[0:11] She wrote >> Dolly wrote it. She

[0:15] » No, this would have been

[0:19] » And I don't know how you write it in three days.

[0:25] » That's a talent that I don't have. [laughter]

[0:32] says better.

[0:36] » I think he's >> he move around some

[0:40] » he doesn't >> because he give up. He quit.

[0:45] » Oh, I know. >> He quit.

[0:49] » [clears throat] >> So I looked back at

[1:00] » fix anything at the condo. So you know being in there fix anything

[1:08] be right there. >> Oh yeah.

[1:10] » Yeah.

[1:13] Your daughter. It's great to have her up there.

[1:18] » Looking forward to that trip. I may actually go Saturday.

[1:25] » I'll go just about

[1:31] » see the screen. >> We haven't seen I haven't seen

[1:35] » what color that

[1:40] over there. >> Oh yeah.

[1:45] Hey, you're trying to fill in all these holes.

[1:48] » I had two guys. >> Sorry about that. But any [laughter]

[2:05] » You got the brethren right there. >> Season ticket holder to Knoxville and to

[2:13] Navy. Yeah, I think >> that's impressive.

[2:17] » Get [snorts] to many go many Navy games. >> Uh, we're going to at least one this

[2:20] year in October. My son's on a ship in

[2:25] Norfol. So, >> meet us up there maybe.

[2:28] » And Army Navy. Got tickets for that. Hadn't decided if I'm going to New York

[2:32] or not yet. I don't know.

[2:40] » Coach Raph's done a really good job. She's a good lady. Of course, she, you

[2:44] know, she trained on. >> Yeah. So she's she's

[2:51] » and I think their athletic director

[3:03] » recogniz

[3:11] she was on the court at the same time.

[3:17] Okay.

[3:28] Mor. >> How you doing, Cat? I'm doing well.

[3:32] » How are you? >> I'm good. Good. Hey. Hello, Jim. Mayor,

[3:36] » how are you doing? Good to see you. Brian,

[3:38] » how you doing? >> How you doing, bud? Good.

[3:40] » Hey, guys. How are y'all? behind

[3:45] you.

[3:48] » You going to get the lunch? >> I'll get it probably later if I

[3:54] » If I don't, I'm fine. >> I'll fall off to nothing.

[3:59] » I won't [laughter] recognize you next time.

[4:01] » It'll hurt.

[4:04] » You're [laughter] probably right. You're probably right.

[4:10] » Excuse me.

[4:16] Boys doing good. >> Doing good. Yeah, you know, we got one

[4:18] married off in May.

[4:26] » Tim likes going and then the oldest one has been on F. Kennedy and they've been

[4:30] out to see a couple times

[4:34] it from there. >> He's a good driver.

[4:37] » Is he Apollo? >> No, he's a surface new truck. He's down.

[4:44] » He's the >> He's a little larger than a Saratog.

[4:46] » Just a little. >> Yeah, [laughter]

[4:49] he's the reactor control assistant or something like that.

[4:55] » He like it. >> Yeah, he's not like too much, but he

[4:59] likes the job. >> It's just long

[5:04] dream. >> Your son married.

[5:08] » He's working for the state department. uh at the he's at the embassy Democratic

[5:12] Republic of the Congress and why he made her overseas premier. He

[5:17] met her in DC at the state department and she's over there as well. He was he

[5:21] was a western city. Okay. She's an Africa

[5:31] » the whole world covered there just about my brother.

[5:34] » That's I know you're proud of that. in front of both. Yep.

[5:36] » Yeah.

[5:42] » Oh, yeah. I saw that. >> I think

[5:46] Oh, yeah. So, if something happened,

[5:59] » well, he went to Germany two weeks ago.

[6:08] about week

[6:14] on the sky and drink the water

[6:19] meeting tonight and she would be there

[6:27] probably have to come have a short meeting. It might be a

[6:31] little

[6:34] » he might go before her tell us about they

[6:40] [laughter] >> are

[6:43] well he works he's in the Congo right now at the state embassy there

[6:49] was

[6:53] probably

[6:56] » yeah he brought us waiting in line for 30 minutes to get

[7:01] something. >> Oh, is that right?

[7:04] said just because you're off the border doesn't mean you need to forget about

[7:06] the come

[7:16] » I think they're going

[7:21] to get me

[7:31] they take a big My wife freezes them and uh at Thanksgiving she has red pudding

[7:36] » made

[7:40] Christmas.

[7:43] She uses Miss Mary on >> Yes. Uh Warren was talking about some

[7:49] some family that >> gets a whole lot of them every time they

[7:52] have a birthday, every time they have Christmas, Thanksgiving, whatever, they

[7:55] pull them out the freezer. Are they as good? Well, I mean I mean if I microw

[7:59] microwave one after one day, it's not sun.

[8:03] » It's pretty heavy, doesn't it? [laughter]

[8:07] » It's just not the same. >> Yeah,

[8:11] » right. >> Okay, I think it's time call this

[8:13] meeting to order and we is everybody signed in for the

[8:18] roll call? Yes, sir. >> Great.

[8:21] um had a chance to look at the agenda and obtain a motion to approve the

[8:26] agenda. >> So move second. I'll

[8:29] » bring up one thing. The monthly discussion is not that uh it's not going

[8:34] to be airport capital improvement but zoning airport.

[8:39] » Okay. >> There's that one small change. Not that

[8:41] it it's not a voting issue. I just want to bring it to

[8:43] » Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah.

[8:45] » All in favor? Any opposed? Thank you. Um, the minutes

[8:51] of the prior meeting were attached to the email I think that we got.

[8:56] You all had a chance to review those. I would ask if there are any additions or

[9:02] corrections.

[9:06] » I see. >> Motion

[9:08] » motion to approve the minutes. Second. >> All in favor? Great. Approved.

[9:14] » Anything from the No. No. No.

[9:20] We we have happy citizens today. [laughter]

[9:26] » Good lunch. >> Yeah, just keep the lunch menu good.

[9:30] [laughter]

[9:32] » Okay, Paul, the uh airport zoning. >> Okay. Um

[9:39] well, I gave you a couple of large handouts that are paintings off of

[9:45] our airport layout plan. those large tabloid size.

[9:48] » Yes. >> Uh so you can see that uh especially the

[9:52] one that looks like a racetrack is our airspace that uh you see that you can

[9:58] that's it's a little difficult on a page that size but there's a topo underneath

[10:03] that. It gives you an idea of how far out our airport affects the area. So

[10:09] it's um 10,000 ft and then you go around. So there's uh there's what we're

[10:14] going to be looking at with our local um planning office and the county as well.

[10:21] the countyy's willing to work with us

[10:27] because we know at some point in time um you know our planners will move on

[10:31] something else either retirement or whatever and it could be that we need

[10:35] something established >> so that um we're protected in the future

[10:39] because we know of all the growth that's happening out this direction. So, we've

[10:44] got to find ways and right now we already have um one I mean a piece of

[10:49] property right underneath our approach up for sale. And then we also have a

[10:53] large business that's off in the that's in the county that's right underneath

[10:57] our approach that we don't things seem to be moving in a positive direction,

[11:01] but we don't know what that new investment group might be doing with

[11:04] that piece of property um and all the property surrounding it

[11:08] because that's they have a lot of property. So, things of that nature.

