[0:08] All right, I'd like to call to order the Rockville Planning Commission regular meeting for August 11, 2026. Let's do a call to yes. Roll call. That's what I meant. Thank you. Roll call. Lady, I are here. Angie here. Linda here. Tim here. Jane here.

[0:29] Skylar here. Thank you very much. Would you all join me in the Pledge of Allegiance, please?

[0:41] I begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[0:56] Thank you very much, please be seated.

[1:00] All right, at this time, is there anybody who has signed up for public comment?

[1:05] No.

[1:06] Is there any written public comment?

[1:08] No.

[1:08] Oh, wow, that's easy.

[1:10] All right, then we'll move right on to item number four, discussion, review, and possible approval of a building permit for Sophia Opanis at 115 East Main Street, Sophia.

[1:20] If you would ask if you had any conflict of interest.

[1:25] Oh no.

[1:27] Thank you, Jane.

[1:29] Is there any conflict of interest with this issue or anything on the agenda tonight?

[1:34] I see all no.

[1:35] Thank you very much.

[1:36] All right.

[1:37] Thank you, Sophia, for being here.

[1:39] And thank you for submitting everything to us.

[1:41] Again, it was nice just as a report to the Planning Commission.

[1:45] Skyler Davis and I went to Sophia's house last month and discussed with her the options

[1:51] to bring her into compliance with our land use code. She has elected to remodel and connect

[1:58] building and move building and she's put everything before us. I went through it with

[2:06] this remodel and I found two things that I had question on and so I'll just start with

[2:11] those and then we'll go from there. Is that okay Sophie or did you want to say anything

[2:14] before I move forward. Okay. First, I think this is the longest legal description we've

[2:23] ever gotten from anybody in a building permit. So thank you very much. It was eight pages

[2:27] long, so it was awesome. What two things were missing, I did not see an owner signature

[2:33] of the fire suppression information from Rockville, Utah. And I did not see a written approval of

[2:39] building plans from the Hurricane Valley Fire Marshal. Now.

[2:43] There were no building plans to submit because it's a proposal.

[2:47] And that's what I was going to just about to bring up.

[2:49] So what's our goal is here is, and I agree with Sophia, she didn't want to move

[2:54] into an extraordinary amount of cost in the engineering and getting everything ready

[2:59] if the town, if it wasn't going to fit the land use code.

[3:05] So she has submitted everything with a great description.

[3:08] I loved her description of exactly what was going to move forward and based on what we

[3:13] discuss here and how we move forward, then she can then properly submit some other documentation

[3:19] that we might need.

[3:20] Any questions?

[3:26] And that will come into the building plans.

[3:29] So as of right now, the two things that I found that I didn't understand and I didn't see

[3:37] on the plans or on these plans is the additional concrete pad you'll need when you move your

[3:47] building, the nine feet. That wasn't drawn in, so you need to make sure that that is in,

[3:53] and that it falls into code for a building, just to make sure of that.

[3:58] As a foundation, not a pad?

[4:00] Yeah, well, our land use code defines it for the building to support the building.

[4:06] or if it's a manufactured home, it can be a pad, but it'll be up to Zach the

[4:13] inspector to tell us exactly what's required for that. That's one thing I did

[4:17] notice on your drawings. Other than that, I found everything else that I needed

[4:21] to find and felt that it's exactly what we discussed in the different options.

[4:28] By moving it, brings it into code with our setback and by adding the wall and the

[4:33] foundation to the wall that's attached to the main building that falls under our land use code as well.

[4:39] So, um, any questions?

[4:42] I'm, I'm just, I don't, I'm sorry, you, I don't even know what, where I miss.

[4:46] I've been under some medical distress in the last couple of weeks, so I've been a little bit out of it.

[4:51] So you're moving the entire cabin towards the house to the east, to the east, to bring it away from the side setback.

[4:58] Oh, the side setback, so that brings it into the setback there.

[5:02] Okay, and then connecting the house by a wall.

[5:05] Yeah, by a wall with the foundation underneath the wall.

[5:08] Okay.

[5:09] All right.

[5:10] This is the first time I've heard of that.

[5:12] I'll just, I'll just go.

[5:13] Is that okay?

[5:13] Of course.

[5:14] Angie, do you have any questions?

[5:16] We do, but I don't, it's not about what she put in.

[5:21] I just want to clarify.

[5:22] We are, so we are approving the wall and the connection.

[5:26] Is that correct?

[5:27] Yeah.

[5:27] Or the wall, the connection and the actual site.

[5:30] So is there the building, so there are contingencies upon that, and then, I guess that's my point, I don't know exactly.

[5:38] You're looking for those two things?

[5:40] Well, I'm looking for, so I feel like that what this building permit is saying is for

[5:49] the wall, for the connection so that it be considered part of the main building.

[5:54] But then we also are going to have, so you've approved together, or does somebody have to approve the building as it is, as it's built?

[6:05] Yes, so that will be in the engineering plans by the inspector.

[6:09] We're just basically, at this time, approving the fact that this can move forward in that it follows the land use code, it can move forward, and then we can get light.

[6:18] Okay, then the plan for the building and then the plan for like the relocation of the building.

[6:26] And then the IADU is all later, is that right?

[6:29] That's what I need to clarify.

[6:31] Yes, because the cabinet, when she moves, it has to be up to code everything.

[6:35] We're just approving, if she moves forward, or if she's able to.

[6:41] We're just saying that the plan that she's putting forward, this is what I want to do.

[6:44] Before I put forth a whole bunch of money, will this work?

[6:48] Does that make sense?

[6:49] Right.

[6:51] Linda, do you have any questions?

[6:52] Not really.

[6:53] You mentioned a couple of small things.

[6:55] And I know we get asked if there's an inspection down the road or in a little bit.

[6:59] But it looks good to me.

[7:01] Okay.

[7:02] Jane.

[7:02] It does not look good to me because, sorry.

[7:07] So, would you like to go sit down?

[7:10] All right.

[7:11] Jane.

[7:11] Because we ask for two things.

[7:13] Yep.

[7:13] Our definition asks for two things.

[7:15] a building connected by any of the two, a common wall, a continuous wall, a continuous

[7:21] foundation, or a continuous roof line. And it specifically says walls and other things

[7:28] open on at least two sides shall not constitute an attached building. I feel that the writers

[7:34] of this definition for attached building that she's trying hard to work through would

[7:42] would have said a wall with a footing is enough, but they said a wall and a roof line or

[7:50] a wall and a foundation, not the footing on a wall. Every wall has some sort of footing

[7:57] or otherwise it would be a fence, right? So every block wall has some sort of footing

[8:05] And to call the footing, the foundation, as our second aspect of the two of the following for building attached,

[8:14] I think is remiss in our interpretation of this.

[8:19] Can we read that so we can hear that?

[8:22] Because I'd like to just hear it word for word.

[8:24] Yeah, it's the definition in chapter two for building attached.

[8:28] Building attached, a building connecting any two of the following,

[8:32] A common wall, a continuous wall, a continuous foundation, or a continuous roof line.

[8:39] Walls or fences, patios, porches, terraces, or other roofed accessory uses open on at least two sides.

[8:48] She'll not constitute an attached building.

[8:51] No attached building shall be further than 30 feet from the main structure and

[8:56] she'll not be used as an additional residence.

[9:03] So my question to Tim when we were out there is building that wall, going to make it a common wall between the two buildings.

[9:12] Are you agreeing to that wall?

[9:14] Yes.

[9:14] So if tying in the footing to the foundation of the house and tying the footing into the foundation of the new building, that should suffice by the same definition as the wall.

[9:26] No, it, that's a footing for a law and not a continuous foundation.

[9:32] They would have said a law with a continuous footing is okay, but they didn't say that.

[9:39] In fact, they said, laws which this will be, a law that's open on at least two sides,

[9:47] will not constitute an attached building.

[9:49] It's quite clear there.

[9:51] It's, but it's saying at least two sides.

[9:53] Right. So one, two. That's at least two. She's going to have a wall between the little

[10:01] house and the big house, right? That's her plan. So that's just one wall. And I think

[10:08] that I, since every wall has a footing,

[10:13] they didn't mean that to mean a wall, the foundation

[10:16] of the wall, the footing of the wall would constitute a continuous foundation. So I think

[10:22] with a roof, a continuous roof line, this would work.

[10:26] So, what would be a foundation?

[10:30] All right. So, I went through the complete land use code.

[10:32] It's talking about how a specific definition for foundation.

[10:36] Now, what you're calling a footing, it does not say it has to be 10 feet wide.

[10:41] It does not say has to be 18 feet deep.

[10:43] It doesn't have to say anything about foundation.

[10:45] All it says is foundation, which is a base of a building in the land use,

[10:50] and not in the land use code, in the international.

[10:52] Absolutely, I agree with you.

[10:54] However, a foundation is called throughout her report,

[10:58] footing for the wall, and not a foundation,

[11:02] and not a continuous foundation.

