[0:05] They are good 3 to 5 weeks after the so-by dates. Certainly, those can be in milk, yogurt, dairy products as well.

[0:15] Well, what are some other ways to tell? I know Doug Roush, a former president of Fader Joe's is something of a mentor to you. What are some other ways that people like you and he might look at a can or a box and determine that something's wrong?

[0:31] I was always told that if the top of a can is like puffed up, beware.

[0:38] That's right.

[0:39] So, for cans, if they're dented or if they're puffed, they are probably no longer safe.

[0:45] But aside from that, if your can is in perfect condition, canned foods can last years and

[0:51] years and years, well past the dates on them, similarly box foods, any dry foods in your

[0:58] country are really good, almost indefinitely. And I think one place where people get confused

[1:04] is when they open a product from their pantry, let's say a curtain of soup, and they're

[1:09] not sure once it's opened, how long it's good for. And so oftentimes it will say on the package,

[1:15] but if not, you can sort of put that leftover, you know, four to seven days or typically about how long

[1:22] those products are good for. Well, Dana Gunders, what are things going to happen here in the US?

[1:26] We know the EU is reconsidering food labels.

[1:29] Some major food chains in the UK got rid of their best

[1:32] before labels.

[1:34] What's going to happen here?

[1:36] Yeah.

[1:36] Well, what we have seen happen here is in the private sector

[1:41] is moving towards voluntary guidelines towards just

[1:45] two dates on food.

[1:47] One that would indicate quality or freshness

[1:50] and with a phrase like best of used by and a separate phrase,

[1:55] like used by that would indicate there is a safety concern and that product really should be thrown out after that date.

[2:02] There has been more and more support from the corporate community actually to have the state label standardization because for

[2:09] why it would lead to less confusion among consumers, it would also

[2:14] supersede the state laws and there's so many different state laws out there that companies are having a follow.

[2:20] So it really would simplify things as well as reduce waste.

[2:23] Yeah. That's Dana Gunders executive director at Reefhead, a nonprofit that works with corporations

[2:29] and others to try to reduce waste and food. She's also author of the Waste Free Kitchen

[2:34] Handbook, a guide to eating well and saving money by wasting less food. Dana, thanks so much.

[2:40] I really appreciate it. Thank you, Robin.

[2:43] The tiny Pacific Island nation of Vanuatu is still struggling to recover one month after

[2:49] cyber-attack. The government isn't sharing many details about what happened, and that's

[2:54] added to the confusion. As NPR's Genomegloffland reports, the breach raises questions

[3:00] about the global costs of cyber crime and the future of geopolitical relations in the region.

[3:06] In Venezuela, too, in archipelago off the coast of Australia, newly elected government officials

[3:11] got off to a rough start. On November 6, new members of Parliament led by Prime Minister

[3:16] Anyway, if my alcohols account couldn't send any emails, something was wrong.

[3:22] Communication is vital in fenawatu.

[3:24] It's 320,000 citizens live across the chain of islands.

[3:29] Plus, the UN's the country most vulnerable to natural disaster.

[3:33] After first detecting a breach, things only got worse.

[3:36] They turned out all government programs were down from medical data to emergency systems.

[3:41] In weird, first country in the world, and we're not proud to say that, first country in the world that this has taken to.

[3:47] Glenn Craig is with Pacific Advisory, and he serves as the Chairman of the Vanuatu Business Resilience Council.

[3:54] It's not a bit time, and Vanuatu, I can assure you.

[3:57] There's still very little information out there about what happened. Those sources who spoke to NPR

[4:02] suggested Vanuatu had been hit by ransomware. The U.S. has had its fair share of damage inflicted by cyber criminals.

[4:08] But recently, the Pacific region has been getting hammered.

[4:12] Just last month, two major Australian companies were breached, prompting a strong response

[4:17] from Home Affairs Minister Clare O'Neill.

[4:19] A number of people have said, this is a big wake-up hole for our country, we cannot allow

[4:23] it to continue.

[4:25] In a call that reporters, O'Neill said that the Australian government would pursue the

[4:29] Russian dogs, her words, who stole people's healthcare information.

[4:33] Australian officials are on the ground helping get Vanuatu back on mine. Part of the urgency

[4:39] may be fears that China could take advantage of the situation to deepen ties to the tiny

[4:43] island nation by offering assistance or technology. Vanuatu is officially neutral and maintains

[4:49] friendships with both phasing and Washington. In his last update, the Vanuatu Prime Minister said

[4:54] 70% of systems have been restored. The questions remain about the impact of the month-long

[5:04] This afternoon on all things considered the government's charges of fraud and conspiracy against Sam Bankman Free, the former CEO of the cryptocurrency exchange FTX, who is now under arrest.

[5:17] You can hear that story on your radio or your phone or tell your smart speaker to play your local manifestation by name.

[5:23] It's here and now.

[5:39] Team 51, the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury, came to an agreement.

[5:44] Henceforth, the Fed will be in charge of monetary policy, and the U.S. Treasury will be in charge of debt.

[5:52] I nanny Scott, what that old agreement means for today's economy, next time on Marketplace.

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[7:13] It's here and now.

[7:14] The holiday season often means family recipes and they don't have to be fancy.

[7:19] One of my favorites is a family recipe for a South Indian prawn curry.

[7:24] All the women in my family make it most of the way.

[7:28] And in fact it's pretty close.

[7:30] Please to a recipe that we received from a listener from Yuma, Arizona, Sujata, Halankar. It's part of our

[7:36] month of sharing your family recipes. Sujata's recipe is for fish curry. Welcome, Sujata.

[7:43] Hi. So, I have to tell you that my family comes from the same coastal region of India, your family is from

[7:51] and my producer Kaliyani is also a company.

[7:54] So, between you and Kaliyani,

[7:56] we've got a lot of fish currys in our family.

[7:59] Yes, and it's really nice to know that you are from the same region.

[8:02] Yes, and to tell us about the women in your family and this recipe.

[8:08] Yes, so this recipe is a, I call it,

[8:10] the generation of the recipe.

[8:12] My grandmother started cooking it.

[8:14] My mom's mother started cooking it.

[8:17] And it's nothing very fancy, the ingredients are very basic, locally available ingredients like coconut, garlic, green chillies, onions, and chili powder, coriander powder, and that's about it, you know.

[8:33] And we are from the region where we grow a lot of coconut.

[15:18] Let's begin our meeting. I would like to introduce Pastor Daniel Palmer of North Rono Baptist Church. I would ask Pastor Cmonup, tell us a little bit about his church and his congregation.

[15:34] And then after he's finished with that, he let us know when he's ready to give the invocation. I would then ask everyone if you so desire.

[15:42] You don't have to, but if you so desire, you can stand up and join us in the invitation.

[15:47] And please remain standing, because after that we will do the pledge of allegiance.

[15:52] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[15:54] I'd like to be here today, a little bit about our church.

[15:57] Again, our church is North Rono Baptist Church, and we are people.

[16:02] We are people who have been rescued by Jesus to worship and proclaim His glory.

[16:07] And we are unapologetically committed to living that out in our daily lives.

[16:12] We believe the gospel is this that God has a son and he sent him to rescue us.

[16:16] He was crucified in our place risen on the third day as promised.

[16:20] And he is now ascended at the right hand of the Father, ruling and reigning and righteousness.

[16:25] And we are committed to following him.

[16:27] If you'd like to know more about this Jesus, we'd love to see you on Sundays.

[16:31] It's 6402 Peter Street Road at 9.15 for Bible study, and it's 10.30 for worship, but more to what might be of interest to you is the impact we are making because we've been changed by the gospel in the Roanoke Valley.

[16:45] We exist to be Christ Church, which is why we worship. We also exist to impact the Roanoke Valley. We want to make a positive difference in lives in the Roanoke Valley.

[16:55] We have a partnership with the League of Old Americans with their Let's Do Launch Program.

[16:59] We'd encourage you to come out and support them.

[17:02] We offer free ESL classes every Wednesday night to people who are learning English as a second

[17:07] language.

[17:08] We are the evacuation site for Burlington Elementary School and also for Runa County Schools

[17:12] if there's a more significant event for which we were our services and facility would be

[17:17] needed.

[17:18] We provide meals on a regular basis for the faculty and staff at Burlington Elementary Schools

[17:23] and Mountain View Elementary School.

[17:25] We provide open gyms to address teens in the Rona Valley,

[17:30] and we are a meeting site for various community events

[17:32] and organizations, everything from the sewing

[17:35] guild to the local fire department.

[17:37] So it's a blessing to be able to serve here

[17:40] in the Rona Valley and to be able to pray for you today.

[17:45] Let's pray.

[17:51] Our Father and our God, I give you praise for this board

[17:55] and for the people gathered in this room

[17:58] and their various roles and responsibilities

[18:01] to the residents of the county of Rona, Virginia.

[18:06] Guy, we thank you for a beautiful place to live,

[18:09] just driving down the inner state, the sun,

[18:13] and the clouds, and the mountains,

[18:14] it's a beautiful place to be, to work, and to live,

[18:18] and to have the opportunity to be a blessing to others.

[18:22] Guy, I pray that every member of the board this day

[18:26] And for as long as they serve, would see this as an opportunity that they would see it as a stewardship.

[18:32] God, that you would give them wisdom and the decisions that they make and the decisions that they make would be unto the end of human flourishing.

[18:40] God, that men and women and boys and girls throughout Rona County would have better lives because of the decisions that are made here.

[18:47] And God, I thank you for the liberty that we have at North Rona Baptist Church to gather freely, to worship freely, to conduct our lives under the lordship of Jesus Christ.

[18:56] without persecution or fear or interference from this governing body.

[19:00] God, I probably would always be that way

[19:02] that we would cherish the free exercise of religion here in

[19:06] Rono County.

[19:06] We thank you for the gospel in Jesus' name. Amen.

[19:14] I pledge allegiance to the flag like the United States of America.

[19:19] I pledge allegiance to the flag like the United States of America.

[19:22] I pledge allegiance to the flag like the United States of America.

[19:27] So,

[19:30] pastor, that is an impressive list of activities that most run-of practice is involved in it.

[19:39] I think you're real.

[19:40] You and your church are real gem in our community.

[19:45] Very impressive.

[19:45] Thank you.

[19:47] Thank you.

[19:52] Good afternoon and welcome to our meeting on December 13th, 2022.

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[21:05] Opening ceremonies item one roll call, Madam Clerk, would you please call the roll.

[21:09] Mr. Peters, here. This is a snowboard, Mr. Radford.

[21:15] Here. This is my home.

[21:16] There. I'd be request to postpone, add or to change the order of our agenda items.

[21:23] Are there any requests to postpone, add or change in the items on such evidence?

[21:28] Mr. Kaywood?

[21:30] No changes.

[21:32] Mr. Lou Beck.

[21:32] No, sir.

[21:33] Thank you, sir.

[21:36] That's a point of privilege on the part of the chairman.

[21:40] I've before we go into item C.

[21:42] Our proclamations, resolutions,

[21:45] recognitions and awards.

[21:47] I would ask the clerk to show the video

[21:50] from the state of the county meeting that we had last week.

[21:54] I had the opportunity and I thank Amy and Greg Craig and all the folks at RVTV.

[22:01] I had the opportunity to see this video several times and I think for many board members.

[22:07] The first time you saw it was Wednesday morning.

[22:10] I just think it is a fantastic video.

[22:13] Madam Clerk, would you please show it?

[25:08] Resolutions, recognitions and awards. See, one is a resolution, recognising, making pro-nice,

[25:14] assistant director of planning, for exemplary service, Toronto County. Mr. K. Wood and his pro-nice.

[25:25] Mr. Chairman, members of the board, as you all know, I think this is my favorite thing to do,

[25:30] is to come up with a very deserving employee to recognize, and this would represent that recognition for the

[25:38] was a quarter of this year, and today I'm recommending that you recognize Megan Cronis and

[25:45] I think is I got to hear at your state of the county address. Transportation has really

[25:51] become kind of the cornerstone and many of our economic developments and Megan is the cornerstone

[25:57] of that effort. And I was trying to think of what to say about Megan, because the accolades could

[26:02] go on for a really long time, but I thought it might go briefly back into history when I first came

[26:07] to the county, and as you know, I had a 20-year career

[26:10] at the highway department before coming here.

[26:12] But one of the first things I was told

[26:14] is the minimum floor is, or which we hired you,

[26:16] because if you were good at capital projects,

[26:18] we would want you to work on this.

[26:20] But forget about all the transportation stuff, the board.

[26:22] You don't know what I'd ever asked it in that.

[26:23] We're not doing anything with that.

[26:25] And just forget that that ever happened

[26:27] and work on these buildings.

[26:28] That's not OK.

[26:29] That was fine.

[26:29] I'll do that.

[26:31] But then after a year or so, I was looking around

[26:34] and thought what we really could benefit

[26:36] for some more investment and transportation and engagement there and I was looking for someone

[26:42] who could really carry that torch. And I like in my role in this process to Michael Jordan's

[26:47] Huskell basketball coach because you think he did have a coach and he's Westman for not letting

[26:52] Michael Jordan on the team have sophomore year. So Michael Jordan went and became the star of the

[26:57] JV team and then of course he had a very successful hospital career that led to the Michael Jordan

[27:04] know today. But the analogy there is very apt. I did work with Megan and tried to

[27:09] teach her what I knew, but just as Michael Jordan's Huskwood basketball coach

[27:13] could not play basketball nearly as well as he could. I certainly came to hardly any

[27:18] of the things that Megan does for us today. She has been instrumental in many, many,

[27:24] many, many applications for funding. I think for a county, our size, we have had

[27:28] phenomenal success. And the one thing that I think will really blast is I know as I

[27:34] to meeting around the state with Megan to talk about transportation or to see folks at V.D.

[27:40] To just about everybody that we see would love to have Megan be a part of their team and we're

[27:46] so fortunate to have her as a part of our team. So with that, I know the clerk will read the

[27:51] resolution here shortly, but I just can't thank her enough for all of her efforts and it really

[27:56] has been, I think, the background of that success we've seen and need to not be development.

[28:00] Madam Clerk, please read the resolution.

[28:03] Resolution organizing, Megan Kornnide, assistant director of planning for exemplary service

[28:08] to run a county.

[28:10] Bray as in May 2006, Megan Kornnide was hired by Wannock County as a planner too, and during

[28:16] her tenure has been promoted to principal planner, transportation planning manager, and assistant

[28:22] director of planning.

[28:23] And whereas Megan has led and managed transportation division of the planning department for

[28:28] last four years. And whereas Megan has developed strong, effective, working relationships

[28:33] and partnerships with local, regional and state transportation groups and agencies. And

[28:40] whereas Megan has coordinated and submitted many successful transportation grant applications

[28:45] over the years, including a hundred million of funded transportation projects in the rate of

[28:52] in 1960 corridors, multi-modal improvements along Plantation Road, Williamson Road, and West Main Street and Greenway projects,

[29:01] such as the Glade Creek Windway at the near Park West.

[29:05] And whereas in 2022, Megan has coordinated and assisted in the submission of 18 Grand Applications,

[29:12] Tolling non-Egming and transportation projects in studies, which included the successful funding

[29:18] of the court ran in the McAfee Nog Trail Head Shuttle, and we're as making continues

[29:24] to plan for transportation improvements to the county's transportation system,

[29:29] by coordinating recommendations in the Werner County, 200 Planyon, and the workforce

[29:33] 60 land use and connectivity study.

[29:36] And we're as making keep citizens, county departments, and the Board of Supervisors informed by the variety of transportation issues, including changes, traffic operations, traffic safety issues, funding opportunities, and current studies.

[29:53] And we're as making continues to be a strong and passionate advocate for the counties and regions transportation system.

[30:00] It resolved that the Board of Supervisors of R&T County expresses its deepest appreciation and the appreciation

[30:07] of the citizens of R&T County to make incolonized for her dedicated service to R&T County, and

[30:13] further the Board of Supervisors does express its best wishes for continued success in the

[30:19] future. Do we have a motion to approve the resolution? Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to approve

[30:24] the resolution. Do we have a session? Second.

[30:26] that court. Mr. Peters? Yes. Mr. Noor? Yes. Mr. Radford? Yes.

[30:34] Mr. Mahoney? Yes.

[30:37] Do you want to say anything or do you want to wait?

[30:38] So, today's side of Monday or it's end.

[30:43] I'll have something briefly.

[30:47] I would like to thank you very much for your remarks.

[30:50] I want to thank our team and transportation and planning because nothing I do I do alone.

[30:55] We have a fantastic team here at the county, not only in our department, but also across the county

[31:00] it's work with a number of people across departments.

[31:03] Some of them in the very back of the room, and I really do enjoy that.

[31:07] We also can't do what we do without the support of you, or be not safe with residency staff,

[31:11] where I'm 11th in his folks are outstanding, as well as the same district,

[31:15] I'm a be not.

[31:16] So, and lastly, I wanted to to thank Philip and Doug and Richard for when I come to them with an idea.

[31:24] They rarely talk me out of it, so we'll be able to move forward on some really new and innovative projects for the county is really exciting and it makes it fun to come to work every day to take on some videos.

[31:36] I really appreciate that.

[31:37] Any comment?

[31:39] Yeah, I'll go first.

[31:41] Well, I can understand them agreeing with you because you really do bring fresh and innovative ideas.

[31:46] And so it would be hard to say no to thoughts.

[31:50] So you're a great strategic anchor,

[31:53] and you kind of think about those moves,

[31:55] like the chess match.

[31:56] You think of those moves ahead of time.

[31:58] So when we get here, it's like, oh,

[32:01] we have got that figured out.

[32:03] So Megan, great.

[32:03] Thank you for recognizing her and we'll see you around.

[32:08] Just want to end to this.

[32:10] There's nobody that I'd really go to Richmond about to be.

[32:14] We did, but absolutely amazed me, you know, span of four days, government moves so swiftly

[32:20] to go before our state committee and succeed in living our message.

[32:27] I'm astounded in five years on this board that we did that so quickly, and just goes to show

[32:33] me that we can do it in a large part, the message is crafted by you.

[32:38] You make the PowerPoint saying, and you make the words that we deliver, and I want to thank

[32:43] in the bottom of my heart.

[32:47] So we treasure you.

[32:49] I mean, it's obvious we all just really appreciate your ongoing,

[32:52] I mean, you've been doing this kind of work

[32:54] for a long time now and from the planning department

[32:57] and even before transportation,

[32:59] you've excelled everywhere you've been.

[33:02] And this is just your latest victory lap

[33:05] and we're not surprised we appreciate you.

[33:12] I really don't know what else I'm saying.

[33:14] I mean, didn't all of that, but I again, like Martha, I've worked with Megan for just a few years,

[33:21] but we're not very old.

[33:24] And you've always been great to work with.

[33:28] Help me understand a lot of things when I question it.

[33:32] I don't think you're a huge asset to hear me.

[33:34] So thank you.

[33:35] Just one last thing was to chair.

[33:38] No good deed goes on punishment.

[33:40] So whatever, raise the bar so we can do it more.

[33:42] I know we'll succeed.

[33:45] This is what a girl would like to take a picture.

[34:13] Next item on our agenda.

[34:20] Next item on our agenda is item D.

[34:24] D. One is a briefing.

[34:27] Briefing to introduce Danny Poe,

[34:29] Assistant Director of Economic Development.

[34:32] Megan Baker.

[34:40] Hi, good afternoon.

[34:42] Mr. Chairman, members of the board.

[34:44] First, I would like to say,

[34:46] In my short time here, Director of Economic Development,

[34:49] I would reiterate the comments, all of Megan's work.

[34:52] It makes it great to be Director of Economic Development

[34:55] because transportation is huge.

[34:58] I am also grateful to introduce our new Assistant Director

[35:03] of Economic Development, Dianni Poe.

[35:06] Dianni brings over 15 years of experience

[35:09] in community and economic development.

[35:12] Most recently, she managed operations

[35:15] and risk management strategies for the RONOC regional airport commission.

[35:20] Prior to that, Danny was the economic development specialist for downtown RONOC.

[35:26] Danny is already a great addition to our team contributing her knowledge on the RONOC region,

[35:32] which is key for me and real estate. She's also a community leader,

[35:38] must notably serving as the chair of leadership,

[35:41] Bronex Ali, and she's also involved with the

[35:44] Ronex Buster's Club and Wastina Elementary PTA.

[35:49] I very much look forward to continuing to work with Danny to

[35:52] attract and retain business in Ronex, OK Ali.

[35:57] Danny, what would you like to say?

[35:59] Thank you.

[36:00] I really enjoyed my almost three two and a half weeks here.

[36:03] And I've enjoyed joining the team, Megan and Doug have been great in

[36:07] and I look forward to working with you as we get forward.

[36:11] I think I met Danny, I think it was last week.

[36:14] I think she had escaped from the HR and Dr. Nation.

[36:18] Was that a two day, is that a two day event that we go through now?

[36:23] And I think she's been here that long, and she already has dragged me into a leadership

[36:27] Rono Valley event tomorrow, so she's sitting the ground running.

[36:33] That's great.

[36:34] Thank you for joining us.

[36:35] Thank you.

[36:36] Welcome.

[36:39] Next slide, Monarch Indus.

[36:40] Item E1.

[36:41] New Business E1 is a resolution requesting the Commonwealth Transportation Board to fund a smart

[36:47] scale application for Interstate 81 southbound widening between exits 137 and exit 128

[36:56] to top of the Manchester Old District.

[36:58] It's grown nice.

[37:00] Thank you very much.

[37:01] Here we go again.

[37:03] Interstate 81 is critical to the economic vitality of the Commonwealth with highest per capita

[37:07] truck volume in the state, carrying nearly 50% of the state's value of goods.

[37:11] Interstate 81 also experiences the highest degree of congestion and crash density in

[37:15] the state, and when these factors are combined, it result in the highest proportion of

[37:18] incident delay compared to all other Virginia interstates.

[37:22] Interstate 81 is the artery connecting the run of valley to the new River Valley, and

[37:25] two Virginia Tech, in addition to serving as a preferred route for commuters and travelers

[37:29] the interstate.

[37:30] It provides a connection to place in and out of the run of Blacksburg Regional Airport, to two Amtrak trains each day to Virginia Tech's. Blacksburg campus to the Virginia Tech Courilion School of Medicine and to Redford University Courilion. The Smartway Bus Travels Interstate 81 daily to provide service between Bernard and Blacksburg, and the Virginia Breeze Bus Line also travels interstate 81 daily between Washington DC and Bristol, with stops at the exit 140 park and ride in the following branch, parking riding, Christiansburg.

[37:55] The segment of interstate southbound between exit 137 at Wildwood Road and exit 128 at

[38:00] Ironto is the only segment of the 32 mile long interstate between Christiansburg and

[38:04] Troutville that is not currently funded for widening. While vitally important this project

[38:09] was the first interstate 81 corridor plan project to miss being funded through the original

[38:15] interstate 81 project programming in 2020. The northbound segment between exit 18 and Christiansburg

[38:21] and exit 137 at Wildwood Road is currently in design.

[38:25] The crash history along the 7 mile long South Island segment

[38:27] of the interstate is also significant.

[38:29] There have been 251 crashes since 2018

[38:32] for an average of 50 crashes per year or about one crash per week.

[38:37] And five deaths that have occurred in four crashes

[38:39] since February 2020.

[38:41] We combined with already high traffic volumes,

[38:43] these frequent crashes gridlocked not only

[38:44] interstate 81 South Island, but also around 11460

[38:47] and of any other east west route in the region.

[38:50] On December 6, 2022, the Commonwealth Transportation Board voted to submit a SmartScale application for this segment of interstate.

[38:57] The Commonwealth Transportation Board understands that there are great efficiencies in cost savings and designing and widening both directions of interstate at the same time.

[39:05] Delane widening of the Southbound segment for several years will only cause redesign, reconstruction, additional cost, and increased driver disruption when this project is eventually programmed.

[39:14] Rona County staff have been collaborating with VDOT, Salem District staff to compile smart

[39:18] scale application components.

[39:20] If adopted, the proposed resolution of support will be submitted as part of the application

[39:24] and mid-December.

[39:25] The application would then be scored with all of the other smart scale-dryne round five applications

[39:29] and Rona County did submit eight with the help of the Transportation Planning Organization.

[39:35] The town event in Montgomery County has passed resolutions of support for this project

[39:38] and the Rona Regional Chamber of Commerce has written a letter of support.

[39:41] Later this week, the Ronit Valley Transportation Planning Organization and the Ronit Valley Allegheny Regional Commission will consider resolutions at support.

[39:48] And next week, the City of Ronit and Botatop County will consider resolutions at support.

[39:52] The City of Salem is also considering a letter or resolution of support for the project.

[39:56] There's no fiscal impact as this SmartScale program provides 100% funding for selected projects and staff recommends approval of the resolution.

[40:03] I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

[40:06] Chairman, let me come.

[40:08] Mr. No. Thank you.

[40:10] This is the great example of regional partnerships and relationships.

[40:17] In a span of four or five days, we contacted

[40:20] the County Administrative Society morning and we talked

[40:25] Megan, Commonwealth Transportation,

[40:26] rotation, Delling at Austin, B.D. reached out to the local governments to make them aware

[40:35] of this, and B.D. was the first one to adopt the resolution calling us just before six

[40:42] of clock.

[40:42] On December 6th, as we drove through the following of that evening, I think that Mayan was

[40:48] worried about me driving through the fog and talking on the phone, which kind of scary,

[40:52] you know what I mean.

[40:54] But they said, what do we do?

[40:57] You passed the resolution.

[40:59] We haven't heard back from the Comwell Transportation Board.

[41:04] They went ahead with the resolution,

[41:06] and were the first ones to do so.

[41:08] And until long, letting the year 1st forbidden,

[41:12] that Mr. Peters always tells us about.

[41:14] But at the end of the day, we got a phone call

[41:17] a moment later from the Transportation Representative

[41:20] their doctorate smooth. This passed 15th and nothing with one extension. And I encourage you

[41:26] if you have more ready to listen to the remarks that we made. And then wait towards

[41:30] end of the meeting in the last seven minutes to hear the Secretary of Transportation, the

[41:35] Commissioner, Birch and others speak of the support for this project. It was absolutely

[41:42] overwhelming. And I want to tell you, Megan, that it was teamwork that did this in more

[41:51] And it just goes to show you what we can do when we all work together.

[41:55] Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[41:56] Any questions?

[41:58] Ms. Cronex.

[41:59] I don't have any questions, but I'm so appreciative of this effort

[42:03] living in the Western side of Burnup County.

[42:06] We are impacted frequently with the impacts of the interstate construction.

[42:12] And it's been over capacity for a really long time.

[42:17] So greatly appreciate this effort.

[42:19] to make a motion that will make a real quick comment and you can hear the compassion Mr.

[42:29] Norris voice.

[42:30] He is so excited that we can get this funding approved.

[42:36] If we didn't have somebody like him on board pushing this, who knows what would have happened.

[42:44] So I thank Mr. Norris for his enthusiasm, his passion,

[42:47] He really drives us for us in transportation.

[42:51] I don't want to drive the train.

[42:54] Okay.

[42:55] Correct.

[42:55] To train us.

[42:57] Anyway, I'd like to...

[43:00] One sort of minor point.

