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Gentlemen, if you'll gather around,
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we'll begin. And ladies,
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first of all, I would like to welcome
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all of y'all to the October
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Public Works and Planning Commission
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meeting. This is our first meeting for
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the new commission. I welcome all the
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new commissioners to this meeting. Uh I
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welcome our mayor Randy Allen to the
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meeting. It's very different for at
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least the last four years to have him
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sitting at the bench in a public works
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meeting, but he's more than welcome to
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be here.
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Rachel, if you would call the role.
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Commissioner Clark
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>> here.
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>> Commissioner Dodie
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>> here.
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>> Commissioner Kush
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>> present.
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>> Commissioner McGawan
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>> here.
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>> Commissioner P
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>> here.
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>> Commissioner Watts
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>> here.
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>> Chairman Piery
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>> here.
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>> We have a quorum.
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>> Before we get started, I would like to
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introduce myself. My name is Steve
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Piery. I'm the chair of this uh planning
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uh public works and planning commission.
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I'd like for Mike Kush to stand up. He's
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our vice chair.
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So, everybody will know who everybody
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is.
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We have four new commissioners here.
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We'll start with the lady on the right.
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I'd like you to stand up, introduce
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yourself, tell us who you are.
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>> Hello. I'm Commissioner Kathy Watts. I
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represent District 16.
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>> Welcome.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Next,
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I'm Brendan Dowy and I represent
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District 13.
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Next,
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Commissioner Laura Clark representing
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District 21.
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And next,
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>> Shawn McGowan, District 15.
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>> Now, they know who all of you are, and
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they know who to call when they have a
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complaint. But we have Mr. P in the
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back, too. I missed him sitting on the
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back row. He's one of our elder, like
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Mr. Kush and myself, you know. Uh
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[laughter] we're we're old players here.
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[laughter]
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» That's tomorrow night.
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» And Rachel tells me we have no public
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comments.
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So we will move on to planning and
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engineering
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director Doug Damasi.
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I'm going to ask something dear. Y'all
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gonna get tired of me. Anyway, I'm going
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to ask something different of all the
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department heads. When you come up to
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the whale, tell us who you are and give
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us just a twominut splurge on what your
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office does.
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» Oh, you want him to hear you? Okay. Be
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>> nice. [laughter]
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>> Thank you.
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Mr. Chairman, and good
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evening, everyone. Hope everybody's
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doing well tonight. I'm Doug Damasi. I
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am the planning director for Rutherford
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County. I've been with the county now
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for a little over 20 years. I've been
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planning director for a little over 19.
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Our office, uh, planning and
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engineering, we're a joint department.
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Mike Hughes is the county engineer. We
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work pretty closely together. Uh, we
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handle a lot of the zoning and
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development issues that come to the
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county. We also do a lot of plat and
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plan review. New subdivisions, new site
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plans for new uh, commercial or
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non-residential buildings. Those come
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through our office. We also do things
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like uh reviewing of construction
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drawings for new subdivisions after a
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preliminary plan is approved. Then the
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next step is construction drawing as
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that comes through us. We also handle
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any kind of long range planning uh you
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know ordinance changes, things like that
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to the zoning ordinance and or the
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subdivision regulations. Uh something
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that we do that a lot of people don't
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realize in our office is we handle the
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addressing for the unincorporated areas
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of Rutherford County. So all the numbers
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that you see especially at least in the
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unincorporated areas uh those at some
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point in the past have been assigned by
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our office. So each municipality handles
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their own we don't handle the addressing
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or planning responsibilities or
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engineering responsibilities for the
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municipalities. They have their own
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staffs that handle those kind of things.
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So that's just a quick blurb about what
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our office does. Does anybody have any
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questions or anything?
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If not I will jump into our report. Uh
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since we have several new commissioners
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and uh Mayor Allen as well, uh I will
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just kind of give a brief overview of
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what we typically report when we handle
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these. Uh the first thing we do is look
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at our available lot inventory. You'll
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see there's a couple of folders on
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there. That's not typical of what you'll
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see on your SharePoints. You'll see that
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there's a line there or a file there for
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August, but also a file there for
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September. That's just because public
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works didn't meet last month. So I had
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two months worth. Uh I probably just I'm
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just going to really give you an update
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over on September since that's the most
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recent one. Uh but you'll see in the
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available lot inventory. It's there's
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two separate parts of this report. Uh
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the first part of the report are
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available lots. Those are lots that are
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on the ground currently that could be
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issued building permits tomorrow if
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somebody were to come in. You'll see
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that that total available lot inventory
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right now is at 954. You'll find that on
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page six of nine pages. Uh the rest of
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that report is subdivision plats that
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have not been recorded. They're in some
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part of the approval process,
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preliminary. There's a final plat that's
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been approved and it just hasn't been
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recorded yet. So as one goes up, the
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other one typically goes down. I usually
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just report on the lot inventory. You
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can see that with 954 that's down from
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this time last year, which was at 995.
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Lately, this number has been fluctuating
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quite a bit. um it's been going down and
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you'll see that there is a file on your
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iPads as well in that same folder with
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September. There's a chart. I like to
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put that chart in quarterly just kind of
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gives you an idea of what the trend line
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looks like. We started tracking this
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back in 2004 at the time uh Mayor Ernest
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Burgess and I sat down. Uh this would
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have been after he was elected somewhere
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in 2006 2007 time frame and asked about
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hey how could we start tracking this? We
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came up with a, for lack of a better
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word, an arbitrary date of 2004, January
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1st. We started at that point. We had to
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start somewhere. So, we started it there
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and we've been tracking it monthly
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since. So, that just gives you just a
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quick overview of that, what the trend
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line looks like. You'll see that really
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for the most part this year, the trend
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line's been going down. There is a
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little bit of a blip in the summer where
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it kind of went up a little bit. We just
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haven't seen as many of our larger
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subdivisions subdivision sections be
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recorded. And building permit activity,
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which director Bell will speak about
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here a little later, just has been
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lighter this year than what we've
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anticipated or expected from years past.
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So, that just gives you a quick overview
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of the available lot inventory. So,
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that's something we pass along just for
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your information every meeting. Uh, if
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there's no questions on that, I will
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jump into the other part of our report
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and that is our resoning report. Sir,
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>> if Mr. Chair, if I may,
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>> Doug, would you explain for the group,
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the new group, [snorts]
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>> uh, again, what the definition
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um of a of a nonrecorded plat is, the 5,898 lots?
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>> Yes, sir.
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>> Would you explain the difference between
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the two?
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>> Yes, sir. The first part of that report,
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the 954
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lots, those plats have been reviewed,
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those plats have been approved, those
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plats have been recorded, and somebody
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could come in and take out a building
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permit. The rest of that report from
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pages seven throughout the end of the
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report, those are plats and plans in
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various stages of development. For
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instance, there may be a preliminary
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plan that was approved but under
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construction right now, but no plats
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have been recorded for new lots. It
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could be just remaining lots like on
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that first page like Brewer Point's a
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good example. Um that preliminary plan
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was approved back in 2021. There are
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still 68 lots that are out that have not
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been recorded in that subdivision. So,
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they're still working through uh plats
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that they have been recorded
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in that one. But that's pretty much it.
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That wasn't a very big subdivision, but
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that just gives you an idea. So these
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part of the report is just saying, okay,
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these are plats that have been record
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I'm sorry, have been approved by the
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planning commission, but have not been
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recorded for any building permit
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activity yet. So you can see as as
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Commissioner Kush was talking about, you
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got close to five uh 6,000 lots that are
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still in some stage of of the approval
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process, but not recorded yet. And I
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will reiterate that this is just for the
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unincorporated area. This does not count
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anything inside Murphy'sboro, Smyrna,
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Lever, or Eagleville.
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>> So, just a quick question. Is there a
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statute of limitations on
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when a subdivision plat can be recorded?
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Because some some I see like 20 years
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old.
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>> Yeah. And some of them are uh there are
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vesting laws with the state of Tennessee
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and TCA. Uh typically once you see a
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preliminary plans approved and you have
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um plats that are recorded off of that
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from our standpoint that I pretty much
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locks it in. Some of these have been
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like you said existence for some time.
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There may be some that these are
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existing sections that uh like Davenport
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seation is a good example. There was
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older portions of that. Then there were
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some newer portions of that one. So
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that's why some of those seem as old as
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they are. But to answer your question,
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yes, there are there's vesting issues.
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So you just we have to everyone's kind
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of done on a case- by case basis. So
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it's hard to give a blanket statement on
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that.
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Any other questions?
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» Question please.
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>> More.
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>> So when they when [clears throat] they
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are approved and and they but they are
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not recorded, what are they approved
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for? They're approved for the start of
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the development of the lots. Like for
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instance, a preliminary plan. After a
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preliminary plan, which is basically the
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master plan is approved. The next step
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is construction drawings. That's not
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something the planning commission sees,
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but that's something that our staff
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review. So the preliminary plan is the
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master plan for the entire development.
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The construction plans are for
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individual sections. So typically what
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happens is after a preliminary plan
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approval the next step is they start
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submitting construction drawings for
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section one and then sometimes they may
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submit a couple but generally it's just
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for the first sections. So it just means
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that they have the ability to move
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forward to the next step of the
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subdivision process
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>> and and just for clarity for me
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following Commissioner McGowan's
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question once they're approved is that
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indefinite or
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>> it's not indefinite. Now, like I said,
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there are vesting requirements.
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>> Yes.
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>> So, let's let's just use like today's
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standards because some of these laws
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were in effect after some of these
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subdivisions were approved, these older
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ones. So, when it comes to vesting, for
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instance, let's say some of these newer
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subdivisions, the way the state law
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reads, they've got three years to start
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getting some sort of construction
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drawings approved, start prepping the
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site for site work. If they do a certain
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amount of work based on that, then they
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are vested for an additional two years.
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Then if they start construction, then
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they're vested. I think it's another
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five years after that. It's it it's in
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the law. It's frankly it's kind of
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convoluted the way the law is written,
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but uh that that's something that we we
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keep up with. Yes, ma'am.
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>> Thank you.
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» All right. There's no other questions.
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We will go ahead and jump into the
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resoning report. Every month, well
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almost every month, we typically at the
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planning commission will consider
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resoning cases. For resoning cases, the
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planning commission is just a
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recommending body. So they will make a
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recommendation on a zoning change and
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then that recommendation comes typically
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the following month to the board of
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commissioners and we report on that
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activity at this meeting. So you'll see
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at September's meeting, this the
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September 14th meeting, there were two
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resoning requests and I'll discuss those
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briefly. Typically at this meeting, we
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will if there's no meeting in July, we
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will also have resonings on here from
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August, but this year there were no
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August resoning requests. So really, we
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just have this the two that you see on
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your agendas for September. So that
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first one is by Tom Moon for Saddlewood
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Development. This is along Franklin
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Road, which is in Commissioner
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McMurray's district. Two tracks of land.
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The existing zoning for those tracks is
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planned unit development, and they're
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asking to be zoned back to residential
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medium density. As way of a little bit
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of background and history on this, the
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planned development application for
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these properties were approved back in
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2019. There was also an amendment making
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it an aged targeted community that was
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approved by the board of commissioners
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back in April of 2021. The pattern book
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indicated a total of 124 town home town home units which were going to be
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built in fourunit buildings and I've
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included minutes from those meetings
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with the agenda packets just to give you
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a little bit of background on that. The
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planning commission also saw a site plan
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for town home construction. They did
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begin construction on access drives
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within the development but then the
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development just ceased. They never did
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complete that. So, at this point, the
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developer of the property, the owner,
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uh, is looking to develop this in a
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different manner. Instead of doing town
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homes, they would like to resone it back
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to residential medium density, which is
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one of our base zonings in the
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unincorporated area, which stands for
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residential medium density. So, they're
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asking to zone it back from plan
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development to residential medium
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density. In your agenda packets, you'll
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see that there is a concept plan. I do
[14:09]
want to state, just so everybody
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understands, approval of a zoning change
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Well, what they're asking for does not
[14:16]
approve the concept plan. Okay, that's
[14:19]
just showing what possibly could happen
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with this. There are probably going to
[14:22]
be some changes. If this were to be
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approved, then they would go through the
[14:25]
result or I'm sorry, the subdivision
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process, kind of what we were talking
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about just a moment ago, preliminary
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plan, construction drawings, those kind
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of things. So, the concept plan is just
[14:33]
that. It is not binding, but it does
[14:35]
give you an idea of how they would like
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to progress. This property does have
[14:39]
access along Frank Franklin Road. Uh T
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do DOT approval would be required for
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any new or improved access points. The
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applicants are planning to use the
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existing access point that was granted
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for the town home development which does
[14:51]
include turn lanes which you can see on
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the concept plan. Uh county schools took
[14:57]
a look at this as well. Uh we did relay
[14:59]
their concerns to you actually a little
[15:01]
fur uh earlier in the report. You can
[15:03]
see that there are some comments from
[15:05]
the
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uh schools about what they wanted to to
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see on that. basically that a lot of
[15:11]
their concerns. Oh, I'm sorry. Here, uh,
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sub streets would need to be 0.2 miles
[15:16]
or shorter unless a turnaround is
[15:18]
provided. These are things we would look
[15:19]
at during the subdivision process should
[15:21]
this application be approved. But yeah,
[15:23]
that's just a little earlier in the
[15:25]
staff report. You also see that we
[15:28]
describe the landscaping and buffering.
[15:29]
Uh, this would be a residential single
[15:31]
family development. Should the zoning be
[15:33]
approved, then something move forward.
