[4:52] stand Nation indivisible

[4:58] andice

[5:05] all right mayor Brian Lewis council president Roger Perry here councelor

[5:10] Jeff Hensley here councelor Dina oler President councelor Joseph Parsons here

[5:14] president Mr may have

[5:28] a

[5:33] Sarah I'm with the Lin local paper is this a executive meeting or is

[5:39] it publicate uh it's a it's a work how do

[5:42] you do uh it's a work session so there's not really any public participation but

[5:46] it is open to the public the meeting is gonna be it is live streamed on YouTube

[5:49] so you can watch after as well awesome okay

[5:55] thanks all righty so we're here tonight because uh uh we have to make some

[6:02] painful decisions to deal with the result of a natural disaster and that

[6:06] our wells are not producing nearly enough water to meet demand uh we have

[6:12] almost completely maxed out our $64,000 budget for water so uh in order to get

[6:18] to a full 100,000 we need to uh basically find uh 40,000 more um and

[6:26] I've identified about $30,000 in a mix of Cuts using our contingency some

[6:31] unanticipated funds and having a higher budget surplus at the end of the last

[6:35] year uh then expected uh that will allow us to make

[6:41] these cuts and get 30,000 of it in the other 10,000 of it can come either from

[6:46] cutting our enhanced Surplus or from uh adding new fees for water and in adding

[6:54] new fees for water um the number we I we were looking at in terms was 9 cents per

[7:00] gallon that works out to about the actual cost of water hauling and the

[7:04] idea would be that for everybody who uses more than 5,000 gallons then every

[7:08] gallon over that they have to use they end up paying nine cents per gallon and

[7:12] that would be extended through the water restriction period um we did get some

[7:18] good news this morning from our Public Works director he believes that the

[7:22] wells are picking up enough that we will be done with water hauling by the end of

[7:25] the month so KN on wood cross your fingers everybody

[7:30] what was it oh sorry I thought he gave heard oh

[7:36] good yeah uh my ears aren't doing as good these days the used to so um that's

[7:42] kind of what I wanted to go over tonight now I did want to make sure that there

[7:45] was a picture of where we are financially um compared to this year why

[7:50] did we have such a large Surplus left over at the end of last year um how can

[7:55] we use it appropriately uh what kind of money is

[7:59] going to be left over when we're uh done making cuts and everything

[8:04] else um there are a variety of C that I had uh looked at and made list so I I

[8:13] looked at our non non-critical things like Parks or community relations which

[8:18] is usually used for things of dinner during a budget meeting and uh uh buying

[8:24] a plaque for our city councilors whose terms ended that kind of thing um those

[8:30] uh those non-critical cuts and I looked at making or non-critical line items I

[8:34] looked at making about um 10% Cuts just kind of across the board to those

[8:39] things um let's see so

[8:46] um would that be is it okay to ask question would it be things like

[8:50] reimbursing for attending meetings on behalf of the

[8:55] city that was not identified as a yeah because I'm still not doing

[9:01] yeah I get it yeah and I know personally I'm looking at that too I I decided to

[9:06] pay for my own membership in the city's reporters Association this year um just

[9:10] to take that burden off the city um the uh what else we got there so those cuts

[9:17] there wasn't a lot that we could do with that um Act of just kind of taking 10%

[9:22] off that left us with 4100 we could use um we ended up having a much smaller

[9:27] safe premium this year just kind of unexpectedly because of I don't remember

[9:32] exactly the reason they gave me but I just got the the last invoice and they

[9:36] only oh like $350 more dollars and that means we have 2400 left over that we can

[9:42] use for water so we're going to use it for

[9:44] water um I wanted to suggest that my hours get cut to 20 per week from 30

[9:51] between February and March because during the legislative session I will be

[9:54] working in Salem um last year or this year I worked 20 hours a week that was

[9:59] one day I spent the capital 30 hours at sodaville and the other 10 hours I made

[10:02] up working evenings um so the idea would be that

[10:07] we'd cut it down to 20 I'd be here three days a week and spend two days a week in

[10:10] the capital from uh mid from March sorry from February to mid-march um

[10:16] thereabouts um I had also so during this budget cycle we had also added in

[10:21] funding for a 5% wage increase uh for me and JD each uh that would have been