[43:03] On the resolution, under paragraph two,

[43:06] we say that the clerk of the board will send a certified copy of this resolution

[43:10] to Dr. Race Mode.

[43:13] And I was wondering, should that be modified or amended

[43:16] that we send a copy of this resolution to all the members of the Commonwealth Transportation Board,

[43:23] including race mode. Is that, or, Phil, you know a little bit more about this?

[43:29] Exactly, the Commonwealth Transportation Board should go to all the members, and not just,

[43:33] but we'll have to search for those members on that.

[43:35] I would recommend that that be followed up first with the phone call Richard Knox move to make sure that's in the

[43:43] I don't know that we've done it in a form where we certainly can't consider it.

[43:49] I'd just like to weigh in with a doctor to give his endorsement of that protocol.

[43:55] Mr. Eiff.

[43:56] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[43:57] I'd like to make a motion to approve the resolution requesting the Commonwealth Transportation Board

[44:04] on the SmartScale application for Interstate 81, Southbound Lodding between Exit 137 and Exit 128.

[44:14] We have a motion. Do we have a second?

[44:16] Second, of course.

[44:18] Mr. Bader, this is so court. Yes. Mr. Norther.

[44:22] Yes. Mr. Bradford.

[44:22] Yes. Mr. Mohan.

[44:24] Yes.

[44:26] Next item item 2 is request to approve the strategic target outcome areas and to endorse the strategic planning

[44:35] work plan.

[44:37] Amen.

[44:57] Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman.

[44:59] And members of the book.

[45:00] I am here today to ask for your approval of the strategic target outcome areas and for your endorsement of the three-year work plan for Rona County.

[45:12] Just as a brief history, in May of the year, the board met for a two-day strategic planning retreat to discuss the current landscape of Ronaoke and work together to envision the future for the county.

[45:25] Following these days, seven strategic outcome areas emerged.

[45:31] For each of these strategic outcome areas,

[45:34] the board also developed a vision statement,

[45:37] which describes the outcomes of successfully accomplishing

[45:41] each of these target areas.

[45:44] Continuing the work of the board,

[45:46] staff met to discuss ways to implement the vision of the board.

[45:50] Staff worked throughout the summer and into this fall to create a detailed work plan for each of these target outcomes.

[46:00] This plan was shared with the board at a September work session.

[46:05] During that September work session, staff reviewed the three-year work plan and received feedback.

[46:12] Following the work session, revisions were made based on that feedback.

[46:16] As we look through the PowerPoint, the 7th strategic target outcome areas are displayed on the board.

[46:24] We will go a little more into detail in the next few slides.

[46:28] Economic development, Rowano County is open for business.

[46:33] We proactively work with prospects and partners to seek new business.

[46:37] Our prime locations assist in the expansion of existing businesses in the attraction of new industries.

[46:47] Our prime locations cope to collaborate in foster connectivity to the world.

[46:54] We offer and continue to expand a skilled workforce to meet the changing needs of businesses in industries.

[47:02] Our county's strong financial stability enable us to partner with businesses to assist them in expansion or locating to Roanoke.

[47:16] Community development Roanoke County is a well-planned and vibrant community.

[47:22] Our innovative strategies develop communities that offer housing and services to all of our citizens.

[47:29] We facilitate growth by reducing barriers to development and redevelopment, and by adhering

[47:37] to standards that protect our resources for future generations.

[47:42] We seek opportunities to responsibly develop our undeveloped land through zoning enhancements,

[47:49] reduce regulation, and infrastructure expansion.

[47:55] Outdoor Recreation.

[47:57] Rowano County is a scenic community in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

[48:02] It is a premier national destination for outdoor recreation.

[48:06] We have an accessible, connected system of local, regional, and national parks.

[48:13] Our innovative programs ensure that we meet the needs in the interests

[48:17] within the changing landscape of recreational trends

[48:21] and a desire for healthy lifestyle.

[48:23] We offer a robust community park system that provides a variety of amenities for all ages and all abilities.

[48:34] As we look at the education slide, you will note there is red font.

[48:38] This is to show the incorporated change based on the discussions ahead of the September work session.

[48:44] Education, Rowano County Schools are nationally recognized and accredited.

[48:51] We have an excellent and efficient school system that develops K through 12 education, preparing students to excel at the collegiate level.

[49:01] And thrive in our local workforce.

[49:04] Rowano County Economic Development and Rowano County Public Schools will partner with local businesses and industries to train students.

[49:14] thus ensuring alignment with current and future workforce needs.

[49:20] Our educational facilities provide efficiently scaled, safe,

[49:25] and technologically advanced learning environments.

[49:29] We recognize that changes in demographics

[49:31] and other educational options require public education

[49:36] to adapt with innovative approaches.

[49:42] Housing, Rowano County is a great place to live.

[49:45] We have well-planned appropriately placed housing that meets the needs of our changing demographics.

[49:52] We have neighborhoods with a wide variety of densities, styles, amenities and price plants.

[49:59] In order to provide diverse housing options for our growing workforce,

[50:05] we provide robust housing choices that meet the needs of our residents of all income levels,

[50:11] Life stages and abilities. Our dancer neighborhoods are interconnected and are served by a

[50:20] wide variety of public and private conveniences that contribute to a high quality of life.

[50:30] Public safety. Rowano County is a safe community. We recruit and retain dedicated and compassionate public safety employees

[50:39] who are prepared to respond to a myriad of public safety issues that may arise.

[50:45] We support our local law enforcement professionals in their work to protect the lives and the properties of the citizens of Rona.

[50:55] And lastly, organizational effectiveness.

[50:59] Rona County is the important choice in the Rona region.

[51:03] We are financially strong, trusted by our citizens, and regional partners, and innovative

[51:09] in our approach to our work.

[51:12] As we continually evaluate our organizational structure, our staffing, and our programs.

[51:18] We are widely recognized across the region, state, and nationally for our business of

[51:24] practices.

[51:25] Our citizens are well informed and understand our decisions and the issues facing the county.

[51:36] As we look at our next steps, staff is working towards developing a system to track and to report the progress of these plans to the board.

[51:45] We plan to re-valuate this three-year work plan as necessary.

[51:49] At this time, staff recommends a approval of the Rowano County Strategic Target Outcome

[51:56] Areas in endorsement of the three-year work plan.

[52:00] I would be happy to take any questions.

[52:05] Any questions?

[52:09] Thank you.

[52:11] Thank you for that presentation.

[52:14] Are you going to consider looking at laying this out in a linear format like a gap chart

[52:19] so we can see the movement of all parts and pieces that we've thought about

[52:24] We have had brief discussions on ways to track, at the moment.

[52:30] At that moment, we have not settled on one particular outcome. Since there are so many areas that we are working through, we are going to work on something that's visually aesthetically pleasing. And that will track timing was.

[52:45] Mr. Norse Chair, comment, it would be in industry there's a morning report that you

[52:55] can click on and it shows the updates as it moves through time.

[52:59] And it's nothing that we can change just look at, so you might consider putting something

[53:04] on the web page that can be shared and be transparent.

[53:08] So not only we can check it, but, you know, citizens can check it too,

[53:13] to the extent it's something not confidential, of course,

[53:15] that we negotiate it.

[53:17] But that would be a modern way of doing that.

[53:21] And you can incorporate the dance charts or whatever you choose to do,

[53:24] or whatever, software package, project manager, package, anything.

[53:28] It's the might more, but if we give you a high level,

[53:31] by each category, what's going on through time.

[53:35] So just a thought.

[53:36] It might be some software package you can purchase and do that with.

[53:40] Yes, sir.

[53:41] Good job.

[53:42] Thank you.

[53:43] Just a quick note, Madeline.

[53:45] This really, I think, encapsulated our discussions and our desires for going forward.

[53:52] Thank you for your work on this thinking.

[53:55] And all of staff.

[53:56] I know this was a huge effort.

[53:58] Thank you.

[54:03] We're reading this over the weekend, it truly is a lot of work,

[54:11] we got to go back and revisit what we did back in the spring, and then what we had to work session in September.

[54:16] But just the one aspect that jumped out of me is it looks like we're hiring, we're going to be hiring an awful lot of consultants.

[54:27] And I guess that's the one aspect that worries me is that the wedding impact that has on the operational budget,

[54:33] because it's seemed like in any of those categories.

[54:37] We're looking at hiring a consultant for a variety of these different initiatives.

[54:43] And I know we have a fairly narrow and tight staff.

[54:50] We don't have a lot of 15 years, so I don't know how we would accomplish all of these strategic

[54:57] goals.

[54:58] But at the same time, I guess I worry about hiring consultants, what's the old joke?

[55:05] You hire a consultant to come in with a briefcase and a watch and they consult and tell

[55:09] you what time it is.

[55:10] I could consult and ring, the only thing I could consult and ring is the build of the day.

[55:16] And any event?

[55:18] With that, I would ask for emotion to approve the staff recommendation for this item.

[55:24] Those are two approved.

[55:25] We have a second.

[55:26] Second.

[55:27] Encore.

[55:28] Dispaders?

[55:30] Yes.

[55:30] This is hook or yes.

[55:31] There's no word.

[55:32] Yes.

[55:32] Mr. Randford.

[55:34] Yes.

[55:35] Thank you, Anna.

[55:37] Item 3 is presentation of the year-end financial result results for June 30, 2022.

[55:43] We have the acceptance of the audit report and allocation of year-end revenues, Jessica

[55:49] Beemer, the Assistant Director of Finance and the Management Services, and together Mr.

[55:54] John Aldridge from Partner, Brown Edwards, floor's yours.

[55:58] Good afternoon, Chairman and members of the board.

[56:01] I would first like to introduce John Aldridge, who is partner at Brown Edwards and company.

[56:05] He's here to provide you with a brief update of our fiscal year 2022 external audit result.

[56:14] Thank you.

[56:14] Thank you all for having us.

[56:16] And by 28 plus years with the firm, this is the shortest meeting I've ever got to come to.

[56:21] Because our office is right across the street now.

[56:24] So this is nice.

[56:25] So it actually kind of dodge cars and walk across the road to come here today.

[56:30] But it's good to be in the neighborhood.

[56:32] As you know, each year you all have to have an audit.

[56:35] And that is required by state code.

[56:38] And as part of that audit, this also includes the school board and economic development of

[56:43] authority.

[56:44] This process begins all the way back in April, and we start planning it and meeting with

[56:50] your staff and start looking at things at that point in time, and it progresses all through

[56:55] the summer until finally there's a meeting with the audit committee and you go over the details

[57:00] of the audit, and that meeting is already taking place, and then finally the last thing

[57:05] do is put the bow on the audit and that's what I'm here for the day to put the bow on it.

[57:10] So at the end, your audit was issued and you got an unmodified opinion, okay.

[57:16] That's the highest level of assurance we will put on a financial report, so it's a clean

[57:20] opinion.

[57:21] So you all got a clean opinion on the financial report.

[57:24] Everything was done and completed and signed off on on December 1st.

[57:29] It's not due with the commonwealth until December 15th, so you guys were two weeks ahead

[57:34] time on that with the filing. And what I will mention to you, and you all know this, your

[57:40] finance department has worked very hard. Okay, oftentimes short staff. And they were able

[57:47] to pull this together, provide us with a document to audit, and again, get this done on

[57:52] time. So I wanted to just make sure I commend it for that. A couple other things I will

[57:57] mention to you all, as part of the audit, we have to task compliance with federal money

[58:02] come to the county. You all had approximately $33 million of federal expenditures this year.

[58:09] Okay, we have to test to percentage of that. I'm pleased to let you know in doing those tests

[58:14] with compliance to the federal rules. There were no findings at all. So no instances where federal

[58:20] dollars were spent inappropriately on the programs we looked at or things like that. So once again,

[58:26] you've got an unmodified opinion on the federal expenditures. And then lastly, we have to look

[58:31] at the state compliance requirements.

[58:35] And anybody that's looked at the state code and state

[58:37] guide, it's pages upon pages of things we have to look at

[58:41] and compliance.

[58:42] And again, there I'm pleased to let you know there were no

[58:45] findings at all as far as that goes.

[58:48] And then the last item I'll mention to you that I like to

[58:50] look at for governments is look at your fund balance,

[58:54] in particular in the general fund, because that's

[58:57] the operating fund of the county.

[58:59] And what I did was just kind of go back over the last 10 years and look at fund balance.

[59:05] And if you go through that exercise, what you will find is,

[59:08] do you all have been steady right out about one and a half to 1.4 months

[59:13] of reserve sitting in Tonson fund balance?

[59:16] The reason I tell you that is, you're just showing a model of consistency.

[59:21] Even though the economy might be this, you all have been steady.

[59:24] You've made the right choices when it comes to expenditures.

[59:27] When you needed to cut things back, you have, but again, it's very steady as an auditor, we

[59:33] like to see that.

[59:34] You know, I don't like the fluctuations, so you guys have done a very good job of keeping

[59:39] things steady and keeping that fun balance where you have.

[59:43] So with that being said, I'm happy to answer any questions about the process or anything you'll

[59:47] might have.

[59:49] I guess I'd turn initially to our audit committee, Mr. Peters and Mr. North.

[59:54] Any questions?

[59:55] There are questions, but I think I don't speak far from both of us that.

[1:00:00] And he said it, our finance department does a fabulous job, and this just shows us once again what the people we have in the third floor who take the cabs.

[1:00:12] It keeps us in line.

[1:00:13] And they've been so kind to give us a little light reading.

[1:00:19] That's a good story, too. Just to ask one question, don't without getting into specifics.

[1:00:26] We can pair pretty strongly against anyone else in the state or we're, you know, we're in the top 10% or even comment on that.

[1:00:37] I mean, I'm hearing good vibes there and I'm assuming we're probably, we don't have this flexibility up and down compared to other

[1:00:46] localities in the commonwealth, county wise, are we pretty pretty strong?

[1:00:50] You're very conservatively managed, I will tell you that.

[1:00:54] I've got some clients where that number where I told you your months and fun balance

[1:00:59] of $1.24, they're considerably less than that.

[1:01:03] I've got other clients that are much higher.

[1:01:05] And there's really no magic number.

[1:01:07] What I will tell you is if you're a locality, the size of run accounting, and you know you've

[1:01:12] got a diverse tax base, so it's not like all your tax revenues coming in from one business.

[1:01:16] You know, if you were a small town, you had one factory, then you probably need two years of reserve sitting there in case they do layoffs or not.

[1:01:26] But being your size and having all these different taxpayers and consistency, I think you all are doing a good job.

[1:01:32] Thank you.

[1:01:33] Thank you.

[1:01:35] With that, I would ask for a motion to accept the report and also to re-allocate the funds.

[1:01:44] Make a motion to approve.

[1:01:46] Yeah, motion.

[1:01:47] Not court.

[1:01:49] Mr. Peters.

[1:01:50] Yes.

[1:01:50] Mr. Hook court. Yes.

[1:01:51] Mr. North.

[1:01:52] Yes.

[1:01:53] Mr. Radford. Yes.

[1:01:54] Mr. Mahoney.

[1:01:55] Yes. Thank you, Mr. Roller.

[1:01:56] Thank you.

[1:01:57] Thank you.

[1:02:02] I mean, for as a resolution directing the county attorney to file a petition for no special election

[1:02:09] upon the retirement of Stephen Amigra as the run-up county circuit court clerk.

[1:02:13] And that Ronda D. Perdue be vested with the powers and duties of such office

[1:02:17] for the remainder of the odd expired term of office.

[1:02:21] Mr. Lubak and Mr. McGraw.

[1:02:23] I ask you.

[1:02:24] That's a little bit.

[1:02:24] You go for it.

[1:02:26] Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

[1:02:29] At first, it is my pleasure to recognize and welcome

[1:02:31] Mr. McGraw and this Purdue who are here with us today.

[1:02:35] And as you know, Mr. McGraw is a former member of this board

[1:02:38] in a long time serving Toronto County.

[1:02:42] He has served as the clerk of Toronto County Circuit Court

[1:02:44] for many years.

[1:02:45] Most recently he was elected by the citizens of Ronald County to service the clerk of court for a term commencing January 1st, 2016, and ending December of 2023.

[1:02:58] Mr. McGraw has recently submitted his notice to retire, effective on February 1st, 2023, and we congratulate him.

[1:03:07] Section 24.2, 228.1B of the Code of Virginia, provides that census vacancy, which is occurring within the 12 months immediately proceeding the end of Mr.

[1:03:19] Rose terms. The governing body, the board, may petition the circuit court to request that no special election be ordered and the court by code will grant such a request.

[1:03:33] So it is proposed at the Board at Dr. Resolution, directing the county attorney to file a petition, requesting that no special election be ordered.

[1:03:43] And that pursuant to the Court of Virginia, Ronda D. Perdue, the highest ranking deputy officer for the Court of Court,

[1:03:51] be vested with the powers and perform all of the duties of this office for the remainder of the unexpired term.

[1:03:58] And, therefore, the election to fill the vacancy would be held at the general election

[1:04:04] of which is would be scheduled for November 7th of 2023.

[1:04:09] I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.

[1:04:12] Do we have any questions in this resolution lecture so we allow Mr. Dorado to speak?

[1:04:16] Thank you, Dr. Rowling.

[1:04:18] Mr. Dorado.

[1:04:21] Mr. Dorado.

[1:04:22] Mr. Dorado.

[1:04:23] Dorado.

[1:04:24] Dorado.

[1:04:26] Dorado.

[1:04:30] Mr. Chairman, the members of Board staff, thank you so much for this opportunity.

[1:04:34] I'll stay within my three minutes.

[1:04:38] In May of 1985 at age 34, I was serving the first two stances chairman of this board

[1:04:43] when we suddenly found ourselves without a county administrator.

[1:04:48] Fortunately, a year earlier, we had hired away from a government county, a young lawyer

[1:04:52] as our county attorney.

[1:04:54] So, for the next six months, Paul Mahoney spent untold hours serving as both attorney and

[1:05:00] administrator for Ronald County. From that time forward, Paul can do no wrong.

[1:05:07] In January of 1992, I became Ronald County Circuit Court Clerk and soon realized that

[1:05:12] halfway through the budget year that I had inherited it. It was short $60,000. I requested

[1:05:18] those funds from this board. They were granted without contest and that never happened. Again,

[1:05:23] I can assure you that within the next 31 years, in fact, we've proud ourselves annually in producing more revenue than is required to operate our office.

[1:05:33] Then in September of 2005, we learned that an additional circuit court judge had then added to our 23rd judicial circuit, and that we needed another deputy clerk in our office's criminal division.

[1:05:44] Once again, this board granted us the additional position without hesitation and for the past 17 years we have had no further staff increases.

[1:05:56] Which brings us up to today, my retirement on February 1st, and my recommendation that this board authorized the appointment of Chief Deputy Clerk Rhonda Perdue to finish out the final 11 months of this my fourth term of office.

[1:06:09] Ronda has been employed in our office for 26 years, and most of our accomplishments, I can assure you she was involved with very instrumental in our office.

[1:06:21] There's no one better suited nor more qualified for this position than Ronda predicted.

[1:06:27] Thank you for your fine words.

[1:06:30] Mr. McGraw said I've been with the county for 26 years and I've enjoyed it from day one and

[1:06:37] I'll look forward to finishing out in this capacity and looking forward to working with everyone.

[1:06:43] Thank you.

[1:06:45] Any questions?

[1:06:46] Mr. Bazar, Mr. Chair.

[1:06:47] Thank you.

[1:06:50] Do I have to put that on my economic development disclosure form?

[1:06:55] Thank you.

[1:06:58] Thank you.

[1:07:00] I've worked with Steve, obviously, as he said, for many years.

[1:07:06] He was on the board when I was hired as County Attorney in 1984.

[1:07:13] We went through some difficult issues with the County Administrator vacancy.

[1:07:19] There happened to be a thing called the Flood, if I recall in November of 85.

[1:07:23] that was somewhat exciting and I want to say...

[1:07:31] When I was County Administrator, I was a scrambling and we had some really good people in our fire and rescue department, really good volunteers. Steve came out. I remember, gee, Steve, you went to what Walmart, but a whole bunch of blankets on a emergency basis, so that we had a lot of people who were in shelters. So Steve and I go back a long time. I wish you well in your retirement.

[1:07:59] I've known Ronda for many years in the Clare's office, I've always been very helpful, so thank you for your service.

[1:08:08] Do we have a motion to approve the resolution so that our county attorney can file the appropriate paperwork and make the judges happy?

[1:08:17] Motion to approve, but I'd like to make just one quick comment, and that is, see, thank you for all your years of service.

[1:08:24] We've genuinely appreciate all you've done for Rotten County and have been faithful in that service and want to welcome.

[1:08:32] Just a comment as well.

[1:08:34] Thank you, Steve, for welcome being on the board five years ago.

[1:08:38] You know, doing lunch one day in downtown and visiting in your office.

[1:08:43] The office over there is very well organized and you'll be missed personally,

[1:08:47] but I believe they're well the one machine so they can go on without you.

[1:08:50] And that's the pushes to a great retirement.

[1:08:56] Second.

[1:08:58] Thank you.

[1:08:59] The motion.

[1:08:59] Let me head.

[1:09:01] That'll start.

[1:09:02] Mr. Peters.

[1:09:03] Yes.

[1:09:04] Mr. Zucker?

[1:09:04] Yes.

[1:09:05] Mr. North?

[1:09:06] Yes.

[1:09:06] Mr. Radford?

[1:09:07] Yes.

[1:09:09] Thank you.

[1:09:16] Item E5.

[1:09:18] This is a resolution of proving a memorandum

[1:09:20] of understanding between the Rono County Board of Supervisors

[1:09:22] and the Rono County School Board regarding

[1:09:25] enjoying capital funding.

[1:09:29] Is it a little back?

[1:09:30] This all.

[1:09:31] Thank you.

[1:09:32] Thank you.

[1:09:32] Good afternoon again.

[1:09:34] Mr. Chairman, members of the board.

[1:09:36] And as the board is well aware, this memorandum of understanding was presented to the school board at your recent meeting on December 7 following the state of the county address.

[1:09:46] And the purpose of the memorandum of understanding was to update the policy for the financing of necessary

[1:09:53] County and school capital projects and a fiscally responsible manner and to thereby avoid unnecessary budgetary conflict.

[1:10:03] And for our public who will be viewing this for the first time, it would be helpful and I believe to review some of the background as to how we got here.

[1:10:14] Between 1997 and 2001 the Board of Supervisors appropriated funds to the school board for what was then phase one of the school capital improvement program totaling 47.7 million dollars between 2001 and 2004 the Board of Supervisors funded phase two of the school CIP at a total cost of 23 million dollars.

[1:10:42] Because of this, the large capital amount of school capital needs, the county needs were largely put on hold.

[1:10:51] But in 2004, the county committed to building much needed public safety building to house police, fire, dispatch, and information technology services at a cost of $28 million.

[1:11:04] That brings us to 2005, and 2005 the county's budgetary funding for debt payments within the county's current tax and structure were depleted.

[1:11:15] However, many capital needs remained for both the schools and the general county government.

[1:11:22] Because the ability to fund the needed future capital projects was uncertain, the Board of Supervisors and the school board worked together.

[1:11:29] They worked collaboratively on a long range financial plan that would enable both boards to plan and fund future capital needs.

[1:11:40] Accordingly, the Board of Supervisors adopted a policy, which established a variety of reserve policies and funds, and a combined debt payment reserve fund.

[1:11:51] And for today's purposes I will highlight only that single fund, the combined debt payment reserve fund.

[1:11:59] It is important to note that the policy pertaining to this combined debt payment reserve fund included first a contribution schedule that was used to fund debt service.

[1:12:10] The boards each committed to annually adding an additional $300,000 to the fund.

[1:12:16] For example, in the 2005-2006 budget, the Board's jointly contributed an additional 600,000 to the fund.

[1:12:28] In 2006-07 budget, the Board's jointly contributed an additional 1,200,200,000 to the fund, et cetera.

[1:12:38] Additionally, the policy pertaining to this combined debt payment reserve fund also set forth a borrowing schedule for the acquisition of new debt as these prior debts were paid off.

[1:12:51] After the first several years, a three-year cycle of borrowing was established, which authorized the acquisition of new debt in an amount not to exceed ten million dollars each year.

[1:13:02] For two consecutive years of each three-year cycle, the funds, 20 million, were devoted to school capital needs,

[1:13:11] and the third year, the funds, 10 million, were devoted to general county capital needs.

[1:13:18] As policy was updated in fiscal year 2021 and again in 2023 to increase the borrowing amount to 12 million

[1:13:27] and subsequently to 17 million.

[1:13:30] Further, incremental annual debt service contributions,

[1:13:34] as required, were included in the annual budgets for both boards.

[1:13:39] As recently shared by a letter from the school board on November 10th of 2022,

[1:13:44] the board has designated three capital projects that merit timely attention.

[1:13:50] First, the construction of a new career and technology center,

[1:13:54] which we have been discussing extensively and referred to as a CTE facility.

[1:14:01] Second and third are the renovation of Glencove and W.E. Kunderth Elementary Schools.

[1:14:09] These schools were built with an open concept design and teachers have found it very challenging

[1:14:14] to teach the students effectively in such environments.

[1:14:18] The School Board has requested clarification from the Board of Supervisors regarding a time frame

[1:14:24] in which all three of these projects can be completed.

[1:14:28] And as noted previously, the purpose of this memorandum, which is before you today, is to

[1:14:33] adopt some updates to the Board of Supervisors' joint capital funding plan in order to provide

[1:14:41] additional funds to the School Board and to also reconfirm that while the Board of Supervisors

[1:14:47] will continue providing funds to the school board in a fiscally responsible manner.

[1:14:53] The school board was prioritized the timing of its capital projects.

[1:14:57] And going forward, we'll not ask the board of supervisors.

[1:15:00] To deviate from responsible financial practices in order to address capital needs.

[1:15:06] So, at this point in time, I will review seven provisions of the memorandum that update the combined debt payment reserve fund policy, which I have outlined a moment ago.

[1:15:18] So first out of the seven, the annual allowed borrowing amount is $17,000,000,000 per year in fiscal year's 2024 and fiscal year 2026.

[1:15:32] This bond issuance may be banked if so desired and saved for a future year.

[1:15:38] However, in fiscal year 2025, the schools would be authorized a one-time borrowing amount of up to $80 million.

[1:15:47] Third, beginning in fiscal year 2027, an increase in the annual barring amount will be authorized

[1:15:55] up to $20 million.

[1:15:58] Fourth, the school board agrees that it will continue to annually contribute $1.8 million

[1:16:04] to the combined debt payment reserve fund once the 2009 Virginia Public School Authority

[1:16:11] or VPSA bonds are paid off.

[1:16:15] Fifth, the Board of Supervisors agrees that it will continue to annually contribute $1.2 million

[1:16:21] to the combined debt payment reserve fund once the 2008 lease revenue bonds are paid off.

[1:16:28] Six, both boards will budget for and include in their annual budget and amount required

[1:16:34] to maintain the future capital projects fund.

[1:16:37] In other words, the whole of positive cash balance while planning for future debt service

[1:16:42] per payments.

[1:16:44] This amount is estimated to be $300,000 in fiscal years, $24,525,000 in fiscal year, $25,000

[1:16:54] and thereafter for each board.

[1:16:57] And that seventh, both boards confirm their commitment to continue the incremental increases

[1:17:02] and the future capital projects fund, even in future economic downturns.

