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[8:52]
Good evening everyone and welcome to the
SO City Council meeting for Monday, July
[8:56]
20th at 6:30 p.m. Before we call the
official meeting to order, we do have
[9:01]
two workshop items uh that we will be
addressing. First, the first item is an
[9:05]
assessing overview. And with us, we have
Assessor Shawn McCarthy.
[9:16]
And with him, Deputy Assessor Kate
Karns.
[9:42]
It did. Thank goodness
>> it works.
[9:45]
» All right.
>> Hello everyone.
[9:47]
» Good evening. [clears throat]
>> So, uh, my deputy assessor Kate Kern is
[9:51]
going to start us off here and then I'll
take over in a little bit. So, Kate,
[9:54]
» sure. I just want to say good evening,
city council, mayor, administrator
[9:59]
Pelleter. We're just here to give you an
update on what's been happening in the
[10:04]
assessing department and the values
citywide. Um,
[10:09]
so what were the results of the vision,
measure, and list that we completed
[10:13]
about six months ago? Um, how do we
update the values? Why did we update the
[10:19]
values? And what does that mean for the
future? Those are the big topics. And
[10:25]
for the measure and list, we basic
[10:31]
up here. Um, for the measure and list,
um, the purpose of that was to
[10:38]
go property to property and make sure
that we had good data for each parcel.
[10:42]
Um, when people were home, they were
able to talk to them. Um, when they were
[10:47]
allowed in, they were able to go in and
verify data that way. They took new
[10:51]
photos of every property. when they
weren't able to get in but felt like
[10:56]
they needed to, they would send
follow-up letters and go back. Um, so
[11:00]
having done this 18month project gave us
a good foundation to go ahead and um
[11:07]
have solid a solid data foundation to
start analyzing the sales and the market
[11:13]
in SACO. Um, and that's what we've been
doing.
[11:19]
» So a statistical update. Um there's a
few pieces of information uh that I want
[11:24]
to go over before we get into the the
actual process. Right? So a few terms.
[11:29]
Sales ratio. What is a sales ratio? It's
a basically a measure of how close our
[11:32]
assessments are to market rate. Right?
Usually expressed as a percentage. If
[11:37]
you have a $100,000 property that sells
for 80,000 or that we have assessed at
[11:41]
$80,000, we would be at 80% of market
value. Just simple math terms. Um so
[11:46]
it's a measure of accuracy. How accurate
are we on our assessments? Um it uh we
[11:52]
use the average ratio across the city to
uh determine the amount the state
[11:57]
reimbures us for exemptions. If we fall
too low, the state gives us less money
[12:01]
and we have to factor homestead
exemptions, veterans exemptions, a bunch
[12:05]
of things across the city. So the state
the the law is 70% to 110% is the range
[12:13]
you can be in and still be within
compliance of the rules the state sets
[12:17]
for us as assessors. If you drop below
91% that's when the factoring of
[12:21]
exemptions starts happening. There's
also the quality rating. This is a
[12:26]
measure of how far from the average
ratio any given sale is. So if the
[12:31]
average ratio is 100% and you have a
sale that comes in at 110% the quality
[12:37]
rating for that sale is 10, right? And
so you average that out across the whole
[12:41]
sample. That's your quality rating. It's
a measure of how precise we are. Right?
[12:45]
Our average could be good, but we could
have a huge cluster of sales at 150 and
[12:48]
a huge cluster at 50%. I wouldn't say
we're doing a good job in that scenario,
[12:53]
right? So that's what quality rating is
measuring. Um it's used to determine how
[12:57]
equitable assessments are. In the case
where there's a big group at 150 and a
[13:00]
group at 50, we're not equitable, right?
So that's what this is measuring. And
[13:05]
the state requires a quality rating of
less than 20. That's the line for this.
[13:10]
So a statistical update, how do we do
it? Um, first we collect and analyze
[13:17]
sales. The assessment department gets
every single sale that happens in the
[13:20]
city of SACO, assuming you record your
sale at the registry of deeds. Um, and
[13:26]
now the a lot of these sales are no
good. They're not what we call qualified
[13:30]
sales. If you pass down a piece of of
land to your child, that's not a qualifi
[13:34]
qualified sale. If you give 500 square f
feet to your butter so they can put a
[13:38]
shed on their property, that's not a
qualified sale. We want arms length
[13:42]
transactions between two unrelated
parties. It's exposed to the market.
[13:46]
Both parties are trying to get the best
deal for themselves, right? That's what
[13:49]
we're looking for. Those are qualified
sales. We had 399 of them in the area,
[13:56]
the uh time period we used to calculate
this most recent valuation update. That
[14:00]
time period was July 1st of 24 to June
31st of 2025. Right? That's the time
[14:07]
frame the state uses to judge us when
they audit us every year. So, it's this
[14:10]
the time frame we use. Um, you can push
it out to 18 months if you want, but we
[14:14]
didn't need to do that. 399 is more than
enough. Um, so you look at that, you get
[14:19]
all of the sales data in, you prune out
the bad ones. Now, we need to determine
[14:23]
what adjustments need to be made at all.
Right? If we're at 100%, great. Job's
[14:28]
done. We don't need to do anything. Um,
that was not the case when we started
[14:32]
looking at the data. So, we look at if
we have a single family home sale, we're
[14:37]
going to look at that from a bunch of
different angles. We're going to look at
[14:40]
what type of home is it. Is it a
colonial? Is it a Cape Cod? Is it a
[14:43]
ranch? We're going to look at the square
footage. We're going to look when was it
[14:46]
built? We're going to look the
neighborhood in the city that it it
[14:49]
exists within. Right? And when you have
399 sales, you get a good sampling for a
[14:55]
majority of the city. Not everywhere,
but for a lot of it. And in some
[14:58]
neighborhoods, you'll have a lot of good
data, some less so. Right? So we start
[15:02]
looking at it from all those different
angles to try to find out where our weak
[15:04]
points are. So we have like a test
database. It's all of our data from the
[15:10]
live database that I can go in and just
start making changes and do crazy stuff
[15:14]
and it won't affect people's actual
valuations that they pay their taxes on.
[15:18]
Right? So essentially we got those
sales, we saw where we were at. I start
[15:22]
making changes. We change something,
look and see what it does to the data.
[15:27]
analyze the results and then repeat
until we get to a place we're happy
[15:31]
with. Right? You may have noticed at no
part in this did I pull comps for a
[15:36]
property. At no part in this did I go in
and drill down and start really
[15:41]
analyzing the minute details of what
makes this property unique. That is not
[15:46]
what this is. That's not what the
assessment department does. We do what's
[15:49]
called mass appraisal. And this is how
mass appraisal is performed. It is
[15:54]
statistical analysis. when you're at the
level the size of the city of Sako,
[15:57]
you've got 400 sales in a year. We're
not quibbling over a single sale
[16:03]
necessarily. Now, there are cases where
we might we can get into that a little
[16:06]
bit later. Now, this the graph I'm sure
you've seen on the screen is a measure
[16:11]
of all the ratios after I made the
update of every single sale in our
[16:16]
sample. And you'll notice the red line
is the average. And it might be hard to
[16:20]
see cuz it's a little small, but you'll
notice at the left side of the graph,
[16:24]
which is the oldest sales, it's about
95ish, maybe a little higher. And then
[16:30]
as you go to the right and time goes on
and we go to 2025, it slowly trends down
[16:36]
and it ends probably somewhere in the
85%ish range. That is the market
[16:41]
changing over the course of the sample.
Um, I'm sure many people have a lot of
[16:46]
opinions about what the market in the
city of Sako is doing. I can promise you
[16:50]
it is appreciating in general. Does that
mean there are places where that may not
[16:54]
may be less true? Absolutely. But in
general, on average, we're appreciating
[17:00]
about 5 to 8% a year right now. I'm not
going to try to pretend to understand
[17:06]
what might happen 6 months from now, but
that's where we're at today.
[17:10]
So once we make those changes, I've
analyzed the results. I feel comfortable
[17:14]
with what we've got. We push those d
changes to the live database. We update
[17:18]
everyone's real values that they will
pay taxes on. And that's what was on the
[17:23]
letter that everyone got, right? That
was the the updated data that we pushed
[17:27]
to the live database.
So we made the changes. We went from
[17:34]
about 77%
when I started analyzing the data back
[17:39]
in February to about 91%.
And the question a lot of people have
[17:45]
asked me and I'm sure some of you have
heard as well is well Sean why'd you
[17:50]
bother to do anything at all? Right? You
could have just left it. You weren't
[17:53]
below the 70%. You could have just
stayed there. And there's a few reasons.
[17:58]
First one, factoring to a lower ratio
cost the city money directly, meaning it
[18:02]
raises taxes by get us getting less
money from the state. If we were to
[18:08]
factor today, if we stayed at 77%, I
calculated this using the tax rate
[18:12]
calculation sheet based on our current
budget, we would lose about $277,000
[18:17]
in state reimbursement for exemptions.
So, everyone's homestead's going down.
[18:21]
And we'd lose about $145,000 in revenue
from personal property. Now, personal
[18:26]
property isn't a huge percentage of the
budget, but $145,000 is not pocket
[18:31]
change, right? Because we have to factor
personal property to be where whatever
[18:35]
real estate is at. So, if we're at 77%,
they're coming down to 77% as well. So,
[18:40]
that's a direct loss in revenue. There's
also a shift that occurs as your ratio
[18:46]
gets lower. There's sort of a floor that
you can be at and have a home at all,
[18:53]
right? And as we get lower and lower, as
our percentages get lower, that we get
[18:58]
approach that floor and all the
difference between a higherend property
[19:01]
and a lower-end property shrinks. And
now that's fine in theory, but it has
[19:07]
very real tax bill implications. So I've
I've got a little chart here. Uh I won't
[19:12]
bore you with the details, but you'll
notice at the lower-end property, if we
[19:16]
go from 70% to 100% and we have, let's
say, a budget increase, so the mill rate
[19:21]
doesn't absorb all of that. we go to
$850, similar to the situation we find
[19:24]
ourselves in here today. Their tax bill
is about $450, but the $700,000 property
[19:31]
goes from 70 to 100% and their tax bill
goes increases by $1,000. Right? The the
[19:37]
less valuable property is shouldering
less of the property tax burden because
[19:43]
there is a greater actual difference in
the values between the 300,000 and the
[19:47]
700,000 in this example. Right? It's a
very simple explanation but I hope you
[19:55]
understand that you see the theory. Um,
so we've talked a lot of theoreticals.
[20:01]
What did we actually do? So we adjusted
building values first. We based it on
[20:07]
industry standards. Marshall and Swift
is what we use. That's cost price per
[20:11]
square foot for things. How much does it
cost to get a shed? How much does it
[20:14]
cost to put a Whirlpool tub in your
bathroom? Right? That's where so we
[20:18]
update the the the cost values based on
Marshall and Swift and then land values
[20:24]
increase to conform with sale prices. So
what do I mean by this? So if I know
[20:29]
that our cost data is good and I have
two 1500 square foot ranches built to
[20:34]
the same quality, maybe even built by
the same builder, but one is in one part
[20:39]
of the city and one is in another part
of the city and one sold for $200,000
[20:43]
more. I don't think that the the uh
difference there is in the building.
[20:49]
It's in the land. One of those places is
more desirable to live for one reason or
[20:53]
another. And when we have sufficient
sales in certain neighborhoods, when I
[20:57]
initially started doing this process, I
changed the sale the cost data first
[21:02]
because that's the most straightforward.
And then I started look analyzing the
[21:05]
data again and I noticed that some
neighborhoods were maybe at 85% and some
[21:11]
maybe were at 65%. These neighborhood
values haven't been changed in more than
[21:16]
a decade at this point ultimately and
the city has changed. I'm sure anyone
[21:21]
who's been here over that last decade
could tell you that the city looks very
[21:24]
different today than it did back in
2016. And so we updated those values so
[21:30]
that the ratio of those sales comes
closer to that 91%. We're aiming for
[21:34]
par. It's not an exact science, but if
we can get everyone pretty darn close to
[21:38]
91%,
I feel like we've done a good job.