[11:04] And it's very clear about the wall,

[11:07] I mean, wall or walls or fences, even if we wanted to accept

[11:14] that as a foundation.

[11:15] What's a foundation for the wall?

[11:17] It, even if we accept that foundation for the wall as her second, as her second point of the two of the four,

[11:27] walls or fences open on at least two sides shall not constitute an attached building.

[11:33] I think she needs a roof.

[11:35] Yeah, but it says shall not constitute open at least on two sides.

[11:41] Right. If it's open on at least two sides.

[11:43] that it does not it's not an attached building. So then this that's talk about open on at least two sides a wall open on two sides

[11:54] Does not and it's attached a building

[11:57] So where's the open part? Are we talking about like I'm yeah, that's a part I'm confused. So the wall is here wall wall

[12:06] It's gonna have free that it doesn't have it's not open on two sides. Yeah, that's what I'm not understanding

[12:13] It's a big U. Yes.

[12:16] I read this and interpret this to me.

[12:19] It's like I need a drive.

[12:20] A wall is a wall.

[12:23] This wall is not open on two sides.

[12:26] Because there's a roof.

[12:28] There's a floor.

[12:29] There's other walls around it.

[12:31] This wall is not open.

[12:33] But the wall between these houses,

[12:36] between our parking lot and the neighbor's house,

[12:39] That fence that's open on both sides

[12:43] Again, but if you look at the drawing the wall that she's going to build if this was it as a wall there and

[12:50] A wall there that's connecting it correct so that makes it

[12:52] Three sides. It's not open on two sides and it will have a foundation game

[12:58] They're doing again. This is where the land use code

[13:00] I mean I you you've said it a couple times in there that this is not what they meant

[13:04] This is not what I'm seeing but it's not clearly defined

[13:08] And that's why we're here, otherwise we need to be here.

[13:11] That's exactly right.

[13:13] Okay.

[13:13] Okay, go ahead.

[13:14] I was just going to say, the guy's going to come to pour more cement for where you're

[13:19] building.

[13:19] He's going to get moved.

[13:20] He's bringing cement.

[13:22] When he brings this cement, can you not add cement then that becomes a pathway next to the

[13:31] wall?

[13:33] I mean, nowhere does it say we have to have a roof and one other thing.

[13:37] It says there's three things. We need two out of three. So

[13:42] Would a path would a pathway be enough of a foundation connection for you?

[13:49] Well, we're saying anyways Jane done that already. All right, Emma. We have a

[13:53] little bit among us and let's see what I mean. Okay. I mean a footing is I mean a spot footing is a foundation for something or

[14:01] whether well that doesn't matter. It's still considered a foundation. It's a spot footing

[14:07] For a wall, but if you were put that spot footing in a square and

[14:12] For a pad in between that then you call it a house foundation

[14:17] I mean, but this is still a foundation for a wall. Are we a lot to move forward from this?

[14:24] We'll decide that talking to you. So I mean putting in foundation or you know

[14:30] Like for example on my garage. Yeah, we built the foundation is the footing that's under the walls

[14:37] The pattern between is nothing, same thing for under the house, it's all the wall foundation, which are the footage.

[14:46] I understand that.

[14:48] You guys, I get what a foundation for a building wall is.

[14:54] You get what a foundation for a center block fence is, right?

[14:58] Alright?

[14:59] What's up?

[15:00] Also called a footing, but it's not only called a footing. So what would be considered? What are you thinking that would be considered a foundation? But like a, like what?

[15:10] But international code standards to make a little continuous foundation requires the drilling into and connecting to another foundation to one. So it's all stable and moving together. That's what it is. So, okay. Again, this is, this is not what's in my plan.

[15:27] Not a smart decision for us to make, not just for her house, but for houses in the future.

[15:33] I'm going to say that.

[15:35] I would...

[15:37] Yeah, I know why you want to prove it.

[15:39] Why?

[15:40] Because you want to do this in phone house.

[15:43] What are you talking about?

[15:46] I was actually agreeing with you.

[15:48] If you just jerrymandered things to fit one person's thing, I was agreeing with you.

[15:53] I was teasing you.

[15:53] No.

[15:54] No teasing.

[15:55] You sit here and you're here to bash her and tell her sit down when she gives you any any sort of resistance.

[16:01] Guys, guys, time out.

[16:02] She was busy laughing.

[16:03] Guys, we're going to take you.

[16:05] We're going to take him.

[16:06] That's...

[16:07] Okay, well you're...

[16:09] I'm going to pull her things.

[16:11] No, I apologize.

[16:12] Yeah, well, it's easy to apologize.

[16:14] Tyler?

[16:15] Jane, stop.

[16:16] Alright, so we've discussed those main things.

[16:19] The other thing that's really important to understand and I want Sophia to understand

[16:23] And also is that both buildings need to be up to code, correct?

[16:28] You understand that?

[16:29] And that will be in a way.

[16:30] We are already up to code.

[16:31] Okay, but they need to be inspected and approved by that.

[16:35] Oh, can I ask you a question about that?

[16:37] Yes.

[16:37] So the inspector has to go through the other building also?

[16:40] Or are you talking about both buildings, the wall and the-

[16:42] Well, they share power.

[16:43] So if whether it's a sub panel on the other side, he has to-

[16:45] Okay.

[16:46] Sure, it goes from one to the other.

[16:47] Okay.

[16:48] Got it.

[16:49] To current code, right?

[16:50] To current code.

[16:51] exactly. So there's that. So as we move forward before I ask for any more

[16:57] questions or comments, the other part of this is we are still lacking engineering

[17:02] plans, more specifics with. Now I went through the international code and the

[17:08] description that she put in her written description fits exactly the word

[17:12] incoming from the international code for the foundation for that wall. Does that make sense?

[17:17] It's wide enough, it's tall enough, it's weighty enough, the dowel drills

[17:21] through it, the glue that was added, all of that is correct.

[17:26] So that is sufficeing, I think, but I have to ask Zach and see what he needs.

[17:31] That did look at these plans, but he just said that there were so many questions he had.

[17:35] Okay, and I'm happy to sit down with him and we'll get together to say, okay, what do

[17:39] we need to do to make sure that those plans are correct so that he can use them to

[17:43] approve you. Does that make sense to pass off your stuff? Okay?

[17:51] Do you have any questions,

[17:52] Laney? I mean, I'm just super confused about the whole thing.

[17:57] The wall, I mean, it has

[18:00] to be, it's going to be concrete in between both buildings, correct? Yeah. And a wall.

[18:04] Yes. And that's the two of the four things that need to be done, right? Okay. Okay. Okay.

[18:09] All right, that's all I have.

[18:10] Angie?

[18:11] I'm good right now.

[18:13] All right.

[18:13] That's what it looks like for you.

[18:15] All right.

[18:16] I don't have any other comments at this time.

[18:18] Nothing further.

[18:19] All right.

[18:20] Then I will make a motion here.

[18:22] Let me change my screen.

[18:31] What about the plans for the foundation for the other building?

[18:39] Yes.

[18:40] That has to be.

[18:41] I did not see a drawing on there for the actual concrete part.

[18:45] So will that be conditioned?

[18:47] You're correct.

[18:47] Yes, I'm putting it in the motion.

[18:49] So I'm adding that as a complete engineering

[18:51] specific that's required by the town inspector.

[18:54] Do you want me to specifically mention

[18:56] that concrete pad as well?

[18:58] Absolutely.

[19:00] She moves it.

[19:01] I'm not sure, but the wall.

[19:02] I think it's right now it's over here.

[19:05] She's moving it that way and connecting it in this way.

[19:08] Thank you.

[19:19] I know I made a movement, but I just

[19:23] I just want to see if it matched.

[19:24] A lot to make happen.

[19:28] And do we go over deadlines now or after?

[19:32] Um, I'll say that's very good.

[19:34] Thank you very much.

[19:35] So, um, you put in a deadline, you put in a date, I noticed the August 25th.

[19:40] Correct.

[19:41] I also have two others that I've contacted.

[19:43] So I contacted the Rouge and they told me that they would be able to come out later this

[19:49] month.

[19:49] Okay.

[19:50] Then I contacted.

[19:51] I also told Brad Quinn our neighbor and he said he wanted to do it so he might be able

[19:56] just to move it instead of having her to come out and then there was a third person that

[20:03] I found who does mobile home moving moving and he said when he's like on a semi truck so

[20:09] he said when he was like when he's in this area that he would let me know but anyways I don't

[20:13] have any like real set dates on that.

[20:16] Do you have a date for the cement work the foundation for the for the small house now?

[20:23] I had to see if this plan was even feasible before moving forward with anything

[20:33] I want to make sure I word this correctly as this is

[20:40] contingent on a completed

[20:43] Then is the completed going to come number one is completed going to come back to you to review

[20:48] number two if a building permit is approved they only have six months to

[20:54] pull the permit at what point are you going to count the six months to actually

[20:58] pull a permit because this is only a partial when she turns in the rest the

[21:06] rest and I come back to you yeah I'd like to put a deadline on when it has to be

[21:11] submitted if we move forward oh we should do that for everything yeah so she's

[21:17] voluntarily put the 25th of August, but I think that's a little rushed in my

[21:21] opinion. Yeah, but is that just for the plan to come back?