[11:12] Also, uh, more and more city council regularly is somebody trying to build

[11:17] the neighborhood between here and the bypass and so we've got to I make them

[11:23] aware all the time that there is going to be a jet 200 feet over their house

[11:27] » no matter what. >> And so that's just part of it. But they

[11:31] need but so we got to we need to the only way that we really can protect the

[11:35] airport is through zone. The first being associated with the racetrack idea is

[11:41] the airspace is height zoning height zoning ordinances that we work with. Uh

[11:46] that way you're not necessarily restricting because if you especially

[11:50] when you mention zoning in the county it really goes squirly if the idea is just

[11:56] making sure that there isn't that they have to go through a process. So

[12:01] everybody that puts tower over uh he puts tower up period within that

[12:05] racetrack has to file with FAA. Anything over certain elev anything over

[12:11] 200 ft has to be lit no matter where whether it's an issue or not. But also

[12:16] we have to we want to make sure that off the end of the runway where it is most

[12:21] restrictive for us and most important for us that we protect that through not

[12:25] allowing things over certain elevations, certain heights. Uh, perfect example is

[12:30] one of our own tenants put a tower right up there off the north end because

[12:33] that's right across the street to his property and he's he's got a airplane

[12:37] here and he still put a tower there because it was for his for his business

[12:41] and it messed with our numbers on a couple of different things.

[12:44] [clears throat] >> Um,

[12:45] » so does that not come back under the FAA has to approve

[12:51] the height requirement? FA looks at it, but there is no that doesn't mean they

[12:57] they can adjust and they can make changes if they necessary, but that

[13:00] doesn't say they're going to say no. It just means more likely it's going to be

[13:04] require it to be lit or something like that. There's they they hope for us,

[13:09] they leave it up to the locals for zoning and different things like that to

[13:12] now. They'll support you and back you and give you the regulations that allow

[13:16] you to establish. And that's kind of what FAA does. They say, "Here, you have

[13:20] the authority now to regulate the area around there. You have the authority to

[13:25] be able to zone uh and we'll back you the with the power

[13:30] of the federal government." Now, they're not going to say no to somebody. They're

[13:33] going to say, "Yes, you are construction. Yes, you need to light it.

[13:37] And we're going to inform the locals where it is and give them the

[13:41] opportunity to to stop it." But they're not going to stop. That makes sense.

[13:50] But uh the other is the other piece that we

[13:56] have you can see of um the land use plan that's around there. You can that will

[14:01] also give you an idea of how big our piece of property is that we have and

[14:04] we've been able to control most of our approaches uh the runway protection zone

[14:10] and different things like that. you'll the it's kind of hard to read, but I'm

[14:13] just giving you this as an example just so eventually there will be a a bigger

[14:17] version once it's complete that everybody will be able to see.

[14:21] But you can see to the south of them we've got we've owned all the property

[14:26] and there's only a small triangle that we don't on the north end that we don't

[14:31] have not been able to acquire because of 231 and right across 231. Uh, one of the

[14:37] things that we thought we had and we went and Lisa and I a while back went

[14:41] looking for and never found one. But some some of the older members of the

[14:46] authority are know that thought that at one point in time there was a land uh an

[14:50] navigation easement bought over that that corner, but we can't find any

[14:55] example of it. So all I can figure is it maybe was discussed in meeting at some

[14:58] point in time and never happened. It probably never came to an agreement or

[15:01] something like that. >> Um, that would be one thing that is

[15:05] recommended. that will probably come out of this airport layout plan is that we

[15:08] do acquire a navigation easement over that small piece of property so that at

[15:14] some point in time right now that it's it's owned by a widow and

[15:17] [clears throat] at some point in time she will somebody will finally give her

[15:20] enough money that she'll sell it right now she still has a lot of sentimental

[15:24] value because her you know her husband was out there every day working on it

[15:28] and so she'll hold on to it I'm sure as long as she can at some point in time

[15:32] it'll be out there and with it right there on 231 right next to TCAT and

[15:39] right next I mean it's going to be hard for somebody to not to walk away from

[15:42] that piece of property. So the best thing we could do it is currently in the

[15:46] county uh is to uh work with the county to for proper zoning and all of 231 is

[15:54] going to be uh working through a zoning process throughout the starting in uh

[16:00] beginning of the year especially are really going to get a lot more focus and

[16:03] we're we're diligently working with the the planning office to make sure you can

[16:07] be involved in that process. So, we want to be able [snorts] to restrict around

[16:12] us, but we don't want to restrict ourselves,

[16:14] » right? >> But so far, we're able to uh we're zoned

[16:18] as industrial as far as the city's concerned. So, we're we're able to do

[16:23] what we need to do, but we also want to because what you want around your

[16:27] airports is um it's pretty much you want to have your um commercial, you you try

[16:35] to leave it agriculture if you can, that'd be great, but um you want to have

[16:41] your industrial. And so that's a big part of what I

[16:45] encourage for around the airports is to really push the even industrial more

[16:50] than commercial because they have uh with commercial you start having some

[16:55] restrictions on the number of people that can park things like that under

[16:57] your approaches and different things like that. As a matter of fact um they

[17:02] even in under certain approaches they don't want you to have even a park where

[17:07] people can gather in large groups. So there are just different ways but

[17:12] industrial really works well because they already their own noise. So it

[17:17] really works well with noise compatibility. I encourage people when I

[17:21] in my previous life I said the best thing you can do is buy is get storage

[17:24] units and put them around airports because everybody wants storage units it

[17:27] seems like and that's the best place because boxes don't complain. It's like

[17:31] this is what people say about wanting to fly for FedEx and UPS. They said when

[17:34] they have a rough landing the boxes don't complain.

[17:37] » Yeah. So they can that's why everybody all those pilots want to end up being

[17:41] FedEx. >> Let [clears throat] me see if I

[17:44] understand this. This pink right here is what you're talking about.

[17:48] » That's our that's our runway protection zone and that that is really u that is

[17:53] for protection of people on the ground. >> We we do or do not own all of this.

[17:59] » There's a small corner you can see right below your finger there right on the

[18:01] other side of 231. There's a small little triangle right there that we do

[18:05] not own. that is uh across 231 right on the other side.

[18:10] » Yeah, we don't own many. >> Yeah.

[18:12] » But uh that would one that they'll recommend and it will be stated on our

[18:16] airport layout plan recommended for acquisition for a navigation easement.

[18:20] It won't be a fee simple. It will just be just buying the air above it.

[18:23] » Air above it. And what that'll help do if nothing else um it will help with

[18:30] control of putting in if somebody which has already been approached before about

[18:34] putting in a traffic light and different things in that around that area we will

[18:37] be able to help control that even more to keep that from happening. Also um the

[18:43] fact of anybody that if somebody were to buy it for commercial or industrial

[18:47] reasons they can't put a sign up that would impede on us because we own the

[18:50] air rights above it and not hurt our approaches.

[18:55] But the biggest part of what we need to make

[18:59] sure through zoning in this area is the incompatible land uses which is

[19:06] for for the most part for most airports. For some reason airports seem to attract

[19:10] houses like you know bees and honey. I don't know why it is but for some reason

[19:15] they really seem to attract airport uh airports seem to attract houses and you

[19:21] can see that to the north big time. the airport to the north is really

[19:24] constrained and can't do anything. Uh as much as their population wants it, they

[19:30] can't do anything about it because they've built houses all around that

[19:32] airport. And so here we've been able to acquire a lot of it and so far we've

[19:39] been able to work well with that that particular neighborhood, but that

[19:42] neighborhood is still is still county. Um so that's the thing is we we have

[19:47] some odd shapes in this area as far as city and county is concerned. We have to

[19:51] really work well with the county because uh big chunks of our property line are

[19:56] up against the county. >> Yeah.