[21:42]
So, and this it's worth noting the 91%
as I mentioned is the minimum increase
[21:48]
to get 100% value of all of the
exemptions and everything else. So, the
[21:54]
reason being the state lets you claim to
be within 10% of whatever your true
[21:58]
ratio is. So, if we're at 91, 10% of 91
is nine. We can claim 100, right? But
[22:05]
that does mean that if the market
continues to appreciate, we quickly fall
[22:09]
below that minimum threshold. So there's
a balancing act to be had here. Do we go
[22:14]
all the way to 100%, risk the market
collapsing, risk things changing, and
[22:18]
then we have to make further
unforeseen adjustments in the future or
[22:22]
do we do the minimum possible adjustment
to give make it the least abrasive for
[22:28]
taxpayers
but risk having to do updates again in
[22:32]
the future? I don't think any assessor
would tell you that there's a right
[22:35]
answer to that question, but we chose to
go to 91%. Um, it's worth noting we went
[22:40]
from 77 with a 14 quality rating to 91
with a five quality rating. So, we have
[22:46]
improved the quality of the data
overall.
[22:50]
So, I threw a lot at you. What has
happened so far? I'm sure you've all
[22:54]
heard quite a bit about the fact that
values have changed, right? We sent out
[22:58]
letters to every taxpayer with their new
valuations on them, right? uh they
[23:02]
didn't land all at once such as the
whims of the USPS, but we sent them out
[23:06]
and we made available an online booking
tool so that anyone could go on the
[23:11]
city's website and click on a thing and
schedule some time with us. Um we've
[23:15]
taken 38 of those meetings and scheduled
124 more of them. Uh I have
[23:19]
unfortunately had to pull down the
booking page purely because all of the
[23:23]
time slots in it were full and now
people can still call. we'll talk with
[23:28]
you on the phone or we'll schedule a
time to squeeze you in somewhere, right?
[23:31]
We'll make it work. We want want to meet
with as many people as possible. But the
[23:34]
automated system had had fulfilled its
purpose and I think honestly I'm pretty
[23:38]
I didn't think we'd get that many to be
entirely honest with you. So, I'm pretty
[23:41]
pleased with that. Um, as of right now,
since the the the letters hit, we've
[23:46]
taken 235 phone calls and an unknown
number of walk-ins. I wish I'd tracked
[23:50]
it, but I have not. It was quite a few,
I'm sure you can imagine.
[23:55]
So, what next? talked about it a little
bit. We're going to keep looking at
[23:58]
sales, right? We keep getting them. I
analyze them. I look at them on a
[24:02]
monthly basis. Our property appraiser
comes in and shows me ones that are
[24:05]
especially out of line with our assessed
value. U but come January, February of
[24:11]
this coming year, I'm going to be
looking at this again, right? Where are
[24:14]
we? Because the state will be looking at
it too. And uh we need to at least have
[24:19]
an idea of where we are. If necessary,
the market continues to change. will
[24:25]
continue to make adjustments. That
means, I want to be clear, both up and
[24:29]
down. If the market collapses underneath
us, I don't think we're foreseeing a
[24:33]
2008 situation. But if it goes down, if
we lose 5% over the next year, I'll
[24:38]
happily drop values 5%. Right? I want
our data to be accurate first and
[24:42]
foremost. And if that means going down,
then we'll happily go down.
[24:46]
This point, I know I threw a lot at you.
Any questions?
[24:51]
» Thanks, Sean. Any questions? Councelor
Huitt and Councelor Edwards, when can
[24:57]
people expect to see their tax bills in
the mail?
[24:59]
» Sure. Um, the plan is to commit early
August. The tax bill will hit early
[25:03]
September and then it is due uh October
14th.
[25:13]
» Yep. Go ahead, Council Huitt. Will there
still be a discount for the historic
[25:17]
district?
>> There is no discount for the historical
[25:20]
district that I'm aware of.
Okay.
[25:25]
» Yeah. I will say they generally
sell for less than equivalent properties
[25:31]
elsewhere because of the burden placed
on them by being in the historical
[25:35]
district. But there's there's not a line
item in our um assessment database for
[25:40]
historical district. At least not right
now.
[25:45]
» Anything else?
>> Councelor Edwards.
[25:48]
» Thank you, Mayor. Um hi. So, the several
calls that I received,
[25:54]
they were um of course not happy with
knowing that their houses were more, but
[26:00]
um the part of the concern was the time
period and I was wondering if for their
[26:09]
sakes and and mine frankly um would do
you see in the future having an
[26:15]
assessment maybe in five years versus
another decade?
[26:20]
Um I would I think my preference would
be that these be smaller and more
[26:25]
regular. Um the last big update was in
2023. Um we went up like 35% across the
[26:33]
city purely because we were trying to
keep some something close to pace with
[26:36]
the COVID market. We've obviously slowed
since then. U but we're still
[26:40]
appreciating it. I mean 5 to 8% a year
is is quite a good clip. That's not
[26:45]
usual. Um, so yeah, at least until the
market starts changing, if we start
[26:50]
seeing a tailing off, uh, we can maybe
slow down updates then, but it would be
[26:55]
my personal preference that we make
small updates every year so it's not
[26:59]
20%. Here you go. Right. Right.
>> Thank you,
[27:02]
» Council Warren.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, when you talk
[27:06]
about a five or 10% assessment per year,
are you talking about pulsing that
[27:11]
number of properties? What What are we
talking about with that number? So um
[27:14]
when we're when I'm talking about five
to 10% I'm talking about appreciation of
[27:18]
the market the values are increasing by
that amount.
[27:22]
» Okay. And do we just automatically bake
that in as an incremental increase to
[27:27]
the assessment without going back out
and actually physically reassessing
[27:30]
which is what we've done this cycle?
>> Right. So this cycle we went we sent out
[27:34]
the vision data collectors to ensure our
data was accurate. Um I I don't think
[27:38]
it's perfect by any means but it's
certainly better than it was before. We
[27:41]
continue to look at any property that
pulls a building permit. Any property if
[27:44]
a property sells and we notice that, oh,
that was well above our assessed value.
[27:48]
Oh, look, they have a finished basement
we didn't have. We'll update properties
[27:51]
that way as well. But we don't go like
set a goal to go out and say see 10% of
[27:56]
the city every year. It's not
specifically anyway. We do often just by
[28:00]
nature of doing our jobs, following
building permits, all of that stuff. But
[28:04]
yeah,
councelor Gail.
[28:08]
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, I guess thank you
so much for you and your staff for being
[28:14]
so open and uh willing to meet with
folks and talk talk with them. That's
[28:18]
super helpful and um I've heard from
some folks that that was a a good
[28:23]
conversation. So, thank you.
>> Um I guess just could you go back and
[28:30]
explain to me the the quality rating?
Could you go over that one more time?
[28:33]
I'm not
>> Absolutely. Let's go back in time real
[28:37]
fast. I caught I caught that piece of
it.
[28:39]
» Sure. So, we determine our average sales
ratio. Let's say it's 91% for the sake
[28:43]
of argument. And then we get a a sale in
that sample sells for 100% of our
[28:50]
assessed value. It would have a quality
rating of nine because it is 9% away
[28:55]
from the average, right? And so the goal
is that a majority or most of your sales
[29:00]
are close to the average. Right? So, if
if we have um a property and it sells
[29:07]
for 200% of its assessed value, that's a
quality rating of quick math in my head,
[29:14]
108. Obviously, something is wrong
there, right? That I would look at that
[29:18]
and say clearly our data is incorrect.
Like, I know where our our overall
[29:24]
valuation is at. if something is at 200%
clearly that the data going into the
[29:28]
system is wrong rather than like a
fundamental problem with the way we
[29:32]
value a property. Um so on average so
you uh you determine the quality rating
[29:37]
for every single individual sale. In our
case it was 400 and then you average
[29:42]
that up and the average of your quality
rating is your quality rating for your
[29:46]
assessments as a whole. So in our case
after the updates it was 5.6 was what we
[29:51]
were at after we made all of the
adjustments. was 14 in change. I don't
[29:56]
remember the decimal at before the
adjustments. So, we we brought everyone
[30:00]
a little bit closer together.
>> And is there um
[30:06]
I guess do you know or do you have a
sense from from other communities and
[30:10]
other assessors kind of where that ranks
in southern Maine? I mean, that seems
[30:15]
like a pretty accurate
>> Yeah, to be honest, I don't know. Um, I
[30:20]
know generally assessors don't like to
be above 10. That's kind of a line like,
[30:24]
okay, you need to start making some
adjustments because something's clearly
[30:27]
wrong. Um, 20, like I mentioned, is the
statutory line. That's where main
[30:30]
revenue comes in and says, okay, you you
need to do something different because
[30:33]
clearly whatever you're doing is is
wrong.
[30:36]
» Um, but generally they like to stay
under 10. So, I feel like if we're under
[30:39]
10, if we could get below five, I'd love
to see it. But, you know, small
[30:43]
victories.
>> Gotcha. Yeah. And I guess just to to
[30:46]
echo what councelor Edwards was
mentioning just in terms of the length
[30:49]
in between um just in some conversations
it feels like the shorter uh or the more
[30:56]
frequent but smaller increases would be
appreciated. Yeah.
[31:01]
» This was a big one. So
>> thank you.
[31:05]
» Thank you. Anyone else? Council Johnston
one point to your to your question.
[31:11]
Since prior to 2021,
we were appreciating like this and then
[31:17]
COVID hit and it went like this. And so
we haven't seen these kind of increases
[31:23]
in the history of the city until 21. And
that's when the market started taking
[31:28]
off. And that's when every year
consistently more and more and more. So
[31:33]
it's we've really kept up the best we
possibly could with the data. I mean,
[31:38]
you you can't change assessments on a
dime. you need all of the data to look
[31:42]
at. So the 2023 increase 24 25 here we
are again. Um and like I said you just
[31:52]
prior to 21 it was pretty steady and
then it just went like this. So I think
[31:56]
it's impossible to really tell right
now.
[32:01]
» Council question.
>> Yes. Go ahead then. Councelor Johnston.
[32:05]
» Okay. Um I guess just a a hypothetical.
So in terms of adding additional housing
[32:10]
stock
>> Mhm.
[32:11]
» Um with the increase in in sales prices
um theoretically then it's that's
[32:22]
that's going to only increase the the
values, right? Unless there was some
[32:26]
sort of market correction and and the
the new housing stock was going below
[32:34]
um
below the market.
[32:37]
» Yeah.
>> Today does that make
[32:39]
» Yeah. I understand what your question is
I think and let me know if I answer it
[32:43]
and it's totally off in left field but
like we generally don't try to draw
[32:46]
conclusions from for example Omari Court
um that's a relatively new subdivision
[32:52]
that got put in that all the sales sold
at once. So we have good data on Amari
[32:56]
court. I tried my I tried to keep Amari
court in Amari court, right? It does
[33:02]
tell us something, right? Because
they're valued the same way any other
[33:06]
property in the city is valued in
theory, right? We put in we draw the
[33:10]
sketch, we put all the same attributes
in. So if Amari Court is selling for
[33:14]
well above our assessed value, that does
speak to a problem. But if I make some
[33:21]
updates and Amari Court is still
substantially lower than everything
[33:24]
else, that speaks to us needing to make
adjustments on Amari Court itself
[33:28]
specifically rather than on the city
generally. Yeah,
[33:33]
» Council Johnston,
>> thank you. Um, thank you for the
[33:36]
presentation. My question though is um
for the administrator
[33:41]
I I think most of the questions are all
good have been answered but I think the
[33:46]
outstanding question for most residents
remains the mill rate and could you give
[33:51]
us an idea of when that would be set and
with valuations increasing is it likely
[33:56]
that we will see a reduction in mill
rate
[33:58]
» it is and I've spoken to both Sean and
Kate um like they said we're going to uh
[34:02]
commit the 1 of August I don't want to
put a number out there now, but I will
[34:07]
say yes, it will drop based on what was
presented during the budget. I want them
[34:11]
to be able to finish their work with the
meetings with each indiv individual
[34:14]
resident because I know part of that is
reviewing the data with the residents as
[34:19]
they're coming in to make sure that
their numbers are all accurate. Um, but
[34:23]
my plan would be hopefully by I'm going
to be optimistic and say the August 3rd
[34:28]
meeting, I might be able to report that
out in my administrator's report.
[34:33]
» Thank you.
>> A slight addendum. Our our plan
[34:35]
currently is to commit August 3rd. Okay.
So, it might not be done in time for
[34:40]
that, but hopefully I'll do my best to
go fast.
[34:44]
» Thank you. Anyone else?
[34:49]
» Okay, not seeing anyone. Thank you very
much.
[34:59]
Okay, next up we have Director Moore
with a workshop on the Smith Do Stockman
[35:04]
connector update.