[21:24] It's just for engineering. It's just for engineering.

[21:28] And I also won't be here. That's why I want to talk about deadlines.

[21:32] Okay. So that's what let's discuss that. What do you think is fair to say we need to

[21:37] have this done? Because I mean this is an issue. It's a rock feel. It's hard to get

[21:43] that people could come up here and do anything.

[21:45] So, I mean, I'll say a couple months.

[21:48] Okay.

[21:49] And-

[21:49] So, is that for-

[21:50] Yeah, is that specifically time-

[21:51] What we're saying is-

[21:52] The movement of the building-

[21:54] I want to put a deadline that says, okay,

[21:56] we are saying however we vote that she can move forward

[21:59] or not, we'll do that on that.

[22:01] But they should-

[22:01] Hey, contingent on all the engineering-

[22:03] For not all these things, when does she have to start?

[22:07] When is- when do I need to have everything?

[22:09] So that we can say this is-

[22:10] So we're talking about a relocation plan from a company.

[22:15] We're talking about the building permit, the inspection, the fire, all that completed.

[22:26] We're also talking, we're not talking about the IADU or we are.

[22:29] Not at all.

[22:30] Not.

[22:31] I have to view the fire, right?

[22:33] No.

[22:34] No, I don't do it.

[22:35] The fire has to review your plans and say it's okay.

[22:38] Okay.

[22:38] But that's not something I have to add to my timeline.

[22:41] That would be in the timeline, yes.

[22:44] So what would have, here's like the steps.

[22:47] If it's approved, you would get all your engineering done, right?

[22:52] The engineering, the full plan saying, this is how it's going to be done.

[22:56] That needs to be submitted to the fire marshal.

[22:59] And he usually gets it back within a week.

[23:03] So.

[23:04] And the building.

[23:05] So we're discussing how much time you guys are willing to give me for the engineering

[23:09] plans to get those back to us so that we can so you can move forward but because I want

[23:14] I don't want this because there is a legal issue with fines etc. We're putting very specific

[23:19] dates on this to make this move forward.

[23:22] Well, I am like I said out of town so the more time you guys could give me like maybe December

[23:27] would be ideal.

[23:29] When are you out of town for when are you out of town for I'm going to be gone until October

[23:35] Can she have someone else present?

[23:38] I

[23:38] It's she can it can be just submitted back to us and given to keep in mind

[23:43] This is something that should have been with these plans to begin with

[23:46] 21 days ago and it was not in there yet

[23:51] Right, I think that

[23:53] There are issues that came up

[23:56] I was literally talking about it when we talked with her I told her she could submit yeah

[24:02] I was told by the chairman and so to see and go through expensive very expensive things if we were not going to move forward

[24:09] so that's where we're at so that's why I don't have it because I was told I didn't have to happen listening to Tim

[24:19] the foundation plans or the or the pad should be relatively simple

[24:25] yes it's not like there's a lot of engineering involved no I would not give I

[24:32] would not expect it to take until December no I'm I agree I'm I like two

[24:39] months I like that's that's where I think I think they'll take about a month

[24:44] well I think she has to have it submitted by the 25 to get it on like if we

[24:50] give her till the end of September so it can be on October's like the 25th

[24:55] No, no, no.

[24:56] This is not something that'll be in another meeting.

[24:59] Yeah, this is saying, once she gets this thing,

[25:02] and Zach approves, hey, this is enough.

[25:04] Yeah, so then, and if I'm not sure,

[25:05] then she can move forward.

[25:07] So, but I want those things submitted

[25:09] to him within a deadline.

[25:12] Or else, this then becomes null and void.

[25:14] And then, we revert back to the penalties.

[25:18] So, I do.

[25:19] So, Fiat's my understanding that, and we've done this many times

[25:23] in different ways is we can vote to do this and approve it's contingent on you

[25:32] getting and then we list on the motion on you turning in this this this and

[25:37] this and then if there's a date and we put it down so we can make that decision

[25:42] now and as long as you would have followed the contingency things that need to be

[25:46] turned in once they're all done and checked off then you can move and you

[25:51] You don't have to come back, correct, Shelley?

[25:53] Yeah, and that's the problem, though,

[25:55] is that I feel like that's setting me up for failure

[25:57] because I'm not going to be here.

[26:00] So you are setting a date to have me do all of these things,

[26:03] and I literally won't even be here.

[26:04] If this is as important to you as you say it is,

[26:07] then you...

[26:07] There's no one here.

[26:08] I'm here maybe a week a month.

[26:10] OK, I can't help that, but right now,

[26:13] your building is illegal.

[26:15] Yeah, I can say no, and just keep fighting, and find you.

[26:18] or I'm giving you two months to get it worked out.

[26:22] Can she have a little representative?

[26:25] She doesn't even have to come back here.

[26:27] She doesn't have to come back here.

[26:28] She just has to get in to the mail, somebody has to bring in.

[26:30] Does that, right?

[26:31] That's it.

[26:35] So I'll leave it up to you right now if you want.

[26:38] Yeah.

[26:39] I don't have to be here to submit it.

[26:41] No.

[26:41] Understand that.

[26:42] No, but people have to be here to give me

[26:44] the things that you guys are asking me for.

[26:46] I understand. And I wouldn't be shared. But again, this is not of our doing it's. So what's the six

[26:54] months? Why am I not getting the six months? The six months is to start and get building. I'm

[27:01] giving you two months to get all the right paperwork into us to satisfy. To begin. To begin.

[27:07] And so what? So that's that's what we're saying right now. So if we're saying is it two months from

[27:14] today October or do I just say 15 October 1 October 1 October 1

[27:23] sounds good we do end of October yeah because that's because two two months

[27:29] would be October it's the 11th today October I will leave it up to you

[27:35] October tell me what you are coming to October how about October 11th

[27:40] That's two months.

[27:41] Two months?

[27:42] October 11th it is.

[27:47] Let me just add this to your motion.

[27:51] Documentation.

[27:58] Okay, she can email it on a Sunday.

[28:01] Any other time?

[28:02] Well, I'll go to October 12th just for the business day.

[28:05] How's that?

[28:06] Year two generous.

[28:19] Okay, let me read through this first to see if there's any additions that need to be made.

[28:24] To see if I've missed anything or if it's not clear.

[28:26] So please listen. So this is not the official motion. I'm just reading this. Okay. Here's the whereas the following has been addressed and accepted by the Planning Commissioners copy of written approval from the Hurricane Valley Fire Marshal.

[28:39] Complete engineering specification as required by town inspector. Both buildings we be inspected and approved

[28:50] to current building codes.

[28:52] There's concrete pad description is to code for the foundation of the relocated building.

[29:04] All documentation will be submitted to the town no later than October 12, 2026.

[29:10] Am I missing anything?

[29:12] Is there anything about anything more with the relocation plan, the plan to move the building?

[29:19] That would that would be the pad or is there will the pad that in the engineering part of the plan of the building plan because when she submits the plan kind of like this one with all the right

[29:29] Engineering it shows it where it's going to be where it's going to be moved to concrete's under there how she moves it we don't really

[29:36] Honestly, we have no control of this she could lift a crane it they could pull it with a tractor it does not matter on that what about

[29:43] I'm sure you have to fix suit as soon as he's already mentioned that is that it's already in there the sewer company understands it

[29:52] That's part and Zach will be involved with and that becomes the code part with and that's also involved in the engineering

[29:57] Yes, so we don't have any

[30:00] The difference in plumbing. Do we need a drawing where the new plumbing is going to go and the new sewer line? That's right. So it should be. That's why it's an engineering plan. There was also a plan. The engineering plan, the complete drawing. Yeah. Okay. I don't you don't have an engineering plan. You have an engineer inspected by the town and the building inspector is engineering planning. We can include all the engineering specifications as required by the town as required by the town.

[30:29] got it. Okay. So that will be in there. Got it. He'll say plumbing electrical. Okay. Okay.

[30:36] Good. Does that make sense? Yes. All right. Anything else then? All right. Then I will make a motion.

[30:43] Whereas the application for building permit or building slash renovation

[30:50] permit for a home remodel located at 115 East Main Street, Rockville, Utah,

[30:54] submitted by Sofia Obmanis has been submitted and whereas the following has been addressed and accepted

[30:59] by the Planning Commissioners. Number one, copy of written approval from the Hurricane

[31:03] Valley Fire Marshal. Two, complete engineering specifications as required by town inspector.

[31:10] Three.

[31:11] Can't, are you saying these will be required?

[31:12] Yes.

[31:13] Okay.

[31:14] I just sit here to read the requirements.

[31:15] When you, yeah, it sounded like it was already happened by the way you ordered it.

[31:19] Oh, just, uh, uh, it's not been reviewed.

[31:23] It's contingent upon being required.

[31:25] Yeah.

[31:25] It sounds like we already have it.

[31:27] In addition.

