[0:04] As well as those that are on Zoom, I understand that this topic can be a little contentious, but if we can please, please, show that we are respectful, and that this is the safe place so that we can hear everyone's concerns. So with that, Madam City Clerk, it is Southgate Special City Council meeting for Monday, June 26th at 5.30 p.m. Please roll call, please. Mayor Obelis.

[0:34] President.

[0:35] Vice Mayor Tadal.

[0:36] President.

[0:37] Council Member Davila.

[0:38] President.

[0:39] Council Member Barron.

[0:40] President.

[0:41] Council Member Teos.

[0:42] President.

[0:43] City Treasurer de la Paz.

[0:44] President.

[0:45] City Manager Duffers.

[0:47] He's here.

[0:48] City Attorney Salinas.

[0:49] President.

[0:51] President of the Government Code Section 54952.3.

[0:54] Disclosure of Compensation for Meeting Attendance.

[0:57] Vice City Council Members.

[0:58] It's $790 monthly regardless of the amount of meetings.

[1:02] Thank you, Madam City Clerk. So at this time, I would like to direct. If you need translation,

[1:07] there's headphones in the back.

[1:09] Thank you, Madame City Clerk.

[1:18] And following the conclusion of a public hearing, the City Council will consider awaiting

[1:22] the reading and full and proving the introduction of an ordinance and menu provisions of the South

[1:28] gave municipal pertaining to sidewalk vendor section 2.10.150 business requiring a business permit and section 2.10970 sidewalk

[1:39] funding program of chapter 2.10 business regulation of the title to licenses businesses regulations and section 7.39.010 salesman more

[1:54] motorized vehicle on city streets prohibited of chapter 7.9 sales from non-motorized vehicles

[2:02] of the city streets prohibited, except rain city-sponsored events of Title 7 public safety

[2:08] and morals, Consection 8.14, 0.010, unlawful parking, peddlers, vendors, and vehicles advertised

[2:19] for sale or rent of chapter 8.14 on lawful parking,

[2:24] peddlers, spenders, and vehicles advertised for sale or rent.

[2:28] A sato 8 traffic of the Southgate Municipal Code and to be determining that the proposed ordinance

[2:34] is exempt, pursuant to section 1506B2 and B3 and 1308 of the California Environmental Quality

[2:44] Act.

[2:44] Thank you, Madam City clerk. So at this one, I'd like to turn it over to our city attorney for on sunnyness.

[2:52] Thank you very much, man mayor. We have a presentation this evening from Jim Eckhart who has worked with the city staff to prepare the ordinance.

[3:01] And so a number of changes to made in Sacramento with respect to the ordinance.

[3:08] The city has an existing vendor ordinance on its books.

[3:13] The ordinance is actually what we have on the books right now is more restrictive than what the city staff and

[3:21] the city attorney's office is recommending here it's intended to bring us into compliance with the state law.

[3:29] changes that have been made. I encourage the audience and the public to please pay

[3:36] attention to the sidewalk-bending presentation that we're going to be making at

[3:42] this time. Just a couple of additional comments here because there's been some

[3:46] misleading information out on social media. The product of this ordinance has

[3:52] been driven by city staff and it has been driven by legal counsel here consulting with city staff

[4:01] and what is legal and what is permissible under the state. It has not been driven by any particular

[4:07] member of the city council. In fact, in September of 2022, the governor signed Senate bill 972 that

[4:17] made it easier for street vendors to obtain permits.

[4:21] It also allows for street vendors to operate in areas

[4:24] that were once not permitted.

[4:28] It is for the more, this is in compliance

[4:31] with Section 946, which in essence decriminalize

[4:35] this street vendor.

[4:36] So there's nothing in this ordinance

[4:38] that makes a street vendor a criminal.

[4:43] There's no criminal repercussions

[4:46] that will flow from this particular ordinance.

[4:49] I want to make sure that is put out there in the public.

[4:56] like all of the five council members are

[5:00] To participate in this discussion, none of them own any businesses within the city of Southgate. I think it's important for us to state the facts here. At some point in time, the public will be allowed to make comments to the city council. Those comments are intended to be directed to the city council. You will be interrupted if those comments are directed to any member of the public.

[5:29] public because it is it's important to maintain the respect that should be given to the members

[5:36] of the public who have decided to come here and hear their voices heard. So you are encouraged

[5:42] to be courteous and to respect the process that is permitted by the Brown Act. We encourage

[5:48] your compliance with that. At this point, Madam Mayor, I have no further comments.

[5:54] So what's going to do the president? Jim Eckert, our city prosecutor is online and he will be going through this PowerPoint presentation.

[6:03] A number of comments about Mr. Eckert, if I may, Madam Mayor. Mr. Eckert represents the number of cities throughout the Los Angeles County area.

[6:12] He's probably the one lawyer that represents more cities when it comes to this particular topic area than I could think.

[6:18] He is in my, he is, excuse me, excuse me,

[6:27] he is, he is one of the most experienced attorneys

[6:31] in this area.

[6:32] We're going to be hearing from him and we have prepared a presentation to explain what

[6:38] this ordinance is at that time.

[6:40] Thank you, Madame Mayor.

[6:41] Mr. Eckhart, can you do a sound check for us?

[6:46] Yes.

[6:47] Thank you very much.

[6:47] Can you hear me?

[6:48] Yes.

[6:49] Yes, we can hear you to ask you to speak a little louder, please.

[6:52] Excellent.

[6:53] Okay.

[6:54] Well, Madam Mayor and Honorable Council members, thank you for this opportunity.

[6:59] My job today is to present to you some information regarding a sidewalk vending specifically the proposed

[7:05] ordinance before you.

[7:07] I don't know if we have the power point up.

[7:10] It is.

[7:12] Okay.

[7:14] And I can't see it on my screen.

[7:19] If I can have you on the city clerk, if I can have you, please let me know when to switch slides. I'll do that for you.

[7:30] You can't see the slides.

[7:50] Okay. I see it now.

[7:56] And can everybody still hear me? Yes.

[7:59] Okay. Perfect. So as we go through this as I indicated, an ordinance is being presented to the city council tonight for introduction, which is meant to amend the current regulations that the city currently has.

[8:12] So as we go through this, if we can, I'll just say next as we go through the next one and then if we can advance it. So next.

[8:24] Madam City clerk, if we can go to the next slide.

[8:32] Jim just one second and look out that detail.

[8:48] All right, members of the public again, I would ask you to please maintain the decorum here while we work this thing out.

[8:56] So that all voices and all perspectives can be heard this evening. I'd ask for your respect in that process.

[9:02] Let's

[9:08] take a quick reason.

[9:10] We're going to go ahead and take a five minute recess so that we can get in our technology

[9:16] straightened out.

[9:17] So Mr. Acker, if you could please stay on the line.

[9:19] Thank you.

[9:19] Of course.

[9:23] His name is James Eckert, ECK-ART.

[11:22] Mr. Edgert? Yes. Can you see the slideshow moving? I can, yes. Okay, it's working. Thank you.

[11:32] Jim, we're still in recess. We'll pick it up in just a second. Okay, no worries.

[12:35] Alrighty, Madam City Clerk, let's go ahead and resume. All right, Jim, we're back from recess right now. If I can ask the audience to please be quiet so we can hear the presentation. Please go ahead, Jim. Thank you.

[12:51] So just a brief history in September of 2018, our state adopted what we call the Safe

[12:58] Sidewalk Vending Act.

[13:00] It's commonly known as Senate Bill 946.

[13:04] And the purpose of that was to create a statewide program whereby sidewalk vending would

[13:11] be brought into our economy.

[13:13] It was to remove all criminal penalties, specifically because there were some adverse consequences

[13:18] in the immigration side of things for many of the sidewalk vendors that operate it throughout the state of California.

[13:26] In so doing, the state set out some minimum requirements for these types of programs to allow it within every jurisdiction,

[13:33] and that would be charter cities as well as general law cities.

[13:36] However, next, if we can go to the next slide, SB 946 did allow for some local regulation.

[13:43] However, it imposed limitations on the types of regulations that local jurisdictions, meaning counties and cities, would be able to impose.

[13:53] And specifically, the state has indicated that those are what we call time, place, and manner restrictions.

[13:59] That is, cities are allowed to impose regulations that affect the time, the place, and the manner in which sidewalk vending can be operated or conducted.

[14:09] So long as those regulations are directly related to objective health safety and welfare concerns, and this gets us back to the very title of SB 946, the Safe Sidewalk Vending Act.

[14:22] Next, one of the big things that the state of California did do when it granted authorization to the cities to impose local regulations is it specifically prohibited.

[14:36] the local community from imposing regulations that are the result of perceived community

[14:44] animus or economic competition.

[14:46] That is, one of the things that the state wanted to prevent was the city from being

[14:50] able to impose regulations that would prohibit a sidewalk vendor of food, for example, from

[14:57] operating directly in front of another

[15:00] A brick and mortar store, a brick and mortar restaurant that sold similar food, that can't be a basis for the regulation under state law. So everything has to be directly related to objective health safety and welfare concerns. Next slide, please. So we'll go through what some of the current regulations are in the city of Southgate because as I indicated, the proposed ordinance seeks to amend some of these. And what we're going to look at is an overall framework of regulation.

[15:29] regulations that this certainly currently imposes on sidewalk vending. Next, please. The first is a business tax license.

[15:39] So the city of Southgate along with almost every other jurisdiction within the state of California and the nation imposes a tax upon businesses that operate.

[15:51] When we call this to business license, this is a license that is applicable to every business

[16:00] with a lunch truck, a catering truck.

[16:03] It doesn't matter whether it's an attorney, it doesn't matter whether it's a doctor

[16:06] or an apartment manager, brick and mortar or a tenor and vendors.

[16:09] It doesn't matter.

[16:10] It applies to every single business.

[16:12] And this is what one of the regulations that would apply under our current code to sidewalk

[16:18] vendors.

[16:18] Next, the next type of regulation that is applicable under the current framework that's

[16:27] encompassed in the Southgate Municipal Code is a regulatory permit.

[16:31] So aside from the tax license, the business license, on certain types of business activities,

[16:37] the city requires a regulatory permit.

[16:40] And sidewalk vending is one of those types of businesses that requires this special regulatory

[16:46] permit.

[16:47] These regulatory permits, as opposed to the tax license, a business license is really a receipt to show that you have paid the taxes off of the income that you're making from your business.

[17:00] The regulatory permit, however, is designed to actually regulate the activity. And that applies to a lot of different types of businesses within our city and sidewalk vending is one of them as our catering trucks and peddlers.

[17:14] And again, these types of regulations are directed to address very specific issues that are presented by those specific types of businesses.

[17:22] So the regulations that are imposed pursuant to a regulatory permit are not general to all different types of business, but each type of business is regulated by its own type of permit with its own type of regulations next.

[17:36] Next, the other component of the Southgate Municipal Code with respect to regulations that

[17:44] are imposed for all businesses and specifically sidewalk vendors, obviously includes penalties.

[17:49] As a result of SB946, which decriminalized activities with respect to a cities or a local

[17:58] sidewalk vending program, penalties are only an administrative fine.

[18:02] They are no longer misdemeanors, they are no longer in fractions, and our current code

[18:09] addresses this.

[18:10] The proposed amendments comply with this.

[18:13] We are not seeking to impose any criminal penalties as a result of violations of the

[18:18] local sidewalk vending program.

[18:21] Other businesses, however, different types of business other than sidewalk vendors are, in

[18:26] fact, subject to different types of penalties.

[18:28] And those would include administrative fines and fraction citations as well as misdemeanor

[18:33] prosecution.

[18:34] But, again, as a result of SB 946, those criminal penalties of either infraction or misdemeanor

[18:42] are not applicable to sidewalk vendors, and that's mandated by state law.

[18:52] Next.

[18:56] And what I want to do now is just go through a couple of definitions that we currently

[19:00] have in our code. One would be what a sidewalk vendor is. And I want to go through this only because

[19:04] there's often a misconception as to what some of these terms are that we talk about. And it's

[19:09] really important that we understand them. So a sidewalk vendor, both under our local law as well

[19:14] as under SB946, is a person who is selling food or merchandise from a non-motorized conveyance

[19:21] upon a sidewalk or a pedestrian path. And those non-motorized conveyances can be anything from a

[19:29] could be off of one's own person, as long as it's a non-motorized means of

[19:35] carrying the food or the merchandise which they are selling. And again, it's

[19:40] upon a sidewalk or a pedestrian pathway that would include within certain

[19:44] parks. Next, we do have two different types of sidewalk vendors. So these are

[19:50] subcategories of sidewalk vendors. One is a stationary sidewalk vendor. That's

[19:55] vendor who vends from a fixed location, right? They're stationary.

[20:00] Next, the other type of vendor is a roaming sidewalk vendor, and this is a vendor that actually moves from place to place, and by law is only allowed to stop to actually complete a sale. But upon completion of the sale, let's continue to move on. Next slide, please.

[20:19] So just to show you a few examples of some sidewalk vendors that we have, and if we can do four next so that we can show the four photographs that are up there. These are just some different examples of sidewalk vendors.

[20:31] And you can see that they range from people with mobile carts to people with more larger operations, although they're still mobile, they can still be picked up and moved at the end of the night.

[20:43] And then some that just have stepped them out on the sidewalk, put them in coolers or other types of again non motorized means of conveyances.

[20:55] So these are just some examples of the type of sidewalk vending activities that it's the safe sidewalk vending act as well as our local Southgate municipal code.

[21:06] Next slide, please.

[21:09] As I indicated, the state of California has set forth some very specific limitations upon the local jurisdictions and their ability to regulate sidewalk vendors.

[21:20] And so in going through the proposed ordinance, we just look at what some of the guiding principles are that we look at when we impose these sort of regulations.

[21:30] Next, please.

[21:32] One would obviously be compliance with state law.

[21:34] So as the city attorney indicated, we've had a local as in last year, the state enacted SB 972 that Senate bill 972, which is a modification, an amendment of the California retail food code.

[21:50] And in many instances, what that did was to make the ability for vendor sidewalk vendors

[21:59] of food a little bit easier throughout the state of California, that it is, it has,

[22:04] what the state called modernized some of its regulations to ensure that our health codes

[22:11] are more in compliance with the type of activity that's being conducted, and that is that we're

[22:16] not imposing the exact same requirements on one type of business that is different from

[22:22] another type of business, and the state of California views itinerant sidewalk vending

[22:28] to be a little different than a brick and mortar restaurant.

[22:31] And of course, we want to remain in compliance with SB 946, which is the one that was passed

[22:36] in 2018, our Safe Sidewalk Vending Act.

[22:39] Next slide, please.

[22:41] The other is public health.

[22:43] And again, we're talking about what the guiding principles are.

[22:46] We want to ensure that our code complies with our local health code, which would include

[22:50] the Los Angeles County health code.

[22:54] Next slide please.

[22:56] Additionally, public safety.

[22:58] So again, we're talking the guiding principles, compliance with state law, public health

[23:02] and public safety.

[23:03] And when we look at public safety, the primary issues that we're looking at is one accessibility

[23:09] that is we want to make sure, for example, that our sidewalks and pedestrian pathways still provide passage for those persons that require accessibility, right?

[23:24] Now, require either wheelchair or some other type of space, which under ADA, for example, is 36 inches of clearance so that they can utilize our sidewalks.

[23:35] The second is to ensure that we have safe sidewalks for the vendors, their patrons, other pedestrians are utilizing those sidewalks, but also motorists who are driving along the local streets that are adjacent to those particular sidewalks.

[23:51] So these are the guiding principles that we utilized in proposing the proposed modifications that are set forth in the ordinance.

[23:57] Next slide, please.

[24:00] So let's look at specifically what we are proposing.

[24:04] Next, the purpose of this ordinance primarily is again to streamline some of the procedures

[24:10] for business licenses and the business regulatory permits that are applicable sidewalk vendors.

[24:17] Under the current ordinance, there was a little bit of crossover between some of the requirements for the tax license versus the regulatory permits.

[24:26] So part of the purpose of this ordinance is to streamline those procedures and actually make it a more simple process for those persons who want to come in and get the appropriate permits and licenses to operate as a sidewalk vendor in our city next.

[24:41] Secondarily, obviously we want to ensure protections for pedestrian usage of our city sidewalks, and again, this includes ensuring accessible routes along those sidewalks and pedestrian pathways.

[24:52] And so some of the regulations that we are looking to modify or amend in the proposed ordinance.

[25:00] Are specifically geared towards ensuring safe passage ways and accessibility along our sidewalks and pedestrian paths. Next slide, please. We are also trying to promote, again, safe sidewalk vending operations. And this really gets us back to the purpose behind SB 946. Again, the title of it, safe sidewalk vending act. So we are under the current ordinance. When it was initially drafted,

[25:29] back, and I believe it was 2018, there were several areas within the city where sidewalk

[25:36] vending activities were just blanketly prohibited.

[25:39] And the proposed ordinance is trying to move away from that.

[25:41] That is, we're trying to move away from blanket prohibitive areas and rather impose limitations

[25:48] that are directly related to safety issues.

[25:52] And those are going to be uniform throughout the city, those particular requirements, such

[25:58] to safe distances from other sidewalk vendors,

[26:01] from the roadway that vehicles are on,

[26:03] from driveways to ensure that people have passageway

[26:06] into and out of those driveways, public transit stops,

[26:11] fire hydrants, traffic control devices,

[26:13] things of that nature.

[26:14] So again, we are focusing more on

[26:17] distance requirements from those things

[26:19] to ensure the safe usage of our streets and sidewalks.

[26:22] Excuse me.

[26:24] Hey Jim, hang on a second.

[26:25] Yes, I'm going to again ask the audience here to be respectful of the presentation. We have people listening in on zoom and we have people here in the audience and we need to get through this presentation said everyone understands what this ordinance is.

[26:43] The public will have ample opportunity to comment on this after the presentations made. Thank you very much. Jim, please continue.

[26:52] Thank you. Thank you. Again, just to reiterate this last point, we are trying to move away from blanket prohibiting areas within our city, which did impose severe restrictions on the areas in which the sidewalk vendor could operate to focusing more on distance requirements that are being imposed to protect the health safety and welfare, again, of not only our pedestrians that are using the sidewalk, but also of the sidewalk

[27:21] vendors themselves.

[27:24] Next slide, please.

[27:27] One of the things that we are doing is we're proposing some amendments to the definition

[27:32] of sidewalk vendor, and this is really not imposing a change on the definition of sidewalk

[27:37] vendor.

[27:38] It's really being done to provide greater clarification so that staff and the vendors themselves understand

[27:45] what they can and cannot do.

[27:47] So part of what we're doing in this is we're proposing an amendment to the definition

[27:51] of a sidewalk vendor to ensure that everybody is aware that sidewalk vending, you know,

[27:58] the definition of a sidewalk vendor would explicitly prohibit vendors whose operations and

[28:03] whole are in part are taking place on a roadway within an alley, on public or private property,

[28:10] whether it's a parking lot, a parking structure, in dedicated bicycle path lanes, in the parkways,

[28:17] in roadway medians. These are all areas that were not covered by SB 946. SB 946 was very specific

[28:26] that this is meant to allow vending on sidewalks, not on private property, not in the roadway,

[28:33] not in roadway medians, not in crosswalks, not on freeway on ramps. And again, many of these things

[28:41] are either unsafe. For example, obviously, trying to be a vendor in the middle of a street

[28:48] would be unsafe to both vehicular as well as pedestrian traffic. But also we have other

[28:54] regulations, which we'll talk about in a second, that would apply to those persons who want

[28:59] to vend on private property. So it's not to say that people can't vend on private property.

[29:04] It's just that they are not covered on their sidewalk vending. They would be covered

[29:08] under our other peddling types of activities assuming that they are

[29:12] itinerant and not a brick and mortar operation. Next slide please. So some

[29:17] examples of what would not constitute a sidewalk vendor and if we can go

[29:23] next slide, sales for motorized vehicles. Now this is not to say that we are doing

[29:29] anything that would prohibit sales for motorized vehicles. To the contrary we're

[29:34] saying they are not sidewalk vendors. Why? Obviously, if we go back to the definition of a sidewalk

[29:39] vendor, they're selling from a motorized conveyance, which is not what a sidewalk vendor is,

[29:44] and obviously they're selling on the street. However, we do have other regulations and permitting

[29:49] requirements under our Southgate Municipal Code, and those listed up there for you. Very similar to

[29:57] a sidewalk vendor, just under different code sections.

[30:00] Where we still require them to get a business license, they would need to get a peddler permit, and there's different types of peddling regulations and parking restrictions that they would be subject to. So again, the modifications that we are proposing is to clarify that, for example, this type of an operation would not be a sidewalk vendor, but again, they are things that are still permissible, just subject to different regulations within our municipal code. Next slide, please. Here's other examples of

[30:29] of vending that would not be considered sidewalk vending.

[30:33] Why?

[30:33] Because neither of these are on the sidewalk.

[30:36] As you notice from both of these,

[30:37] these are people who are vending on private property,

[30:40] whether it's within a parking lot

[30:42] or in a grass area or in another portion,

[30:45] the bottom one in the gas station.

[30:47] These are our vendors on a private property,

[30:49] so they're not sidewalk vendors.

[30:51] Now, that, again, does not mean that they cannot do this.

[30:54] It just means that they're subject to different regulations.

[30:56] So part of what we're trying to do is clarify both for staff as well as for the vendors themselves so that they understand that by definition.

[31:06] And this is definition that set forth an SB 946 and our code would be more compliant with that to again demonstrate and clarify that these types of operations are not sidewalk vending operations and instead would be subject to other regulations, which the city already has within its municipal code.

[31:24] Next slide, please.

[31:27] Some of the other types of amendments that we're proposing this, one is again, I talked

[31:31] about this a little bit briefly as distance requirements, so we're looking to ensure greater

[31:35] protections for the vendors, for their patrons, for pedestrians who are utilizing the sidewalk

[31:42] and even for vehicular traffic that is often impacted by sidewalk vending.

[31:47] And so what we are proposing is some distance requirements to ensure that the sidewalk vending

[31:53] operations as a whole, maintain safe distances from a variety of things, and many of these

[31:59] are already within the city's code. We are just clarifying some of them and consolidating

[32:05] some of them as well. Next slide. To show you some of the distances that we're talking

[32:10] about, we're trying to ensure that our sidewalk vending operations are not too close to intersections

[32:15] and crosswalks. We're by the operation. When I say the operation, I do want to make sure

[32:20] that we understand, the operation is not just the cart itself.

[32:25] Although we're concerned about the operator of the cart and the cart, we're also concerned

[32:29] about the queue of patrons that they will have.

[32:32] And many of these sidewalk vending operations are very successful.

[32:36] They have followings.

[32:38] And so we end up with large groups of people who might be waiting in line to obtain either

[32:44] the food or the merchandise that they're purchasing from the sidewalk vendor.

[32:46] So we want to make sure that that operation is a safe distance away from crosswalks, intersections, traffic control devices, fire hydrants, driveway aprons.

[32:57] Oftentimes we have things where lines of patrons start encroaching into the driveway, and then obviously there's health and safety risks to those patrons, as well as to vehicles that are trying to utilize those.

[33:07] Also from railroad crossings and again just a couple of additional things that are shown on the screen.

[33:14] Public transit stops, bus stops, outdoor dining areas, ATM machines.

[33:19] I want to make sure that people are feeling safe to utilize ATM machines without having a crowd of people surrounding them.

[33:26] And then also school certified markets and swap mates.

[33:29] Those are things that are allowed under state law.

[33:32] to be able to keep this distance away from those certified

[33:36] farmers markets and permitted swap meets as well as school yards.

[33:41] Next slide please. Additional amendments that we have, and again, some of these are just minor modifications to clarify some issues.

[33:51] Some of these are already within the code, but one would of course be liability insurance requirements.

[33:56] We are seeking to have the realities when someone comes in and gets a sidewalk vending permit.

[34:05] What they're really doing is they are encroaching on the city sidewalk.

[34:08] And so this city, like every other city, and again, the city attorney is correct.

[34:13] I represent approximately 50 cities throughout the state of California.

[34:16] And each of the ones where we do this, the city requires liability insurance

[34:20] insurance because there could be an injury that results from the sidewalk vending operation

[34:25] that's being performed on the city sidewalk.

