[0:00] September 15, 2010.

[0:02] Mayor Bester.

[0:06] Councillor Travis Lopez.

[0:08] Councillor Dean.

[0:10] Councillor Fleming.

[0:11] Yeah, Councillor Gonzalez, he's at his council meeting right now, should be here in a little bit.

[0:17] Council, Yeah.

[0:20] Senator Partridge.

[0:22] Councillor Romero.

[0:24] Councillor Solomi.

[0:25] We have a quorum.

[0:26] Christ, you Pledge of Allegiance.

[0:35] And understand.

[0:45] Move. We approve the.

[0:48] Consent agenda.

[0:50] As presented.

[0:52] Second. Second, any discussion on it?

[0:55] Fonte.

[0:56] Aye.

[0:58] And.

[1:01] I've done that.

[1:04] And the approval of the agenda and the consideration of the minutes and.

[1:08] We're right up to the public forum.

[1:13] We have this oral Stingrays.

[1:16] That are here.

[1:21] Cody.

[1:23] Good afternoon. So it's just me today.

[1:25] Seasons been really chaotic.

[1:27] And I was not able to get on the agenda because I've been out of town until now.

[1:31] And we're far enough out of the season that I was not able to organize my kids and my coaches to be here.

[1:36] But I still wanted to thank you guys.

[1:38] I know you guys didn't run the pool this year, but.

[1:40] I mean, you still paid for our transportation and our insurance and.

[1:43] I don't think we could afford her on a swim team without self support.

[1:46] Our costs would go up to like around.

[1:50] 200 bucks a kid and I don't think that's doable for most of our students.

[1:53] For most of our swimmers, so I would just like to give my.

[1:56] My my gratitude to the city for continuing to support us.

[2:00] Even though the obligation is now through tech, through our.

[2:03] Are pulling it well. We appreciate your leadership in this program.

[2:07] Is this going to be your last year?

[2:09] I'm here for at least another summer.

[2:11] Holograms. Because how long has it been now?

[2:13] This this is my fourth year.

[2:15] As head coach.

[2:16] Well, great. Good job. So how many do you know numbers. Do you have any numbers? So I had 65 kids this year. I'm a little bit

[2:22] down. We had 79 last year. I think part of it was starting so late in the season.

[2:27] I was projecting around 80.

[2:30] I got more swimmers.

[2:32] Our I have more new swimmers than we had in the last few years, so if we continue to follow that trend.

[2:38] Should be around 8085.

[2:40] Next year or the year after?

[2:41] I'm hoping to chase that.

[2:43] Were you guys pretty competitive?

[2:45] This is a rough year. We got in the water really late. We usually start in May through a high school clinic.

[2:49] We work with tech to use.

[2:51] Our season was cut from around 10 weeks.

[2:54] Almost 4.

[2:57] So now how did it work out with tech and everything?

[3:00] Good. We.

[3:02] Got in the water late.

[3:03] But that was just.

[3:05] A whole bunch of stuff that.

[3:06] Was kind of out of our control.

[3:09] Tech's done a good job of operating the facility.

[3:11] They've gotten their lifeguards there. They've.

[3:13] I have the staff.

[3:15] They've done a good job.

[3:17] So, so will you have another session that's going to be in the spring?

[3:20] What are we going to do with that? Are they going to?

[3:22] So I'm hoping it's depending on what tech decides the pilot is up in.

[3:27] To me, I don't remember the MLU.

[3:30] So I'm hoping whatever pool, if we have a pool open, we'll we'll start back up in May.

[3:35] We're doing some winter stuff right now informally.

[3:37] That's through Coach Dow and I as an independent contractors.

[3:40] Just because our league doesn't let us swim out of season.

[3:43] It's an insurance thing, so we're.

[3:45] Independently insured.

[3:47] Through another group and we're doing some.

[3:50] Out of season work, but our season picks back up in May.

[3:52] Well, congratulations for the young people.

[3:55] Yeah, speaking as a council member but also a parent, I.

[3:59] Session that's going to be in the spring.

[4:02] So I'm OK and depending on what?

[4:06] There's an echo, light echo in, you know, I was a ventriloquist.

[4:14] Sorry about that.

[4:17] We're doing the.

[4:19] I want to thank you guys and just a council member but also a parent. All my kids went through the program and.

[4:24] And you guys promote.

[4:26] Like very positive environment, very.

[4:30] Competitive environment and.

[4:32] And you guys promote a sport?

[4:34] That you can do lifelong.

[4:35] Lifelong health. We really appreciate what you guys do.

[4:38] Thank you. Yeah.

[4:40] I like the the things y'all do with swim.

[4:42] Cody, you guys compete in the biggest classes like.

[4:46] Wrestling does.

[4:48] You guys start with your kids at a very young age and see them through the high school, the same coaches.

[4:53] See those kids through their high school years.

[4:56] So I think I do a great job. We're grateful.

[4:58] That you do what you do.

[5:00] So we appreciate that. Thank you.

[5:03] Thank you, Cody. Good job.

[5:04] Thank you guys.

[5:08] Anyone else on the?

[5:10] That's not on the agenda. I would like to make a comment.

[5:13] Public forum.

[5:15] Yes, ma'am, That's right.

[5:21] Mayor Basker and city councilors.

[5:24] The people of Sakura deserve to know about.

[5:26] Proposed industrial development.

[5:29] IE data centers within our neighborhood.

[5:32] And as we have seen in.

[5:34] Spaceport and Santa Rosa data center developers try to sneak into communities.

[5:40] That's before many of the aspects can be examined.

[5:44] And before the public can voice their concerns.

[5:47] And that's why moratoriums are important.

[5:49] They put a pause on development.

[5:52] Until reasonable safeguards can be established.

[5:55] And it reassures people that no.

[5:57] Secret deals are being made.

[6:00] But since we do not have the city moratorium.

[6:02] My question is.

[6:04] How are you going to ensure?

[6:06] That the citizens of Socorro.

[6:08] Are immediately notified.

[6:09] When you are approached by a data center.

[6:12] Developer umm.

[6:13] We said earlier that we were going to wait for the county blue ribbon committee.

[6:19] To give out a recommendation.

[6:20] Well, yeah, but there's a difference there because.

[6:24] We're not asking for.

[6:26] YouTube make specific.

[6:31] Ordinances about data centers, we're saying.

[6:34] Just put a pause on data centers on.

[6:37] Industrial sized data centers and not.

[6:39] Necessarily small.

[6:42] Business owned data centers, but industrial data centers.

[6:45] So that.

[6:47] So that the Blue Ribbon committee can do their job.

[6:50] And come up with ordinances and then.

[6:53] And then the city would look at those and see if any were appropriate for the city to.

[6:59] I personally, administratively, I don't know what the council feels, but.

[7:03] I think that's putting the court before the horse without you knowing specifically what type of things that we're going to be

[7:06] against.

[7:09] And just do a general blanket moratorium.

[7:12] I'm just not in favor of that and.

[7:14] And I don't think I will take somebody's blueprint.

[7:17] Boilerplate moratorium and just slap it on a city or.

[7:20] Well, I would assume that.

[7:22] Although I did send you one, I would assume that you would look at it and send it to your lawyer and.

[7:28] Fix it up because I'm.

[7:30] I'm not a.

[7:31] I'm not a lawyer. I was a.

[7:33] I don't think a lawyer is the temperature amateur.

[7:37] Well, no, you've been a good proponent, I'm just saying that.

[7:41] And we don't do anything in the.

[7:43] In the dark here at the city when if there is somebody that's going to be telling us about.

[7:49] Data centers are asking for.

[7:51] Information on it will certainly make it public immediately. We don't sign NDA's. You know, we have the Voltex situation going on

[7:55] right now.

[7:59] That would have always had had sunshine on and.

[8:01] And we're going to work through that so.

[8:04] We're very we're very open about that.

[8:06] Moratoriums.

[8:07] Feel good maybe.

[8:09] And and solar arrays I just.

[8:12] I think it's too broad.

[8:13] In my opinion.

[8:14] That's too broad a.

[8:17] A statement to make as a city as a city, as far as.

[8:20] Data centers and solar razor concern until we see the specifics.

[8:25] That will come out of that blue ribbon committee and then we'll adopt that I.

[8:28] I personally don't think it's a.

[8:30] It's fair to the city and the people that live here.

[8:33] To make up, just make a statement saying we're not going to allow any data centers.

[8:37] You know that.

[8:38] To me, that's not.

[8:40] That's not fair. I think that.

[8:42] Well, OK, I think.

[8:44] I guess we have to agree to disagree on that of Mayor Vasquez, because I believe.

[8:49] That you can say that we will not.

[8:52] Endorse a.

[8:54] Hyperscale.

[8:55] Data center.

[8:56] One year.

[8:58] We learn more about.

[9:00] What sort of what size is?

[9:04] You know, that's a good point.

[9:06] That's something that I'm asking the Blue Ribbon committee to.

[9:08] To discover absolutely and how much however, however the city the county ordinance.