[35:15]
Good evening. So, I brought uh one of my
co-workers with me, uh Adam Bliss, the
[35:21]
city engineer. So, he's going to get
into some of the technical aspects, but
[35:26]
I'm just going to start off by giving an
update of where we're at uh to date.
[35:33]
So, kind of going to go through the
background, where where the project
[35:36]
started, where we're at. Um we'll we'll
look at the design, uh talk about some
[35:42]
options that we have, and then obviously
answer any questions that you you may
[35:46]
have. So, first off, the background. So,
it's been a long-standing goal of the
[35:51]
city to uh have a back connection to
those parcels on the east side of Route
[35:55]
One, similar to what we have across the
street on the west side over by
[35:59]
Hannerford and behind McDonald's and
down to Hutchkins. So, in 2021 when the
[36:05]
redevelopment of the old Pizza Hut was
done in the Chipotle, Jersey Mike. So
[36:10]
that's kind of where, you know, the city
got involved, the planning got involved,
[36:14]
and we actually have title to a 50- foot
strip of land that is on the back side
[36:20]
of that parcel. And then fast forward to
May of 22, council appropriated uh
[36:26]
$75,000 for public works to begin survey
and design of what that connector road
[36:32]
could look like. And then um we did
present this at the at the May 15, 2025
[36:39]
uh traffic safety committee meeting. So
it has had some some public um outreach
[36:45]
at this point.
So this is from the 2019 Route One
[36:51]
corridor study. And this is where um
page like south is where like that
[36:59]
connector road that we're going to be
talking about opposite you know page
[37:03]
north that's over by the Hannerford
that's the back connection behind the uh
[37:08]
McDonald's down to the Hutchinson
Street.
[37:14]
So to date we have 90% uh plans. Those
plans will allow us to be able to go
[37:20]
forward for for permitting if if
construction is uh pushed forward. And
[37:25]
then once the permitting is done, we
would uh be able to update those
[37:30]
drawings for final drawings that could
be released for construction.
[37:34]
Some of the remaining items that we
have, as I said, permitting, uh
[37:39]
easements, there's still a few uh
easements or land acquisitions that we'd
[37:42]
be looking for. And then the uh the
obvious one is funding.
[37:49]
So, we have three options and I'm going
to pass it off to uh to Adam to kind of
[37:54]
talk about these. But the three options
that we have is a no build. You know,
[37:58]
obviously there's zero dollars involved
in that. We could construct drainage
[38:03]
only. That gives us an estimate of about
600,000. And then if we construct the
[38:08]
entire roadway, which would be drainage,
and the uh the connector road, that'd be
[38:13]
roughly $1.1 million. So, I'm going to
pass it off to Adam and he can kind of
[38:19]
talk through some of the some of the
details.
[38:27]
Good evening everybody. My name is Adam
Bliss. I happily serve as your city
[38:31]
engineer. Um,
so the reason we're here tonight is to
[38:36]
receive direction on this project. Um,
this project we believe was
[38:41]
conceptualized back in 2004 in a main
street study and then in 2019 it was
[38:47]
really studied as part of the route one
saco scarboro uh corridor
[38:54]
and um one of the many concepts within
that plan was this Smith Stockman
[39:01]
connector. So, for orientation, um we uh
Smith Lane fronts the Chipotle and
[39:09]
Jersey Mike's uh restaurants.
Um on the other side, right side of the
[39:15]
page is
>> Excuse me, Adam. I'm just going to make
[39:17]
sure you speak right into the
microphone.
[39:18]
» Apologize for that.
>> Thank you.
[39:20]
» Is that better?
>> Yes.
[39:21]
» For the recording aspects, too.
>> Thank you. Um, real quickly, Smith Lane
[39:26]
abuts the
uh Chipotle Jersey Mike's restaurant and
[39:31]
on the right side of the page is uh
Dairy Queen, which is Stockman. So, in
[39:36]
between is this Smith Stockman Connector
Road. What I've done is taken um an
[39:43]
aerial photo, I've overlaid the design
of the project and I've colored it to
[39:48]
illustrate the components of the project
to grasp the scope of work. So this plan
[39:53]
is a an illustrative form of the scope
of work. In purple is the connector
[40:00]
road. That is the primary reason we are
here. The other um component to it, a
[40:07]
pretty significant factor is shaded in
blue are drainage opportunities. I'll
[40:13]
say the larger blue uh shape is a storm
water pond and the smaller two are more
[40:20]
ancillary storm water options. It's
basically taking overland drainage and
[40:25]
putting it into subsurface drainage
pipe. The orange uh shape on the right
[40:31]
side is a minor sidewalk extension going
down Smith uh Smith Lane.
[40:38]
So again, um roadway, drainage,
sidewalks.
[40:45]
Um Travis presented three options.
There's the no build, then there's the
[40:50]
full build, which is all of those
components, and then in between is just
[40:54]
the drainage part. Um,
both the drainage and the roadway have
[40:59]
pros and cons to them, which should be
communicated. Um,
[41:03]
there's the obvious traffic. That's the
reason this idea was conceptualized was
[41:08]
for access management on Route One. And
making the intersections, the signalized
[41:16]
intersections at Route One more
efficient has pros and cons because
[41:21]
we're diverting traffic down potentially
private or uh more quieter roads,
[41:28]
certainly quieter than than Route One.
And then um so that can be a pro and con
[41:35]
depending on you know your how you how
you view it. And then the drainage
[41:38]
component has a has a has a pro. It's an
opportunity to capture some drainage
[41:44]
that comes from mostly private
properties a little bit from US Route 1.
[41:50]
Um capture that treat it detain it and
then slowly release it. But with that
[41:57]
with the construction of that pond, we
have to take trees out and that that
[42:04]
could that would would mean um less
buffering, less separation for in terms
[42:10]
of noise, light um and visual separation
from those businesses that front route
[42:17]
one. So again, pros and cons to both of
those components. And I'll take a pause.
[42:24]
I think I've, you know, pretty much
illustrated the scope of work. I can
[42:29]
certainly go into detail, but I'll take
a pause and let um counselors or mayor
[42:34]
ask any questions you may or may have.
>> Thank you. Any questions from
[42:39]
counselors? Councelor Anin, then
councelor Hwitt.
[42:42]
» Thank you, mayor. Uh, just for my
edification, where did this project come
[42:45]
from?
[42:49]
» You want to It was when I was on
council, but I'll let Travis [laughter]
[42:54]
» Yeah. So, like Adam said, this was
studied in or this was recommended in
[42:58]
previous studies. And then in 200
[43:03]
um 2022 was when council appropriated
the money to begin the survey and the
[43:09]
design of the roadway. So, it's been in
the works or recommended for for several
[43:15]
years and then we had the funding to be
able to to move forward with the design.
[43:20]
So it was cons council initiated
>> and if I remember correctly when
[43:24]
bitterford saco dental was built it was
supposed to have been included at that
[43:30]
time correct and it did not get
completed so it carried over.
[43:33]
» Yep.
>> How much land has to be purchased?
[43:48]
» It's not loading. Maybe um here we go.
Um less than an acre, maybe half an acre
[43:56]
roughly.
>> So
[43:58]
» a little bit more than half an acre.
>> Quarter of a million dollars.
[44:01]
Half a million.
>> Well, I honestly um councelor on and I
[44:04]
could not put a dollar value to it. Um I
I really couldn't.
[44:10]
But um uh qualitatively I would say
there are there are three land owners,
[44:18]
five easements. Three of them of those
easements belong to the ledges. Um
[44:24]
that's the housing development. Um and
of the three we already have one of
[44:29]
those easements. The other two easements
are from Starbucks, a very small sliver,
[44:34]
and then um uh 3,300 square feet from
IHOP. So
[44:42]
» just that um traffic safety did review
this in 2025. So that continued after
[44:47]
that as well.
>> And just uh just a note that all but
[44:52]
IHOP has been engaged in this process
and there's been positive communication
[44:57]
with those related to the to the
easements needed.
[45:01]
» So those have been done few years ago
now but the conversations have been had.
[45:07]
Council Huitt, have the abuing land
holders, they've all been notified then
[45:12]
from the conversation. Okay.
[45:17]
Council Gail.
>> Uh could you remind me was there going
[45:21]
to be sidewalks
included in the connector road or is it
[45:26]
was it just curb and drainage?
[45:35]
» One second, please.
>> Yeah. Little uh little latency here.
[45:41]
» I believe there were sidewalks proposed.
>> Okay. And then um
[45:48]
I guess with with this connector road
then it gives us the option for access
[45:53]
management on the frontage on route one
too. Correct. if we were to to look at
[45:59]
that in the future
um to make things safer at that
[46:04]
intersection
on that road.
[46:07]
» And yes, Councelor Gail, sidewalks were
included in the project.
[46:12]
» Great.
[46:16]
» Anyone else at this time?
>> All right, continue.
[46:21]
Um
[46:31]
so some some of the finer points of this
scope of work that I presented the again
[46:35]
the primary component is this connector
road shaded in purple. Um great question
[46:41]
on the sidewalks. Yes, it's an
opportunity there. Sidewalk
[46:44]
connectivity, neighborhood connections.
um gets pedestrians off the road. Right?
[46:51]
So, we're treating this as if it's a
more of a complete street rather than a
[46:56]
thoroughfare.
Um in the blue, which I've mentioned
[47:00]
already, the the primary the larger blue
shape, is a storm water pond. That's for
[47:07]
quality and quantity. um capturing that
runoff before it gets to uh downstream
[47:14]
receiving water bodies um and treating
it. The the other drainage components
[47:21]
are relatively small. One is modifying
an existing storm water pond um that
[47:27]
would be behind Starbucks. And then I
mentioned on Stockman
[47:33]
um while we have the opportunity
converting some overland flow and
[47:38]
putting it into underground piping which
is more efficient and um easier to
[47:43]
maintain.
Um I did mention the purple section
[47:47]
which is extending the sidewalk along
Smith Lane. that would connect what is
[47:52]
on Smith Lane to this connector road and
further down to um Settler's Way which
[47:58]
is just to the uh east of this connector
road and immediately abuing
[48:06]
um
[48:10]
and
I've mentioned it already buffering
[48:14]
that's that's you know that's uh there
there will be a loss of trees and that
[48:19]
should not be taken lightly. You take
trees down and then that enters in light
[48:24]
and noise and visual. Um there will be a
buffer. We did plan for landscaping. We
[48:30]
did um in the design we did land uh plan
for fenced screening but still you are
[48:36]
taking down mature trees. So um and I
think lastly um Travis mentioned
[48:43]
permitting. We would have to go through
the Army Corps of Engineers permitting
[48:46]
and the D uh permitting. Um pretty
straightforward process. It takes time.
[48:53]
Um there are new rules with certain
certainly with the Army Corps of
[48:57]
Engineers. Um something that should be
known by the counselors is when we get a
[49:02]
permit from the Army Army Corps of
Engineers, it's good for one year. The
[49:06]
new rules say it's you have an you have
a year to complete that work and if it's
[49:12]
not completed, then you either ask for
an extension or you um reapply later
[49:17]
down the road. So that should factor in
to your thoughts and the direction you
[49:23]
give to uh Travis and and myself tonight
or some other moment um at some other
[49:30]
meeting if that's if that's how you want
to handle it too.
[49:36]
» Thank you. Any final comments or
questions?
[49:43]
I don't know what you're necessarily
looking for this evening, but um just
[49:48]
for council, I'd say that I've advocated
for this project for at at least four
[49:54]
years, more like seven. Um my initial
involvement with it was in 2017 when we
[50:00]
did the update to the 2011 comp plan. Uh
Don Gerard, he's a former planning board
[50:06]
member, uh was on that committee with me
and had brought up the 2025 plan. that
[50:12]
point, you know, you had a plan that was
12 years old and it made logical sense
[50:16]
that we had traffic issues and
pedestrian issues at at that time, you
[50:22]
know, in 2005. So, you know, to me, I
understand there's some ramifications
[50:28]
for the neighborhoods, but this is the
only real solution we have and it's only
[50:34]
going to get worse. We've seen it from
traffic safety. I can tell you that we
[50:38]
consistently have, you know, complaints,
but issues with speeding, pedestrian
[50:44]
issues along uh the Route One corridor.
It's it's our most traveled corridor.
[50:49]
It's only going to get more as we grow.
This seems to me like a reasonable
[50:54]
solution. I I will add one U caveat here
though, and it did come up at the
[51:00]
traffic safety meeting, which is, you
know, the surrounding neighborhood.
