[0:00] Right.

[0:03] Welcome everyone. Today is August 18th. This is a meeting of the city of

[0:08] Summerfell Economic Development and Housing Subcommittee meeting. I'm

[0:12] calling the move to order. We have a quorum. Council member Hill and myself

[0:16] here. Are any changes to the minutes? >> Uh no suggested changes.

[0:20] » Okay. Make a motion. >> Move that we approve the minutes from

[0:24] the last meeting. >> Okay. All in favor? I carries two zero.

[0:28] We start our meetings with open time for public expression. This is anything that

[0:31] is not on today's agenda. Um you'll have two minutes to share your thoughts.

[0:37] We'll take comments. I think we have to take it in the room and online. Um so

[0:44] with that, if there's anyone who'd like to speak on anything not on today's

[0:47] agenda? >> Yes.

[0:49] » Okay. >> I'll make sure if you have cards or

[0:51] anything. Um, we have some of our members ready to speak today and then I

[1:00] will have a public comment too. So, um, do do we just ask them to be one by one

[1:06] or do you have like a list or >> I'm just getting that I don't know if

[1:09] there's are you timing Greg or do you want me to time?

[1:11] » I can time. I can't multitask on that. >> So, no. Anyone who would like to speak

[1:18] has two minutes to speak on anything not on today's agenda.

[1:21] » Okay. So, I just gonna translate that very quick for them. Okay. So,

[1:35] So um

[1:39] okay speak

[1:45] and then you're welcome but not required to say your name part of summer.

[1:58] Good morning guys.

[2:13] Well, we're here to talk about the bad living conditions to our apartments

[2:21] » and 78 street

[2:26] » all around canal >> and any other places are

[2:35] We want a living together >> for everyone.

[2:45] » We want to live as someone for someone to take us like accountability.

[2:51] We're paying too much for rent

[2:56] and they're raising the rent up every little bit.

[3:08] And they're not

[3:29] taking all the ramp now. We're living in 78 No Street and it's going all around

[3:34] the ramp.

[3:44] So where words leaving there's we leave we live nearby a trash can and the the

[3:49] smell is a lot and there's bugs that everywhere

[3:59] and we have takes care of kids and the smell is affecting everyone

[4:06] and we're almost paying 5,000 for rent every month. Awesome.

[4:10] two minutes. >> Two minutes. So, just for future, the

[4:13] city does provide um uh interpretive interpretation services. So, when people

[4:21] hold in so it's a it's a little bit um unusual. So, thank you for doing that.

[4:26] No, we appreciate it. But, so we are just so you know, we just need to be

[4:30] notified uh 48 hours in advance so we can have the appropriate people and

[4:34] headsets and all of that. So, I just want to be clear, it's not it's not on

[4:39] the community. The city can provide that service. So, um so it's two minutes and

[4:44] you were doing the interpretation. So, if you have just a closing thought, um I

[4:48] do want to try to stay in that two-minut timeline.

[4:53] » That's it. >> Yeah.

[4:55] » Well, thank you for doing that. Okay. Anyone else like to Okay.

[5:11] Good morning to everyone.

[5:16] » I'm going to say please

[5:22] when you go to inspection the all the canal.

[5:31] » Yeah. the the people from the makeup. They gross in this tree

[5:42] to the apartment. You know, it can smell everywhere in apartment.

[5:50] How you know we have a kids and it's bad for the all the family to smell that

[5:54] kind of

[6:01] And and I would like to the protect the same as no that geted in.

[6:19] uh say try to Yeah.

[6:28] And we like to get it because [clears throat] we need to boys to

[6:32] protect like as

[6:39] we pay a lot of rent

[6:44] the when to the apartment they don't want to hit us.

[6:57] Yeah, we like to protect and get the same as service and everybody and

[7:08] we live in the 220 canal.

[7:13] » Thank you very much everyone. >> Thank you. And on the agenda uh shortly

[7:18] will be the overview of the city's housing inspection program. So we will

[7:22] talk a little bit more about that and there'll be an opportunity to provide

[7:25] comment. >> There anything else that's not on

[7:28] today's agenda? So outside of what's coming up because if possible we like it

[7:32] yeah open to the agenda item. >> Um so I just going to make my comment

[7:36] and then you can jump in on agenda. >> Okay.

[7:39] » Um so my name is Samaran Saan the community organizer for Voices

[7:43] California here in M County. I'm a mom of two. They're right here with me

[7:47] today. Um, I used to live in San Rafael. I moved out like six, seven years ago to

[7:53] No. Um, I know the living conditions on the permits, they're like really bad.

[7:59] I've been visiting my members in San Rafael. I was like most like half of our

[8:04] membership that is in San Rafael and half of our membership that is in

[8:08] Novato. All of them they have really bad conditions. they didn't share it because

[8:12] they're afraid. Sometimes for retellation we know like how bad it is.

[8:17] Uh sometimes the relationship ten on landlord sometimes it is really good. We

[8:21] are not saying that there is bad landlords but something that we are

[8:24] failing it is on like the inspection of the buildings and the followup steps so

[8:28] we can have buildings in good shape that they're habitable for like the families

[8:32] here in Marine. So, one of the things that we noticed that is our families

[8:35] that are paying up to $4,800 for a three-bedroom apartment and no living

[8:39] conditions with leaks, um, with real problems with leaks, with carpets full

[8:45] of mold, with walls full of mold, with holes on the wall, with problems on the

[8:50] pipes, as I've mentioned, with like literally bad other problems with the

[8:55] garbage. And when they complain with the landlords, it is no response. And some

[8:58] of them, they put already like claims with the city. So, we just want to make

[9:02] sure that we can create the same protections that we win um just a couple

[9:06] months in Nevada because we know like the protections that they're on the

[9:09] opportunity zone, they're about to expire on December. So, we want to make

[9:12] sure that we create protections so they can speak up freely and we can create

[9:16] something um better in our community. Um I know you have some topics on your

[9:21] agenda for today, but we just want to plant the seeds so we can work together

[9:24] more often and we can create a better space for the community to be part of

[9:28] this conversations. um we want to be part of this conversation. So we just

[9:33] want to make sure that we connect on like community outreach and bring the

[9:36] people to the center when we are making this kind of decisions. I'm glad that

[9:39] you mentioned like the access to language. I didn't see on the agenda

[9:43] that opportunity. That's why we show up like this. But if [clears throat] I can

[9:46] get your email, we can send you an email um in advance so we can have access to

[9:50] language. But definitely as a community organizer my work it is to connect with

[9:55] all of you so we can work together and we can protect our [clears throat]

[9:58] families because this is a problem also for workforce people it is moving out

[10:01] because the same thing that they're putting over here they can pay on like

[10:04] Vallejo and then get a better house. >> Thank you.

[10:07] » You know >> thank you and we'll give you the city

[10:09] clerk because she's the one that helps make it happen. But that is very

[10:12] important to us is that we are able to connect. Okay. So thank you. Thank you

[10:15] for being here. Hopefully your group can stay as we talk about um but if not we

[10:20] understand too. >> Okay.

[10:23] » Um anyone else in the room like to provide public comment.

[10:28] » Is there anyone online? Do we do online with the new

[10:32] » please? Great. So thank you for that. We'll move into the agenda. The first is

[10:37] the economic development partner updates. The small business development

[10:41] center. Maybe seven minutes. We're going to start carving out some minutes here

[10:45] so we all get out on time. >> I mainly just wanted to mention there'll

[10:50] be other updates at a later point, but right now I just wanted to make sure

[10:53] everyone is aware of the the program that we have coming up with the artist

[10:57] um business accelerator. And so I'll pass out and please take to pass out in

[11:01] the community. The application deadline is I'll put some this way and I'll put

[11:05] some this way. The application deadline is um the end of this month and so

[11:10] there's a little bit more time for people to apply. Um and I'd love for the

[11:14] city of Sanella to send out a notice since we're partners on this. I don't

[11:17] think I've seen it yet. So I don't know Stacy I probably have to connect with

[11:22] Stacy about that but um that would be awesome.

[11:24] » Or the city manager's office or >> or the city. Yeah. Whoever however I

[11:28] don't not sure who the mechanism is for that but that would be awesome to just

[11:31] put a note out to let people know. Um, then we also we have a bunch of new

[11:34] workshops that are on our website. I don't have all of the workshop flyers,

[11:38] but I have our AI workshop, so I figured I'd put that out, too, so you guys can

[11:43] um take and just for everybody in the room, we do a Spanish 10 session

[11:49] business training program and we're about to graduate our our class this

[11:54] time, but we have another one starting in October. So if you want any

[11:59] information, I'm happy to connect with you about all of our Spanish programs as

[12:02] well. Um, so that's I just pretty much wanted to share our upcoming and let

[12:08] people know what's happening. >> Questions.

[12:12] » Thank you. And city manager Nasio, maybe we can put this as part of our next

[12:16] snapshot. Just this one. I don't know the timing of it, but

[12:20] » yeah, we have like a till the end of August to apply, so it' be great to get

[12:24] some more. Yeah.

[12:26] » Okay. Fantastic. Thank you for that. And that's the only update we have from a

[12:31] partner today. So, we will um do you want me taking public comment on

[12:37] each item? The city clerk isn't here. So,

[12:42] » um

[12:46] it's kind of up to you, but I think we could do it if if they're desperate

[12:50] enough. Um otherwise, you end up with all the

[12:54] public comments. >> Yeah. I know we love the public comment

[12:56] and we have a lot on here. So, >> um, but I'll go ahead and we'll have any

[13:00] public comment on the what we just heard around small business amazing work

[13:06] that's being done there. >> Any public comment in the room? Anyone

[13:10] online? >> Actually, can I prompt a little bit?

[13:14] » Oh, we're not doing online. Okay. >> Can I prompt on on especially on the AI

[13:17] enablement series? You know, I think could you provide just 30 seconds on

[13:23] you're a small business. What are some of the things that it can help enable

[13:26] that you might not otherwise be able to do with without using a tool?