[15:35]
So, that's not anything that would be
[15:37]
required at that time. neither would the
[15:38]
performance standards apply. Typically,
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I like to give a recap of what happened
[15:42]
at the planning commission meeting and
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you'll see that in the staff report as
[15:46]
well. So, commissioners had questions
[15:48]
about the public notice of the meeting,
[15:50]
access to the property, traffic issues,
[15:52]
including the future widening of
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Franklin Road. We discussed our
[15:55]
notification protocol. We discussed the
[15:57]
number of access points. There is one
[15:59]
primary access point, but also one for
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emergency access, which was part of the
[16:02]
original uh town home development. and
[16:05]
also future plans for Franklin Road at
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some point. We know that's going to be
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widened to five lanes. It's not on T
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DOT's 10-year plan right now. Frank
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Franklin Road is a state road, so of
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course they'll be the ones that will be
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responsible for uh driving that project.
[16:19]
Uh there were some comments as well
[16:21]
during the public hearing about property
[16:22]
boundaries and blasting. Uh following
[16:25]
the public hearing, the commission had
[16:26]
concerns about having less control over
[16:28]
an RM development than a plan
[16:30]
development in school capacity. Uh the
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applicant's representative came forward
[16:34]
to address questions as to why the
[16:35]
change was being requested. Basically,
[16:37]
the market forces as they see them are
[16:39]
not favorable for town home
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construction. And again, I emphasize
[16:42]
that this is only for the zoning of the
[16:44]
property. This would not approve the
[16:46]
concept plan. So, following that
[16:48]
discussion, the planning commission
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recommended approval of the application
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by a unanimous vote. Uh I will move on
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to the second, then we'll entertain
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questions on either case. If you just
[16:58]
bear with me a second as I navigate.
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The second item is for a piece of
[17:03]
property on Burnt Knob Road. This is in
[17:05]
Commissioner James' district. They are
[17:07]
asking for zoning from residential
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medium density to commercial services.
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Uh just for the new commissioners,
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commercial services is kind of what I
[17:15]
would call our middle of the road zoning
[17:17]
for commercial uses. We've got three
[17:20]
commercial zones. We've got commercial
[17:21]
neighborhood, commercial service, and
[17:23]
commercial general. uh commercial center
[17:25]
is sorry commercial service is kind of
[17:27]
the center of the road of the three. So
[17:29]
it doesn't allow things like auto sales
[17:32]
and things like that but it does allow a
[17:34]
lot of other retail. So just to give you
[17:35]
an idea uh this property has been the
[17:38]
subject of two resoning requests since
[17:40]
2018. Uh in 2018 the application was for
[17:43]
CS as well. Uh it was in response to a
[17:46]
zoning enforcement case. They were
[17:47]
operating construction business on the
[17:49]
property. That recommend application was
[17:51]
recommended for denial by the planning
[17:53]
commission and also by the board of
[17:54]
commissioners was denied in April of
[17:56]
2018. Couple years later, the
[17:58]
application came forward uh an
[18:00]
application came forward for office
[18:02]
professional which is a lighter zone.
[18:04]
Doesn't allow a lot of commercial type
[18:05]
uses, retail, those kind of things, but
[18:07]
does allow a lot of office uses, but
[18:09]
that was also denied as well. The
[18:12]
applicant again proposing to ask for
[18:14]
commercial service zoning for use as a
[18:16]
construction business. Uh the existing
[18:18]
house will be converted into an office
[18:20]
and there are plans to add a second
[18:22]
structure on the property as well. Uh
[18:24]
this use is classified as a construction
[18:26]
sales and service which is allowed by
[18:28]
right in the CS zone. The [snorts]
[18:30]
applicant held a neighborhood meeting on
[18:32]
August 6th. Staff was present myself. Uh
[18:34]
there were questions about activity on
[18:36]
the property but from our viewpoint just
[18:38]
from what I saw there did not appear to
[18:39]
be much opposition to the request. I'd
[18:41]
say there's probably about 10 people
[18:42]
that were there. Uh you'll see that
[18:44]
there is a concept plan in the staff
[18:46]
report as well. The access is shown onto
[18:49]
Bertnob road in the parking area between
[18:51]
the existing house and proposed
[18:52]
structure. We have not required a
[18:54]
traffic study at this point, but we
[18:56]
could in the future if this is approved
[18:58]
and they do submit a site plan and we
[18:59]
felt that one was warranted. And any
[19:03]
uh any development of the site, it
[19:05]
should just be approved. It have to have
[19:06]
an engineered site plan which would be
[19:08]
considered by the planning commission.
[19:10]
Uh landscape and screening is also
[19:11]
discussed. This would require type two
[19:13]
buffers along their property lines
[19:14]
adjacent to any residential property
[19:16]
lines and performance standards would
[19:19]
also apply. Uh prior to the public
[19:21]
hearing, the planning commission had
[19:22]
questions about the zoning of adjacent
[19:24]
properties which staff explained using
[19:26]
RGIS the maps that we have up at the
[19:28]
meeting. Uh there were no other
[19:29]
questions. Nobody spoke during the
[19:31]
public hearing. Following the public
[19:32]
hearing, the planning commissioner
[19:34]
recommended approval of the request by a
[19:36]
vote of nine for and one against. I will
[19:39]
say that in the staff report, you'll see
[19:41]
that uh for staff's recommendation. Uh I
[19:45]
know that in the past this has been to
[19:46]
the commission a couple of different
[19:47]
times. However, there have been some
[19:49]
other zoning changes in the area, most
[19:51]
notably the expansion of the Rogers
[19:52]
Group Corey to the northnortheast.
[19:55]
So staff felt a little more comfortable
[19:57]
about it now than we did in the past. So
[19:59]
with that, I'll be happy to answer any
[20:01]
questions that you may have on either of
[20:03]
these zoning cases.
[20:10]
How many homes are in the the first
[20:13]
reszone? The Franklin Road approximately
[20:17]
how many homes are they going to try to
[20:18]
put there?
[20:18]
>> Oh, you mean under their concept plan?
[20:20]
Okay, let me I think it's around 90 to
[20:22]
100 somewhere in that range if I
[20:23]
remember right now. Again, that's not
[20:26]
the approved plan. So, a lot of it will
[20:27]
come back to what kind of soil they end
[20:29]
up getting and different things, road
[20:31]
layouts, those kind of things, but it
[20:33]
looked like about 90 to 100
[20:41]
Miss Watt.
[20:42]
>> Yes. Um, so how large are the lots? Say
[20:47]
is that 1.01 and two? Is that one and
[20:50]
two acre lots? Is that what that means?
[20:52]
>> No, those are the par uh those are lot
[20:54]
numbers is what you're seeing. 101 102.
[20:56]
So now several of these lots are like
[20:58]
step lots, detention ponds, things like
[21:00]
that. Actual residential lots. I think
[21:02]
it's closer, like I said, somewhere
[21:03]
between 90 and 100. The minimum lot size
[21:05]
in the RM district is 15,000 square
[21:07]
feet, which is about a third of an acre.
[21:10]
>> Okay.
[21:20]
» Are there any more questions for Mr.
[21:22]
Deos?
[21:27]
Um, so originally it was um denied by
[21:31]
the planning commission because of the
[21:34]
blast concerns and things.
[21:36]
>> Which case are we talking about? I'm
[21:38]
sorry.
[21:38]
>> The B
[21:39]
>> the second one.
[21:40]
>> Yes.
[21:41]
>> Okay. No, the second one I think it was
[21:43]
originally denied. I just think at the
[21:45]
time the planning commission nor the
[21:47]
county commission felt it was an
[21:49]
appropriate use of the land at the time.
[21:51]
But like I said, some of the land use in
[21:52]
that area has kind of evolved and
[21:53]
changed. So
[22:00]
Doug, on the A project,
[22:04]
>> does it change the density of the homes
[22:06]
by going from a PUB down to residential
[22:09]
medium density?
[22:11]
>> Well, you're getting they're proposing
[22:13]
less houses. So, the density that you
[22:16]
would get would be consistent with
[22:18]
what's allowed in RM. So, the same
[22:21]
amount of acreage is actually going to
[22:22]
have less lots. So I guess to answer
[22:24]
your question, it would reduce that.
[22:25]
Yes, sir.
[22:26]
>> Thank you.
[22:29]
>> So it would essentially be I guess
[22:32]
larger homes to make up for that and
[22:34]
more expensive homes.
[22:36]
>> You know, without knowing the zoning
[22:38]
doesn't dictate the size of the homes,
[22:39]
just dictates the lot size. Now, I don't
[22:43]
think what you're saying is necessarily
[22:45]
inaccurate. Uh but I know that town
[22:48]
homes weren't really what the they felt
[22:50]
the market could bear. So, with a 15,000
[22:53]
foot house or a lot, you could have a
[22:55]
bigger uh envelope for a bigger house.
[22:57]
Yes.
[22:58]
>> Okay. I just know the concern for like
[22:59]
more affordable homes and
[23:01]
>> um you would think that um apartments or
[23:05]
um town homes would be more beneficial.
[23:08]
Um
[23:09]
>> well, they were looking to do more of
[23:11]
like an age targeted type situation or
[23:13]
even to some extent age restricted uh
[23:15]
>> age. Oh, like a like a
[23:17]
>> similar the the development right next
[23:19]
door to this uh the Southern Harmony
[23:21]
development. It's an age restricted
[23:22]
community. You have to be 55 okay or
[23:24]
older to to live in that development.
[23:27]
They were doing something similar with
[23:28]
this. Uh originally this what they're
[23:31]
proposing now there would be no age
[23:33]
restriction. It would just be you know
[23:34]
market whatever dictate.
[23:38]
>> And you're just reporting to us. We're
[23:39]
not voting yes or no as to whether or
[23:41]
not we approve these.
[23:43]
>> Oh, for this meeting today? Yeah. We're
[23:45]
just presenting what happened. These are
[23:47]
going to come to public hearing next
[23:48]
week at the county. Yes. Yes, ma'am.
[23:49]
You're not You're not
[23:50]
>> You're just letting us know what's going
[23:51]
on.
[23:52]
>> That's correct. Thank you.
[23:53]
>> Yes, ma'am.
[23:56]
» I'll make a motion to approve.
[24:00]
>> All in favor say I.
[24:02]
>> I.
[24:03]
>> Nay. Motion pass.
[24:06]
>> Yes, sir. Uh just I know there's been a
[24:08]
lot of uh interest and discussion
[24:10]
regarding the upcoming public hearing
[24:13]
this coming Monday at the planning
[24:15]
commission for the data center
[24:16]
moratorum. I just wanted to kind of just
[24:18]
make sure everybody was aware of that.
[24:20]
Uh I'm sure everybody here probably
[24:21]
knows that but at the planning
[24:23]
commission on Monday we'll have a public
[24:24]
hearing. We've got some other ones too
[24:26]
for resonings but but that is going to
[24:28]
be coming up on Monday for discussion on
[24:30]
that resolution. So just
[24:31]
>> what what is the course of action? So
[24:34]
say a moratorum gets approved Monday.
[24:37]
What are the following steps? Does it go
[24:39]
directly to the county commission or
[24:41]
does it come here first?
[24:42]
>> Well, what will happen? Right. What'll
[24:43]
happen is the planning commission will
[24:45]
make a recommendation kind of like we do
[24:46]
for any kind of a resoning. So after
[24:48]
that meeting then yes, it'll come to
[24:50]
public works and planning committee here
[24:53]
at that be in November and we would then
[24:56]
at before that we would advertise it for
[24:58]
a public hearing at the board of
[25:00]
commissioners November meeting. So
[25:02]
that's kind of what the general
[25:04]
guideline, general schedule would be for
[25:06]
that. Yes, sir. [clears throat]
[25:09]
>> Doug, you didn't mention what time
[25:10]
Monday.
[25:11]
>> Oh, I'm sorry. 6 o'clock in this room.
[25:14]
Thank you.
[25:23]
» It's a 6 p.m. The the evening meeting 6
[25:26]
p.m. The second Yeah, I'm sorry.
[25:28]
Planning Commission meets twice a month
[25:29]
except for November and December because
[25:31]
the holidays, but the second Monday of
[25:33]
the month is the evening meeting where
[25:35]
we look at resonings and then the fourth
[25:37]
Monday of the month, the one we just
[25:38]
had, is a 9:00 a.m. morning meeting. So,
[25:40]
we're doing plats and plans at that
[25:41]
meeting. Yes, ma'am.
[25:46]
» Thank you, Doug.
[25:47]
>> Great. Thank you. Thank you all.
[25:51]
>> The next item on our agenda will be from
[25:54]
the highway department superintendent,
[25:56]
Mr. Greg Brooks.
[26:04]
» Welcome, Mr. Brooks.
[26:05]
>> Good evening.
[26:08]
>> How is everyone? Uh, I'll start off with
[26:12]
saying Doug's always been a hard act to
[26:14]
follow. He's very well spoken and always
[26:16]
has his stuff together. So, I'll do the
[26:19]
best I can to follow up what Doug what
[26:22]
Doug says. Okay. So, I am the road
[26:24]
superintendent, elected road
[26:25]
superintendent. I've been uh I took
[26:27]
office in 2012 and this is I'm assuming
[26:29]
that you want us all a little overview.
[26:31]
>> Yes, sir.
[26:33]
>> So, I took office in 2012. Uh I run the
[26:37]
highway department. The highway
[26:38]
department is responsible for
[26:40]
maintaining our county roads. Um we do
[26:44]
our own paving
[26:47]
uh with the exception of when we uh
[26:49]
contract out some state aid work. We do
[26:52]
our mowing. We have construction crew.
[26:56]
Uh we we do our own trucking for our
[26:58]
paving operation. And we also under the
[27:01]
umbrella of the highway department, we
[27:03]
have the public works department. The
[27:05]
public works department was organized
[27:06]
back in uh Commissioner P can probably
[27:09]
help me with this around 2002 2004 I
[27:12]
believe and it was uh put in place to
[27:15]
try to alleviate some uh localized
[27:20]
flooding concerns, drainage concerns.