[51:04]
I off the top of my head don't remember
all the street names, but to the right,
[51:08]
you know, there are some concerns about
cut through traffic there. And I think
[51:13]
all of those neighborhoods uh don't have
any sidewalks. So, I think that's
[51:18]
something we should also consider as we
potentially move this forward. How do we
[51:24]
address some of the issues that those
neighborhoods already have, but or
[51:28]
equally have more problems as we re
reroute traffic? Um but otherwise I just
[51:33]
say I think we should move this forward.
[51:38]
» Council Arnon
>> again thank you mayor I weigh in and
[51:41]
just agree with your comment. I think
one of the things we want to recognize
[51:44]
is that recently we just did the calming
testing on route one for exactly that
[51:48]
reason right we put in the speed bumps.
We put in the pylons to see what we
[51:52]
could do to throttle traffic. So I think
this is a good project. I'm just since
[51:55]
new to council wanted to make sure I was
understanding where $1.1 million was
[52:00]
going to go.
[52:03]
Gil
>> and just one other quick question. So
[52:07]
the the IHOP is that
uh are they unresponsive or are they um
[52:14]
not in favor or causing issues with the
easement
[52:19]
because I think we I thought I heard
that we were basically everybody was all
[52:24]
the businesses were okay except for
IHOP.
[52:28]
» Maybe I misinterpreted that. I believe
it was we just hadn't heard anything
[52:32]
from Starbucks.
>> Oh, from Starbucks.
[52:34]
» But we had heard had some positive uh
reception from uh
[52:39]
» from everyone else, but it was just it's
it's from a lack of
[52:43]
communication back, not necessarily that
they are going to cause an issue with
[52:47]
with granting the easement.
>> Yeah. Starbucks, we're just having
[52:50]
trouble getting to the right person.
>> Sure. Yeah.
[52:52]
» But there's been no negative response
from them. We just haven't got a
[52:56]
response.
>> Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. I would just I would
[52:59]
just add that I think um the vast
majority of these commercial properties
[53:04]
will be benefiting from having this back
access. I mean you look at say Dunkin
[53:09]
Donuts on any given morning and the
lines out into Main Street, this would
[53:13]
give you know an alternative way to
access uh which I think would benefit
[53:18]
their business.
[53:21]
» Anyone else?
[53:26]
» Okay. Uh, city administrator Pilot, this
will come back to council as a new
[53:30]
business item or will we just bring it
back?
[53:32]
» That's correct. We're gonna I mean, we
the purpose tonight was to workshop
[53:35]
this. I think we may have some folks
here tonight that'll speak under public
[53:39]
comment uh just so you can hear more
feedback, but this just gives staff the
[53:43]
opportunity to answer any questions this
evening and we will come back.
[53:47]
» Thank you. All right. Thank you both.
>> Thank you.
[53:58]
Okay, that completes the workshop items
and I would like to call the official
[54:02]
meeting to order at 7:15. Would like to
make note of all members present this
[54:06]
evening with the exception of councelor
Doyle. And with us tonight we do have
[54:10]
city administrator Pelleteer. Would you
please join me for the pledge of
[54:13]
» allegiance
[54:17]
to the flags
[54:23]
nationisible?
[54:29]
» Thank you everyone. Okay, moving on to
item number four. There is nothing under
[54:33]
general this evening. Item five is
committee correspondence to council. Are
[54:38]
there any committee members wishing to
share? Councelor Edwards.
[54:45]
» Thank you, Mayor.
As we are in summer, many people are in
[54:50]
and out on vacations, but I wanted to
remind you of the events coming up that
[54:55]
are sponsored in part by SACO Main
Street. Um, so, uh, this Saturday, Music
[55:03]
on Maine, July 25th. This one is
supposed to be uh team focused, but
[55:10]
certainly a great time for a free event
next to the old Vic and Wits. Um and uh
[55:19]
you'll have fun. Also, August 1st coming
up, there's Pride in the Park. It's a
[55:24]
totally free event. You can go to the
sakomainstre.org or
[55:29]
uh to register if you want to be in the
color run or if you want to volunteer.
[55:36]
And speaking about volunteers, they're
always looking for volunteers. And I
[55:40]
understand you may not be available this
summer, but when it's time to go back to
[55:48]
school and you may find yourself with
some time, feel free to peruse the
[55:53]
sakcomainstre.org or web page to take a
look at volunteer opportunities. Thank
[55:59]
you.
>> Great. Thank you very much. Anyone else?
[56:04]
» Okay, moving on to item number six, that
is public comment this evening and I
[56:09]
will start with the signup sheet. As I
call your name, please step forward to
[56:13]
the podium. You will have three minutes
to address the council and we ask that
[56:17]
you state your name, address for the
record. All righty. First up, we have
[56:21]
Sarah Guiles Gardner.
[56:33]
Okay.
[56:37]
» Good evening.
>> Evening.
[56:40]
» I might be falling apart, but I'm here.
Um,
[56:45]
my name, Madame May, Good evening,
Madame Mayor and City Council. My name
[56:49]
is Sarah Jos Gardner and I live at 17
Pinehaven Street.
[56:54]
Got that out of the way. I'm speaking
tonight on behalf of the Blue Haven
[57:00]
resident uh committee and many Sco
families who own their homes but not the
[57:06]
land beneath them. I want to begin by
thanking Councelor Bill Doyle. He showed
[57:11]
up for our community long before he was
elected. He read every email, answered
[57:17]
every question, and made sure our
concerns were heard. Um,
[57:22]
his dedication meant a great deal to us,
and we wish him the very best in his new
[57:27]
role as town manager new roster. We
misses present on this council. Um,
[57:33]
councilors, thank you also for your
work on the rent stabilization
[57:39]
ordinance. So far, article one uh says
its purpose is to protect vulnerable
[57:44]
residents from housing insecurity, and
we appreciate that. We are here because
[57:49]
we want to continue working with you to
make sure that the final ordinance truly
[57:54]
reflects this goal. Our residents have
participated in every step of the
[57:59]
process
because these decisions directly affect
[58:03]
our homes and our stability here in
SACO. We are not here to criticize. We
[58:09]
are here to collaborate. And uh we
believe a few key changes will make this
[58:14]
ordinance strong and fair. Uh we
respectfully ask that you consider um I
[58:21]
will list some five things to go over.
The first one uh reduce the 15% vacancy
[58:28]
increase and clearly defined lawful
vacancy. High vacancy increases lower
[58:33]
resident equity and harm affordability.
affordable housing. Number two, remove
[58:39]
debt service and acquisition interest so
residents are not paying the park
[58:43]
owner's mortgage. Number three, extend
the rent increase hearing notices from
[58:48]
14 days to 45 with certified mail.
Number four, reserve the right oh,
[58:55]
excuse me, reserve at least two rent
stabilization board seats for mobile
[59:00]
home park residents. And number five,
cap the rent increases at CPI or 5%
[59:07]
whichever is lower and remove the plus
1% language. Councilors, we are asking
[59:12]
for stability, transparency, and a fair
process. We want an ordinance that
[59:18]
protects both residents and the business
side, one that prevents future crisises
[59:22]
and strengthens for years to come. Thank
you for your time and your dedication,
[59:27]
your willingness to work with us. Thank
you.
[59:30]
» Thank you, Sarah.
[59:36]
Okay, next on the list we have Barb
Thomas.
[59:44]
Good evening counselors and mayor. I'm
Barb Thomas. I live at Missouri Circle
[59:50]
in Taco.
I started this co-op, the Blue Haven
[59:55]
Resident Cooperative, with one purpose
in mind, to protect our community, keep
[59:59]
it habitable, and ensure that residents
are not pushed out of their homes by
[1:00:03]
rental increases. Over the past 9 to 10
months, we have gone through mediation,
[1:00:08]
face the possibility of a sale, built a
cooperative, and found ourselves working
[1:00:12]
toward an ordinance that can f finally
provide stability. This process has
[1:00:17]
taught us that communities need backup
plans and sometimes backup plans for the
[1:00:22]
backup plans. Yesterday, with the help
of CDI and their team, we were able to
[1:00:28]
bring residents together and share clear
information about what has happened and
[1:00:32]
what comes next with our cooperative and
our community. That conversation helped
[1:00:37]
the community begin to process
everything we've been through and remind
[1:00:41]
us this work matters. Building a strong,
informed, connected community is not
[1:00:46]
optional. It's essential.
We also need you as a city council to
[1:00:51]
listen to and read the information
residents are sharing with you. What we
[1:00:56]
provide is not noise. It is critical
data that directly shapes the next in
[1:01:01]
this process. Whether pro cooperative
ultimately purchase the park or the
[1:01:06]
ordinance becomes the protections that
residents need. Residents input must be
[1:01:12]
a part of your decision-making and not
an afterthought. We do not want to lose
[1:01:17]
any more members of our community. We
have already lost one member of our
[1:01:20]
committee during this process and we
cannot afford to see that continue. The
[1:01:25]
stress, uncertainty, and instability
have real consequences for real people.
[1:01:31]
Without your support and without rent
stabilization ordinance, this is not
[1:01:35]
one-sided. We risk that is not
one-sided. we risk further harm to the
[1:01:40]
very residents this policy is meant to
protect. We need to make sure this
[1:01:44]
ordinance moves forward sooner than
rather than later. I also want to
[1:01:48]
personally thank Joe Gunn and councelor
Bill Doyle for listening to residents
[1:01:52]
and helping them navigate this process.
Their willingness to hear residents
[1:01:56]
concerns and engage directly has made a
meaningful difference and we appreciate
[1:02:00]
their continued support. And now it is
time for the rest of the city cel
[1:02:05]
council to step forward to listen to
residents to meet with this community
[1:02:10]
and to understand firsthand why this
ordinance is so very important. You
[1:02:15]
cannot fully grasp the urgency of this
situation without hearing directly from
[1:02:19]
the people living through it. We are
asking you to show up to engage and to
[1:02:24]
take this next step with us.
We have done everything we can to
[1:02:28]
organize, educate and prepare. Now, we
need your partnership, your attention,
[1:02:33]
and your action. The ordinance is a
crucial step in protecting residents and
[1:02:37]
ensuring that this neighborhood remains
stable and rooted in the people who call
[1:02:41]
it home. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:02:47]
Okay, next up is Kathy Dobbins.
[1:02:53]
Thank you, Mayor. Uh Kathy Dobbins, 28
Miss Circle. I'm actually running on
[1:02:57]
three hours of sleep. I just got back at
3:00 from camping, so bear with me. Um,
[1:03:01]
we've been here, our community has been
consistently asking for one essential
[1:03:05]
safeguard, a rent stabilization
ordinance that proves strong,
[1:03:08]
enforcable, and future pro protections
for residents. As the Blue Haven
[1:03:13]
Cooperative moves forward, we are
looking for backup plan after backup
[1:03:16]
plan so that we can protect all
residents. While we recognize the work
[1:03:21]
has gone into the current draft, the
carveouts remain unbalanced and leave
[1:03:25]
the residents vulnerable to ownership
and park changes. Again, I sent you an
[1:03:30]
email with all of our changes and
highlighted exactly what we would like
[1:03:33]
to see in there. Um, across Maine,
mobile home parks are being purchased by
[1:03:37]
out ofstate corporations that are out of
touch with Maine values. These
[1:03:41]
communities strictly are investment
assets to those owners. When these comm
[1:03:46]
companies take over, rent increase
sharply. um negligent property
[1:03:51]
maintenance is not being done and
residents bear the burden. Communities
[1:03:57]
and residents have have a voice in this
process. Uh we know exactly what happens
[1:04:03]
when distant ownerships replace local
accountability over the nine 10 months
[1:04:07]
that we've been dealing with this. That
is why the carveout matters. Language
[1:04:11]
matters. Words matter. As written, they
do not guarantee stability if the park
[1:04:16]
is sold to another out ofstate buyer.
They do not ensure protections carried
[1:04:20]
forward. They do not protect future
owners from imposing aggressive rent
[1:04:24]
increases and undermining the intent of
this ordinance. This is not balance
[1:04:28]
policy. This is is is a resident
protection option. And it's not
[1:04:33]
acceptable for the community that has
already endured instability over these
[1:04:36]
10 months. We need an ordinance that
protects all residents and all
[1:04:41]
populations and demographics.
Regardless who owns the park, whether we
[1:04:46]
buy it, another buyer comes in, we need
protection.