[13:30] » Yeah, totally. Well, so the the I just the ones that we have this time um so we

[13:37] we've we really take feedback from workshops very seriously and so we went

[13:42] through all of the responses over the last two years. We actually used AI to

[13:46] do a summary for us to help us understand what the topics would be. And

[13:49] these were the top topics that came up from the surveys. And so that's why we

[13:54] created these workshops. And so this one is a lot of people I think um might be

[13:59] dabbling in AI but maybe not using it across all aspects of their business.

[14:03] And that's the first one to like understand how to use it for finance,

[14:06] for you know HR, all the different pieces that you could really use AI for.

[14:10] The other one is really about marketing and how to actually get your business to

[14:16] expand using AI as a tool to help you make it much easier so that you don't

[14:22] have to spend as much time creating your posts and you know other things that you

[14:27] would be doing. So >> awesome.

[14:29] » Yeah. >> Thank you.

[14:30] » Thank you so much. Okay, we're going to move into the prediction items. The

[14:34] first one is overview of commercial real estate trends. Director Hinkle is

[14:39] kicking this off.

[14:42] over to Hayden uh Algoro along with Joe McCullum. This is basically they've

[14:49] presented to us in the prior uh subcommittee meetings really just on the

[14:53] overview of the commercial real estate industrial markets. Um but really for

[14:58] students in there I had the opportunity to kind of share out really what's

[15:01] happening. Uh there's been a lot of activity um but really just

[15:04] understanding the trend portions for San County legal board for this county and

[15:12] » thank you Micah. So yeah I'm Hayden Angaro uh along with Joe McCllum. We

[15:16] work with New York a commercial company. We're a international company.

[15:21] Our offices are based just up the street at 11:01 Fifth Avenue. Uh, a lot of you

[15:28] know, Stephanie certainly knows, both of us were chairs of the Sanfal Chamber.

[15:33] So, we are deeply committed to trying to >> work with you to revitalize Santafeld.

[15:39] Maybe revitalize implies that it needs work, but there is work to be done. But

[15:45] we're really excited about this period of time with a lot of exciting things

[15:49] coming to fruition, things we've been talking about. My role, you know, with

[15:55] the chamber with Marin Economic Forum as we always talked about the two big

[15:59] hurdles to attracting businesses to Marin were housing and transportation.

[16:04] And we feel like the smart train has helped uh somewhat with the the

[16:09] transportation element. people now have the ability to come from the city by

[16:15] ferry, take a train to get to Marin or people from the north have an

[16:20] alternative to Highway 101. So that that we're we're we're excited about that.

[16:25] And now with the new state housing laws, we're seeing a lot of new housing

[16:30] development which we think will really help drive demand for uh our retail

[16:37] services in downtown and also provide a driver for companies to grow and expand

[16:44] in Marin. So you know new business formation. So that with an overview. Uh

[16:50] next slide please. Um,

[16:55] you know, just a couple notable transactions that have happened and some

[17:01] overviews.

[17:09] » We didn't have this audio portion planned.

[17:11] » Yeah, >> those guys.

[17:16] » So, we are not playing. Okay. Also, >> that hidden I just bought a house in

[17:21] Santafell. I'm now a Santafeld resident to talk

[17:26] the Dominican area. Okay. >> So, the office market as as we know has

[17:32] since co been challenging. Um, there was just a green street

[17:39] publication put out. You know, I think office buildings have decreased in value

[17:46] nationally around 30%. We're seeing some office buildings here in Sanfell and in

[17:52] Marin that are in contract or have sold for less than half price of what they

[17:59] used to be. Uh return from work is still a challenge. Uh having said that,

[18:06] there's a dichotomy where in southern Marin, we're seeing some of the highest

[18:10] lease rates ever. Actually, lease rates that exceed precoid lease rates. So, uh,

[18:16] I know this is focused on Centerville, but if if you look at the Llerur area,

[18:22] the Exchange, which is the group of buildings across from the Country Mart,

[18:27] Drake's Landing, uh, Belvadier Place, which is uh, down by the In-N-Out Mil

[18:33] Valley in Mil Valley. Those three projects are now seeing rental rates

[18:38] that approach $7 a foot. So, those are all-time high rental rates. Yeah, when

[18:44] you come to Sanfell, they're basically at half price. So most

[18:48] of the downtown Santafell, Northern Santafell class A inventory is in the

[18:54] 350 to 375 range. The average lease rate is about $3 a foot. So you can see that

[19:03] somebody in theory could rent space infell for half the price of Larksburg

[19:09] or Mil Valley. Yet they often pick those locations because access to the larks

[19:15] ferry where the executives live uh water views things like that that attract

[19:21] companies to pay those higher rents. Uh some notable transactions one of our

[19:27] larger employers uh the patient group used to be located in quarter Madera.

[19:34] They moved to 4040 civic center north of us here. Uh we'll talk about that

[19:39] building. That building is approved to be converted to residential. Uh that's

[19:44] an exciting story unto itself, but uh PA is staying in in Centerfell, which is

[19:51] good news. They they leased 45,000 ft last year. Um the Helix Adult School

[19:58] just leased a space on Shaver Boulevard uh to the west. And again with the

[20:04] chamber we talked about the revitalization of west end which is

[20:08] occurring and we are seeing a lot of school activity uh programs related to

[20:15] education uh being drivers in the market. Uh

[20:20] there's also a lot of executive suites kind of we work type organizations.

[20:27] Workplace is one such group that just located in the building that Joe and I

[20:31] work in 11015th Avenue. So that's a co-working space. Uh as we see people

[20:38] work from home and not go to the office every day, a lot of times they just want

[20:43] a small office. So, a lot of those co-working businesses are doing very

[20:48] well in Marin. And then there was another deal with BK Modern, uh, which

[20:55] is kind of an architectural design group that moved to downtown Centerfell.

[20:59] Next slide, please.

[21:06] We've got some notable sales that we've listed and we listed them not just

[21:11] because of the value but also some themes here. Uh one Los Galenus uh that

[21:19] was a former furniture store up in the Northfell area

[21:26] uh that was sold it was developed it just sold for 55 million. Uh senior

[21:31] housing is a big driver in the market. Now

[21:35] institutional investors look at Marin as as one of the great markets because we

[21:42] have an aging population. We have a wealthy community that can afford

[21:47] services and so senior housing, assisted living. Uh there's been a lot of

[21:54] activity in that sector. Uh 15154 Fourth Street was a building we worked with

[22:01] Micah and everybody at the city on. It was approved for uh apartment buildings.

[22:08] Uh it turns out that uh senior housing was uh the type of buyer that could get

[22:15] the financing to actually build it. Construction costs are extremely

[22:20] expenses as we know interest rates are high. So, one thing to keep in mind is

[22:25] we do have a slide of all this great uh activity with projects getting approved.

[22:33] What actually gets built remains to be seen. That's the big conundrum is even

[22:38] though you get something approved, the rents in in Sanfell and in Marin often

[22:43] don't justify the construction costs. So, it remains to be seen what gets

[22:48] built. Senior housing, their ergonomics do work. the Aegis uh project uh down

[22:56] the way is has been very successful. So that is a driver in the market.

[23:03] United Markets uh sold both their businesses and one uh real estate

[23:10] location to Molly Stone. Uh I think that's another theme in Santafel and in

[23:16] Marin is uh I've been told this is not to be quoted but the Trader Joe's in

[23:21] Santafelonto is one of the higher revenue generating stores and all of

[23:26] Marin. We've got Whole Foods. Um I am working on selling two buildings in

[23:33] North Centerfell 899 Northgate and 1050 Northgate. were in contract uh at prices

[23:41] way below what they would have been pre-COVID. But what we are telling

[23:45] buyers and this particular buyer is the um revitalization of the Northgate Mall

[23:52] with all the housing there and actually Good Earth. Um I just moved from Santael

[23:58] went to the Fairfax Goodear. We think that's going to really help the whole

[24:03] North Sanfell area. So, in the past, uh, a lot of companies wanted to be downtown

[24:10] Santafel because of all the services, and they wouldn't look up at the

[24:14] northern Santafell market because where do I go have lunch? Where we're where I

[24:19] actually think uh, and we have a a slide that's not included. Some of the biggest

[24:25] rent uh, achievers or office space are adjacent to successful malls. So when I

[24:31] referenced uh the exchange in Larksburg, it's

[24:35] across from the Country Mart. The Country Mart went from before it was

[24:39] called the Country Mart, everyone said, "Why does nobody go to the, you know,

[24:44] Larksburg Landing Shopping Center? Why is it so dead?" And now people want to

[24:48] locate there because of the retail. Drake's Landing that has high lease

[24:53] rates is right next to Bonire Shopping Center. uh in Mil Valley, you've got the

[24:59] uh Belvadier Place which is right next to the town center down in uh in

[25:06] southern Marin. And I I do believe we believe that the Northgate Mall over

[25:10] time is going to be a generator where people say, "I want to be up in the

[25:14] North Santa Fe market because there's great restaurants, Good Earth is there,

[25:19] there's housing close by." So, we think that's a great opportunity. Uh another

[25:24] uh sale that occurred was a Kaiser building. That's kind of another theme

[25:29] in the market is very few people uh when I say people uh

[25:36] lenders are still skeptical about the office market. It's hard to finance an

[25:40] office building. A medical office building is different. There's a lot of

[25:45] demand to find buildings that have medical tenants. This particular

[25:49] building was leased to Kaiser and and so it achieved a a high sales price

[25:55] compared to what other buildings are selling for that are comparable and so

[26:00] the medical community is a driver. I just read this morning that Biomarin

[26:05] just made a big purchase of another company. I was happy to see they're

[26:09] buying somebody and not being bought. I think that's always a fear we have is

[26:13] what if somebody buys biomarin and moves them out of state but they've just made

[26:17] a big investment. Uh so that's a big driver in our market with biomarin

[26:23] ultragenics up in Nevada. Uh the uh former savings and loan uh across from

[26:30] David which is a reference point to me because I eat there a lot and love that

[26:34] place that's approved for uh more housing units. uh and Joe is going to

[26:40] talk about and you guys here are aware of what is is being proposed but we did

[26:46] want to kind of go over um some of the approved sites. The other driver in our

[26:53] market in Santa Fe uh as we know automotive is a is a huge driver creates

[27:00] a lot of of tax revenue for the city of Sanfell. The Price Company just bought a

[27:05] site. So, uh, I think our, uh, the car industry, from what I'm told, again, I'm

[27:12] not an expert, has suffered a little bit. It's not as robust as what it was.