[34:28] And so, the requirement that we have would be to remain consistent with the current code

[34:33] requirements, and that would be to require liability insurance in an amount that is similar

[34:38] to other persons who encroach onto our city sidewalks.

[34:41] And for the exact same reasons.

[34:44] Next, please.

[34:45] Health requirements.

[34:46] So some of the amendments that we are proposing here is, again, health requirements to ensure that the public health and safety is being maintained and also to ensure that we are in compliance with SB 972, which is the new Senate bill that was passed last year.

[35:00] Here, easing some of the restrictions that were applicable to vendors of food. And some of those include the following. Next slide, please. One would be, of course, requiring a health permit, unless the person exempted by SB 972 or the local health code. So under SB 972, there are some smaller operations of non-potentially hazardous food items that are pre-packaged things like bottles of water,

[35:30] and other, you know, bags of chips, things of that nature, that someone with a small enough

[35:35] operation would be exempt from a health permit. They would also be exempt from a health permit

[35:39] under the proposed modifications that we are proposing to the city.

[35:44] Number two is we are requiring a maintenance plan, and that would be that a person who's

[35:48] applying for a sidewalk vending operation would have to provide the city with a maintenance plan.

[35:54] The demonstrates how they're going to ensure their equipment and utensils are sanitized,

[35:59] that they dispose of any waste that is the result of that operation, both throughout

[36:05] the day as well as at the end of the day when they close up for the night.

[36:09] There would also be a requirement that they have fire extinguishers on board on the cart

[36:14] if they're preparing food with a grillist over some other type of open flame.

[36:19] So again, this is a health requirement.

[36:21] The next would be limitations on the cart size.

[36:26] And again, the purpose behind imposing limitations on the cart size is to ensure that we continue to have accessible routes of travel along our sidewalks.

[36:36] Next slide please.

[36:38] So the vending cart, the proposal is for 72 inches in length, 48 inches in width, and 72 inches in height, and that would include a roof or an awning.

[36:48] And that's very consistent with what we have currently.

[36:51] Additionally, any type of shade structure would have to be attached to the cart itself.

[36:57] So they wouldn't be allowed to put additional shade structure on the sidewalk.

[37:01] It has to be attached to the card itself and again the purpose behind this is to ensure that we have our accessible routes of travel.

[37:09] What we're seeing in many instances is although the vending card itself might meet the size requirements.

[37:15] We then end up with multiple canopies which end up blocking additional portions of the sidewalk and making it difficult if not impossible in many instances for pedestrians to be able to utilize those portions of the sidewalk.

[37:28] and end up either needing to walk into the street,

[37:33] the roadway portion, or on to private property

[37:35] to get around the vending activities.

[37:38] So the proposal is to ensure that shade structures

[37:42] are actually attached to the vending cart

[37:43] and that they don't exceed the overall size

[37:46] that's allowed for the vending cart.

[37:48] Next slide, please.

[37:50] Additionally, and this is not a modification,

[37:52] this is already currently in our code,

[37:54] but there would be the ability for the city to remove

[37:57] food, sidewalk vending operation, equipment, merchandise, or food, if there are imminent health

[38:05] and safety hazards, or if there are otherwise blocking those accessible paths of travel.

[38:11] But those impoundment or removal would be pursuant to additional regulations which would be adopted

[38:16] at a later date.

[38:18] And again, this is authority that's already currently in our municipal code.

[38:22] So, this is not so much a modification, just more a restatement of what is already contained

[38:28] within the code.

[38:29] Next slide, please.

[38:31] There would be some additional city park limitations.

[38:34] So, sidewalk vending under SB 946 does include the ability for sidewalk venders to operate within

[38:40] our city parks.

[38:42] The state has allowed some limited regulations on these.

[38:46] And so, the regulations that we are proposing, next slide, please, would be no sidewalk

[38:52] vending within 100 feet of a city part for where that the city actually has a signed agreement

[38:57] for exclusive sale of concessions that would be merchandise to our food. And this is something

[39:01] that is explicitly authorized under SB 946. Right now that would include Southgate Park and

[39:07] Holiday Regional Park. Those are parks within the city that we have exclusive agreements with for

[39:13] the sale of concessions. So sidewalk, so stationary sidewalk vending would be prohibited within those

[39:19] particular parks and a hundred feet of those parks. Additionally, there would be no sidewalk

[39:25] vending within 100 feet of sports courts while they're being used or playgrounds or restrooms

[39:32] or other concession areas. So again, it's just a distance requirement to ensure that those particular

[39:38] components of our recreational facilities, the sports fields and courts, the playgrounds,

[39:44] restroom areas and concessions areas are not bombarded by additional vendors, again, which could inhibit the use of those particular recreational components of our parks.

[39:56] They would also be required to operate

[40:00] On those areas, so vendors of food would be limited to the areas where the park is already designated for cooking or barbecuing. And additionally, the sidewalk vendors would be required to operate only on the paved portions of the park. And again, the reason for that is their sidewalk vendor. So they're meant to be operating on the sidewalks or paved portions of the park. And again, our modification of this is really just a clarification to ensure that sidewalk vendors understand that by law,

[40:29] both SB 946 as well as the local that it's intended for them to be operating on paved portions

[40:36] that is the sidewalk and or other walkways within the park and they would still obviously

[40:42] have to maintain accessible paths of travel.

[40:47] Next slide please.

[40:49] This is just a little matrix of what some of the other municipalities are doing and as you

[40:55] I can tell, for example, if you look at some of the cart sizes, the city of Southgate

[40:59] is actually allowing a little bit larger of cart size than other local jurisdictions.

[41:06] And there's even some distance requirements that are much larger or wider in other jurisdictions.

[41:13] And our goal is to find a balance between allowing sidewalk vending activities to become, as the

[41:22] state has said a vibrant part of our community, while also ensuring the health safety and welfare

[41:28] of, again, not only are sidewalk vendors, but also their patrons, other pedestrians who are

[41:33] utilizing the sidewalk and a vehicular traffic. Next slide please. Just to give you a brief summary

[41:40] of what we've talked about, again, we are proposing modification to the entire regulatory framework

[41:46] for sidewalk vendors. And the purpose behind that is to ensure that our code, which again was

[41:52] adopted back in 2018, remains in compliance with, as state law changes, we change, right? So

[41:59] whereby we want to remain in compliance with SB 946, we also want to remain in compliance with the

[42:05] new SB 972. And so some of the modifications that we've talked about address those. Next slide, please.

[42:12] Again, sidewalk vending cannot be prohibited within our city.

[42:17] We cannot prohibit it.

[42:18] I know there are many jurisdictions throughout the state of California that used to previously

[42:25] have a blanket prohibitions on sidewalk vending or made it very difficult, but SB 946

[42:30] is said.

[42:30] We cannot prohibit it.

[42:32] So, our code is designed not to prohibit it, but we are allowed to impose appropriate

[42:36] time-places and manner regulations that are directly related to addressing the health

[42:41] safety and welfare concerns that result from sidewalk vending activities. And again,

[42:45] as I indicated, many of those things include obstructions of our pedestrian pathways,

[42:52] especially accessible paths of travel, but also ensuring the safety as I indicated for

[42:58] the pedestrians who may not need the accessible paths, but just regular portions of the sidewalk

[43:03] to avoid them from walking into roadways and the light, or to avoid sidewalk vending operations and the queue of patrons from obstructing doorways to businesses, or obstructing driveways, obstructing usage of fire hydrants or blocking traffic control devices, things of that nature.

[43:24] And next slide, that's the end of my presentation.

[43:27] Everything that we're proposing to you, and many of which is addressing the agenda member

[43:33] or the staff report and obviously spelled out in the proposed ordinance, again, is designed

[43:38] specifically to address health safety and welfare concerns.

[43:41] And to remove some of those portions of our ordinance, which were a little bit more restrictive,

[43:49] For example, those blanket prohibited areas, which we're proposing on removing from the code and with that obviously I am available for any questions that the council may have.

[44:05] All right, so excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, we're going to, we're going to go into a public comment now.

[44:15] and we're going to allow everyone's voice and opinion to be heard. Your comments are intended to be directed to the public, excuse me, to the city council and they're supposed to be directed on this topic.

[44:30] You'll have three minutes. The council will take your comments. If you have questions, those questions will not be addressed while you're at the podium.

[44:40] They'll take will take note of those and the council will address them as a group at the end. Thank you very much Madam Mayor

[44:48] Thank you mr. City Attorney

[44:50] James. Thank you so much for the presentation greatly appreciated so at this time

[44:56] To public comment that is here in council chambers

[45:12] All right. So, Jailer total decided to go to war with street vendors. Street vendors, y'all also known as a struggling class. So, let me tell y'all what Jill is. Jill is a product of the white man. Back in the day, the white man made people of color hate themselves so much because of white man considered himself to be superior. He made themselves, he made them hate themselves so much that some of them even began hating their own people. He made them hate themselves so much that some of them even turned against their own people.

[45:38] And that's what Jill is for you a man who hated themselves so much that he even began to hate his own people

[45:42] Your mind has been calling nice Jill and I'm here to tell you Jill you are a criminal the street vendors are not criminals

[45:48] Jill you are you are a criminal Jill because you are a big-time capitalist who loves to exploit the youth you don't pay rent for the parks yet

[45:55] You don't pay rent for the parks here you charge the children money to be able to play sports

[46:00] You are a criminal Jill because displacing the vendors was not enough for you

[46:03] You are a criminal because you are trying to force the street vendors and their families into homelessness

[46:07] while your pockets continue to grow with money.

[46:10] You, Jill are a criminal because you want to profit off

[46:12] every single thing you can

[46:13] and are willing to fuck over the street vendors for money

[46:15] that is considered pocket change to you, Jill.

[46:18] Because that's why you took the vendors out of the park, right?

[46:21] Because you saw them as competition.

[46:22] See, the reality in this system is that when you are born

[46:25] into poverty, you are destined to be a poor person.

[46:28] The vendors need a job, their families need to be fed,

[46:31] their children need an education.

[46:33] And while many of us are one paycheck away from being homeless,

[46:35] The vendors are a few at Lotus, but let us flowers and rasp others away from being homeless. So let me make this clear to you, Jill.

[46:43] Stream ending is a struggle. It's not a privilege. And when you're doing to this people, it ain't gonna be condoned.

[46:49] So let this be clear. When one decides to target the struggling class, there's gonna be no peace. No peace jail, no peace whatsoever. We will not be displaced again. Let that be clear.

[46:59] not on the land that belongs to the people, decolonize your minds y'all, all of you, do not be a product of the white man like Jill.

[47:06] Not even the police will be able to displace the street vendors because the communities will come together and we will make sure of it.

[47:12] Communities Jill will come together, not just this community, but the other communities.

[47:17] And being up here just gave me a new idea, what about we take the fucking parts away from you Jill?

[47:22] We'll take the fucking parts away from you Jill and we'll reinvest them. We'll reinvest them into the community.

[47:28] Another pass and another pass. Decolonize your mind. Big it. I love you. Decolonize your damn minds.

[47:35] Oh yeah. Let's go, Ryan. Let's march Ryan. Thank you.

[47:41] Shout out to the youth. Come to the cutting hate. We don't charge kids to play sports.

[47:45] Shout out to the cutting hate youth foundation. When you say you give business permits

[47:49] But you don't mention that in order to qualify for a business permit, you need a qualified to the impossible DPH requirements and DPH according to their director lease of free as they do not give permits to taco stance.

[48:01] So I don't know why you had that picture up there or taco stance because they don't give them out at all whatsoever.

[48:05] And for example, if you're in the lotero, you need to have a commissary or an industrial kitchen.

[48:10] Recently, a commissary that houses more than 300 vendors just are asserting down now, which is Las Palmas.

[48:15] Palmas. So there's a limit of commentary. So keep that in mind when you want to pursue your

[48:20] bureaucracy. For example, Riverside County and the whole state of Arizona has Miko implemented.

[48:26] Do you know what Miko is? The micro enterprise home kitchen where vendors can use their home kitchen

[48:30] because you're trusting them to feel their children. They're using that kitchen to be able to get it

[48:34] I'm inspected by the Department of Public Health. We don't have that here in LA County. The California

[48:39] retail food code says that you have no jurisdiction under the California Constitution. You're supposed

[48:43] to pass laws that are a benefit to the public, not to benefit one man that doesn't want competition.

[48:49] Most of all, you're trying to pass. You already contracted that job to the pH in your ordinance

[48:53] description of the exact food and mobile card to be used. Yeah, everything related to the serving

[48:58] of food falls under the CA retail food code because it involves public health. The retail food code,

[49:03] which is a CRFC, explicitly states that enforcement officers as defined in CRFC 1137 74 are the only

[49:10] agents from the state that can enforce the CRFC. All state regulations pertaining to public

[49:16] health must be enforced by an enforcement officer and not by another city, county, or state

[49:20] agent, city, county, or state agent. Bathroom regulations are not enforced by police officers.

[49:26] There is no state regulation that even a truck should have a bathroom letter.

[49:30] In your ordinance, it says roaming vendors must move continuously except when necessary to

[49:34] complete a sale and cannot come back to the same residential street. California courts have found

[49:39] arbitrary time limit restrictions like the ones proposed here to be invalid.

[49:43] Please check Barahas versus City of Anaheim or Vasquez versus City of San Ana.

[49:47] We have lawyers that would be happy to come and take your money.

[49:50] We don't mind.

[49:51] SoCalMobile Food Vendors Association sued 13 cities and won every single one

[49:55] for trying to pass something seven years trying to pass.

[49:57] Monroe, you're paid 250.

[50:00] $1,000 to their own law firm, and they had to pay $90,000 to the other side for trying to pass a similar ordinance. Violation, when you said, violations may result in a $1,000 fine revocation of the permit and confiscation and palming of three vendor cards, you can, first of all, you cannot confiscate equipment under SB946. And look, investing and three vendors is money you'll see again since it circulates our economy. You're worried about taxes, the profits that Walmart, Netflix, and Amazon get and tax cuts by paying zero federal taxes get thrown into offshore accounts.

[50:29] One mark has took the way 76 billion in assets to a network of undisclosed subsidies and 15 tax key havens

[50:35] Creating more inflation and spiking our national debt

[50:54] Hi guys good afternoon my name is Joseph Monanum and just one thing I want to get out of the way is

[50:59] street vendors, they're part of this community, for a matter of fact, they're part of this family.

[51:03] I know they are the backbones of our community and the backbones of my childhood, and that's

[51:09] for the case for most of us, if not all of us here. So why would we want to take that away from us?

[51:14] You know, like these ordinances, they are putting a massive restriction on the street vendors.

[51:21] And I get it, we're looking out for the health and safety of us, my kids and my little brothers,

[51:25] I get that but I find the hypocrisy we're trying to find the safety for the health when we have McDonald's

[51:33] We have Taco Bell. We have a bunch of fast food corporations every two blocks from hospitals

[51:39] We have them from gyms. We have them from we have them from schools. That's the major hypocrisy we have

[51:45] And listen, I would rather put my money in back into my community than into the capitalism

[51:53] That's what I would rather do.

[51:59] Look, I'm new to this all-adopting.

[52:01] I'm 18, I'm going on 19, so I'm new to this.

[52:04] And I get it.

[52:06] And I know what it, I finally know what it is trying

[52:09] and work for something that you have

[52:11] and something that you're proud to have.

[52:14] These businesses, because at the end of the day,

[52:16] like you guys were saying, these are businesses.

[52:19] This is their livelihood.

[52:21] The American Dream has always been to fight for what you have

[52:24] to declare yourself in the ground up and build something about yourself, not only for yourself,

[52:29] but for your family. And this is what they're doing. They're proud people for what they're doing.

[52:35] They're proud because they're representing themselves. Not only the sacrifices they have,

[52:40] but the sacrifices that they passed generation time. I know my, I know my slogan,

[52:46] I've been the Lord. Me, him and my brother, they're like this, whenever, whenever he's at home,

[52:51] He always asks for him, they're basically, when I say they're family, I mean it, they're family.

[52:57] So when an attack on street vendors is an attack on all of us.

[53:13] Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, we have somebody speaking right now, please let the speaker finish.

[53:28] please let these speaker finish excuse me

[53:41] again we want to hear from everyone in a

[53:45] respectful manner thank you Joseph Madam Mayor Madam Mayor can we please refrain

[53:53] go ahead Joseph thank you listen if we really want to help our community instead of

[54:00] taxing them instead of hurting their business even more than maybe we can we have

[54:05] progress to help them get these funds better to help they get to help they get

[54:09] these licenses better because it's hard for somebody who doesn't know how to

[54:14] maneuver this this whole field it's hard especially it isn't your first

[54:20] language it's hard it's really hard like I recently I got one of my license to cook

[54:27] And if it wasn't for the help of my mom and if it wasn't for the help of my job, I wouldn't even know where to begin.

[54:33] So maybe let's start focusing back on helping our community instead of damaging even more. Thank you for your time.

[54:39] Thank you.

[54:43] Next speaker.

[54:50] Good evening council members.

[54:51] Here, um, actually embarrassed at the Southeast communities today. Um, we are working.

[55:00] For community and the fact that you guys are targeting our people, that is messed up.

[55:06] Eldrilles, I just heard that you are one of the original bell activists. As an activist, we become voices for the people that cannot speak for themselves.

[55:16] And you guys are, you guys are trying to pass an ordinance targeting the most vulnerable. Guilurtado, I agree with what he said. You want to go after street vendors, give up your contract for the parks.

[55:27] and leave that open for our street vendors.

[55:31] To the rest of the council, on the fact that you guys approved for Gilurthado to get

[55:38] that contract, that's a conflict of interest.

[55:41] I'm surprised you guys have let us go on long enough.

[55:45] Southeast LA has been known for all the corruption that's happened in these cities and what you guys are doing,

[55:50] instead of setting an example for the youth, you guys should be embarrassed.

[55:55] Joseph Moreno, I have known him since Kare, that he has more integrity than all of you guys put

[56:01] together. So again, the other thing too, why was there a special meeting called to attack

[56:08] street vendors when you guys have a regular meeting for tomorrow? Are you guys wasting

[56:13] city resources to target these vendors, to target the most vulnerable from our communities?

[56:18] these thing on webels, and you know what?

[56:21] Be the voice for the vulnerable.

[56:23] Thank you.

[56:28] Thank you.

[56:29] Okay.

[56:32] I'd like to apologize for all the screaming and yelling.

[56:35] But if you'd like to know if you'd like to know what it was about.

[56:41] Again, I left my phone in the bathroom.

[56:44] And one of these three beautiful people here found it.

[56:49] And decided that the best thing to do would be to keep it.

[57:03] Okay, again, listen, I would just again ask the public.

[57:09] I just asked the public to please listen, we have a city council to we have a city council meeting to run.

[57:19] We have a city council meeting erupt okay can we please refrain we gave it we

[57:27] gave it everybody an opportunity to speak no go ahead go ahead if

[57:40] you would

[57:40] no Paulina no oh dress your finances you can't go to the council director to

[57:46] the council.

[57:52] Excuse me. Please refrain. Go ahead. Thank you. Okay, council. The reason I'm wearing a

[57:59] face mask is because my mother is dying of cancer, and I do not want to hasten it by making her sick.

[58:09] And just from the comments around here, we can see who the audience is filled with.

[58:14] As we all know, not one of you up there has more power than the other.

[58:21] Changing this ordinance to align with the state law, SB 946 and SB 972 was necessary

[58:30] and done by a vote of all five of you collectively.

[58:36] It is not the whim of anyone person.

[58:39] 9-4-6 speaks about decriminalization. The decriminalization definition is ceasing to treat something

[58:51] as illegal or as a criminal offense. Criminalization does not mean it's a free for all. Decriminalization

[58:59] does not make vendors immune to administrative fines or citations. And neither

[59:07] 946 or 972 says vendors don't have to follow state, county, or city laws.

[59:16] Nor does it give vendors the right to operate without the proper state, county, and city permits.

[59:22] I hope people leave this meeting realizing Southgate is not against vendors and so many are saying on social media, Southgate is only updating an ordinance to allow with the state.

[59:50] We're saying that Latinos are against Latinos, is that what you are saying?

[59:56] No, you're saying Southgate.

[1:00:02] And if everybody could please just give everybody their time to speak. Everybody, so

[1:00:21] if everybody could please just let everybody give their three minutes to speak. And then we will.

[1:00:34] This idea that Latinos are turning on Latinos.

[1:00:40] as ridiculous.

[1:00:46] They're turning against their own. This is a state,

[1:00:53] because people are saying,

[1:01:09] next speaker. Next speaker, please.

[1:01:17] Next, you're about to die though, you owe me a

[1:01:34] Thank you very much for having this meeting. I didn't realize this was such a contentious thing. First of all, I'd like to thank the city manager.

[1:01:46] I put out some problems on it. How long ago and he was able to take care of it for me or for us a couple of weeks ago. I just want to thank you for that.

[1:01:56] and this is a very contentious thing, obviously.

[1:02:02] And I do think that the private businesses

[1:02:06] that have paid their taxes and all sorts of taxes

[1:02:11] you have to give them consideration too.

[1:02:18] And thus say, I'm not going to stand here and grab them.

[1:02:23] Anyway, thank you very much.

[1:02:24] Thank you.

[1:02:38] I just want to thank all of you for coming out today, all the auditors, the people for the community activists, everything.

[1:02:46] Do you know why we're all here tonight?

[1:02:48] We're here because of Gilhurtado, the only person that was talking in this city about this ordinance, nobody up here, nobody in this, anywhere in here was talking about it.

[1:02:58] So as I was thinking about it, it kind of feels like 1935, like we're in Nuremberg and

[1:03:06] Nazi Germany, while they were putting the race laws in effect.

[1:03:09] And here's why I say that.

[1:03:11] The similarities are, right now, you are trying to reclassify a race of people by changing

[1:03:17] them from street vendors to sidewalk vendors, classic what they did to the Jews in Nuremberg.

[1:03:23] you're also making rules and regulations that separate them from others. Same thing they did in Normburg.

[1:03:30] You're also making it very, they're very existence a crime. Maybe not by arresting them,

[1:03:35] but you're going to find the hell out of them as per what this whoever was on the phone driving clown.

[1:03:44] This is nothing but this is nothing more than economic racism. This is an attack on the Indigenous

[1:03:50] his population with you trying to make it impossible for them to feed their children,

[1:03:56] their families, and have a roof over their head.

[1:04:00] You want a finger point like you're

[1:04:04] saying to fingerprint them, Gil, right? You said to your Jay's fingerprint it. Did that

[1:04:11] stop you? And some of your people from taking pictures of little girls and distribute them?

[1:04:17] You can deny it when it's your turn because you know I'm not lying and I didn't call you a pervert okay nobody I didn't call you a pedophile other people are but you did that didn't you yeah look at me look at me outside by ourselves the same thing fucking coward you

[1:04:40] also talked about conflict of interest and yes you're right mr. Studio turning conflict of interest there's no property on but yet Jules organization has a financial interest in

[1:04:52] in the contract that he has with this ordinance.

[1:04:55] Also by his own admission, he gets paid from the GA.

[1:05:00] How is that not a conflict of interest? Also, Gil, do you want to talk about the gifts also? Oh, you don't think I didn't know about that? The same people you talk to don't like you. How do you think I know all this stuff? You're an idiot. You're coward. That's why I always look down on I walk in front of you.

[1:05:18] Who's going to enforce these regulations? The police department, right? So now we're going to be known for having taco police. Is that what you want our city to be known for? You know, there's

[1:05:31] Lawyers ready for you to pass this tonight. It's gonna cost us more money than your measure CC did

[1:05:37] When you fail to pass it

[1:05:40] To benefit yourself

[1:05:42] This ordinance only benefits Gil-Her-Taro

[1:05:45] It's keeping money in his pocket and he's willing to screw over every vendor lie and cheat as much as he can just to get his way

[1:05:52] Thank you, Mr. Montaglan next time. And if you think you're gonna bring the healthy apartment and have our police department follow them

[1:05:58] to just wait. You think this is nothing right now, bro?

[1:06:04] Thank you, next speaker.

[1:06:09] Oh, how you doing today?

[1:06:13] I'm going to start off by saying that, Maria, you make about $35,000

[1:06:18] a year. I'm going to start off by saying, Gil, you make about $32,000 a year. I'm going

[1:06:23] to start off by saying the mayor, you make about $37,000 a year, too. And I hope you, I know

[1:06:29] You guys don't want this attention. It just surprises to me that I see a bunch of Latinos over there on top of the podium.