[9:13] Specifically says.

[9:16] This does not include.

[9:18] Any data center by an existing business within.

[9:22] You know.

[9:22] Of course, they don't have any existing businesses in the county, but that would want a Davis Center, although the Socorro does.

[9:30] I assume that tech has a data center. I assume that.

[9:33] First State Bank has a data center.

[9:35] I you know.

[9:36] But but those in that ordinance there specifically.

[9:41] Excluded from this.

[9:43] So, but anyway, like I said, I need to make one last attempt because I think it's, I would, I would encourage if the Council wants

[9:47] to.

[9:51] Put up a resolution.

[9:53] And wants to get one put together. That's fine with me.

[9:56] I am not.

[9:57] A.

[9:59] Resolution that just says.

[10:01] No data centers in our community.

[10:03] Well, no data Centers for.

[10:05] Six months.

[10:06] Until the until the blue ribbon committee can can do their work.

[10:10] You know, that's, that's what a moratorium is, That's what a pause is. It's just a temporary. It's not a it's not a ban. I will, I

[10:15] will call the newspaper and I will let you know personally if somebody comes knocking on the door here and says that we want to

[10:19] put a data center.

[10:24] If you know.

[10:26] Data center is the whole in my opinion.

[10:29] I'm not against data centers.

[10:30] But if they're going to use my water.

[10:33] They can't do that.

[10:34] And if they're going to use my electricity and raise our bills?

[10:37] They can't do that.

[10:39] So if they have other technology that they're going to develop.

[10:43] To do something behind the meter.

[10:45] And do something with.

[10:47] Water and use their use air conditioning.

[10:50] There there's new technology and cooling those chips.

[10:53] And so.

[10:55] I would. If somebody comes and has that kind of technology, then we'll discuss it out here in public.

[11:00] I just can't.

[11:01] I just can't as a city say, well, we're against data centers and if tech wants to get a grant.

[11:07] To develop a small data center.

[11:09] And we know how much water they're going to use.

[11:11] The city uses 1,600,000 gallons of water a day.

[11:15] That's how much we use. I have room for another.

[11:18] And Lloyd's out there in the waiting room, but I have another 500,000.

[11:22] That I can get.

[11:24] From our wells, we have three wells.

[11:26] And they're good producing wells.

[11:28] And the static level of those wells has not dropped or might.

[11:32] Being there.

[11:33] Which is a long time so.

[11:35] So, uh.

[11:36] But if they were reasonable.

[11:39] And they came to us and said we want to put in data center.

[11:42] We would have that discussion.

[11:44] I just if the county would did what they did, that's fine, but I.

[11:47] I just don't think it's fair.

[11:49] For businesses and.

[11:51] Because, you know, we're a small community that's.

[11:53] Does dwindling and we not we need to make sure that we're.

[11:56] Take advantage of everything that comes our way.

[11:59] That's I mean, and I'm above board about that opinion as you as I'm always AM.

[12:08] Point well taken and.

[12:10] And we are looking for the blue ribbon committee and I think they had their meeting finally.

[12:15] Last week or something like that. They're having another meeting tomorrow, so maybe hopefully the progression giving us a

[12:18] blueprint.

[12:22] OK, thank you. But I also hope that they understand how much.

[12:25] What kind of resources we actually have?

[12:27] Well, you know, in this community.

[12:29] Is to look and see. Talk to the.

[12:31] Right, right.

[12:32] They need, they need to put that all together, I think.

[12:36] Well, it works. Thank you.

[12:39] Yes, ma'am.

[12:41] Go ahead. No, you're the one with the T-shirt, so come on.

[12:49] Thank you, Council and Mayor Basker. My name is Janet Goldstein and I would just like to support what Mary Ross said.

[12:56] There's no reason.

[12:57] Not.

[12:58] To postpone.

[12:59] Any action? No reason.

[13:02] Not to have a moratorium until after.

[13:05] Blue Ribbon Committee.

[13:07] Has released its report.

[13:09] At least a year would be better.

[13:11] If you're wondering how.

[13:13] Toward a resolution.

[13:16] Look to the county.

[13:19] It's not worth the risk.

[13:21] To our environment.

[13:25] To let these.

[13:26] Develop.

[13:28] Run rampant.

[13:29] And extract our resources.

[13:32] Thank you.

[13:35] Thank you.

[13:37] Anyone else?

[13:40] Anyone in favor of data centers?

[13:43] That's here. No, I just always ask.

[13:46] No, OK.

[13:49] I got, I got, I got. I got it.

[13:50] I got it.

[13:52] And I see the signs around town. I mean, that's.

[13:57] You know again.

[14:00] We we feel, I think we feel strong enough as.

[14:03] That we would not allow them to come in and.

[14:05] Usurp all our resources.

[14:07] But we're not going to just.

[14:09] I mean, if somebody comes and says I can, I can use 100,000 gallons of water a day.

[14:13] And I'm putting a data center in.

[14:15] And and there'll be a small data center.

[14:18] Then we would at least have that discussion in public.

[14:22] And I.

[14:23] You know, we would want to see some of those people to come.

[14:26] We need something, I don't think.

[14:28] Tech students would benefit from.

[14:30] Getting into that technology, although it's been.

[14:32] In the last month or two weeks.

[14:35] It slowed way down.

[14:37] With that guy from Open.

[14:40] Making those statements.

[14:41] Mr. Coxman, or I'm not sure what his name is, but but sure that has slowed way down.

[14:47] Everybody's ears are up.

[14:49] It's a big topic.

[14:51] And all of politics, no question about it.

[14:53] But it's it's only fair, I think.

[14:55] For people to.

[14:57] To be able to speak frankly and have a discussion about it.

[15:00] Instead of just.

[15:01] Just stopping all discussion.

[15:03] That's my only.

[15:05] Only problem with the mortgage.

[15:08] OK, anyone else that's not on the agenda?

[15:13] OK.

[15:15] We shall go on.

[15:18] We have.

[15:20] A quilt of valor.

[15:22] Presentation.

[15:35] Good evening and thanks for letting me do this.

[15:37] Presentation My name is Lee Graham.

[15:40] I live in Magdalena and I am a member of the Fiber Arts field of Socorro County.

[15:45] As well as a member of the cultivar.

[15:47] Foundation.

[15:48] Two organizations that I'm very proud to be a part of.

[15:52] I will briefly tell you about each one.

[15:54] The Fiber Arts Guild of Socorro County was officially established in 2002.

[15:59] The Guild provides a forum to encourage.

[16:01] Teach and share the various fiber arts for themselves and the community at large.

[16:06] We currently have 60 members who are skilled in sewing.

[16:10] Quilting Netting.

[16:11] Crocheting and weaving.

[16:13] Along with other fiber crafts.

[16:15] Each year we donate cloaks to Hospice for their patients.

[16:18] Quilts and blankets to children through Casa.

[16:21] Blankets to our first responders.

[16:23] And quilts to various organizations for their fundraising efforts.

[16:27] Since 2002, the Guild has distributed well over 1000 quilts and blankets.

[16:32] Through its community outreach program.

[16:35] The clothes of Fowler Foundation.

[16:37] Began in 2003 with a dream.

[16:40] Literally a dream.

[16:41] Founder Catherine Roberts, Son Nat.

[16:44] Was deployed in Iraq.

[16:46] In her dream, she saw a young man sitting on the side of his bed in the middle of the night.

[16:50] Hunched over in utter despair.

[16:55] Then, as if viewing a movie, she saw him in the next scene.

[16:59] Well, with a look of hope and well-being.

[17:02] The quilt had made this dramatic change.

[17:04] The message of her dream was.

[17:06] Quilts equal healing.

[17:08] The model appeared simple.

[17:10] Have a volunteer team who would donate their time and materials to make a quilt.

[17:14] One or more quilters would piece the top and the others would quilt it.

[17:18] She saw the name of this special quilt. It was a quilt of our.

[17:22] The mission of the foundation is to cover service members and veterans with comforting and healing close to valid.

[17:28] Often when these quilts are constructed, they are sewn and quilted.

[17:32] With prayers for our servicemen, women and veterans.

[17:36] Since 2003.

[17:37] There have been over 454,000.

[17:41] Quotes of our distributed nationwide.

[17:44] I've left some groceries on the table if anyone would like more information.

[17:48] This evening.

[17:49] We have the honor of recognizing one of our own, City Councilman Peter Romero.

[17:55] Peter proudly served our country in the United States Marine Corps from 1971 to 77.

[18:01] He began his career at Camp Pendleton.

[18:03] Before being transferred to Okinawa.

[18:06] He later returned to the United States, where he oversaw supply administration and warehousing.

[18:12] Peter then entered the Marine Security Guard program.

[18:15] Which trains elite U.S. Marines to protect American embassies, Consulates.

[18:20] And vital diplomatic personnel.

[18:23] Around the world.

[18:24] His service took him to many places across the globe.

[18:27] Including the Middle East.

[18:29] Beirut Arab.

[18:30] New Delhi.

