[0:00] 22nd meeting over the overconsufficiency commission, we're already going to be joining the budget committee.

[0:08] I'd like to lead you to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, on the

[0:16] in the middle of the building, and that's just for all of you.

[0:43] Good evening, Mark Mariano.

[0:45] With O'Connor 360, if you ever hope it tonight,

[0:49] representing Frank Correllah for the 129 Mississippi Project.

[0:58] This is a notice of intent.

[1:01] We had submitted an October of 25 in which then we

[1:08] did the in-red in-red was approved, and this updates the site with the new house that's proposed by Mr.

[1:17] Perrella.

[1:19] The current site, as shown, shows the wetlands as was approved on the in-red that was approved

[1:25] in August of 2026,

[1:29] with work that's found within the regulatory areas to be a single-family

[1:34] portions of the Title V septic system site grading in a proposing ground pool in

[1:41] site well. The site will be controlled by erosion controls, and we'll have a double

[1:50] erosion control around the slurry pit for the well, and there will also be signs around

[1:58] the property that delineate the riparian zone

[2:03] and we do have. So the existing if you were out there

[2:08] today you have your existing tree line found here. So the line is coming in quite a bit away from

[2:17] that to mitigate space into the riparian zone. On our original submission I believe we took or

[2:24] requesting 8-9% of a very perians' own take in this misinformation we're only taking 1%.

[2:31] The purpose of that is to allow for constructability of the future pool and controls around that.

[2:42] As far as the plan goes itself, I don't have any issues.

[2:49] There are lots of questions I have about the plans. Mark, you weren't here at the meeting.

[2:53] Last meeting. Rachel covered for me.

[2:57] She told you about our new regulations.

[2:59] Everything's going to be submitted by the day.

[3:04] But there's also a matter of how.

[3:05] Because we really respect the engineers and we trust them.

[3:09] And if the plan wasn't perfect, we'd say just fix it.

[3:12] And that's no longer the case.

[3:16] So there are a few issues here that you're going to have to fix.

[3:20] Okay.

[3:20] Do I.

[3:21] I do appreciate the fact that you have really reduced the taking and I think that's within a

[3:27] workable limit.

[3:29] One thing you don't have is no matter what DEP insists, any taking of any of any of any of

[3:35] any of your riparian zones or BVW requires an alternative analysis if you don't have one.

[3:41] There was one originally submitted with this project.

[3:43] It's the whole different thing.

[3:45] You're talking 9% before and now we're at 1%.

[3:48] And so you've got to adjust for what you're taking, which, in other words, you've got to,

[3:55] you know, the eternal analysis isn't the narrative or what you're doing.

[3:59] It's what, yeah, that's not the eternal analysis up there.

[4:03] The eternal analysis is that you look at several places on the plan, on the field,

[4:09] and no other place will work except that one, and then you give the reason why.

[4:15] The it's got a problem, but I'm just saying if you need to be flyers

[4:21] So you've got to have a real internal internal analysis

[4:26] When you submit your plans

[4:28] All right, which you don't have with this. This is a new plan in the sense because you have changed the number of things to the better

[4:35] To the better well, yes, well new owner

[4:38] Prop and it's completely different house another thing is is on this plan that I have that you that was submitted

[4:46] on the first, your inner riparian zone isn't accurate.

[4:51] You're using the old inner riparian zone,

[4:55] and then you didn't adjust it for when we changed the flagging.

[4:59] Oh, they saw it.

[5:00] You see where it is?

[5:02] Yeah, but you don't like 50 hits away?

[5:04] Yeah, but it still falls within the beat.

[5:05] Oh, no, but it's gotta be accurate.

[5:11] And really, those are the two big things that I had.

[5:18] So that's fine there and everything else that I don't have any issues with.

[5:21] How about you guys?

[5:23] Oh, what do you think?

[5:24] I don't have anything that.

[5:26] I don't have anything that.

[5:28] I don't have anything that.

[5:29] Yeah?

[5:30] I'll show it.

[5:30] You all said.

[5:32] Okay, so you've got to fix the, you've got to fix the plans.

[5:36] So we all agree that this is going to work.

[5:40] All right, you need the alternative analysis.

[5:42] Not what you have at the top there.

[5:44] Alternative analysis and just listing the total riparian zone

[5:47] and this and that.

[5:48] And you need to fix the inner riparian line.

[5:52] We should close.

[5:53] You should even have to come in for that one.

[5:56] Fix those plans and deliver them.

[5:58] You'll be all set.

[5:59] Okay.

[6:00] Okay.

[6:00] The body is that is the outer riparian zone correct?

[6:04] Yeah, that's correct.

[6:04] That's correct.

[6:05] What it looks like.

[6:06] So you just forgot to change.

[6:08] Just into the offset.

[6:09] Changing.

[6:10] All right.

[6:10] You're going to ask for continuance.

[6:12] But this applies to everybody now more.

[6:14] Okay.

[6:14] So just so we're clear, it's, um, alternatives analysis and adjusting in our

[6:20] Appearance online.

[6:20] Updated, alternative analysis.

[6:22] Updated and then assuming the alternative analysis looks good, then you should

[6:25] be ready to go.

[6:26] Yeah.

[6:26] This is a much better point than the original.

[6:28] Great.

[6:28] Okay.

[6:28] I'm going to make a motion in that we grant the offensive request for continuance until

[6:33] October 6.

[6:34] Check it. All in favour? Aye. Any opposed?

[6:37] Next slide. Thank you. Okay.

[6:40] Rob, may I ask.

[6:51] Are you setting up Rob?

[6:53] Mr. Paul, 1.5 people in.

[6:55] Uh, I got a proposal.

[6:57] How many people here are for 154 agricultural.

[7:00] Just raise your hands.

[7:03] Um, but those who may not know this is an enrave.

[7:07] It's an abbreviated notice of resource array delineated.

[7:12] The only reason for this, just staring here, is to determine the accuracy of the delineation

[7:18] of the boring vegetative wetlands.

[7:21] Nothing else.

[7:23] All right.

[7:24] So, after Rob, you know, it's just, we just want to know the accuracy.

[7:27] We don't even know if, in theory, what,

[7:30] What they're going to do with this property or anything else? So after Rob, this is his presentation, and we

[7:36] can finish with our questions. I'm going to open it up to the audience for questions. But the questions

[7:43] have to be related to the ordering, vegetative, wetlands. You know whether or not you know there

[7:48] are more on there, but if you ask me, how many houses we don't have an answer? Where are the roads?

[7:54] We don't know, we don't have any answer.

[7:56] It's only the accuracy of the line or whether or not

[8:00] there are more wetlands on the property or not.

[8:02] There's only thing that we can talk about tonight.

[8:06] All right, Rob.

[8:07] Good evening.

[8:08] My name is Rob Davis from Insight Engineering, 1539,

[8:11] follow over Avenue and Seacock.

[8:13] We had the in-red review done by peer review.

[8:18] Mr. Brad Holmes from Environmental Consulting

[8:20] restoration. He submitted his review memo number two, dated September 22nd, 2026. We had made

[8:30] our modifications to the flagging as requested in his original review memo. We conceded every

[8:38] point. They were relatively minor and be glad to walk through those changes with a commission.

[8:43] starting at the top on page two. The flag spacing was a concern. They wanted us to tighten

[8:52] up some of the flagging. This route is in the area of the area of the flagging.

[9:11] I'm

[9:12] portion of the V series here, and down on the bottom in this area here for the V series.

[9:23] Next, he had a concern about the C series between 65 and C66.

[9:30] That's in this area here.

[9:32] We added this little finger of flagging, well, it's ran up a little bit, but we've conceded

[9:39] this wetland boundary here for added C65A through 65L in this area.

[9:47] Next, you had to concern about the flagging between C10 and C11.

[9:54] That's on page number one.

[10:03] It was actually a small isolated area here

[10:06] on the north side of this existing cart path.

[10:09] It was hydrochlorically connected based on this 15-inch HDP-E-Colver here.

[10:16] We located that culvert, and we added flags C10A through C10F in this area here.

