[0:12] Um, I'm going to pass around the calls for service.

[0:18] [snorts]

[0:21] » Um, so future report calls for service are going

[0:26] around. Um I knowing that it was old business

[0:32] and knowing that it could be a sticky issue. Um and

[0:37] onethird of our calls for August were EMS related.

[0:42] So I just I'm not super good at math and help but but six of 18 seems to be

[0:46] one/3. So I I'm going to talk to Mitch at the ambulance. Um

[0:53] » were they were they like lift assists? >> They're not calling out ambulance too.

[0:58] they are doing a variety of things. Um, but I want to make sure that I get in

[1:03] touch with him so that I have the what they're they're really doing what

[1:07] they're intending to do and then discuss what that what that means to the fire

[1:13] department because when we page for personnel and people show up, we have a

[1:19] capital outlay because we're paying people and if we have the same people

[1:24] having ellipticist that agnostic of the people having ithic if staffing isn't

[1:30] working I either side. We want to help, but it's not necessarily the obligation

[1:36] of the district [snorts] and the board to pay for something that should already

[1:41] be covered. So, it's

[1:46] we'll have further on that after I talk to Mitch. Um, otherwise, nothing of

[1:52] incredible note fire alarms, vehicle accident.

[1:57] Uh total calls for the year 202. Um

[2:03] 18 pay on call members, one junior firefighter, nine part-time members, and

[2:07] one youth apprentice. Um so at the end of the day, we are up 17 calls from last

[2:12] year by the at the end of August.

[2:17] I know it's a a little bit early uh in your tenure as chief, but uh how do you

[2:23] feel about our um the number of firefighters in the district? Um does it

[2:29] seem I know you don't necessarily want to say, you know, you're fully staffed

[2:32] or not fully staffed because that can really depend, but

[2:36] » Well, full fully staff's a number. We have an authorized training. So, I mean,

[2:39] that's if you're fully staffed, then that's that that just is a number that

[2:43] what what we have. um we need more support on the pay on call and so that's

[2:50] I mean that that that was a day one issue

[2:53] » um that's a day one issue for every chief and every pay call fire department

[2:59] in the country right now so >> researching national volunteer fire

[3:04] council in terms of statistically what can we expect and the

[3:10] the downside is we don't have the local businesses, the farms that could have

[3:17] employees leave on a regular basis. And that that was that was and at some point

[3:24] still is the staple of the volunteer fire service.

[3:28] » And that's why we'll talk about budget later, but that's why you see growing

[3:31] pains in every fire department of our size across the country is if if the

[3:37] staffing model changes, but we continue to go to the well,

[3:42] » h how do we balance that? So that's that's one of the things that's

[3:45] incumbent upon me, but more is better to the point that we're fully staffed. I

[3:52] » that that's the goal. So ultimately, I'm not super interested in a number.

[3:58] I'm interested in reliable fire service 24/7, 365. That's if if we can get

[4:02] vehicles out the door that have the right people on them that can provide

[4:07] the right service, that's the goal. Um, in most organizations you have probably

[4:14] a third to a half that are the consistent contributors and you have the

[4:20] other half that kind of makes up the balance and for for whatever whatever

[4:25] the reasons are. But statistically that seems to be what's shaking out in the

[4:29] stuff I >> think.

[4:33] Um so donations um we have been approached

[4:37] by Alliance Laundry after they saw um or read in the paper about the

[4:44] » Yeah. It's either people watch these meetings or or the or the newspaper.

[4:50] » Yeah. So, one of the two and uh so Margaret Hefernan reached out um and

[4:57] she's the the communications and corporate giving manager reached out and

[5:02] um wants to make Alliance wants to make a $5,000 donation that can go for

[5:07] radios. So, we have the radio that we're going to get to on engine 11 that's been

[5:12] purchased, but we need to make those upgrades. So the the intent behind the

[5:16] donation can be fully utilized because we can put one in in truck 17 and it's

[5:22] going to [snorts] need it in the next three years anyway because of the

[5:24] upgrades. So thanks to them we can get ahead of this provided

[5:29] you will support the acceptance of the donation.

[5:32] » I'll move to accept the donation from launch for $5,000.

[5:39] » Second. >> [snorts]

[5:42] » All those in favor, please signify by saying I.

[5:45] » I. >> Those opposed, same sign. Motion passes.

[5:51] » So, lieutenants process, we have three candidates. We have a written test for

[5:55] them on the 3rd at 6 p.m. So, we have three that are that are moving in the

[6:02] process. Um, and the goal is to get that done relatively quickly. Um, so make

[6:09] sure we we get them what they need. um have a fair and

[6:14] accurate test and we'll just continue on with the process. Uh fire inspection

[6:19] updates. Uh our fire protection specialist has resigned as of earlier

[6:25] this week. Um

[6:30] » is he still a paid on call person? >> He he is a paid on call person but has

[6:34] requested a 60-day leave of absence from the fire department on the paid on call

[6:39] side as well. um that was granted. That's within

[6:42] policy. So that was a said, "Sure, go ahead." You know, um he's trying to

[6:47] figure out kind of where he wants to be and what he wants to do. So he said kind

[6:53] of just wasn't the fit for him. Said, "Thank you for the things you've done so

[6:57] far. We're up to date on our inspections. We're we're above board."

[7:02] So it's, you know, it it's just those are the things that

[7:06] happen. So, uh

[7:10] update on new engine radio has been ordered and we're waiting on the

[7:14] install. So, as soon as the radio comes in,

[7:18] well, we get it put in and then we can have the engine in service. I will see

[7:22] our rep from Neielson Communications who we get the radios from tomorrow because

[7:27] he's dropping off other things and so I get to bug him for when we can get that

[7:33] when they when it could get put in. um SOG and SOP update.

[7:39] I delivered uh all of them on a flash drive. Um

[7:45] to loop I would like to deliver to all the board

[7:51] members in their favorite format all of the SOPs and all the SOGS right now.

[7:56] They're what we're working off of. Um and I'm changing them. So, what I I'd

[8:02] like to give you what we have now and then start moving forward. One of the

[8:06] things that I noticed when I started reading them was it's very hammerheavy.

[8:12] It's if you don't or if you do and it's hammer and nail mentality and I don't

[8:18] know that today that's the right way to go about working with people and it's

[8:22] it's we need to recruit them, educate them, train them, support them and

[8:27] ultimately if people don't do the things We just have a it's the basic HR

[8:33] approach of hey, we we've got all these things. We've got these policies. The

[8:36] policies for the good of the order. It's not because Rick likes it. It's it's

[8:40] simply because that's what the citizens expect moving forward. But I'm trying to

[8:44] get away from the >> show up, you're done.