[18:32] Portugal, Cyprus, Panama and Argentina.

[18:37] While serving in Argentina, Peter became seriously ill.

[18:40] And the military determined that medical retirement was necessary.

[18:44] This was a difficult and disappointing time for Peter.

[18:47] As he had hoped to make a lifelong career in the Marine Corps.

[18:51] After leaving the service, Peter returned to Socorro.

[18:54] To determine what the next chapter of his life would hold.

[18:58] She went to Albuquerque.

[19:00] Where he worked as a manager of several movie theaters.

[19:03] He also went to UNM.

[19:05] Worked in finance and the financial aid office.

[19:08] Peter later returned to Socorro to help care for his aging parents.

[19:12] He has remained an active and valued member.

[19:15] Of our community ever since.

[19:17] Taking advantage of countless opportunities to volunteer.

[19:21] Serve others.

[19:22] And become involved in local politics.

[19:25] Peter's commitment to service did not end when he left the Marine Corps.

[19:29] He simply found new ways to serve.

[19:31] First his country and then his community.

[19:34] Tonight, we are very proud to honor Peter Romero for his dedicated service to our country.

[19:39] And for the many ways he has continued to serve and strengthen our community.

[19:44] Peter, thank you for your service, your dedication.

[19:48] And your commitment to Socorro?

[19:50] We are proud to call you one of you.

[19:51] One of our own.

[19:53] As we wrap you in this quilt today.

[19:55] Please accept it as a hug.

[19:57] From a grateful nation.

[19:59] Where to go?

[20:10] This was made by all the members.

[20:21] You think we can get a picture of all of them?

[20:23] Yeah.

[20:26] Wow.

[20:38] We got it.

[20:39] Need a picture?

[20:45] Fantastic. Wow, that's nice.

[20:56] Wow.

[20:58] Thank you.

[21:15] Can you give us your?

[21:17] Can can you give us your copy?

[21:20] So we can put it in the minutes.

[21:22] Of what you just said about Peter.

[21:24] We're going to put that in our.

[21:29] Put that in a minute.

[21:31] Thank you for thank you so much for doing this.

[21:34] Sure enough, and it's not only through the.

[21:38] The military we all serve.

[21:43] Put it on, Peter.

[21:44] Can.

[21:57] You've been all over the world. I didn't realize how.

[22:00] We've been in different places, even New Delhi.

[22:10] We have a finally after maybe two years.

[22:14] Maybe three years.

[22:16] We've got a bid award for the Cuba Rd. St. and drainage improvement problem.

[22:20] Project, Mr. Mayor. Council, there's a letter.

[22:23] In your packet from our procurement officer, Polo Panetta.

[22:27] The bids were opened on September 4th.

[22:30] We received 5.

[22:32] And after review by Dennis Engineering and Mr. Panetta.

[22:35] They're recommending GM Emotion for 747,000 seven $4.58.

[22:43] About Mr. Romero.

[22:45] Move to approve the award to GM emulsion.

[22:48] 2nd.

[22:50] And so that.

[22:52] We'll make Cuba Rd. come all the way up to the Interstate bridge.

[22:56] And finally finished our project which has been a.

[23:00] Long, long time coming for them.

[23:01] And hopefully fix some of the drainage issues in that area.

[23:04] Yeah, and.

[23:07] Thank God it came.

[23:09] Or a bunch of others because we were holding our.

[23:12] I mean, everything's gone up sky high.

[23:15] All in favor.

[23:16] Aye.

[23:17] All right, looks like we've got a.

[23:19] Plethora of specially used.

[23:23] And the first one.

[23:26] Christy, you want to tell us about the economy again?

[23:33] Good evening Mayor and Council the 1st.

[23:36] Special use permit that is on.

[23:38] The agenda is.

[23:41] The economy in at 400 California St. to allow a food truck.

[23:46] To use their property.

[23:51] Not all the time, but just.

[23:53] Yeah, periodically.

[23:56] Mr. Patel is the owner of the economy, and he came to planning and zoning.

[24:03] He runs.

[24:05] A motel both here and in Albuquerque. So he's not here today, but I told him I would.

[24:10] Let you guys know it was voted to approve.

[24:14] That he allowed transient vendors.

[24:17] In that location.

[24:19] By the Planning and Zoning Commission.

[24:20] And there's a restaurant there, too. Yeah, it was where the Hong Kong restaurant used to be.

[24:25] Delicious.

[24:26] I miss it.

[24:29] So that's an action item.

[24:30] Yes, make a motion to approve second.

[24:33] Moved and seconded.

[24:35] Answer aye.

[24:37] Yeah, then we have Tammy.

[24:41] OK, the second special use permit is for 5/9 design.

[24:47] Are you guys here for a minute? Are you Amanda?

[24:49] Hi, Amanda. Oh, Amanda and Rex. OK, I've talked to them all on the phone.

[24:54] So.

[24:55] They Amanda attended a.

[24:59] A PNC meeting. She flew into Albuquerque and her flight was delayed and she got here at 5:30. She got here.

[25:05] To Albuquerque at 5:30. So we did a telephonically because she traveled from.

[25:10] Indiana and flights got delayed in.

[25:14] In Texas, but.

[25:17] So what they want to do is have an unmanned.

[25:19] Fiber optic building on.

[25:22] The corner of Spring Street and Lita Ortega.

[25:27] It's it's an unmanned fiber optic building, 864 square feet.

[25:34] It's to allow.

[25:35] Pre manufactured fiber optic.

[25:38] With a backup generator and a security fence.

[25:42] You want to come up and.

[25:44] OK.

[25:49] Good evening, Board.

[25:51] Rex Atkinson with Five Nine Design Group.

[25:54] And what we are asking at this location and what 59 does is we're a group of architects and engineers and we do the pre

[26:01] manufactured fiber optic utility buildings for a few of the different fiber optic utility companies that operate throughout the

[26:09] country. And what these particular fiber optic buildings do is they have.

[26:16] Laser equipment that regenerates the light signal.

[26:20] That sends it back. Along the way, there's fiber optic lines running within.

[26:26] The Interstate right of way and what happens is as demand grows on.

[26:32] That fiber optic network, it could slow down and it needs to be regenerated. So think of this as kind of your your pump station

[26:38] for water. You have to have a pump station to keep your water pressure up.

[26:44] This is a regeneration building that regenerates the the light.

[26:49] And with lasers and sends it on along its way.

[26:52] And so at this location.

[26:55] As was said, we have.

[26:58] 86 foot by 110 foot.

[27:02] Chain link security fence that comes into approximately 9500 square foot fence with a 800 square foot building inside of it.

[27:11] The building itself.

[27:13] Is 24 by 36 feet.

[27:15] Basically, that's 2.

[27:17] Pieces that come on a truck that then gets welded together and then houses all of that laser.

[27:23] Equipment and it is backed up by a 500 kW diesel generator. Power ever goes out. These buildings themselves are 600 amp.

[27:33] Building so kind of your your typical electrical load and they're they're unmanned. So that means no.

[27:40] People, which means no water or anything like that. The buildings themselves are just cooled by through wall air conditioning

[27:44] units to to keep.

[27:47] The laser equipment, cool. So all these sort of buildings are around just to support the fiber optic utility grid.

[27:55] That that runs along.

[27:57] Adjacent to this property.

[28:00] What's the zoning there?

[28:02] R4.

[28:06] So the the zoning in that area is R4.

[28:09] I will say that the Planning Zoning Commission did.

[28:13] At the last meeting.

[28:15] Make a decision to.

[28:18] Say no to this because it is a residential zone.

[28:22] And because.

[28:24] I just lost my train of thought, I'm sorry.

[28:27] They did say that they did not want to allow it because it was an R4 zone.

[28:32] And and also they were concerned because.

[28:38] It was our understanding that.

[28:40] This was.

[28:41] You. You are.

[28:42] 59.

[28:43] Which is the design.

[28:45] And then it goes to Vero which is the.

[28:47] Installation of the fiber optics.

[28:51] And then to MMI and then ultimately meta. So it wasn't a local.

[28:57] It wasn't something that would be.

[28:59] Used or benefit?

[29:01] The schools or tech or anybody local?

[29:04] I'm not those properties.

[29:07] I believe it.

[29:08] Have you guys purchased it?

[29:09] The Bureau purchased it.

[29:13] They were in the process. I believe that it belonged to the Aguilars.

[29:18] And so.

[29:20] That's the recommendation of hunting and zoning.

[29:24] But it, like I said, it was just.

[29:26] Merely because it is R4, it's a residential.

[29:29] Were there any people from the area?

[29:31] One citizen did come in and he just had questions about.

[29:35] The light pollution and the generators in the decibels.

[29:41] But he seemed to be pretty.

[29:43] Satisfied with the.

[29:45] Information.

[29:47] That was sent over with the specs of.

[29:51] And I think he did.

[29:53] They did request that it be.

[29:55] More of a solid wall than.

[29:58] Chain link. So I think that was an option that.

[30:00] Mr. Saloni.

[30:03] Rex was this.

