[0:00] 30,

[0:03] but it says, resulting in a required setback of 30 feet from the property line.

[0:10] Yeah, so the county code for the road setbacks is 50 feet from the center line, right? So, if Colin Barrow is 40 foot right away, we take half of that, so that's 20, right? And you take the 20 from the 50, you have 30 feet remaining.

[0:27] that goes in, so the building can't be 30 feet from.

[0:36] So it's 20 foot set back, so it's 10 feet off of the easily.

[0:42] Whichever is greater, because they say it's either 50 feet from the center line or 20 feet from the property.

[0:49] So in the case of Combera, if you have a 40 foot easement, it's 20 feet to the edge of the road,

[0:57] but they say you have to be 50 feet from the center line.

[1:01] So you have to go another 30, so you're actually 30 feet in.

[1:07] That's why this is your here, right?

[1:13] So here's Combera.

[1:14] You had to go 20 feet in, right?

[1:19] But they're still requiring it has to be 50 feet from the ceramics.

[1:23] This would be 30.

[1:25] So basically, the house is a pre-existing, non-conforming structure.

[1:29] That does not conform to current county.

[1:32] Yes.

[1:32] And we're okay with that.

[1:34] It's just, we're adding a deck to it,

[1:37] which still would be okay,

[1:38] which is concerned with the visibility.

[1:40] But if you're okay with allowing the debt, that would be it.

[1:47] I personally don't have a problem with the debt.

[1:50] I mean, looking at the vegetation, you know, and knowing that area, but, you know, some of,

[1:58] I think the debt's going to be lower than the existing vegetation on the side of Colomarrow,

[2:03] so I don't have a problem with it.

[2:06] And the visibility there and given the amount of traffic, you know, it's the clock.

[2:11] It's just down, you know, a poop in there.

[2:13] Yeah, totally interesting, but I'm just giving you my justifications on why I don't have a problem with this at all.

[2:21] Question about that emotion economy.

[2:23] Is that emotion a period of, is that the maximum height of that emotion?

[2:27] There's a pencil.

[2:28] I did sexy height.

[2:29] I think it's a bush.

[2:31] Yes, how is it going to grow?

[2:32] That's a high, I don't let it go over the fence line because of the intersection.

[2:35] It's a lot of water.

[2:36] I just make sure that you keep it there.

[2:38] I want to get it's freight train in that intersection, then where did it be on the hook floor?

[2:43] Yep, I know everything.

[2:44] Item five of the conditions talks about having landscaping not in P. then quarter.

[2:56] Which, yeah, so with that as Commissioner Ville, do you have any questions or comments?

[3:01] I like to make a motion.

[3:02] Okay, go ahead.

[3:03] I move that we adopt resolution P.C. 2.0.

[3:06] There should zero, zero, eight, proving the high variance with the steeper exemption subject

[3:14] to the recommendations by the attention.

[3:17] Hey, we have a motion, do we have a second?

[3:21] I will second it.

[3:22] Okay.

[3:23] So, I have a discussion,

[3:28] yes.

[3:28] Do you want to admit?

[3:29] We have no moment.

[3:32] Okay.

[3:32] Just for the discussion.

[3:34] Okay.

[3:34] So we have a motion in a second.

[3:37] Any further discussion?

[3:38] What's your family?

[3:40] That.

[3:42] So, for our

[3:48] certification,

[3:53] I get the cloud is unincorporated.

[3:56] I mean, then incorporated,

[3:58] that in the four zones,

[4:00] why we get such a,

[4:05] we run into this a lot in the cloud.

[4:09] The current county code

[4:13] with the setbacks,

[4:17] streets and highways,

[4:22] I understand the,

[4:24] We're created for unincorporated areas, not really taking into consideration

[4:31] City of or the town in the cloud.

[4:38] And I'm thinking about this.

[4:41] This setback obviously takes out a third of this house.

[4:48] And

[4:51] as we are doing our general plan,

[4:58] I hate to complicate things, but do we need to carve out a section in this rewrite that would apply specifically to unincorporated towns and municipalities by the Callahan, McLeod, Town, Town,

[5:20] Hornbrook that do not have their own planning departments and the setbacks would be framed

[5:36] so that we can eliminate some of these pre-existing, unconforming structures to save time

[5:45] So we don't have to have projects in the future like this coming before us, that with a common sense change in language.

[5:56] No variance would be needed here.

[5:59] Is that something, I'm just throwing it out to staff to consider because of this project.

[6:07] And as I look at setbacks, it would make sense if this were a setback coming off a highway 93, highway 97.

