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Okay, everyone. We're going to call this
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meeting in order. This is going to
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follow the same guidelines as a city
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council meeting. It is a city council
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meeting. So, we're going to call it
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together at it's roughly 5:30, 5:32
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on um April 22nd. I want to go over some
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of the ground rules first. As everybody
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knows, we're going to conduct this and
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we've had great meetings before with
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lots of questions, but we do have um
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marshalss and PD here and if somebody
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gets um out of order, we will probably
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give one warning. If not, ask them to
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leave immediately. Um I don't anticipate
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to be that a problem. It's never been a
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problem in nine years. Uh, number two, I
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think we set this for 300 people tonight
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and it looks like it's going to be full.
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And the order of the presentation
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tonight will be Aaron Venoi will get up
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and talk about some zoning. He's going
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to have roughly 30 something slides that
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I think covers we're having an argument
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within staff. We think it's going to
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cover nearly 80% of the questions that
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come out as far as guidelines and
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what's say protection and what we want
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to see that protects the neighborhood.
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Um after that I will get up and do a
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discussion with two gentlemen here from
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emergent skybox.
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After that concludes we will move into
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um public comment which will be handled
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the exact same way as we do at council.
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You'll be allowed three minutes to talk
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at public comment. There will be no
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rebuttal from council. And at the end of
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that, I will I will say uh couple of the
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people here from Skybox and Emergent
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have said when the meeting is over,
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we're not in any hurry to run away if
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somebody has some questions. It won't be
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done from the stage, but they're they're
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not going to run out and hide if
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somebody has something they want to ask.
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So, it just depends how deep and how
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long public comment goes. If somebody
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wants that opportunity, keep that in
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mind. Um, another thing I want to point
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out and in, uh, if you haven't seen this
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already, there's been a petition
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submitted for my recall as mayor. I just
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think everybody needs to know that one
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up front. Um, anyway, that one's out
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there. I think I got notified of it
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yesterday at 5:00, so that's out. But
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with that, I want to go ahead and bring
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up Aaron Venoi.
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And Aaron heads up our planning and
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development services, the whole thing
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that we're going to talk about. And
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y'all have seen Aaron lots of times. So,
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let's give Aaron a hand and turn it over
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to him. [applause]
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» Good evening everyone. Thank you, Mayor,
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City Council. Uh we're going to go over
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the zoning items that we've come up for
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um what some people call protections,
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restrictions, regulations, but items
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within our zoning ordinance that we're
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proposing to city council to adopt as
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our ordinances for data centers within
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the city limits.
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So in our current process, in our
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current ordinance, we do not have any
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restrictions for data centers. We heard
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from the citizens that they would like
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to have some say in what goes on. So in
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the zoning ordinance, the process to do
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that is through a conditional use.
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That's what the process we've come up
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with. Uh we do conditional uses for lots
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of different things from short-term
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rentals to household living in
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commercial places and things like that.
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So, we are proposing to our city council
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conditional use process that would allow
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data centers in the light manufacturing
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and the heavy manufacturing areas. And
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I've got a couple of slides to show you
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where the majority of those are within
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our city. They would follow section 208
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of our current zoning ordinance, which
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is the section for conditional uses on
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how someone would apply, the process for
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review, and the process for planning
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commission to go through. that is a
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public meeting that does get public
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notice for those items and that means
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the public can come and comment on those
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items at at the planning commission. The
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planning commission has the option to
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approve or deny. If they approve, we
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have some regulations, design guidelines
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that we have within our zoning ordinance
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that we're going to ask to adopt that
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they would need to follow. If they get
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denied, it could be appealed to city
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council and then city council gets to
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make that decision. There is also
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processes that through the conditional
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uses that other folks can appeal that
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process and take it to city council for
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an ultimate vote.
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So here we have some maps. On these
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maps, if you look at the blue and the
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light blue areas, those are the light
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manufacturing and the heavy
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manufacturing areas. This is kind of the
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northeast portion of town where 67 uh
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comes in and 277 comes in and joins in
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right there. Goes by Howard College,
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splits off to 306. It goes to the south
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to 87 and then splits also here and
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comes along as Houston Hart Freeway. One
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of the things that I want y'all to
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notice is that along our railroad, you
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can see lots of properties are usually
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zoned light manufacturing and heavy
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manufacturing along our railroads as
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well as our major transportation areas
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because that's where things are
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produced. They're shipped out or shipped
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in. Uh and so that's usually where light
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manufacturing, heavy manufacturing are.
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You see the greens and the yellows,
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those are residential areas. Oranges are
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residential. And then when you get to
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the pinks and the reds, those are
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commercial or heavy commercial areas.
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Here's kind of the north section. Again,
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you have Bryant that comes in here. So,
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a major corridor comes in through here,
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comes in there. There are some areas.
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There's, you know, our steel works that
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happen right in this area that are along
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the uh spur line and the railroad. And
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of course down here just north of
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downtown you can start seeing the area
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that is along the railroad and the
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highway that has some manufacturing
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areas.
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If you look south of downtown again you
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see that rail line that kind of goes
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right through the middle. Lots of areas
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of of manufacturing around there. And
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then of course as our evolution of our
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city has grown and we gained a good
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fellow air force base in this area below
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and a major thoroughare with Chadburn
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coming out this way again areas of
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manufacturing um start to grow. And then
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our far south part of town where
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Christovala Road and the interchange is
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there before 277 heads south you can see
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some more light manufacturing.
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So those blue areas are the areas that a
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data center as a primary land use could
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apply for a conditional use. Asking the
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city, can we put a data center there?
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They have to ask all the other colors
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that are there. They are not allowed by
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right. That would be our proposal to
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city council.
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Also with our proposal with our
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definitions, we are asking that there
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would be no cryptocurrency mining
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allowed with a data center use.
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We would allow accessory uses because we
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have data centers in town right now that
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are lots of facilities use them from our
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hospitals, offices, campuses. There are
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data centers in town. Data centers have
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been around for 40 plus years um and
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been around in St. Angelo for that long.
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But we're talking about very large
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primary land uses. That's just a data
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center. Those are the ones that we would
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choose to regulate or have rules for in
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our community. We have some rules for
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generator yards. You know, the
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equipment, the fuel tanks, the
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associated equipment, [snorts] and also
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what does it mean to have a private
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utility? If they needed secondary power,
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we would have rules on on how they would
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be able to accomplish that private
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utility that's not a public utility
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that's owned by a political subdivision
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like the city water department. That's a
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political subdivision. This would be
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where they would be able to own their
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own types of utilities on their
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properties.
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When it comes to the conditional use
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application process, we've gone through
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and we've looked at ordinances from all
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over the country from Virginia to many
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cities within the state of Texas. Uh
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there's about five ordinances in the
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state of Texas that deal with data
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centers. And we tried to pull the things
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that what we heard from citizens, from
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consultants, from other city folks that
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we've talked to around the state. What
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is it that concerns your citizen and
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concerns you that we need some kind of
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protection for? So when they submit this
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conditional use, they have to give these
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plans to the city to put in the packet
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so that planning commissioners and the
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public can see those things. It comes
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with what we call normally call a site
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plan, but it's something that has the
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building location with all the setbacks.
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ground mounted equipment. So those
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generators and fuel tanks, where are
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they going to be located on site?
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Parking, driveways, that traffic
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circulation in and around the facility.
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If there's needed to be sidewalks or
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pedestrian routes, where are those going
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to be? A traffic impact analysis, both
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during construction and after they get
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operated. We know that data centers,
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large data centers, they operate
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different once they're under when
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they're under construction and then once
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they turn over to operation, they
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operate slightly different. Fencing,
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landscaping, screening, how are we doing
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those protections of vision, heat,
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noise, those types of things. And
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fencing, landscaping, screening are part
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of those lights and phototric items. if
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they have large lights that are high up
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above, how does that light spill off of
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their property, a sound study, um, and
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we'll get more into that in depth in
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just a little bit, building elevations
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and materials and signage. So, there's a
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lot of things that they have to turn
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into us for an application before they
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can actually get going with any kind of
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development process.
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So, here's some of the more specifics.
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So within our ordinance we talk about a
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building height maximum height of 75 ft.
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If it's greater than 50 ft every story
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they go above or then they have to go 10
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ft back from the property line. So the
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standard de uh setback is 50 ft from the
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property line.
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But again they have a maximum height of
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75 ft. So they could be even a little
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bit further back if they chose to go to
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that maximum height. If you have
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accessory structures like generators and
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things like that or maybe an office
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building, uh, whatever it may be, then
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they they can be as close as 30 ft to
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the property line depending on what type
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of equipment it is. If it's a noise
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making equipment like a generator, we
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may have some things to to ask them to
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say, hey, we want to move that to a
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different location.
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setbacks between different land uses and
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zoning. It was very clear that through
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our planning commission and citizens
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that we wanted to protect our
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neighborhoods
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inside and outside of the city limits.
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So we had proposed some different
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distances. This is a compromise that we
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had come up to 200 ft setback from any
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property line that's adjacent to a
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residential use or a residence of any
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kind. So even if it's farmland and
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there's a farmhouse out there, they've
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got to be 200 feet on their side of the
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property before they can build any kind
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of structure. So that's a 200 foot
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buffer around a property.
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So if you look at this site here and for
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scale, this is a very large site. If you
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that
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um property line on the right, that's
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over 7,000 linear feet. the property
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line along this is highway 67 is the
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gray line along Highway 67 that's over
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5200 linear feet. So a very large large
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site 350 plus acres
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you can just see
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it's a lot easier up here where there's
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not the the background information but
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that's 200 ft buffer between that red
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property line and where they could start
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building a structure if these rules are
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implemented through our city council.
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You can see that goes all the way on
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this perimeter of this as if this was
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all residential around them. So that's
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how that would work for there. On a
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commercial property, we would lower that
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down to 50 ft if it's commercial or
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industrial because those are very
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similar uses that they could be closer
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together.
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There's also buffers created by streets,
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driveways, and parking as well as
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landscaping.
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So again, the commercial setback is 50
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ft.
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Groundmounted equipment that's adjacent
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to residential property, we're asking
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for that same 200 ft. So you've got 200
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feet of buffering between there. If
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there's another, say there's a local
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street, we're asking that there's at
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least a 25 ft landscape buffer in there
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before they start having uh things that
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are part of their property going on. If
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it's an arterial or collector, that's a
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classification of road. So, Highway 67
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is an arterial. They would have to be at
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least 40 feet back with a 40 foot
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landscape area. And if they just have
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pavement on the side or the rear yards,
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it would be 15 ft back from the property
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line.
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Here's just another sample site. Uh this
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is off of FM 380. Um, we envisioned this
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one just just because we know the zoning
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right here is light manufacturing. This
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is also light manufacturing. This is in
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the ETJ, which means it's outside the
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city limits.
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And so we did a 50-ft buffer, a 50-ft buffer, and then a 200
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foot buffer. And that would be their
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area in which they could build
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something.
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So that's again looking at large sites.
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How do these sites get constructed? What
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are those buffers and things like that?
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So we try to do just a sample one.
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Again, you see that building in the
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middle, you see a parking lot, you see a
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roadway, you see the setbacks. Now,
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envision all of this area that would
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have some kind of required landscaping,
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whether that's trees, shrubs, or natural
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habitat that we have in West Texas that
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sometimes can be even more dense than
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just trees and shrubs as you go along.
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But that again is to help mitigate some
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of those issues that could be presented
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from heat, noise, sight, sound, all of
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those types of things.
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Landscaping became very important to us
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uh as we were looking at this and and
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people think landscaping of just as as
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aesthetics. How does it look? While
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there is something about how do we
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protect one of our major corridors if
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it's on 67, how does that look for
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people coming to St. Angelo? We also
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know that there's lots of other benefits
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to landscaping from erosion control,
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storm water runoff to cooling islands in
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big parking lots and along large
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buildings uh to breaking up the sight
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line as you're driving by and you're
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picking up the landscape instead of a
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large building. Um we know that uh
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through lots of different studies from
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many many years it improves air quality,
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reduces heat, um helps prevent flooding,
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[snorts] uh also pred helps um block
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wind and provide shade and it's that
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phyto remediation which also helps the
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soil from different toxins. There's a
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reason why certain plants do very very
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well with that and trees function as a
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sound barrier.
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So in one of our examples within our
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ordinance that we're proposing is a 40ft
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landscape buffer. You can see on there are mature trees which are the
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large circles. Then there are smaller
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trees that are the smaller uh circles
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that are shrubs. And 40 ft you can start
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getting this kind of clustering of
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trees. So there's just not a big long
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line of trees and you just drive by and
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you just see tree. You start getting a
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clustering of the of the different
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trees.
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If you do a 25- foot separation, they
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start to spread out a little bit more or
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they become more linear because the 25
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ft and a mature tree, you don't have as
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much canopy space as you would in other
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areas. And again, you can see with the
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medium trees, you can still cluster
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those. And then on a 15t wide buffer,
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again, it's going to be fairly linear.
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you're going to have so many trees so
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many feet apart and you would probably
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plant those in to keep that um that
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buffer line through there.
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So in town, do we have anything like
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that? Well, we do out at the uh
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Chapperel Park uh out on 67 already. You
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can see that these live oaks here, you
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can see 67 behind them, the new portion
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that they've built that Texot built in
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the last few years. Still fairly high
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speeds through there that drops down to
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65 miles an hour. These trees are over
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50 feet apart and they're also over
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right at uh 40 feet from the uh paving
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surface. And you can see that they have
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this nice linear shape going through
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there. You're picking those trees up as
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you're driving through. It's blocking
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some of the noise and things that would
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be coming from either the street onto
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that property or even from the property
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going off to the street. And you can
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just see in there they have some
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clustered small things from yuckas to
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pampas grass and some other things in
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there um to break up just that linear
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look of the landscape.
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This is along one of their side streets,
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a minor street, just a regular uh
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street, not a highway. Again, those
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trees are spread out a little bit
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further, but looking at our West Texas
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land, West Texas landscape, live oaks do
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fairly well once they get established.
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they are a
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dense cover. They're evergreen and they
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help uh provide protection year round.
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So again, not just do we require
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landscaping, we also gave them the
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option of creating a natural buffer zone
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of 40 ft if they didn't want to plant
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trees that we're going to have a 40ft
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buffer zone. And so you go back to that
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first one that had a very wide um area
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here where this is a 40ft buffer zone,
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but now think of that as all natural
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habitat with some live oaks that are
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natural with mosquite trees that might
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be natural from the other plants and
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density that you can get with some of
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those plants in our natural uh state.
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Now, if you're planting in a cotton
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field or a wheat field, you're probably
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you're going to have to do the
[18:59]
landscaping. But if you're going to a
[19:01]
site that's got a mosquite pasture
[19:03]
that's got mature mosquetses, this might
[19:05]
be an option for them.
[19:10]
Other items that we're uh including into
[19:14]
um the ordinance is making sure that
[19:16]
they have enough parking spaces but not
[19:19]
an overage of parking spaces, not a sea
[19:21]
of parking spaces because once they get
[19:23]
into operation, they're not going to
[19:25]
have thousands of employees. They may
[19:28]
have a hundred employees or so. It just
[19:31]
depends on the data center, the size,
[19:33]
and what's going on. But we don't need
[19:35]
all that parking creating storm water
[19:37]
runoff once they're done. Uh again,
[19:40]
ground mounted equipment, generators,
[19:42]
and things, those must be screened with
[19:43]
masonry walls. Rooftop equipment must be
[19:47]
visually screened. Um fencing, fencing
[19:51]
is can be masonry, rowd iron or black
[19:53]
PVC coated. And again, it needs to be
[19:56]
along the the street frontage. Could be
[19:58]
masonry or rot iron. Excuse
[20:01]
[clears throat] me. If it's not along
[20:02]
the frontage, it could go to that PVC
[20:04]
coated depending on how far it is. And
[20:06]
you think about the linear distance of
[20:09]
7,000 ft on that first one of those
[20:11]
images I showed you. That's a lot of
[20:13]
fencing. That's over a mile of fencing
[20:15]
to put on one one property side if they
[20:17]
chose to. Fencing is going to be up to
[20:20]
the discretion of the planning
[20:21]
commission. If it's against residential
[20:23]
areas, they're going to want an opaque
[20:25]
fence potentially. Uh if it's along
[20:28]
industrial or other commercial areas, it
[20:30]
may not need to be an opaque fence, and
[20:32]
they may be able to fill in with the
[20:34]
landscaping. If they have super parking
[20:36]
lots, we're going to ask for landscape
[20:38]
islands to create some shade islands.
[20:41]
And then any lighting that's on the
[20:43]
property is going to be shielded,
[20:44]
pointed downwards,
[20:47]
excuse [clears throat] me, not to exceed
[20:48]
30 feet in height. And then the the
[20:50]
lighting on the building uh is to be not
[20:53]
at such a a super height. If you've got
[20:55]
a 50-ft building, you don't need to have
[20:57]
lights up at 50 ft to shine down on the
[21:00]
walkways. You need that lighting to come
[21:01]
down so it reduces the light spillover.
[21:04]
We've also placed and it was requested
[21:06]
through um I think one of our
[21:09]
educational meetings with city council
[21:11]
about requiring the the lumens to be set
[21:14]
at a dark sky lumens. And so that's in
[21:16]
there as well.
[21:19]
noise.
[21:21]
Currently, we're going to request noise
[21:24]
to be kind of at two different decibb, a
[21:27]
daytime and nighttime. It could be that
[21:30]
that's changed to just one decel across
[21:32]
the board. Um, but the maximum sound
[21:35]
levels that we would request is 60 dB at
[21:38]
daytime and that's measured at the
[21:40]
property line. And I found just the a 60
[21:44]
dB is roughly equivalent to a normal
[21:46]
conversation or typical background
[21:49]
noises in an office, a restaurant or a
[21:52]
quiet suburban neighborhood.
[21:54]
At nighttime when most of us are
[21:56]
probably getting ready to go to bed or
[21:58]
in bed, we want it just a little bit
[22:01]
quieter. Again, 55 dB. While that number
[22:04]
doesn't look that much, but when you're
[22:06]
dealing with decb
[22:08]
a significant difference. Uh 55 is
[22:12]
considered moderate and generally
[22:14]
comfortable similar to a quiet office, a
[22:17]
humming refrigerator or a moderate
[22:19]
rainfall.
[22:21]
And again, these are measured at the
[22:23]
property lines.
[22:25]
There was citizen concerns about the low
[22:28]
frequency or humming noises. And so we
[22:31]
have this proposed in our ordinance that
[22:35]
there's some different octave bands and
[22:37]
frequencies and things like that. Um,
[22:40]
and a lot of the a lot of the times that
[22:42]
we see this, we've never seen this at at
[22:45]
data centers, but the research shows
[22:47]
that there are sometimes whether it's a
[22:49]
large generator, power generator, and
[22:52]
the electrical engine has got a certain
[22:54]
tune to it. They can come in and retune
[22:57]
that engine just a little bit and bring
[22:59]
that vibration down. Uh again, these low
[23:02]
hums and vibrations on this scale uh
[23:06]
would not be able to pass beyond the the
[23:08]
property line.
[23:12]
And then this is our last slide for our
[23:14]
zoning ordinance and then I'm going to
[23:15]
transition into a couple of other
[23:16]
things.
[23:18]
Zoning is not the best place to regulate
[23:22]
water and wastewater. In fact, the state
[23:24]
of Texas under code 212 mentioned
[23:28]
doesn't mention water specifically, but
[23:31]
it does not say that we can regulate it
[23:32]
in zoning. So, we have adopted many
[23:37]
years ago um utility ordinances, and
[23:40]
that's where we're going to regulate
[23:42]
water consumption and wastewater
[23:45]
discharges. And I'll get to that in just
[23:47]
a minute. But we are asking to add into
[23:50]
our zoning ordinance to add these two
[23:53]
clauses that would say hey don't forget
[23:57]
you need to follow our utility ordinance
[23:59]
as well because most development starts
[24:02]
with zoning then site development they
[24:05]
come to our ordinances and said all
[24:06]
right what's the zoning and they look at
[24:08]
this and they say oh I need to follow
[24:10]
that also so that's why we're asking for
[24:12]
that to be there
[24:15]
so now we're going to transition out of
[24:17]
the zoning ordinance into the utility
[24:20]
ordinance.
[24:22]
So again, the utility ordinance, if
[24:23]
you're looking at it, it's chapter 11 in
[24:25]
our code of ordinances.
[24:27]
Uh and we will have all this stuff
[24:29]
online for you to look up as well.
[24:33]
So
[24:34]
in the utility ordinance, we're
[24:36]
proposing to add this for purposes of
[24:38]
this article, we would use the same data
[24:41]
center definitions in the zoning
[24:42]
ordinance into the utility ordinance. So
[24:45]
it's like for like. So there's no
[24:47]
confusion.
[24:50]
We would also add that all data center
[24:52]
facilities shall employ closed loop
[24:54]
cooling systems or similar cooling
[24:57]
technology which minimizes water use and
[25:00]
eliminates the need for continuous
[25:02]
withdrawals from the city's public water
[25:04]
supply for heat rejection. So, their
[25:08]
cooling system has to be something that
[25:11]
is closed, has to be something that
[25:13]
minimizes the water use so that they're
[25:15]
not continuously drawing large volumes
[25:18]
of water.
