[3:09] Yeah. Water rescue. >> All right, we'll call our work session

[3:13] to order. Have a couple things to talk about tonight. First up is a request by

[3:18] councelor Moresy to uh consider further council discussion regarding flidation

[3:24] of the city water system. >> Great.

[3:26] » There you go. >> Thank you. I have a statement. I'll try

[3:29] to hustle through it. Then I know councelor And throw wants to say

[3:32] something and possibly councelor Monttero.

[3:36] All right. Tonight I'd like to speak about city of Seaside's water flidation

[3:40] policy. It's history. A few facts worth knowing and a request I'll bring as a

[3:44] motion later this evening. So how we got here the 1984 decision. Thank you

[3:49] Spencer and Kim for digging into this for me. In 1984 seaside voters approved

[3:54] adding fluoride to the public water supply. I want to be precise about that

[3:59] history because how the decision was made matters as much as the decision

[4:02] itself. On February 13th, 1984, this council faced a choice. Adopt flidation

[4:08] by ordinance or refer the question to the voters. One counselor argued that

[4:12] the council could and should simply enact it. But the council chose a

[4:16] different path. Council President Robert Miller said the matter should be put to

[4:20] a vote of the people, in his words, so it would be supported instead of the

[4:23] council attempting to mandate it. The council then voted unanimously to send

[4:27] it to the ballot. On March 27th, 1984, Seaside held a special election. The

[4:32] measure, shall the city of Seaside Place fluoride in the city water system,

[4:36] passed, 576 to 402. About 978 residents voted. Roughly 59% said yes and we have

[4:44] fluidated ever since. I start here because the way that decision was made

[4:48] is important. Referred by the council, decided by voters. Now, a few facts

[4:52] about water fluidation. Uh, fluoride does not improve water purity or safety.

[4:57] Unlike chlorine, which disinfects, fluoride serves no treatment purpose. It

[5:02] does not make our water cleaner or safer to drink. Number two, its only purpose

[5:06] is dental to reduce tooth decay. That was the stated purpose on the 1984

[5:11] ballot and it remains the sole rationale today. It is not the natural occurring

[5:16] mineral form. I think there's a lot of confusion around this. Uh the fluoride

[5:20] we add is a manufactured industrial chemical called sodium fluoride produced

[5:25] from hydrophalic acid and in our case imported from a chemical manufacturer in

[5:30] China. Uh number four cost money. The city pays approximately 10,000 a year to

[5:34] purchase this chemical according to our great finance director Zack Fleck. The

[5:39] benefits are modest and contested. So some studies do suggest a small but real

[5:44] reduction in cavities. Other studies show no statistical change. But the most

[5:47] rigorous recent review found the benefits today is much smaller than it

[5:51] was a decade ago now that dental hygiene and fluoride toothpaste are universal.

[5:56] The potential harms I'm going to try to state these carefully and factually. So

[5:59] dental fluorosis uh that's a streaking of children's tooth and animal is one

[6:03] that effects no one disputes at the levels we use. The leading review

[6:07] estimate affects roughly one in eight people in Florida communities.

[6:12] Lower IQ in children. In 2024, the federal national toxicology program

[6:16] concluded with moderate confidence that higher fluoride exposure is associated

[6:21] with lower IQ in children. And in September of 2024, a federal court ruled

[6:25] that fluidation at the current levels poses unreasonable risk and order the

[6:28] EPA to act. Bone effects. Fluoride accumulates in the skeleton over a

[6:33] lifetime. It's cumulative and at higher doses, it's linked to skeletal changes

[6:37] and fracture risk. Thyroid functions. Some studies at higher exposures suggest

[6:42] effects on thyroid home hormones. Vulner groups, it affects bottlefed infants

[6:47] more because they're getting too much of it in their bottle milk. Uh even the

[6:51] American Dental Association suggested lower fluoride water as an option.

[6:54] People with kidney disease have a hard time processing it. Heavy water drinkers

[6:58] whose dose rises every time they consume. Uh to be fair, the strongest of

[7:03] this evidence is at concentrations higher than what we currently put in the

[7:06] water. And credible experts disagree on whether this is good or bad. But many

[7:11] credible institutions, including a federal court and a federal toxicology

[7:15] program among them, have reopened the question we considered closed in 1984.

[7:20] When the experts stop agreeing, the public deserves to weigh in. One local

[7:24] fact, since 2015, federal health authorities have recommended a fluoride

[7:28] level of 007 milligrams per liter. Seaside's most recent reported level,

[7:33] this was a sample in 2021, was about 1.04 04 milligrams per liter above that

[7:37] recommendation. This alone warrants a closer look by staff. Okay. Why I'm

[7:42] raising this now? So I bring this forward because it's been 42 years since

[7:45] this council and seaside residents had a say. I'd like to bring the topic back

[7:49] and open it up to our residents, to dentists, and to public health experts.

[7:52] Two things to keep in mind. This is entirely our decision. So Oregon does

[7:56] not mandate fluoride. Seaside has the full authority to continue it, to end

[8:00] it, or to return it to voters. Two, seaside is not an outliner for asking.

[8:05] Roughly 74% of Oregonians on public water systems do not have fluidated

[8:10] water, including our neighbor to the south can of beach. Only about 26% do.

[8:16] And this conversation is happening all around us. In just the last few years,

[8:20] Oregon communities have taken this up again and again. Sweet Home Council

[8:23] voted to remove it 2025. Lebanon voted to end their flidation program. The

[8:28] voters did in 2024. Hillsboro voters rejected add again in 2024. Portland,

[8:33] the largest city in Oregon, does not add Florida and they rejected it again in

[8:37] 2013. And then Warrington, right next door up the road, voters chose to keep

[8:42] it in 2026. The lesson isn't which way they went. Some kept it, some mended it.

[8:46] The lesson is of community after community decided deserves a fresh

[8:50] public decision and let their people make it. All right. My biggest concern,

[8:54] it's a policy no one can opt out of. So, just to name it plainly, the policy

[9:00] has real consequence for residents who are worried about this additive because

[9:04] there is no way to opt out of it. Everyone drinks water. We bathe in it.

[9:07] We cook with it, water our gardens and lawns with it. At a coffee shop or

[9:11] restaurant in town, you're drinking it too, whether you know it or not. A

[9:14] resident who has read the recent science and decides that they want to avoid it

[9:19] cannot. as long as the city adds it for everyone. A policy this sweeping with

[9:24] potential second order effects deserves closer and current examination. And

[9:28] there is a related problem. Even among those who drink it, there's actually no

[9:32] way to control the dose. So fluidation sets a concentration in the water at the

[9:36] the city level and not a dose per person. So everyone drinks different

[9:40] amounts of water. And a construction worker, an athlete who's drinking

[9:44] gallons a day is going to get far more than someone who just drinks a glass or

[9:47] two a day. a large adult, a small child, someone with a medical condition that

[9:51] makes them drink more. All receive very different amounts from the same tap is

[9:55] unlike any medication a doctor would ever prescribe where the dose is matched

[9:59] to the person. Here concentration is fixed and the dose is left to chance. So

[10:03] what I'm asking tonight, I'm not asking anyone to decide tonight whether flood

[10:08] stays or goes or is good or bad. What I'm saying is that a policy decision of

[10:11] this magnitude, one that reaches every person that drinks our water, deserves

[10:15] our time and attention, deserves input, and the generation living with it today.

[10:19] The original decision was made 42 years ago. Very few people who made it are

[10:23] still here to speak to it. The gen this generation of Seaside deserves a vote.

[10:28] No decision needs to be made tonight, but later this evening, I will make a

[10:32] motion to bring the issue back to a full agenda so the staff can analyze it and

[10:36] with a chance for our residents or dentists health experts to be heard. And

[10:40] I'll hope that you will join me in giving them this opportunity.

[10:44] » Thank you. >> Your cost estimate, it's about actually

[10:49] two to three times that the 10,000. actually closer to 20 to 30,000 after

[10:55] you do the permitting stability. Okay. Pumps, all the systems.

[10:59] » I think that was just the cost of the actual

[11:01] » just the cost of the material. You're right about that.

[11:03] » I'll update that. >> The whole fluoride system and the

[11:06] permitting is 20 to 30,000 a year. >> Thank you for that. Uh councelor. Yeah,

[11:14] I I support everything you said and you hit a lot of the high spots that I was

[11:19] going to bring up. And uh I'm just going to reiterate a couple of things. Uh

[11:24] there are several states that recently reconsidered

[11:27] or prohibited fluoridation and federal agencies have begun re-examining aspects

[11:32] of fluoride policy particularly regarding ingested fluoride products for

[11:37] our children and a broader health questions. Uh Oregon as you pointed out,

[11:43] remains one of the least fluidated states in the nation, ranking near the

[11:46] bottom of the percentage of residents receiving fluoridated community water.

[11:51] Uh some points, uh when this was rolled out in the 1950s, many Americans had no

[11:57] regular dentist. Uh fluoride toothpaste wasn't common place. Dental sealants

[12:02] didn't exist. Oral health education was limited. Sugar consumption patterns were

[12:07] different. Today, fluoride toothpaste is nearly universal. Fluoride mouth rinses

[12:14] and professional treatments are readily available. Sealants protect children's

[12:18] teeth. Preventive dentistry is standard practice. Even on every tube of fluoride

[12:25] toothpaste, it reminds us not to swallow it. That naturally leads many people to

[12:30] ask reasonable questions about adding fluoride to the drinking water. Those

[12:34] questions deserve respectful discussion. I'm asking that we place the topic on a

[12:40] future agenda for discussion. Whether someone supports fluidation or opposes

[12:45] it isn't really the point. Public policy shouldn't be placed on a shelf for 75

[12:52] years and never looked at again. Community water flidation began in the

[12:57] 40s and became federal policy in the 50s. At that time, dentistry, nutrition,

[13:02] preventive dental care, it all looked very different than it does today. We

[13:07] now have fluoride toothpastes, fluoride rinses, dental sealants, routine

[13:10] cleanings, and much better public education about oral health. At the same

[13:16] time, communities across the country are once again asking whether this remains

[13:20] the right public policy. States are reconsidering it. Federal agencies are

[13:26] reviewing aspects of fluoride policy. Regardless of where each of us stands,

[13:31] it's fair to acknowledge that this conversation is happening nationwide.

[13:36] I believe asking questions is exactly what good government is supposed to do.

[13:42] If after reviewing the facts, our community decides flidation should

[13:46] continue, then so be it. If our community decides otherwise, then it

[13:51] should be respected as well. Our role isn't to decide that for the people

[13:56] today. Our role is to ensure that they have the opportunity to hear the facts,

[14:02] that they have the opportunity to ask questions and ultimately make an

[14:07] informed decision. That's why I'm supporting placing this issue on a

[14:11] future agenda and if appropriate allowing the voters of Seaside to

[14:15] decide. Our responsibility is not to defend

[14:19] yesterday's decisions. It's to make sure that they're still the right decisions

[14:24] for today.

[14:30] Well, this couldn't be more timely because uh as you know, I had my

[14:34] orientation uh dance card over the past week and a half and as soon as uh I went

[14:40] up to the water treatment plant and met with Ron and I took notes specifically

[14:46] about the fluoride and the next morning I'm in the shower and we know what

[14:53] happens when we're in the shower. We think

[14:56] » we well we we hope we know. So I I came up with this and then all of a sudden

[15:02] this is on the agenda. So I appreciate it. Uh the seaside water use and

[15:06] fluoride fluoride treatment cost analysis. The following is ba is based

[15:11] on the seaside residential population of seven roughly 7,300 plus 2700 visitors

[15:17] in out of city users for a total of 10,000 person average daily population

[15:23] outside of high season. So as you can find this information anywhere, the

[15:28] typical water use per person uh is approximately 100 gallons per day and

[15:35] that's laundry, dishes, shower, toilet, cleaning, washing your car, whatever

[15:39] you're doing. Uh and the daily household per person water usage for drinking and

[15:45] cooking is anywhere from one to 2%. So the left hand column is if you used 1%

[15:52] of water and the right hand column just shows if you used two gallons of water.

[15:57] So there's your math. So on a basic on a 10,000 population daily total we are

[16:06] using a million gallons approximately and that is based on the uh city's

[16:12] website report. I'm sure it's goes up and it goes down but I'm sure it goes

[16:16] more up. So that's our water usage. When you're looking at the fluoride itself,

[16:22] these 50 lb bags come in a pallet with 50 and so they're approximately $60 per

[16:30] bag and they're put in every other day. So you could say $30 a day, right? Okay.

[16:37] So $30 a day at 365 days a year is $10,950.

[16:45] Okay. The annual Cost of fluoride effectiveness

[16:49] is either 1% or 2%. In other words, the total consumed discharged fluoridated

[16:57] water based on 1% actually consumed is 99%.

[17:03] You're we're flushing it down the drain. And if you are a high water drinker,

[17:08] then it's 98%. [clears throat] So there's asterisks on here. and

[17:15] drinking tap water, food prep, cooking, boiling pasta, washing vegetables, and

[17:20] making hot soups or beverages uses an average of 0.1 to one uh gallons per

[17:26] total per person daily. Portion of total used. The direct oral and culinary use

[17:34] represent only one 1% to one and a half% of total households.

[17:39] a household is based on uh four people and that is according to the US EPA.

[17:49] Um household refrigerators with filtered

[17:53] water dispensers do not remove fluoride. Fluoride is a mineral. Statistics do not

[18:00] include restaurant ice makers and restaurant tap water consumed is

[18:04] approximately 1% of uh all water use. So, I'm coming from a a different angle,

[18:13] but um I just wanted to make everybody aware and that's that's just for the the

[18:19] sodium fluoride itself and has nothing to do with the pipes and permits and

[18:23] everything else. So, it's an expense that we are literally flushing down the

[18:28] drain. >> Great input. Thank you.

[18:32] » Else want to make a comment before we move on. I'd be interested in knowing

[18:37] what the sodium fluoride does to our pipes.

[18:42] Maybe our public works director can tell us.

[18:48] » I think staff would prefer to find out what you want to know and

[18:53] come back prepared rather than just off the cuff

[18:58] remarks. I think and I think that's what council mores is asking is to bring it

[19:02] back for a larger discussion. But if we do that, it would be helpful for us to

[19:06] know what should we come prepared with. Exactly like that.

[19:10] » Yeah, I think that's part of it. But I know there's also a lot of members of

[19:13] the public that want to speak as well. So maybe it's a combination of your

[19:16] analysis and then taking testimony. >> Yeah.

[19:20] » Well, it be like any other item we bring up.

[19:23] » There'll be a staff report about it, public comment.

[19:27] Do >> you have anything?

[19:28] » That that was really where I was headed. I don't know anything about

[19:33] what what else has to be done besides not putting this bag in the water. Like

[19:39] does it require any other um reconfiguration or reconstitution of the

[19:44] way that the water is treated at the treatment plant the cost to the city?

[19:48] » That would be good question for the staff report to answer as well.