[19:58] » And so, uh we hope to over the next um six months working with the county,

[20:04] working with the city planners, things of that nature, maybe a little bit

[20:06] longer than that, it just takes time to uh plan through because really when you

[20:10] start talking zoning in the county, it really gets people's attention.

[20:14] » You did mention about the urban grow that's funed.

[20:18] » I haven't. Oh, that's great. That's that's true. That's another thing that

[20:24] » Can you you explain the triangle that's here to the one side of the 231 the

[20:32] semicircles that are on should we say the east side of uh airport road? Can

[20:38] you explain that to us as well? >> So you've got two of those over there.

[20:42] One is for the V and that's been established that was established quite

[20:47] some time ago and that was sort of established from what I can gather as

[20:52] sort of a sort of ina I mean they were memorandum

[20:56] agreement I mean that's sort of what they've done with the Taylor property is

[21:00] um that large one with the V is restrictions based on obstructions in

[21:05] metal mainly metal like putting buildings up that's why you see the

[21:08] white fence over there things like that so it doesn't impede on the navigation

[21:12] purpose of the VO. And so that is uh that is something that's actually um

[21:19] they've been reminded of in this process where they're talking about stopping the

[21:22] farming and doing something else to remind [clears throat] them that they

[21:26] have that V there that causes a restriction on that piece of property

[21:29] and they're very aware of it. Um now if they sell it, I'm sure somebody that

[21:33] buys it will, you know, conveniently forget that. But that will be one other

[21:39] thing that they I can't tell you because I was not around when that was installed

[21:43] in the 70s where um if now the tailor's own that property in the 70s. So I don't

[21:49] know if they made an agreement with FAA at that time or not. I don't know. I

[21:53] don't have that information. The other smaller one you see that's similar is

[21:58] AWS and that's our weather system. It's a much smaller circle. The other one's

[22:02] 500 foot. The other one's 100. So it's a you go out 500 feet and make the large

[22:07] circle and then you go out 100 feet to make the smaller circle for the AWAS.

[22:10] That again is that metal doesn't affect it but it does it's affected by um

[22:15] percentage of of structure. So like anything over certain distance out you

[22:21] can't grow anything grass can't be over 8 inches. I mean there's different

[22:24] things like that. And as you go out taller it goes but then in turn you

[22:28] can't have any certain blockages. So it's not like you can build something

[22:30] there. you can't um allow trees to grow up or anything like that.

[22:36] » Those are what those built >> those are what those circle represent as

[22:39] far as that's concerned. >> Yeah, I think so.

[22:43] » Paula, I was just asking Lisa and I thought that probably correct right in

[22:47] behind that triangle you're talking about. There were 26 acres that uh we

[22:52] actually uh donated I think the county and the city did out of our industrial

[22:57] park to someone that may come back to the city uh over an industrial park

[23:02] besides >> Yes.

[23:03] » Okay. So I don't know if that will ever expand.

[23:07] uh we need to keep a breast of what you need so that we don't let somebody else

[23:12] get that property if you need more >> which is what yeah that's part of the

[23:15] reason why we're working with with Tom on that as well so that u because as I

[23:19] mentioned at some point in time I imagine she'll she'll be ready to sell

[23:24] and that'll that would just make too much sense for somebody to be able to

[23:27] get to 231 from that back portion of the >> yeah they cut a driveway in behind tcat

[23:33] for the access to that 26 acres but it was a right turn only when they

[23:37] developed where when they were talking about developing that but that 26 acres

[23:41] part of it's wet >> got spring or something on it

[23:45] » helps me out and so does that creek the creek helps me out there

[23:47] » what about other runways are is MTSU or anybody else looking at another runway

[23:53] out here at the airport and do we need to protect do we need to protect u even

[23:58] further >> we do uh we do have a little you see a

[24:02] small drawing right there >> and for the most part we've got most of

[24:06] that already. Now, there will be shown on our airport layout plan to acquire

[24:10] some property fee simple. That's just because we that's what we've tried to do

[24:13] in the past. >> Okay.

[24:14] » And that's and and I've always bragged uh of how the city has done that. That's

[24:19] the safest way to do is fe simple purchasing

[24:22] » and that's where you have 100% control over it. And that's what uh we'll be

[24:25] asking for on that far side. The only piece that we don't have is right on the

[24:30] corner of airport on that bend on airport road.

[24:32] » Yeah. um that she's her property is just adjacent to the airport right there

[24:38] » right on that corner right over there. >> Yeah.

[24:39] » And it just happens to be her her late husband was a former employee here. So

[24:43] she's she's aware. >> She knows that we want to get a hold of

[24:46] it at some point in time. And it just makes sense and that'll protect the

[24:49] approach for uh a future VFR runway on that side.

[24:53] » And we do have developments. I know from planning commission we've had Dale Lane

[24:57] and Fairfield Pike and all of that area down through there. And we've got folks

[25:01] that own that. They have already gotten the permission from the planning

[25:04] commission. >> And I and I've mentioned that before.

[25:07] That's the one I Yeah. Especially that one on Fairfield, just right off

[25:10] Fairfield that I mentioned. That's going to right.

[25:12] » I said you're going to have >> airplanes at 200 feet at 200 feet off

[25:16] your not necessarily the >> the smaller diamonds and things like

[25:19] that. You're not going to have those guys are not they're going to be over

[25:21] your head, but they'll be up higher because they've got a steeper approach,

[25:25] » but they're and they're not nearly as noisy. and

[25:29] » we've kind of considered >> takes off. Go hear him cuz those engines

[25:32] are a big difference in those engines and

[25:35] » the others. >> I'm just going to say I told you

[25:38] something. >> So if I bought a house, let's say in

[25:41] that proposed subdivision and the jet starts coming over 200 feet

[25:46] and I start complaining, what happens?

[25:52] » You get tired of complaining. >> Well, no, they don't. They don't get

[25:56] tired of it. There's no we have asked the developer to put that in part of the

[26:01] » uh okay >> you know when you make that purchase now

[26:03] whether they do that or not >> I don't think the city comes back and

[26:07] checks every one of them when they when they do something like that but we have

[26:10] asked the developers now you're on that >> and so you need to let those folks know

[26:16] but uh >> we've even tried to you know

[26:19] » we've all worked to try to get that information out. Yeah. Yeah.

[26:22] » But it just becomes a political >> stop it before it starts. Yeah. Yeah. As

[26:26] I as I was sitting in a meeting and Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry. I was late sitting

[26:30] in a meeting with a lawyer who used to practice in Los Angeles and he goes,

[26:33] "It's just too bad. You know, Los Angeles just opens its checkbook and

[26:36] pays." And I'm like, "Well, Shelby, go. It's not Los Angeles, California."

[26:41] » But, you know, LAX is probably one of the most well-known examples of where

[26:46] they had to put money in. >> Yeah.

[26:48] » To buildings and houses that were there before. And I know one of those owners

[26:52] and how much money they had to spend >> to

[26:57] soundproof some of those houses. But that's Los Angeles, California and

[27:01] California law, >> right?

[27:03] » Well, it not only protects the person that buys it when it's new, the next

[27:06] person down the road, you know, that that person get tired of it. I'm tired

[27:10] of this right here. I'm going to move. And then

[27:12] » how close they are to the area. >> If you've got it in that deed or deed of

[27:15] trust, you you've got it. Yeah. Yeah. There's Murphy'sboro got a nice little

[27:22] subs right at the end. [laughter] Every time I go by looks I wonder if

[27:27] anybody lived in houses yet. [laughter] >> Yeah.