[8:48] » Yeah, basically. Or you know, the wind blows the wrong way and I'm cross that

[8:52] day and well then you're done. and it's just it doesn't it it hurts the

[8:57] recruiting and retention part when you know the the [clears throat] gallows is

[9:01] always sitting there. So, it's just not not a positive environment. So, I'm

[9:05] hoping to change that. Um but I want everybody to have the things that I'm

[9:09] operating off of to make decisions dayto day. Um so, I'll just write it down

[9:14] after the meeting and I'll just get you in the format you want. um SOPs and SOPs

[9:20] » if you prefer like an electronic format like I can email it out to you if you

[9:24] want that way because I now have uploaded all the files. So I have them

[9:27] on this. [laughter] It's just some some easy light reading.

[9:32] » It's on It's on the city of Brian email one drive.

[9:36] » Oh yeah. >> The thumb drive.

[9:38] » Yeah. The the goal is to have a website that can host documents such

[9:45] as those so that everybody has access to them all the time. It's not like they're

[9:50] top [clears throat] secret documents. They're just it's how we do business,

[9:54] you know. So, it's that that's ultimately the goal. We're working with

[9:58] the IT department to figure out how to how to actually

[10:04] » Did you get the picture I sent for printers?

[10:07] » I did get the picture.

[10:12] » Thank you. >> Their printers suck.

[10:16] » Well, >> yeah, my printer doesn't work.

[10:18] » Where's your printer? >> It doesn't work. Doesn't work at all.

[10:23] We'll fix your pictures tomorrow. Was fixing pictures all afternoon.

[10:30] » You want to go back to the treasur report if you're finished with

[10:34] » Can I ask a question? >> I don't know. [laughter]

[10:39] » Um the fire inspection. Are you are you looking for a replacement or how are we

[10:43] going to do it? >> Uh when we get to the budget,

[10:46] » okay, >> I'd like to suggest a solution.

[10:48] » Okay. >> Thank you.

[10:49] » And that's

[10:54] Yes, we thought a lot about it. >> We want to do the treasures report and

[11:01] the August finance reports.

[11:06] Um, pretty much everything

[11:12] um is the same as it usually is for the the

[11:17] bills. Um the only thing that's like um

[11:24] a new radio had to be put in the command van. Um when we paid 25% of what the

[11:29] city paid 75%, we paid 25%. So um but the radio that was in there, you

[11:36] couldn't pick up the mic because it would be all static and you couldn't

[11:40] hear and stuff. So it had to be it had to be replaced.

[11:45] So, um I think does anybody have any questions

[11:51] that I can answer? >> Did you um were you able to build the

[11:55] municipalities for the >> I that's going to be tomorrow's okay

[12:00] » tomorrow's job. >> Maybe maybe mention it to the

[12:03] municipalities. So when um I was going through the

[12:08] financials, I noticed that um [snorts] all three municipalities weren't paid

[12:13] weren't charged for their full amount. Um

[12:17] » missed one person. >> Yeah. somehow it I don't know it what

[12:22] happened what I could come up with is that in December when it was build out

[12:26] it was build out um as the amount of last year's because when I add up the

[12:33] amount it comes up to what [clears throat] you guys paid last year

[12:35] in 2025 so um

[12:40] so yeah so it's I off the top of my head I can't give you the amounts each person

[12:45] owes >> it's Ripenos the city of Ripen owes the

[12:47] most yeah probably close to 3,000. >> Yeah,

[12:52] » that's the line here. It's down by 3,95. >> So, so um so those bills will be going

[13:00] out to bring that up and then the 2% dues bills will be going out

[13:05] » um tomorrow. Also,

[13:09] » I had a question for um down here for expenses, our operating

[13:16] supply and small equipment. Um I know we're doing a lot more in-house and

[13:21] that's one of the main reasons, you know, we're maintaining things, we're

[13:25] fixing things. Uh but I was just this is kind of more to the board. would we want

[13:31] to see uh and I may be recommending right I'm recommending that we try and

[13:36] break that out maybe into a little bit more granular where

[13:41] » when you get the budget you'll see that it's broken out

[13:43] » there's there's sub accounts for it >> yes

[13:45] » all right >> yep

[13:47] » that makes sense I just um >> pretty much every single one of these

[13:51] has like different I asked the same.

[13:57] » Okay, >> sounds good.

[14:00] » That's fine.

[14:04] » Are there any other questions for feather?

[14:07] » I guess I'll just ask now to send you an email. Um, could I uh get a breakdown of

[14:13] the sub accounts with the chart of accounts or are you able to break it up

[14:17] by period? based on like a monthly period and I do a lot of

[14:22] » monthly period. Can you >> I know you can pull that through

[14:24] QuickBooks. >> QuickBooks I it comes in monthly. I can

[14:27] print you out the report. >> Yeah, that that'd be fine.

[14:30] » So then just with all the sub accounts too just I just kind of want to

[14:34] » I don't know if the sub accounts No, the sub accounts won't come through there.

[14:38] » I should be able you should be able to format to where it's not just

[14:42] » Well, it's not like >> or are they actually not populate sub

[14:46] accounts, >> right? They're not they're just line

[14:48] items. So like I said when you see the budget then you'll understand.

[14:53] » Okay. But I guess >> but I can I can give you the

[14:57] monthly. >> Okay. Yep.

[14:59] » Thank you.

[15:03] » Any other questions for Heather? If not, I'll entertain a motion to

[15:09] approve the August finance report and accounts payable

[15:15] and treasury report. >> I'll make that motion.

[15:20] » Thank you, Mark. Is there a second? >> Second.

[15:24] » Thank you, David. Any further questions?

[15:29] Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I.

[15:33] » I. >> I. Those opposed, same sign. Motion

[15:36] passes. Old business.

[15:43] » Did we get any proposals in? >> So for the insurance, we had Ryan

[15:50] from Rural Insurance come today and he looked at the building.

[15:55] I had a sheet here. Um he came and looked at the building today. he needs

[16:00] some more documents and then once he gets those documents

[16:05] um he will send it to the underwriter and then the underwriter is going to

[16:08] have to come and look at the building. Um

[16:13] so um he what he wants is the driver's license of every single person that

[16:18] drives our vehicles and then he wants um >> those should be in their file,

[16:23] » right? Yep. Um and then >> and then he wants um the last five years

[16:29] of claims. So then once they get that then he's

[16:34] going to do his thing and then um the underwriter will have to come

[16:38] look at the building again and then he can give us an estimate. I contacted

[16:43] Alyssa from Rural. she is no longer with the company and um according to this

[16:50] person in Appleton um she said that rule can't which doesn't make sense to me

[16:55] I'll start out that um that rule can't give us an give us an estimate or a

[17:01] quote because they won't do anything that has a city involved in it they only

[17:05] do municipalities but Brian who's also from rural

[17:08] insurance says that >> he can do it so

[17:13] so right now I work and Brian, >> aren't cities a municipality?