[27:16] I think during COVID, everybody stayed home and went out and bought cars and

[27:21] and then that's backed off a little bit, but the the the you know, center the

[27:26] auto row on either side of 101 is is healthy.

[27:31] » Can I just ask a quick point of clarification on the slide information?

[27:34] » Yep. And then we have about five more minutes. You said United sold both of

[27:37] its businesses. Did you mean both of its locations? I mean,

[27:40] » one one was the business only because they didn't own the real estate and one

[27:45] it was the real estate. >> So, but the Sano location and the

[27:49] Sanfell location >> both. That's what I Okay. Thank you.

[27:53] » Yeah, that's what I thought. Thank you. >> Yeah, we'll we'll breeze through.

[27:57] » Yeah, Joe, I gave you five minutes. [laughter]

[28:00] » Thanks. Well, >> I wanted to kind of focus on uh the

[28:06] change of use that's been happening. And what I mean by that is that post

[28:10] pandemic uh demand patterns have changed in Sanfell. So, you know, we had some

[28:17] big retail spaces. A few of them were uh are pointed out here, but what's going

[28:21] to go back into these place? I mean, frankly, the location you see on on top,

[28:26] 18014, that has struggled since it was Yard Birds, and that was when I was a

[28:32] small child. But, you know, we had the um Pacific

[28:37] Sales, I think it was, that was owned by Best Buy. They came in. There was never

[28:41] really a there there with that. And that's now going fitness. As many of you

[28:46] guys know, Body Kinetics is expanding in there. It's 20,000 ft. a very large

[28:50] footprint of a commercial space in Sanfell. And the way we see that is

[28:55] great, more people downtown. We're going to have ins and outs. The the West End

[28:59] is already pretty vibrant. And so the there's a bunch of new restaurants there

[29:03] on the strip center right in the same parking lot. Pink Owl is there. That's a

[29:07] success story for Centerfell. So the continued success from fitness is

[29:11] something we're we're eagerly um we're monitoring and we're excited to help

[29:17] push that forward. Gary Place, the Crunch Fitness, they just had a grand

[29:21] opening ribbon cutting the other day. That's a former industrial space u

[29:26] practically tucked underneath the freeway. So to have some life brought to

[29:29] that, I think is a win for everyone involved. And then the last uh slide

[29:34] here is uh a baseball training facility is moving into the space behind uh the

[29:41] rug store, which used to be Bananas at Large.

[29:43] » Istanbul Rexan, >> right? And uh the space you see it's a

[29:48] big open warehouse that was a former >> telecommunications switching facility.

[29:53] Probably as boring of a use as you could have,

[29:56] » but [clears throat] that's going to have uh youth doing physical training. I mean

[30:01] that's another thing that's going to bring people into the West End. The

[30:05] 15154 street project is right across the tenant was interested in this space not

[30:10] only because of the space itself but because of the new housing that was

[30:13] going in and thinking this could be a boon for everybody. So, um, when we look

[30:17] at downtown, um, I know there's always been the the feeling and the impression

[30:22] that there's a lot of vacancy and everything else. There's a lot more

[30:26] going on than I think the general public that just drives through cares to

[30:30] realize. And we have some, I'll call it chronic vacancy, but there's a reason

[30:34] for that. And we can go to the next slide here, Greg. Um the uh this is a

[30:40] map that uh some of our colleagues and us have been working on in our office

[30:44] that um shows where these proposed developments are. And the the biggest

[30:49] vacancy that people like to point out is right at 4th and A which is where the

[30:54] Goldstone project is. For reference, Mr. Goldstone bought his first property 10

[31:00] years ago um on Fourth Street and he's been amassing property ever since. But

[31:07] from a commercial standpoint, no business is going to go into those

[31:10] buildings knowing that at any point those buildings could be torn down. And

[31:14] so I know the city has invested in some public art projects and the like, which

[31:18] I think is great. But from the public perspective, they go, "Well, why isn't

[31:21] anybody here?" Well, who wants to invest their business in something that they'll

[31:26] have to remove or could be torn down at any time? Maybe it doesn't happen, maybe

[31:29] it does, but it's a big risk, especially when you have a big uh big floor plate

[31:33] to fill. So, um, kind of what Hayden was talking about earlier when it comes to

[31:38] development in Centerfell, what excites me about this map is there's already a

[31:42] couple projects that have shovels in the ground and those are closer to the

[31:45] transit center. 930 Irwin has the huge crane, so that's kind of fun. And then

[31:50] the project at 7033rd, they're doing some site work as well. So, um, lots to

[31:56] be excited about. Um, this focuses on downtown. Of course, there's a lot going

[32:00] on in North Centerfell as well, but um it sounds like there will be a pipeline

[32:05] update as well, so that will be a nice add-on to this. So, Mayor Kate, I hope

[32:10] that >> that was fantastic. I appreciate all

[32:12] this information done very, very quickly. I'll see if there's any

[32:15] questions. Council member Hill, any questions?

[32:17] » No, that was extremely informative. Thank you for it was really helpful to

[32:20] hear your perspective on where things are, even some of the nuances. they'll

[32:25] just call one of them out around even just and it seems obvious when you say

[32:28] it but even just a medical building office building has a different value

[32:32] proposition than than standard and obviously we're

[32:35] » way way different there was a building that sold up in

[32:39] uh that sold uh Min Health was the main tenant I represent that building we did

[32:44] on long extension that building sold for over $300 a foot the building right next

[32:50] door is priced we're just bringing it to market way less because of the medical.

[32:56] Yeah. >> Thank you.

[32:58] » Each of these agenda items are different enough. We'll just take public comment

[33:02] or questions um with each one. So, anyone around the table or in the room

[33:07] would like to comment or have a question, all is welcome. Now is your

[33:11] opportunity to do so. >> I just want to say more of a shout out.

[33:15] Thanks for filling out that Gary word that Crunch Fitnesses. My family go to

[33:18] Mamelia to eat, you know, dinner there. Every time I go there, there's plenty of

[33:21] parking. Last time I went, it was driving. You can tell the whole

[33:24] community is coming together. There's more stores opening up. So, it's really

[33:28] nice to see that place fills up. >> Thank you.

[33:30] » Yeah, that was great. Ribbon cutting. That place is packed.

[33:33] » Yeah. >> Okay. Well, thank you. No, I thought

[33:37] that was really informative and I love having this information, too. How do we

[33:40] have, you know, I was struck by what you said that people drive down street and

[33:44] they have impressions, but there's actually a lot going on. So, how do we

[33:46] continue to share all the information, both the challenges and the

[33:49] opportunities? So, fantastic. Thank you. We'll move along to the next item which

[33:54] is the overview of the city's housing inspection program.

[33:58] Director Hankle. >> So this I'm gonna obviously turn it over

[34:02] to assistant director Luke Kurt who's in charge of both our building and code

[34:06] programs and uh introduction for his first presentation here. So

[34:10] » y >> take it away Lou.

[34:12] » Thanks Mike. I'll try not to break into interpretive dance or anything.

[34:15] » Oh you welcome. Don't worry. So, uh, just to just to expand on on Micah's

[34:20] introduction, I I sit at a really neat crossroads between building and code

[34:24] enforcement and economic development, and that really positions me ideally to

[34:27] to listen to the concerns of the community and to hopefully to be able to

[34:31] have an impact on in many diverse areas, including housing. So, without further

[34:35] ado, Greg, thank you. Uh, I I am going to be brief in my comments. I anticipate

[34:40] there will be some questions. So, I I'll try to run through these fairly quickly

[34:43] and then and then maybe we can have some robust questions and answers. So, the

[34:48] housing inspection program focuses on preserving sa safe, sanitary, and

[34:52] livable or residential environments throughout the city. It applies

[34:56] systematically to residential properties containing three or more units or hotels

[35:00] with six or more units uh on a 5-year cycle. Uh this proactive approach

[35:05] protects residents, promotes structural integrity, and reduces blight. Next

[35:09] slide, please. Properties must maintain essential

[35:13] baseline standards for sanitation, plumbing, water, climate control, and

[35:18] waste removal. Structural components like foundations, framing, and

[35:23] loadbearing elements must remain sound and safe. Uh the code also strictly

[35:28] regulates weather protection, fire safety, and proper egress. Next slide,

[35:32] please. Inspectors frequently encounter issues regarding

[35:37] general wear and tear, poor upkeep, and deteriorated interior and exterior

[35:42] surfaces. Building envelopes often show structural distress, broken or missing

[35:47] windows, and inadequate ventilation or natural light. Life safety concerns

[35:52] regularly involve unpermitted construction, defective smoke detectors

[35:56] or CO detectors, and unserviced fire extinguishers.

[36:00] Next slide, please. The initiative uses proactive oversight

[36:05] to detect and correct substandard housing conditions before they escalate

[36:09] or deteriorate further. It enforces strict owner accountability while

[36:14] protecting vulnerable residents uh from predatory practices and housing loss.

[36:18] When major repairs occur, the program supports displaced residents through

[36:23] relocation assistance, temporary housing, or guaranteed rights of return.

[36:28] I do want to insert here and I'm going off script. I know that uh concerns were

[36:33] brought about uh 78 Nevada for example and as well as um uh 220 Canal. Um this

[36:42] program does not limit us in our enforcement response. We can go out to

[36:45] these properties at any time. It doesn't have to be on a 5-year cycle and we can

[36:50] take action when there is complaints. Um, so I really wanted to emphasize that

[36:54] we if if if we've just been out, don't think that we're not going to be back

[36:59] out for another five years. If there's a problem, let us know. We will respond.