[27:24]
So, because the highway department by
[27:27]
state law can only work on the road and
[27:29]
the roadside ditch, the public works
[27:32]
department can go off of the uh rightway
[27:36]
that exist in the road book and and
[27:39]
enter private property with an easement
[27:41]
from those property owners. So, that's
[27:43]
kind of an overview of of what we do and kind of who does what. I'm here
[27:50]
tonight to Well, let me back up a little
[27:54]
bit. The any we have a we have a seven
[27:58]
member elected roadboard and uh we they
[28:02]
meet once a month to uh discuss the
[28:05]
finances and concerns of their
[28:07]
constituents and and anything highway
[28:10]
department/public work department
[28:12]
related. We will discuss. Any action
[28:16]
taken at that meeting will that that
[28:20]
would need to be forwarded on to the
[28:22]
full county commission would come here
[28:24]
next to the public works planning
[28:26]
department for routing for lack of a
[28:29]
better for lack of a better definition.
[28:32]
It could be that if it's it's if it's a
[28:34]
financial thing, it could be uh that the
[28:37]
next stop for it after this would be to
[28:41]
send it to the budget committee or it
[28:43]
could be that it could go from this
[28:46]
committee straight to the county
[28:47]
commission depending on what it is,
[28:50]
whether or not I guess really whether or
[28:52]
not we're spending money. Uh so
[28:55]
any any action taken at the road board
[29:00]
will this will be the next stop for it
[29:02]
on its way to the full commission.
[29:04]
So tonight what we have for you is some
[29:08]
public works uh
[29:12]
drainage e temporary drainage easements
[29:15]
temporary construction easements. Um I
[29:18]
have for you and I think you have them
[29:20]
too. Uh couple from September because as
[29:24]
you know this this this uh committee did
[29:26]
not meet in September. So these were uh
[29:31]
taken at the September roadboard meeting
[29:36]
and then have some from our last road
[29:40]
war meeting yesterday morning which
[29:41]
would have been October the October
[29:43]
meeting. So typically on something like
[29:46]
these drainage echments, we would group
[29:48]
them all together and you know I'd
[29:51]
present them all and you'd approve them
[29:53]
all at one time. But since we have two
[29:54]
months, let's do September and then
[29:56]
we'll do October.
[29:59]
So for September we have u
[30:03]
drainage easements on Pawa Springs Road
[30:09]
and what these are for is we are doing a
[30:12]
project
[30:14]
on Paw Springs Road where we're doing a
[30:17]
covert relline
[30:20]
uh and that is contracted work.
[30:23]
We bid that work out, but the uh work
[30:27]
will exceed the existing rideway. So, we
[30:30]
had to get some temporary construction
[30:32]
easements to allow that contractor to
[30:34]
come in and do the work. So, that's what happened in September. These
[30:40]
are temporary construction easements to
[30:42]
facilitate allow for the contractor to
[30:44]
come in and make those covert
[30:47]
improvements.
[30:53]
We'll need a motion to approve his
[30:55]
September easements.
[30:58]
>> Making a motion to approve.
[31:00]
>> Second.
[31:01]
>> We have a motion and a second. Do we
[31:03]
need to roll call this? There's money
[31:05]
involved.
[31:10]
» All in favor say I.
[31:13]
>> Opposed. Motion passes. Carry on, Mr.
[31:16]
Brook.
[31:17]
>> Okay. Next we have uh
[31:20]
a couple on um
[31:25]
what we're going to call this is more of
[31:28]
what we do dayto-day is it's a uh trying
[31:31]
to alleviate some drainage.
[31:34]
Um, typically
[31:37]
we we go in and
[31:40]
we have to be very careful when we when
[31:42]
we start talking about drainage uh
[31:45]
problems because we we have to account
[31:47]
for the water. We can't just move it
[31:48]
downstream. We have to count account for it. So these however are to
[31:55]
clean up an existing drainage easement a
[31:58]
platted drainage easement that is not
[32:00]
part of the public works drainage e
[32:04]
easement system. So we're going to go in
[32:06]
is is more really it's more vegetation
[32:09]
removal uh than it is uh dirt work so to
[32:13]
speak. uh they they've become overgrown.
[32:16]
The uh they've gotten away from the from
[32:19]
the subsequent property owners. I think
[32:21]
there about four or five that are
[32:23]
involved in this and they're just more
[32:25]
than they can do on their own. So, we're
[32:27]
going to go in and clean up the debris
[32:32]
and overgrowth and get it back to a
[32:35]
state where it can be maintained by the
[32:39]
uh adjoining property owners moving
[32:42]
forward. So, we don't have to have a
[32:44]
permanent easement. We can do a
[32:45]
temporary easement.
[32:47]
>> I'm sorry, sir. Um, which one did you
[32:49]
say this was? I was trying to find the
[32:51]
PDF.
[32:52]
>> I'm sorry.
[32:53]
>> This particular easement,
[32:55]
>> uh, it's Ventura Court and Reynolds
[32:57]
Drive.
[32:58]
>> Thank you.
[33:01]
And is it in the Fawnwood
[33:06]
subdivision, I believe, if I'm not
[33:07]
mistaken. Yes.
[33:12]
Sorry, I should have clarified.
[33:18]
But even though you see several, they all adjoin each other.
[33:30]
» We have a motion to approve.
[33:32]
>> Second.
[33:33]
>> We have a second.
[33:35]
Mr. P
[33:38]
>> Greg, is there ever occurrence where we
[33:41]
have to pay for these temporary
[33:42]
easements or any easements?
[33:46]
>> Public works has never had has never had
[33:48]
to do that. No. The only time that I've
[33:52]
ever seen anything like that happen is
[33:53]
when we're trying to uh maybe acquire a
[33:56]
rideway for road improvements, which is rare. We, you know, as you know, we really don't have
[34:03]
the funds available to acquire property.
[34:06]
We we a lot of times we can do the work,
[34:07]
but acquiring the property is a whole
[34:09]
different
[34:11]
>> most of these cases people have come to
[34:13]
us and have asked for this to be done.
[34:15]
>> Absolutely. Yes, sir.
[34:16]
>> On board with it,
[34:18]
>> Yes, sir.
[34:19]
>> Thank you,
[34:20]
>> Miss Watts.
[34:23]
Um, sir, this is on their property and
[34:26]
they've asked us to do it. So, do they
[34:27]
pay us anything or we do this out of the
[34:30]
goodness of our hearts?
[34:31]
>> It it is a service.
[34:32]
>> Okay.
[34:33]
>> It is a service.
[34:34]
>> Thank you, Mr. Clark. Mr. Chair, and to
[34:37]
follow up on that question, what what
[34:39]
criteria makes you decide yes, we're
[34:43]
going to do it when there's a request
[34:44]
made as opposed to no, that's really not
[34:47]
our
[34:49]
job to do. Well, it's always it's always
[34:52]
case by case, but in the case of the
[34:54]
ones you see in front of you tonight
[34:55]
that were that were accepted by the
[34:57]
board yesterday morning, the the
[35:00]
vegetation has gotten to the point where
[35:02]
it's going to start causing flooding and
[35:05]
the flooding the flooding will
[35:08]
show up as you know what I what I would
[35:11]
call nuisance water where it's in
[35:13]
somebody's yard and then it will expand
[35:15]
from that and then it starts doing you
[35:17]
know property damage. So in an effort to
[35:22]
cretail that because once that starts
[35:24]
happening they're they're absolutely
[35:26]
going to expect some you know relief. Uh
[35:29]
it it's difficult sometimes to to decide
[35:34]
which ones are good candidates and
[35:37]
viable and should should receive help
[35:41]
from the county because as you know we we can't spend anything we
[35:47]
didn't take from someone. That's just
[35:48]
the way it is. It's unfortunate truth.
[35:50]
So, uh, in most cases,
[35:55]
people people are receptive to allow us
[35:58]
to come in and do the work and then try
[36:01]
to maintain it themselves moving
[36:02]
forward. In some cases that they don't.
[36:06]
So, you know, at that point, they h they
[36:10]
have some personal responsibility,
[36:12]
accountability, I feel like. So, a lot
[36:15]
of times that would be the deciding
[36:17]
factor. Sounds like it's um you move
[36:20]
ahead and do the work if the situation
[36:23]
might result in a wider public damage or
[36:28]
um risk or danger.
[36:31]
>> Yes, ma'am. That that is accurate
[36:32]
>> beyond just one property owner's
[36:34]
property. When you talk about the
[36:37]
flooding, that's you never know what
[36:39]
that's going to affect. So,
[36:40]
>> yes. Yes, ma'am. That that that's very
[36:42]
accurate.
[36:42]
>> All right. Thank you,
[36:45]
Mr. P. When we originally
[36:49]
conceived of having a we call it an
[36:51]
infancy public works department, the
[36:54]
criteria for who would go on there first
[36:56]
was life safety. Uh second was property
[37:00]
damage. So that's kind of the criteria
[37:03]
that it started with. Uh most of the
[37:06]
ones especially the life threatening
[37:09]
ones we hope have all been taken care
[37:11]
of. If not, they're being looked at and
[37:15]
uh their board does a good job of
[37:17]
vetting these.
[37:19]
I know that. And our engineering
[37:22]
department,
[37:23]
you know, at one time all the
[37:25]
commissions were either rural or urban
[37:30]
when this started us rural say
[37:33]
Commissioner Piery nodding along is he
[37:35]
and I worked on this. uh Joe Frank
[37:37]
Jernigan, you know, all the royal
[37:39]
commissioners
[37:41]
u at that time didn't have urban, but we
[37:45]
needed some help. You know, if you're
[37:48]
city commissioner,
[37:50]
all you got to do is pick up the phone
[37:51]
if you're in Murphy'sboro and say, "Hey,
[37:53]
send public works out here and give me a
[37:55]
hand." That takes care of it. Life's
[37:57]
easy for a city commissioner sometimes,
[37:59]
but now we've got both. We got
[38:02]
commissioners that are both rural and
[38:04]
urban. And anyway, this was an attempt
[38:07]
to
[38:09]
get a public works department started
[38:12]
where we had extreme uh well danger. We
[38:17]
had property loss and there's danger of
[38:20]
people drowning from it. But anyway,
[38:23]
that's how we started and that's how we
[38:25]
actually said, "Hey, this is what we
[38:27]
want to do." But that money set aside in
[38:30]
the budget for them.
[38:33]
It's been a really good program over the
[38:34]
years in my opinion that they've done a
[38:36]
lot of good. They've helped a lot of pe,
[38:38]
you know, they the public works
[38:40]
department that have helped a lot of
[38:42]
people and you know, when it was
[38:43]
implemented, uh it it wouldn't it
[38:47]
wouldn't exist if it weren't for
[38:49]
commissioners like Commissioner P. I
[38:50]
mean, you know, he mentioned Joe Freight
[38:52]
Jernigan who's who's passed who was very
[38:55]
instrumental in in heading that up and
[38:58]
getting it off the ground and buying the
[39:00]
equipment and organizing the whole
[39:02]
thing. And it's been it's been a good
[39:05]
it's a very good asset for the county.
[39:06]
It's a very good department for the for
[39:08]
the county. There's no question about
[39:09]
that. uh we we do what we can with what
[39:12]
we have to work with, but unfortunately
[39:14]
a lot of times uh you we can't just like
[39:19]
I said we have to count for the water.
[39:20]
We can't just move it from one property
[39:22]
to the next property obviously but it
[39:25]
it's uh it's been it's been very
[39:28]
beneficial without question and they
[39:31]
over the years we we have undertaken
[39:33]
some very large very difficult projects and
[39:38]
accomplished quite a bit. So, and over
[39:43]
the over the years, you know, with the
[39:44]
development of, you know, the this is
[39:47]
going to sound ridiculous to someone as
[39:50]
young as M Mr.
[39:53]
[snorts] Dy here, but you know, when we started, we we didn't really
[39:58]
have we didn't really have the
[39:59]
technology available to us at at the
[40:02]
click of a a mouse. You know, we can we
[40:04]
can turn on topographical map right now
[40:06]
and see what the drainage basin looks
[40:08]
like. So, a lot of areas that were built
[40:11]
in back in the day that had had the
[40:15]
bene, you know, that public works
[40:17]
benefited trying to drain some of that
[40:18]
property um would not have happened had
[40:21]
we had the technology available to us to
[40:23]
our engineering department that that's
[40:25]
utilized now. So, it's not it's not as
[40:28]
bad as it was for sure.
[40:33]
» Abby,
[40:34]
>> um this is definitely beneficial. Um,
[40:37]
and like you said, it would cause us
[40:39]
flooding flooding if that vegetation
[40:41]
continued um to be there. Um, I just
[40:44]
want to know, is there any way that um,
[40:47]
you know, maybe the indigenous plant
[40:49]
rescue or anything, they could, um, kind
[40:51]
of, um, look over that and see if
[40:55]
there's any native or endangered species
[40:57]
that are there? Because I know they they
[40:59]
like to collect those kind of things
[41:00]
instead of just tearing it all down
[41:02]
without looking. Like, is that something
[41:03]
that um, has ever been done or can be
[41:06]
done? Well,
[41:07]
>> I know it's private property, but just
[41:09]
something that we could ask.
[41:11]
>> Typically,
[41:13]
that that type of problem could show up
[41:18]
in a in a stream bed. And most of the
[41:21]
areas that we work in are are
[41:26]
ditches that were cut into,
[41:29]
you know, subdivisions to to drain the
[41:34]
property. um to a pond, usually a a
[41:37]
detention pond or retention pond. So, a
[41:40]
lot of the endangered species don't
[41:42]
exist because it's very the the water
[41:45]
there is very intermittent.
[41:47]
>> Well, native species and like as well in
[41:50]
general.
[41:50]
>> I'm sorry.
[41:51]
>> Like native species as well, not not
[41:53]
just endangered. I'm sorry. I should you
[41:55]
know, just native species to Tennessee
[41:57]
um because there's an issue of those um
[42:02]
going away. So I was just asking that
[42:07]
>> well I I don't I don't know really how
[42:09]
to answer the question other than the
[42:10]
fact that you know we we are
[42:14]
unfortunately
[42:16]
we live in a society where you know
[42:18]
humans are going to come first and we we
[42:21]
try to be
[42:24]
mindful and respectful of our of our
[42:28]
plant life and animal life. But when you
[42:32]
know when we're following up behind a
[42:34]
development that has already put the
[42:37]
drainage system in place then we we have
[42:39]
to work we're you know having to work in
[42:41]
that area.