[19:55] » This has been a a issue that's come about

[20:01] mo mostly recently. So, um I'm fine with it going before the public. It's you

[20:08] said it's been a long time and I don't see any reason why we wouldn't

[20:14] go to the public as opposed to us deciding. I think we're all agree with

[20:18] that, right? >> So, um

[20:23] there are there are counterpoints to some of your points.

[20:29] thing that I always look at is uh dental plans are not available to a good

[20:36] portion of our public both young and old because that's not covered under

[20:41] Medicaid and that means a lot of our kids that are at the poverty level you

[20:47] know they're going to have to find some place to make sure they get the fluoride

[20:51] and maybe toothpaste is enough but there's certainly a lot less dental

[20:57] care available And so hearing from Dennis will be an

[21:01] important part of it. Um we can you know like you said Warrington just went

[21:05] through this so we can follow up what they said see what they

[21:10] did and obviously sees sides of different

[21:14] cities. So we'll see. >> I do have a motion but I'll I'll bring

[21:18] that out during my comments.

[21:23] » Don't really have to have a motion. Um >> I'm the that sets the agenda along with

[21:29] you and and staff. So, as far as I'm concerned, I think we have a consensus

[21:35] that yeah, it's it can become an agenda item.

[21:38] » Great. >> Tell you that

[21:40] » not be able to go on the ballot this year. We don't have enough time for

[21:44] that. >> So, we'll probably be looking at the May

[21:49] um not sure costwise. That's something else staff can figure out. um it will

[21:57] cost us something to put it on the ballot and if it's at a general or a

[22:02] primary election for instance and it's less it's not nearly as expensive.

[22:08] » I can tell you that um any child that um is enrolled in Head Start once a year

[22:14] headart offers the fluidation treatment and the parents can elect not to have

[22:20] it. >> That's a pretty small amount of kids

[22:24] compared the hundreds in our primary schools

[22:30] school. Okay.

[22:33] » Yeah. Just thank you everyone for the input.

[22:35] » Thank you. Thanks for putting it on the topic.

[22:39] » Okay. Next up, uh we have a item on the agenda tonight, consideration of the

[22:44] parks advisory committee's estuary plaque proposal. So, who's uh going to

[22:52] come up? I have a uh

[23:00] » I think Nancy and Bill and probably Paul, do you want to come up as well?

[23:07] » Okay.

[23:10] [clears throat] >> Make sure you're in a spot where we can

[23:12] catch your lovely faces. You got him.

[23:25] » You want to introduce this

[23:30] » mayor and council? Um, I'll introduce this. So, this came this I think was

[23:35] announced. This is the first time I heard about was at our last meeting. Um

[23:39] but it's been from what I've told been a discuss topic of discussion for many

[23:44] years at the parks committee level and so um once I think councelor Ansbro

[23:51] mentioned this um there was a parks committee is planning a plaque ceremony

[23:56] thought okay let's let's dig a little deeper into that and councelor Tono um

[24:01] also um asked for more information about it um and so looked into it and um the

[24:09] parks committee would like to do a plaque ceremony recognizing Neil Maine

[24:15] at the estuary park and uh they've uh made some plans and I uh met with Nancy

[24:23] and we had discussion about how and a reminder about how the parks committee

[24:27] is advisory. So, they want to do something. That's where they need to get

[24:30] council approval. And we talked about how the new um updated council ordinance

[24:35] would help with that and provide a better mechanism for clear

[24:39] communications and direction and things like that. So, um but um there was time

[24:45] between um the event that they would like to hold uh and uh well, we have

[24:51] this meeting in between then. So there was an opportunity for the council to

[24:55] come and listen to the uh idea, the proposal, ask some questions, provide

[25:01] some feedback, and then if you're comfortable with it, they can move

[25:04] forward. If you'd like to make adjustments to it, um that can also

[25:08] happen. Um if you'd like to go a different direction, that can also

[25:12] happen and we can have that discussion. And so it's on uh what we can talk about

[25:16] in the work session and then any decision from the council will be in the

[25:20] regular meeting. And I've got we got a couple of slides.

[25:25] Um here's I think people are generally familiar with the Echuary Park across

[25:30] the street from the old high school. Here is the um advertisement that

[25:38] they've put together. And then Paul can fill you in a little bit later if you

[25:43] want do want to move forward. His recommendation is not so much on a rock

[25:47] like that, but on a pedestal. And this is what we're talking about where it

[25:51] would be located. But I'm going to leave it on this slide and turn it over to

[25:55] Nancy as our chair of the parks committee to introduce it and talk a

[25:59] little bit about why the parks committee would like to pursue this.

[26:06] » I think Paul knows too though. Um, we need to wrap up about the quarter to

[26:10] six. So again, we're not making any decisions here, counselors. This is

[26:16] strictly a discussion. We want to make any decisions, we'll do it in council.

[26:24] » Good evening. I'm Nancy Holmes, chair of the parks advisory committee, and to my

[26:30] left is Phil Monttero, our vice chair. Um,

[26:35] in January 2023, the city of side initiated initiated a complex pro

[26:42] process of purchasing land which is now known as Esttoary Park. At the same

[26:47] time, several residents came to the park's advisory meeting, suggesting that

[26:51] if the purchase was successful, Neil Maine, a local educator,

[26:56] conservationist, and wildlife photographer, should be recognized for

[27:00] his work in helping protect the vital coastal estuary and wetland habitats

[27:06] along the Oregon North Coast. During his 31-year tenure at the Seaside School

[27:12] District, he taught biology, created outdoor programs, connected with our

[27:17] students, connecting our students with local ecosystems. After his retirement,

[27:23] he was one of the founders of the North Coast Land Conservancy. That was 40

[27:28] years ago. Based on public recommendations, the committee looked at

[27:32] several ways to honor Neil for his lifelong work. In their September 4th,

[27:37] 2025 meeting, the committee and members of the public suggested creating a

[27:43] plaque as a tribute to Neil. Several of Neil's former students and friends of

[27:48] the committee designed the beautiful plaque you see on the flyer.

[27:53] Aware that Neil is in poor is now in poor health, anonymous donors arranged

[27:59] for the plaque to be cast and presented to the committee so Neil could be

[28:04] honored during a living tribute ceremony while he was still able to share in the

[28:09] occasion. Lexi Halahan has engaged former students

[28:14] and longtime friends of Neils to speak at a living tribute event planned for 1

[28:21] p.m. Tuesday, August 11th. Many other friends and former students

[28:27] have been invited to join at the edge of the beautiful seashore sea side estuary

[28:34] to reminisce about the exploration of that land and when they had an

[28:39] opportunity to discover its secrets with their miss with their teacher Miss

[28:43] Germaine. The committee has applied for a vent permit from the city. Several

[28:49] potential locations for the plaque, both public and private sites, have been

[28:53] considered. The parks advisory committee's recommendation to the

[28:57] council tonight would would be best would it that it would be best mounted

[29:03] on a rock or concrete monument to be installed at Estuary Park. We can talk

[29:09] more about that. We respectfully request your approval of our recommendation to

[29:14] provide permanent public recognition of Neil Main's extraordinary service and

[29:20] lasting tri legacy through the installation of this commemorative

[29:24] plaque as part of the living tribute. Thank you.

[29:33] » Bill, anything to add? >> No, we looked at several locations. Um,

[29:38] we talked to school, you know, school district is willing to do it. Land

[29:41] conservy's willing to put a plaque there. We thought it was most

[29:45] appropriate here in Seaside because he was a seaside teacher and brought a lot

[29:50] of the stu the people that we all know to the estuary and actually made him

[29:54] aware of what it is and it's expans.

[30:01] » Okay, counselors questions. Uh, I I guess my only concern would be if we do

[30:07] do an upgrade to Estuary Park, are we going to put this in a place where it

[30:11] doesn't have to be moved? So, we almost have to kind of figure out what we're

[30:13] going to do there, I think, before we place it.

[30:16] » Why don't Why don't we We had that exact discussion we met on site today. Paul,

[30:20] do you want to walk through your ideas here and what we talked about when it

[30:24] comes to that? What I told Paul is that I don't want to design the park around

[30:29] the plaque. So we have to do it in such a way that it can be relocated if

[30:36] necessary. >> So uh I talked with my folks and we came

[30:40] up with this idea for a concrete base for the for the plaque. Um you would sit

[30:46] about a foot underground. So the three feet below the plaque is really two feet

[30:52] and the five feet's really only going to stick up four. But, uh, we made it a

[30:57] certain size so we could sling this out of here very easily and move it around.

[31:02] Um, it would be solid as it was, but it would be an easy matter just to pick it

[31:07] up and move it wherever we wanted to. If they had to move it out of the park or

[31:11] if we had to move it to another location of the park, that's definitely something

[31:14] we can do. It's not beyond the equipment's uh mass loading and it's not

[31:21] like anchored into a much larger base which would be far more problematic to

[31:25] move >> and it's heavy enough that nobody else

[31:29] could do it. >> Yeah. So, [laughter]

[31:32] it's it's just under 3,000 lbs with that much concrete. So,

[31:37] » um >> Wow.

[31:39] » Yeah. It's um it's fairly substantial, but not too much that our little mini

[31:43] excavator can't pick it up and move it around. So, that's kind of the the

[31:48] weight limit that we were looking at in order to kind of uh satisfy the

[31:53] requirements.

[32:01] » Thank you. >> The estuary is not in good condition. in

[32:05] the extruary park is not in good condition and um I would suspect that

[32:11] we're going to be doing a lot of work there in the future. Um so one of the

[32:16] questions I have is because it's not in good condition and there's activity

[32:23] there all the time. Um what would be the plan

[32:30] for the um to maintain

[32:36] this and maintain the plaque? I really don't want to see something like that

[32:43] defaced. >> Right. So um we still have um the

[32:49] process of going through maybe some uh concept with architects on may how we

[32:54] may adjust work out there. Um the platform does

[32:58] need help. It uh is in disrepair. Um we have two um staircases going down, both

[33:05] made out of wood. Um I'd like to pull both out, replace one of them with a

[33:10] concrete one. I think the best thing to do, uh since Echuary Park has, you know,

[33:15] a natural habitat theme is to keep everything man-made in one little area.

[33:21] So, as you can see in that photo, right to the extreme left on the lower photo,

[33:27] that's where the stairs go down right now. And the other one is way down on

[33:30] the end. I would take the ones on the on the north end out completely, replace

[33:35] these with uh concrete. Um, since it is in the flood plane, um, there's going to

[33:42] be permitting. I'd rather not rock the boat, as you may say, and rebuild on the

[33:47] existing platform that's there, um, which would be a minimal regulatory

[33:53] impact to us, um, while still preserving, you know, a wonderful place

[33:58] to observe the estuary. >> So, if we were to pull out that

[34:02] platform, would we be legally permitted to put it back in?

[34:05] » Um, well, what's really we're talking about are the pilings. That's what's in

[34:10] the flood plane. So that's what's holding the stuff up. We maintain those.

[34:14] They're in good shape. It's it's the top decking and some of the railings that

[34:17] that need replacement that if we just did like for like it shouldn't be an

[34:22] issue whatsoever. Um if we want to upgrade it to say using a composite

[34:28] material like TX or something like that, we'll have to put additional supports

[34:33] underneath of it. But I don't believe we would need more pilings. So that which

[34:38] actually impacts the flood plane of the pilings, I don't believe that we would

[34:42] need additional ones that we could build the structure off of the existing.

[34:47] » Cross your fingers. >> What's the cost for the concrete basin?

[34:52] Who's paying for that? Um the cost um we're talking let's see

[35:00] we're talking like a $100 worth of concrete

[35:03] um and maybe another $100 worth of just uh boards for forming it up. So

[35:08] basically $200 worth of material cost and about a day to put it together. So

[35:15] » So labor for a day. >> For a day. Yeah.

[35:18] » For one person. >> Mhm.

[35:21] And then $200 >> pretty much. Yeah, it's a pretty low

[35:25] cost. And that's the doing the boulder. It would have been really difficult to

[35:30] find a boulder with a face. And the boulder itself probably would have cost

[35:34] at least $600 to $1,000 after all said and done. So, um I think

[35:39] that the pedestal we can control it better and it'll make a better mounting

[35:43] surface and we can move it easier, too. Um a boulder that size would be probably

[35:50] one and a half to two times the weight of that. So, it'll be a little more

[35:54] difficult and it wouldn't sit, you know, we can lay this on its end and move it

[35:58] around if we had to move it to another location. It would be an easy, safer

[36:01] move to this. It's also easier to anchor [clears throat]

[36:05] um the plaque down to this. >> So, how high is this above the ground?

[36:10] » Four feet. The top of that will be four feet. So, the top, it says five feet

[36:15] from the bottom of the top. The bottom foot will be below grade.

[36:20] » Do we have to worry at all about skateboarders?

[36:23] » Um,

[36:26] there's not a lot of what I would call good skateboarding surface right there.

[36:31] We're going to be off of the pavement anyway. Um, I I think it I'm trying to

[36:39] see how a skateboarder would want to utilize that.

[36:43] » Um, >> they do prom. Yeah. Um, we've tried to

[36:48] put it as far back from any of the paved surfaces so it doesn't um congest any

[36:54] ADA or any people coming in and going. It also pulls it back far enough so that

[36:59] we went in and rebuilt the platform. It's not going to be in the way of the

[37:03] construction, too. Plus, it's I think it's a good prominent location. People

[37:07] come in there and it's right there and they can see it, but it really doesn't

[37:10] get in the way of, you know, wheelchair traffic, pedestrian traffic, uh, even

[37:14] bicycles. So, >> I like that they have it turned around

[37:19] so they have to get out of their cars. [laughter]

[37:24] » Yeah. But then they're have their back to the estuary when they're reading it.

[37:30] » They're out of their cars. >> That's it. Yeah. Um

[37:35] » concrete. Uh we have a lot of concrete that likes to get tagged.

[37:41] » Yeah. Um >> aggregate.

[37:45] » We could I mean they'll still tag it. I mean

[37:49] we can we could try to seal it um as best as possible to try to mitigate uh

[37:54] you know make it easier to clean. Um >> can we seal it? We can you can seal

[38:02] concrete to a degree um just so that it has a more uh the surface is easier to

[38:08] clean. >> Then you have to redo it.

[38:11] » You have to redo it. So >> um I don't know if tagging has been an

[38:15] issue out there. Um but again if you build it they will come.

[38:20] » Yeah. >> Kind of a thing.

[38:22] So, uh, yeah,

[38:28] there's only so much you can do. >> And that's the question, and I am

[38:32] certainly not the engineer, so let me caveat my comment with that.

[38:35] » But, um, it seems like when you see a plaque somewhere, you

[38:42] don't typically I mean, I'm not like envisioning it in this big concrete

[38:46] block that has to be moved by an excavator. It just seems sort of

[38:52] like a heavy installation to me for something like this. But like I said,

[38:57] I'm not an engineer. I'm hearing the the the point of making it so heavy is that

[39:02] so it can't be moved or so that nobody can tamper with it. Is that accurate?