[10:27] Next, back on number two, there was a concern about a connection.

[10:34] It's a little connection between the V series

[10:40] and the Z series here.

[10:45] We added flags Z8A through Z8E in this area here, connecting this side of the wetland.

[10:56] And this side of the wetland was connected by adding Z21A through Z21C.

[11:03] So now there's a little connection of wetlands.

[11:06] The saw is connected in here.

[11:11] Last, there is a cart path that goes through,

[11:14] it's a well pronounced cart path that goes through

[11:17] this area here.

[11:19] He made note of specific hydraulic connection between

[11:23] specific wetland flags.

[11:26] One of those connections across the cart path is here.

[11:33] On the third crossing,

[11:35] At the second crossing is here, and at the third crossing is here with the connected flags

[11:43] as noted in Mr. Holmes review. There was also a note of the perennial stream that was

[11:54] the blue line stream that was shown on the original plan. We discussed it at the last meeting.

[11:59] that was actually proven to be intermittent based on a filing that was done for this property

[12:06] here, so we've shown that as an intermittent stream. Again, we conceded each of the

[12:12] points that Mr. Holmes had referenced. I'd be happy to answer any questions for that.

[12:19] I'm happy with it. How about you guys? You guys have done everything that Brad did to just.

[12:28] Yeah, I'm sorry, Rob, I was a little quick for me, but there was going to be a

[12:34] the culvert for between 10 and 11.

[12:37] Is that shown?

[12:40] And that's the sky.

[12:42] Where are he?

[12:43] On page 1.

[12:44] Mr. Abjada says a 15.

[12:46] 15.

[12:50] I know Brad is dead. Put it in there.

[12:52] Okay, I see.

[12:54] All right.

[12:55] I missed that, it was because it's between two flags there.

[13:00] All right.

[13:02] Yeah, no, I'm also.

[13:04] Anybody else on the board?

[13:08] Pedro, I'll set.

[13:10] OK, I'm going to open it up to the public deck.

[13:12] Do you have any questions?

[13:15] You can pull up here and state your name and address, OK?

[13:21] Nobody has any questions or concerns?

[13:27] All right.

[13:31] All right, I'm going to make a motion then that we close the public hearing.

[13:35] I'll check that.

[13:36] All in favor?

[13:37] Aye.

[13:38] And I'm going to make a motion that we issue an orad with the discussed revisions for 154A.

[13:48] And I'll check that.

[13:49] All in favor?

[13:52] Now, the next step, if they plan to do any work on it, they'll be sending out green

[13:57] cards again.

[13:58] That'll be for the NOIs, for whatever the work they want to do.

[14:02] You'll be gave.

[14:03] All the embutons again will get notices like you did for this.

[14:07] And that'll be for any project that they plan to do on this property.

[14:11] All right.

[14:12] Thanks, Rob.

[14:12] Thank you.

[14:24] Okay, number three, star holdings, all right this one year, this has, what happened was, we closed

[14:34] 56, 48 went to the street by mistake, there was no SE number.

[14:41] So what we have to do is we have to rescind the boat, rescind the orders, and then take a new boat by

[14:48] by stating the SC number, all right?

[14:52] So, do I have to just recent the orders condition?

[14:55] You've got to make a motion to recent the orders that we've passed for 48 went through.

[14:59] All right, I'm going to...

[15:00] Make a motion that now for 48 Winthrop Street, SC-60-1456 that we rescind the orders to conditions.

[15:07] Because there was no, SC number.

[15:09] Because there's no SC number.

[15:11] Second.

[15:12] All are favor?

[15:13] Aye.

[15:13] Can you vote from there?

[15:15] Okay. Now for 48 Winthrop Street, SC-60-1456.

[15:20] Now that we have the DP number, I'm going to make a motion that we assures conditions.

[15:24] Y'all second.

[15:26] All are favor?

[15:26] Aye.

[15:27] Okay. So now we do that formally.

[15:28] All right, Boudreau can I be lame?

[15:35] Do you want to check that out?

[15:36] Do you want me to do it?

[15:37] Did you guys want to?

[15:38] We didn't get to it.

[15:39] We didn't get to it.

[15:40] All right.

[15:41] Okay.

[15:42] All right.

[15:42] What happened this weekend with the tough weekend?

[15:46] Steve's away.

[15:48] Not doing your hard to do a job.

[15:50] But he had to get out before the rain.

[15:52] And obviously, I was too sick to go out.

[15:57] And by the time they got done with the sight walks that they did,

[16:00] they had done one time to do it.

[16:01] OK, there's two that they could not do.

[16:04] So you're going to need to continue it.

[16:06] Yes, one in the next one, or what's the next one?

[16:09] We did that one.

[16:11] OK.

[16:11] OK, they did all the other one.

[16:12] We did all your wrongs.

[16:13] This is seven wheel.

[16:14] We can discuss that.

[16:16] But let's first continue this.

[16:18] That we open the meetings when you continue it, right?

[16:21] We'll make a motion after 10 out of the lane.

[16:23] We ran the applicant's request for a continuous until October 6.

[16:27] All of favor?

[16:28] All right.

[16:28] And you're opposed.

[16:29] OK.

[16:33] Good

[16:38] evening Mark Markman with OK-Longing 360 for you to wrap with a little bit of mass.

[16:42] Representing John DeBally for the applicant in the owner Mary Goldberg for the notice from 10.

[16:49] To construct a single family home at 67 Wheeler Street.

[16:53] 67 Wheeler Street is a 4.15 acre lot.

[16:57] There is resource areas on the front in the rear of the property.

[17:02] We are proposing a single family house, the single family house would be a four-bedroom house with a attach garage.

[17:10] There is a driveway that's going to stretch from wheel history to the proposed house.

[17:17] The resource areas that we are working with in is a vegetated wetlands from the north and to the south.

[17:23] There's no riverfront found on this property.

[17:25] the proposed areas are we have a septic, a Title V septic found west of the house, and we have our proposed well found south of the house.

[17:44] There is additional wetlands found for the back, but we are only looking to have an approval on the lines identified above.

[17:54] So the entire site will be controlled within the resource area in buffer zone by erosion controls.

[18:03] The post-inscience are indicated as such.

[18:07] So the nuance to this law is we do have a minor replication area.

[18:13] The driveway coming back to the area that we have here is going to be taking approximately 260 square.

[18:23] of vegetated wetlands, the rash,

[18:30] the head all my notes, I think I'll have to move over there.

[18:33] We had prepared a genetic analysis to define what in the reasons we're doing that.

[18:38] First off, the, the, the, the resource here comes to a small point.

[18:43] That point is a steep slope.

[18:48] So the issues of trying to get around that would be, you know, the radius of that in the driveway

[18:53] it would be a lot closer to a neighbor.

[18:56] So the way we engineer this is that we try to maximize the distance

[19:00] from the neighbor we provided shielding to the neighbor to the west.

[19:04] We also are providing grading so that there is a swell

[19:07] between the neighbor and this driveway to prevent any runoff

[19:10] from going into the neighbor and property.

[19:13] So the neighbor to the east as well we have made design

[19:16] and situations to prevent any sort of runoff to approach

[19:22] that property.

[19:22] Now, that property is at a higher elevation, but we did intentionally provide swells from the

[19:29] edge of the driveway that will sheet water away as detailed in these notes found

[19:33] right here.

[19:36] The point of which we are taking this wetland area is far too big to be a kettle or anything

[19:45] that was natural occurring.

[19:46] It was likely that it increased in size from some gravel activities at some point and it

[19:51] in this lifetime,

[19:55] so the 260 square foot little point that we are taking is not strong wetland

[20:04] area and we're creating more of a wetland replication area found on the property and that

[20:10] buffer zone would need to be affecting our particular property in that case.

[20:15] The plants that we are proposing are high bush blueberry, winter berry, and sweet pepper bush.

[20:22] Similar types of agitation that are found in that area.

[20:27] We are also lowering the grade and elevation to match the existing wetland area.

[20:31] The wetland soils shall match and be a standard wetland mix.