[1:17:09] There are several other provisions, and I will highlight several of these other provisions as well.

[1:17:15] The county will provide up to up to $2 million from fiscal year 2022 year on funds

[1:17:21] towards the elimination of the open-class from concept and Glen Coe,

[1:17:26] and W e-cuntive elementary schools.

[1:17:30] Second, a bond for the proposed CTE facility

[1:17:33] will be issued and financed for up to 30 years

[1:17:36] with a traditional financing vehicle

[1:17:38] and bond structure, which would be determined in the future.

[1:17:42] Third, the school board would agree that it would

[1:17:44] diligently apply for all potential state and federal grants

[1:17:48] that may become available for school capital projects.

[1:17:52] Fourth, in the process of designating,

[1:17:54] designing the proposed new CTE facility, the school board will retain an independent energy

[1:18:01] consultant to share recommendations on the benefits of incorporating solar energy technologies.

[1:18:07] And this is consistent with the recommendation of the CTE committee which has recently completed

[1:18:12] its work and made recommendations to both boards. Additionally, the school board is encouraged

[1:18:18] to reevaluate the size and scope of the CTE facility to ensure it is meeting the needs of

[1:18:24] in Oak Area businesses.

[1:18:26] Next to the school board agrees that it would participate

[1:18:29] in a county funded, county managed, demographic study,

[1:18:34] to analyze a wide variety of demographic trends

[1:18:37] within the county to include future school enrollment

[1:18:40] projections.

[1:18:41] Data from this effort would be utilized

[1:18:43] in the planning of future capital projects

[1:18:46] through both boards.

[1:18:50] And lastly, I would emphasize that the final provision

[1:18:53] of the memorandum, is that the timing and priority of the school board's capital projects

[1:18:58] would be left to the discretion of the school board.

[1:19:01] In the school board would agree to address such capital needs and accordance with this updated

[1:19:06] debt payment reserve fund policy. So it is proposed today that the board authorized Chairman Mahoney

[1:19:15] and Mr. Kay Wood to sign this memorandum of understanding on behalf of the board, and it is

[1:19:23] hoped and desired that the school board would take a similar action at their future convenience.

[1:19:29] I would be happy to answer any questions.

[1:19:31] And if I cannot answer them, Ms. Owens is here, and I am sure that she can answer your questions.

[1:19:36] Let me add to Mr. Lubick's presentation,

[1:19:43] because things have been moving over the past week.

[1:19:47] I've had the opportunity to have several conversations with Chairman of the School Board, David

[1:19:53] Lyndon, and Mr. Lyndon is in the audience this afternoon. Mr. Lyndon has indicated

[1:19:59] to me that the school board is not able to make any representations or presentations to

[1:20:05] us because they have not yet had a formal meeting and they have not been able to discuss the

[1:20:10] proposed M.O.U. in a regular school board meeting, I believe the school board is scheduled

[1:20:18] to meet Thursday,

[1:20:22] but he did indicate to me that he had an opportunity to transmit the draft

[1:20:28] memorandum of understanding to the attorney for the school board, Stacey Haney, excellent

[1:20:33] attorney.

[1:20:36] Mr. Lyndon has reported to me that she has recommended or suggested a minor

[1:20:43] modification or change to, and I suggest to the board if you look at the last page

[1:20:49] of the memorandum of understanding, and it is at page 92 of our agenda. It's at subsection,

[1:20:57] That's Roman numeral for a subsection.

[1:21:01] Aft,

[1:21:04] this section talks about how the President Board of Supervisors cannot bind the actions

[1:21:11] of a future board, and the recommendation or suggestion from Mr. Lyndon and Council for

[1:21:20] the School Board is that sentence be expanded to also include the school board.

[1:21:25] So that a current or a present board of supervisors or a current and present school board can't find a future school board.

[1:21:35] And I think that David is that essentially what we spoke about earlier today.

[1:21:40] And so if the pleasure of the board, if you'd be comfortable with amending subsection,

[1:21:46] have, and I have to move back to also handle that.

[1:21:53] Again, I think there's an opportunity that we may hear some additional recommendations or

[1:21:58] suggestions from the school board after they're meeting this Thursday, but I would also

[1:22:03] suggest, unless the board has any additional questions in Mr. Lubak, I would move the adoption

[1:22:10] of the resolution and authorizing Mr. K Wood and I to execute this MOU and to forward it to

[1:22:18] to the school board.

[1:22:18] Thank you.

[1:22:20] Is it too late to answer the question?

[1:22:21] Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:22:22] I cut you off.

[1:22:23] Go ahead.

[1:22:24] Just a quick question with the clarification of including the school board also, the data.

[1:22:30] The future boards cannot be bound to this agreement. But my question comes in with the ongoing escalation

[1:22:38] of amounts of debt that we are taking on and the plan for the repayment. Would that be a question

[1:22:47] if we made this amendment? That's my only question regarding the whole.

[1:22:52] I don't think I believe that this will occur that the amounts would be compromised.

[1:22:59] Certainly, this is a document that expresses the intent of the words as of today.

[1:23:05] And the amounts, we know what they are.

[1:23:07] And I believe that those amounts would not change.

[1:23:12] It's just simply a principle of law that this board or the school board cannot bind

[1:23:16] a future board's actions.

[1:23:18] It's interesting.

[1:23:20] Just to add a comment,

[1:23:23] the sugar was prepared.

[1:23:26] This, some of this language will be embedded in the Rono County financial policy in January

[1:23:33] sometime.

[1:23:34] Whenever we have been that usually on a yearly basis, as I correct this, I would say.

[1:23:41] Mr. Chairman, if I could offer just a brief comment,

[1:23:44] So the supervisor of our first question, if I understood what she was asking, Peter, can speak to this as well.

[1:23:51] While the MOU doesn't find future boards, the issuance of debt does, because that's a contractual obligation when we issue debt.

[1:24:01] So future plans for debt that we might issue in the future wouldn't be binding, but the payments that we have to make on debt that we've issued in the past is binding on us as a county because we pull down that debt.

[1:24:14] Thank you.

[1:24:15] Well again, I think this is our statement of intent, but I would pace it to add that

[1:24:24] as the school board goes forward through 2023 with whether it's design, whether it's

[1:24:32] bill, whether it's design bill, construction, contract, whatever.

[1:24:36] At some point in time, maybe a year from now, the school board will confront having to deal

[1:24:42] with a bid price, and if things are great, and the bid price is such that it's less

[1:24:50] than what we estimated, I think that provides some flexibility for the schools to do some

[1:24:54] other capital projects. On the other hand, if the bid price is significantly higher, then

[1:25:00] what we are estimating today, I think we get back together with the school board and try to figure

[1:25:05] out how do we go forward? And so we're trying to give a statement of intent today realizing

[1:25:11] that we may not know what the actual dollar amount is until maybe a year from now.

[1:25:20] I hope it could go quicker, but I think our experience in terms of major capital projects,

[1:25:27] it's going to be anywhere from 10 months to 12 months as you go through this process.

[1:25:31] Sorry, as a school board goes through the process and we would hope that we'll have a good

[1:25:40] and it'll be less than what we have to anticipated.

[1:25:46] So that's second.

[1:25:48] Excuse me, Chair.

[1:25:49] Mr. Peter.

[1:25:51] So I will go and record a share of my concerns about this last Wednesday

[1:25:57] and for the record I'll share them again.

[1:26:00] The first, as I expressed, I've been involved in grant processes before.

[1:26:05] Our first concern with this is that we are allocating 17 million in 2024 and 80 million in 2025, total in 97 million in the project estimate of 93 million.

[1:26:22] So, I have a hard time understanding what we're going to allocate 97 million and

[1:26:27] appropriate through debt funding that then we turn around and ask the school board to apply

[1:26:31] for grants.

[1:26:33] It's been my experience that you have to be able to show a need one of the things that I have

[1:26:38] a lot of questions about the MOU, one of the things that I could spoke about with a couple

[1:26:44] of my colleagues was why do we not just amend the financial policy and we can put the number

[1:26:50] wherever you want to put it. But we want to borrow 40 million in 24, 20 million. Our excuse

[1:26:55] would be 40 million in 24, 40 million in 25, telling 80 million in debt servicing, allowing

[1:27:01] them the opportunity to show a need going forward with the grants that we are asking them

[1:27:06] to look at.

[1:27:12] We have already determined it seems to me in the information that I've received

[1:27:17] from the administration that it doesn't look like the solar option is an option that is in our

[1:27:27] best interest. And our financial folks have analyzed it as well. I have a hard time with the

[1:27:33] section here. We're going to ask them to get an energy consultant, Mr. North just commented,

[1:27:39] it will probably cost us a couple hundred thousand dollars to tell us what we've already found out.

[1:27:46] And the other part that I have this is, you know, and I said this on Wednesday is that

[1:27:53] not only is more in support of CTE than I am, I've made that clear for that over the last

[1:27:59] year 18 months, even sat down with Mr. Lyndon and Mr. Greenway back in the spring and called

[1:28:05] a little bit of a firestorm there that I was trying to get a deal to work out. But I thought

[1:28:12] the purpose of this was to solidify the CTE to take the recommendations of our CTE committee

[1:28:18] and to move that forward in this agreement.

[1:28:24] I don't think we've adequately addressed the

[1:28:28] elementary schools, but I also think the conference was made in our meeting last Wednesday that

[1:28:35] we do need to understand our children and we need to know our ADM and our schools because

[1:28:42] It is going down, and as I shared with some my colleagues earlier, we do live in a different

[1:28:48] world.

[1:28:48] I'll go back 50 years, and I was, you know, at Norfolk Southern, we're coming to town 50 years

[1:28:54] ago and had a thousand jobs, you know, in most of the cases, the spouse was a hunter-maker,

[1:29:01] and they had two or three children and they had a private month, two or three thousand kids

[1:29:06] in our schools.

[1:29:07] But that's not the case of 2022, as I do with people daily, people aren't having kids.

[1:29:14] They're wanting to travel, they're wanting to go here and do this, and they're not having

[1:29:18] the children that our past generations have.

[1:29:23] So I do think we need to look at our school structure.

[1:29:26] I'm going to Mr. Raff mentioned the Wednesday that there are some localities that are

[1:29:30] doing a K-3A. And again, I don't have that answer.

[1:29:35] I don't think we have that answer.

[1:29:37] I don't think we truly know how to address the elementary schools.

[1:29:41] I think that we need to ask the school board to work in a holistic manner with us, because

[1:29:49] I think the demographics are going to change completely.

[1:29:52] I don't think the comment was made when it's the that the school board is not in charge

[1:29:56] of economic development or economic growth.

[1:29:59] And that's the state.

[1:30:00] It's absolutely true. But as Chairman Mahoney mentioned at the State of the County on Wednesday, we had

[1:30:06] a 5 or 50 jobs. Our unemployment number is under 2% or close to it. Even if we were to bring

[1:30:16] a thousand more people to the valley, that doesn't guarantee their own half kids. So again,

[1:30:21] I think that we need to take a holistic look at this. I feel like the MOU should address just the

[1:30:29] that all 10 members of both boards agree this needs be done.

[1:30:35] We don't want to jeopardize our ability to have grants.

[1:30:38] I think this does.

[1:30:40] And then we need to move into a conversation to address the elementary schools

[1:30:45] in a different way.

[1:30:47] Let's try.

[1:30:49] I was just going to ask a quick question.

[1:30:52] Maybe that Miss Owens can respond to this.

[1:30:55] But doesn't MOU in setting forth funding for future projects, is that the same as allocation

[1:31:05] and would it be seen that way in a grant to process to the best of your knowledge?

[1:31:15] Let me just take a peek at how we have that word in the MOU here.

[1:31:22] I invite you to look at my interpretation of this and have made a couple of other contacts

[1:31:29] is that we don't have to actually physically allocate the money.

[1:31:33] That doesn't take place until which time we borrow the money.

[1:31:36] However, this does outline 17 million, 17 million and 24, 18 million and 25, which does

[1:31:45] make it available for projects.

[1:31:46] So, I'm just asking if that's the same thing and would that have to be declared in the grant process.

[1:31:54] So, my understanding is in the grant process that what would be required is for the actual documentation and full explanation of the project itself.

[1:32:10] I think what we have in our financial policy and what we've tried to just kind of reiterate

[1:32:15] here in the MOU would just be changes that this board would be authorizing in terms of the

[1:32:22] amount of the borrowing that sport would authorize on an annual basis. So, for example, on page 3

[1:32:30] of the MOU in Section 3 where it has updates to the policy, we would essentially continue the allowance

[1:32:42] of the 17 million in fiscal year 24, which are current policy already outlines for the schools.

[1:32:51] Then we, in fiscal year 25, would essentially just be authorizing and amount up to 80 million.

[1:33:00] So I think all we're doing there is continuing with that 17 and then authorizing an additional 63 million.

[1:33:10] In the MOU, we've documented that we understand that there are the needs of the CTE as well as two elementary schools,

[1:33:18] schools with the thought being that if the schools did apply for and receive grants, that

[1:33:24] would be great and those would go towards the project and just minimize the amount of the

[1:33:29] actual borrowing.

[1:33:31] So I think that all we were trying to do here was just really kind of expand upon what we

[1:33:39] have in the current policy and just update it and then we would update the policy at a later

[1:33:45] time to, if this is approved, actually mirror that, then we continue on to say that, beginning

[1:33:52] in fiscal year 27, so we just kind of continue and indicate that we would actually authorize

[1:33:58] an increase that amount from 17 to 20 million.

[1:34:02] So, if I can just give point to the location, so I guess what is the difference in, if you're

[1:34:08] applying for an SRO grant or an ambulance or a fire truck, and most of all those grants

[1:34:13] have in there is their sources of fund sources for whatever this is.

[1:34:20] Why would that be any different in this case?

[1:34:22] Because there is a funding source for this and we are in this MOU.

[1:34:28] It's here to be approved.

[1:34:30] And this would also then be adopted into our financial policy.

[1:34:35] Correct.

[1:34:36] So for this, is just the intent to, we haven't actually

[1:34:42] appropriated any of the funds.

[1:34:44] We would do that like during the budget process.

[1:34:46] We would appropriate the bond money each and every year.

[1:34:51] So I would look at this as this is the plan for long term.

[1:34:55] And then each year, it would be an appropriation in the particular grant

[1:35:01] that you're referring to for the school resource officer.

[1:35:03] that one was an actual appropriation of funds, and so that's why we couldn't on the county

[1:35:10] side actually apply for the grant, because the funds had already been appropriated.

[1:35:15] But I can also address the grants for unenambulance, the questions asked, is there, is there

[1:35:22] money been, it's been only use allocated, but are there, is there a funding source available

[1:35:29] You know, because they're not going to give money to a fire rescue department that's sitting on a million dollars and they're asking for, you know, a $300,000 truck.

[1:35:38] They're going to go, well, you've got the money while you're here.

[1:35:41] And I guess it's kind of, say, cautious approach.

[1:35:44] I'm trying to take to this that, you know, I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. North,

[1:35:49] who has been pushing these grants and there may be some changes to the grants

[1:35:54] depend on how the scoring comes out for all localities.

[1:35:58] I just do not want to put us in the position that we're going to make this move, and

[1:36:04] then we're going to be kicked away from one of these grants that I would like to see it's

[1:36:10] not only give us CTE, but I'd like to see it feel to apply for the elementary schools, and

[1:36:15] I don't want to do anything to jeopardize that.

[1:36:17] Thank you.

[1:36:18] Just a few comments, primarily on the theme of Will Thus, on this M.O.U. with 17,

[1:36:27] in an 80 million jeopardized grants.

[1:36:30] And my personal opinion faced on everything I've ran.

[1:36:33] And this is, by the way, a summary of competitive grant process for this bucket of grants

[1:36:38] for going after provided by Superintendent Nicely.

[1:36:42] I don't know if he typed this up or something he got down to Richmond,

[1:36:45] But it was well summarized of the larger document that the legislature passed, which is a much larger document.

[1:36:54] I cannot see anything in here because this is taxpayers' money.

[1:37:00] And by the way, the $1.2 billion pot will be expanded to 2.5 billion.

[1:37:04] If the general assembly seems to be explained to pass it, it is an unbihanium amendment to the two-year budget.

[1:37:10] I can't see anything in here that says that it will be jeopardized or it says if you've got the funds it won't apply for the grants.

[1:37:19] We have qualified in Rono County based upon this information to a 20% grant.

[1:37:27] And it's based on school division with composite index.

[1:37:30] Now, you add a rub of 0.300 and below 0.400 or contained in locally designated with above average physical stress. We score 70% in both those categories.

[1:37:42] Where this could get dicey is in the 11 questions that somebody came up with just as, oh, and by the way, you got to take this test and pass 11 questions, which is already getting conversations among many people in common. Well, they don't really know if that's the right approach.

[1:37:57] But we're pressing forward with the grants, at least according to the folks over to school boards because this is not only going to be discussed then, as it was two weeks ago, it's going to be discussed among several representatives of the Commonwealth from this area.

[1:38:13] Bottom line is this is working progress, and they're going to have to review the scope and impact of all this from the people who apply to the grants.

[1:38:21] So, no, this is not why I supported the MOU, why I supported the MOU, and I think I can speak for a few others that perhaps feel the same way is they get 17 million, that was my idea that that's 17, the schools have a choice.

[1:38:39] use it for CTE or put it towards elementary schools.

[1:38:42] That was my idea of building the base to support the elementary schools.

[1:38:47] They get 20 million and 27, they'll have 37, they can start an elementary school if they wish to.

[1:38:54] And then of course, 20 million in the future years will set up nicely to get the school's done sooner than later.

[1:39:00] But at the end of the day, this $80 million that we can afford today based on all the analysis I staffs done

[1:39:08] is simply saying to the schools let's go after those grants because it's $20 million.

[1:39:14] It's not $2 million.

[1:39:16] It's a significant amount of money.

[1:39:18] And if that doesn't work, we got another card up our sleeves and we're going to work on.

[1:39:22] And I'm going to go to any assembly representatives and discuss the fact that this is

[1:39:28] concerning the score card 11 questions.

[1:39:31] And be ready because this is CTE.

[1:39:34] And it aligns with the governor's workforce development improvement efforts all over the

[1:39:40] Commonwealth and grant program.

[1:39:43] And if one delegate in this area, you get six million for history music, and my gosh,

[1:39:48] all we're asking for is $18 to $20 million to be put in the buying any budget to help

[1:39:53] develop this region's workforce through these programs, offerings that's a Rono County

[1:39:58] CTE school.

[1:40:00] So I respectfully don't, I'm not worrying about that.

[1:40:03] I can't find any language that knocks out this grant consideration because we've ponyed up

[1:40:09] 80 million dollars so far, or if you want to say 97 million, but my interpretation

[1:40:15] is it's 80.

[1:40:16] It's not going to affect us because in here, it simply says, in part two, ran awards, you'll

[1:40:22] be based on project cost.

[1:40:24] The project costs are about 90 right now, escalators to about 93, and they're still a million

[1:40:30] short because there wasn't any concern for curb and gutter that you have to enter the complex

[1:40:36] over there once it's built, nor is there a stoplight.

[1:40:39] And so a million dollars is already needs to be added to the 90.3 and escalated, which takes

[1:40:44] it to 94.1.

[1:40:46] And it says it's based on project costs, including planning, design, site acquisition, and

[1:40:52] construction.

[1:40:53] The school divisions composite index and the fiscal stress category is designated by the Virginia

[1:40:59] and local government, et cetera, et cetera.

[1:41:01] I don't see if this is a separate buck in a money,

[1:41:04] and if it's different than what it's planned for,

[1:41:06] and other grants, so be it.

[1:41:08] I can't find anything at knocks it out.

[1:41:11] And if there is something that I missed,

[1:41:12] it's in shame on me.

[1:41:13] But I've read this.

[1:41:14] These documents fairly carefully.

[1:41:16] And I know that Dr. Lysley has done the same thing,

[1:41:19] or he went to go under Richmond,

[1:41:20] and spent six hours riding over there and back,

[1:41:24] and the times to speak on behalf of Rowan O. County,

[1:41:27] and what we're planning on doing.

[1:41:28] So, and I applaud that effort, and I hope that it will continue, and yes, the laws say

[1:41:35] the schools have to be the one to file for this, not row an oak county government, or

[1:41:40] administration.

[1:41:41] We will have been glad to help me, way we can, so that's all I have to say on the subject,

[1:41:45] and I respectfully will support the MOU, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:41:50] Yes, sir.

[1:41:50] So I guess everything my concerns got reiterated there, again, I don't want anybody to take away from this that I'm not supportive of this.

[1:42:02] That's not purpose.

[1:42:04] I'm concerned that Mr. North just spoke that this is a working progress.

[1:42:10] So we don't know where the planes come in for the land.

[1:42:14] So we don't know what the final request will be, what that final document will look for, a look like.

[1:42:19] We have been led to a belief over the last year that there was going to be 20% of this available.

[1:42:27] Now we found out that that's not the case.

[1:42:30] There's already been to me moving parts that has given me a time to say,

[1:42:34] it was pause for a minute, let's let this thing land and know exactly how we need to play it out.

[1:42:40] Meanwhile, knowing that we're all committed to this.

[1:42:42] And then the other point that I bought up on Wednesday that Mr. North is reiterated was let's say everything is perfect.

[1:42:53] We get the grants, they get 17 million and they get 20 million and 20.27.

[1:42:59] Which I will make sure school is going to be done.

[1:43:02] I'm really not in a position that I want to hit the Kakaoba versus Ventend Districts against each other.

[1:43:08] Again, because I don't think we've had a holistic look

[1:43:11] of how this needs to be played out,

[1:43:13] especially at the elementary level.

[1:43:15] So anyway, thank you, Chairman.

[1:43:19] Mr. Raptor.

[1:43:20] Yeah, thank you.

[1:43:22] Jason, I thank you for the information that you share

[1:43:26] with us on the M of U. The one thing I want to tweak.

[1:43:30] And that is item item D that talks about the school board

[1:43:35] retaining and independent energy consultant.

[1:43:38] I see that a little different.

[1:43:40] I don't see it costing 100 or 200,000 per staff person.

[1:43:44] Those people you can hire as a consultant through the architectural firm.

[1:43:49] And they can actually evaluate and make a recommendation.

[1:43:53] So my whole thought about D was going to be more cost effective

[1:43:59] and not to hire somebody full-time.

[1:44:02] They can do what they want to do with it.

[1:44:04] They can, to me, I'm not reading that they have to do solar, but it's a recommendation to look at it and consider it because, you know, we might want to do the same thing with some of our architectural services that we do a library or we do a fire station.

[1:44:23] So I don't see that as, you know, a big expense.

[1:44:27] Well, I know, honestly, it's at least my concerns.

[1:44:29] I got you.

[1:44:30] I don't think I can hear you.

[1:44:31] I don't.

[1:44:31] But I've tagged along with the solar energy.

[1:44:34] I just wanted to.

[1:44:35] You know, that you know, I thought it was all lower, low-hanging proteins.

[1:44:40] I mean, Mr. Chairman, there's to come to Mr. Raffer's comments.

[1:44:43] This, in a spirit of this agreement, this is what the citizens committee that worked for almost a year or more recommended

[1:44:50] be done.

[1:44:50] So I think that we're following the direction of our citizens committee when this was included.

[1:44:56] So we're going to write a thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:45:01] Madam Court, I think we had a motion in a second in my correct.

[1:45:06] You are correct.

[1:45:08] I just want to fire a phone that does include change.

[1:45:13] Please.

[1:45:15] Yes.

[1:45:16] I don't remember before.

[1:45:19] Is that correct?

[1:45:20] Is that correct?

[1:45:21] No.

[1:45:23] Yes.

[1:45:24] Yes.

[1:45:25] Yes.

[1:45:27] Yes.

[1:45:28] Yes.

[1:45:29] Thank you.

[1:45:31] Item F1, F1 is first reading of an ordinance of appropriating $61,460,835 and 43 cents from the

[1:45:44] County Public Schools, fiscal year 2022 year and funds to the fiscal year 2022 2023 run up

[1:45:54] County Public Schools budget.

[1:45:57] This bears.

[1:45:58] Good afternoon.

[1:46:00] Mr. Chairman, members of the board.

[1:46:02] At the November 10th, School of War Meeting, I present in 2022 to ensure your audit

[1:46:06] comprehensive annual financial report and your area of information request.

[1:46:11] These were approved by this award.

[1:46:13] By law, any hearing balances of the school division in the Commonwealth of Virginia

[1:46:17] deserve to be brought back to the government from which it came.

[1:46:20] The county's comprehensive financial policy allows the school board to

[1:46:23] re-appropriate hearing funds upon approval by the Board of Supervisors.

[1:46:27] I am here on behalf of the school board to request a Greek re-appropriation of 65 million

[1:46:32] to 68,000 and 85,000 and $85,444 since for all funds Assistant and attachment

[1:46:37] aid to your board report.

[1:46:39] This re-appropriation requests complies with the catalyst company's signature policy and

[1:46:44] the school board year in care of your policy.

[1:46:46] Thank you for the opportunity to present to a appropriation request of the school board today.

[1:46:50] It can answer any questions that you may have.

[1:46:52] Any questions, please?

[1:46:54] So, do you hear any questions?

[1:46:58] Mr. Petersen, first citizens watching at home.

[1:47:04] 61 million dollars sounds like a lot.

[1:47:07] Could you kind of walk through?

[1:47:09] I mean, what I would call the real carryover is a much smaller number.

[1:47:15] And the larger number is really very as grant funds, reserve funds, like health insurance fund,

[1:47:27] risk management, things like that that both the county has and the school board has in terms of establishing

[1:47:35] some reserves for future eventualities.

[1:47:39] So if you kind of, for purposes of the citizens walking home, if they say, oh,

[1:47:43] gee, we're 61 million.

[1:47:45] There's your own.

[1:47:46] And that's not really the case.

[1:47:49] You just don't kind of clarify that the real carryover is, what does it?

[1:47:54] Report millions of seven.

[1:47:57] It's much, much to our amount.

[1:47:59] As part of the agreement, of course we have a $2 million emergency contingency

[1:48:04] and the general fund that is required to be carried away in the year after year.

[1:48:07] And so our total general fund carrier

[1:48:10] were included in the T-Lion contingency.

[1:48:13] Incombrates things, which are carrier repurchase orders,

[1:48:16] 57,000, 377,000, $7,000 in 72 cents.

[1:48:20] And then the remaining carrier, we have $827,000, $2,000, $5,000,

[1:48:27] and 51 cents that is allocated to major capital

[1:48:29] and the same amount is allocated to minor capital.

[1:48:33] So that makes a total amount of $3,7 million.

[1:48:35] that we surplus in the general fund, our operating fund,

[1:48:40] that is allocated according to this interim policy.

[1:48:43] The remaining funds are 57.7 million.

[1:48:47] These include our fleet fund,

[1:48:50] just under a million dollars, our instructional resources fund,

[1:48:53] which is money that we gave up for textbooks

[1:48:55] and online resources and other instructional resources.

[1:48:59] We have a technology replacement fund, just under a million,

[1:49:03] Our total grant fund is one of our largest $10.2 million, and there's our federal grants and state grants that are set aside for a very specific purpose and cannot be used for anything else.

[1:49:15] Our nutrition fund has a excess balance of $7.3 million in the commonwealth of Virginia.