[37:04] Next slide, please. So, here we're getting into some

[37:08] performance trends. And the uh graph on the left shows case volume over the last

[37:13] 10 years. case volumes have shown a robust recovery following pandemic area

[37:17] disruptions in 2000 and 2001 or excuse me 2020 and 2021. Um the city has

[37:23] addressed 58 cases as of mid 2026. Our projection is to hit 131 total cases by

[37:31] the end of the year and as you can see that significantly outpaces all prior

[37:34] years. The chart on the right is the number of units we inspect. Um so a case

[37:40] can have multiple units involved with it. Uh again, our inspection volume

[37:45] demonstrates strong operational growth that surpasses prepandemic capacity

[37:50] following successful inspections across uh 1322 units in 2024. The program has

[37:57] tracked 707 units to date and our trajectory aims for a total of 1,593

[38:04] units by year's end. Uh at this point in time, I'm going to hand the next three

[38:08] slides over to Alexis, my co-presenter. And uh next slide, please. There we go.

[38:13] » Thanks, Lou. And hi, everyone. Um, we wanted to talk a little bit about some

[38:19] of the feedback that we've received through our community engagement

[38:23] efforts. Um, really the housing element update um, rooted in Marin, but also

[38:30] most recently, we were able to the city hosted several focus groups and

[38:36] interviews with housing case workers from local nonprofits. So, we were able

[38:41] to talk with frontline staff who work directly with tenants. Um, and then

[38:46] simultaneously, VOS Del Canel did about 80 interviews in on Woodland Avenue,

[38:51] Lincoln Avenue, um, and in the canal with tenants. And habitability was a

[38:57] consistent theme in all of this community engagement. Um, and the

[39:02] importance of the housing inspection program and our overall inspection

[39:06] program. And what we heard was that

[39:12] residents um are less likely to report issues

[39:16] because they're afraid of being displaced. They're afraid of eviction,

[39:20] rent increase, red tags. Um and that that's particularly true for our more

[39:27] vulnerable tenants, right? For tenants with low income, tenants with poor or no

[39:32] credit, voucher holders, uh tenants who are maybe less established. um or or

[39:38] connected in the community, excuse me. Um

[39:43] and that a lot of times residents are either we heard from tenants, we heard

[39:47] from case workers that tenants are either living with an issue or they're

[39:51] trying to they're fixing [clears throat] the issue themselves um rather than

[39:54] advocate or rather than go to the city. Uh next slide, please.

[40:01] But something positive that we heard was that um even though property manager

[40:06] responsiveness varied, we had some tenants who said they their response

[40:10] their um concerns were taken care of. We had others who said there they did not

[40:15] get a response. But what was important um for us is that property managers and

[40:21] owners were really motivated to address issues in advance of city inspections.

[40:26] Right? that was where a lot of people saw responses where they hadn't been

[40:30] before. Um and and the second point is that you know these the housing

[40:36] inspection program is a proactive inspection. So the burden is not on the

[40:41] tenant >> to go to the city, right? And it's not

[40:45] going to be a single unit singled out. It's every single unit gets inspected.

[40:50] Um and so that that's really important as well. So and then um next slide

[40:54] please. Um

[40:59] we recently last year came out with our rooted in marin report. Um a lot of the

[41:04] feedback that we got was very consistent with that countywide report. Um on the

[41:09] property owner side we heard a lot of concerns around high maintenance and

[41:13] renovation costs and we have overall an aging housing stock something like over

[41:18] seven and 10 units are were built before 1980. So, um, we're seeing those

[41:24] habitability concerns come up and and there's, um, a large cost with that. And

[41:28] we're also hearing from property owners and managers that they would like more

[41:32] information and more resources and clearer guidance. Um, but we haven't had

[41:37] a chance yet to do specific engagement on the housing inspection program. And

[41:41] so, that's one of our next steps is to do that with with um, all of our

[41:45] stakeholders. Um, and with that, I will hand it back to

[41:50] Lou. Thanks, Lou. Thanks, Alexis. Okay, looking at our fiscal outlook and

[41:55] sustainability, uh operations are primarily supported by tax allocations.

[42:00] They average about $350,000 per fiscal year. Uh we are seeing a widening

[42:05] funding gap in that's steadily emerging between this fixed revenue stream and

[42:10] the labor intensive demand of annually inspecting in excess of 1500 units. Um,

[42:15] strategic financial planning is ultimately going to need to focus on

[42:18] shifting towards a self- sustaining fee and model and funding model. Next slide,

[42:23] please. We're looking to modernize the program

[42:27] and those efforts will focus on boosting digital tracking and reporting

[42:30] efficiency. We're exploring avenues for specialized uh capability to include

[42:35] mold and lead inspecting and testing. Our additional goals include

[42:40] implementing graduated inspection schedules. So imagine a an algorithm if

[42:46] you will where we know that certain properties need to be inspected more

[42:50] frequently than 5 years and we will define a basis so that we can equitably

[42:56] spend our inspection time which is limited where it most needs to be. Maybe

[43:01] maybe a brand new building doesn't need to be inspected for the first 10 years.

[43:04] Maybe an older building that has no issue need to be inspected every 2 and

[43:08] 1/2 years. So, we're going to look into having that kind of flexibility that's

[43:12] defensible built into this program. Um, we also want to better align our

[43:17] enforcement, as Alexa said, with the rooted and marine initiative uh to uh

[43:22] discourage displacement. Next slide, please.

[43:27] So, in conclusion, the housing inspection program remains a cornerstone

[43:30] of community welfare and sustainable development in San Rafale. Our success

[43:35] relies on balancing firm habitability enforcement with practical support for

[43:40] both property owners and residents. Ultimately, this framework ensures the

[43:44] city remains a safe, equitable, and stable place to live. Uh, next slide,

[43:48] please. This brings us to the end of staff's

[43:52] presentation and I welcome any questions that you may have. Thank you.

[43:56] » Thank you, Assistant Director Kirk. Thank you, Alexis, for that. We'll just

[43:59] start with questions from the council. Yeah, go ahead. Council health question.

[44:03] I have uh three questions. So I appreciated you bring up in the final

[44:06] part of it around modernization in my mind. So I like to tell a story then

[44:11] have you correct me. But I like to believe that that digitalization

[44:14] includes um a more modern case management so that when a complaint

[44:18] comes in someone can very easily say like here's the next step. Here's you

[44:23] know there's say a 30-day that has to go by between when a letter is received all

[44:27] that kind of stuff. Is that what you might be referring to?

[44:29] » It would certainly include all of that. um we want it to be set up in such a

[44:33] manner that any one of us here can open the case file and immediately understand

[44:36] what's happening. We're not there yet. We are having some tech technological

[44:40] difficulties with our transition to a new software platform and but we're

[44:45] we're seeing that as our goal and having that capability eventually. Absolutely.

[44:49] » Totally. Yeah. And I mean I think this is self-evident but I want to say it

[44:52] anyway and underscore why that's so important is so that any complaintant

[44:55] can very readily understand rather than calling up and saying well where where

[44:59] is this stand? they they know that okay we have to allow this process to play

[45:03] out and it creates certitude on where it's going to go.

[45:05] » Absolutely. And if I could just add on to that um you know we we have an

[45:08] educational element to this now and education based enforcement is always

[45:13] for our preferred staff to come from. Um I want to do a better job in the future

[45:17] of creating uh digital and hard paper resources that are bilingual materials

[45:22] that we can hand out in the community. I know we have them now. They're not

[45:26] always utilized. I think we can make them more consumable. So that's

[45:30] definitely something we'll be looking at.

[45:31] » Awesome. Thank you. My next one is a little bit more broad. So I will get to

[45:35] the question, but when I think about the dynamic between, you know, a renter and

[45:40] a landlord that there's a lot of tension there and a lot of that is exacerbated

[45:44] by elements that are somewhat beyond, I would think, the purview of the city

[45:48] necessarily, their economic conditions and stratification of where wealth is

[45:51] going because of our capitalistic system. But um I know that there are

[45:55] ways that we'd like to make certain we're dialing in our policy so that we

[45:58] are uh creating the best balance possible. But one thing that I would

[46:02] want to advocate too that could obviously advocate with county and this

[46:06] may be beyond the perview of CD which is UBI pilots universal basic income pilots

[46:12] have been used in other counties around state of California to great success.

[46:16] You know I'm curious if any conversations have been proposed with

[46:19] the county to introduce UBI. So, so for example, uh a qualifying working family

[46:25] could say get another $1,000 to help with rent and utilities to to help

[46:30] create a little bit more of a pathway toward stability. Is that something that

[46:33] that has been explored? >> Not to my knowledge. Again, I've I've

[46:36] with apologies, I've only been here three months, so I I still don't know

[46:39] everything I need to know, [clears throat] but um I do know that we

[46:42] are working hard to build those partnerships with our other community

[46:46] partners, including the county, and this is certainly something that I will look

[46:49] into. I think it's a a it's a natural idea. It just fits well with the

[46:54] program. I don't see any reason why we wouldn't explore that if it hasn't

[46:58] already started. >> I mean, council member Hill, if I could

[47:00] just add, I mean, some of the UBI programs really been launched um in some

[47:04] of the larger cities as as trial starts and I think a lot of us are really

[47:07] monitoring that approach. Little key is having the financial pieces behind those

[47:11] programs and then really the data point to come back on those. So I know Greg

[47:16] and I when we're in Oakland those were launched uh in that phase but the

[47:19] reporting was coming back in the UBI. Um but I do think that it's something that

[47:23] that over time I think we have to evaluate this program particularly is

[47:27] really more about the housing stock condition right yeah uh and the

[47:31] responsibilities of the the property owners per se and also being their

[47:34] contractual obligations as they actually take rent versus habitable housing. So

[47:39] that's really the core focus and I think that's where we're looking at um the

[47:43] opportunities to make our housing stock healthy. Um there's some uh and over

[47:48] time that's really the kind of the goal that this program has been established.

[47:51] It has it has been a cornerstone for San Rafll. [clears throat] What we're

[47:54] starting to see is we're gotten to that the age of our housing stock. It needs

[47:58] more investment level. So really trying to find out that balance between the

[48:02] ownership and then the tenants and getting it to the faith where we don't

[48:05] have complaints of habit habit basic habitability.