[10:26] predicated on a satisfactory performance review I would wave a a 5% increase

[10:33] during this fiscal year and not ask it go into effect until July if also were

[10:37] to approve it payroll Cuts leave us with 1,700 that was an additional

[10:44] 1,700 um so Al together with um cuts and things oh uh so we spent money upfront

[10:51] for our part of our well project when we got the the water estimate done earlier

[10:56] this year because we paid that UPF front the state's going to send us money back

[11:01] for that that's $5,400 um we also have 6,300 in

[11:05] contingency funds so when you add all that up it gets us to uh

[11:10] $220,000 now next uh we budgeted 10,000 more uh for uh Road repairs uh than the

[11:18] final Aro amount um so that would have

[11:24] uh I think right now it's at like see it's

[11:31] it's at 47 or it's at 57 we pull 10 out of that road repair budget we're still

[11:37] using all of the arpa funds just for Street repairs um and then we add that

[11:42] so that leaves us with $30,000 so the final 10 has to come from somewhere now

[11:48] our budget surplus is going to be bigger than um

[11:52] anticipated so we can do one of two things and that is either pull the final

[11:57] 10,000 out of our budget surus or pit or Institute a water increase water rate in

[12:05] increase for of the restrip SE so those MERS that I up with anybody

[12:12] have any questions so far no questions but I know where I

[12:17] stand

[12:23] on it's up to you ultimately what I I want guidance from in the council is

[12:27] what to put in budget that would be presented at the next meeting and that

[12:33] is something that will be open there will be a public hearing on the budget

[12:36] and people can come and voice their concerns again ultimately I want to know

[12:40] tonight uh how do we make up the do we want to pull from the Surplus or do we

[12:44] want to increase um the the water rate for

[12:51] usage Surplus how to make it back

[12:57] but

[13:01] me from a financial perspective it makes no sense to sell

[13:13] water a business

[13:18] toble to put it up my brain not working to um it doesn't make sense to say well

[13:25] this is only going to cost you $5 but it cost me 15

[13:29] you know as a a make money no that's and I think that you know are we in this one

[13:36] instance it looks like there's been a lot of um massaging and working with the

[13:41] numbers and cutting back shoot he is cold in here to try and make these

[13:46] numbers but now and ongoing does it make sense for us to continue to sell water

[13:51] when we're having to pay so much for and we're very blessed that we're not doing

[13:55] a $300 a run like we were before um and that we have we've done so much we have

[14:01] the water meters that tell us when there's a week I mean I think we're

[14:04] trying to do everything but you know we're close to the market this time but

[14:09] I think ongoing we need to reevaluate it does not make fiduciary Financial sense

[14:14] to continue to sell a product at a lot less than what we PA for and so I agree

[14:20] with you on that my push back is is that we've gone all summer and here we are in

[14:25] the fourth quarter and we're going to slam our citizens with a huge bills for

[14:30] one month right and my thought is I do think we need a rate increase but I

[14:36] think we need a rate increase on our on the city's water so that we're making

[14:40] the money before we go into restrictions so

[14:44] that we have that money in reserve to make these because I I don't know if you

[14:48] ATS but you know I mean our bill would

[14:52] jumped over $300 um and so like I get it but for one

[14:58] month to get hit with that 9 cents I'd be okay like doing a

[15:04] five like a three five moving on up it's not quite the

[15:10] n i mean to immediately that's where I'm at like for

[15:16] this fourth quarter it's almost like because of I'm useally of our

[15:20] mismanagement I don't think our citizens should be held accountable here at the

[15:25] last minute this is something we should have been addressing

[15:29] especially the PO water users I when the Restriction started and I think of the

[15:35] penalty and that's that's my opinion I agree with you good business is not

[15:40] selling stuff for cheaper than you bought of course but you also don't do

[15:44] that at the last minute to people so that's kind of where I stand I'm will to

[15:49] negotiate do where we're at to come up with that but I just think he need to

[15:55] for next season you need to make some some differ

[16:12] what I didn't

[16:14] realize and then we manipulate the

[16:27] te you look at our overall water rate 31 most expensive you know in the state you

[16:34] know cuz I have looked at it and you know

[16:37] most bring you know and you know yeah so you know if you look at

[16:46] just bone water were you top of the top of the lift right so yeah I what really