[1:06:37] And you guys can hear this bullshit on top of the thing saying that we're going to find our sugar industry thousand dollars.

[1:06:42] Unfortunately, you guys don't understand what that ticket's going to do to the people.

[1:06:46] This clown has Laura that was just jumping on the mic saying that, oh, it's not going to affect them.

[1:06:50] Because that food don't have Mexican roots, bro.

[1:06:53] That food don't apply for an application to get the citizenship.

[1:06:56] They don't. Latinos do. They spend it. Do all day. And what

[1:07:01] happened when they give them a ticket without doesn't even know

[1:07:04] because he's about to die, bro. He's old as hell. He's wise

[1:07:06] about today because she got she about to die too. So they don't

[1:07:09] understand that they trying to bring problems to your city. And

[1:07:12] trust me, I don't think the cause want that attention because

[1:07:16] they call me South Central audit. I make clowns like that

[1:07:19] famous. And I'm pretty sure none of you clowns. I'm not talking

[1:07:22] to all you clowns. You guys don't want to be famous neither.

[1:07:26] because Mr. Ritado, remember something man, 17 freeway, you live right by it, right by it.

[1:07:35] So don't be surprised about the people, don't be surprised, you're on because I'm going

[1:07:41] to make sure you'll be known as the biggest your own in Southgate, since you want to mess

[1:07:45] with the community, you want to mess with our street vendors, you want to divide the community,

[1:07:49] I'm going to let it be known, take a real good look at my face, it's not the first time

[1:07:53] you're gonna see me or the last time. Got it? I hope I see you when you're driving in

[1:07:58] and out. I hope I see you. I hope I see you, Rob. You're not gonna like it. I hope you

[1:08:04] make the right decision. I hope you make, I hope all you guys are here. Make the right decision

[1:08:09] with the sorry ass orders you guys trying to implement in the city. Do you want an activist?

[1:08:15] For the people and you want to sit up there and I do nothing about it, Rob? You better think about

[1:08:21] about it. Mr. Reels, think about it. I think that you should make a right decision. You guys

[1:08:26] caught his meeting, bro, for a reason. Why? Because this boy got to get some money. This

[1:08:30] boy want to get some money right there. He want to pay his tender poor home where he lives

[1:08:33] at. You know what I mean? That's what he wants to do. And at the park where the kids play

[1:08:38] at. I'm going to bail out visit to the park. And I'm going to film everybody over there

[1:08:43] and see what kind of legal shit you guys are doing. And you guys talking about the kitchen

[1:08:47] and shit at the park. Why would he use a kitchen for a street vendor so they could cook their

[1:08:50] food there. This is a street part. This is a public part. No, huh. You want to pick and choose

[1:08:56] who you want to cook in that part, huh? How much to give? Is that your part? Which pay for it?

[1:09:02] Nothing, huh? Stay tuned, man. This is not going to be the first time. It's not going to be the last

[1:09:08] time. And I know you guys are buddies. So stay very real where I know everything. You see these little

[1:09:13] notes I got right here? It's all regarded on you guys. Think about it. Thank you.

[1:09:19] next speaker next

[1:09:25] speaker.

[1:09:29] Okay, my name is Jesus Bruce. I live in Syria,

[1:09:32] South Guy for 50 years and I think so. The city have to have some control. I

[1:09:37] completely agree. The all is tremendous cut to cut permit. And it's for the

[1:09:44] safe or the citizen of South Guy. If somebody gets sick by in the food or

[1:09:51] something who's gonna you complain I gonna tell you one thing one day

[1:10:00] I went to the house, or the people they sell in tamales in the city, and I went to the house. They

[1:10:07] cook in the tamales in the garage, and you will see how dirty everything was. The city has to have some control.

[1:10:20] I'm sorry and it's nothing excuse me excuse me let him speak everybody every see every

[1:10:28] a three-banded they could pay the fee and the city could have control of them for care

[1:10:36] or the city is it or so gay thank you thank you next speaker please next speaker seeing

[1:10:50] I'm closing the audience portion.

[1:10:55] Again, can we please refrain from the economy gentlemen?

[1:10:59] All right, everybody. First time here, I'm a public school teacher. I've been living in South

[1:11:04] Africa for the past 27 years. And so I've been very interested to see where the council's going.

[1:11:11] I thought I was very disrespectful earlier when the attorney was probably making $500 an hour

[1:11:17] on the phone. I thought that there was really disrespectful. I don't know why he wasn't here

[1:11:22] in person. There was non-appropriate time for questions. There was not enough questions

[1:11:26] that were being asked, and I think that needs to be more apparent. Also, that's a lot

[1:11:32] of money that we're spending for that attorney. Next thing, I think there's a lot of like

[1:11:37] pretense for the decision that you're trying to make. There's a lot of like hitting language

[1:11:43] that you think the public doesn't see, but the public is seeing it, and that's why you have

[1:11:48] the response that you have right now. There has been in that presentation there was nothing about

[1:11:53] any support, transition, resources for anything with street vendors. It was a punitive action

[1:12:00] the whole entire time. And that is very, very, very sad in my opinion. I have students who work

[1:12:09] as street vendors. Their job and their responsibility isn't to be rich or wealthy. It's literally

[1:12:16] just to support their families. So my question to the council members are there was a $500 per hour

[1:12:24] presentation that was given but there was no examples of support for street vendors. So we could see

[1:12:32] everything that's happening. We're not dumb. We have smart people here. So I think the city needs to

[1:12:39] be more responsible in determining how they want to do this. But I think that everybody here can

[1:12:46] see what's on the wall and it's that we want to just change street vendors, make it impossible,

[1:12:51] make it very difficult so that we can be a different city or whatever. But that's not us.

[1:12:58] You know, we're Southgate. We have hardworking people here every single day and I think that's

[1:13:02] what the City Council needs to remember. Thank you.

[1:13:10] Next speaker.

[1:13:14] Well, I will speak Spanish because I really prefer it, and I think it is very important

[1:13:20] to me after I saw all the countries.

[1:13:23] Let me just interrupt you.

[1:13:25] We have a Spanish translator here.

[1:13:28] But I want to speak Spanish.

[1:13:32] We will love to speak Spanish.

[1:13:35] Yes, we will love speaking Spanish.

[1:13:38] We also have to record this in English.

[1:13:40] So just bear with me, what we're going to do is just ask you and allow us to translate it.

[1:13:49] If I'm translated to English, I need to be able to hear you say and to hear positive.

[1:13:55] 95% of the people in this area are in Spanish.

[1:13:58] You're a racist for doing that.

[1:14:00] You should be ready for the system.

[1:14:07] We know that there are many people in the Zoom, that nothing else speaks Spanish.

[1:14:11] a lot of people who asked me to

[1:14:14] speak Spanish. Therefore, why are

[1:14:16] we allowing them to speak Spanish?

[1:14:20] They have been

[1:14:21] more than easy for people to

[1:14:22] make for people to be affected.

[1:14:29] Forgive me because I'm

[1:14:34] Ya la señora.

[1:14:39] Exacto.

[1:14:39] I've been talking in Spanish.

[1:14:41] Que concerto en Aberallista?

[1:14:45] I just want to share the English recording.

[1:14:49] If possible.

[1:14:50] Los todos aquí.

[1:14:51] En el cuarto, not everybody here in

[1:14:53] the room can also speak Spanish.

[1:14:55] Not everyone.

[1:14:55] not everybody on Zoom.

[1:14:57] How is that possible?

[1:15:16] I'm trying to do that.

[1:15:20] I'm trying to be translated into English for it to be a record. I am trying. So if you give me a pause, I can translate for English. Thank you. Okay.

[1:15:29] Okay.

[1:15:30] Okay.

[1:15:33] Well, thanks.

[1:15:36] Ah, well, ah, I repeat.

[1:15:37] I'll see you in the in the profile.

[1:15:40] The senior, uh,

[1:15:42] I know it is that in the profile of guilt.

[1:15:44] I know it is that in the profile of guilt.

[1:15:45] I told him to tell you that in Spanish.

[1:15:48] He said it's big Spanish, but I understand why he is doing now something that is attacking

[1:16:00] Spanish speakers.

[1:16:06] We all know those of us that have lived here for a long time.

[1:16:09] Las personas más afectadas por esta ordenanza que es resista son las personas

[1:16:14] que han afectado por esta ordenanza que son las personas más afectadas por como dijo el

[1:16:22] joven a el sistema capitalista

[1:16:25] and they're the most affected because as the young man before me said it's

[1:16:29] capitalism y hubo una persona que dijo que o ahora es latino contra latino y quisiera

[1:16:35] They were someone else that said, now is a Latino against Latino, but it is not what is happening is Latinos like

[1:16:47] Guilertado, they are trying to do their best, it's very essential that all the people

[1:17:03] It is essential that everyone notices

[1:17:06] that the one with all of these are just a fraud.

[1:17:15] I have a lot of people that are participating via Zoom who are afraid to come in in person.

[1:17:26] And the other thing is that people that are participating via Zoom who are afraid to come in in person.

[1:17:32] I get those that you want people to come in and apply and put down their name and birthday and all their personal information.

[1:17:42] Even their IRS information.

[1:17:46] This is 100% dirigido a las personas de papas 100% in attack or low income people.

[1:18:00] There's a requirement that is requesting that they have insurance for more than a million

[1:18:05] dollars.

[1:18:09] The attorney didn't even mention that because he must be embarrassed.

[1:18:12] I noticed that he went to other municipalities, but that's because he's mostly more corrupt than all.

[1:18:23] Claro que sí, o sea, todos esto están corruptos, ya bien, 32 mil dólares en serio por celario,

[1:18:28] por planas de opinión, estamos corruptos, al ganar más de 32 mil dólares al año.

[1:18:34] O sea, ya, esto es una, o otra persona dijo a, nos reportó de la historia de Hitler,

[1:18:42] so aquí ustedes están tratando de regular, por donde va la gente,

[1:18:46] You here are trying to direct which way people can walk,

[1:18:51] and what time they can walk.

[1:18:56] That's basically making us more slaves.

[1:19:00] We are all paying for Chevron,

[1:19:03] Al-Ralves, Foufoles,

[1:19:05] Why don't you help us?

[1:19:07] Why don't you help Chevron and all the other places

[1:19:11] why don't you help us with them?

[1:19:13] In, but what you want is to say that, oh, basically,

[1:19:17] you can't go to the people,

[1:19:20] going to the city.

[1:19:23] You're basically saying that these vendors

[1:19:26] cannot go throughout basically the whole city.

[1:19:29] So, I mean, for about 25 pies,

[1:19:32] a lado de un semáforo.

[1:19:33] 25 feet from a light, a street light.

[1:19:36] Hay semáforos por todos lados.

[1:19:38] There's lights everywhere.

[1:19:39] So that's the meaning that basically they can't go anywhere.

[1:19:44] And this is the park that the people can't go anywhere.

[1:19:47] The park they can't sell for more than over a hundred feet.

[1:19:52] And this is very constant that apparently they already have a contract or this or that.

[1:19:57] It's concerning because apparently this councilman has...

[1:20:01] Entonces, efectivamente, todas las personas que están escuchando en Zoom, que hablan español y si votan,

[1:20:06] arque ya no votan a public hearing.

[1:20:13] Y por ninguno de los demás, por favor, ya.

[1:20:22] que no les importa la comunidad, o sea, ni pueden ni tener 500 pies afuera de una escuela,

[1:20:36] pero todos sabemos que las mamás, los niños quieren tomar las fuertes de los

[1:20:45] están robando de nuestro orgullo,

[1:20:49] de nuestro...

[1:20:51] De nuestra historia cultural,

[1:20:55] de nuestra historia que están robando.

[1:20:58] O sea, todos sabemos qué placenteras,

[1:21:01] al parque y el comprado en el lado.

[1:21:05] Pero ustedes no más quieren por que saben esto

[1:21:07] porque ustedes quieren quitar el dinero

[1:21:09] de todos los personas de la salud.

[1:21:11] los recursos.

[1:21:12] En ese momento, lo están haciendo nada para ayudar a otras maneras de control de renta

[1:21:18] y no de nemượng.

[1:21:22] Entonces ¿ustedes realmente son de lo peor con ructos políticos y por eso el pueblo

[1:21:29] va a poner contra todos ustedes ya es esencial y de lo que son malos para el comunidad?

[1:21:34] Yo sos porque se llamaron Camuineri.

[1:21:41] Gracias, señor.

[1:21:42] Gracias, pozas.

[1:21:44] Te lo las buenas tardes.

[1:21:47] Son que es mi comunidad, la comunidad real.

[1:21:50] This is my real community.

[1:21:52] Y quiero hacerle saber que...

[1:21:54] Primarily, es lo que les ha dado.

[1:21:56] Yo quiero dar la oportunidad de ir, lo que nos van a ver aquí.

[1:21:59] Este es el primer de los que hagan.

[1:22:01] Ya es la comunidad ya está,

[1:22:08] la comunidad.

[1:22:09] la comunidad y el pueblo ya está onido, y aquí en adelante las cosas de un

[1:22:18] poquito diferentes, y ese es específicamente para lo que nos estamos

[1:22:23] refiriendo ahorita, que es específicamente muy importante.

[1:22:27] Si estamos hablando de ser accesibles, cuando se trata de nuestra comunidad,

[1:22:33] si te tienes más de la cuantía de forma adaptada para ver que en el coste interactiva podría deboganse.

[1:23:02] No es de tué mejor investigate

[1:23:04] que es obvio que el lenguaje es el lenguaje para conocer nuestra cultura en el punto.

[1:23:12] Defineses de no tener nuestra cultura, pero de una manera puede ser respetar.

[1:23:20] Y es respetar nuestro trabajo en este recorrente.

[1:23:25] Lo que quiero hacerles saber, primero es que esta va a ser una riónón, pero van a seguir la siguiente.

[1:23:32] Si la sociedad no se viene,

[1:23:35] van a seguir en nuestra comunidad

[1:23:38] y nuestras pocasañeras continuan.

[1:23:41] Y si le quieren.

[1:23:42] Porque la gente no quiere.

[1:23:44] Voy a apretar mi tiempo.

[1:23:47] Voy a ver mi tiempo.

[1:23:54] Eso es que ya Speak,

[1:23:56] no debo停ar la atención.

[1:24:00] No debo la creación.

[1:24:04] Me vamos a calabar.

[1:24:04] No sé por mí.

[1:24:08] No debo la creación,

[1:24:17] En otro punto, es cuando referente a la nutrición de nuestra comunidad,

[1:24:22] yo estaba lindiendo a mi sobrino, en regards to nutrition,

[1:24:25] es que no es tan saludable tener referente a que no están saludables

[1:24:40] por ejemplo, ice cream made out of lemon,

[1:24:44] pero a comparación a un helado que sea de McDonald's

[1:24:48] en comparison to when ice cream from McDonald's,

[1:24:51] a donde yo pienso que yo le voy a dar el helado a mis sobrinos,

[1:24:55] a las personas que yo quiero,

[1:24:57] a las personas que yo quiero,

[1:25:02] Viencen a nutrición. Es parte de nuestra cultura. Nosotros, por lo normal, nos interesa. Quizás

[1:25:12] unos piensen que no es nuestra cultura. Pero la verdad es que la nutrición es súper importante

[1:25:20] para nosotros. Pero la verdad es que la nutrición es súper importante para nosotros.

[1:25:29] Pero la

[1:25:30] que mostró que la mayoría de los, o sea, no me da pausa, no le puedo traducir,

[1:25:35] en un estudio reciente que se hizo, en a, en a recent study de West

[1:25:41] Contacting in New York, mostró que la mayoría de los casos,

[1:25:45] de los casos de los casos de intoxicación alimentaria de iring intoxicación

[1:25:57] y de logar,

[1:26:02] por capital,

[1:26:05] por cápera.

[1:26:09] Sí, básicamente lo que estamos dando modo de ser los que ustedes ya saben que la mayoría

[1:26:15] de tiempo que cuando se trata de la nutrición, básicamente lo que voy a decir es que es

[1:26:20] la vendedoria de nuestros vendedores no vienen de nuestros vendedores, de los malestres que nosotros a veces sufrimos, es

[1:26:40] si llegan a las viendas, que no buscan a las jóvenes de la comunidad en ac��ible,

[1:26:46] entonces cuando llegan a las personas a las países de la comunidad y cada vez llegan a las

[1:26:49] personas a laswheelas, llegan a las viendas aquí en el lugar, y que ya viene chifele,

[1:26:50] ya nos da en más diabetic, en la comunidad, déjanos nuestros vendedores,

[1:26:57] los que ellos deberás saben, de que ellos saben cómo cocinar nuestra comida,

[1:27:04] How to cook our food de manera que nosotros,

[1:27:07] en modo de mi, entendemos cómo cuidad los simismá resisten,

[1:27:11] como teencem рассказывando a Tierba.

[1:27:12] Muchas gracias.

[1:27:14] ¡Soneticales!

[1:27:17] Señor amplia.

[1:27:17] -steeker.

[1:27:21] Tu

[1:27:25] tienes que hacerlo aquí? Tú

[1:27:26] voy a escuir aquí, vamos a��, vamos a bes Explorer. Lo

[1:27:32] tenemos por hacer por favor, con metallicos. Y

[1:27:34] aquí tu indemnidad, av��a se zen.

[1:27:39] Winni-Minute Racist.

[1:27:40] Gracias.

[1:27:41] Has Cory Bolsinch.

[1:27:44] El Prada.

[1:27:46] 30.000 por each of you.

[1:27:47] Waste of money.

[1:27:49] Cerro de porca te fue.

[1:27:51] Encerro de porca,

[1:27:53] 70-3 waer, cerro de porca,

[1:27:58] Replacer.

[1:27:59] Cerro de porca.

[1:28:02] Es como, que curre.

[1:28:08] Encerro de porca,

[1:28:48] ¿Por qué no hay no, pero como en la casa de doctor él,

[1:28:51] porque que se desvivo?

[1:28:52] ¿Por qué no que si titha?

[1:28:54] Casi.

[1:28:57] ¿Por qué no, entonces?

[1:29:04] ¿Pero qué no?

[1:29:04] ¿A qué no?

[1:29:05] ¿Por si no?

[1:29:13] ¿Quién?

[1:29:14] ¿Quién?

[1:29:17] ¿Lo hacía?

[1:29:19] ¿Hace a una?

[1:29:19] ¿Encer no es por qué, como ya?

[1:29:22] ¿Quién?

[1:29:25] ¿Quién?

[1:29:28] ¿Por qué no?

[1:29:29] ¿A qué no?

[1:30:05] We're welcome. We're welcome.

[1:30:55] We'll see if we have a last round.

[1:31:01] Yeah.

[1:31:03] Yeah.

[1:31:05] Yeah.

[1:31:06] so, I had

[1:31:18] my first

[1:31:57] meeting

[1:32:13] with the Navy, the Navy, the Navy, the Navy, the Navy, the Navy,

[1:42:51] First undercover, look at them. Just look at them.

[1:43:30] Where you at Jill, where you at Jill, I hope you know we're going to take the parks back the cops can't stop us.

[1:43:37] Nobody's going to stop us. We're going to take back what belongs to the community and to the people of color.

[1:45:17] We're going to take the parks back from you, Jill. The parks are not belong to you. They belong to the community. And we're going to take them back, Jill. We're tired of people with that white, white ideology, come into the communities acting like you guys know what we need in that here complex. You guys cannot ever possibly relate to the people because these are the people that rough and struggles in poverty and they stand on struggles in poverty, because there's no such thing as an American dream. You guys got your undercovers here. You got the old police captain in here.

[1:45:44] really didn't think we was going to find them huh. You really got on the cover

[1:45:48] police and the chief over here too. The captain. You're really going to do that.

[1:45:53] You're really going to make something look like that. All right you man.

[1:45:57] Madam City Clerk are we ready to commence so we can hear from the R Zoom audience.

[1:46:03] 7.

[1:46:07] 716.

[1:46:17] General Manifly, please refer

[1:46:19] so we can hear the audience.

[1:46:21] That's on board.

[1:46:24] Madam City Clerk.

[1:46:26] We have a.

[1:46:28] Gabbie, Named.

[1:46:31] Good

[1:46:34] evening.

[1:46:35] Members of the city council.

[1:46:37] So, and residents of Southgate and those who are watching live.

[1:46:41] First and foremost, I don't agree with your city clerk that you did with the previous

[1:46:46] second speaker that was speaking in Spanish, threatening that you're not going to translate.

[1:46:52] That's a Brown Act violation, just for information.

[1:46:56] Another Brown Act violation is before two Spanish speakers, you should have given at least six

[1:47:01] minutes, which you did, but you did it more later on.

[1:47:03] That's another one, brown act validation.

[1:47:07] Now, continue on to the actual to the presentation from the attorney.

[1:47:15] There's no concrete evidence what he's showing about resources, but it's pretty much targeting

[1:47:22] the street vendors and that term that you're using sidewalk vendors, that's classism.

[1:47:28] If you don't know what it is, Google it, definition.

[1:47:33] Another thing is, you're paralyzing the street vendors for a fine of what, $1,000.

[1:47:39] Just let you know what you're doing is, I love the comment, the person that said that

[1:47:44] the street vendors can afford $1,000, you are sorely mistaken, and you need to get really

[1:47:49] educated on what you're saying, because not all street vendors can afford $1,000.

[1:47:54] because, again, we're in a crisis of, as previous speaker said, one paycheck of being homeless.

[1:48:03] There's vendors out there, street vendors that are out there looking, you know,

[1:48:06] working other jobs to make needs ends, but to penalize them and to criminalize, that's criminalized.

[1:48:13] What you're doing, city council members, if you vote tonight and favor that orderance, please do not,

[1:48:21] And I repeat, the residents of Southgate others call them out and they're bullshit.

[1:48:28] I don't want to see you guys buying tacos, going to Mexico,

[1:48:30] and going to street vendors.

[1:48:33] Okay, just know that.

[1:48:35] You're going against that because I'm pretty sure a lot of you have gone before

[1:48:38] and you guys went to Decoin.

[1:48:40] I'm pretty sure on whatever it is with your vacation.

[1:48:43] And you guys I'm pretty sure 100% you go to that street vendors and that's in the

[1:48:49] So just remember that what you're doing right now, what you're doing right now, if you decide to vote, especially that Gil War, I don't know who you are, but what you're doing the conflict of interest.

[1:49:00] And I'm pretty sure hopefully someone out there will report that to the FBI or to the district attorneys.

[1:49:08] And lastly, lastly, I know my time is up, I got 25 seconds left.

[1:49:13] should you pass that order and you will have attorneys and you will be sued. Just know that and you're going to be held

[1:49:22] a liable out of the taxpayers dollars are going to be paying for that. All right, that's really sickening what you guys get about to think about it.

[1:49:29] Should you vote for that? You will be exposed. Thank you for your time.

[1:49:34] And there ain't no peace.

[1:49:36] Thank you.

[1:49:36] And there ain't no peace because the matter is left.

[1:49:38] Take that part back.

[1:49:39] We're going to take the community back.

[1:49:40] There ain't going to be no peace.

[1:49:41] No peace.

[1:49:43] No peace.

[1:49:44] We have call in user two.

[1:49:46] So I had zero two.

[1:49:53] Yeah, the same.

[1:49:54] Thank you for giving me the opportunity to stick.

[1:49:57] I want to encourage the city council.

[1:50:00] It's space where we can speak. People were doing main calling and harassing us, so we had to make this call. We agree that we need regulations to protect everybody. Many parents from the school sites have complained because we don't have enough regulations to ensure that the children have access to clean vendors and we agree that the city needs to

[1:50:29] follow the steps that are required. We only ask that you give street vendor support

[1:50:36] so that they can have a warning rather than a ticket immediately so that they can have also

[1:50:43] support in the city and they will be able to complete whatever paperwork is necessary.

[1:50:50] So please continue to do the implementation and provide support so that everybody will be able

[1:50:58] to get the paperwork that they need to continue making a living.

[1:51:03] We understand that we need to make a living.

[1:51:05] We are just asking to follow rules so that everybody will be safe.

[1:51:11] Thank you for that.

[1:51:12] And I encourage you to ensure that these council meetings have safe spaces

[1:51:17] where there is no harassment and no name calling.

[1:51:21] Thank you for your time.

