the why this tech change is here.

[6:06:53] We've had several folks come to us looking to put schools in some of the city's more urban

[6:06:58] areas.

[6:06:58] And this is one of these kind of strange provisions in the code that inhibits that sighting

[6:07:04] of these smaller, more walkable schools in these mixed use more urban areas.

[6:07:08] is it's really a suburban type style to link a lot area

[6:07:12] to the enrollment piece of how many students can be enrolled

[6:07:16] in a given school.

[6:07:18] The few of the reasons is to why this case makes sense to us.

[6:07:21] Reason number one, smaller walkable schools

[6:07:23] really foster stronger communities.

[6:07:26] And this is just a few of those comprehensive plan policies

[6:07:28] that speak to that point is the ability

[6:07:30] to have a smaller school that's walkable,

[6:07:33] that you can get to on foot in five minutes

[6:07:35] So it really helps foster the community around the school, advancing those comprehensive plan policies.

[6:07:41] Reason number two, there's no reason that schools need to be limited to suburban context.

[6:07:45] Specifically, school access should be accessible for folks in the urban areas of the city too.

[6:07:49] What maybe one of the unintended consequences of a lot area requirement like this is that

[6:07:54] pushes schools out of the city to the more edges of the city, where those suburban areas are,

[6:07:58] because that's where all the large sites are, where you can put more students and

[6:08:02] have that law area sufficient under this 500 square foot requirement.

[6:08:06] And then reason number three, the size of a lot really should not prevent easier access

[6:08:10] to education in those urban areas.

[6:08:12] Again, this is focused on enhancing access to education for the folks for the students

[6:08:17] that live in those more urban areas.

[6:08:18] It's really what this application is aimed at.

[6:08:21] And with that, also down on this last case and respectfully request that the council approve

[6:08:25] this take change.

[6:08:26] Happy to answer any questions?

[6:08:27] Okay.

[6:08:28] Thank you.

[6:08:28] Questions from Mr. Winstead?

[6:08:30] Okay.

[6:08:31] If not, we will invite Ms. Green.

[6:08:46] Hello Madam Mayor and Council members.

[6:08:48] I know a lot has gone on with this text change before this point.

[6:08:51] And honestly, I don't oppose this change because it seems to specifically allow schools to be built in mixed-use zoning without meeting the standard lot size.

[6:09:02] I am a supporter of school choice.

[6:09:05] I am here to ensure this change isn't misused.

[6:09:08] What we do not want to see is all new schools being built with smaller lot standards.

[6:09:15] We do not want all new schools in downtown or mixed use areas to have different access

[6:09:20] to open space or natural environments.

[6:09:24] We need to recognize that school lot size benefits safety and allows classroom activities to

[6:09:30] occasionally move outside the building.

[6:09:32] As our city grows, we have less space to develop, and we need to make sure policy is intentional about protecting what we have while it potentially allows new development to differ from existing standards.

[6:09:47] In the news right now, there is active discussion about a land swap between school property for affordable housing.

[6:09:55] It appears that this policy change is not associated with that land swap.

[6:10:00] But it is leadership's accountability to make sure there is transparency in public land use so

[6:10:07] that people clearly understand changes to policy affecting the future as a whole picture.

[6:10:11] Right now, the county reports five schools that are potentially swapping open space,

[6:10:19] one of which is in the rally limits.

[6:10:21] Also in the news is new school being built in the city gateway development.

[6:10:26] Please ensure this reduction in school lots standards does not pressure schools open space into being swapped for development.

[6:10:34] Please make sure that this reduction in school lots standards does not lead to an overall different school experience for

[6:10:41] those attending school in a mixed use area versus a residential area.

[6:10:45] Policy change that allows something to occur and resulting changes must both be considered.

[6:10:52] Thank you.

[6:10:52] All

[6:10:56] right, I will close the hearing.

[6:11:07] Okay, I move to approve, text change, TC-126.

[6:11:14] Second.

[6:11:16] Is there any discussion?

[6:11:19] All in favor of that motion, aye.

[6:11:21] Aye.

[6:11:21] All opposed?

[6:11:23] I'm sorry, we need a de-consistency statement.

[6:11:25] Oh, for a texture.

[6:11:27] Okay, well,

[6:11:37] I'm sorry to adopt.

[6:11:38] I'm fine, you could read it.

[6:11:40] No, I have a different question, sorry, I have actual discussion, I just had to get my mind wrapped around it, sorry everyone.

[6:11:48] I think for me, I would prefer if we tighten this up a little bit.