[39:07] » Yeah. So, I mean, it's it's not so heavy that it can't be moved um by heavy

[39:11] equipment, but it's too heavy to basically if someone leans up again,

[39:15] it's not going to fall over. It'll weather better this way. Um and that was

[39:19] the intent. It's like what's going to be something that's going to be the least

[39:22] amount of maintenance. It's going to hold up to the weather as best is not

[39:27] going to be, you know, if someone tries to knock it over. It's going to it's

[39:30] going to be pretty difficult. You'd have to have several people pushing on it to

[39:33] knock it over. Um but still be able to move it uh in case it's in the way of a

[39:37] future development of the park. So, >> okay, that makes sense.

[39:41] » That was our compromise. >> And what about the maintenance of the

[39:45] plaque itself? if there's tagging or there's um I I

[39:51] doubt that somebody could remove that from

[39:54] » it's pretty similar but in fact it's identical to what you have on prom all

[39:57] along all the along each light post you have brass plaque or bronze plaque

[40:04] exactly the same >> even the Louiswis and Clark statue is

[40:09] » yeah so I mean >> it's no different than that so if

[40:11] somebody were to tag it you can use acetone on it and it's not going to

[40:15] degrade the brass for the bronze on it and it's raised

[40:19] lettering. So, >> good

[40:22] » with a with a rough background. The photograph is the only thing that might

[40:26] take some special >> is that sealing? It's sealed already.

[40:31] » I haven't tried estim

[40:35] use a Q-tip because alcohol works better.

[40:39] » Touch it till it's tagged. >> Huh?

[40:41] » I can touch it till it's tagged. It's tagged. That's right. We can replace it.

[40:45] » You could replace Yeah, you can replace that.

[40:49] » Keep the photo. >> It's a lovely project.

[40:55] » We do or have in the past anyway. refinished some of the plaques around

[41:02] town. The one at the turnaround, for instance, for our uh for the prom was

[41:08] redone. The one out here was redone by public works a number of years ago.

[41:13] There was I don't remember which guy it was, but one of them knew how to do

[41:17] that. And they clean up really well. Of course, you know, it probably been there

[41:22] for 20 years, so it's possible. Very doable.

[41:31] Well, Neil Maine did a lot for the community. I think it's definitely

[41:34] deserved. So, I applaud you for making that effort.

[41:37] » Yeah, we had a lot of people. They wanted to name the park Neil M. He just

[41:41] said, "No, that's not our job." >> Easiest,

[41:46] » but that difficult part. >> We thought the easy ask was a plaque.

[41:50] [laughter] >> Yes.

[41:52] » Well, and we don't have an official name for the park. Not yet.

[41:57] » Let's put that on the list. >> It is.

[42:01] » Okay. >> Thank you guys for

[42:05] » Thanks. >> Thank you.

[42:14] » Anything else you want to discuss that's on tonight's agenda?

[42:23] Just a reminder that we are going into executive session

[42:28] » to discuss Spencer's review. Uh anything that's done or said in there will stay

[42:34] in there. It doesn't come back here at the end. I've written up a

[42:41] general statement that I'll read assuming you guys agree to the

[42:47] um we will discuss any changes to his salary or

[42:54] any of the benefits and we do have a option to discuss there.

[43:02] » This is all standard. This is how we do it every year.

[43:07] Is this what it is? I'm trying to

[1:03:10] Call the city council meeting to order for July 27th. Please rise for the

[1:03:16] pledge of allegiance.

[1:03:21] To the flag of the United States of America and to

[1:03:27] » nation under Gody and justice

[1:03:42] » again. Please call the role.

[1:03:47] » Thank you.

[1:03:53] R. Montero here. Coun. >> Oh, excuse me. Councelor R. Monontto

[1:03:59] » still here. >> Councelor Baker

[1:04:02] » here. >> Council President Morsy

[1:04:05] » here. >> Mayor Wright

[1:04:07] » here. >> Councelor T. Monttero

[1:04:12] » present. >> Councelor Ansbro

[1:04:15] » here. You >> guys are throwing me a loop. N

[1:04:18] » all all present and accounted for. I have a motion for approval of our agenda

[1:04:23] for tonight. >> So moved.

[1:04:25] » Second. >> Council President Morrisy, Councelor

[1:04:28] Baker. All those in favor say I. >> I. I.

[1:04:31] » Any opposed? Motion carries. No proclamations tonight. Public

[1:04:37] comments. Do we have anybody signed up in audience

[1:04:41] for public comments? We have one person in Zoom.

[1:04:47] didn't didn't make it. Okay, >> she made it.

[1:04:52] » We had some um file written comments. They'll be in the minutes.

[1:04:58] Any counselor wish to declare a potential conflict of interest?

[1:05:03] » Just noting that uh Bill Montero of the parks advisory board is my husband.

[1:05:09] » Thank you.

[1:05:13] » I have a motion for approval of the consent agenda. I would move to approve

[1:05:17] the consent agenda. >> A second.

[1:05:20] » Council President Morsy, Councelor Baker. All those in favor say I.

[1:05:24] » I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries,

[1:05:29] but it's nice when we can just write through. No reports and presentations

[1:05:33] tonight. Uh, city of Seaside Boards, City Council commissions and committees.

[1:05:38] We still have a vacancy on airport advisory one, community center

[1:05:44] commission two, planning commission one, transportation advisory commission one,

[1:05:50] city tree board two, and city council ward three. A reminder, W three remains

[1:05:57] open until we appoint somebody could remain open until um the election of

[1:06:04] 2028 unless somebody decides to step up. Anybody that we do appoint will remain

[1:06:11] in office until then.

[1:06:16] Unfinished business. Ordinance 2026-06 regarding

[1:06:23] amending chapter 31 to establish uh general provisions for boards,

[1:06:28] commissions, and committees.

[1:06:32] We had this on the agenda before. Spencer, you got a quick update for us?

[1:06:38] » Yeah. So, this will cover the changes that the council discussed and wanted

[1:06:43] implemented uh since the last meeting. The first was to clarify membership and

[1:06:49] terms. So, um you can now serve on up to two committees. Um the and there was

[1:06:57] some discussion of ordinance versus policies. The ordinance says you're done

[1:07:01] at the end of your term. The policy may allow someone to stay on until they're

[1:07:06] reappointed, but that's not contained in the ordinance, which was believe my

[1:07:11] understanding of the direction. And then uh their temporary service is

[1:07:16] obviously not a guarantee of uh reappointment. We want to open it up as

[1:07:21] much as possible. So recruitment and reappointment. So the city recorder will

[1:07:26] uh begin the process at least 60 days before the term is expired.

[1:07:32] Um we will basically want to broadcast this out to as many people as possible

[1:07:36] including the person who's currently in the role. if they want to continue and

[1:07:41] then the city council may consider all applicants including the person if they

[1:07:46] choose to be reappointed and they the discussion there has been you know

[1:07:51] making sure there's an opportunity for um fresh ideas to come on board.

[1:07:57] There are some questions and comments and direction on quorum and

[1:08:00] subcommittees. So, we clarified added clarifying language on what's a quorum

[1:08:05] that they uh cannot take action unless they're uh officially a quorum and we've

[1:08:11] kind of given some examples in there what that would be making any decisions

[1:08:15] and whatnot. Um but they could receive updates. I think it's especially

[1:08:19] important for our committees where sometimes we're less sure if we will

[1:08:22] have a quorum, but for those who do come, we want to recognize their efforts

[1:08:27] to come and at least have a meaningful discussion or an update if we can. And

[1:08:32] then subcommittees, we add the language to say that the the committees cannot

[1:08:36] create any permanent or standing subcommittees without first coming

[1:08:40] through to the city council. And then one I think the the provision there we

[1:08:45] want to be careful of is off the committee work takes considerable staff

[1:08:50] time and resources and we want to make sure that we are not multiplying that

[1:08:54] and so there will be a review process as to whether staff can accommodate that

[1:08:58] whether staff needed and maybe any other considerations.

[1:09:04] Those are all the changes uh that were requested to go with the after the first

[1:09:09] reading. And so here's the requested action and an optional third reading and

[1:09:14] adoption if you choose tonight. Okay, I'll uh open the floor to anybody

[1:09:21] from the public that wants to make any comments

[1:09:26] seeing none counselors any comments? >> I don't have any comments.

[1:09:31] » I'd be interested in knowing if um anybody from any of the committees has

[1:09:35] given us any input. I've not received any feedback from the committees.

[1:09:40] » Okay. [snorts] >> And then there's one thing um where

[1:09:44] attendance at the at a virtual uh attendance at a meeting can be virtual

[1:09:50] and I think um we talked about it last time as well. Um

[1:09:56] it did not follow the same rules of the council where if we attend virtually we

[1:10:04] must be visible at the meeting. I believe I sorry I should have put that

[1:10:08] on here. I believe I updated language to include the phrase with camera on or

[1:10:12] something like that. Uh >> didn't see that

[1:10:14] » to make it in compliance with the electronic meetings policy.

[1:10:21] » Um yeah, >> I didn't see that. Um the other is um on

[1:10:30] the section that if a member's term expires and nobody's been appointed yet

[1:10:38] um you said the vacant they can serve

[1:10:42] temporarily until the vacancy is filled if they're willing to continue serving.

[1:10:47] Is there any time limit on that? >> No. That would be um the council can

[1:10:56] make a decision at that point. I think trying to keep uh options open

[1:11:01] for the council, >> right? Trying to leave us as much

[1:11:03] flexibility as possible. >> And that's in policy.

[1:11:08] » That's what I'm reading. >> Right. It's in policy, not ordinance.

[1:11:11] » Yeah. >> Yeah. And that's Yeah. It doesn't say

[1:11:14] there's any time limit. So if it takes us 6 months or a year, that person can

[1:11:19] continue to sit on a temporary basis. Is that intent?

[1:11:23] » Well, if if they want to as well. I mean, if they're not signing up again,

[1:11:27] they probably won't want to go that long.

[1:11:30] » Okay. >> So, um, councelor Mont leaves in our

[1:11:33] hands. Yeah. See, um, page 46 of your packets

[1:11:41] in the, uh, in the policy,

[1:11:47] let's see, second paragraph on page, sorry, page

[1:11:52] 45, second paragraph. To be counted as present while

[1:11:56] participating electronically, a committee member must be able to hear

[1:11:58] the meeting, be heard by others, participate in discussion, be identified

[1:12:02] for attendance and voting purposes, and keep members camera on during the

[1:12:06] meeting unless otherwise allowed by law, the city the city council's electronic

[1:12:12] meetings policy or an approved accommodation.

[1:12:16] » So, keeping the camera on is different from being visible.

[1:12:20] I could keep the camera on and you don't see me. So I might not be

[1:12:26] » Do you want to suggest an amendment to the language?

[1:12:28] » I think that what we've got for counselors

[1:12:32] I does the council one say just keep the camera on.

[1:12:35] » I'm guessing this is that language but I can look at

[1:12:38] » okay >> I just think it should be equal. Um,

[1:12:44] also on page 39 under reappointments, um, you said,

[1:12:52] "A [clears throat] member seeking reappoint is not required to complete a

[1:12:56] full new application unless requested by the city council, city recorder, or city

[1:13:02] manager." Um, you know, I think that starts to get um somewhat unfair because

[1:13:10] that means that one person asking for reappoint might not be asked to fill out

[1:13:15] an application while another one might be asked and um uh it starts to look

[1:13:22] kind of judgmental against that incumbent. I think everybody should be

[1:13:27] doing the same thing and you could add to an application

[1:13:33] um a space for any kind of comments that a new applicant or an incumbent

[1:13:38] applicant might want to say about what they're doing. I know that later on you

[1:13:44] do have uh that the council may reappoint and they may consider

[1:13:49] attendance, participation, preparation, conduct, etc.

[1:13:54] Um, I just I just think that saying we don't have to ask for this, but maybe

[1:14:00] we will and it kind of ends up depending on who that person is. And so I kind of

[1:14:07] I would like to see it be the same for everybody.

[1:14:11] » So I will say I don't think staff has any plans or I can't envision a time

[1:14:16] when we would request it on our own. It would be somehow at the council's

[1:14:21] direction. So, if you want to remove that language, that's fine. The um the

[1:14:26] question about whether or not they should fill out full application was

[1:14:30] something the council discussed last time and the direction we received from

[1:14:34] the majority was we didn't want a full application again. Um, but again, just

[1:14:41] putting in some flexibility in case there are circumstances where where it

[1:14:46] makes sense, but I I can't see any reason why staff would initiate it if

[1:14:51] council hasn't. Um, maybe there could be a time and that's why there's some

[1:14:54] flexibility. So, I'd be fine if you left it in or removed the city manager and

[1:14:59] city recorder. The only thing I could see would be if our application had

[1:15:05] changed and so there was just some information that we wanted from them so

[1:15:09] that we had it on file that we didn't currently have or something. But

[1:15:13] otherwise, I can't see us initiating that.

[1:15:16] » And and my comment isn't about staff requesting it. So, I'm going to share a

[1:15:21] story. This is back in about 2005.

[1:15:27] I sat on what was then called the advertising committee. I had sat on that

[1:15:32] committee, attended every meeting, been very active uh for three years.

[1:15:39] I I'll say it really nicely ticked off a few members of the council

[1:15:46] who for the first time ever asked that a someone who wanted to be

[1:15:53] reappointed made me do the application and made me do the um the interview.

[1:16:01] They never asked anybody else. There was nobody else who wanted the position. I

[1:16:07] don't ever want anybody going through that.

[1:16:18] That's why I am so committed to you do it the same for everybody

[1:16:26] because it should not be political.

[1:16:38] I'm not really [clears throat] as concerned of what the process is. I just

[1:16:42] don't want to have to see folks fill out a new application that are already

[1:16:46] serving because we already have such a challenge of getting volunteers. But

[1:16:51] whether it's a email to Kim or a written confirmation or a phone call, I mean, I

[1:16:57] don't really have strong feelings about what that process is. I just know that

[1:17:00] it should be simple if someone's already been approved and is already serving.

[1:17:05] I I agree. I I think it's the second sentence in the [clears throat]

[1:17:09] paragraph that's important. The city may use a simplified written confirmation or

[1:17:13] reappoint form. So, >> well, because you've already got the

[1:17:19] original application on file, >> right? But this is four years later and

[1:17:26] we don't know if that person I hopefully the committees will be giving the

[1:17:31] reports. Did that person participate? Did they attend the meetings?

[1:17:37] And that kind of thing. Reappoint shouldn't be automatic.

[1:17:42] It should be based on whether or not people fulfill the commitment they made.

[1:17:50] And doesn't the uh the committee chair uh give a report as to what's going on

[1:17:57] anyway? >> The leazison.

[1:17:59] » That's what we're hoping for. the layers on.

[1:18:01] » This is just one small piece in that. >> Yeah.

[1:18:04] » As we move forward, >> I think what you just said is different

[1:18:10] than the process for reappointment in this paragraph. So, I'm not quite

[1:18:16] understanding.

[1:18:20] Well, the next paragraph or two paragraphs down, it does say the council

[1:18:25] may consider attendance, participation, preparation, conduct, relevant

[1:18:29] experience, committee needs, the annual report and work plan, the value of

[1:18:34] continuity, and the value of providing opportunities for new applicants.

[1:18:41] And how do you consider that if the person hasn't if all the person has said

[1:18:46] is I want to stay?