[25:20]
And then we get even a little more
[25:22]
specific. And this is a very heavy
[25:24]
slide, but I'm going to read through the
[25:26]
whole thing for you. So when it talks
[25:29]
about the cooling water allowances and
[25:31]
we're talking about the initial fill,
[25:34]
this is exact wording from the
[25:36]
ordinance. The initial cooling system
[25:38]
fill shall not exceed 15 um not 15 well
[25:42]
15 gallons per uh square foot of gross
[25:45]
building area as defined in the approved
[25:49]
building permit for each data center
[25:52]
building.
[25:53]
Initial fill shall occur within the 12
[25:55]
months of the building receiving a
[25:57]
certificate of occupancy. So they have
[25:59]
they got a certificate of an occupancy.
[26:01]
They can fill it up to 15 gallons per
[26:04]
square foot of gross building floor area
[26:07]
and they have 12 months to do that to
[26:09]
operate it. If they have a scheduled
[26:12]
maintenance refill, they can fill the
[26:14]
cooling system uh the full the full
[26:17]
Excuse me. I'm going to take a drink of
[26:18]
water for just a second.
[26:26]
Sorry about that. So, the full cooling
[26:29]
system drain and refill not to exceed
[26:32]
the initial fill volume may occur for
[26:34]
each data center building at intervals
[26:37]
no more no more frequent than once every
[26:40]
3 years. operator shall provide the city
[26:43]
utilities director with 30 days written
[26:45]
notice of when this is going to be
[26:46]
scheduled and the draining shall comply
[26:49]
with all TCU requirements and other
[26:51]
applicable law.
[26:54]
the annual makeup water. So on an annual
[26:57]
basis, routine cooling system makeup
[27:00]
water to replace minor losses from valve
[27:03]
packing, gasket weepage, maintenance
[27:05]
drains, those type of things shall not
[27:08]
exceed 3%
[27:10]
of the total installed cooling loop
[27:12]
volume per data center building per
[27:15]
calendar year.
[27:18]
So that is that's the restrictions that
[27:20]
we're proposing for wa for water usage
[27:23]
from the city's water supply.
[27:28]
Additional exempt water uses. These
[27:31]
would be things that if things if bad
[27:32]
things happen, we want them to use
[27:34]
water. So fire suppression system fill,
[27:36]
we want them to fill that up. During the
[27:39]
construction phase, we want them to use
[27:41]
water for dust control. So that
[27:43]
mitigates some issues. um as well as for
[27:47]
concrete curing and hydrostatic testing.
[27:50]
So while they're doing their foundations
[27:51]
and their tilt walls that they're able
[27:53]
to utilize water for that site
[27:55]
landscaping, but it's limited to drought
[27:57]
tolerant zeroscape plantings. that's
[27:59]
consistent with the city's uh water
[28:01]
conservation plan and they are required
[28:04]
they would be required to use
[28:06]
droughtresistant plantings
[28:08]
and they could use reclaimed or recycled
[28:10]
water obtained from the city's reclaimed
[28:12]
water system when available for any of
[28:15]
those purposes. So they might be able to
[28:17]
utilize reclaimed water not just the
[28:19]
fresh water.
[28:23]
And the last thing that we have for
[28:24]
water consumption is if they exceed what
[28:28]
happens in that first section. So if you
[28:31]
have uh first they have to notify 48
[28:34]
hours of an event to the water utilities
[28:36]
director. Why did it happen? What was
[28:38]
the cause? What was the volume? What was
[28:41]
the duration? How much water are we
[28:42]
talking about here that we that's gone
[28:45]
that now we have to refill. The approval
[28:48]
to refill comes down to the city manager
[28:51]
or their design and they have five days
[28:54]
to approve or deny. They look at our
[28:56]
water situation and say, "All right,
[28:58]
what is the best situation for the city
[29:00]
of St. Angelo at this time? Do we
[29:03]
approve them using additional water or
[29:05]
do we deny them using additional water?"
[29:08]
there is an emergency exception as if
[29:11]
there's imminent risk to facility
[29:12]
equipment or personnel and then they
[29:16]
need to document and notify the city
[29:18]
within 72 hours of that incident. Um
[29:21]
more than likely our some of our city
[29:23]
team is going to be responding to those
[29:25]
imminent dangers and so that's probably
[29:27]
going to be known and passed on very quickly.
[29:31]
So, those are what we're proposing in
[29:33]
the water utilities area for the water
[29:36]
systems for using water. Now, I'm going
[29:39]
to go over uh a couple of slides that
[29:41]
talk about the waste water or the sewage
[29:43]
that comes from the facility.
[29:47]
So currently in our wastewater or sewage
[29:50]
water uh systems ordinance there are
[29:54]
currently prohibited discharges and this
[29:56]
is kind of the first paragraph that no
[29:58]
person may discharge to public sewers
[30:00]
any waste which by itself or by
[30:03]
interaction with other waste may injure
[30:06]
or interfere with wastewater treatment
[30:08]
processes or facilities.
[30:10]
Constitute a hazard to humans or
[30:12]
animals.
[30:14]
create a hazard in the receiving waters
[30:16]
or irrigation acreage of the wastewater
[30:19]
treatment plant affluent. So those are
[30:21]
the generic kind of statements of all
[30:22]
right you can't you can't cause us harm
[30:25]
by what you put back in our sewer system
[30:28]
what you discharge back out
[30:32]
also currently prohibited in our
[30:34]
discharges and if you go to this again
[30:36]
this is chapter 11 our water utilities
[30:38]
or our utilities ordinance chemical
[30:41]
discharges and there's a long list of
[30:44]
chemicals there that are listed that
[30:46]
says you cannot discharge these they
[30:48]
have to be at a certain rate or not at
[30:50]
All heavy metals and toxic materials
[30:53]
again at a certain rate or not at all.
[30:56]
Garbage. We It surprised me as I was
[30:58]
reading through. You just can't put
[31:00]
garbage down the sewer line. Okay, that
[31:02]
makes a lot of sense. Radioactive waste,
[31:04]
you can't put that in the sewer line
[31:06]
either. These are already in our
[31:08]
ordinances.
[31:10]
High temperature discharges. When you
[31:12]
get over 150 degrees Fahrenheit and you
[31:14]
start pushing those things down the
[31:16]
sewer line, you start having real issues
[31:18]
and problems. and then also storm water
[31:21]
and other unpolluted drainage going into
[31:24]
the sewer system that overloads the
[31:26]
sewer system and may cause it to spill
[31:28]
out. Those things are already in our
[31:32]
utility ordinance today.
[31:35]
What we're proposing to add for data
[31:38]
center specific
[31:40]
uh a discharge event means any
[31:42]
intentional release of treated cooling
[31:44]
fluid to the sanitary sewer system. A
[31:47]
planned discharge events means an
[31:49]
intentional release associated with a
[31:51]
scheduled maintenance, loop replacement,
[31:52]
or repair activity.
[31:55]
An emergency discharge event means an
[31:57]
unplanned release caused by equipment
[31:59]
failure, system rupture, or safety
[32:02]
related incident.
[32:06]
Sampling and laboratory verification of
[32:08]
treated discharge must be completed
[32:11]
prior to each discharge event. Records
[32:15]
of the discharge volumes, analytical
[32:17]
results, and discharge dates must be
[32:20]
maintained for at least three years and
[32:22]
provided to the uh director of water
[32:24]
utilities upon request.
[32:26]
Planned discharge events required
[32:28]
written notification to the water
[32:30]
utilities director at least 72 hours
[32:33]
prior to discharge so that he can send
[32:36]
his teams, let's go check, are they
[32:38]
doing everything correct? Are they
[32:39]
protecting our system? Are they
[32:41]
protecting our citizens?
[32:44]
Four, emergency discharges events must
[32:46]
be reported to the director of water
[32:48]
utilities within 4 hours of the
[32:50]
occurrence. And a written incident
[32:52]
report must be submitted within 7 days
[32:54]
detailing the uh discharge volume,
[32:57]
analytical results, and corrective
[32:59]
actions taken. And the director of water
[33:02]
utilities retains the authority to
[33:04]
establish discharge flow limits and
[33:06]
additional operation requirements
[33:08]
necessary to protect the city. sanitary
[33:10]
sewer infrastructure and ensure
[33:12]
compliance with applicable industrial
[33:14]
pre-treatment standards. So, we do have
[33:17]
a lot of industrial sites around our
[33:19]
community and we already have rules for
[33:21]
those industrial sites. We're proposing
[33:23]
these five things for data center
[33:26]
specific.
[33:30]
And so, I've gone through a lot of
[33:31]
slides and a lot of information. And I
[33:33]
know our city council's been listening
[33:35]
over here to our right. Um,
[33:38]
I'm not sure that there's any questions
[33:40]
from city council at this moment today,
[33:42]
but if you have any questions, I'd be
[33:44]
happy to try to answer them. If not,
[33:46]
we'll move to the next item on the
[33:47]
agenda.
[33:54]
» Okay. Well, with that, mayor, I think
[33:56]
we'll move on to the next item on the
[33:58]
agenda. Um, and let y'all take it from
[34:00]
there.
[34:02]
Thank you, everyone.
[34:06]
» [applause]
[34:19]
» Or do you have the clicker?
[34:21]
>> Can I use the clicker?
[34:23]
>> You want clicker? Sure. Cheers.
[34:27]
>> Thank you.
[34:31]
Cool.
[34:38]
» I get the big arrow goes forward.
[34:45]
» Put a mock check.
[34:47]
>> Check. Check. Work. Get over here. We
[34:50]
can pass it back and forth.
[34:51]
>> Sure.
[34:52]
>> Yeah.
[34:56]
So, at this point of the time, or excuse
[34:58]
me, at this point in time, the thing
[35:00]
that I've been excited about for a long
[35:04]
time, I guess it's been over a year that
[35:06]
we've been working on this project, is
[35:09]
to bring these two gentlemen up here to
[35:11]
answer your questions.
[35:13]
There were some benchmarks and there are
[35:16]
some milestones that the city needed to
[35:18]
achieve before we got to this process.
[35:22]
There were several things that happened
[35:25]
up to this date
[35:27]
that would have changed had we brought
[35:29]
them sooner. Wouldn't bring us to the
[35:31]
point we are today to ask the questions
[35:32]
we want. All right. So, what I'm going
[35:35]
to be doing now is we're going to cover
[35:38]
some questions that were submitted.
[35:41]
Every question that was submitted over
[35:44]
the from the I believe it was the 8th
[35:46]
through the 17th of April is answered
[35:50]
and we're going to make that website
[35:52]
live to you here in a little bit. And I mean every question if they did
[35:57]
not submit a question it didn't get
[35:59]
answered. So I don't know they had they
[36:00]
had 10 days to submit questions. If you
[36:02]
didn't answer one we'll try to get that
[36:05]
addressed in the future. We took the top
[36:08]
seven or eight questions and try to
[36:11]
build a summary of what those are
[36:14]
and we're going to answer those here
[36:16]
tonight. And when we get done, we'll
[36:19]
flip on the website and everybody can go
[36:21]
find their question. If it's not exactly
[36:23]
how you submitted it, please understand
[36:25]
we had to summarize it. If there were
[36:27]
questions that were,
[36:30]
I would say, something we couldn't give
[36:32]
a very factual answer to, a yes, no, we
[36:35]
didn't answer those. And I think y'all
[36:37]
understand that sometimes people put out
[36:38]
something that's real open-ended in an
[36:40]
attempt to box you in a corner, and we
[36:42]
don't want to box anybody in a corner,
[36:44]
but we wanted to at least answer
[36:46]
everything we could. And as always, uh,
[36:49]
the entire council and myself were very
[36:51]
approachable.
[36:54]
talk with your councilman if there's
[36:55]
something you've seen that hadn't gone
[36:56]
forward. But right now, I want to
[36:58]
introduce to you the two people up here
[37:00]
on the stage. And I'm going to start
[37:01]
with CEO Chris Sumpter of Skybox
[37:04]
Emergent. And Chris, I would love for
[37:05]
you to tell them a little bit about your
[37:07]
history
[37:08]
and we'll go from there.
[37:11]
>> Um, again, Chris Sumpter. Um, I've been
[37:14]
in the data center industry now for
[37:17]
about as long as anybody can be. Um you
[37:21]
know I started in 1996
[37:23]
um you know with small company called
[37:26]
TitchX. We pioneered managed hosting
[37:29]
which is now basically the the cloud. Um
[37:33]
you know I was in it you know basically
[37:36]
running sales organizations.
[37:38]
Um
[37:40]
was with the company till 2002.
[37:44]
Um I started working for another company
[37:47]
called Raging Wire which is now NT
[37:48]
Global and um then went to work for a
[37:51]
company called Digital Realy Trust which
[37:53]
is now I would say probably the you know
[37:56]
largest global data center company um
[37:59]
and you know 2007 I became founder
[38:03]
co-founder of another company called
[38:05]
Vantage Data Centers um you know again
[38:09]
most way through these companies running
[38:11]
sales organizations
[38:13]
um took time out 2012
[38:17]
uh coached football, watched my kids
[38:20]
grow up, uh decided to get back into the
[38:22]
industry about a year later and um
[38:26]
helped two other companies in the data
[38:28]
center industry get started. Um you
[38:30]
know, helped the line data centers get
[38:31]
up and running, edge core as well. um
[38:35]
really got more into the development
[38:37]
side of the house and um 2017 met some
[38:42]
other individuals that were more private
[38:44]
equity um and had my own building that I
[38:48]
was developing in in Santa Clara,
[38:49]
California and you know at that point in
[38:52]
time brought in some investment uh from
[38:54]
McCory Capital um and about a year ago
[38:59]
ended up recapping you know out of that
[39:01]
company and starting Emergent which you
[39:04]
at that point in time teamed up with
[39:06]
Mike. Um started bringing my team back
[39:09]
together and u really started going out
[39:12]
and you know looking for sites you know
[39:15]
like the skybox site here as well as
[39:19]
some of the other projects that we have
[39:20]
around the country. Pennsylvania. Um
[39:23]
that were, you know, really sites that
[39:25]
we thought were, you know, good projects
[39:27]
to bring to the community and develop
[39:30]
for, you know, really what we target is
[39:31]
the big five. Um, you know, which would
[39:34]
be AWS, Google, Microsoft, Meta, uh,
[39:37]
companies like that, which are primarily
[39:38]
our customer base. Um, and you know,
[39:42]
brings us to really today and you know,
[39:44]
what we're doing now.
[39:46]
>> Thank you. I I appreciate you being
[39:48]
candid. I asked him before we came out
[39:49]
here. I said, "If you had to rank
[39:50]
yourself on on a scale of one to 10, how
[39:53]
long you've been in the industry with a
[39:55]
10 being the most compared to your
[39:57]
peers?" I both of them said, "We we've
[40:00]
been in here tens." I mean, we have been
[40:02]
with the very first ones initially. You
[40:05]
started before they were called data
[40:06]
centers. Um, I think it's great that we
[40:10]
bring probably the most experienced team
[40:12]
in the industry
[40:14]
to the city of St. Angelo. Now, let's if
[40:16]
you'll hand the mic over to Mike.
[40:19]
Um Mike, we'll let you credential
[40:21]
yourself here a little bit. All right.
[40:23]
Uh good evening. I I want to thank
[40:25]
everybody for giving us an opportunity
[40:26]
to come speak to you first. Um really do want to be able to answer
[40:31]
all your questions and and like uh Mayor
[40:33]
Tom had mentioned, I'm I'm happy to stay
[40:36]
behind and answer some questions if you
[40:38]
didn't get the answers that you think or
[40:39]
the information that that you really
[40:41]
needed. So, um start there. Uh I've been
[40:44]
doing this a long time too, almost uh 30
[40:46]
years myself. I start I'm the technical
[40:49]
and delivery um guy at at Skybox
[40:52]
Emergent. Um I started out on the
[40:56]
electrical and um overall design of the
[40:58]
buildings approximately 30 years ago,
[41:00]
but for the last almost 20 years, I've
[41:02]
been on the operational side and and the
[41:04]
delivery side for uh many companies that
[41:06]
uh I think you guys all use. Uh for a
[41:09]
long time, I was the technical leader
[41:11]
and SVP at Yahoo. those of you that
[41:13]
might still be carrying a Yahoo email
[41:15]
address out there. Um, and I I managed
[41:18]
that team globally and built their sites
[41:20]
um all over all over the world. Um,
[41:23]
transition from there to Google. I ran
[41:25]
global data center operations um 26
[41:28]
countries and about 6,000 people um and helped start up a lot of sites and
[41:34]
um partner up with a lot of towns not
[41:36]
just in the US but all over Europe and
[41:38]
Asia as well. the last um last six years
[41:42]
uh up until the end of last year.
[41:45]
Another uh another another company you
[41:47]
probably know pretty well. I I led the
[41:49]
development um and of the infrastructure
[41:51]
and the operational um teams for Bite
[41:54]
Dance, which is the parent company for
[41:55]
Tik Tok and Cap Cut and a bunch of other
[41:58]
apps that you probably don't know about.
[42:00]
But um so this is really um something
[42:03]
that I've done I've always done. I I've
[42:05]
been um in charge of managing the teams
[42:08]
locally and building the teams locally.
[42:10]
Um I've been responsible for working
[42:13]
with the local community, the schools
[42:16]
like uh like like we are starting here
[42:18]
to create uh technical programs to put
[42:21]
the jobs together and hire locally. Um
[42:24]
and a and a lot of other things. We're we're not coming in to build
[42:27]
something and run away. We're really
[42:28]
looking to uh to come in here and build
[42:30]
something and partner with the community
[42:31]
and become part of it. Um I think uh
[42:35]
rightfully so there's some you know some
[42:37]
hesitation because there's you know
[42:39]
there's there's some factual uh um
[42:42]
instances where maybe some of the
[42:43]
developers in our industry um haven't
[42:45]
done it the right way and I think
[42:47]
there's some valid concerns around the
[42:49]
water. I think what we're doing is the
[42:51]
most responsible way and we can talk
[42:53]
about it a little bit more later. Um,
[42:55]
and we'll explain it to you so you you understand the difference because
[42:59]
um, I think some of the information you
[43:00]
have is valid and it is happening in
[43:02]
some places. We're just not going to do
[43:03]
that here. Um, so anyway, no, thank you.
[43:07]
It's I think what's important to gather
[43:08]
from the introduction to you two is this
[43:12]
is not a B team. This is a very
[43:13]
experienced senior team and for you to
[43:16]
come here, we're lucky to have you pick
[43:18]
our side. So with that, we'll go into
[43:20]
the first question. We can put put the
[43:22]
first slide up
[43:24]
if we can put that up on the screen.
[43:28]
Maybe it's going to go up.
[43:35]
» Brian, is it coming up or do
[43:38]
or would I need to press the button?
[43:40]
>> Take it.
[43:40]
>> All right, I got it now. I got to
[43:42]
remember you have it. Yes,
[43:45]
that one's fun.
[43:47]
Technology.
[43:48]
>> Technology gets me. All right. So,
[43:51]
>> you had it connected to a data center.
[43:53]
>> Yeah. If it was connected to a data
[43:55]
center, would it work better? Okay.
[43:59]
Skybox has been looking at Angelo for
[44:00]
over a year. Can you walk us why you
[44:04]
looked at St. Angelo, how you came to
[44:07]
this spot in sight selection?
[44:09]
And, you know, we kind of sit back and
[44:12]
wonder why you got to us. And there's a
[44:16]
lot of questions about the substation
[44:18]
and where the venue is and location. So
[44:20]
let's start there. Why did you start
[44:22]
here?
[44:23]
>> So you know when you start looking at
[44:27]
site selection for data centers,
[44:28]
there's, you know, some real major piece
[44:31]
parts that you need to have for a
[44:33]
successful project, land being a very
[44:36]
large part of that, right? You need to
[44:38]
have,
[44:39]
you know, at least for a campus, you
[44:41]
know, you need several hundred acres. We
[44:43]
also want to make sure that you know if
[44:46]
you look at areas like you know Ashurn
[44:49]
Virginia
[44:50]
we as a company I don't want to build in
[44:54]
the middle of what I would consider a
[44:55]
population center right so when we start
[44:57]
looking for things I want to build
[44:59]
outside away from you know neighborhoods
[45:02]
hospitals schools things of that nature
[45:04]
so um you start taking a look at that
[45:07]
you also start taking a look at major
[45:09]
fiber routes which you know there's new
[45:12]
fiber routes that are being built right
[45:13]
alongside that corridor. And then you
[45:15]
start taking a look at, you know, the
[45:17]
power, you know, hubs as well. So, you
[45:19]
know, the Red Creek substation that's
[45:21]
out there is a major regional substation
[45:24]
and, you know, there's a lot of power
[45:26]
that sits on that substation. There's no
[45:29]
real upgrades that need to be done. um
[45:31]
there's a lot of capacity that can be
[45:33]
drawn on for the data center and there's
[45:36]
also going to be a lot of the new 765 KV
[45:39]
upgrades that are going to be feeding
[45:41]
into that from the generation sources
[45:43]
that are in West Texas. So instead of
[45:46]
waiting for that to get into, you know,
[45:49]
I would say more, you know, central
[45:51]
Texas, you know, the Dallas, Fort Worth
[45:53]
type areas, which is very congested, you
[45:56]
know, we wanted to come this way to get
[45:58]
closer to the source. So that was a big
[46:01]
part of the reason why just from a, you
[46:03]
know, a reason why we wanted to pick
[46:05]
that specific location. Um, it was just
[46:08]
all the piece parts were really perfect
[46:10]
for sight selection.
[46:13]
One thing that amazed me and this this
[46:16]
started under Mayor Gunner, but when you
[46:17]
came here, the first thing y'all asked
[46:19]
for was to be annexed and inside the
[46:22]
city limits.