[42:41]
>> I understand. I just thought I'd ask
[42:43]
because I mean if we don't have
[42:45]
Tennessee native species we won't have
[42:47]
um bees and we won't have vegetation at
[42:49]
all. So um that's why I asked.
[42:52]
>> Yeah. Development development say put us
[42:54]
first. It's it's hard sometimes it's
[42:57]
hard to coexist with you know the amount
[42:59]
of growth we have and the development we
[43:00]
have and and
[43:03]
yeah there there has to be a balance
[43:05]
there. I agree. So, there's no way we
[43:06]
can partner if anyone knows. I'm sorry.
[43:08]
This is just There's no way we can
[43:10]
partner with anyone to uh see if there
[43:13]
is a salvageable native species that we
[43:17]
could because there there's um
[43:19]
indigenous plant rescues that they
[43:20]
collect things like that to grow them
[43:23]
and um plant them in areas that will
[43:26]
benefit the community as a whole. So, um
[43:30]
is there no way we can do that at all?
[43:33]
We can't even ask the owners.
[43:36]
>> Let let me intervene. Mr. Brooks,
[43:39]
what you're not understanding
[43:42]
is by the time Mr. Brooks gets to a site
[43:46]
to open these easements up. The damage
[43:50]
has already been done through excavation
[43:53]
for development. It's gone.
[43:55]
>> So, it's only like broken trees and
[43:57]
things like that. There's nothing
[44:00]
growing there.
[44:01]
>> Is that what you're saying? your your
[44:03]
questions I think would probably need to
[44:05]
go toward a developer because they get
[44:08]
there first. Mr. Brooks just second down
[44:11]
the line. The damage has done them been
[44:13]
done to what you're concerned about.
[44:16]
I will say that that we uh
[44:21]
we through through partnering with plan
[44:24]
engineering and storm water uh we we are
[44:27]
um we would be aware if if there was u a wetland for instance that that has
[44:34]
these native plants that are you know
[44:36]
indigenous of of a wetland or something
[44:38]
like that. So, so we have that tool in
[44:41]
our toolbox, so to speak, but partnering
[44:43]
with someone outside of there, I I I
[44:45]
really don't.
[44:46]
>> Well, that's good to know at least.
[44:48]
>> Can I Can I just add a couple things?
[44:50]
>> Absolutely.
[44:51]
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[44:52]
>> Yes,
[44:52]
>> Brendon. It was a good question. Uh
[44:56]
where
[44:59]
Greg Brooks is talking about are our
[45:01]
what used to be grass ditches, right? Uh
[45:06]
they are not meant to hold water. there.
[45:08]
It's a through drainage. So when you get
[45:10]
a heavy rain, the water just passes
[45:12]
right through
[45:12]
>> conveyance.
[45:13]
>> Yeah, exactly. Um over time,
[45:18]
these were not maintained, not mowed. So
[45:21]
you get large weeds, you get
[45:25]
>> woody bird. Yeah. Bird droppings create
[45:28]
seedlings that
[45:29]
>> So you have just nasty brush.
[45:33]
>> That's different than the wetlands you
[45:35]
just mentioned, right? where they will
[45:37]
for the most part hold some kind of a
[45:39]
water which then you're talking about
[45:41]
your critters and your your plants and
[45:44]
that's when typically the storm water
[45:46]
group or your your Rutherford County
[45:50]
I can never say this right your ar the
[45:52]
tree the tree guy or gal arborist or or
[45:56]
uh there's a native the the person that
[45:59]
studies the native species they'll come
[46:01]
in and they'll analyze what's going on
[46:04]
because we can't he can't we can't touch
[46:07]
a wetlands
[46:08]
>> right
[46:09]
>> uh not without a state permission
[46:13]
>> and then if you do disturb the wetlands
[46:15]
you got to create a new one somewhere
[46:17]
else you got to replace you got to
[46:19]
replace you do a credit right so it was
[46:22]
a good question it's just not applicable
[46:24]
to the kind of ditches or work that his
[46:27]
group is doing
[46:28]
>> right imagine if you will a ditch that
[46:31]
was cut through a subdivision 30 or 40
[46:33]
years ago that was just like
[46:36]
Commissioner Kush described, it was it
[46:38]
was just a water conveyance. Um, then
[46:42]
over time it could it could it be could
[46:45]
become overgrown or it could silt in
[46:48]
from um debris. Uh, you know, dirt moves
[46:53]
around. You you you have the natural
[46:56]
order of things. you know, leaves get
[46:59]
bound up. And so, a lot of times, all
[47:01]
we're doing is just getting it back to
[47:03]
the original flow. We're just removing
[47:06]
the sediment, if you will. For the most
[47:07]
part, that's that's about what we do
[47:09]
now, unless we're, you know, creating a
[47:11]
whole new a whole new drainage system,
[47:14]
which is which is rare currently. I
[47:16]
mean, it's just it doesn't really happen
[47:18]
much anymore. So, a lot of what we're
[47:20]
doing, what we're doing is is silt
[47:22]
removal.
[47:24]
So,
[47:26]
>> Mr. P,
[47:29]
>> I just wanted to point out that, of
[47:31]
course, you've got a couple of guys here
[47:33]
that are on planning, fix to be on
[47:36]
planning, and they'll find this out, but
[47:39]
we actually do look out for protective
[47:43]
animal life and plants in this
[47:46]
community. There are maps that are not
[47:49]
available to the public for some reasons
[47:52]
because we don't want to advertise where
[47:55]
some of these endangered animals or
[47:56]
plants are, but our staff is very much
[48:00]
aware that when development takes place
[48:02]
in this county, that is taken into
[48:04]
consideration. Uh I would advise you to
[48:07]
go over and speak to uh Mr. Deamasi
[48:10]
sometime since you've got a concern
[48:13]
about this. But anyway, just to let you
[48:15]
know, we don't just hill willy-nilly run
[48:19]
around planting subdivisions where they
[48:22]
shouldn't be planted. At least we
[48:24]
attempt not to. Thank you.
[48:28]
>> If there's no more questions for Mr.
[48:30]
Brooks, we already have a motion and a
[48:32]
second. All in favor of his report?
[48:36]
>> Nays. Motion carries. Thank you, Mr.
[48:39]
Brook.
[48:39]
>> I think that's all I have for you. Thank
[48:41]
you for your time.
[48:45]
Next on our on our agenda is building
[48:48]
codes from director Tanya Bale.
[48:53]
Welcome, Miss Bale.
[48:56]
>> Good evening and welcome to our new
[48:58]
commissioners. Congratulations on
[49:00]
getting appointed to the cool committee.
[49:03]
Um, and unlike Greg and Doug, I am not
[49:07]
very smooth and articulate. I tend to
[49:10]
talk a little bit too fast with a wee
[49:12]
bit of an accent. So, if I get talking
[49:13]
too fast, just slow me down. Okay. Um, I
[49:16]
have worked with the building coach
[49:18]
department for 26 years. I started as a
[49:21]
permit tech and made my way through all
[49:24]
of the positions in the department to
[49:26]
the director's position, which I've been
[49:27]
in now for a little bit than 10 years.
[49:30]
uh the building codes department
[49:32]
does uh we start getting involved in the
[49:36]
development process really at the
[49:38]
application process just where I I do
[49:40]
join Doug and planning and engineering
[49:42]
and review um of site plans and stuff
[49:46]
like that but just where it applies to
[49:48]
building codes and uh any effect that
[49:51]
building codes may have on those. Um
[49:54]
ultimately once the uh plat plan uh has
[49:57]
been approved by the planning commission
[49:59]
and recorded those lots are then
[50:02]
released by planning and engineering and
[50:04]
therefore they're eligible for building
[50:05]
permits. Um, so at that point when any
[50:10]
project comes out of the ground, whether
[50:12]
it be new construction, an addition in a
[50:16]
private dwelling, an accessory
[50:17]
structure, a garage, a swimming pool, a
[50:20]
storage building, uh, addition, anything
[50:23]
like that that requires a building
[50:25]
permit. And we do the building
[50:27]
inspections involved in that
[50:30]
construction, both in residential and
[50:34]
commercial. Um we we also have uh we
[50:39]
also do the plans reviews etc that's
[50:41]
involved with all of those um building
[50:43]
projects. So we do plans reviews on them
[50:45]
before they ever get released or before
[50:47]
we issue uh building permits. We collect
[50:51]
the school facilities tax and for those
[50:53]
of you who are not familiar with the
[50:54]
school facilities tax I'll give you a
[50:56]
really brief overview of it. Rutherford
[50:59]
County used to have a development tax
[51:00]
which applied to the building lot and
[51:03]
then the building itself. It was paid in
[51:06]
two separate payments. The first half
[51:07]
was paid by the developer when the lot
[51:09]
was recorded. The second half was paid
[51:11]
by the builder when they came in to get
[51:13]
a building permit. The building the
[51:16]
development tax was replaced by the
[51:17]
school facilities tax in 2021. At that
[51:21]
time it was adopted the count it's the
[51:23]
county parts relief act. It's a
[51:25]
Tennessee state law and Rutherford
[51:28]
County adopted it. Um it was levied at
[51:32]
$1 per square foot of new living space
[51:35]
in Rutherford County in Rutherford
[51:37]
County in the city of Murphy'sboro,
[51:39]
Smyrna, Leverne, and Eagle. So we are
[51:42]
responsible for collecting the school
[51:44]
facilities tax for all jurisdictions
[51:46]
within Rutherford County. Uh in 2023
[51:51]
um the county powers relief act was
[51:54]
rewritten by legislation um in up in the
[51:57]
legislature and they increased it from a
[51:59]
dollar to $1.50. They also changed
[52:02]
restructured the payment when the
[52:04]
payment was due and how we collected it
[52:06]
etc. So um it they increased it from a
[52:09]
dollar a square foot to $1.50 50 a
[52:11]
square foot and and included commercial
[52:15]
whereas in 2021 it just applied to
[52:17]
residential. So in 23 they then included
[52:21]
commercial. So we collect that for all
[52:24]
of the jurisdictions. And then we have
[52:27]
another division that is property
[52:29]
maintenance, zoning enforcement and code
[52:32]
enforcement. So anything that needs any
[52:35]
kind of legal enforcement um we would
[52:38]
take care of that. So we receive
[52:41]
complaints from constituents from a lot
[52:43]
of the times it's commissioners. Your
[52:45]
constituents will call you and you can
[52:47]
call us and we will establish a we will
[52:50]
look into it and if it violates the
[52:52]
zoning ordinance or the code or anything
[52:55]
else then we will try and um pursue
[52:58]
enforcement or abatement on it. Um so
[53:00]
you'll you'll see that a lot of this
[53:02]
will be in my reports here that I'm
[53:04]
going to present to you and um feel free
[53:07]
to stop and ask me questions. these
[53:09]
reports, we present them like this. And
[53:12]
um we've been doing this for the last
[53:13]
few years, but there is a lot of
[53:15]
information that we've got that may not
[53:17]
necessarily be in these reports. So, if
[53:19]
there's something in here that or that's
[53:21]
not in here that you would like to see
[53:23]
or that you would like to hear more
[53:25]
about or more of these numbers broken
[53:26]
down a little bit more or a little bit
[53:28]
better, please do let me know and I'll
[53:30]
try and
[53:32]
>> Mr. Chair,
[53:34]
>> back to the school facilities tax and
[53:36]
thank you for talking about that. Um,
[53:39]
you told us where it came from, but you
[53:41]
did not say where it went. So, how is
[53:44]
the school facilities tax used the money that comes from that?
[53:49]
>> So, that is a commission we just
[53:51]
collected. I'm just the offices office
[53:53]
that collects it for you. The spending
[53:55]
of it and the um dispersement of it is a
[53:59]
county commission. It's way above my my
[54:01]
pay grade.
[54:02]
>> Okay. I I'll find out later.
[54:04]
>> Yes.
[54:05]
>> Thanks.
[54:07]
All right. So, if nobody has any more
[54:09]
questions about any of that, I'm going
[54:10]
to move on to my reports. The very first
[54:12]
report you've got is the building
[54:14]
report. This report lists all of the
[54:17]
building permits that were issued for
[54:18]
the the previous month, for the month
[54:20]
that we're reporting on. Um, you'll see
[54:22]
that some of them have a valuation next
[54:24]
to them. Some of our most of our
[54:27]
building permits prior to our fee
[54:29]
increase in 23 were based upon valuation
[54:31]
of the project. So we took the valuation
[54:34]
of the project and we um as took that
[54:38]
value and and took it to a chart and
[54:39]
that's how we got our permit fee. That
[54:41]
chart is from directly from the code
[54:44]
book. Um, in 2023, the county commission
[54:47]
changed the way we issued building
[54:50]
strictly just building permits, just a
[54:51]
for brand new construction, new single
[54:53]
family dwellings. And they um the permit
[54:57]
fee is now generated at 70 cents per
[55:01]
square foot under roof instead of the
[55:03]
valuation because the valuation adjusted
[55:06]
just changed so much and it was hard to
[55:07]
keep up with. So, additions and remodels
[55:11]
and all that good stuff is still done by
[55:12]
valuation. We still do that by the
[55:14]
contract price, by what what the
[55:16]
homeowner is paying to get their
[55:18]
addition done or their remodel done or
[55:20]
something. That's what their permit is
[55:21]
based upon. But new construction is at
[55:24]
70 cents a square foot under roof.
[55:26]
Period. Glad. So the um the list of all
[55:31]
of the separate permits that we issued,
[55:33]
there's a number beside them and some of
[55:35]
them have evaluation and some of them do
[55:36]
not. At the very end of the report,
[55:39]
you'll see that there's a grand total of
[55:40]
fees collected. Um and that is for this past month is $2717,77.