[6:11:55] I mean, some of the areas that are included are not walkable and so for creating more flexibility so that we can have more walkable schools.

[6:12:05] some of the areas included like Barr Creek and Wayfield are not that and I wonder if we can

[6:12:12] like make this related to the TOD or something that speaks to the spirit of like dance walkable

[6:12:18] communities like I can imagine retrofitting places where kids can hop on the bus and go to one of

[6:12:24] our amazing public parks or something but it feels like too loose for me right now. Would anyone be

[6:12:30] open to them. I would prefer to just vote vote it up. I mean, I just see if how it goes and if you

[6:12:38] I'm good with it, but well I haven't pulled up now. I move to adoptive repulsed consistently

[6:12:44] statement dated August 18, 2026, contained the genometriol and approve the zoning text amendment.

[6:12:51] Second. All right, all in favor of the motion aye. All opposed. All right, so now we have the

[6:12:59] six, two, so.

[6:13:02] All right, that concludes our public hearings.

[6:13:08] Next, we have a report and recommendation of the committees.

[6:13:13] There are no reports and then we have report of the mayor

[6:13:15] and city council.

[6:13:16] I will start with Bayer-Protein Harrison.

[6:13:23] Well, I do want to just speak to some recent events

[6:13:27] that have been I think a lot of our community's mind.

[6:13:31] And, you know, we certainly, as a council and as the city were heartbroken this weekend

[6:13:36] over the death of a young man downtown, I want to thank our first responders who handled

[6:13:42] the situation professionally and investigated the incident as quickly as they could and I'd

[6:13:47] like to ask for a moment of silence to honor this man's life.

[6:14:02] Thank you.

[6:14:02] We have a lot to do when it comes to mental health and I want to make sure that we have the

[6:14:07] resources to assist folks whenever they are looking for it.

[6:14:11] So reach out if someone is struggling that you know.

[6:14:15] Please do, please help them as much as you can.

[6:14:19] I'd also like to mention there was a data center annexation case

[6:14:24] that was withdrawn, and I think what would be helpful for

[6:14:28] the public is to have a summary of our process for determining

[6:14:34] whether a data center can be cited in Raleigh.

[6:14:37] We had a very helpful work session in June that described our process,

[6:14:42] but I don't know that many people watch that.

[6:14:44] I would like in a City Manager's report to have that information just summarized,

[6:14:50] you know, very succinctly, perhaps says some kind of, you know,

[6:14:54] to digest diagram, a process chart, and a process chart, and a process chart, and a process

[6:15:00] Annaxation or rezoning. Sometimes it's going to be simply a special use permit with the Board of Adjustments. So I just want to ensure that we all understand how this process currently works. And then also how are the public made aware of these Board of Adjustment hearings if we are to have one. And then how is council made aware. So thank you for any updates on that. And I know I had spoken to Pat about that.

[6:15:25] So appreciate, I really appreciate staff just helping to inform our community when these

[6:15:31] are coming so they're not a surprise to anyone.

[6:15:34] Thank you.

[6:15:36] Definitely, I'm glad to be back.

[6:15:39] The last weekend has been a very challenging weekend for our city, for our community, and

[6:15:47] I'll just be blamed, especially, be very transparent, especially for people of color, with everything

[6:15:52] that has happened based historically and the incident that we recently had.

[6:15:58] One question I do have for staff is I'm still getting messages about people trying to

[6:16:04] seek information.

[6:16:05] Is there a point of contact or so where I can direct them to, for those questions, I understand

[6:16:13] the sensitivity of this issue and this matter, but I am being contacted and I need to figure

[6:16:19] out how to better provide a response to them other than I have to wait.

[6:16:27] The only thing I would say is point them in the direction of the public statements that

[6:16:32] we have issued and they should be on our website is still an active investigation into the

[6:16:36] medical examiner's report comes back finalize we got a preliminary notification yesterday

[6:16:42] but it may take some time according to RPD when we get the official report in hand and so

[6:16:47] So we're not at liberty to discuss or say anything else to that effect.

[6:16:52] So what we've already said, we're okay with saying that.

[6:16:56] So I would encourage you to send folks to RPD site because they have the same statements

[6:17:00] issued or the city's website.

[6:17:02] Okay.

[6:17:03] Thank you.

[6:17:04] And on a hopefully more uplifting note, this coming Friday to the best high schools in the

[6:17:12] country in low high school and

[6:17:15] Southeast Raleigh High School play

[6:17:17] each other in the Southside

[6:17:18] Classic. I know we have some

[6:17:19] brought in grads down there and

[6:17:21] everything. But this this coming

[6:17:24] Friday, please come out, support

[6:17:26] our young people. Be present. I

[6:17:30] look forward to being out there.