[46:24]
All right. So, I think people don't
[46:26]
understand when you get size and you get
[46:28]
scale, you also get governance and
[46:30]
ethics that come along with that.
[46:34]
Maybe elaborate a little bit on why you
[46:35]
wanted to be inside the city limits
[46:37]
because of all the data centers that
[46:39]
have been talked about and noise has
[46:41]
been going. This is the only one that
[46:44]
any type of governance will be on at
[46:46]
this point. All right. So, I know
[46:49]
everybody was familiar with the event
[46:51]
that happened at Dove Creek and there's
[46:53]
discussion of other data centers.
[46:54]
They're outside the city limits and they
[46:56]
are moving forward, but understand
[46:59]
because of the input that we've done
[47:01]
here, this is going to be the only one
[47:04]
that has a set of ground rules and
[47:05]
parameters to help it develop. And I
[47:07]
want to say I want to ask you why is
[47:09]
that important to you?
[47:11]
So, you know, every one of the projects
[47:13]
that that we've been involved in, we've
[47:15]
always had our sites annexed in. Um, you
[47:18]
know, I've never stayed in the ETJ,
[47:21]
there's been, you know, the vast
[47:23]
majority of the reason is I think a lot
[47:25]
of the developers, at least the ones
[47:26]
that you take a look at that are staying
[47:28]
out and want to stay out of annexation,
[47:31]
if you look at them as a company, you
[47:32]
look at their projects, most of them are
[47:34]
new entrance into the data center
[47:35]
ecosystem. um they don't really
[47:38]
understand that getting involved in the
[47:39]
community, you know, being able to to
[47:42]
have access to, you know, I don't want
[47:44]
to necessarily say, you know, city
[47:46]
water, sewer, things like that, but you
[47:48]
do need to be able to have certain
[47:50]
levels of city resources, you know,
[47:52]
paying for them or not. You need to be
[47:54]
able to have that. And I just don't
[47:57]
think they really understand that. You
[47:59]
start paying into the tax basis, it also
[48:01]
helps the community. You know, you're
[48:03]
also getting emergency services. Our tax
[48:05]
dollars go to help the fire department,
[48:08]
police department, things of that
[48:09]
nature. It goes to the schools. It just
[48:12]
all kind of works into the ecosystem.
[48:14]
You're not getting that when you're
[48:15]
staying in the ETJ. You don't really get
[48:17]
the support from the community either. I
[48:20]
think they start learning once they get
[48:22]
one to two years into their developments
[48:24]
that they need to come back and start
[48:26]
asking for those services and that help.
[48:28]
It's a little too late when you get to
[48:30]
that point in time.
[48:34]
It was a little bit of a question in
[48:35]
some of our mind why you why you want to
[48:37]
do that because we could have sold you
[48:38]
the property, all right, and just run
[48:40]
your water pipeline. And then we looked
[48:42]
at what we could bill you for, we'd have
[48:44]
been millions of dollars in the hole,
[48:46]
all right, because you don't use that
[48:47]
much water, but we would have built you
[48:48]
a pipeline. But the fact that you asked
[48:50]
to be annexed in as a start brought a
[48:54]
whole different complexion to how we
[48:56]
looked at it as a council. And it's
[48:58]
like, okay, we're going to have input.
[48:59]
We're going to have governance. We're
[49:00]
going to have somebody wants to be a
[49:02]
community partner. And we thought that
[49:03]
was great and we appreciate that.
[49:06]
Next slide. Got it.
[49:09]
Water protection. This is one of the key
[49:11]
hot buttons.
[49:12]
>> It's It's been a punch and and
[49:15]
>> yeah,
[49:15]
>> it's a top priority for residents.
[49:18]
>> We're talking clos loop. We're talking
[49:19]
Gen 3. And I just want to say,
[49:21]
>> yeah,
[49:21]
>> we vetted a lot of this out up front.
[49:23]
Had it not been to this, we never would
[49:25]
have even opened the discussion over a
[49:28]
year ago. But y'all brought this to us
[49:30]
at the forefront. I want you to talk
[49:31]
about Gen One, Gen 2, and water.
[49:34]
>> Yeah, this is this is a this is probably
[49:36]
the biggest topic that that we ever that
[49:39]
we run into ever. And again, like I
[49:41]
said, um a lot of justified feelings
[49:44]
around this topic. Um not everybody's a responsible developer and operator.
[49:49]
So, some of the stories you see online,
[49:52]
um, again, when you get out into the,
[49:55]
uh, outside of the city limits and your restrictions are zero, people are
[50:00]
sinking wells, you know, suckling
[50:02]
aquifer dries, things like that. We we
[50:04]
just don't believe we we just don't
[50:05]
believe in that process, right? So,
[50:08]
what you have developed from a a
[50:11]
governance and restriction standpoint
[50:13]
meets meets our typical design anyway.
[50:17]
So, but to give you just give you kind
[50:19]
of an iteration of what the data centers
[50:21]
have done 20 years ago and really even
[50:23]
up to five years ago, we didn't have the
[50:26]
technology on the aircooled chiller side
[50:29]
to really make them functional and
[50:31]
cost-effective. And the technology has
[50:33]
moved mainly because of the people like
[50:35]
you that come out and have said we don't
[50:37]
want this uh happening. It's very
[50:39]
difficult for us to drive the
[50:40]
manufacturing uh companies to create a a system that that we're not deploying.
[50:46]
um if they're making a lot of money on
[50:47]
the old system, why innovate it, right?
[50:49]
So, it it did I think public outcry
[50:52]
helped um move that along a lot quicker
[50:54]
than we could have as an industry. The
[50:56]
initial um standard design I think a lot
[50:59]
of you would be familiar with the Gen
[51:01]
One cooling was was traditional
[51:03]
evaporative cooling with cooling towers.
[51:05]
And basically what we did was we used an
[51:07]
enormous amount of water every day. We
[51:10]
cycled it through the building. Um we
[51:13]
collected the heat through uh you from
[51:15]
air inside. Um exchanged that very much,
[51:19]
you know, like on a radiator. Um and
[51:21]
then we we pumped that loop up to a
[51:24]
tower above the building and we would
[51:26]
evaporate use evaporation to reject the
[51:28]
heat and circle the water back. And what
[51:30]
happens is we could only run that water
[51:33]
through the system, you know, roughly
[51:36]
five or six times. as we evaporate it,
[51:40]
all the dissolved solids and everything
[51:41]
else that's in the water becomes
[51:43]
concentrated. We can't use the water and
[51:44]
then we discharge it out and stick it in
[51:47]
your sewer system. That that was the
[51:49]
standard for many years. Um we all knew
[51:53]
that that wasn't okay and and I would
[51:56]
say even as far back as 20 uh 2007, we
[52:00]
started um conditioning the water
[52:02]
oursel. Um some places we built
[52:05]
evaporative ponds so that we didn't
[52:06]
discharge at all. Um but eventually we
[52:09]
started to drive the industry to to make
[52:11]
that process more effective because
[52:13]
that's all we could do. We looked at
[52:15]
using uh you know outside air
[52:17]
economizers. Um at Yahoo we built you
[52:20]
can look it up online. It's called the
[52:22]
Yahoo chicken coupe. Um we used 100%
[52:25]
outside air very specific environments
[52:28]
that where that works. You can't do it
[52:29]
everywhere. Um so environmentally it was difficult to site those. Um but
[52:34]
the technology helped us iterate. um
[52:38]
we were still using a lot of water. So
[52:40]
today I think the best way to describe
[52:41]
this closed loop system is the radiator
[52:43]
on your car, the the cooling system on
[52:45]
your car. You fill it up with coolant.
[52:48]
It's a closed loop system. You shouldn't
[52:51]
be adding water to it, right? I mean,
[52:53]
anybody here knows that if you're adding
[52:54]
water, there's probably a problem
[52:56]
somewhere that needs to be fixed.
[52:57]
There's there's a you know, there there
[52:59]
are um a lot of lot of piping and
[53:02]
connections and pumps that can possibly
[53:04]
leak. So we might we might have to add a
[53:06]
little bit here and there if we're
[53:08]
having to do maintenance. Um but once we
[53:10]
fill the system it is a closed loop and
[53:12]
we we don't lose the water. We over a
[53:15]
period of time we can we can get some
[53:17]
concentration of certain u it really
[53:20]
depends on on what what the water coming
[53:23]
in has in it and how how that um how how
[53:26]
the operation affects it. So, what we do
[53:28]
to um if we have to uh swap the water
[53:32]
out or add water, we don't discharge
[53:34]
into your sewer. We have storage tanks
[53:36]
on site. Each building has enough
[53:38]
storage to empty into the tank. So, even an emergency, I know you you guys
[53:43]
have put some stuff together on the
[53:45]
emergency side of this. We're not going
[53:46]
to discharge uh directly into the sewer.
[53:48]
We we discharge into our own tanks and
[53:51]
then we will treat the water so that it
[53:53]
it's basically similar to the way that
[53:56]
it came in. Um, we test the water. We
[53:59]
provide that testing to the city water
[54:01]
department before they allow us to
[54:03]
discharge. And then we don't just open
[54:05]
the tank and let it go. They tell us how
[54:07]
much they can handle based on activity
[54:09]
in the city and what's going through um
[54:12]
the sewer treatment plant and we slowly
[54:14]
discharge it. Uh continuous monitoring
[54:17]
of that. We will we will commit to make
[54:20]
that monitoring available full-time. So
[54:22]
we'll have it on our website. You can
[54:24]
see water usage, water quality, water
[54:27]
discharge. We are required to put that
[54:30]
reporting together and provide it to the
[54:31]
city as well and hold that for three
[54:32]
years. But that's how we treat it. So
[54:35]
there is no there's no discharge. And I
[54:38]
think um to to maybe oversimplify it a
[54:40]
little bit, it's just water and glycol.
[54:43]
So it's just like radiator fluid in your car and some water and that
[54:47]
that's what the system runs on. Um
[54:49]
chillers are on the roof. They're air
[54:51]
cooled. So, they're basically
[54:53]
just like the big radiator on the front
[54:55]
of your car. Um, they're large large
[54:58]
fins with surface area that we we run
[55:00]
the water through and blow um air over
[55:02]
and it it dissipates the heat and the
[55:04]
cooler water goes back into the
[55:06]
building. That that's basically how it
[55:07]
works.
[55:09]
There's I can't leave a hot topic like
[55:11]
that this quick. I mean, we got to stay
[55:12]
in. So, we're we're talking about
[55:15]
emergency. You've already said, hey,
[55:16]
we'll discharge with our own facility.
[55:18]
Um,
[55:20]
let's look at what you've seen. I mean,
[55:22]
you've built data centers for 30, 40
[55:25]
years.
[55:26]
Do you think what what has amazed me?
[55:29]
Let me phrase this. Every time I have
[55:31]
talked to you, you were like, just give
[55:32]
it to me and I'll design it that way.
[55:34]
All right. There I've had a couple
[55:35]
questions like, we'll just design that
[55:37]
in. And it amazes me how open y'all have
[55:40]
been to say that's not an issue. I I
[55:43]
mean water, we have had information talk
[55:45]
about billions of gallons that were
[55:47]
going to be used in 4 months. Then it
[55:49]
went to millions and then things. Never
[55:51]
once have y'all told us exactly how much
[55:53]
water you're going to use or require
[55:55]
until you've got your design and you
[55:56]
said it's about 15,000. So at this point
[56:00]
when you compare the technology of this
[56:02]
proposed site versus what's already out
[56:04]
there, how do we benchmark against that?
[56:08]
>> This this is the most advanced as of
[56:11]
today. Um what what I would say even at bite dance when I was we were
[56:16]
deploying this same technology you know
[56:18]
very similar I should say not the same
[56:20]
because we all have a little bit of our
[56:21]
own secret sauce um but we were
[56:24]
deploying this in a tropical environment
[56:25]
so Southeast Asia, Indonesia, Malaysia
[56:28]
um five years ago a closed loop system
[56:31]
would have never been um able to operate
[56:33]
in a high humidity high temperature
[56:35]
environment. the manufacturers have come
[56:37]
a long way and really really provided us
[56:40]
the the tools and the equipment to put a
[56:42]
system together. Um, and to be to be
[56:45]
honest, it does cost more and it's not
[56:48]
as it's not as efficient from an
[56:50]
electrical use as uh the as as the
[56:54]
evaporative cooling is. And that's
[56:55]
really why a lot of developers are still
[56:57]
using the water because they grab the
[56:59]
water for pretty cheap and it it brings
[57:01]
the the cost down. We as an industry use
[57:04]
a a metric called PUE. It's power
[57:08]
utilization effectiveness. And that
[57:10]
basically and so we've always been
[57:12]
tracking this. Well, at least for 20
[57:14]
years we've been tracking this. Um
[57:16]
basically we look at the amount of power
[57:18]
that we use and then the amount of
[57:19]
energy that we need to cool off or
[57:23]
reject the heat is actually the
[57:24]
technical term. Um we have always tried
[57:27]
to bring that pee down as close to par
[57:29]
as you know we can't get to we can't get
[57:31]
to zero but when I started in this 30
[57:36]
years ago we were two to two and a half
[57:38]
times so not not in the ones like 2.25
[57:42]
25 2.5. Um, a lot of people in the
[57:45]
industry will will still tell you today
[57:47]
that a 1.5 is a good number. Um, we're
[57:52]
designing at much much lower numbers
[57:53]
than that. And and that really has been,
[57:56]
you know, because we manage it and we measure it. It does reduce the
[58:00]
amount of servers we can run. But that's
[58:02]
the right way to approach this. I we
[58:05]
responsible way to to to build this is to reduce your energy use and the the
[58:10]
water use as well. And I appreciate you
[58:12]
saying that because it's been it's our
[58:15]
most precious resource. Um there have
[58:18]
been companies that have wanted to come
[58:20]
to Angelo chemical companies and through
[58:22]
the economic development process. We did
[58:25]
not welcome that because of their water
[58:28]
consumption and we we realize that and
[58:30]
we appreciate the fact that y'all threw
[58:32]
that out up front. You've talked about
[58:33]
it. Here's what we do. Here's how much
[58:36]
we use and we'll put our name on the
[58:37]
bottom of it and you can hold us
[58:39]
accountable for it. Earlier today, you
[58:41]
mentioned you're going to have a live
[58:42]
website. You brought it up there. You as
[58:45]
this develops somewhere within the
[58:47]
process the next few years, people will
[58:49]
be able to go on daily to your website
[58:51]
and see the water consumption.
[58:52]
>> Yeah. And they can validate our numbers
[58:54]
against yours because our water numbers
[58:56]
are going to be metered by you. We're
[58:57]
just going to we're just going to give
[58:58]
them to you in real time, but ultimately
[59:01]
you you guys are the ones that have to
[59:03]
validate the data. Same with the
[59:04]
discharge. you guys are me metering and
[59:06]
measuring that as well, but we're gonna
[59:08]
we're just going to provide it to you um
[59:10]
at will basically.
[59:12]
>> Well, it's you know sometimes you know I
[59:15]
would say facts are not popular and it's
[59:20]
when you kick it out like this to say
[59:21]
this is exactly what we're going to
[59:24]
have. We appreciate that. Transparency
[59:26]
is I think the key, right? If [laughter]
[59:29]
it's one thing for us to come up here
[59:30]
and tell you what we're going to do, but
[59:31]
if we don't give you a way to measure
[59:33]
and monitor us and and we're not
[59:35]
transparent, who are you going to
[59:37]
believe, right? I mean, I I don't think
[59:40]
the industry has earned the trust yet
[59:42]
and we need to do a better job at that
[59:43]
and we're going to do our best.
[59:45]
>> Well, I was not just me. I would think
[59:47]
the whole room appreciates that and the
[59:49]
fact that you're very transparent and
[59:50]
upfront about what your consumption is
[59:52]
going to be. Let me roll to the next
[59:53]
slide. Noise mitigation. Um, you talk
[59:57]
about a hum of a data center. You've
[1:00:00]
already committed to the 60 decel level.
[1:00:01]
I I think Patrick, we have a um meter
[1:00:06]
over there at the table. We're exceeding
[1:00:08]
60 right now, but talking at the
[1:00:09]
property lines. That's something that it
[1:00:11]
becomes a hot bed for the surrounding
[1:00:12]
environments. And so we're roughly four
[1:00:15]
miles away. Tell me how you stay within
[1:00:17]
those limits. Prove it.
[1:00:19]
>> Yeah. So once once you've provided a a
[1:00:23]
requirement and the requirements that
[1:00:25]
you've given are are not difficult for
[1:00:27]
us as an industry to meet, there's no
[1:00:29]
reason you guys should hear it. I mean
[1:00:31]
it just again this is this is really if you've got a responsible developer
[1:00:35]
and operator, it shouldn't be built so
[1:00:38]
that you know it's there. Um, I I can
[1:00:41]
tell you in I I have built a lot of
[1:00:43]
hundreds of these sites over almost 30
[1:00:46]
years and I've only had one site where
[1:00:48]
we had a noise issue and
[1:00:51]
basically the way this works is we we
[1:00:53]
start with a noise level that we need to
[1:00:54]
meet. Um, and it's it's typically not an
[1:00:57]
issue. I mean we we can usually uh
[1:00:59]
design within it but as we start to
[1:01:01]
place the buildings and we or orient the
[1:01:03]
buildings so that the equipment is not
[1:01:05]
facing you or facing the road um we have
[1:01:09]
to choose mechanical equipment and
[1:01:10]
electrical equipment. All of that
[1:01:12]
equipment has noise ratings that are
[1:01:14]
engineered. It's it's it's in the
[1:01:16]
manufacturer um you know documentation
[1:01:18]
and specifications. So we start by
[1:01:20]
putting an assembly of pieces together
[1:01:23]
that meet the minimum requirement. Then
[1:01:25]
we run into the what we would call the site related um issues and and this
[1:01:31]
is why we do a study. So once we have it
[1:01:33]
all put together and engineered to work,
[1:01:35]
I think this is where a lot of people
[1:01:36]
fail is once you apply that to the
[1:01:40]
actual location, things can change. So
[1:01:43]
you don't really know how the noise is
[1:01:44]
going to react to the local environment.
[1:01:46]
You'd be surprised sometimes to the
[1:01:48]
amount of moisture in the air. um that
[1:01:50]
like there there's there's some crazy
[1:01:52]
things that we've had to deal with, but
[1:01:54]
we will use a a company that that we
[1:01:57]
both agree on to do an independent study
[1:01:59]
so that we can model the equipment and
[1:02:02]
model that for the site. Um and then
[1:02:05]
we're we have you you guys have actually
[1:02:07]
created some pretty robust language so
[1:02:09]
that we will be testing for the first
[1:02:11]
year to make sure that everything that
[1:02:13]
we've engineered um will meet the
[1:02:15]
minimum requirements if not better.
[1:02:18]
There's there's all kinds of tools that
[1:02:19]
we use. The the equipment has sound
[1:02:21]
attenuing uh properties to it. The
[1:02:25]
generators I think a lot of people are
[1:02:26]
potentially worried about. Our engines
[1:02:28]
go inside a sound attenuated enclosure
[1:02:30]
and that sound rating is is met before
[1:02:33]
it even leaves the footprint of the
[1:02:35]
generator.
[1:02:35]
>> That's been a hot one. I've several
[1:02:37]
people have brought up well they're
[1:02:38]
going to cycle those generators and you
[1:02:40]
can time those. There's it's always been
[1:02:42]
what do you need?
[1:02:43]
>> Yeah. So, the the the generators um they they don't sound any different than
[1:02:48]
a truck driving by. Um we don't run
[1:02:51]
those generators unless there's a
[1:02:52]
utility outage other than once a month
[1:02:55]
for 30 minutes. It's like having a car
[1:02:57]
in the garage. If you don't run it once
[1:02:59]
a month, if these are remember these are
[1:03:02]
emergency backup. So when the power
[1:03:04]
shuts off, we have uh battery systems in
[1:03:08]
the building that bridge the time it
[1:03:10]
takes for the engines to start up and
[1:03:12]
get ready to take the load. We can't
[1:03:14]
have an engine fail. So we we have to
[1:03:16]
test them once a month for 30 minutes
[1:03:19]
and then we shut them down. And that's
[1:03:22]
all. So both the noise and the the
[1:03:25]
discharge from those are are regulated
[1:03:27]
by
[1:03:28]
>> you could stagger those. You could do
[1:03:29]
those anyway when you
[1:03:30]
>> Yeah. So we won't we would never run
[1:03:32]
them outside of the normal business
[1:03:33]
hours. So it wouldn't be at night,
[1:03:35]
wouldn't be on weekends, it would be
[1:03:37]
during the middle of the day. We will
[1:03:39]
give you notice literally the each
[1:03:42]
building runs for 30 minutes and it
[1:03:44]
shuts down.