[1:49:21] The nutrition fund is required to attain all earnings, and they may not share with the other funds and zooity theft separate.

[1:49:30] We have minor capital fund carrier of our old five million, major capital amounts of

[1:49:37] 10 million total bond fund, including the Windbird High Project of 11.8 million.

[1:49:44] Our health insurance fund is we are self-insured just like the county and so we build

[1:49:49] up reserves to cover our claims we are paid out, the reserve balance and this is 6.4 million.

[1:49:55] We have a team about into insurance, just under a million in our risk management, which helps

[1:50:00] us cover a lot of this compensation planes and our repair and trust funds to help with

[1:50:05] the returnary and health insurance.

[1:50:07] So our total other funds are 57.7 million.

[1:50:11] Thank you.

[1:50:12] Any other questions for this Peter Smith?

[1:50:15] So why government, they always got little stashes everywhere.

[1:50:18] Just want to clarify.

[1:50:20] Just to say, just be a thing.

[1:50:23] I would ask for a motion to approve the first reading of this ordinance and to schedule a second reading for January 10

[1:50:31] 2023.

[1:50:32] It's already.

[1:50:32] Motion to approve.

[1:50:35] I'm sorry.

[1:50:36] Mr. Peters.

[1:50:37] Yes.

[1:50:37] Mr. Zucker.

[1:50:39] Yes.

[1:50:40] Mr. Radford.

[1:50:41] Yes.

[1:50:42] Mr. Mohandy.

[1:50:42] Yes.

[1:50:43] Thank you.

[1:50:44] Thank you.

[1:50:53] Thank you.

[1:50:54] district regulations, and article four, use and design standards

[1:50:59] of the Rono County Sowning Wardens, regarding halfway houses.

[1:51:04] Mr. Fauss, thank you, Mr. Chairman, from members of the board.

[1:51:08] Back in July, the board requested the planning commission to look at the regulations

[1:51:14] for halfway houses, and so the staff has been working with the planning commission

[1:51:18] and then are suggesting the proposed amendments.

[1:51:23] So, three areas, we'll go through, first one, definitions, if you remember, the issue of light

[1:51:30] pelican, one of the issues that we had with the current definition, talks about accommodations,

[1:51:36] rehabilitation, counseling, and supervision, and all four had to be present to the designated

[1:51:41] as a half-way house.

[1:51:43] So, we tweaked the definition of concern now reads, and the establishment providing residential

[1:51:48] accommodations and supervisions, persons suffering from alcohol or drug addiction or other

[1:51:54] similar disorders, or to persons re-emergence society after being released from a

[1:51:58] correctional facility, or other institution. This used to be also provided rehabilitation,

[1:52:03] cows, and other similar services to such persons. So it kind of makes it a little broader.

[1:52:09] Second item is, you know, we currently own a lal, half-way house, and the AV district,

[1:52:16] by special use permit and in the C2 district with special use permit. So as being proposed

[1:52:21] to allow it by right in the AV, our Cultural Village Center District, the C1, the C2,

[1:52:28] learning districts, which is the...

[1:52:30] One tends to be a non-tastic commercial districts, and in the I1 and I2, the low-intensity and high-intensity industrial districts.

[1:52:38] It would be allowed in R1, R2, R3, and R4, as a special use permit.

[1:52:44] And then all of those are subject to use in a Zionist standards. So, the use in a Zionist standards that we developed.

[1:52:53] There are two sets, there's general standards, which would apply to all zoning districts.

[1:53:00] And so there's two standards.

[1:53:01] One is a distance requirement that no halfway house will be located with a 500 feet of another halfway house.

[1:53:07] The second one is kind of taken from our short term rental use.

[1:53:12] And we added to it is that the applicant shall obtain a zoning permit for our document.

[1:53:17] occupation of the Halfway House. So it deals with that they have to provide all relevant.

[1:53:24] The parcel information, the applicant's name, address, contact of who you would contact for.

[1:53:30] I was all in complaints. The structure laid out of each floor, the Halfway House, but also listing of how many

[1:53:37] residents there would be and also the number of staff members that would be in that facility.

[1:53:42] The second set of use in the Zassandar are just applied to the A.V. District at all residential districts.

[1:53:49] And so there's a massive number of people residing in the half-way house shall be five persons,

[1:53:54] and that would include any overnight staff.

[1:53:57] The second standard is that the half-way house shall be located on a parcel of land that is five acres of greater insides.

[1:54:03] So for A.V. District, wilds allowed by right, it would have to be on a parcel that is five acres of greater.

[1:54:09] in the R1, R2, R3, R4, and the special use of that parcel also has to be five years in the size.

[1:54:15] It has to go through the process to give this question to spring.

[1:54:18] So with that, I'll take any questions that you may have.

[1:54:22] Well, I'll do that.

[1:54:23] Thank you for this whole public hearing.

[1:54:25] Last week, we just have one speaker, a gentleman, he ran an on-profit.

[1:54:31] And they're looking at, he's questioning the limitations in R1 and the Ag districts.

[1:54:36] And their program is more of a broader program.

[1:54:40] And so what we worked off with the planning commission about as inviting him back to a future work session,

[1:54:46] to talk about their program and how they do in their faith-based ministry to this program,

[1:54:53] and then try to work on the solution for that.

[1:54:56] But the plankers did recommend approval of these amendments now to get any questions that you may.

[1:55:02] Any questions Mr. Combs?

[1:55:08] Well, let me point to say one thing.

[1:55:10] I feel if I want to thank staff and the planning commission for working through this.

[1:55:14] I think this is a good step.

[1:55:16] I think that in one respect we have opened up opportunities to address this problem,

[1:55:26] the serious problem that affects all our citizens,

[1:55:30] and particularly in the commercial and industrial other areas.

[1:55:33] I think we place some structure through the use and design standards.

[1:55:39] I see this as a positive step.

[1:55:42] I think the board for initiated helping to initiate this process.

[1:55:48] So with that, I'm sorry.

[1:55:50] I'm making motion for approval.

[1:55:53] With the second reading for January 2, 2021.

[1:55:58] We have a second.

[1:56:05] Yes.

[1:56:06] Yes.

[1:56:08] Yes.

[1:56:10] Yes.

[1:56:11] Thank you, sir.

[1:56:12] Item G's appointments.

[1:56:14] Does any board members have an appointment?

[1:56:16] That's not otherwise been given to the clerk.

[1:56:20] Item H is our consent agenda.

[1:56:23] We have seven items on our consent agenda.

[1:56:27] All matters listed under the consent agenda are considered by the board to be routine.

[1:56:31] and will be enacted by one resolution in the form or form to list it below, and if discussion

[1:56:38] is desires that, I would have can be removed from the consent agenda and will be considered

[1:56:43] separately.

[1:56:44] Does any board member want to remove an item from the consent agenda?

[1:56:49] Question to a person.

[1:56:50] Second.

[1:56:51] I don't want to necessarily remove it, but I'd like to ask the board under item 5 with respect

[1:56:58] to our calendar,

[1:57:01] any interest in moving

[1:57:06] our meeting next November back a week, or would you

[1:57:10] want to keep it as it is?

[1:57:12] My thought was, if we moved it back a week since we only have one meeting in November and December,

[1:57:20] it gives a little more distance between the last meeting in October and the meeting in November.

[1:57:25] It also gives a little bit greater time for the Planning Commission and Planning staff to transmit materials to us for our public hearing.

[1:57:36] The downside with that is the Virginia Association of Counties Annual Meeting would probably be the weekend before the Tuesday.

[1:57:51] And so I'm kind of wondering is there any is there any interest in altering that calendar and if not

[1:58:01] Just keep it as it'll show

[1:58:03] No, it would certainly be if if we know if I could be that following week that then you'd likely have moved it up to Wednesday as well

[1:58:11] Yes, sir. And with the uncertainty

[1:58:16] I think that's fine

[1:58:18] Yeah

[1:58:18] I'm looking at the calendar, and I think I'm having a hard time understanding that it's currently proposed for the eight, which is the day after election day.

[1:58:28] And so you're proposing the 15, the following Wednesday.

[1:58:30] Yeah, that's right.

[1:58:32] That assuming that the vehicle annual conference, and I was hoping that several board members have not all of us could attend, because I think the vehicle conference is a valuable initiative.

[1:58:46] It's at the home state.

[1:58:47] It's that weekend.

[1:58:50] It's the 12 13 14th of our call.

[1:58:54] That best best design.

[1:58:56] Understand from what they go does.

[1:58:58] And you think it would be better to have the meeting after a vaco?

[1:59:01] Well, Wednesday.

[1:59:02] Yeah, to 15th is ever.

[1:59:05] Yeah.

[1:59:05] That makes sense to me.

[1:59:07] But the clerk has pointed out that I think it would have to be Wednesday.

[1:59:11] It would have to be the 15th.

[1:59:13] And the negative to that is.

[1:59:14] is our board, all our citizens are used to meeting us, meeting us, meeting our two states.

[1:59:20] And stuff.

[1:59:20] Well, we'd stop to meet on a Wednesday because of the election day most likely.

[1:59:24] It's true.

[1:59:26] I don't want to come in.

[1:59:27] Yeah, I'm going to take your day.

[1:59:30] I'm going to take your day.

[1:59:31] I'm going to take your day.

[1:59:32] I'm going to take your day.

[1:59:35] The board is comfortable with the 15th.

[1:59:37] Could we amend that part and still adopt the consent agenda?

[1:59:40] We're going to remove item five, wouldn't we?

[1:59:49] So if I could have a motion to approve the consent agenda, item 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 7.

[2:00:02] Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, yes, Mr. Noorford, yes, Mr. Randford, yes, Mr. Hanger. Yes, I would move approval of item H5 as amended so that instead of meeting in November on November 8th, we meet on November 15th.

[2:00:22] I'm just asking for a case of, we do have the dates for forebacon next year.

[2:00:29] I think so.

[2:00:30] Well, then I'm not going to be the eighth because of the election.

[2:00:34] So the reason I was asking, because that would happen over the election,

[2:00:38] it's going to be the middle of the election.

[2:00:39] Well, I understand.

[2:00:39] I'm saying Saturday that Saturday that fall,

[2:00:42] we can be a veterans day.

[2:00:44] So I didn't know if that would.

[2:00:46] Okay.

[2:00:47] I mean, I don't know.

[2:00:48] I'm usually starts with Saturday, but for most people,

[2:00:50] or I will Sunday, 40th of July, usually historically

[2:00:55] fake oath as met after the election,

[2:00:58] but the weekend after the election.

[2:01:00] I just saw the holiday there, that's always nice.

[2:01:05] So is your motion for presentation?

[2:01:06] I made a motion.

[2:01:07] So I can.

[2:01:09] I'm Mr. Faders.

[2:01:11] Yes, Mrs. Hookle?

[2:01:12] Mr. Noah.

[2:01:13] Yes.

[2:01:13] Mr. Radford.

[2:01:14] For November 15th.

[2:01:16] For November 15th.

[2:01:17] Yes.

[2:01:18] Mr. Mahindra.

[2:01:19] Item I is citizen comments and communications.

[2:01:23] I do not have any all the citizen communications I have or for deceiving.

[2:01:28] Madam Clerk, do you have any?

[2:01:31] I am Jay reports.

[2:01:33] I move that we receive and file the seven reports that are listed in our agenda.

[2:01:40] Do I have a second?

[2:01:42] Madam Clerk.

[2:01:44] Mr. Peters.

[2:01:45] Yes.

[2:01:46] Mr. Noorth.

[2:01:47] Yes.

[2:01:47] to Bradford's. Yes, it's my honey. Yes, I am pay as work sessions. Now we have a work session

[2:01:53] scheduled to discuss Department of Social Services staffing with Board, Susan Gold, the Director

[2:02:00] of Social Services Rebecca Owens and Mr. Elliott will be handling that. We will now

[2:02:07] recess and go up to the third floor for this work session and we will return at 7 o'clock

[2:02:13] for our evening session, public hearings.

[2:03:13] Among them, people carrying flags of the German Reich.

[2:03:16] A symbol that is now associated with Germany's far-right.

[2:03:20] And you have QAnon spilling across from the other side of the Atlantic.

[2:03:26] What do you think about Germany's chancellor, Angola Merkel?

[2:03:28] Because internationally, she's been praised for the way she's dealt with the coronavirus crisis.

[2:03:32] I think she's hit in a stolt of...

[2:03:34] ...and she's hitler's no heir to this, I think.

[2:03:37] And finding a very neat overlap in terms of the conspiracy theory with the citizens of the right.

[2:03:55] Both belief that there's a deep state, both belief that basically governments are not real,

[2:04:03] that they run the people, that there's sort of, you know, these elites that basically enrich

[2:04:08] themselves that are decadent and that don't look after the people and that there is a need

[2:04:13] for some kind of revolutionary moment, right? Some kind of cleansing.

[2:04:22] And so in the spring of 2020,

[2:04:26] there was a big NATO exercise that was planned in Germany. It was called Defender Europe 20,

[2:04:34] which was scaled back because of the pandemic.

[2:04:37] This was a moment when conspiracy theory circles,

[2:04:40] in particular, Kianan, followers, then started saying

[2:04:43] that this was actually the government in Germany

[2:04:46] using a fake pandemic to support this secret plan

[2:04:50] by President Donald Trump, who was coming to liberate Germany

[2:04:55] and finally turn its into a sovereign country.

[2:04:58] So this was a gift to the conspiracy theory world

[2:05:01] And it was also the moment where this rice burger or citizens of the right movement just jumped

[2:05:07] on QAnon traffic online, because this just worked for them.

[2:05:12] Well, I mean QAnon spread in various European countries, but in the non-English-speaking world,

[2:05:18] no country was as receptive towards the QAnon Conspiracy Theory. Germany had some 200,000 followers

[2:05:26] of QAnon at the time. And you have these Facebook groups and these telegram channels that actually

[2:05:31] are now shared by these rice burger, by these citizens of the Reich, and the QAnon followers.

[2:05:37] So these two conspiracy theories basically become one. And that kind of supercharges, QAnon and

[2:05:44] Germany, and it definitely supercharges the Reich's burger.

[2:05:48] The fascinating thing, just the moment when QAnon is taking off in the U.S. because people

[2:05:55] are stuck at home and locked down and on the internet and very aggrieved about the role of government,

[2:06:00] And the same thing's happening in Germany, and so the Riceberger movement is being joined

[2:06:06] by its American counterpart, and the two, it seems like are feeding and amplifying each

[2:06:11] other, especially in Germany.

[2:06:14] And it's curious.

[2:06:15] So you have this incredibly, you know, Germany's specific movement rooted in German history,

[2:06:20] you know, kind of German grievances, linking up with this incredibly American inspired

[2:06:26] conspiracy theory, and they find each other.

[2:06:29] And, of course, what's especially ironic about that is that isn't the center of the right-spirger plot.

[2:06:34] Antipathy for America as an occupying force and yet suddenly an American conspiracy theory is feeding that.

[2:06:40] It's all very tricky.

[2:06:42] Well, and they overcome that, of course, by seeing an ally in Donald Trump.

[2:06:46] I mean, one of the incredible things I remember from one of these marches is when, you know, these people marched with Trump posters, with Q posters.

[2:06:54] Sometimes even with Putin posters, I mean basically Putin Trump, they're all heroes for these

[2:07:00] people.

[2:07:01] And for them it all makes sense, because Donald Trump was fighting the deep state, remember,

[2:07:06] that was QAnon's assertion.

[2:07:08] And of course, Donald Trump was considered the savior in Germany, by those who hoped

[2:07:13] that he was finally the guy who would negotiate that peace treaty and give Germany its independence

[2:07:18] again.

[2:07:25] Anyways, it is sort of these multiple crisis that build on each other and give.

[2:07:30] These people, the kind of sense of urgency, now it seems that several of them felt compelled to act,

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[2:09:31] Berlin, Bureau Chief, Catherine Benhold, on the story behind a highly organized plot to overthrow

[2:09:39] Germany's government. So, Captain, how do all of those forces that you just described connect

[2:09:44] back to this plot that was just disrupted in Germany?

[2:09:48] I mean, in many ways, this group is kind of a perfect cross-section of the super-aclective

[2:09:54] mix of people that we saw on the streets during the pandemic and that often connected online

[2:09:58] and in the internet and these rabbit holes over conspiracy theories, right? So, you have an

[2:10:04] And as a heretic, kind of alternative medical doctor, you've got a pilot, you've got a classical

[2:10:11] tenor.

[2:10:12] And then there was this former lawmaker from the AFD, as far-right party, who still had access

[2:10:17] to parliament.

[2:10:18] And the ringleader was someone who considers himself a prince.

[2:10:26] Heinrich, the 13th, basically ran this separation from this tiny little village in the state

[2:10:33] of the syringe, which is known for having quite a lot of far-right sympathies in the hunting

[2:10:39] lodge.

[2:10:40] And it kind of fits.

[2:10:42] This is a guy who was the descendant of this 700-year-old minor German noble family,

[2:10:49] which, before World War I, did rule over this tiny state in Eastern Germany.

[2:10:55] And so, because of the noble background of his family, he is incredibly nostalgic

[2:11:01] for this pre-1918 German Empire when his own ancestors ruled over this piece of land.

[2:11:07] So he had embraced this conspiracy theory and was now involved with this group and hoping to become

[2:11:13] the post-cooled leader of Germany.

[2:11:19] So he has a very personal stake in this movement

[2:11:21] and it sounds like he very much wishes for the restoration of his own nobility and power

[2:11:27] in Germany that long exists. Absolutely. And it was in his hunting lodge

[2:11:32] that many of these meetings took place where, you know, the political wing of this group

[2:11:37] plotted what the future government would look like who would take which brief the classical

[2:11:41] tenor would be the culture minister, you know, the former lawmaker, who's also a judge

[2:11:46] in fact an acting judge until she was arrested, would become the Justice Minister and would

[2:11:50] repeat this national purge in Germany, a kind of Nuremberg 2.0 in reference to the post-Nazi

[2:11:57] trials led by the Allies and Germany. But there was also this military wing consisting of these

[2:12:03] former soldiers and current soldiers and police officers, people who knew how to deal with weapons

[2:12:08] and they would occasionally do target practice in the forest behind we hear from a television

[2:12:13] sources and store weapons and ammunition in the basement. How close did this ever really come to

[2:12:23] being a plausible revolution, an actual overthrowing of the government.

[2:12:32] So nobody really believes that they had the capability to actually take down the government.

[2:12:39] They had fantasies that all the kind of security staff of the Bundestag, the German Parliament,

[2:12:44] which has joined them, that ultimately, like a lot of these conspiracy theorists, they

[2:12:49] were presenting this majority and as soon as they would kick off this war or this coup that

[2:12:55] the majority of the people would be grateful and join them.

[2:12:58] But nobody I spoke to believes that this is the case.

[2:13:00] They would have eventually been subdued what they did have the capability to do given

[2:13:06] how many of their members were well-armed and well-trained and given that they had the access

[2:13:12] because of this formal lawmaker inside their group was to enter

[2:13:17] parliament do a lot of damage potentially kill a lot of people so what we're

[2:13:21] talking about here is a very serious terrorist threat and this is what security

[2:13:27] services are ultimately very concerned about right a January 6th style event in this

[2:13:33] case it seems perhaps even

[2:20:47] We are returning to our evening session for December 13th, 2022. The board held its regular open session

[2:20:58] beginning at 3 o'clock today and after 3 o'clock, we have a lengthy work session trying

[2:21:04] to address some issues and some problems and some staffing problems for our department social services,

[2:21:11] but we are resuming our meeting tonight at 7 o'clock.

[2:21:15] The next item on our agenda item L-1, that was a petition of pan-to-storeed rentals and sales.

[2:21:25] So obtain a special use permit for equipment sales and rentals and a special use permit for many warehouses.

[2:21:32] On approximately 4.82 acres of land zone C2, high-intensity commercial district,

[2:21:38] Located at the 5,300 block of West Main Street and the 5,400 block of Pleasant-Rune, Run, Drive, and Ketava.

[2:21:47] That public hearing has been postponed until January 10th, 2023.

[2:21:54] The second item on our agenda item L2, that is a petition of Barnett Properties LLC,

[2:22:00] to reason approximately 9.38 acres from our 3C medium density multi-family residential district with

[2:22:09] conditions, our one low density residential district, I1C low intensity industrial district with conditions,

[2:22:20] C2C, high-intensity commercial district with conditions, and C1, low-intensity commercial district, two C2C high-

[2:22:30] Anfensity commercial district with conditions for retail sales located in the 4400 block of Bramleton Avenue, including 4449 and 4457 Bramleton Avenue and the 4500 and 4600 blocks of Old Cave Spring Road. All of this is located in the Windsor Hills Magisterial District. Mr. Thompson.

[2:22:56] Good evening, Mr. Chairman, the numbers of the board.

[2:23:00] So the rezoning you have before you.

[2:23:01] 11 parcels, five different zoning conditions on seven parcels.

[2:23:08] For previous rezoning, I'm 1980 and 1985.

[2:23:12] So the intent is to rezoning all to C2 for retail sales.

[2:23:17] Quick location, here are the parcels.

[2:23:20] Located on the Brables in Avenue and Old Case Spring Road.

[2:23:24] across the street from Cotton Hill Road,

[2:23:28] a close-up of the road,

[2:23:29] a couple of avenues could be across from Proger

[2:23:32] and Boe Jambles.

[2:23:35] Again, as you mentioned,

[2:23:36] it's the 4400 block of Brown and Avenue,

[2:23:39] and the 4500 and 4600 blocks of gold piece,

[2:23:42] bring the road, 9.38 acres,

[2:23:45] currently on the property,

[2:23:47] there are two single family residences,

[2:23:49] and then nine of the parcels are vacant,

[2:23:51] and they are proposing retail sales use.

[2:23:56] There are two existing entrances to the property, this entrance gives access to the

[2:24:03] residential houses, and one of the entrances that will be modified for the proposed retail

[2:24:10] sales.

[2:24:11] So looking back, going up the driveway from Browlton Avenue, this is a vantage point.

[2:24:17] Up the driveway looking back towards Browlton Avenue, you can see Bojangles across the street.

[2:24:24] property is generally, it's open and what it has, what it buffers along the

[2:24:30] property lines as well. As you can see, some of this is where it's open and a

[2:24:35] lot of the property lines you do have. The other entrance, which I think I'll

[2:24:42] we'll be going familiar with, was used by VEDOT for many years, for their maintenance

[2:24:46] operations. It's now removal and other operations that we do for maintaining our

[2:24:54] roadways, so that's just that lot.

[2:24:56] And again, looking back across the street,

[2:24:58] we can see the fuel station, and also

[2:25:01] program the background and the intersection

[2:25:05] at an old-team road.

[2:25:09] One thing you'll see on the concept plan is they

[2:25:12] are lengthening both the through and the turn lanes,

[2:25:15] they're at old-team, lane, more storage.

[2:25:19] But it's not about that, I'm also a little bit later.

[2:25:22] So, regal sales, the sale of rental, the sale of rental with its sell service of commonly

[2:25:29] used goods, the merchandise is for personal or household use, those things are more

[2:25:34] specifically listed in our zoning ordinance.

[2:25:37] Obviously, it's not permitted in the R3 or R1, it's a special use of the C1 and is allowed

[2:25:45] at I1 and C2.

[2:25:47] So, the intent is to clean up the entire site, zone it the C2 or be a permitted use.

[2:25:52] existing profit conditions, again, from 1980, 1985,

[2:25:56] would remove this part of the zoning action.

[2:26:01] Concept plan, the original concept plan, we'll talk about the rise

[2:26:04] one here in a second.

[2:26:07] Retest else building, 48,841 square feet,

[2:26:12] shows the proposed drive through on the eastern side of the building,

[2:26:18] 244 parking spaces.

[2:26:20] They will provide access, both from Old Peace Green Road and Bramletin, modifying those existing

[2:26:27] entrances that exist today.

[2:26:29] They show them stormwater management facility on the Old Peace Green Road side, near

[2:26:35] the property nearest Old Peace Green Road.

[2:26:40] They are showing landscape buffers, which are required, and you have C2 next to R1.

[2:26:45] They also have sidewalks proposed along the access roads, but also along the old piece

[2:26:51] bringing road, and obviously they need some retaining walls to balance the site as well.

[2:26:59] I'm going to show this is also pushed in your packet part of the concept plan, I'll go back

[2:27:05] here.

[2:27:06] So on this diagram there is two cross section lines, section A goes from old piece ring road to

[2:27:14] the residential subdivision on the eastern side of the property, and then section B goes

[2:27:20] from Brampton Avenue through the building to the back property to the northern property.

[2:27:27] So with those, the first one, the top diagram shows what the cut and fill, the dash lines,

[2:27:35] the existing grade, what they're showing is the proposed cut and fill on the site, again,

[2:27:42] So you have on the top photo, all kinds of ring rotors

[2:27:45] to the right-hand side of the diagram as you go up

[2:27:49] to see the access drive, and then that you will cut a notch.

[2:27:52] In the topography for the building, pad and the parking,

[2:27:57] retaining wall beyond that, and then as you notice,

[2:28:00] the residential subdivision to the eastern side

[2:28:02] sits higher than where the building is.

[2:28:05] The bottom diagram, ground from the avenues on the left-hand side,

[2:28:09] going back towards the back of the property line,

[2:28:11] you can see where again, they're still cutting to put in the building so it'll sit a little lower

[2:28:17] than the current elevations that are on the site. This was also in your packet. This is kind

[2:28:25] of showing the improvements both to Ramoton Avenue and to Old Case Brain Road. So the entrance

[2:28:34] off of Ramoton Avenue is right in right out. They also have a little bit of a turn lane on

[2:28:41] property to go into that right in right out. On OP spring road, I got mentioned earlier,

[2:28:49] they're lengthening, the left turn, lane, and the through, you can see where their entrance

[2:28:55] is lining up with the probe of fuel station, the tapers back, having a turn lane that would

[2:29:01] turn into the site. The other thing they show is a 75-foot left turn lane into that entrance

[2:29:09] as well.

[2:29:10] It's a reconfiguration and extension of those roadway of that roadway to make those improvements.

[2:29:18] It's just a zoning, as I mentioned, five different zoning categories with different conditions.

[2:29:25] Surrounding zoning to the north as R1 to the east of the C2 to the west as R1 and to the south as R1 and C2C.

[2:29:33] So some commercial development adjacent to it, but also as well as R1.

[2:29:40] The future land use plan, both is transition and neighborhood conservation.

[2:29:47] So transition is a, what future land use area that incurses the orderly development of highway-frontage parcels.

[2:29:53] Generally serves as a developed offer between highways and nearby adjacent lower and dense development.

[2:29:58] reach intense.

[2:30:00] Three tail and highway, we're in terms of using some more discouraged. So, again, this proposal is not consistent with that transition, future land use designation.

[2:30:09] Name of conservation has been anywhere. It is a future land use where you try to maintain the existing development pattern. It's a established single-family neighborhoods.

[2:30:18] And so, to try and encourage that existing development pattern, again, the proposed reasoning is not consistent with that neighborhood conservation, future land use designation.

[2:30:30] Thank you, commission.