[30:06] This facility initially to be.

[30:09] Built here on the Plaza.

[30:12] Through through 95.

[30:14] No.

[30:16] No. OK, because I received, so I received something about.

[30:20] Doing exactly this on the Plaza here.

[30:25] No, I none of my site procurement people would hopefully do anything like that because we, we do these buildings all over the

[30:29] place and we try to put them in areas where.

[30:34] They're not kind of front and center, at least off the main drag. The fiber is running close to there, but that doesn't seem like

[30:43] an ideal location for an equipment utility type building if the board wanted. I did have a few examples of what a typical.

[30:52] This is kind of what a typical facility looks like and, and per per what the board was saying with the the zoning board.

[31:00] That's kind of our our typical prototypical chain link fence security with the the 868 square foot building. We've done these all

[31:06] over the place and and when it does come to a little bit more of a high visibility area, we have screened it in, in different ways

[31:13] be it.

[31:20] Kind of a.

[31:23] A Trek style fence.

[31:31] Are there any of excuse me?

[31:33] Style are there.

[31:39] Fiscal benefits to the owners of the property like continuously.

[31:44] Well, the owner of the property will now be a the utility company there and they have put in an offer to buy the price.

[31:55] Question is, is it?

[31:57] The property specifically.

[31:59] The geographic location.

[32:01] For what you do, is it specific to that area? It needs to be there is that.

[32:05] It needs to be in a range of that zone, so whenever we're.

[32:09] Usually what they say is there's a one.

[32:12] Miami depending on it, but they usually look at a one mile radius of where the regeneration building needs to go and we try to

[32:17] find an area that's not.

[32:22] Right front and center to to kind of tuck in there. And so the hope was that that this might be there now.

[32:29] Being that it is residential.

[32:31] Maybe should have started with the more aesthetically pleasing.

[32:35] Prototype that we do have because we have a few.

[32:38] That's kind of what I bring to the table as.

[32:40] As a New Mexico architect is, you know, I can take the the concrete building that comes from the factory and kind of decorate it

[32:48] to look more residential style. So we have one in kind of the White Mountains of Socorro. Sorry, we have one in the White

[32:55] Mountains of Arizona that we put that the Gable roof on it. So we can put, you know, so it's not a flat roof that we typically do.

[33:03] And then kind of depending on the aesthetic whether we do, you know, a fully solid fence.

[33:11] Of, you know, composite material tricks or whether we do a CMU wall that we're doing up in Oregon.

[33:18] Ultimately, umm, uh.

[33:21] Arizona decided that they wanted a wrought iron style fence in front of it because it's all up to the board and what they see.

[33:28] They were concerned on their town about.

[33:32] Unhoused people, possibly.

[33:34] Living behind the CMU wall so they wanted something that you could see behind but still was nicer than a than a chain link fence

[33:38] so.

[33:42] And other question since it's zoned.

[33:45] Was there? Did you guys look at it?

[33:47] Any other?

[33:47] Vacant property or property that was for sale that would have been zoned.

[33:51] So we didn't have to use the special use permit that you could have purchased to do this without special.

[33:55] I know you've thought of that a little bit. I I did talk to the site, the German guy, it was my understanding that he didn't see

[33:59] any.

[34:04] Looked at for options. We got that.

[34:05] Gotcha. Nobody was interested in in selling.

[34:08] Matter where and.

[34:16] As a utility building it, it needed a special use in all zones.

[34:20] Is what we If you put it up at the industrial park, there wouldn't be a problem.

[34:25] If you put it up at the industrial park, there would not have been a problem.

[34:28] That wasn't what was told.

[34:30] Whoever. Well, I didn't. You didn't come to administration.

[34:33] I've never seen you guys.

[34:35] I've never seen you guys before.

[34:38] I don't believe it was neither commercial.

[34:41] That we didn't get anybody. No, no. But I'm just saying that.

[34:45] What do you mean camera?

[34:47] I don't think especially permanent wouldn't be needed if it wasn't a commercial zone.

[34:52] Right what? I'm just saying that the.

[34:54] We have Western up there.

[34:56] At the industrial park.

[34:58] And I'm not sure why.

[35:00] That was my question of the proximity so and there's.

[35:05] There's lines going up and down that Hwy. 60.

[35:08] Then why you didn't?

[35:10] Think about the industrial part.

[35:13] It is a good question.

[35:15] I do the design work. My site procurement guy. I don't know if he wasn't well. Time to stop by our office sometime.

[35:21] But you enjoy that. You would enjoy meeting you. It's obvious that planning and zoning is.

[35:26] I mean, they're not, you know?

[35:27] We're going to be sending something back to planning and zoning, by the way.

[35:32] They're not happy with it, evidently.

[35:34] What was it float?

[35:36] Planning zoning voted no for this simply because it is a residential.

[35:43] He's unanimous.

[35:45] You know, I mean this residential.

[35:49] And the person who's selling the property will get some benefit.

[35:52] But I think.

[35:54] It's important that.

[35:55] You know, to have a writer and there's a bunch of empty land there.

[35:59] That you could probably.

[36:01] May somebody may develop.

[36:03] In a residential.

[36:04] So, uh.

[36:05] I would recommend you come and talk to us and we can show you some place. I don't know who you guys talk to.

[36:10] Because, Donald, did they talk to you about any?

[36:13] No, Sir.

[36:18] Well, we're not the county.

[36:20] Yeah, that's the.

[36:28] Well, I'll be happy to give you my card.

[36:32] So it looks like, well, there's an action item.

[36:35] It is. It is.

[36:38] Comments we made.

[36:43] Something that needs to be tabled.

[36:45] And sure, it comes back on. I think just take the recommendation of the PM.

[36:49] Oh, OK, that's my I mean.

[36:51] I don't vote.

[36:53] You've got five people, so I don't break any size here.

[36:57] Just the other question to emerge, just if you can answer this.

[37:00] If it does get voted down today.

[37:02] And they did want to come back.

[37:03] And they do find somewhere where it's adequate and they can't put it well. I recommend to come and talk to administration.

[37:10] It would get voted down just at this location they'd be able to.

[37:13] Put in and then go back to tell them not to build a building.

[37:17] Like I said, we have Western up third, Western telephone is up there.

[37:20] At the industrial park they have an installation with a microwave tower and a.

[37:24] Whole 10 yards.

[37:28] Yeah.

[37:30] But.

[37:32] But uh.

[37:33] But that.

[37:34] I mean, to me that's the obvious place and you do have fiber going up and down that area.

[37:39] Already And I'm not sure exactly where the.

[37:41] How you guys picked that area because?

[37:43] You know that that road and and how you're getting there.

[37:47] As right off of 60.

[37:49] I'm not sure how to pick that spot.

[37:51] Amanda, you had mentioned that you guys usually follow the railroad.

[37:55] Right away, yeah.

[37:57] If I were to run either in the railroad or a.

[38:00] Oh, OK.

[38:01] Yeah, there's no there.

[38:06] Yeah, yeah. Is it Weston? I'm not sure which company you're dealing with, but.

[38:10] But anyway, we're not doing. We don't want to do your work. We're just telling you that.

[38:14] Who can help you find a spot?

[38:16] That you wouldn't have to be going into a residential area.

[38:20] And then you can tell us what your criteria is for.

[38:24] Where you want to put it.

[38:26] And I'm sure that may be restricted, but.

[38:29] I don't know that that place is not to me any better than the industrial part.

[38:33] Well, you're putting it now.

[38:35] Hello. Yeah, so.

[38:39] I'll make a motion that we follow the PNC Commission's recommendations to not.

[38:47] Approve a special use permit for.

[38:49] For this purpose.

[38:50] 2nd so moved and seconded discussion.

[38:53] So you're welcome. We'll give you a contact.

[38:55] Information. They're welcome.

[38:57] Come and talk to us about it.

[38:59] And if you can, maybe just e-mail your.

[39:03] Site needs.

[39:05] Then we can maybe tell you what's close to a.

[39:07] Commercial area.

[39:08] I will say that.

[39:10] Was presented pretty nicely. He did a good job of.

[39:13] Like putting everything together, we see a lot of this.

[39:15] It comes through an ISM which is good so.

[39:18] Yeah, yeah, I guess it's good. Hopefully we can find you a spot and you guys will.

[39:22] Find a spot that won't require us to.

[39:25] Just put it there.

[39:26] That went on this one.

[39:28] My my real estate person might have gotten.

[39:31] Stroking out on this one so I don't even understand but.

[39:34] Hopefully an appointment in the right direction. Yeah, I'll put my design.

[39:38] Expertise at that. I'm sure you can put that on any.

[39:42] Piece of dirt.

[39:43] He all in favor, aye?

[39:47] Opposed. So we're again, we're not talking about not.

[39:50] Wanting you to come, it's just a matter. I think the spot is not.

[39:53] Gonna be acceptable.

[39:55] All right, here we go.

[39:58] So now we have.

[39:59] Pirate born horse.

[40:02] R&D, consulting and robotics.

[40:05] Just to preface.