[6:16] coming off of the Oberlin Road. Okay, I'd get that. In the town that

[6:21] went cloud, in the town of Calen, down in Horses Creek, Happy Camp. I mean, we're

[6:26] having various issues in the town of Happy Camp right now, just like this. So maybe

[6:31] we would staff, I'm going to throw some work at you. We maybe need this phrase, some

[6:38] things a little differently in our setbacks, and these unincorporated counts. I'm just

[6:42] I wanted out there as it relates to this problem.

[6:45] It may be like we can talk about it more in the school business.

[6:48] But I want to make sure that's on the record because I foresee a lot of these.

[6:51] We've already had two and a half a can.

[6:53] We have one in the cloud.

[6:54] I'm sure we may have another one in the cloud.

[6:56] Yeah.

[6:57] It's a concern.

[6:58] I have.

[6:58] Through the chair, I'd just like to make note, right?

[7:01] As a Gem Dice, we're going to be discussing the draft-semin code for the next item.

[7:05] We have talked about this a little bit, you know, and I do think there are some reductions

[7:10] that we already have implemented in terms of the zoning, right? This is a res line. We would assume

[7:16] it's in an unincorporated town, community, not somewhere on, you know, see somewhere or whatever, right?

[7:25] So just something to be aware of as we go.

[7:27] Just trying to say stop time.

[7:30] We have an ideal. We had it worded right. This project wouldn't even be in front of us for this reason. Right. Yeah, the setbacks are really generalized right now. The coverage and moderation, but for variants for distances, setbacks, we probably wouldn't see this.

[7:44] Let's take a toast. Right. Right.

[7:46] way about it. I'm making sure of diesel but understand what we're doing today. All we're doing

[7:53] is sports. And we're not doing anything with the garage theory.

[7:58] Yeah, that's one thing front of us in our pocket.

[8:01] Okay. So that whatever transpired building department about the new garage is a separate issue.

[8:09] And I agree with, with Dusty, and the greater one role of the DJI will have gone to the deal with this is unacceptable to me.

[8:19] A lot of us have to do with staff.

[8:20] I just look at the department here.

[8:22] You guys are so understaffed as a problem.

[8:25] All of the county staffs in all of the departments are way understaffed because of funding.

[8:30] So that's the way.

[8:32] And when I'm seeing contractors, they're one works for me.

[8:34] And these wait 18 months to get a $2 million home build because of that.

[8:41] Two foot extension over this exact thing that they had to modify that building.

[8:50] That's crazy.

[8:51] Absolutely crazy.

[8:53] So are you gentlemen clear that all we're dealing with is the porch?

[8:57] Yes, sir.

[8:58] Yes, sir.

[8:58] I have one question just in its clarification also for the project of the moment, just so

[9:06] we have it on the record.

[9:09] This is my question from Mr. Felser, to remember.

[9:13] When it comes to assessing coverage of a parser, I get that it only counts root structure.

[9:28] Does it take the footprint of the foundation or does it take the area of the roof line?

[9:39] I agree with that.

[9:41] I agree with that.

[9:43] But I guess, I know I look at, I look at there being scenarios as we talk about coverage of a

[9:54] parcel, as we've been talking about our general plan, a percentage of coverage.

[10:01] And it makes me think there are times where you may want to run an E for whether sun, snow

[10:13] load, radiation, et cetera.

[10:17] I understand where it may be at advantageous to extend that out further in my mind, and

[10:24] beyond the non-ductors, I would look at the coverage being the foundation of footprint, not the roof wall and foot print.

[10:33] And I'm just putting that out there.

[10:35] That's how building does it.

[10:36] If you look at the building, they don't calculate the square footage based on the floor area.

[10:42] That's not a thought.

[10:43] That's not a thought.

[10:44] I didn't understand your question.

[10:46] Thank you.

[10:46] I did want to point out that code section that we're dealing with here.

[10:51] If you look, it's talking about every road, right?

[10:55] Anything dedicated to public use, all state roads and highways.

[10:59] So it's not just roads in the county system.

[11:01] So this 50-foot set back, this isn't like a standard in the state.

[11:05] So we want to really be careful.

[11:09] Doing very instances is one thing.

[11:10] But we want to make sure we're one of our new code

[11:14] is consistent with cow chances, you know, in the states.

[11:19] You know, requirements, so I don't know what it would make sense for us, too.

[11:24] Well, I would say, why don't we talk about, yeah, we'll talk about that on general plan.

[11:27] Yeah, yeah.