[1:03:46]
You likely are never going to notice
[1:03:48]
that they actually run. Right. Well, it
[1:03:50]
there's a lot of facilities here in town
[1:03:52]
that have emergency backup generators
[1:03:55]
and the hospitals, there's
[1:03:57]
pharmaceutical companies, odds, all of
[1:03:59]
those have it available. I've never
[1:04:01]
heard anybody complain about it just
[1:04:03]
because of the perimeter and the cushion
[1:04:04]
we have. some of the uh some of what I
[1:04:06]
heard um about the low hum again you uh
[1:04:10]
I think you or um I think it got covered
[1:04:12]
in the in the zoning again that that is
[1:04:15]
a that's a an assembly and a
[1:04:17]
construction means and method issue
[1:04:19]
typically none of the equipment that we
[1:04:21]
buy and install is meant to have a low
[1:04:23]
hum um it does happen and and I I had
[1:04:27]
>> I wanted to make sure you brought this
[1:04:28]
up because you told me you you
[1:04:29]
engineered one out
[1:04:30]
>> I did have this happen to me and it was
[1:04:32]
in Ashurn Virginia um which is a very
[1:04:34]
dense data center indust
[1:04:38]
it's it's pretty much the the center of
[1:04:40]
the universe for all things in the
[1:04:42]
internet um mainly and it it it started
[1:04:45]
there because the subc cables leaving
[1:04:47]
the US out is land in that area and that
[1:04:50]
and they wanted access to to the the
[1:04:52]
subc cable but we had a uh we we did
[1:04:55]
have a an air handling unit when I say a
[1:04:58]
I mean hundreds of them um on the site
[1:05:01]
and it was it was basically five fans on
[1:05:03]
a all four in corner and one in the
[1:05:06]
center and for some reason that center
[1:05:07]
fan we could never get it to balance and
[1:05:10]
it did create a hum and one of the
[1:05:12]
neighbors did bring it up and we tried
[1:05:14]
for a month or two to to balance them.
[1:05:17]
The only way for us to fix it was to
[1:05:19]
remove that fifth fan and that those are
[1:05:22]
just the things you have to do. You you don't say you know deal with it. Um,
[1:05:26]
your regulations are great because if
[1:05:29]
there's a complaint, there's a study,
[1:05:31]
there's some testing and measurement
[1:05:33]
required. If we're over, we have a we
[1:05:36]
have a short amount of time to give you
[1:05:38]
a plan to fix it. So, we're
[1:05:41]
if there's an issue, just let us know
[1:05:43]
and we'll we'll take care of it. But
[1:05:45]
there's there's there's a lot there's a
[1:05:46]
lot of measurement and management around
[1:05:48]
it that that's put in place to to make
[1:05:50]
sure that you guys don't have to ever
[1:05:51]
get to a point where you complain.
[1:05:53]
>> Yeah. One of the times I called you, I
[1:05:55]
said, "I'm running across this question
[1:05:57]
and I don't find it anywhere to find an
[1:05:58]
answer." And you just said, "No." And
[1:06:00]
what was funny straight up? You said,
[1:06:02]
"We we had one." You gave me that exact
[1:06:03]
example and you said, "You know what? I
[1:06:05]
just engineered it out." I was kind of
[1:06:06]
like, "Well, how'd you do? I just took
[1:06:07]
it out." Oh, okay. I thought that was
[1:06:09]
really great. Um, let's go on to the
[1:06:12]
next question.
[1:06:14]
Construction impact. Let's talk about a
[1:06:16]
build this size.
[1:06:18]
>> Yeah.
[1:06:18]
>> The timeline. Um, y'all were going to
[1:06:20]
share this one back and forth, but this
[1:06:23]
one I want to talk about here in the
[1:06:26]
prephase during the buildup and the
[1:06:29]
closure bar and then compare it to some
[1:06:31]
things you see happening in West Texas
[1:06:33]
that I say have been unfairly compared
[1:06:35]
to ourselves.
[1:06:36]
>> Yeah. So,
[1:06:38]
the scale of these are very different
[1:06:40]
from sight to sight. the um what I would
[1:06:43]
say is I think you know what you're
[1:06:44]
seeing over there in West Texas right
[1:06:46]
now that's that's the first and only of
[1:06:48]
its kind. I even as long as I've been
[1:06:52]
doing this I've never seen anything like
[1:06:53]
it. So it's it's it's difficult to
[1:06:56]
explain that and then explain what we're
[1:06:58]
building um
[1:07:01]
we we do have multiple buildings and I
[1:07:03]
think if you if you look if if you think
[1:07:04]
about it um everybody's looking at this
[1:07:07]
like it's one big data center. The the
[1:07:09]
reality is this is like building a
[1:07:10]
commercial uh industrial park that might
[1:07:13]
have multiple buildings that and and
[1:07:16]
roads um and parking and and that's
[1:07:19]
ultimately what it is. The only
[1:07:20]
difference is it's secure. You can't get
[1:07:22]
in unless you work there because for for
[1:07:24]
a number of reasons. Um so we aren't
[1:07:28]
building 3 gawatt. I mean that that
[1:07:30]
that's three 3x plus 300 megawatts of
[1:07:34]
on-site energy generation. It's a very
[1:07:37]
different project than what we're
[1:07:38]
proposing.
[1:07:40]
This is still a large project in you
[1:07:43]
know if you look at data center
[1:07:45]
development over the last 20 years but
[1:07:48]
we're going to stage these bu we're
[1:07:50]
starting with one building and then we
[1:07:52]
will stagger them and build them one
[1:07:53]
building at a time. So we're not talking
[1:07:55]
about thousands of people coming into
[1:07:57]
town for three years. We're t we are
[1:08:00]
talking about hundreds you know s maybe
[1:08:02]
six or 700 people during a peak um and
[1:08:06]
then it goes down. So there should be
[1:08:09]
minimal impact. Look there's there's no
[1:08:12]
way to say we're not going to we're not
[1:08:13]
going to be renting hotel rooms and
[1:08:15]
renting places and eating in your
[1:08:17]
restaurants and like that is going to
[1:08:19]
happen because these guys are going to
[1:08:20]
live here uh for you know 3 to four
[1:08:23]
years. Um
[1:08:24]
>> a lot of the people should be living
[1:08:26]
here.
[1:08:26]
>> Yeah. Well, but but I think the first
[1:08:29]
thing we try to do is make sure that
[1:08:30]
we're sourcing labor um and partnering
[1:08:32]
with the local construction companies
[1:08:34]
and we're going to work we've already
[1:08:36]
started working with with some of them
[1:08:38]
um to minimize that.
[1:08:40]
>> We don't have a staffing plan yet
[1:08:42]
because
[1:08:43]
>> we haven't put a schedule together yet
[1:08:44]
because you have we just kind of give
[1:08:45]
you the guidelines. You haven't approved
[1:08:47]
the project yet, but but we but I've
[1:08:49]
built a lot of these and and I can tell
[1:08:51]
you we're not going to we're not peaking
[1:08:53]
at a thousand people. So it it's also
[1:08:56]
out on the edge of town. So we're you
[1:08:58]
know you're not going to see traffic
[1:08:59]
rolling through town. The other thing
[1:09:01]
too is um we try and stagger some of
[1:09:03]
this work on shifts. Uh once the
[1:09:05]
buildings get closed in we will we we
[1:09:08]
will start you know changing the shifts.
[1:09:10]
So some of the some of the mechanical
[1:09:13]
electrical work can happen um you know
[1:09:15]
in in the second and third shift hours.
[1:09:18]
It reduces the number of people on site.
[1:09:19]
And I think what a lot of people don't
[1:09:21]
understand is the more people we have on
[1:09:23]
site, the more congested it is, the
[1:09:25]
harder it is for us to build it. The
[1:09:27]
more crowded it is, um, our safety goes
[1:09:30]
down, the quality of work goes down. So,
[1:09:33]
we're not we're not we're not in a race.
[1:09:35]
We're looking to, you know, take a
[1:09:37]
logical approach and do this smart. Um,
[1:09:40]
and we we've we've done this a lot. We we know we can do it with minimal
[1:09:45]
impact. it it's been hard for us to
[1:09:49]
define how that comparison is because
[1:09:50]
everybody in here has friends in Abalene
[1:09:53]
and and it's just been a boom and I said
[1:09:56]
that's that's not what we're going to
[1:09:57]
see here to some degree we're going to
[1:09:58]
see some but not at the extent we see
[1:10:00]
and we all have friends and neighbors
[1:10:03]
that have gone through that experience I
[1:10:05]
have a friend that's I guess working for
[1:10:06]
Oracle on the project over in Abalene
[1:10:08]
and I elaborated
[1:10:09]
>> I think Chris can maybe give a little
[1:10:11]
more insight to the impact on Abalene it
[1:10:14]
it's not just one site
[1:10:16]
Yeah, if you if you take a look at
[1:10:18]
Abalene, you know, like Mike was
[1:10:19]
explaining, it's it's a 3 gawatt site
[1:10:22]
and there is a significant level of
[1:10:25]
difference, right? They were trying to
[1:10:26]
build that site as fast as they could.
[1:10:30]
You know, it's the first Stargate site.
[1:10:31]
They threw as many bodies at it as they
[1:10:33]
possibly could and the size and scale of
[1:10:36]
it continues to grow. You know, we've
[1:10:39]
only got 350 acres, guys. We can only
[1:10:42]
build so much product on that site.
[1:10:44]
um I couldn't throw 6,000 people at it
[1:10:47]
at once if I wanted to. There's just not
[1:10:49]
enough acreage there. Um but when you
[1:10:52]
start taking a look at that, you know,
[1:10:54]
you've got one the Stargate site. You've
[1:10:57]
also got another site which is about an
[1:10:59]
hour to the west uh of Abalene, which is
[1:11:02]
another multi-gawatt site. There's no
[1:11:05]
services out where that site is. So all
[1:11:08]
of those construction workers and you
[1:11:11]
know the people that are working on that
[1:11:12]
project are also living in Abalene. So
[1:11:15]
they're commuting back and forth. So you
[1:11:18]
know all of those services are coming
[1:11:20]
there. And then if you go up to Haskell
[1:11:22]
there's another multi-gawatt project
[1:11:24]
which is you know know who it is but I
[1:11:28]
can't say. Um but it is another one of
[1:11:30]
the big five which is another project.
[1:11:32]
Well if anybody in this room has been to
[1:11:34]
Haskell it's a very small town. There's
[1:11:37]
not a lot of services in Haskell. All of
[1:11:40]
those people are also living in Abalene.
[1:11:43]
So, you know, yes, it is putting a
[1:11:47]
significant strain on the local
[1:11:49]
community in Abalene. We get it. Um, I
[1:11:52]
don't see that level of strain happening
[1:11:56]
on San Angelo. There's not the level of
[1:11:58]
activity happening here. Um, you know, I
[1:12:02]
don't think that it's going to happen
[1:12:03]
anytime. And if some of those people
[1:12:05]
should this move forward, if some of
[1:12:07]
those people still want to stay in
[1:12:08]
Abalene and drive back and forth, I
[1:12:09]
don't think anybody in this room would
[1:12:11]
have a problem with that. All right? I'm
[1:12:12]
just saying we have to be practical
[1:12:13]
about what's going to happen and moving
[1:12:15]
forward. And I I appreciate y'all's
[1:12:17]
honesty on that moving forward. What you
[1:12:18]
think is going to be factual.
[1:12:22]
>> We
[1:12:23]
I tell you what, we have to go through
[1:12:25]
this presentation. That's public
[1:12:26]
comment. I can't let that happen. But
[1:12:28]
you submitted questions and we'll get to
[1:12:30]
those in a minute. And you they actually
[1:12:32]
have that answered and we're going to
[1:12:34]
get to that here in a minute.
[1:12:37]
Job creation beyond the constru
[1:12:40]
construction phase. What do we see? I
[1:12:43]
mean a lot of people have said you're
[1:12:44]
going to come here. How many people is
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it going to bring? What are we going to
[1:12:48]
retain? I look at it and go for the
[1:12:51]
revenue that you're going to bring to
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the city. It's the least impactful
[1:12:56]
stress on infrastructure you'll ever
[1:12:58]
see. But people here want to know how
[1:13:00]
many people are going to start. And
[1:13:02]
let's just maybe skip all the way to the
[1:13:03]
end and say potentially how many jobs
[1:13:06]
are going to be here. But I think people
[1:13:08]
have to realize Goodfellow is going to
[1:13:10]
love to interface. I mean I we can guess
[1:13:12]
it's it doesn't take a rocket scientist
[1:13:14]
to figure out who maybe your top three
[1:13:15]
candidates are. and for our university,
[1:13:19]
for our good fellow people, for our high
[1:13:21]
school students and them to be able to
[1:13:22]
come through in the next 10, 15 years
[1:13:24]
and say, "Well, I was at a campus and
[1:13:26]
did an internship for these people just
[1:13:29]
is the coolest thing in the world." This
[1:13:31]
is about some opportunities there, but I
[1:13:33]
want to go back and talk a little bit
[1:13:34]
about the job creation.
[1:13:35]
>> Yeah. So, it it's it's in a couple of
[1:13:38]
different buckets. Um there's the first
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one is is really just the facility teams
[1:13:43]
that have to operate and manage the
[1:13:46]
let's call it the building, right?
[1:13:47]
Mechanical, electrical, the the entire
[1:13:50]
campus. There's there's probably 100 to
[1:13:53]
150 jobs that are full-time. These are 7
[1:13:56]
by 24 uh operational facilities. So, you
[1:13:59]
know, daytime staffing is a little
[1:14:01]
higher, but these these facilities have
[1:14:03]
to have people on site like a hospital
[1:14:04]
kind of. um these the the facilities
[1:14:08]
team is what we refer to them are there
[1:14:10]
seven days a week 24 hours a day. So you
[1:14:12]
can imagine one role um in the building
[1:14:16]
that has to cover 7 days a week 24 hours
[1:14:18]
plus holidays takes three people that
[1:14:21]
one job is a threeperson job for just
[1:14:23]
that just that task. So um that and and
[1:14:27]
that the the numbers around that are
[1:14:29]
pretty pretty well established in
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industrywide because we know what it
[1:14:32]
takes. The IT infrastructure um
[1:14:34]
operations inside is vastly different
[1:14:37]
and it could be it could be it could be
[1:14:40]
at least that much and it could be
[1:14:42]
double that. It really depends on what
[1:14:44]
IT equipment gets installed in that
[1:14:46]
building. Um and that's anywhere from we
[1:14:50]
again it's
[1:14:50]
>> so will will you specify that equipment
[1:14:52]
or will your renters? No, we don't we
[1:14:54]
don't specify. Look, the the IT
[1:14:57]
equipment typically refreshes every 3 to
[1:14:59]
5 years. So, day one they put it in,
[1:15:04]
they run it for 3 to 5 years depending
[1:15:06]
on what it is. And at a certain point,
[1:15:08]
new technology is has come out and it's it the the cost effectiveness of
[1:15:13]
operating the servers that are in there
[1:15:15]
become, you know, there there's a
[1:15:17]
complicated uh algorithm that we use
[1:15:19]
based based on power consumption and
[1:15:22]
output of the CPU. eventually it just
[1:15:24]
doesn't make sense to keep it. So we
[1:15:26]
pull it all out and put new. And that
[1:15:27]
that's a pretty constant every 5year um
[1:15:31]
3 to 5 year uh depending on what
[1:15:32]
>> not only would that the value of the
[1:15:34]
facility would increase every 5 years
[1:15:36]
too, right?
[1:15:38]
>> The value of it based on the interior,
[1:15:39]
the equipment, things like that
[1:15:41]
>> that refreshes every 3 to five years.
[1:15:43]
>> Correct. Three to five. Okay.
[1:15:44]
>> Yeah. Yeah. So
[1:15:46]
those jobs those jobs cover, you know,
[1:15:49]
the installation and what we refer to as
[1:15:51]
break fix.
[1:15:53]
You could have a million servers in
[1:15:55]
there. Um, anyone here that has a
[1:15:57]
computer knows you got to do stuff with
[1:15:58]
it pretty regularly. So it's replacing
[1:16:00]
components, keeping them operating.
[1:16:02]
There's there's a pretty large staff of
[1:16:04]
network technicians. There's a lot of
[1:16:07]
fiber and structured cabling and network
[1:16:09]
equipment that is always being upgraded,
[1:16:12]
moved, added. So um
[1:16:16]
the
[1:16:18]
there's a there's a there's a lot of
[1:16:19]
fixed um jobs but then I think the third
[1:16:22]
bucket is there's a lot of peripheral uh
[1:16:24]
jobs that get created to support the
[1:16:26]
site and those are those are jobs
[1:16:28]
created in town for services that the
[1:16:31]
entire the entire function needs. So we
[1:16:34]
have external contractors that that we
[1:16:37]
hire food service like there's there's a
[1:16:40]
uh I can't put a number on that because
[1:16:42]
every every operation is slightly
[1:16:44]
different.
[1:16:44]
>> I don't
[1:16:44]
>> but but we're we're talking about 400
[1:16:47]
probably permanent on-site and you know
[1:16:49]
a few hundred ex external but indirect
[1:16:53]
support to uh to to the project. It's
[1:16:56]
you can see lots of numbers, but the one
[1:16:57]
I see that brings the most consistency
[1:16:59]
to what we're talking about is for every
[1:17:00]
one building you have on a site at a
[1:17:02]
data center, you're probably going to
[1:17:03]
have six or seven businesses that are
[1:17:05]
going come up. Just a ratio of one to
[1:17:08]
six. If you put in four buildings, we
[1:17:10]
could look at roughly 24 businesses that
[1:17:12]
will come here. These are jobs that left
[1:17:14]
middle America and are coming back to
[1:17:15]
middle America.
[1:17:16]
>> That's correct.
[1:17:17]
>> Yeah.
[1:17:18]
>> With that, let me move over to the next
[1:17:20]
slide.
[1:17:22]
Here's one that
[1:17:24]
AE could probably answer this more and
[1:17:26]
they do answer some questions, but let's
[1:17:28]
talk about grid reliability. Um, people
[1:17:31]
talk about brownouts. You're going to be
[1:17:32]
using all of our electricity. What
[1:17:34]
happens when it's 114 degrees in Angelo
[1:17:37]
for 60 days straight. How do you manage
[1:17:39]
that? And what we want to make sure
[1:17:41]
you're not going to Yeah. steal the
[1:17:44]
electricity.
[1:17:44]
>> Understood. Um I I do think that they
[1:17:47]
answer it pretty technically, but I'll
[1:17:48]
give I'll give more of a a nonutility
[1:17:51]
layman's uh uh answer. So before we even
[1:17:56]
get
[1:17:58]
final site selection on one of these
[1:17:59]
sites, we have to go to the utility
[1:18:01]
being A and then URKT and we have to we
[1:18:04]
have to pay them to do a study on the
[1:18:07]
grid um to determine whether they can
[1:18:09]
supply this or not. And if they can't,
[1:18:12]
they tell us no. if they can with enough
[1:18:15]
generation but they need additional
[1:18:18]
infrastructure and we're talking about
[1:18:19]
transmission lines, switchyard,
[1:18:22]
substation upgrades, they will come back
[1:18:24]
to us and say we can serve it but
[1:18:27]
there's all of these upgrades that need
[1:18:29]
to be done and then we're responsible to
[1:18:31]
make uh pay for that. So the the
[1:18:34]
infrastructure coming to the site um and
[1:18:36]
the cost of that never gets passed on to
[1:18:39]
the the rateayer. it it's a direct cost
[1:18:41]
and we not only do we have to pay for
[1:18:43]
the study and the engineering but but we
[1:18:46]
have to put the money up front for those improvements long before we um
[1:18:51]
actually dig you know put the shovel in the dirt. So, um, and then our, uh, a
[1:18:56]
lot of people think that we go in and
[1:18:57]
negotiate a rate. U State of Texas and
[1:19:00]
Urkott and A. We're we're governed by a
[1:19:03]
tariff. We we don't we don't get to
[1:19:05]
negotiate the rate. So, we we pay what
[1:19:07]
the tariff uh, and the the laws say we
[1:19:09]
pay. Um, that's not the same in every
[1:19:12]
state than every municipality. But, but
[1:19:14]
here in Texas, we don't uh we don't get
[1:19:16]
to pick our um, well, here in St.
[1:19:17]
Angelo, we're we're not we're not
[1:19:19]
choosing what we pay for power. Well,
[1:19:21]
and I think sometimes people don't
[1:19:22]
understand that when the grid gets
[1:19:24]
tight, there's a hierarchy in who gets
[1:19:26]
cut off first and how it works down. The
[1:19:29]
last people will be cut off will be a
[1:19:30]
hospital and a nursing home, but there's
[1:19:31]
a hierarchy and you have the ability
[1:19:33]
with generators basically to be an
[1:19:34]
island.
[1:19:35]
>> Yeah, we do. If there's if if there is
[1:19:37]
so our backup generation is we're from a
[1:19:40]
business perspective in the way that our commitments to the tenants we have
[1:19:45]
to have enough emergency um backup
[1:19:48]
generation on site to run roughly 48
[1:19:51]
hours on an island. Right? So if there's
[1:19:53]
a if there's an emergency or if there's
[1:19:55]
a a load a load issue like a an overload
[1:19:59]
issue um they can ask us to go to
[1:20:01]
generators and and run and operate and we can do that
[1:20:05]
>> well and that's what it comes up a lot.
[1:20:07]
It's a hot button and people are like
[1:20:08]
you're going to take all that. I'm like
[1:20:10]
no you you can be self-sufficient. You
[1:20:12]
can survive on your own to help us get
[1:20:13]
through those periods whether it be cold
[1:20:15]
or heat.
[1:20:15]
>> No is not going to let us impact you.
[1:20:19]
It's it's pretty it's pretty clear in
[1:20:21]
the way that they operate. That's not how it works.
[1:20:23]
>> I I get it. All right. So, we'll go to
[1:20:24]
the next slide.
[1:20:26]
Here is I I think this may be our last
[1:20:28]
slide. Um
[1:20:30]
a lot of people have talked about well
[1:20:32]
what are you going to give us for this?