[40:07] We send it to our lawyer.

[40:09] A lawyer wasn't very happy with how Mr. Bornhorse had presented everything.

[40:14] He wanted us.

[40:15] To let him know, and we sent him the copy of the lawyer's letter.

[40:20] And that we're recommending that he recommends to go back to PNZ.

[40:24] And answer all the questions that have been asked during these meetings.

[40:29] So I'm asking the Council.

[40:34] For an action item of.

[40:35] Sending us back to PNZ.

[40:39] Second, OK.

[40:46] And I want to add myself. I am certainly a little more.

[40:52] Not suspicious about Mr. Barnhart's because.

[40:55] Now that I look at how the person who came and built that building.

[40:59] And what they wrote on the building permit.

[41:01] But they gave Christy.

[41:04] It was kind of a.

[41:05] I said warehouse.

[41:08] Yeah, so.

[41:10] So it wasn't, it wasn't a lot of, it wasn't a lot of.

[41:15] They want my card.

[41:17] I gave him.

[41:20] So we're running out of business here. That's what we're doing.

[41:23] But anyway.

[41:25] Yes, ma'am. Yeah. And you're welcome. We haven't taken about.

[41:28] Kamana but but I think.

[41:31] There were some things that were not, not really.

[41:34] Revealed to us that I felt.

[41:36] Should have been.

[41:41] For the.

[41:46] I I discovered this after.

[41:50] Yeah, go ahead.

[41:52] Miss Miller, I would.

[41:55] Really rather have you?

[41:59] Vote no against this.

[42:01] Because this is also residential.

[42:04] Rural. Rural.

[42:05] Residential.

[42:07] Which is more restrictive than just.

[42:10] Residential 4.

[42:12] But right now, I'm just going to say if you know the story.

[42:18] Of David and Goliath.

[42:22] That's how I feel right now.

[42:25] With Goliath.

[42:27] As the big person from somewhere else.

[42:32] Coming here with money.

[42:34] Big ideas. Big.

[42:35] Plans and I'm more like David the.

[42:39] Person nobody knows.

[42:41] But I'm trying to protect.

[42:43] My home.

[42:44] And my surroundings.

[42:48] I also do not trust this person.

[42:57] The metal building up there is as we just stated.

[43:01] A residential garage.

[43:04] It is not commercial.

[43:06] He didn't get a permit.

[43:08] For commercial electricity.

[43:10] Nor plumbing, nor a commercial.

[43:14] Building.

[43:15] It shouldn't.

[43:17] Be there.

[43:18] And then there were all of these.

[43:22] Other stories of what he was going to do was different depending on who he talked.

[43:27] To and.

[43:31] In my view.

[43:33] They tried to push this.

[43:35] Through.

[43:36] Without anybody noticing.

[43:38] Because of the way it was done.

[43:42] And because of the type of.

[43:44] Business, which is sometimes.

[43:47] Not safe.

[43:49] Could be a fire.

[43:51] Emergency could be an explosion.

[43:55] I cannot trust this person to follow any of the rules and regulations.

[44:00] That he said that he would in other meetings.

[44:04] Like the air quality, the.

[44:07] The rules that the government has for this type of.

[44:11] Business, uh.

[44:12] How can we trust him?

[44:14] To follow those rules since he hasn't even followed ours.

[44:19] None of them.

[44:21] It's just like trying to.

[44:23] Get in the back door.

[44:26] Thinking that we're just rural bumpkins or something and they can just do whatever they want.

[44:32] And this is not.

[44:34] That here.

[44:35] We have people.

[44:37] That are more than bumpkins that live here.

[44:40] So, umm.

[44:47] I'll just add that we have to go through a due process.

[44:50] And we have a, you know, way of going through a due process.

[44:54] Which is what our lawyer said we have to do. It may very well be turned down again.

[44:58] At PNC, but at least he got his due process and he doesn't have any.

[45:03] Right to litigate against us that we didn't give him a chance to.

[45:06] Make his case that that's.

[45:08] That's what this is all about.

[45:11] Rather than just.

[45:13] Out of hand right now.

[45:14] Not, you know.

[45:16] O King has a special use permit.

[45:19] But then he's gonna go back.

[45:21] To planning and zoning.

[45:23] And it starts all over again.

[45:26] Yes, it's a never ending story of coming to these meetings and saying please don't.

[45:31] Do this. I don't know. That's not. That's not.

[45:34] Gonna happen, but.

[45:35] We just wanted to make sure that we're not.

[45:38] Going to have some sort of a liability.

[45:41] That he comes back to us and said we didn't follow due process for him.

[45:46] I don't think that's possible since he didn't follow.

[45:49] The due process it.

[45:51] Well, I'm just going to go into what my lawyer says.

[45:54] That's kind of where we're at.

[45:56] Yeah, I realized that the lawyer speaking for you and that was correct.

[46:01] But I think you could vote it down.

[46:06] Mr. Partridge. Mr. Mayor.

[46:08] Just a.

[46:09] Just a bit of a rebuttal I spoke.

[46:11] For quite a while with you guys at the end of the last meeting.

[46:16] I would agree with what the mayor said just in the sense that.

[46:20] I think that it would make a case for Mr.

[46:24] At our last meeting we said we'd send it to our lawyer and ask for recommendations.

[46:28] It could be wiser with the following orders recommendations.

[46:31] Doesn't necessarily mean that.

[46:33] It's going to change anybody's position and how they stand.

[46:36] But.

[46:39] Speak for myself.

[46:40] I mean, it's gonna take a lot for me to change my position on where I stand with it, but.

[46:44] I do think that is correct. I think you should.

[46:47] Have a due process and.

[46:50] If the lawyers asked us to do this, I think it would be wise of us to fall, That's all.

[46:53] But I don't think.

[46:56] It's going to take a lot to spare my position on it.

[46:59] I don't know if that carries any weight, but.

[47:01] That's why it certainly does.

[47:02] Thank you.

[47:05] Well.

[47:07] Christie, will we all be notified? Yes.

[47:11] I will mail.

[47:14] Like the beginning, like you said, I will.

[47:16] Send everything out, he does.

[47:18] Have a few things that he has to provide.

[47:21] For us to.

[47:24] Hear us along with this application and one of the questions he had and maybe we could voice here he might be able to answer.

[47:31] He said he was unable to provide a drainage.

[47:36] Plan because he doesn't know if the city is going to install sewer water, but I don't think that was in the works.

[47:44] No.

[47:47] And I went with the.

[47:49] Guinness Engineering.

[47:51] And I was here at the last meeting when everything was put on hold. He's willing.

[47:55] To pay for design.

[47:57] And and extend the water and sewer.

[48:01] I should run over 300,000 bucks but he's willing to pay to extend that.

[48:05] But he did come to us for utility, so he wasn't trying to hide that.

[48:09] And to fix that road up, you want to fix that road up coming from the bottom.

[48:13] And that's on hold because?

[48:16] Yeah, well, I mean talk to the.

[48:20] But you know, that's not going to help his drainage though. I mean, the drainage plans to hold water that comes off his property.

[48:26] That's what the.

[48:28] So you know, but I yes, Sir.

[48:32] Go ahead.

[48:38] Mr. Mayor and Council Joel.

[48:42] I own the property up there.

[48:45] I want to speak to.

[48:47] The safety concerns.

[48:49] Of this type of business.

[48:51] Being allowed through special use in in this.

[48:55] Subdivision.

[48:57] With the residents that live up there.

[48:59] I know we just brought the road up.

[49:01] And that's what I wanted to talk about.

[49:03] As you know, I have a background retired Fire Service division chief for Carlsbad Fire Department. I'm trained as a hazmat

[49:06] technician.

[49:11] Very simply, we use the ERG, the Emergency Response Guide. You can find an orange copy in every single apparatus here in town.

[49:18] If our first responders pull up on scene, they're going to look up what materials are up there.

[49:23] We've heard aluminum.

[49:24] You know, powdered aluminum.

[49:26] As an accelerant.

[49:28] Something perchlorate, I don't remember exactly.

[49:32] If you pull up there and look up aluminum.

[49:35] You're going to find out that the recommendation.

[49:37] Straight off the bat.

[49:39] Is up to half a mile.

[49:41] Evacuation zone.

[49:43] Egress.

[49:45] Here is the keyword. It's going to be a huge problem.

[49:48] We have 4 residences up there.

[49:50] That have to travel down the same Rd.

[49:52] One way in.

[49:54] One way out.

[49:56] And they will be going directly through the hot zone.

[50:00] Which you can't do.

[50:02] OK, there's nobody on the fire department that's going to.

[50:05] Route people through the hot zone.

[50:07] If they have an explosion.

[50:09] Or a fire.

[50:11] Or a substantial spill.

[50:13] At this location.

[50:15] And this.

[50:17] Huge problems for human life and safety.

[50:20] The other thing?

[50:21] Is that the?

[50:24] The I forget what you call it up there, the substation.

[50:27] Is also within that evacuation area.

[50:31] And so that creates another issue of.