[2:30:31] They held a public hearing, November 1st, so a little more than a month ago, had levitates

[2:30:38] in the speak during the public hearing, raised a lot of different concerns, a lot of

[2:30:43] concerns with buffers, both with the buffer width, the high-deefencing, lighting, was an

[2:30:49] issue raised traffic, traffic safety, you know, a lot of comments about traffic, storm

[2:30:55] management, the proximity of the development to neighboring residences. At that point, there

[2:31:01] were no proper submitted with the application concerns about noise and the operation of

[2:31:07] that retail use, amount of parking for this use type. In fact, there was a little more

[2:31:13] parking than it was needed. The question about property values, the height of the proposed

[2:31:19] building and comments about the close proximity to its grossest store in the need, is there

[2:31:26] need for another grocery store.

[2:31:31] So, the Plan Commissioners closed the public hearing

[2:31:34] discussed those issues that were raised. They had certain concerns that you wanted to address.

[2:31:42] And one to see that advocate was going to go back and address those issues. One dealt with,

[2:31:47] And there was no proper dealing with conformers to the concept plan.

[2:31:52] There was concerns about the location of the retail use building, especially on the northern

[2:31:59] property line.

[2:32:01] And see if there was a way they could increase that buffer.

[2:32:04] Then they talked also to request the conversation about hours of operation and if there

[2:32:09] would be profits.

[2:32:10] So, I should bet they postponed action until they're December 6 meeting.

[2:32:15] The applicant has submitted a revised concept plan and signed a proper statement.

[2:32:22] So the revised concept plan,

[2:32:26] what they did was they increased the buffer.

[2:32:29] So the access points generally located, same place, parking, some of the parking got rearranged.

[2:32:36] But they have a 40-foot buffer instead of a 30-foot buffer, and they also increased the screening.

[2:32:43] So you're hard to have a six foot fence, screened fence, and they have on their concept plan

[2:32:49] show what eight foot screening and long, not only the northern property line, but also the

[2:32:54] eastern and the little bit of the southern.

[2:32:57] So wherever are one of the butts, the property, the Haitians, they are showing a 40 foot buffer

[2:33:02] landscape buffer, and we'll have an eight foot fence on that part of that buffer.

[2:33:14] It's really then changed that dynamic issues, the crease buffer, with all these

[2:33:20] cross-section drawings, submit the process when along with that revised

[2:33:27] concept plan, is that the site will be developed in substantial performance of the concept plan,

[2:33:33] prepared by Lemson Associates, dated August 30, 2022, and revised November 30, 2022,

[2:33:39] suggesting change required during the conference of site plan review process and then hours of

[2:33:45] operation, hoping the public shall be no earlier than 6 a.m. in the earlier than 12 a.m. each day.

[2:33:53] So, on December 6th, the planning commission voted to recommend approval of the Resonatory

[2:33:57] request with those two proper conditions.

[2:34:01] Then, take any questions in the afternoon.

[2:34:04] Board member, have any questions, Mr. Bradford?

[2:34:11] Bill, what's our resolve operation mean?

[2:34:15] So, it's just when they're open to the public.

[2:34:19] There's some conversation about, you know, with that involved.

[2:34:22] You know, some stores will restock at night.

[2:34:25] So, it wouldn't prohibit that amount into the store would not be open to the public.

[2:34:32] So, how about dumpsters coming at 3, 3 AM in a morning and dumps and stuff, how is that to me and handle?

[2:34:40] I will let the applicant address that.

[2:34:42] I think they can speak about the operations of the intended user of property.

[2:34:47] I think they'll address that.

[2:34:49] Okay.

[2:34:49] I think it's not, I think with their going to say,

[2:34:52] they'll work around that and do it during the hours of operation,

[2:34:56] but I'll let them speak to that.

[2:34:57] Okay.

[2:34:57] And you talked about the parking, there's a lot, there's more parking, and most required.

[2:35:04] Did we require that or did the applicant do that?

[2:35:07] Applicant typically.

[2:35:08] So there's certain, and this is good.

[2:35:11] There was then, for example, Tagwood Mall.

[2:35:13] Right?

[2:35:13] Our requirement is a lot less than what a retailer we want to have.

[2:35:19] For there, for their lease or for what they require,

[2:35:23] the part of them to be able to develop.

[2:35:24] They have a certain criteria of so much part spaces for values where feet typically is higher

[2:35:31] than the counter-fars.

[2:35:33] And then, where they added the additional storage, how many vehicles does that add?

[2:35:39] I'll let them speak for that.

[2:35:40] They have a better length of what that does as far as the other traffic engineer who's here as well.

[2:35:46] Well, as Lumpston associate, if you have any questions about the concept plane.

[2:35:50] Okay.

[2:35:51] Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[2:35:55] Do we have a representative of the petitioner here?

[2:35:59] Yes.

[2:35:59] Would you like to speak?

[2:36:01] Also, if you have other questions for V dot,

[2:36:04] we do have a V dot representative here as well.

[2:36:18] You see?

[2:36:20] Yes.

[2:36:20] I got

[2:36:25] it.

[2:36:47] Sir.

[2:36:47] There you go.

[2:36:49] Thank you.

[2:36:51] Good evening.

[2:36:53] I'm Alan Mainis with Barnett Properties.

[2:36:55] We're based in Henderson North Carolina with offices in Raleigh,

[2:36:59] North Carolina also.

[2:36:59] with me here tonight is Halle Barnett, president of our company.

[2:37:04] Our traffic engineer Larry Green, with Weatherrill Engineering, and Andrew Lumpton with Lumpton Associates here in Roenwick.

[2:37:16] This is a look at the properties subject to this petition.

[2:37:19] We have 11 parcels to her and totally 9.38 acres.

[2:37:24] And as you can tell by the way you read that into the record,

[2:37:27] it's a mixed bag of zoning currently.

[2:37:30] There are two existing residents that live on the property for more than 40 years.

[2:37:35] We can see the two houses at the top of the driveway there.

[2:37:39] And then also the DOT property, as I was mentioned, Mr. Thompson.

[2:37:46] There are the site drains generally, this plan is oriented with north to the right of the chief.

[2:37:52] So the site drains generally from West East was one of the entering

[2:37:58] Ludwig Creek at the Northeast corner of the site with around 90

[2:38:03] feet of fall across the site.

[2:38:06] This is the revised concept plan that was a result of the planning

[2:38:10] commission hearing.

[2:38:12] We went back and worked with the tenant to arrive at the 40 foot buffer.

[2:38:17] It took some of the sizing in the site, but we think we can make that work.

[2:38:21] As you'll see, there are the full access driveway, we'll be on the overcase marine road.

[2:38:27] We'll be right in right out driveway to Bramwell, and at Avenue,

[2:38:33] the grading will required some significant retaining walls to accommodate this, both in the cut side and the fill side.

[2:38:41] And as we said, a fairly steep topography is fairly typical of this area.

[2:38:49] In addition to the 40 foot landscape buffers, which exceed the 30-state required by ordinance,

[2:38:53] we are offering the eight foot screen fence against all residential properties, which exceeds the six foot requirement.

[2:39:02] Site lighting will meet your ordinance as well and use cut off site fixtures to eliminate the layer to the besides to really force the light down onto the parking area, which is the intent.

[2:39:14] The two cross sections which you've already seen once again go to all of these, other than say really from the West, coming down to the store, it sits well below those neighboring properties in that direction, and any light poles would be of the type that would cast that light down on that upper sideways.

[2:39:39] Let Larry talk about some of the findings from the traffic, his traffic study.

[2:39:44] Okay, Alan, again, prior to our study, we consulted V dot and wrote out county to determine

[2:39:52] what intersections we might study to analyze the impact of the proposed development.

[2:39:58] And we came up with V dot and consultation with V dot.

[2:40:02] We came up with the six intersections that we would study, one particular finding that we

[2:40:12] road, we did find a poor level of service during the Saturday peak hour, a level of service

[2:40:23] but would we

[2:40:28] analyze that intersection we came up with an improvement to basically lengthen

[2:40:33] the right turn lane from Bramilton Avenue all the way back to our site, which helped the

[2:40:41] significantly and actually improve the level of service down to an acceptable level of service

[2:40:47] D. Operations.

[2:40:50] In addition, we strike D-75 foot inbound left turn lane, one overcase

[2:40:57] green road to accommodate traffic coming from that direction.

[2:41:13] The next thing I would show you is conceptual elevations of what the building might

[2:41:18] like, let's say these are consensual and insurgic to be modified as we move through the process,

[2:41:25] but important features will be its predominantly brick building on my sides and use a mixture

[2:41:31] of materials and some articulation of the building to give it some relief and some architectural

[2:41:37] interest as well.

[2:41:41] So in conclusion few things to note, per your ordinance C2 is intended for

[2:41:46] major arterial roads, and anyone that's driven Brambleton, I think, would agree that it

[2:41:51] would meet that test.

[2:41:54] We are, by the request, down zoning, a portion of the property from industrial to commercial,

[2:42:00] not to mention that current residents have lived aside and industrialize on site for decades

[2:42:06] now this would clean up some of that incongruity.

[2:42:11] One measure of the intensity of development is floor area ratios, the ratio of your square

[2:42:17] footers of floor two, the square footer jitter property. Our proposal would be a low

[2:42:22] FAR of only 0.12 or 12 percent. That's half or less of many of the other commercial properties

[2:42:30] long rambleton that has significantly higher FALs. It's a more consistent with the small scale

[2:42:38] planned and cluster's retail that's discussed in transition area. There'd be minimal impact

[2:42:44] above the infrastructure and less than a multi-family proposal would have on this site, minimal

[2:42:51] impact above the X-HD and once again less than a multi-family proposal would have. The roadway improvements

[2:42:57] And so we'll fully mitigate the traffic and his own respects, as I imagine improved it

[2:43:02] over what it is today.

[2:43:04] Would that we appreciate your consideration and happy to take any questions?

[2:43:11] Mr. Raffer?

[2:43:12] Yeah, thank you.

[2:43:13] So I asked the questions that Mr. Thompson answered.

[2:43:18] So why so much more parking than above the standard?

[2:43:23] Absolutely a requirement of the tenant.

[2:43:26] But we would not necessarily want that much, but it's the question has been asked and answered

[2:43:32] they must have it, especially with a standalone store where there's no other businesses

[2:43:38] to share parking with.

[2:43:40] That ratio isn't bored at all.

[2:43:43] Are they planning that code lease in that building or are they going to be the only kind of?

[2:43:47] No, it'll be a single tenant.

[2:43:49] thing going through.

[2:43:51] So back to the traffic gap, you put in the extra length, how much stacking do we pick

[2:44:00] up on that intersection?

[2:44:01] How many cars, number of cars, the y'all?

[2:44:07] You're talking about from 221 back to our driveway?

[2:44:10] Correct.

[2:44:11] Your engines?

[2:44:13] Yeah.

[2:44:13] On old case for anyway.

[2:44:14] I think we can accommodate about 20 vehicles in that, which is significant

[2:44:19] we longer than we can 20 more or a total of that.

[2:44:23] That's 20 total.

[2:44:24] Okay.

[2:44:26] That's just in that right turn lane.

[2:44:27] The right turn lane.

[2:44:29] All right.

[2:44:30] So we've got three lanes there.

[2:44:32] Yes.

[2:44:33] Okay.

[2:44:33] You got the turn laps.

[2:44:34] You got the straight going through and the right.

[2:44:37] Yes.

[2:44:37] Okay.

[2:44:38] Yes.

[2:44:38] And that was that's really the problem currently is that the right turn

[2:44:43] man to go south on to 21 is great and what happens is because of that short right

[2:44:50] turnway now it stills into the thrilling and it actually attempts at certain times

[2:44:55] queues back which would be beyond our driveway now but will be.

[2:45:00] Even with building our project, when we lengthen that right turn lane all the way back to our driveway, that

[2:45:06] cleans up the queue and the queue actually doesn't reach the driveway, wherever we're imposing.

[2:45:13] So, and that's why the level of service dropped from it to acceptable level of service.

[2:45:17] Okay. So, then the right-in right-out driveway to Brimmelton will, you know, drive traffic, right?

[2:45:23] I mean, it's not even good for that intersection.

[2:45:26] I'm reading some notes that I got from some citizens, one says that the traffic study,

[2:45:34] but there was no traffic study between the intersection of K Spring Lane and an old K Spring Road.

[2:45:40] Is that information you got from VDOT or...

[2:45:46] So you back up, you got to back up to get to that intersection?

[2:45:49] So, yes, when we stoked our study, B.D. did not demate as a critical intersection to analyze,

[2:45:57] so we did not analyze that particular intersection.

[2:45:59] So, B.D. was a...

[2:46:02] Okay.

[2:46:03] We're ready.

[2:46:08] That's all I've got to track.

[2:46:09] Just a couple more questions.

[2:46:12] The fence, you're going to...

[2:46:15] 8-foot fence.

[2:46:16] What's your material?

[2:46:17] I'm going to be on that.

[2:46:19] It's looking for maintenance.

[2:46:22] Yeah, I mean, that comes into a wheel on it and maintain it.

[2:46:25] The intention is a privacy fence, opaque, that you, a physical and a visual barrier.

[2:46:33] So the 100% opaque, whether that's wood or vinyl, or...

[2:46:38] Right.

[2:46:39] So I'll also ask earlier,

[2:46:46] what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your,

[2:46:48] the tenants policy of the old dumping dumpsters.

[2:46:52] The tenant will contract with waste management

[2:46:54] just like every other business here.

[2:46:57] It's hard to control waste management

[2:46:58] or place a condition upon the waste management.

[2:47:02] They would communicate to them

[2:47:03] that they would prefer it here in the day,

[2:47:04] but I believe your noise ordinance would come in to play there.

[2:47:08] Also, if they were doing it through all hours,

[2:47:11] that would make the county ordinance

[2:47:13] equivalent to a lot of them as anywhere else.

[2:47:15] Okay. So a question to my attorney, our theater.

[2:47:21] Yes, sir.

[2:47:23] Noise ordinance, 7 a.m. correct? 7 a.m. till 10 p.m.

[2:47:28] General, that is the hours for the noise ordinance.

[2:47:31] I'll pull that up right now as we're speaking just to verify that that's specifically applies to this situation.

[2:47:37] Okay.

[2:47:38] Thank you very much.

[2:47:39] And it's in and would communicate that to the hall or but I'm on sure waste management's aware of that

[2:47:44] Probably since they're already serving area. Gotcha. Okay. Very good. That's all I have for right now. Mr.

[2:47:50] question on the lighting in the neighborhood I live in. There are some citizens

[2:47:57] complain about lighting

[2:47:58] on the Jason retail business and

[2:48:03] they change the lighting they put in

[2:48:06] And this thing would be might want to add to this.

[2:48:09] They put in some lighting that didn't show so much clarity.

[2:48:13] They put like a deflectors, what I'm trying to say on the lights.

[2:48:18] Two questions, how high are these light poles going to be?

[2:48:21] Are they going to be higher than the buffer fence?

[2:48:26] And secondly, are they going to have deflectors on them?

[2:48:30] The way we plan to use cut-off shields is the term, yes, with the way it helps to cast that light down.

[2:48:38] It'd be a shoe box type fixture that only shines down does not shine up.

[2:48:45] When you get into design pole heights, very important to you.

[2:48:48] At 30 feet typically it becomes, you're the shorter the poles, the more poles you're going to have to get the added.

[2:48:56] So 30 feet is a typical, so the fence has got to be like 40 feet or 40 foot wide buffer with an eight foot fence, okay, so there's a cross section.

[2:49:06] Yes, cross section shared you,

[2:49:11] they would not be taller than not yet to the level of the residences to the west, so that's where the parking field really is.

[2:49:19] at the back of the store that wouldn't need to be as tall.

[2:49:24] That's not the real parking fee.

[2:49:27] I'll put you.

[2:49:29] Sir Chairman, I have found applicable provisions

[2:49:31] of the noise ordinance.

[2:49:33] And to answer Mr. Radford's question,

[2:49:35] there are two provisions of the noise ordinance

[2:49:36] that would be used to likely build.

[2:49:38] Yes, of course.

[2:49:39] There are the two provisions of the noise ordinance

[2:49:41] that would potentially apply.

[2:49:43] The first is the loading or unloading of trucks

[2:49:46] outdoors within 100 yards

[2:49:48] of a residential dwelling between the hours of 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. the following day that

[2:49:54] could be a that would be a violation. The second is the operation of a trash collection

[2:49:59] vehicle between the hours of 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. and such a manner as to be plainly audible

[2:50:06] at any residents 100 or more yards away.

[2:50:14] It sounds like waste management has got to listen to our

[2:50:17] I'm sure they've been told that before.

[2:50:20] I guess.

[2:50:21] Invite me to remind them of that.

[2:50:25] Any other questions?

[2:50:28] Mr. Traffic Person.

[2:50:33] Talk.

[2:50:34] I want to follow up.

[2:50:35] Maybe I didn't understand Mr. Radford's question about queuing.

[2:50:39] If I am driving from 221 from Brambleton.

[2:50:45] And I'm going to make the left hand turn that I guess what I would call the main entrance in and out.

[2:50:53] When I look at the concept plan, it had a 75 foot distance.

[2:51:00] It is a 75 foot distance, the length of the left turn lane.

[2:51:06] It is the length of the storage lane now.

[2:51:08] So keep in mind, and again that holds about three, three vehicles or so, we're anticipating

[2:51:16] that most of the traffic coming from 2201, but actually choose to use the right and right

[2:51:21] out access on 2201 to access the site.

[2:51:26] There could be people coming in on okay spring road as well.

[2:51:31] But when we did our Q&A analysis, 75 feet was all that's required, however, if more stacking

[2:51:38] Because it's needed, it's going to be basically a back-to-back left-turn lane so that some

[2:51:43] of those vehicles could spill into the opposing left-turn lane that the service to 21.

[2:51:49] So your hope is more people will use the right-in right-out off of Bramilton, and that

[2:51:56] the other traffic load will be coming from the other direction on Old Cave Spring to make

[2:52:02] the right-turn.

[2:52:04] That's the hope.

[2:52:06] Yes.

[2:52:06] But again, if the queueing is not enough, we're not going to prevent more than three of you to do that.

[2:52:15] I've got a very little question then.

[2:52:19] So if you're coming east on Bramilton and you're going to turn left on the old case spring road,

[2:52:27] then you're going to go left because that's where a lot of traffic's in it.

[2:52:30] Come from, because everybody lives that direction. A lot of them do.

[2:52:38] So there's not a separate left-handling to turn.

[2:52:43] I'm sorry, to turn left into the site you're talking to.

[2:52:45] Correct. There's, oh, okay. No.

[2:52:52] Excuse me, are you talking to another term line?

[2:52:54] Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

[2:52:56] I don't know. I don't know.

[2:52:57] I don't know.

[2:53:05] You're right there at the entrance of the Crogour gas.

[2:53:08] There's nothing.

[2:53:09] Is there anything there at a stack?

[2:53:11] Or is that the 75 feet?

[2:53:12] That's 75 feet.

[2:53:13] Yeah.

[2:53:14] There's a dedicated left turn.

[2:53:15] Okay.

[2:53:16] Larry.

[2:53:17] That's hard to see on this.

[2:53:20] There's a drawing here.

[2:53:22] I couldn't.

[2:53:26] Could you.

[2:53:27] Could you put whatever slide number it is that has the concept plan.

[2:53:32] So that people can see it.

[2:53:34] And I mean, I'm assuming that many of the citizens

[2:53:37] We'll probably want to refer to the concept plan, either that, or...

[2:53:45] Yeah.

[2:53:45] There's a presentation of folks.

[2:53:50] You were, I was fucking David.

[2:53:51] That's it.

[2:53:52] I guess I was concerned because if I'm coming from where I live in K-Spring...

[2:53:56] Right.

[2:53:56] I'm coming down Colonial.

[2:53:57] I'm crossing over Brambleton.

[2:54:00] And I probably keep on going straight through the intersection.

[2:54:03] And then I want to make the left turn.

[2:54:05] What like you're crossing the Crowger fueling station.

[2:54:07] And if you have 75 feet, I was figuring, you might fit five cars in 75.

[2:54:18] I don't know, I'm just guessing how long the car is.

[2:54:20] My point is you're going to back up and you might be blocking the through traffic.

[2:54:27] Well, you could actually go into a little bit of the opposing left turn line.

[2:54:34] So you would be blocking the through traffic.

[2:54:35] I understand.

[2:54:38] But it's our hope that a fair amount of people would, if you're coming across

[2:54:41] Cologne, you would choose to turn left and then they're waiting to the site.

[2:54:45] And I'm sure I'll make many people mad in the audience because since I live in

[2:54:50] K-Spring, I tend to use that as a cut-through to get the 419.

[2:54:54] I don't go immediately up Shaperrell and make the left.

[2:54:57] I use that as sort of the back way around.

[2:55:01] I don't think that's a secret call.

[2:55:02] Well, now I can see a lot of traffic coming as you're coming down colonial when you cross over.

[2:55:11] That is a heavily trafficked intersection.

[2:55:15] Any other questions for the applicant?

[2:55:18] Mr. Radford, I know you had some V-dock question.

[2:55:21] Would you want to ask the V-dock folks to speak or would you rather I go into the public hearing?

[2:55:27] Yeah, no one in the public hearing.

[2:55:29] I'm a hold on the need for questions.

[2:55:31] Thank you.

[2:55:32] Thank you.

[2:55:32] We may call you back up because we may have some questions later.

[2:55:36] I would like to open the public hearing.

[2:55:39] I'd like to remind the speakers to please state your name and your address and try to speak

[2:55:45] into the microphones at the podium and so you have to, if you have to pull them down a little

[2:55:49] bit so that everybody can hear, that would be good.

[2:55:52] You have three minutes.

[2:55:53] We have

[2:55:57] 18 speakers, so what will happen is, I'll probably take a break.

[2:56:04] sometime in the middle of that time.

[2:56:07] So let's start with the first speaker.

[2:56:11] Speaker number one is KC Hwag, is that close?

[2:56:18] Yes, yes, yes, right.

[2:56:19] Thank you, sir.

[2:56:21] Thank you, sir.

[2:56:23] Thank you.

[2:56:25] Do you put this on the screen?

[2:56:31] It's the same.

[2:56:39] Tell us more, Stella.

[2:56:47] Is that in your presentation?

[2:56:50] I think that's slide 19, Phillip.

[2:56:57] I did.

[2:57:09] You want to exist the original?

[2:57:14] I just need a few words.

[2:57:18] Thank you.

[2:57:38] Mr. Chairman and Paul Limis.

[2:57:43] My name is Casey Wong.

[2:57:45] I'm the majority owner and HOA manager of a bombadent coming, 45-15-45-25-1.

[2:57:54] That was just one

[2:58:06] very constant about 18 small businesses in a bombadent coming, in

[2:58:12] Co-4 medical office.

[2:58:15] They take care more than 100 patient daily.

[2:58:19] They all depend on only one intern, only one intern.

[2:58:23] The new development proposed their second-engine and asset at a government in the

[2:58:29] Avenue where a prevent the car asset from the government and come and come

[2:58:34] and come.

[2:58:35] In no more traffic, car asset from the government and come and had to wait for the

[2:58:42] traffic light break for other cars mercy.

[2:58:45] In a new development book, second asset in a longer than ever, there will be first

[2:58:54] get into the longer than ever.

[2:58:57] Carp from the longer than ever, will never get a chance to asset.

[2:59:04] It will choke the 18 small business.

[2:59:09] Even majority member feel need to pass the return request.

[2:59:14] I'm here, respectfully, asking all honorable members to make a small change on a

[2:59:23] rezoning request and give the eighteenth small business in one of the comments

[2:59:28] a chance to survive.

[2:59:31] By making the new development, second-end interest and asset, and a one-but-and-aven

[2:59:38] enter only, enter only. Since they have the main entrance in an asset, an all-case

[2:59:45] we enroll already. Also, if it is agreeable, the traffic like an all-case we enroll

[2:59:54] an apartment in Avenue or irregularly the car asset for the new development to the

[3:00:15] The next speaker, we have a request of this speaker was unable to be here, but I believe she

[3:00:29] has asked the clerk to read her letter into the record.

[3:00:35] And that's our next speaker.

[3:00:38] Um, Joanne, my one, Holly of 52-06, Bradford Circle, previously of 76-52-1, Barry

[3:00:48] Terrell.

[3:00:50] I have been a resident of front of County from us 30 years.

[3:00:54] For most of this time, I was working at the Veterans of Fair Medical Center in Salem.

[3:00:59] As such, I'll travel daily through the intersection at which this construction is proposed.

[3:01:05] Over those 28 working years, I have watched at the congestion at that intersection

[3:01:10] as steadily increased as more residential areas were developed.

[3:01:15] In the evening commute time, the line of waiting cars can reach back quite away

[3:01:20] on the whole case being road toward McDiddy Road.

[3:01:22] In 2021, a year after my retirement, I moved off Mason's knob and now located only 0.5 miles

[3:01:31] from the intersection of Old Cave Spring Browlton and Colonial Abonies.

[3:01:35] Since my main egress is through the intersection being considered, I have found that area

[3:01:40] is conjected, excuse me, is conjected often during the day in addition to working commute

[3:01:48] I fill with the addition of another large grocery store and that particular location will contribute to the probability of increased traffic accidents and

[3:01:58] an already congested and highly traveled intersection.

[3:02:02] Secondly, I question the need for another supermarket.

[3:02:05] Across the street from a current coragos store, 0.8 miles from another coragos store, and 2.4 miles from a feed line on an electric road.

[3:02:13] Sure, right there are other areas of the county with a lesser density of grocery shopping

[3:02:19] choices that might be a better location choice.

[3:02:23] Thank you.

[3:02:25] My next speaker is Mr. Scal, your next.

[3:02:44] We'll even scan a member of Board of Directors for me to play some owners of association

[3:02:49] LLC for 815, for me to place court and run up for GNN24018, for me to place home owners

[3:02:57] Association oral comment part one, zoning and future land use designations, but evening

[3:03:04] Mr. Chairman and members of the Board.

[3:03:06] Department can place home owners association, respectively requested that the Ronald

[3:03:10] County Board of Supervisors not approve the rezoning applications submitted by Barnett

[3:03:15] Properties for the construction of a grocery store at Brampton Avenue and Old Castering

[3:03:20] Road.

[3:03:21] The Barnett Properties grocery store project is forcing commercial development into a predominantly

[3:03:27] residential area, and onto residential land, over two-thirds of the proposed projects land

[3:03:35] is zoned residential. Using a few small parcels, zoned commercial and industrial, as

[3:03:41] an excuse to rezone all of this land commercial, simply compounds the original rezoning

[3:03:47] mistakes. The Ronald County Government has repeatedly said that the county very much needs

[3:03:52] more housing, particularly along the 419 corridor, and that land zone residential is becoming

[3:03:58] increasingly scarce. Thus, the highest and best use for this land actually is residential,

[3:04:05] as most of it is currently zoned, not commercial. This project runs counter to the county's

[3:04:11] development priorities, and will be taking away land that could fulfill them. In fact,

[3:04:17] According to the Ronald County Comprehensive Plan,

[3:04:20] future land use designations about two thirds of the land

[3:04:24] where the proposed grocery store will be located

[3:04:26] is designated transition.

[3:04:29] The remaining one third is designated residential conservation.

[3:04:34] Thus, future development on this land

[3:04:35] is supposed to be residential.