[55:49]
The job cost which would be valuation of
[55:51]
the permits that we actually value that
[55:54]
take the valuation of. So that is not a
[55:56]
true that would not include any new
[55:58]
construction that 23,141,000
[56:01]
is strictly all of the other permits
[56:04]
that we do without new construction and
[56:06]
that's just the valuation of them.
[56:09]
The grand total of num grand number
[56:12]
grand total number of permits issued was
[56:14]
309 for September broken down above in
[56:18]
the previous two pages. Um 46 of those
[56:21]
were single family dwellings and that
[56:23]
appears to be a focus every month.
[56:25]
Everybody's always curious as to how
[56:27]
many new single family dwellings there
[56:29]
was. Um, as Doug mentioned earlier in
[56:32]
his report, we have seen, the last time
[56:34]
I checked, this was about three weeks
[56:36]
ago, and uh, we were down to about 45%
[56:40]
over the same time last year on single
[56:43]
family dwelling permit issuance.
[56:48]
Um, then below that, we have the total
[56:50]
number of inspections that were building
[56:52]
inspections that were completed, and
[56:54]
that was 2284.
[56:56]
Um, we have zoning inspections, which I
[56:58]
will go over in just a second. And then
[57:00]
miles driven is 10,837.
[57:04]
And then below that, we do last month um
[57:08]
total fees. Last month total number of
[57:10]
permits and last month same or excuse
[57:12]
me, same month last year total uh fees
[57:15]
and same month last year total permits.
[57:17]
And that's really just to give you an
[57:18]
idea of kind of how things are are
[57:21]
moving and flowing.
[57:25]
Does anybody have any questions on that
[57:27]
report?
[57:30]
» How was how are the building permit fees
[57:33]
for like things like swimming pools or
[57:34]
things that aren't under roof? How are
[57:36]
they calcul?
[57:36]
>> So, they're based on valuation. They
[57:38]
would bring us a copy of their contract
[57:40]
um that whatever they're building,
[57:42]
whether it's a remodel or the remodels
[57:44]
are done by um cost of the contracts.
[57:47]
Women pulls are cost of the contract.
[57:49]
Additions are done based on square
[57:51]
footage because it's new single family.
[57:53]
It's new square footage. Um,
[57:57]
and I'm glad I would be happy to break
[57:59]
all this down for you. I mean, if if
[58:00]
there you're curious about any of this
[58:03]
stuff and want it explained further,
[58:04]
please feel free to drop by my office
[58:06]
anytime. Happy to run it all explain it
[58:09]
all.
[58:10]
>> M. Watts.
[58:11]
>> And so this is just in the
[58:13]
unincorporated areas of the county. It
[58:15]
is
[58:15]
>> because the city has their own permit.
[58:17]
>> Correct. Okay.
[58:18]
>> So the building permits are strictly
[58:20]
unincorporated Rutherford County. The
[58:21]
school facilities tax that we're going
[58:22]
to get into in just a second is
[58:24]
countywide. That is all four
[58:26]
jurisdictions and unincorporated
[58:28]
Rutherford County.
[58:29]
>> Thank you.
[58:31]
>> All right. So,
[58:32]
>> Mr. P, one thing I might mention is her
[58:37]
department, same thing with uh planning
[58:40]
engineering.
[58:42]
when they have fees, we look at those
[58:45]
and what we're trying to do is make
[58:48]
these offices uh self-sufficient, I
[58:52]
guess, is the word. You know, the the
[58:54]
money that they take in goes into the
[58:56]
general fund, but it reflects on their
[58:58]
budget, too. Some offices generate a lot
[59:02]
of revenue, you know, some don't, but we
[59:05]
upgrade. you were asking specifically
[59:07]
about what why this cost whatever but
[59:12]
occasionally we will update that. Uh we
[59:14]
look at other counties, other
[59:17]
municipalities, places, see what the
[59:19]
fees are. Sometimes we get u unfunded
[59:23]
mandates handed down to the state from
[59:26]
the state to us. And uh what we try to
[59:29]
do is for instance we had to start
[59:32]
putting up silt fences here about 15
[59:34]
years ago or maybe but we had to have
[59:36]
people go out and inspect it and to pay
[59:39]
for that we actually raise the price on
[59:43]
getting that permit to help us pay for
[59:45]
that.
[59:46]
>> Right.
[59:47]
>> So that's that's basically you know
[59:49]
where these fees how they're generated
[59:52]
and sometimes how they're updated.
[59:54]
>> Right. So, I can only speak for building
[59:56]
codes. In building codes, it's industry
[59:58]
standard that the departments typically
[1:00:01]
only charge fees enough so that their
[1:00:04]
revenue doesn't ex excuse me, their
[1:00:06]
budget doesn't exceed their revenue. It
[1:00:08]
that's how it's that's how we um
[1:00:11]
determine what our fees and stuff are.
[1:00:13]
Um this last fee increase, we were able
[1:00:15]
to leave all of the additions and um
[1:00:18]
swimming pools and all that good stuff.
[1:00:20]
We we did not increase those. We just
[1:00:22]
increased um building permits and new
[1:00:26]
addition commercial additions.
[1:00:30]
Um but the commission wanted to leave
[1:00:32]
anything that the homeowner cost the
[1:00:34]
homeowner any money, they wanted to
[1:00:35]
leave it alone. So if the homeowner was
[1:00:37]
doing a remodel or a swimming pool or a
[1:00:39]
storage building or something, those
[1:00:41]
were left alone. We just increase the
[1:00:43]
new construction permits.
[1:00:48]
So we will move on to
[1:00:51]
the school facilities tax report is uh
[1:00:54]
done on a fiscal year. It's done from
[1:00:56]
July 1 through June 30th um of every
[1:00:59]
year. And like I said, we collect school
[1:01:01]
facilities tax on the back end of the
[1:01:04]
project. So the school facilities tax
[1:01:06]
becomes due when the project is
[1:01:10]
substantially complete but before the
[1:01:12]
certificate of occupancy is issued. So,
[1:01:14]
typically we encourage them to come in a
[1:01:16]
couple of weeks before they're looking
[1:01:17]
for a final CO so that they're not stuck
[1:01:20]
at the very end trying to um they don't
[1:01:23]
get held up at the end trying to pay
[1:01:25]
their school facilities tax because um
[1:01:28]
this is in the cities of Smyrna,
[1:01:30]
Murphy'sboro, Leverne, and Eagleville
[1:01:33]
too. So, um we have we work really well
[1:01:37]
with um we haven't had any problems with
[1:01:39]
inside the jurisdictions. We work really
[1:01:41]
well with the cities of Murphy'sboro,
[1:01:42]
Smyrna, and Leverne. Um they send us
[1:01:45]
reports on a monthly basis of all the
[1:01:46]
cos that they've issued. We cross
[1:01:48]
reference them with all of our um SFTs
[1:01:51]
to make sure that everything's been
[1:01:52]
paid. And um
[1:01:56]
that's it. So for the month of
[1:01:58]
September, we collected uh 1,119,884
[1:02:04]
in school facilities tax.
[1:02:08]
Um, the row below that is development
[1:02:11]
tax. As Doug mentioned in his report, we
[1:02:13]
do have still have some random
[1:02:15]
development tax lots that are floating
[1:02:17]
out there that have never been built on
[1:02:20]
because they were established under the
[1:02:21]
development tax law. They are um we we
[1:02:26]
just collect the other 750 when they
[1:02:28]
come in to get their building permit.
[1:02:29]
The school facilities tax does not apply
[1:02:31]
to them because we don't double tax
[1:02:32]
them. So you'll every now and again
[1:02:35]
you'll see the odd development tax law
[1:02:37]
be developed, but they're few and far
[1:02:39]
between. They're floating around there,
[1:02:40]
but yes.
[1:02:43]
>> So quick question. We saw before that
[1:02:46]
permits and everything is is is down
[1:02:48]
compared to last year, but yet the
[1:02:50]
school facility tax is so far the
[1:02:52]
highest during the year. So do we have
[1:02:55]
roughly what what's the lag from the
[1:02:57]
time maybe a permit's issued to the time
[1:02:58]
we collect the tax? like when are we
[1:03:00]
going to see the boomerang offset of
[1:03:02]
lower school facilities?
[1:03:04]
>> That's a really good question. So, um I
[1:03:07]
the average single family dwelling
[1:03:09]
depending on the size takes about a
[1:03:11]
builder about 6 to 8 months to build.
[1:03:14]
Bigger ones obviously and if the
[1:03:16]
homeowners building their own house it
[1:03:18]
may take longer. Commercial projects are
[1:03:20]
also included in this number and they
[1:03:22]
take longer. So they take sometimes a
[1:03:24]
couple years to build. Um so
[1:03:28]
it probably six eight months we did see
[1:03:31]
when we had the school facilities tax
[1:03:32]
from 21 to 23 we were collecting it half
[1:03:35]
of it up front and half of it on the
[1:03:36]
back end. However, all of the builders
[1:03:39]
chose to pay for it up front just to get
[1:03:40]
it out of the way. So when the state
[1:03:43]
legislature rewrote that law and decided
[1:03:45]
that we couldn't collect it until the
[1:03:47]
back end, we did see a lag. You'll be
[1:03:49]
able to see in
[1:03:53]
uh 24 2425
[1:03:56]
if you'll look along the school
[1:03:59]
facilities tax you'll see those numbers
[1:04:01]
were really low and that's that was that
[1:04:03]
period of time where we couldn't collect
[1:04:06]
until the end. We'd already collected
[1:04:08]
the ones that we'd issued on the front
[1:04:10]
end and then the new ones that we issued
[1:04:11]
we couldn't collect till the end. So
[1:04:12]
there was a six eightmonth period where
[1:04:15]
it was low.
[1:04:21]
» All right. And if nobody has any more
[1:04:23]
questions on on that.
[1:04:25]
>> Yes.
[1:04:27]
>> We don't do a lot of commercial work in
[1:04:29]
the county, but when we do
[1:04:32]
their numbers are just lumped in with
[1:04:34]
this. They're all lumped in together.
[1:04:35]
Right. Okay. And I am happy to and
[1:04:37]
that's one of the things I'm happy to
[1:04:40]
break this down if you would prefer to
[1:04:42]
see this Murphy'sboro
[1:04:44]
and broken down every month. I'm happy
[1:04:45]
to do that. Um this is lumped together,
[1:04:50]
but our system does have it broken down
[1:04:52]
so we I can populate a report.
[1:04:56]
I just don't want to get into too many
[1:04:58]
numbers and too hard to follow, but I'm
[1:05:01]
happy to do whatever you want. So just
[1:05:03]
let me know. And then uh the zoning
[1:05:06]
report, this is the uh zoning
[1:05:09]
enforcement. This is zon zoning
[1:05:11]
enforcement, code enforcement, property
[1:05:13]
maintenance. Um this is and I we've
[1:05:16]
tried to break it down to the different
[1:05:17]
types of violations that we see. The
[1:05:20]
toll weeds and grass, open storage,
[1:05:23]
property maintenance, junkyard,
[1:05:24]
substandard, noise, vacant and
[1:05:26]
dilapidated structures, occupied RVs,
[1:05:29]
unapproved businesses, BZA violations,
[1:05:32]
illegal burning and dumping. Although
[1:05:34]
the fire department pretty much takes
[1:05:36]
care of those. We really need to remove
[1:05:37]
that one. But um and then reinspe
[1:05:39]
reinsspections citations that we've
[1:05:41]
issued and some when they end up in
[1:05:43]
court.
[1:05:49]
So the very first one along the top is
[1:05:52]
the initial investigation of that seven
[1:05:54]
the 70 new cases that we um established
[1:05:56]
in the month of September. The rest of
[1:05:58]
them would all be uh inspections and
[1:06:01]
reinspections of some sort.
[1:06:10]
And if you don't have any questions,
[1:06:12]
that concludes my report.
[1:06:14]
>> Mr. Chair,
[1:06:15]
>> I'd like to go back, please, uh, to your
[1:06:17]
you made a statement. We do not want um,
[1:06:20]
we don't want our budget to exceed our
[1:06:23]
revenues.
[1:06:25]
>> So, does that budget include the
[1:06:27]
salaries of the people who work in your
[1:06:29]
office?
[1:06:29]
>> Yes, it does. Yes. So it so fees are
[1:06:33]
structured in order to cover the costs
[1:06:37]
of operating as well as the salaries and
[1:06:40]
benefits of the people who work in your
[1:06:42]
office.
[1:06:42]
>> Historically industrywide, that's kind
[1:06:45]
of how we um
[1:06:49]
determine whether it's time to increase
[1:06:51]
fees. If that number is too close or
[1:06:53]
falling behind, then we then it's time
[1:06:56]
to review fees.
[1:06:57]
>> Yeah.
[1:06:59]
What? Two years ago? Three years ago?
[1:07:00]
>> Yes, it was in 23.
[1:07:02]
>> Yeah,
[1:07:02]
>> we were operating in the red. So that's
[1:07:04]
when we
[1:07:05]
>> Was it 23 or
[1:07:07]
>> fees?
[1:07:08]
>> 23 or 24
[1:07:11]
for fees when we did fees? 23?
[1:07:16]
» 23.
[1:07:18]
So that affects the capacity of of um
[1:07:23]
that that affects the county's ability
[1:07:25]
to give salary raises to employees
[1:07:29]
because it's linked to the fees that are
[1:07:33]
generated by the work of the county.
[1:07:35]
>> Again, that that's not my that's HR.
[1:07:38]
That's kind of
[1:07:39]
>> just thinking out. Yeah,
[1:07:40]
>> just thinking
[1:07:42]
>> I I work on my budget. I am given a
[1:07:46]
salary. um insuranceances and stuff from
[1:07:48]
the finance department
[1:07:50]
>> and I
[1:07:51]
>> um plug those into my budget along with
[1:07:54]
the other needs that I have and that's
[1:07:56]
how I get my total budget.