[50:33] You know, have we?

[50:34] Have we talked to?

[50:36] Tri-state or whomever is in charge of that at this point.

[50:38] To find out if they're OK with having these types.

[50:41] Of hazardous materials and industrial.

[50:44] Processes existing side by side in such close proximity.

[50:49] To the power grid.

[50:51] Remember.

[50:53] Water is not going to work on these fires that could happen potentially at this facility.

[50:58] These we're talking about flammable metals.

[51:00] That's that's class D.

[51:03] They're going to have to have a special suppression system.

[51:05] Our firefighters can't put water.

[51:08] On that.

[51:09] It'll blow up in everybody's face should they do so.

[51:12] OK, so there's.

[51:13] Water's not gonna work.

[51:15] For suppression, they're going to have to have a class D system in place. They're going to have to have class D suppression.

[51:23] Really. All the fire.

[51:24] Service is going to be able to do.

[51:26] Is arrive assist in evacuation?

[51:29] Creative perimeter.

[51:31] And burn that facility to the ground.

[51:33] If that's if we ever got to that situation.

[51:37] And so once again, I would strongly urge.

[51:42] Council to consider.

[51:44] The intent and purpose.

[51:46] Of the strict limitations placed upon the special use permit.

[51:50] For resident or rural agricultural zoning.

[51:53] And I would.

[51:54] Implore you.

[51:56] For life and human safety.

[51:58] To please put a stop to this and not let it happen.

[52:02] Thank you very much.

[52:05] You know this came to the council under the city.

[52:10] On a special use permit issue.

[52:13] However, I think.

[52:14] That the theme of this.

[52:16] Runs much deeper.

[52:19] I think that.

[52:20] The city of Socorro has.

[52:22] Lost businesses.

[52:24] City has Sakura schools that has lost students.

[52:28] Utility accounts have diminished.

[52:31] To the tune of about 400.

[52:33] Utility accounts for support.

[52:35] Here we have, and I'm not saying that.

[52:39] We should approve this special use permit.

[52:41] Or we shouldn't?

[52:42] But what I am saying is here's.

[52:44] Here's a young man who.

[52:46] Is bringing an entrepreneur.

[52:51] A spirit to our community.

[52:54] To enhance.

[52:56] What the community already provides.

[52:59] Growth in the community should be built.

[53:02] On what the community?

[53:04] Is good at doing.

[53:06] This community is good at.

[53:08] Training young people.

[53:10] To think critically.

[53:12] This community is good.

[53:15] At testing.

[53:17] Explosives. Umm.

[53:18] It's what we've done, it's what we do.

[53:21] So I'm saying that.

[53:24] This entrepreneur came into.

[53:27] The community of.

[53:29] With ideas.

[53:30] We have a budget that.

[53:32] That expends funds for economic development and we have committees that.

[53:37] That come together to discuss.

[53:40] What Socorro needs to do to put people in those buildings.

[53:44] To bring back students, to bring back families, to have them who live here, not.

[53:49] 1500 of them.

[53:50] Driving away from Socorro every day.

[53:53] So we have those committees and here's.

[53:56] Of business that's coming into town.

[53:58] Saying you know what?

[54:00] Here's an economic development opportunity.

[54:02] Your account and I'm not just.

[54:04] Telling you through a committee or through a meeting?

[54:07] That it's a good idea.

[54:09] I'm investing in this idea.

[54:12] So that's one or two steps above that he's willing to spend funds.

[54:17] To create.

[54:18] A business here in Sapporo. So I'm not saying that the special use permit should be passed or shouldn't be passed.

[54:24] But I am saying that the under.

[54:26] Underlying theme of this whole thing says you know what?

[54:29] We need to.

[54:30] See what we can do as a council and what we're obligated to do.

[54:34] As the Council is an administration to.

[54:37] Bring in companies like that that are safe.

[54:41] That builds the coral back up.

[54:44] So that's that's just my.

[54:48] It seems like a thing that's pretty common too. Is that.

[54:52] Misinformation is given to people that come here to.

[54:54] From somebody, yeah.

[54:56] About where they can do business in certain particular areas, because that was Mr. Bornhorse.

[55:01] What he said was.

[55:02] That account, I don't know if it's accounting or he got information from someone that said he can build there.

[55:06] I don't know if that happens before or not, but that's what was said.

[55:09] And then these folks.

[55:11] Said the same thing that.

[55:13] They were misleading with my real estate agent or by somebody that.

[55:16] And again, that goes back to you.

[55:18] That was Steve is not here.

[55:21] At the map that we.

[55:23] What Christine I talked about where?

[55:26] We're trying to get the budget to get.

[55:29] Mapping so that you can.

[55:31] Simply pull it from your cell phone.

[55:33] What is allowable?

[55:35] In certain zones, certain residences, certain.

[55:38] Areas zoned for.

[55:41] And what you can do and.

[55:42] Where maps are so old.

[55:44] It could be misleading, I'm sure.

[55:46] But something seems a bit too.

[55:48] People.

[55:50] Aren't doing their due diligence and then it's falling on us.

[55:53] And making us look like we don't want economic development when it's just simply.

[55:57] The one area for it is no.

[55:59] Is what is what I'm saying.

[56:01] So I don't know. We'll continue to work on that mirror in that committee.

[56:04] Hopefully we can.

[56:05] Are you standing up or just stretching?

[56:16] I'm Daphne Burnett. I used to work out at White Sands Missile Range and I work with the TRS.

[56:21] Units and we did work in aluminum powder and that's some pretty nasty stuff.

[56:25] So it's not, it's not safe.

[56:27] And I just want to let you guys know that.

[56:30] Thank you. You know, you know, I think the thing that impressed me most this meeting, but especially the last meeting.

[56:36] Was how much worried the neighbors.

[56:40] About this installation and how much I did not know.

[56:44] What he was.

[56:45] Planning to do.

[56:46] That I should have known better about other things that he had.

[56:49] With his propellant and.

[56:51] And then we had a talk.

[56:52] I don't want to drop names, but we had.

[56:55] Talk with Miss Val Walsh and President Jackson.

[56:59] About uh.

[56:59] This gentleman, and they didn't know much about him and how much he was doing and what he was.

[57:05] What what actually he was planning to do and he he actually had not approached them about.

[57:11] The the industrial park at Tech.

[57:13] And because they have their own, they have their own business up there too.

[57:17] And so he never approached them on this thing.

[57:20] So I kind of.

[57:21] Was a little bit misled on that what he had said.

[57:24] And I think.

[57:25] Fed up chain enough, I mean, but you know, that's your public comment and public information and.

[57:30] And what people talk to you back and forth and.

[57:33] As elected officials, we have to react to that.

[57:37] So I'm just saying that that's.

[57:39] What impressed me the most is what you're just saying about.

[57:42] What's going on up there? And I wouldn't want to be living up there if this guy was doing this.

[57:47] Just as simple as that.

[57:49] But he is, he is putting in money. He is willing to bring in money.

[57:52] You should have done it somewhere else.

[57:56] But that's.

[57:57] But that's not what the.

[57:58] What the motion and the?

[58:01] This this kind of came.

[58:05] To us through the back door.

[58:07] Marshall exactly one time. One more time.

[58:12] But remember what you said it said at the PNZ but.

[58:17] I know.

[58:18] Well, uh.

[58:20] The back door is really the right word.

[58:23] Because it did slip through the back.

[58:25] Through door without following any rules.

[58:29] He should have brought the plan to the PMV.

[58:33] The first time he went there.

[58:36] But with all due respect.

[58:39] And.

[58:42] I want to talk about economic.

[58:44] Development.

[58:45] I looked at.

[58:47] What does it mean?

[58:49] Economic development.

[58:51] Because that's been thrown around with this issue.

[58:55] And it says.

[58:58] The econom.

[58:59] Development. Uh.

[59:00] Is supposed to improve.

[59:04] The community.

[59:05] Living standards.

[59:08] And make it a better place.

[59:11] This does not.

[59:13] Do that.

[59:14] By Mr. Bornhorse own words.

[59:17] He said.

[59:19] He would hire at the most.

[59:21] And that was only one time that we talked. He had other stories.

[59:25] That's at the last meeting. She said he would hire at most 4 to 5 employees.

[59:32] That is not.

[59:34] Going to help the community.

[59:37] He also said at the PNZ meeting that he was never going to make a product.

[59:43] In New Mexico because it costs too much to build product here.

[59:48] So if you're looking at something like that.

[59:51] Coming later.

[59:53] By his own words, it's not going to.

[59:59] And at the last meeting he said he was going to be here.

[1:00:03] Maybe five years and then exit.

[1:00:05] As a millionaire.

[1:00:07] He's never going to move here.

[1:00:11] He's going to be that person that drives from.

[1:00:14] Albuquerque, where he lives.

[1:00:16] To hear.

[1:00:17] To do what he does and then he's going to drive back.

[1:00:22] I I just don't think that's the economic development that's going to help.

[1:00:28] This community.

[1:00:29] And I know we need it. We want it.