[27:33] So that was just the main thing just to point out the fact that we will be um

[27:37] you'll hear that talked about quite a bit when it comes to the urban growth

[27:40] and I know some of you guys are involved in some of the uh you know the region as

[27:44] a whole, the county as a whole. So, some of that will come up as far as being

[27:48] able to uh why is the county supporting the city when it comes to that? Because

[27:52] sometimes they they don't necessarily get along, but uh they know they know we

[27:58] are a utility for everyone, not just for the city, right?

[28:03] » So, it's county planning and zoning, city planning and zoning.

[28:12] » Okay. >> So, they'll be working together. We need

[28:14] to work together. >> Just so you all know, Bedford County as

[28:18] a whole being in all our communities with it are reopening the discussion of

[28:23] looking at our urban growth boundaries. We have to do that as a whole.

[28:26] » Yeah, >> we did that first 20some years ago and

[28:30] it's about time under the law to take a look at it. And I think there I think

[28:34] Chris is formally starting that in March. Okay.

[28:37] » Right. >> I didn't know Tom had told you. So we we

[28:40] all know that it's coming and so we anticipate that the city's urban growth

[28:46] bound is probably going to get bigger. >> So at the end of that yeah that's going

[28:52] to be bigger. So yeah they >> yeah the sewer heading in that direction

[28:56] will make a difference too. >> So we know we know that they will follow

[28:59] that. We just >> I'll just be encouraging it to be

[29:02] industrial or indoor commercial versus residential

[29:05] » around here. >> Right.

[29:06] » Right. I mean, at some point in time, I understand it's going to I'll have to

[29:09] give up, you know, I can't go out too far.

[29:13] » As much as I can, I will. Yeah. Just just because of those phone calls.

[29:17] » Okay. >> Luckily, right now for the mayor, just

[29:20] since he's here, one of the ones that calls regularly, she's in the county.

[29:24] » So, I said you could welcome call our mayor.

[29:27] [laughter]

[29:32] [laughter] >> Call your mayor, but

[29:33] » that's right. She calling about noise.

[29:37] » Yes. >> Was she there before or after the

[29:40] airport was built? >> She claims that their family was there

[29:44] before the airport was built. >> Mhm.

[29:47] » I can't uh I know she's not she wasn't there. Unless she was she was an infant.

[29:52] But

[29:56] [snorts] >> yeah, I haven't heard of anybody dumping

[29:58] fuel or anything like that. When we had MTSU, when we were working through that,

[30:03] we had folks calling calling me and saying, "They're dumping fuel over here

[30:07] on my property. They got low enough. I saw it come out of the plane."

[30:11] [laughter]

[30:14] » I said, "I hope not." >> As was explained when MTSU first came up

[30:18] about them traffic to that corner over there. I She was

[30:21] » at that meeting and I explained to them, >> yeah,

[30:24] » that's they're more concerned. There's a lot more concerns than trying to look

[30:27] out the window at you at your place or trying to be certain elevation over your

[30:31] house. It's amazing. >> Yeah.

[30:32] » How she all of a sudden thinks that she can tell exactly how tall how nice you

[30:36] are. >> She says they're 100 foot over my house.

[30:39] I said, "Well, you know, they're they're not because they would be scared to

[30:42] death if they were just 100 foot. They got something wrong. They're 100 foot."

[30:47] » But hadn't heard anything in the last year or two, I'm not getting any

[30:50] complaints. >> We keep we keep recordings and based on

[30:54] Ginger's recommendation. She misses a voicemail on occasions. Yeah, there's

[30:58] been some that are >> entertaining.

[31:01] » So, Paul will stop before they get to mate.

[31:04] » Yes, [laughter] sir.

[31:08] » That's I'll have somebody else got some more has some more questions about

[31:14] » go too far into it. [snorts] Zoning until we go to old business and update

[31:20] rules and regulations.

[31:44] was um we did not print out a I did not print out another rules and regulation,

[31:50] but some of you had you you received a a copy of it. Um

[31:56] so the idea was hopefully that you could read over and part of it is uh as

[32:03] I as I mentioned earlier to a few this is something I'm in there

[32:14] you know just because I there may be some assumptions on my part that I don't

[32:17] mean for there to be and so it really needs to be able to that any any person

[32:22] that sees the rules and regulations can understand Yeah.

[32:24] » And even if it's a brand new pilot, most cases, rules and regulations are

[32:29] written for pilots, but they also cover anybody that's trying to uh have

[32:34] aeronautical activity on the airport, just like our minimum standards are

[32:37] written for anybody that has an aeronautical service on the airport. So,

[32:40] it's an aeronautical activity and that includes like your paragliders, that

[32:44] includes your in some cases even um you know parachute jumpers and different

[32:49] things of that nature. you've got other things that they have to include and so

[32:53] not all those guys are or at least have or carry a pilot's license or student

[32:57] pilots license and so these have to be written in Atlanta that can cover a lot

[33:02] of them. So I was hoping that they get some some guidance from you uh as far as

[33:07] some areas that you obvious that seem to be obvious or other ones that maybe not

[33:11] so obvious. Uh some I already know that will need to be updated. I I as

[33:18] mentioned before I did ask uh at the city at city hall if there was some

[33:21] certain any types of rules and regulations that were established for

[33:24] city buildings to make sure that we were adhering some of the same situations.

[33:28] this is a city facility to make sure and surprisingly there's not uh there's

[33:34] nothing in writing for like city hall for example um as far as any type of

[33:40] rules there might need to be but there's not so I couldn't say I couldn't mimic

[33:45] any of those >> yeah the closest thing that we would

[33:47] have of course is we do rent out rooms at the rec center but you know park and

[33:52] wreck is really the only thing that I mean we're we're our own animal out here

[33:56] » yes I even own separate thing. >> I asked about the reference stuff. You

[34:01] know, I understand most people know now there's no smoking in government

[34:06] buildings and that's just known and so they don't have any writing. But what

[34:10] things that we mentioned here is how close you can be to the building.

[34:14] » And I've seen it at city hall and I've seen it here too where literally they're

[34:17] walking in the door and they're blowing it out and flicking a cigarette as

[34:20] they're stepping through the threshold. Well, we're we we're trying to keep that

[34:25] from happening here by putting a restriction on it. Uh, one of the things

[34:29] I did want to ask, you know, I was thinking Kelly was here too, but at

[34:33] least some of the the lawyers in the room um and find out in reference to um

[34:40] smoking and vaping because I know vaping is a big thing right now to the point

[34:44] that >> are there

[34:46] are they loading them together? Are they not? How is it being looked at as far as

[34:50] that's concerned because of um in some cases I think the restrictions are less

[34:56] some are more I don't know or not more I'm sorry but each two or

[35:01] you know how that's looked at that's just one I thought of on looking this as

[35:05] far as trying to update [laughter] >> I don't [clears throat] know

[35:08] specifically but most of them that I've seen it was pretty consistent like

[35:12] vaping fell under the same rules as smoking

[35:17] » indoors So,

[35:19] » well, we we've established and and this or in here has been discussed in

[35:24] reference to a distance away from the building. We don't even hear to that

[35:28] right now, but I just um we so that's one of the areas that we

[35:34] need to adjust and we do you feel that [clears throat] that's

[35:40] it's 50 ft or 150 ft. How do you feel is I thought the law was there's a statute

[35:46] that tells specifically how far you can have to be.

[35:49] » Yeah. If you go to Beth County Courthouse, they have it on the on the

[35:52] courthouse law. They tell you exactly how far you have to be away from the

[35:55] door. >> Yeah.