[17:20] » They they want they like cuz it's rural rural insurance. So I think it's like

[17:24] more like townships instead of cities. >> It can't be a class.

[17:28] » We are not a metropolis. >> I [laughter] know. But so I don't

[17:33] » but so like the other guy from rural insurance said he can do it. So So I'm

[17:37] like I I'll keep working with Brian. And then um I've got one other one out

[17:41] there. He's still um working on getting me a quote and then I'll get the one

[17:46] from Drew Dri. So,

[17:50] » can we get anything for an attorney? >> Um the attorneys, they sent it out to

[17:54] eight different attorneys and one person wrote back and said, "I can't help you."

[17:58] And I have not heard from anybody [laughter] else. So, I will try and find

[18:02] someone to send it to. >> Were we able to post on the leave? Have

[18:06] you or did they say no? No, because I looked at it

[18:13] and I have to be some kind of a member of some kind of bar yada yada and I'm

[18:18] like, "Okay, that's >> the city is my members. That should

[18:21] count." >> So, but yeah,

[18:22] » maybe we can get married and post it. >> We can see. Yeah.

[18:27] » Yeah. [clears throat]

[18:31] » Any other questions?

[18:35] » Okay. The big one draft budget. >> Okay.

[18:48] » The whole thing.

[18:52] » There we go.

[18:59] I printed two extra just in case.

[19:18] What is our interest income currently?

[19:24] » 2,689. >> Oh. Oh, there we go. Okay. [laughter]

[19:28] Put my glasses back. That's why I put it up to 2,000 because

[19:32] I was being hopeful for next year too. [snorts]

[19:52] » Any anybody want to start? Give us the high points about what you're what

[19:56] you're recommending. the the high points.

[20:00] » Yeah. >> Uh so

[20:03] in totality

[20:06] we are asking for a 3.54% increase over what we had last year to the budget.

[20:13] um with the with the backstory or the back history that for the past three or

[20:20] four years we have been at 1% three

[20:25] » four years >> four years um

[20:30] and I I I don't disagree with the methodology there it does it does put us

[20:34] in a shortfall because [clears throat] of the way [snorts] things would have

[20:37] compounded but the need to protect the district and the the people who live in

[20:41] it based on past events outweighs the need for us to have a little bit more

[20:48] money in our budget. So that moving forward there there are things that we

[20:53] need to address that we haven't addressed as a district in a while. Um,

[21:01] the one thing I noticed, and this is this is 8 weeks in in kind of looking at

[21:06] the budget, tearing it apart, trying to to figure out where we can go, where we

[21:10] need to be, is that at one time there was there was a transfer of money that

[21:17] enabled daytime firefighters.

[21:21] » And that was from the or bribal money.

[21:27] That was from the or or bribogal money that happened before I came on board,

[21:33] but I think it was applied that there was a a dollar amount applied from that

[21:38] to operations. That's that's how the accounting works.

[21:43] » So the with with that accounting, the one thing that we built in at that time

[21:48] was a structural deficit. We've been working against that deficit

[21:57] since then. Um, and and that's not a it work I mean having a deficit isn't the

[22:04] most awesome thing in the world, but having daytime fire protection in the

[22:08] context that we have people in the city that can respond to the calls that we

[22:11] need them to is a benefit. So, a lot of things or some of the things we did in

[22:17] the budget were to start to address those shortfalls and to to ensure that

[22:24] we have reliable daytime fire protection and then grow the paint on call rank.

[22:28] So, that's the backstory is one, we're working against what was about an

[22:34] $86,000 a year structural deficit. Um, one of the ways we did that was with a

[22:40] fund balance and that was taking money that we had and paying the remainder of

[22:46] the the un the the unfunded portions of the budget.

[22:52] There's a point at which we we just can't spend all the money. We need to

[22:56] have money for capital projects. We need to have money for vehicles. We need to

[22:59] have money for the things that come up. And if we spend that account down to

[23:04] zero, then then we're at a real kitchen table budget where if we don't have

[23:08] money for the car payment, we don't have the car. Um, and so we don't want to be

[23:12] there. [snorts] So, we're trying to be proactive this year. Um, raise our ask a

[23:17] little bit in terms of of what it is and then work on the structure of how we

[23:22] deliver service to make that less and less going forward. So each

[23:29] year the goal is to to to do that. Um on the main sheet, one of the ways

[23:35] you'll see that that's done is we with some of the money that we've

[23:41] asked for, we're using less than the fund balance. So we went from 47 267

[23:47] annually to 40,000 and then use some of the rest of the money to to spread out

[23:52] for for building. So, do you want to go line by line? Is just down the down the

[23:58] big sheet or is it >> What is your pleasure?

[24:02] » What would you like him to do? Do you want him to go line by line?

[24:06] » I'll give you the I'll give you the the low points. Most of the stuff stayed

[24:10] about the same. There were some things that we lessened

[24:13] because we weren't spending them in in our future projections like the the

[24:17] longevity pay that went down because when you do the math, we're not going to

[24:21] be paying out longevity because we just don't have a ton of people that have

[24:26] longevity. >> I have a question though about

[24:28] operations by small equipment. We were budgeted

[24:32] uh what the heck we're at 70,000.

[24:38] That's what we Is that what we spent? Um it's 10220053400.

[24:50] » We have in the the other report right now actual at 53,690

[24:57] budgeted at $70,000. >> So

[24:59] » it was budgeted at >> Yeah, it's it's it's budgeted that much

[25:03] because we had some large donations. >> We had the 36,000 in there from the two

[25:08] donations that we used. You guys used you put in

[25:12] » Oh, for for radios. Yeah, radios and turn.

[25:15] » So, that's why it was so much. >> So, it's been reduced to almost half.

[25:19] » Yeah, cuz we took the 36,000 back out.

[25:24] Um, the answer to the fire inspector

[25:28] question is going forward.

[25:33] What we would like to ask is that we have dayshift staffing of me, Heather,

[25:39] and two full-time 40hour week firefighters

[25:45] that are able to staff a vehicle here, provide the inspection services, and do

[25:52] the things that need to be done um with a guarantee that we have the

[25:57] right people on the vehicle at all times so that their credentials match being

[26:02] able to drive being able to pump. >> Do you want four full-time people?

[26:06] » One day shift. >> No.

[26:10] » The two of us. >> Yeah.

[26:11] » And you're part time. >> Oh, yeah. Me, I'm part time. So,

[26:15] [laughter] >> sorry.