[48:09] » Totally. Yeah. And and the reason why I'm I'm connecting even you know this

[48:13] outside notion that I'm I'm sorry it's coming out of the blue of UDI is that it

[48:17] relieves some of that tension so that I'll say a good actor landlord would be

[48:22] able to make those investments and be able to somehow recover appropriate

[48:26] funding to support that. Um, obviously we don't want to remove stock if we

[48:29] overburden a landlord. So, I do think that there is a there's a balance that

[48:32] that could be struck. If you'll have my third one, which is I noticed, you know,

[48:36] based on the public testimony we heard, there were notions of fugitives fugitive

[48:40] smells and pest control that weren't part of that. Can you comment on if

[48:44] that's in or out of purview of our uh of our code?

[48:47] » It it is within the preview of our code, both the inspection program and everyday

[48:52] code enforcement. Um, I'll just go ahead and say with respect to 78 Nevada, which

[48:56] I know came up uh during the uh earlier public comments that the city is

[49:01] actively engaged with that property owner. They are not cooperative or

[49:05] responsive. We're dealing with a lot of issues there, including a failure to a

[49:09] secure trash service. So, trash was building up. I made it very clear with

[49:13] the refuge company, you need to collect whether they're paying you or not. We'll

[49:17] sort the rest out later. Those public safety and public health issues are

[49:21] paramount. Um, we're still working with that now. It's a multi-dep departmental

[49:25] effort and sometimes code enforcement requires stronger methods and we're

[49:29] starting to see that that might be the way we need to go with this particular

[49:33] property. And again, that is outside of our inspection program. This is an

[49:37] independent matter that came up recently.

[49:41] » That's helpful. if you'll allow for one fourth one and it's not so much a

[49:44] question but I think all of this is really important for I think uh

[49:48] residents to be able to have visibility to you know what is the the overall

[49:53] journey for each of these things if a complaintant comes in here are the say

[49:56] five top 10 complaints like you had on there here's how they typically play out

[50:00] I don't know if that already exists or if it could be spelled out more clearly

[50:03] for >> it likely exists but I can spell it out

[50:05] we receive a complaint and and let's say there's there's several there's several

[50:08] violations I like to say that the the the property owner, the responsible

[50:13] party in the violation, they control the narrative.

[50:16] » They control it completely. If if we reach out to them on a courtesy level

[50:21] right at the beginning of the case and they're they're they're apologetic and

[50:25] cooperative and appalled at these situations and want to fix it, it gets

[50:30] done and the case is minimal. Um, in code enforcement, we talk about

[50:33] something called the tough 10%. So that says that 90% of all of the cases we

[50:39] deal with will be resolved fairly easily.

[50:42] » Fairly easily. And that last 10% takes every bit of resources we have to get

[50:48] compliance. And it can it can it it transcends just courtesy notices and

[50:52] notices and orders and administrative citations. It can involve criminal

[50:56] complaints. It can involve abatements. Uh very strong actions that we don't

[51:01] like to do. But again, the the responsible party controls that

[51:05] narrative. We try to educate them and it's successful probably 90% of the

[51:10] time. >> Thank you so much.

[51:12] » Thank you. I just have three questions. So, one of your slides talked about the

[51:15] inspection, the number of units inspected. You also did cases, but I was

[51:19] focusing on that. Is there an industry standard as a percentage of total units

[51:25] that exist in the community that should be inspected? So if you have 100,000

[51:30] units, I'm just going to be that every a community of our a community that has

[51:33] 100,000 units should have as a metric to inspect 10% of those. Like I'm just

[51:37] trying to figure out you had that number, but I didn't have any context

[51:41] for it. >> Um well, again, we we start we eliminate

[51:45] uh properties that have fewer than three units. So it's three or more units,

[51:49] » and we inspect 100% of those units over a 5-year period. That's for for

[51:54] residential. For hotels, the trigger is six or more occupiable rooms. And we

[52:01] tend to look at 10% of those rooms. >> So if a hotel has a 100 rooms, we'll

[52:06] look at 10 of them. If we find problems in all 10 of them, we'll expand that.

[52:10] But it's more of a of a random sample. But with with regard to residential,

[52:14] it's 100% of those units. >> Right. No, I appreciate that. But what

[52:17] I'm trying to figure out is what is the universe of units? So I understand that

[52:20] we're meeting our internal metrics of doing 100% of those. I'm trying to

[52:24] figure out whether we're calibrated to that right number.

[52:28] » Does that make sense? >> So, so Mayor Kate, I I think you're

[52:31] getting at kind of one of the opportunities we have right now is we

[52:34] established this program some, you know, 20 years plus plus ago really

[52:38] opportunity to kind of really apply more not the algorithm really looking at

[52:42] really the and really it's really the housing stock age and um condition I

[52:49] think is one of the key pieces. There isn't like an industry standard because

[52:52] not all cities actually have this type of program. So in essence, it is unique

[52:57] to us in Sanfel. There are cities that do have them, but is there a we call it

[53:00] the city based standard? I don't think it exists. It really depends on the

[53:03] condition and stock and investment into this. What we are finding though is the

[53:08] type and level of complaints coming in for our aging housing stock and also our

[53:13] ownership too. um have a lot of uh smaller uh owners, mom and pop owners or

[53:18] say like single and then as an investment and they don't have the

[53:21] capital to reinvest back into it. So really we're starting to see some of the

[53:25] transition of that happen too um or they're selling those buildings to

[53:31] capitalize. >> You know I think that's helpful. I just

[53:34] think as we talk about this going forward is having that additional

[53:37] context. I do understand and you had someone had you said seven and 10

[53:40] buildings were built or units before 1980. I just think we need a little bit

[53:44] more context so we know that like the program is where it should be. We have

[53:47] the type right type of metrics I I I just from a policy standpoint

[53:53] » I I just feel this number needs to be attached a little bit more to what we

[53:57] see here in San Rafale. Did you want to say something city manager? No. Yes.

[54:01] » I'll just make a comment and and we can follow up. I'm sort of also interested

[54:05] in the trends that gets to your question which is you know post pandemic sort of

[54:10] the last two years a significant increase and you know is that just

[54:14] because of you know staff focus and staff resources or is that because of

[54:18] more issues right so to your point is you know we were in the averaging 60

[54:26] units a year or um properties you know under a thousand and now anyway I'm just

[54:34] wondering if the current trend is where we need to be.

[54:37] » Is that more than we need to be? Is it less than we need to be? You don't have

[54:40] the context for that. >> I don't Yeah, I want to move on to my

[54:43] other two question, but I do think as we're talking about housing and the

[54:46] council does have this as one of our goals and objectives that additional

[54:49] parsing of it, I think is really important.

[54:51] » Um, so the next question and I was struck by what was said about uh we all

[54:56] want the same thing which are safe units. One of the challenges there

[55:00] impediments to that is reporting and people's concern about retaliation when

[55:04] they report. So I'm curious does staff have recommendations of how do we remove

[55:10] or reduce those reporting concerns? Obviously the entire program of coming

[55:14] every five years regardless is one of them. But for the I want to say oneoff

[55:18] but for the ones that appear we have an anonymous way of doing like I'm trying

[55:22] to get a sense of how do we reduce that barrier? How did you find out other than

[55:27] folks having to come to the meeting or in addition to folks?

[55:30] » Yeah, absent the algorithm that we were talking about which would help that

[55:33] process. Uh and again, this is this is entirely proactive. It's not response

[55:37] based. Um just in standard code enforcement practice, complainant

[55:42] information is protected by law. It's anonymous. We do not release it. That

[55:46] being said, it's pretty clear when we go out to one of these units that if we go

[55:50] into unit 13 and find issues, unit 13 was probably the complaintant. There's

[55:56] not much we can do to disguise that. >> Okay,

[55:58] » that's another reason why these algorithms will help us because we can

[56:01] come in rather not in result to a complaint, but because the trends are

[56:06] telling us that we need to inspect this entire property again. And because it's

[56:10] proactive, it takes that that uh onus off of the complaining that they're

[56:14] they're putting themselves at risk. >> Yeah. No, I think that's a really I

[56:18] think that's worth um continuing to investigate. How do we reduce it? And I

[56:21] do think that's I want to say an elegant but a very thoughtful solution. So if

[56:24] you're getting I I guess what we want the community to know is reports should

[56:28] be made and if they're made from several units in the same building that gives

[56:32] you the impetus to go and do the proactive of the entire building, right?

[56:36] because that otherwise when people say we cannot know unless people report it,

[56:40] that's just the way it is. So, so we have to

[56:42] » and and honestly, I want us to do a better job of communicating with the

[56:47] community and getting them to know us and trust us that we're we're not the

[56:50] bad guys. There's there's a lot of fear about code enforcement and we need to

[56:55] overcome that through education, through outreach, through through doing events

[56:59] together and building that rapport >> so that everyone knows us, including the

[57:04] property owners. It's not a one-sided thing. This this benefits everybody.

[57:08] » Absolutely. >> And um finding an effective way to

[57:11] communicate that is is important. And you know that that that transcends

[57:16] culture, cultural barriers, and everything else. Um for example, I know

[57:20] we'll do inspections and we'll find a smoke detector is turned off and it'll

[57:25] be fixed and as soon as we're gone, it's unplugged again.

[57:28] » Yes. >> Because of reasons. Um, so education is

[57:32] important and it's definitely something we want to increase and continue to

[57:36] grow. >> Fantastic. And working with our

[57:38] community partners, we can continue to >> address those issues. My last question

[57:42] then we'll have public comment. It was talked a little bit about when you're

[57:46] talking about the universal basic income. So when there's um improvements

[57:50] or renovations that need to be made, there's a cost associated with that. So,

[57:55] as we're improving housing stock and and it's it was both rhetorical, but I'd

[57:59] like also input like who pays for that cost? Traditionally, landlords and then

[58:04] residents. Um, are there other entities that pay for that cost? I don't know if

[58:08] it's government agencies through I don't even know if they have housing stock

[58:13] programs. I haven't heard of anything like that at the state level, but that's

[58:16] part of what we're running into, too. So, if we're talking about government

[58:18] subsidies, where does that come from? What does that look like? or is that

[58:23] just not a reality? >> It's just not a reality that that we've

[58:27] come across this for the agency I've worked in and and it's really related to

[58:31] the responsibility. It's basically a contractual obligation between a

[58:34] landlord and a tenant. >> Yes.