[20:36] than it should be overseeded with a New England,

[20:41] New England wetland, plants wetland and seed mix as well.

[20:46] Grading considerations have been taken

[20:49] in account to consider everything surrounding it.

[20:54] I mean, this is a lot that was created in the 60s

[20:58] and has just not been developed since.

[21:01] the this land also abuts the rear of Miller bird sanctuary as well. Coming off of

[21:11] of where weel street we are cutting into the grave there and then we are doing

[21:17] some minor cutering and filling as we come along and trying to keep the

[21:22] grades as similar coming up. Where the house is proposed is on a higher

[21:27] So we are able to get the house into the ground and then because of that contouring, we then have

[21:34] Conterered the property to have a partial walkout in this partial section of the basement.

[21:40] The rest is retained by boulders and rocks.

[21:44] All toe of slope is kept at least 10 feet from a property line and from a form of edited wetland as well.

[21:51] The well as proposed will be protected also by erosion controls and we'll have the dedicated

[22:00] slurry pit for that.

[22:05] Other features we do have a concrete wash-out pit we have the track pad

[22:08] found to the north of the entry coming in and what we see as erosion control also represents

[22:19] Okay, Dave, you guys want to...

[22:22] Yeah, Tom, I went and two out of three in the math, but...

[22:29] ...and I...

[22:30] You know, it's interesting, you're talking about the grappling, is they really think about that, because we saw just kind of impressions in the ground there that looked like, oh, of course there were vehicles there, now it makes it, it makes a little sense.

[22:40] It makes sense. And before, as we looked at the plans, you know, we had a small discussion of like, you know, what does that replication area doing like, all the way over there?

[22:51] But then we got on the site and I think the replication areas is properly located because

[22:58] because of the contours.

[23:00] Exactly.

[23:01] The place where levels out and then comes up.

[23:03] And I mean there's so much water in that system that it should come back pretty quickly.

[23:11] When you do set up replication areas and in place like that, do you put erosion controls on

[23:16] the uphill side as well as the downhill side?

[23:20] Oh, you're saying, like, where the post and signs are to be?

[23:25] We have it in the front side.

[23:28] And the rose patrols should be in place until ground is stabilized.

[23:32] So you're protecting the, the further most.

[23:35] I'm just saying, the representation area is not.

[23:38] There's no erosion controls between the replication area and the construction.

[23:41] Right?

[23:42] No, not in this case.

[23:43] All right.

[23:44] Because it's such a small area too.

[23:46] Okay.

[23:54] You guys have any questions or any concerns?

[23:59] You're all set.

[24:01] All right.

[24:02] I don't have anything with it.

[24:05] Is anybody in the audience?

[24:07] Yeah.

[24:08] More no.

[24:10] Yeah.

[24:11] You have to get your name and address.

[24:20] All right.

[24:22] Yes, sir.

[24:26] So, I'm Nicholas Tergent, my wife Ashley Tergent,

[24:29] we're 57 French.

[24:32] There's one thing on the planes, I don't see, we look that.

[24:35] We have, when we bought our house.

[24:37] From Marigoldberg, they go to both plots, prior.

[24:41] There's a French train system that runs out into that property.

[24:44] That was told that was...

[24:45] By property.

[24:47] Can you show us what you're talking about?

[24:49] It's directly left.

[24:49] It's literally right where the well is.

[24:52] And I think you guys were out there, Sunday.

[24:54] We were out back waiting and we didn't see you come back.

[24:57] Oh yeah, that was me.

[24:59] Okay, so

[25:04] where's it?

[25:05] We were right there.

[25:07] It's on.

[25:08] We were we were we didn't quite go.

[25:11] So.

[25:14] Tell us about this French train now.

[25:16] So this French train when we were closing on our house.

[25:20] It was shown to us to be on our property.

[25:22] Something that we should maintain regularly.

[25:24] Make sure it's clear that way the water would flow.

[25:26] It's marked. We were walked out there by the Goldbergs himself the day of the closing.

[25:30] We were shown where it was, how to maintain it, how to clean it out.

[25:34] So we've been doing that.

[25:36] And what's as it drains, actually?

[25:38] Our entire house. So our...

[25:40] Your house goes in a gutters from your roof.

[25:43] Everything goes under a ground through a French drain.

[25:47] And they all litter the French drain.

[25:50] Is directly next to where the well is proposed.

[25:52] On that current, can you show us where your house will be located?

[25:57] about. Right near the well. So are, yep, it's right here. It wears the French

[26:02] Drain Go. The French Drain is about right here. So it, it's a straight

[26:07] shop tour. It was right to the wetlands. Yes. And that was, I don't know, when it

[26:13] was put in, I have, I'm a first name basis for everybody at the town now, because

[26:18] I've tried to get permits. I've tried to get records, property lines, so our

[26:22] other concern is we have three concerns mainly. Property lines, they're all listed as approximate

[26:28] boundaries. So we don't know where our actual boundary lines are because when they came and

[26:34] did the survey, they did approximate. So everything's just based on approximate at this

[26:39] point. Our second concern with the pond, we don't have the pond, when they backfill some

[26:47] of that pond in or build a wall or do anything with the pond, what's that water flow

[26:52] going to do because our driveway runs directly on the other side of it.

[26:56] So that water coming, pushing out on the other side, what's that going to do to our drive?

[27:01] So that one, I think I could put you where we stir as quick.

[27:04] Because the amount they're taking is about 200 square feet, that's like 20 by 10.

[27:11] And the amount they're putting in is actually larger than that.

[27:16] So even with it, I mean, you've lost a tiny bit of water storage, but they've actually provided

[27:21] more than that. And that is within our preview and we're satisfied that the water

[27:28] link capacity and that system will not change.

[27:31] Okay, so that one does get high. So right now it's low but it does get high. So it

[27:39] flows up to the almost the edge of our driveway. Right, the survey that we can't

[27:45] address that. That's a civil thing. That's something else beyond our control.

[27:51] Well, the French drain goes into the wetlands.

[27:55] Well, it doesn't.

[27:56] If you say it goes by the well, that goes by the well.

[27:58] But she says it goes into the wetlands.

[28:01] It's probably.

[28:02] It's right out of flag.

[28:03] It's probably 10 feet off of that.

[28:05] Where that's marked for the well.

[28:09] Like, just to give us the number.

[28:10] I'm looking there playing tells.

[28:12] But what?

[28:15] So, we walked Rachel and John out there.

[28:19] So they Rachel marked it with GPS.

[28:24] So these two flags, which numbers, A6 and A61?

[28:31] Oh, okay, but outside the airport work.

[28:34] So it's, we could bring that the airport a little bit more.

[28:37] So you're seeing it somewhere between.

[28:40] It's a straight line though.

[28:42] So where you're going to be drilling this well?

[28:44] I don't know.

[28:45] We don't know where that part goes.

[28:47] It's like, is, you know what I'm saying, or what it is under there?

[28:51] This is an interesting key.

[28:54] I'm not.

[28:55] And then secondary to that, obviously Mark, my concern was, how do we maintain something

[28:59] that's, you know, now isn't on your property?

[29:03] I hope so.

[29:03] When you say, when you say it's a French train, there's an outlet that's going to

[29:08] something that's dug in the ground under the ground.

[29:11] Can you locate that?

[29:12] Do you know exactly where it is?

[29:14] We have a sign on it.

[29:15] Yeah, we put it on the other side.

[29:17] When you did your water work,

[29:18] what's the little confusing is

[29:21] two through each, not a French drain.

[29:23] The French drain is installed around the bottom of your foundation.

[29:27] It probably can't refer to some point.

[29:29] It probably just,

[29:31] a stormwater collection.

[29:34] Yeah.

[29:34] These all of our...

[29:36] So all of our gutters,

[29:38] there are drains all around the foundation.

[29:40] So they did have water coming into

[29:43] 57 at some point, and then that's when they had done something in a few minutes.

[29:49] Yeah, and we've been on the chase to try to figure out what was on when we've done, right, all those good things.

[29:55] How old are you house?