[26:17] » So, Heather. >> Yeah.

[26:19] » And two. >> Two full-time people.

[26:22] » Two. Yes. >> So, that would So, when they get a call

[26:25] that those three would go out, >> the they have the ability to leave as

[26:29] three. >> Okay. they also have the ability to

[26:31] leave is too. >> Um, right now what what the the issue is

[26:36] we have a we have a group of young people that are doing an excellent job

[26:42] in learning and learning the fire department craft. There are days where

[26:47] some of them can't drive and pump with the larger vehicles. We have to have

[26:50] them on a smaller vehicle. Well, does that equate to successful fire

[26:55] protection on Tuesday? [clears throat] I no I need I need to get people that

[27:00] can manage the equipment. The paid on call people are paged back. We run the

[27:04] rest of the the crews out. The initial crews are solving the problem. And so

[27:12] the our our current paid on premise people are doing the best that they can.

[27:17] Some and some of them fit all bills. The problem is we run up against a 1,200

[27:22] hour a year ceiling because all the vendity employees, more regular

[27:27] employees that we have benefits of WRS and there are other things that are

[27:31] leveraged against us with the firefighter inspector leaving.

[27:37] That opens one position. So we're asking for a second. We're asking for one more

[27:41] because we we had one. So, so but you can make up for that with

[27:47] how your schedule what we're paying right now for [snorts]

[27:51] » so we daily people. >> The the idea is that we currently had

[27:56] last year had a line item of $86,000 for our paid on premise which was

[28:04] written down three a day. The the $86,000 does not cover three people a

[28:08] day to be here for 10 hours a day. Um, so that line goes to 25 and basically we

[28:15] have a few extras that come in Mondays and Fridays um to support. So what we

[28:22] want is tens. So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

[28:27] one of the one of the full-time employees is on that Friday. When

[28:33] they're off, there's a a part-time that fills in for them. And then the second

[28:37] one works Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and has a part-timer. So we we

[28:43] spend less money, we get more robust protection, and we have people that can

[28:49] operate the equipment and are able to provide the thing that we really need

[28:56] for a majority of the time. Um, and that's just

[29:01] that's the solution that we've we've come up with right now. Um

[29:06] the firefighter inspector had been spending a lot of time with the day crew

[29:11] and that was a third person that was now

[29:15] tied to the vehicles. So instead of having two, we had three and the money

[29:19] that we were spending on that person going out and doing the things they were

[29:22] supposed to was getting washed into the the day the paid on premise people's

[29:29] time as well. At the end of the day, [snorts] we spend

[29:33] a little less. We have more permanent protection

[29:38] that allows for us to be more responsive to the community. If a carbon monoxide

[29:45] call, running two people out on the engine is absolutely appropriate. Having

[29:48] two people that are full-time employees that we know can do the job makes far

[29:55] more sense than having Heather have to jump up on the raid and leave while

[30:00] she's in the middle of doing the budget or somebody else coming in. We can solve

[30:03] that problem with those two employees. >> Can two people help with lift assists?

[30:09] » Two two people depending on the person. Um, but it they can I think there's

[30:17] still a discussion that goes there because that's still that's still salary

[30:20] that we're contributing to >> and we're not getting any sort of

[30:24] compensation or or quid proquo for it. >> Well, we don't we [clears throat] don't

[30:28] really have anything that we can ask in return,

[30:31] » right? >> So, that's that's thing we as a

[30:34] non-transporting as a non-EMS agency and one that doesn't

[30:39] transport, we can't bill for anything, >> right? So the the recovery of cost has

[30:43] to come from the service. So that that's a whole different

[30:48] discussion, but they they can absolutely do that and they can absolutely do that

[30:52] the two of them versus having a page that brings four more people down and

[30:56] then leverages another $40. >> So with two people, one can drive and

[31:00] then one could, you know, go along with them. We just

[31:04] take one vehicle. >> They Yes.

[31:07] The the idea is that they are with the vehicle that they're staffing for their

[31:11] entire shift. When they go somewhere, the vehicle goes with them. They're

[31:15] available for calls for service regardless of where they are, what

[31:19] they're doing. They could be inspecting. And they have might have to say, "Excuse

[31:23] me. I apologize. I'll be back later." And and off they go. So they they have

[31:27] the the immediate response capability is is with them. Can they put out a

[31:32] structure fire? They need more help, but they have the tools and the

[31:38] equipment to have the right vehicle on scene at the right time in a in short

[31:43] order and be able to start that process. >> I I have another question because I'm

[31:49] not a firefighter. So, would that be the time

[31:52] » accepting applications? [laughter] >> I don't think you want. Um,

[31:56] » we're looking to to improve the readiness.

[31:59] » Yeah, that improve the So, would that be a time when we would

[32:04] call out paid on call or would we call for mutual aid

[32:10] » for structure >> for structure fire

[32:12] » or both? >> Would we do both?

[32:14] » It's it's both. It's it's one of those where uh an actual structure fire takes

[32:22] a minimumish of 14 to 17 people to fight effectively and safely. There there

[32:27] isn't a department that they get to Oshkosh in the area that fits the bill.

[32:31] So we if there is an actual structured fire, we will always rely on our

[32:35] neighbors and we have been since Ron Fader started in 1972. It's just one of

[32:40] those things where none of us has the ability or the tax dollars to afford a

[32:46] service like that. So we're we will always ask Green Lake, we will always

[32:50] ask Brandon, we will always ask Berlin. Okay?

[32:53] » And and they will do the same thing. And so

[32:57] that's the goal is to be able to have that that mutual relationship.

[33:02] There were times in the past where we were going to fondac

[33:07] not necessarily great risk exposure driving 30 and 40

[33:12] miles to places fires are normally over then

[33:17] in most contexts unless you're really going to do something. Um, so the the

[33:21] idea isn't to leverage that upon fondax tax payers, but it's it we have to share

[33:26] resources. Um, so you know, it's usually and this is three engine companies, a

[33:33] truck company, and somebody that's in charge is usually where we start. So you

[33:38] would see Ripen Brandon Berlin or or Green Lake Brooklyn and then somebody

[33:44] with a truck maybe a Marazan Grant River fire to to get the staffing that we have

[33:48] our command staff in place that that run it. So um but two people on the vehicle

[33:55] can definitely show up, pull a line, have it at pump, have everything prepped

[33:59] and put water on fire that they can see and buy everybody else time. So that the

[34:06] the gold standard is be there within about 3 minutes and start the activities

[34:13] so you start to to prevent loss of life and you start to to lessen the property

[34:17] damage. So the what we're hoping to do is have that

[34:23] 5 days a week, 10 hours a day, and that's when the the paid on call members

[34:27] aren't in town. It's literally there. They're just not here. There there's a

[34:33] couple, but We don't have enough currently with this

[34:37] the the size of the department. We don't have enough to reliably provide that

[34:41] with the two. We do because we're adding twos and threes to get our share of what

[34:48] it takes to fight the fire. Um so that ultimately we're we hoped that

[34:56] the model brings down the cost of fire protection a little bit. It helps us

[35:01] address that that that uh structural deficit and it provides

[35:08] better service that we we have today. Um that's the goal. Um ultimately

[35:18] any budget cycle I mean we need to get that structural deficit to zero. So

[35:22] that's next year's project is to get it literally it's just it's doing math and

[35:28] it's figuring out service levels and it's cost per capita and it's how can we

[35:31] leverage relationships and it's all of the things.