[35:55] » And I forgot. I pass it all the time. >> I was thinking it was 50 ft, too. It's

[36:00] not that big of a >> It was that

[36:02] » it's not large. >> It used to be when it was first

[36:05] instituted in state buildings. It was 50 ft when I worked for the state,

[36:09] » but I didn't know if that had been changed or anything like that. And I

[36:13] know here we had I think if I remember correctly 150 ft

[36:17] » or something to that effect. I >> I think the state statute is 50 ft.

[36:21] » But we can look that up. >> So we have to some of the things that

[36:24] we'll need to do is uh rearrange an area because we have people that wait outside

[36:29] and it's um we don't have really an area undercover 50 ft out.

[36:34] » Yeah. Yeah, they're waiting right out front and they'll have uh in the room or

[36:38] something like that. And also our um where we have disposal uh our cigarette

[36:45] butts are disposed of and things like that. We don't have those far enough

[36:47] away because they're right next they're right up next to the building,

[36:50] » right? So, um, and as I mentioned earlier to Gary, I said that I had

[36:57] there's places in here about pets, and I hadn't really paid any attention to

[37:00] that. And so, now we've set up a a pet waste area that we didn't have we didn't

[37:05] have set up. >> And you have to be careful with that.

[37:08] [snorts] >> So, okay.

[37:11] » I mean, yeah, >> we have it just in the grass, which is

[37:14] where the where the animals are going. So, uh, they have now they have bags to

[37:19] be able to grab and remove their waste, but before they didn't. And we sometimes

[37:24] they would grab them, sometimes they didn't.

[37:26] » Right. >> Um,

[37:29] so if you know of anything ADA wise that we've got in the rules and regulations

[37:33] that are in conflict, please let me know.

[37:36] » Let me let me just ask a question and I suspect I know the answer. Has it? Have

[37:42] y'all on the board read the uh rules and regulations well enough to go through

[37:50] and or do we need more time to go back and

[37:58] I would say we need more time to go through

[38:01] » and I think it'd be helpful Jinger if you could look and read them as well

[38:05] just from a legal point of view and then be prepared next month to go through and

[38:11] Actually, >> I won't be here this month. Sorry.

[38:17] [clears throat]

[38:21] » Sorry. >> Okay.

[38:24] » In the one that >> Yeah. May take that long.

[38:26] » In the one that you had sent out talking about smoking, it says within 50 ft of

[38:31] refueling in 20 ft of the building. >> Obviously, we need to that needs to be

[38:35] changed. It says no smoking is allowed within 20

[38:40] ft of the entryways or within 50 ft of fuel storage tanks or aircraft. Okay.

[38:48] » But I might also say can we just talk about that's rules and regulations but

[38:54] we also have minimum standard wage. So if if perhaps if we could all spend some

[39:00] time over the next month or so and read rules and regulations and minimum

[39:06] standards. >> Yes.

[39:07] » So we can have a discussion and then try to put them into place

[39:13] » on both of those. Um, one of my areas that I'm I'm not really sure what

[39:19] restrictions I have as far as the city is concerned is how to enforce some of

[39:23] these uh because there's one here. I mean, it's pretty bad, but there's one

[39:30] in reference to you wonder why it's in here, but it's u no person shall use a

[39:35] toilet or lavatory facility at the airport other than where it's designed.

[39:38] But we have people that do that um because they're too lazy to walk up

[39:44] from the fuel farm or too lazy to walk past from a their anger or something

[39:50] like that. >> Um how you know what can be if we say

[39:55] something to them? Yeah, we can try to embarrass them, but what do you have any

[39:59] what we can look at as far as keep in mind what we can do to try to enforce

[40:02] these and can there be something that >> administrative enforcement? Yeah,

[40:09] » we want to take that to court. >> Oh, yeah. You need to take a a hard look

[40:14] at that. Some of these issues might be such that you'd want to

[40:19] truly find someone that you would take it to municipal court, but of course

[40:24] that's got to be in the code in order to do that, not just a

[40:29] » policy. >> So, you'd have to be very specific about

[40:32] that. Um, I need to think hard about that.

[40:38] » I guess that's one of the things that I guess is

[40:41] finding out what we can do. Now, rules and regulations, yes, they adhere to

[40:46] itinerate traffic, too. So, that's kind of hard. So, if we have somebody that's

[40:49] just flying through and they stopped just long enough to get fuel and they're

[40:54] moving on somewhere else to another state, may or may not be back. It's not

[40:58] like we can tell them you can't come back because you you did X,

[41:02] » right? >> Um

[41:04] » but it's also hard to follow and try to

[41:09] send them a sent >> you get into those personal things

[41:14] enforcement. We've got some ordinances having trouble enforcing right now.

[41:19] animals especially. >> And that's again that's another thing

[41:22] because is what we've discussed with with minimum standards. Uh one

[41:28] template [snorts] and different things that I've looked at offers and

[41:31] recommends that your minimum standards be put through as a potential ordinance.

[41:36] » And that's one way you have to remember that [clears throat]

[41:39] » when we talk about municipal court and so those of you that may not be aware

[41:44] our municipal court is a true municipal court. It is an appointed judge. He does

[41:50] not have the type of authority like your general sessions judge. City of

[41:54] Murphusboro's city court, it has an elected judge and has the same power as

[41:59] a general sessions court. They can do a whole lot of things. So when there is a

[42:04] quote violation of city law, meaning just something that the city has passed

[42:08] by ordinance, it's in our municipal code >> and you take that violation to

[42:14] city court. The authority in Tennessee is our judge is limited to finding

[42:19] someone up to $50 a day per violation. Now, that's basically standard law,

[42:24] something that's going to go across the the way.

[42:27] » The way I would imagine you would do this is this is someone that's operating

[42:31] by permission on the airport. You need to tie that to basically rescending some

[42:38] of their authority to operate here if they don't.

[42:43] It's basically a contract between the two of you. This is not law per se that

[42:48] applies to everybody in the city. This is somebody that's operating here. And

[42:52] really, I think the the threat, if you want to say it, is if you keep doing

[42:57] this, violating our rules and our standards, you're not going to be out of

[43:00] your business or whatever it is you're doing here.

[43:04] » In the meantime, though, how do you go about kindly getting them to get to that

[43:09] point? >> Yeah. You know,

[43:11] » I think that's a great point, uh, what you're saying because rather than trying

[43:16] to go a legal route and all that stuff, you just administratively we just warn

[43:22] them and say, "Please don't do that again." And, right,

[43:25] » you know, and then the second time you warn them a little stronger and then you

[43:29] say, "Well, we're [snorts] to cancel your lease on your the tea hanger."

[43:32] » Yes. And I think we write that in, you know, that it's a part of our leases.

[43:36] It's already in there. If you will continually violate our rules and

[43:40] regulations, we're going to consider that a breach.