[11:28] Yeah, yeah.

[11:28] Let's talk about that.

[11:29] I'd like to call it a roll.

[11:31] I'll call it a roll.

[11:32] I'll call it a roll.

[11:34] I just have a quick question.

[11:36] Given the fact that the view issue seems to have been reduced, the skirt is kind of important

[11:44] to our architectural reference.

[11:46] We don't know.

[11:48] We don't.

[11:48] We just giving you the green light and the board you took great. Thank you.

[11:53] Yep. You can. Yeah. Um, so with that, uh, roll call vote. Commissioner Hart. Yes.

[11:59] Commissioner foul. Yes. Commissioner deal. Yes. Commissioner Lender. Yes.

[12:05] And Chairman Lender. Absolutely. Great. Okay. I think he's very much fair to you all very much.

[12:10] So moving on to old business agenda item more zoning code update. This is a preliminary public review draft.

[12:18] staff is workplace? Yes. As you know, last few months the last few meetings of the commission we have

[12:27] been going over the zoning code in detail, those edits were made based on the planning

[12:34] commissions we view. Thereafter we submitted those changes to County Council's office, Mr. Carol

[12:43] we've used them, and provided comments here.

[12:47] Those were all incorporated and sent to the consultants

[12:51] and they incorporated county council's comments.

[12:54] And this is the final product that, for your final review,

[13:02] before I joined the meeting with the Board of Supervisors,

[13:05] staff did have some additional comments

[13:09] that I would like to go over with you

[13:11] to get clarification on regarding the most recent version when you're ready.

[13:19] Yeah, real quickly before you begin, you said joint meeting with the Board of Supervisors

[13:23] has that date, it's October 20th.

[13:26] Yeah, I was going to mention it during the next slide, but I'm not sure if it's okay.

[13:33] I didn't bring the peak factor, did you bring the peak factor?

[13:36] I'll have it on the right side.

[13:38] I'll have it on the left side.

[13:38] I'll get it.

[13:38] I'll have it on the left side.

[13:41] I'll have it on the left side.

[13:43] Okay.

[13:44] And you don't have the rise.

[13:46] Yeah, I do.

[13:47] Well, I don't know why you're hurt.

[13:49] I don't have the rise of coverage.

[13:51] So it's ours.

[13:52] I got this courtesy assistant telephone.

[13:57] So my Adobe Act of that says it wants to update,

[14:00] but I have a word version on here.

[14:04] So you don't only want to update when we do a presentation,

[14:07] but there were some concerns that I wanted

[14:10] And before I feel the questions from the commission, I wanted to put it out and I never

[14:17] have a good memory, so I wrote them in the side so I would remember.

[14:22] But basically on page 52 in your PDF that you have, we have a section regarding the zoning,

[14:37] zoning clearance permits. And when I was reading it this week, preparing for our meeting

[14:45] today, if you look at the highlighted section, it's basically saying, we now are going

[14:52] to require a permit for anything anybody wants to do in the county if it's permitted. And

[14:58] I didn't think that would be the end of the day.

[15:00] Attention of our commission. It's right now, it says.

[15:04] But thank you. What I'm following? 52.

[15:08] Hey, 52, look at your PDF.

[15:11] Gender packages, you be on.

[15:12] Okay. Hang on one second. Let me catch up there.

[15:15] Could there are some pages that I thought I had questions on prior to 52?

[15:20] Oh yeah, these were just things that I noticed and then we could go through anything that.

[15:24] Let me jump to 52.

[15:27] The zoning class.

[15:28] age 38, 59,

[15:43] 58, 52, here we go.

[15:46] So the shots here, can you see that in our

[15:49] course or be all? Yes, okay.

[16:02] Any activity related by the zoning code?

[16:06] And I understand, I think our initial discussion in commission was, if someone has a

[16:13] huge project, they believe it's permitted, but they just want to

[16:16] before they invest a bunch of money, they come in and we could issue a zoning clearance permit,

[16:22] saying, yes, this project is permitted and they would feel better about proceeding within

[16:27] multi-million dollar project. I don't believe it was commissions intention to say any permitted use in a district requires one of these permits.

[16:37] And the way we're read is written now is the commencement of any actually I've regulated by a zoning code unless expressly

[16:44] is going to require one of these zoning permits and I went through there are no exemptions.

[16:51] So we say, unless exempted but then we don't exempt anything.

[16:55] So the consequence is every permitted use that we went through,

[17:01] let me find the actual use table.