[31:27] The cut has approved on the contingency of, yeah.

[31:31] Thank you.

[31:32] Let's fix that and I'm going to go

[31:45] contingent.

[32:07] Okay, let me read that again and see if you say.

[32:10] Whereas the application for the building renovation permit

[32:12] for a home remodel located at 115 East Main Street,

[32:15] Rockville, Utah submitted by Sophia Obmanis has been submitted

[32:18] and whereas the following has been addressed and accepted

[32:20] and contingent on the list below by the planning commissions,

[32:25] commissioners. Item number one, copy of a written approval from the Hurrican Valley Fire

[32:31] Marshall to complete engineering specifications as required by the town inspector.

[32:35] Three, both buildings will be inspected and approved to current building codes.

[32:39] Four, the concrete pad, description is added and two code for the foundation of the relocated

[32:46] building. And five, all documentation will be submitted to the town no later than October

[32:50] over 2012-2026.

[32:53] Whereas this building project complies with the land use code and does not conflict with

[32:56] the Rockfield General Plan and does not conflict with the nature of the community, I move

[33:00] we approve this application.

[33:03] A lady aye.

[33:04] I second the motion.

[33:06] I second.

[33:07] I'm sorry.

[33:08] I'm sorry.

[33:09] Second the motion.

[33:10] Laney.

[33:10] I.

[33:11] Angie aye.

[33:12] Linda aye.

[33:13] Jim aye.

[33:14] Jane no.

[33:15] No, because it does not follow the definition of building attached, walls with at least two sides shall not constitute an attached building.

[33:26] Thank you, Jane.

[33:27] The motion does pass, before the one.

[33:31] Okay, so if you have any questions going through with me, I will talk with Zach about specifications and we'll help anyway we can to get this through for you in two months.

[33:42] but it is uncommon on you.

[33:45] It's important as you want it to be.

[33:48] Okay, thank you very much.

[33:51] Okay, let's move on to item number five.

[33:54] Approval of the minutes for June 9th,

[33:55] 2026 regular meeting.

[33:59] I definitely will.

[34:02] Any questions with the minutes?

[34:04] No.

[34:06] And I need a second to approve it.

[34:08] I'd like a second.

[34:09] The approval.

[34:10] All right.

[34:10] Minutes.

[34:11] We didn't make a motion yet.

[34:13] I moved to approve the minutes, second to approve the report.

[34:20] Angie aye.

[34:21] Linda aye.

[34:22] Tim aye.

[34:23] Did we have a motion?

[34:24] Yes.

[34:25] Did you just do that?

[34:26] I barely got it out and somebody approved it.

[34:29] No.

[34:30] Somebody seconded.

[34:30] She seconded.

[34:31] Okay.

[34:32] All right.

[34:34] And the minutes of the June 9th meeting?

[34:38] We were just moving along.

[34:39] There we go.

[34:40] Second.

[34:40] No action is planning commission report the next plan planning commission meeting will be on September 8

[34:47] 2026

[34:48] Please put that on your calendars fantastic and we will have a second work meeting on the 8th as well

[34:54] Just look planned as we go over chapter two

[34:57] Okay

[34:59] Town office report

[35:00] Nothing to report

[35:10] And the motion to adjourn the work?

[35:12] Oh, not the regular meeting.

[35:15] It says work meeting.

[35:16] I would like to make a motion to adjourn our regular work meeting.

[35:20] And I second it.

[35:22] That's sick of hope.

[35:23] You can have a mess.

[35:24] Laney, aye.

[35:25] S.E.I.

[35:25] Linda, aye.

[35:26] Tim, aye.

[35:31] Oh, Jane, aye.

[35:32] Thank you very much.

[35:34] We'll come over.

[35:35] All right, thank you.

[35:38] OK, now I need to open the Rockville Planning Commission

[35:43] in workmaining of August 11th, 2026.

[35:46] Do I need to take a roll call for this one too?

[35:49] No, I do, I'll get a roll call.

[35:51] A lady here, Angie here, Linda here,

[35:54] Jim here, Jane here, Skyler here, Skyler's here.

[35:58] Thank you so much.

[35:59] First of all, I want to say thank you to Angie.

[36:02] Thank you so much.

[36:03] Yeah, there's some things I'm not sure about.

[36:05] I know, so today we're working on-

[36:07] Why does she know?

[36:08] I'm not sure about it.

[36:09] Number one, I need to go back to-

[36:12] page. So what do we thank in her for? All the work she did on chapter one and two and three that she sent us. I just went through number one

[36:21] and that's what we're going to discuss today because I have the comments. Did we get it hooked up? I sent it and then I think you sent it

[36:29] also. We both send it. And then I rescind it for yesterday. I don't get airs either. I

[36:35] didn't get mail galore and I didn't get any of those. Well, I'll be pretty specific.

[36:41] I'll put it up and then you can see it on the screen. The first item was in section 1.2

[36:48] purpose.

[36:51] See that? Say that again. And in your land use code section 1.2 under purpose.

[36:56] You have

[37:07] a copy of the code, right?

[37:09] Chapter one.

[37:11] Here we go.

[37:12] And after section seven, it says in that paragraph,

[37:17] it says it is the intention of the town in adopting

[37:19] this code to fully exercise all powers granted.

[37:21] Da, da, da.

[37:23] She changed the reference, right?

[37:27] Right.

[37:30] Is now the reference for the state, correct?

[37:32] Okay, hold on.

[37:35] I'm looking at chapter 1 right here, right, you may have 7 under, and they're number 2.

[37:44] The thing that she put in the page 1 chapter 1 is under my screen, because you can see the

[37:48] highlights and stuff right here.

[37:49] The paragraph after number 7, I can try and I just need, it's really pretty.

[37:56] What do you have?

[37:57] It makes me feel like the beach.

[37:59] I need a USB-C to, I've got my email.

[38:03] and my iPad right here, and I didn't get any of this.

[38:06] Sometimes I don't get any mail.

[38:07] I check it every day, because I'm unavoidable.

[38:09] I get back to the kitchen and I'm like,

[38:10] I've gotten not one email,

[38:12] and have you sent anything to the cat?

[38:14] I'm like,

[38:14] and he told me that it's not one,

[38:15] and I just check this out there.

[38:17] Yeah, he's someone just today.

[38:19] They're the younger ones.

[38:20] Yeah, that's a problem.

[38:21] I look today, I looked yesterday.

[38:22] Angie, is that right here?

[38:23] Peter?

[38:24] It is, but it's not very well.

[38:27] I'd rather be there.

[38:33] Oh my God, I know that too, you're all good here, right?

[38:37] Yeah, listen to this.

[38:43] Yeah, great job.

[38:44] We're going to fill out chairs around here.

[38:45] And I want to check all the references that she mentioned in the work program.

[38:49] And there's such a teacher.

[38:52] There was even a place on where it was on it, man.

[38:54] She referenced the new language that the state uses as opposed to cost for online adjustments.

[39:10] Okay, let me move to yeah control plus

[39:22] I guess.

[39:23] I guess.

[39:24] Apple.

[39:25] I guess.

[39:26] I guess.

[39:27] All right.

[39:28] So, in the first section, as you can see, I'm going to look at that out.

[39:33] So, you can see where she says it is the intention of the town.

[39:37] She's just changing the reference to the current state code, which is title 10, chapter 20.

[39:44] I went and checked it.

[39:45] It's your first one.

[39:46] So, if we are in favor of that, I see it comes up and all that.

[40:05] So I found that, are we getting rid of it or changing it or what?

[40:16] I just want to make sure that I'm going to just go down to these things and don't leave.

[40:22] All right.

[40:22] In applicability and interpretation, I wasn't sure I had on 1, 3, paddle 1, 3, 1, plain language

[40:32] which many of you in the courts will be top vote section 102901.

[40:38] Let me expand that so you can read it all.

[40:42] All right, there.

[40:44] And let's see if any.

[40:45] Let me go over.

[40:47] I'm not seeing any changes.

[40:49] I'm not seeing any changes.

[40:50] I'm not seeing any changes.

[40:50] They see the notes right there too.

[40:52] Oh, I don't have those notes.

[40:55] I'm not seeing any changes.

[40:56] Okay.

[40:58] I'm not sure.

[40:59] Yes.

[41:03] Yes, I'll read up for you if you want.

[41:06] Where are we looking?

[41:07] Right here to the side, that's a little bit of words over here.

[41:12] Okay.

[41:13] And we got the, that's the emails that we got.

[41:16] Yes.

[41:16] Which you got if you open up the document, that's all you need.

[41:20] You won't go out like that.

[41:21] You need to get it.

[41:21] I don't have it.

[41:22] I brought my iPads so y'all can check my emails.

[41:25] We sent it three times.

[41:27] I know.

[41:27] But that's happened before and I didn't get Tim's either take you to Best Buy and we could solve this problem

[41:34] A new iPad that Andy hooked up for me and when he was at the last meeting he had this for a week

[41:41] My iPad, so I don't know what's wrong with it

[41:49] The whole thing

[42:00] So what I did was I went and I took the state stuff and then I pulled it in and then

[42:08] I practiced it for a year's long time and not a year for a year or a lot of work.