[35:34] » It takes a couple years to get rid of a structural deficit.

[35:37] » It does. Yep. And that's I again it's not the most awesome thing in

[35:42] the world. I'm not going to ask for that for Christmas, but it's something that

[35:48] it exists and we unfortunately we just don't have a way to leverage debt.

[35:55] » Okay, corporations have a way to leverage debt and we just don't have a

[35:59] way to do that. So, we just do the things we do and ultimately this group

[36:04] decides the service levels, the the dollars we

[36:07] have to spend and then we just we go and do good things with that.

[36:12] Um, put my glasses back on so I can actually see the rest of this.

[36:16] Um,

[36:22] the the call pay stays the same. The numbers for additional employees that

[36:29] would be in health, life, social security, retirement are added into

[36:33] those lines.

[36:36] We have physicals for firefighters. That's it's not as common in the in the

[36:41] pain on call world um as it should be. But the things that firefighters are

[36:45] exposed to over the course of their career. The the instances of cancer and

[36:49] heart disease are way higher. So it's good for us to have a baseline so that

[36:52] we know where the people are and we can track that. Um fit testing that's

[36:57] mandatory. Computers that those are mandatory. U

[37:03] we we pay for power and light. I was going to ask one thing under that

[37:09] one. Yes sir. >> For the accounting software is the we

[37:14] use QuickBooks. Does that include any other software or is it just QuickBooks?

[37:18] » It's just QuickBooks. >> And is it because we run do we run

[37:22] payroll through QuickBooks? >> And we also um in an effort to

[37:28] make sure there was more eyes on it, CLA does review what we do quarterly. So we

[37:35] do have someone looking to make sure the accounting is correct.

[37:39] » So we do pay a little bit more for it.

[37:48] » General the same servicing. So the the the annual equipment services if that's

[37:54] an NFP requirement compressors the SCBAs

[37:59] u the flow testing as and that goes into the pit testing with the masks. The one

[38:04] thing that just as a as a sidelight to that is in the coming years we're going

[38:09] to ask start applying for and we have your support with uh assistance of

[38:15] firefighter grants, AFG grants because SCPAs have a a life expectancy of 10

[38:20] years. It's mandated. They're done after 10

[38:24] years. Um we're at five years. So what we want to do is make sure that we go

[38:28] out to the grant cycle and hopefully we can get that covered with the grant

[38:33] cycle and so we have multiple shots at the grants before we have to come before

[38:37] you and say ah we kind of got some of it or and report that hey there may be

[38:42] another hole or another ask but we want to make sure that we're out proactively

[38:46] finding the money for the district rather than just saying please give us a

[38:50] little bit more um

[38:55] repair maintenance. Uh, this is where we added 10

[39:00] » the buildings and grounds. >> So, the buildings and grounds,

[39:04] there have not been many TLC projects where we put money into the building. um

[39:12] 10,000 on a undeferred maintenance that we have isn't going to solve all the

[39:18] problems, but we want to start addressing some of the things that are

[39:23] right on the surface. So, we're able to have some money to be able to to take

[39:29] care of the building. Ultimately, um we do go to meetings and firehouses

[39:33] that are coming down around our ears and that's just where they live. Um, and it

[39:39] it there are municipalities, very large municipalities that have their buildings

[39:43] held up with wood even though they're concrete buildings because that's just

[39:47] how they keep them standing. We don't want to end up in that spot. Um, being

[39:51] good stewards of the the building and the grounds is just we're going to chip

[39:55] away at it. Um, training remains relatively the same.

[40:02] uh we took some of the other conference money and reallocated. So you'll see

[40:09] firefighter education conference. So that's the fire department instructor's

[40:12] conference in Indianapolis. Um the

[40:17] being able to fund members to be there. Um it's it's a gathering. It's where

[40:22] people sell fire trucks and all sorts have all sorts of things. The the bonus

[40:26] to that and benefit to that is they have hands-on training classes. They have a

[40:29] ton of education that goes with and they they have the subject matter experts

[40:34] from all over the country and the world and they're in one spot in Indianapolis.

[40:38] It's a [clears throat] $1,300 isn't nothing, but it's a real

[40:43] cheap way to get our people there and in touch with the experts. So, it's the

[40:48] goal was to take some of the the kind of ancillary smaller things that we were

[40:53] spending money on and say, "Hey, bang for the buck. Let's do it correctly and

[40:57] then get the people to where they need to be.

[41:01] Office supplies are office supplies. Printers are awesome. Uh

[41:08] we're looking uh there's money in for computer replacement. Uh ultimately uh

[41:14] I'm going to angle for grant grants around the community um for

[41:22] some form of MDC mobile data computer mobile data terminal in the vehicles

[41:27] because that will give us granular feedback on time out the door time to

[41:32] calls. Um the only way we can measure our success is if we have the data that

[41:39] supports it. So being able to have that in the in the lap or in the seat with

[41:43] the the responders is the way we get that data. We can't we can't pull it

[41:48] from comm center recordings and it's just they don't have the time and they

[41:52] they're not super interested in making us mix tapes of what we're talking about

[41:57] on the radio. um

[42:02] all the things that we are members of. I think the

[42:10] FPA link went up a little bit. The WSFA went up a little bit.

[42:18] Not those are memberships that that we need that that keeps us current. That

[42:23] keeps us with other agencies. So, Fondlac, Winnebago, Green Lake, that

[42:27] that's all the fire chiefs, that's all the firefighters that we plug and play

[42:30] in three counties very easily and Dodge is a is a fourth. Um, so we need to

[42:35] maintain those relationships.