[1:04:50]
Today, next year, a decade from now, we
don't want to be continually here asking
[1:04:55]
for your help. Granted, we like you all,
but I'm tired. I'm exhausted. We have
[1:05:00]
put in the miles over the last year with
these corrections. We'll be right back
[1:05:06]
here, like I said, fighting these same
battles. Residents are not asking for
[1:05:10]
special treatment. We're basically
asking for security and the ability to
[1:05:13]
remain in our homes without fear of out
of state investment companies coming in
[1:05:18]
to destabilize our over lives overnight.
Your authority and the responsibility to
[1:05:24]
correct the ordinance. We're asking to
you to strengthen the language and
[1:05:28]
letting us have a voice in that process.
Thank you.
[1:05:31]
» Thank you.
[1:05:36]
Okay. Next up is Brian Lar Roach.
[1:05:43]
Good evening, Madame Mayor, council
members. My name is Brian Larash. I live
[1:05:47]
at 19 Reserve Circle over in sunny,
beautiful Blue Haven.
[1:05:51]
Uh, before I get into this, I we
actually have a letter that we're going
[1:05:54]
to read to Council Doyle. So, it's a
personal letter. Um, so I'm going to
[1:05:58]
read through it and make the changes on
the fly. So, if it gets a little hooky,
[1:06:01]
I apologize. So, let's give it a shot.
We just want this noted on behalf for
[1:06:05]
his record. Uh, dear councelor Doyle, it
is with great sadness and tremendous
[1:06:10]
honor that I am here tonight to speak on
behalf of the residents of Blue Haven
[1:06:13]
Mobile Home Park to express our deepest
and most sincere gratitude for
[1:06:18]
everything that council Doyle has done
for us and our community. When our
[1:06:22]
neighbor faced the devastating
resignation of our dear friend,
[1:06:25]
councelor Joe Gun, a heavy wave of
uncertainty hit our park. Joe had a
[1:06:31]
fierce was a fierce ally and his sudden
departure left many of us completely
[1:06:35]
stranded. and if we had entirely lost
our voice on the city council. It was a
[1:06:39]
frightening time for our community and
the fear of being forgotten or left
[1:06:43]
without presentation was a very very
serious reality. Yet in that exact
[1:06:48]
moment of vulnerability, Council Doyle
stepped in to give us a hand. Through
[1:06:52]
his time serving our city, he
consistently demonstrated an unwavering
[1:06:56]
support for Blue Haven. When we felt
most silenced, he did not simply watch
[1:07:00]
from the sidelines. He stepped up. He
listened to our concerns and he
[1:07:04]
advocated fiercely for our community,
our well-being, and our security.
[1:07:09]
His dedication gave us our voice back
when we needed it most. And we are
[1:07:14]
profoundly grateful for the stability
and the peace of mind his efforts have
[1:07:18]
helped us secure for our families. And
we know that he will always be there
[1:07:22]
anytime we need him in the future. What
sets his service apart is his immense
[1:07:26]
professionalism. He brought that into
every interaction.
[1:07:31]
He has always approached our community
with respect, transparency, and a
[1:07:35]
relentless work ethic. No matter how
complex the issue, Council Doyle
[1:07:39]
navigated them with integrity and
competence that earned the deepest
[1:07:42]
respect from everyone in our community.
He proved to us that true leadership is
[1:07:47]
defined by accountability and action.
Beyond his official duties, we also want
[1:07:52]
to acknowledge a genuine friendship that
he extended to us.
[1:07:56]
He never treated Blue Haven as a line
item on a council agenda or just a block
[1:08:00]
of votes. Instead, he took the time to
know us as people, neighbors, and
[1:08:04]
friends. His warmth and his
approachability, his nature, and his
[1:08:09]
empathy left a lasting impression in our
hearts.
[1:08:13]
We thank you, Councelor Doyle, for your
exceptional service, your steadfast
[1:08:17]
defense of our park, and your enduring
friendship. He is a true champion for
[1:08:22]
the residents of Blue Haven and we are
incredibly proud proud to have him in
[1:08:26]
our corner. We wish him the very best in
his future endeavors. With warmest
[1:08:31]
regards the residents of Blue Haven
mobile home park. Uh thank you. I
[1:08:35]
appreciate this opportunity to speak
before you. And if I can use these last
[1:08:38]
few seconds as our uh our colleagues
have have uh noted that we would love a
[1:08:43]
seat at the table during these ordinance
stabilization meetings. Uh if possible,
[1:08:49]
we can talk somebody into being on that
committee and I would nominate myself to
[1:08:53]
volunteer my services and my time for as
long as it takes to get this thing
[1:08:57]
realized and and approved. Thank you so
much for your time. Good night.
[1:09:01]
» Thank you.
[1:09:05]
» Okay, next up we have Lisa D. Roer.
[1:09:13]
Lisa D. Roa, 18 Pine Haven.
I'm here to advocate
[1:09:19]
for the importance of this rent
increase.
[1:09:24]
The ordinance will provide stabilization
for our community and it will also
[1:09:30]
prevent trauma from unjustified rent
increases.
[1:09:35]
I feel it is the responsibility of our
town councils to provide this protection
[1:09:41]
for our rights.
We have been asking for this to take
[1:09:46]
place for some time now.
This will not go away or get better.
[1:09:53]
It's only going to get worse.
And our lot rent has doubled since.
[1:10:00]
Thank you. Thank you.
[1:10:07]
Okay. Next up, we have Zack Ashley.
[1:10:14]
Uh, good evening. Um, today I'm just
standing sorry name and address for the
[1:10:19]
record.
>> Okay. Uh, Zachary Ashley. Um, 24th
[1:10:22]
Theion Avenue.
>> Thank you.
[1:10:23]
» And I just want to thank you for being
responsive to our emails concerning the
[1:10:27]
valuations. Um, we've been I've been
communication with my neighbors and all
[1:10:33]
of us are with the new valuation hikes.
If there's not a change in mill rate, um
[1:10:39]
all of us on our street, Theion Avenue,
are expecting a thousand dollar tax
[1:10:45]
increase.
Um
[1:10:48]
for many of us, we can weather it, but
for many of my neighbors, this is going
[1:10:52]
to push them over the edge financially.
Um and we're a workingass street. I
[1:11:00]
don't know if you've ever traveled down
Theion Avenue. Um,
[1:11:05]
it's improving, but it's not it's
definitely not Beach A or the
[1:11:11]
neighborhoods heading down towards Camp
Dallas. It's very much a working-class
[1:11:15]
neighborhood. We and it's a tight
community, but
[1:11:21]
um throughout this evaluation process,
we did receive each of my neighbors and
[1:11:27]
I did receive letters from the
assessor's office, but we did not
[1:11:31]
receive a personal walkthrough
and I was not reached out in regards to
[1:11:38]
one.
So,
[1:11:44]
I would
like the console just to consider that
[1:11:49]
um in regards to this whole process um
because I've done some work in my house,
[1:11:56]
but I'm not sure if I've done $93,000
worth of work. So,
[1:12:03]
that's all I have.
>> Thank you.
[1:12:10]
Okay, that completes the signup list. If
there are any other members of the
[1:12:14]
public wishing to speak, please step
forward, state your name and address for
[1:12:17]
the record, and you will have three
minutes to address the council.
[1:12:24]
» Good evening. Uh Sandra G 52 Camil. Um
this won't take three minutes. I'm just
[1:12:29]
I wasn't really planning on speaking
tonight, but I just did want to briefly
[1:12:32]
talk about the connector road Smith and
Stockton. Um, I was on the planning
[1:12:36]
board in 2004 when this first came up.
Um, I was on the planning board in 2011
[1:12:41]
and on the comp plan committee at the
time when it came up again. It's come up
[1:12:45]
consistently, I think in 2015. It's been
discussed um for a long time. I believe
[1:12:51]
that the Kentucky Fried Chicken, which
was improved probably around 2005, 2006
[1:12:56]
or something, was required to provide an
easement, I believe, behind there for
[1:13:01]
that connector road. Um, it was a great
idea then. It's a great idea. Now, I
[1:13:06]
hope the council moves forward with it.
And I just want to say um there are no
[1:13:11]
sidewalks on Stockman where it's going
to connect into. However, there's so
[1:13:15]
many cars right now that turn right at
uh the Dairy Queen and then cut off in
[1:13:20]
one of those roads to the left in order
to cut out the lights when they're going
[1:13:23]
heading down toward the beach. Um so
that's already sort of an issue. I walk
[1:13:27]
up that way and bike up that way a lot
and there's already quite a bit of
[1:13:30]
traffic there. This will probably add
some to it, but it's already an issue.
[1:13:35]
That's all I have to say. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:13:44]
» Good evening, Madame Mayor, members of
the council, my former colleagues, and
[1:13:49]
my friends. I am Joe Gun, currently at
22 Boonbrook Road, W 2.
[1:13:58]
Uh 10 months ago, uh faced with the
unfortunate circumstances that led to my
[1:14:03]
uh resignation from the council,
um I called up uh former mayor Bill
[1:14:09]
Doyle after I saw the other two uh
candidates, well intentions as they
[1:14:14]
were, who offered themselves in the
special election. and other
[1:14:18]
circumstances with the issues facing the
citywide. Not to mention in my former
[1:14:23]
ward with these wonderful people behind
me at Blue Haven who taught themselves
[1:14:28]
the art of politics, persuasion, and
public advocacy in a matter of 10 months
[1:14:34]
and doing the hard work that comes with
that. I said to Bill, I said, I know
[1:14:41]
that you are getting ready for your next
uh professional chapter trying to be a
[1:14:46]
town or city manager somewhere and the
responsibilities and the time that will
[1:14:49]
come with that. But your ward uh needs
you right now. And I asked him in
[1:14:55]
December when there was no other
candidates willing to poke their heads
[1:14:58]
up, please come out of political
retirement and uh do the hard work for
[1:15:03]
as long as you can take. And after some
persuasion, he agreed to stand for
[1:15:06]
election and the people of my w former
ward returned him to office. And I am
[1:15:13]
extremely thankful for his brief return.
And I certainly hope that uh the
[1:15:18]
counselors who did not have the
privilege of serving with him during his
[1:15:22]
previous stance as mayor as counselor
were able to glean from him uh the
[1:15:26]
knowledge and experience that he brought
to the table during his tenure um in
[1:15:32]
previous office. and are especially on
the issues of affordability and housing
[1:15:37]
that he uh improved the debate and
improved your perspectives that you all
[1:15:42]
had to deal with not only with the folks
in my former ward though but citywide as
[1:15:48]
this becomes a statewide issue.
And I certainly want to also pay tribute
[1:15:53]
to um the recent dedication of the uh of
the of the jetty expansion down in Camp
[1:16:00]
Ellis. And they say victory has a
thousand mothers and fathers. And many
[1:16:05]
years ago, it was Mayor Doyle who was
pivotal in marshalling the votes
[1:16:11]
that got us that that um that jetty. So
while there are many mothers and fathers
[1:16:17]
of that, he definitely deserves to be at
the front of that list as finally
[1:16:20]
getting that long odyssey done. And I
simply want to simp uh thank him for his
[1:16:26]
years of service. And while he is the
Sako's loss, it is New Gloucester's
[1:16:32]
gain. He is helping that select board
help a thriving and growing city uh grow
[1:16:38]
by leaps and bounds. And I know he's
having the time of his life up there. So
[1:16:42]
I wish him all the best as my friend for
over three decades. And I simply want to
[1:16:48]
encourage any and everyone behind me in
Ward 3 uh to step up as I did as a
[1:16:54]
regular citizen. The city needs you. The
city needs your input and hopefully we
[1:17:00]
can have a new qualified member of the
council very soon. And I also look
[1:17:05]
forward to your debate on charter
amendments because I think any of them
[1:17:09]
will be fruitful and necessary um as it
relates to future uh vacancies on the
[1:17:16]
council. Thank you for your time, madame
mayor, members of the council, city
[1:17:19]
administrator.
>> Thank you.
[1:17:24]
Anyone else wishing to speak?
Yep.
[1:17:29]
You can choose who comes up first.
>> I've been up here. Oops. Excuse me. I've
[1:17:35]
been up here on this uh what I need to
say. Richard Goslin, Southern Missouri
[1:17:41]
Circle at Blue [clears throat] Raven Mo
Home Park.
[1:17:47]
I want council to know they would really
appreciate the more returns we've had.