[16:54] bothers me is that you know we've been trying to tackle this water issue for a

[16:59] number of years before a lot of other communities were having the same

[17:03] issue um we've had opportunities to try to take care of it I mean even since

[17:08] Alex has been here we've been trying to get this thing resolved and we're not

[17:13] much further along than where we've been right so that's my biggest issue is that

[17:18] you know this is something that we should have

[17:21] done a little sooner than where we're at right now and to dena's point and your

[17:27] point too that 9 cents um I don't think it's going for

[17:32] the last month right as you said um I think this is considering going forward

[17:38] this this last December is not really going to make that much of a difference

[17:41] for us so you know I mean I don't think that was the intent right so the figure

[17:49] of uh that we used came up with $7,500 per month while this is in place we

[17:56] could get an additional $7,500 per month uh in uh water Revenue if we moved up to

[18:03] 9,000 to9 cents per gallon and then the idea would be after two months of that

[18:08] um we would be uh at 15,000 um in addition to we already

[18:14] budgeted for 2023 and first part of 2024 that's correct so we'd look at it this

[18:20] month and probably in January um because it's very possible that you know the

[18:25] wells as well as I read this correctly that there's only uh one person that's

[18:33] going over that right now so right yeah so that uh data did not end up being

[18:39] Fleet so I I put together those numbers four days four days before um the end of

[18:45] the month so that Monday the Meers were read and then that Thursday the Meers

[18:49] were read and in that that last four days a number of people did end up going

[18:53] over 7500 in that that that short window of

[18:59] they were close I like H they're probably okay but then in those last

[19:02] three days they just just Bunch so um I think it ended up being more like

[19:08] 10 but the N for is anybody over 5,000 right yeah and this is basically in

[19:15] response to the community saying don't shut off our water and it's like as long

[19:20] as we have access to water you know if we get closer to what we're actually

[19:23] having to pay for it that makes sense and fairness to me this affect 20% of

[19:30] City

[19:32] users and I you know I about my own budget that I've had in

[19:37] my businesses at home I hate to take reserves because what if I mean that

[19:41] that kind of you know what reserves do we have if the tree falls on the council

[19:47] thingy here and we need to fix it I I think it's important to have Reserve

[19:52] funds we don't know what's going to happen so to use those for the water

[19:57] makes me worried yeah um by the end of November we had

[20:02] spent more on water hauling than in total we received in water Revenue so

[20:07] all the money that's supposed to come in to pay for everything else in the water

[20:10] programming all of it has gone to water hauling and we've had to M from

[20:15] elsewhere to pay for stuff it is it is a true imbalance because there's we've

[20:20] simply just spent more money on water hauling and we brought in to pay for

[20:23] what wanted to get here and as a result a lot of other things are going to have

[20:26] to be cut because that top 2 TI of users just is not reducing their water usage

[20:32] by as much we're luy that we can bring water

[20:37] in because I forget which which cities it starts with an

[20:41] H that I mean they're capped and that's it right I don't know which

[20:48] one I think that we have that and you know some of us are really crazy when it

[20:54] comes to to trying to watch water not not everybody is

[20:59] yes yeah I know next year we can be smarter about this um 22 to 23 ended up

[21:06] being a very very nice fiscal year for us because we budgeted 60 and we only

[21:10] spent 35 so we figured okay with increas in conservation we got these no water

[21:15] meters that are doing better 60 doesn't seem like a bad number to keep up with

[21:19] next year we're going to write a war budget that budget is going to be

[21:22] prepared to take on something this big um what we're going to have to do is

[21:27] negotiate over year with a water H and figure out how much she wants to have

[21:32] received for her services and then we the budget accordingly we increase the

[21:36] amount of Revenue we can expect uh and we increase the amount of money as a

[21:41] result of the new rate that comes in um there are other things we'll do to make

[21:46] sure um things get done a little better but nothing we can do about Mother

[21:51] Nature no not really um we did have a meeting with our state representative

[21:56] Jamie Kate um last week and we let her know about the problem we're having

[22:01] right now and we asked if she would be willing to work with us to get $60,000