[29:57] I also studied in the 80s, 84.

[30:01] And they were the original owners.

[30:03] Do you have any documentation with the deed that says that that's yours and the activity or anything?

[30:09] No, we don't.

[30:09] We just have some.

[30:10] I have been writing from Mary's name.

[30:12] We give other people's land away.

[30:15] I have it.

[30:15] I have it in writing from the the prior homeowner and the owner of this land that that is our drain and that she would ensure that that wasn't.

[30:24] Right.

[30:24] But there's no easement on it.

[30:26] No, she'd dated because they owned both lots.

[30:28] they never did that.

[30:31] Well, this is really an conservation matter, but we got a mark right here.

[30:35] What do you do for these guys, Mark?

[30:37] I don't know. I got to figure out what you're coming out for elevation.

[30:41] I mean, we're not trying to stop a bill.

[30:44] It's just, we want to make sure that we protect.

[30:46] We just bought the house a year ago.

[30:48] We just want to make sure we protect.

[30:51] So it's attached to the gutters, the basement.

[30:53] We have a de-commitifying system in the basement.

[30:57] and a some pump in the basement that's all attached to that and then all of the gutters and there's

[31:02] um like great in the ground around the foundation and I think the confusion was that they owned

[31:11] you know that the time they go over it's like no big deal but um our well is only four feet off

[31:18] the property line like but they had originally had it listed in the front of the house so there's been

[31:22] I mean, that gets done.

[31:24] I mean, yeah.

[31:25] So they have somewhere around the elevation 38,

[31:27] but their house is probably seated around the elevation 50.

[31:33] Yeah, and I want to say that stretch is like 86 feet.

[31:36] Yeah, that's what we're talking about right here, right?

[31:39] Our house is directly next to our well.

[31:41] Yeah, so it's like right here.

[31:44] The only thing I can suggest is you're going to have to get

[31:52] representing John de Valle, the John de Valle is going to sell it, so who knows what the new one is going to do?

[32:00] We've already, you know, John de Valle.

[32:04] This is, this is actually outside of us. This is more of a civil.

[32:12] This, John.

[32:14] Hello.

[32:16] I think, obviously boils down to the elevation.

[32:19] There was a way to broaden, but we all know what the elevation is all about there.

[32:25] Yeah, so they're 15 here, but they're all getting at 37.

[32:29] So if it depends upon where it's leading up here.

[32:33] So like, I would have to get into the house to measure, like, where everything was in there.

[32:37] I know I'm just wondering if it could just not get into your whole yacht, close to somewhere over here,

[32:43] depending on how it drops off.

[32:46] Yeah, I mean...

[32:47] What do you want to do something like that?

[32:49] Well, we don't want to move.

[32:51] Right.

[32:51] Because everything's functioning the way it is.

[32:53] Well, that's fine.

[32:54] I'm going to work it out with the owners then.

[32:56] I'm just trying to primate a wheel concern.

[32:58] Yes.

[32:59] You probably would want to intercept it at some point in there, right?

[33:02] Because your yard drops to see elevation in the rear.

[33:09] I mean, if there was something on a recorded plan that showed it a

[33:11] French train to never going to show up on a plan, even from home.

[33:14] We've had from 10 years ago.

[33:24] I mean, if it was on an easement or a deed, or something like that, so I think the best way would be to try to reroute it, it might be all in a work on that.

[33:33] Yeah, the best thing would be to keep it on your property, like run it like two or three feet off of your property.

[33:38] In the thing when we put in the markers that set a approximate, we mean that's within like inches.

[33:45] So like for surveyors, we set it with our GPS, so like that's within, you know, a six-inch diameter circle.

[33:53] Yeah, because the angles don't look right. So if you look at the front of the property,

[33:57] you've got the angles on their side or going this way, but we have, we have monument markers

[34:02] on the other side that are going the opposite way of where your markers are.

[34:06] So what I can say is that this line ties in with a GB,

[34:10] which is the work term for a granite found

[34:13] that we had found in coincides with what's

[34:17] at Miller bird sanctuary in the corners of all these lots,

[34:21] because I'd have to double check.

[34:23] This is unregistered.

[34:25] I think your land is registered land, which is land court.

[34:29] Yep, because if you look at the markers,

[34:32] the way that they're angled, the side comes this way.

[34:35] our side comes this way so it's I mean I'm you'd have to go out there and take but I

[34:41] mean we've got pictures and videos and again like like I said we've done our

[34:45] due diligence on our end with council so we ran our survey like I said we were

[34:49] within you know two two tenths of closure or which is like phenomenal or

[34:56] starting over so I'm pretty certain what we have here is is pretty damn accurate

[35:03] But yeah, I mean this is something that we would need to investigate here to locate and then my recommendation would be to

[35:13] to route it in a manner that would keep it onto your property because it becomes a ordinance.

[35:20] like basically we have to hit if you're if this thing's at elevation see it's

[35:30] so let's say we're at 47, 47, 47, 3 feet down all right it's easier to

[35:36] daylight in that in that way to get it beyond everything here because they

[35:42] but likely follow the contour there's no way that they went in and dug a super deep

[35:47] to try to get this amount. And less your sump pump leaves like three inches off of floor

[35:52] of your house. You'd be able to answer that button.

[35:57] You know, I really think that this really isn't a

[36:02] conservation factor. I mean, whatever solution

[36:04] come up with is not going to be a narrow weather.

[36:07] Yeah, so basically what we're asking is that this isn't approved right away until there is

[36:11] further.

[36:12] You can do that.

[36:14] Because if this is more of a civil thing, you don't have any wreck, if there's no easement, like, like, marks, uh,

[36:23] without us something like that, you don't have any legal recourse. The only way I can see it is you move this, you move this, you move this on top.

[36:31] You move your drainage system to a little place.

[36:34] So what I'll do is I'll take the tax passengers from Mary, that and I'll bring that to Mary.

[36:39] We can't hold up a loop. We can't leave the loop.

[36:41] Yeah, I have it from the homeowner those stating that it is art art, so I'll just

[36:48] If we have to get council we will

[36:50] I think they're right thing by coming by

[36:55] Like we said, it's not a country

[37:03] Yeah, hopefully you guys can figure something out. Yeah, thank you

[37:15] Okay, so for 67 Wheeler Street, I'm going to make a motion that we close the public hearing.

[37:20] I'm talking about.

[37:21] All in favour?

[37:23] And then for 67 Wheeler, I'm going to make a motion that we should order as a condition.

[37:28] All in favour?

[37:29] Perfect.

[37:30] I can't wait.

[37:35] All right. The silver 29 molten.

[37:58] Bob, there are the proletty, Mary representing the silver.

[38:04] Are you guys?

[38:12] Okay.

[38:13] Based on the last meeting, we revised the plan, showing on the plan view,

[38:18] the four locations where the science will be placed around the B line and the three locations

[38:24] where they'll be placed on the A line. I also noted that in the detail where the buffer

[38:32] boundary sign is shown on the plan. The second thing that we did was we extended the proposed stone wall

[38:41] around the well, instead of Timmy at the well, we just

[38:46] we brought it back around as requested.

[38:50] Then we added the pump-out area, eight by eight,

[38:54] eight bail area in the vicinity of the well,

[38:57] so that during the installation operations,

[39:00] the slowly can go into that.

[39:03] And then the fourth thing was we added the

[39:06] wrap track pad at the entrance where the driveway is proposed.

[39:13] Okay, yeah, you did everything we asked.

[39:16] I'm just going to say, is anybody in the audience for the silver?

[39:21] Okay.

[39:22] Well, you've done everything we asked, Rob.

[39:24] Okay.

[39:25] I don't see any issues alone.

[39:26] I don't need anything.

[39:27] Yeah, good.

[39:28] Okay.

[39:29] Then for 20 AM all time, make a motion that we close the public hearing.

[39:32] Second.

[39:33] All in favour?

[39:34] Aye.

[39:34] Any opposed?

[39:36] Okay, and for tonight I'm all 10. I'm going to make a motion. The issue order is the conditions.

[39:42] Okay.