[1:20:34]
I mean, you know, what is everybody
[1:20:36]
going to get? Um but some form of a
[1:20:39]
handout, what makes this go? And then we
[1:20:41]
talk about corporate social
[1:20:42]
responsibility. These this isn't
[1:20:44]
anything we can force on you. every
[1:20:45]
company in the world, every nonprofit,
[1:20:48]
every business commercial, they make
[1:20:49]
their own decisions on what they're
[1:20:51]
going to give to the local community. Um
[1:20:54]
the the fact that we propose this
[1:20:56]
question to me bothered me. I had
[1:20:58]
hesitation going, it's not our right to
[1:21:00]
demand that. All right. It's up to you
[1:21:03]
to say what you can and cannot do. And
[1:21:05]
it's so I'll go back to the first time
[1:21:06]
we sat on the stage and throw I think
[1:21:08]
Chris gave a very good answer at that
[1:21:10]
point. You know, give us some examples
[1:21:12]
of what you've done before. These are
[1:21:13]
not guarantees. These aren't promises,
[1:21:15]
but throw out some examples of what you
[1:21:17]
do for a community.
[1:21:18]
>> Yeah, I I'm going to let Chris uh take
[1:21:20]
this one, but I I understand what you're
[1:21:22]
saying, and I I think the fact that
[1:21:24]
we're wanting to to be annexed into the
[1:21:25]
city means we we want to be part of the
[1:21:27]
community. So, we understand it's not
[1:21:29]
you're right, but that's why we're here,
[1:21:32]
right?
[1:21:34]
>> So, you know, this question really
[1:21:36]
breaks down into two pieces. um you know
[1:21:39]
we're the developer of the project and
[1:21:41]
as the developer we'll develop the
[1:21:43]
buildings and then we're going to lease
[1:21:44]
these buildings to you know again a
[1:21:47]
Fortune 500 company. So, you know, there
[1:21:50]
are certain things that we will do for
[1:21:53]
the community and then when we have a
[1:21:55]
tenant that comes in, the tenant that
[1:21:57]
leases the campus from us, the tenant
[1:22:00]
will also get ingrained in the community
[1:22:02]
and those tenants always come in and
[1:22:04]
will do things for the community above
[1:22:06]
and beyond what we do. So, you know, I
[1:22:09]
can only speak to, you know, the things
[1:22:11]
that we generally do. Now, once the
[1:22:13]
tenant comes in, that'll be a completely
[1:22:15]
different discussion topic. um you know
[1:22:18]
but you will see them get much more
[1:22:20]
ingrained in the community. Now you know
[1:22:22]
for us every community is different. The
[1:22:25]
ask is always a little bit different.
[1:22:27]
the needs are always a little bit
[1:22:28]
different and we do try to spend time
[1:22:30]
and and you know we have been having uh
[1:22:32]
conversations with with Mayor Tom you
[1:22:35]
know about you know the needs of the
[1:22:37]
community but some of the things that
[1:22:38]
we've done in different communities are
[1:22:41]
their apprenticeship programs their
[1:22:43]
sponsoring school programs
[1:22:46]
um you know we've sponsored you know
[1:22:48]
concert in the park series for you know
[1:22:50]
10 years running uh in other communities
[1:22:53]
you know we've you know the fire trucks
[1:22:57]
for, you know, Westlake Village and and,
[1:23:00]
you know, one of the suburbs of Chicago.
[1:23:01]
I mean, there's just different things
[1:23:03]
that different communities, you know,
[1:23:05]
have needs for. So, I can't put my
[1:23:08]
finger on one specific thing that that
[1:23:10]
we would say this is what we're going to
[1:23:11]
do for the community. I don't want to
[1:23:13]
say that we're only going to do one
[1:23:14]
thing for the community because that's
[1:23:16]
not really how this works. There's a
[1:23:18]
partnership that we want to have with
[1:23:19]
the community. So, you know, we're open
[1:23:22]
to doing different things. is we just
[1:23:24]
need to be able to spend more time with
[1:23:25]
the mayor and come up with what are the
[1:23:27]
things that are going to impact the
[1:23:29]
community the most and those are the
[1:23:30]
things that we're going to focus on.
[1:23:33]
>> I I can I can add a little context too
[1:23:36]
from the the tenant side because that I was the tenant for the last
[1:23:41]
probably 18 years um and operating you
[1:23:44]
know dozens of these sites all over the
[1:23:45]
globe. What I can tell you, every one of
[1:23:48]
the hyperscalers or big five or fam,
[1:23:51]
there's all kinds of names for them. Um,
[1:23:54]
we all have a dedicated role on the team
[1:23:57]
on a campus like this. That is the
[1:23:59]
community manager and the community
[1:24:00]
relation team. They're there for you if
[1:24:02]
you've got questions about what's going
[1:24:04]
on the site. If you if you're not happy
[1:24:06]
with something that's going on the site,
[1:24:08]
they they have a full-time team that is here to to engage, but they but
[1:24:13]
they're also working with you. um the
[1:24:16]
needs change and the teams um a lot you
[1:24:19]
know we're hoping the majority of the
[1:24:21]
people that get hired there are are uh
[1:24:23]
you know people that live here and I
[1:24:25]
don't think we're going to see commuters
[1:24:26]
coming into St. Angelo but um there's a lot of community engagement u
[1:24:32]
and and there'll be dedicated people to to do that guaranteed it's too big of
[1:24:37]
a too big of an operation and it it's
[1:24:40]
too risky to have a negative impact. Um,
[1:24:42]
so it's a it's a pretty big high
[1:24:44]
priority for the operational teams that
[1:24:46]
will that will be on site.
[1:24:48]
It's it's always an ask. It's never an
[1:24:52]
obligation and you know it's it's it's
[1:24:54]
never handout and people do that
[1:24:56]
respectfully to help a community grow.
[1:24:58]
We've seen it in renewables with you
[1:25:01]
know wind turbine companies with solar
[1:25:02]
power companies. But we're starting to
[1:25:04]
talk about the big five and I just have
[1:25:07]
to sit back and think, okay, how cool
[1:25:09]
would it be for students of people here
[1:25:13]
in the next 5 10 years say they I'll
[1:25:16]
throw out, you know, any one of those
[1:25:17]
big five. Yeah, I did an internship with
[1:25:19]
them. They subsidized this project. ASU
[1:25:22]
would be excited to have this on stream.
[1:25:23]
Uh GoodFellows very excited about this.
[1:25:26]
There's there's things that move forward
[1:25:28]
that make it applicable for everybody to
[1:25:31]
actually get some benefit out of this.
[1:25:32]
So, I I know we've talked about um kind
[1:25:35]
of the school boundaries here on the
[1:25:37]
profit. Now, the majority of this lies
[1:25:38]
in the very best school district and due
[1:25:40]
to the Robin Hood law and all of y'all
[1:25:42]
are familiar with it. Um all of that
[1:25:44]
money is going to go to very best and
[1:25:46]
then the state's going to take what's
[1:25:48]
you know the excess part of that and go
[1:25:50]
on. But I mean, what has amazed me was
[1:25:52]
even in these discussions, y'all were
[1:25:54]
open to if there's ideas to help make
[1:25:56]
this thing blend to help more schools,
[1:25:59]
we will certainly engage in those
[1:26:00]
discussions.
[1:26:01]
>> Yeah. Um, nobody else has come to town
[1:26:03]
and ever made that obligation. I mean,
[1:26:05]
the fact that you've signed on to do a
[1:26:07]
lot of this certainly validates some of
[1:26:09]
that. So, we appreciate that.
[1:26:12]
Let me see.
[1:26:14]
Okay. So, everyone that sent in a
[1:26:18]
question, this website went live at 5:30
[1:26:22]
today. Every question that was submitted
[1:26:25]
got summarized and put up here. All
[1:26:28]
right. I I I I can't thank staff and
[1:26:32]
council for rolling through and putting
[1:26:35]
and and I was like, "So, you've put all
[1:26:36]
of this up?" And they're like, "Yes, we
[1:26:38]
have." Okay. If you don't find your
[1:26:40]
specific question, it was probably
[1:26:42]
summarized. All right. We only answered
[1:26:45]
those questions that we could give you a
[1:26:47]
100% factual answer. If it was something
[1:26:50]
that involved an opinion or was
[1:26:53]
subjective, it didn't get answered.
[1:26:54]
We're not going to back ourselves into a
[1:26:56]
corner like that. We wouldn't back you
[1:26:58]
into a corner like that, but we wanted
[1:26:59]
to put up everything we could to let you
[1:27:02]
see those answers that she submitted.
[1:27:05]
I've got a mayor statement on the front
[1:27:06]
that talks about my obligation as we go
[1:27:10]
forward, council's obligation, and I
[1:27:13]
will say this at this point,
[1:27:16]
and I don't know how many of y'all got a
[1:27:18]
tax letter the past week.
[1:27:21]
All right, I think two times of y'all
[1:27:24]
have sent me an invoice about that. and
[1:27:25]
I'm or an email about that and I say I I
[1:27:28]
get it. But I will say this is the door
[1:27:32]
and the path moving forward.
[1:27:36]
This is a door to make your tax city tax
[1:27:39]
rate and county tax rate and school tax
[1:27:42]
rate start with a different number and
[1:27:44]
that number is lower. The city tax rate
[1:27:47]
starts with a seven over time. This
[1:27:50]
gives an opportunity uh one of the few
[1:27:53]
things we talk about because we don't
[1:27:54]
know the full money but there's
[1:27:55]
franchise fees and there's property tax
[1:27:58]
there's depending if you hit a certain
[1:28:00]
benchmark you know there there may be
[1:28:01]
sales tax there maybe not but the
[1:28:04]
ability of this to help us is the only
[1:28:08]
amount of money that I've seen in the
[1:28:10]
past nine years and probably for the
[1:28:12]
next 10 years in front of us a way to
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uh as we say it's a way to see more
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people come here It's a way for to put a
[1:28:22]
splash pad in every park. All right.
[1:28:24]
It's a way to I I need two fire
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stations. I don't know if y'all know
[1:28:29]
what fire stations cost, but they cost
[1:28:31]
$12 million. All right. I need I need 20
[1:28:35]
more.
[1:28:37]
policemen. All right. We
[1:28:40]
are 20 policemen understaffed right now.
[1:28:43]
So, the revenue of this helps us
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accomplish those goals. It's not a sales
[1:28:48]
pitch. I just want you to understand
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this is a door and it's up to y'all and
[1:28:52]
y'all have had lots of input to move
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forward with it if you think that's a
[1:28:57]
way to move forward or not. Uh with
[1:28:59]
that, we're going to move into public
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comment. I I think uh we deserve a big
[1:29:03]
round of applause to Mike and [applause]
[1:29:07]
Chris for what you've done.
[1:29:11]
Gentlemen,
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thank you very much.
[1:29:15]
>> Thank you.
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Mike. Appreciate it.
[1:29:27]
You going to take that mic back there?
[1:29:29]
Gotcha. At this point, as in fashion
[1:29:32]
with all of our city council meetings,
[1:29:34]
we're going to move into public comment.
[1:29:36]
People wishing to speak at the city
[1:29:38]
council meeting must sign in prior to
[1:29:39]
5:30 p.m. Speakers are limited to 3
[1:29:41]
minutes. Comments must be relevant to
[1:29:44]
the authority of the city. Please state
[1:29:46]
your name, address, or single member
[1:29:47]
district before beginning your remarks.
[1:29:50]
Citizens bringing materials for
[1:29:51]
distribution to city council members
[1:29:53]
must during the meeting must bring a
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minimum of 12 copies. Responses from
[1:29:57]
officials will not be provided during
[1:29:59]
this portion of the meeting. So,
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Heather, where are you? Heather, how
[1:30:05]
many just let me start with this. How
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many public comments do we have signed
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up?
[1:30:09]
>> 30.
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>> All right. So, we have 30 comments. Just
[1:30:12]
so you know, they're allowed up to 3
[1:30:14]
minutes each. I will tell you, just
[1:30:17]
because you signed up for it doesn't
[1:30:18]
mean you have to provide it. And if your
[1:30:21]
questions were answered here tonight, I
[1:30:24]
would say that may help you. We'll be
[1:30:26]
here to the very end. Us and council
[1:30:28]
will. Other people have time
[1:30:30]
obligations, but with that, Heather,
[1:30:32]
call your first public comment.
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>> Tanya Atkins.
[1:30:36]
>> Tanya, where's the timer going to be?
[1:30:38]
Heather,
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>> you've got the timer.
[1:30:43]
I'm not going to sit up here. I'm going
[1:30:44]
to go sit over here at the table.
[1:30:46]
>> But you are given that and you're on
[1:30:47]
film.
[1:30:48]
>> See this?
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>> Yes.
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» Um, good evening, mayor, council man
[1:30:54]
members, and skybox representatives. My
[1:30:57]
name is Tanya Atkins. I'm a resident of
[1:30:58]
San Angelo District 2, owner of a Texas
[1:31:01]
licensed private security company. I got
[1:31:03]
your six. As reported by the St. Angelo
[1:31:06]
Standard Times in the city's public
[1:31:07]
announcement for tonight's meeting. As we saw, residents have submitted
[1:31:11]
numerous questions in advance, including
[1:31:13]
the direct question, will construction
[1:31:15]
jobs be filled with local community
[1:31:17]
companies or out of town workers? This
[1:31:20]
question deserves serious attention.
[1:31:21]
When work is awarded to local San Angelo
[1:31:23]
contractors and service providers, every
[1:31:25]
dollar spent typically generates about$
[1:31:27]
1.8 to$2.2 in total economic activity.
[1:31:31]
on a 16 proposed $16 billion project
[1:31:34]
like the SATA center with construction
[1:31:36]
expected to span several years. That
[1:31:37]
would mean roughly 29 to $35 billion in
[1:31:41]
total local economic output for St.
[1:31:43]
Angelo over the construction period,
[1:31:45]
including wages for the workers
[1:31:46]
contracts with local suppliers and
[1:31:49]
spending throughout our own community.
[1:31:51]
St. Angela has been has had seen major
[1:31:54]
projects in recent years that no public
[1:31:55]
records have shown the exact split
[1:31:57]
between local and outside contractor
[1:31:59]
spending. For example, the recent s uh
[1:32:01]
Shannon Medical Center West Texas West
[1:32:04]
Tower expansion used an outside prime
[1:32:06]
contractor from Alabama. The $41.6
[1:32:09]
million Coliseum renovation bond is that
[1:32:11]
our taxpayers is paying for is also
[1:32:13]
likely to send a large portion of those
[1:32:15]
dollars out of town. This data center
[1:32:18]
gives us the opportunity to actually
[1:32:19]
change that pattern and keep far more of
[1:32:22]
the economic benefit here when a
[1:32:24]
substantial portion of the work instead
[1:32:26]
goes to national regional firms
[1:32:29]
headquartered outside of the Koncho
[1:32:30]
Valley such as Allied Universal, other
[1:32:32]
companies such based in uh Kurville and
[1:32:35]
Sweetwater. Economic leakage can reduce
[1:32:38]
uh can reduce that benefit by 30 to 50%
[1:32:40]
or more. that could cost San Angela
[1:32:42]
billions of dollars in lost wages, local
[1:32:44]
businesses, revenue, and tax collections
[1:32:46]
that never stay here. Council members,
[1:32:49]
this is our community. Why Why would we
[1:32:51]
not do everything possible to keep all
[1:32:53]
of that money, the billions of dollars
[1:32:55]
circulating here, creating jobs and
[1:32:57]
opportunities for our town, our
[1:32:58]
families, our neighbors, instead of
[1:33:00]
sending them out of town? Security
[1:33:02]
services offer a clear practical
[1:33:04]
opportunity. Large data centers often
[1:33:06]
default to national providers. Yet local
[1:33:08]
qualified local firms like mine are
[1:33:11]
fully capable of delivering professional
[1:33:13]
24-hour sight security, access control,
[1:33:15]
traffic management, work zones in
[1:33:17]
coordination with offduty peace officers
[1:33:19]
with faster response, lower trash,
[1:33:21]
travel costs, and spending that remains
[1:33:23]
right here in St. Angelo. Council
[1:33:25]
members, I respectfully ask that you and
[1:33:27]
the project team give meaningful
[1:33:29]
preference and consideration to all
[1:33:31]
qualified local business and San Angelo
[1:33:34]
businesses and contractors, not just for
[1:33:36]
security, but for any portion of work
[1:33:38]
that can be effectively performed from
[1:33:40]
within our community. This single
[1:33:43]
decision could help ensure that San
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Angel receives the greatest possible
[1:33:46]
economic return from this project and
[1:33:48]
keep as many dollars as possible
[1:33:50]
circulating right here among among our
[1:33:52]
own residents and businesses. Thank you
[1:33:54]
for your time.
[1:33:56]
[applause]
[1:34:01]
» Heather second.
[1:34:02]
>> Steven Markx.
[1:34:08]
Steven Marx.
[1:34:15]
Let's go to the next one. Heather
[1:34:20]
» Katherine Bayer.
[1:34:22]
Katherine Bayer.
[1:34:28]
>> Go to the next one.
[1:34:30]
>> Adam Jonkey.
[1:34:34]
» Adam.
[1:34:37]
» Okay,
[1:34:38]
>> the next one.
[1:34:39]
>> Shannon Carpenter.
[1:34:43]
» Shannon.
[1:34:46]
>> Okay,
[1:34:47]
>> go the next one. Heather
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>> Libby Grapha.
[1:34:51]
>> Libbyy's here. Sorry.
[1:34:55]
[applause]
[1:34:59]
» Hello. My name is Libby Graa. I am a St.
[1:35:02]
Angelo resident. I'm sorry. I don't know
[1:35:04]
the number of my district,
[1:35:07]
>> but I live in I'm in five. Okay, I'm in
[1:35:09]
five. There we go. I just know who my
[1:35:11]
councilman is. Um, you answered most of
[1:35:14]
my questions. I appreciate that. And I
[1:35:18]
will look at the website for a little
[1:35:21]
more clarity of I I think my answers
[1:35:24]
will be there. But the one question I do
[1:35:27]
have is who is going to receive all the
[1:35:29]
data services?
[1:35:32]
I well St. Angelo, you're bringing in
[1:35:34]
someone in the big five. Who's going to
[1:35:37]
receive all of that service? Um so that
[1:35:41]
is that's a question. Um, I am going to
[1:35:44]
look for the total amount of gallons you
[1:35:46]
plan to use. You said it's going to take
[1:35:48]
a 12 months, I believe I understood, to
[1:35:51]
fill the quantity you need. Um, but I
[1:35:56]
didn't get a number. And I'm sure you
[1:35:59]
know what that is. You just didn't tell
[1:36:01]
us that. Um, you did say our utilities
[1:36:05]
will not rise with the use you're going
[1:36:09]
to be using our water and our
[1:36:11]
electricity. I think I understood that.
[1:36:14]
Um, that's important to me. Um, I'm glad
[1:36:18]
you're here explaining this. I hope more
[1:36:21]
St. Angelo residents will come. They'll
[1:36:25]
hopefully if this is going to be online
[1:36:27]
or on television, they'll view it and
[1:36:30]
become informed. [clears throat] Thank
[1:36:32]
you for your time,
[1:36:35]
[applause]
[1:36:40]
Heather Wy.
[1:36:44]
» [applause]
[1:36:55]
» Good evening. My name is Heather Wy. I'm
[1:36:58]
a resident of District 3. On November
[1:37:00]
19th, 1863, Abraham Lincoln said in his
[1:37:03]
favorite speech, the Gettysburg Address,
[1:37:05]
that this nation was a government of the
[1:37:07]
people, by the people, and for the
[1:37:08]
people. Isn't it amazing that before St.
[1:37:11]
Angelo even existed, a man would speak a
[1:37:13]
phrase from one of the most historically
[1:37:15]
significant speeches in American
[1:37:16]
history. And it applies even to you, our
[1:37:20]
elected leaders. You are chosen leaders
[1:37:22]
elected by the people and for the
[1:37:24]
people. And weirdly, there's nothing in
[1:37:25]
there about rep representing
[1:37:27]
corporations or data centers. The choice
[1:37:29]
before you is one of humanity, a choice
[1:37:31]
for the people. Set aside your
[1:37:33]
justifications about what this might do
[1:37:35]
for the city budget or property taxes
[1:37:37]
and consider instead the ways your
[1:37:39]
people have been trying to communicate
[1:37:40]
with you through Facebook posts, the
[1:37:42]
Next Door app, yard signs, bumper
[1:37:44]
stickers, petitions, and emails. Even if
[1:37:47]
they say the same thing, our public
[1:37:49]
comments, our presence, your people are
[1:37:52]
speaking in many different ways. The
[1:37:54]
collective voice is loud. They are
[1:37:55]
telling you at a minimum they want a
[1:37:57]
moratorum for a full length of time
[1:37:59]
allowed by the state. and truly they
[1:38:01]
want no data center at all. Can you hear
[1:38:04]
the people over the noise pollution of
[1:38:05]
the data centers you're trying to bring
[1:38:07]
into our home? Thank you.
[1:38:15]
[applause]
[1:38:24]
Alli Deo.
[1:38:28]
[applause]
[1:38:39]
» Do I have to tell you my address because
[1:38:41]
I'm
[1:38:42]
>> I'm not in a county specific district.
[1:38:45]
county resident.
[1:38:46]
>> Yeah, county resident. [snorts] And um
[1:38:49]
I'm just here to reiterate this um
[1:38:52]
however you want to spin it, we do not
[1:38:54]
have the water resources for hypers
[1:38:56]
scale data centers in St. Angelo.