[22:05] for us to use next year for water hauling since we're uh hopefully on

[22:08] track to get the the new will uh completed by the summer of 2025

[22:14] basically if everything goes right we have just one more year of this and then

[22:18] we don't have to worry about it again so where do they phon from the

[22:25] federal government and are they pretty much I mean how do they have to be used

[22:32] what's structure it oh there's a a massive list of projects you can use

[22:37] that for um we use part of it to pay for a new PLC and the rest of it we're going

[22:42] to use for RO repairs maintenance there's like a hundred

[22:47] different things you can use it for not water um they want infrastructure is

[22:53] kind of the the thrust of it um I I could look on the list to see

[22:59] if they would allow us to use it for um water huling during the fiscal year but

[23:05] during the budget cycle this year we you we decided to have the rest of the ARA

[23:09] funds be used for stre repair so I

[23:26] I yeah yeah it's a very long list one of

[23:31] them is cash assistance like you can literally just give it out everybody in

[23:36] get of the 45 left

[23:43] see yeah everybody get there we go every city resident

[23:49] would get $127

[23:55] 12 we can fix thead yeah so making sure that we do dedicate

[24:02] money to roads is pretty important it's next to

[24:07] water yeah so there are a lot of other structural changes I would be recommend

[24:13] that we make to the budget next year um we've been kind of working off one

[24:19] that's has been used for several years that wasn't using the best data and

[24:23] didn't really reflect I think um the best possible use of the funds we were

[24:28] getting so next year you can expect the budget that I I produced to be a lot

[24:34] different than we have now um to make sure there is much more dedicated

[24:38] funding for roads and uh water funds are a lot more closely tied to the actual

[24:44] water Revenue because our old general fund revenue is kind of backfilling

[24:48] everything else we do and especially right now our reserves have really been

[24:52] paying for everything because uh we have been spending more money in the water

[24:56] than we have been bringing for

[25:13] everybody in there's a lot of people that for a long time have really been

[25:19] concerned and so I hate to see these people take another hit you know some of

[25:25] the people that are used in 10,000 gall water they're the ones that are putting

[25:29] us in they're the ones that are cusing so

[25:33] much water you you know I think back when we

[25:37] did the last we been on top things we looked

[25:56] at

[26:09] a percent like but we didn't so we're

[26:21] just and

[26:25] so I mean I agree with you Jeff I just don't know

[26:34] um by the ones that never slowed down using water I'm sure we all agree

[26:41] because know my did struggle to try to make it count where we could you

[26:56] knower and I get two and a half gallons as I'm trying to get water water in my

[27:00] shower and then I go and I water my critters or I put it in my rain I take

[27:05] my my

[27:09] water TR and water I know not everybody does we had some

[27:26] com

[27:41] a little

[27:51] B It's

[27:55] amazing And also it doesn't change much but the n

[28:02] on that last

[28:08] mon yeah each month Ray hold another

[28:13] day like in AUST

[28:19] 3 10 days in AUST 11 in November orry not September 11 in November

[28:33] 12 one day exra East so like that 9 cents is over the last month so like we

[28:39] can't it's like a generic number if this month that water goes

[28:43] up we're not paying when I went to the city pretty

[28:48] much base is I didn't get know we got

[28:56] 125 paying $548 for

[29:00] 7448 gallons so that's pretty much we're paying uh

[29:06] $20 roughly to fill ra truck up per run and he's charging

[29:12] two it's going to be 3 148 148 like 320 something so we're at

[29:21] $350 per run you know so every every two hours 350 bucks like if we to

[29:29] recalculate this at a true one truck load what are we paying it's hard to

[29:35] calculate the base rate because that base rate gets divided up by how many

[29:39] truck loads you run but uh I think more accurate number I think we should do if

[29:44] we're going to raise it on people is what's a bank rate on one truck load

[29:48] because the truck loads are going to fluctuate per

[29:53] month at the same time I want money but it's kind of like at the end of the game

[29:59] not to reiterate what I said earlier like now we're an emergency and like all

[30:03] citizens to out you know

[30:11] and yeah for sure I don't know how we how we approach that that's why I P from

[30:18] Surplus and or even streets I mean we can pull

[30:23] another streets I don't think there's another CH Street

[30:29] I was I was curious that you earlier you said talked about Surplus and you had an