[39:42] Thank you.

[39:49] Okay.

[39:52] Good evening.

[39:52] 177.

[40:27] Good evening.

[40:28] For the record now, I was able to see if consulting engineers.

[40:31] At the last hearing, I believe the commission had not had a chance to go off to the site.

[40:37] So I know that was still something that had to be addressed.

[40:40] And then the only other comment that I believe was brought up was the Wackland Buffer boundary signage,

[40:47] which we recommended to put them at flags 4, 6 and 8, which I believe we did.

[40:53] So, I am here to address any questions that you might have other than those.

[41:00] Are you going to take it?

[41:02] I don't know.

[41:03] Yep, went out there on the sidewalk on Sunday and flags are properly placed.

[41:08] The project looks good.

[41:10] There is a little bit of yard debris in the resource area, a little bit towards summer

[41:14] streets, so maybe your applicant can pull that out, but it's a job by hand.

[41:19] There's like not a lot to it.

[41:23] Any thoughts, man?

[41:25] You guys?

[41:26] You guys also?

[41:27] That looks good.

[41:27] all set. Anybody here for 77 summer street in the audience, questions?

[41:35] All right, so for summer, 77 summer street, I'm going to make a motion. I'll be close to public hearing.

[41:41] I'll check in for a favor.

[41:44] And for 77 summer street, I'm going to make a motion that leash orders condition.

[41:48] Second.

[41:49] All the favor?

[41:50] Thank you.

[41:57] Okay, 80 maids in the street that we hold with the land trust because we did not get a chance to go out there.

[42:02] Um, Dan Colden and he's asking questions to you.

[42:06] Okay.

[42:06] So you're going to make a motion.

[42:08] I make a motion that we grant the applicant's request for a continuing for 80 maids in the street until October 6th.

[42:15] All in favour?

[42:16] Aye.

[42:16] Then you're opposed.

[42:17] Okay.

[42:19] Mark.

[42:22] This is the number nine,

[42:34] right?

[42:38] Scott Adams are the Vantage Nering Group representing the applicant's in

[42:41] this.

[42:42] This is a 31 star lane.

[42:45] One of the few last remaining developed blocks.

[42:55] As shown in the drawings, it's a SSS platform, a lot of 58,

[42:59] and has a address of 31 star lane, which is located on the eastern

[43:03] side of Star Lane on a 50 foot wide public right away.

[43:08] Equal system solutions revisited the site.

[43:10] They've actually been out there a couple of times now

[43:11] over the years, but they revisited the site for the wetland line

[43:15] that we're put back.

[43:17] They have a report dated September 8, 2026,

[43:20] where they placed 15 flags.

[43:24] Relatively close to center, going north south on the site,

[43:27] which is a two and a half acre residential parcel.

[43:30] comes up maybe six, seven feet in elevation and kind of levels off.

[43:35] I'm not sure I try to get all the day and I think he's out obviously this week,

[43:39] but I'm not sure if the board had a chance to walk this one over the weekend.

[43:43] Yeah, wait a minute.

[43:48] I'll have to answer any questions the board may have right now as was previously discussed.

[43:51] It's just the approval of the wetland line.

[43:54] And then in the future there will be a single family house.

[43:56] Hopefully proposed at this location.

[43:58] So we did go out there on Sunday and we thought that and helped me out that because you were there to ask me.

[44:08] 9 through 12 looked about right and 1 through 8.

[44:14] Once through 8 and then 13 through 15 seemed to be a little bit far into the wetland.

[44:21] And it's interesting, because when Dr. Hewittson flagged

[44:25] this back in 2016 when the subdivision had the anaerad,

[44:31] we pulled up those plans.

[44:33] And we found some pieces of old flag and now we're probably

[44:36] from that, about 10 years old.

[44:40] And they were a bit uplens.

[44:43] So we didn't look at the soils then.

[44:44] We were looking at the vegetation and its apography.

[44:47] And it's sort of pure, sweet pepper bush.

[44:50] But if you look at the break and slope that fits for 9 through 12, it seems like 1 through 8 and 13 through 15, we're kind.

[45:00] In the system, and they were below the break of slope. I don't think this is going to stop you from doing your project, but there are some issues with these flags. I think when we go out there, we try to figure out the rationale for the flag.

[45:15] You know, and this was one something where it was just, it was kind of hard to do, I mean

[45:21] I couldn't tell like Flex, you know, two, three, and four.

[45:25] It looked like everything up, upland from like 15 feet or more looked just the same as what was considered a resource area.

[45:35] So, um, I'd like to, I mean maybe maybe you guys could take a second look, overlay the original

[45:42] or do a little bit more work on the soils, but right now, it's not really looking like an accurate donation to us.

[45:54] The only soil report we have here is the one that really agreeing with it.

[45:59] A 10, which is then 9 to 12.

[46:03] Dave said it was fine.

[46:05] But he has no other soil logs in the application.

[46:08] Okay, so just one clear, which, which flags are your 13, 14, 15 with the ones?

[46:14] No, um, it was, um, 9 through 12, is that right?

[46:19] Yes.

[46:20] So 9 through 12, we thought the ones north of that and south of that, um, need a little bit of revisiting.

[46:29] And, uh, since it's so much of the pepper bush, using the, um, the vegetation is hard to do.

[46:37] But the break-and-slope seems to be upland of where your flags are north and south of the ones that we like.

[46:48] Okay, so 9 through 12 a good and then so 8 through 1 through 8 you're saying 1 through 8 and 13 through 15.

[46:54] We'd like you to take a fresh look at.

[46:57] Oh, could you to make a motion on that?

[47:00] From rusting and you do something.

[47:02] Well, wait, wait, wait.

[47:03] Okay.

[47:04] So additional soils information, soils logs and either side of those areas.

[47:08] Yeah.

[47:08] We're going to provide more backup for his.

[47:11] And if you want to retide the flags, we'll go out there and look, but just some backup on that, all right?

[47:16] Okay. I'll request that from the Wetland Scientist.

[47:20] Okay. So we're trying to put everything in the form of motion. So what we're asking you to do then is

[47:29] we're asking you to re-examine once through 8 and 13 through 15. Give us more information on that.

[47:36] So I'm in that, that's a motion.

[47:39] I'll second that motion.

[47:40] All the favour?

[47:41] All the favour?

[47:41] OK.

[47:42] So we'll do that and then you're going to ask for a continuous, right?

[47:45] Yes.

[47:46] We're going to do before we do that.

[47:48] You here for this?

[47:50] Here we go.

[47:51] OK.

[47:52] Did you have any questions or, you heard your questions?

[47:56] We're 31 strolling.

[47:58] OK.

[47:59] OK.

[47:59] All right then.

[48:00] So for 31 star lane, for the hand red, I'm going to make a motion

[48:03] that we grant the applicants request ranking to humans until October 6th.

[48:09] All of a favor?

[48:10] Are you opposed?

[48:11] Okay.

[48:11] Thank you.

[48:20] All right.

[48:24] The next thing is discussion of commission regulations.

[48:29] Thank you.

[48:30] You all sure?

[48:33] You guys all got what Dan had sent in there.

[48:37] I kind of marked up what I thought would be better idea.

[48:45] You guys are getting ready?

[48:48] Well, on the first page there, the respect of submissions made in person by mail, that's fine, that's on the original, that are a, I've got some questions on this.

[49:02] All completed submissions must be received in the conservation of us, no later than we,

[49:12] Overclock on Wednesday prior to the, he says that the advertising date for the legal advertisement.

[49:19] That doesn't make any sense.

[49:21] I don't think so.

[49:22] Does it make any sense to you, Joe?

[49:23] No.

[49:23] You've got to take that legal advertisement out and say to the data of the upcoming meeting.

[49:31] That's what you're trying to say, right?

[49:33] No.

[49:33] When you continue on, they state that advertisements have to be five days before the public.

[49:43] All the advertisements must be posted at least five business days.

[49:46] Right. Not coming in the day of the meeting.

[49:52] So that's that paragraph A. We've got to figure this.