[3:04:38] The planning department finds that, quote,

[3:04:40] the proposed retail sales use is not consistent,

[3:04:43] unquote, either of these residential development

[3:04:46] designations. During the recent state of residential building in Rona County due to high demand

[3:04:52] and low interest rates, a residential development would likely have been built on the proposed

[3:04:58] grocery store land, too. And probably long before that, but the Vida properties, including

[3:05:04] the depot, active since the late 1980s, at the corner of Bramilton Avenue, an old case

[3:05:10] ring road, were necessary for ingress an egress to any residential development. Vida would

[3:05:15] not sell the land until February 2021 to Rona County,

[3:05:21] when the land should have been resowned to residential

[3:05:24] in order to conform with future land use designations

[3:05:27] in the Rona County Conference of Plan.

[3:05:30] Did the Rona County Government give residential developers

[3:05:33] an opportunity to purchase this property?

[3:05:42] More recently, the proposed grocery store land has been locked up

[3:05:45] since 2016 through contingency sales contracts executed

[3:05:49] by Barnett and letters of agreement from its predecessor representing the grocery store company

[3:05:55] with the owners. All the while residential developments proceed in this area.

[3:06:00] One typical example of a single family housing development is the preserve at Mason Law.

[3:06:06] Another grocery store in this area is not only disruptive to a residential area,

[3:06:12] but is redundant as well. Brambleton Croger is across the street,

[3:06:16] case-ring coroner's progress three minutes away, food line and a grand-in-road, eight minutes

[3:06:22] away is actually closer to the residential neighborhoods of the North and West, the Barnett

[3:06:27] states are its primary customer base for the proposed grocery store. Thus, the economic

[3:06:34] development department's formulaic assessment that the Barnett project, quote, will enhance

[3:06:39] commercial diversity while providing new retail shopping opportunities for residents, unquote,

[3:06:45] defies reality. There is simply no need for it. There are many areas elsewhere in the county that really do need a grocery store where this kind of development would truly create value for the community.

[3:06:59] But the Barnett Business Plan is unabashedly parasitic.

[3:07:03] Locate across the street from an established grocery store and pilfer from their earned customer base in an already diverse competitive adequately served market.

[3:07:14] Thank you for this opportunity to speak.

[3:07:18] The next speaker is Gerald Beathers.

[3:07:31] Gerald Bedders, President Farmington, Place Homeowners Association, 4821, Farmington, Place Court, Rowan Oak, Farmington, Place Homeowners Association, World Comment, Part 2.

[3:07:45] Good evening, Mr. Chairman and Board members.

[3:07:47] Old K Spring Road is a two-lane county road, appropriate for residential, neighborhood traffic but not designed for commercial traffic.

[3:07:56] Traffic that will accumulate at the vicinity of the grocery store cannot be accommodated by old K Spring Road and will block its immediate intersections.

[3:08:06] cues and stacking extend from Bramilton Avenue to McViddy Road and port 419 now.

[3:08:13] They develop early in the morning, subside, then are at their worst late afternoon, precisely

[3:08:19] the times people grocery shop.

[3:08:21] It is not credible that the remedial measures for elongating left and right turn lanes

[3:08:27] at Bramilton will alleviate the increase in congestion from the grocery store when it is unlikely

[3:08:34] to alleviate the traffic problem now. The Weatherell Engineering Traffic Impact Analysis is inadequate

[3:08:43] and incomplete rendering its projections inaccurate. And proposed remedial measures on

[3:08:49] proven. First, the Weatherell Analysis omits the study intersection of old cave spring road

[3:08:55] and cave spring lane. This collector road will convey most of the customers' north and west

[3:09:03] designated by Barnett as the gross restores primary customer base.

[3:09:08] Second, the weather-real study was conducted in February.

[3:09:11] The severe winter month when traffic volume would be less.

[3:09:16] At the Planning Commission hearing, weather-real said that it met with

[3:09:19] V dot and Rono County officials.

[3:09:22] And they decided that the old cave-spin road and cave-spring lane

[3:09:27] quote is not a major enough, that is not deemed a critical intersection for the fruition

[3:09:33] of this property. Further V dot said that we gave them our concurrence in the traffic study.

[3:09:42] These statements by Witherale and V dot are contrary to the Rono County Police Department's

[3:09:48] speed study of Cave Spring Lane eastbound at the intersection of Old Cave Spring Road conducted

[3:09:54] in January 2020, seasonably comparable.

[3:09:59] This study finds that cave spring lane actually supplies

[3:10:02] ol caves spring road.

[3:10:04] The two and a half times as much traffic late afternoon

[3:10:07] and 68% more traffic morning.

[3:10:10] So two things appear to be true.

[3:10:13] The intersection of cave spring lane and ol caves spring road

[3:10:17] is actually more critical to the traffic impract analysis

[3:10:21] than mid-Middy road and two, the actual typical numbers are higher than the numbers reported

[3:10:28] in the Whithrill study, that the actual traffic impacts are significantly underrepresented.

[3:10:35] Moreover, driver behavior is deteriorating dangerously on K Spring Lane from 2020 to 2022,

[3:10:44] The county police studies higher traffic volumes generated by grocery store inevitably

[3:10:51] result and significantly more violations.

[3:10:55] In the end, police enforcement can only focus on speeding and stop sign observance.

[3:11:00] Such enforcement is not designed to reduce traffic volume.

[3:11:04] Thus, it will have no effect on the sheer number of cars traveling, old, spring, road.

[3:11:10] Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

[3:11:11] Next speaker is Jill Beverage.

[3:11:24] Good evening.

[3:11:24] I'm Jill Beverage.

[3:11:25] Member of the Farmington Place Home Owners Association.

[3:11:29] 4821 Farmington Place Court.

[3:11:32] Ronald Virginia.

[3:11:34] Oral comment part three from our association.

[3:11:38] The Barnett grocery store will eliminate this rustic residential area.

[3:11:43] And have an adverse impact on the quality of life for our surrounding residences.

[3:11:49] in addition to the traffic congestion we've spoken of.

[3:11:53] The grocery store itself will generate noise around the clock

[3:11:56] large after hour delivery trucks

[3:11:59] the forklifts the track collection and compacting

[3:12:04] and some litter blown about.

[3:12:07] At present, we at Farmington Place residents see the bright lights

[3:12:11] from Croger CBS and the gas station now.

[3:12:15] You want to enhance the county's tax base

[3:12:18] Zoning R1 would allow homes needed such as patio homes, which are in high demand.

[3:12:24] Was this land even put out for residential contractors?

[3:12:29] With this unneeded grocery store, the property values of the numerous homes surrounding it will decline,

[3:12:36] which is a decline in your county revenue.

[3:12:40] In Ronald County 70 to 85% of the real estate tax base is residential real estate,

[3:12:45] which is then a primary source of income for the county.

[3:12:50] What should be of ultimate value in our county is its people and their quality of life.

[3:12:57] We look to the county to protect us and we made the decision to purchase our homes because

[3:13:03] the land was zoned residential and we assumed in good faith it would remain residential.

[3:13:10] And we hope the county would honor that zoning.

[3:13:14] Thank you for serving your constituents.

[3:13:18] Next speaker is Rick Bibles.

[3:13:27] Rick Bibles.

[3:13:29] 34.

[3:13:31] Oak Cliff, John.

[3:13:32] Airste.

[3:13:32] In Ronald, Virginia.

[3:13:34] Farmings in place, homeowners association.

[3:13:37] Oralcoming, part 4.

[3:13:39] Good evening Mr. Chairman.

[3:13:40] Good evening Mr. Chairman.

[3:13:43] Should the board approve the rezoning application?

[3:13:45] And we respectfully ask that approval will be made

[3:13:48] contention on the following conditions.

[3:13:51] And force these conditions through the permitting process

[3:13:54] by attaching these conditions to the various required

[3:13:56] permits.

[3:13:58] Ensure compliance through inspection by county enforcement

[3:14:01] inspectors during construction and wind construction

[3:14:04] is completed.

[3:14:06] Use any other legal enforcement mechanisms

[3:14:08] to ensure establishment and compliance.

[3:14:11] Number one, building sighting.

[3:14:14] reverse the location of the grocery store building, such that the building is closest to

[3:14:20] Bramilton Avenue, where other commercial buildings are located, and the back facing that

[3:14:26] road rather than the residential area,

[3:14:31] the front facing north rather than south. It's a building

[3:14:34] is cited at the southwest corner of the property, both access drives can remain the same. This

[3:14:40] is the most effective way to mitigate the noise problem, the most intrusive noise being

[3:14:45] generated at the back of the building, most likely around the clock.

[3:14:50] Number two, lower elevation.

[3:14:53] Drop the elevation of the building and parking lot another 30 feet.

[3:14:57] That is, from 1,130 feet, down so.

[3:15:00] 1,100 feet to provide a buffer for noise and light for the large number of residences adjacent to the project. The store and its parking lot are already much higher than on case spring road.

[3:15:14] Number three, buffers own to buffer from the adverse impacts and to maintain some semblance of this rustic residential area, install a 40-foot landscape buffer of the dense kind surrounding the grocery store building and parking lot bordering the residential areas.

[3:15:30] In addition, an eight foot wooden fence, not chain length, should be installed between the grocery store building and parking lot in the buffer.

[3:15:40] Number four, lighting restrictions, parking lot, light, pole, height, and fixture angle, and shielding should provide minimum ground illuminants, and be installed such that lighting emanating from the fixtures does not shine beyond the paved lot perimeter, and be reflective downward from the atmosphere.

[3:16:00] Lighting attached to the building should also conform to this geographic and illuminates limit.

[3:16:05] Number five, turn off lights at night.

[3:16:09] As many lights as possible should be turned off at night.

[3:16:13] This would include most of the lighting in the parking lot.

[3:16:16] Only those lights necessary to illuminate access to the store

[3:16:19] at the rear should be operational.

[3:16:22] Thank you for this opportunity to speak.

[3:16:25] Next speaker is Susan Lewis.

[3:16:28] Good

[3:16:44] evening, Mr. Chairman and members of the Board.

[3:16:47] Susan Lewis, member of Farmington Place Homeers Association,

[3:16:50] 4812 Case Frame Lane, Roanoke, Virginia 24018.

[3:16:56] Farmington Place Homeers Association requests for conditions continued.

[3:17:00] Six, limit hours of operation.

[3:17:03] The Planning Commission's recommendation to limit hours of operation

[3:17:06] that is, the business hours when the store will be open to the public

[3:17:10] will be helpful and is important to implement.

[3:17:12] But this measure will only be partially effective in reducing noise and lighting at night.

[3:17:18] Grocery stores routinely on low large trucks and restock the shells between 11pm and 7am.

[3:17:25] Number seven, parking lot reduction.

[3:17:27] If the building is not relocated to the southwest corner of the lot,

[3:17:31] then eliminate one row of parking at the south and move the building further down south.

[3:17:36] That is farther away from the adjacent residential area north.

[3:17:40] Our net is already requesting more parking spaces than the county requires for this size and type of commercial development.

[3:17:48] Number eight, traffic studies.

[3:17:50] Since neither VDOT officials, more county officials, adequately guided and evaluated the weather-real traffic study,

[3:17:57] establish a committee of effective individuals and organizations to identify and provide guidance to an objective third party,

[3:18:05] not our net whether it will or will no county traffic to perform a more typical and inclusive traffic impact evaluation.

[3:18:13] Conduct during months of typical traffic volume, October or April,

[3:18:17] included the intersection of old case spring road and case spring lane,

[3:18:22] as well as farmington place court and case spring lane.

[3:18:26] Consider school bus and emergency vehicle access.

[3:18:29] Number nine, traffic management, apply to V dot for a traffic light at the intersection of

[3:18:36] case swing lane and old-case swing road.

[3:18:39] Otherwise entry on to old-case swing road from case swing lane will be virtually impossible

[3:18:44] without dangerous maneuvers.

[3:18:46] This includes school buses and emergency vehicles.

[3:18:50] Number 10, stormwater management facility.

[3:18:53] An underground stormwater management facility should be specified.

[3:18:56] large enough to prevent an increase in unmanaged stormwater flow into Mudlic Creek, exacerbating flooding on

[3:19:04] farmington place in adjacent properties, down and upstream.

[3:19:08] According to the Rowan of County Report, evaluation of drainage concerns of farmington

[3:19:13] place, this land's vicinity is at the bottom of a sizeable drainage area of, quote, 70 to 80 acres

[3:19:19] on quote. At present, even without the grocery store,

[3:19:24] Mudley Creek floods on to farmage and place property,

[3:19:27] up to 30 feet at the east end, as quote can be expected

[3:19:31] during heavy storms on quote with current storm activity.

[3:19:36] After approving the design, the county agrees to inspect

[3:19:39] the facility during construction, and when construction

[3:19:42] is completed, to ensure that the facility

[3:19:44] conforms to approved specifications.

[3:19:46] We respectfully refer the board to our written comment,

[3:19:50] Senate and directly to the board that provides our complete reasoning

[3:19:53] evidence and specific details.

[3:19:56] This written comments submitted to the board supersedes and replaces

[3:19:59] the comment appearing in the Planning Commission's packet

[3:20:02] previously conveyed to the board.

[3:20:05] Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

[3:20:07] Next speaker is Carol Mickey.

[3:20:22] Good evening.

[3:20:23] This I'm Carol Mickey.

[3:20:24] Member of the Board of Directors of Farmington Plyse,

[3:20:28] a Member of Association,

[3:20:30] 4904 Caves, BrainLine,

[3:20:32] Rona of Virginia, 2401, 8.

[3:20:36] Good evening, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Board.

[3:20:40] Farmington Plyse,

[3:20:41] Homeowners of Association,

[3:20:43] respectfully request that the Rona County Board of

[3:20:46] State Provisors,

[3:20:47] do not approve the grocery store,

[3:20:49] rezoning application.

[3:20:51] The grocery store commercial property

[3:20:53] property violates the future land desinations of this land, which specifically residential

[3:21:00] development is defined by a kind of county comprehensive plan.

[3:21:05] The grocery store project required rezoning the forces commercial into otherwise long-standing

[3:21:11] residential zone area, and would betray residents who purchased their property, assume

[3:21:17] and they could rely on the county to honor and protect the zoning.

[3:21:22] A residential property would have been built on a proposed grocery store property, a long

[3:21:27] ago.

[3:21:28] But for V.D. properties at Brampton Road in Old Cave, Spring Lane, needed for ingress,

[3:21:35] ingress, and egress.

[3:21:37] V.D. refused to sell the land since 1980 until it was purchased by Ronald County in February

[3:21:44] 2021.

[3:21:46] They're the county on for the land for sell for residential developers.

[3:21:50] The grocery store will increase traffic congestion on every cave spring lane.

[3:21:57] Okay, road.

[3:21:58] Despite the proposed remedy measures which is already at an untenable level, further the grocery

[3:22:05] store will increase already excessive congestion and speeding problems on cave spring lane.

[3:22:12] The collector road then will carry most of the traffic from the target customer base north

[3:22:17] and was designated by Barnett.

[3:22:20] Traffic studies conducted by Ronald County Police Department

[3:22:24] invalidates the weather-real traffic study

[3:22:27] because it did not study the intersection.

[3:22:32] In fact, the police study of January 2020 indicates that cave spring lane actually supplied

[3:22:40] all cave spring road with two and a half times as much traffic late afternoon and 68% more traffic

[3:22:48] of the wrong as the gritty road.

[3:22:52] The proposed grocery store will ask the substantial congestion in Cape Springland in a section

[3:22:58] now.

[3:22:59] Moreover, the weather-real study was conducted in February.

[3:23:04] There's a various winter month, a period of at least traffic, again, calling into question

[3:23:10] the effectiveness of the remanete measures.

[3:23:14] There's no need for this grocery store.

[3:23:16] Being in this commercial diversity retail opportunities or otherwise, because there's already

[3:23:22] grocery store across the street, now the three minutes and another eight minutes away,

[3:23:27] which is actually closer to the designated customer base. This grocery store will substantially

[3:23:33] reduce the quality of life, and therefore the desirable of this surrounding residential properties

[3:23:39] do the to the perpetual noise lighting traffic congestion and so on, reducing the real estate

[3:23:47] monetary value of these properties. This presumes increase the tax revenue from a commercial

[3:23:54] property, we will offset the reduced property values of the numerous surrounding residential

[3:24:00] properties.

[3:24:04] Thank you for the opportunity, Ms. Bain.

[3:24:07] Next speaker is Wayne Weaver.

[3:24:21] First off, let me say I'm not weak in that you had high surgery today, sir.

[3:24:24] I had a flu.

[3:24:26] I'm not weak in that.

[3:24:28] But anyway, I'm Wayne Weaver Board of Directors of Farmington,

[3:24:31] placed a cage spring 4818 plane.

[3:24:34] I was in the material handling business for 43 years.

[3:24:38] As being a part of the material handling business,

[3:24:41] I was a sales engineer.

[3:24:43] What we did in that part of what I was...

[3:24:46] What I want to bring to the table is what I did, forklifts, back up alarms,

[3:24:52] requirements by OSHA, and by those with that is a federal law for every

[3:24:56] pork truck to have some kind of noise beeper when that truck is going in reverse.

[3:25:02] These trucks have flashing lights, they have horns and drivers are required to blow

[3:25:07] the horns when they're leaving the intersection of an aisle.

[3:25:12] The liftrucks horn, excuse me, back equipment, so the number of these to corroborate distribution.

[3:25:20] What they do is a metal board.

[3:25:23] It secures the board to the truck.

[3:25:25] And the support truck goes along with the static load.

[3:25:28] It makes a tremendous noise.

[3:25:31] Liftrucks will know these words cause a huge amount of noise.

[3:25:37] Most tractor trailers, and this is a study we done when they get all warehouse,

[3:25:42] have at least 30 pallet loads on a truck.

[3:25:46] So if that being said, it takes 30 trips into a truck to the rack and back into that truck

[3:25:52] to offload that truck at any given time of the day.

[3:25:59] Cavayers constantly running.

[3:26:01] There's conveyors are stacking product from the warehouse down on a pallet.

[3:26:06] These hardly ever stop and they're running almost the whole time the warehouse is opening.

[3:26:10] of it. My last point of what I would like to say here is that most, and I think it's already

[3:26:16] been most of the loading, is done after hours. What that means is there's nobody in

[3:26:22] the store, they can get back the trucks in, offload at night, and that's when you have

[3:26:27] the most noise and that noise generates way beyond word its own premises. So with my point

[3:26:35] I would like to the county to re-think about where they would do something with this store and another location.

[3:26:44] Again, I thank you for listening to each and every one of us, and I'll appreciate the time.

[3:26:49] Next speaker is Sharon Merronick.

[3:26:53] Sharon Merronick.

[3:26:58] Sharon Merronick.

[3:26:59] 4 9 1 6 case ring lane.

[3:27:07] Barbara Miller.

[3:27:17] Barbara Miller.

[3:27:18] I'm 49, 49, 40, Kate Springline.

[3:27:22] Good evening.

[3:27:24] My husband and I bought our house in Kate Springline 27 years ago.

[3:27:30] We fell in love with the area.

[3:27:33] Our bath yard backs up to what the lighting and everything

[3:27:40] that this is going to create.

[3:27:42] The noise, the lighting,

[3:27:46] and that's going to be,

[3:27:47] We just love the area because of the wildlife, the wonderful view, and to know that we're

[3:27:56] not going to have that, it's very disappointing.

[3:28:01] My next concern is the traffic.

[3:28:05] I have on one side of me, four children, and on the other side, three.

[3:28:13] The traffic on K-Skrain Lane is absolutely horrible, and I've cramped when those children

[3:28:21] crossed that road to get to the bus stop.

[3:28:25] There was one morning I saw a car pass the school bus even with the stops I announced.

[3:28:33] And of course I didn't get the license plate out of the car, but I did call and report it.

[3:28:41] This has been some time ago, but it seems like when they come around the curve at Farmington Road.

[3:28:52] The house on my left is Farmington.

[3:28:56] All my right is still Cape Spring Lane.

[3:28:59] And it seems like when they come around that curve, they pick up speed to go down to the Cape Spring Road.

[3:29:07] I mean, it is just like for some reason they'd like to speed up so that concerns me.

[3:29:19] Thank you.

[3:29:20] Thank you.

[3:29:22] Ruby, weaver.

[3:29:30] Good evening, Chairman.

[3:29:30] Members of the Board.

[3:29:32] My name is Ruby Weaver.

[3:29:33] I live at 4818 Cave Spring Lane.

[3:29:36] I'm a member of the Formington Place Home Services Association.

[3:29:39] Here are my issues.

[3:29:41] The access to Cave Spring Lane for my driveway during the morning working hours and evening hours.

[3:29:47] the road is heavily traveled, and the day, and during the day, and the evening.

[3:29:52] There are many days when backing out of my driveway,

[3:29:55] I'll stay at the top of my driveway to get clearance so that I can see clearance.

[3:29:59] I have a very pitch.

[3:30:01] So, in order to get out on cash-free money, I stay at the top of my driveway and make sure that there's nothing coming one way or the other.

[3:30:11] There's no way of who are cars to go if there is an encounter, you're going to go in a ditch or you're going to go into a framed offense across the street for us.

[3:30:23] The other issue that I have is getting our mail and our trash cans.

[3:30:29] You have to really risk your life at some point in time to just go to the mailbox or bring

[3:30:36] a trash can up or down, and there have been times when a neighbor might use to live there

[3:30:43] actually had to jump into the ditch to avoid a car breaking her leg.

[3:30:50] We've had our mailbox destroyed twice and we've had several trans receptacles destroyed.

[3:30:58] We've lived in this area for 23 years, we love it, but to have enterprise come in and destroy

[3:31:06] what we have built and lived there for is very disturbing to us.

[3:31:12] So I appreciate your time.

[3:31:13] Thank you so much.

[3:31:15] The next speaker is Kirk Rowling.

[3:31:25] I think we'll be a conceptual plan again

[3:31:30] for our start.

[3:31:36] Is that the part one?

[3:31:38] Yes.

[3:31:39] Yes.

[3:31:39] That's nice enough.

[3:31:41] My name is Kirk Rowland.

[3:31:43] My wife and I live at 43-46-43.

[3:31:47] She was very cool.

[3:31:49] Which is the joining property to this proposed facility.

[3:31:54] I want to clear up one list because that's before I get to start here.

[3:31:57] They talked about the cross section through that showed a large retaining wall.

[3:32:04] That is at the highest peak of the land and this is very steep land.

[3:32:10] And if you look closely you'll see at the loading dock area and the address through and

[3:32:15] the downstairs that the gray back there is roughly the same gray as my joining property.

[3:32:20] So the really is very misleading that cut through that high spot on the whole site, it is a steep space, and all that noise, the noise ordered for the blood to ride Jason to my property, and that Kingston court name.

[3:32:40] But I would like to stress the thought you guys the process and I must admit I'm a little

[3:32:46] naive and the reason I request as being part of the public, I do not know how much interaction

[3:32:56] they cannot perform in a zoning department as had with the petitioner and the tenant as

[3:33:02] other options in the area. My concern is they developed, came in and picked this spot, and

[3:33:10] I have a lot of concerns with that, and they started with the Plan and Commission's public

[3:33:15] meeting in November. The developer was unwilling to name his client. Seconds were questioned

[3:33:22] by the petitioner for resigning denied to any proffers that showed their willingness to work

[3:33:32] to C2 does not meet any of the voter county comprehensive plans, and finally, a comment

[3:33:38] by one of the planning commission board members stating that he likes the project because

[3:33:43] it cleans up the zoning on the existing parcels of land and development to the office

[3:33:47] reason and request.

[3:33:51] It doesn't take a lot of research to determine that the developer's client

[3:33:55] is probably a public's, and this is why I'm requesting the elected Board of Supervisors

[3:34:00] and Brena County's help in a quest of thorough review of the big picture for publics.

[3:34:07] And beyond the present day, we use any request before proven and offer the following

[3:34:12] to this request.

[3:34:14] It refers to the planning, the Department of the Executive, the summary, the economic

[3:34:18] department, comments, reflect bias as the county is a property in the rezoning application.

[3:34:25] In addition, the economic development states that will enhance the tax base, this tax

[3:34:30] We all set somewhat due to decreased residential property values and revenue income taxes will be all set by loss of revenue and your vibration stores

[3:34:39] They also state it creates desirable retail shopping opportunities. This is misleading as it does not create any new opportunities

[3:34:49] Just competition

[3:34:51] The developer is from North Carolina

[3:34:53] And the tenant, which is probably the public, is the headquarters of the Florida, so all

[3:34:58] the revenue from this project is leaving here.

[3:35:01] The use of these parcels per the existing comprehensive plan, but encouraged local business

[3:35:08] to build in the transition zones and keep the money in the neighborhood and in the county.

[3:35:15] The second summary also states, notes the statement from the county chief police that it will

[3:35:21] result in an increased demand for police services.

[3:35:26] So, however, however, the big concern I have is for the future of this area, and all

[3:35:31] of Southwest County, of Southwestern Virginia.

[3:35:35] The conditions, clients, as most likely, products and they are looking to expand into Virginia.

[3:35:41] My question to the board is, has it economic development planning departments visited other

[3:35:47] and options. I'm sure politics is committed to moving into this area, but they have no other

[3:35:54] facilities in this area. The closest would be Green'sboro and Winston Salem, which is five

[3:36:01] stores. While they were building a refrigerator frozen distribution center in Green'sboro,

[3:36:07] it's slated to be opened in operation by 2025,

[3:36:12] they are competing against Groger, which has a distribution

[3:36:14] consider here in Salem and has at least a dozen stores in the immediate area.

[3:36:25] And my question to you guys, and you are happy to be our average, because we've been

[3:36:28] for you guys, put you in your video positions, and you are my advocates and representatives.

[3:36:34] So, I question, they have chosen this site that has two progress stores, a pharmacy, and

[3:36:40] pharmacies, a CVS, and Walgreens, all within a mile and a few minutes.

[3:36:43] We hope public provide enough of a difference in services to compete with Croker, with her

[3:36:50] distribution center in this area, and until recently, actually, it was headquartered

[3:36:55] regional headquarters here.

[3:36:57] The runner-up County is due to his terrain, terrain does not have the capacity for future

[3:37:02] growth of clientele, especially in Southwest County.

[3:37:06] This is an issue that this area is dealt with for years and years.

[3:37:10] So my questions are, what if the business model fails and the abandoned moving in the Southwest Virginia?

[3:37:18] The Southwest County has stuck with the building that may not be able to feel.

[3:37:22] The President Krueger across the street came from, is from.

[3:37:30] They bought from Harris Teter because Harris Teter model in this area did not work. So U-Crops is another example of a failed business model in this area.

[3:37:42] So, have lots of concerns that I'm hoping that you guys are looking toward the future and will work with publics.

[3:37:48] Whether it's this side or some other side, but take your time, and this don't rush it, this process has been rushed through on the public.

[3:37:55] Now, I'll hope that you guys have spent the time with the petitioner to look at all options

[3:37:59] to run our county.

[3:38:01] The other thing is if this is a route of success, please wrap it up if you're sorry.

[3:38:05] Yes, I will.

[3:38:06] We're three and a half minutes over.

[3:38:08] Corrovers is awesome.