[30:33] idea for where else to get it I'm just thinking somehow of how we can

[30:40] maximize move forward to make the money on own water you know right now we're

[30:52] at8 and JD recommends 89 for the second tier has jum that 50

[31:00] bucks we something in the middle I think

[31:05] ients gallon from 2500 to

[31:13] 5,000 but it

[31:16] gets I I guess I don't understand I mean I when you're when you're talking

[31:23] about that's the actual product itself yeah

[31:28] they they sell it by a unit so 748 gallons per unit so that's

[31:34] $548 Tru rough 4500 4000 400

[31:40] whatever 400 or times right so five times that that's $30 per truck but

[31:48] calculating r on top of that yeah which you know anything it would be nice to

[31:53] pay the wholesale just the product rate for anything look at all the taxes and

[31:58] all the stuff I mean I think the following first of all we're a heck of a

[32:02] lot better than we have been as far as rates because drought or whatever was

[32:07] hea and we're not having to pay insurance or the vehicle or the P I mean

[32:12] I don't think it's exactly good to compare the actual cost of the liquid

[32:18] water versus what it cost our water bill this month and

[32:23] totally just the actual water is 2000

[32:32] r with us what if R doesn't next year and we make this adjustment for the 9

[32:36] cents now going into next season and then that rates even higher and we find

[32:40] ourselves in in a predicament of know czy happens you

[32:48] know go up prices go we just adjusted for that and then we're going

[32:55] into adjust again um

[33:00] that's don't that makes sense and that's why our the budget that we write for

[33:05] this next fiscal year is going to be done uh with planning for basically this

[33:09] to happen again it's not going to be hey let's hope that you know 60,000 or

[33:13] whatever let's hope that you know we get the money uh unless I see the money in

[33:18] hand before the budget is written we're not going to plan on getting any support

[33:23] and we are going to plan on this happening again and we are going to make

[33:27] sure that we have enough water Revenue coming in to pay for the water hauling

[33:31] without digging into our reserves and that's going to involve necessarily

[33:35] earlier negotiations with Ray uh making sure we know what his number is going to

[33:40] be and being prepared to charge that in the fall letting people know very early

[33:44] it's going to be a lot more expensive this last year we have to do this um you

[33:49] need to plan for it now or you need to plan for just using L water because uh

[33:55] the money is not going to be there and we can't keep keeping into reserves year

[33:58] after year because that's how you lose all your reserves well that's not what

[34:02] I'm suggest temporary thing to get back on

[34:08] so that we can adjust I just don't want to make a hasty reaction 9 like I'm not

[34:14] okay with this but you were saying that 9 cents you don't feel comfortable with

[34:19] but if we do 9 cents it might be more next year well what I'm saying jump stra

[34:30] increase on so right

[34:35] now

[34:40] is so that would jump to 3 be 31 5000

[34:50] to5

[34:55] more

[34:59] 12,000 gallons what is more money people it's

[35:06] not you as hard but you're making more

[35:11] money between but they're the most population

[35:15] of the city yeah I mean 80% water why are they getting the

[35:21] discount and then the people that some have a larger family

[35:26] you like in it I guess what I'm saying is we're in it together you know instead

[35:30] of just hitting those next years like we all got to bite the bullet needed we're

[35:35] not changing the base rate at 47 just those next one

[35:42] what Char

[35:52] the

[35:55] people

[36:05] there to help out City so I don't want my to jump when I've put that

[36:20] I L restrictions over I think that they need to be at a higher rate

[36:34] that we using you know 10,000 plus gallons during our

[36:38] restriction Ian yeah I think even when we were

[36:43] watering our Gard in the summer time we never went over 10 but probably help but

[36:47] I mean that's six raised beds by 15t long and to not use over 10 um I was

[36:54] surprised though we're right a seven we have a

[36:58] household so like I don't know we're like right there at thege I guess get

[37:03] water shut off every month I at my bill

[37:21] every advant or good idea to figure from The Geto are we charging enough water

[37:27] for water I we've been up that whatever we did 45 to

[37:34] 47 is that a reasonable Fair number if we didn't have a disaster and everything

[37:40] went well and people is that fair and I don't know that we can we can compare

[37:46] ourselves with every other City because we're very we have no income otherwise