[6:17:31] I know counselor Ford will be out

[6:17:33] there as well for the seven o'clock

[6:17:35] game with her brought in gear at

[6:17:37] a southeast Raleigh High School

[6:17:39] in low high school basketball

[6:17:41] That's a football game, but other than that, please y'all be just be kind, be respectful.

[6:17:50] There's a lot that people are dealing with that people don't always show.

[6:17:56] Thank you.

[6:17:58] Just a few updates.

[6:18:00] Our next District E Community Meeting will be held on September 9th from 6 to 8 p.m. at

[6:18:05] La Cucina Italian Restaurant.

[6:18:07] And then our Decoding Democracy Book Club has moved locations to the Continental in District

[6:18:12] be. Our next meeting will be Saturday, September 12th, from 9.30 to 11.30 am. We will finally be

[6:18:19] finishing up chapter two and moving on to chapter three. And then lastly, I have both of my daughters

[6:18:26] now entering middle school on the 24th. And so I just want to give all students as we enter the

[6:18:32] next school year. Blessings and good luck. I hope it is a great year. Thank you.

[6:18:37] Yeah, and I would just say I would also just say a prayer for the man who died and I will say obviously very tragic circumstances for him and his family.

[6:18:49] I will say it's probably some of the most ugliest episode I have experienced in my service in public office for 17 years.

[6:18:58] Some of the horrific accusations that were made towards our staff, this council.

[6:19:04] I was just really, really ugly and it's just scary that beyond the pain that this young

[6:19:12] man had, right, what is surfaced in our society and the behavior.

[6:19:18] So I will just say, you know, I'm processing it through myself, but it was just a very difficult

[6:19:25] weekend for many reasons, so just stating that.

[6:19:31] I first want to thank the city manager and staff for the anti-displacement policy.

[6:19:37] I picked at it.

[6:19:39] I couldn't read all of it, but thank you so much for making that happen.

[6:19:44] I do want to echo comments from my colleagues that it was a very painful chapter.

[6:19:51] All of us, including ourselves, I'm sure have had mental health issues or mental health crisis.

[6:19:57] And, you know, one thing we could all do, yes, there are resources, but reach out, check

[6:20:03] on people, neighbors, family, and friends.

[6:20:08] There are signs, but people don't often say something.

[6:20:12] And so I too agree that we're in this state of very divisive politics, a language that

[6:20:18] we use that is intended to hurt and harm individuals.

[6:20:22] We can't control that, but it is my hope that we speak to people with empathy, with integrity, because like the Mayor, I struggle that you're now hurting other people's mental stability by speaking off of people that had a mental health crisis.

[6:20:37] It just doesn't square. And so it is my hope that we could all do our part, recognize that there are teams that have come out of the COVID period.

[6:20:46] the Black Lives Matter and what people have witnessed years and years and decades of trauma.

[6:20:53] So it's my hope that we will change the way we have discourse with one another.

[6:20:58] We could agree to disagree.

[6:21:00] We all get along on this council, but we don't always agree on everything.

[6:21:04] But it's my hope that we could change the civil discourse to be empathetic, respectful, and

[6:21:10] really start to lift people up rather than push them down.

[6:21:14] So that is my hope and to me, I want to make sure this tragic death that we wake up and recognize that mental health crisis across this country.

[6:21:23] We talk about it and we just say call this number.

[6:21:26] I think we could all play our role to do something to make sure our neighbors, our friends, our family are doing okay.

[6:21:32] It's

[6:21:37] a very somber set of comments today appropriately, so after a somber weekend, I am reminded

[6:21:45] with all the talk of mental health that the city has done some things to help folks

[6:21:52] in crisis.

[6:21:52] I know on our Smovar parking decks, we've added signage that includes the suicide prevention

[6:21:58] lifeline number, and so thank you to staff for helping make that happen, and also things

[6:22:04] to the, um, it worked with a resident on that initiative. And so thanks for them for their advocacy.

[6:22:11] Um, so I always think of when we come back from break, I was thinking of it as like a first day of

[6:22:15] school for us. And so, um, it's like a time for setting news resolutions. Um, so I'm getting back

[6:22:20] to some of my roots. So I'm going to name off a couple of good things that we did through the

[6:22:25] consent agenda today, which we conferred the retirement of police dog Udo, Udo. I'm not sure, um, but

[6:22:33] may have that dog have a lovely retirement. Also, we contributed $700,000 to the tar river

[6:22:40] land conservancy so that we can preserve land around the streams that feed into Falls Lake to

[6:22:46] help with nutrients that we can reduce our need to like chemically treat our water. So that's a

[6:22:52] great long-term investment in our water supply. And then we approved a mini-pitch at Green Road

[6:22:58] which will be great for the players there.