[3:38:09] There are three grocery stores in the area.

[3:38:12] Some have got to get.

[3:38:14] So, you may have an empty public in the future or an empty crovers.

[3:38:18] So, our other options, please make sure that you guys spend the time and don't rush

[3:38:25] to this process, you know, hope that you do not.

[3:38:28] Thank you.

[3:38:29] Next speaker is Dr. Kenneth Lutt-Lutt-K.

[3:38:34] Bye.

[3:38:35] I'll close some pronunciation.

[3:38:37] It's time to do that.

[3:38:39] Chairman and members of the board.

[3:38:40] Thank you very much.

[3:38:42] I have had my private practice, not really, not loose.

[3:38:46] Galvin, independent practice, something very rare.

[3:38:48] And I think someone valuable for the area in Brampton Commons

[3:38:52] for the last 11 years.

[3:38:53] In that time, I've seen the traffic come to a point where I have lost patients, so my

[3:38:59] seniors will no longer come to see me because of trying to get out.

[3:39:03] And with the current proposed model with the right end, right out on Rambleton, that will

[3:39:08] make it even harder for us to see our patients.

[3:39:11] And I'm not alone.

[3:39:12] I'm one of 18 different businesses in that development, and this will not be helpful for

[3:39:18] us.

[3:39:18] It may force me to have to leave the area as well as others in that.

[3:39:23] development, because we will not be able to access as KC said our businesses in the

[3:39:30] room.

[3:39:31] Thank you.

[3:39:33] The next speaker is Paul of Powell, Paul of Owl.

[3:39:43] Thank you Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

[3:39:46] My name is Paul of Owl, and I live at 5455 Lakedale Road.

[3:39:52] My business is in Brambleton comments.

[3:39:57] The entrance in exit is directly, oh, it's gone.

[3:40:01] Directly adjacent, directly below the driveway that exists there now, comes right up against the Exit and Entrance to our, um, to

[3:40:12] Bramble to Commons. I have on this business for 23 years. I've watched the community south of 419 on Brambleton Avenue grow exponentially, residential business, and even in your high school.

[3:40:24] All the while making the intersection of Brambleton Avenue and Colonial Avenue and Old Caves

[3:40:30] Spring Road become more dangerous and difficult to navigate, excuse me.

[3:40:36] It is near impossible to make a left-hand turn out of Brambleton Commons and exiting to the

[3:40:42] right depends solely on the mercy of an oncoming traffic.

[3:40:46] With the right on Reddit Old Caves Spring Road, there is never a break in Southbound traffic

[3:40:51] on Brambleton Avenue.

[3:41:01] Adding exit traffic from a much-adored grocery chain with 200 plus parking spaces will prevent

[3:41:08] customers that frequent the 18 businesses at Ramilton Commons and beyond, ingress and

[3:41:13] egress.

[3:41:15] It seems a more thoughtful plan would only allow entrants from Ramilton Avenue and no right

[3:41:20] on red at all cave spring road to stop an already overloaded intersection from becoming more

[3:41:25] dangerous and protecting existing businesses.

[3:41:29] Thank you very much.

[3:41:29] Thank you.

[3:41:31] Next speaker is Volita Kippman.

[3:41:43] Chairman Mahoney, members of the Board of Supervisors, thank you for the opportunity to

[3:41:47] speak tonight.

[3:41:47] My name is Volita Kippman, and although I have a run-in-acidia dress, I've been a property owner

[3:41:53] at Brampton Commons since 1990 and had been business owner in the county since 1985.

[3:42:02] Those of us who work there at Ramon New Commons on a daily basis understand that this is a very hazardous situation leaving the property as Polar announced.

[3:42:15] My remarks are not based on a V dot study they come from daily observation of being there and trying to maneuver outside.

[3:42:21] I leave the property and making a left-hand turn, especially late afternoon, well I'd say

[3:42:28] from three o'clock on when the schools let out the Hidden Valley High School case-spring

[3:42:33] middle school.

[3:42:35] What we have found to be a remedy instead of sitting there through at least two cycles of traffic

[3:42:40] lights at the intersection of Caves Spring, I mean, okay Spring Road and Brownleton Avenue

[3:42:47] is that we will take a right-hand turn and then make a u-e to come back.

[3:42:55] So, you know, that is not the best traffic-low situation.

[3:42:59] So, I'm thinking that with our entrance and exit, we have one.

[3:43:07] The property that's being under consideration is within 30 yards of where our entrance and exit is,

[3:43:14] which is basically the width of this room.

[3:43:17] So if I'm having to make a UE to get out of my property,

[3:43:22] how about the people that are coming out of the grocery store?

[3:43:25] Are they going to be making UE to get back to the right?

[3:43:31] I don't know.

[3:43:31] It seems like it's just a recipe for disaster.

[3:43:35] I just don't know what to expect when, if that happens,

[3:43:39] critical to the success of a bricks and mortar business

[3:43:43] is the ability of customers to access it, even a single or slight inconvenience could lead to a decline in sales.

[3:43:53] Customers will shy away from a business that is just too difficult for them to get into and leave.

[3:44:00] Please take that into your consideration.

[3:44:02] I don't know what the remedy is, I don't have one.

[3:44:04] short of not approving the rezoning request, but if you do approve the rezoning request,

[3:44:10] please give some support and protection to your small business owners in the county.

[3:44:17] Thank you.

[3:44:18] Next speaker is Whitney Smith.

[3:44:21] Whitney Smith.

[3:44:25] Thank you.

[3:44:27] I'm here tonight working late for us.

[3:44:30] I want to reiterate what Ms. Pittman had just said about the U-turn.

[3:44:34] Oh my gosh.

[3:44:35] You know, I'm not just, we use that little phrase,

[3:44:38] what lies, dang, lies, statistics, and they're talking

[3:44:40] about the traffic.

[3:44:42] The study seems like skylight falls in,

[3:44:44] because I did just a human test.

[3:44:46] I went and stitched it down there for about 20 minutes.

[3:44:48] It's at the bottom of the hill.

[3:44:50] And there's three car links between, when you make,

[3:44:53] coming from Bojangles to make a left-hand term,

[3:44:57] how in the world there's a lot of traffic going to be going.

[3:45:00] Right there. And then when they're not going like she was just saying, you have right on red, come now, okay, spring. And they mentioned that at some point, you could take a left off the 2021 into the grocery store. Now, in real life, forget all the statistics. I can't wait to see that happen, especially at certain times of the day. So, I want to reiterate what she just said there.

[3:45:25] Of course, on the traffic, everything that they had brought up in the planning commission by our neighborhood,

[3:45:32] not to get to mention on Whitley Smith, I'm living on the north side, in Kingston Court, at 46A6 category.

[3:45:41] So I travel that road, literally, I added up, I had probably taken that route 10,000 times.

[3:45:46] I just don't see how that traffic is going to work.

[3:45:49] And from 18 willer has to leave there, and they can't get out at okay spring, certain times a day.

[3:45:53] And then they have to leave the main entrance, and they can't do a U-turn through the church.

[3:45:58] I guess they're going to have to drive all the way around through Penn Forest and cut through

[3:46:03] the hospitals.

[3:46:04] Somehow, get back to 419, so I don't think that's going to work very well either.

[3:46:08] I know everybody's kind of thinking it could be publics and different stores, but I think the

[3:46:12] secrecy of not knowing who it is is very important because it could be food line for all

[3:46:18] on that.

[3:46:18] food line, we are a half-two. I hate for them to be a third unless we think about closing

[3:46:24] one. They are. So I really think that should be disclosed to the public to begin with.

[3:46:30] And the thing I do think this should be tabled a little bit, I'm so happy that Formatins

[3:46:34] showed up. We have a lot of kids in our neighborhood and parents say it's hard for them to get

[3:46:38] out tonight, but Director of Planning, Mr. Thompson did say after the December 6 meeting that

[3:46:45] letter would be sent out to the neighborhood,

[3:46:47] talk about the meeting for tonight.

[3:46:49] It never went out.

[3:46:51] And the minutes from the November 1st meeting

[3:46:53] had not been posted on the website.

[3:46:55] So our neighborhood has also had a hard time

[3:46:57] reading about what happened to have that.

[3:46:59] I mean, I think that's very important.

[3:47:02] And I'd like to reiterate the conversation of sales.

[3:47:05] If you're looking to increase revenue,

[3:47:09] I just don't see a lot of the south, less counting people

[3:47:13] go to progure, get their fuel points. If they stop going to there and go across the street,

[3:47:19] we really benefiting sales in our area. I think you really have to weigh that, whereas we

[3:47:27] do have the new development out there, when I'm new development,

[3:47:34] I can't think the name

[3:47:35] of all the time. I don't know what's not that is, but when we started years ago, because

[3:47:41] of the economy and different things that happened.

[3:47:44] Obviously, it's had to lay that piece of property right there.

[3:47:46] Almost seems like a better fit for a new grocery store

[3:47:50] and I believe they might have looked at it.

[3:47:52] Anyway, thank you.

[3:47:53] I'll have to take an hour and I'll put it in the for the store.

[3:47:57] The next speaker is Michelle Davis.

[3:48:07] I will tell you, so Michelle Davis, 49-09,

[3:48:10] Kate Spring, Maine.

[3:48:13] I have moved to the county, having formally served

[3:48:15] on Renex City Council.

[3:48:16] It is so good to see you all.

[3:48:18] It's much more nerve-wracking being on this side of the desk than being on that side.

[3:48:22] So, recognizing that you all have a very difficult job.

[3:48:27] You will have a familiar answer.

[3:48:28] I guess that's a very serious answer.

[3:48:31] But recognizing I know a resounding is always a difficult request.

[3:48:35] Especially when you have public that are coming out to seek against it.

[3:48:38] And I'm here with my family this evening.

[3:48:40] We all live on the property together.

[3:48:41] We're so thrilled to be in the county.

[3:48:43] I'll tell the people in the city.

[3:48:44] I said that.

[3:48:44] But it does a lovely place and we are on Cave Spring Lane and are directly impacted by the traffic

[3:48:51] backup on Old Cave Spring Road.

[3:48:54] My daughter actually dances at our bell stone right around the corner and getting her to dance

[3:48:58] class and the evenings is a very difficult proposition as it is.

[3:49:02] You've already heard the traffic concerns.

[3:49:04] I don't need to reiterate them for you.

[3:49:06] I think the fatal flaw of the proposal that you all have received is the fact that Old Cave

[3:49:10] spring road and case spring lane intersection have not been studied.

[3:49:16] The traffic already backs up past that intersection on regular basis.

[3:49:20] Looking at the site plan as it was designed, it seems to me that anyone who was going anywhere

[3:49:27] leaving the parking lot of the proposed grocery store anywhere but up the mountain is going

[3:49:33] to have to use old case spring road in order to exit that parking lot.

[3:49:37] the amount of traffic that that puts on an already over traffic road that I know you all

[3:49:42] have been working for decades to try and fix and have not had the support from the state

[3:49:49] in order to try and fix that and the funding from the state to fix that intersection but the

[3:49:53] impact that this measures are will have on that already poorly designed intersection is going

[3:50:01] to be tremendous to the many residents who already live back in that area. I think to speak to

[3:50:07] bottom line, many people have brought up the fact that the density of

[3:50:10] grocery stores in our area is already significant. I understand competition,

[3:50:14] competition is great, but what happens, you know, the sales tax increase,

[3:50:19] looks really nice on paper and I love the idea, but what happens when it

[3:50:23] drives one of the other grocery stores out of business and that sales tax

[3:50:27] base decreases and then you're left at a net zero with an empty building

[3:50:31] that nobody can lease out for many years. I know a lot of money and work has

[3:50:35] going into this proposal. I see a lot of familiar faces in the room who have worked on this

[3:50:40] proposal already, but I would ask that at a minimum that the traffic be studied at Old

[3:50:45] Cavespring Road and Cavespring Lane based on the Scherner number of residents that live back

[3:50:50] there and have to use that intersection every single day. So thank you all. I appreciate

[3:50:54] them.

[3:50:56] The final speaker is Shane Dwyer, Shane Dwyer.

[3:51:07] Good evening.

[3:51:07] Shane Dwyer, 134 keen to be now drive.

[3:51:10] My address is in Rona City, but I do live about 100 yards away from the county line there

[3:51:14] at Allen.

[3:51:14] So I don't really have a dog in this fight, but you can tell from that concept proposal,

[3:51:18] there's some unique hints that this is a public.

[3:51:20] So I just want to voice my support for public, something that's a great company.

[3:51:23] And I think it would be a great get to have here in the Rowan of Valley.

[3:51:26] I know myself, I work in Salem.

[3:51:28] I would go out of the way to stop the public some of my way home and visit that grocery store

[3:51:32] because I do appreciate what they have to offer as compared to Crober and Food Line and

[3:51:36] some of the other options.

[3:51:38] So a lot of folks here do have very valid points.

[3:51:39] Again, I don't live on that side of town, so I wouldn't have to deal with that traffic,

[3:51:43] so I understand where they are coming from, but I hope that if this plan does not work that

[3:51:47] the county works with the developer to find something else, the little site over next

[3:51:51] Crober at Bonzack, I would welcome very much to be over there, put me a little bit closer

[3:51:56] there as well, but hopefully we can come to the conclusion that makes it work for everybody.

[3:52:00] Thank you.

[3:52:01] I had a speaker that I called out and the speaker didn't show up, so I'll call out again

[3:52:08] a Sharon Moronic

[3:52:13] going once, going twice, and sit.

[3:52:17] Those are all the speakers I have signed up, there's the board wants to take a break.

[3:52:23] Do you want to question anybody?

[3:52:24] I will close the panel.

[3:52:27] I will close the public hearing.

[3:52:29] Thank you.

[3:52:31] What's the pleasure of the board? It's 833. Full speed ahead or you want to break?

[3:52:39] I'm going to keep going.

[3:52:42] All right. Once the pleasure of the board, we want to talk to Evita to, we want to act.

[3:52:49] Yeah, I'd like to have. Mr. Levin, you are up.

[3:52:54] He was thrown behind by me.

[3:52:56] I saw him ducked out.

[3:52:58] I saw him ducked out.

[3:53:02] Good evening.

[3:53:04] Brian Belevens on the Salem Resident Engineer of V dot.

[3:53:07] Our office was the one that received this concept plan, the study.

[3:53:12] Provided comments and provided our concurrence.

[3:53:16] Any questions for me?

[3:53:17] Mr. Rep.

[3:53:18] Yep.

[3:53:19] So you heard comments from the people that were speaking about.

[3:53:25] about K-Spring, Lane, and O-K-Spring,

[3:53:30] and the intersection wasn't studied and asked the traffic

[3:53:35] guy with an additional, but y'all didn't recommend

[3:53:38] that that would be impacted.

[3:53:40] So it's impacted now from what we hear,

[3:53:44] by the way, I dropped through there all the time.

[3:53:48] So sometimes it's backed up to sometimes it's not.

[3:53:50] I actually had an accident there.

[3:53:52] back in the late, in the late 90s, a snowy day calls out.

[3:54:00] But give me some insight on, and also, I know we had,

[3:54:07] we were going to take all McViddy Road one day and expand that

[3:54:10] to four lanes, so maybe you can kind of tell us about that,

[3:54:14] or whatever, widen it, okay, not four lanes.

[3:54:19] Yeah, I'll talk about the study and the recommendations for the number of intersections first.

[3:54:25] I think one thing to explain, and maybe the petitioner wouldn't have been able to explain that,

[3:54:29] is that at least with the study of this size for what they are anticipating for trips,

[3:54:34] we not really can only require improvements along the front edge of the property,

[3:54:38] which the front edge of the property only includes a small portion of all case ring lane

[3:54:41] in a small portion of Bramilton Avenue.

[3:54:45] The number of studies that the number of intersections that they actually studied really was only

[3:54:50] to look at major impacts and major intersections and for the flow of traffic along the three

[3:54:55] signals.

[3:54:56] Because as they stated, there are some operations when she was there during the peak hours and

[3:55:00] on Saturdays.

[3:55:03] The only reason why the intersection of McViddy in all case-free lane was included was simply

[3:55:08] because the fact that for most of the cut true traffic

[3:55:10] from 118 to 119 to 119 come from,

[3:55:14] it was deemed that okay spring laying,

[3:55:16] while it could have been included,

[3:55:18] might see a sliding trace in traffic from this grocery store,

[3:55:23] but the changes there would be minimal,

[3:55:25] at least for what's coming out, anguoying in,

[3:55:28] because there's other ways out of that neighborhood,

[3:55:29] they don't really have to come out that way

[3:55:31] unless they're going to this area

[3:55:32] to shop or go to work or something like that.

[3:55:35] So there was really no reason to include it,

[3:55:37] Plus, we couldn't, from a part, we're pretty improvements there anyway, it may have just

[3:55:42] identified an issue that already exists and may not have actually identified anything new.

[3:55:49] As for the project, they are correct.

[3:55:51] We have been working on a project for, at least we had a project on the books for a number of

[3:55:54] years decades, I think they said.

[3:55:58] But, unfortunately, after preliminary engineering and right of way, if we do already

[3:56:01] on right of way for you there, we could not obtain the funding and including partner with

[3:56:06] county and multiple different applications and multiple different ways to actually expand and

[3:56:11] straighten like many slightly and it would have included some of the improvements

[3:56:15] that the developers do in the day, which includes extend in that right turnling.

[3:56:19] That will improve the operations that the intersection, including the restriping,

[3:56:23] they're doing some minor restriping on the opposite side of the intersection,

[3:56:27] which will also improve some of the operations that intersection,

[3:56:30] kind of decreasing the layout overall.

[3:56:35] I'd like to know your opinion of their access and the egress on the Bramleton Avenue real close to an existing business and close to your traffic light.

[3:56:51] Apparently you guys are okay with that?

[3:56:53] We are, we being that acceptable and acceptable, we can care what the study.

[3:56:59] There will be some folks using that to drop back on the ramletons in the go south on

[3:57:04] 2021 towards Benton Mountain.

[3:57:06] In general, we do have some access management requirements that they're supposed to follow,

[3:57:11] but within this situation, the pressure that it relieved off of the full access off of

[3:57:23] this and allow it to stay where it is.

[3:57:27] The other intersections, while I understand,

[3:57:30] they likely do have operational issues during the peak hours.

[3:57:34] If that development were constructed today,

[3:57:36] likely wouldn't get anything more than the right

[3:57:38] in right out similar to what the grocery store is proposing.

[3:57:44] So the neighborhood is just west,

[3:57:47] Brownington Commons, very familiar with that area.

[3:57:49] to that complex. I've been in and out of it myself personally. I always go right and never go

[3:57:57] left because I don't want to wait there for 20 minutes. So I'll fill their pain. I'm just wondering,

[3:58:08] I'll ask the petitioner of that about that access out with being so close to right there.

[3:58:15] But there

[3:58:22] was a question about, well, you're not going to have anything to do with the police report.

[3:58:27] That's another question.

[3:58:30] That's all I have.

[3:58:31] Any other questions, Mr. Blubbins?

[3:58:34] A couple.

[3:58:38] One of the speakers talked about, from Bramulton Commons,

[3:58:43] talked about the difficulties of exiting Brambleton Commons, and then the impacts of the right

[3:58:51] turnout from the proposed development, and a concern that have been expressed with the right

[3:58:59] turn on red from the existing intersection.

[3:59:04] Do you, too, the possible substantial increase in traffic if this development were,

[3:59:15] would

[3:59:15] veto perhaps go back and look at not allowing right turn on red, or would you think

[3:59:25] that that would cause more problems in terms of stacking, coming out of what I would call

[3:59:31] the main entrance and exit for the proposed development?

[3:59:35] You follow where I'm going.

[3:59:38] I would have to lean a little bit on the traffic engineer for the developer to see what they would

[3:59:43] think for sure, but I can tell you that right turn on reds reduce cues throughout the cycle

[3:59:49] of the signal.

[3:59:51] If you were to stop all of the traffic there and not allow that right turn on red, especially

[3:59:55] if you have plantable sight distance and no other reason to stop it, you know, because

[4:00:00] Generally, that's the only reason why we would not allow right turn on red is because of the site distance issue, which you don't have there.

[4:00:07] It would likely cause the signal to go, like, cause at least that leg to go into operational issue of AF or worse.

[4:00:16] And I don't think it would operate exceptably, and likely the right turnling would not function the way they anticipate in their study.

[4:00:23] And if you put all the traffic from the development to go right out there only, it definitely

[4:00:30] wouldn't work.

[4:00:31] You know, because right now they have the option to go right out on Bramontiner right

[4:00:34] out there, if you were to stop it, it would queue back.

[4:00:38] I'm almost positive during the peak hours.

[4:00:41] The second question, feelings that the stacking were a five on colonial and a

[4:00:47] crossing over Brambleton, and then I want to make a left turn into the project.

[4:00:53] And we were talking about a 75-foot distance, stacking lane.

[4:01:01] How many cars can I put in 75 feet?

[4:01:05] In general, at least as far as engineers look at it, we think about 25 feet per car, cars not

[4:01:10] 25 feet long, but you have to think about buffer distances, and shot, shot distances, and a lot

[4:01:16] folks like to get extra space, so they can look at their cell phone and their stuff.

[4:01:22] But it's about three to four cars, plus as they stated, it is a back-to-back

[4:01:26] termling with the left-termling from Old Case Ringling to Northbound on to 21.

[4:01:31] So again, if there was, if there happened to be some reason why they couldn't get out,

[4:01:36] why they couldn't make that left-turn across, they could stack further into that left-termling,

[4:01:42] which it does get some traffic there.

[4:01:44] But most of the time, if they're going to do the intersex need to want to go straight, or they

[4:01:47] want to go south, most of the folks that would not go left there unless they're going to

[4:01:53] the Crowger or the Four Nineteen, which means that they did the cut through for no reason.

[4:01:58] Final question, if I'm at the development and I'm exiting on okay spring,

[4:02:06] I'm going to

[4:02:06] make a left turn there.

[4:02:08] I would think that that would be fairly dangerous because I have all the traffic coming

[4:02:14] towards Brambleton, and I've all this other traffic

[4:02:17] queuing up to make a left turn in.

[4:02:21] Would you see a realistic option of making a left turn there

[4:02:26] because there's one of the speakers said,

[4:02:29] if I'm making a right turn out only on the Brambleton,

[4:02:33] at some point in time, I'm going to go

[4:02:34] with short distance sound Brambleton and do a U-turn,

[4:02:37] which is probably just as dangerous.

[4:02:40] It almost seems like if

[4:02:46] I live further back in Windsor Hills, I'd be making a left turn

[4:02:49] out of that development, I'm not going to be making a right turn out on the Brambleton,

[4:02:54] and I'm going to be going out on those case-grain laying.

[4:02:57] I just question whether that is a realistic opportunity.

[4:03:03] It will be just as much as anything else.

[4:03:05] I mean, I think you'd have a better distance here that's from where this entrance exists

[4:03:10] than from where the credit rate prints exist on colonial.

[4:03:13] And it's pretty short.

[4:03:14] You've got four or five lanes you have to cross.

[4:03:17] In this situation, you're probably only going to have two.

[4:03:19] Plus, you're looking up great.

[4:03:21] Instead of downgrade, you should be able to see cars

[4:03:24] making turning movements in there

[4:03:25] to anticipate what they're doing.

[4:03:27] If a large enough vehicle of bus

[4:03:29] or a truck, you could have limited instances where sight

[4:03:32] distance could be blocked.

[4:03:33] In which case, they really should wait until they can see

[4:03:36] or make a right turn out and go back to four or 19

[4:03:39] and go around the other one.

[4:03:40] It's a good example because I've made the left turn coming out

[4:03:43] of Croger back on the colonial bone, the other way.

[4:03:46] It's very exciting.

[4:03:49] That's a well-known intersection, yes sir.

[4:03:51] Well, thank you, Mr. North.

[4:03:53] Two questions for you.

[4:03:54] One unrelated to the transportation issue.

[4:03:57] But the first one, the transportation issue, I heard about all this tack,

[4:04:02] and we've got some stack of issues over the island of District.

[4:04:04] I'm not going to get into them.

[4:04:05] You know exactly what I'm talking about.

[4:04:08] Yes.

[4:04:08] And now that that's property is in Mr. Peters' side of the road,

[4:04:11] he's only looking at the few phone calls in the future.

[4:04:14] So I got a red press to see.

[4:04:15] Bring him away, bring him away.

[4:04:16] And he says, bring it all in, and those people already

[4:04:19] really enchanted by the experience of putting that in,

[4:04:23] but still is a problem.

[4:04:25] Never going to go away.

[4:04:27] That's my story on that.

[4:04:29] The second question I'm related to transportation is,

[4:04:32] would be not owned this property.

[4:04:35] Then you'll ever have anybody approaching them

[4:04:37] behind the property. I'm sure, yeah, I believe we did. Yeah, it occasionally comes up.

[4:04:44] Okay, thank you. All I have.

[4:04:48] Any further questions? Yeah, I have a question for the

[4:04:51] petitioner.

[4:04:56] You're going to be full.

[4:05:07] Yeah, so I appreciate the Department to place someone in association coming up and

[4:05:14] making their oral comments and written comments.

[4:05:19] Part four, did they send you any of their comments?

[4:05:24] We did receive a letter from the HLA,

[4:05:28] from the planning department.

[4:05:31] So they listed the gosh.

[4:05:34] Let's see, six, ten recommendations.

[4:05:41] Looks like you did a couple of them.

[4:05:45] from that recommendation, but it's like it's a big more expanded list.

[4:05:50] I'm not going to go through all of them, but you went from one meeting, you went to a

[4:05:58] 30-foot buffer to a 40-foot buffer, so I mean that's quite a bit more shrubbery or trees

[4:06:08] So whatever that you're putting in there, correct?

[4:06:11] Sorry.

[4:06:14] And the fence, I'd ask you early about the material.

[4:06:18] And I figured I heard a couple of speakers say they prefer wood, because the vinyl

[4:06:22] is going to look like not to attractive.

[4:06:26] Wood will look pretty good.

[4:06:29] I know it has a little more higher maintenance on it.

[4:06:32] I'm not asking you to offer that, but I'm just un-suggesting that might be something.

[4:06:37] At eight to eight, it's more than likely it will be with file fences, get a little flimsy at eight feet.

[4:06:46] Talk about lighting.

[4:06:47] I'm certain I haven't talked about lighting.

[4:06:49] Mr. Northboard up lighting.

[4:06:53] I'm in development myself.

[4:06:55] So, and I want to cut off shield is.

[4:06:58] But you're at a higher elevation than the Farmington people.

[4:07:02] So, you might have it cut down.

[4:07:04] But they're below, they can see under that shield, so you've got to do an extended shield if so they don't they don't get that glare

[4:07:13] fact from it because you're up here and they're there down there

[4:07:23] Recommendation of turning lights off at night, you know, I'm sure you guys want to conserve energy

[4:07:30] And I don't know what your tenant, what the tenant's protocol is for turning off. I mean, if they had 50 lights, would they turn off 25 lights? Do you have any experience with that?

[4:07:46] Some sinners do that. A lot will keep them on if the tenant is an issue of public safety overnight.

[4:07:51] Okay. You don't want to make it a convenient spot to avoid.

[4:07:54] Okay. All right.

[4:08:00] The storm water management facility is the engineer detail that any on the concept plan

[4:08:08] is that a bug ground is just a ditch, is it underground?