[37:50] we don't have a lot of business it's funny Hy was telling me Oh we're just

[37:53] like sods I'm driving doy and all these

[38:02] like school well the school's actually

[38:06] significantly cut down their water usage and they're looking at alternative water

[38:11] sources for their campus getting a sister and that kind of thing so as as

[38:15] I've talked with them they're they're already making some very drastic changes

[38:19] they're they're cut since we let them know last month like this is getting

[38:24] really bad they cut almost 50% of us so

[38:51] should

[38:54] on the thing still s with me

[39:23] is understand that we're trying to keep

[39:31] keep we have any Realty go

[39:41] Downy

[39:50] of the one resident that you made deal with

[39:56] yeah um did he pay truck price yeah p00 gallon he cut his bill like almost

[40:04] in half after that first month sticker sh

[40:06] like

[40:14] so know it's not me to it's me to be real and it motivat you to St and you

[40:21] know restrict yourself that's better same with you know gas going to have a

[40:25] gas are you going to have something that doesn't that's your choice if you want

[40:29] to pay for again as long as we have access to

[40:33] water wants to pay for it I think that's much Kinder and better than stop you can

[40:40] AFF

[40:46] it you know one the citiz helping us out you

[40:51] know with this thing but I mean is that

[41:03] [Music]

[41:22] something Grand I wouldn't think so I don't

[41:34] know truck that's

[41:38] cost I for 12 years truck

[41:53] [Music] iost

[41:57] well we we this is this these are like the com he might not have time SCH now

[42:02] but if he becomes a driver we have extra day to a sh which means have to pay more

[42:06] but in the long

[42:15] run he runs three days a week other

[42:23] days we' supped we've been hauling water for 20

[42:28] years we've been spending 60 plus Grand a year on water for 20 years add that up

[42:35] you can't tell me that not owning the city own own truck want to pay for

[42:39] already or you buy the TRU and

[42:55] you

[43:04] un lot a lot

[43:19] more that

[43:25] happen2 we spent $85,000

[43:37] water and and you know I'm a real know that I'm really really praying hoping

[43:44] twisting everything that reaches that we actually get everything taken care of in

[43:47] 2025 and Okie

[43:55] doie you know I'm hoping that we just have another year of waterf that would

[44:00] be

[44:12] [Music]

[44:15] awesome yes well we we had to spend a lot of time fixing stuff from the

[44:25] past

[44:32] well you're going to see the work plan presented by business Oregon at the next

[44:35] city council meeting our business Oregon and our leg Council have provided us

[44:39] information about the best way to move forward and how they expect it to be

[44:43] done you know the the very first thing we need to do is get a surveyor on

[44:47] retainer and get him in room ra but two of them can talk about just how much of

[44:52] you know his property is going to be used they can write a legal scrip

[44:55] subcription for an easement Bear's a purchase option and then um then we can

[45:01] actually go okay um and then you know we did a good chunk of the money that we've

[45:07] secured this year that about million dollar amount is um for project

[45:11] management and Engineering so we'll have a professional in the room who knows how

[45:15] to get this done done before um

[45:21] so you we're on track to uh get a lot of this done we just

[45:28] need to make sure that we're sticking with the plan and that plan is something

[45:30] that business Argan and our Council both laid out in the last month and we will

[45:35] lay that out publicly in December so we know here's what is expected of us here

[45:39] is how much money there is um here's the pieces that fit together I mean I I

[45:45] totally feel and understand the frustration from the community this is

[45:49] the whole reason I'm on city council is when I moved here seven years ago and

[45:54] they said you're going to get tiet

[45:58] come to find out restrictions I had no idea when I purchased my property

[46:04] c 25 years what I mean I didn't find out about this until work you bought you

[46:24] guys

[46:43] yeah so um aside from 30,000 in cuts and other things how do we want to make up

[46:51] the last 10 that's ultimately what I need to hear from everybody today do we

[46:55] want to um do we want to pull from Surplus do we

[46:59] want to move it up to 9 cents per gallon uh for everything above 5,000 do we want

[47:05] to use a different number in structure Al together as has been presented and

[47:11] [Music]

[47:17] proposed

[47:24] okay well

[47:28] yeah okay

[47:33] so with all of the cuts and everything that leaves us with an end of the year