[1:38:59]
And the people of Texas don't want the
[1:39:02]
765 KV power lines all over the state
[1:39:05]
that are needed to power them.
[1:39:08]
Those [applause]
[1:39:10]
lines will stand taller than the Statue
[1:39:12]
of Liberty. And that contains a powerful
[1:39:15]
symbology, power over liberty. I think I
[1:39:19]
speak for the majority of the people in
[1:39:21]
this room when I say we want this city
[1:39:23]
council to engage in projects that
[1:39:26]
empower the people and help make life
[1:39:30]
more livable, not schemes that virtually
[1:39:33]
enslave us and make the costs of living
[1:39:36]
even more unbearable than they already
[1:39:38]
are. While the taxpayers and rateayers
[1:39:40]
subsidize billionaires and corporations,
[1:39:43]
we want you to actually take care of the
[1:39:45]
watershed and our resources.
[1:39:48]
>> [snorts]
[1:39:48]
>> and not campaign to sell us projects
[1:39:51]
that will threaten those resources and
[1:39:53]
sacrifice everything that we most value
[1:39:55]
here. If [snorts] you really want to
[1:39:58]
create a legacy, stop trying to sell
[1:40:00]
this right now. Start representing the
[1:40:03]
people and listen to their concerns and
[1:40:05]
their knowledge, not with an ear to sway
[1:40:08]
them or prove them wrong, but actually
[1:40:10]
consider that they might have something
[1:40:11]
valid to say that you may have
[1:40:13]
overlooked. One thing you're overlooking
[1:40:15]
is the fact that the city owns thousands
[1:40:18]
of acres of land outside the city limits
[1:40:20]
with miles of frontage on the Concho
[1:40:23]
River. And you've never once thought to
[1:40:26]
do one good thing in the interest of
[1:40:28]
protecting this land as a valuable
[1:40:30]
natural resource in the recharge and
[1:40:33]
repairarian zone of our primary water
[1:40:35]
supply. St. Angelo's city council has
[1:40:39]
entertained plans for giant private
[1:40:41]
prison complexes, waste gasification
[1:40:44]
plants where we could burn our trash and
[1:40:46]
invite other communities to come burn
[1:40:47]
their trash, too.
[1:40:50]
The people of St. Angelo managed to get
[1:40:53]
the council to come to those senses on
[1:40:55]
those two projects, and now we're facing
[1:40:57]
data centers. Can we envision something
[1:41:00]
that would actually protect our water
[1:41:02]
supply with all of these lands that the
[1:41:05]
city owns? Other Texas cities have
[1:41:08]
invested hundreds of millions of dollars
[1:41:10]
raised by either bonds or passed by the
[1:41:12]
people or voterapproved 1/8 cent sales
[1:41:15]
tax to protect hundreds of thousands of
[1:41:18]
acres of land in their watersheds.
[1:41:22]
This city already owns thousands of
[1:41:24]
acres of land in our watershed. It's
[1:41:27]
time you start focusing on protecting
[1:41:29]
that and not just exploiting it. And
[1:41:32]
until you start rehabilitating that
[1:41:34]
land, you do not demonstrate any
[1:41:39]
semblance of having
[1:41:42]
stewardship and we can't trust you.
[1:41:45]
>> Please wrap up your comments.
[1:41:46]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:41:49]
[applause]
[1:41:55]
» [applause]
[1:41:58]
» Jaton Geese.
[1:42:06]
[applause]
[1:42:07]
Hi, Jaton Gizy, District 5. Um, first I
[1:42:12]
didn't I saw that we weren't going to do
[1:42:14]
a cryp crypto mining, but it wasn't
[1:42:16]
defined if we would be AI processing
[1:42:18]
versus just data storage. I understand
[1:42:21]
the resources are demands are different
[1:42:23]
on that. Um first, why do we want these
[1:42:27]
data centers here? Do we have plenty of
[1:42:29]
resources here? No, not that.
[1:42:33]
Uh what guarantees do we have that their
[1:42:36]
water and electric bills will not
[1:42:38]
increase like we've seen all across the
[1:42:39]
nation? Will this be how is this going
[1:42:42]
to be the exception to the rule?
[1:42:46]
Is it going to bring a significant
[1:42:48]
number of permanent jobs? I don't know
[1:42:51]
if it's worth the resources that we have
[1:42:54]
that we're exchanging for those. Are we
[1:42:56]
equipped to handle the pollution?
[1:42:58]
There's no wastewater treatment around
[1:42:59]
to treat the chemicals. And I still
[1:43:02]
haven't seen any kind of study on the
[1:43:03]
fine particulate matter that would be
[1:43:05]
produced. Do we have adequate housing or
[1:43:07]
even a police force that's available? We
[1:43:09]
know the answer to that one, too. There
[1:43:11]
are so many unknowns when it comes to
[1:43:13]
long-term health risk and resource risk.
[1:43:16]
It has been decided, it hasn't even been
[1:43:18]
decided on the federal level who would
[1:43:20]
be legally liable if there is harm
[1:43:22]
caused by data centers, construction of
[1:43:24]
or long-term environmental effects. I'm
[1:43:26]
afraid that even if it gets decided,
[1:43:29]
where will there actually be a company
[1:43:31]
to be held liable between all the LLC's
[1:43:33]
and foreignowned companies? I can't
[1:43:35]
imagine tracking any of them down if
[1:43:38]
there's a pollution leak or when it
[1:43:39]
comes out how harmful these things are
[1:43:40]
to humans and animals. All of those are
[1:43:43]
good reasons not to build a data center,
[1:43:45]
but I feel like it goes so much deeper.
[1:43:47]
This is the equivalent of building our
[1:43:48]
own prison cells, monitoring, flock
[1:43:51]
cameras, social score, restrictive
[1:43:53]
travel. Please don't pretend that that's
[1:43:56]
not where this is leading. And I'm
[1:43:57]
pretty sure no one wants that. I know
[1:44:00]
investments have been made, but the city
[1:44:02]
council is supposed to represent its
[1:44:04]
constituents, not themselves, and not
[1:44:07]
some company from out of town. Why is
[1:44:09]
the city council making decisions based
[1:44:10]
on opinions for why is it not making on
[1:44:14]
not making decisions voiced here today
[1:44:17]
and over the months? We vote on school
[1:44:21]
bonds because it it's an expense to us.
[1:44:24]
this is going to be an expense to us
[1:44:26]
whether it's through illatilities
[1:44:29]
or other um if this is good for us try
[1:44:34]
proving it to us and putting it to a
[1:44:35]
vote for the public. Thank you,
[1:44:39]
[applause]
[1:44:47]
» Steve Elenius.
[1:44:51]
[applause]
[1:44:55]
Steve Elenius, president CEO of the San
[1:44:57]
Angela Chamber of Commerce, 418 West
[1:44:59]
Avenue B. When we talk about the data
[1:45:02]
centers, one of the most immediate and
[1:45:04]
tangible impacts that it can have is on
[1:45:06]
our hotel occupancy tax rate or the hot
[1:45:08]
tax revenue. During construction phase,
[1:45:11]
which will last anywhere between 36 and
[1:45:13]
60 months, you're going to bring
[1:45:14]
hundreds of workers to this community,
[1:45:17]
contractors, and specialized crews that
[1:45:19]
will be staying in our hotels and
[1:45:22]
pumping money into our local economy.
[1:45:25]
But it doesn't stop during the
[1:45:27]
construction phase. Once the data center
[1:45:29]
is built, there'll be technicians, uh,
[1:45:32]
corporate visitors, and folks coming to
[1:45:34]
this community because of the data
[1:45:36]
center. Now, here's where it becomes
[1:45:38]
transformational. The increased hotel
[1:45:41]
tax revenue coming in the community is
[1:45:43]
going to allow us to have the resources
[1:45:45]
to promote this community more, to bring
[1:45:48]
more attractions and more events to St.
[1:45:50]
Angelo. The visitors that stay overnight
[1:45:53]
means more, more revenue, and more
[1:45:55]
visibility for our community. And then
[1:45:58]
finally over the 3 to five year window
[1:46:01]
or period of time with a steady increase
[1:46:04]
in hotel occupancy, it's going to create
[1:46:07]
an opportunity for more hotel
[1:46:09]
development in our community, thus
[1:46:11]
increasing more revenue for the
[1:46:12]
community and giving us more resources
[1:46:15]
to market the community. So I'm here to
[1:46:17]
say I'm in support of it. I appreciate
[1:46:19]
mayor and city councils for bringing
[1:46:21]
this together and giving us a chance to
[1:46:23]
hear uh present the thoughts and what's
[1:46:25]
involved with it. and I think you're
[1:46:27]
doing an outstanding job. Thank you,
[1:46:29]
[applause]
[1:46:36]
» Gabe Msaka.
[1:46:47]
» Good evening, mayor, council, uh,
[1:46:49]
citizens of St. Angelo. My name is Gabe
[1:46:52]
Manaka and I live in single member
[1:46:55]
district 6. I want to begin by
[1:46:58]
acknowledging that citizens who come
[1:47:00]
here with concerns deserve to be heard.
[1:47:03]
I said this back in January during the I
[1:47:05]
think it was the January 13th meeting
[1:47:08]
and I believe all of your voices have
[1:47:10]
been heard many times. Voices in support
[1:47:13]
of the of this opportunity deserve to be
[1:47:15]
heard as well.
[1:47:17]
And I believe that
[1:47:20]
we may just be the silent majority,
[1:47:22]
those of us who are in favor of this
[1:47:24]
data center. And that is why I have
[1:47:26]
returned tonight in support of data
[1:47:28]
center development in St. Angelo.
[1:47:32]
I believe it is important that we
[1:47:34]
separate
[1:47:36]
legitimate questions
[1:47:38]
from broad assumptions. Not every
[1:47:41]
proposal, not every company and not
[1:47:44]
every project belongs in the same
[1:47:46]
category because of one meeting, one
[1:47:50]
rumor or one difficult interaction.
[1:47:54]
That is exactly why due diligence
[1:47:56]
exists.
[1:47:58]
I believe
[1:48:00]
that due diligence is already occurring
[1:48:04]
with the Skybox Box project. I've seen
[1:48:07]
it happen. I've se I've seen it being
[1:48:08]
talked about and it's the the same facts
[1:48:12]
that I heard a year ago are being
[1:48:15]
repeated and they're being very
[1:48:16]
consistent from the authorities who are
[1:48:19]
doing and put this together both the
[1:48:21]
city as well as Skybox.
[1:48:24]
There are many people involved in
[1:48:26]
getting this right which includes the
[1:48:29]
council of city staff, utilities,
[1:48:31]
engineers, community stakeholders, us
[1:48:34]
citizens. Collectively, our job is to
[1:48:36]
examine the facts. Infrastructure,
[1:48:39]
water, power, economic value, and
[1:48:41]
whether project a project fits in Angelo
[1:48:44]
long term. That process should be
[1:48:46]
careful and transparent. And I believe
[1:48:48]
it is, and I believe that you are being
[1:48:50]
transparent. We should also recognize
[1:48:53]
the opportunity before us. It's been
[1:48:55]
said several times this evening. A major
[1:48:58]
development project can create years of
[1:49:01]
construction work for local trades,
[1:49:03]
electric construction, different trades,
[1:49:07]
contractors, suppliers, and small
[1:49:09]
businesses. Beyond construction,
[1:49:12]
long-term operations can bring
[1:49:14]
technology or technical jobs,
[1:49:16]
high-paying jobs, facility management
[1:49:19]
roles, security maintenance, and
[1:49:21]
additional economic activity that
[1:49:23]
benefit our community long term. I have
[1:49:26]
heard questions about water, noise, and
[1:49:29]
infrastructure tonight and months
[1:49:31]
leading up to today.
[1:49:34]
Those are all fair questions, but when
[1:49:36]
answers are provided through study
[1:49:39]
agreements and oversight and through
[1:49:43]
events like this, they should be taken
[1:49:45]
seriously and not misconstrued or
[1:49:48]
reported differently in the community or
[1:49:50]
on social media.
[1:49:52]
Thank you.
[1:49:54]
>> [applause]
[1:49:59]
» Richard Summers.
[1:50:03]
[applause]
[1:50:18]
Got it.
[1:50:21]
Okay.
[1:50:26]
I was kind of stunned to discover that
[1:50:28]
Skybox uh let a lease on this land
[1:50:31]
instead of going ahead and purchasing
[1:50:33]
it, particularly since they've had an
[1:50:36]
option on the land since just before the
[1:50:38]
mayor was elected.
[1:50:40]
Um, that shows me something that there's
[1:50:44]
a little uncertainty.
[1:50:48]
In fact, St. Angelo is entering a period
[1:50:50]
of hyperscale development with high
[1:50:52]
uncertainty, increasing friction, as we
[1:50:56]
can tell, and growing public scrutiny
[1:50:59]
seated by the Skybotch Progs Act and
[1:51:02]
those to follow. That's not speculation.
[1:51:05]
It's happening right now.
[1:51:08]
It's going to cause things that we're
[1:51:10]
not prepared to deal with. One of the
[1:51:13]
biggest things in my mind beyond the
[1:51:16]
water, beyond our energy is we don't
[1:51:19]
have the housing even for 6 to 700 extra
[1:51:22]
people. We have housing problems right
[1:51:26]
now with the citizens that are living
[1:51:28]
here.
[1:51:29]
They need the intention, not a glamorous
[1:51:32]
project.
[1:51:35]
For example, people dealing with housing
[1:51:36]
instability for which this council has
[1:51:39]
already been imminently warned regarding
[1:51:42]
impacts of the data center come in
[1:51:45]
that housing arriving eventually doesn't
[1:51:48]
float.
[1:51:50]
Eventually doesn't house somebody
[1:51:53]
tonight.
[1:51:55]
It doesn't house somebody tonight nor a
[1:51:58]
year from tonight.
[1:52:01]
Eventually doesn't work.
[1:52:05]
for a lot of reasons and I'm not going
[1:52:07]
to stand up here and list them all
[1:52:08]
because you'll be able to read about
[1:52:10]
them all on public record. [snorts]
[1:52:13]
I am submitting tonight a formal ethics
[1:52:16]
complaint addressing issues of Kosa data
[1:52:20]
center transparency,
[1:52:22]
communication control and public access
[1:52:26]
involving most of the upper level staff
[1:52:29]
and elected officials of this city. That
[1:52:32]
complaint stems from what uncertainty
[1:52:35]
has already occurred with the data
[1:52:37]
center. I proposed a set of ordinances
[1:52:40]
earlier called the civic ordinances.
[1:52:43]
These were designed to keep that from
[1:52:45]
happening. I've received no response on
[1:52:48]
it, but that's all right.
[1:52:50]
By the way, because the city attorney
[1:52:52]
has referenced in these ethics
[1:52:53]
complaints, I've also requested an
[1:52:55]
independent review of them when they are
[1:52:58]
complete. Going to do that now.
[1:53:04]
I just want to remind you folks, council
[1:53:07]
and mayor, when your constituents
[1:53:10]
believe they're not being fully informed
[1:53:12]
and not being fairly heard, they will
[1:53:15]
not acquies.
[1:53:20]
They will act.
[1:53:23]
Thank you.
[1:53:25]
[cheering]
[1:53:32]
» [applause]
[1:53:36]
» Wade wall.
[1:53:41]
[applause]
[1:53:50]
» Hi, I'm Wade Wall. I've been a resident
[1:53:52]
of this city for nearly a decade at this
[1:53:56]
point.
[1:53:57]
There's a couple of things I would like
[1:53:58]
to address that were glossed over in the
[1:54:01]
uh first part of the presentation. Um
[1:54:05]
sorry, let me get my notes here.
[1:54:10]
Phyto remediation.
[1:54:13]
They uh they talked about that as a
[1:54:15]
possible way to offset the heavy metal
[1:54:19]
um heavy metals that will be leeching
[1:54:21]
into the ground. Phyto remediation has
[1:54:23]
never been used on scale.
[1:54:26]
at all.
[1:54:28]
So, you just want to use some untested
[1:54:31]
technology on us uh to um to to offset
[1:54:35]
the ec um the ecological
[1:54:40]
uh sorry, I'm not good at public
[1:54:41]
speaking. Uh the ecological uh
[1:54:44]
ramifications of this data center. So,
[1:54:47]
without any sort of long-term plan
[1:54:50]
studies on that, you just want to use
[1:54:52]
that. That's fine. Okay. I'm going to
[1:54:54]
bounce around to something else. You
[1:54:56]
said the tenant will be um you don't
[1:54:59]
have the exact name of who the tenant is
[1:55:02]
going to be. So, it could be Palunteer.
[1:55:04]
It could be, you know, any number of one
[1:55:06]
of these AI companies. Palanteer
[1:55:08]
recently made a manifesto that they
[1:55:11]
posted on Twitter talking about their what they want to use their um
[1:55:16]
resources for for the future
[1:55:19]
including AIdriven
[1:55:22]
weapons systems
[1:55:24]
that this data center could potentially
[1:55:26]
be used for. I would like to see you a
[1:55:31]
um
[1:55:33]
sorry I'm I'm a little frustrated right
[1:55:35]
now at the moment. Um, I would like to
[1:55:38]
see possibly
[1:55:39]
legislation or um statutes that would
[1:55:43]
disbar them from using this for that
[1:55:45]
because I would not like our tax dollars
[1:55:47]
being used for killing people. I think a
[1:55:52]
lot of people would like to believe
[1:55:53]
that. Um, sorry, let me get my notes
[1:55:56]
again.
[1:55:58]
not good at public speaking, so
[1:56:00]
sorry. Um, another thing, uh, closed
[1:56:05]
loop loop systems are not reliable at
[1:56:08]
this point. There have been multiple,
[1:56:11]
um, studies being shown and I I don't
[1:56:14]
have them right here. Again, phones at
[1:56:15]
1%. So, um, that that show that they
[1:56:19]
have not been fully uh, all the kinks
[1:56:22]
have been worked out of that system yet.
[1:56:24]
Um, also the ex um the wastewater what
[1:56:29]
are the consequences for violating the
[1:56:31]
wastewater statutes? If it's a fine,
[1:56:33]
then that's just a fee. You know, it's not anything that will uh
[1:56:40]
it's not anything that will be uh
[1:56:43]
something that can
[1:56:45]
Sorry again, not good at public
[1:56:46]
speaking. Um it's just I don't know why
[1:56:50]
we're doing this. Why are we doing this?
[1:56:53]
So,
[1:56:59]
[applause]
[1:57:03]
Elizabeth Morales.
[1:57:08]
[applause]
[1:57:20]
Hello, my name is Elizabeth Morales. I
[1:57:22]
live in district 4. I have been a
[1:57:24]
resident here for over 30 years. Um I'm
[1:57:28]
also not very good at public speaking,
[1:57:29]
but I am very frustrated with especially
[1:57:32]
how this meeting has been run this
[1:57:33]
evening. Um
[1:57:36]
essentially it was a sales pitch, all of
[1:57:38]
it. And snake oil lies over and over
[1:57:42]
again. Anybody with the internet knows
[1:57:45]
what the numbers are. Um,
[1:57:49]
with this I do also want to say that uh
[1:57:52]
with that 200 foot buffer that
[1:57:54]
everybody's so proud and in awe of these
[1:57:57]
centers radiate
[1:58:00]
up to 16 degrees of increased
[1:58:04]
temperatures up to six miles even more
[1:58:07]
depending on how the weather tends to be
[1:58:08]
that day.
[1:58:12]
Paul and its surrounding areas within
[1:58:14]
Harriet community is going to be up to
[1:58:18]
130 degrees what in the summertime most
[1:58:20]
of the year and we're just supposed to
[1:58:22]
deal with that? I don't think so. I'm
[1:58:25]
sorry. Um also with the higher cost of
[1:58:28]
living and
[1:58:30]
taxes going up, everything going up,
[1:58:32]
utilities going up because they will.
[1:58:36]
The higher cost of living is going to
[1:58:37]
bring more homelessness to all of us,
[1:58:40]
not just those who are kind of on the
[1:58:42]
fence now. A lot of us are going to be
[1:58:44]
dealing with bills, unpaid bills,
[1:58:48]
and worse. I mean, there's going to be a
[1:58:51]
lot more people out on the streets, and
[1:58:52]
when that happens, there's a lot more
[1:58:54]
crime. And our mayor has already stated
[1:58:57]
that the police force is
[1:59:01]
at a lack right now. And so I mean I
[1:59:04]
don't understand how this could be even
[1:59:06]
brought up for consideration. This is a
[1:59:08]
horrible idea. This city, this area of
[1:59:11]
Texas cannot support this type of data
[1:59:14]
center. This is not just a data center.
[1:59:15]
It's a mega data center. And it's not
[1:59:18]
just one building. It's going to be
[1:59:19]
eight, 12, 14 once that one building
[1:59:22]
first comes. Plenty more are already
[1:59:24]
planned behind it.
[1:59:27]
We already know of three coming in our
[1:59:28]
area that we're actively fighting right
[1:59:30]
now. We're going to be surrounded with
[1:59:32]
data centers, each one of them bringing
[1:59:35]
up to 16 degrees of increased
[1:59:37]
temperatures.
[1:59:40]
I mean, it just I can't wrap my brain
[1:59:42]
around it.
[1:59:45]
And I mean, that's all I've got. Thank
[1:59:49]
you,
[1:59:57]
[applause]
[1:59:59]
Antonio Martinez.