[1:18:51] I think there is a difference between uh staff

[1:18:57] uh andor the committee providing information like a report to go with

[1:19:02] someone who's interested in being reappointed and them filling out an

[1:19:08] application. I think those are two different issues. So, one is are you

[1:19:13] interested? Yes, we can pass that along. And as we're passing it along, here's

[1:19:18] the feedback from the chair or here's their attendance record or whatever we

[1:19:23] decide and you decide is helpful for you to make that decision. We can provide

[1:19:27] that, but that's not something that would come from the person serving in

[1:19:31] that role.

[1:19:38] I'm okay with the way it's stated right now. The um it leaves as much

[1:19:44] flexibility as we want and it's going to be our decision in the long run. Um

[1:19:53] hopefully everybody uh pays attention and doesn't make it a personal thing.

[1:20:00] But you know, we can't stop that from happening by changing some language. Our

[1:20:06] application is not really that useful because it just has data. It doesn't

[1:20:13] tell us anything about the person. That's why we interview them. And one of

[1:20:17] the things I'm looking forward to is getting that annual report and working

[1:20:22] with the committees so that we can say, "Okay, here's what we agree with you on

[1:20:28] going forward. what happens next year and then um reviewing that and going

[1:20:34] forward we end up with a much more efficient way of all of our boards and

[1:20:41] committees working with the council and doing the council's work.

[1:20:46] There is plenty of flexibility there now. Um and the things that we're

[1:20:51] considering remployment basically none of those are on the

[1:20:55] application. Those are all going to be things that we find out from the annual

[1:21:00] report and you know who's doing the work. It puts a lot more work on

[1:21:07] committee chairs making sure that people are showing up and recording when

[1:21:13] they're not or why they're not. So, um we're going to depend on them uh

[1:21:19] significantly and

[1:21:22] » but the committee chairs change. It's not always the same person. Not for the

[1:21:28] four years. >> Doesn't have to be. They have a job

[1:21:32] described in the uh the documents. And it shouldn't matter who that chair

[1:21:38] is. >> And who will be making sure that that

[1:21:42] job is done? right now

[1:21:49] » if we don't get the report. >> Okay.

[1:21:59] » Any other comments,

[1:22:03] » mayor? >> Yeah,

[1:22:04] » just circle back. I pulled up the um the city council's adopted electronic

[1:22:09] meetings policy and it does mirror that language. It says members of boards,

[1:22:14] commissions, committees or councils who wish to participate in electronic

[1:22:17] meetings must keep their video on during the meeting to be considered present. So

[1:22:21] I think the intent was that they are uh I think the intent was to avoid a

[1:22:26] situation where I'm sure many of you have been in a virtual meeting. Yeah.

[1:22:30] Where some people choose to just keep their camera off to participate. I think

[1:22:34] that was the point is to avoid that. We have not had an issue to my knowledge of

[1:22:40] people having their camera on but pointed somewhere else. If that becomes

[1:22:45] an issue, we can certainly bring it up. It is in the policy. That's much easier

[1:22:49] to change than the ordinance. And the policy is not what's up for adoption

[1:22:52] tonight. It goes with it. Um I think um if the council uh does a second reading

[1:23:02] tonight, we'd probably bring back the uh policy at the next meeting to adopt with

[1:23:08] the adoption of the ordinance. Or if you choose if the council chooses to do a

[1:23:13] third reading and adoption tonight, there's always a 30-day um period until

[1:23:19] the ordinance goes into effect. So, we would bring back the policy at the next

[1:23:24] meeting to go into effect at the same time as the ordinance. So, um but again,

[1:23:30] just going back to the policy, it's easier to change.

[1:23:33] » You indicated that we haven't had any input from any of the um committees. I'm

[1:23:39] not sure which of the committees have had the opportunity to view this and

[1:23:44] talk about it at one of their meetings. Um I know for both of my committees they

[1:23:50] have not had that opportunity yet. >> The um

[1:23:55] there not we have not changed very much in the year and a half since the first

[1:24:00] draft was put together. Recently it's been more

[1:24:04] um procedural in splitting it up between ordinance and policy but the bones of it

[1:24:09] are essentially the same. And um there was a request put out to the u each of

[1:24:15] the committees at that time with a copy of that proposal and everyone right away

[1:24:20] started working on or looking at discussing their own personal committee

[1:24:24] stuff and did not provide any feedback on the overarching policy and I think in

[1:24:30] the discussions I've had with the staff liaison people are generally in favor of

[1:24:37] one overarching uh ordinance

[1:24:41] and then specific things for their individual um committees. Um but uh like

[1:24:47] I said that we did reach out and there just wasn't any

[1:24:52] that wasn't the topic they wanted to talk about. So

[1:25:01] » Okay. May I have a motion? I move for a second reading of ordinance number

[1:25:06] 2026-06 by title only. I'll second. It's

[1:25:12] » council Baker. Councelor R. Montero. All those in favor say I.

[1:25:17] » I. >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Spencer.

[1:25:25] » Ordinance number 2026-06. an ordinance of the city of Seaside,

[1:25:29] Oregon, amending chapter 31 of the Seaside Code of Ordinances to establish

[1:25:34] general provisions governing city boards, commissions, and committees.

[1:25:39] » Thank you. So, we'll discuss the uh third reading

[1:25:45] on uh our next meeting. New business, consideration of the parks advisory

[1:25:51] committee estuary plaque proposal. We had that um during our work session. I

[1:25:56] think we understand what's going on. Anything you want to add, Spencer?

[1:26:02] » No, I think that's it.

[1:26:07] » Any further comments from the council?

[1:26:12] I don't know if we have a proposed We have proposed motion.

[1:26:20] Can um Is Paul still here? Hey. Hey, Paul. I

[1:26:26] got a question for you. Um,

[1:26:31] and I I got it confused between the pedestal and the uh boulder. What What

[1:26:36] is the weight difference between the pedestal and and the boulder?

[1:26:40] » Uh, boulder is variable, but it would be probably somewhere between 3500 lb and

[1:26:47] 5,000 lb. Whereas the pedestal is about 2,700 lb.

[1:26:51] » Okay. 2700 lb. Okay, cool. And um is there going to just out of curiosity I

[1:26:57] know that the footprint on that is >> the base is 2 feet by 2 feet.

[1:27:02] » Okay. And um no worry about that sinking down or having an impact on the uh

[1:27:08] environment? >> No. What we'll do is we'll dig a hole

[1:27:12] and we'll put some gravel in there and compact it to give it a good subbase and

[1:27:16] then it'll sit upon that and it should distribute the load pretty well.

[1:27:19] » Make a foundation. Yeah. Okay. >> Thank you. That's what I had.

[1:27:24] » Where is that new business? >> Anybody else?

[1:27:30] Um I see that one. Oh, do you have something else? I saw um that one person

[1:27:37] in the audience wants to make a comment. We did not list uh public comments, but

[1:27:42] we generally allowed. Is that okay with the council? Okay. Step forward.

[1:27:47] » Thanks, Paul. My question. >> Oh, okay. No question.

[1:27:53] I think this is a great way to honor Neil Maine's legacy. So, I would move

[1:27:57] that we'd approve the monument at Echuary Park.

[1:28:01] » I'll second. It's >> Council President Morrisy and Councelor

[1:28:05] Armono. Okay.

[1:28:09] » All those in favor say I. >> I.

[1:28:11] » I. Any opposed? Motion carries. So there will be an event assuming that

[1:28:18] it can get done by August 11th, right? No problem. Okay. So um August 11th at

[1:28:27] 1:00 at Estuary Park. You're all invited.

[1:28:34] Thanks to the parks committee and uh for what you've done so far on that and

[1:28:39] we'll see you at the event.

[1:28:48] Next up's the liquor license application limited on premises sales license. Uh we

[1:28:55] got uh owner here. You want to come forward, introduce yourself, tell us a

[1:29:00] little about your business.

[1:29:06] » Hi. Uh my name is Mario Garcia and uh I have a seven years opened small business

[1:29:14] in a south uh 800 South Reserve belt. >> And you're located just north of the

[1:29:22] like the Shell station, right? >> Yes.

[1:29:24] » Okay. Any questions from the council?

[1:29:32] » No questions. No. >> All right. Can I have a uh motion?

[1:29:38] » Looks like Seaside Police Department reviewed the liquor license application

[1:29:42] and did not discover any disqualifying information. So, I would move to approve

[1:29:47] the liquor license application for Tequira

[1:29:51] El Tarasco LC. >> I second Elasco.

[1:29:57] » Okay, Council President, Council President Morrisy and Councelor

[1:30:01] Hanssboro. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I.

[1:30:06] » I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Congratulations.

[1:30:11] » Thank you.

[1:30:15] » Next up item about library intergovernmental

[1:30:20] agreement. We have our library director Jennifer here.

[1:30:27] Yep. Welcome. tell us all about

[1:30:33] what we're doing here. >> Uh this is basically Is that working?

[1:30:36] Okay. Um basically just a restatement of uh an agreement that we've had uh in the

[1:30:43] past. Uh we took the opportunity to clean up some of the language and just

[1:30:48] reinforce that all of those things were still happening is uh the agreement

[1:30:52] between the three cities uh to provide the library services.

[1:30:57] Uh we also um took the opportunity to remove the termination date or the term

[1:31:03] limit on it. Uh in the past it had been either for three years or five years. Uh

[1:31:07] this way you don't have to come back in 5 years and have me do this again.

[1:31:16] » That's it. >> That's pretty much it. Um I included in

[1:31:20] the packet uh information you the background of how uh this uh evolved

[1:31:24] from uh just sort of uh librarians driving books around in between the

[1:31:31] different locations to establishing a courier uh system and then uh joining

[1:31:38] forces to share a library catalog. And uh that's really where um the all of

[1:31:43] that information um all of this allows us to be able to provide that service um

[1:31:50] with the expectations that all three uh libraries will maintain their

[1:31:55] collections and um be good partners.

[1:32:02] » I only had uh one question uh on item 12 on notices. Um, it said, um, any notices

[1:32:10] under this go to the library director or designated representative. I mean, it be

[1:32:14] obvious to you. I just thought it probably be a good idea to have a copy

[1:32:18] go to the city manager as well since it's a intergovernmental agreement.

[1:32:23] » Mhm. >> So, I'd ask for a slight change there.

[1:32:31] » I noticed Clatup County was involved. What is their connection to all this? So

[1:32:36] they um generously fund the libraries rock program. Uh so we receive uh a

[1:32:43] chunk of money for for that program. And so it's just sort of the continuation of

[1:32:48] having the support for that program um and providing library services and

[1:32:54] materials to all children in ClassUp County.

[1:33:00] Mayor, in my orientation uh at the library, Director Reading

[1:33:06] really offers a slick operation behind the scenes. I mean, those those books

[1:33:12] are going out, those books are coming in, and it's a wonderful, wonderful

[1:33:17] service for anybody who's a part of it. And thank you. I

[1:33:21] » think it's always a surprise, I think, to folks when they come and they they

[1:33:24] say, "Well, I have a card at Atoria." I said, "Well, yeah, they [laughter] could

[1:33:28] you can use the library here, check out materials. We can move them around.

[1:33:33] » It's wonderful. >> It's a nice feature."

[1:33:36] » And of course, it's worth the drive for them to come because we had the best

[1:33:40] library. >> That's right. [laughter]

[1:33:42] » Sure. >> I wanted you to be on the record for

[1:33:44] saying that. [laughter]

[1:33:48] » Well, the other thing I'm, you know, I'm always thinking money. Um, Atoria pays

[1:33:52] for their library operating out of their budget, but they had to get a levy to

[1:33:58] actually do their new building. >> It doesn't

[1:34:01] » um Seaside's entirely city paid. Warrington uh needs a property tax levy

[1:34:08] and it's been questionable on and off and obviously the county has no library,

[1:34:13] but it's great that they support uh your group. So, of course, we have the best

[1:34:18] library. Any other comments or questions?

[1:34:24] » I like that you all work together >> up and down the North Coast. I think

[1:34:28] that's great. >> Yeah, it's it's really it's a nice

[1:34:31] opportunity. And I'll share, you know, people always ask why isn't Canon Beach

[1:34:35] part of it. Canon Beach isn't um a public library because it doesn't

[1:34:39] receive any public funding. So, it is is a private library.

[1:34:43] » So, otherwise um they would be we would bring them into the fold.

[1:34:51] Can I move it make the motion? Ready for it?

[1:34:56] » I think so. Anybody? >> I move to authorize the city manager to

[1:35:01] execute the intergovernmental agreement for cooperative library services subject

[1:35:06] to any changes deemed necessary or appropriate by the city manager or city

[1:35:11] attorney. >> I second that.

[1:35:13] » It's councelor T. Monttero and councelor Ansro. Any further discussion? All those

[1:35:19] in favor say I. >> I.

[1:35:22] » Any opposed? Motion carries. >> Thank you.

[1:35:25] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:35:33] » Wow. We're moving right along.

[1:35:37] Okay, this is going to be a tough one.

[1:35:43] Come >> on up.

[1:35:48] It's not often you have a question about buying something where the the

[1:35:54] department brings the money to buy it with you them. [laughter]

[1:35:58] » Well, >> division chief, please tell us what

[1:36:01] you're asking for and why. >> Uh so, good evening, council. Appreciate

[1:36:05] you guys. For those that don't know me, I'm the EMS chief for Seaside Fire and

[1:36:09] Rescue. Um we are here I think about a month ago uh with our NDA report talking

[1:36:14] about ambulance operations. Um and during that time we uh uh informed you

[1:36:19] guys that we'd went after uh two grants. Um they started awarding those on July

[1:36:24] 1st at 8:00 in the morning. But about 7:52 that morning we were told that we

[1:36:29] had received one of the grants um to purchase a new ambulance and outfitted.

[1:36:35] Um, with that, um, the one we are attempting to get is a bronze select

[1:36:41] ambulance. Uh, it's the latest and greatest. It has kind of the gold

[1:36:44] standard. Um, and it's through True North out of Hillsboro. They're the

[1:36:48] local dealer for that. >> That's great. Um

[1:36:52] but with that it uh the in your packet it it talks about the amount of the

[1:36:57] ambulance um and which exceeds the uh city manager's authorization to purchase

[1:37:02] without city council's approval. Um it's over that $150,000 mark. So um I know

[1:37:09] the number for what the cost of the grant was versus the ambulance is

[1:37:12] different. I know I've had that question a couple times since we've uh received

[1:37:15] word that we got that. Um, just know that that's the purchase price uh listed

[1:37:21] there is just for the ambulance itself. It's not a cardiac monitor. It's not a

[1:37:24] stair chair. It's not the gurnie, the power loader. All that

[1:37:29] » fully fulfills the whole $600,000 that we were awarded. So,

[1:37:35] » so will you be able to use the balance for those other things you just

[1:37:39] mentioned? >> Yeah. Um when we when we applied for the

[1:37:42] grant um we included uh outfitting at all except for the basic medical gear

[1:37:47] which we have in stock at the station. Um but it's all for the big purchase

[1:37:51] items. >> Great. Outstanding.