[42:39] Passport, so gas monitors, those are critical for firefighters and what's

[42:43] around them. Uh,

[42:47] the port portable portable rescue, the radios,

[42:52] and the airbags. We're not seeking those this time around. Turnout gear um as a

[42:58] line item we are. We will have new members including the chief who needs

[43:02] turnout gear. So we're doing that. Um the other thing is the NFPA turnout gear

[43:08] has a 10ear life expectancy as well. I I don't know about the gear because we

[43:14] have multiple types of gear here. Um many of the for the older sets of gear

[43:19] manufactured with TOS in them. So we're worried about firefighting home that

[43:24] [snorts] has POS. We're actually just putting on gear because POS is integral

[43:28] to manufacturing a lot of things. So if we have the option to not have that just

[43:33] in the things we're putting on all the time, we'd like to go to hoses regular

[43:39] replacement. Uh the radios, we'll we'll continue to talk

[43:43] about radios. That's another AFG or similar grant item that you know radios

[43:48] and pagers going to all digital is that that's the way the countyy's headed.

[43:51] That's the way some of the fire departments and police agencies are.

[43:54] » You have some miniature pagers that you found or weren't using and are those

[44:00] [clears throat] >> No, they're they're the miniature six.

[44:03] So, they're still >> they're still VHF. That's the We thought

[44:08] we had some radios that may have been dual band. They are not, unfortunately.

[44:17] General small the insurance um that went up a little

[44:26] bit. That may change. What I I ask Drew to look at and and with the other

[44:32] insurance companies is um

[44:37] » words online basically on >> cyber

[44:41] » cyber protection. We do data that goes in and out. Um we are reporting on

[44:46] national platforms. on the outside, we're not taking credit cards, so we

[44:50] don't we're not keeping PII that's being transmitted. So that's that's one

[44:55] less thing that we have to worry about. But um from the standpoint that if we

[45:01] suffer an attack um the

[45:08] was it the Green Bay Hospital Network, that was a $95 million hit. The city of

[45:12] Oshkosh took a multi-million dollar hit and all that was was an open attachment

[45:16] in an email and it happened in the fire department. Oops. But it's one of those

[45:21] where it's getting more sophisticated having our us be protected against a

[45:25] large capital outlay for something like an Oops. I think the money up front's

[45:30] probably probably worth it. Drew was going to get back to us on that

[45:36] [snorts] but then

[45:40] that's it. I'm near the end. I feel like we're

[45:43] close. >> The wind policy um went up $700

[45:48] about >> 700

[45:53] and he >> so

[46:00] questions >> hopefully questions like this.

[46:08] » So this would then change the of organization.

[46:13] » Correct. >> It would change the table of

[46:15] organization. Uh >> yes.

[46:19] » I just want to have everybody be clear about that.

[46:23] » The the one the one thing that there Okay, this is from me.

[46:30] The one thing if I was sitting in a board member seat and you said, "Hey,

[46:33] you needed a full-time fire inspector." >> Who does that now?

[46:40] I get it. >> Yeah. Well, that that's and that's the

[46:44] real answer is we have code sets. We have an understanding. I I've done it

[46:49] for years and as a member of an NFPA committee, I understand the process.

[46:54] It's incumbent upon the fire chief to train the people to do the things that

[46:57] they need to do. We're not doing building plan review. We're not stamping

[47:01] drawings approved. We're not signing off on systems.

[47:06] We're witnessing their testing. We're making they operate,

[47:10] but it's a maintenance inspection so that we're not putting ourselves at risk

[47:14] of having somebody build a building. Marman house gets built and all of a

[47:18] sudden it doesn't have sprinklers and we said, "Well, it says approved right on

[47:20] the plan. Fire department weigh in." Yeah, but we we kind of missed that.

[47:25] Well, you had your shot. So, we're not we're not exposing oursel that way. And

[47:31] fire departments do have plan reviewers that are professional engineers. That's

[47:36] not what we do. We make sure that buildings are safe to occupy in the in

[47:39] the townships in the city that we cover and and that's what that's what we do

[47:44] using a very specific set of codes. So that's one of the [clears throat] the

[47:49] things is and the the good thing about it is you have two people. I I'm a firm

[47:56] believer in kind of two deep when when we're acting in this capacity because

[48:01] the he said she said potential and I've had it happen to me. You know what? You

[48:05] were you were doing the fire inspection. You told me I could.

[48:10] Well, I didn't and it's not written down and we've documented all the things, but

[48:14] the it's easier not to have the conversation. So, having the having that

[48:18] that backup is is a in my mind is a good way to do business. Hey,

[48:26] we shouldn't hire another full-time employee just so we have a friend that

[48:29] goes fire inspecting. But the idea is that it's a benefit of having that

[48:34] second person >> and those people can still do the hose

[48:37] testing and all that other happy stuff. [snorts]

[48:40] » So they do those people do the things >> the things. Yeah.

[48:45] » Um Heather does her things, I do my things and they have vehicle checks,

[48:51] they have host testing, they do the SCBA. So when and the idea is that that

[48:56] the other bonus is when the paid on call people come in to train, we train

[49:02] other other volunteer and other paid on call departments when they come in at

[49:07] least one meeting night is we got to check the SCBAs, we've got to start the

[49:10] vehicles, we got to go get fuel. So we have two nights,

[49:16] three hours max, you know, twice twice each month. So 24

[49:22] opportunities to to get training in the hands of the

[49:26] volunteer fire service. ISO says that 196 hours is a benchmark for a

[49:32] firefighter. That doesn't even come close to math,

[49:35] let alone hazmat company officer stuff, driver stuff. So for us to be able to

[49:40] leverage that to have quality firefighters on the paid on call side

[49:45] that aren't coming in and doing, I hate to say it, chores, doing the you know,

[49:49] turn the SCB on, turn it off. those things are done. We we have people that

[49:53] do those and the goal is also to have them

[49:59] more involved on the paid on call training side where those people are

[50:04] face to face. So if I have somebody that's doing all the checks and I never

[50:08] see them, how do I trust them? I just I don't know that person. Oh, these people

[50:13] are available all the time. How did you do that? Show me how this let me see

[50:17] that. And it's not necessarily a gotcha, but it's oh, I've got confidence that

[50:23] that you people are doing the things that that we rely on you to do because

[50:27] an SCBA that doesn't work. Yeah, that's catastrophic or hoses that aren't in

[50:33] good service, that can be catastrophic. So, they take care of the things that

[50:38] keep everybody well. And so, [snorts] that's a that's a bonus. They Yes, they

[50:42] can do anything. It doesn't take a certified person to do. So ladder

[50:46] testing probably out just simply because that's a that's a no kidding real

[50:52] engineer. Not you don't have to be an engineer, but there's there's definite

[50:55] math. There's definite things we don't know that go with that host testing. You

[51:00] you pump it up to 400 lb and you wait. You make a few marks and then you you

[51:04] write stuff down. The things that don't work you get rid of and the things that

[51:07] do work you put back on the vehicle. So yeah, if

[51:13] we think it will be of benefit to the department of the communities,

[51:19] if it doesn't work, I will sit here next year and say, "Hey, guess what? I'm

[51:23] going to try now." And [snorts] hopefully it's less money and more

[51:27] effective. Um, but it's it's one of those things where in eight weeks

[51:31] there's only so many things to see. But the things that

[51:35] have troubled me that I bother Heather with all the time are

[51:39] I want consistent coverage. That's what the community expects [snorts] and we

[51:44] want to be fiscally responsible. Okay, go. Those are the two big rocks.