[42:13] And so the claim language, maybe, is kind of a thing that says, you know, it's not mechanical.

[42:21] It's a gray area.

[42:23] if there's any question it has to do for the lay-end property owner okay which

[42:29] did attorney said that night okay okay okay okay I get I get one point three

[42:44] point a depending but we can read format that we can read format that

[42:53] But I think that's a good place to put it, isn't it, but the ability and interpretation

[42:57] is the right answer to the question.

[42:59] And this was the language directly from the state code.

[43:05] She did not interpret the code.

[43:07] But I didn't find it.

[43:10] You didn't find it.

[43:11] It's a good place to put it.

[43:14] Okay,

[43:17] I agree with that.

[43:20] adding that to there.

[43:22] I'm trying to make you dizzy.

[43:28] Can you back up a little bit and tell us where we are?

[43:31] Too far. There we go.

[43:34] 111, thank you.

[43:38] 111.

[43:41] This has to do with the...

[43:44] When does this planning...

[43:47] What does an application need to be done?

[43:49] What are they going to be the very specific subject?

[43:51] We have been a little wily nilly in the cases

[43:53] so let's discuss it and talk about it

[43:55] and see how we want to change it because it's like,

[43:57] she's added that what she wants to add,

[44:01] because we're saying it has to be in 21 calendar days.

[44:03] That's what our code is currently set.

[44:06] She wants to add that within three business days,

[44:09] we, as the planning commissioner,

[44:12] will have reviewed it and sent back.

[44:18] If they're missing anything, if they're required to do it, then three of us this thing is just required by law.

[44:24] And it doesn't have to be, well, American people law.

[44:27] It was saying that really, our people are not going to need to do this based on it.

[44:33] I don't know if you know how to finish it.

[44:34] Yeah.

[44:35] But in small towns it's going to be a law.

[44:37] And I didn't put them in small towns.

[44:39] It's just really kind of, you can do it in other ways.

[44:55] So the three the three days is arbitrary.

[45:00] I would like to make it five working days because you know how hard it is to get a hold of some of us some days. I won't even break your arm there anything. I am located with five. I think we've done a pretty good job of trying to get in as soon as possible. Yeah, I would say five working days. Let's be specific. Are we adding that to under where it says 21 calendar days? Yeah.

[45:27] Okay. Yeah, sure.

[45:29] sure. So five. That's after the 21 days. I don't know. So you're

[45:34] aiming for the plan 21 days ahead of time. That's it. You submitted. We have within

[45:39] five days, we've got the fact to you if you're missing this, this, this, this. So this

[45:45] is what we're going to add. I would also like to add, and we perhaps tell me if

[45:50] our new, if our new building permit says this, I would like to add, there is a

[45:56] a limited time for that extra stuff to be tossed in.

[46:01] We need to have it a week before the meeting,

[46:05] five business days prior to the meeting,

[46:08] so that we have a chance to review things.

[46:10] We've had meetings where this is,

[46:13] hey, you're missing this and this and this,

[46:14] and they hand it to us at a meeting.

[46:16] And we're like, what the, I don't have time for this

[46:18] to review this.

[46:19] That's so true, and I thought if everything was complete

[46:26] but I don't check it. I don't look and say, look, there's no footing plan on here. That's

[46:32] you guys. That's the outcomes we've done in the past. And so I like adding that line to it,

[46:39] but I also don't agree with you. Let's have a deadline for it. Hey, if you don't have it in,

[46:43] high business days, like everything completed, right? Then we're not going to bother with you at the

[46:50] 10 days before what five business days prior to the

[46:55] meeting. Here's what's happening 21 days. Let's say they submit it on Friday.

[46:59] Okay. We don't even get it back until the next Friday. There's already seven days

[47:05] gone. Five guys get it. Seven days, you know, to get the builder to get their

[47:11] stuff corrected. Sometimes that's tough. I would I fly five. I know yeah but I'll

[47:17] I would really like it to say five business days prior to the date of the meeting, so Tuesday doesn't count.

[47:28] To get everything back in, after you guys read comments, this is what you need.

[47:36] Monday, no, Tuesday the day of that Tuesday, so the fact that one week before the meeting, that's our five business days.

[47:44] So today doesn't count as one of those five days.

[47:47] So we'll stick with five and five.

[47:49] Five days after the 21, we'll get back it.

[47:51] And then five days before the day of the meeting,

[47:54] you get all of it back to us.

[47:56] OK.

[47:57] Hi.

[47:57] So I think once everything's into you,

[48:00] you can come and take me to get all the stuff back.

[48:02] It won't take me long at all.

[48:04] There's a bring them in packets.

[48:06] All I would just say is the rest of the packets here,

[48:10] come and get it.

[48:10] But because recently we had some men that didn't bring it in packets, and I just called and asked them to come back because I am not going to sort through it to make cancer tales.

[48:21] I want to say that this has come into play in the distant past, so don't take offense.

[48:31] We've had commissioners say this is not complete, so we're not going to talk about it.

[48:44] Do we want to change complete building permit because we don't really ask them to have

[48:50] a complete building permit 21 days in advance?

[48:54] We prefer a complete building permit, but we know it's not going to happen.

[49:00] Can we be a little more flexible with that? You want to leave complete in there because it's

[49:06] inspirational.

[49:09] That's everybody's interpretation of complete though, it's different.

[49:14] Yeah, but again, that's where our five days end when you're missing this.

[49:19] Okay. Yeah, I agree. I like being more specific with our times. I like that a lot.

[49:25] All right. Cool. All right. So, we would add in here within five business days of receiving

[49:34] food and completed any missing checklist items must be resubmitted within five days.

[49:44] Must be before the meeting. And I suggest this to add the penalty on that or it will not

[49:52] Yeah, oh, that's a good one. Oh that in there. Yeah. She's alive. Wow.

[50:02] You have drugs. I have oral surgery on Wednesday. Oh, no.

[50:11] No. He's right here.

[50:13] Yes.

[50:17] And I have it on record.

[50:18] And I will put this all together.

[50:20] And I'm going to put it on one sheet of paper

[50:23] instead of the whole thing.

[50:24] I want this is this.

[50:25] This is what we're going to do.

[50:26] I'm going to make sure I get that.

[50:28] Okay.

[50:28] So we're going to add it has to be done

[50:32] or it's not on the agenda.

[50:34] That is correct.

[50:35] It will not.

[50:36] Okay, section.

[50:37] Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[50:38] I have a question on that.

[50:40] Yes. The option is we're going now post in the agenda 10 days before the meeting

[50:46] and so it might be on the agenda but it would just be continued.

[50:52] Okay. Okay. So we'll be continuing to the next.

[50:57] Right. There's nothing wrong with making a last minute amended agenda.

[51:01] I agree with that but let's not try to. We don't have to.

[51:05] Yeah, so wait, let's just make sure I want to take her and make sure we're going to say then instead of it will be removed from the agenda will be continued to the next meeting.

[51:16] Is that okay?

[51:17] No.

[51:18] No.

[51:18] Why?

[51:19] Because they may not have it before the next meeting.

[51:22] They may not have it.

[51:25] Oh, I see what you're saying.

[51:27] We move from the agenda, figure it out again.

[51:30] We'll put you back on an agenda once we have your shape.

[51:34] Stuff.

[51:35] Okay.

[51:36] All right, all right.

[51:36] One, two, one.

[51:37] One, one.

[51:38] Exceptions.

[51:39] Tennis.

[51:39] Simple permit.

[51:41] All right.

[51:41] Opposite.

[51:48] Right there.

[51:49] Right there.

[51:50] Okay.

[51:52] Okay.

[51:54] Okay.

[51:57] I think that's a simple permit just a simple permit just that is in the office

[52:11] it doesn't go anywhere but to you guys or somebody to look at and sign like

[52:15] Tim or somebody legally do we need a time frame on a simple permit like like you

[52:21] need to get it back to me in a week.

[52:34] I mean, legally, did you find anything on, on, on, hey, this town is dragging their feet

[52:41] on this simple permit?

[52:43] Uh, on a simple permit?

[52:44] Yeah.

[52:45] No.

[52:46] Actually.

[52:46] Okay.

[52:47] Because this is a simple permit.

[52:48] So we can put, I mean, for our future footdraggers, we can put it in the code and say a simple permit needs to be approved by the

[53:01] planning commission, but answered either approved or denied within five Christmas days.

[53:07] That's usually the exact same one.

[53:08] Five?

[53:09] Five?

[53:09] Okay.

[53:11] I think that is really, I mean, we're putting this because we're diligent, but the next group of us

[53:18] might be a bunch of slackers.

[53:22] But a simple building permit can't have that one or two

[53:25] dwelling. That doesn't apply at all. That doesn't apply for the top of it. Yeah, because

[53:35] that doesn't fit there.

[53:40] Computers. Most time it's the operator.