[1:37:53] » So >> wonderful.

[1:37:57] » So it's basically an additional 50% just to outfit the uh

[1:38:04] » uh >> close to it.

[1:38:05] » It's close. >> I'm not going to lie. Yeah. Um we've

[1:38:08] seen a lot of price increases over the last couple years and so

[1:38:13] » when do you think we'll be able to put it into operation?

[1:38:17] » So um so that was the big that was one of the biggest things is the timeline on

[1:38:21] this uh it has to be operational. Everybody trained on it by September

[1:38:25] 30th of 2027. >> Um the uh the current one that we're

[1:38:30] looking at right now is will be built in April of next year and be delivered by

[1:38:36] August. Uh it's absolutely the quickest we can get it.

[1:38:39] » Um if we went for a custom build, we would be almost two and a half years out

[1:38:43] on an ambulance. So um this is what they call a demo unit. It's just kind of a

[1:38:48] cookie cutter box. Um but we did have one here and if it's a cookie cutter we

[1:38:54] get, I'm okay with that cookie. So >> um so yeah, we would receive it August

[1:39:00] 1st. Um uh it would be decal painted, everything would be installed and it

[1:39:05] would give us about 45 days to get people trained up. Uh it's quite a bit

[1:39:09] different than our current one where everything is switches uh in the new one

[1:39:12] everything is touchscreen. >> Oh.

[1:39:14] » So it's it's a training opportunity. So >> Right. Definitely.

[1:39:19] » And um you think the one we've got now is going to last that long?

[1:39:24] » Fingers crossed. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, it's got, like I

[1:39:28] think we talked last month, almost 300,000 miles on it and it's

[1:39:33] » 21 years old this year. So, for an ambulance, it's it's seen its days. So,

[1:39:40] » you're going to need a bigger garage. >> We could bring that back to city

[1:39:44] council, but [laughter]

[1:39:48] » there's the catch. >> There it is.

[1:39:51] » Grants aren't always the easiest thing to apply for. So, thank you for doing

[1:39:55] that on behalf of >> Absolutely. We use this uh program. It's

[1:39:59] called Funding Navigator and they helped us write this and back and forth. It

[1:40:03] probably took about two months to get this dialed in, but uh they have been a

[1:40:06] lifesaver for us. Great. >> So, yeah.

[1:40:09] » Wonderful. >> Awesome.

[1:40:10] » It's always worth spending money to get a whole lot more money.

[1:40:14] » Absolutely.

[1:40:18] » Definitely. >> Spencer, anything to add? No, I'm just

[1:40:22] This is excellent that we able to get the grant and uh because it's a really

[1:40:28] expensive thing for what we're trying to do, but I think this will be a great

[1:40:32] service our residents for a long time.

[1:40:38] » Any further comments, counselors? If not, I'll take a motion.

[1:40:43] » I move to authorize Is this a good time? All right.

[1:40:47] » Good. I move to authorize the city manager to execute a purchase agreement

[1:40:51] with True North Emergency Equipment for an ambulance in the amount of $416,467

[1:40:59] as outlined in the staff report and direct staff to complete any necessary

[1:41:05] budget action to recognize the grant revenue and related expenditure.

[1:41:09] » I'll second. >> Council Hanssboro and Councelor T.

[1:41:14] [clears throat] Montero. Any further discussion?

[1:41:17] All those in favor say I. >> I.

[1:41:20] » Any opposed? Motion carries. >> Thank you.

[1:41:23] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:41:25] » Yes. >> Excited. I want to ride in it on in the

[1:41:28] front. >> Yeah. [laughter]

[1:41:30] » Yeah. We don't want to be in the back. >> Next up,

[1:41:37] uh, ordinance 20267, ordinance adding chapter 97, parks and

[1:41:42] park facilities to the code. Spencer, any introduction?

[1:41:48] » Sure. This came up at a work session last time I think it was in April uh to

[1:41:53] get some initial direction from the council and uh we took your initial

[1:41:58] thoughts uh and the major policy questions to the parks committee to get

[1:42:04] uh their input and discussion. Um, so for our public, uh, just so they

[1:42:10] know, we don't, the city has never had a parks ordinance and so

[1:42:14] » where that comes, >> we have signs though,

[1:42:18] » right? And so if we ever [laughter] want to choose to enforce those signs,

[1:42:22] um, which isn't often, we need to have an ordinance. But I will say one of the

[1:42:26] areas that we consistently have problems have to do with parking lots in our

[1:42:31] parks. Um, we have lots of signs around the city that say no overnight parking.

[1:42:37] That's also difficult for a police officer driving by to determine what's

[1:42:42] overnight. If they're there from midnight to 3:00 a.m., is that overnight

[1:42:46] or it's a there's a lot of ways to argue it. And so, the cleaner thing is you

[1:42:52] can't be parking here between these hours. You pull up, you know, if if

[1:42:56] right or wrong. And we do, this is the time of year we do see some people

[1:43:00] setting up shop >> in estuary parking lot, cove parking lot

[1:43:04] and and elsewhere. And so this will help us put up clear signage that is also uh

[1:43:10] enforcable. >> Um and so we don't have that. That's why

[1:43:14] it's needed. Parks Committee reviewed it and uh

[1:43:20] approved or recommended approval of all the major policy issues you had already

[1:43:25] addressed and given some initial feedback on.

[1:43:29] Um those main uh so main approach here with the ordinance is that we have again

[1:43:36] kind of like our committees one baseline ordinance governing everything and then

[1:43:40] we can have um park specific rules and whatnot as determined. Generally we want

[1:43:47] them to be the consistent throughout the city police officer or anyone else

[1:43:51] doesn't have to think what's different about this one. usually be different if

[1:43:55] there's a different use of the park and there's good situations for that.

[1:44:01] Uh some of the the highlights of this is having our park hours. They're open from

[1:44:07] 5:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. Um parking lots would follow those same parking hours.

[1:44:13] And again, we can have different ones for other parking lots. you know, for

[1:44:17] example, I don't and uh the what we traditionally call the convention center

[1:44:22] parking lot, the downtown parking lot isn't really associated with the park,

[1:44:26] but um let's say the one at 12th Avenue is, there might be a good reason why

[1:44:32] that one with access to the beach would have different hours. Um, sometimes the

[1:44:38] um the clamming

[1:44:42] opens up earlier than 5:00 a.m. and people are going out. Um, although other

[1:44:47] otherwise downtown parking, there are businesses that are open past 11 p.m.

[1:44:52] and we don't want people to not be able to stay because the parking lot's

[1:44:57] closed. And so those are some situations where we might have uh different hours.

[1:45:01] Um, but otherwise, these are what the hours would be.

[1:45:06] Um the recommendation is that we prohibit smoking, vaping, any tobacco

[1:45:12] and marijuana use in city parks. Um generally speaking, if there's a need to

[1:45:18] specify a designated area that the ordinance does allow us to do that.

[1:45:25] Um, dogs must be on leash and uh unless they're in a designated uh area such as

[1:45:32] a dog park and uh following public comment, the leash must be under the

[1:45:38] physical control over the handler and then protections in place for service

[1:45:43] animals. Um, we do the ordinance does allow uh

[1:45:50] for event reservations and private res reservations. We don't have that set up.

[1:45:54] Now, this ordinance doesn't necessarily create that, but it creates the

[1:45:58] opportunity if we want to begin having a pavilion

[1:46:02] uh reservation program. We can generally speaking, if there isn't a great need, I

[1:46:07] prefer to do it as a first come, first serve, but things change and this would

[1:46:12] allow us to create a policy for that at a future date.

[1:46:17] Commercial activity, generally speaking, it's prohibited unless you have

[1:46:21] authorization. So, um, authorization could come through a permitted event

[1:46:27] through the city, some sort of license agreement or other permit or something

[1:46:31] like that. [snorts] Um, as an example, um,

[1:46:36] uh, what is a good example? Uh, let's say someone wanted to do a

[1:46:42] yoga class in the park. It's one thing to have a group of people come together

[1:46:46] and do a yoga class. Someone wants to teach a private class in the park,

[1:46:50] that's a different thing. they're running their business. And so if that

[1:46:53] were to come up, we would want there to be uh an approved process. Uh so when we

[1:47:00] do and don't allow, do they have insurance? You know, things like that.

[1:47:04] Uh and so um it's allowed and as those come up, we can either address them

[1:47:10] through our current processes or create new ones if if one hasn't been um

[1:47:15] created. Uh no fireworks allowed in the parks and

[1:47:22] uh based on the feedback from the fire department, they don't want any open

[1:47:26] fires, open flames with the exception of propane grills that are meant

[1:47:30] specifically for that.

[1:47:34] Those are the major changes or not changes, those are the

[1:47:39] major items in here. And so if you're ready, here's the motion for a first and

[1:47:43] an optional second reading. I'm happy to take any questions.

[1:47:50] Council Evansboro, you have any questions?

[1:47:54] » I like the consistency. I like keeping things regular and and so that they're

[1:48:00] right there and there's no real question about uh how to implement these things.

[1:48:05] Um are we going to be changing any of the signs in any of these parking lots

[1:48:10] to reflect these new hours? >> Yeah, for sure. uh the that will we'll

[1:48:15] we'll we've already begun a kind of assigned inventory of what our parks and

[1:48:19] parking lots say and so based on this they'll probably be updated as needed.

[1:48:26] » Um for sure anything outdated or inaccurate would be removed and areas

[1:48:31] that we know are problematic areas we would want to ensure signage is up.

[1:48:37] Everything in between um we'll go through and see what's really needed.

[1:48:42] » Thank you. That's it.

[1:48:44] » The um I missed um allowing the public to say anything. Anybody out there have

[1:48:49] a comment?

[1:48:53] » State your name. >> Sheamus McVey. Uh I just want to ask for

[1:48:58] clarification because I didn't follow a particular example given in the prior

[1:49:04] slide to this one on uh commercial activities. In the example, uh, city

[1:49:10] manager Kyle, you said if somebody wanted to have a yoga class, uh, that

[1:49:16] would be permissible. Um, however, if you wanted to teach a yoga class, then

[1:49:22] you might need a different thing. And and I think I'm confused on the

[1:49:26] difference between >> commerce

[1:49:28] » teaching a yoga class >> and having a yoga class.

[1:49:33] » I think is is it >> charging for the commerce? Okay. If it's

[1:49:38] a free yoga class, then it's okay. If it's a

[1:49:41] » if you're if you're operating your business in the city park,

[1:49:45] » then there needs to be an authorized process.

[1:49:47] » If it's just people getting together to recreate, then it wouldn't be

[1:49:52] » uh that would just be permitted outright.

[1:49:54] » So, the formality level then, >> I think it's if you're charging for it

[1:49:58] or not. >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:50:03] » Anybody else?

[1:50:07] Okay. Councelor Montero. T- Monontto. >> T- Monontto. Yes. Um the most egregious

[1:50:15] instances that I've seen have always been at um uh the Estuary Park and

[1:50:22] they've uh always been either campers or RVs. Um we don't specify campers or RVs

[1:50:30] in your definition of motor vehicles. I would like to add that I know that we've

[1:50:36] got some ordinances that are very old that uh we've not been able to do some

[1:50:42] things we need to do because um they didn't say trailers or motor homes or

[1:50:49] you know this kind of thing for for some other items. So, I' I'd like us to be

[1:50:55] specific on campers, RVs, and motor homes

[1:50:59] because that's that's who I see down there most of the time.

[1:51:03] » Yeah, I can I I can I can that's easy to include. The one thing I will say is

[1:51:09] with a park closure, it doesn't matter what it is.

[1:51:13] » I understand, but if we, you know, if we don't include in the definition,

[1:51:18] somebody can always dispute it. Um the other thing is that um again at the

[1:51:26] estuary park what I see a lot of is people uh parking and take and parking

[1:51:32] laterally instead of heading in and so they're taking up two or three parking

[1:51:37] spots. And so I'd like to make sure that we have something that says you can't do

[1:51:45] that. >> I think uh and I'll check on that and

[1:51:48] you brought it to my attention previously. I think our traffic code

[1:51:52] probably already it's already >> against the rules to do that.

[1:51:57] » Um that being said, at the estuary we don't have striped parking and so um

[1:52:02] we'd probably address that with signage at that location because otherwise I

[1:52:08] think there are likely already existing laws on the books that say you can't,

[1:52:13] you know, take up multiple parking spaces or something like that. So

[1:52:17] whether you're a trailer parking sideways or a

[1:52:22] » car >> luxury vehicle that doesn't want any

[1:52:25] dings and parks in the middle of two parking spaces, either one would be a

[1:52:30] violation, >> right? Um you also uh say you can't

[1:52:35] vape, smoke, etc., etc. Do you need to include um the uh consumption of

[1:52:41] alcohol? I think that's addressed. Well, it's not

[1:52:46] addressed because the council direction was not to include it. That was the

[1:52:51] council direction was we didn't want it didn't seem to be a problem. So, we

[1:52:55] didn't want to uh >> restrict it.

[1:52:58] » You restrict it. And so, if it becomes an issue, then we would address it then.

[1:53:03] But, uh I think if I recall, the direction was let's not create a more

[1:53:08] restrictive law where it hasn't been a problem. And then if somebody has a

[1:53:13] permit or a reservation to use part of the park or the the uh cooking area,

[1:53:20] does that limit the use of that area by anybody else?

[1:53:26] » Yeah. So, we don't have a process for that, but certainly, let's say, um,

[1:53:31] Seaside Kids wants to do T-ball at Cartwright Park, like they do, um, we

[1:53:37] would have a process for that. So they could reserve that and then they would

[1:53:41] yeah they would have exclusive right to um use that for their T-ball programming

[1:53:47] as an example. Um certainly I could see this when we build the north 40 and we

[1:53:52] have more program sports happening there that there will be a pretty robust you

[1:53:57] know reservation system and uh if you reserve it then you are able to have

[1:54:03] exclusive access but we haven't created any of that and so um

[1:54:10] at the time when we wish to start doing uh implementing process like that we

[1:54:14] would put um all that together in terms of a uh rental policy, reservation

[1:54:21] policy. >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:54:27] » Do you have any thoughts on what that process would look like as far as a

[1:54:31] reservation system and is that something you're planning on managing?

[1:54:35] » We're not planning on doing it right now. I think right now we have a first

[1:54:38] come, first serve and it works well. Um, mostly what we have is, uh, when

[1:54:44] anyone's trying to hold an event or something, um, we have our event

[1:54:49] permitting process. And I think that's typically how we would handle it. Now,

[1:54:54] um, I don't think we have, um, a big demand for pavilion rentals.

[1:54:59] If we did, we'd probably look at some sort of online resource. Um, it's also

[1:55:04] very possible that this may there may be an opportunity to partner with Sunset

[1:55:10] Empire on some of the online registration they have and work with

[1:55:13] them on parks reservations. U, that's something I've Skyler and I have, you

[1:55:19] know, had brief discussions about, but nothing nothing serious. I think more

[1:55:24] likely we'd cross that bridge when we get there.

[1:55:27] » And as far as specific park rules, what is that process going to look like?