[1:51:23] You're doing a great job and I hope that you get the respect of you deserve.

[1:51:27] Thank you.

[1:51:31] Next speaker.

[1:51:34] We have Mr Mario Dominguez.

[1:51:36] Go ahead, Mr Dominguez.

[1:51:39] Okay, so I'm trying to think how does this become such a big issue?

[1:51:43] If you listen to the audio recordings for the April 11th and April 25th city council meetings,

[1:51:49] you have council member Hurtado saying, look, we have no choice.

[1:51:53] We're going to have to fall in line with these two senate bills that passed last year.

[1:51:57] There's no way we're going to be able to dodge this, but there's no way around it.

[1:52:00] We're going to have to comply and adopt these state senate bells into our ordinance.

[1:52:07] Now the council, you need to explain to these folks that are in that room, that that is

[1:52:11] what we're doing.

[1:52:12] We're not doing anything out of the ordinary that any other city in the state of California

[1:52:18] is also doing.

[1:52:20] So that means all the cities like South of the City of Los Angeles, all the East LA communities,

[1:52:24] all the cities to the west of LA, all the cities in Orange County, Anaheim, you name it.

[1:52:29] Every city within the state of California has to adopt and comply with these two Senate

[1:52:36] bills.

[1:52:36] So if the folks in that room have agreements with our city council members, then guess what?

[1:52:42] They're going to have problems with every other city within the state of California.

[1:52:45] You didn't explain that to these people.

[1:52:47] That's what we're doing.

[1:52:48] And why are we doing it?

[1:52:49] Because state law supersedes county law.

[1:52:52] state law supersedes city law and city ordinances.

[1:52:57] You got to communicate that to the folks.

[1:52:59] The other thing I want to ask Chief Arcawa,

[1:53:02] we had that street fair not too long ago,

[1:53:04] where he had vendors paid to participate

[1:53:07] and be a part of the fair,

[1:53:09] and then you had other vendors that came in outside

[1:53:12] and participated, that weren't included,

[1:53:14] didn't pay their share to participate in the fair.

[1:53:17] So I questioned to the chief,

[1:53:18] how did you handle that situation?

[1:53:20] How are those vendors that didn't pay to participate, officially, in the Tweety-Miles

[1:53:27] Street Fair?

[1:53:27] How did you regulate and control that situation with those that paid and those that didn't

[1:53:33] but still wanted to participate?

[1:53:34] I'm just curious if you can lend me to that.

[1:53:37] And again, I want to hit on one of the other speakers mentioned about, there needs to be

[1:53:42] some sort of community liaison person for the works on behalf of the city and is going

[1:53:48] to help these street vendors get the necessary documents or paperwork whatever is necessary

[1:53:54] for them to be up to code and up to speed with how things are going to be done here.

[1:54:00] And the big thing, the big problem I have is with Mr. Mussolini, Robert Montalvo,

[1:54:07] and Thomas Chikenship Buckley, you have these two wild jackals running a muck on social media.

[1:54:12] Yeah. And this is the reason why on social media, you have people threatening to kill

[1:54:19] Gilbert Todd because you have these two fools putting out misinformation and distorting

[1:54:26] what is actually happening and putting out a false message to the people. You, City Hall officials,

[1:54:33] you all have social media accounts. You all need to communicate and do a better job of telling folks

[1:54:40] This is where we stand on this matter, on this particular topic, and so on and so forth.

[1:54:45] Thank you very much.

[1:54:50] Yep,

[1:54:54] next caller.

[1:54:55] We have caller TMA.

[1:55:02] Caller, TMA? Yes, hi. I'm president of 3-month association, and we serve the 2-month merchants

[1:55:11] to make this boulevard very attractive and inviting for the customers to come in and shop

[1:55:17] here, help small businesses, mom, pop businesses, and all these businesses are for me for different

[1:55:24] reason whenever they have a problem with the issue with the city or street or other things.

[1:55:29] And right now since this topic is a hot topic about merchants that are struggling, especially

[1:55:36] the merchants, restaurant people who really suffer during the COVID time.

[1:55:41] So they are suffering again because of the competition with the street vendor.

[1:55:46] And they are requesting that there should be fear as they are spending money on licenses

[1:55:54] and stuff.

[1:55:55] They are not against vendors.

[1:55:57] they are just saying everybody should be on the same page. Now we had a big problem at the

[1:56:04] street fair where people who paid a lot of money for licenses, health department licenses,

[1:56:10] and location, and they were complaining that they won't be coming back because these street

[1:56:15] genders are really affecting the business and they're not going to make enough money to come back

[1:56:20] flex time. So this is also a concern. But remember this, this money, whatever money is made from the

[1:56:27] fear, it goes to the boulevard, beautification of boulevard facade renovation of different businesses,

[1:56:34] the window replacement program and things like that. So, but I'm really glad that the council is

[1:56:40] working on this regulation today, because street vendors are also human being, you know, they're just

[1:56:46] like anybody, everybody else have families, they need to take care of their family, they're

[1:56:51] trying to survive in this con. And I request today to please, to the council that please help

[1:56:59] these vendors with state and local laws, by making it easy for them so that they can locally sell

[1:57:05] their products with the backup from license, from state, health department, other jurisdiction,

[1:57:11] So that they can be part of this business community and thrive and can take care of their families.

[1:57:18] I understand that South Getty Council is just trying to follow the state laws,

[1:57:23] but if possible, please make it easy as easy we can for the street vendors.

[1:57:29] And if needed, please increase the staff or liaison or whatever is needed to help these business.

[1:57:36] help the street vendors transition into businesses where they are serving their community and their their constituent.

[1:57:44] With the good oppression that hey, we are doing it by the books. We are with respect to cleaning licensing all kind of stuff.

[1:57:52] So people will come for them and buy more stuff from street vendors.

[1:57:57] So please look at the both side and help wherever they you guys can help these vendors. Thank you.

[1:58:02] Thank you.

[1:58:04] Thank you.

[1:58:05] Next caller.

[1:58:07] We have Becky Espinoza.

[1:58:09] Go ahead, Mrs. Spinoza.

[1:58:16] Go ahead.

[1:58:17] Hello.

[1:58:18] Can you hear me?

[1:58:19] Yes.

[1:58:20] Okay.

[1:58:21] Wonderful.

[1:58:22] So, um,

[1:58:26] respectfully,

[1:58:30] was that presentation from that, uh, Mr. James Becker?

[1:58:35] I believe the same was, um, one because I am obviously not there, but there was no way to

[1:58:44] look at that ordinance proposal on my own. And I want to be able to understand it, not

[1:58:51] be told what it is from someone who has been paid a significant amount of money for that.

[1:59:00] And who's to say that the people on the council are also barely reading this proposal.

[1:59:07] What if they're just hearing it for the first time from this lawyer and granted, you know,

[1:59:14] I don't know much about city politics or how you guys spend your, but the thing is, is that

[1:59:22] if you're going to be proposing something, make it accessible to everyone in every language

[1:59:27] that is spoken in the city.

[1:59:29] So make it in Spanish, make it in Mandarin, Thai, like whatever, make it accessible for us.

[1:59:37] So that way we can further do research, further understand it.

[1:59:42] And granted I understand that we're not the ones that are voting for it, but we're the

[1:59:45] people that are going to be affected by it.

[1:59:47] So we should be able to be able to get our hands on it and not just be told by some lawyer

[1:59:55] who's in his vehicle, and like a...

[2:00:09] And I feel like that is just very disrespectful as as someone who has grown up and lives in

[2:00:26] Southgate because if this is truly for the welfare of the community why are we not able to take a

[2:00:35] look at this, be able to have it in our hands as opposed to just being told by a guy that's being

[2:00:45] paid a significant amount of money and that money is coming from our tax dollars. So I think

[2:00:58] Respectfully, like, you guys seem to do better, and yeah, man, like I don't understand how so many of you guys are so out of touch with the people that live and are trying to thrive in this community.

[2:01:14] But are being pushed down by the different ordinances that you guys are trying to propose and or are like.

[2:01:22] Next slide.

[2:01:24] We have Southgate resident.

[2:01:28] Go ahead.

[2:01:30] Hi, good afternoon.

[2:01:32] I am a resident of the city of Southgate.

[2:01:36] And I wasn't planning on participating,

[2:01:37] but I'll just need to comment on a couple of things.

[2:01:40] I don't want to rehash everything

[2:01:43] that most people have already said.

[2:01:44] I do actually agree with most of the comments

[2:01:49] from some of the participants.

[2:01:51] I agree that this ordinance, the way I read it while in the meeting, is not really intended

[2:01:57] to regulate or even deter street type vending.

[2:02:02] It is the fact to elimination of the opportunity of many of these street vendors to earn an

[2:02:10] honest living.

[2:02:13] The reason I felt compelled to speak is because I feel like the city of Southgate and every

[2:02:20] receiving the county of Los Angeles should do everything in their power at this point

[2:02:26] to alleviate the homeless crisis.

[2:02:30] You might say we can walk and shoot them at the same time, but by removing the opportunity

[2:02:35] of hundreds of people to earn an honest living, people that either live in Southgate or nearby,

[2:02:41] you're removing the opportunity for them to earn an honest living and to pay their mortgage,

[2:02:46] to pay their rent, whatever it is.

[2:02:48] You're creating, you're adding to the problem,

[2:02:52] then solving any problem.

[2:02:54] Yeah, we need to adhere to stay law and all of that.

[2:02:57] I understand that.

[2:02:58] But I think I didn't see a survey

[2:03:03] asking the community what we thought

[2:03:05] or what our opinion was in this ordinance.

[2:03:08] He seems that it's hostile to the community

[2:03:11] and to the street type vendors.

[2:03:13] I think you guys could have taken

[2:03:16] a better approach. The last thing I want to say is that a lot of people cannot afford to go to

[2:03:23] the fancy ice cream places, goldstone, or let me jogana, or other places. People are on a budget.

[2:03:29] There might be a single mom with a couple of kids at home. They don't have a card to go to these

[2:03:33] places and be able to spend 40 bucks. They have 10 bucks. All they can afford is a respawn.

[2:03:38] All right, I love it. Like my mom did when I was a kid. And the last thing I want to say is that

[2:03:44] Mr. Anchor did a pretty good job on his presentation.

[2:03:48] You know, he didn't point out to some of the most words limitations on the ordinance.

[2:03:55] But he should know his audience.

[2:04:01] He should know the Southgate is 90% Hispanic.

[2:04:04] So on his presentation, when he said telling you,

[2:04:07] the council knew that this is a source object, right?

[2:04:12] You knew that the community feels attacked by this ordinance.

[2:04:17] You should have checked his PowerPoint because he's saying,

[2:04:20] oh, this is the things that the, well, I'm going to be caught up in three seconds,

[2:04:26] but he has a picture of Amaga and Trump.

[2:04:32] Yeah, I might have been caught already.

[2:04:35] Next caller.

[2:04:37] We have color in and 175.

[2:04:39] five. Go ahead, one, seven, five.

[2:04:50] Color, one, seven, five, seven, nine,

[2:04:59] way to the people find

[2:05:00] There is police chief.

[2:05:03] Caller 175.

[2:05:07] Oh, sorry. Yes, this is Sheila. And I just like to say a couple of things that, first of all, I don't understand why people are not understanding that this is a state regulation. This is put into place by who you voted into office. This is government added finance, California government added finance.

[2:05:29] And I would like to know why these people that have been so disrespectful don't have

[2:05:37] to talk in public. Use proper language and make threats are allowed to stay in the meeting.

[2:05:46] Oh.

[2:05:48] Shut up. This is for the people right here. Protect the street vendors. You ain't going to stop.

[2:05:52] No, I'm going to stop my time. You had your shot up as women shut up decolonize your mind.

[2:06:04] No, you're the problem. Why would I want to do anything?

[2:06:13] Go ahead, ma'am.

[2:06:15] Madison is over. Go ahead, continue.

[2:06:43] I'd like to know why these people over here being disrespectful again think that I would want to do business with any of them.

[2:06:57] these people, okay, this is my time being quiet, this is my time, this is my time, this

[2:07:14] is my time, be respectful, shut up, that's your third warning,

[2:07:24] over night activists,

[2:07:26] We gave you an opportunity. Please allow her to speak.

[2:07:32] That man needs to be taken out.

[2:07:34] If we could have the speaker's pause

[2:07:36] by the mayor is addressing the audience here, please.

[2:07:41] Yes.

[2:07:42] Thank you.

[2:07:44] We heard what you all have said.

[2:07:47] Can we please show some decorum and respect

[2:07:50] for those that are for those

[2:07:52] Because there ain't no reason to respect that our actual peace. I mean myself clear respect the street vendor the people who make up this community. So met him here. Yes, again under the rules of the quorum that every city has people can be given a initial warning.

[2:08:09] And then after that, if you don't get the decorum that's fired for, then I would suggest

[2:08:19] the council recess.

[2:08:22] And if the council feels or the mayor feels like we can clear the chambers if we don't

[2:08:29] feel like we're going to get the ability for us to continue the city business.

[2:08:33] Now you wait.

[2:08:34] So again, again, I am showing you respect, show this council respect.

[2:08:42] It's the biggest disrespect to the street.

[2:08:43] Again, it's the biggest respect to the street.

[2:08:46] We're speaking about respect, sir.

[2:08:48] Let's be respectful of the process.

[2:08:50] When you target the struggling class, there is no peace.

[2:08:52] I think we're going to go ahead and take a recess.

[2:08:54] So we can clear.

[2:08:55] It's so we'll be clearing the chamber.

[2:08:57] Well, please, thank you.

[2:09:00] Speaker that you're on zoom, go ahead and stay on zoom.

[2:09:03] we will resume after council chambers is cleared. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.

[2:09:10] I have manners. Shut up. Don't keep your thoughts. It's

[2:09:16] fuck you. Where's somebody?

[2:09:21] Stop tone policing. Stop tone policing. People are being displaced

[2:09:25] every day and they don't have money to feed their children. Stop tone policing. The real danger and the

[2:09:46] Come on, police chief. Let the people know how you target black and brown people at five times the rate of white people and let

[2:09:50] them know how you find an illegal substance at white people at a higher rate. Let them know how 40% of domestic violence cases are caused by law enforcement. You fucking fed us.

[2:10:02] Reels, you guys should have done a town hall meeting before calling a special meeting for this. You guys messed up. You got the street vendors. They should have been a town hall meeting. You guys should have had allowed for more community input versus doing a special meeting for tax street vendors.

[2:10:25] This meeting is not going to go anywhere. You guys are wasting city beforts on a special meeting to attack street vendors.

[2:11:01] This agenda should be take hold.

[2:19:10] We're going to be talking

[2:19:19] about the federal government. They're having a lot of studies. They really thought they was going to shut us up. Come on, Giller Tato, where you at, Giller Tato? You ain't going to display some people no more, Giller Tato? We let you know what it is already. You ain't going to display some people, no more.

[2:19:42] killer Tato you

[2:19:48] disconnected my purse my got your second my killer Tato

[2:19:50] next thing you know I'll be up on the fucking podium talking out of your

[2:19:53] my killer Tato

[2:21:23] Aye, SCA, SCA. Ask that lady why is she coming up to talk for a community that is made up

[2:21:29] of people of color? Let us know, lady, why is your white ass here trying to talk on

[2:21:36] a community that is made up of people of color?

[2:21:38] here.

[2:21:41] As long as I have a lens here, dumb fox. Shut up.

[2:21:49] Shut up, lady. White is not right.

[2:22:06] Man, fuck the cops too. Fuck the cops. Fuck the fellow officers.

[2:22:49] Hey, let them know how

[2:22:51] 40% of domestic violence cases are caused by law enforcement. Let them know. Let them

[2:22:57] No,

[2:22:59] ladies and gentlemen, three warnings were given for decorum. We're closing this down. Yeah, shut up.

[2:23:14] Shut up. Attack the street vendors.

[2:23:17] Protect the street vendors.

[2:23:23] Nobody wants to protect dogs.

[2:23:27] man shut the fuck up protect the

[2:23:29] street vendors shut the fuck up protect

[2:23:32] the street vendors I could turn this

[2:23:34] shit back on because I pay taxes

[2:23:35] free now with your attitude dude now

[2:23:38] with your attitude

[2:27:40] Can you, uh, control the mic from the panel?

[2:27:45] That one does. The panel's links to when I think it's supposed

[2:27:51] to close, but

[2:29:08] it's here in the council.

[2:29:12] So, uh, so we'll see what happens. Yeah,

[2:29:20] I saw

[2:29:29] you. Yeah.

[2:33:38] Madam City clerk, we are resuming our special council meeting, passing it over to our city manager. Thank you, Madam Mayor City Council. So as the public may know now, at least three warnings were given to the individuals in the chambers to mind their disruptiveness and stop interrupting speakers and the process at hand.

[2:34:09] Failing to do that, which they actively said that they would not adhere to that directive by the chair or the mayor of the city council.

[2:34:20] The mayor ordered that all the chambers be.

[2:34:25] Everybody in the chambers be removed, which has occurred now.

[2:34:29] and so we can continue. I would suggest that for the Zoom audience, while we have a picture that we indicate anybody that does not indicate by raising their hand now over the next minute,

[2:34:45] we're going to close public participation through Zoom at that point.

[2:34:51] So if you have not raised your hand by then,

[2:34:59] then

[2:35:01] And not spoken already through Zoom. We will ask the mayor to please close the Zoom audience

[2:35:13] as far as new attendees to that process. So we now have a list here of people which we

[2:35:21] have in front of us so we know who's on the Zoom prior to the chambers being cleared.

[2:35:29] So with that, again, I want to stress to the public that may not be here, you know, the

[2:35:42] council has a set of rules of the court and the rules of the court are to allow everyone

[2:35:48] to fairly and freely express their opinion whether it be pro or con against whatever issue

[2:35:55] or topic may be discussed, but the premise of that all relies on us being civil to one another,

[2:36:02] and when individuals decide not to exercise respect and civility towards one another,

[2:36:11] and in essence prevent the city council from carrying out the business of the city,

[2:36:18] then that's when such action as what has occurred here tonight are necessary, and are not,

[2:36:24] Unfortunately, uncommon in a lot of city businesses, council meetings that go forward for that. So I do want to first commend the Southgate Police Department. I think they did, again, another professional job of handling the situation.

[2:36:41] I want to ask that anybody else that's going to be on zoom.

[2:36:46] Please remember the civility of our meeting, and you know, we're here to listen and hear and take your input. And then at the conclusion of that, of course, we're here to answer any questions that the council may have about the business item in front of them tonight from that.

[2:37:07] So with that Madam Mayor, I would ask that we now proceed back with the zoom audience participation.

[2:37:14] Thank you so much, Mr. City Manager.

[2:37:17] So, caller ending in 175.

[2:37:21] We will.

[2:37:23] And reach them.

[2:37:24] We'll go ahead. She has two minutes left.

[2:37:31] You did nice.

[2:37:33] Hi. Thank you.

[2:37:35] Madam Mayor, I'd like to just say just to let all of you and all of the city council members know that this is all being filmed YouTube and is going live.

[2:37:44] just to let you know all the ruckus in the chambers. I would like to know if I know

[2:37:55] that permits have to be gotten for vendors to do their business. Do they need to be

[2:38:06] on display for public to see them.

[2:38:13] It could potentially, if they are, maybe we need to

[2:38:18] know what we're looking for, but it could potentially lead to a diminished number of

[2:38:24] calls to just that truth already overworked. So that's kind of my concern. My concern earlier

[2:38:32] was about street sidewalks being blocked. I have family members in wheelchairs and that was

[2:38:43] a concern but that was all stood up by the attorney or by Mr. Eckert. So thank you. I'm sorry,

[2:38:54] Gail, so what you had to go through threats are not acceptable in any way shape or form and thank you

[2:39:02] for listening to us and I know you guys will decide to do what you need to do in order

[2:39:07] to, you know, go along with what California's regulated mandated as what needs to be done.

[2:39:16] I hope you all have a good evening and maybe several drinks after this.

[2:39:22] Thank you so much.

[2:39:24] Next caller.

[2:39:27] On the list, I have a color in 736, color 736.

[2:39:32] 6.

[2:39:37] Buenas noches, gracias por esta oportunidad.

[2:39:40] Le damos muchas gracias al concidio de la ciudad de Southgate por tomar regulaciones.

[2:39:47] Y espero que así como pasan esta ley también tengan los pasos claros y ayuda para los

[2:39:55] Thank you.

[2:40:00] Tome pausas para que el reductor no traduzca en inglés. Son momentos por favor.

[2:40:07] Empiezo de nuevo, por favor. Gracias. Muchas gracias al concidio de la ciudad por esta oportunidad para apoler.

[2:40:17] City Council for this opportunity. Para poder regular a los bendores ambulantes.

[2:40:26] Esta vemos que quieren necesitan enforzar reglas y les pedimos que tengan los pasos claros.

[2:40:37] si lo pueda repetir porque no se oye muy bien o si que les agradecemos que le pongan reglas

[2:40:46] a los vendedores ambulantes y que también tengan los pasos claros para pasarlos termisos.

[2:41:10] y por lo que les agradecemos por su enteresa y les decimos que estamos orgullosos de ustedes y que los respetamos.

[2:41:42] Gracias por aceptar las regulaciones. Sabemos que ninguno de ustedes tiene una agenda personal.

[2:41:50] Thank you for going through this process, we know that none of you have a personal agenda.

[2:41:59] Están y han hecho un trabajo excelente, muchas gracias.

[2:42:03] And this is the job, excellent work. Thank you very much.

[2:42:10] Thank you.

[2:42:12] Next caller.

[2:42:20] We have caller in and in 609.

[2:42:31] Hola,

[2:42:33] este es Thomas Buckley.

[2:42:35] Un día a los años antes de Selvete Mayor,

[2:42:37] Belén Bernal warned Gilhertado about this day.

[2:42:40] She said that Mr. Hertado should resign first from the JA

[2:42:44] so that it wouldn't be a conflict of interest.

[2:42:46] And today you can see she was right.

[2:42:48] Vice Mayor Gilhertado,

[2:42:50] you've hijacked our city's legislative body

[2:42:52] and tonight the community has called you out.

[2:42:55] The public knows that your organization

[2:42:57] la opción es de la política de la ciudad,

[2:42:59] el council member, Josh Burroun,

[2:43:01] nos dice eso.

[2:43:02] Se llama Josh, el señor de la izquierda,

[2:43:04] porque es loyal a tu organización.

[2:43:06] Él fue el primer que votó a la Comisión.

[2:43:10] En Vice-Maire,

[2:43:11] Hortado,

[2:43:13] quiere la publicación que la ciudad

[2:43:15] es adoptada de las organizaciones,

[2:43:17] para complicar con SB946,

[2:43:19] 972,

[2:43:20] pero la comunidad nos den mejor, Mr. Hortado.

[2:43:23] Se sabe que tú eres el primer,

[2:43:24] en quero barking on more instructions than what state law requires,

[2:43:28] they know that you're carrying over the what 100 foot recruitment rules

[2:43:33] that surround the park,

[2:43:35] that is not state law, that Southgate law.

[2:43:40] And, you know, Council, if you just would listen to the community,

[2:43:45] You know that this is very personal to them because

[2:43:48] you're attacking their culture.

[2:43:51] The city needs to either end or renegotiate its contract

[2:43:54] con Mr. Hurtado y la organización, porque las personas saben quiénes están ahora,

[2:43:59] y se saben lo que están haciendo no es correcto.

[2:44:03] Polar Avalos, la Radavela, El Rios, no hay que ser complicados.

[2:44:07] Pero si hay que ser, no hay que ser que las personas se han quedado accountable.

[2:44:11] Y para darles una levidad, como un residente de mi, que es muy interesting,

[2:44:16] que dice que me parece que es el presidente de Mr. Dela Paz, no es el puente de puente.

[2:44:19] Así que yo digo que el residente, sí, creo que es lo que es lo que es lo que es lo que es lo que es lo que es lo que es la gente.

[2:44:23] Thank you so much.

[2:44:29] Thank you next caller.

[2:44:30] We have Bridget on the line.

[2:44:33] We had Bridget.

[2:44:36] Hello, I'm calling because I have

[2:44:40] heard about this vendor situation.

[2:44:44] And you guys are all professionals.

[2:44:47] I'm seeing you guys here in YouTube live.

[2:44:52] And you guys are all professionals.