[6:23:02] And also getting back to my roots.

[6:23:05] I'm hosting office hours tomorrow.

[6:23:07] They'll be at Bedford Food and Drink from 6 to 8 p.m.

[6:23:10] Welcome everyone to come out.

[6:23:12] And then just building on Maripur-Tem Harrison's

[6:23:17] interest in data centers,

[6:23:20] I would love to kind of tag on as a footnote to that.

[6:23:23] I would be interested in having a sort of data centers

[6:23:27] There's FAQ page.

[6:23:28] I thought during the drought restrictions, the water restriction FAQ page was very helpful.

[6:23:34] It not only explained exactly what the restriction was, but spoke to some of the broader questions

[6:23:40] people have about cost of growth, water capacity overall.

[6:23:45] I found that to be really helpful page to direct people to and it would be nice if there was

[6:23:49] sort of an analog to that related to data centers, which are definitely a matter of community

[6:23:53] interest, so if we could consider that and maybe you can respond to it in that same response

[6:23:59] that you get to Councilman Reherson.

[6:24:05] I have one item briefly and I don't know if this will be covered at the retreat or

[6:24:10] not, but can we get an update on the Fayetteville Street work that we approved last year, the

[6:24:18] public realm?

[6:24:19] I called Assistant City Manager Evan Raleigh over break to inquire and got sort of a high

[6:24:25] level update, so I know that things are moving forward and sort of where they're at, but

[6:24:30] there are a lot of folks in the public that are curious and so a refresher could be helpful.

[6:24:36] Both, I think, the immediate phase that we had funded and authorized, and then a reminder

[6:24:41] on some of these larger projects.

[6:24:44] If my collection is correct, I believe we had asked them to be programmed in this next fiscal

[6:24:50] year budget.

[6:24:50] So we funded the million dollars for certain things, and there were some bigger projects that we were holding open, and so just an update on all of that I think could be helpful. Thank you.

[6:25:04] On a couple of good notes, I did attend. I think I missed one of the hoop nights. Got some great pictures of cheap boys. I think he slipped out, dunking.

[6:25:15] King.

[6:25:18] The goal was, the goal was that rim was down. It was, it was not regular height.

[6:25:26] And so he's really going to get me when he sees this. And then I, you know, I had to send

[6:25:32] a message to the city manager because he, he slipped and he fell on his legs in the air

[6:25:37] and I said, you know, we can't have a worker's comp issue out here. And you actually did

[6:25:42] very well they actually beat the police officers I think the majority of the

[6:25:46] games so it was actually fun but um definitely want to commend the police

[6:25:51] department our park staff and all of the city departments that were

[6:25:55] involved in hosting those again this year this is the second year they've done

[6:25:59] it and each night it seemed like the crowds grew and you had more youth

[6:26:04] participating so it was a phenomenal job done by our folks in the city so

[6:26:09] I want to congratulate them on that.

[6:26:11] We've had a number of organizations

[6:26:13] and folks doing backpack drives in the last couple weeks.

[6:26:17] And I want to commend John Wall,

[6:26:20] Levelle Motten, Devote Graham,

[6:26:23] and so are other organizations that have done that

[6:26:25] throughout the city of Raleigh over the last few weeks.

[6:26:28] All of those events seem to be well attended.

[6:26:30] And then I think the firebirds did a shoe drive this past weekend.

[6:26:34] So between backpacks, haircuts, clothes, shoes,

[6:26:38] a lot has been done within the community, which I think is a positive that we want to know was so much that we've dealt with over the last couple days.

[6:26:47] And then I do have a request for the transportation department.

[6:26:51] I know we've had some conversations, but in the city, I mean city turns office as well.

[6:26:57] I see a lot of the scooters and electric bikes just kind of laying all over the city.

[6:27:02] And I think in our contracts there's supposed to be some provisions that the vendors of the companies will come and pick those bikes up and collect them.

[6:27:11] I've sent some screenshots of some places where I've seen them and after I even I've reported them, it's been weeks and they're still there.

[6:27:19] So I would like y'all to look at the contract and what the terms are.

[6:27:24] And if the companies are not adhering to the terms, then we need to figure out what the next steps are going to be.

[6:27:30] But just leaving the bikes and scooters all over the place is not acceptable.