[1:55:33] Um I think as we identify specific parks that need exceptions or something

[1:55:40] different um that would be a good job and I think I've already kind of briefly

[1:55:45] suggested to the parks committee this would be a good uh assignment for them

[1:55:50] would be to go through each of the parks and say okay what exceptions are here or

[1:55:55] what special rules need to apply here and that uh we would bring that back and

[1:56:01] um I think that we would implement those through uh not necessarily in the

[1:56:06] ordinance but through um a resolution. Uh either that or it's possible on some

[1:56:13] things that staff can handle it alone on some of the signage and whatnot. Um, but

[1:56:17] I think we'd have them do some of the initial work of canvasing our parks and

[1:56:23] uh coming up with that list of um uh ideas of what parks need something a

[1:56:30] little bit different than the governing policy.

[1:56:33] » Some of that work happened right Nancy during uh the time when we came up with

[1:56:38] all the signs because not all the signs are the same for every park. So again,

[1:56:43] we've got the cart before the horse in some cases, but some of that work's been

[1:56:48] done.

[1:56:53] Either one. Any comments? >> Go ahead, Chris.

[1:56:55] » I appreciate that you took the previous comments um and made the adjustments and

[1:57:03] in particular the restriction around the open container because I think that was

[1:57:06] an important one for residents. So appreciate that as well as the parks

[1:57:10] committee reviewing it and giving their blessing. So I'm good.

[1:57:15] » Well, this was before my time and I can't say thank you enough. It's about

[1:57:19] time that this is being solidified. Um I have a couple questions.

[1:57:26] So if I understand right, you're saying that yes, if you wanted to have a beer

[1:57:30] in the park and you're over 21, you can do it because it's not a problem. Okay.

[1:57:34] So, has has the the vaping and the smoking and the whatever whatever become

[1:57:41] a problem? Because I notice on some of the signs

[1:57:44] right now, Goodman Park, it says no smoking within 20 10 or 20 ft of

[1:57:49] building. So, was there a problem that this all of a

[1:57:55] sudden is a solution for? >> I uh I'm not aware of any problems. I do

[1:58:00] think more and more um most cities that have adopted rules

[1:58:05] in the last 25 years or so are leaning towards um no no smoking, no tobacco use

[1:58:14] uh for a number of reasons. One is so it's not around other people. Often it's

[1:58:19] so it's not around children or an enticement for teens and stuff like

[1:58:23] that. Um, I would say that's the uh that would be what I sense is the general

[1:58:30] direction for most cities. I think that's um a pretty

[1:58:36] standard rule from every park I've seen. >> Okay. I was just wondering on that. Um,

[1:58:43] so let's see. I I want to rent a space at Broadway Park. Is there going to be a

[1:58:49] QR code on that sign that'll take me to the city so I can make a reservation?

[1:58:55] » Right now, no, because we uh are not we're this ordinance makes it possible

[1:59:00] in the future if we want to have reservation program, we can at that time

[1:59:04] we would we would we could put something together, but this ordinance itself

[1:59:08] doesn't do that >> in general or even just contact in

[1:59:11] general. If I had questions about a park or Yeah. whatever. Uh,

[1:59:16] we can put signs in there. I would, uh, that if you have questions about the

[1:59:20] park, you can contact city hall or something like that. I think that

[1:59:23] happens naturally already, though. >> Yeah. Well, that's what I was thinking.

[1:59:25] QR code might just make it simpler. Um, so the reservation processes to follow

[1:59:30] down the road. So, to uh, piggy back on uh, uh, counselor T. Montero's note,

[1:59:38] Nanakum, as we know from um, uh, 1st to 12th. Mhm.

[1:59:45] » And will we be be putting up uh the parking hour signs there as well?

[1:59:49] » So that that one is not covered under this code because this code is covering

[1:59:53] parking lots associated with a park. That is the parking regulations that

[2:00:00] exist in our traffic code and parking code which is a different chapter. And

[2:00:04] so those are not a part of this. Um, I am aware that there are some updated

[2:00:10] signs that are likely needed, but not necessarily associated with this

[2:00:14] ordinance. >> And I do support the parking space

[2:00:17] striping at at Estuary Park. >> And that is it. And thank you for doing

[2:00:23] all the work here on this policy. I appreciate it.

[2:00:29] » I uh don't really have any other questions. Um, the one thing I thought

[2:00:34] of was what if somebody is in their car smoking? U

[2:00:41] whether the windows are up or down, I don't care. But basically, is that

[2:00:45] covered under our ordinance. >> I think by strict interpretation, uh,

[2:00:50] that would not be permitted. That being said, there is what's allowed and what's

[2:00:55] not allowed and there is what the police are going to do.

[2:00:58] » What they're going to do. Yes. And so >> so I don't propose changing anything for

[2:01:03] that. [clears throat] The uh and the other thing to note is

[2:01:07] that marijuana use already prohibited outdoors. So we're just reiterating that

[2:01:13] » some of this will also be I mean there's the rule and there's how we communicate

[2:01:18] it through signage and other other things like that. And a couple of my

[2:01:23] neighbors specifically asked I at least mention this that um

[2:01:29] the one about dogs being on a leash at all times except where specifically

[2:01:35] designated Cartrite Park has a place where people like to throw the ball and

[2:01:40] let their dog chase it and they're off the leash. They're away from people. So,

[2:01:45] um they hope that whoever decides that will decide that that is a designated

[2:01:50] spot and some of the other parks are big enough to do that as well. So,

[2:01:57] okay. Um and that was Yeah. The other comment um you know we

[2:02:06] um councelor T. Montero wanted to add RVs more spec specificity

[2:02:13] for motor vehicles just make sure that we don't run a foul of anything that

[2:02:18] we're trying to define motor vehicle that the state may say something

[2:02:22] different about. I wouldn't think they would, but uh we want to be careful with

[2:02:26] that. Okay.

[2:02:30] May I have a motion? If that's all the comments,

[2:02:34] » I move for a first reading of ordinance number 2026-07

[2:02:38] by title only. >> A second.

[2:02:41] » Councelor Baker. Uh, Council President Morrisy. All those in favor say I.

[2:02:46] » I. >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Spencer.

[2:02:51] Ordinance 2026-07 an ordinance adding chapter 97 parks and

[2:02:57] park facilities to the seaside municipal code in establishing rules for the use

[2:03:02] of for the use of city parks, parks facilities, and park associated parking

[2:03:06] areas. >> Thank you. That be on our next uh

[2:03:11] agenda. Wow.

[2:03:16] One hour in and we got through the regular agenda

[2:03:19] » record. [laughter] >> Yeah.

[2:03:21] I thought that might take longer. City staff, anybody else?

[2:03:29] » Actually, [laughter] um

[2:03:32] when can we expect to get some sort of report on um all of the Fourth of July

[2:03:37] activity?

[2:03:45] We'll uh I'll talk in our department at meeting tomorrow and we'll see what's

[2:03:50] left to gather and what we'll take to put it all together and and uh we'll put

[2:03:55] it on an upcoming um agenda. >> Thank you.

[2:04:07] » Sorry, I just got one more uh from Chief Daniels. Um, so over the last couple

[2:04:12] weeks, um, we had the honor of being deployed on wildfires.

[2:04:16] » Um, I just returned today with my crew, uh, that was out. We were gone for 14

[2:04:22] days, uh, Sumpter, Oregon, Milton, Free Water, and then into Primeville. Um, but

[2:04:27] just kind of an update on that. Um, division chief Dave Rankin is still

[2:04:30] deployed with the OSFM red team as a division supervisor. He's on, I'm going

[2:04:35] to mispronounce it, the Aawa fire outside his sister's organ. and he's

[2:04:39] been he should um he's currently I think set to wrap up his 14-day deployment on

[2:04:46] Thursday. Um we do have a crew over in on the Hagen fire outside of Milton

[2:04:53] Freewater. Um the primary or the preliminary word is they're going to do

[2:04:58] demob tomorrow morning. They timed out on Saturday, but after 11 days, it

[2:05:01] sounds like they're going to come home in the morning. And then this afternoon,

[2:05:05] three and a half hours after my crew got home, we deployed another team and they

[2:05:10] headed to the Grasshopper fire in Wasco County. Uh that includes Chief Daniels,

[2:05:13] division chief Jennese Dennis and two one of our career staffs and one of our

[2:05:17] part or interns. >> Um I know talking with the OSFM team

[2:05:22] overheads. Um so far I think they've deployed 35 uh task forces um so far

[2:05:29] this year. Um it's uh reflecting of the 2020 wildfire wildfire seasons which was

[2:05:35] one of the worst in the Oregon history. Um with the 18% snow pack this year, uh

[2:05:39] they expected to get uh worse somewhere not even in August yet. So I just want

[2:05:44] to give you guys that update that we do have crews out. Uh we are covering

[2:05:47] everything at home and we appreciate everybody's support.

[2:05:51] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[2:05:52] » I think I read that we're over a million acres are on fire now. Jeez Louise.

[2:05:58] » [snorts]

[2:06:04] » John, anything?

[2:06:10] » I asked him to uh give us an update on what's required for the upcoming

[2:06:16] elections. >> Put my glasses on for that.

[2:06:20] since every one of us is uh or at least our positions whether you're all running

[2:06:27] or not. I I am I'm on the ballot now. Um make sure that the dates are you're all

[2:06:33] aware of that. Keep in mind that the uh the one term the one position for ward

[2:06:40] uh three is going to be by appointment. That's the only way we can fill that.

[2:06:47] Kim. >> Yes. So, all of this information is on

[2:06:52] the city's website or you're welcome to call me. Uh I will help you uh go

[2:06:59] through everything that you need to do as far as if you would like to run for a

[2:07:02] position for the city. Right now you have positions that are filled by for

[2:07:07] instance um Robin Monttero is in ward

[2:07:13] uh >> one two

[2:07:14] » two one and two excuse me at large Christine Baker is at ward one Seth

[2:07:21] Morrisy is at ward three and four at large you have Mayor Wright's position

[2:07:27] mayor uh TA Montero's position ward two is

[2:07:31] open and Um and uh Patrick Annsboro um he his

[2:07:39] position is open actually for Ward 4. So W three is the only position that's not

[2:07:45] open as far as for elections. It's only you can apply but it's for the city

[2:07:49] council. So, all of these positions are open and

[2:07:55] even though Patrick, Teta, the mayor, Seth, Christine, and Robin all sit in

[2:08:01] those seats, they're all open for anybody to apply.

[2:08:05] Um, the application process is actually very

[2:08:11] easy. You just fill out one sheet, you come in and get that approved, and then

[2:08:15] you can go out and you just get 20 signatures. And that's really what it

[2:08:19] entails. The deadline for that actually elections opened on June 3, 2026.

[2:08:26] The last day for a local elected incumbent, for instance, Teta, the

[2:08:32] mayor, Seth, all are incumbents. They were um elected by the people of the

[2:08:38] city of Seaside. They all will get their applications in if they so choose to

[2:08:44] rerun by August 18th at the latest. That's their deadline, a week before

[2:08:50] everybody else. August 25th would be for Robin, for Christine, and for Patrick

[2:08:58] and for anybody else that runs for elections outside of um the council.

[2:09:05] And so I would just like to see some people get some applications in and

[2:09:10] let's just have a great election year. So if you have any questions, you can

[2:09:14] come and see me um or it's on the website. You can go and review that.

[2:09:19] Call me and I'll talk you through everything. Just I'm here to to help to

[2:09:24] get people running for the city of Seaside that are interested.

[2:09:28] » Okay. And you actually strongly encourage

[2:09:33] people to get them in at least two weeks earlier in those dates if you can

[2:09:38] because they need to be ver the signatures need to be verified by the

[2:09:43] county. And uh even though you know they look

[2:09:47] fine to you, the county may not agree with you. So uh get it done as soon as

[2:09:52] you can uh so Kim can get it to the county clerk.

[2:10:00] Okay,

[2:10:04] Spencer. >> The only thing I think I'd add to that

[2:10:08] is uh for our vacancy on W three, I just encourage our council, you're the

[2:10:13] biggest champions of the city and I think where we haven't had a lot of

[2:10:18] interest in applications, um our best bet is going to be through

[2:10:23] direct recruitment. So, be thinking about people that you know that live in

[2:10:27] Ward 3 and reach out to them, encourage them. I think oftent times people

[2:10:34] wouldn't normally consider it, but if they're approached and someone says, "I

[2:10:37] think you'd be really good at this," it motivates them to consider it. Um, and

[2:10:43] I'd say the same for any of those who you think are influential in the

[2:10:47] community to do the same. But I think uh I don't think Ward 3 will be filled just

[2:10:53] by biting our time. I think [cough] it's

[2:10:56] going to take some uh some recruitment and this is one area where I will stay

[2:11:01] completely out of it. Part of my code of ethics is I don't get involved in that

[2:11:07] kind of stuff. So we did place on the city's website an election page that's

[2:11:12] uh encouraging people to consider it and just has information on there. Um but

[2:11:17] when it comes to individuals, that's where I will let you all do it. Um but

[2:11:22] certainly um the success of our future council will be really the makeup of

[2:11:28] seven individuals. So to the extent you're able to recruit someone that

[2:11:31] would be great on our council, um that will go a long way and who also serve

[2:11:36] those residents in W three. So just encourage you to be thinking about that

[2:11:40] and uh reaching out to those who you think could also be influential in

[2:11:45] getting others to consider it. >> Thank you.

[2:11:51] Council bro. >> Yes sir.

[2:11:57] » Counselor comments. >> Okay.

[2:12:01] Uh, first of all, I want to thank our police officers, firefighters, EMS

[2:12:06] crews, dispatchers, tow truck operators, and everyone who responded to the two

[2:12:11] serious accidents our community experienced this past week. Uh, I happen

[2:12:16] to be caught in the traffic from both of those accidents. So, I understand how

[2:12:20] frustrating it can be when traffic slows down to a crawl or comes to a complete

[2:12:25] stop for hours. I know people had places to go, places to be, jobs to get at. Um,

[2:12:31] it's in those moments it's easy for frustration to take over. Unfortunately,

[2:12:37] impatience can lead to unsafe decisions that create additional hazards for the

[2:12:42] very people who are working to help. The next time you find yourself stopped

[2:12:46] in a traffic because of an accident, I invite you to take a deep breath, say a

[2:12:52] prayer, uh or simply send a kind thought to those involved and remember that um

[2:12:59] how fortunate you are that it isn't you, your family member or a friend that's

[2:13:05] involved in that. Hopefully, a little perspective and a little gratitude can

[2:13:10] go a long way for all of us. Uh moving to uh the community here. Uh

[2:13:17] Seaside's newest mural was unveiled at a ribbon cutting ceremony. Uh and it was

[2:13:24] created by Casey McMman and assisted by Seaside High School student Kennedy

[2:13:30] Clumper. And I got a chance to meet her family. And they are so proud of you,

[2:13:35] Kennedy. They are really proud of me. Express that a lot. Um and they should

[2:13:40] be. Uh you can find this awesome work of art located at the facilities building

[2:13:44] in the public parking lot at Ocean Way behind the carousel mall.