[43:42] » Yes, it should. >> And so that's part of the thing is is

[43:46] all of our leases will need to be re re-evaluated

[43:51] and there could be and I I think that's including the long-term leases on the

[43:55] ground as well. >> Yeah. to properly um

[44:00] reference these as exhibits to allow them to be flexible and can change but

[44:06] » also enforceable in some form of fashion like that by pulling your lease. Um

[44:13] operating agreements I mean that wouldn't be done without fair warning

[44:16] due process warning you know discontinued we consider it's it is of

[44:20] such nature that we would >> call your legal

[44:24] » yeah rules [clears throat] and regulations they're pretty

[44:27] stop it now kind of thing but as far as minimum standards that might be a little

[44:30] different >> as you've seen later as we we'll discuss

[44:33] later I know I'm kind of mixing old and new business together but they kind of

[44:37] some of some of the legalities of them work similar

[44:40] But the minimum standards >> as we'll discuss um those are some that

[44:45] you can establish a timeline saying given them 30 days or 45 days or 60 days

[44:50] whatever you're correct and if you don't then

[44:54] XYZ >> okay so we'll go through those next

[45:00] » what's that >> the

[45:02] » the rules and regulations >> rules and regulations

[45:04] » all right >> they haven't got an old business a new

[45:08] business now we'll go to standards. >> All right. Um, you'll see that there was

[45:13] there is a a print out for you that on that our

[45:19] friend Claude helped us out with a little bit through through support from

[45:23] our chairman. >> Yes. So, let me let me tell you what

[45:28] flaws pretty good if if you're very explicit what you're asking for.

[45:34] » They all are like that. >> Yes. And so

[45:38] I tried to do that. We tried to look at the old versus examples of new other

[45:44] airports and merge something together. But there's a this decision memo. It

[45:50] kind of takes you through and kind of gives you things to look at. But as you

[45:56] read the document, this will give you hopefully some

[46:01] idea of you know what's changed, what's not

[46:05] changed. Absolutely. I am not suggesting this is right, wrong, good or bad. Okay?

[46:11] I'm just saying there was a place to start

[46:16] » and I can I will also give you have another template too that we can

[46:21] put together with that and it's and I I'll send you I was uh going through and

[46:26] editing those to because it was a generic template and I took from another

[46:30] state and you don't there's no reason to reinvent the wheel especially if they

[46:35] thought about it because there are so many different aeronautical activities

[46:39] and aeronautical services I should say. >> Yes. So I guess that's a way to

[46:43] distinguish between the two minimum standards are really decided and set up

[46:47] for aeronautical um services

[46:52] » and a lot of the minimum standards as Paul to actually go through a lot of

[46:58] these decisions he needs to tell us what he recommends what should he that's

[47:01] exactly >> and do that for us to then go through

[47:05] and review and approve and

[47:07] » one of the things and I did like I said um before my staff that don't carry a

[47:13] badge and a gun. So, how do you enforce some of these and what are

[47:17] » what does it make sense? You can put them in there, but if you know that

[47:21] that's going to just cause a a riff or cause a problem, then you're constantly

[47:24] going to be, you know, uh saying please or don't do that again or whatever. I

[47:31] mean, it's so >> as an example, can you give us an

[47:37] example, too? [clears throat] Um,

[47:40] one of the things that most all the minimum standards have in common for

[47:45] aeronautical services is that you establish a um

[47:52] hours that you're open or x number of employees or days that you're open,

[47:55] things of that nature. And if you have people that are closing up shop early on

[48:01] a regular basis or not providing that service that you that they've stated

[48:05] they're going to uh that would be one that that you would that could easily be

[48:11] one that they find that you know we don't have any especially for like a

[48:15] flight school for example we don't have anything flying because the weather's

[48:18] bad in day or we don't have um anything on the schedule so we're not here. So

[48:23] there's just different things like that that if you establish those which

[48:27] upfront if you establish a minimum standard with them

[48:31] um that's the thing you make it so minimum that somebody that's full force

[48:44] in other words I'm paying somebody to be here

[48:48] » five days a week >> or seven days a week whatever the

[48:51] scenario is and then somebody just comes onto the ramp and decides to do flight

[48:55] school to be a flight school off the ramp. Um they come and go when they want

[49:00] to, but that doesn't and then you start trying to enforce it or trying to stop

[49:06] it and different things of that nature. It it starts becoming a little a little

[49:10] hairy in some cases just because >> and I've had it before for example on a

[49:16] maintenance shop. Uh the previous owner was quite vocal if you recall of Mac Air

[49:22] and when people would come in and try to do stuff on the ramp that for themselves

[49:26] or try to do stuff in their hangers for themselves that were above and beyond

[49:30] and he was basically saying why you're telling me I got to carry you know

[49:34] million dollars worth of insurance and he's got none

[49:38] and things like that you know and so there's a cost for me to have it. So,

[49:42] some of those same type of things as far as on those minimum standards.

[49:48] Um, making sure they're properly

[49:51] established, but also not. So, what do you put the minimum I guess is

[49:56] also does that make sense? My qu I know I'm kind of talking around and around,

[50:00] but because I've read it so much, it's hard to stay quite square on it. But I

[50:05] want things to be nice here, but also it's still we got to think about it as a

[50:08] community type general aviation airport. You got to make it business. You want

[50:16] you want it friendly for your businesses.

[50:18] » And if you get into a situation where you need the Shelby Police Department or

[50:21] emergency services or whatever, this is this is Shelbyville property. So,

[50:28] but like you say, you have to kind of handle

[50:33] it. [clears throat] Yeah. >> Yeah.

[50:36] » Yeah.

[50:40] So, one of the things for the minimum standards is trying to

[50:46] um

[50:50] establish all the different types of aeronautical services. And uh one

[50:54] particular template I have basically breaks it down to about 15 areas that

[51:00] need to be looked at and adopted and particularly critiqued

[51:04] for 15 general areas of of activity. Um,

[51:10] some go into more some some try to broaden them into different groups if

[51:14] you can. Um,

[51:24] so it just depends on how guess how detailed we want to get into

[51:29] the minimum finishes too. >> I think you need to give us a

[51:31] recommendation. Okay,

[51:36] I can I can do that and get it paid more than we are.

[51:40] [laughter]

[51:44] » You know, a >> just a little bit, huh? [laughter]

[51:47] » Or copy of our current standards [snorts]

[51:52] with a redlinined version of what you're recommending?

[51:56] » Well, that's that's mentioned before that that's our problem is our minimum

[51:59] standards. We don't have a freestanding document. the minimum standards for

[52:03] aeronautical services have been incorporated into their leases. So every

[52:09] one of them

[52:13] out those are just rules and they didn't have the minimum standards with them.

[52:20] » I think I sent you after the the last fear board meeting board. Sorry

[52:28] » which one you sent. Um I we currently have rules and regulations I'm aware and

[52:35] I had sent that out to you after the last meeting.

[52:38] » Yes, I got that. >> So those are our current we do have

[52:40] rules and regulations and I thought we had minimum standards maybe referenced

[52:45] in that or included in that. It does not. You've got uh rules and regulations

[52:49] executed and then you've got lease amendment final uh final clean copy of

[52:54] new lease hanger six macare lease um mac uh 8 and 10 lease and consent sub lease.

[53:02] » So the rules and regulations don't have minimum standards set in them.

[53:06] » No, there's two separate documents. M okay cuz if you want to one's

[53:12] guess you could say one regulates it's more for activity and one is for

[53:16] services but your rules and regulations are for everybody that are doing

[53:20] aeronautical activity on the air your minimum standards are for those that are

[53:24] providing a service and so in some cases you can look at it that um that's why

[53:31] the minimum standards in a lot of cases need to be pretty strong because it's

[53:35] going to be a black eye on the airport if somebody's not providing the proper

[53:38] kind of service are providing for service.

[53:41] » So I get what you're saying. You they have just been included inside their

[53:45] leases individually. >> Okay.

[53:47] » And they're all different. >> They may all be different until we

[53:52] consolidate at least on our land leases. I think they all have the same.

[53:57] » Yes. Majority. Yes. As far as the long-term land leases. Yes. Is the U

[54:04] section 3.1.3 talking about fuel storage facility?