[6:27:35] So I would like for y'all to address that or bring it back to us.

[6:27:39] In just a piggyback, yes, because it's like seven or eight bikes at a time that we both have seen.

[6:27:47] Thank you, Councillor, for bringing that up.

[6:27:50] Okay, we have no appointments, nominations.

[6:27:54] Yes, just a few good evening.

[6:27:56] a few new announcements here, Arts Commission, one regular vacancy resignation has been received

[6:28:02] from Eliza Kaiser, so this will be coming back. Next is Design Review Commission, two regular

[6:28:08] vacancies. Resignations have been received from regular members Claire Craven and Kyle Springer.

[6:28:14] Council may wish to elevate the longest-serving alternates and declare vacancies that's Janine

[6:28:19] Ann McAuliffe and John Terzotti's.

[6:28:21] To appoint the all to it.

[6:28:23] Second.

[6:28:24] All in favor of that motion, aye.

[6:28:25] Aye.

[6:28:26] All opposed.

[6:28:28] That passes.

[6:28:29] And then I think while we're on design review commission, you note here that the ETJ slot has been vacant for some time.

[6:28:38] We're provided an answer that it sounds like we have to adopt a formal resolution to start the shot clock for the county commission so that we could ultimately appoint someone if they do not.

[6:28:48] is that right? Okay, can you bring us back up the relevant resolution?

[6:28:54] Yes, so staff would propose if council desires to direct staff to do this,

[6:28:59] bring for us to bring back a resolution during the next meeting for council to adopt.

[6:29:03] Once you guys adopt this and let me back up, this is a general statute provision. It just provides

[6:29:08] a path for the council to make the county appointment if the county has not done that.

[6:29:14] that. So once the council would adopt the resolution that we bring back next meeting,

[6:29:18] we would submit that to the county which would trigger that formal, even though we've

[6:29:22] been in contact with the county pretty frequently, it would trigger that formal request to the

[6:29:27] county to take action and make an appointment. If the county did not make an appointment

[6:29:31] within 90 days, the city council could make that appointment instead of the county.

[6:29:39] So again,

[6:29:40] And that would be if the council desires we could bring back a resolution at the next meeting for potential adoption.

[6:29:46] Yes, please, yes, please bring back the resolution.

[6:29:54] Yeah, so we'll bring that back.

[6:30:00] Board, three regular vacancies, terms of three members are expiring, all would wish to be considered for appointment. Bob Edgerton, Jeff Habner, and April love. Move to reappoint. All in favor, aye. I'll oppose. Okay. Thank you. Report and recommendation of the city attorney. Thank you, Mayor and members at council. What you have before you is a resolution that, excuse me, a resolution that establishes a policy that council will not appoint the same individual to serve.

[6:30:29] concurrently on more than one land planning board of commission since they have

[6:30:35] overlapping jurisdiction.

[6:30:39] Yes. Second. All in favor? All opposed. Okay. That concludes my report.

[6:30:48] All right. City clerk. We'll for approval minutes. Second.

[6:30:55] As the only thing standing

[6:30:57] any between you and adjournment?

[6:30:58] We submit our adjournment.

[6:31:00] I'm in charge.

[6:31:01] I'm in charge of approval.

[6:31:03] They get moved and sorted.

[6:31:04] Yep, all in favor?

[6:31:06] Aye.

[6:31:07] All opposed.

[6:31:08] All right.

[6:31:08] And then Jonathan Lambert-Melton has already departed.

[6:31:12] I also have another engagement.

[6:31:15] So Mayor Pro Tem will chair the closed session.

[6:31:20] But I'll go ahead and make the motion to enter into closed

[6:31:23] session pursuant to general statute 143-318-118-3.

[6:31:27] to consult with the city attorney in order to preserve attorney-client privilege and to consider and give instructions regarding the handling and or settlement of a potential claim in the following matters.

[6:31:37] Words in construction versus the city of Raleigh.

[6:31:40] General statute 143-318-11A4 to discuss matters relating to the location or expansion of industries or other businesses within the city, including consideration of economic development incentives that may be offered by the city and negotiations.

[6:31:52] General statute 143-318-11-A5 to establish or instruct the city staff or negotiating agents concerning the position to be taken by or behalf of the city, and negotiating the terms of contract to the acquisition of real property by purchase option exchange or least so moved all in favor I all opposed and that passes and we are in close session.

[7:03:06] Calle City Council met in closed session. There is nothing to report. So we are adjourned.

City Council Meeting - Third Tuesday - Work Session (11:30am) & Afternoon Session (1:00pm)

Transcript