[53:51] I don't want to add this stuff. I mean, we've already changed it to five. It says, like,

[53:56] notification of incompleteness. Okay, we have three days of fine automation. It pauses

[54:01] the screening period. So the applicant can provide us with this.

[54:06] Or reject it. Yeah, just leave it how you had it.

[54:09] Are we still on the simple?

[54:11] If you don't get to list it in five days, you're off in Egypt.

[54:16] This is regular permit.

[54:18] This is regular permit back again.

[54:22] I think we can be more succinct.

[54:25] And the legal presumption, I don't want to give it.

[54:28] I don't want us to have to say that.

[54:30] And nobody works by five o'clock anyway.

[54:34] Only Jimmy Buffett.

[54:35] Okay, so on this, and she is a true, we have this old diagram thing in the book.

[54:44] Oh yeah, the company that redid our code, really like diagrams.

[54:52] Really, really like some.

[54:58] Do we need a flow chart?

[55:01] I like the data there.

[55:06] Me too.

[55:06] I like it.

[55:07] Yeah, we would need to amend this.

[55:09] But do you want a flow chart?

[55:13] Yes.

[55:14] Okay.

[55:15] Pictures are good.

[55:16] Pictures are good.

[55:17] No, no, no.

[55:18] It's right.

[55:18] There's no pictures.

[55:20] It's called a flow chart.

[55:21] Well.

[55:23] So, okay, then we just need to update the flow chart to our current and new ideas.

[55:33] Hey.

[55:34] Isn't it pretty?

[55:36] Yeah.

[55:36] I don't know why.

[55:37] Why?

[55:38] There's no indication of what it is.

[55:40] Yeah, why did it change to yellow?

[55:42] Did you run out of blue ink?

[55:50] All right, we'll go on into section 1.1.3, special application process.

[55:56] Again, this code as well, thank you, and you can do it that just, again, we're, well,

[56:03] she gave us, if it was still live or not, we're going to go to, because that, I'm sorry.

[56:12] So what do we put down?

[56:14] We're going to change these codes.

[56:18] We're going to take our code and change it to these numbers.

[56:20] Because it's changing their codes all the time.

[56:24] I mean, it's changing a thousand codes.

[56:26] Somebody gets paid just to do that.

[56:29] Roger said that we shouldn't even refer to them

[56:32] because of that, because it's continually changing every year.

[56:35] So should we just say you talk code?

[56:38] No.

[56:39] I think if we give a good system of doing it like this and we have diligent people as

[56:45] Jean said in the interviews, it works.

[56:48] Now I did go and look up and again, I didn't read the whole code, but the first section which explains the code did match this.

[56:54] So, they worked, so these are correct.

[56:57] Okay.

[56:57] So we want to change those.

[56:58] And then this is number three, which I refer to in 133's.

[57:03] It's not law-climate adjustment now.

[57:05] Now the state considers it administrative boundary adjustment and administrative boundary adjustment

[57:13] shall be reviewed in accordance with the regulations that form in the Utah code which is basically

[57:18] saying in that one now if it's a simple one it can be done by my signature or somebody in

[57:25] the planning mission it does not have to come before the planning commission to do a simple

[57:32] That's what that code, that's what that's what that state code is.

[57:35] Now there's specifics for this, they have to have all the permission from everybody involved, they have to have drawings and stuff.

[57:41] But it's not done in front of the planning commission, it is just done administratively.

[57:46] I'll tell you, a lot line adjustment doesn't normally go before us anyway because it goes through the county and then they bring it to the town and say this is what I've already done.

[57:56] But

[57:59] it doesn't have to be a lot longer.

[58:01] Except the problem is when they make a lot clearer

[58:03] then we end up back in trouble again.

[58:06] Well, because they are then out of compliance, yeah.

[58:10] But that's, to them, they're really bland, it's not.

[58:12] But anyway, the new wording is, so you know,

[58:16] at the administrative foundry adjustment.

[58:19] OK, I'm good with that.

[58:22] And where's the second one referring to?

[58:25] Which one?

[58:29] I know what's the one underneath them.

[58:32] 10 to 1, 06.

[58:33] That's the very kind of stuff.

[58:33] Is it the same thing?

[58:34] Yes.

[58:35] OK.

[58:36] OK.

[58:37] It's words and numbers.

[58:39] The words have changed, and then the numbers have changed.

[58:44] 13, 17.

[58:48] All the way up.

[58:49] All the way up.

[58:49] Oh, by giving them all the answers can change.

[58:51] Chapter six.

[58:52] No, seven.

[58:53] That's all the four pages.

[58:55] I'll give the sentence.

[58:55] Seven.

[58:57] Three.

[58:57] Somebody sign up for seven, because seven's already changed.

[59:00] down by the state law.

[59:05] Right there. Section 1.24.

[59:10] One point two four of what where are we now?

[59:14] Here on. Wait. Oh wow. Chapter one. Yeah. It kind of goes through the standards for review and

[59:22] appeals three.

[59:33] I keep going down a little bit over here.

[59:40] Right there.

[59:42] Chapter one,

[59:48] the state requires, yes, the state requires where they have to have an appeals process.

[59:56] We can't just be the end.

[1:00:06] We've always had that. Yeah, but we've had it now referring to this co-rank. And is there any new? Going down. I want to change. I read through. I didn't. But I will add this on. This is on appeals. Uh-huh. I didn't catch the number when you were scrubs. It's 1.24. 3.

[1:00:28] They keep going down.

[1:00:30] Point two, four.

[1:00:31] Does it say that it still can go to the

[1:00:33] I keep variant hearing officer?

[1:00:37] Because right now ours goes to the town council

[1:00:40] and then to the variant of the city.

[1:00:43] It doesn't automatically go to the variant's officer though.

[1:00:46] He's the appeal board after the town council.

[1:00:48] Okay.

[1:00:50] So like they, if they, if they got denied here,

[1:00:54] then they go to the town council and appeal.

[1:00:57] And then they get denied there.

[1:00:59] They go to the variant's office.

[1:01:02] Before they can go to court.

[1:01:04] Yes.

[1:01:04] It has to go on those steps.

[1:01:06] But is that what this says?

[1:01:08] Yes. Well, it does not say anything about the variants.

[1:01:12] See what this is, the exhaustion of the variant.

[1:01:13] But what it does say, and I'll just paraphrase this,

[1:01:16] I will put this all out into the full documents

[1:01:18] and read it and you want to work up stuff, that's great.

[1:01:22] But it's saying there, first of all,

[1:01:25] There appeal can only be on the one item or the item that doesn't match, you can't be on multiple things, I can't go.

[1:01:35] Why didn't like it because they didn't tell me everything, you know?

[1:01:38] Your appeal has to be very specific. There's one item.

[1:01:42] It doesn't match the fact that my lose code or whatever that's the item.

[1:01:45] Does that mean we have to deny it on only one item?

[1:01:49] Which is really what we do, right?

[1:01:51] We reference let's say maybe they had a lot of crap. Okay, but then they can appeal only on they have an appeal on each one of those

[1:02:01] So only decisions and I'll read it out here only decisions

[1:02:04] As applied a land use organs to a particular application or similar parts or maybe appeal to the town council

[1:02:13] So I guess it's the whole

[1:02:23] And it just says the person who's bringing the appeal has their responsibility to do the proofing

[1:02:37] Now where do we have that in our land use code is it right below?

[1:02:47] It

[1:02:48] It might be nice

[1:02:54] To put it here

[1:02:57] last attorney. Thank you. Okay. Do you see what I mean? It might be nice to put it here.

[1:03:03] If you see in 3D right there, it does say the applicant shall bear the burden improved.

[1:03:08] Okay. Thank you. The last year's party was in here. Cool. Let's see it. So this is just a little bit more legal means

[1:03:15] than that just the state code which I like. So do you like? Are you going to take all ABCDE and F out and

[1:03:23] put this other one in, because those are almost worked for, I mean, those are the exact

[1:03:27] thing.

[1:03:29] I'm going to, I'm going to go back and look at it and I'll make some suggestions.

[1:03:32] Okay.

[1:03:34] Because that's talking about the same thing.

[1:03:37] Yeah, I, it appears that ours was taken from the state code.

[1:03:44] These are matching, matching.

[1:03:45] You're probably right.

[1:03:48] Right.

[1:03:49] See because you're F in there and D in and C in and C in and C.

[1:03:52] Right.

[1:03:55] I think we should concentrate on the things I think.

[1:03:59] Don't touch what I'm saying.

[1:04:03] Today maybe.

[1:04:05] Do you think I read about the dirt?

[1:04:08] What did I read?

[1:04:09] Oh.

[1:04:09] I read the states.

[1:04:12] All right.

[1:04:13] You're now, again, section 1.26, just referring again, changing the code to refer to the new state code.

[1:04:22] And then they just don't make this a problem.

[1:04:24] Yeah, that thing I tried to do, it's not going to be something new.

[1:04:28] Where?

[1:04:29] The agenda.

[1:04:30] It does not show websites.