[2:44:54] ustedes no están muy contentos

[2:44:55] para saber que siguen

[2:44:57] siendo presidentes de Nouveau Norgos.

[2:45:00] The organization is a big conflict of interest. And another thing, seeing my own people bring

[2:45:07] down our own people is so sad to see. And seeing you guys as professionals, look the other

[2:45:17] way to dilute those bullshit is ridiculous. We have all his cronies going around the city,

[2:45:24] like Miss Andrea Polino harassing these people. We have Joanna Laborine that works for the JACC.

[2:45:33] Of course, if there's vendors, she doesn't get her money. She's not happy. All these people are

[2:45:37] not happy is because they have something to profit from it. And you guys need to stop looking the other

[2:45:42] way and defend our people. And I'm seeing the police department here for a meeting. This is ridiculous.

[2:45:48] We are defending our own people because little in the city of Southgate, I think these vendors come and make their money.

[2:45:57] They have dreams like you and I have had dreams to build something in this country.

[2:46:01] That's what it's about to come to this country and make something out of yourself.

[2:46:06] And that's what they're doing and you're not letting them do that.

[2:46:09] And that's ridiculous from a city that is run by brown people.

[2:46:18] You guys don't go telling them nothing right because they paid their money to the city right they paid their dues. So you guys are happy with them, but not the street vendors.

[2:46:27] Why don't you fix our streets? Why don't you care about that? Put the money where your mouth is at. Put the money right now in our street.

[2:46:39] street how they look people are falling down hurting themselves and seeing the police department confront aren't my own people my own residents. This is ridiculous. You guys are not for us. You guys stay. Oh, we're for the people were for the people know you guys are for fattening your fucking pockets.

[2:46:55] It's actually two guys are four.

[2:46:56] You guys are all for that.

[2:46:58] You guys are all for, give me, give me, give me.

[2:47:00] But you guys don't give to the people.

[2:47:02] You guys are all just, oh, here we are.

[2:47:05] Here are her faces, but don't show it like our treasure.

[2:47:09] He has no, he doesn't do nothing.

[2:47:12] He's not even out of the meetings.

[2:47:14] So you guys need to really check what you guys are doing

[2:47:16] and the policies that are coming to the city.

[2:47:19] Don't hurt the little people.

[2:47:20] Hurt the people that really need to be hurt.

[2:47:23] You guys need a takeout, you guys need a clean house in the city, and you guys need to

[2:47:28] town start to make a decision.

[2:47:30] Either be in the JCC or be in the city hall.

[2:47:34] Pick one, but you can't be in both.

[2:47:36] You can't have your take, I need it too.

[2:47:40] Thank you.

[2:47:41] Next caller.

[2:47:42] We have a support stream vendor for.

[2:47:48] Go ahead.

[2:47:50] Hello.

[2:47:51] Yes, go ahead.

[2:47:52] Hi.

[2:47:53] I want to say that I'm a student studying sociology and Latin American.

[2:47:58] and let in next studies, and based on the observations that I've made during this meeting,

[2:48:07] first of all, I've noticed that you're very unprepared when it comes to serving your community.

[2:48:14] I've been in court meetings where they're able to translate for Spanish speakers at a much faster

[2:48:23] and accurate rate than you do and a lot of you, although some of you might be Latino, that's what

[2:48:32] we can even consider you. A lot of you guys are just white supremacists and it's very

[2:48:39] shameful that you're against supporting street vendors because a lot of you want to be, you want

[2:48:48] to beautify the city of Southgate, right? That's what you want to do. You want to get rid of the

[2:48:54] street vendors, the Hispanic community in general, just getting rid of our culture, our traditions,

[2:49:02] and it's kind of funny that you're doing it this way. In reality, you're making yourselves

[2:49:11] look ghetto. Like it's very embarrassing to kind of tell people outside of

[2:49:18] Los Angeles that you're from the city of Southgate knowing them well that you

[2:49:22] guys are corrupt and you guys are just very irresponsible. It's just very

[2:49:28] shameful. It's embarrassing. Like your goal is probably to beautify the city of

[2:49:33] Southgate but you're just embarrassing yourself and it makes you like really really

[2:49:39] bad. I currently live up north of California and it's just so embarrassing. I think you guys

[2:49:49] are doing a really horrible job.

[2:49:53] That's all I wanted to say. Thank you. Next caller.

[2:50:02] We have Maria Castaneda. Go ahead, Ms. Castaneda.

[2:50:09] Oh, everyone. As a 40-year resident of Southgate and local business owner, I'm here to state business owner's requirements to run a restaurant in the city of Southgate. In order to operate, we need to have current health permits, business license, fire department, telecount equipment permits. We pay rent access, liability insurance, utilities payroll, and many more.

[2:50:32] We need to have running water, not only running water, but also hot water.

[2:50:39] We also, all of our employees need to be certified as food handlers.

[2:50:44] We need to have a fully handicapped access for everyone in the restaurant.

[2:50:48] We require to fully have a fully operated restaurant.

[2:50:52] Health Department inspections are buried, they're all in strict.

[2:50:58] As a local resident business owner or Southgate, I've been severely affected.

[2:51:04] affected by street vendors, taco vendors, who appears to strategically set up feet

[2:51:10] away from our businesses. As a business owner, I would like to remind residents and

[2:51:15] city council that we exist. We're here doing our best to run a legit business. We have,

[2:51:20] as you can imagine, have to pay 900 but thousands of dollars in license fees insurance.

[2:51:29] We pay

[2:51:34] permits as local small business owners feel ignored and visible neglected or only here

[2:51:39] trying very hard to do the right thing. Don't just think of business owners but also our employees

[2:51:45] who have families to support. We live in the city, we shop in our city, who are also being affected

[2:51:52] by this or all part of this community.

[2:51:57] If you do some research you will find that most of our

[2:52:05] a race issue, but it's more of a matter of public safety. I only ask for you guys to think and look

[2:52:12] at the whole picture. Don't I understand and I'm off for working hard and making a living. We are

[2:52:20] all immigrants, most of the people in Southgate. We work very hard, all of us. Not only the street vendors,

[2:52:26] but all of the local residents. My employees have expenses to pay. We all try to do the right thing.

[2:52:32] I am asking the City Council and local residents to think of us, to think and look and investigate

[2:52:39] and research the whole picture. Not just one, but the whole picture of what's happening

[2:52:45] in our city and how to keep our public and our citizens healthy. That's all we're looking

[2:52:52] for as business owners. We work very hard to keep our public healthy. I appreciate your

[2:53:00] to help your attention.

[2:53:01] And thank you for your time.

[2:53:04] Thank you, Ms. Kustaniya.

[2:53:05] Next caller.

[2:53:09] We have caller ending in 621.

[2:53:11] 621, go ahead.

[2:53:21] Hi, I would like to play a recording

[2:53:22] from our previous meeting

[2:53:23] and my hope is that people actually listen

[2:53:25] to the meeting recordings

[2:53:27] and not the bull stuff they are being fed.

[2:53:30] I also want to point out that

[2:53:32] Mr. Valo does not own this next bar at the park.

[2:53:36] It's run by all volunteers

[2:53:37] Here's for the benefit of youth programs.

[2:53:41] I'd also like to point out that no councilman with other wife

[2:53:46] does not have councilors stated in the last meeting

[2:53:49] and also like to point out that unlike other wives,

[2:53:53] she has never gave her husband's campaign $7,000

[2:53:56] of group money and never has she been kicked out

[2:54:00] of three service clubs for lying.

[2:54:03] With that said, let me play the recording.

[2:54:07] I think I mentioned the last time I spoke to a vendor of flowers on Southern Avenue,

[2:54:13] and I really felt bad for him.

[2:54:15] He says he's there for $8.19 a.m., and he's going to get $1 or $4.30 a.m. but I'm really

[2:54:23] selling the thing.

[2:54:24] In another case, I saw about $20.30 a.m. and I found it that his story is that the city of

[2:54:31] California has a name, a name, a name, a name, a name, a name, a name, a name, a name, a name

[2:54:34] That's not $1 or 10 hours.

[2:54:37] I mean, for OK, and only $20, it's not $7 or $15 an hour to me.

[2:54:42] So for their protection as well as the whole thing.

[2:54:45] So I want to look at the entire package.

[2:54:47] In any case, you know, what I would admit at that,

[2:54:50] I think I have covered enough.

[2:54:52] I think there's one or make the last comment

[2:54:54] because I understand how social media will turn this into

[2:54:59] We'll get out of here.

[2:55:00] We're on genders and I got to tell you. You know, I don't say this. L.A., I excluding the

[2:55:07] cal state to require not to be graduated, you do a thesis on type, you do when you're in

[2:55:14] your master's degree. I'm currently a bit dissident on it. And you filmed well before,

[2:55:20] this was back in 2019, and the story is that some of the people I interviewed for my

[2:55:27] in their thesis, or sad, and heartbreaking.

[2:55:31] I mean, ours that work and we get a few,

[2:55:34] because they're undocumented, and they have rights.

[2:55:37] And so I'm going to look at this in that level tonight.

[2:55:40] I know those news are going to take only excerpts

[2:55:43] of my comments tonight.

[2:55:44] You heard that on the floor last night.

[2:55:46] No, it's for the presentation as well.

[2:55:49] Daddy said, thank you, Madam Mayor.

[2:55:55] And the only reason we're

[2:55:59] done, I'm sorry.

[2:55:59] We

[2:56:09] have one more caller community next caller community is paramount.

[2:56:20] Hi. Hi. Can you guys hear me? Yes. Hi. My name is yes. Anya Maria.

[2:56:26] And I'm an elected official for paramount unified school district. Our school district serves has the honor of serving.

[2:56:35] which is a part of Southgate, and a few weekends ago I was there at an event whose mission was to support men's mental health and to bring awareness.

[2:56:48] And Southgate is a beautiful community, but I'm concerned that we have, without due respect, we have a fellow teacher up there, we have a professor up there.

[2:56:59] You can't speak both out of full size of your mouth.

[2:57:02] You're hosting an event to support men's mental health,

[2:57:06] and yet you're causing this policy,

[2:57:09] this thing that you're pushing forward

[2:57:11] is gonna cause stress on men,

[2:57:13] the very community that you claim to serve.

[2:57:17] So I ask you, as an elected official, as a teacher,

[2:57:21] please table this item, find ways to further support vendors.

[2:57:26] Come on guys, we're all teachers.

[2:57:27] We're all from the community.

[2:57:28] You're a professor, Al. You can do better. You can't go teaching students about

[2:57:33] sorry political science and then do the complete opposite. I remember my political

[2:57:38] science professors and they always instilled in us the value to do right

[2:57:43] by our community. So your actions now don't match what I would hope a professor would do in his

[2:57:49] community. Thank you very much.

[2:57:54] We have no other speaker that we had previously. So at this

[2:57:57] So I'm going to close the Zoom portion of it and bring it back to Council.

[2:58:03] Actually, we bring it back to staff.

[2:58:04] Thank you, Madam Mayor. And again, for the public's benefit,

[2:58:09] we did give notice to those participating on Zoom that there was a cutoff.

[2:58:15] So if anybody is still trying to get in,

[2:58:18] again, understand that we did set a limit on this,

[2:58:23] and we knew who was in line or in Q as you might expect is to who is there for participation.

[2:58:32] So I do see people raising their hand trying to get in, but as the mayor has indicated, the Zoom

[2:58:38] portion of public comment has ended. Madam Mayor of City Council, we have a number of questions.

[2:58:47] I think we're posed and Jim has a couple of points that he wanted to answer or respond to. So if we could bring Mr. Eckert back on.

[2:59:02] Before we do that, City Manager, Madam City Clerk, is there something you wanted to clarify?

[2:59:07] Oh, I received one email and two anonymous ones if I can read them.

[2:59:12] Yes, we're going to go ahead and read those into the record and then we will.

[2:59:16] Yes, summarized.

[2:59:18] Yes.

[2:59:19] Ambition Menes is commenting that Mr. Guilfado is having is unfounded that he is being told that he's having war against street vendors out there.

[2:59:33] He's an active member of our of our community.

[2:59:39] and he fears for him, he has been nominated by the Youth Commission as once a, sorry guys,

[2:59:56] Yeah, regards just.

[3:00:00] Street renders, what is being posted on social media is not what Gill stated. Gill has made comments as to the concerns being raised by local merchants and the residents about street vendors. These are the views and concerns of my community members and not necessarily those of your thought on. Now is, Mr. Bishop Mendez. I received an anonymous letter that states, first of all, let's please be clear that the ordinance is not an attack on street vendors. Guidelines must be enforced.

[3:00:29] for the health and sanitation requirements along with business license requirements,

[3:00:36] the state of California not allow free for all for street vending.

[3:00:39] It only decriminalizes the violation, but as long as each city updates their ordinance,

[3:00:45] vendors should follow the approved ordinance and obtain proper permits.

[3:00:50] Everyone, either street vendors or store restaurant owners, are all trying to make ends meet.

[3:00:56] It's not a personal attack on anyone.

[3:00:59] of another one that states this letters regards enforcement street vendors has been brought to my attention that the enforcement of street vendors will be enforced by code enforcement department currently code enforcement does not have the training knowledge of the health and safety requirements to enforce to our knowledge responsibility follows upon business license department while not opposed to it currently we do not have the resources manpower in the law.

[3:01:30] We would like to make counsel where are the requirements that would have to be met to take on that additional task.

[3:01:38] Currently, it is enforced only by business and license.

[3:01:42] I should say assigned to that department as they have a knowledge and training to properly enforce.

[3:01:47] We are more willing to further discuss this matter in detail. That's it for me.

[3:01:55] Thank you. Let's give it back to Mr. James.

[3:01:58] If we could have Mr. Eckert back on as a panelist and can you hear me?

[3:02:08] Yes, James.

[3:02:10] Okay, perfect.

[3:02:11] So there was obviously a lot of misinformation that was provided to the City Council by members of the audience.

[3:02:18] Personal attacks, rhetoric, a lot of use of hot topic buttons in terms that seem designed to inflame the community.

[3:02:26] But I wanted to get it back down to the ordinance itself and address at least one particular

[3:02:33] issue that seems to be prevalent amongst a lot of the speakers, which is the imposition

[3:02:39] of the health code requirements.

[3:02:41] And it's important to note that the city is not adopting health code requirements.

[3:02:46] The city is not modifying health code requirements.

[3:02:49] There's nothing being proposed in the ordinance that's a modification of health code requirements.

[3:02:54] So when there was discussion regarding the home kitchens or issues relating to

[3:03:00] commissaries or things of that nature, those are things that are regulated by

[3:03:05] the Department of Public Health of LA County. The only thing that the city would

[3:03:09] be requiring is that anybody who is required to get a health department permit to

[3:03:15] vent food would have to have that permit. And there's nothing the city can do to

[3:03:22] alleviate or to alleviate the responsibility of any street vendor who is

[3:03:30] vending food who is required to get a permit to not have to get that permit.

[3:03:34] There's nothing we can do. That's a mandate of the state. It's a mandate of

[3:03:38] the county health department and the city is not enforcing that issue. It's just that

[3:03:43] the city cannot issue its own local permit to somebody who's required to have a

[3:03:48] health permit unless that person in fact has the health permit.

[3:03:52] And it seems like there was confusion about that or at least some misinformation that

[3:03:57] was being provided that the city's out there enforcing the health code, the city's not

[3:04:01] enforcing the health code.

[3:04:02] That's up to the health department to do.

[3:04:04] The city is merely stating that anybody who's required to have a health permit has to have

[3:04:08] one in order to get the local permit.

[3:04:11] And again, that's something that's mandated by state law, it's mandated by local county health

[3:04:15] code.

[3:04:17] And I wanted to avoid that confusion that it seems to be abounding with respect to members

[3:04:22] of the public.

[3:04:23] That was really the only issue I wanted to address.

[3:04:25] I'm not going to address a lot of the other stuff that was discussed.

[3:04:29] I will say to the one speaker who indicated that it would be nice if the ordinance was made

[3:04:34] available to them.

[3:04:36] The ordinance is my understanding was, in fact, published with the agenda, it was available

[3:04:40] to everybody.

[3:04:41] It sounds like some people have looked at it.

[3:04:43] Some people may not have, but it was made available to everybody and with that again, I'm available to answer any questions that anybody may have met him here if I can ask him to a pine on there is a question by one of the speakers of what type.

[3:05:00] Permits need to be displayed by a street vendor, the health permit, the seller's permit, what is the code due to address the display of permits? So any permit, first of all, the code would require anybody who has a local permit to display that local permit. So that would be our local sidewalk vending permit or a business regulatory permit. And if they do, in fact, have a

[3:05:29] health permit, the health code mandates that that be on display as well, so it'd be no different

[3:05:34] than a restaurant that has to have the health permit out there on display as well as the retail

[3:05:40] sellers permit. So those are all things that would have to be on display, two of which are already

[3:05:45] mandated by state law and county law, and then the local permit would have to be on display

[3:05:50] pursuant to our code as well. And I just want to add that in the code we are requiring anybody that

[3:05:58] that is working that location of a license,

[3:06:02] properly licensed, they will be given a picture ID

[3:06:06] and they have to wear that all the time.

[3:06:09] So we will know when we go out,

[3:06:11] whether the person there is licensed,

[3:06:13] there will be a picture ID with relevant information

[3:06:17] off that.

[3:06:18] So beyond just what Jim explained

[3:06:21] of permits required by state and county code,

[3:06:24] we are requiring that they wear a picture ID

[3:06:28] that's issued by the city when they get their approval at that point so it'll be it's easier for us

[3:06:35] to identify who has actually been permitted from this process. I do want to clear up a couple of

[3:06:44] other things while I know there's a lot of frustration of one of the council members in their association

[3:06:52] with a youth organization. We have two parks that have exclusive vending

[3:07:00] concession. One is Southgate Park and one is Holiday Park. Southgate Park,

[3:07:05] J-A, it has the exclusive concession and they've had that for decades.

[3:07:12] The Holiday One is A-Y-S-O and they have it. So what this new code does provide?

[3:07:19] Currently, for parks that have exclusive concession agreements, there is no ability for concessions to happen.

[3:07:31] Under the new code, push a roaming vendors are going to be allowed.

[3:07:38] As long as they come in, again, get the permit, provide a route for that and operate on the sidewalk.

[3:07:45] What is still prohibited is a stationery sidewalk vendor from being operating in that standpoint.

[3:07:53] So roaming sidewalk vendors are going to be allowed in all the parts.

[3:07:59] And that is what has actually opened up more vending opportunities within all of our parks from that process.

[3:08:08] So again, if they're properly permitted in license, they'll be able to do that process.

[3:08:13] So, again, it's not just J-A, it's A-Y-S-O that has an exclusive

[3:08:20] in session agreement with the city for Holiday Old Park from the time.

[3:08:25] So, and those have been in place, my understanding for decades and decades,

[3:08:30] from that, so not something that is new by any means from that standpoint, from that.

[3:08:38] And I'm sorry, Mary, added one additional thing.

[3:08:42] Okay. I just wanted to add there was a comment that was made regarding some of the requirements

[3:08:47] for health department permits and asking for the city to make that easier. Unfortunately

[3:08:54] the city doesn't have jurisdiction to make that process easier. This is something that

[3:08:58] is regulated by both the state as well as the county. Senate Bill 972 which was passed at

[3:09:04] the end of last year and took effect at the beginning of this year. In fact did make it easier

[3:09:09] there for many types of sidewalk vendors,

[3:09:12] where they felt that some of the requirements were outdated.

[3:09:17] And so some of those requirements were removed.

[3:09:19] It didn't remove it from all types of sidewalk vendors.

[3:09:23] There are differentiations that the state and the county

[3:09:27] have made with respect to the type of food

[3:09:30] that is being vended, that is whether it is what they call

[3:09:33] potentially hazardous or non-potentially hazardous

[3:09:36] whether it has dairy, whether it requires temperature controls or time controls but all of those

[3:09:43] requirements are set by the state and by the county and not by the city. And so it's not

[3:09:48] something that the city actually has jurisdiction or the ability to control or to modify or to make

[3:09:54] easier. It's just something that people have to comply with. They are different.

[3:10:00] The regulations, then what brick and mortar restaurants need to comply with? But again, there are requirements that both the state and or the county have determined are appropriate for health and safety of the community. And I just wanted to point out that that's not something that the city has jurisdiction over. And I would just finally add on the topic of J and AYSO, the all nonprofits. And so they're designed to serve their constituency,

[3:10:30] and see which is youth sports activities from that.

[3:10:35] But I do want to stress they are nonprofit organizations

[3:10:40] and from that standpoint.

[3:10:43] And so no preferential treatment

[3:10:47] is being given to either one from that process

[3:10:51] under this code by any means.

[3:10:54] I would say also, and I want to reemphasize this, that Jim sort of went over.

[3:11:04] So the restrictions that are in here are either based on health, safety, or welfare.

[3:11:11] And as you can see, we have diligently tried to re-evaluate many of the elements that were

[3:11:20] in the existing code, so on page, I've got to make sure it'll get to that page, where we have

[3:11:32] an essence proposing the deletion of whole streets. So the current code says, for example,

[3:11:42] firestone, from city limit to city limit, there's no street sidewalk bending permitted from that,

[3:11:53] on the proposed ordinance that's in the staff report.

[3:11:58] So you'll see Otis, for example, Ardmore,

[3:12:02] a number of all the streets that are listed there,

[3:12:05] we're saying delete that,

[3:12:08] and instead rely on the distance requirements

[3:12:12] that we have stated.

[3:12:14] So as Jim indicated,

[3:12:16] We're looking at ADA access, so you have to have a minimum of 36 inches from curb to wherever

[3:12:24] the street vendor is going to occur for ADA access, Americans with Disabilities Act and pedestrian,

[3:12:31] safe pedestrian movement from that. A lot of cities actually ask for 48 or 54 inches of clearance

[3:12:39] between where the vendor is going to be and the curb of the sidewalk from that. So we are providing

[3:12:46] the minimum standard under law of what you need for that access. So we're not trying to grab more.

[3:12:54] We are also stating previously on page 20 of 26. We have deleted private property

[3:13:03] mentioned about that. All private properties handled under different sections of the code already.

[3:13:08] So, as Alia crossroads and the sale, we've deleted from this code.

[3:13:15] So, again, we're relying on the limitations off that.

[3:13:21] And on page 18 of 26, start those limitations.

[3:13:24] I know it was mentioned that streetlights are, there's no individual requirement

[3:13:33] for streetlight poll to be back from.

[3:13:35] What some of those limitations are, for example, 25 feet from any street intersection.

[3:13:44] And again, this is to help the vehicle traffic be not distracted by seeing crowds or people

[3:13:53] pulling over to the side and trying to see what vending is going on and process from that.

[3:13:59] 25 feet from any traffic control device, including signals and traffic signs, or a stop sign.

[3:14:07] And these are pretty common in any ways that you would probably see a red curve being

[3:14:13] marked in a lot of areas.

[3:14:14] Again, you don't want the visibility of a driver being obstructed or interfered, or them

[3:14:22] losing their attention span to where they're going from.

[3:14:26] 10 feet from a fire height.

[3:14:27] Again, that is just so that if fire has to go there or something, they not being interfered

[3:14:35] and right now under our code, we have a lot of red curb from 10 to 15 feet on either side

[3:14:43] of a fire hydrant from that on our streets off that.

[3:14:48] Three feet from the edge of the curb, as I said, the 36 inches for ADA, 25 feet from a driveway.

[3:14:55] And the purpose, again, from that is to allow safe ingress

[3:15:00] We address and egress by the people off the moving vehicles in through that. We don't want their visibility obstructed by crowds or carts or other things in their way from that process. We want 25 feet away from a marked crosswalk. Again, it's from a visibility and ability for the driver to stay focused on where they're going. 25 feet from a curb return of an unmarked

[3:15:29] So again, that's sort of the intersection, right? You have to have a curb where street is coming back into play 45 feet from a bus bends bus shelter public transportation waiting area.

[3:15:41] All buses are 45 feet by metro.

[3:15:44] So we're just trying to say is we don't want that obstructed by people trying to get on to a bus or getting off of us from that process.

[3:15:56] 50 feet from any railroad crossing. Again, it's important that people pay attention to those safety

[3:16:04] manage. Ten feet from an outdoor dining or patio area, dining area. Ten feet from an automatic

[3:16:11] teller machine. Again, we want people to feel safe going to automatic teller machines and not being

[3:16:19] and hidden by a crowd of people

[3:16:22] and somebody doing something notorious to them.