[1:07:58]
>> I don't I don't
[1:08:00]
>> assign my salary.
[1:08:01]
>> That's a good that's a good Sonia
[1:08:02]
question, but I don't I don't think I
[1:08:05]
could be way wrong. I don't think 100%
[1:08:08]
of her salaries are tied to the fees. I
[1:08:13]
don't I don't think that
[1:08:14]
>> 100% of my salaries are in my budget
[1:08:18]
>> or in your budget, right? But I don't Is
[1:08:20]
it true that a 100% of your budget is
[1:08:23]
tied to the fees, though?
[1:08:26]
>> I I'm not I'm not sure if the
[1:08:28]
>> So, historic I'm just saying
[1:08:30]
industrywide, I mean, the finance
[1:08:32]
director and the HR director and
[1:08:33]
probably the mayor's office would
[1:08:34]
probably be better people to answer this
[1:08:36]
for you. Industrywide, it is u the
[1:08:39]
building codes department is typically
[1:08:42]
do not
[1:08:43]
they they're self-sustained. Their fees
[1:08:45]
cover their bid their budget. Yes. Their
[1:08:47]
revenue covers their budget.
[1:08:49]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:08:50]
>> And so when when they get too close or
[1:08:52]
when they get unbalanced, then we know
[1:08:54]
it's time to review fees.
[1:08:56]
>> And I think fees are reviewed about
[1:08:58]
every six or seven years. It's not
[1:09:01]
something we do every year.
[1:09:03]
>> Do we have any more questions on Miss
[1:09:06]
Bill's report as she has given it? If
[1:09:09]
not, we will need a motion. Motion to
[1:09:11]
approve the report. Mr. Chairman,
[1:09:14]
>> we have a motion and a second. Everybody
[1:09:16]
in favor say I.
[1:09:18]
>> I.
[1:09:19]
>> Nays. Motion pass. Thank you, Miss Bell.
[1:09:22]
>> Thank you.
[1:09:25]
» Next on our agenda will be solid waste
[1:09:29]
and convenience center director Matt
[1:09:32]
Davis. Welcome, Matt.
[1:09:34]
>> Thank you.
[1:09:39]
I'll say yes. My name is Matt Davis. Uh
[1:09:41]
I've been with the county solid waste
[1:09:43]
department for seven years this month.
[1:09:46]
Uh I started as a rolloff driver and um
[1:09:49]
now I'm solid waste director. Uh it's an
[1:09:52]
honor to serve and our department is u a
[1:09:56]
lot of great people.
[1:09:58]
We're responsible for operating the 14
[1:10:00]
convenience centers where residents
[1:10:02]
outside the city of Merbsboro but inside
[1:10:04]
the county bring their waste. Uh we
[1:10:07]
inside that operate recycling programs
[1:10:10]
and try to divert material away from the
[1:10:12]
landfill where we can. Um we run a fleet
[1:10:15]
of about 15 drivers more days than not
[1:10:20]
to uh service all of the convenience
[1:10:22]
centers and schools in the county.
[1:10:27]
We're also responsible for operating the
[1:10:29]
transfer station that opened last year.
[1:10:31]
Uh we operate the scale house and um
[1:10:36]
oversee you everything on site for
[1:10:39]
safety and loading um operating the the
[1:10:42]
transfer station. Uh we also um are
[1:10:46]
responsible for maintaining and uh
[1:10:48]
keeping up the two landfills on county
[1:10:51]
property that are not used anymore.
[1:10:54]
And um
[1:10:56]
that's pretty much the the different
[1:10:58]
areas that our department covers.
[1:11:01]
Um,
[1:11:03]
so with that, I I'll go into my report
[1:11:05]
if that's okay.
[1:11:07]
And I want to start tonight a little
[1:11:08]
different. I usually try to mention
[1:11:10]
somebody that's uh done something in our
[1:11:12]
department. And I'm sad tonight
[1:11:16]
um to make you aware that um our
[1:11:19]
attendant, Donna Neely, passed away
[1:11:21]
September 23rd after a a health battle
[1:11:24]
over the summer. She had been with us
[1:11:26]
almost seven years. Um, I'll quote her
[1:11:29]
obituary when I say that she was known
[1:11:31]
for her stubborn spirit, her generous
[1:11:33]
heart, her hard work in nature. She
[1:11:35]
loved her garden and fishing, watching
[1:11:38]
hummingbirds, and raising her bassad
[1:11:39]
hounds.
[1:11:41]
My heart and mind, the hearts and minds
[1:11:43]
of our whole department are with Donna's
[1:11:46]
husband, Wendell, and their entire
[1:11:48]
family.
[1:11:50]
We miss her and we grieve with all of
[1:11:51]
them.
[1:11:58]
» [snorts]
[1:12:00]
» Okay. Um,
[1:12:05]
so I like to use my PowerPoint through
[1:12:06]
the report. Um, basically this first
[1:12:09]
part is what we collect at the old
[1:12:11]
county landfill. Um, residents and
[1:12:14]
businesses can bring us brush uh for
[1:12:16]
which we charge $30 a ton and then we
[1:12:19]
manage that after they dump it. Um, in
[1:12:22]
August was 115.28 28 tons of brush for
[1:12:25]
3,476
[1:12:27]
of revenue. September was 211.9 tons of
[1:12:31]
brush for $7,268.
[1:12:36]
On the same property, we managed tires
[1:12:38]
that are turned in for recycling. In
[1:12:40]
August was 1,290 tires, a revenue of
[1:12:44]
$2,167.
[1:12:46]
September was 1498 tires for a revenue
[1:12:50]
of $3,519.
[1:12:55]
on our collections. Uh we picked up
[1:12:58]
2379.75
[1:13:00]
tons of waste from convenience centers
[1:13:02]
in August. September was 2,279.59
[1:13:06]
tons.
[1:13:08]
At the schools in August, we got 456.24
[1:13:11]
tons. September was 528.23
[1:13:14]
tons.
[1:13:17]
Recycling collected across the county in
[1:13:20]
August was 440.16 tons gave us a
[1:13:24]
recycling rate of 13.44%.
[1:13:28]
September we collected 411.18 tons gave
[1:13:31]
us a recycling rate of 12.77%.
[1:13:36]
The total that we managed in August was
[1:13:38]
3,276.15
[1:13:40]
tons and in September was 3,219 tons.
[1:13:48]
In the transfer station, we track our
[1:13:51]
customers who pay cash every visit or
[1:13:55]
credit or check. And we also track our
[1:13:57]
account customers. Uh and then we pull
[1:14:00]
out WM's our biggest customer. We track
[1:14:03]
how much tonnage that they're bringing.
[1:14:05]
Uh in August, you can see that total was
[1:14:07]
9,519.4
[1:14:09]
tons. September was 9,91.22
[1:14:13]
tons.
[1:14:16]
Last month ended the quarter also and so
[1:14:19]
we report the origin of waste processed
[1:14:21]
through the transfer station. Uh for the
[1:14:23]
full quarter, Rutherford County brought
[1:14:25]
87%
[1:14:27]
excuse me 87% of that waste came from
[1:14:30]
Rutherford County, 12.1% from Wilson
[1:14:33]
County, a half a percent from Davidson
[1:14:35]
County, and 0.4% from all other counties
[1:14:39]
combined.
[1:14:42]
Uh we'd like to remind everyone in the
[1:14:44]
county that hazardous waste collection
[1:14:46]
is this coming Saturday from u 8:00 am
[1:14:49]
to noon at the city solid waste facility
[1:14:52]
on Florence Road. U there's more
[1:14:55]
information on our website at rutherford
[1:14:57]
county tnm.gov/solid waste but uh it's
[1:15:01]
one of two times per year that you can
[1:15:03]
dispose of hazardous waste from your
[1:15:05]
home for free.
[1:15:09]
Uh couple things that we're following up
[1:15:11]
on just from uh previous committee
[1:15:12]
meetings. Uh we started our mattress
[1:15:15]
recycling August 11th and then um have a
[1:15:18]
an update already. I heard today I got a
[1:15:21]
final report or a a more current report
[1:15:24]
as we're just over,900 mattresses
[1:15:26]
collected.
[1:15:28]
I'm really proud of the work that we did
[1:15:30]
with starting this mattress recycling
[1:15:32]
program. uh we took steps before it
[1:15:34]
started to train our attendants across
[1:15:37]
the department and then to do more
[1:15:39]
training with the attendants that are
[1:15:41]
actually receiving these on the four
[1:15:42]
sites.
[1:15:44]
And it's been surprisingly smooth for
[1:15:46]
us. Um we haven't had any trouble with
[1:15:50]
uh payments or more complaints than
[1:15:52]
normal. Um we haven't had any issues at
[1:15:55]
all with the trailers and ramps. Our
[1:15:57]
vendor has done a great job of um
[1:16:00]
monitoring inventory and swapping the
[1:16:01]
trailers when we need to. And so I'm I'm
[1:16:04]
really proud our department has done a
[1:16:05]
good job of starting this mattress
[1:16:07]
recycling program is it will save
[1:16:10]
700,000 cubic feet per year of a
[1:16:13]
landfill space that is very scarce in
[1:16:15]
Tennessee.
[1:16:16]
Um, the other thing is something this
[1:16:19]
committee has um talked about from time
[1:16:22]
to time is security cameras in the uh
[1:16:26]
all of our properties, especially the
[1:16:27]
convenience centers. And I just want to
[1:16:29]
update that we've been working hard with
[1:16:31]
OIT to develop a plan.
[1:16:34]
Of course, the plans are different for
[1:16:35]
every convenience center. Those
[1:16:37]
properties are all very different. Uh we
[1:16:40]
have a potential vendor that we're
[1:16:42]
working with and um we've met with them
[1:16:45]
in person. We've gone out to most of the
[1:16:47]
convenience centers with them, you know,
[1:16:49]
discussing everything from the placement
[1:16:51]
to the infrastructure that's available
[1:16:53]
there to support the data connection.
[1:16:56]
Uh, but I I want to um thank this
[1:16:58]
committee for bringing this forward,
[1:17:01]
especially Commissioner P. You brought
[1:17:03]
it up a few times.
[1:17:05]
this really will be an investment that
[1:17:07]
makes our community center safer and um
[1:17:11]
you know we we need that record of
[1:17:13]
what's going on when something does
[1:17:14]
happen in the center and so I I
[1:17:16]
appreciate that. I expect next month I
[1:17:18]
should have a full proposal with pricing
[1:17:20]
and u a schedule for deployment of
[1:17:23]
those.
[1:17:24]
Um
[1:17:27]
I have a couple more things for you but
[1:17:29]
that concludes my normal monthly report.
[1:17:32]
Are there any questions for his normal
[1:17:34]
report?
[1:17:36]
>> Mr. McGallen,
[1:17:38]
>> commissioner uh director. So for
[1:17:41]
recycling, when you put the recycling
[1:17:44]
numbers up there, that is the recycling
[1:17:46]
that runs through the convenience
[1:17:48]
centers or is that the total recycling
[1:17:51]
throughout the county?
[1:17:52]
>> That's the total for the whole county
[1:17:54]
for everything we pick up. It would
[1:17:56]
include the schools and county offices
[1:17:58]
with the convenience centers. But if
[1:18:00]
some is there a way within the county if
[1:18:03]
someone has a third party especially in
[1:18:06]
the cities that pick up their recycling
[1:18:08]
because you know I know that the m
[1:18:11]
municipal solid waste is tracked by
[1:18:13]
origin and destination by Tekk. Is there
[1:18:16]
anything similar for recycling?
[1:18:18]
>> I know the city of Mersboro tracks
[1:18:20]
theirs. Uh we we report it to TK
[1:18:23]
annually and we I received that
[1:18:24]
information from them
[1:18:26]
>> for their one convenience center.
[1:18:28]
>> Yep.
[1:18:28]
>> Okay. I just know like in my
[1:18:30]
neighborhood some people pay to have a
[1:18:33]
private third party come in and pick up
[1:18:34]
their recycling and and I know we're
[1:18:37]
supposed to hit a 25% diversion rate but
[1:18:40]
that's really based on the entire
[1:18:42]
county's MSW of roughly you know 420,000
[1:18:46]
tons a year or so.
[1:18:47]
>> Couple things there. Those companies
[1:18:49]
should be reported to TAC but I don't
[1:18:51]
have hands on that. Um
[1:18:56]
and so we you know it should get to TAC
[1:18:59]
that way and get into the annual
[1:19:00]
progress report there. The other thing
[1:19:02]
is that um of course we count our
[1:19:05]
recycling rate. It is very important. We
[1:19:08]
want it to be higher. Uh but that 25%
[1:19:12]
rate from the state would include
[1:19:14]
business and industrial also. That's
[1:19:16]
what pulls us up above it every year.
[1:19:18]
>> Okay. And then with also back to
[1:19:21]
recycling, at the end of the school year, we had the
[1:19:26]
young gentleman talk about how they're
[1:19:28]
doing it. He his project was to have
[1:19:30]
recycling at Central
[1:19:32]
Magnet has and it was supposed to
[1:19:34]
continue there and looking at rolling it
[1:19:35]
out at other high schools. Has that
[1:19:38]
happened that we know of?
[1:19:40]
>> I want to touch on that in a moment. Um,
[1:19:43]
we got a grant from Tekk last year that
[1:19:46]
we're going to ask the for a budget
[1:19:48]
amendment to restore that money. We can
[1:19:51]
do that. This will roll out a much more
[1:19:54]
robust recycling program to I believe
[1:19:58]
that says to the middle schools in the
[1:19:59]
county first, but it's coming.
[1:20:01]
>> I don't want to ruin the surprise. And
[1:20:03]
then with that hazardous waste
[1:20:05]
collection, is that also available on
[1:20:07]
social media for us to
[1:20:08]
>> forward? So that's on
[1:20:10]
>> um it's been on the county social media
[1:20:12]
and the the solid waste social media for
[1:20:14]
a while.