[58:36] » Um the [clears throat] thing that we enforce and the thing that we focus on

[58:40] is minimum habitability standards. We're not asking for the maximum, not this

[58:44] beautiful. No, the basic health, life, safety minimums. That's the obligation

[58:49] of a property owner. If you're going to be in the business of renting units, you

[58:53] need to meet that. So that's cost you bear as the ownership end.

[58:57] » Um now I think there's possibilities. We look at one of the things we look at in

[59:01] you know fines is citations. Um and reevaluing our program some of the the

[59:07] tools we have for compliance. Um, we're still working through some options, but

[59:12] potentially it's if we do actually go have to go that range and there is a

[59:15] payout, maybe that that funding is used to actually help buildings get to where

[59:19] they need to be versus, you know, augment the general fund or other

[59:21] pieces. But there's other options we need to start really focusing on to get

[59:25] overall compliance because that's what we're really after.

[59:29] » Yeah. And that really ties nicely what Lou was talking about the education

[59:31] piece with the landlord. So having a convening of the landlords to have those

[59:36] conversations because there are tools that we have. They're a little bit

[59:39] clunky, but if you're going to be paying, you know, $10,000 to the city,

[59:42] is there a way that that money then goes to the building or you get a make good

[59:46] ticket and you instead put it towards the building? So, I think that's really

[59:50] um I'm excited that those are actually being discussed by staff. I think those

[59:54] are good tools. Um this is a juicy topic, so we're going to go into public

[1:00:00] comment and apologize to some of the other agenda items. We always have more

[1:00:04] than we can fit. Um, but if you have any public comment on this item, now is your

[1:00:09] chance to say something. We already heard some public comment at the

[1:00:12] beginning, but we welcome additional. Yes. And if possible, introduce yourself

[1:00:16] because um or just say who you are and what if you represent organization or if

[1:00:19] you don't, that's fine, too. Go ahead. >> Kate, [clears throat] Aaron Bernett with

[1:00:23] Now Alliance. Lou, welcome to the to the city. I I really appreciated the the

[1:00:30] messaging and I think more probably like the tone of your presentation. I feel

[1:00:34] like was supportive tone and that's going to

[1:00:37] resonate with community. Um, a lot of the things I I wanted to ask have

[1:00:42] already been asked and commented on. I appreciate all Alexis's uh points that

[1:00:47] she added and like us. Um, I think the third point is simply like we've heard a

[1:00:54] lot of community voice here today. Um, but it can always we would love to

[1:00:57] continue that conversation and and help do a deeper dive into a lot of those

[1:01:02] interviews that Alexis was mentioning and and maybe even do like a walk

[1:01:05] through tour of now to kind of help you understand um what community members are

[1:01:11] facing and and when it comes to fears I I I've heard a lot of yes there's

[1:01:15] certainly fear of retaliation but also want to make sure that we're not opening

[1:01:20] a can of worms that can potentially lead to displacement um over time as we close

[1:01:26] basically these standards and I know like we can be the guide that forward

[1:01:31] kind of

[1:01:34] thank you for your partnership. Yeah, go ahead.

[1:01:37] » Good morning. My name is Ethan Stroll with Legal Aid of Marin and thanks for

[1:01:42] taking the time today to think about this super important issue, what the

[1:01:45] convictions are for renters in Centerfell and how they go about

[1:01:50] addressing them. Uh at Legal Aid, we get lots of calls from tenants who are

[1:01:55] wondering what their rights are surrounding repairs. And California law,

[1:01:59] like was mentioned, is pretty clear about this. Tenants have the right to a

[1:02:03] habitable home, but it's about how they go about enforcing that. Um whether

[1:02:07] they're making a repair request to their landlord in writing or whether they're

[1:02:11] making a code enforcement complaint. The question that often comes up for tenants

[1:02:15] uh on the phone uh when they're speaking to our attorneys is, "Can they evict?

[1:02:19] Can my landlord evict me? Um, and in Sanfell currently, the answer is

[1:02:23] complicated. No tenant in Sanfell, if they're displaced by code enforcement

[1:02:27] due to a red tag, has the right to return to their home. Uh, as was just

[1:02:32] passed in Nevada. And tenants in one to two unit buildings uh uh can be evicted

[1:02:38] for any reason at all uh arbitrarily because their protections that currently

[1:02:43] has don't apply to them. um and tenants outside the opportunity zone in the

[1:02:48] canal can be permanently evicted um when when their landlord conducts uh

[1:02:53] substantial renovations. So, we'd love to be able to tell tenants if you hold

[1:02:57] up your end of the bargain, you pay your rent, and you follow your contract, you

[1:03:01] cannot be evicted. But today, that's currently um not the case. So, we're

[1:03:06] asking for a basic floor protection so that tenants can feel comfortable uh

[1:03:10] requesting the repairs that they need in their home. So, thank you.

[1:03:14] » Thank you. We also did receive a letter from Lucy one Hollingsworth at Legal

[1:03:19] Aid. So, the council, we did receive that. So, thank you for those additional

[1:03:22] comments. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Stephanie. I'm

[1:03:26] Stephanie Plant. I'm a commercial landlord. Uh, first of all, I'd love to

[1:03:30] change that term and we could Could you come up with something besides landlord?

[1:03:34] » Uh, land woman. Um, I appreciate what you said about a convening of the

[1:03:40] landlords and I also heard what you said that uh there's it seems to me that it's

[1:03:44] really easy to the the onus is on the landlord and the

[1:03:49] conversation can be driven by the landlord or property owner. But I think

[1:03:53] if if we sat them all down and convened together, there would be a a I I would

[1:03:58] imagine that 90% do want to do the right thing. And the 10% bad apples probably

[1:04:04] wouldn't come to a convening, but um the 90%

[1:04:09] » maybe don't know. They don't probably know what all I just think communication

[1:04:13] is always better and we can't just assume that people don't want to perform

[1:04:18] if they don't know. and and I I heard a little you know there's always an ad it

[1:04:22] sounds like there's an assumption of an adversarial relationship and I don't

[1:04:25] think that that's always true and I would love to see that convening

[1:04:29] » and um I don't know how I can help but I would try to help if I have you helped.

[1:04:33] [laughter] >> Thank you. No, it's No, we appreciate

[1:04:36] that because we have ideas here but that's why we have this

[1:04:38] » and I think tenants right I am all for tenants rights and and they we need more

[1:04:42] of them and protections. I I also think that landlords can be a little stuck in

[1:04:48] their lane and they that conversation can always help.

[1:04:53] » Thank you. >> Other comments over here.

[1:04:57] » There might be one here. >> Yeah, go ahead.

[1:05:00] » Yeah, just to close because I already take time at the beginning of the

[1:05:03] meeting, but I just want to say thank you for the presentation and thank you

[1:05:07] for being open to the conversation with the community. That is really important

[1:05:10] for us. Uh I think like historically decisions that are being made just for

[1:05:16] people that it works for certain cities or it works in certain like places but

[1:05:22] in order to have a city that it drives for a long term. We have to involve the

[1:05:26] community and their needs as a center. So we just want to connect that is a

[1:05:30] work that parent voices does all the time. We have a big community in San

[1:05:34] Rafael. Uh we have parents uh today from Canal but also like we have

[1:05:38] conversations with parents that they live in other areas in San Rafael. We

[1:05:42] have a building that is sustained on pallets right now in San Rafale. Um so

[1:05:46] I'm glad that you are educated about this 78 no and you are supporting them.

[1:05:50] We will have a conversation and I want to follow up with you with the rest of

[1:05:53] the tenants because they are getting organized to have a conversation with

[1:05:56] the landlord too and they have the same response as you. There it is. There is

[1:06:00] no response basically for them. So we have to go with the next step. So we

[1:06:04] want to learn how we can connect better with you guys at at the level so we can

[1:06:09] work together and educate not just the tenants but the landlords about like

[1:06:13] what it is expectation when families that are paying $4,800 plus utilities.

[1:06:18] Um I think like many of you know what it is like the minimum wage over here in

[1:06:22] San Rafel. But those firms in order to cover those $4,800

[1:06:26] they have to work three jobs. they have to share their homes and they have to do

[1:06:30] like they have to leave their children with others and then do other um things

[1:06:34] to to pay and live over here in San Rafael. But um just going back to

[1:06:39] Ethan's point and talking about the ordinance that we just passed in Nevada,

[1:06:43] it it has the right to return. It has uh higher relocation payments that what the

[1:06:48] states offers. Um it has all the communication on their language, the

[1:06:53] preferred language. And then also one of the important things that I want to

[1:06:57] mention that that creates was it gives them like

[1:07:03] certain coverage for the people to be able to speak because they know they

[1:07:08] have protections. So if we want to see more people involved at those

[1:07:11] conversations, we have to offer the minimum.

[1:07:13] » Thank you. >> Um so I'm going to close out this agenda

[1:07:16] item, but I'm going to turn it to our city manager because there's been uh

[1:07:20] we're going to keep talking about this. So maybe just um uh expectations around

[1:07:25] what that looks like. I mean again a subcommittee is only two of us. This is

[1:07:29] not we're not a decision-m body here. It always comes before the entire council

[1:07:33] part of our upcoming policy looking at the policy. But if you could speak to

[1:07:37] that just so folks can have an expectation.

[1:07:40] » Yeah, I think there's a lot of good information being shared and the

[1:07:43] feedback's always helpful. Um we probably need to huddle up internally. I

[1:07:47] think there's uh um you know we heard the you know

[1:07:52] fine-tuning the program tools and metrics we talked about the you know the

[1:07:56] property owner side and then the you know community centered piece of it. So

[1:08:00] I think each of those have immediate next steps and then maybe the work on

[1:08:05] how to bring it together. So whereas the policy piece is kind of at the intersect

[1:08:11] of those. So, um, didn't answer your question, but I think there's some, um,

[1:08:16] good feedback for staff to come back to and, uh, bring the conversation back.