[1:17:55]
That help to some extent. But come
December 31st, 2027,
[1:18:04]
our rent's going to be $660 a month
versus my 515
[1:18:09]
that it had been.
So with that said, the majority of the
[1:18:15]
residents in the park are on limited
social security
[1:18:21]
and a lot of them I I don't know what
they're going to do. It's tough and
[1:18:27]
don't believe that there's any financial
help that the city or organization would
[1:18:33]
pay for half their taxes.
So, with that said, and I've said this
[1:18:38]
before,
we've got midterm elections coming up
[1:18:45]
and [clears throat] there are some
communities,
[1:18:50]
but our next door neighbors will larger
beach
[1:18:54]
voted in a 5% maximum raise per month
or per year, I'm sorry, at the mobile
[1:19:04]
home park. and one of them is steel
loan.
[1:19:09]
So hopefully the council does have the
power to put that on the agenda for the
[1:19:16]
general public to at least have a choice
to vote for that.
[1:19:22]
» Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.
[1:19:31]
» Hi, my name is Pamela Sears. I'm at
eight settlers away. Just wanted to
[1:19:36]
thank you all for being here and um just
wanted to talk about the um Stockman
[1:19:44]
Smith connector. Um I live right behind
Starbucks and my concern is about the
[1:19:52]
wetland area and the runoff that's
coming from the commercial properties
[1:19:58]
and Route One. Um, it's been there's
been some significant
[1:20:05]
runoff and poor drainage within that
wetland and it's caused a lot of settle
[1:20:10]
settlement or erosion in that area and
it's actually affected my driveway. Um,
[1:20:17]
and it's also affecting the whole length
of my property. Um, so I'm just asking
[1:20:22]
that the council consider um if they're
not interested in a connector to also
[1:20:29]
consider the drainage option that's in
there as well. And I sent some photos I
[1:20:33]
think as well. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:20:41]
Anyone else wishing to speak?
[1:20:46]
Okay, not seeing anyone seeking
recognition. Moving on to item seven,
[1:20:50]
that is the approval of the minutes for
July 6, 2026. Is there a motion?
[1:20:57]
» So moved. Councelor Huitt.
[1:21:01]
» Motion made by councelor Hwitt. Any
discussion or comment on the minutes?
[1:21:05]
» You want a second?
>> Yes, please.
[1:21:08]
» I'll second it.
>> Second by councelor Edwards.
[1:21:14]
All right. Now, any discussion or
question on the minutes?
[1:21:18]
Hey, roll call vote. Councelor Edwards,
yes. Councelor Parks, yes.
[1:21:22]
» Councelor Anin, yes. Councelor Gail,
yes. Councelor Hwitt, yes. Councelor
[1:21:25]
Johnston,
>> yes.
[1:21:26]
» Motion passes 6.
>> Item eight, consent items. There are two
[1:21:32]
and that is item A is the annual report
filing extension and item B is to
[1:21:37]
confirm the mayor's appointment to the
shoreline commission of Yana Josephin.
[1:21:41]
Is there a motion?
So move.
[1:21:45]
» Motion made by councelor Johnston.
Is there a second?
[1:21:49]
» Second.
>> Second by councelor Anen.
[1:21:53]
» Any item that you wish to have moved?
[1:21:58]
» Okay, not seeing anyone. Roll call vote.
Councelor Edwards,
[1:22:01]
» yes.
>> Councelor Parks,
[1:22:02]
» yes.
>> Councelor Anin, yes.
[1:22:04]
» Councelor Gail, yes.
>> Councelor Huitt,
[1:22:06]
» yes.
>> Councelor Johnston,
[1:22:07]
» yes.
>> Motion passes 6.
[1:22:10]
» Okay, moving on to item nine that is
action items. And item A tonight is the
[1:22:15]
one reading for the accept acceptance of
councelor Doyle's resignation and that
[1:22:19]
is councelor Parks.
>> Thank you madame mayor. Councelor Doyle
[1:22:23]
has submitted an email of resignation
and if accepted by council the position
[1:22:28]
will be vacated immediately. Be it
ordered that the city council accepts
[1:22:32]
the resignation of councelor William
Doyle effective immediately.
[1:22:38]
» Motion has been made by councelor Parks.
Is there a second?
[1:22:40]
» Second. Second by councelor Edwards.
Any discussion on the item?
[1:22:48]
Councelor Hwitt.
>> Just want to thank um councelor Doyle
[1:22:51]
for his continued support of the city
and the efforts he made um with all the
[1:22:56]
counselors.
>> Thank you, councelor Gail. Yeah, I just
[1:23:00]
second that and and um um Councelor
Doyle um uh really helped me and and
[1:23:09]
encouraged me to run for school board
many years ago and that got me um really
[1:23:14]
involved in the city. So, I thank him
for his commitment to the city and and
[1:23:18]
all his hard work and wish him well and
his u his next endeavor here.
[1:23:24]
» Thank you. Anyone else?
Council Johnston.
[1:23:28]
» Thank you. Um likewise I have served
with Bill or Councelor Doyle through all
[1:23:34]
of his service to the community. Um
I thought it was you know noble of him
[1:23:41]
to step up and fill the role when
councelor Gun was you know inadvertently
[1:23:45]
or uh forced out. So I just would like
to thank him personally for serving ward
[1:23:52]
three. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:23:56]
Okay. Roll call vote. Councelor Edwards,
>> yes.
[1:24:00]
» Councelor Parks,
>> yes.
[1:24:01]
» Councelor Arnan,
>> yes.
[1:24:02]
» Councelor Gail,
>> yes.
[1:24:03]
» Councelor Hwitt,
>> yes.
[1:24:05]
» Councelor Johnston,
>> yes.
[1:24:06]
» Motion passes 6.
>> Okay, moving on to item B. That is one
[1:24:11]
reading of the fee schedule
clarification, and that is Councelor
[1:24:14]
Parks.
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. It has been
[1:24:17]
brought to staff's attention that the
fee schedule adopted on budget night did
[1:24:22]
not reflect the correct and current fee
for outside police assignments officer
[1:24:28]
with cruiser. The correct fee is $90 per
hour, but the fee schedule adopted in
[1:24:34]
May inadvertently reflected $80 per
hour. Because that is a request to
[1:24:40]
clarify the correct fee amount. Staff
respectfully asks that this be completed
[1:24:46]
through the one reading process.
Be it ordered that the Sco City Council
[1:24:52]
approves the fee schedule clarification
to correctly reflect the $90 per hour
[1:24:58]
for outside police assignments officer
with cruiser. I move to approve the
[1:25:05]
» Thank you. A motion has been made by
councelor Parks. Is there a second? Yes.
[1:25:08]
Second.
>> Second by councelor Edwards.
[1:25:11]
Comment or discussion on this item.
>> Okay. Roll call vote. Councelor Edwards.
[1:25:17]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Parks.
[1:25:18]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Anin.
[1:25:20]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Gail.
[1:25:21]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Huitt.
[1:25:22]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Johnston.
[1:25:23]
» Yes.
>> Motion passes 6.
[1:25:27]
» Okay. Item C is a public hearing for the
proposed ordinance amendment to chapter
[1:25:31]
60, ambulance service to provide for an
annual educational funding allocation
[1:25:36]
and an annual ambulance division
equipment reserve fund. And that is
[1:25:40]
councelor Parks.
Fire Chief Hamill has requested the
[1:25:45]
creation of annual reserves for
educational funding allocation and
[1:25:49]
ambulance division equipment, both to be
funded from the ambulance fund. To
[1:25:55]
specify that the existing ambulance fund
can be used for these purposes, staff
[1:26:00]
has compiled the attached ordinance
amendment for city council's
[1:26:04]
consideration.
I move to open the public hearing on the
[1:26:08]
proposed ordinance amendment to chapter
60 ambulance service.
[1:26:13]
» Thank you. Motion has been made to open
the public hearing. Is there a second?
[1:26:18]
» Second.
>> Second by councelor Gail.
[1:26:24]
» Roll call vote. Councelor Edwards.
>> Yes.
[1:26:27]
» Councelor Parks.
>> Yep.
[1:26:28]
» Councelor Anin. Yes.
>> Councelor Gail. Yes.
[1:26:30]
» Councelor Hwitt. Yes.
>> Councelor Johnston.
[1:26:32]
» Yes.
>> Motion to open the public hearing at
[1:26:34]
7:47. passes 6.
If there are any members of the public
[1:26:39]
wishing to speak, please step forward,
state your name and address for the
[1:26:41]
record, and you will have three minutes.
[1:26:50]
Okay, not seeing any members wishing to
speak. Councelor Parks,
[1:26:54]
» I move to close the public hearing and
further move to schedule the second and
[1:26:59]
final reading on August 3rd, 2026.
>> Thank you. A motion to close the public
[1:27:04]
hearing and move the item to August 3rd.
Has been made by councelor Parks. Is
[1:27:08]
there a second?
>> Second.
[1:27:09]
» Second by councelor Edwards.
Any discussion from counselors?
[1:27:15]
» Okay. Roll call vote. Councelor Edwards.
>> Yes.
[1:27:18]
» Councelor Parks.
>> Yes.
[1:27:20]
» Councelor Anen,
>> yes.
[1:27:21]
» Councelor Gail,
>> yes.
[1:27:22]
» Councelor Huitt,
>> yes.
[1:27:23]
» Council Johnston,
>> yes.
[1:27:24]
» Motion passes 6 to close the public
hearing at 7:48.
[1:27:33]
Okay, moving on to item D. That is a
public hearing for the renewal
[1:27:36]
application for special entertainment
permit for the Golden Rooster. And that
[1:27:40]
is Councelor Johnston.
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Chris Rizakos
[1:27:44]
doing business as Golden Rooster
Restaurant, 236 Main Street, has applied
[1:27:48]
for a renewal of the establishment's
special entertainment permit. The permit
[1:27:52]
would be concurrent with the
establishment's liquor license. The
[1:27:55]
applicant has paid all applicable permit
fees and the clerk has properly
[1:27:58]
advertised the public hearing in
accordance with SACO city code chapter
[1:28:01]
93 entertainment 93-2. The clerk has
also checked with code enforcement, the
[1:28:06]
finance department, fire department, and
police department. And there were no
[1:28:10]
concerns. I move to open the public
hearing.
[1:28:13]
» Thank you. A motion has been made to
open the public hearing by councelor
[1:28:15]
Johnston. Is there a second?
>> Second.
[1:28:17]
» Second by councelor Gail.
>> Roll call vote. Councelor Edwards.
[1:28:21]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Parks.
[1:28:23]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Anen, yes. Yes. Councelor
[1:28:24]
Gail. Yes. Councelor Hwitt. Yes.
>> Councelor Johnston.
[1:28:27]
» Yes.
>> Motion to open the public hearing passes
[1:28:29]
6 at 7:49.
>> If there are any members of the public
[1:28:33]
wishing to speak, please step forward,
state your name and address for the
[1:28:36]
record, and you will have three minutes.
[1:28:43]
Okay. Not seeing anyone seeking
recognition. Councelor Johnston,
[1:28:46]
» I move to close the public hearing. It
be ordered that the city council grant
[1:28:50]
the renewal application submitted by
Chris Rizakos doing business as Golden
[1:28:54]
Rooster Restaurant for a special
entertainment permit to be concurrent
[1:28:56]
with the establishment's current liquor
license. I move to approve the order.
[1:29:01]
» Motion has been made by councelor
Johnston. Is there a second?
[1:29:03]
» Second.
>> Second by councelor Edwards.
[1:29:08]
» Any discussion or comment on the item
from councilors?
[1:29:13]
» Okay, not seeing anyone. Roll call vote.
Councelor Edwards.
[1:29:16]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Parks.
[1:29:17]
» Yes. Councelor Anin,
>> yes.
[1:29:19]
» Councelor Gail, yes.
>> Councelor Hwitt, yes.
[1:29:20]
» Councelor Johnston,
>> yes.
[1:29:22]
» Motion to close the public hearing and
approve the order passes at 75060.
[1:29:32]
» Okay, moving on to item E that is the
first reading for the Dire Library
[1:29:36]
funding request and that is councelor
Hwitt.
[1:29:40]
During the fiscal year of 2026
budget process, the city council
[1:29:45]
allocated funding for the Dyer Library
for capital improvement projects. As
[1:29:51]
part of that discussion, the Dire
Library was asked to present project
[1:29:55]
information to the city council and
formally request authorization to use
[1:29:59]
these funds. After this first reading,
the final step of the process is to is a
[1:30:05]
final reading.