[3:16:25] 25 feet from the entrance of an emergency exit,

[3:16:30] 45 feet from a construction or maintenance zone.

[3:16:34] Again, that's gonna be a very living process

[3:16:37] because construction zones come and go from that process.

[3:16:41] So as people come in, we'll know that.

[3:16:44] 500 feet from certified farmers markets,

[3:16:47] It's swap meets 500 feet from a school or swap meet zone and so forth.

[3:16:56] So again, between pages 18 and 19 of 26 lists all of this, the restrictions.

[3:17:04] And so when a person comes in, they're going to indicate, I want to go to this location.

[3:17:11] And we will look to see if those locations meet.

[3:17:15] There's nothing obstructing in this process of these safety elements preventing them.

[3:17:20] And if that is, that place is designated as allowable, and then they go to the other requirements of a license, the permit, the health permit, the sellers permit, and so forth process.

[3:17:33] But this does, again, one emphasize, this is lessening the restriction that currently exists today for sidewalk vending.

[3:17:42] And they're designed to be safety concerns that we think as staff and legal counsel could

[3:17:52] exist or do exist if we don't pay attention to those processes as we go through that.

[3:18:02] So again, the objective by state law is we can't make this because somebody has particular

[3:18:08] or feeling about street vending or economic competition.

[3:18:12] So a street vendor could,

[3:18:14] if it meets all those restrictions,

[3:18:16] be right in front of a business and we have to allow it.

[3:18:20] That's what the state law says from it.

[3:18:22] So that's not related to health safety

[3:18:25] or welfare concerns.

[3:18:27] So again, I wanna keep emphasizing,

[3:18:29] this is making it easier.

[3:18:32] It doesn't make it mandatory for it to happen,

[3:18:36] but it makes it easier for people

[3:18:37] that follow the restrictions in the code and state law or county law to get a permit from this.

[3:18:45] And I would state currently, even under the current code, we have three vendors that have met

[3:18:49] the restrictions currently. So they've gotten the health permit, they've gotten their business license

[3:18:55] permit, and they're in a location that met. So there are locations within the city that can be met

[3:19:02] that from this process from that because we currently have three vendors that have been licensed once since 2019 from that.

[3:19:11] So it can be done from that process.

[3:19:16] I

[3:19:20] think that was the elements that I wanted to indicate from that but I'd be happy or staff or Jim or the city attorney be happy to answer any other questions.

[3:19:35] Council may have. Thank you so much, Chris. So before I bring it over to Council,

[3:19:39] treasure, do you have any questions?

[3:19:44] Well, no questions just a couple of comments I heard

[3:19:48] that there were some concerns about the application fees and other costs associated with obtaining

[3:19:56] permit. And just for the public and for

[3:20:00] You know, the council, you know, the salary walk vendor licensing fee is $100 for their card. And the application fee is $176. So the total licensing fee is $276. And that's the application fee and also the site walk vendor fee.

[3:20:22] the renewal fee per year is 211.

[3:20:28] So those are the costs.

[3:20:30] So if there was any type of relief

[3:20:33] that would be proposed by council

[3:20:36] to relieve that potential cost to enter initially,

[3:20:41] the application fee is something that could be reviewed

[3:20:46] potentially by council to look at,

[3:20:49] whether the city could provide relief

[3:20:51] through some type of program or other and those are some of the comments I wanted to make as

[3:20:58] it relates to the cost to enter. Now, you know, just to for full transparency, there is also

[3:21:04] insurance requirements from the vendors to provide the city as proof that they meet those

[3:21:11] obligations as well. Thank you. Thank you, Madam City Clerk. I have no comments. Thank you.

[3:21:16] Thank you bringing it back to council. Go ahead vice mayor. Yeah, so again, I think everybody's

[3:21:24] comments are appreciated. I know it's a very

[3:21:28] contentious thing. I've been hearing this in other cities as well, but the state is making this a

[3:21:35] a requirement and it again, it started back in 2018 when Ricardo Lara

[3:21:44] I wanted to make sure that people who need to have an opportunity to earn some money to do it.

[3:21:55] And so he began with the Senate bill that opened the door for this.

[3:22:02] Unfortunately, a lot of cities looked for ways to kind of sort of block that.

[3:22:09] and that's where 972 came about to try to eliminate some of those things that we're causing it.

[3:22:15] And again, yeah, I appreciate the fact that a, you know, a lot of people were concerned about

[3:22:20] this over the last year or so, you know, we have been getting a lot of calls and concerns by

[3:22:30] vendors, local vendors who are all Latino owned and have Latino employees. But again, you know,

[3:22:40] as I told them, you know, you may not want this, but we have a state requirement to allow vendors

[3:22:49] to operate. And, but what we hadn't done is updated our municipal code. We should have done this

[3:22:57] a long time ago. And the only reason I brought it up at a recent meeting is not because there's

[3:23:04] an attack on vendors, but because a lot of complaints that were coming in that why is it that I call

[3:23:12] the police department or I call city staff about vendors, and they're not doing anything. Well, the

[3:23:18] reason is that we weren't prepared to do that. And why? Because we haven't changed our municipal

[3:23:23] So that's why this was brought in, but it should have been done a long time ago, and not at the request of any council member, but because it's a requirement. We've done this before when the state took away certain rights of local communities like garage conversions and stuff like that.

[3:23:44] people objected to it here in Southgate, but unfortunately we had to change our

[3:23:49] ordinance to allow certain things to go on because of the housing crisis and

[3:23:54] again as much as people wanted to object to it, we had no choice and this is

[3:23:59] one of those. This is a requirement that the state is making and thank you for

[3:24:05] clearing up the fact that I do not own this night bar. I don't own it and I make

[3:24:12] no money off of that no matter how many times I've explained that to people there is no money come

[3:24:18] in my way from the snack bar all the money goes to the youth program and it helps numerous other

[3:24:24] causes.

[3:24:28] I have a couple of questions I know that there are some locations here in Southgate

[3:24:35] that might be considered a prime location.

[3:24:39] What is there in the ordinance that will allow,

[3:24:43] let's say that you have vendor A,

[3:24:46] who has a current permit in a certain location,

[3:24:50] and then vendor B says,

[3:24:54] you know, I like that location.

[3:24:57] How do we deal with that?

[3:24:59] How do we deal with that?

[3:25:00] As to which location or which person will get it.

[3:25:08] Jim, are you still in line?

[3:25:13] Yes, I am. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. So the way that this would work is the permit is valid for one year. And so when someone comes in and applies, if they're going to be a stationary sidewalk vendor, they would actually apply and put down on the application, the specific location that they want to operate in. Once that's approved,

[3:25:36] that would be their location for the one year period of time that they have on

[3:25:39] their permit. Nobody else would be allowed to vent at that location or within 25

[3:25:44] feet of that location. Upon the expiration of that, however, somebody else could

[3:25:50] come in and apply and get that location from that person. They would not be

[3:25:53] guaranteed the same location. Should they come back in and seek a subsequent what

[3:25:58] you might call a renewal of the permit. But that would be, again, something that

[3:26:03] they would have to put down on the application. We would verify that it

[3:26:06] meets all of the requirements and if it gets approved that would be their location.

[3:26:11] Thank you for that. There are some

[3:26:16] distance things that I need to understand where those numbers come from. And the reason I say

[3:26:23] that is this, when we say a certain distance from an intersection, not all intersections are built

[3:26:30] the same. So as an example, if you have an intersection like Firestone and Atlantic and you compare

[3:26:39] that to Southern and Alexander, you're not the same. Why can't we have a policy that allows

[3:26:50] certain locations that won't have, you know, that much traffic with a smaller distance, 25 feet.

[3:26:59] I just think that might be a little bit too much that's that's an opportunity for them to you know

[3:27:05] Make some money there at a corner. So why is that number? Where did that come from?

[3:27:10] So if I can just dress one thing is just that understand the purpose behind the distance requirement from intersections is not just an issue with respect to cars

[3:27:19] Right, so number one vendors who are sidewalk vendors aren't allowed to sell to people in cars

[3:27:24] That's something under law if you're vending on a sidewalk, you vent to people on the sidewalk, you don't vent to people in the cars.

[3:27:32] So obviously one thing that we are trying to do is prevent the ease with which someone could just stand on the street corner, have people stop, and then have somebody start to sell to somebody who's in that vehicle because that's something that would be prohibited.

[3:27:45] Number two, it is also there to allow for access for pedestrians to be able to use that particular intersection.

[3:27:52] And if you have a sidewalk vendor that is too close to that intersection, again, we're not talking about just the cart, right?

[3:27:59] We're talking about the entire operation that the person is going to have, which means all of their equipment, which means the patrons who are going to be lined up, who could potentially be blocking someone's use of that accessway, including ramps that someone may need to get up and down onto the sidewalk.

[3:28:14] Again, we're talking about accessibility features.

[3:28:17] So the distance that was proposed was the distance that was proposed to allow for continued

[3:28:22] use of those intersections by pedestrians, as well as for vehicular and pedestrian safety.

[3:28:30] Okay, but are we allowed to come up with something that's less of a distance?

[3:28:37] Can we do that?

[3:28:38] Yes, yes.

[3:28:39] The City Council can determine that a different distance would be more appropriate.

[3:28:43] Well, it would have to be universal.

[3:28:45] Well, when I'm at universal, so that means we would have to say the same thing for a corner like firestone and Atlantic.

[3:28:51] Yeah, because I don't know how you would differentiate for us to identify a intersection is different than another intersection because they all have pedestrians and vehicle traffic going through.

[3:29:04] Some may have more vehicles or pedestrians going through it, but they all have that.

[3:29:11] And again, from the standpoint of my recommendation is it's hard to differentiate and I think.

[3:29:20] Substantiate that just because an intersection may have a thousand cars go through it in the day as opposed to an intersection and maybe only have 500 cars or pedestrians walk through it.

[3:29:31] I would concur with the city manager on that.

[3:29:36] Okay, but what if like we had a list of all the streets that we eliminated, like Otis and Tweety and stuff like that.

[3:29:43] Can we take a look at some areas where we might want to lessen that and then maybe not tonight, but because I really think that's a little bit too restrictive.

[3:29:54] I see a lot of flower vendors for example.

[3:29:56] And those are opportunities for them.

[3:30:00] And I, you know, it just seems a little bit too much. But understand that irrespective of whether you change the distance requirements. So let's say you decided, okay, let's make it 10 feet from an intersection. Understand that irrespective of that, they're still going to have to provide the ADA accessibility issues. And they're still not going to be able to sell to somebody in a vehicle. The only time that they're going to be able to sell to someone who's in a vehicle is if the vehicle is lawfully parked.

[3:30:29] So they can't sell to someone who just happens to stop at a red light and go, hey, let me

[3:30:33] sell you some flowers or whatever else it is that they want to sell.

[3:30:37] That is still going to be prohibited.

[3:30:39] That can't be legalized.

[3:30:41] So from that standpoint, I'm not sure that, you know, lessening it is going to open up

[3:30:49] the possibilities that you're talking about, but yes, it is something that you can do.

[3:30:53] I mean, so if you decided 10 feet universal is what we should do, that's something that

[3:30:57] can be done.

[3:30:57] Yeah, and we can always just change it as time goes by.

[3:31:01] Here's another one that really is not in me the wrong way.

[3:31:06] A lot of vendors, their biggest moneymaker would be around schools.

[3:31:12] And this 500 feet just seems a little bit too much.

[3:31:16] And, you know, when I had this conversation with the city manager early in the day,

[3:31:21] you know, I pointed out how far 500 feet is that you're at home,

[3:31:24] and played a dodged stadium.

[3:31:26] What center field did that just need him, Joshua?

[3:31:28] Or 34.

[3:31:30] You're asking a person not to be near a school

[3:31:33] from home plate into the parking lot.

[3:31:38] That I don't get the issue there.

[3:31:41] I really think that if people really wanna

[3:31:45] help out the vendors around the schools,

[3:31:48] I mean, I'll use D wants to come up with a separate policy,

[3:31:51] but I just don't know about the school thing.

[3:31:54] And so again, I think 500 feet is a little bit too much.

[3:32:00] And again, I say maybe in front of the school, but if we want to do it, maybe 30 feet away

[3:32:06] from the boundaries of the school, come up with something a little bit more reasonable,

[3:32:09] because 500 feet, that's all I wanted to visualize that, right?

[3:32:14] How home plate to center field, 430, and you're still putting in another 70 feet out?

[3:32:20] That's 500 feet. Isn't it a school requirement? Is it an LUSD requiring? Well, LUSD doesn't control what happens outside of our boundaries, right?

[3:32:33] So it may be, but I would answer currently the code does limit the 500 feet within that our own code.

[3:32:43] And most cities have looking at this.

[3:32:47] I did a survey, quick and dirty.

[3:32:53] So I looked at Arcadia Patterson Sacramento, San Clemente, India, San Fernando, Modesto,

[3:32:59] Harupa Valley, Norwalk, West Hollywood, and Cudding.

[3:33:02] So most cities have several hundred feet from it, and I believe the rationale, like it

[3:33:07] is for us, is during the peak times where you've got a lot of students moving and cars picking

[3:33:16] and dropping off people. It's trying to pick up their safety concerns until they've walked far enough to disperse far enough from that process. So 500 feet is currently, but most cities have at least a couple of hundred feet if not more or 500 feet.

[3:33:35] the city attorney was just showing me the city of Los Angeles.

[3:33:40] What is that I hate's requirement?

[3:33:42] So I'm looking at a list that's put out by L.A.

[3:33:45] USDA.

[3:33:47] Bell prohibits it.

[3:33:48] Cutter Hay has 200.

[3:33:50] Lawrence is down.

[3:33:52] Down is 500.

[3:33:56] Minja Ray has 1,000 San Fernando 500.

[3:34:01] Topanga Universal City 1,000.

[3:34:04] View Park, Walnut Park, West Athens, all 1,000,

[3:34:09] Carson's at 1,500, Commerce is at 2,50,

[3:34:14] East LA is at 1,000,

[3:34:17] Authorities 500, so I could go on.

[3:34:19] I understand. So again, looking again,

[3:34:22] my mind works like a baseball right.

[3:34:25] So even 90 feet, the distance between first and home

[3:34:29] and first, that's a long way.

[3:34:31] And that's already pretty far enough. I think I, you know, so we say a hundred feet. That's still a lot.

[3:34:38] Two hundred, five hundred, fifteen hundred feet. That's in the different zip code almost, you know. That's a long ways.

[3:34:46] So again, I just think that if the opportunity is really going to be given to a vendor and the area where they're going to make more money.

[3:35:18] I'm going to encourage my colleagues to kind of support them. And not just at the school, but also we talked a little bit also about the like the farmer's market.

[3:35:28] 500 feet. Again, that's too far. I don't think it'll impact the farmer's market. It will allow

[3:35:36] vendors to be maybe even maybe a hundred feet away. 500 feet just seems a little bit too much.

[3:35:43] But again, I threw that out. If I may, Madam Mayor. Mr. Nabila, did you want to say something?

[3:35:51] Thank you. I just wanted to maybe ask the question regarding that 500 feet

[3:35:58] and Chris, a city manager.

[3:36:02] Is that 500 feet only for stationary vending?

[3:36:09] Yes.

[3:36:10] So a moving cart can be right in front of the school

[3:36:14] as long as it stops to sell to a student

[3:36:18] that's coming out of school.

[3:36:19] And then as long as when their sale is done

[3:36:22] and there's nobody else buying,

[3:36:23] they can continue to walk, right?

[3:36:25] Right. Right. Again, with a roaming, they have to give us a pre-designated group if it is large as they want or small as they want, but we would be approving that route. But our our ordinance is is not restricting any area around a school for roaming.

[3:36:40] So it is still feasible that a roaming street vendor could still sell within 500 feet, but I think the the real concern and I think I do agree with the 500 foot.

[3:36:56] is for a stationary location, it creates an area.

[3:37:01] I'm going to assume that it's one of the best selling

[3:37:03] taco stands or food stands in the area,

[3:37:08] and it has a line of 50, 60 people there.

[3:37:12] Parents are trying to drive, pick up kids.

[3:37:15] Some parents don't pick up their students right in front of

[3:37:17] the school. They'll ask their students to drive down

[3:37:20] or walk down a few blocks.

[3:37:21] They meet them at the local restaurants around the area.

[3:37:24] I'm just thinking that it creates a lot of congestion in a small space, especially during peak hours when we know that a lot of the vendors are out there trying to sell.

[3:37:37] So I'm a little worrisome of reducing that and that's I think the recommendation made by city staff is kind of warranted because of that.

[3:37:48] If I can clarify, the 500-foot distance is applicable to all sidewalk vendors, so roaming

[3:37:55] and stationary.

[3:37:59] I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.

[3:38:01] The 500-foot distance is applicable to all sidewalk vendors, roaming and stationary.

[3:38:09] At least that's the way that it's drafted in the current proposal.

[3:38:13] Okay.

[3:38:20] We're going to take that.

[3:38:21] I will say that the reasons that were stated are still appropriate, right?

[3:38:25] I mean, that is the reasons that we're talking about are typically, again, we don't want students trying to leave campus in order to, you know, get something from a vendor when they're supposed to be on campus.

[3:38:36] We don't want there to be interference with the use of the sidewalks in the areas that parents and our guardians are utilizing in order to go and pick up their children or drop off their children.

[3:38:47] So the applicability of the 500 foot distance is obviously only applicable during the hours that people would be utilizing the school.

[3:39:02] My question is, have we identified areas where we can have stationary street vendors?

[3:39:17] I don't think that's allowed, that we can limit the, like, just like I said, doesn't it have to, I'm asking him because I want to know, and if they're the ones who need to identify the areas.

[3:39:31] So I want to make sure that I want to make sure I understand the question, is the question, have we gone out to identify how many places within the city someone could actually vent?

[3:39:41] or are you asking, oh, to my knowledge.

[3:39:46] No, listen to one question.

[3:39:48] Have we identified areas where we can have stationary

[3:39:56] there are three benders.

[3:39:58] No, we have an idea.

[3:40:00] We've identified it. We've imposed or what is being proposed are the distance requirements. Ultimately, when someone comes in, they will make an application for a specific location. And we will verify that it meets those requirements at the time, but we have not gone through to my knowledge and audited the city to find out, you know, all the locations where someone could potentially do it. And I would just add, we cannot limit to certain areas. Correct.

[3:40:28] Correct. From that standpoint. Right, but I think one of the, I think it's a good point. Councilmember Navidad is that maybe to alleviate that process, the city can identify the areas and locations and streets and actually provide a list to the applicants and say, here are the available areas.

[3:40:50] this is where we've already identified where the ADA

[3:40:53] approval limit of 36 inches,

[3:40:55] even with a cart at your size would fit,

[3:41:00] and kind of streamline the process.

[3:41:02] I think one of the concerns that we heard today

[3:41:04] and I think that we'll continue to hear is that

[3:41:06] there's every process becomes an obstacle

[3:41:09] for this re-vendor to be able to apply,

[3:41:11] where they're waiting on a evaluation of a site

[3:41:15] to see if it's approved.

[3:41:16] If we can do that proactively

[3:41:19] And identify those locations, you know, that's I think a benefit for both and we have heard that and and we depending on what happens tonight.

[3:41:28] We are preparing a brochure how to get license.

[3:41:31] Okay.

[3:41:33] From that and so we've already started outlining something, but we wanted to wait until we know what the rules are.

[3:41:44] before we finish that. One of my other questions and it's regarding the fee. The fee it's the license and for the fingerprints and all that. Can we make it all inclusive?

[3:42:00] because I think, I mean, just having fees for this and that, and I mean, I think it's

[3:42:09] gonna add up on them, so it would just can make a fee that it's so inclusive. I mean,

[3:42:16] I think that's one way of helping them out.

[3:42:19] Just to let you know, the reason why typically fingerprinting fees are kept separately is because

[3:42:24] those are modified by the state and not by the local jurisdictions. And so we typically

[3:42:29] we just say the additional cost of the fingerprinting, whatever that is, but that fee is typically

[3:42:35] set by the state, not by the local jurisdiction. We would be able to set the permit fee, but if the

[3:42:41] state increased the fingerprinting fee, then we would have to then go back and modify hours. Whereas

[3:42:49] if all we do is we set the permit fee, and then you have to pay whatever the fee is that's set by

[3:42:54] state for purpose of the fingerprinting, that can automatically adjust when the state adjusts it.

[3:43:00] So there's a couple of ways to handle if the intent is for that. So if you wanted, you could roll

[3:43:07] the fingerprint under the permit fee, the 176, and just realize that if the state increases their

[3:43:19] be that it just erodes what we're covering internally from that or you could reduce the

[3:43:28] 176 to whatever level you want, but again realize that you're in essence subsidizing, which

[3:43:35] I'm not saying is bad or good, but you are subsidizing the cost of processing the process

[3:43:43] from that standpoint.

[3:43:43] So you can approach it in a way. You can either make it inclusive or reduce another fee to handle if that's the intent of the council.

[3:43:52] Again, you know, that means councilman, I think you bring up a good point where again, it feels like every step that they have to apply with becomes another obstacle for the stream vendor to be able to receive their permit.

[3:44:07] And if we can, at any way, streamline the process.

[3:44:10] And I think that's one of the approaches that we can do

[3:44:13] is identify things like this.

[3:44:17] Like we're, all right, they're going to get their permit.

[3:44:21] They're going to get their business license.

[3:44:23] And now we're asking them, they're going to have to pay

[3:44:25] additional fee to go do a fingerprints, right?

[3:44:28] If it can all be inclusive, I mean, even if we don't raise it,

[3:44:32] that's fine.

[3:44:33] I think it's feasible for us to not have to raise it to increase it for that.

[3:44:39] But make it a single location where they pay everything.

[3:44:44] It's streamlined to process.

[3:44:45] Here's everything you have to do.

[3:44:47] Here's what you will have your fee.

[3:44:50] And then here's your appointment for your fingerprints at whatever location.

[3:44:55] I think that's methods that we can do to really streamline this process again.

[3:45:00] Thank you, council member Rios. Thank you Madam Mayor. Well, I have mixed feelings about all this. I didn't anticipate. I anticipate some public comment, but not as not to the extent that it was kind of disruptive and kind of, you know, put this put us in this situation predicament. We're in today, but I know I'm talking to some of them. I know that some of them wonder why we had a special meeting. Why didn't we have more

[3:45:29] more community input, more workshop or to inform the public more a little bit about the

[3:45:37] ordinance. And I think because I was I looked at it, it is not a simple written ordinance.

[3:45:43] It's, you know, you almost have to be an attorney to interpret it. So I think that there are

[3:45:47] some validity there in terms of I'm concerned about some of the public comment, not all the public

[3:45:55] comment was heard. I mean, there was some was limited. I mean, we didn't hear from everybody,

[3:46:00] some people were intimidated. And so we didn't really get it for here. And I know we cut some

[3:46:05] of the Zoom audience, so I'm concerned about that.

[3:46:09] So let's see, I'm concerned, would you just

[3:46:13] mention some of the restrictions that the regulation is, and I know that some of my council colleagues

[3:46:20] or mentioning it that you know the 500 I mean when you start breaking it down it does now I

[3:46:28] can see some of the perception of some of the folks that were here contesting the ordinance that

[3:46:34] it is too regulatory that we haven't really thought it through in terms of as we're think as we're

[3:46:40] discussing it here and you know the insurance I don't even know what first time I really hear about

[3:46:47] insurance, so what does that mean? What's the cost? I would like first to have what the policy was

[3:46:56] and then now what we're proposing kind of breaking it down in the so people can understand.

[3:47:01] I think that would have helped. I think we got ahead of us enough of the public on this issue to try

[3:47:07] to remedy the situation, but then I think the public's just coming on. This issue is still going to be very

[3:47:15] very eminent in the community and still going to be there. I think we get to realize that.

[3:47:22] And so, they mention a possible litigation against the city that was mentioned. And so,

[3:47:34] I have a number of concerns.

[3:47:38] Again, not all the people have participated on this one.

[3:47:43] Maybe we should have had more a forum to discuss this a little bit so the community and share the ordinance a little bit more. I think that because right now you have the perception that we're trying to pass this policy quickly and just move on from this issue and that I have those concerns.