[47:39] cash balance of 64,000

[47:44] so um and that is with

[47:50] um with a 10,000 just pulling it from the Surplus so if we don't pull from the

[47:55] Surplus it'll be 74,000 if we do BU from the Surplus it'll be

[47:59] 64,000 the thing that worries me too is our infastructure old yes you know all

[48:04] we need is a couple really big water M breaks or you know something like

[48:09] that or hopefully

[48:17] we

[48:24] system

[48:34] and I brought this up earlier a little bit

[48:40] to want to check before we do anything on cutting your time um my my frame

[48:48] reference is always only another state so I have no idea but the state if you

[48:52] cut somebody's time you have to cut their

[48:56] um and stuff so I just don't want us to step onto that anything so yeah make

[49:03] sure before I mean it's a great offer of yours I mean it benefits you and it

[49:06] benefits the but I would make sure that we're on track for that yeah that makes

[49:13] sense okay yeah I can check with our accountant to see if she knows of

[49:17] anything that would affect payroll and

[49:24] benefit see what what might be a problem

[49:34] not

[49:42] yeah well I really I I don't like the idea of of going into the budget so but

[49:48] I think oh sorry till the end of the year

[49:51] cash balance uh if we make all these cuts that I recommended would

[49:56] 6,200 and that includes using 10,000 for water so not 64

[50:15] 6,200 um you know there's we will be exercising fiscal restraints to to

[50:23] through the end of the year um you know for our 23 through

[50:28] um remember the for 22 through 23 are projected ending fund balance was $

[50:35] 66,6 our actual balance was 206,000 um which is why we're able to

[50:42] rework our budget like this so I I think a a much higher number than 60 is

[50:48] realistic as long as we exercise fiscal restraint and if there is a revenue

[50:53] increase throughout the year I think that is

[50:59] doing again I I don't like the idea of taking out of our Surplus for La of a

[51:04] better word but I could see for this time only since it's the end of the year

[51:10] I want to be conent and Fa and transparent but it's only month or so to

[51:16] maybe have a less than but I think ongoing we need ham down on these rates

[51:21] especially for high users yeah

[51:26] yeah I mean dur even when um last fiscal year um water the end of water hauling

[51:33] and the end of water restrictions weren't the same period I think we water

[51:38] restriction for like a month or two after we stopped hauling just water

[51:41] wasn't producing we just weren't in the the range where we needed to bring the

[51:46] bu so if we're if we're keeping it open for

[51:50] another couple months and it's at 9 cents you know that helps recoup the the

[51:55] costs from uh the water hauling that resulted

[51:59] from these high

[52:09] users 7500 is the killer I think the that spot because um it has been a

[52:17] little more difficult to enforce than anticipating um you know given again

[52:22] like this last month last week a bunch of people are below and buch um

[52:34] and um yeah that that 7500 plus is

[52:40] still one that's you know working a lot of money for

[52:44] us so in the inter term in the short term period um we had basically put it

[52:51] out there that you know 7500 was a cap you to you know do

[52:55] um permit and see you know if there was a right to but see there

[53:01] was um you know but then we talk about 5,000 on this which is double what the

[53:08] base Rak pays for that's you know but the average family I'm thinking out loud

[53:13] probably uses closer to maybe 4,000 5,000 I think definitely the 7500

[53:21] maybe stuff out there maybe do it the 7 500 and um 9 and then we sit and we

[53:30] reate

[53:54] the there are alternatives you know if

[53:57] somebody's really worried about you know taking showers you can get a gym

[53:59] membership for $25 a month go take a

[54:24] shower

[54:28] be

[54:33] R I think you know because some people work and they get here to do their

[54:40] permit [Music]

[54:44] andate

[54:47] over5 everybody who went over 7500 this last month was mailed a permit so they

[54:52] can fill it out and give it to us but that permit does what 60 bucks well

[54:59] yeah what the cost of water is that that perm came in just so you could wash your

[55:05] car

[55:09] durri I think that needs to go away and I think it's 7500 for the people who

[55:14] want I mean you pay to play if you want to use that much water awesome you're

[55:24] just

[1:23:25] we

[1:23:38] go

Sodaville City Council Work Session 12-11-2023

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