[1:00:32] But tell me, look for something else.

[1:00:36] I just this just doesn't seem like a good fit.

[1:00:42] And you know.

[1:00:44] The same answer about.

[1:00:46] Why not?

[1:00:47] The industrial park.

[1:00:49] Why not there?

[1:00:51] Spend your 300,000.

[1:00:54] And do something there.

[1:00:56] I just think it would be a better.

[1:00:58] A better fit?

[1:01:00] And then he would have a place.

[1:01:02] If he should decide.

[1:01:04] To make.

[1:01:05] Product because they can't do it where we are. He'd have to come before you again if he wanted to make product because.

[1:01:13] Manufacturing is also not allowed in the rural.

[1:01:18] Area.

[1:01:20] So just to add that.

[1:01:22] Thank you.

[1:01:23] All in favor for sending it back to PNG.

[1:01:25] Aye.

[1:01:27] Alright, that's where we'll have our next.

[1:01:29] But I think you guys are safe. I don't think it's going to be.

[1:01:33] Deal. Anyway, we have something exciting news. We have Vice President Delilah Walsh.

[1:01:38] Who is going to talk about the?

[1:01:40] Geo Bond issue.

[1:01:42] Is really important to tech, but it'll help the city tremendously about the exciting things that they're planning to do.

[1:01:50] Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Councilmembers, the line of Walsh. I'm Vice President for Administration and Finance at New Mexico Tech.

[1:01:56] And today I'm asking for your support as the city of Socorro.

[1:02:00] For the.

[1:02:01] Advocacy of.

[1:02:03] Geo Bond 3.

[1:02:04] And Geo Bond 3 is a general obligation bond issued by the state of New Mexico. It's not by the city, the county, or New Mexico

[1:02:08] Tech.

[1:02:12] It is.

[1:02:13] Educational debts that the state issues, which is paid back through.

[1:02:17] State of New Mexico New Mexican property taxes.

[1:02:20] So they're too big?

[1:02:22] Components or big assets related to this Geo bond #1.

[1:02:26] There are no new taxes if this bond passes.

[1:02:29] What happens is the state retires current debt and then issues the new debt and your taxes stay the same. So voting yes means.

[1:02:37] No new taxes.

[1:02:38] #2 Socorro County is the third largest recipient of Geo Bond.

[1:02:42] Funds should this pass, that's the first time in our history that we've received.

[1:02:47] Or on the ballot to receive so much money.

[1:02:50] What this means is we're asking for $48 million.

[1:02:54] Will be allocated to New Mexico Tech for two projects.

[1:02:58] The first being the remodel of the MSEC building. That's the big building behind the Bureau of Geology building.

[1:03:03] It was brand new.

[1:03:05] When I was a student and so that tells you how old it is. It needs to be updated.

[1:03:12] That's a $40 million project. In addition to that, we're asking for an $8 million core building for the Bureau of Geology. And

[1:03:17] what we do is anybody who drills a well, whether it be natural gas, oil, water.

[1:03:23] In the state of New Mexico.

[1:03:25] They can deposit those core samples with the.

[1:03:28] Bureau of Geology and the public has access to that data.

[1:03:31] So it takes over $100,000 to drill a well. And if you want to know what seismology is there, what geology is there?

[1:03:39] Strata is there. You can go to the Bureau of Geology and look at those core samples. We've run out of room.

[1:03:44] In our storage facility.

[1:03:46] So on those notes.

[1:03:48] The largest recipients of Geo Bond money in the education sector is.

[1:03:53] Bernalillo County.

[1:03:55] Donna Anna County.

[1:03:56] And then Socorro County. So we very much want our.

[1:03:59] Our voters to support that Geo bond issue.

[1:04:02] And obviously, if those projects come through, it's about a half $1,000,000 in GRT revenue to the City of Socorro and an

[1:04:07] additional half million to the County of Socorro.

[1:04:12] So we hope we have your support.

[1:04:14] Are there signs that we can put up or?

[1:04:18] Where can we access those?

[1:04:20] We do our.

[1:04:22] Marketing and communications director Katie Esmail, You can wave.

[1:04:27] Have some handouts? We've shared some literature with the City Council.

[1:04:31] And.

[1:04:32] What the mayor has graciously offered to let us use one of your billboards.

[1:04:37] During the campaign for.

[1:04:39] To ask voters to vote on Geo Bond 3.

[1:04:42] But we will get more handouts to.

[1:04:44] The county gets half of that.

[1:04:46] Well, on their Sears. What the heck is that?

[1:04:50] Mr. Parker.

[1:04:53] Will also, if it is approval, put the resolution in the utility bills this month.

[1:04:57] Yes, we're certainly strongly behind this. I mean, as you know.

[1:05:01] Tech is our main economic engine.

[1:05:03] And we need to continue improving the facilities.

[1:05:07] And they made a great.

[1:05:09] Pitch to the Geo Bond people to.

[1:05:12] Where's Saguaro County?

[1:05:13] You know, we're going to be able to get a lot of.

[1:05:16] Help from that?

[1:05:17] So we should never be able to get.

[1:05:19] Never been able to get that kind of money out of the legislature.

[1:05:21] So the Geo bonds are the big thing.

[1:05:26] Will we approve to support resolution #2609-15A?

[1:05:33] A second moved a second discussion. Do I have anything else you want to?

[1:05:37] No, Sir. As I said, I appreciate your support and the voter support. We have several projects happening at New Mexico Tech. This

[1:05:43] last legislative session we received almost $90,000,000 in funding.

[1:05:48] Through the state of New Mexico between instruction general and capital outlays. So Doctor Jackson will be here, I think in

[1:05:52] October.

[1:05:56] To give you an update of.

[1:05:57] The things that we're doing are initiatives and our capital.

[1:06:00] And it has been great.

[1:06:02] Holland, Taylor.

[1:06:03] Aye, thank you very much for coming.

[1:06:05] Thank you.

[1:06:07] OK. And then we're going to go.

[1:06:10] Looks from funding that we've been getting.

[1:06:12] For public transportation system or resolution 26-09-15.

[1:06:17] And that is?

[1:06:18] That says for our Mexico Department of Transportation 5311 transportation program that funds our.

[1:06:25] Our buses and our.

[1:06:26] Bands.

[1:06:30] So let's make a motion.

[1:06:31] I'll make a motion to approve that.

[1:06:33] Moved and seconded.

[1:06:36] And now the.

[1:06:37] Execution and delivery of a local Solar Access Fund grant.

[1:06:41] I will let.

[1:06:42] Miss Ruby handled that one. Ruby.

[1:06:46] Mayor Council. So this is a solar grant, so this is for design. So we're looking at the wastewater treatment plant.

[1:06:52] To design solar.

[1:06:54] Some solar panels because they.

[1:06:56] High electrical use there. So this is just for design and then once we design it, we'll actually have to go out for construction

[1:07:00] if we end up.

[1:07:04] If the mayor is approving if you all.

[1:07:06] Do the solar panels, but this is just design. It's $50,000 and this is to offset costs there.

[1:07:12] That's the thought of it.

[1:07:13] Yeah.

[1:07:15] Mr.

[1:07:17] To approve resolution.

[1:07:18] 26,000.

[1:07:21] 15C execution and delivered a local solar access.

[1:07:26] 2nd.

[1:07:27] Aye.

[1:07:28] The next one we're trying to get.

[1:07:31] A Metropolitan.

[1:07:35] Area plan and application which will allow us to.

[1:07:39] To develop California St.

[1:07:43] And Christian is going to give us.

[1:07:47] Aye, background. And they're helping us tremendously at.

[1:07:51] Mr. Gita.

[1:07:53] Mayor and City Council members, I put a fact sheet.

[1:07:57] In your packet.

[1:07:58] That is a little 2 pager about.

[1:08:01] What a metropolitan redevelopment area is.

[1:08:04] And what we are.

[1:08:05] Requesting what this resolution is.

[1:08:08] Permission to submit the.

[1:08:09] The application.

[1:08:11] This economic development initiative.

[1:08:15] Can give the city some tools that it does not have currently to.

[1:08:20] Utilize.

[1:08:21] Under you utilize underutilized properties. That doesn't make sense to you to use the tools.

[1:08:26] To fix the underutilized buildings we have and turn them into economic development opportunities. So one of the really.

[1:08:34] Great things about this plan is that you it has the opportunity to designate areas. So we've already been discussing looking at

[1:08:40] California St. Of course because of all the vacant buildings, the Plaza is also an area of interest. And the other thing is we can

[1:08:46] also designate residential areas that are.

[1:08:52] Dilapidated and need to be rebuilt and this.

[1:08:56] It is an opportunity to be able to get around the anti donation clause. So what this can do?

[1:09:01] It can provide the city with the ability to purchase buildings on California Street and then offer them to businesses at a lower.

[1:09:09] Market price so you could have more incentive to come into Sapporo.

[1:09:13] You can also waive property taxes for up to 30 years for companies. There's a lot of useful.