[3:48:03] And so,

[3:48:06] you know, I think we're doing the right thing,

[3:48:08] but I think we got ahead of us of the public a little bit on this one.

[3:48:12] But that's my concerns, at least right now.

[3:48:15] Thank you, Councilmember Rios.

[3:48:18] I did bring something to your attention, Chris, before we started.

[3:48:23] And it was mentioned by some of the audience

[3:48:26] that was here in Council chambers.

[3:48:28] In regards to the administrative fee on Section 11 on page 21.

[3:48:32] and Section 12, versus an administrative fee of $1,000 for the fourth and each subsequent

[3:48:39] violation. Again, this is in regards to violations, but then on Section 12, it says an administrative

[3:48:48] fee of $500 for the fourth and each subsequent violation and revocation or suspension of the

[3:48:56] permit and license. So if we can get a clarification on that, because again, once there's a thousand,

[3:49:03] the other one says 500 with the possible revocation of the license.

[3:49:09] If I can just get clarification on that, because I know that it was mentioned that a thousand

[3:49:13] is a huge amount of money, specifically for the street vendors that are out there that are barely

[3:49:19] making it.

[3:49:23] And a mayor, it's a different code violation that is at issue here. I'll ask Jim if he

[3:49:28] in comment on that. I looked at that as well and I did see that the $1,000 violation is for

[3:49:34] one section of the code. 500 is for a different section of the code. Jim, are you still there?

[3:49:51] Yes, I'm still here. Sorry. I just had this muted. So city attorney is correct. These are for

[3:49:56] different provisions and I want to clarify something this is not an administrative

[3:50:00] Fe. This is an administrative fine. And we're actually not proposing a change in the administrative fine. There's no increase in the administrative fine. What we've done is we've removed language from that particular portion, but we haven't, we're not recommending an increase in the fine. This is a fine that's already been imposed and set by the city council when it adopted this ordinance back in 2018. What we removed with some other language, but not with respect to increasing

[3:50:29] of the fine. So just so the Council is aware, currently under the City Code, a vendor who

[3:50:37] is actually issued a citation for vending without a valid permit would face a $250 fine for first

[3:50:45] violation, a $500 fine for second violation, and a $1,000 fine for third violation, and a $1,000 fine

[3:50:55] for a fourth violation as well as the revocation of a permit. And that's for someone who is operating

[3:51:02] without a permit. The other section is for somebody who actually has a permit and who violates a

[3:51:09] condition of the permit. And the current fines for that are 100 for first, 200 for a second, 500

[3:51:16] for a third, and then 500 for a fourth as well as other penalties. So the proposed changes or the

[3:51:24] proposed language that's discussed under Section 11.

[3:51:27] That is keeping the exact same fine as it currently stands, we're not increasing that,

[3:51:33] but that $1,000 fine is for somebody who is operating without a permit, who has been

[3:51:38] cited on at least four separate occasions during a 12 month period of time.

[3:51:45] Section 12 discusses a fine that would be imposed at $500, and that's the someone who actually

[3:51:51] has a permit but continues to violate conditions of the permit and has done so on at least four

[3:51:57] separate occasions in a 12-month period of time. So this is not what the first fine amount

[3:52:03] would be for either type of violation.

[3:52:07] Does that answer the question?

[3:52:09] Yes, it does. It clarifies it.

[3:52:12] Thank you.

[3:52:13] All right. This time, what are the wishes of council?

[3:52:17] One quick thing I was informed that the insurance policy may

[3:52:24] reign somewhere between 50 and 125. Is that correct?

[3:52:29] Are you talking about the actual cost of somebody obtaining the insurance?

[3:52:35] I'm sorry, the question was not for you. It was for sorry.

[3:52:39] That's okay.

[3:52:41] This is not based on food lending. This is based on a different business, which is a consulting business for an engineering firm or a planning firm. And yes, it does range from $50 a month and up for a million dollars.

[3:52:54] Yes.

[3:52:56] Well, I can answer the question because Councilmember Burone asked that before we got in here.

[3:53:02] So I did have a Thurmond Green on risk manager reach out to ICRMA and independent cities

[3:53:08] risk management association which is our pool company.

[3:53:13] First of all, they indicated that all 14 of their cities that are part of the pool have some

[3:53:21] sort of insurance requirement from that.

[3:53:25] And two, they said, they didn't,

[3:53:27] because it was being asked late in the afternoon,

[3:53:29] they didn't have a complete list of that.

[3:53:31] They, Bommé's indicated that most of his recollection

[3:53:37] is most have at least a million dollars

[3:53:40] from that process for insurance requirements.

[3:53:46] And that's the same insurance requirement

[3:53:48] that we have for, in essence, any encroachment permit.

[3:53:52] So if you had a business that maybe had an awning

[3:53:54] hanging over a sidewalk, they would have to get an encroachment permit

[3:53:59] because if that fell down in the public right away,

[3:54:01] we want to make sure it's the same level of requirement

[3:54:04] that an awning or some other type of encroachment

[3:54:09] into the public right away that we require of anybody,

[3:54:12] regardless of whether they're street vending

[3:54:13] or having something from that process.

[3:54:18] I did reach out, and from my survey I was doing this afternoon, so I will give you this.

[3:54:25] Arcadia has a $500,000 level.

[3:54:28] Haderson has $500,000.

[3:54:30] Sacramento, a million.

[3:54:32] San Clemente, $500,000.

[3:54:35] Indio and Modesto, both say in their code that it's set by the risk manager,

[3:54:41] which in my lingo tells me it's dependent on what the risk pool requires as that

[3:54:48] because that may be adjusted from year to year depending on what the risk pool

[3:54:52] insurance requirements are. Sam Fernando was a million, a group of

[3:54:58] a million.

[3:55:00] Norwalk, a million, west hollywood, a million, and cut hay was 200,000. And I would also add that this is not a change. One million dollar coverage is what we currently require under the code. So this is not a new number that we're throwing out. We're not seeking to increase it. It's the same number that currently exists under the code. And then Thurman just added in his email to me.

[3:55:25] late is that he thought it would be somewhere about based off of what I assume

[3:55:31] Ray told him is about $1500 annually for a million dollar insurance on

[3:55:38] $1500 and I would say we have three vendors that are providing right now. We

[3:55:45] have three licensed vendors and that's what they're doing. I just again give you

[3:55:50] that information is what is out there being proposed by other entities plus with our own ICRMA

[3:55:58] pool is recommending from that standpoint and is what Jim indicated. It's not a change from

[3:56:04] what we currently plan. Madam Mayor if I may just add one last thing. I just wanted to really make

[3:56:14] a comment regarding having this meeting as a standalone meeting. And I'm very appreciative

[3:56:20] of the staff to have dedicated that much time and effort to have a standalone meeting for this

[3:56:27] because the public does deserve the opportunity to speak and not feel rushed that we have other

[3:56:32] items on an agenda. This is a topic that I knew was going to be, you know, one that needed time.

[3:56:39] So to have a special meeting to have its own meeting to address it I think was the right decision by our city staff and I was very appreciative that that took place.

[3:56:50] I'm very saddened that we had an environment here where a lot of people did not feel safe and or be able to speak what they wanted to say.

[3:57:03] We've always preached and I think everybody here on Council has done it in the past to

[3:57:07] remind, you know, the residents, this chamber is your home and you should feel safe to

[3:57:13] speak here and feel that you can, you know, address the Council in a way that, you know,

[3:57:20] you'll be heard and that you wouldn't be mocked or confronted based on what you're saying.

[3:57:26] So again, I just wanted to point that out. I know that, you know, Councilman Rios made a comment saying that, you know, he felt that this was kind of rush. I want to just really point out that, you know, this agenda was released a lot earlier than most agendas are and they were, you know, given to us in a way for us to review to ask our questions and to be informed of what it was.

[3:57:53] and really to understand what the requests that was being made to us.

[3:57:58] And I'm very appreciative of the time that was taken for this.

[3:58:02] And I want to just thank the staff for that.

[3:58:04] May I comment on them here?

[3:58:05] Go ahead.

[3:58:06] Yeah, I don't know if this would be with the council member, my colleague.

[3:58:09] But the public hasn't been having the same opportunity that we've had.

[3:58:15] I mean, and that's that was my concern.

[3:58:18] I don't think the whole public knows.

[3:58:19] So as we're finding out all the news since today,

[3:58:24] we're all learning about this.

[3:58:25] I'm learning about this right here.

[3:58:27] And I said that, sit on the diocese.

[3:58:29] So I hear what you're saying, but again,

[3:58:33] I think all of us want to help support the vendors.

[3:58:36] I think that we all believe in the interprenuous spirit

[3:58:40] here in the United States.

[3:58:42] And it's everywhere in the world.

[3:58:44] I hear that bending takes place.

[3:58:46] every major city there's bending going on so it's not new concept and I think what the people are

[3:58:54] trying to do is right now it's hard times and I think what these folks are trying to do is just

[3:59:00] provide for the families and so yes you're right we have ourselves been informed but I don't think

[3:59:09] the general public as and so that's and

[3:59:16] and I do feel that in a way we it seems like and these

[3:59:21] comments were coming from them punitive that is not and we didn't do much to kind of look at the

[3:59:28] other side I think I mean from the vendor's point of view I think that and I know we're not supposed

[3:59:33] to do that but I also think think about our brick and mortar I do think about them even though we're

[3:59:39] I'm not supposed to discuss it in that way, but that's a reality.

[3:59:43] It does impact those businesses.

[3:59:45] So there's a lot of layers to this, it's not a simple issue, so that's all I'm saying.

[3:59:54] Madam Mayor, thank you.

[3:59:56] and now just for the um

[4:00:00] Of course, staff, when was this agenda posted? It was posted the seven days ago. Seven days ago. So our regular agendas are usually five. And I just again for the record, I did go on a couple of other non-city social media posts. I have been skewed for that. So I did post the notice seven days ago when it did get posted.

[4:00:29] posted on police scanner and Southgate News telling them that we were going to have the meeting and that the agenda staff report and post ordinance were available on the city's website.

[4:00:42] Right, because I know that we got this agenda. I mean, when first came out, because I think we were having a budget meeting when this came out.

[4:00:52] So it gave us the amount of time for us to read it and it was out also in our website.

[4:01:02] Staff, I guess when I went to staff, I mean staff answer questions that I had in outcomes.

[4:01:11] Did do I have concerns? Oh, I want to make sure that we have.

[4:01:17] Now, and I think somebody mentioned a liaison, you know, to help the process of for the vendors. I mean, when they come and and get their permits.

[4:01:32] And I think here it's we're doing what our constituents elect us for.

[4:01:39] they elected us to make tough decisions and I think this is one of the toughest decisions

[4:01:44] that we are making right now. And for the health of our community, we need to follow state

[4:01:53] regulations. Unfortunately, the state makes laws that sometimes it doesn't help our cities,

[4:02:02] But you know what, they come with this laws, but they don't give us no funding to do the job.

[4:02:11] The decisions that we make, I know that we are not going to make everybody happy.

[4:02:22] It doesn't matter which side of the table, we're not going to make everybody happy.

[4:02:28] We're going to we have businesses that pay their license. We have businesses they do their

[4:02:36] their you know their diligence to follow regulations and we need to

[4:02:44] continue having those kind of responsibility and one of the things that it does concern me what

[4:02:51] happens. And this question, Erkman, I can ask our city attorney. Okay. Say that there's a lawsuit

[4:03:02] that it goes towards one of the vendors. Are we liable? Is the city liable? Is it say that

[4:03:11] somebody falls sick and and there's a lawsuit can they come back to the city and also

[4:03:19] by a lawsuit against the city.

[4:03:22] Madam Mayor, the concern there is that the vendor

[4:03:26] would be operating on a portion of the city sidewalk.

[4:03:30] The city would be allowing that vendor to operate there.

[4:03:35] The concern would be that if someone were slipping

[4:03:38] on oil, for example, that fell from one of the stoves

[4:03:43] and that contributed to the sidewalk,

[4:03:46] the question would be well was it because the sidewalk somehow was not properly maintained or was it

[4:03:52] because the sidewalk had oil on it that came from the vendor. So the issues could be very complicated

[4:03:59] as a result. The reality is that more likely than not, a lawyer representing a plaintiff in that case

[4:04:06] would not want to air by not sitting everybody potentially involved. So the city could be brought

[4:04:14] into the action, even though it was not at fault to begin with, but it's now named as a defendant

[4:04:21] for something that could have been caused by the vendor. We don't know in this hypothetical

[4:04:27] that you posed, but it is an added risk that the city now has, and that's the reason for the

[4:04:33] indemnification of the city. Thank you. Thank you for the response. So with that matter, Mayor,

[4:04:42] I just have one more just because it was brought up during public comment city attorney they mentioned several cases so

[4:04:54] Should this council approve the ordinance the way it's written and it encroaches

[4:05:00] Is in any way, shape, or form on the California or the United States Constitution? Would this council be able to bring it back and make those appropriate changes?

[4:05:11] Madam Mayor, if the question is, if a court determines that the ordinance for one reason or another, do not meet one of the judicial standards. It did not meet one of the state law. Most certainly the city would be required to amend its ordinance to address that finding. Thank you.

[4:05:31] And I know one of the residents that came in did indicate that in the ordinance, there is no resources.

[4:05:41] Now I and city manager just clarified that we are going to have a brochure that actually walks all of our vendors through the process to be able to get the permits needed.

[4:05:55] and a system obviously hopefully with somebody that is native to the language that the vendor is speaking to be able to facilitate that for them. I just want to make sure that that support will be there for them.

[4:06:07] That's our intent. Again, I've looked at a number of other cities, San Jose, Fresno,

[4:06:17] that have done I think pretty good.

[4:06:21] Efforts both from YouTube's brochures and other things.

[4:06:26] And so plagiarism is not a for letter word in government.

[4:06:31] So I think using that as a basis to springboard from

[4:06:35] We don't have to reinvent the wheel, I think that they provide a pretty good how to and they do it both in multiple languages, even beyond Spanish because of their populations, they have a lot of languages out there.

[4:06:50] Yes, from that process is our intent to do that.

[4:06:55] Thank you. So at this time, what are the issues?

[4:06:57] I had a couple real questions.

[4:07:03] So what is the average cost of a cart that's required?

[4:07:11] Jim, you're probably more familiar with this.

[4:07:14] But one of the impediments I've heard the most is getting a,

[4:07:19] an essence of pre-approved cart that by the county health department.

[4:07:23] You know, one of that.

[4:07:25] Correct.

[4:07:26] And so, sorry.

[4:07:28] Sorry, go ahead.

[4:07:30] Yes, so that's something that is currently being dealt with under SB 972.

[4:07:36] And so if I can answer that in a little bit long-winded, but the cost of it used to be very extreme because of requirements that the health department had.

[4:07:45] So, for example, you would have to have a three-compartment sink inside of the cart in order to properly sell food items.

[4:07:53] SB 972, however, has reduced some of those requirements and therefore will reduce the cost of some of the carts.

[4:08:02] One of the other things that the state has done is it's allowing local health departments to see a set of plans and

[4:08:10] And I prove a particular card for a particular type of vending.

[4:08:16] So for example, if someone comes in and says, well, I want to sell our raspados, fine.

[4:08:20] We're going to approve a type of card to sell that.

[4:08:23] And if someone else comes in to get approval for that type of a card, it'll be a much more

[4:08:28] quicker and expedited process because they've already approved that card for other vendors.

[4:08:35] As those regulations and those approvals become easier, then the cost of making the

[4:08:41] card of manufacturing it and getting the approvals will also reduce.

[4:08:45] So I can't give you a specific amount right now because they're still working out those

[4:08:49] things, but those costs are not created obviously by the local jurisdiction.

[4:08:55] Ultimately, they're going to be as a result of whatever the health code, I'm sorry, whatever

[4:08:59] the health department determines are the necessary requirements.

[4:09:02] And it will change depending on what you're selling.

[4:09:06] So if you are selling what they call potentially hazardous food, which is typically things that

[4:09:11] need to be temperature controlled or time controlled, raw meats, if you are dealing with dairy,

[4:09:18] those things might be a little bit more expensive.

[4:09:20] If you're dealing with what they call non-potentially hazardous food or pre-packaged food, those things

[4:09:27] might be more reduced because the health code requirements for that cart will be less.

[4:09:31] So, I don't have an estimate right now because some of those health code requirements have

[4:09:36] just changed as a result of SB 972 and because of that, manufacturers are still creating

[4:09:45] the appropriate prototype, if you will, for a model card that will be able to be approved

[4:09:51] by the health department, and then the entire, anybody who comes in with that type of card

[4:09:56] would have a more expedited fashion.

[4:09:58] So I don't know the exact amount of the-

[4:10:04] The current card is costing regardless of what you just explained, but if today they wanted

[4:10:12] to get a card for that, would that be in the 5,000 or above? I would say definitely an excess

[4:10:21] of 2,500 and possibly over 5, yes.

[4:10:27] That is a problem. And I asked staff to take a look

[4:10:32] to see if we had any possibility of using ARPA money to assist part and part not entirely

[4:10:42] in part for that

[4:10:46] assistance. So the US Treasury guidelines for ARPA indicates that you can utilize

[4:10:53] the funding to support small businesses that have been directly impacted by COVID through the use

[4:11:01] of, you know, one-time grants or assistance like that. So, you know, as we could probably

[4:11:07] state that these businesses were impacted by COVID, there's a really great area that

[4:11:13] you have to ensure that we can justify using ARPA money for that reason and that we can,

[4:11:20] 100% say, that we're giving it in support of it being impacted by COVID.

[4:11:33] All righty. Thank you. I think we've had a lively discussion. So what are the wishes of council?

[4:11:38] Well, go ahead.

[4:11:41] I just think that there's a lot of information that we, I don't feel comfortable at this time.

[4:11:48] I mean, the laws are changing as we speak.

[4:11:52] Again, I'll reiterate.

[4:11:54] I think we got ahead of the public on this one.

[4:11:57] I think that.

[4:11:59] Not enough.

[4:12:00] And there's always been a concern about communication with the community.

[4:12:03] Everybody on the council knows that.

[4:12:05] And I don't think, but again, and then I want to be fair to in the sense that I know that a lot of the folks that were here today against this ordinance don't, you know, maybe they say they represent the vendors, but I know I know vendors that are out there that are real humble individuals that are just trying to make a living and support their families.

[4:12:29] So, you know, I don't want us to, you know, I know that that can alter how we view things, but anyways, those are my views.

[4:12:40] Just for clarification, city, I mean, I'm sorry, city manager.

[4:12:46] This will need to come back for a second reading, which at that point we would then identify if.

[4:12:54] Any questions that we have here, a council would be addressed by that point and then be able to have a full understanding of what the ordinance will be at that time and then have a second reading.

[4:13:05] Well, I'll have the city attorney explain how ordinances can be addressed.

[4:13:09] Yes. Tonight's meeting is an introduction of the ordinance. So if the council moves to approve

[4:13:17] the ordinance tonight and then wants to make changes two weeks from now, for example,

[4:13:22] then we wouldn't be able to adopt it. It has to be introduced again at that meeting so

[4:13:29] that the public knows. And then there would have to be an adoption after that at a subsequent

[4:13:34] meeting in time, according to the Brown Act.

[4:13:40] Right now, I guess, what is the rush right now? I mean, that's what I, I mean, is there a rush to move this forward? I mean, what is the rush? What's behind this? I mean, that there's an urgency for us to approve this.

[4:13:55] Well, I would just address it this way.

[4:13:58] currently our code is not fully compliant with state law and how this got brought to my attention

[4:14:07] was we had issued citations to a couple of vendors and the court commissioner had indicated and

[4:14:14] threw them out because we weren't compliant in their mind on the sections we were citing them for

[4:14:20] So, you know, it brings us into compliance from the code and I think everybody agrees we have to have an operational code from that process. So again, you know, the council can always as it sees how this works through and that's saying that because I think you're always will have very emotional comments.

[4:14:49] comments, but you can always come back and see six months or a year after how this code

[4:14:55] is playing out from that. I was watching actually...

[4:15:00] The city of San Jose, which is not a very progressive city from that standpoint. And they had asked staff to come back in a year. And so I was watching the video of them coming back after a year to say what, you know, how was it going? What issues changes that staff would do. And so they had just completed that.

[4:15:29] a couple of weeks ago, that review and changes from that process.

[4:15:34] So we could always come back and make a report of what's happened out in the field,

[4:15:39] what are we observed, and so forth from that.

[4:15:42] But I think the biggest thing from our concern is we have been put on notice

[4:15:46] that our ordinance isn't fully compliant with state law at this point.

[4:15:51] And we should get as close to compliance as we can so that everybody knows

[4:15:55] what the rules are going forward from that.

[4:15:59] And then just to add, if we wanted to make any recommendations on the actual structure

[4:16:07] of what the ordinance would be, including the fingerprinting as part of the licensing fee,

[4:16:14] any adjustments to the feet from whatever street side or location, we would have to do it

[4:16:23] now so that that way it would be able to be read as requested and then be able to be brought back.

[4:16:32] Just wanted to clarify that.

[4:16:34] Yeah, the other than very minor changes,

[4:16:39] a any kind of revision of the ordinance as it sits right now would need to have it be reintroduced

[4:16:46] as a subsequent meeting.

[4:16:51] Well, with that, I'd like to go ahead and make a motion to

[4:16:54] to approve the ordinance with the adjustment that we include and they're they're not being

[4:17:02] additional cost fingerprinting to the business license to that process that being incurred

[4:17:08] as part of the total business license and that is the only requirement and I would say that

[4:17:17] you know, just to make sure that it's like against its operation, that's an operational thing.

[4:17:21] make sure it's all taken care of in one location and not having to make the three-vendor jump to the loops.

[4:17:29] So I'll wait for, if there's a second.

[4:17:32] Yeah, sorry about that.

[4:17:34] Can we discuss at this point?

[4:17:38] Mr. Vice-Mayor, you need a, there's a motion made.

[4:17:41] You need to have a second in order to have discussion.

[4:17:45] All right, so for the purposes of having discussion, I'm going to second that.

[4:17:50] I would like to see though the reduction from 500 feet. I think that is a little bit too.

[4:17:56] I agree with that. We'll be reducing that. So, again, the 500 feet, if I'm not mistaken, is for

[4:18:04] stationary, stationary vending, not roaming. It's roaming, they can be across the street from the

[4:18:10] call. They can be first.

[4:18:17] They could roam around schools, but but not the stationery is 500, right?

[4:18:23] Well, as Jim explained, this currently as written would apply to roaming too. So you

[4:18:30] would have to add a disclaimer for roaming from that process. So if I could ask, let me

[4:18:39] start. So if the fees for photographs and fingerprints is the motion that the council member made, so under section 8

[4:18:53] to 16, there is a sentence that says, read this paragraph just for the record, applicant shall submit a photograph of the applicant to complete set of applicant fingerprints.

[4:19:10] fingerprints, the Southgate Police Department are designated thereof in a manner

[4:19:14] and form approved by the Southgate Police Department. Applicants shall pay any fees for

[4:19:19] photographs and fingerprints, so you would strike that sentence, that last sentence, if that's,

[4:19:25] it's on page 7 of 26.

[4:19:28] And if I can add, I don't believe we actually need to amend it to do with the Council's

[4:19:33] requesting, which is if the Council's requesting that it just be incorporated into the permit fee,

[4:19:38] The city can do that without having to change the language of the code.

[4:19:42] It's just the question of when we collect it and how we collect it.

[4:19:45] So if what the city wants is, if what the council wants is for us, just to say, okay,

[4:19:50] well, the permit fee is, and I don't remember the exact number, but let's assume it was $150.

[4:19:55] $50, and the fingerprint fee is $35, then we can just say, okay, you-

[4:20:00] We will owe $185 all at the same time. That's something that can be done without having to modify the ordinance. Well, I think for clarity purposes, Jim, I would go ahead and delete that sentence. The requirement for fingerprinting and photographs is still required. And we would just pay administratively any costs that are occurred by the state. But that would be clear for the public that there isn't

[4:20:29] a separate fee being asked for fingerprints.

[4:20:34] And I think that that's what the council is trying to communicate is in writing also

[4:20:39] make it as clear as possible from that standpoint.

[4:20:43] Right, and thank you to the manager for that clarification.

[4:20:46] So with the 500 foot level, does that apply to neighborhoods too?