[51:48] How do we get there in all of these line items, all responsibilities? So, I hope

[51:53] that's I hope the explanation is

[51:57] clear enough to make that something that we can do.

[52:04] » Any questions or suggested changes? Otherwise, we'll we can do our budget

[52:12] hearing in October. And I promise I won't forget to put it on the agenda.

[52:21] » So, just go ahead. >> Okay.

[52:26] » Thank you. >> You're very welcome.

[52:28] » Thank you. >> Your budget transfer form.

[52:32] » So, this is a printed rendering of

[52:37] We'll send

[52:51] this by earlier. Um, this is a printed rendering of an Excel sheet. So, it's

[52:57] got the items on it. It It doesn't look as cool as it does on the actual

[53:01] computer. Um but what it does is it it's basically it takes somebody who wants to

[53:08] move money which is Heather I through the process of doing the audit that says

[53:13] what what money do I have what where do I want to move it how do I want to move

[53:17] it and then I have to write down the justification and then I have to

[53:20] actually believe it and then we have four layers of people that sign off on

[53:25] it that say yes we had the money yes we concur that it's a good idea and and it

[53:30] tracks that through its life cycle So that um we don't just have we had 10

[53:37] over here, but now we've got seven because we had to move three over here.

[53:40] Well, maybe we did, but we've got a definitive reason why. And we we've got

[53:45] documentation that goes with it. So, I appreciate that we wanted one of those.

[53:49] Um, and it's if for some don't like the form, we'll

[53:54] just we'll make a different form. But I I think I hope we captured the things

[53:59] that that we were looking for there. >> The auditors will be delighted.

[54:04] » Yeah, I thought I thought this form was definitely like probably more than

[54:08] enough. Um, but it accomplishes exactly what we want. I mean, the main rationale

[54:12] is we're dealing with other people's money or tax dollars um and donations

[54:18] that come in. So, we should document when we are making those changes. I

[54:22] don't think there's been like any issues been on the board of it, but I was like,

[54:26] we're going to make these budget adjustments. Let's sign off on them and

[54:30] have a record of it. So, when auditors do come around or if someone's like,

[54:34] "Hey, you guys budgeted 30,000 on this item, but now you have 20 there and you

[54:38] put the other 10,000 here. Why did you do that?" We have it right here. So, no,

[54:43] I appreciate you putting this together and pulling together actually quite

[54:47] quick. I think he said to me like a week after I asked.

[54:51] » Oh, one thing I didn't forget.

[54:55] » Um, are there any further questions? I think it's it's very helpful.

[55:03] If there aren't any, I'll entertain a motion to approve this budget transfer.

[55:08] » I'll move to approve the budget transfer form.

[55:11] » I'll second it. I'll second it. >> You've got it first. I do. Sorry.

[55:15] » Got to be quicker. >> Yeah. Throw things.

[55:20] » Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All those in favor, please

[55:24] signify by saying I. >> I.

[55:27] » Those opposed, same sign. Motion passes. Okay. Discussion of equipment. Chief had

[55:34] wanted to talk a little bit about our meet.

[55:38] » I Yes. Um, I think my first meeting five

[55:44] minutes into my tenure, uh, James Cooper handed out a

[55:51] » an accounting of what it cost to maintain fleet. Um,

[55:55] and with engine 11 being purchased,

[56:01] most of the things I'll speak specifically to Squad 18, which is it's

[56:06] basically a toolbox on wheels, roll up doors, two people sit, and it goes to to

[56:10] calls. We use it for rescues, we use it for education.

[56:14] That those were the tools that it had on it. Engine 11 has all of those things.

[56:20] » Does Engine 11 have like everything? Engine 11 has most of of all of the

[56:25] things the so what the the department and this isn't a me thing the department

[56:30] has done a good job of making the engines very [clears throat] very

[56:34] similar so we have firefighting equipment we have some rescue equipment

[56:39] we have extrication equipment and they reside on multiple vehicles we've we've

[56:44] kept the department has kept those things in good working order so we have

[56:49] purse jaws of life equipment that works incredibly ly well that we're able to

[56:53] have on multiple vehicles. So we have depth. Um most departments don't have

[56:58] depth. So engine 11 has the newest of the the jaws of light, the stabilization

[57:06] equipment because you've seen it. It's it's large. the Pierce engineers have

[57:11] designed it so it holds it can actually hold more than it's it's

[57:16] rated to simply because the space exists. Uh

[57:21] with with that um maintaining vehicles that we don't

[57:27] use on a regular basis doesn't seem to be a good use of money.

[57:34] um in a in Appleton we're asking for a

[57:38] rescue. It's the same toolbox on wheels because we want to do something

[57:43] different. It's a hard justification to have the something else because

[57:49] so at

[57:53] we would like to recommend or we would like the ability to entertain selling

[58:01] the squad squad 18. Um, the bonus is it's the 2007.

[58:08] It doesn't have a ton of wear and tear on it, and you can actually get

[58:14] a decent dollar for it. Um, when you start to get to a a 25 or a 30-year life

[58:20] expectancy on a vehicle, the dollar that you get is just about scrap

[58:26] and

[58:29] we will have had to have maintained it. So,

[58:33] the tires, the oil changes, the everything else in order basically to

[58:36] keep it in the market.

[58:41] So that we don't have the number of people that

[58:47] we would need to even take it out. Um, and that mean we have engines that are

[58:53] in the same space um that end up costing money. Um, so

[59:02] in my mind being able to rightsize the fleet and I don't I'm not where I I

[59:07] don't know where right size is yet. Um it has a lot to do in my mind with ISO

[59:12] that the fire service rating where we it determines the protection class we have.

[59:17] Um but the the start is we have a vehicle

[59:21] that doesn't have anything on it right now and we're not intending to put

[59:25] anything back on it. um we don't have all the tools and equipment to run it to

[59:29] staff or to outfit another rescue. Um and there are people that will buy it.