[49:57] All of the completed submissions must be received in the conservation office.

[50:00] no later than 12 o'clock on the Wednesday prior to the following meeting. How's that?

[50:09] He's saying the advertising gave for the legal advertisement is the advertisement says when

[50:13] the meeting is it's that day. If it's on the agenda, I would interpret that,

[50:32] right?

[50:32] Keep thinking.

[50:44] I would change it to prior to the advertised date for the upcoming meeting.

[50:55] So we're in the, all legal advertisements must be in an all completed submissions, must

[51:00] receive the conservation, no eaters, and 12 o'clock PM on the Wednesday prior to the

[51:07] have a tie is done.

[51:09] I have a tie is date.

[51:11] I have a tie.

[51:12] I have a tie.

[51:13] I have a tie.

[51:14] For the upcoming meeting.

[51:18] For the upcoming meeting.

[51:20] Not for the legal advertisement.

[51:26] For the upcoming meeting.

[51:39] All next paragraph.

[51:41] All legal advertisements must be published at least five business days prior to the public hearing

[51:46] or meeting, not counting the day of the meeting.

[51:53] And now this is the one thing that I don't get.

[51:55] And we legally tell them what newspaper to put it in?

[51:59] So yeah, because it's long as it's publicly advertised.

[52:04] Because the town, you all had that thing there

[52:06] about the hillside, that legal advertisement was the Gazette.

[52:11] So basically, we've got to reput it back in there

[52:14] that the taunt in Delhi Gazette, the son chronicle,

[52:19] or just any, if you just, not say what papers.

[52:23] I wouldn't say any papers. I would just say a publication serving there.

[52:31] So, on the day of the meeting in the Publications Serving the Town, in the publication serving the town?

[52:43] Yeah,

[52:51] realize I'm making a decision about this, I go.

[52:54] Yeah, we're all making this up, because that's the thing.

[53:03] Okay, we'll respect to the revised plans, supporting documents or any additional information documents,

[53:08] or documents to the commissioner review. All submissions must be received by 3 PM.

[53:14] The Thursday prior to the next schedule meeting of the commission.

[53:18] That's basically redundant to what you said in A.

[53:22] No, because that has a different time.

[53:24] I know. That's even worse.

[53:27] Here we've done it in a more on-piece of information.

[53:32] Is it 12 or less?

[53:33] And that's it.

[53:37] It'd be nice if you'd just ask Dan, what's the policy now?

[53:44] There isn't a policy.

[53:44] There is nothing.

[53:46] But there's no time now.

[53:47] I'd say it'd be good to leave the time the same if we could be one thing they don't have to remember.

[53:54] So what do you want to do?

[53:56] I don't think you need that section to see at all.

[54:00] This regards to if it's already been opened.

[54:03] Yeah, this is the one here where it comes in, this is when it comes in with a revised plan.

[54:07] Continuation of.

[54:09] That's what I'm saying.

[54:10] Oh, because it says already.

[54:12] All revised plans.

[54:13] I got it now.

[54:14] Yeah, just to go back for a second to that last one.

[54:18] From the three 10 CMR itself, from the skatelats,

[54:22] says notices for public meetings or hearings before conservation commission

[54:25] must appear in a newspaper of general circulation.

[54:28] That's the rex.

[54:31] It's just re-adrated as I'll use the atom, so I'll read it.

[54:36] Can you save that?

[54:37] I got it.

[54:38] I'll write it here.

[54:39] You write it, though.

[54:41] All right, so we're going to keep paragraph C.

[54:44] This example thing.

[54:45] I got rid of it.

[54:47] I mean, to me, we don't need to give examples.

[54:51] For example, we don't need any of that.

[54:56] OK, applications, and then below a, applications is another thing so that when we get applications

[55:04] like to get all screwed up, applications plans and other submitted documents must be

[55:10] accurate the time of submission. If there are inaccuracies in any submitted documents,

[55:15] the commission will not close the public hearing or issue any decisions until corrected,

[55:20] accurate documents are submitted until corrected accurate up. That one's okay. What do you think?

[55:26] Because that's what we've been having a complaint, they don't prove freedom what they're doing.

[55:33] You guys have any issues with that paragraph?

[55:38] What happens if the applicant doesn't ask for a read and extension?

[55:44] Then it's denied.

[55:45] But we don't say whether on the deny it here.

[55:48] We must say that we're gonna keep

[55:53] Okay, so then we should put down the applicant to ask for a continuous applicant must ask for a continuous.

[56:24] Then on the mass page, if at the public hearing, the commission requires changes to the submitted plans or additional information and documents.

[56:31] The applicant must submit the required materials prior to the review.

[56:38] Isn't that kind of what we did on the other one?

[56:42] That's redundant.

[56:43] OK.

[56:47] OK. So,

[56:56] how should we do this?

[56:57] You know, obviously we can't vote on the way it's right now because it's all, probably got.

[57:01] And we can vote for next. What's that?

[57:03] We can live for next meeting to get a fresh copy of this thing.

[57:07] We'll write it up and then vote on it.

[57:10] Yes.

[57:11] There's that little item on there.

[57:13] Did you find out about the executive session?

[57:17] We don't need it.

[57:19] We don't need it.

[57:23] Okay, okay, let's do the lawyer called Rob and then it's like you don't even like in a session.

[57:31] So it's your morning.

[57:34] Oh, oh, oh, there's no whole bar discussion.

[57:38] It's tough.

[57:40] It's tough negotiating on TV.

[57:43] Oh, no kidding.

[57:44] I was kind of stern to myself.

[57:47] But so I'll write this up.

[57:48] do we make a motion for you exactly what we've the draft, I think we should wait.

[57:54] Now, I'm not going to vote on the actual thing, but just we don't need to, we don't need to make a motion for to revise it.

[58:01] I don't think so.

[58:02] I don't think so.

[58:03] All right.

[58:07] Does that take care of that?

[58:12] The next thing is 72-warn Street.

[58:17] I don't have any information on what it looks like to see us here or not.

[58:23] All right.

[58:23] So we have to wait for Dan.

[58:24] Yeah, did you go out with there?

[58:28] The Dan ever call you?

[58:32] Because he was supposed to be the hook up with you or Steve.

[58:37] All right.

[58:38] So we'll have to just table that,

[58:40] make a motion to table it until the next meeting.

[58:43] All right, I'll make a motion.

[58:44] We table the discussion on the request for the CSE

[58:47] for 72 Martin Street.

[58:50] All right.

[58:51] The Healthside Country Club thing,

[58:53] that shouldn't even be on the agenda.

[58:55] Because we don't go to, we don't bid on options.

[59:01] So make a motion.

[59:02] Well, it has an easement, so.

[59:07] Once I talked to Rob, he said,

[59:10] I don't even know why this was on the agenda.

[59:12] Not saying that now, but if once the bidding closes on the auction,

[59:18] we'll probably have a chance.

[59:19] No, because it's not at 61.

[59:21] It's not in anything like that.

[59:22] No, I'm surprised.

[59:23] It's not 61B.

[59:26] OK, taxes on that.

[59:28] Why?

[59:29] That's nice.

[59:30] Yep.

[59:31] I know idea.

[59:35] OK, so...

[59:37] Pick a vote that no action is required.

[59:41] All right.

[59:41] Make a motion that we take no action and he'll say a country code.

[59:44] Second.

[59:45] Oh, favor?

[59:46] OK.

[59:47] Review submitted proposals.

[59:50] All right, guys.

[59:52] Let's go.

[59:56] You have, I want you to take the lead on this debate.

[1:00:00] Anybody else, you know, abstain's go?

[1:00:05] Well, I looked at both of them.

[1:00:08] I think I ended up meeting that.

[1:00:12] The one from

[1:00:16] the people named here.

[1:00:21] I mean, that hit the door with a P.

[1:00:24] What's that?

[1:00:25] The hit that the one with a P.

[1:00:27] No, the other one.

[1:00:30] Okay.

[1:00:32] Go ahead.

[1:00:33] And that's not in response.