[1:08:22] » Okay. >> If I can just add

[1:08:25] city, um, the council actually had multiple

[1:08:29] these items identified in work plan uh, of which we are, uh, structured to bring

[1:08:34] forward before the end of the year. So, we are framework. This is a continuous

[1:08:38] pieces and this engagement part is really important but we do will come

[1:08:41] back for these items. We have been working on them.

[1:08:44] » Thank you. Fantastic. Thank you all. >> One one more just piece of context and

[1:08:48] this is for us. The other thing that um >> I don't want it in any way to sort of

[1:08:54] dilute the focus of this conversation. But the other thing that comes to mind

[1:08:58] is that this effort is just one of the bodies of work for the enforcement team

[1:09:03] at the city. And so also understanding how to appropriately prioritize and

[1:09:08] focus on the um property inspection program and you know how that might mean

[1:09:14] it's going to come down to resources. So we'll have that conversation as well

[1:09:17] because we don't want to just >> of course

[1:09:19] » you know pull resources from another um

[1:09:23] » yep at least some we context. Thank you. Um, we are going to jump right into the

[1:09:28] quarterly development pipeline update. And again, we're watching our time. And

[1:09:32] I know you speak really quickly, director Hinkle. So

[1:09:34] » that's what I want to make. Uh, assistant director Miner speak quickly.

[1:09:37] » He is a quick speaker. >> I can speak even quicker hopefully. Good

[1:09:41] morning, Greg Miner, Community Economic Development Department. This is our

[1:09:45] quarterly pipeline update on major projects that are uh being processed by

[1:09:50] our planning division and and uh moving forward. They're mostly um housing

[1:09:55] developments as was kind of alluded to earlier. Uh first off in the corner you

[1:10:01] might see a QR code going to make our monthly or quarterly plug for our major

[1:10:06] planning projects web page. You could just Google Sanfell major projects. You

[1:10:11] get a web web page that has a map and you can see major projects and you can

[1:10:15] see what's happening what stage of the process are they uh did they submit a

[1:10:20] pre-application? Have they submitted a formal application? has it been approved

[1:10:24] or entitled or have they started construction? So, if you're curious

[1:10:28] about what's happening in Summerfell and you don't have to wait for this monthly

[1:10:32] meeting or the quarterly update, you can check it anytime. Um, and you don't even

[1:10:37] have to make your own map like Joe was making earlier. [laughter] You're

[1:10:40] welcome to make your own map, but you don't have to.

[1:10:45] » Uh, so in terms of the the update for this uh quarter, I would actually

[1:10:49] highlight the bottom half of this screen. It's probably not a coincidence.

[1:10:53] We we have more pre-applications than formal applications that we're working

[1:10:57] through at the moment. Um pre-applications are kind of a a product

[1:11:01] of a 2019 state law, the California Housing Crisis Act or Senate Bill 330 or

[1:11:07] SB 330. It was uh designed to encourage more housing production in California

[1:11:12] and lowering barriers for housing developers, including allowing them to

[1:11:17] submit a pre-application that freezes development standards, zoning and and

[1:11:22] fees in particular. So, uh, the council is well aware, uh, roughly two months

[1:11:27] ago, they adopted a development impact fee, a park impact fee to charge housing

[1:11:34] developments their fair share of their impact on the city's recreational

[1:11:39] system. Those fees are starting to kick in. So, it's we we've observed uh a

[1:11:45] little bit of a rush for from uh developers submitting pre-applications

[1:11:49] to to uh lock in the fees before that new impact fee took effect. So, it's uh

[1:11:56] just last week, starting from the bottom, we received a pre-application

[1:12:00] for 515 Third Street. If you recall the the presentation from Newark earlier,

[1:12:05] that's the United Markets site by the Whole Foods. So, they're proposing a 285

[1:12:11] unit sevenstory housing development. Um, above that on this slide, 88 Vivian,

[1:12:18] folks may be aware, that's the former country club bowling site that, um, very

[1:12:24] disappointed is no longer a bowling alley, but has been red tagged for

[1:12:28] structural deficiencies. We have a new application uh, submitted for 129 units,

[1:12:34] two three-story buildings. Um 700 B Street, that's the current

[1:12:39] Safeway location. Uh we received a pre-application for 331 units,

[1:12:44] eightstory building. Uh and above that, 901 East Street's 200 units of housing

[1:12:50] proposed for eight stories. And the last pre-application listed uh is going is a

[1:12:56] proposal for 100% affordable project and 192 units. Um so my understanding that

[1:13:01] is that site was previously entitled for a market rate. This is this would be

[1:13:05] 100% affordable uh development. So that's exciting.

[1:13:09] » I just had that project at 88 Vivian. The same thing, 100% affordable.

[1:13:15] » We're trying to keep it tight. [laughter]

[1:13:19] » Um and then the the applications above are are are projects that uh are formal

[1:13:25] applications that we've received. Uh obviously Kaiser Hospital is not a

[1:13:29] residential development. That's a replacement of the existing hospital in

[1:13:32] order in in order to meet seismic standards. And I believe um the city's

[1:13:38] uh environmental consultant has has produced a draft environmental impact

[1:13:43] report uh which is part of complying with the California Environmental

[1:13:46] Quality Act or SQL. >> Yeah, we're still we're still working on

[1:13:50] that internal draft. It's not ready for publication yet, but really it's just

[1:13:53] we're framing up next steps that will likely come forward. So it's really a

[1:13:56] key critical uh investment in the community for that Kaiser hospital. So I

[1:14:01] wanted to kind of frame up we're finalizing kind of the draft EIR for

[1:14:04] publication. Uh and so the last three developments listed under active

[1:14:10] development applications are in different stages of kind of consistency

[1:14:13] analysis. They've been deemed complete. We're just uh confirming their

[1:14:17] consistency with the city's uh planning requirements. 245 Nova Albon that's 93

[1:14:25] single family homes 790 Mission is proposing 105 units um multifamily

[1:14:31] eightstory uh development taking advantage or utilizing the state density

[1:14:36] bonus law to have a mixture of affordable and market rate housing and

[1:14:40] 50 uh Maryale's a 12unit subdivision. So those projects are are moving forward

[1:14:45] and will be going to the planning commission in the coming months. That's

[1:14:48] the date for today. >> Wow. Fantastic. questions.

[1:14:52] » No questions. >> I don't have any questions other than up

[1:14:55] the good work because uh we know that the sheer volume is very different than

[1:14:59] it was even two years ago. >> So I will open up public comment on this

[1:15:04] item and we always appreciate public comment here and when it goes to the

[1:15:08] planning commission or if it ends up the city council we also like public comment

[1:15:11] there. I think that's important. So we really appreciate the community staying

[1:15:15] engaged when these projects come forward because u not all we want all voices

[1:15:19] represented in the room. Um, so additional comments. No. Yeah,

[1:15:24] Hayden, go ahead. >> Just a question. The FARC fee, how is

[1:15:28] that determined and what does it when somebody pays into that, where where

[1:15:32] does the money actually go? What what what's the result of that? Because we're

[1:15:36] we're getting asked about it and I I'm not educated on

[1:15:40] » city manager. >> Take a stab at that. So um you know the

[1:15:45] park impact fee that you're referring to and there's also a park and zoo fee

[1:15:49] component and basically it's the mechanism by which we can ensure that uh

[1:15:55] new development is as was um mentioned kind of their fair share of maintaining

[1:16:01] our um park standards right acreage per thousand etc etc. So, uh, the short

[1:16:09] answer is we have a park master plan. We have, um, tied to the planned growth and

[1:16:15] so carved out part of those projects are, um, responsive to projected

[1:16:22] increases in population. And it's really just the, you know, math exercise of um,

[1:16:29] uh, the total funding needed to support development's impact as a function of

[1:16:34] the the planned growth. Um and so uh the city has not here to for had a park

[1:16:41] impact fee. So there is a little bit of a catch-up and that's why you see a

[1:16:44] little bit of a you know reaction from the development community about this new

[1:16:48] fee. Um in response to that and in order to you know um not have it have undue

[1:16:56] impact in adopting the fee it's important to note that the council um

[1:17:01] opted for a three-year phase in of that fee. So, even though it's going to be

[1:17:06] effective here shortly, um the first year is 50% of the fee and then it'll go

[1:17:12] up to 75% and then 100% of the fee. But those dollars by state law are required

[1:17:17] to be accounted for tracked separately and used solely to fund park um and

[1:17:25] facility improvements uh to support the pipeline of projects that are coming in.

[1:17:31] And we can talk some more about that if we need.

[1:17:33] » Yeah. just there's a perception that it's an

[1:17:36] attempt to make it more difficult to develop. You know, this is this is just

[1:17:41] a mechanism because the state >> has made it easier to develop. Now the

[1:17:46] city comes in and makes a hurdle. These as I mentioned these projects,

[1:17:50] » most of them don't pencil. So when you add another layer of cost, it means

[1:17:55] maybe you get nothing. So just >> yeah,

[1:17:58] » it's it's a good cause. I you know I think everybody agrees that we need to

[1:18:02] pay in but >> those are pretty big.

[1:18:05] » If I could add one more flavor to that the park impact fee is one such fee

[1:18:10] right there's traffic mitigation fee we're looking at public safety and one

[1:18:13] of the things that um in looking at this at the staff level through our

[1:18:17] subcommittee the council we're also keenly focused on what is the cumulative

[1:18:23] impact of all of these on prospective developers. So as we're working on these

[1:18:29] additional fees, the idea is not necessarily just to pile on, but to sort

[1:18:33] of ensure that in aggregate we're staying u hitting that sweet spot

[1:18:38] between the very real costs of u maintaining and updating the the

[1:18:44] infrastructure and the burden that it falls on the development.

[1:18:48] » So there could be relief in other areas. So the aggregate

[1:18:51] » 100%. >> Thank you.

[1:18:52] » And there's a whole council meeting has a lot of that too that we did talk about

[1:18:56] it extensively. Okay. I know there was more. Is there public comment over here?

[1:18:59] No, >> I'll withdraw.

[1:19:01] » What? >> I'll withdraw.

[1:19:04] » This time I don't know if I have Yeah. Okay. Really quick comment.