[17:03] is that a fresh exemption referring to our plethora of items that we went down where they were

[17:17] containered necessary. I'll find another one. It's allowed by right. Yeah, what I'm referring to.

[17:25] Let me show you that table. It is referring to that table, but if you look at that table,

[17:29] the table even says it requires a zoning plan that's printed. And I don't believe that

[17:34] That was an order of tension.

[17:36] That's exactly right.

[17:37] That's right.

[17:38] I mean, that was the whole reason for going down and adding additional these are considered

[17:42] a necessary allowed by right permit not needed.

[17:47] Yep.

[17:47] And the whole intent, right, is for uses that are not expressively or they're in the gray,

[17:51] or, you know, they just need additional consideration.

[17:53] Okay.

[17:54] We're on the same page.

[17:55] I'm getting why, yeah, this language is not appropriate.

[18:00] A pro please a bowl. Yeah, if you give me one moment. These things only occur to our presentation. I have Mr. Dean's old laptop

[18:11] It's like it, but I want to hear what you next out the question for Ms. Line Zoning clearance permit is that simply a reference to

[18:23] Planning staff signs off. Yes, this is allowed correct and we don't have anything in our code right now

[18:30] that really speak. It's sort of like our planning director determinations. It's just formalizing it

[18:35] because we don't really have a set process and it's just to let folks know and you have something you know in between

[18:41] we'll review it.

[18:44] The permit move on.

[18:46] As of September 16th, 2026, this county does not issue a zoning plan that's permits.

[18:59] Right.

[19:00] existence. So maybe that language, the words there, that's exactly right.

[19:06] Need to be modified instead of it being called a permit.

[19:11] Can you feel like a certain player's review or planning director something?

[19:18] Like, is this basically like pre-concultation, right?

[19:22] Like, I tell you guys, hey, the way I read the code, this is allowed on just getting

[19:29] Yes, I think.

[19:30] The yes and the I don't need a permit.

[19:32] Right. I think like a zoning clearage review would make sense because again it's speaking to

[19:39] uses their eyes, pressively in the code, whereas is it allowed by right?

[19:43] Well you need a use permit should there be a zone change?

[19:46] It's, you know, giving that information to the applicant and formalizing it because so many times

[19:51] I dealt with this for the years I worked at the county.

[19:54] Oh, so when so approved this X amount of years ago, okay, well, where is the paperwork or the allowance for it?

[20:00] Oh, there isn't anything, right? So it's just to make sure we have some things, you know, I said back that.

[20:05] I agree with Jeff, they'll call in at a permit.

[20:08] Yeah, we'll kind of put a clearance review.

[20:10] A clearance review. I think changing the name or the name, the reference to how you're describing it.

[20:17] I don't have any problem with having it a forum, if you will, you can check these boxes.

[20:23] pre-consultation is what we do in my industry and it saves a lot of time and money on everybody's

[20:29] part.

[20:31] So, having that, I just yet another permit to mean something more regulating.

[20:39] This isn't a regulated process.

[20:41] So, I did definitely change that.

[20:43] Well, we'll rename it.

[20:46] So, good catch there.

[20:47] Here's a good example of Commissioner Fowl.

[20:50] He was a friend of the table's movement through in depth and all those meetings

[20:54] So if you look at this table, right for AG1, AG2, TPC, and open space

[21:01] Single family dwellings are permitted, right? So they shouldn't need to but according to this table

[21:07] For me, but you all they also would need to get a zoning plan is permanent

[21:10] So I'm not sure if that was the intention of the

[21:15] Dimitian

[21:16] I didn't believe it was and so I think this may have to change

[21:21] If that makes sense, right, because these are all permitted uses p means permitted by right.

[21:28] What's the table you choose?

[21:29] For the double.

[21:30] This is table 10.1-3-1.

[21:34] This would be in part five.

[21:36] What do you think that would be?

[21:39] Yeah.

[21:41] Yeah, so we would just want to modify to say a lot of by right.

[21:44] And then we would put some ink clear in the permit and then just modify the language to allow for that process to occur.

[21:50] But use is not expressively identified in the code.

[21:53] So we would that want to go through all the tables.

[21:58] And do that.

[22:00] And then I'm going to go to the permit section.

[22:13] So here's the zoning clearance permit.

[22:21] So yeah, we just want to revise maybe this to maybe indicate this is more of a voluntary thing.

[22:28] with a property owner.

[22:30] What did it specific you authorized ahead of time? So it's clear that this is a causal take note.

[22:37] You don't need to permit for everything you do now. I think it would be an uproar.