[4:08:12] There's no detail for the concept plan, but our preliminary studies are leading us to an underground

[4:08:17] facility.

[4:08:18] That's from a great standpoint.

[4:08:20] To get them all in.

[4:08:34] There was a mention quite a few times about the adjoining neighbor to the west of Europe

[4:08:42] of that property called Bramilton Commons.

[4:08:47] How would the tenant fill if we only had an entrance in and out an exit door now of that

[4:08:54] impact?

[4:08:55] I don't think our traffic would function without that right out.

[4:08:59] They wouldn't cut too much pressure on the intersection they'd okay to bring.

[4:09:11] That's how I want to have Mr. Chairman.

[4:09:14] Thank you.

[4:09:15] Any other questions for the applicant?

[4:09:18] Thank you.

[4:09:23] What's the pleasure of the board?

[4:09:24] Discussion, debate, motion?

[4:09:30] Well, it's in my district, so I'll start off.

[4:09:35] I want to kind of relate a story,

[4:09:42] and I'm so grateful for all the residents coming out here.

[4:09:46] And given us their information, I do want to try to alleviate some fears.

[4:09:53] So in the early 90s, my wife and I moved back to Rhonuk, and we moved on Colonial Avenue

[4:10:04] right behind the Mechermack.

[4:10:07] And while we were living there, Eris Keeter petitioned to get a special use permit, get there.

[4:10:14] So I, along with all my neighbors that were behind that vacant building, went through the

[4:10:23] same rezoning planning commission process that all of you have, you've been telling me.

[4:10:31] And we, we said the same things.

[4:10:34] We talked about the same items about traffic backing up to where we live and all our

[4:10:41] driveways that back up off of the colonial avenue.

[4:10:47] Yeah, we had a little more traffic, but they improved the intersection for us, and we

[4:10:53] were able to get, I mean, we were able to turn out of our driveways left to right.

[4:10:58] They also improved colonial avenue because it had a hill that we had to maneuver going over

[4:11:05] to that roundabout.

[4:11:06] So, traffic seemed to work itself out in that scenario.

[4:11:13] After the approval of the Harris Teter in the O'Mickermack,

[4:11:21] my family got large and the house got too small,

[4:11:25] and we stole the house about three years after that.

[4:11:28] We didn't lose any value.

[4:11:29] There was no drop in valuation in the real estate.

[4:11:33] So I don't think that's going to hurt the devaluation.

[4:11:37] I have residents up in the mountain that have a pipeline going through their properties

[4:11:43] and they're still selling their houses.

[4:11:46] So across America and our nation, we have homes, residents,

[4:11:53] residential areas that back up to grocery stores,

[4:11:57] my own children live in Austin, Texas, and Denver.

[4:12:03] And both of them are very close to us.

[4:12:07] Their houses weren't backed up to it.

[4:12:09] But several times when I was able to walk from their house

[4:12:13] to those grocery stores, that was sort of convenient.

[4:12:16] And I know Austin, Texas, and Denver, Colorado,

[4:12:20] we're talking cities, and that's urban living.

[4:12:23] But it was available and it had to hurt the value of those homes.

[4:12:27] I thought my kids paid too much for those homes where they were, but that's their dad speaking.

[4:12:35] So, you know, I cannot alleviate these fears and concerns about traffic.

[4:12:43] We have that with all the resumes that we go through.

[4:12:47] It comes up and I don't know what we can do through

[4:12:53] The development review process, but I would hope that we can look at that and get some data

[4:13:00] or get some information as we go through that process.

[4:13:06] With that said, Mr. Chairman, I'm very excited to have some comments.

[4:13:12] Yeah, I'm sorry.

[4:13:14] Mr. North?

[4:13:15] Thank you.

[4:13:16] Well, I live in the house district today.

[4:13:19] I've lived over against Southwest County,

[4:13:21] a book about the road.

[4:13:24] I lived in two houses there.

[4:13:27] Many years ago, when I was a much younger fellow,

[4:13:31] used to drive that road.

[4:13:32] When I had an RXM sports car, really loved going around face frame.

[4:13:36] That's always tight on that road.

[4:13:39] Unlike maybe a truck like Mr. Bradford drives today.

[4:13:42] But, you know, I've saw some accidents at the end of both intersections.

[4:13:48] And that was back in 1983, actually, 1983, to about 93.

[4:13:59] Then it's the same real estate that location, location, and there's a lot of truth

[4:14:05] of that.

[4:14:09] I'm usually very supportive of these type of applicants, because I know that the revenue

[4:14:15] generated from the taxes of the land, coupled with the sales revenue taxes, generates revenues

[4:14:22] so that we can provide and continue to provide services that are second to none and

[4:14:27] road-out county compared to other parts of the state.

[4:14:31] However, in my personal opinion, from listening to everyone today, this is just two in

[4:14:37] since of a area for this surrounding residential community, as well as a

[4:14:45] roadway infrastructure.

[4:14:47] I think we're trying to put something there that's complex, challenging, and

[4:14:52] it's going to create a lot of complaints from citizens in the future, our

[4:14:58] department's going to get many.

[4:15:00] I have to take a lot of time to address them over and over again. I think though that we have other better county locations and our economic development people are here. I would like to the applicant to consider those other locations for this grocery store. I also believe that it's in a tense area with a lot of commercial grocery stores already.

[4:15:26] There has been others in the Roanoke County area in the city that did make it very long.

[4:15:33] After they put thousands of millions of dollars into their site improvements and now they're closed.

[4:15:40] So I would like to see more housing on this development.

[4:15:44] And I believe that this community in the county at large has a growing need for more starter homes for young people,

[4:15:52] but also for retirees and people in one of downsides to patio homes, they're in high demand

[4:16:00] all over the county and all areas.

[4:16:03] So put simply for these reasons, I probably cannot support this project.

[4:16:14] Thank you, sir.

[4:16:14] Hooker.

[4:16:15] I just have a few comments and I too really wanted to support this project, but after hearing

[4:16:25] to the citizens make a difference.

[4:16:27] And I appreciate you coming tonight and even at the late hour, hangin with us while we really,

[4:16:35] we really process all this information and try to make the right decisions because it's tough.

[4:16:43] It's a tough process.

[4:16:45] But I'm concerned about rampal components.

[4:16:47] I'm concerned about the small businesses where, you know, we're potentially sacrificing one area for another, and I don't like that.

[4:17:00] I really, I struggle with that. And there was a comment about we don't need another grocery store,

[4:17:07] and I don't understand what you're saying because there are several in that area, competitions always good.

[4:17:13] I would say that right there in between, you know, with 0.3 miles in between all of them

[4:17:18] might be a little close for all of them, but competition is a good thing.

[4:17:24] My third comment was, Ms. Davis, I thought your commentary as others mentioned it too

[4:17:30] about old case-bring road and case-bring lane, I think you were right on with some of that

[4:17:35] commentary.

[4:17:36] It has impacted this whether or not it's, you know, on paper, supposed to be impacting

[4:17:42] and I believe that it truly is the right in and the right out on Brambleton for this new

[4:17:50] development potentially I think is just difficult at best and for the amount of money that

[4:17:56] would be invested into this property and to we want it to be the right thing we want it to be

[4:18:02] the right thing with the right infrastructure is what we're as what we're really looking for I believe.

[4:18:09] I don't think that the residents would drop in value.

[4:18:14] I don't think that the homes would drop in value.

[4:18:16] I really don't have seen too many times where I was concerned about these kinds of situations.

[4:18:23] And we haven't seen it.

[4:18:24] But that being said, I'm on this bend right now, where we have got to be protecting our one.

[4:18:32] We have got to be protecting it.

[4:18:33] We have too much encouragement, too much coming in on them.

[4:18:40] And so I will not be supporting the petition.

[4:18:44] Thank you.

[4:18:50] Let me make a couple comments.

[4:18:51] Comment number one is, I try to follow what we have,

[4:18:57] what we as a county have adopted in our comprehensive plan

[4:19:01] in terms of neighborhood conservation and transition.

[4:19:06] Again, that is a guide, it's not an ordinance, it's not a mandated requirement, but I try to follow that a lot.

[4:19:13] My concern about this site is it's a very challenging site.

[4:19:18] But what we have left in Rono County are only challenging sites.

[4:19:24] All of the easy sites have been developed.

[4:19:26] We are not like Roanoke City where we have a central business or industrial or commercial

[4:19:32] core.

[4:19:34] I use the example of Roanoke County's development or like wagon wheels, and if you think

[4:19:40] of the spokes on the wagon wheel, the spokes are our primary highways, whether they are

[4:19:47] for 60, for 60 West, for 60 East,

[4:19:51] whether they're for 19,

[4:19:53] whether they're up 24,

[4:19:55] our development runs along those primary roads.

[4:20:00] And so we have commercial and industrial development

[4:20:03] along those primary roads,

[4:20:05] but you go one block off that primary road,

[4:20:08] and we have residential neighborhoods.

[4:20:11] And so every time we have a commercial development,

[4:20:13] that commercial development could have an impact on their residential development.

[4:20:21] In my mind, if we can't put a major commercial development on a four-lane divided

[4:20:29] highway where we have a traffic signal, we can't put commercial development any place in

[4:20:35] We're not talking about putting a large commercial development back off, you know, in a rural

[4:20:42] farming area where you don't have access to the road.

[4:20:47] This is a four lane divided highway.

[4:20:49] That's what Brambleton is.

[4:20:51] Yes.

[4:20:52] We have residential neighborhoods to block off.

[4:20:55] And I understand that.

[4:20:56] But I think that's true of almost every one of our developments throughout the county.

[4:21:03] I understand the argument of, do we need a grocery store, assuming this is public, I don't know if it's public or not, I've heard the rumors also.

[4:21:15] I'm not here to discriminate between publics and croaker, or Harris Teter, or Food Lion.

[4:21:26] If you look at our rezoneings in Rono County over the last couple years, we have been

[4:21:32] inundated with car washes up and down for 19.

[4:21:37] We must have the cleanest cars in the whole world.

[4:21:40] We've got so many car washes here.

[4:21:41] I can't deny a rezoning for a car wash.

[4:21:46] If some fool wants to build another car wash and lose his investment,

[4:21:50] that's his problem, not mine.

[4:21:53] Likewise with many warehouses.

[4:21:56] We've got many warehouses everywhere.

[4:21:59] So, if another grocery store wants to come in, I wish him luck.

[4:22:05] You crops went down the tubes.

[4:22:07] Harris Teeter got bought out.

[4:22:09] That's competition.

[4:22:10] That's capitalism. That's the free market. That's what we live by. That's what we claim we live by. I'm okay with that.

[4:22:20] I like what Mr. Scaff and the other members of the Homeowner's Association put together for

[4:22:30] It was excellent. And I think, as Mr. Radford point out, some, not all, some of the requests, have been addressed.

[4:22:42] Whether it's lighting, whether it's buffer, whether it's opaque fencing, whether it's hours of operation.

[4:22:48] I think the applicant has attempted to address many of those concerns.

[4:22:57] I'm comfortable, if there is a motion to approve, I'm comfortable supporting it.

[4:23:02] I don't know if there is a motion to approve, we'll be that up to Mr. Bradford.

[4:23:10] But my final concern is, we the Board of Supervisors have some responsibility in this.

[4:23:19] We decided a couple of years ago to acquire the property from Vita.

[4:23:24] We knew what that site was like, and we did it intentionally because we hoped, or assumed,

[4:23:33] or thought, that there would be some kind of new commercial development, whatever it was.

[4:23:40] And if we decide not to go forward, then we never should have made the decision whatever it was.

[4:23:47] Two years ago, when we bought the property, if there's a mistake, then it was the mistake that this board made when we initially acquired the property from the Commonwealth of Virginia.

[4:24:02] And last, there were improvements made.

[4:24:04] That's for.

[4:24:06] Anyway, that's.

[4:24:08] I'll shut up.

[4:24:11] I would like to make one comment if I made Mr. Chairman.

[4:24:14] I've listened to the mother board members, and I guess I have to err on the side of what you just said.

[4:24:21] We've seen this all across the county, Mr. North, I'll listen to the comments about West Roach in it for 60.

[4:24:29] But I also see the side of it that the improvements to those intersections would have never taken place.

[4:24:34] And the improvements we're seeing today would not have taken place if those developments had not.

[4:24:44] I wonder the same question here.

[4:24:47] We've heard about the intersection.

[4:24:49] All the problems are there.

[4:24:52] Well, once that is developed and you're right,

[4:24:54] we did this land swap or whatever we did through the EDA

[4:24:58] in hopes that commercial development would take place there.

[4:25:04] My thought process is it will help that intersection

[4:25:07] because it will force us to make improvements there

[4:25:10] as we have in many other intersections, all across the county.

[4:25:17] So, well, and if we go back and look at history,

[4:25:22] the 1985 rezoning for Finney Finney construction

[4:25:25] to build 27 townhouses.

[4:25:31] That was 1985.

[4:25:33] And for whatever reason, the market never supported that.

[4:25:38] And that has been 37 years and

[4:25:47] I have to say this politically correct.

[4:25:51] Mr. Finney did not build high-end risk-financial developments.

[4:25:56] He built low-to-moderant entry-level development and for whatever reason Fred Finney was

[4:26:03] never able to build those downhouses at that site.

[4:26:06] Why?

[4:26:06] And

[4:26:11] this one last time, if the answer is to be the state that never has been an improvement

[4:26:19] one, and doesn't plan to be any less fluid from road, period.

[4:26:24] There's a beat-off study for the fourth beat-off.

[4:26:26] Four, sixty stuff in the world.

[4:26:27] That don't have a thing to do with less fluid from road.

[4:26:31] It has to do with, for seizing the fluid and the fourth things.

[4:26:34] Right moving just to point that out there.

[4:26:37] And this situation in my mind, limits itself to the same circumstances, some five or

[4:26:43] seven years later down the road.

[4:26:45] Well, we'll have that debate though every zoning comes and it is coming next year, I

[4:26:50] know.

[4:26:54] Mr. Bradford, what's the pleasure of, what's the pleasure of the board?

[4:26:59] Well, I thank y'all for all your comments and it looks like we're going to have a split

[4:27:05] vote.

[4:27:08] So we'll see what happens. I find that the proposed Resonary request, while not consistent

[4:27:16] with the transition or neighborhood conservation, future land use designation, it is in

[4:27:23] performance with the C2 zone properties along the old case spring road and along the corridor

[4:27:28] or Brains and Avenue. It's good zoning practice. I don't think it will result in substantial

[4:27:36] detrimental to the community. We've kind of talked about the Farmington community.

[4:27:46] Out there for, move that we approve the rezoning request, as it has been requested,

[4:27:51] removing any existing conditions on each of the 11 parcels, which make up the subject property of the rezoning,

[4:27:58] the subject of following proper conditions, one. The site shall be developed in substantial

[4:28:04] performance with the concept plan prepared by Lumston Associates Associates, dated August 30,

[4:28:11] 22, 22, and revised November 30, 22 subject to any changes required during the comprehensive

[4:28:18] site plan review process.

[4:28:21] The number two hours off operation shall be no earlier than 6 a.m. and no later than 12 a.m.

[4:28:29] each day.

[4:28:33] We have motion to improve the ordinance.

[4:28:35] Do we have a second?

[4:28:35] Mr. Peters, most of the second.

[4:28:39] Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

[4:28:41] Mr. Peters?

[4:28:42] Yes.

[4:28:43] Mrs. Hooker?

[4:28:44] No. Mr. North?

[4:28:46] No.

[4:28:46] Mr. Radford?

[4:28:48] Yes. Mr. Mahoney?

[4:28:49] Yes.

[4:28:50] Thank you.

[4:28:57] Next item on our agenda.

[4:28:58] Citizen comments and communications.

[4:29:00] I have none.

[4:29:02] Next item on the agenda is reports and inquiry support members.

[4:29:07] Mr. Radford is up first.

[4:29:16] Thank you, Mr. Scott.

[4:29:20] Good evening,

[4:29:50] again Mr. Chairman and members of the board.

[4:29:53] Because two thirds of the grocery store land is zone residential, two thirds of

[4:29:58] This land has a future land used to...

[4:30:00] Resignation of transition, and one-third residential conservation, both designation's residential, making the grocery store inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the county's adopted comprehensive plan.

[4:30:13] Three of the surrounding properties are zone residential, four residents, both their homes assuming the county would honor the zoning and future land use designations.

[4:30:22] And five, and grocery store, rural consultants of substantial

[4:30:25] decrement to the community, including perpetual noise,

[4:30:29] nighttime light, traffic congestion, and endangerment,

[4:30:33] reducing quality of life, and causing property values

[4:30:36] to decline.

[4:30:38] Therefore, rezoning is tantamount to a taking that is

[4:30:41] confiscation of real value by the Ronald County

[4:30:44] government.

[4:30:45] Accordingly, I respectfully propose that the board

[4:30:47] moved to reduce my half the real estate evaluation

[4:30:51] that is assessment or taxable value of housing and buildings located in farming and

[4:30:57] place, Kingston, court, and in the vicinity of long-cashling lane and old-cashling road,

[4:31:03] the Jeff Moronic property, and localities beyond that, that will be detrimental

[4:31:07] affected by the grocery store.

[4:31:10] Freeze these taxable values for as long as the grocery store is an operation and the

[4:31:14] land on which it is located to zone C2, and three places are charged on the grocery

[4:31:19] stores tax bill to compensate for this loss of revenue to the county equal to the revenue

[4:31:24] loss.

[4:31:25] Thank you.

[4:31:28] All right.

[4:31:29] Item Ann and our agenda reports and inquiries, the board members, the first speaker, the first

[4:31:35] board members, up is Mr. Raffer, health comments, Mr. Peters.

[4:31:42] Just a couple, first one I would remember to invite everyone to the Illinois Senate.

[4:31:48] I know we went out there a few weeks ago, it was a great time.

[4:31:57] I had something else.

[4:32:00] You know, whatever that was, moveable.

[4:32:03] The last thing I'd like to tell everybody about, everybody has a great Christmas.

[4:32:06] I want to thank our board for a great year.

[4:32:09] I want to thank you for my honey for a great year.

[4:32:13] You did a great job hurting the cats.

[4:32:15] I want to thank staff for everything they do for us.

[4:32:18] all the employees of our county, what they do to keep us moving daily, and the citizens

[4:32:24] for allowing us to stop, thank you, Mr. Tucker.

[4:32:28] Real quickly.

[4:32:29] I've got a couple of items.

[4:32:30] I really appreciate it to visit that we were able to have delegate Joe McNamara, Mr.

[4:32:36] Brent Hudson, Dr. Ken Nicely, Chairman Homehoney, and I were able to visit Glencove Elementary

[4:32:42] School recently, and I want to thank them for arranging this tour.

[4:32:47] I've toured it many times before, but it's always good to go and be reminded of the needs there and that certainly happened.

[4:32:55] Number two, I'm pleased with the work this board has done and with the memorandum of understanding that was discussed and voted on today in coming up with a solution for the school board's priority of the CTE Center.

[4:33:11] We were able to stay inside our current tax base with this funding plan and that's very important.

[4:33:19] I'm especially pleased that we're able to think outside the box and put together a package that helps mitigate the concerns of the elementary schools.

[4:33:28] Number three, our volunteer fire department.

[4:33:30] I just want to say thank you to them. They've been driving around a lot of neighborhoods recently with Santa and the kids of all ages have been enjoying that.

[4:33:39] I also enjoyed our illuminates visit and plan to go back again with a different set of

[4:33:46] grandkids and it's just a great thing that our county is providing.

[4:33:52] And then the last thing is you all have more champions and bring in a number of high school

[4:33:57] volleyball team, state champions, I've already talked to them and we're making arrangements

[4:34:03] for them to come and be congratulated.

[4:34:05] You have not met our maximum.

[4:34:07] You have exceeded.

[4:34:08] No, we have not.

[4:34:10] Good.

[4:34:10] Thank you very much.

[4:34:11] Mr. Chairman.

[4:34:12] Mr. Norr.

[4:34:14] See what we've started.

[4:34:18] No, it's a good thing.

[4:34:20] There's this very successful.

[4:34:23] There's a good thing.

[4:34:24] Tend it to Virginia County's conference with several other board members in November 13th

[4:34:29] through the 50.

[4:34:30] Also served as a moderator of the Transportation Forum with Virginia

[4:34:35] Secretary of Transportation, Chef Miller, the panel discussed in a variety of topics such

[4:34:40] as smart-scale airport federal and state funding and rural runs improvements.

[4:34:46] So, November the 17th attended the Regional Partnership Investor Update, the town has been

[4:34:51] the best year since the 2017, regarding $234 million of the economic impact as business

[4:34:58] attraction has been higher than pre-pandemic.

[4:35:02] Just this year alone, we've had 234 economic

[4:35:04] conquiries in the region, and remote workers have

[4:35:07] decreased 9% in large part.

[4:35:11] She's we have increased 9% in large part because workers

[4:35:14] are moving here from Georgia, Virginia, D.C.

[4:35:16] and the Maryland area, relocating to our region.

[4:35:20] Meanwhile, we've been named in the top 24

[4:35:22] mountain towns in the United States, something to be very proud of.

[4:35:26] Also, November 21st, I chaired the Ronald Valley Alligating Regional Commission Legislative

[4:35:32] agenda for 2023 general assembly representatives in our area.

[4:35:37] Among the many items we shared in our priorities was an airport expansion, delegate

[4:35:42] Austin, who chaired the Transportation Committee in the House and delegates, and serves

[4:35:47] as the Vice Chair of the Appropriations Committee, has had discussions with the governor

[4:35:51] and is asked for a 10-year strategic benefit analysis for the airport expansion for Governor

[4:35:58] Yunkins' review and support.

[4:36:00] The governor stopped after visiting this area and was waiting back and asked for that

[4:36:04] request when meeting one-on-one with delegate Austin.

[4:36:07] So far as I know the Rona Valley Alligator Regional Commission is working with other entities

[4:36:12] here in the valley to put that together.

[4:36:15] On December 6th, we spoke to the CTV enrichment at Vita headquarters on the I-8 and one widening

[4:36:22] project between X and 137 and 128.

[4:36:25] This is supported by the Secretary of Transportation, both this area and the I-64 expansion.

[4:36:32] The project resolution passed 15 to O and one abstention for spark scale V9 application

[4:36:38] estimated spark scale cost is around $300 million.

[4:36:43] This was the first project on the unfunded list of about six projects

[4:36:46] that were unable to be funded in 20, 20, 20, and the reasonable

[4:36:50] I-81 plan.

[4:36:53] And I will tell you this.

[4:36:54] This was a total team effort.

[4:36:56] And the doctor smoothed.

[4:36:59] Delegate Alston.

[4:37:00] The V-Doc folks here in King.

[4:37:03] Brian Blavins.

[4:37:05] All the regional governments that are putting together

[4:37:08] resolutions of support, so the application can be bolstered from everyone in this area.

[4:37:14] This was a great accomplishment, and I hope that it doesn't have any bumps in the road,

[4:37:18] part of the pun, as it goes forward, to improve safety and fluidity in a long I-81.

[4:37:24] Interesting enough, the reason this project can't be pursued, is it's going to take the south path.

[4:37:30] I'm going to take the northbound funding and use that to leverage the southbound widening, which is using lighting wisely to get things not. That's all I have, Mr. Chair.

[4:37:40] Thank you.

[4:37:41] Several things.

[4:37:45] I think we, supervisor, north, did you mention the legislative breakfast we had on November 30th?

[4:37:52] I did not.

[4:37:53] We had a legislative breakfast that was put on by the Salem Rono Chamber of Commerce, also the realtors in the home

[4:38:01] bringing those private groups together, but we also had Secretary Slater here, who was talking

[4:38:07] about workforce development, but I think all of us believe, meshes in with workforce

[4:38:13] development through the career and technical education facility in Rona County.

[4:38:17] I think that was important, and it was great to be meeting Attorney General Mayaris here.

[4:38:22] On November 18th, I was invited to attend a meeting that Rabbi Kathy Cohen, the Temple of Mania, was putting together.

[4:38:35] She's concerned about the increase in anti-Semitism and prejudice and hate crimes going on around the country.

[4:38:43] And she wanted to put together a community group to try to anticipate and proactively address those issues.

[4:38:51] And so I'll be looking forward to attending some of those meetings with her members of

[4:38:57] Toronto City Council, where there are other members of the local community, where there.

[4:39:02] And I think I give a lot of credit to Rabbi Cohen beginning that initiative and that I'll

[4:39:09] try to represent the county wells in those endeavors.

[4:39:15] I read in the Toronto Times the other day about how the City of Toronto is part of their

[4:39:21] legislative program, I thought took a fairly courageous action to try to rescind some of the

[4:39:30] criminal justice legislation that had been adopted in the previous General Assembly.

[4:39:38] And it came in late today, but Chief Hall, before he retires, it gets out of town.

[4:39:45] Chief Hall was asking that we might include that as part of our legislative program.

[4:39:50] So I'd like to find out from the board, is that would we want to support what

[4:39:56] Bruno of City was supporting?

[4:39:58] Would we want to tell Felden to do that?

[4:40:01] Yes.

[4:40:02] I'm planning on having lunch with Mayor Lee sometime this week to try to talk about

[4:40:08] different areas where Bruno County and Bruno of City can cooperate together.

[4:40:12] And I'd like to tell him that we would like to add that to our legislative

[4:40:16] program.

[4:40:20] I want to echo what Supervisor Peter said, folks, you got to go to illuminates, it is fantastic.

[4:40:29] We're running out of time, it ends fairly quickly.

[4:40:34] My family enjoyed it.

[4:40:35] We are going to go out again with all sorts of grandchildren, and so it is just a wonderful

[4:40:41] the whole event and then it has worked out so great with our partnership with Center in

[4:40:47] the Square with respect to the Illuminati event that explore part.

[4:40:53] Finally, happy holidays, everybody.

[4:40:56] Be safe.

[4:40:58] Hope everybody has a happy and joyous holiday season.

[4:41:01] And with that.

[4:41:02] Mr. Chair, one comment for you.

[4:41:05] I'd like to see a resolution for these items you mentioned in January, but you can

[4:41:11] now and then I don't see anything wrong with you running a letter since the board seems to be in agreement

[4:41:17] of support and get that out to all our local legislators before they go off to Richmond.

[4:41:22] I know they would appreciate getting that a little early.

[4:41:24] We can follow up with the resolution later of course, but I have no objections.

[4:41:28] I don't think anyone else in the board would have been able to do a running a letter of support.

[4:41:31] Thank you.

[4:41:33] With that, we're adjourned and now we're in this.

[4:41:38] No, you are.

[4:41:42] No, no, no, no, no.

[4:41:44] Let me see. Let me see. Let's see if how hard it is.

[4:41:48] Let's see if we can.

[4:41:49] Am I rich?

[4:41:52] Sirius Form of Skin Cancer, Dr. Paul Burton, chief medical officer of Moderna, said the results,

[4:41:59] what promising?

[4:42:00] It's the first randomized trial, testing an mRNA therapeutic

[4:42:05] in cancer patients, it's shown a 44% reduction in the risk of dying a cancer or having

[4:42:12] your cancer progressed. That's an important finding, and I think it has the potential

[4:42:17] to be a new paradigm.

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