[1:19:08] » There's a question and a comment, but I'm not sure maybe our friends at New

[1:19:11] Market answer that question, but when it comes to these sites specifically that

[1:19:15] are going to be replacing supermarkets. Um, in the pre-application, it's 100%

[1:19:20] housing, but is there still room in the later parts of the application to

[1:19:25] incorporate commercial opportunities into those, or is that something that

[1:19:29] we're not seeing or does it not pencil out?

[1:19:30] » Just a short answer on how the city can influence whatever project is coming in.

[1:19:35] » Uh, the short answer, no. For housing projects, the city really has no

[1:19:38] authority to require commercial. It's actually the opposite for state law. If

[1:19:42] you actually have a commercial zone parcel, you want to do 100% residential

[1:19:45] that meets affordable housing requirements, the city has no control

[1:19:48] points over that. So really, it is up to the developers to make that push.

[1:19:52] » Although we do pass along community input, course that we received. Okay.

[1:19:56] Any other public comment on this item? >> Thank you so much. And the next item on

[1:20:01] our agenda is a status update on opportunity zone 2.0 census track

[1:20:05] nomination process and a state and their infinite wisdom reacting to what the

[1:20:09] count what the city proposed. So, who is assistant director of minor? No, there

[1:20:14] was down here. Oh, Alexis somebody Stacy >> I think Stacy if she can maybe leading

[1:20:21] this this item. >> Hi, good morning Stacy Lman economic

[1:20:24] development. Jen, thank you very much for your presentation.

[1:20:27] » Um, today I'm just providing an update on the opportunity zone 2.0 process.

[1:20:32] That is a stated driven process to nominate eligible census tracks to

[1:20:37] become an opportunity 2.0 So zero, which is part of a federal program to um allow

[1:20:44] tax incentives for investment in certified census tracks. So um in July,

[1:20:51] your city council made a recommendation to nominate certain tracks in a priority

[1:20:56] order to the state of California that was submitted by staff. Um recently the

[1:21:01] state has come back with two identified um census tracks that they're

[1:21:06] recommending for nomination. Um these are the only two census tracks that were

[1:21:10] named in Marin County. So we're very pleased to have Sanfell recognized with

[1:21:15] economic opportunity. Um and um her uh being consistent with the city

[1:21:23] council's nomination of priorities. Um, we will respond to the state's

[1:21:29] nomination with a support of census tract 11

[1:21:34] my glasses here 1110 01 which is the downtown census tract. And we would um

[1:21:41] also recommend a replacement of one of the canal tracks in southeast Sanfell

[1:21:48] with a larger tract in southeast Sanfell. So the state nominated um

[1:21:52] census tract 112203 which is highly um residential, very dense, doesn't have a

[1:21:59] lot of economic development potential other than housing. Um whereas uh the

[1:22:04] tract 112204 which is the larger um southeast track that has primarily

[1:22:11] industrial lands um we've found through our analysis has a greater um

[1:22:15] opportunity for economic investment and housing development as well. So um we

[1:22:20] will be submitting that response. There is um been a lot of collaboration with

[1:22:25] community partners including Canel Alliance, other folks at this table. Um

[1:22:29] so um there is an opportunity to reach out to interested parties in the

[1:22:34] community and respond. the city uh can in fact collect uh comments and submit

[1:22:42] our response um with a packet of other community respondents so that the state

[1:22:46] receives um comment in aggregate. >> What's the timing on that?

[1:22:50] » We will be responding by September and I'm sorry August 28th and um my goal as

[1:22:58] a staff person is to respond a few days before that. So, we were asking for any

[1:23:02] folks that would like to respond and have the city uh compile a response and

[1:23:06] submit with the cities. I would like to receive that by the 25th of August so

[1:23:10] that we can submit on the 26th. >> Where are we on the draft letter we've

[1:23:14] been working on >> to you within a few hours. We all

[1:23:18] reached we all agreed on who was going to reach out to which uh elected offices

[1:23:22] and we've had some I think Omar got Huffman's office to say yes while we've

[1:23:26] been sitting here. Uh Connellyy's office said yes. I'm waiting on Magguiire's

[1:23:29] office. So we have a So we have some um answers some ready to put their

[1:23:35] signature on the letter. So I was just fantastic. We were waiting for some I

[1:23:39] know you were waiting for some review. >> Yeah. No, that's fantastic.

[1:23:42] » We're ready to Thank you. We're ready to Thank you for your involvement and and

[1:23:46] responding and getting this uh in the right place for our community. Quick

[1:23:51] questioning. >> No quick questions.

[1:23:53] » No quick question. >> The Yeah. 03 was the tragedy we had in

[1:23:58] opportunity zone. I'm sorry. Sorry. >> The initial approval, right, was the one

[1:24:02] we had in the first goround, >> right? So, we are just and and I

[1:24:06] understand that we are allowed to >> want to say thank you, but could you

[1:24:09] » Yes. >> And I I guess we learned from the

[1:24:12] consultant at the Canal Alliance that that we won't be taking anything away

[1:24:15] from anybody else. Like to be given two slots and to still ask for only two

[1:24:19] slots doesn't like say um hey Los Angeles, sorry for you. But there's no

[1:24:24] adverse ramifications which we were all also happy. I hope we live in a world

[1:24:28] where that map makes sense. >> Well, what we were hoping So, any other

[1:24:33] public comment? I think those are excellent. Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:24:36] » Put a, you know, highlight exclamation point that of the five priority areas

[1:24:42] that we had in rank order one through five. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what

[1:24:46] the state came out with was San Rafll, you get your number two and your number

[1:24:51] four from your own list. So really what we're asking for is number one and

[1:24:55] number two would probably make more sense particularly for all the reasons

[1:24:59] that we think these are um available to >> Yeah. No and and you have a full support

[1:25:06] of the council because the council already passed resolution and um so yeah

[1:25:10] » go ahead and be successful. Additional public comment on this item. Yeah. Go

[1:25:14] ahead. >> Yeah. Yeah, I guess gratitude to the

[1:25:16] city um for coming together on this and supporting community a collaborative

[1:25:22] that involves now Alliance and and our work, but also

[1:25:25] like the the center federal working group. Um I think we have the right

[1:25:29] pieces in place to make this successful and and bring opportunities for all and

[1:25:34] really appreciate that the the city council is all behind this. Um, so

[1:25:38] beyond this letter, if you're able to text or call any of your state reps, we

[1:25:42] would appreciate >> making that making that switcheroo.

[1:25:47] [laughter] >> Switcheroo, like, you know, our request,

[1:25:50] our initial request. >> Yes.

[1:25:51] » Maybe they could just reread the fine print.

[1:25:56] » Actually, I do have a quick question. Yeah. In the letter is there does it do

[1:26:00] we regard it as um [clears throat] harmful to say and could you toss in a

[1:26:05] third if you have an extra or is that or is it not that straightforward to just

[1:26:09] say hey we we have a third in mind if you have a free slot?

[1:26:12] » Uh the way the response portal is on the state's website you could nominate an

[1:26:18] additional tract. Um, how

[1:26:24] » it's a it's a it's a very interesting, you know, you don't want to take one.

[1:26:28] You know what I mean? You don't want that.

[1:26:31] » It's a fair answer. I just want to say yes, it's fraught, so let's not do it.

[1:26:34] That's >> never wanted to. And I think adding in

[1:26:37] more stuff and making it more complicated. You risk them picking the

[1:26:40] one you don't want. No, I think that's >> Thank you. So, I appreciate that. That's

[1:26:44] the game. Let's play the game. Well, thank you.

[1:26:46] » So, we're all learning. That's learning the game, too. and so are they.

[1:26:51] » Any other public comments? >> Just to thank you for your leadership,

[1:26:54] Stacy, and also the collaboration with the Canal Alliance and the business

[1:26:58] community has been robust and um I'm very proud. Thank you. Proud.

[1:27:03] » Stacy Cassid, hopefully the letter will underscore I know in earlier

[1:27:06] conversations um I think that highest priority track that

[1:27:11] wasn't included was sort of the consensus uh highest priority track. We

[1:27:15] had discussions about other priorities. So, it's just odd that the state would

[1:27:19] come back and say, so just emphasizing the fact that there's consensus

[1:27:24] um that went into that number one selection would be important.

[1:27:29] » Fantastic. Thank you. Thank you for that uh fate and hopefully we'll have good

[1:27:33] news at the next update on this. So, our final and our last minute, we have

[1:27:37] future agenda items. Um, if there's anything I know that the staff has been

[1:27:41] listening to this conversation, tenative future items are anti-displacement house

[1:27:45] housing policy, cannabis program, follow-up action, the 2026 city council

[1:27:49] housing sess study sessions. Is there anything else? And we're going to just

[1:27:54] do just shout it out at this point if there's something else that you would

[1:27:58] like to possibly hear. just to underscore what we heard as part of the

[1:28:01] anti-displacement housing policy update just because we definitely heard it loud

[1:28:06] and clear today um around right to return as part of that analysis just

[1:28:11] confirm that that's included in that policy consideration.

[1:28:14] » Yes. >> Thank you.

[1:28:16] » Any other agenda items that the community would like to have us consider

[1:28:22] going forward? Okay. Not seeing any. As always, great discussion. Appreciate

[1:28:27] everyone being here. This meeting is adjourned right on time. Thank you all

[1:28:31] for being here. >> Thank you.

[1:28:52] » Give this to you. So let's let's talk about

[1:28:55] » Yeah.

[1:29:07] That's good.

[1:29:12] » [clears throat]

[1:29:22] » like the same day last week. I was like, "Wow, let's

[1:29:37] see. Thank you.

[1:29:42] » Okay, now you're on

[1:29:48] a little conversation.

[1:29:52] » So, I'll have that conversation because that that's a little weird and I know

[1:29:55] there was some other things going on.

[1:30:03] » You want to just give me a call? >> Yeah, give me a call this afternoon.

[1:30:07] Yeah, call me and let's talk. Yeah, thanks Paul and congratulations.

[1:30:10] » Let's definitely talk. >> Thank you so much.

[1:30:13] » I think one time there was update but no East Sanell update and I said something

[1:30:18] live and she didn't >> No, I know. There's a few like

[1:30:23] » Yeah, we'll talk because there's some history damage.

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