[1:04:32] Well, it's because you're not an org.

[1:04:33] You're a go.

[1:04:34] Yeah.

[1:04:34] It's a new...

[1:04:36] It's not even close to us.

[1:04:37] We need to change that in our internet.

[1:04:39] Correct.

[1:04:39] Okay.

[1:04:40] Oxfileutide.org.

[1:04:43] I'm live, old.

[1:04:45] When we just have to make sure we refer to our preferred

[1:04:47] interpretation, we need to make that.

[1:04:50] But again, very public gratitude to Angie.

[1:04:55] Yes.

[1:04:56] And because this is a great organize way to do it,

[1:04:59] if you do not have them, I'm going to challenge them this time.

[1:05:02] I will have this up to you in the next week,

[1:05:05] with all of you so you can do it.

[1:05:06] We are having a work meeting where we review chapter 2, which is definitions next time.

[1:05:13] If you pull it open, just like she said in the Google Docs, you will see all the stuff

[1:05:17] on the right.

[1:05:19] And then I would like you to be familiar with it, and then I would use it as a gift to you

[1:05:24] to do it.

[1:05:25] So we're prepared to discuss it, just like the definitions.

[1:05:28] Right.

[1:05:29] Definitions.

[1:05:29] Which is an important one.

[1:05:31] Like we found a few of them.

[1:05:33] Yes.

[1:05:33] Yes, let's talk about them and let's be specific, I agree.

[1:05:38] We might go back to the point, but I've been through the definitions.

[1:05:41] I had some questions.

[1:05:43] Yes.

[1:05:44] Change.

[1:05:45] It wasn't in there.

[1:05:46] It wasn't there.

[1:05:49] But then we're going to have to go back once we got back to the point.

[1:05:53] We will.

[1:05:54] This is at least the end of the basis.

[1:05:55] We might not change officially with, because the process is, right.

[1:06:00] We didn't want to make a change.

[1:06:01] We have a meeting where the town can come and go, hey, then we go get great,

[1:06:07] let's change it some more, and then we vote, correct?

[1:06:10] Right.

[1:06:11] And then wait, do we have to have an opening again?

[1:06:13] No, we've made changes.

[1:06:14] No, it goes, we have a meeting?

[1:06:18] Yup.

[1:06:19] We close our little meeting.

[1:06:21] Open the meeting.

[1:06:21] Open a hearing?

[1:06:23] Yup.

[1:06:23] Listen to people.

[1:06:25] Close it.

[1:06:26] Talk amongst ourselves.

[1:06:27] Hey, Phil said this.

[1:06:30] I never thought of that before. We want to change it this way and make changes and then we vote on it.

[1:06:37] And then it goes to the town. And then we say we would like to recommend that you change your land use code here.

[1:06:46] Yes, ma'am.

[1:06:49] We could we can do it for we would have to we would have to review it.

[1:06:56] Each word by word, each thing here, and tell the public, we change this, we added the proper state code on this.

[1:07:10] We can do the whole thing, but we will have to go,

[1:07:17] we want to do it in pieces that our neighbors are not going to get pissed of us for sitting here that long.

[1:07:25] so like this not not too long so we might we might want to do that and we don't

[1:07:33] they don't we don't have to be in order and I oppose it because of this

[1:07:47] this and then somebody else would get to say I'm totally in favor whatever I hate

[1:07:51] that number on the state law? I'm not putting it in there. Make up a new number.

[1:07:58] So we have to go over right. Yeah, we can overwrite. We most of the time those hearings,

[1:08:08] whatever their hearings are on, they bring up ideas we hadn't thought of. It's like, you know,

[1:08:13] we've been talking about this for a long time, but that's a very good point. And then maybe we amend it before we change it.

[1:08:18] If I remember right from James, I appreciate this, is that she said that exact thing.

[1:08:25] And we didn't really think about that, and I think we even tabled it and said, let's discuss it among us in another time before you change it.

[1:08:33] Exactly, it didn't fall.

[1:08:36] All right, any questions?

[1:08:38] So assignment again is, you got that lady, you didn't get her, you know, I did yet, okay.

[1:08:45] So, and you saw the comments, but I mean, I love our computer savvy, but I did go, oh, I have to click on this, and I'm like, oh, oh, I just feel here.

[1:08:55] So, get along and understand.

[1:08:57] Please, the more online you get on it, the more mistakes that they're covered, especially with the plan use code, or the state coding, took me 10 tactics to go, let me see this.

[1:09:09] So what did you do? And it gave me, of course, a synopsis that this feels like this.

[1:09:14] All right. Fantastic.

[1:09:15] I'll see you in the next one.

[1:09:19] Thank you.

[1:09:20] I don't find a logic in my mind.

[1:09:25] I put my name to something and it was close to that.

[1:09:28] So I did go out.

[1:09:31] Nice.

[1:09:32] Thank you, gentlemen.

[1:09:36] Any questions?

[1:09:36] All right, so again, the assignment next wheel is those windows.

[1:09:41] I want to hit chapter two.

[1:09:43] After two definitions.

[1:09:45] I was looking at all my backpack right here.

[1:09:48] So it went.

[1:09:49] If you want you to see it, it went in the backpack.

[1:09:52] In the magic backpack.

[1:09:53] Let's see if we can put it in.

[1:09:54] Who's anything?

[1:09:58] We'll be having more coming next time.

[1:10:00] We'll talk about this and start on chapter two.

[1:10:03] If you guys think two is going to be too big, and she just said maybe we don't have any.

[1:10:11] No, no, two might be too big all at once for the neighbors, but we'll tell you when we're

[1:10:18] done.

[1:10:20] Okay, we're at the bees.

[1:10:22] I'm out of here.

[1:10:23] I don't want to do the building permit tonight.

[1:10:25] I want to talk to you about it.

[1:10:26] Okay, that's fine.

[1:10:27] Okay, so she hanged out a copy of her building permit hall.

[1:10:30] Yeah, and we want to revise it so that they have their off to the side.

[1:10:34] The look at page 13.

[1:10:36] This is what it's referring to except that we changed some of it because they,

[1:10:44] before it said that they had to get the approval from the paragraph district and

[1:10:48] we don't do that anymore.

[1:10:50] They bring us the plan.

[1:10:52] They send it to the fire marshal.

[1:10:53] He sends it back to us saying yes, no, or otherwise.

[1:10:57] and make sure you guys they need that before you guys can approve it okay so

[1:11:02] it's not up to them it's up to us it's up to them to get us a pdf yeah it says

[1:11:06] now in the top and the other thing is on the second one that it says it the

[1:11:12] owner's signature on a fire suppression yes that really doesn't apply because

[1:11:19] currently we have an a zone a fire one zone and a fire two zone

[1:11:24] please listen fire one zone is in town where there's fire hydrants that's

[1:11:32] good to know not everybody has a water connection they don't are entitled to a

[1:11:36] fire hydrant they have wells we have three right now that two that have already

[1:11:41] started or completed and one that's coming in that has a well well that's

[1:11:46] different. We can't have them sign a fire so one because that doesn't apply to

[1:11:51] them. So I called the fire marshal to what we can do to address that. I just

[1:11:58] haven't heard that from him but that part right there needs to be fixed. If I

[1:12:04] remember right that's just saying hey I'm aware of the fire's requirements.

[1:12:09] That's not one thing. That's right. It does. But there's not one thing on that.

[1:12:16] So we need to change that so that when we give it to them to say, you're aware and here's the requirements, they're signing.

[1:12:25] That's why I was asking the fire marshal.

[1:12:27] Okay.

[1:12:27] I don't think this matters because all we're asking is, did you get some sort of form that says you're aware of some sort of fire requirements?

[1:12:39] Okay.

[1:12:40] And that, yes, I got some sort of form.

[1:12:42] Okay, because the forms need to be built fit.

[1:12:45] Okay, so that form needs to be adjusted.

[1:12:47] Yeah.

[1:12:48] But is that something we need to do?

[1:12:49] Yeah.

[1:12:50] Is it fine in commission?

[1:12:51] Or is it just an administrative thing?

[1:12:52] It's just fine.

[1:12:53] These are the new requirements for the fire.

[1:12:55] All of this is administrative.

[1:12:56] We don't really have to do anything.

[1:12:58] Okay.

[1:12:59] We want you guys to see it.

[1:13:00] We need your.

[1:13:01] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:13:01] That's why I ask that.

[1:13:02] I feel like it doesn't matter to fire one of our two.

[1:13:05] What?

[1:13:05] How can you address that issue?

[1:13:07] Okay.

[1:13:08] I would change the fire suppressant information to match and that's it.

[1:13:12] And it used to say that you didn't have to have sprinklers if you lived in the fire thingy,

[1:13:16] but you had to be aware that the fire hydrant wouldn't put out enough pressure.

[1:13:20] That's not up to us.

[1:13:21] John's the one that's making them.

[1:13:23] So that form needs to be different.

[1:13:25] Correct.

[1:13:26] Not this form.

[1:13:27] It's the same form.

[1:13:28] Yeah.