[2:00:07]
[applause]
[2:00:16]
Uh, good evening, council. I'm Antonio
[2:00:18]
Martinez, a resident of single member
[2:00:20]
district 4. Um, you've heard me speak a
[2:00:23]
few times. Uh, today I am also
[2:00:25]
unscripted. I'm just going to ask some
[2:00:28]
things that are should be obvious and
[2:00:31]
it's just purely a rhetorical question,
[2:00:33]
but um, how can we guarantee the ethics
[2:00:35]
of what data would be stored um, if this
[2:00:38]
is just leased out to another company?
[2:00:40]
because that's another shell of uh
[2:00:43]
deniability or accountability removed
[2:00:46]
from where it should be. So I mean you
[2:00:50]
have Grock owned by Elon Musk submitting
[2:00:54]
CSAM child sexual abuse material and uh
[2:00:57]
being shared on his website being
[2:00:59]
created by AI. We have women with deep
[2:01:02]
fakes being circulated. We don't know
[2:01:05]
where these where this data is stored.
[2:01:07]
We can't guarantee that. That's one
[2:01:09]
concern. So, excuse me. [clears throat]
[2:01:13]
And another concern is that we we talk
[2:01:15]
about bringing in people from outside to
[2:01:17]
work construction jobs and then they
[2:01:19]
fill up our hotels and it brings in all
[2:01:21]
this revenue, but it also brings in
[2:01:23]
profit and that profit is not
[2:01:24]
transferred to working people that have
[2:01:26]
to supply the the the services to these
[2:01:30]
workers, hotel workers, food service
[2:01:32]
workers. These people are out working
[2:01:34]
right now in McDonald's, Walmart, they
[2:01:36]
can't be here. All of us here have the
[2:01:38]
ability to be here. So this isn't the end all beall of who has something
[2:01:42]
to say. Those people are also going to
[2:01:44]
suffer from this too. And and all that
[2:01:46]
money coming in, they don't see the
[2:01:48]
benefits of that. They have to stay and work the same job that they have and hope that they get a magnanimous $1
[2:01:56]
raise after a year, which is 40 bucks a
[2:01:58]
week. Wow. You know, so I think there's
[2:02:01]
a lot of questions that need to be
[2:02:03]
really considered
[2:02:05]
such as that. uh these benefits may
[2:02:08]
benefit some people that can reinvest
[2:02:10]
that money into the community, but what
[2:02:12]
does that matter if none of us can spend
[2:02:14]
the money to live in the community? It's
[2:02:15]
ridiculous. Um
[2:02:19]
I think that if we continue in this
[2:02:22]
fashion where we just gaslight most of
[2:02:24]
the public into saying that this is good
[2:02:26]
for us without being completely
[2:02:28]
transparent through vetted questions and
[2:02:30]
whatnot, it it it it just erodess trust.
[2:02:33]
It's it's it's not acceptable to me. Um,
[2:02:36]
I wish I had more prepared data sets and
[2:02:39]
everything else, but um, normal people
[2:02:41]
are expected to become experts in the
[2:02:43]
face of corporations that have these
[2:02:45]
people to provide them talking points
[2:02:47]
because we're told that we're being
[2:02:48]
presented with facts today, but those
[2:02:50]
are talking points. These are these are
[2:02:52]
practiced, rehearsed responses. So, we still don't have the trust that that
[2:02:57]
this is going to go the way that we're
[2:02:59]
being told. And even if it does, it
[2:03:01]
still isn't provably beneficial to the
[2:03:04]
majority of us, the 100,000 some odd
[2:03:06]
people that live in the area. Uh, that's
[2:03:08]
all I have.
[2:03:11]
[applause]
[2:03:17]
Rebecca Ridge.
[2:03:22]
» Rebecca Ridge.
[2:03:27]
» [applause]
[2:03:34]
» Hi, I'm Rebecca Ridge and I live in
[2:03:36]
district 5. Um, [sighs and gasps]
[2:03:40]
good evening city council members.
[2:03:43]
I was born and raised here as was my
[2:03:45]
mother. My grandfather was the mayor in
[2:03:47]
the 50s. He brought water to St. Angelo.
[2:03:52]
He was responsible for building OC
[2:03:55]
Fiser. It used to be called the Bryant
[2:03:57]
Reservoir.
[2:03:59]
>> I'm sorry. Thanks.
[2:04:02]
Okay. Water is life.
[2:04:06]
Without it, nothing else matters.
[2:04:09]
Data centers threaten that life. They
[2:04:12]
consume enormous amounts of water and
[2:04:14]
energy. If our water is gone or
[2:04:17]
contaminated, no project, no revenue can
[2:04:20]
save us.
[2:04:22]
We cannot trade our future for
[2:04:24]
short-term gains. Do not be blinded by
[2:04:27]
crazy promises of money. State tax
[2:04:30]
abatements for these centers shift the
[2:04:32]
burden to us. The promised revenue means
[2:04:35]
nothing if water is gone or our quality
[2:04:38]
of life is negatively impacted. City
[2:04:41]
services cannot help a community without
[2:04:44]
water. Clean water comes first, always.
[2:04:49]
Just yesterday, there was a fatality in
[2:04:51]
Abalene from one of the data center
[2:04:53]
construction gravel trucks.
[2:04:56]
And another example, Abalene hired 1,200
[2:04:59]
workers. Guess how many were local? 34.
[2:05:04]
St. Angelo deserves smarter solutions.
[2:05:08]
We have bright, creative people. We need
[2:05:10]
to come together to find solutions to
[2:05:13]
help the city with funding needs while
[2:05:15]
protecting our resources.
[2:05:18]
for the ordinance. The proposed setbacks
[2:05:20]
are too small. 200 feet in residential
[2:05:23]
areas is
[2:05:25]
not enough. It's tight. 50 feet in the
[2:05:28]
county is worse. Our neighborhoods will
[2:05:30]
bear the risk. Worst case, when things
[2:05:33]
go south, owners behind shell
[2:05:36]
corporations will walk away and leave us
[2:05:38]
with no recompense, no recompense via
[2:05:42]
bankruptcies. Pause any action on data
[2:05:45]
centers for a year. Do not rush us. Let
[2:05:48]
us find options. Make this ordinance
[2:05:50]
stronger. Protect our water. Protect our
[2:05:53]
future. Mr. Mayor, please remember your
[2:05:57]
job is to represent the people, not the
[2:06:00]
data centers. City
[2:06:05]
[applause]
[2:06:09]
city council members should not sign
[2:06:11]
non-disclosure agreements. You represent
[2:06:15]
us.
[2:06:17]
>> [applause]
[2:06:18]
>> Stop selling our city down the river. I
[2:06:21]
s aside I sincerely believe this is
[2:06:24]
going to be used for AI data warfare. I
[2:06:27]
mean for for warfare period. That's the
[2:06:30]
popular topic now. That's why there's
[2:06:32]
such a press.
[2:06:35]
I think it's
[2:06:37]
done. Thanks.
[2:06:41]
[applause]
[2:06:48]
Glenda Bacon.
[2:06:52]
[applause]
[2:07:03]
I'm Glenda Bacon and I live out in the
[2:07:05]
county. I don't live in the city. Uh but
[2:07:08]
I did attend the Dove Creek and uh my
[2:07:11]
heart is for the county because I have
[2:07:14]
people out there with no water having it
[2:07:17]
hauled in and everything like that.
[2:07:19]
Water's always been a problem, not just
[2:07:22]
in the county, but in the S St. Angelo
[2:07:24]
area. You see that because you're only
[2:07:27]
limited to two two days to water and and
[2:07:31]
everything. So, it's always been a
[2:07:33]
concern. It's a concern. I grew up in
[2:07:35]
Andrews, Texas, West Texas. I think
[2:07:38]
Andrews could do it because they have a
[2:07:40]
lot of water or they used to have a lot
[2:07:43]
of water. But I want to thank Skybox.
[2:07:47]
Thank you for your presentation because
[2:07:49]
the presentation out at Dove Creek the
[2:07:52]
other night, they did not know their
[2:07:54]
stuff at all. At all. So, it was a
[2:07:59]
disaster out there. Thank you, city
[2:08:01]
council. Yes, I am married to an elected
[2:08:05]
official and I understand where you come
[2:08:07]
from. You have hard decisions to make
[2:08:10]
and everything else like that. Um, I'm
[2:08:13]
just sharing my heart because I was in
[2:08:15]
Abene. It's a disaster over there. It's
[2:08:18]
a total disaster. Our son lives over
[2:08:20]
there. People are suffering over there
[2:08:23]
because of the data center. I went out
[2:08:26]
to the data center. It is disaster. The
[2:08:29]
lady was talking about the trucks, the
[2:08:31]
fatalities and stuff like that. I just
[2:08:34]
would like to see our city council
[2:08:38]
um your city council because I don't
[2:08:41]
vote for these people but I know these
[2:08:42]
people and I respect every one of you
[2:08:45]
because I know you on a personal basis.
[2:08:48]
But I would like for you to just to take
[2:08:51]
a step back, consider um everything um
[2:08:56]
that you've heard here tonight. There's
[2:08:58]
a lot of pros, there's a lot of cons.
[2:09:02]
I'm I'm afraid you may not be hearing a
[2:09:05]
lot of the cons, but if people don't
[2:09:09]
realize, they put a halt on 50% of these
[2:09:13]
data centers right now. I don't know if
[2:09:15]
y'all heard that, but 50% of the data
[2:09:18]
centers, which would probably include
[2:09:21]
St. Angelo, there's a 50% because they
[2:09:23]
cannot get parts. Another thing,
[2:09:28]
our governor
[2:09:31]
has taken a lot of money,
[2:09:33]
500,000 from black something. Skybox
[2:09:37]
probably knows it, but if you go into
[2:09:39]
our Governor Abbott and look at his
[2:09:42]
financials and all the money he has
[2:09:45]
taken from data centers, it's pathetic.
[2:09:49]
I'm sorry.
[2:09:50]
Let's
[2:09:52]
[applause]
[2:09:54]
we got we all of the cities are being
[2:09:59]
buffaloed by Governor Abbott. And I'm
[2:10:02]
sorry, but that's what's happened.
[2:10:04]
There's 444
[2:10:06]
data centers already in the state of
[2:10:10]
Texas. We don't need anymore.
[2:10:16]
[applause]
[2:10:20]
» [applause]
[2:10:24]
» Nancy Treadwell.
[2:10:28]
[applause]
[2:10:37]
Good evening. I'm Nancy Treadwell. I'm
[2:10:39]
in District 6. Remember the chameleon?
[2:10:42]
[clears throat]
[2:10:42]
He was a well-b bred chameleon and
[2:10:45]
nothing could be brought against his
[2:10:46]
record. As a chameleon, he had done the
[2:10:49]
things he should have done and left
[2:10:51]
undone the things that should have been
[2:10:52]
left undone. He was a first class
[2:10:55]
unimpeachable chameleon and nobody had
[2:10:58]
anything on him. But he came to a scotch
[2:11:01]
plaid and tried to cross it. In order to
[2:11:05]
cross it, he had to imitate imitate six
[2:11:08]
different yarn colors. first one and
[2:11:10]
then another and back to the first or
[2:11:12]
second. He was a brave chameleon and
[2:11:14]
died at the crossroads true to his
[2:11:17]
chameleon instincts.
[2:11:20]
What kind of liar are you? People lie
[2:11:22]
because they don't remember clearly what
[2:11:25]
they saw. People lie because they can't
[2:11:27]
help making a story better than it was
[2:11:29]
the way it happened. People tell white
[2:11:32]
lies so as to be decent to others.
[2:11:35]
People lie in a pinch, hating to do it,
[2:11:38]
but lying on because it might be worse.
[2:11:40]
And people lie just to be liars for a
[2:11:43]
crooked personal gain. What sort of a
[2:11:46]
liar are you? Which of these liars are
[2:11:49]
you? This was written by Carl Sandberg
[2:11:52]
in the people yes 1936.
[2:11:57]
Which brings me to my questions. The
[2:11:59]
zoning you're talking about isn't in
[2:12:02]
place yet. But it sounds as if you
[2:12:04]
already have a deal going. In West
[2:12:07]
Texas, a person's word is his bond
[2:12:11]
and verbal contracts count. So how
[2:12:15]
binding is what you have said tonight?
[2:12:18]
Is it legally binding?
[2:12:20]
In addition, this is going the funds are
[2:12:22]
going into the very best ISD. Correct.
[2:12:26]
SISD will get no funds from the center.
[2:12:28]
So why are you saying it will?
[2:12:31]
And why have you had us sitting back
[2:12:32]
here listening to a back and forth
[2:12:35]
conversation
[2:12:37]
with no facts and not inviting us to
[2:12:39]
join? Thank you.
[2:12:44]
[applause]
[2:12:51]
» [applause]
[2:12:52]
>> Riley Rodriguez.
[2:12:57]
[applause]
[2:13:05]
» How y'all doing? My name is Riley
[2:13:06]
Rodriguez. I'm actually from Abalene. I
[2:13:09]
am uh one of the data centers are what
[2:13:12]
actually got me to run for a political
[2:13:14]
office. And I've been going around the
[2:13:15]
counties trying to let everybody know
[2:13:17]
exactly what you're going to get to see.
[2:13:20]
Not 6 months down the road, not a couple
[2:13:23]
speculation reports, not in six years,
[2:13:27]
when they get here.
[2:13:29]
I could give you a big speech, but I'm
[2:13:31]
just going to tell you a small story.
[2:13:33]
This Saturday, we had a woman from the
[2:13:34]
BCFS come in and speak to us about some
[2:13:37]
of the issues we're facing in our
[2:13:38]
district. She works with families. She
[2:13:40]
works with uh people who have struggled
[2:13:43]
with drug addiction, lost their kids.
[2:13:45]
She helps them get back on their feet,
[2:13:46]
get their lives back right. Okay. That
[2:13:49]
morning, she was late because she had to
[2:13:52]
handle a case in which a single mother
[2:13:55]
who is trying to recover from drug
[2:13:56]
addiction needed to get a hotel room
[2:13:59]
because her rent went up and if she
[2:14:01]
didn't pay it, she was going to be
[2:14:03]
evicted.
[2:14:05]
We have families showing up at our
[2:14:07]
family helping Hamilton centers that
[2:14:09]
haven't been there in decades.
[2:14:12]
It's it's not it's not a a an abstract
[2:14:16]
thought. It's not something that might
[2:14:18]
happen. Oh, maybe it'll happen. It this
[2:14:20]
is what we are seeing in our town. We
[2:14:23]
have 134,000 people. We dwarf
[2:14:26]
St. Angelo when it comes to that. And we
[2:14:28]
don't have the housing. We don't have
[2:14:31]
the housing. Go look on Zillow right
[2:14:33]
now. You can find a wonderful
[2:14:35]
one-bedroom apartment on at the back of
[2:14:36]
somebody's house for a thousand bucks a
[2:14:38]
month. And you better believe that them
[2:14:40]
bills ain't going to be paid as part of
[2:14:42]
that. That's what's happening in our
[2:14:44]
district. Another thing we're seeing,
[2:14:46]
people are losing their houses. When
[2:14:48]
people get desperate, they start making
[2:14:50]
decisions they otherwise wouldn't make.
[2:14:52]
I volunteer and I help out with beyond
[2:14:54]
trafficking. Guess what we're seeing?
[2:14:57]
More trafficking, sex trafficking, labor
[2:15:00]
trafficking. more of it has come to our
[2:15:03]
city and it is because people are
[2:15:04]
getting kicked out of their houses and
[2:15:06]
having to live on the street. There are
[2:15:08]
much more sinister dark things that are
[2:15:12]
a foot than even water and energy. Guys,
[2:15:15]
I'm I'm I'm telling you right now, I've
[2:15:17]
been fighting it for two years. Our city
[2:15:19]
council cut deals at 8:00 in the morning
[2:15:21]
with two hours notice to the community
[2:15:23]
and all signed NDAs. You can't get a
[2:15:26]
word out of them other than this is
[2:15:28]
going to be great for us.
[2:15:30]
Let me tell you another thing. They've cut that deal in Sweetwater. One
[2:15:34]
of the fellows brought it up a minute
[2:15:35]
ago. That's a great point, man. We're
[2:15:37]
getting ate up with workers right now.
[2:15:40]
We're going to get ate up with workers
[2:15:41]
from Sweetwater. We're getting ate up
[2:15:42]
with workers from Haskell. We're going
[2:15:43]
to get ate up with workers from Albany.
[2:15:45]
And guess what? When we run out of hotel
[2:15:47]
rooms, I worked in the oil field. I'll
[2:15:50]
drive three hours to make some money.
[2:15:54]
So, it doesn't stop. Okay. The scale
[2:15:57]
might be fine. Hey, whatever.
[2:16:00]
It's it it is it is widespread and it is
[2:16:03]
a a 90minute drive. Think about it.
[2:16:07]
[applause]
[2:16:18]
Vernon Hegler
[2:16:23]
[applause]
[2:16:32]
I'm Bern Haggler. I live off of
[2:16:34]
Armstrong.
[2:16:37]
Heather heard my I have a proposal. I
[2:16:41]
think the city should send a team of at
[2:16:43]
least three people to go to a facility
[2:16:46]
that operates as the one they've
[2:16:48]
described to verify all the physical
[2:16:50]
operation.
[2:16:52]
I propose a panel of at least three
[2:16:54]
people. I would think probably somebody
[2:16:56]
from the water department who has
[2:16:58]
hands-on experience and knows all the
[2:17:00]
paperwork involved that a facility like
[2:17:04]
this would have to turn into the EPA.
[2:17:08]
Then an engineer who doesn't have any
[2:17:10]
ties really to the any of the
[2:17:12]
governments to observe and report on
[2:17:16]
things. And then a Joe Blow who has
[2:17:19]
industrial experience that knows about
[2:17:21]
cooling towers and and this sort of
[2:17:24]
thing who can go in is not going to be
[2:17:26]
blown away by something they haven't
[2:17:28]
seen who can verify you know what the
[2:17:31]
fellow reading of the water reports and
[2:17:32]
so forth.
[2:17:34]
Uh I understood the gentleman in the
[2:17:36]
dark coat talking about the u the
[2:17:41]
different sort of uh heat exchangers and
[2:17:44]
so forth. understood what he was talking
[2:17:46]
about. I think there's been so much
[2:17:49]
information put out there that nobody
[2:17:52]
knows what to believe to a large extent.
[2:17:54]
And I think we sent a panel got some
[2:17:57]
real information from people's neighbors
[2:18:00]
could come back and say, "Well, we went
[2:18:01]
and saw as far as the physical
[2:18:03]
parameters, what they're talking about
[2:18:05]
is on the level. It's not going to
[2:18:07]
affect our water future and so forth."
[2:18:10]
I've lived here for over 40 years. I
[2:18:13]
drive downtown and I see the old signs
[2:18:16]
from when this was the wool capital of
[2:18:19]
the world. Now we just barely have
[2:18:21]
enough to talk about. Uh
[2:18:25]
I've seen our one various government or
[2:18:29]
another. This city has gotten short
[2:18:31]
changed. Uh
[2:18:34]
do not envy y'all people have to try to
[2:18:36]
deal with making this decision. It's a
[2:18:38]
big decision, but
[2:18:41]
somehow I've I've seen us turn away
[2:18:44]
projects that would have been good for
[2:18:45]
the city. And uh I think this should be
[2:18:51]
some expert to try to get
[2:18:54]
clear away all the smog and get down to
[2:18:56]
some sort of real information that
[2:18:59]
everybody could the council could make a
[2:19:02]
judgment on and that the citizens could
[2:19:04]
feel about what happens. Thank you.
[2:19:08]
>> [applause]
[2:19:13]
» Shelby Storm.
[2:19:23]
[applause]
[2:19:29]
My name is Shelby Sturm. I am a county
[2:19:33]
resident. I own a property in um St.
[2:19:38]
Angelo. I apologize. I'm not familiar
[2:19:40]
with what district number that is. I'm
[2:19:43]
here today as a farm wife raising a
[2:19:46]
fourth generation farmer which is
[2:19:48]
probably the youngest citizen of St.
[2:19:51]
Angelo in this room and I'm proud that
[2:19:53]
he is taking part of this process.
[2:19:57]
We all know that data centers require an
[2:19:59]
immense amount of water for cooling.
[2:20:03]
Water tables will lower regardless of
[2:20:06]
what is promised to us. That will affect
[2:20:10]
irrigation of crops and strain local
[2:20:12]
aquifers. Crops and citizens will also
[2:20:16]
be impacted by what are called heat
[2:20:19]
islands.
[2:20:22]
We are concerned about chemical
[2:20:24]
contamination from the cooling systems.
[2:20:27]
We want concrete asurances, regulations,
[2:20:31]
and independent regular testing. Not
[2:20:34]
corporate talking heads, not hopes and
[2:20:38]
prayers, not passing the buck to the
[2:20:40]
next regulatory authority. We have
[2:20:44]
already had breaches of our so-called
[2:20:46]
prohibited wastewater contaminants by
[2:20:49]
Ethicon. We do not want to experience
[2:20:52]
further exposures.
[2:20:54]
Your so-called self- testing and
[2:20:56]
reporting is what I think unacceptable.
[2:21:01]
If the water is so similar to what
[2:21:04]
you're pulling in is what you're putting
[2:21:06]
back into our sewer and wastewater
[2:21:08]
systems, then why don't you keep reusing
[2:21:11]
it?
[2:21:13]
We have already seen [applause]
[2:21:17]
We've already seen realtime reports of
[2:21:20]
the impacts caused by high power demands
[2:21:23]
and infrastructure of AI data centers
[2:21:26]
driving up electricity rates of
[2:21:27]
surrounding residents and farmers. We
[2:21:30]
oppose new power lines constructed
[2:21:33]
through any farmland.