[1:00:35] I mean, all the things we asked for, half of them that put them back on, they wanted to do it like, they want us to flag the wetlands, and want us to get a survey.

[1:00:46] Hell, they're going to do it. So, par is a full disclosure. I used to work for par.

[1:00:55] years ago, 25 years ago, and I've got nothing to do with them and I haven't for a while,

[1:01:03] but I think a positive proposal and format is probably the best you're going to expect,

[1:01:12] like the RFP we put together, you know, I mean, they're going to come to their ass, you

[1:01:25] I know he's going to sign up for that.

[1:01:28] So looking at it,

[1:01:31] 40,000 dollars to do the work.

[1:01:35] Therefore, remember, we're not going to have a design after this.

[1:01:38] All we're going to have to do is have an engineer call us.

[1:01:42] This is what's possible out there.

[1:01:44] And this is about what it's going to cause.

[1:01:46] Wait, which one of these stood 40,000?

[1:01:49] I don't know.

[1:01:50] Here.

[1:01:51] Ocaro-Sportia.

[1:02:00] There.

[1:02:02] Ocaro-Sportia.

[1:02:04] Yes.

[1:02:05] Par.

[1:02:05] riv.

[1:02:06] It was Ocaro.

[1:02:07] It was.

[1:02:08] Yes.

[1:02:09] What about that?

[1:02:12] It's a different scope of work.

[1:02:15] The fact that the bill don't break.

[1:02:18] Okay, let's go.

[1:02:20] Here's the whole book on.

[1:02:22] Okay, the numbers.

[1:02:24] That's fair for both of them.

[1:02:27] Oh, it was a bar more.

[1:02:32] Yeah, so they're talking 20.

[1:02:34] In that round, yeah.

[1:02:36] Yeah, 18 nine.

[1:02:37] I'm replying.

[1:02:39] I mean, posky.

[1:02:40] 12,000.

[1:02:40] I'm off with a survey.

[1:02:42] Bill's end to the issue.

[1:02:42] He's not.

[1:02:44] So, you've done,

[1:02:46] Not only 12, we used to get 18,000 for the top bowl.

[1:02:50] We used another 8,000 for the top bowl.

[1:02:53] Well, oh, Kills got existing conditions survey plan.

[1:02:57] That's part of their scope.

[1:02:58] That's at the last page, the existing condition serving survey plan,

[1:03:04] and then they have an engineering plan.

[1:03:12] You see it?

[1:03:18] Yeah, send the sound at the top.

[1:03:26] Right next to your top.

[1:03:27] So, we just passed it down.

[1:03:29] Well, I got to write my hands.

[1:03:30] I'm just too old to get the pages.

[1:03:31] All right,

[1:03:42] yeah, they're only doing a perimeter survey in picking up the flags hung by the commission.

[1:03:50] Okay.

[1:03:52] What do you call the perimeter survey? You mean the boundary survey?

[1:03:56] The boundary survey?

[1:03:57] They've already surveyed that.

[1:03:59] They did that a while back.

[1:04:03] Well, they're not saying a meets and bounds survey.

[1:04:06] They're calling it an existing commission survey.

[1:04:12] This is OK.

[1:04:15] This is OK.

[1:04:18] Says, Survey will be isolated.

[1:04:21] This is page two of their proposal.

[1:04:24] Survey will be isolated to the area of interest in area of work.

[1:04:27] Our understanding is the path will start at REVE Street

[1:04:30] and terminate in the current parking area that is accessed

[1:04:34] on water stream.

[1:04:36] So they're talking about the path.

[1:04:41] I want to bring that up.

[1:04:42] I don't understand both of them.

[1:04:45] Oak heel and par are only doing the pad.

[1:04:49] When the letter stated clearly, the whole property.

[1:04:52] Well, so here, again, this is Oak heel's scope.

[1:04:57] Under surveying, they have number one performed D.D. research

[1:05:01] to perform baseline, traverse, survey,

[1:05:04] to capture existing additions.

[1:05:06] Three, run perimeter survey around the property

[1:05:08] to achieve a modernized survey.

[1:05:11] And then under that number three, a capture of the flags hung by the commission, the topographic survey,

[1:05:19] c-existing conditions, including about not limited to easements, existing parking, existing trails,

[1:05:27] any utilities found on the property.

[1:05:30] And then this makes sense to you, Tom, not to make a survey.

[1:05:33] will be on NAVD 88, and NAVD 83, the data measurement user, okay.

[1:05:42] And then two, produce an existing condition plan based on the findings found about.

[1:05:49] So that's the survey piece, and then below that there's a little description of the engineering

[1:05:53] that they're proposing.

[1:05:55] And then it has additional conditions, if we items are requested, so I'm guessing that there

[1:06:01] will be an additional cost.

[1:06:02] What is that?

[1:06:04] Page 3.

[1:06:06] Additional items if we question.

[1:06:14] Right.

[1:06:21] Item is not included topographical survey, but I thought you said that they did a topographical

[1:06:27] survey in the previous page.

[1:06:29] It's certainly like a modernized.

[1:06:31] Yeah, no matter what one.

[1:06:32] So I think that's getting them into GIS.

[1:06:35] Yeah.

[1:06:35] Oh, total.

[1:06:36] That can be.

[1:06:37] Page two it says survey topographic survey, and then on page three not included topographical survey

[1:06:45] I don't know if that means

[1:06:53] stamped plans

[1:06:55] Well, I thought that to treat you to what no matter what is a stamp plan.

[1:07:12] All right

[1:07:14] My sense on this Bob is to

[1:07:18] Found in the expertise of Tom who has win more experience than I do

[1:07:24] with his kind of work and if he's

[1:07:26] more comfortable with one vendor than the other than...

[1:07:33] I feel like a baby is a winter time. This is the same time. You do this all the time. Do you want to get them in here to talk to them?

[1:07:41] Who part? You question? You get bolder than they do. Who be? Who be? Who be?

[1:07:48] Happy's a clam that they got you all listened for, for an interview.

[1:07:53] What do you want?

[1:07:57] I got a couple of questions I'd like to ask par. Okay.

[1:08:00] You know, in a session like this, just say, hey, what about this, just to kind of nail them down more than anything.

[1:08:10] Because the engineer's a great, you know, be it the right thing in a certain way.

[1:08:16] But they don't really mean me, I'm like politicians, they don't really mean what you think they mean.

[1:08:22] You think you're getting a toe ball, but you're not really getting a toe ball unless you pay extra.

[1:08:27] Okay, that's all we need for total kind of come up, so I just go through and get a list of questions

[1:08:33] All right, you are going to do top all the whole site, right?

[1:08:36] Okay, so that's something

[1:08:38] You know, that's almost like a heritage thing. We're going to keep that forever, right?

[1:08:42] I mean, how often do you top all with like that size?

[1:08:45] Once, yeah, once and never again, and so I think that's part of that way

[1:08:51] Do you think it makes sense to talk to both of these guys that we've been down?

[1:08:55] I'm going to make a motion then that we have Dan arrange a time for them to come in during one of our

[1:09:04] Hong Kong meetings to discuss the proposal because they've already done a Zoom meeting with Dan.

[1:09:12] That was what when they called Dan called me 1215 for 1230 meeting.

[1:09:16] I have no idea what they talked about because they couldn't get on it.

[1:09:19] Yeah.

[1:09:19] I'll chuck it out.

[1:09:21] I think coming in here, so everybody can talk to him as a better idea.

[1:09:26] All right, all in favor?

[1:09:28] All right.

[1:09:31] All right.

[1:09:34] Here's the next question.

[1:09:38] Because they didn't do, because they didn't put up a cost analysis or whatever for the entire project.

[1:09:46] I'm wondering if we shouldn't think about as soon as we accept the trade, you know,

[1:09:54] Get them going. We don't immediately send out another RFP because the problem I'm seeing here

[1:10:00] If we just stick to this one and not

[1:10:03] See going on the rest of the property you're going to have two in our ads

[1:10:09] You don't know. It's going to happen if we can at least get the engineering done on the entire property

[1:10:13] You want to be easy to get the grants and everything else

[1:10:15] I'm not going to delineate the entire property if I don't know if I don't have a guarantee

[1:10:21] Engineering is done on the entire property because that's a lot of delineating

[1:10:26] I don't want to go out there and do it all and then find out, well, we're not going to get the rest of it done for five years.