Be it ordered that the SACO city council
[1:30:10]
approve the first reading of the Dire
Library funding request in the amount of
[1:30:14]
$75,000
and further moves to schedule the final
[1:30:19]
reading on August 3rd, 2026. I move to
approve the order. Thank you. A motion
[1:30:24]
has been made by councelor Hwitt. Is
there a second?
[1:30:28]
» Second.
>> Second by councelor Edwards.
[1:30:33]
Any discussion or comment on these
items?
[1:30:36]
Councelor Hwitt.
Hello. Um, I'm aware of this project and
[1:30:42]
have seen it. Um, as someone who's been
at atteing
[1:30:47]
kids being brought in classroom after
classroom into the children's room, it's
[1:30:51]
a tight space sometimes. You've got
families with young children. You have
[1:30:55]
some um other people. They're trying to
use the same space. And as times are
[1:31:01]
getting economically tough for families,
the library is somewhere that people can
[1:31:05]
go and enjoy their resources at no
charge. So, I know right now hearing the
[1:31:12]
tax valuations, I'm cringing at any asks
in the budget as a counselor. Um, but I
[1:31:18]
also want everybody to consider the
benefits that the the library gives us.
[1:31:23]
Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. Okay. And
I do believe we have Director Smith with
[1:31:28]
us and she had a small presentation she
was going to give.
[1:31:34]
Good evening. Hello everyone.
[1:31:40]
See if my computer works this time.
[1:32:09]
Unfortunately, my computer is not
agreeing with the um software for the
[1:32:13]
click shore. So, I do apologize that you
won't see it on the screens, but I
[1:32:15]
believe you all received my presentation
as part of the packet for this meeting.
[1:32:19]
Um so, anyway, uh good evening, Mayor
McFale, and members of city council. Um
[1:32:23]
I'm here tonight to present Dire
Libraryies youth services renovation and
[1:32:26]
expansion plan. Right now, the youth
services department operates an
[1:32:30]
extrained 1,250 square foot space.
Increased family attendance has pushed
[1:32:35]
our children's room beyond its
functional limits. Strollers block block
[1:32:39]
pathways, tween film Tik Toks next to
babies chewing on board books, and noise
[1:32:43]
conflicts compromise both programmatic
quality and public access. Our solution
[1:32:48]
is a targeted expansion providing
maximum impact with minimal
[1:32:51]
interruption. Designed in partnership
with the architecture firm Woodh Hall,
[1:32:55]
we are adding an additional 650 square
feet from an underutilized adjacent
[1:32:59]
meeting room. While the final
furnishings are under development, um
[1:33:03]
the model in your plan demonstrates how
our we're using age targeted zones to
[1:33:08]
best serve our community. There will be
an early childhood area with space for
[1:33:12]
dedicated readaloud, creative play, and
stroller parking. Beginning elementary
[1:33:16]
readers will have a cozy area for
developing their literacy skills and
[1:33:19]
tween will find targeted space for
homework help and maker space.
[1:33:23]
Importantly, we'll also proide
comfortable space for parents and
[1:33:26]
caregivers to connect and socialize
while supporting early literacy.
[1:33:31]
After all a lot of work on this project,
the budget came in much higher than
[1:33:34]
anticipated at $113,000.
We are funding it through the anchor
[1:33:38]
funding that was set aside in the fiscal
year 26 budget. Um, and we're not
[1:33:42]
changing the ask from the city. That's
$75,000 is all that we're looking for.
[1:33:46]
We're looking to um we've scoped this
project to fit as well as possible
[1:33:50]
within the funds that we had um allowed.
The remaining construction balance will
[1:33:55]
be taken from a restricted endowment
that was left very spec narrowly for by
[1:33:59]
the Daring family who left the house to
the library um for just this future, you
[1:34:04]
know, where an unusual change had to be
made to to make the house into a
[1:34:08]
functional space. The other um costs for
furnishing the space will be done by
[1:34:13]
targeted fundraising. Um our anticipated
schedule, assuming everything is
[1:34:17]
approved and our f funding comes
through, um is to begin all of the early
[1:34:23]
steps now with the hope of starting
construction in early 2027 with an
[1:34:28]
anticipated completion of late spring
2027.
[1:34:31]
Thank you so much for your continued
partnership and I welcome any questions.
[1:34:35]
» Thank you. Any questions on the project?
Council Ronin. Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[1:34:39]
Um, the first question is to me a little
obvious. We're only three months past
[1:34:44]
the budget cycle. Uh, is there a reason
we didn't include this in the 2027
[1:34:49]
budget? This seems to be a fairly
extensive renovation, not one that you
[1:34:53]
came up with last month. So, I'm really
curious why it wasn't baked in at that
[1:34:57]
point in time. Um, and also, it sound
like you answered my previous questions.
[1:35:00]
This this budget is a new number, not
one that's recycled from last year. So
[1:35:06]
in the um for the fiscal year 26 budget
process I was invited to submit some
[1:35:11]
capital projects this was one of them at
that point in time which you know
[1:35:15]
January 2025
I 2026 I put in the amount of of $75,000
[1:35:20]
kind of as a placeholder um and then it
got designated as sort of a special
[1:35:26]
restricted fund for use for this
purpose. Um we have spent the dire
[1:35:30]
library association has spent the past
year trying to pull together the details
[1:35:34]
for this project to make sure that it's
conceivable. Um needless to say there
[1:35:38]
were more zeros to this project when we
first started talking to the architect
[1:35:41]
and we've had to scope down really
carefully to ensure that it's something
[1:35:44]
that we can manage with the the
allocation given by city council and
[1:35:49]
within funds that we have at our
disposal. Um it was not rolled forward
[1:35:53]
in the fiscal year 27 budget because
there was a little bit of uncertainty on
[1:35:56]
where it actually sat I think in the in
the the big budget um municipal budget.
[1:36:01]
Um but I defer to the city administrator
for that.
[1:36:05]
» Yeah. Yeah. So um Director Smith is
correct. The library has done everything
[1:36:09]
that it was asked to do. council in 2020
for FY26 took that made a motion um to
[1:36:17]
put the funds that were set aside in
capital into this special revenue fund
[1:36:22]
for this very purpose of her coming back
to council for a presentation and as
[1:36:27]
they have projects allow the funds to
flow to them. So um it's not in the 27
[1:36:34]
budget. It was in the 26 budget,
>> but allocated in 26 into a fund pool
[1:36:39]
that allowed them to pull it forward
when they needed it
[1:36:42]
» after coming to council and presenting.
>> Okay.
[1:36:45]
» Correct. Thank you.
>> You're welcome.
[1:36:47]
» My computer screen is working now. So,
if you want to see just briefly the sort
[1:36:50]
of scope of work, we're talking about um
changing the
[1:36:55]
taking down the green sections um to
make two rooms kind of merge into one.
[1:37:01]
» Any other questions or comments?
Councelor Gil.
[1:37:05]
» Um, as a frequent user, uh, I definitely
am in support of the project and see
[1:37:12]
definitely see the the benefits and and
value there. Um, I guess there's a
[1:37:18]
couple questions on on that on the
budget piece. you mentioned that um you
[1:37:23]
had scoped it down but and then uh let's
see on exhibit two I'm not sure what
[1:37:28]
slide number it is uh there was a a
table with the costs
[1:37:33]
» and you had mentioned that there was a
note uh active collaboration with SACO's
[1:37:38]
municipal facilities team is projected
to drive total construction costs below
[1:37:42]
the original 113,000 estimate I guess
I'm I just want to
[1:37:48]
confirm with the with the schedule that
you have in place and those costs. Um,
[1:37:54]
what is the risk for cost overruns? And
if there is a cost overrun, what is
[1:38:00]
that? What's the implication to to the
city's budget on that piece?
[1:38:05]
» So, there's no um cost. I'm not going to
be asking for more money for this
[1:38:09]
project. My understanding is that 75,000
was designed designated for this purpose
[1:38:13]
and that's the only amount of money that
I'm asking for at this point in time.
[1:38:17]
Um, I hope that we are able to use our
partnership with the city and and
[1:38:22]
facilities department to reduce some of
the sort of little things that get that
[1:38:28]
come along during part of a construction
project. Um, and to reduce some of the
[1:38:31]
costs that can end up being complicated.
Um, but at the end of the day, when if
[1:38:36]
and when we run into overages on this
project, um, that is something that we
[1:38:40]
will work on our end to cover.
>> Okay. And so, so just to confirm, so it
[1:38:44]
sounds like
you've been working with our facilities
[1:38:48]
department and and scoping this out and
and coming up with the cost estimates.
[1:38:52]
» Yes, they've been they've been um you
know, we've definitely talked with them
[1:38:55]
throughout the process to ensure that
we're not overreaching or doing anything
[1:38:59]
that their support um would not work
with.
[1:39:02]
» Sure.
>> Thank you, Council Ronin.
[1:39:06]
» Uh thank you again, Madame Mayor. And
and following on to your question, Will,
[1:39:09]
if we are going to be using inkind
services from the city, can we make sure
[1:39:12]
that we are accounting for those when we
get done with the final budget act when
[1:39:16]
the final budget is totaled so we
understand what the participation of the
[1:39:19]
incind services were relative to the
total cost?
[1:39:23]
» I am happy to track that, you know, to
the or hopefully I can get tracked on
[1:39:26]
the city side since I don't know what
the rates are for everything, but I
[1:39:29]
would love to have that number as well.
>> Great. Thank you.
[1:39:33]
» Okay. Anyone else?
Okay, thank you very much.
[1:39:40]
Okay, not seeing any other questions or
comments. Roll call vote.
[1:39:44]
» Councelor Edwards,
>> yes.
[1:39:45]
» Councelor Parks,
>> yes.
[1:39:47]
» Councelor Anin,
>> yes.
[1:39:48]
» Councelor Gail,
>> yes.
[1:39:49]
» Councelor Hwitt,
>> yes.
[1:39:50]
» Councelor Johnston,
>> yes.
[1:39:51]
» Motion passes 6.
[1:39:56]
» Okay, that takes care of the action
items for tonight. Moving on to item 10
[1:40:00]
under new business. Item A is a call for
letters of interest for the W three
[1:40:04]
council vacancy. City administrator.
>> Um so there is going to be a call. Um
[1:40:13]
did you want councelor Parks to read the
item commentary?
[1:40:18]
» Um we can or we can just do an update
where it is not actually being presented
[1:40:23]
and it's under new business.
>> Very well. Um, so tomorrow, um, the city
[1:40:27]
clerk will advertise publicly the, uh,
call for interested parties in Ward 3.
[1:40:32]
Uh, our charter requires a 21-day
notice. Uh, so August 12th will be the
[1:40:37]
deadline for people interested in
running for that seat or being
[1:40:41]
appointed, excuse me, for that seat. In
concurrence with that, because uh
[1:40:45]
councelor Doyle resigned outside of the
75day window, that position will also be
[1:40:50]
advertised for a special election that
will be held at the regular election
[1:40:54]
date of November 3. Um so people
interested in being appointed need to
[1:41:00]
have their letters in by August the 12th
and a public hearing uh with those
[1:41:05]
interested to address council for the
appointment will happen on the August
[1:41:09]
17th uh council meeting night.
Thank you.
[1:41:16]
Any questions or comments regarding the
appointment schedule?
[1:41:24]
Okay, moving on to item B that is the
proposed charter amendments.
[1:41:29]
The administrator,
>> we've received a few um proposed charter
[1:41:32]
amendments. Two from councelor Doyle,
two for two from councelor uh Johnson.
[1:41:38]
Those have been included in your packet.
Um, we'll continue to work with council
[1:41:43]
on making refinements to those charter
amendments. Uh, happy to answer any
[1:41:47]
questions this evening if, uh, council
has any.
[1:41:52]
» Thank you. On your review of the charter
amendments. Any questions or comments?
[1:41:56]
Councelor Gail.
>> Just a technical question on on
[1:41:58]
councelor Doyle's. Um, so that will be
continued that will be carried through.
[1:42:05]
I keep because the seat is vacant that
that doesn't affect
[1:42:09]
» this will come back.
>> These requests will come back to council
[1:42:11]
to vote on. So it's up to the council
the remaining council members if you
[1:42:15]
wish to move those forward or make
changes to them.
[1:42:18]
» Okay. Thanks.
>> Anyone else?
[1:42:24]
» And city administrator, what is the
deadline for amendments to be submitted?
[1:42:29]
Have we we passed that?