[1:20:15]
>> Um and that that of course is sharable
[1:20:17]
with anybody.
[1:20:18]
>> Okay. Thank you,
[1:20:20]
>> Mr. Chair.
[1:20:21]
>> Mr. Clara,
[1:20:23]
>> um do you promote the hazardous waste
[1:20:27]
collection through the MTSU system of
[1:20:30]
communication because that that reaches
[1:20:32]
another large?
[1:20:33]
>> We make sure that they're aware of it
[1:20:35]
kind of on an administrative level. Mhm.
[1:20:37]
>> Beyond that, I don't know how MTSU
[1:20:40]
promotes it.
[1:20:41]
>> Um, but they would be welcome.
[1:20:44]
>> Individuals connected to MTSU would be
[1:20:46]
welcome.
[1:20:48]
>> Sure. And um um to the to the
[1:20:52]
convenience centers. First, I want to
[1:20:54]
say that I've recently
[1:20:57]
gone to the Epsom location and the
[1:21:00]
Bradyville Pike location and
[1:21:03]
I just want to give kudos to the people
[1:21:06]
working there. They were under it was
[1:21:09]
hot and they were friendly and helpful
[1:21:13]
and I told them thank you and I said I'm
[1:21:16]
going to tell the solid waste director
[1:21:19]
but I just want it to be known in this
[1:21:22]
recording that the people in those two
[1:21:25]
locations and I'm sure in the others are
[1:21:28]
doing really unpleasant work with great
[1:21:31]
attitudes and I appreciate that.
[1:21:34]
It's been a hot summer and and all of
[1:21:36]
our attendants have done a fantastic job
[1:21:38]
of of serving the county.
[1:21:40]
>> And to clarify, you said earlier that
[1:21:43]
this is available for people residents
[1:21:45]
of Rutherford County outside of the
[1:21:47]
cities. Is that what you said?
[1:21:49]
>> Um
[1:21:50]
>> because I'd like to know
[1:21:51]
>> that's what we collect.
[1:21:52]
>> Uhu.
[1:21:53]
>> The this household hazardous waste event
[1:21:55]
is actually anybody in Tennessee can
[1:21:58]
come to it because it's funded by Tekk.
[1:22:00]
But for the convenience centers, anyone
[1:22:02]
a Rutherford County resident?
[1:22:04]
>> Absolutely.
[1:22:05]
>> Okay, that's what I wanted to know
[1:22:06]
because if so, I I just told you I broke
[1:22:09]
the law. [laughter]
[1:22:11]
>> No, I just wanted to clarify that it's
[1:22:13]
anyone within the county.
[1:22:15]
>> So, even if you live in the city of
[1:22:16]
Mersboro, you have a bulk item or
[1:22:18]
something, you still pay county taxes
[1:22:20]
and you're welcome to to use our
[1:22:22]
centers.
[1:22:23]
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.
[1:22:25]
>> You're not a scoff law yet,
[1:22:27]
>> Miss Watts.
[1:22:28]
>> Thank you. Um, Matt got a couple of
[1:22:30]
questions about convenience centers.
[1:22:32]
Will Haley Road ever reopen?
[1:22:37]
» I would definitely have to follow up
[1:22:38]
with you on that. Um,
[1:22:41]
the the short answer may say the best
[1:22:44]
answer is there's a conversation
[1:22:46]
happening with us and the city of
[1:22:48]
Mersboro right now
[1:22:50]
that could replace Haley Road. and um
[1:22:54]
>> because that was one of the places you
[1:22:55]
could take electronics and now they're a
[1:22:58]
lot further out.
[1:22:59]
>> I think we're going to have something to
[1:23:01]
present on that next month.
[1:23:02]
>> Okay.
[1:23:03]
>> And um
[1:23:04]
>> do you have an update on the Leverne
[1:23:05]
Convenience Center? What's going on with
[1:23:07]
that?
[1:23:08]
>> I'm aware that a couple of properties
[1:23:10]
have been looked at, but uh there's no
[1:23:14]
movement on those unless the mayor has
[1:23:17]
anything.
[1:23:17]
>> Okay.
[1:23:19]
>> Thank you,
[1:23:22]
>> Mr. P.
[1:23:24]
>> Well, I want to back up to the transfer
[1:23:27]
stations you had on your chart up there
[1:23:30]
uh that we have cash uh people that pay
[1:23:34]
cash
[1:23:36]
>> and what what are the different payment
[1:23:38]
methods that we have and then I want to
[1:23:41]
know if any of them are in a rears.
[1:23:44]
Um, first question first. Uh, cash cards
[1:23:49]
or checks. People that don't have
[1:23:51]
accounts that just pay for each load as
[1:23:52]
they come and go. Um, honestly, very
[1:23:56]
little of its cash. You know, I think we
[1:23:58]
get a couple hundred dollars a day in
[1:24:00]
cash. The rest is all electronic and a a
[1:24:03]
rare check we get. on the accounts.
[1:24:08]
I'm aware of one that's in a rears to a
[1:24:11]
point where they can't uh use their
[1:24:15]
account right now and um
[1:24:20]
that normally gets resolved very quickly
[1:24:22]
and so I don't know, you know, it's it's
[1:24:24]
been a matter of days since that notice
[1:24:26]
went out to them. So I would be very
[1:24:28]
surprised if it's not cleared up very
[1:24:30]
quickly. But um
[1:24:39]
» Mr. Dabby, did you say the hazardous
[1:24:41]
waste collection was monthly or
[1:24:43]
>> No, that we do that twice a year through
[1:24:45]
Tekk. Uh there's a date in April and
[1:24:47]
then this coming Saturday is the other
[1:24:49]
one this year.
[1:24:50]
>> Is it like super busy like line
[1:24:52]
it?
[1:24:53]
>> Um it is busy but you get through it. Um
[1:24:56]
they're very good at being efficient
[1:24:58]
with the cars.
[1:24:59]
>> U we just ask people when they come
[1:25:01]
through what county they're coming from
[1:25:03]
and how many households of items they're
[1:25:05]
bringing from, they pull around to the
[1:25:08]
other side of the lot and they're helped
[1:25:09]
with their material and and
[1:25:11]
I would say it's rare for anybody to
[1:25:13]
have to be there more than 5 to 10
[1:25:15]
minutes.
[1:25:15]
>> Okay. Um, and would you say that the
[1:25:18]
recycling rates are increasing,
[1:25:21]
decreasing, or kind of constant?
[1:25:24]
>> I think they're very slowly increasing.
[1:25:26]
It's I'd like [clears throat] to see
[1:25:28]
them increase faster. Okay, Matt, will
[1:25:31]
the hazardous material be gathered at
[1:25:34]
all convenience centers or just a
[1:25:36]
particular one?
[1:25:38]
>> So, this uh hazardous waste event
[1:25:40]
Saturday is only at the Florence Road
[1:25:42]
facility.
[1:25:44]
>> Okay. That hadn't been mentioned.
[1:25:46]
>> Um I know that address is on here. Yeah.
[1:25:49]
4765 Florence Road from 8 o'clock to
[1:25:52]
noon Saturday. And um you know, we'll be
[1:25:56]
there.
[1:25:57]
>> Thank you.
[1:26:01]
Um, also is there are there plans to
[1:26:04]
expand um the current convenience
[1:26:07]
centers to hold um like the ones that
[1:26:10]
don't um offer um you to drop off your
[1:26:13]
glass and electronics.
[1:26:17]
We're always looking at services we can
[1:26:20]
add at the different sites that you know
[1:26:23]
will serve the residents and also be
[1:26:24]
something that um we can manage well. Um
[1:26:30]
I'm looking at adding another site for
[1:26:32]
electronics right now. And it is
[1:26:34]
something we're finding out that when we
[1:26:37]
have a commodity
[1:26:39]
if we only collect it at a couple of
[1:26:41]
centers a lot of people in the county
[1:26:43]
are not going to come out of their way
[1:26:44]
to to bring it to us.
[1:26:46]
And so that's something that we're
[1:26:48]
working through now is how do we really
[1:26:49]
expand our service on each site and
[1:26:53]
we're going to find out that
[1:26:55]
we can do more but there are some sites
[1:26:58]
that are it's just not going to work the
[1:27:00]
same on
[1:27:01]
>> I was just wondering um because I know a
[1:27:05]
lot of people they might you know go to one site like I went I went to
[1:27:09]
drop off my plastic and my cardboard and
[1:27:11]
paper and things and then um I had this
[1:27:13]
big TV that stopped working and so um
[1:27:15]
they're like, "Oh, we don't take
[1:27:16]
electronics." So then I had to drive,
[1:27:18]
you know, 25 minutes across town, but
[1:27:20]
not everyone would do that. So I was
[1:27:22]
just wondering because we were talking
[1:27:23]
about wanting to increase recycling. Um
[1:27:27]
and so I was just wondering that. Um and
[1:27:29]
how how many of these um facilities have
[1:27:33]
multiple like takes all of the all of
[1:27:37]
the
[1:27:38]
>> So the
[1:27:40]
kind of our super sites I might call
[1:27:42]
them is uh the convenience centers at
[1:27:44]
Rock Bell and Lyanna and Smyrna. They
[1:27:47]
were the ones that were most recently
[1:27:48]
renovated and they just have space to do
[1:27:51]
more. Um all three of those except
[1:27:54]
mattresses for recycling u bulk metal
[1:27:57]
and glass. They accept the bulk uh waste
[1:28:00]
and um
[1:28:02]
electronics.
[1:28:04]
And that's something that um
[1:28:06]
[clears throat]
[1:28:07]
we're leaning a lot on those sites for
[1:28:09]
because they have the space to do it
[1:28:11]
that some of our other sites just don't.
[1:28:14]
>> And the the mattress recycling that
[1:28:17]
doesn't give us any revenue, right? No,
[1:28:20]
it uh it doesn't cost us anything, but
[1:28:21]
it does not bring in any money.
[1:28:23]
>> It doesn't cost us anything. So,
[1:28:24]
>> well, thank you,
[1:28:28]
» Mr. McGallen.
[1:28:30]
>> Make a motion to approve.
[1:28:33]
>> All in favor say I. Motion pass. Matt,
[1:28:38]
what else do you have? uh you'll find in
[1:28:40]
your SharePoint uh budget amendment that
[1:28:42]
we're asking for where we were awarded a
[1:28:44]
TKC recycling grant for the school
[1:28:47]
recycling education program last year
[1:28:50]
and it just didn't get carried over into
[1:28:52]
the new budget. U Michael said we didn't
[1:28:54]
know exactly what would carry over so it
[1:28:57]
would require this budget amendment to
[1:28:58]
put it back in there. Um
[1:29:02]
the county part of this is $90,427
[1:29:05]
and the state matches that. So, it'll be
[1:29:08]
a total fund for this project of
[1:29:10]
$180,854.
[1:29:15]
» Move to approve.
[1:29:19]
» We have a motion in a second.
[1:29:21]
>> So, Matt, is this the one call?
[1:29:24]
>> No, wait a minute. Go ahead. Discussion.
[1:29:26]
>> Is this the one you alluded to that has
[1:29:27]
to do with schools?
[1:29:28]
>> Yes.
[1:29:29]
>> Okay.
[1:29:30]
>> So, Matt, I mean, what would the funds
[1:29:32]
be used for? So, the bulk of it is going
[1:29:34]
to be for containers for the schools,
[1:29:36]
whether it's smaller bins in the
[1:29:38]
classrooms, the larger bins to collect
[1:29:40]
them in, um, and then also signage to go
[1:29:44]
with that to explain, you know,
[1:29:46]
everything that goes in our recycling.
[1:29:48]
>> So, one thing, if I recall, when we
[1:29:49]
signed the contract a couple years ago
[1:29:51]
with Waste Management,
[1:29:52]
>> they had offered up free bins for
[1:29:55]
curbside.
[1:29:57]
So, I don't know if we want to see if
[1:30:00]
the offer still stands, but I don't know
[1:30:01]
what size those bins would be and if
[1:30:03]
they would.
[1:30:03]
>> They have helped us out a little bit on
[1:30:05]
some of those. I'll definitely uh
[1:30:06]
approach them first before I start
[1:30:08]
placing orders.
[1:30:09]
>> It was at least the offer a couple years
[1:30:11]
ago, but hopefully it still stands. So,
[1:30:16]
» Rachel Karo,
[1:30:22]
» Commissioner Clark,
[1:30:24]
>> yes.
[1:30:24]
>> Mr. Doty,
[1:30:26]
>> yes. Commissioner Kush,
[1:30:28]
>> yes.
[1:30:28]
>> Commissioner McGowan,
[1:30:29]
>> yes.
[1:30:30]
>> Commissioner P,
[1:30:32]
>> yes.
[1:30:32]
>> Commissioner Watts,
[1:30:33]
>> yes.
[1:30:34]
>> Chairman Piery,
[1:30:35]
>> yes.
[1:30:36]
>> Motion passes.
[1:30:38]
>> Go ahead, Matt.
[1:30:39]
>> All right. My last item tonight is I'm
[1:30:41]
asking uh this is also in your
[1:30:43]
SharePoint for your authorization to
[1:30:46]
apply for a grant from Tde. Uh it is a
[1:30:49]
50/50 match and the minimum is $27,4122.
[1:30:55]
The maximum grant award will be 49,999
[1:30:58]
and80 cents. Uh it is a 50-50 match with
[1:31:01]
the county and um we want to use these
[1:31:05]
funds to start a foam recycling program
[1:31:08]
where we would collect it in all of our
[1:31:09]
centers and this would finance the
[1:31:13]
purchase of a foam densifier where we
[1:31:16]
would process that foam.