[2:21:35]
What you intend to bring to our doorstep
[2:21:38]
is noise and light pollution from
[2:21:41]
warehouse style facilities. Construction
[2:21:44]
and traffic influx pushed down the
[2:21:46]
throats of a quiet rural area. We have
[2:21:49]
seen dangerous construction traffic
[2:21:52]
already from the solar farm out in Eola.
[2:21:55]
My daughter rides the school bus with
[2:21:59]
some of these semis and other big
[2:22:02]
vehicles and have had reports of near
[2:22:06]
traffic accidents. We refuse to accept
[2:22:09]
any proposal tied to byright approval.
[2:22:12]
It is a dangerous precedent to set
[2:22:14]
giving a cart launch approval for future
[2:22:17]
expansion. We furthermore demand no tax
[2:22:20]
abatement and agreements ever.
[2:22:23]
Corporations must pay their fair share.
[2:22:26]
I've had enough of corporate talk in my
[2:22:28]
life to call bull when I hear it. Let me
[2:22:32]
say, keep your greedy and gluttonous AI
[2:22:36]
pods off our San Angelo.
[2:22:40]
[cheering]
[2:22:42]
[applause]
[2:22:50]
David Duso
[2:23:02]
Elena Luna
[2:23:08]
[applause]
[2:23:15]
Good evening, mayor, council members,
[2:23:16]
and St. Angela residents. My name is
[2:23:18]
Elena, resident of district 2, and I am
[2:23:21]
here tonight to stand before you to
[2:23:22]
respectfully ask for you to reconsider
[2:23:24]
the proposed data center development
[2:23:26]
currently under your consideration. You
[2:23:29]
were not elected to simply approve
[2:23:30]
development. You were elected to protect
[2:23:32]
the city, resources, people, and its
[2:23:34]
future. And that is exactly what is at
[2:23:36]
stake here. Let's speak plainly for a
[2:23:38]
moment. This project asks St. Angelo to
[2:23:40]
trade away its water, power, land, and
[2:23:42]
finite local resources for the benefit
[2:23:44]
of an industry that will give us very
[2:23:46]
little back. Data centers consume
[2:23:48]
enormous amounts of electricity, water,
[2:23:51]
strain infrastructure, and in return
[2:23:52]
produce minimal permanent jobs and
[2:23:54]
limited long-term investment. And here,
[2:23:57]
that reality matters more. St. Angelo
[2:23:59]
was built on land, agriculture, and our
[2:24:01]
economy depends on ranchers, farmers,
[2:24:03]
and the small businesses that support
[2:24:04]
them. These are not just temporary
[2:24:06]
industries. They are generational and
[2:24:08]
they all depend on one thing. Reliable
[2:24:10]
access to water. Every gallon used to
[2:24:13]
cool a data center is a gallon that
[2:24:14]
cannot sustain livestock, irrigate crops
[2:24:17]
or support the backbone of this
[2:24:18]
community. This is not just a
[2:24:20]
development decision. It is a resource
[2:24:22]
allocation decision. So we have to ask
[2:24:24]
who are we prioritizing? local producers
[2:24:27]
who sustain our economy and identity or
[2:24:29]
an outside industry that brings high
[2:24:30]
demand and low long term in low
[2:24:32]
long-term return because once those
[2:24:34]
resources are committed, you cannot
[2:24:36]
easily take them back. The precedent you
[2:24:38]
set here will determine who thrives in
[2:24:39]
St. Angelo and who gets pushed out. And
[2:24:42]
too often these projects come with tax
[2:24:43]
uh abatements and subsidies, meaning the
[2:24:45]
people of the city are being asked to
[2:24:46]
subsidize their own displacement. That
[2:24:49]
is not an e economic development. That
[2:24:51]
is a a failure of stewardship. This
[2:24:53]
council has a duty to think long term.
[2:24:55]
What happens during drought? What
[2:24:56]
happens when agriculture is forced to
[2:24:58]
compete with industrial scale
[2:24:59]
consumption? And what happens when the
[2:25:01]
industries that built this region can no
[2:25:03]
longer afford to operate here? Our
[2:25:04]
founders warned us about this. Thomas
[2:25:06]
Jefferson believed the strength of the
[2:25:08]
nation came from land-based communities
[2:25:09]
rooted in independence and
[2:25:11]
sustainability, not dependence on
[2:25:13]
outside interests. James Madison warned
[2:25:15]
of power powerful factions and
[2:25:16]
federalist hint pursuing their own gain
[2:25:18]
at the expense of the public good. And
[2:25:20]
George Washington cautioned against the
[2:25:21]
influences that do not share the
[2:25:23]
long-term fate of the people. This
[2:25:24]
warning applies here. A corporation can
[2:25:26]
leave when conditions change. Our
[2:25:28]
farmers, ranchers, and families cannot.
[2:25:30]
So the question is not whether this
[2:25:31]
project is modern. The question is
[2:25:33]
whether it is loyal to this community.
[2:25:35]
And it is loyal to our is it loyal to
[2:25:37]
our agricultural backbone. Is it loyal
[2:25:39]
to responsibility to responsible water
[2:25:40]
use in a region where water is already
[2:25:42]
scarce? Or is it loyal to the people who
[2:25:44]
live here? Not just today, but decades
[2:25:46]
from now. If the answer is no, then your
[2:25:48]
responsibility is clear. St. Angelo is
[2:25:50]
not for sale at the cost of its own
[2:25:51]
sustainability. Our water is not
[2:25:53]
expandable, and our agricultural
[2:25:54]
foundation is not something to be traded
[2:25:56]
away for short-term promises. I urge
[2:25:58]
you, stand with this community, protect
[2:26:00]
our resources, and reject this proposal.
[2:26:02]
Thank you. [cheering]
[2:26:06]
[applause]
[2:26:16]
Jamal Shimpert.
[2:26:21]
[applause]
[2:26:33]
» Uh Jamal Shumpert, SMD3. I'm not going
[2:26:36]
to speak a lot about data centers, but
[2:26:38]
it kind of reminds me of when I was
[2:26:41]
studying in school about how they ran
[2:26:43]
highways through certain communities.
[2:26:45]
Now they're they're building data
[2:26:47]
centers in communities like this. Uh it
[2:26:52]
gives me like a bad feeling that we
[2:26:55]
don't have a chance unless we do
[2:26:58]
something about it like recall some
[2:27:00]
people or maybe put in a petition to
[2:27:03]
take some of that sales tax money away
[2:27:04]
out of the ballot uh to address some of
[2:27:07]
these harms they're not willing to
[2:27:09]
address as a city council. Uh, but I'm
[2:27:12]
going to move forward because what I
[2:27:14]
came here for is to advocate for the
[2:27:16]
children, the youth. They they've been
[2:27:19]
killing themselves quite often, hurting
[2:27:21]
themselves in St. Angelo, way more than
[2:27:24]
what I'm used to here. Uh, I would like
[2:27:26]
for the city council, since Tom talked
[2:27:28]
about giving them a building for use to
[2:27:31]
put some money towards paying for these people, I mean, these children
[2:27:35]
whose parents can't afford for them to
[2:27:37]
go to these camps in the summer. So they
[2:27:39]
go to these camps in the summer when
[2:27:40]
they're not at school instead of
[2:27:42]
thinking of bad ways to harm the
[2:27:44]
community. They're going to be at your
[2:27:46]
houses at night or during the day uh
[2:27:49]
causing problems, making our police
[2:27:52]
having to answer to these petty things
[2:27:54]
instead of actually addressing real
[2:27:56]
issues that city have. Um and another
[2:27:59]
thing I came up here was to thank Mr.
[2:28:02]
Keley for talking about Carver and
[2:28:05]
wanting to save Carver. That is that is
[2:28:07]
huge. Uh, believe it or not, quite a few
[2:28:12]
uh, black schools got burned just like
[2:28:14]
Mr. Dendles. So, I understand exactly
[2:28:16]
where Mr. Dendle's coming from. I
[2:28:18]
understand both sides of it. Uh, I I I'd
[2:28:21]
like for you to keep pushing that, Mr.
[2:28:23]
Keley. And, um, that that's really all I
[2:28:26]
had to say about the data centers, but I do have a somewhat of a solution, but
[2:28:31]
y'all going to have to ask me. Thank
[2:28:32]
you.
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» [applause]
[2:28:41]
» Edward Zbecki,
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Karen McGinness.
[2:28:58]
[applause]
[2:29:04]
Good evening. My name is Karen McGinness
[2:29:06]
and um I don't know what district I live
[2:29:09]
in. I just moved,
[2:29:12]
but I am born and raised in St. Angelo.
[2:29:17]
And Mike and Chris, I want to tell you
[2:29:20]
that um I'm sorry that your industry has
[2:29:24]
such a poor track record and such a
[2:29:27]
lousy reputation.
[2:29:29]
Um, you may be the one shining example,
[2:29:34]
the white knights within the industry,
[2:29:38]
but you've already told us that you're
[2:29:39]
going to build this and then you're
[2:29:41]
going to lease it to somebody. You don't
[2:29:43]
know who that somebody is, and neither
[2:29:45]
do we.
[2:29:47]
You've already told us that uh they'll
[2:29:50]
refresh the equipment every five to six
[2:29:54]
years, 3 to six years. So, where does
[2:29:56]
all that old equipment go?
[2:29:59]
I mean, it's not just going to
[2:30:01]
disappear.
[2:30:03]
I have a lot of questions
[2:30:06]
and very few answers.
[2:30:14]
I'm oldfashioned. I still write checks.
[2:30:19]
Yeah. On this move, I misplaced my
[2:30:21]
checks, but I found them.
[2:30:25]
I'm wondering if perhaps
[2:30:28]
it's time for us to stop just looking to
[2:30:32]
the end of our nose, our local
[2:30:36]
government, our state government, our
[2:30:39]
national government,
[2:30:41]
and start thinking not just what's best
[2:30:44]
for me, but what's best for my
[2:30:47]
grandchild
[2:30:49]
and more importantly, what about my
[2:30:51]
grandchild's
[2:30:53]
grandchildren?
[2:30:55]
If we could look seven generations down
[2:30:58]
the road,
[2:31:00]
I think we might be making different
[2:31:02]
kinds of decisions.
[2:31:06]
The bottom line is you can put lipstick
[2:31:08]
on a pig. You can wrap that pig in silk
[2:31:12]
and satin and you can even put diamond
[2:31:14]
studs in his ears,
[2:31:16]
but in the end, he's still a pig.
[2:31:22]
» [applause]
[2:31:31]
» Karen Best.
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[applause]
[2:31:42]
» Give me a second, Karen. Sorry. It's
[2:31:43]
>> okay.
[2:31:45]
>> All right.
[2:31:46]
>> I'm a better writer than a public
[2:31:48]
speaker, so forgive me. I heard
[2:31:50]
everybody say what they're going to say.
[2:31:51]
So, I'm just going to riff here on what
[2:31:53]
I saw tonight. Okay. First of all, thank
[2:31:55]
you to the city council members who are
[2:31:57]
present and staff and the members of
[2:31:59]
Skybox, the the two gentlemen who
[2:32:01]
addressed the group today on community.
[2:32:05]
Gentlemen, when you at Skybox talk about
[2:32:07]
community, you're talking about the big
[2:32:09]
five. You're not talking about any of
[2:32:10]
us. When you talk about the schools, I'm
[2:32:14]
sitting next to a school board member.
[2:32:16]
Y'all haven't approached SISD about
[2:32:18]
anything. The monies that are going to
[2:32:20]
very best will almost largely go back to
[2:32:24]
the state of Texas when they collect it.
[2:32:27]
It's not just the overage. Okay. But
[2:32:30]
what bothers me most isn't Skybox. You
[2:32:32]
guys are doing a business. I'm in
[2:32:34]
business for myself, too. I get it. And
[2:32:36]
that's fine. We're a commodity for you.
[2:32:38]
We are not your community.
[2:32:41]
We're wait. [applause] We're your
[2:32:44]
community.
[2:32:46]
You asked to put
[2:32:49]
your signs in our yards. You came to our
[2:32:53]
Republican women and Concho Valley
[2:32:55]
Republican women groups. When you have
[2:32:57]
Glenda Bacon standing up putting the
[2:32:59]
governor in a box, you know things are
[2:33:01]
bad. Okay. But you're our community and
[2:33:05]
the first we get to hear about Skybox
[2:33:07]
with Skybox is up here today as this is
[2:33:10]
upon us. Not at some we should have been
[2:33:12]
on the conversation in on the
[2:33:14]
conversation a year ago and on the
[2:33:16]
zoning changes to housing a year ago.
[2:33:20]
we should have been included.
[2:33:23]
But tonight, the best optic we have of
[2:33:26]
where this is at is that empty stage
[2:33:29]
right now where you should be sitting
[2:33:31]
answering our questions.
[2:33:35]
Not not huddled in a corner with skybox
[2:33:39]
saying we will not respond to any
[2:33:41]
questions other [snorts] than the
[2:33:43]
library meeting that Mr. Keely was brave
[2:33:46]
enough to call and citizens got to be as
[2:33:51]
open and vocal as they wanted to be. And
[2:33:53]
God bless you for that. That man spent
[2:33:56]
two hours in the street with me last
[2:33:58]
week talking about data centers.
[2:34:01]
That man has represented the city of St.
[2:34:04]
Angelo better than anyone else around
[2:34:06]
that table.
[2:34:08]
We deserve that kind of We deserve that
[2:34:11]
kind of openness. We deserve that kind
[2:34:15]
of opportunity.
[2:34:17]
I will lose
[2:34:19]
staff in my office when they can't pay
[2:34:22]
rent and I can't charge enough to
[2:34:25]
somebody to come in to raise their pay
[2:34:27]
to keep them because of the housing
[2:34:28]
issues that the gentleman from Abene
[2:34:30]
brought. That's not conjecture. That's
[2:34:33]
fact. Because I just had to raise her
[2:34:35]
salary to pay for rents. Now, today,
[2:34:40]
hers went up $300 a month because of
[2:34:42]
taxes and insurance. That's not a future
[2:34:45]
problem. That's a today problem. Thank
[2:34:47]
you.
[2:34:51]
[applause]
[2:35:02]
Michelle Daruso
[2:35:11]
And finally, Joe. Uh, Joe Hyde.
[2:35:14]
>> I signed up.
[2:35:17]
>> Oh, Amber, you did. I'm so sorry.
[2:35:20]
>> Uh, Amber Armanderas.
[2:35:26]
[applause]
[2:35:31]
» Good evening, council members and fellow
[2:35:33]
residents. My name is Amber Armandereas
[2:35:35]
and I live in district 6. I'm here to
[2:35:38]
implore you place a definite moratorum
[2:35:40]
on the construction of skybox data
[2:35:42]
centers in the San Angela city limits
[2:35:44]
properties and for you to encourage our
[2:35:46]
fellow neighbors in Tom Green County and
[2:35:48]
surrounding counties to vote against
[2:35:49]
these any such proposal. Yesterday
[2:35:51]
morning I spoke of box's closed loop
[2:35:53]
system and how their blowdown process
[2:35:54]
will dump its toxic sludge and dangerous
[2:35:57]
contaminants into our water sources. If
[2:35:59]
you missed it, please go have a listen.
[2:36:01]
Now I will explain the noise pollution.
[2:36:04]
Have any of you been to one of these
[2:36:05]
data centers and heard of what their low
[2:36:07]
hum sounds really is? I assure you it's
[2:36:10]
not a low hum at all. I have firsthand
[2:36:12]
knowledge of what these data center
[2:36:13]
sounds emit. During the time I live near
[2:36:16]
one of these data centers, I suff
[2:36:17]
suffered for from daily headaches and
[2:36:20]
extreme discom discomfort. And every
[2:36:22]
time I would fly back here for the
[2:36:24]
weekend, my headaches would clear up and
[2:36:26]
instantly fell at ease.
[2:36:29]
I was on all sorts of medication for
[2:36:30]
these chronic problems and couldn't
[2:36:32]
figure out why. After moving back here
[2:36:34]
officially, my chronic headaches no
[2:36:36]
longer exist. I encourage each of you to
[2:36:39]
go to one of these data centers and see
[2:36:40]
what they're really like. Cooling
[2:36:42]
systems and generators create a constant
[2:36:43]
loud hum that can negatively impact the
[2:36:46]
quality of life. Yesterday, Steve Elius
[2:36:48]
from our chamber of commerce per
[2:36:50]
purposely spoke misleading words to
[2:36:52]
paint a picture of what this data center
[2:36:54]
is. And I'm here to give you a reality
[2:36:56]
check of truth. and I quote, "A data
[2:36:58]
center is basically the building full of
[2:37:00]
computers that deliver information that
[2:37:02]
we use every day. These data centers are
[2:37:05]
not full of computers. They are full of
[2:37:07]
servers. One rack mount server is
[2:37:09]
approximately 7 ft high, 2 feet wide,
[2:37:12]
and 4t deep and emits a frequency of 60
[2:37:14]
hertz, which can be felt physically as
[2:37:17]
vibration and heard as a deep bass tone.
[2:37:20]
On average, a data center will house
[2:37:22]
100,000 server racks, which is a
[2:37:25]
frequency of six million hertz or six
[2:37:27]
megahertz. A frequent a high frequency
[2:37:30]
ultrasound. This cannot be heard by
[2:37:32]
humans, but can be a cause but can cause
[2:37:36]
a heating tissue vibration and potential
[2:37:39]
cap uh cavitation in tissues. This is
[2:37:42]
300 times higher than the limit of human
[2:37:44]
hearing. Combine the combined noise from
[2:37:47]
fans, cooling systems, and servers are
[2:37:49]
cons considered hazardous for long-term
[2:37:51]
exposure. For instance, it causes
[2:37:53]
confusion, nausea, and potential
[2:37:55]
internal injuries. Nearby residents are
[2:37:57]
exposed to infrasound that causes
[2:37:59]
vertigo and nausea. That said, you made
[2:38:02]
a unilateral decision be behind closed
[2:38:04]
doors and backdoor deals that affect all
[2:38:07]
of St. Angelo that will cause long-term
[2:38:10]
physical harm. Just as you asked the
[2:38:12]
residents of St. Angelo to vote on the
[2:38:13]
expansion of our coliseum that directly
[2:38:16]
affects our taxes. You are mandated to
[2:38:18]
ask the residents of St. Angelo for a
[2:38:20]
vote that directly affects our water
[2:38:22]
resources and our health. You do not own
[2:38:24]
the land and water here. The people of
[2:38:26]
St. Angelo own this land and water. And
[2:38:28]
I reiterate from yesterday, we are the
[2:38:30]
stewards of the land and water and you
[2:38:32]
are voted to represent your community
[2:38:35]
and your community is progressively
[2:38:37]
opposing data centers from being built
[2:38:39]
here. I motion to require all of St.
[2:38:42]
Angeloans place a vote for indefinite
[2:38:43]
moratorum or opposition for the data
[2:38:46]
center and full future data centers as
[2:38:48]
well. Mini Wakani it means water is
[2:38:52]
life. I'm a Native American. I have
[2:38:54]
history here. My family is from here. I
[2:38:57]
grew up right down the road. And what
[2:39:00]
you're doing to our land and our water
[2:39:02]
is ridiculous.
[2:39:04]
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
[2:39:07]
[cheering]
[2:39:10]
» [applause]
[2:39:21]
>> and
[2:39:21]
>> Joe Hyde.
[2:39:23]
>> My name is Joe Hyde. I run two
[2:39:25]
businesses in town. I have St. Angelo
[2:39:27]
Live, which is the news organization,
[2:39:29]
and I also have a little bar and and a
[2:39:31]
hotel called the Arkite. in that arc
[2:39:34]
light. I got a cook name of TD and I
[2:39:37]
can't give him enough money right now
[2:39:39]
for him to buy a reliable car to get to
[2:39:41]
work.
[2:39:43]
And when I see things like these data
[2:39:45]
centers, which is a gigantic opportunity
[2:39:47]
for this town, for this city, for this
[2:39:50]
region to make a lot of money for our K,
[2:39:53]
for the guys working for us, I don't
[2:39:55]
know why there's so much opposition to
[2:39:57]
it. All it is is a building full of
[2:40:00]
servers.
[2:40:02]
And regardless regardless of what you
[2:40:05]
want to say here, you already have a
[2:40:07]
data center on Johnson Street. One
[2:40:09]
entire floor of the GTE building is a is
[2:40:13]
a data center and it's full of ant
[2:40:16]
meters. It's mining Bitcoin. And while
[2:40:20]
it's mining Bitcoin, none of you got
[2:40:24]
cancer. You have plenty of water.
[2:40:28]
You have no noise. No one complains
[2:40:30]
about noise on Johnson Street. 40,000
[2:40:34]
square ft of Bitcoin miners.
[2:40:38]
All of you. All of you walking out here
[2:40:41]
are nothing but a bunch of low IQ
[2:40:43]
idiots.
[2:40:45]
>> Yes. Weirdos and losers.
[2:41:00]
people like us.
[2:41:06]
» Nothing like
[2:41:07]
>> I won't be running.
[2:41:09]
>> So, we are finished with public comment.
[2:41:13]
» Thank [snorts] goodness. I need a motion
[2:41:16]
to adjourn the meeting.
[2:41:18]
Got a first from Joe. Got a second from
[2:41:22]
Tommy Heert. All those in favor say I.
[2:41:25]
>> Any oppose that want to stay?
[2:41:28]
That motion closes to close the meeting.
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70.