[1:13:29] Okay.

[1:13:29] But that is that fire suppression form included in our building permit form.

[1:13:37] Yes.

[1:13:37] Can I ask a silly question?

[1:13:39] Sure.

[1:13:40] It is for us.

[1:13:40] Any way to like, I'm not familiar with the water situation as far as the hydrants go.

[1:13:47] As someone who did a permit recently and had to fill out a paper saying it's almost a certainty,

[1:13:52] if your house catches on fire, it's going to burn down.

[1:13:56] How can the town fix that problem?

[1:13:58] We can't.

[1:14:00] Nothing that can be done to make sure there's water in the hydrants.

[1:14:03] You did have somebody check the hydrants.

[1:14:06] Yeah.

[1:14:07] Yeah.

[1:14:07] So that our code would be correct.

[1:14:09] Yeah.

[1:14:10] And it has nothing to do with the town.

[1:14:12] It's totally up to the pipeline to fix the pressure.

[1:14:15] So how are the hydrants?

[1:14:20] There is a way, however, it's beyond the scope of what we're doing.

[1:14:24] in charge of. Okay, and I'm not asking for like, like, who do we go to if we want to

[1:14:29] petition?

[1:14:32] We've known this since 30 years ago when I was, I didn't know, on to your

[1:14:37] firefighter, the size of our pipes and the inadequacies of it, but they've handled it differently

[1:14:44] now. We're on a different fire department. Correct. And I did, on those forms, I did take

[1:14:49] off the rocket spring no fire department because it did say that it's almost every paragraph.

[1:14:55] I'm kind of happy with the with calling it the fire suppression.

[1:15:00] Formation. Which would be fine. It's vague enough that it counts, that it covers both types of zones there. Fix the zones on the zone paper. Ask a builder a question. Why do we make them label the rooms?

[1:15:21] Indicate the use of all rooms included possible future uses of unfinished areas. Why is that? Because if you have, if something's a storage room, but I interpret

[1:15:29] it as a bedroom and it doesn't have an egress window you know yeah and it has to do

[1:15:35] a subject. If you look at your cabinets and also how many rooms. In the last six months most

[1:15:42] of the time when they come these in there's not a single thing that checked off. So I

[1:15:47] had an end of story. I know. So at that time I didn't even read it. That's that's where

[1:15:51] administratively we just say oh no I'm not taking that. But that's where this comes in.

[1:15:55] This makes them put a page number on it.

[1:15:57] We talked about that idea.

[1:15:59] Also, that is something that you can do over the desk.

[1:16:03] You say this.

[1:16:04] I like that idea.

[1:16:06] Fix this.

[1:16:07] Look at it.

[1:16:07] I can see blanks here.

[1:16:09] Fill these in.

[1:16:09] The last one they just dropped the whole thing off

[1:16:11] and I didn't even look at it until they were gone,

[1:16:13] because anyway, so I understand.

[1:16:17] Please come.

[1:16:17] It's me again.

[1:16:19] Well, and shelling and I were talking about whether or not we

[1:16:22] should just leave a blank where they put the indicated

[1:16:25] whatever they're coding it if it's page five or page six or whatever or if we

[1:16:30] should actually put numbers in there and then if it's not in then all of them

[1:16:35] would be the same. So if we see an application and it says I don't know S5 that

[1:16:42] means a site plan all the time. So that was this way. So we thought to do it this

[1:16:49] way and then I don't know.

[1:16:51] I think when somebody says, Shelley, this is new.

[1:16:58] I didn't do this in my last house.

[1:17:00] What do they mean by page reference?

[1:17:02] You can go, oh, you know what?

[1:17:04] It would really be helpful for the planning commissioners if you said

[1:17:07] S for site plan 5.

[1:17:11] Because they're going to ask you.

[1:17:13] Correct.

[1:17:14] What do you think?

[1:17:15] Is that enough?

[1:17:16] Then we could put numbers in them.

[1:17:19] Well, but then we are then we are requiring their architect to follow our rules.

[1:17:29] Well, I mean they can just write down top of it.

[1:17:31] Okay, it's yeah, I guess not going to happen.

[1:17:34] So I was just going to say like you're just saying it's not complete ever.

[1:17:38] And now you're going to add another requirement.

[1:17:40] Reference everything that thing.

[1:17:41] They put their own numbers on here because I can I can get the plans from the architect

[1:17:48] And go, oh, okay, where is this?

[1:17:51] It's on page of, yeah.

[1:17:55] A desk.

[1:17:55] And you can just write it in there.

[1:17:57] Yeah.

[1:17:58] I notice we have, hey, I like it.

[1:18:01] We have Benchmark twice.

[1:18:03] But is that on the site plan and a different site plan?

[1:18:07] You just got construction building plans.

[1:18:09] Benchmark is number three.

[1:18:10] And then on the back, you have Benchmark again.

[1:18:13] Okay.

[1:18:14] Benchmark's on site plan and construction.

[1:18:16] I'm going to say that these are probably two different types of benchmarks.

[1:18:21] The benchmark on the site plan is the benchmark on the property market.

[1:18:28] I didn't change.

[1:18:28] Yeah, I'm super confused.

[1:18:29] Okay, so.

[1:18:30] Do we need to put that on the screen?

[1:18:32] Nope.

[1:18:33] Well, a property benchmark is a surveyor's tool.

[1:18:41] Under elevations, what we might want to consider is we have a construction benchmark,

[1:18:49] which is something the construction guy, if I'm wrong here, please interrupt.

[1:18:55] The construction guy places a benchmark, so he can tell what is level and where the grade is.

[1:19:04] And from that benchmark, that's where we start measuring the 25 feet.

[1:19:10] So what's the cycling benchmark?

[1:19:12] That's a construction, that's a surveyor's benchmark.

[1:19:17] So then I need to clarify that.

[1:19:19] Would you call it a surveyor's benchmark?

[1:19:23] Well, that's the one on the property line.

[1:19:25] Yeah.

[1:19:25] That's the one you're requiring.

[1:19:27] What would you call it?

[1:19:29] I have no idea.

[1:19:30] I'm not a surveyor.

[1:19:31] I have a high-pitched property line benchmark.

[1:19:34] The benchmark for a great benchmark is.

[1:19:37] Yeah, and then then under elevations I might consider calling it a construction

[1:19:42] benchmark. But what I'm saying is like you have the list starting right here

[1:19:46] construction building plans, right? Yeah. And it goes through and then you turn the

[1:19:51] page and it almost duplicates it exactly. Oh, oh, that's where you are. Yeah. Okay,

[1:19:58] we don't need to do that twice. Yeah, we don't need elevations, benchmark, and

[1:20:03] I mean, it's identical, you know, we do see this, right here, same over here.

[1:20:17] Yeah, this is definitely clearer, it's getting better for us to find something.

[1:20:20] No, not all of it.

[1:20:22] Getting easier for us to find our muscles.

[1:20:24] Well, it's just not.

[1:20:26] Yeah, but we have different.

[1:20:27] We don't need that choice.

[1:20:30] Our value is not there.

[1:20:32] I think something's out.

[1:20:34] Do we have LOD fence on the first page?

[1:20:37] Yeah.

[1:20:38] Okay, let's get rid of LOD fence on the second page.

[1:20:42] Limits of disturbance fence on the second page.

[1:20:46] Cross that out.

[1:20:50] Limits of disturbance fence because it's already on the first page.

[1:20:53] We're on page number two.

[1:20:59] Yeah, elevations, bench bar, and it's a disturbance, but it's in there better, so let's.

[1:21:06] All right, here in the back.

[1:21:08] Yeah.

[1:21:08] Okay.

[1:21:09] I think that's the last one.

[1:21:11] Elevations.

[1:21:12] Am I wrong?

[1:21:12] Is that the only three?

[1:21:13] From bench mark.

[1:21:15] Right.

[1:21:15] And then also, here on the site corner, we have bench lock.

[1:21:18] And then here on the construction building bar.

[1:21:20] That's what we're just talking about.

[1:21:22] Okay.

[1:21:22] Where are you saying construction building plans?

[1:21:26] Well, I'm just,

[1:21:31] again, here's the list of requirements, right?

[1:21:34] Here's those right here, bench marks, the elevations, and then here, again, it's saying,

[1:21:39] bench marks, construction building.

[1:21:41] So, now I'm going to say there's two different bench marks.

[1:21:44] The site plan should have a surveyor's property-mind bench mark.

[1:21:51] Okay.

[1:21:52] And then the construction plan has the construction bench.

[1:21:54] Instruction ventures in the elevations. Yeah, so the so the grades we do the grade by that benchmark

[1:22:00] Yeah, I'm gonna eat these walnuts and I'm gonna have an allergic reaction right now

[1:22:05] So just to make this meeting

[1:22:07] In my car I have been real. Are you not I have been a drill, too?

[1:22:14] You start slow enough. I'm just gonna shoot you in

[1:22:19] Okay, are we good?

[1:22:24] I

[1:22:24] work meeting. I'll second it. I'll serve it.

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