>> We passed that. Okay.
[1:42:31]
» So, these are the these are the
amendments that we'll be working with uh
[1:42:34]
with the council on. I believe we'll be
coming back on August 3 for first
[1:42:39]
reading. Um and then ultimately once uh
council approves proposed charter
[1:42:44]
amendments, they get voted on by the
citizens at the November 3rd election.
[1:42:58]
and councelor Parks when this comes back
for council vote you are the councilly
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uh resource. Thank you.
[1:43:07]
» Okay. Item C is the dire library draft
memorandum of understanding theou city
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administrator.
>> Yep. Um so this is follows through with
[1:43:17]
some of the comments made earlier during
uh director Smith's presentation. Uh
[1:43:21]
during budget, we determined that it
would be a good idea for both parties to
[1:43:25]
codify the relationship that the city
has with Dyer Library for the inind
[1:43:30]
services that we um had been providing
and um with the addition of the
[1:43:36]
facilities um support. So uh
administration has been working with
[1:43:42]
director Smith to propose a draftou. Um
this is under new business. So, we ask
[1:43:49]
council to review. Uh, if there are any
suggested changes or questions, we're
[1:43:53]
happy to take those into consideration.
Um, we are working with our legal
[1:43:58]
counsel to finalize this and it will
come back um at a future time for
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action.
>> Thank you. Any questions or comments
[1:44:07]
regarding theou
>> and coun Oh, council Johnston.
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» Thank you. Uh, well, first happy to see
that we're working on anou. Um, I guess
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my only comment for for council or
everyone is given and and I've mentioned
[1:44:24]
this the administrator and the mayor
previously, but given that this
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relationship seems to be evolving
specifically more in the area of funding
[1:44:33]
and now uh services, city providing
services. Um, I'm just wonder if we
[1:44:41]
already have a council liaison. I I
don't think it's unreasonable to give
[1:44:45]
that council liaison voting powers
similar to the way BOB is where that's
[1:44:50]
also what quasi municipal entity and our
liaison to that board have voting
[1:44:58]
rights. U so it's something I mentioned
previously to the mayor. I'm just
[1:45:02]
throwing it out there because I think
given the amount of funding and now
[1:45:07]
services that we're providing it may be
warranted.
[1:45:12]
Thank you. Anyone else?
And councelor Huitt, you are listed as
[1:45:17]
the resource and you're okay with that?
Certainly. Thank you.
[1:45:23]
» Okay, that completes the new business
items. Moving on to item 11 is the
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administrative update. City
administrator,
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» I do apologize. It is four pages long. I
am going to try to abbreviate it. I just
[1:45:34]
want the community to know that uh the
full report is online. Um, and we're
[1:45:39]
happy to provide a written report if
anybody wants to stop by city hall.
[1:45:44]
[clears throat] Rescheduled community
history project walking tour. Join city
[1:45:48]
historian Peter Sconress on Friday, July
31st at 2 p.m. for the 2-hour guided
[1:45:53]
experience exploring eight of the newly
installed historic signs throughout
[1:45:57]
downtown. Space is limited and
registration is required. Sign up today
[1:46:01]
at sakcomain.org/chpalking
tour. RFP for Route 1 north sewer shed
[1:46:08]
capacity and infrastructure assessment.
City of SACO seeks proposals from
[1:46:12]
qualified engineering consulting firms
to conduct a comprehensive sanitary
[1:46:16]
sewer capacity assessment of the Route 1
corridor north of the Milbrook Business
[1:46:20]
Park. Proposals will be accepted until
12 p.m. on Tuesday, September 15th,
[1:46:25]
2026.
Remote work through libraries project.
[1:46:29]
Dyer Library has successfully completed
its remote work through libraries
[1:46:33]
project. Highlighted by an accessible
six to eight person glass meeting room
[1:46:38]
on the main floor and paired with
commercialgrade Wi-Fi and wireless
[1:46:41]
printing. This modern hub offers SACO's
remote workforce and community groups
[1:46:46]
highly functional zero barrier space to
connect and work. Nomination papers were
[1:46:50]
made available today, July 20th, at the
city clerk's office for SACO residents
[1:46:55]
who wish to seek office in the November
3rd, 2026 election. These elected
[1:47:00]
officials seats up this year are mayor,
city counselor for ws 2, 3, and 7,
[1:47:06]
school board for wards 2, 4, and six.
All seats are for a three-year term with
[1:47:11]
the exception of the ward three
counselor seat, which will be for a
[1:47:14]
one-year term to fill out the remainder
of the term due to vacancy.
[1:47:22]
200 registered voters in the city need
to sign nomination papers for mayor. 35
[1:47:27]
registered voters in each respective
ward for the city councelor and school
[1:47:30]
board members. Nomination papers must be
returned to the city clerk's office 300
[1:47:35]
Main Street no later than 12:00 p.m. on
Friday, August 28th, 2026.
[1:47:41]
Housing action plan feedback period is
now open. SACO's draft housing action
[1:47:46]
plan is available for review and we're
opening a two-week public comment period
[1:47:50]
before submitting the plan to city
council for adoption. To review the
[1:47:54]
plan, visit our website.org/housing.
[1:47:58]
Submit your feedback through the website
form by July 29th.
[1:48:02]
Safety improvements on Beach Street and
Ferry Road on the Beach Street and Old
[1:48:07]
Orchard Road intersection. Sako Public
Works will be realigning the Beach
[1:48:10]
Street crosswalk at the intersection of
Beach Street and Old Orchard Road
[1:48:14]
beginning Monday, July 20th. Work is
expected to be completed by July 23.
[1:48:19]
While construction is underway, flaggers
will manage alternating one-way traffic
[1:48:23]
through the intersection. Ferry Road and
Bay View Road intersection. New stop
[1:48:28]
signs will be installed today, Monday,
July 20th. No traffic impacts are
[1:48:32]
expected during the sign installation,
though crews will be working in the area
[1:48:37]
to complete the project. We ask
residents and visitors to be mindful of
[1:48:40]
this new traffic pattern and remind
drivers that they must stop for
[1:48:44]
pedestrians in any marked crosswalk
throughout SACO. Saco Fire Department
[1:48:49]
launches community connected connect
program. Community Connect gives you the
[1:48:53]
opportunity to create a household
profile that can be accessed by SACO
[1:48:56]
Fire Department personnel only during an
emergency response. By sharing details
[1:49:01]
ahead of time, responders can arrive
better prepared to meet your family's
[1:49:05]
specific needs. Participation is
completely voluntary and you decide what
[1:49:09]
information you'd like to share. We
encourage all sucker residents to take a
[1:49:13]
few moments to create a free community
connect profile. For more information or
[1:49:17]
to register, visit communityconnect.io
io info/me.saco
[1:49:24]
Jubilee Island music series underway.
Saco parks and recck department hosts
[1:49:28]
local musicians for Sunday concerts at
Jubilee Park, a small peaceful landing
[1:49:32]
on the Sako River. Bring a blanket or
chair, cross the covered bridge on Water
[1:49:36]
Street, and join us. Concerts take place
from 5:00 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. every Sunday
[1:49:41]
from July 19 to August 9. The upcoming
lineup includes August 2nd, Maine
[1:49:46]
Cats Band and August 9, Jeff Pellerin.
Shows are weather dependent. Check
[1:49:51]
suckomain.org/cal
[1:49:54]
front slashcal for any cancellation or
rain dates. Harborfest Grand M Marshall
[1:50:01]
announced, "We're pleased to share that
Jeda Martell has been named Grand
[1:50:04]
Marshall for this summer's Camp Ellis
Harbor Fest. Jedha will be honored
[1:50:08]
during a special ceremony at the
festival in recognition of her decades
[1:50:11]
of commitment to the Camp Ellis
community. Born in Baford in 1945, Jedha
[1:50:16]
moved to Lower Beach Road at age 2 and
has been deeply connected to Camp Ellis
[1:50:20]
ever since. Jeda's dedication to the
community has helped keep Harborfest
[1:50:24]
alive throughout the decades. After
attending a blessing of the fleet
[1:50:28]
ceremony in Portland, she envisioned a
similar local celebration to honor Camp
[1:50:32]
Ellis's fishing heritage. Now 81, Jedha
has attended every harbor fest since the
[1:50:38]
events revival in 2023 by the city of
Saco volunteers and Save Our Shores Soo
[1:50:43]
Bay. We'll meet you at the pier on
August 8th for fireworks and August 9
[1:50:47]
for the festival from 10:00 a.m. to 3
p.m. We look forward to seeing you for
[1:50:51]
the celebration of our working
waterfronts.
[1:50:56]
Parks and Recreational Professional Day
was July 17th and we're proud to
[1:51:00]
celebrate the dedicated staff of SOS
Parks and Recreation Department. Thank
[1:51:04]
you to the entire parks and recck team
for the outstanding work you do, the
[1:51:07]
opportunities you create for our
community. Upcoming council meetings are
[1:51:11]
August 3, August 17, and September 14.
The reports.
[1:51:16]
Thank you. Any questions or comments for
the city administrator?
[1:51:22]
Okay, not seeing any. Moving on to item
12, council discussion and comment. Any
[1:51:26]
councilors wishing to share?
Council Edwards.
[1:51:33]
I've been thinking about whether I
should make this comment or not, but I
[1:51:37]
personally I feel I I want to. Um
I think many SACO residents as well as
[1:51:43]
Bford residents were shocked and and
discouraged and saddened by the tragic
[1:51:51]
killing of Joanne Sebastian Guerrero. I
know that our city SACO is um
[1:52:01]
is it trying to protect our citizens.
Our police
[1:52:07]
are not
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actively searching for members of this
community. Um, I would ask that despite
[1:52:19]
or despite one's particular
politics, we can all agree that any
[1:52:28]
death, whether it's by accident or by
fiat, it's a loss of life from our
[1:52:35]
community. I live in the hope that one
day we will be closer to what we say at
[1:52:43]
the end of the pledge that we say every
week, every time we're in here, that we
[1:52:48]
become closer to being indivisible
with justice and liberty for all.
[1:52:56]
» Thank you. Any other questions or
comments?
[1:53:01]
Okay, moving on to item 13 that is
executive session.
[1:53:06]
Is there a motion? Councelor Parks.
Thank you, Madame Mayor. Be ordered that
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the city council enter into executive
session pursuant to MRSA title 1,
[1:53:17]
chapter 13, subchapter 1, subsection
4056E,
[1:53:23]
consultation between the municipality
and its attorney concerning the
[1:53:28]
council's legal rights and duties
relating to data centers and an
[1:53:33]
application by Tower Co. LLC.
>> Thank you. Motion has been made by
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councelor Parks. Is there a second?
Second.
[1:53:40]
» Second by councelor Gail. Roll call
vote. Councelor Edwards.
[1:53:44]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Parks.
[1:53:45]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Anin.
[1:53:47]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Gail.
[1:53:48]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Huitt.
[1:53:49]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Johnston.
[1:53:50]
» Yes.
>> Motion to enter into executive session
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passes 6 at 8:15 and we will be in the
city administrator's office.
[2:44:42]
All right, everyone. Welcome back. Is
there a motion to exit executive
[2:44:45]
session?
>> So moved.
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» Councelor
Onen. Thank you. Second.
[2:44:53]
» Second by councelor Edwards.
>> Roll call vote. Councelor Edwards.
[2:44:57]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Parks.
[2:44:59]
» Yes.
>> Councelor Anin. Yes. Councelor Gail.
[2:45:01]
Yes.
>> Councelor Hwitt. Yes.
[2:45:02]
» Councelor Johnston.
>> Yes.
[2:45:04]
» Motion to exit executive session passes
6 at 9:06.
[2:45:08]
» Is there a report?
>> No report, Madame Mayor.
[2:45:11]
» Thank you. All right. Moving on to item
15. That is adjournment. Is there a
[2:45:16]
motion to adjurnn?
>> So moved.
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» Motion made by councelor Edwards. Is
there a second?
[2:45:22]
» Second.
>> Second by councelor Huwitt. Roll call
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vote. Councelor Edwards.
>> Yes.
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» Councelor Parks.
>> Yes.
[2:45:28]
» Councelor Anen,
>> yes.
[2:45:29]
» Councelor Gail, yes.
>> Councelor Hwitt, yes.
[2:45:31]
» Councelor Johnston,
>> yes.
[2:45:32]
» Motion to adjourn passes at 9:06. And
thank you everyone and have a great
[2:45:36]
night.