[2:13:50] Uh parks advisory committee. We have a large number we are blessed to have a

[2:13:55] large number of parks and a variety of parks in our seaside community. So I

[2:14:01] would recommend that people reach out to the visitors center for a list and then

[2:14:05] go for a walk. Uh the Japanese have a term for being in nature and it's called

[2:14:11] forest bathing and it's very good to get out into the forest or into uh the

[2:14:18] public areas uh of na and nature and just breathe that in. It's good for the

[2:14:25] soul and it's good for your physical being. I uh I also had an opportunity to

[2:14:32] go to a church picnic. I haven't been to a church picnic in a long time. And this

[2:14:37] was uh Reverend Sarah Kit and the Calvary Exper uh Episcopal Church. They

[2:14:42] were hosting a picnic uh with uh cool music by uh Secats jazz band and they do

[2:14:48] that on a regular basis. So if you get an opportunity and you want to go listen

[2:14:53] some good music uh put on uh check out the Episcopal Calvary Episcopal Church.

[2:14:59] Um, so my ward updates, um, the Vista Ridge project. To my constituents in

[2:15:06] Ward 4, please continue to make your voices heard about this project. Be safe

[2:15:12] and stay within the law when you document, video, and take photos of the

[2:15:16] project's progress and uh, its impact to the neighborhood. Just, you know, bring

[2:15:22] your voices to the table here. Uh, Pacific Power LED replacement project.

[2:15:28] If you have thoughts or questions, we'd love to hear them. Please submit your

[2:15:32] public comments to city hall and uh yes, um we talked about the fluoride earlier

[2:15:39] and um I support Seth bringing that and hopefully we'll get that on the agenda.

[2:15:45] And if you have any uh input with regards to fluoride, please uh do it uh

[2:15:51] politely and fact-based and submit your public comments to the city hall.

[2:15:56] All right. And then the city uh the coffee with the counselor is going to be

[2:16:00] on Zoom this time and I'm going to check with Kim. August 8th, right? It's the

[2:16:06] second Saturday. Thank you. [laughter] Uh August 8th, 9:15 to 10:15. Please see

[2:16:12] the city's website for the Zoom invitation. Uh we can chat from the you

[2:16:16] can chat from the comfort of your own favorite chair while your cat walks

[2:16:20] across your keyboard. That's just fine. Uh or something similar. Uh bring your

[2:16:26] ideas. bring your challenges, bring your solutions. Uh I look forward to seeing

[2:16:30] you all virtually. And then um just want you to remember

[2:16:36] that um every council meeting is about projects, budgets, and decisions, but at

[2:16:42] the end of the day, it's really about our community. It's really about people.

[2:16:46] If each of us leaves here looking for one small way to make our neighborhood a

[2:16:52] little bit better this week, those little things add up pretty quickly. So

[2:16:57] until next time, please be kind to each other, be prepared, and take care of one

[2:17:02] another. Thank you.

[2:17:10] First thing I want to do is um thank our our u firefighting people. Um I have

[2:17:17] family in Primeville and um they were ready to evacuate.

[2:17:23] Um it's scary to think about what happens

[2:17:29] and we know that you are um keeping us safe here.

[2:17:36] So, um, it's I think it's hard sometimes to loan you out and what we all need to

[2:17:45] realize is that you're putting your lives in danger for so many people and

[2:17:52] we really appreciate it. Definitely.

[2:17:56] Um, okay. My committees, the tree board met

[2:18:02] um on July 15th. We did not have a quorum so we had a

[2:18:07] discussion. Um the community center commission will meet on August 5th and

[2:18:14] we finally uh have a quorum on that commission. So hopefully we will be able

[2:18:20] to conduct some business. So that's at the community center at 10:00 a.m. on

[2:18:24] the 5th. Um, my coffee with a counselor is on

[2:18:29] August 12th at 10:00 a.m. at the Ocean Cafe at the Best Western at 4th and

[2:18:35] Prom. On July 20th, um, the uh, Mechanicum

[2:18:42] Watershed Council had their second meeting regarding project that they want

[2:18:48] to do regarding Thompson Creek. um because of there's a lot of flooding

[2:18:53] along Thompson Creek. They gave another presentation to um uh a group of

[2:19:00] residents and they have they presented three options for um helping the

[2:19:07] situation at Thompson Creek. And I think now they're going on to um uh price out

[2:19:15] or uh I can't remember the the word they use, but to spec out uh at least one of

[2:19:23] those options to see if it would work. And it it sounds like um they have an

[2:19:29] option to do nothing, an option to do something halfway, and an option to do a

[2:19:35] big change. And what's interesting to hear is that the big change would cost

[2:19:41] less than doing the halfway change. And um it it's very interesting to talk with

[2:19:47] them about that. So I'm looking forward to seeing um more about that. And I

[2:19:54] think that's it for me. One thing at the uh community center is

[2:20:00] that I notice uh Paul that he has um started the drain work for the mini lake

[2:20:07] that was out there. So thank you very much for that.

[2:20:11] » Yes. >> T uh our monto counselor.

[2:20:19] Um, first of [clears throat] all, I'd like to uh echo exactly what Teta said

[2:20:24] because her relatives are my relatives over in Primeville and we just keep our

[2:20:30] fingers crossed and thank you. Um, first of all, let's say orientation as a city

[2:20:37] councelor getting behind the desk, if you will, was a an absolute gas. I had a

[2:20:44] wonderful time with every department head and appreciate their time that they

[2:20:48] spent with me and their expertise. I loved every minute of it and I now keep

[2:20:54] a pair of boots in the back of my car at all times.

[2:20:58] Uh let's see. Um, I got to meet with uh Director Stall at the transportation

[2:21:06] advisory uh committee and councelor Bicker was there with me and it it was

[2:21:12] wonderful. Um, Paul had brought forward the plan the uh parking plan for Avenue

[2:21:20] U and the prom. There were a few uh minor tweaks, but it's it's going to

[2:21:26] happen. It's going to happen and I'm looking forward to serving on that

[2:21:30] committee. Had a great time. I love asphalt. What can I say? Um I am

[2:21:37] announcing my candidacy for the general election in November.

[2:21:42] Uh collecting signatures as we speak and I will be having conversation with

[2:21:49] the counselor on Thursday, August 6th at um 10:00 a.m. at the Seaside Coffee

[2:21:55] House. and thank you.

[2:22:02] » Okay. Um, we have a social event this week on

[2:22:08] Wednesday from 4 to 6 for the villages project. I've talked about it many

[2:22:14] times. Quick reminder, it's a grassroots effort to create a village here in

[2:22:19] Seaside to help older adults age in their homes and to give support to the

[2:22:26] elderly in our community. So, if you are interested in a little bit of fun bingo

[2:22:32] um and just learning more about what the villages are and what we're trying to

[2:22:36] do, it's going to be at the Cavalry Episcopal Church 503 Holiday on

[2:22:42] Wednesday. Thank you to Reverend Sarah. She's hosting um from 4 to 6. So would

[2:22:47] love to see people there and there will be snacks. Um

[2:22:53] I also am super excited about the Avenue U paving project. I think um it's just

[2:23:00] going to be fabulous for that area and especially for the people that leverage

[2:23:06] that area to get out to the beach on the Moby Mats. So, I'm just super grateful

[2:23:11] to Paul and Public Works and everybody who's getting that going. What I do

[2:23:15] think I heard is that it's going to be completed before the salt makers

[2:23:19] hopefully mayor. So, >> that's the plan. Um,

[2:23:26] let's see. I have my coffee on August 1st, Saturday morning, 9:00 Seaside Golf

[2:23:32] Course. Would love to have you there. And then lastly, um I'm wondering one

[2:23:39] thing I've been wanting to talk about, uh perhaps during a workshop, so I'm

[2:23:43] wondering if anyone wants to join me, but I would like to see a review of our

[2:23:49] entire capital project list. We did look at it during the budget process. I have

[2:23:56] uh a lot of concern over the infrastructure in our city and I want to

[2:24:02] make sure we are doing what we can to support

[2:24:05] um city staff in prioritizing and funding and making sure all of that is

[2:24:11] um where it needs to be. So I would like to see a review of that at one of our

[2:24:17] workshops. >> Anyone interested?

[2:24:19] » I think we can manage that. >> Got it. Okay. try to have maybe a

[2:24:24] quarterly report just where we're at later on in the budget.

[2:24:29] » That'd be great. >> And lastly, there is some community

[2:24:33] enthusiasm around moving the Statue of Liberty

[2:24:39] uh over to Seltzer Park, thinking that it would go with the theme that exists

[2:24:46] uh veterans kind of theme and uh would be a good place to relocate the Statue

[2:24:51] of Liberty. So, point of order, how would one go about making that

[2:24:57] recommendation?

[2:25:02] » I don't know that many [clears throat] people even know about this little

[2:25:06] Statue of Liberty we have. It is a city um owned piece of uh statuary. It's

[2:25:14] about 5t tall, something like that, mounted right now on a pallet if I

[2:25:20] remember right. It had been at the museum just for the Fourth of July for a

[2:25:25] few years. Um, I would I don't [clears throat]

[2:25:30] think the council will care. I think maybe we should ask the parks committee

[2:25:35] to get their approval and uh bring it back to us.

[2:25:39] » Okay. >> And by approval, you meant

[2:25:41] recommendation. >> Recommendation. [laughter]

[2:25:44] Recommendation. >> How tall is this thing?

[2:25:46] » About 5t. >> Yeah, it's very green.

[2:25:50] very green. Um, yeah, there's a whole story about it. Um, the, uh, if I

[2:25:57] remember right, Ken over at the visitor center has the the actual artist name.

[2:26:03] It was a guy that did this for many states. I mean, he sent them all over.

[2:26:09] So, it's one of many.

[2:26:14] » The museum used it as a photo op. We placed it right next to our sign. So

[2:26:20] when people took pictures, there you go. >> So parks committee add, please add that

[2:26:26] to your agenda. That would be fabulous. >> You got a uh

[2:26:29] » Oh, yes. >> Council le theison on there.

[2:26:31] » Asison. Thank you. >> Thank you. And lastly, I'm just going to

[2:26:36] triple quadruple echo the thanks to the fire department and um for helping out

[2:26:42] everybody in our community. Ditto.

[2:26:47] All right. Council Ansbro mentioned it, but thanks everyone for participating in

[2:26:51] the city water flidation conversation. I believe this is an important public

[2:26:56] policy that deserves a bigger discussion and I'm excited this council is going to

[2:27:00] finally make that happen. Uh TAC meeting July 15th. The discussion was mainly

[2:27:05] focused on tourism grants and we also got a recap of the marketing campaign to

[2:27:11] try to discourage illegal fireworks on the fort. So, it's very interesting to

[2:27:14] see everything they went through to try to make that happen. And obviously, we

[2:27:18] didn't do a perfect job, but I think we did make some progress. Uh, there is a

[2:27:22] new woman's shower at the cove. This has been a project that we've been working

[2:27:25] on, I don't know, maybe someone would know more than me. How many years? Five,

[2:27:30] 10. It's been a long time. >> Five maybe.

[2:27:32] » Yeah, it's been in public in the public works.

[2:27:36] » Seven. >> He says seven. So, [laughter] yeah. So,

[2:27:38] it's exciting to finally see that installed. And I know a lot of the

[2:27:42] especially female surfers really appreciate that having their own little

[2:27:46] area. So I don't know if it's just a woman's shower or if it's for everybody,

[2:27:49] but it is a separate show. >> Yeah, it's a separate shower. So

[2:27:53] » actually soft station.

[2:27:56] » Okay. >> Where we're going to have a group

[2:27:57] shower. >> Okay.

[2:28:00] » Um and then uh as far as my future as a city councelor,

[2:28:04] » I did pick up a packet today. I'm not 100% certain what the future will hold

[2:28:08] for me, but I got to speak to the family and try to make that final decision very

[2:28:12] soon. But with that being said, I just want to encourage anyone out there

[2:28:16] that's considering serving to reach out to Kim. She doesn't bite. She's very

[2:28:20] friendly and she will walk you through the entire process.

[2:28:24] Uh coffee with the council president, Tuesday, August 4th, 9:15 a.m. Seaside

[2:28:29] coffee house. Thank you. followed by the mayors. People come to

[2:28:35] his, they don't stick around for mine. >> Oh, come on.

[2:28:40] » Um, I'm always and always have been amazed

[2:28:44] by uh the fire department this time of year when so many people are out across

[2:28:52] the state and sometime other states and yet we still have great service here as

[2:28:58] well. So, all of our our staff and volunteers are just amazing.

[2:29:05] We appreciate all that they do. Um, I attended Tom Horning's um

[2:29:12] memorial, I guess, um, at North Coast Land Conservancy a week, two weeks ago,

[2:29:19] and it was it was amazing. Um, heard a lot of great stories. I didn't think I

[2:29:25] was going to be able to make it, but I'm really glad that um things worked out

[2:29:29] that I could. >> A lot of things coming up. Um volleyball

[2:29:35] week is um next week. >> The week after, well, not this week, but

[2:29:41] next week. Yeah. Um, I happen to be attending the OMA,

[2:29:46] the mayor's conference that week, so we can all go and talk about our councils

[2:29:51] and our city managers and our staff. Yeah. No, it's a great time for mayors

[2:29:57] just to go and and you know, everybody you're talking to is another mayor and

[2:30:01] can uh share things with you that um are sometimes a little easier when it's

[2:30:06] mayor. Uh but on the 7th uh our local regional small cities meeting happens.

[2:30:14] Um so I'm hoping that somebody from Seaside will be able to attend that.

[2:30:19] It'd be down in Bay City. I'll be giving you homework for the last half of August

[2:30:24] when we don't have a meeting. Uh we need to determine our top five priorities for

[2:30:29] the League of Oregon Cities uh lobbyists for the 2027 session that's coming up.

[2:30:35] Uh this is one case while I will uh actually I'll have Kim print the entire

[2:30:42] uh 20 pages or so out and give to you because this is the kind of thing where

[2:30:47] you need to make notes and look at everything on there. We will come back

[2:30:52] probably on the first meeting in September and hold a vote and determine

[2:30:59] what Seaside thinks the LOC board should support.

[2:31:05] Um, we know there's a ceremony on August 11th at uh Estuary Park. There's also

[2:31:12] going to be a ceremony on September 11th, which happens to be the 25th

[2:31:16] anniversary of the tragedies in uh on the East Coast. Be at the American

[2:31:23] Legion. Um I forgot to write down the time. I think it's 1:00, but uh it'll be

[2:31:28] honoring the first responders. Um, we had a citizen just come forward and say

[2:31:33] he'd like to arrange it and uh worked out at 4:00. 4:00. Okay. At the American

[2:31:41] Legion. So, um, we'll get information out. The flyer was just created today, I

[2:31:47] think. So, you'll be able to get an invitation to that. My quote for

[2:31:52] tonight, um, has to do with teamwork again. Um, and kind of particularly

[2:31:57] because we're talking about city manager when we get done after this and the city

[2:32:02] council. It's a quote from Alan Moly who was a former CEO at Ford and he

[2:32:10] worked many years at Boeing as well. He said leadership and this so this applies

[2:32:16] to not just Spencer leading the staff but the council leading the citizenry

[2:32:22] and Spencer leadership is having a compelling vision a comprehensive plan

[2:32:29] and a relentless what happened to the rest of the quote

[2:32:43] Well,

[2:32:47] » the rest of the quote's gone. >> Well, we need to bag of Skittles.