[1:31:19]
One of the things that I like about this
[1:31:21]
program and we've seen it work in
[1:31:23]
another county is that this product that
[1:31:25]
comes out of that foam densifier has a
[1:31:27]
market. Uh there's a buyer in Lever for
[1:31:30]
it and there's other buyers across the
[1:31:32]
country where it's a little bit unusual
[1:31:35]
when we're approached with some new
[1:31:37]
recycling thing that it closes the loop
[1:31:39]
and there's actually something to do
[1:31:41]
with the product. And so um we want to
[1:31:44]
collect it all. We're going to bring it
[1:31:45]
to Lyanna and process it there and to
[1:31:48]
they call it ingots of this material and
[1:31:51]
as we collect enough we'll sell it to
[1:31:53]
the supplier that'll pay us the best.
[1:31:57]
>> Mr. Data,
[1:31:58]
>> is this uh grant application request
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supposed to be blank on here?
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>> Yeah, ours is blank.
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>> Oh, no.
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>> Um, no, it's not.
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>> Can I just do you have a topic I can
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just see really quick? Thank you so
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much. So, so
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go through that one more time. It's
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foam. F O A N.
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>> And is it like like it's not styrofoam?
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>> It is. Styrofoam is a trade name.
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>> It's what you think of as styrofoam.
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>> Okay.
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>> When you get a new TV and it's got foam
[1:32:28]
on the corners, it's that stuff.
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>> It can be um
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>> foam
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>> uh like clamshells you get your food in.
[1:32:35]
>> Yes.
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>> Those have to be rinsed, but they're
[1:32:38]
they can go through this process. But
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it's not foam like you would see in a
[1:32:42]
mattress pad or
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>> correct. But we do accept that foam
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already.
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>> Right.
[1:32:47]
>> This is this is like the white styrofo
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kind of foam.
[1:32:50]
>> When you bend it, it should break. Yes.
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And that's what'll go through this
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process.
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>> Got it. Okay. And you are trying to
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collect that,
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>> right? So people would bring that to a
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convenience center, you collect it, you
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take it to somebody in Lever and they
[1:33:06]
process it and sell it. We'll do the
[1:33:09]
first step of processing ourselves.
[1:33:11]
>> Okay.
[1:33:11]
>> Uh that's what half of this money would
[1:33:13]
cover is the machine that does that.
[1:33:15]
>> Okay.
[1:33:16]
>> Um and then we would sell that product
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that comes out of that machine to the
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buyer.
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» If no one else uh needs to see this,
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I'll move to approve
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if no one else has questions as well.
[1:33:29]
Sorry.
[1:33:30]
>> Second.
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>> Matt, I do have a question. What exactly
[1:33:33]
does this machine do? Does it?
[1:33:36]
>> So, it's a single machine. It probably
[1:33:39]
takes up a footprint similar to this
[1:33:41]
podium, a little bit bigger. You feed
[1:33:44]
the foam in the top and it gets ground.
[1:33:46]
And the lower part of the machine, it
[1:33:48]
gets heated and compressed. And so, it's
[1:33:51]
taken out 95 to 98% of the volume of the
[1:33:54]
original styrofoam that you put in. Um
[1:33:58]
the vendor that sells the machine has a
[1:34:00]
picture where they filled up a 53 ft
[1:34:02]
trailer full of styrofoam.
[1:34:05]
They run it through their machine and
[1:34:06]
it's three pallets.
[1:34:08]
>> Like environmental impactor for the
[1:34:10]
operator. Do they have to wear a mask?
[1:34:11]
Does if it's
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>> so noxious fumes or again if burning in
[1:34:16]
there?
[1:34:17]
>> I didn't mean to speak over you. The
[1:34:19]
vendor tells me that it's it's been
[1:34:21]
tested that it's safe. It does have kind
[1:34:23]
of a I was call like a hot plastic
[1:34:25]
smell.
[1:34:27]
U but it's it's not anything that's
[1:34:29]
found to be dangerous to health. Um and
[1:34:31]
the shed that I'm asking for to put it
[1:34:32]
in will also have two garage doors just
[1:34:35]
because it's a very hot machine. I
[1:34:37]
didn't think it would be that
[1:34:39]
ventilation.
[1:34:39]
>> And would this require an additional
[1:34:41]
employee or would we just use resources
[1:34:43]
already there?
[1:34:44]
>> We'll use the staff that we have already
[1:34:46]
and then the collection containers. We
[1:34:48]
used to use them for other things. We're
[1:34:51]
going to paint them for this project and
[1:34:52]
we our only cost on those will just be
[1:34:54]
the paint.
[1:34:57]
Mr. Chair,
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>> Miss Clark,
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>> you said you will sell it to the buyer
[1:35:03]
and so how uh
[1:35:07]
when we sell it,
[1:35:08]
>> how much money will we get?
[1:35:10]
>> So, the city of Nashville has this set
[1:35:13]
up. They started in the spring.
[1:35:16]
>> I think it was very late lately. They
[1:35:18]
sold their first load and they got $300
[1:35:21]
a ton for the material that they turned
[1:35:23]
in. And um
[1:35:27]
Yeah, I think they got a ton and a half
[1:35:28]
of material. So, it's a little more than
[1:35:30]
$4,500
[1:35:31]
>> over what period of time.
[1:35:33]
>> That was what they gathered from April
[1:35:35]
until late last month.
[1:35:38]
And I think we'll get more. We kind of
[1:35:40]
touched on Mr. Dowy said earlier, we
[1:35:42]
talked about gathering different things
[1:35:44]
and different sites.
[1:35:46]
We're going to do this on all 14 sites
[1:35:48]
to start out. So I think it's very
[1:35:50]
possible we're going to get more than
[1:35:52]
Nashville's getting on their one site
[1:35:53]
when we start operating.
[1:35:57]
>> So the so the money will purchase if you say we're going to do it at more
[1:36:02]
than one site initially or eventually
[1:36:05]
>> uh initially starting out.
[1:36:06]
>> So a machine per convenience center.
[1:36:09]
>> We'll have one machine and then we'll
[1:36:11]
manage trucking the boxes to that
[1:36:13]
machine on one of our sites.
[1:36:15]
>> I see. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:36:16]
>> And then once the product out of that is
[1:36:18]
ready,
[1:36:19]
>> I don't know if we'll deliver it. It'll
[1:36:21]
be picked up, but it'll be moved from
[1:36:22]
there.
[1:36:23]
>> Okay.
[1:36:23]
>> Will the machine be located at the
[1:36:25]
transfer station area?
[1:36:27]
>> I want to put it at Lyanna.
[1:36:29]
>> Lyanna.
[1:36:32]
Big enough to have extra boxes
[1:36:34]
dropped and all that.
[1:36:38]
>> Miss Watts. Did you have a question?
[1:36:40]
>> Well, I think you answered my question.
[1:36:41]
So you'd be collecting foam at all of
[1:36:44]
the convenience centers and then they
[1:36:45]
truck it to Lyanna where they process it
[1:36:47]
and then they would sell it to this
[1:36:49]
company.
[1:36:50]
>> Yes.
[1:36:50]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:36:54]
» Are there any more questions about the
[1:36:56]
request?
[1:36:59]
>> I think we already have a motion and a
[1:37:01]
second on the road.
[1:37:05]
» Commissioner Watts.
[1:37:06]
>> Yes.
[1:37:08]
>> Commissioner P.
[1:37:09]
Yes.
[1:37:11]
>> Commissioner McGawan.
[1:37:12]
>> Yes.
[1:37:14]
>> Commissioner Kush.
[1:37:15]
>> Yes.
[1:37:16]
>> Commissioner Dodie.
[1:37:17]
>> Yes.
[1:37:18]
>> Commissioner Clark.
[1:37:19]
>> Yes.
[1:37:20]
>> Chairman Piery.
[1:37:21]
>> Yes.
[1:37:22]
>> Motion passes.
[1:37:24]
>> Do you have anything else from Matt?
[1:37:25]
>> That's it for me tonight.
[1:37:26]
>> I I do just have two quick questions for
[1:37:29]
me.
[1:37:29]
>> Yeah. Go ahead.
[1:37:30]
>> Where where do we stand with the signage
[1:37:32]
at the facilities? because the first uh
[1:37:35]
constituent complaint I got was from a
[1:37:37]
gentleman in my my district who sorted
[1:37:40]
his recycling, was very diligent in
[1:37:43]
getting everything cleaned out. Then he
[1:37:44]
went to a convenience center to realize
[1:37:46]
at the very last minute he was in the
[1:37:48]
wrong line and just had to throw away
[1:37:50]
all of his recycling
[1:37:53]
and he was told if signs are the issue,
[1:37:56]
talk to your county commissioner.
[1:37:58]
>> Wow.
[1:37:58]
>> So he he sent me you know that was my
[1:38:00]
first call. So, I just didn't know how
[1:38:03]
we were. I know that was something from
[1:38:04]
last year. So, again, I just didn't know
[1:38:06]
where we stand with with all those
[1:38:07]
signage.
[1:38:08]
>> We're working right now to roll out
[1:38:10]
signs center by center. And honestly, to
[1:38:12]
minimize cost, we're building them
[1:38:14]
ourselves. Um, I think we have the new
[1:38:16]
ones at five centers that are signs for
[1:38:19]
each commodity we collect on the site.
[1:38:22]
Um, last year we used our sign budget to
[1:38:25]
put up signs at the gates with our rules
[1:38:28]
and hours and speed limits. And this
[1:38:30]
year we're doing it this direction. You
[1:38:32]
know, we're going to keep pushing on it.
[1:38:34]
It'll be probably a few months before we
[1:38:36]
get them all to all the centers.
[1:38:37]
>> I I do think it would be good
[1:38:40]
>> to have signs to know which line you're
[1:38:43]
in because especially I like I go to
[1:38:44]
Lean Road. I know which one.
[1:38:46]
>> Absolutely.
[1:38:47]
>> Take the middle one. If you go left,
[1:38:48]
it's household garbage. To the right,
[1:38:49]
it's recycling.
[1:38:50]
>> But if sometimes that's the longest
[1:38:52]
line. If somebody doesn't know, they're
[1:38:53]
going to say, "Wow, this line's a lot
[1:38:54]
shorter." And go and again, they're in the household garbage line. I
[1:38:59]
have been asked
[1:39:02]
somebody that may make a grant for
[1:39:03]
something like that, which of course I
[1:39:05]
would bring to this committee that could
[1:39:07]
accelerate a timeline and and maybe
[1:39:09]
provide more collal signs. Um, but if
[1:39:13]
that happens, I'll bring it to you.
[1:39:15]
And just a second thing, over the last
[1:39:18]
week or so, especially my district, I've
[1:39:21]
also gotten complaints about the smell
[1:39:22]
from the landfill. Now, the landfill has
[1:39:25]
their own reporting portal as does the
[1:39:28]
city. Do we get any information from
[1:39:30]
Middle Point on, hey, here's how many
[1:39:33]
complaints we've had? Do we say, you
[1:39:36]
know, what's our communication with
[1:39:38]
Middle Point when the smell seems to be
[1:39:40]
getting bad over a certain period of
[1:39:42]
time?
[1:39:43]
>> They don't report their data. I don't
[1:39:45]
know if they do at all.
[1:39:47]
If they did, it would be to Tde. Um, and
[1:39:51]
I would definitely encourage people to
[1:39:53]
use those portals, especially the one
[1:39:55]
for City of Mersboro.
[1:39:57]
I think a lot of people have reported it
[1:40:00]
once or twice before and where there's
[1:40:02]
less complaints now. People assume that
[1:40:04]
it's not a problem and it it's something
[1:40:07]
that I would report it every time a
[1:40:10]
citizen smells it. I I know there's
[1:40:12]
reporting fatigue because Middle Point
[1:40:14]
says that they'll get back to you.
[1:40:16]
They've never once over four years for
[1:40:18]
me of reporting. So, I just I didn't
[1:40:20]
know if if they were working with you.
[1:40:22]
>> I um I have a contact over there I can
[1:40:24]
talk to and see what they'lling to share
[1:40:27]
with us. Um I I don't know what they're
[1:40:31]
actually required to do.
[1:40:32]
>> Thank you.
[1:40:37]
» Anything else for Mr. Davis?
[1:40:40]
Thank you for your report, Mr. Davis.
[1:40:42]
>> Thank you.
[1:40:44]
That brings us down to other business.
[1:40:46]
Does anyone have any other business? Mr.
[1:40:49]
McGawan,
[1:40:50]
>> I was just curious. I just I didn't see
[1:40:52]
where we approved the minutes.
[1:40:54]
>> We didn't have any for this governing
[1:40:57]
group.
[1:40:58]
>> Okay.
[1:40:59]
>> So, we
[1:40:59]
>> I didn't know about the August meeting.
[1:41:02]
>> I think that's already been covered.
[1:41:04]
Maybe.
[1:41:06]
>> Anything else?
[1:41:09]
Yeah,
[1:41:11]
we have an invitation
[1:41:16]
Monday, October the 19th at 700 p.m. at
[1:41:20]
Heritage Center to join the Recycle
[1:41:24]
Rutherford group for their meeting. All
[1:41:28]
commissioners on this committee are
[1:41:31]
invited and encouraged to attend.
[1:41:35]
Mr. Allen, do you have anything you'd
[1:41:37]
like to add to this great committee?
[1:41:43]
» I have one I have a couple of
[1:41:45]
recommendations for the new com for the
[1:41:48]
new commissioners that this is your
[1:41:50]
first night and most likely you've
[1:41:52]
probably already done this.
[1:41:56]
We can either get you a copy or you can
[1:42:00]
uh call Rachel or maybe Nick and get a
[1:42:04]
copy of the Jackson law and become very
[1:42:08]
familiar with that law, what it is, what
[1:42:10]
it does for us. And I would encourage
[1:42:14]
you to get a copy of our host agreement
[1:42:17]
with Republic Services
[1:42:20]
and read it. Uh won't take you long. You
[1:42:24]
might want to learn to read it. read it
[1:42:26]
both directions, but uh that would be a
[1:42:28]
recommendation for somebody that has sat
[1:42:30]
on this committee 12 years. If there's
[1:42:33]
nothing else, I'll take a motion to
[1:42:36]
adjourn.
[1:42:40]
» So maybe thank you very much.