[59:35] Um so

[59:38] disc I mean this is this is a discussion of it's

[59:42] » so squad 18 doesn't have any um like pump capability or water. It doesn't

[59:47] have any tanks on it. It's just equipment like hard tools and power

[59:53] equipment and hose and ladders can be on it. But

[59:56] » if you picture a Snap-on toolbox, >> it's a Snap-On toolbox with a motor and

[1:00:01] a steering wheel and and there are many cases where that is the

[1:00:07] 100% the right vehicle to do the things. When it was purchased, the intent was we

[1:00:13] we were at a certain number of engines. We had we needed a capability, I'm

[1:00:18] guessing. But this is how it normally goes. The the most economical way to to

[1:00:23] get that capability was to do this. I mean, you're not pump testing. You don't

[1:00:27] have the expenditure on all the hose. You don't have the I mean, it's a it's a

[1:00:31] it's not a crew cab. You have two two people. So, you're always taking

[1:00:34] something else out with it. Larger municipalities have rescue

[1:00:39] companies and they ride rescues and they're full of tools.

[1:00:43] We we don't have a rescue company. We have engine companies and we have a

[1:00:47] truck and it depends on what we put people on. Um

[1:00:52] and so it's the the toolbox is empty at this point.

[1:00:58] So if the board is agreeable, we can put it on um under old business at our next

[1:01:04] meeting for further discussion and possible action

[1:01:10] and head body. >> Yes.

[1:01:12] » Yeah. I guess I' I'd like to understand, you know, if it were to go to auction or

[1:01:18] if there was another municipality that was looking for something, what, you

[1:01:22] know, kind of the what value would we get be getting back out of it now at

[1:01:27] this point? >> So, that's just

[1:01:30] » Yep. And I can I can report back on that as to what

[1:01:34] » other interested municipalities or what what the the value at auction of a

[1:01:38] vehicle like that >> could be

[1:01:41] » could be. Um what the engine lot is a completely different the old engine is a

[1:01:46] completely different different story. U municipalities

[1:01:51] many municipalities either run them till they're dead and literally it's a towway

[1:01:56] » or they try and they industry practice has been to try and get the the cycle

[1:02:02] down to 15 years because 15 years is about the breakover point where the the

[1:02:07] chassis is good enough. The pump still pump tests on the engine side. The

[1:02:10] ladder will still will still pass its inspections and it's of value.

[1:02:16] Otherwise, you're you're selling something that is

[1:02:20] just not it's something that somebody else is

[1:02:24] going to either love and invest a ton of money in or rehab and rebuild and and

[1:02:28] spend the money to do that. So I I can come back to the prices, auction prices,

[1:02:34] just you know, sale prices and then look on Wisconsin surplus which is where some

[1:02:39] of the the vehicles go and just give a ballpark.

[1:02:44] » Okay. >> Are you going to be here tomorrow? Maybe

[1:02:48] a little field trip up there to take a look, see what we're looking at here.

[1:02:54] » You want to come down tomorrow and look at it?

[1:02:55] » Yes. Hey, somebody will be >> I will be here after

[1:03:02] 2:15 2:30. The city has a staff meeting at one so I need to be in attendance at

[1:03:07] » so 2:30 >> that staff meeting up and I will be out

[1:03:10] of town in the morning because >> I got a pretty tight schedule.

[1:03:14] » Well, [laughter] I've heard. >> Yes,

[1:03:18] I I'm going to see if I can pencil this in.

[1:03:20] » Yep. >> Thank you.

[1:03:21] » Absolutely. [snorts] Yeah. And I

[1:03:25] anytime anybody wants to come down, let me know and I can show you. I mean for

[1:03:29] me saying engines and trucks and rescues and squads and is just it's 30 some odd

[1:03:34] years of just talking like that where >> the idea that an engine company does has

[1:03:38] specific functions and a truck company has specific functions.

[1:03:42] » Sometimes people are like yeah but they're all trucks so

[1:03:45] » not really. But, you know, I'm not an electrician, so I think all the wires do

[1:03:51] the same thing, which apparently, [laughter]

[1:03:54] which is why I'm still scared of electricity.

[1:03:57] » I'm scared of electricity, too.

[1:04:03] » All these things for >> Okay, I'll I'll put it on the agenda for

[1:04:06] next month for us to discuss and take possible action. The next item is

[1:04:11] schedule the public hearing. Typically we do that at 6:45

[1:04:16] before the meeting. That we'll do it. Okay. And then we do have to discuss a

[1:04:23] retirement payout which is an action item.

[1:04:28] Um with um Howlet's retiring, he was hit 28 years on the department and um

[1:04:37] there's a thing that we have where he gets a $100 for each year he was on. So,

[1:04:42] he would get $2,800. Um, and that would go through his

[1:04:47] payroll according to CLA. >> Oh, okay.

[1:04:50] » I got that answer. So, um, >> good to know.

[1:04:53] » So, yeah. >> So, I would entertain a motion to um

[1:04:58] » I'll move to do the payout for John for $2,800.

[1:05:02] » No. >> Okay. Is there a second?

[1:05:05] » Second. >> Thank you. Any discussion?

[1:05:09] Is there anybody else that's going to retire?

[1:05:13] » Not that I'm aware of. >> I mean, because 2,800 that's that's all

[1:05:19] of what we have in the budget right now. >> No, we have 6,500 in the budget.

[1:05:24] » Yeah, >> because we do have the option of doing

[1:05:27] it. >> Oh, paying payments. Yeah, we have 65.

[1:05:30] We have 6500. >> Get it done. But what I'm saying is

[1:05:33] there's others coming

[1:05:37] » Well, I think Ron Feder has been here for a while and 54 years.

[1:05:44] » Ron would break the bank, but Ron's anomaly and I don't think he's going.

[1:05:48] » And Dennis Miller and >> Howard Stimber are the three most senior

[1:05:54] » uh serving fire >> people. Yep.

[1:05:57] » And they're not talking about retiring. >> No, not yet. They have not.

[1:06:03] » So, we have a motion by Luke and a second by Dave.

[1:06:08] Is there any further discussion? Because Gary asked a good question, right? We're

[1:06:15] almost at the end of the year, too. So, all those in favor, uh, please signify

[1:06:20] by saying I. >> I.

[1:06:22] » Those opposed, same sign. Motion passes unanimously.

[1:06:27] So, on the agenda for future meetings, we have our budget meeting at 6:45. And

[1:06:33] I would assume that Heather and the chief will have the budget finalized for

[1:06:39] us. >> Yep. I'll be ready.

[1:06:40] » And then um the discussion of right sizing the fleet.

[1:06:47] » Other than that, I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn.

[1:06:50] » I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'll second.

[1:06:53] » Okay. Thank you. All those in favor, please signify by saying I.

[1:06:59] » I. >> Those opposed, same sign.

[1:07:02] » We are journed.

Ripon Area Fire District Board Meeting 9-01-26

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