[2:32:52] » Um, I'm sure it's a relentless desire to keep things going. So, I'll uh I'll give

[2:32:59] that to uh you all later. What we're going to do now though is

[2:33:04] move into an executive session in accordance with OS192.660

[2:33:12] 2I to review and evaluate the employment related performance of the chief

[2:33:18] executive executive officer of any public body a public officer employer

[2:33:24] staff member who does not request an open hearing. Afterwards, we'll

[2:33:29] reconvene into regular session. And uh you're welcome to stay if you want, but

[2:33:35] it may be a while. You're all free to go. We will be back, though.

[3:09:57] We're back from executive session. I'm going to read my quote over. I found the

[3:10:02] rest of it because the most important part was left out. Leadership is having

[3:10:06] a compelling vision, a comprehensive plan, relentless implementation, and

[3:10:12] talented people working together. We uh are returning from our executive

[3:10:20] session and pull up the right thing here.

[3:10:25] Um I have a statement to make regarding um our city manager's performance. what

[3:10:30] we talked about. Overall, the city council is very

[3:10:35] pleased with Spencer Kyle's performance during the past year.

[3:10:41] We appreciate his professionalism, thorough preparation, collaborative

[3:10:47] leadership style, and his ability to present complex issues in a way that

[3:10:52] helps the council make informed decisions. As we look ahead, we

[3:10:56] encourage Spencer to continue building the leadership capacity of his

[3:11:01] department heads through greater delegation, to streamline reports and

[3:11:06] presentations, to focus on the key issues, to continue improving budget

[3:11:11] processes, and to help us strengthen communication with residents that builds

[3:11:17] public confidence in city government. We also look forward to continued progress

[3:11:22] determining the council's strategic priorities particularly related to

[3:11:27] infrastructure planning and implementation

[3:11:30] while maintaining our positive momentum that has benefited the city of Seaside.

[3:11:37] We'll move from that into uh determining uh what changes we may want to make to

[3:11:44] his um annual salary. Uh you have seen uh the letter he wrote

[3:11:50] to us, but uh the overall compensation that find my glasses here that um the

[3:12:00] cost of living increase this year was um 2.8%.

[3:12:06] And so I would uh propose that we move the base pay for city manager Spencer

[3:12:12] Cow by 2.8% to 186,41 per year.

[3:12:17] retroactively effective 71 of 2026. >> I'll second that.

[3:12:26] » Uh the mayor made the motion and councelor T. Monttero seconded it. Any

[3:12:31] discussion? Feel free. I mean I'm I rarely make a

[3:12:37] motion. So, >> right, you know, um I think we want to

[3:12:42] also make it clear this is the uh cost of living raise and it was um Spencer

[3:12:50] who uh indicated not to give him a merit side. And I want to make sure that from

[3:12:58] a historical perspective, nobody looks at zero merit and sees it as a demerit,

[3:13:05] as a negative, because it is not a negative. It is something that we're

[3:13:10] doing to fulfill another request of um of uh the city managers. And so I want

[3:13:16] to make sure we make that point.

[3:13:22] » Any other comments? All those in favor say I. I.

[3:13:28] » Any opposed? Motion carries. The um next step is to u possibly uh and

[3:13:38] we don't have to decide this tonight, but um make the um proposal to move some

[3:13:46] of Spencer's or put some u money into Spencer's deferred income. there's no

[3:13:53] provision for that in his current contract

[3:13:56] and um you saw with the surveys that we've done that that is one area that um

[3:14:05] he is kind of lacking in as far as overall compensation.

[3:14:10] So um what we are proposing is to change the language to allow deferred

[3:14:18] compensate compensation. Uh what we're talking about for the

[3:14:22] first year is 2% which is pretty minimal. Um

[3:14:28] so that's that's a fairly simple change straightforward.

[3:14:33] And what we would do would have uh Spencer go back and u we will I will

[3:14:38] work with him and create a new amendment to his contract and bring it back to the

[3:14:44] council for approval. Comments, questions?

[3:14:52] » Sounds like a good plan, >> huh?

[3:14:54] » Sounds like a good plan. >> Yeah.

[3:14:56] » Yeah. >> Your mic on? Yeah. Okay.

[3:14:59] » Mayor, is uh what is the term of the contract? Is there a a definitive term

[3:15:06] or just open? >> No term for there until you don't want

[3:15:10] me here. [laughter] >> Thank you.

[3:15:13] » And Dad, what the mayor said, I think coming back with that at a different

[3:15:16] meeting would allow it to, you know, be in the packet and everything like that.

[3:15:21] So, like any other item, there's the public has an opportunity to have some

[3:15:25] eyes on it and rather than a time like this. So

[3:15:32] » would when it when it comes back would we be talking in general about the

[3:15:37] program the administration the cost of the program are any other s employees

[3:15:44] going to be eligible like is that what you're saying bringing back? No, we

[3:15:47] already we already have the program. Um >> uh when I got here, that was one of the

[3:15:53] things that we were missing. And so we've implemented we all employees have

[3:15:57] an opportunity themselves to contribute to the um it's basically through PERS,

[3:16:03] but it's their their 457 plan. And so it's all voluntary contributions. And so

[3:16:09] the request I put in there is for a 2% city contribution on my behalf. But the

[3:16:15] program's already there. It's already in payroll and employees already use it.

[3:16:18] » I understand now. Thank you. No city match currently,

[3:16:22] » right? >> Got it.

[3:16:26] » Is that generally acceptable to everybody? Sounds okay. Okay.

[3:16:30] » So, yeah. >> The second one that is going to engender

[3:16:33] more conversation, uh, he has asked um, well,

[3:16:39] you wrote this in an email, right? Everybody sent it. Okay. So, everybody

[3:16:43] knows about it. um why don't you explain it first and

[3:16:47] then we'll talk about it. >> Sure.

[3:16:50] » From your standpoint and what you've learned from other city managers.

[3:16:55] » So this is so the request is at a provision that the uh city manager um

[3:17:02] may not be terminated within 6 months of a new counselor taking office.

[3:17:08] um it isn't um it was something I just didn't worry about negotiating when I

[3:17:14] came here and um hopefully it never needs to be used. Um I will say there

[3:17:21] was a discussion there was a at the city manager conference this summer there was

[3:17:26] a um a session on city managers contracts. So there was a discussion

[3:17:30] about this and I don't say that to think make you think city managers go to these

[3:17:35] conferences to figure out how we can amend our contracts. Um but there was

[3:17:39] some good discussion about this clause in particular and I think it is a common

[3:17:44] clause uh in what I would call for lack of a

[3:17:49] better word some of the more sophisticated cities and agreements. Um,

[3:17:53] they have other cities where the managers are like contract, you know,

[3:17:59] uh, or some of them are pretty basic, but I would say it's probably 50/50 on

[3:18:04] something like this being included. Um and the reason for it is um there are

[3:18:12] oftent times especially after elections you have a full change over and there is

[3:18:18] an immediate rush to make a change with the city manager which often is not in

[3:18:24] the best interest of the city. Um especially where the city manager and

[3:18:30] staff sometimes can be constant. And so the idea there is that when new people

[3:18:36] take office, they need to kind of work with staff um develop that relationship

[3:18:43] and actually assess them based on working with them rather than kind of

[3:18:48] the campaign trail. And um so uh I think this time more than any other would be

[3:18:56] appropriate. We don't have people rushing in to fill

[3:19:01] vacancies, but it is conceivable that there are six different peop, seven

[3:19:06] different people sitting here a year from now. And um it would be good, let's

[3:19:13] say they all took office in January, that there is some time for us to work

[3:19:19] together um to see if it's a a good fit. And so I think um it's not a cost to the

[3:19:26] city, but I think it adds some stability um when it there can be um rougher or

[3:19:34] more contentious patches. And you sometimes see

[3:19:38] higher volume of turnover um with councils with with managers

[3:19:44] coming and going every two years and whatnot. It's I think a bit of a um

[3:19:50] in uh opportunity to avoid some of that and add some stability. And I don't and

[3:19:57] I don't um I don't want to say that that obviously it benefits the city manager

[3:20:02] as well in terms of um some uh added protection. Um but it it still allows

[3:20:09] the council to ultimately make the same uh separation decisions that the

[3:20:14] contract currently allows. it just uh maybe a bit of a a waiting period or

[3:20:19] cooling off period after an election or um for that to happen. And so I think if

[3:20:25] there was ever a time to um put it on, I think this would be a good time. That

[3:20:30] being said, I hope it's never needed to be used, but um uh not, you know, I've

[3:20:37] seen cities change on the you know, on the with one election and things go a

[3:20:42] completely different direction. And so you never know. Uh, I don't feel like

[3:20:46] there's any concern with that today, but I can't always say for sure in the

[3:20:50] future. And so I think there's a a benefit to the community um as well as

[3:20:56] to the city manager by putting something like that in place.

[3:21:00] » I have um addressed we've chatted a bit about it too. Um, we actually changed or

[3:21:08] discussed changing the original wording from just elected to appointed as well

[3:21:13] because this can come up kind of all of a sudden any time. Uh again, one of the

[3:21:19] things I do when I talk to mayors, I find out what's happening and I follow a

[3:21:24] lot of the news stories and there was a city on the coast here that uh basically

[3:21:30] the one counselor quit and then the mayor quit and the remaining city

[3:21:36] councilors um kicked out the city manager and you know they had to pay a a

[3:21:42] severance for doing that. But um he was I thought a pretty good city manager and

[3:21:50] was leading him the right direction and they just refused it. So I'm uh I'm I

[3:21:57] don't know what's going to happen there. the um I don't know if this I I just

[3:22:03] realized it that a city council that's elected um or appointed I suppose I I

[3:22:11] didn't think of that actually can't be recalled for 6 months

[3:22:16] » so it's kind of the same thing you when you get into office you can't

[3:22:21] immediately recall the city manager you have to wait 6 months just like people

[3:22:26] have to wait six months for you my only uh question was whether it

[3:22:31] should be based on one counselor or more than that and uh I

[3:22:38] because the flexibility is already there if the remaining counselors want him to

[3:22:43] go all they have to do is make an agreement a severance agreement and he's

[3:22:47] gone if they can make him agree to it he him or her so I don't think it really

[3:22:53] changes anything but the the idea is there and so I'm I think I'm fine with

[3:22:59] it being just one counselor either is appointed or changed and that you know

[3:23:04] all of a sudden that changes something. I I just can't see that happening

[3:23:09] particularly with our city manager but you never know.

[3:23:15] So comments >> well I can't either. That's maybe why

[3:23:18] I'm having a hard time crystallizing this. Um but if we look at the last two

[3:23:25] years let's say or almost two years since I was appointed

[3:23:30] » that would be there would there would be the whole time the whole two years this

[3:23:35] would be in place. >> So is that

[3:23:41] » but again you still have the option to come up with an agreement. So you know

[3:23:46] if you really want him out you're going to pay to to get him out. I I guess what

[3:23:51] I'm thinking though is is one counselor going to make a difference and get the

[3:23:59] whole council to fire this person. So I'm I'm I'm thinking you have to have,

[3:24:04] you know, a majority >> and one new counselor on the council is

[3:24:10] going to create that majority. Um and that kind of goes along with what Chris

[3:24:15] is saying. in general if it's

[3:24:19] best practice for >> city manager you know contracts I'm

[3:24:25] » I would say I'd say it's not uncommon I I don't know if there if this would be

[3:24:30] in the best practice category um

[3:24:35] not uncommon uh for those who have taken up and

[3:24:38] discussed it uh but not a I wouldn't say it's standard or anything like that

[3:24:44] » okay well better to be proactive active than reactive. [clears throat]

[3:24:50] » I think six months I think that's if I'm understanding this I [clears throat]

[3:24:55] think that that's totally acceptable. I mean um you got to have an opportunity

[3:25:01] to know somebody before you go onto the path of removing them. Uh my wife's got

[3:25:07] a contract with me for 6 months that I do a moratorum on any remodeling that I

[3:25:14] do on a new house. She says absolutely not. You have to wait six months and

[3:25:19] then after that you know the gloves are off, the hammer comes out and the drill

[3:25:24] goes. So I think that uh I like this idea of

[3:25:30] six months at the very least. You know, you get a chance to know the person that

[3:25:34] you're going to be spending time with and understand them. I guess my concern

[3:25:39] is what councelor Benker brought up is where you could have a situation where

[3:25:43] you have so much transition in counselors that there would never be an

[3:25:47] opportunity. So I I I'm not ready to make a decision on this tonight. I'd

[3:25:51] like to give it more thought and kind of think about it and

[3:25:54] » it would be something that would be brought back for the next time anyways.

[3:25:58] And >> I mean maybe I would be open to a lower

[3:25:59] threshold, but I I could see a situation where we would need to potentially

[3:26:03] remove a city manager. wouldn't be able to because if there was constant

[3:26:06] turnover and that's what I'd be concerned about.

[3:26:09] » I'll see if I can if there are some other options that would could serve the

[3:26:15] same purpose but not be so restrictive

[3:26:20] in light of the last few years that there could never be an opportunity

[3:26:25] because it's not in the city's interest to not be able to let go of a city man.

[3:26:30] » And that's part of our main power we have is the city. Let me give it some

[3:26:35] thought and uh as we come back at the next meeting um I can give you a couple

[3:26:41] of different options to discuss and >> I could potentially see if the majority

[3:26:44] of the council changed maybe there's a higher threshold but one I I I just

[3:26:48] think that could be an issue. >> Spencer, did you say that there is

[3:26:54] precedent for implementing this? >> Yeah, I think I think there are quite a

[3:26:59] few cities that do this. Um can't remember if it was Ashland or

[3:27:06] Corvalis. One of them there were there was a panel discussion. One of them said

[3:27:09] that theirs didn't have a timeline, but it said uh if the city council

[3:27:15] terminates the city manager within 6 months of someone taking office, um the

[3:27:20] city pays out double the severance that the contract currently calls for.

[3:27:28] that might look too good that someone might try to get [laughter]

[3:27:34] off. >> So, um like I said, um

[3:27:38] uh some I would say many cities have it of of the cities that are more

[3:27:43] sophisticated probably 50/50. That's just a total guess. And so, by no means

[3:27:48] is it a standard thing. By no means [clears throat] is it uncommon.

[3:27:51] » Thank you.

[3:27:56] uh just reiterate that I have seen um this transpire and it's not pretty and

[3:28:02] it's definitely not good for the city. Um you know that city's struggling. I

[3:28:08] think they finally appointed an interim but I don't know how long she'll last

[3:28:12] with the council situation.

[3:28:16] We'll see. I hope they succeed.

[3:28:21] Okay. Thank you very much and we are

[3:28:26] adjourned.

07/27/2026: Seaside City Council Work Session & Meeting

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