[54:09] Will that change with MTSU? I mean, will you have to have more fuel storage,

[54:13] larger tanks or anything like that? It kind of gives you a design of what

[54:17] they've got there. >> Yep. Um

[54:21] what we have um there is right now one lease at this airport that allows for

[54:28] their own fuel and that uh that is the Kings Kings

[54:36] lease. Um other than that we tried to avoid that capability avoid that and I

[54:41] know in in in this particular situation with with with Doug now it could change

[54:46] in the future when I retire Doug retires. whatever, they might think of

[54:50] something different, but right now MTSU doesn't want the headache.

[54:53] » Yeah. >> Same thing for King.

[54:55] » King, >> even though he's got it in there and

[54:57] he's threatened it before and he's in the fuel business and so he knows what

[55:01] it's going to take to do it and he doesn't want to get into that because of

[55:04] So, um, it's never been an issue. Uh but that's and that's one of the things uh

[55:12] we probably need to find out is if we can remove that

[55:17] and not have it. >> Okay. Thank you.

[55:24] But you can again you just make it flexible enough that if for some reason

[55:28] the city decided at some point in time that they no longer wanted to be a full

[55:32] service FBO because somebody else came in and offered you know to to do that at

[55:38] something that was advantage of the airport because at some point in time we

[55:40] will get beat enough and enough activity here that we've already been there's

[55:45] we've already had two people come take a look at us that wanted to do something

[55:48] more. Um, and so we've had others that I'm sure will be back. Those two will be

[55:53] back at some point in time when the numbers finally get where they want them

[55:56] to be. >> Okay.

[55:57] » And they'll be trying to entice the city to turn it over to them.

[56:00] » Yeah.

[56:10] » The other thing is that the minimum standards and rules and regulations that

[56:14] have to be consistent across two documents.

[56:18] have to run that system. >> Yes. And then like as mentioned, I can't

[56:24] recall, but is then we would have to go back through

[56:29] and not only adjust our short-term leases, but all of our leases in some

[56:32] firm fashion confirm and and add bring those leases back in front of the

[56:38] authority through amendments that address these particular

[56:43] documents to keep them as exhibits that can be changed. And Jinger, is that

[56:48] something we can do or Well, I guess we can try.

[56:51] » We can try. It It depends on I mean, I don't remember how many old old leases

[56:56] we had out. >> The older ones the one I'm the most

[57:00] concerned about because they're very simple. I know that that some of them

[57:04] have definitely referenced you must follow standards.

[57:08] » There are some leases that say that. >> So, I'm not worried about changing the

[57:12] standards. Okay. Pretty sure it says in there as as

[57:15] » you know as they evolve over time. I just don't know exactly how many. I mean

[57:21] we we need to inventory. Yeah. >> Understand what each lease has. Some of

[57:25] them are so old. >> Do you think the leases were referring

[57:30] to the rules and regulations and the minimum standards as one document or two

[57:34] documents? >> I don't recall. most all airports

[57:40] they're supposed to be two separate documents but um but I I know that a lot

[57:45] of them reference our rules and regulations but do not reference minimum

[57:48] payments on some of the leases that we have and I can't recall which one

[57:51] because I've seen too many not sticking in my brain now

[57:56] » probably may have been references too I don't know I'll have to go back go by

[58:00] look and look and read see what this says

[58:02] » so so is there any way you can put a catchall statement in the minimum

[58:06] standards that say any leases that don't refer to adhering to the minimum

[58:11] standards shall adhere to the minimum standards.

[58:17] » I mean we can but we the it has to be it needs to get in the lease. The lease is

[58:22] where that language needs to be >> in the books. Yeah.

[58:25] » And that is one that I want to bring out is one of the air, one of the things

[58:29] that is recommended in the minimum standards that I've looked through is

[58:34] that you establish a lease with anybody that does a service here has a lease

[58:39] with you for x amount of square foot. And in some cases, it could be if

[58:43] they're just going to operate off the ramp, it could be that you're renting

[58:46] them a square footage of that particular airplane. But the idea is that you have

[58:50] a a lease with them. And that is one thing you can I guess in turn hold

[58:54] hostage. So that it is on those leases and you can and that was definitely a

[58:58] way >> or operating agreement.

[59:00] » Yeah, an operating agreement and you can definitely put those minimum and say

[59:04] reference those minimum standards big time in that to

[59:08] » those also is minimum standards for aeronautical

[59:13] activities and minimum standards for aeronautical services synonymous. That's

[59:18] on the agenda. We're talking about services. the handouts. Will you have

[59:22] activities? >> It really needs to be services

[59:28] because activities can uh that's really would be the rules and regulations in

[59:32] most cases because um just because the activities somebody wants to come out

[59:38] here and do um paragliding that's his own thing. It's not like he's now if he

[59:43] wanted to come out here and instruct then that's a service

[59:46] » and so there is a difference but if he's just want to do it for himself come out

[59:49] here at 6 o'clock in the morning go fly around the city to take a look and then

[59:53] come back and then he leaves that's that's an activity

[59:57] there is a difference so I look at it as >> activities would go under rules and

[1:00:01] regulations [snorts] >> yes

[1:00:03] » so this document here would be >> the header would be changed to services

[1:00:08] » yes I'm saying just apply to people of

[1:00:12] operating businesses. That's what you're saying.

[1:00:15] » Yes. >> Yeah. Gotcha. You're just trying to do

[1:00:18] here are basically if you're going to operate at the city, operate a business

[1:00:23] on city property. Here is the minimum we require you to do. That's what that

[1:00:29] that's that is. Everything else should be rules and regulations. Yes. Yes, I

[1:00:34] mean there could be one document but >> so that's one of the things you have to

[1:00:38] confirm if the the biggest part of it is um the minimum standards also help with

[1:00:45] the grant insurancees that state that you're going to have things can be fair

[1:00:48] and equal so that you have you requiring the proper insuranceances for everybody

[1:00:55] um that and then there is um one of the things I there's a little bit more I

[1:01:03] need to look as far as permits and things of that nature if there are any

[1:01:06] any permits that if they're here adhere to if

[1:01:11] somebody wants to service here on the field. I don't I've not been told of

[1:01:16] any. >> Say that again. What do you mean?

[1:01:19] » Permit or anything that do we have to do we need to make sure that we reference

[1:01:23] it in the minimum standards that we have on file their business tax license or

[1:01:28] how is it supposed to or is there a permit to

[1:01:31] » somebody that's been called out to work on a plane. Is that what you're saying?

[1:01:36] » Any Yeah. So that if you're providing a something that would have a tax that

[1:01:43] it's not that's going to go to the proper location versus going back to

[1:01:47] wherever they're based. That makes sense.

[1:01:52] » We would we dealt with him some time ago. I thought

[1:01:58] I somebody was called out having

[1:02:03] a long time.

[1:02:08] Okay, that's something else. >> Okay, so if you can get all of this

[1:02:13] stuff to us, everybody >> and then we'll try to get it reviewed

[1:02:17] and go through. Okay,

[1:02:25] great. Anything else on that? We come to the favor agenda topic.

[1:02:33] You need electric for a big illustrious kill. [laughter]

[1:02:50] » And this is well Lisa is aware of how all this works

[1:02:55] for >> well for the vice chairman um you would

[1:02:59] be completing Mr. Larson's term. So um until January is that when we do it

[1:03:05] January or we do it in July January. >> So you would be completing his term

[1:03:10] until January and then we would have elections at that time. So I would call

[1:03:15] for a nomination for someone for vice chair.