[22:42] I think it's a good process to have that documentation. I'm there referencing what we just heard, like so and so left.

[22:52] And then the child has got dropped, at least you have a review.

[22:56] I think it takes a couple of functions.

[22:59] Reviews to the, you know what he said,

[23:01] or vice versa, or additional staff,

[23:04] as well as I think it kind of

[23:05] on those sources like a tracking mechanism.

[23:08] Absolutely tiny.

[23:10] Like what you know when you work on these,

[23:13] for work structure, I see, I see good things,

[23:16] as well as making sure things are dropped.

[23:18] Well, it's not because I feel bad when, you know,

[23:20] Well, and right, like, and get dropped.

[23:22] Myself and James, we interpret things a different way.

[23:25] You know, at least that formalization would be in there.

[23:27] If someone else down the road, you know, would, oh, it's already, okay.

[23:30] Let's move forward, right?

[23:32] So, yep, no, okay.

[23:33] So I think that, okay, so-

[23:35] The commission be agreeable for us to make those modifications

[23:38] to the zone and claim it's permit.

[23:40] Because I don't believe that was your intention

[23:42] to over-regulate the calendar.

[23:44] No, it was a under-regulate, but not under-regulate,

[23:46] but make things just simplified.

[23:48] We're trying to simplify and longer I said here, I remember the discussion that took place on this.

[24:00] I think a more appropriate term may be zoning clearance approval.

[24:08] Okay, and I know within this section, it talks about the applicant providing the name,

[24:18] the location, the parcel number, the description of the activity, potential site plans

[24:25] and additional information, et cetera, that they bring to planning staff to say, my interpretation

[24:32] of the code says I don't need to use permit on allowed to buy right, but this is what I'm

[24:37] finding undoing can you confirm that and that Avenue is there as my memory serves because

[24:46] some lending entities before they will allow an entity to borrow money for construction

[24:56] building etc need just a piece of paper saying yes this is this is legal within the

[25:03] you assist you. Yeah. And so this is that avenue that you get a slain signature. Yep, a lot

[25:10] by right. Yeah, it's certainly neat that. Yeah, and that would be a voluntary as opposed to

[25:17] every person that that wants to build a home now needs it and another permit that we wouldn't want that

[25:22] to hurt. Okay. So we have to since it's been the question though that brings up is the item C

[25:30] fees. The application shall be accompanied by the required fee.

[25:40] So there's a

[25:40] fee for pre-consultation? Not for pre-application, now that's free. Well, we have one here.

[25:46] Yes. Yes. Because we're trying to eliminate or minimize the hassles of the

[26:02] came to the table or the counter and said, hey, this is what I'm planning to do, is why I understand

[26:07] I'm allowed to do by right. Do we, is it reasonable to say we need to assess a fee just for a

[26:15] consultation? I don't think so. Right. Yeah. And that would be up to the commission to decide that

[26:19] whether or not that fees appropriate. Strike C. Okay. This would be right here.

[26:30] This is part of

[26:34] The answer is back from you guys. This is just a Q&A.

[26:37] I would say the fee if anything would be minimal could really stop time.

[26:43] We would look up the parcel. We would see the zoning. We would look up the allowable uses.

[26:48] We could generate. I have an issue with the pre-consultation having a fee associated with it.

[26:54] If it requires a use permit. Yeah.

[26:57] Generally, some other permit a change in zoning requirement, et cetera, absolutely feet for a staff time.

[27:08] Simply to look and verify is what code says, this is what the opponent wants to do.

[27:14] No, a necessary, your good, go ahead and do it, I'll sign you off so you can borrow the money.

[27:19] Okay, yeah, we're it's okay to remove it, but I just as I say like if stat has to generate an official document

[27:26] Which is because it's a voluntary process it would be different because right now pre-consultation

[27:32] We don't trust it cost to make copy

[27:35] No, it's not just I don't know that it's the copies to hit it

[27:39] We have to generate an actual official

[27:42] Document right because they're gonna take hey we pre-approved, but I think it needs to we need that I think this is a point to

[27:49] because I see where you're going because it's saying it's a big development and they

[27:53] want some pre-consultation and there's a lot of research, et cetera, and then

[27:58] need to give the answer. I can see that. But if this is like, hey, I'm gonna add a

[28:05] deck and I'm in here and then they need to check some boxes. But I can see, I can see

[28:12] that they're using. Because I'm just thinking from like a developer standpoint, you're

[28:17] put in a subdivision. They get out of a lot of their questions answered potentially in this that would

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