[1:09:20] Tools in this plan and I don't think enough rural communities in New Mexico are utilizing this and I'm really excited that.

[1:09:28] This fell into my lap doing some research and I think it's a great opportunity for Socorro.

[1:09:33] Oh yeah, yeah, that's awesome.

[1:09:36] I have an item I'd like a motion to.

[1:09:40] 2nd so moved and seconded as you may not know or no.

[1:09:44] We just closed on The Smiths building.

[1:09:47] It's going to be did they send us the check yet?

[1:09:49] No Sir, I'm gonna have to give a pull up and see if the notice of obligation is got to send us a check to pay the owner.

[1:09:56] But it's.

[1:09:57] Going to be ours.

[1:09:58] And the Valero.

[1:10:00] The old Valero building is being.

[1:10:02] Put up for sale.

[1:10:04] I asked them to donate it to the city.

[1:10:07] They're in Canada, so they wouldn't. You know, those Canadians, they're terrible.

[1:10:12] It's $150,000 they want for that little building.

[1:10:15] So we're going to keep working on them, see if they'll donate that to us and you got.

[1:10:20] Got to get rid of the tanks, they already took them out and put a cement over it.

[1:10:25] But they're got it for sale for 150. But I'm just, that's just information.

[1:10:29] Did I say all in favor?

[1:10:31] Yeah, all in favor.

[1:10:34] Anyway, so it's ours.

[1:10:35] Now we've got a lot of these resolutions.

[1:10:38] Authorization and improving.

[1:10:41] Submission of a completed application to NMFA. Is that Ruby?

[1:10:44] That's me, Mr. Mayor, that.

[1:10:48] One of your 30 year projects that you still haven't let go is getting this.

[1:10:52] Levy Recert.

[1:10:54] And the the Corps of Engineers wants.

[1:10:56] Three additional things.

[1:10:59] Or actually, it's female wants three additional things.

[1:11:02] Done before they'll even accept an application to recertify the levy.

[1:11:07] MRGCD, who we're working with is.

[1:11:10] Taking over 2 of them.

[1:11:11] And this is our third.

[1:11:13] Of the three.

[1:11:14] Which we're handling and that's to do an interior drainage study on the stormwater.

[1:11:19] And we can use the MRGCD.

[1:11:21] Contract authority in place with Bohannon Houston.

[1:11:24] They've estimated it to be $555,000 to 800,000.

[1:11:29] And it will take 52 weeks.

[1:11:32] And we're gonna submit.

[1:11:34] Upon approval tomorrow for the 850,000.

[1:11:41] Mr. Donald.

[1:11:42] Question. This is what we talked about right now about the.

[1:11:46] If this does go through and get past this will help with.

[1:11:49] Like flood insurance and things like that, right?

[1:11:51] Those are the three things FEMA wants Will.

[1:11:54] Like I said, the two of our GCD's working on in this one on us.

[1:11:57] Sure are the three things to even submit an application to recertification.

[1:12:02] Thank you.

[1:12:03] 30 years ago.

[1:12:04] I started with Senator De.

[1:12:07] To get a levee built.

[1:12:09] At the.

[1:12:11] And after 15 years after that.

[1:12:15] He finally got us the money.

[1:12:17] To do that.

[1:12:18] Conservancy stepped in. The state stepped in.

[1:12:22] And we spent about $40 million to do that levy.

[1:12:26] From each one diversion Dutch to them.

[1:12:28] Brown, Arroyo.

[1:12:31] We thought we were done.

[1:12:33] Well, FEMA.

[1:12:37] Wants more things being done.

[1:12:39] And one of this is this internal drainage project.

[1:12:42] I don't know if you've seen some of the pictures in Gallup right now this weekend.

[1:12:46] This last week they're getting lots and lots of flavor.

[1:12:49] We're lucky we actually have a lot of holding ponds that.

[1:12:52] Hold our water and we're lucky that the Conservancy.

[1:12:55] Allows us. They don't do that anymore.

[1:12:57] But they allow us to put that water in their ditches.

[1:13:00] Because when they shut the water off when they have a lot of rain.

[1:13:03] Our ponds fill up and they go into their ditches with pumps.

[1:13:07] And so, but they're they're not allowing that anymore.

[1:13:10] So this drainage study hopefully will be the last.

[1:13:13] Thing that will allow everybody in the city of.

[1:13:17] Socorro.

[1:13:18] Businesses and residents.

[1:13:19] That they don't have to go buy flood insurance.

[1:13:22] And that's about $300, maybe $400.00 a year that people pay extra on their houses when they.

[1:13:27] Have insurance and that's we've been trying to do that literally for 30 years.

[1:13:33] But this as Donald has said.

[1:13:36] Is the last, hopefully the.

[1:13:38] They were not confident it will be. If they say 52 weeks, I won't make it hardly out.

[1:13:46] But anyway, we want to finish this story.

[1:13:48] So anyway, action item arguments.

[1:13:51] Make a motion to pass it.

[1:13:53] 2nd.

[1:13:55] Aye, aye.

[1:13:57] OK, well that is pretty weak.

[1:13:59] But this is important. This is really important. I know you're selling insurance, but.

[1:14:05] I'm going to get rid of that.

[1:14:07] My biggest worry is.

[1:14:08] FEMA says they're going to do something. They come down that it doesn't make. They don't make it worse for us.

[1:14:13] No, they're better, I promise you. No, don't say that. Please don't say that. We've been working. I know.

[1:14:20] He said he's gone anyways, he said.

[1:14:22] You wouldn't have to worry about.

[1:14:26] In that old business.

[1:14:28] We got all the directors still here if you guys got any.

[1:14:31] We had a great 9.

[1:14:33] 911.

[1:14:35] Thanks from Deputy.

[1:14:37] Chief Pacheco.

[1:14:38] That was really great. They brought their equipment and.

[1:14:41] Of course, Peter. That's why he got that.

[1:14:44] That quilt, he always runs the show and.

[1:14:46] And we've got.

[1:14:47] Mr. Hunter and.

[1:14:49] And uh.

[1:14:51] And they do a great job with that too.

[1:14:55] And we have Billy. I know Steve was here a little while ago. He snuck off.

[1:14:58] But uh.

[1:15:00] The rodeo is going great guns.

[1:15:02] And this was just a.

[1:15:04] Caesar this weekend.

[1:15:05] Are you guys going to be out there next weekend or?

[1:15:08] Yeah, is next week is the big one.

[1:15:10] As the high school.

[1:15:12] A rodeo, Big one that we.

[1:15:15] What's the next weekend?

[1:15:17] OK. And then we had the County Fair, of course.

[1:15:23] So and we do have money to improve the rodeo, so we've been working on trying to get things.

[1:15:28] Accomplished. Their big one is the.

[1:15:30] Where these people all gathered to?

[1:15:32] Do the roping and the.

[1:15:34] And and and and the barrel racing.

[1:15:37] We're going to cover that area because it gets pretty hot over there.

[1:15:40] Mr. Mayor, the sound was great, the video was great, that little.

[1:15:45] Entertainment little Center was super. You could see what you could lookout there and look alive or look at the TV.

[1:15:52] The announcer was super. It was super fun.

[1:15:55] People were having a great time.

[1:15:57] Could feel some air moving through those through the vans. So yeah, I was, it was a great. Everybody I talked to had a great time.

[1:16:04] Steve's guys are doing a great job out there and loads of guys.

[1:16:07] But anyway, that's just a.

[1:16:08] Kind of shine their apple, they do a good job with it.

[1:16:11] Executive session.

[1:16:13] No lawsuits that I know of.

[1:16:17] So we would talk about.

[1:16:19] Personnel changes.

[1:16:23] Valerie Valerie Acosta, Animal Control Officer temporary to permanent, Adrian.

[1:16:28] Jackson Recreation temporary to permanent. Christopher Carrillo.

[1:16:32] Certificate and degree.

[1:16:33] You gotta do what you got a degree in.

[1:16:35] Chris.

[1:16:37] Human Services, OK.

[1:16:38] And we've got Diana Aragon. She's going to be a.

[1:16:41] Fuel tank operator and Daniel Sanchez at the landfill.

[1:16:46] This video make a motion. We approve the personal changes as read.

[1:16:50] Second, the second, or in favor.

[1:16:52] Aye.

[1:16:53] Now we have.

[1:16:54] Black gap utilities.

[1:16:56] They're from.

[1:16:58] Crossfire aggregates.

[1:16:59] They're out of town.

[1:17:01] And then we have New Mexico Dental Group.

[1:17:04] Which is local.

[1:17:05] Dental clip.

[1:17:07] Mr. Mayor, Mr.

[1:17:08] A motion that we approve the business registrations as a.

[1:17:11] Second, we've been seconded on to.

[1:17:15] Aye, Tuesday, October 6.

[1:17:16] Is the next meeting I won't be here.

[1:17:19] Tell Mariana, Salis, Lopez or whoever's going to be the mayor.

[1:17:25] Thank you very much for.

[1:17:28] Sitting along with us. Congratulations.

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