[1:03:18] » All right. Mr. Cruz since he's a lot of servant. [laughter]

[1:03:26] » Any other nominations? Any other nominations?

[1:03:31] Okay. Uh all in favor for Mr. Cruz being uh the vice chair say I.

[1:03:37] » All opposed. [snorts] >> Congratulations until January.

[1:03:41] [laughter] >> Okay. I tell you I'm not

[1:03:45] » you right. >> Okay. Congratulations.

[1:03:51] » Um construction update. >> Okay. Well, I might ask the gentleman in

[1:03:56] the corner for one thing and see if he's got anything from his side and I'll I'll

[1:04:00] get what I'll start filling in after you.

[1:04:02] » Sure. So, on our project, I actually just came from the construction monthly

[1:04:06] construction meeting this morning. It's been over a month since I walked the

[1:04:10] site. So, it was nice to see the progress. We're about 90% framed out on

[1:04:14] the first floor of the flight ops building and probably 30 to 40% framed

[1:04:19] out on the second story. Um in the hanger floor they're finishing up the

[1:04:24] tubing for the heated floor and and expect to start pulling slab next week

[1:04:28] and also on the apron um space aircraft parking gate video to start asphalt next

[1:04:36] week. So >> things are things are of course this is

[1:04:40] part of the project that you see all the progress happen right and it then it

[1:04:44] looks like nothing happens but it it is really great to see it. I apologize. I'm

[1:04:47] going >> I'm not gonna say that we don't have any

[1:04:49] big hurdles right now, but so I don't jinx it, but we don't have any big

[1:04:53] hurdles right now. [laughter]

[1:04:57] » John, you got anything to add from Carl's perspective? I see you guys

[1:05:00] having to dig up some spots. You keep filling in and then digging back up and

[1:05:03] fill it in and dig it back up. >> I think they're they're doing one more

[1:05:07] water line, but I I think we're going to be done in week or two probably.

[1:05:12] » Okay. Um, unfortunately on our side of things

[1:05:17] for the big projects with curl, as a matter of fact, on our side, we're still

[1:05:22] in a holding pattern. The state and the federal government have us just sitting

[1:05:26] here. Um, we call regularly, knock on their door regularly, but it's

[1:05:33] they just kind of ignore us now. >> Um, so we're just waiting. We've

[1:05:38] provided them all the information. actually in more than a few cases we

[1:05:41] provided it like three and four times the exact same information to different

[1:05:45] people and sometimes to the same people which is so um we're just hoping

[1:05:52] Colonel's going to be nice to us and doesn't

[1:05:55] they don't change their mind when it comes time to finally get it taken care

[1:05:58] of and um they can move on it quickly we hope um the other construction we've had

[1:06:06] that you might have seen as you've come by uh two different things happened

[1:06:09] here. One, we had a a waterline issue at at Patriot and so there was a lot of

[1:06:16] equipment you probably saw out here and we had three buildings without water for

[1:06:20] a while until we can get that found. Uh it cost us about luckily the labor

[1:06:26] public works is not going to charge us for the labor, but u was nice enough to

[1:06:30] charge us about $16,000 worth of water without telling us that we had an issue.

[1:06:36] Um, but we're going to try to work with >> Yeah. We had two

[1:06:42] » three months worth of >> overages and they had and we we found it

[1:06:46] at the city. >> Yeah.

[1:06:48] » And work through the process, but we're going to

[1:06:51] our city treasur is going to work with us and try to work with each side to try

[1:06:55] to get some of that back. >> Um, but they would have just kept going,

[1:06:59] I'm sure, as long as they keep charging us. Uh but we'll have to u when we redo

[1:07:07] the driveway over here after the plane for we'll be having to redo this

[1:07:12] driveway over here for uh fireh hall 3 because we've had to tear that up twice.

[1:07:18] Um right now they're able to utilize and they do utilize our ramp but uh they can

[1:07:22] cross that but it's not it's not nice and so it will wear and pop loose and so

[1:07:28] they did replace all the piping through there. Uh they found some old stuff that

[1:07:33] had just been abandoned in place. They did remove that. Um the other you saw

[1:07:39] that we were kind of surprised about was a fiber optic cable that came in from

[1:07:43] United um that was brought in for we're not

[1:07:48] even really sure who who instigated it. Uh they picked probably one of the

[1:07:53] hardest places. There might have been one other place that was harder to put

[1:07:56] in that would have been hard to put in a conduit for fiber optic.

[1:08:01] And they in turn only cut they cut one line for AT&T. So they'll have to pay

[1:08:06] for that. But it does feed those other hangers in Mac Air and some other. So we

[1:08:11] do have fiber optic cable coming from 231 to the north area of the airport.

[1:08:16] That's the only place that has it because we we had it laid out for here

[1:08:20] but the water line at GSU took our money because we were fiber optics for

[1:08:24] » the rest of the infield. Um, and with that, I don't Was there any

[1:08:29] update on that? As far as I know, Tomcat is no longer involved. They're rerouting

[1:08:35] the water line. And I think Carl, will you take John, were you guys taking care

[1:08:40] of that water line and gas line, you know,

[1:08:44] at the front? >> I should check on that.

[1:08:46] » It seems like they because they they're changing that the way it was laid out.

[1:08:50] So, they was going they were stepping back as far as

[1:08:54] » the utilities. that uh MTSU entrance parking lot

[1:08:59] » I don't have >> uh

[1:09:03] » I was trying to remember there was >> if you don't have it don't worry

[1:09:08] » um the taxi way you'll see you might you

[1:09:13] not see because you're not >> you're not taxiing by

[1:09:16] » but they have laid out and they are starting the electrical work not the not

[1:09:20] the asphalt work I imagine that'll come in later I'm not sure when you guys are

[1:09:23] doing that taxially aren't Correct. >> Um, so now they're going to be laying

[1:09:28] out the the they'll be cutting into our runway lights and our taxiway lights.

[1:09:35] Mainly our taxiway lights. We can run them separate. We will be running them

[1:09:38] separately, but the first step is to run the wires for the the lights. They got

[1:09:42] it staked out and they should be doing that in the next 30 days or less.

[1:09:47] They've actually talked to me like they're trying to get it done like this

[1:09:50] week or next. They hope to be able to get the wiring and the conduits for the

[1:09:53] wiring for the lights. Uh they're they're experiencing some of the same

[1:09:57] problems any airport does. Uh the light people don't really pay much attention

[1:10:01] to you unless you're doing an entire airport. If you just want a small

[1:10:04] quantity, they're looking at I think they're doing eight or 10 12 something

[1:10:08] like that. They don't really pay much attention to. So you're at their mercy

[1:10:13] until they deliver them. >> Okay. So that's what they're So think

[1:10:17] that's the majority of what we got going on right now. Hopefully at some point in

[1:10:20] time this list will be a whole lot longer than you guys as far as

[1:10:22] instruction. >> Okay.

[1:10:26] » Good report. Anything else?

[1:10:32] » I believe we will. >> Thank everybody for serving. We

[1:10:36] appreciate it. [clears throat]

[1:10:45] » We'll see next month. You'll see. >> Do we need to take off from the mayor?

[1:10:50] » Do we need to take an offer from the

[1:10:57] [laughter]

[1:11:01] » probably summary of just anything you see from

[1:11:06] anything else? >> Sure.

[1:11:10] » I'll try to do I'll be able to look at what their minimum standards are.

[1:11:18] Ron Miller.

[1:11:39] » That's not good. >> May I had to leave early last time?

[1:11:46] Egypt would

Shelbyville Municipal Airport Authority Regular Monthly Meeting - August 2026

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