[1:10:31] Well, it's not going to get done.

[1:10:33] So maybe since they didn't do the whole property, as soon as we get a contract from one, we send out another RFP.

[1:10:43] We finish the job.

[1:10:44] Can we even tie our own flags?

[1:10:47] Seems like a little bit of a conflict, doesn't it?

[1:10:51] You're a cod-com, and you want to take half a piece of property, you good?

[1:10:56] Well, what happens in the view?

[1:10:59] On that part there, Dad, what's going to happen is we can't file for this property ourselves.

[1:11:08] The end of it, we can't do the end of it.

[1:11:10] What will happen is this forestry is going to file a file for the end of it.

[1:11:19] So, if I do, I think that I can do it in a few, if you guys feel that it's a conflict

[1:11:24] for me doing the flagging.

[1:11:26] Yeah, it probably isn't, you know.

[1:11:30] I mean, because what, well, where the conflict will be is, you guys are going to be verifying

[1:11:37] the flagging that I did.

[1:11:39] That may make it a conflict.

[1:11:41] That's something that I've been thinking about.

[1:11:45] Because if forestry flags it, it does the airport, does the inred, you guys are going to be

[1:11:53] verifying the inred. So maybe it will be a conflict if I go out.

[1:12:02] So do you think we should hire somebody?

[1:12:07] Well, let's get through these consultants.

[1:12:10] for a reading possible, they're flagging a wetland for us.

[1:12:16] I thought that I didn't read that, I think that they did.

[1:12:20] You guys were going to buy it.

[1:12:20] I thought it was said that they would,

[1:12:40] they make it.

[1:12:41] Well, power will support the conservation commission staff to delineate wetland resource areas.

[1:12:53] Well, that's the thing we could pick up, because actually, you know, we still haven't got a contract.

[1:13:00] So yeah, and then let's think about this for a second.

[1:13:03] If we were to delineate the whole southern half of the property, that's not part of the path now,

[1:13:09] if you wanted to get all those done, all the bank, all the BVW down in that southern part,

[1:13:16] that is a, I mean, it's not, that's a big job of survey, that's way bigger than we're talking about.

[1:13:24] It's bigger than the trail, that's the way to, yeah, but it's part of the project.

[1:13:30] If you've got to put a park all the way to the end, like you and I walked, you've got to, you've got to verify, you've got to delineate the resource area.

[1:13:40] If you're going to be working, no matter where you work on that property, you're working in the right area in zone.

[1:13:47] If you're, if you're, yeah, if you're trying to construct a path.

[1:13:51] And that's a noble thing to do.

[1:13:53] Well, for the entirety of the property?

[1:13:55] Yeah, you have picnic areas down there and everything else.

[1:13:57] So you have a place that people can actually walk rather than walking 300 yards that can walk

[1:14:03] or have parties and do their picnic and their family events, fishing, and they'll be fishing

[1:14:08] on that part because that's actually probably a better early to go fishing.

[1:14:13] I mean, if there's a concern, we should talk about it and look at it and see what it should.

[1:14:19] I don't even know how many of you guys have been to the southern part.

[1:14:22] I've been days been.

[1:14:23] Who else has been there?

[1:14:25] Nobody.

[1:14:25] So maybe going out there wouldn't be a bad idea.

[1:14:29] If you're going to concerns about it,

[1:14:34] dude.

[1:14:35] Yeah, I mean, when we had open space with public access, I mean, a lot of it is just trails

[1:14:43] that used to be deer rubs, you know, none of them were ADH or ADH, but if you're talking

[1:14:50] about an ADH accessible trail, because they're just talking about, oh, kills only talking

[1:14:55] from one parking lot in those parts of the road.

[1:15:00] That's like that's not even a quarter of what you're talking about.

[1:15:04] Our letter had stated the whole property.

[1:15:09] Our request stated the whole property for some reason, the two.

[1:15:14] So if that's what we decide as a commission to do, we're going to have to get a new proposal.

[1:15:20] We're going to have to.

[1:15:21] We're going to do this one now.

[1:15:24] And then get another proposal after that.

[1:15:26] Okay, all right, we're going to try to get those guys in here and that'll be our next step.

[1:15:33] How are the every three fields?

[1:15:35] All right,

[1:15:41] open space plan, yeah, I've got nothing.

[1:15:45] Oh, yeah, yeah, the agricultural fair was supposed to be next Saturday and because there's

[1:15:53] going to be a Northeastern party has asked us permission to move it to the October 3rd, I don't

[1:15:59] You see any reason why we can't do that.

[1:16:01] You guys, do you have any issues with that?

[1:16:04] It's not on the agenda so we can't vote,

[1:16:07] but I told them to go ahead.

[1:16:08] You have you with that?

[1:16:14] All right.

[1:16:16] And at the, at the fair,

[1:16:19] the open space committee is going to have a table.

[1:16:21] Try to get all chairs and everything else.

[1:16:25] We're in some proposals, there's no news.

[1:16:27] And he updates, and I just said it

[1:16:33] in the office or Francis Farm Road, do you guys

[1:16:36] anything see anything's going on there?

[1:16:39] No.

[1:16:39] All right.

[1:16:41] And I did nothing to talk about the other ones, the minutes.

[1:16:45] The minutes were, well, actually.

[1:16:48] Yeah, the minutes were fine.

[1:16:51] Thank you.

[1:16:52] You guys good?

[1:16:53] All right.

[1:16:53] Make a motion that we accept the minutes of September 8.

[1:16:57] Shall we?

[1:16:57] All in favour?

[1:16:58] All right.

[1:16:59] All right.

[1:17:00] You guys have anything?

[1:17:02] Make a motion or what you're on?

[1:17:10] We're going to have to come up with.

[1:17:16] We've already voted for closing here.

[1:17:19] No, no, we didn't.

[1:17:21] We didn't.

[1:17:22] We didn't finish up.

[1:17:23] And you're going to stick your name on that.

[1:17:24] Yeah, John Collette, one, 10 pairs, I was just wondering what property

[1:17:27] you talking about with trails.

[1:17:28] We have, we have what's called the Savoy Conservation Area.

[1:17:32] You know a shadow factory dam?

[1:17:33] Yes.

[1:17:34] And across the road there, we own nine acres over there.

[1:17:37] I didn't know that.

[1:17:39] And there's a trail that goes along the river, and it is in bad, bad shape, but what we

[1:17:43] want to do is build the first Americans with disabilities act, trail system back there.

[1:17:50] That's a huge project.

[1:17:52] So right now we've got proposals from a couple engineering firms on engineering.

[1:17:58] That makes sense.

[1:17:59] I don't know.

[1:18:00] I don't know.

[1:18:01] So the trails are on a wetland, right?

[1:18:04] So if we do anything to like to put a boardwalk where hand rails, you know, for a disabled people to go, we have to go through an entire permitting process and then a design process to make sure it's safe and that's the compliance with a lot.

[1:18:20] So it's really involved and we're choosing between a couple of companies that we do the surveying piece and engineering plan for the trail.

[1:18:30] That's what we're talking about now.

[1:18:31] I mean, we want to do it, because this is the first ABA trail in the whole with.

[1:18:36] No, we want to do it.

[1:18:37] Anybody that has a disability can use it.

[1:18:39] Right.

[1:18:41] So, but it's a lot of work.

[1:18:42] Sounds like it.

[1:18:43] Yeah, thank you.

[1:18:45] Sure.

[1:18:45] Thanks, John.

[1:18:46] Okay.

[1:18:47] That'll we can talk about.

[1:18:53] We've got a second.

[1:18:55] We've got a second.

[1:18:57] We've got a second.

[1:18:58] Somebody second.

[1:18:58] I second.

[1:19:00] All in favour?

[1:19:00] Hi.

Conservation Commission 09-22-2026

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