[4:20:54] I mean, being in the neighborhood, is that applied for schools, the 500 feet?

[4:20:58] No, it's specifically for schools to approve.

[4:21:01] Well, let me have Jim explain.

[4:21:03] Stationary aren't allowed in residential neighborhoods.

[4:21:07] Anyway, so roaming is permitted from that standpoint.

[4:21:14] So the 500 foot level or trying to get to it.

[4:21:23] It

[4:21:29] would be in section 10 of the ordinance.

[4:21:31] So it's on page 19 of 26

[4:21:37] has to do with O, the letter O section, which is about three

[4:21:47] paragraphs above the bottom of the page there.

[4:21:49] It says upon any sidewalk in the city that is within 500 feet of the nearest property

[4:21:54] line of any property in which school building or playground is located irrespective of where

[4:21:59] the school or playground is located in the city between the hours of 6 a.m. and 6 p.m. on any school day

[4:22:08] from that.

[4:22:11] So if you're going to modify that, that's the section you're focusing in on.

[4:22:21] It's interesting enough. It seems like most of the vendors are in the evening, and that's I guess to

[4:22:25] kind of avoid that, right? I mean, that's what I'm thinking. Right. So school is usually well out by

[4:22:33] six p.m. at a night and I haven't seen any street bending before 6 a.m. from that but again

[4:22:42] school starts people may be starting especially high school I don't know if you have early periods

[4:22:47] here in Southgate so some schools start at 6 a.m. or 6 30 for early period from that 7 30 oh I know of

[4:22:59] the school district that starts early, but I won't touch.

[4:23:03] And then also just, I'm sorry, James.

[4:23:08] Jim, if we can just have a clarification

[4:23:12] on what the ordinance is regarding the distance for parks

[4:23:17] and that 500 foot, it's also for stationary locations

[4:23:22] or is it 100 foot for parks?

[4:23:25] It's 100 feet and it would be applicable

[4:23:27] to both a roaming and stationery.

[4:23:30] Okay, so again, I think this is one of those things that maybe we can just rethink.

[4:23:40] Let's remove any of the-

[4:23:43] I'm sorry, and just to clarify, that is with respect to- let me apologize- it is with

[4:23:50] respect to stationery sidewalk vendors and again only in those parks where the city has

[4:23:56] the exclusive agreement with a concessionaire, so that limitation does not apply to any other

[4:24:02] park within the city, but it is only applicable to stationary sidewalk vendors for those two

[4:24:09] particular parks that we currently have, but any other one that the city might get an exclusive

[4:24:15] concession agreement with.

[4:24:23] Yeah, I wanted to just ask, you know, what the council thinks regarding

[4:24:29] that distance from the parks for stationary locations.

[4:24:34] I know, for instance, you know,

[4:24:37] one of the biggest concerns that I have is our park,

[4:24:39] especially Southgate Park,

[4:24:41] is one of the most populated parks in the Celia area.

[4:24:44] It has a lot of people just running around,

[4:24:46] you know, running around it in the evening,

[4:24:49] you know, using the park to facilitate, you know,

[4:24:52] their parties and just taking their kids.

[4:24:55] Now, if we have a street vendor directly across the street,

[4:25:00] You know, and traffic is being stopped. Again, those are all safety concerns that I have that will when we have something, you know, so close to location. Now, again, we're not restricting the roaming cards to be able to walk through the pathways of the park. Any any pathway in the park to be able to sell the same rule applies like we did with the if we do make the change for the school area where as long as they're stopped.

[4:25:29] make their sale and then continue moving and as people come up and purchase things, they stop again. I mean, that's the kind of

[4:25:38] you know, safe ordinance or safety first approach that I want to take when we do this because again, we need to be able to be cautious of

[4:25:49] the number of participants or residents and actually just patrons that come to our park from all over Sela to

[4:25:56] to run around in the free space.

[4:26:04] So just for clarity purposes, can we break that into two?

[4:26:09] So we have the school requests that I've heard from the vice mayor.

[4:26:13] You have one, I think you want clarity on part distances.

[4:26:17] So if we can break that because I do want to refer from the ordinance

[4:26:22] with sections we're talking about from that standpoint.

[4:26:25] So the school one, as I said, is on page 19 of 26.

[4:26:36] So if there is a motion or a sub-motion to adjust that.

[4:26:43] I just want to know.

[4:26:45] I'm fine with that amendment.

[4:26:47] And you did mention.

[4:26:48] Sorry.

[4:26:49] Let me just just for clarification.

[4:26:51] What are we amending?

[4:26:53] Which item?

[4:26:56] Oh, on page 19 of 26 on the proposed ordinance in the staff.

[4:27:07] And just to be clear, the proposal is to reduce it from 500 to how much?

[4:27:12] Now, for oh, it's only to remove the stationary, I mean, sorry,

[4:27:18] the, the, the roaming cart from the ordinance, right?

[4:27:24] But that's what our discussion that we're going to allow the roaming ones around the school, but it's just the stationary ones that we still would think that would have to be outside of that scope.

[4:27:35] So then we just need to specify that it's only for stationary.

[4:27:38] Right.

[4:27:38] So just adding that verbage stationary only.

[4:27:46] Again, you should take a motion on if you helpful, if you took individual motions so that we knew so so we do each one like for instance the one that I brought up regarding the the license fee and the fingerprint fee should we do that's that really it would help.

[4:28:01] I have already one motion and you have a second.

[4:28:03] Okay, so that's one.

[4:28:04] So do we do a roll call on that?

[4:28:06] I would do a roll call and make a motion in a second.

[4:28:09] OK, so just for clarification, I'm

[4:28:12] making a motion to include or actually

[4:28:16] wave the fingerprint fee and just charge the light.

[4:28:20] We'll still require the fingerprints and the photo,

[4:28:23] but we're only collecting the license and the permit fee.

[4:28:28] So for clarity, just for this is under section 16.

[4:28:35] Section 8, D2, 16, we would delete the sentence that says applicant shall pay any fees for

[4:28:44] for the rest of the things that would be the motion. I think I'm hearing the councilman.

[4:28:49] And we had a motion in a second.

[4:28:53] Yeah, second.

[4:28:54] in that. Okay. And then I'll call the, uh, before we do roll call, let me

[4:28:58] several quick. Concert there. Right.

[4:29:06] There's no protest. Yeah. What are they saying?

[4:29:19] What are they saying?

[4:29:46] Just for clarity purposes,

[4:29:52] just for clarity, you can get other

[4:29:54] fingerprints from third parties outside the city here. So this just reflects that

[4:30:00] If they come here to the city, PD, to get fingerprinted, that we're not, that fee is being rolled up into that. So we wouldn't be paying them if they got from Jeffers, travel agency and the passport, you know, whatever it is. That's still on them, but if they get it through us, then the fee is being incorporated. So it would be something we would add in our brochure. Right. You know, if you get through us. Right. That fee was wasted. That's just the procedural clear.

[4:30:29] Okay. We want to make sure everybody understands.

[4:30:35] We'll hold on for a minute or another consult.

[4:31:02] So the motion and the second is strike that sentence as I read into the record.

[4:31:10] Roll call.

[4:31:11] Council Member Barron.

[4:31:13] Yes.

[4:31:14] Council Member Davila.

[4:31:16] Council Member Teos.

[4:31:20] Are we voting just on the motion?

[4:31:22] I need point of clarification. We're voting here.

[4:31:24] Your voting on section eight.

[4:31:26] D.

[4:31:27] Yes.

[4:31:27] Yes. Yes. Yes.

[4:31:29] Mayor, I'm sorry, vice mayor follow. Yes.

[4:31:32] Mayor Aloes. Yes.

[4:31:35] Motion passes.

[4:31:37] What is your second motion?

[4:31:41] Hold on.

[4:31:43] Sorry.

[4:31:45] Second motion.

[4:31:46] Oh, well, the second one has to deal with.

[4:31:51] I follow.

[4:31:52] Well,

[4:31:55] we just that with. Oh, so the next one has to do with the 500 foot.

[4:32:02] That's oh, oh, I'm sorry. Thank you on page 19 of 26. So the intent would be to add that this is applicable to stationary vendors and somehow we'll word it either for stationary sidewalk vendors upon any sidewalk that a dollar or something like that somewhere but that's the motion.

[4:32:30] motion.

[4:32:49] So Jim are you still with us at this late hour?

[4:32:57] Yes I am. So we

[4:33:05] want to say for sidewalk

[4:33:08] Vendee upon or sidewalk vending permit for stationary.

[4:33:15] For stationary.

[4:33:16] I'm sorry, stationary, what sidewalk vendor upon any.

[4:33:21] Where would you insert that in O?

[4:33:36] We could stick it as a parenthetical at the end and just say as applied to stationary sidewalk vendors only.

[4:33:42] Okay.

[4:34:03] Okay, so we had a we had a motion, but we still had I made that motion, but we still don't have a second for that motion.

[4:34:13] So you want to reiterate your motion again.

[4:34:16] So this would be the O would now read upon any sidewalk in the city that is within 500 feet of the nearest property line of any property on which school building or playground is located.

[4:34:32] here.

[4:34:32] The school is located between the

[4:34:37] 6 a.m. and 6 p.m.

[4:34:39] of any school day, as applied to

[4:34:41] stationary sidewalk, vendor,

[4:34:45] point of clear because I think

[4:34:47] it will impact one of our vendors

[4:34:49] that's right there on rio and I

[4:34:50] think that's when you said that's

[4:34:52] legal because that would be

[4:34:53] close to the school.

[4:34:54] I'm sorry that it that would impact one of the vendors that's on right

[4:35:05] I don't believe that the current sidewalk vendors have been approved for specific locations. So he hasn't been granted a license for a specific location at this time. He's been approved for vending, but not at a specific location.

[4:35:25] So, but he is also in violation because he's right at the corner so with this code, he would have to move down 25 feet. So there's other limitations that may impact him from that standpoint.

[4:35:43] Okay.

[4:35:44] Anyway, that's how if that's the intent of the council, that's how that section would read.

[4:35:54] Yes, that is my motion.

[4:35:59] There's a motion on a second.

[4:36:01] Council member Barron.

[4:36:03] Yes.

[4:36:03] Council member Davila.

[4:36:05] Council member Ríos.

[4:36:08] I'm not sure on that.

[4:36:09] I'll stay up staying on that one.

[4:36:11] By the mayor's dad.

[4:36:12] Yes.

[4:36:13] Mayor Abelus.

[4:36:14] Yes.

[4:36:17] So the next topic that I've heard is under on page 15 of 26,

[4:36:22] really relating to number three additional operating requirements in parks, so I don't know there was some talk about a hundred foot.

[4:36:33] Topics, so that's under both three A and three B.

[4:36:42] Can we, and this is a question, can we restricted to areas not actually on the sidewalk of the park and just say it would be across the street.

[4:36:56] It would have to be on the other side of the street only because I'm saying those sidewalks are used by a lot of joggers, runners on a daily basis, and I don't want to open it up to have a stationary location right on the park runway, I would say.

[4:37:15] If the council wanted to do that, my recommendation will probably be to reduce the amount to 50 feet, which would likely be approximately across the street.

[4:37:23] and the rationale is most street widths are about 60 feet we can talk about parking and with the lanes right now the hundred foot they would be across the street.

[4:37:37] Okay.

[4:37:38] They wouldn't be on the sidewalk butting Southgate Park for example from that standpoint.

[4:37:44] May I just ask a quick question Jim.

[4:37:47] I just want to make sure that you're aware that across the street is on residential.

[4:37:52] no. So stationary, if that's the case for that particular park, stationary sidewalk vendors

[4:37:58] can't be in a residential zone anyways. And then roaming sidewalk vendors could be there,

[4:38:05] but roaming sidewalk vendors are not subject to this 100-foot. And then requirement anyways.

[4:38:11] On the north side of the park, that property is underneath the, I don't want to say antiseptic

[4:38:19] department of water, right? Electrical. So, there's still not allowed to operate on that area.

[4:38:27] That's private. Not on private property, no. So, okay. But if there's a public sidewalk in front

[4:38:32] of that private property, and it were outside whatever distance requirement the council imposes,

[4:38:40] then they would be able to operate on the sidewalk, but not on the Edison property.

[4:38:50] But again, that sidewalk is couldn't accommodate because it's not at least eight feet wide.

[4:39:00] So I mean, could we just just make it as simple as possible?

[4:39:03] Just say that there's no stationary, you know, bending anywhere within, I mean, because anywhere within 50 feet of that, it's all residential or

[4:39:16] or not a private property around the park.

[4:39:21] So I guess what I'm wondering is

[4:39:23] are we wasting our time to create a section of ordinance

[4:39:26] that really is not applicable regardless?

[4:39:30] If you don't have that section,

[4:39:32] then a stationary sidewalk vendor could potentially operate

[4:39:35] on the sidewalk immediately outside

[4:39:36] and adjacent to the parks.

[4:39:41] So the goal is to allow those sidewalks to be free and clear

[4:39:46] for people as you've indicated who might be jogging or doing something else that's

[4:39:50] recreation related to the park, then you would need to include some additional buffer,

[4:39:55] Right?

[4:39:56] Whether it's 25 feet, 50 feet, 100 feet, but...

[4:40:00] But there would have to be some additional buffer.

[4:40:04] So I think the hundred feet accomplishes the concern I'm hearing from you. So they aren't right on that path that's well traveled from joggers and walkers from that process. From that. But yeah, I guess I just want to make sure we we're not extending that further than we really need to. And I think.

[4:40:29] I think I agree with the with the gym about the gym. Sorry. Yes, it is. That's why with the 50 feet making it at least past the initial sidewalk.

[4:40:47] So I like to make a motion to to address or amend that section of the ordinance to be 50 feet.

[4:41:01] So Jim is that a or b or both that would be subsection a so it'd be subsection 3a.

[4:41:10] Can you provide a page 915 of 26.

[4:41:15] Thank you.

[4:41:19] So currently it says stationary sidewalk vendors are prohibited from operating within

[4:41:23] any portion of the city park or any sidewalk within 100 feet of the city park which the city

[4:41:29] as signed an agreement for concessions that permit for the sale of merchandise of food exclusively by a concessionaire.

[4:41:40] So what you're proposing is to change that to 50 feet even though, even though it's changed, it's still residential, which means that they could not.

[4:41:49] That's what I mean.

[4:41:51] There's no point.

[4:41:52] It's me.

[4:41:53] There's no point for it.

[4:41:55] No.

[4:41:57] There's no point.

[4:42:05] It's for stationary.

[4:42:08] Which is all residential.

[4:42:13] Go ahead.

[4:42:15] It's just, you know, we deal with ordinances every single day.

[4:42:18] So it would help staff if we were clear in our language.

[4:42:23] So if we do want to have a distance, you know, from, let's say, a certain edge, we should state it in our ordinance.

[4:42:30] So there's no room for misinterpretation or multi interpretation of the code.

[4:42:34] Well, no, we're leaving it with 100 feet because even if we change it to 50.

[4:42:39] across the street it's residential so there's no point in changing it so we're leaving that we're leaving it alone. Thank you.

[4:42:47] Thank you.

[4:42:59] So what are the wishes of council with the remainder of the ordinance?

[4:43:05] Is there a yes you made two motions to make modifications.

[4:43:10] I'm

[4:43:13] sorry, so so I made a motion regarding the 50 foot at nobody's second it died because even at 50 foot, it wouldn't make a difference to so the only two changes I've heard is for the spinger print and for that and

[4:43:39] would this be an appropriate time to you know, I know Mr. Barron if you don't mind.

[4:43:46] Yes, just I want to clarify that would be for stationary the 100 feet

[4:43:53] That's correct

[4:43:55] but B deals with

[4:43:58] Roaming right Jim

[4:44:00] Correct B deals with vendors inside of the park being a certain distance away from

[4:44:06] Certain types of recreational

[4:44:09] Facilities such as but you know baseball diamonds basketball courts tennis courts while they're in use

[4:44:15] also prohibits them from being within that distance of 100 feet of restrooms of

[4:44:20] other concession. So if you have a concession location at any park, whether it's

[4:44:25] you know run by little league or by whoever else, they would have to stay a hundred

[4:44:29] feet away from that. So from restrooms from concession locations as well as from

[4:44:33] playgrounds inside of the park or play areas and baseball diamonds in fields,

[4:44:39] courts, pitches, while they're in use. So those are within the park whereas A

[4:44:44] was within the park plus beyond for the stationery.

[4:44:49] Thank you. So just for clarification, I just want to make sure. So Mr. Vado, is this the one you were wanting to change to 50 feet in comparison to?

[4:45:00] First one. No, it was just a stationary one. I wanted just to address that portion of it first, which is Section A,

[4:45:11] which died for a lack of seconds. Which died for a lack of seconds. We can.

[4:45:21] Are we still moving on?

[4:45:27] Well, we did talk. You said the brochure. Are we doing anything else to kind of inform the vendors or educate the vendors a little bit more other than the brochures.

[4:45:40] or anything. Well I think as I mentioned I do plan to look at doing some sort of video

[4:45:50] process as I think as I mentioned to a couple of cities I think did a pretty good job of

[4:45:55] helping walking that through. Certainly whatever ordinance gets adopted we're going to have

[4:46:00] internal training so as people come in especially the business licensary we will help them

[4:46:06] You know, explain what is required and how to get that process through. And, you know, who they need to go see internally, but also just as important external.

[4:46:20] So where you need to go to the state to get a seller's permit, where you need to go to the county health department to get whatever permits you need from them that process.

[4:46:31] So we will have staff trained to answer those questions as they go through.

[4:46:40] Thank you.

[4:46:40] And if there's anything else council can come up with, we're all ears to hear about how we can help make it as clear and as easy as possible from that process.

[4:46:51] And if I may, I'd just like to discuss section three again, but now item B regarding the 100 feet from any field playgrounds, restaurants, any concession areas.

[4:47:07] I like to discuss that.

[4:47:10] Currently, we're seeing, you know, roaming vendors throughout the park.

[4:47:16] Right. We're seeing that on a daily basis.

[4:47:20] So it's happening.

[4:47:22] Let's just help them get permitted.

[4:47:25] Help them receive the business license.

[4:47:28] And make that happen.

[4:47:30] I don't think we need to restrict the distance from any area.

[4:47:35] I think.

[4:47:37] Again, it's just.

[4:47:39] I'm not understanding why there's that restriction.

[4:47:42] Unless there's a from other council members.

[4:47:44] is why they would want to restrict any of this area.

[4:47:49] So typically, I'm sorry, go ahead.

[4:47:52] Go ahead, I'm sorry.

[4:47:53] I was gonna say is that typically the reason you're keeping

[4:47:55] them away from fields and courts and pitches and the like

[4:48:01] where the games are going on is so that they don't interfere

[4:48:05] with the activities that are already going on,

[4:48:07] that they're not creating more of a congestion in an area

[4:48:10] where potentially parents may want to come and sit down

[4:48:13] and watch their kids play, but they can't because locations

[4:48:15] are being taken up by vendors and their lines of customers and the light so that you don't end up

[4:48:20] with a line that ends up interfering onto the court, the pitch, the field. So that's typically

[4:48:26] with respect to that. Obviously, the distance from restrooms, same thing. We don't want a line of

[4:48:31] people who are purchasing from a vendor right outside of a restroom facility that kids may want to

[4:48:37] use but may not be able to get through or get by or you know we don't want people standing around.

[4:48:42] same thing with the playground area.

[4:48:45] So these are the reasons why typically there is a distance requirement from those sort

[4:48:49] of facilities to provide basically a buffer to allow the activities that are supposed

[4:48:55] to be going on on those fields and pitches and courts inside the restrooms at the playgrounds

[4:49:00] to allow those to still be able to occur without interruption by sidewalk learning sort of activities.

[4:49:10] Yeah, thank you for that clarification. I still want to just have that discussion because I think we're seeing it currently happen there in the park. They're operating throughout the playground area, especially, you know, it's happening already.

[4:49:27] So I think the approach that we should take is not to restrict that or make it harder

[4:49:32] for them to operate there, but to help them get their business license, help them get their permits,

[4:49:37] and let them operate within the grounds of that permit.

[4:49:40] And then just like it's a roaming cart so they can go through the park.

[4:49:45] And if they're stopping, I'm pretty sure they're not going to.

[4:49:48] Be applies to station, be applies to stationery as well.

[4:49:52] So, but we wouldn't allow a stationary in our in our current part, right?

[4:49:57] Well, again, you're you're talking the one.

[4:50:00] Once where we are legally allowed to prohibit stationary is only in parts where you have the exclusive agreement. So if you have other parts for which we do not have the exclusive agreement, we cannot prohibit stationary sidewalk vendors at those locations. But the sidewalk is the actual sidewalk of the park. Any paved walkway within the park where they can also still provide for ADA accessibility or any paved area within the park.

[4:50:28] So some parts happen to have, you know, a larger paved areas that may not necessarily be.

[4:50:35] They're part of a walkway, but they might be part of some other component of the park.

[4:50:39] So I'm not familiar with every single one of the parts that you guys have.

[4:50:43] But it would be any paved area within that park so long as they can still provide for ADA accessibility.

[4:50:50] So, Jim, could we also add language here then that says effort will only to stationery sidewalk vendors? Yes.

[4:51:03] So roaming would be excluded from that. And roaming is not an issue there at the park, right?

[4:51:08] I can answer that. The answer is no.

[4:51:10] That every vendor that I've ever seen at the park knows how to move out of the way knows how to stay out of the way. That's not a problem. So remove that hundred foot thing. Well, I think you just add to be within park as applied.

[4:51:30] the same language used previously,

[4:51:35] as applied to stationary sidewalk vendors

[4:51:41] only.

[4:51:46] Is that what you're saying? Yeah, and the hundred foot thing is removed

[4:51:51] for roaming. Yes. Okay. That's your motion? Yes, that's fine. I'll second that.

[4:51:58] There's a motion.

[4:52:09] We're going to, okay, I'm sorry.

[4:52:14] I mean, you saw me type that message.

[4:52:17] City clerk, how long it took me?

[4:52:22] All

[4:52:25] right, so B would now read,

[4:52:27] in order to protect the health and safety and welfare,

[4:52:30] sidewalk vendors, pay trends and other persons frequently,

[4:52:34] frequenting or using the services available at a park

[4:52:37] and to ensure the public's use and enjoyment

[4:52:39] of natural resources and recreational opportunities

[4:52:43] within the park.

[4:52:43] sidewalk vendors shall not then within 100 feet

[4:52:51] 100 feet Chris I think we can

[4:52:54] just add in the word stationary before sidewalk vendors and then you just

[4:52:58] leave it at that because it sounds like that's what council wants to do right so

[4:53:05] if the last portion of it says opportunities within a park comma stationary

[4:53:10] sidewalk vendors shall not then within

[4:53:18] okay does that make sense yeah it does thank

[4:53:23] Thank you, Jim.

[4:53:24] In order to protect the health and safety and welfare of sidewalk vendors, patrons and

[4:53:29] other persons frequenting or using the services available at the park, and to ensure the

[4:53:34] public's use and enjoyment of natural resources and recreational opportunities within the park.

[4:53:40] Stationary sidewalk vendors shall not vend within 100 feet of the following locations within

[4:53:45] the park.

[4:53:46] And then it goes on to list 1, 2, 3, 4.

[4:53:52] Is that you, Mr. Shen, Council Member, on?

[4:53:54] Yes, that is my motion.

[4:53:55] Okay, so there's a motion and a second,

[4:53:57] Madame City Clerk, roll call for you.

[4:53:59] Council Member Barron.

[4:54:00] Yes.

[4:54:01] Council Member Davila.

[4:54:03] Council Member Heos.

[4:54:04] Yes.

[4:54:05] I'm sorry.

[4:54:06] Yes.

[4:54:07] Yes.

[4:54:08] Vice Mayor Zado.

[4:54:09] Yes.

[4:54:10] Mayor Avalos.

[4:54:11] Yes.

[4:54:16] So is there any other discussion points on the proposed ordinance

[4:54:20] than the ones that have been raised and acted upon?

[4:54:24] I think the only other one that I would like to just clarify

[4:54:27] is, you know, at least out events example, the street fairs, any, anything, you know,

[4:54:40] what's the other thing that we do, you know, we do the fairs at the park, the Tweety Mile Fair,

[4:54:47] the fairs of Australia, you know, all those events, car shows, you know, things

[4:54:54] of that sort. What is our current order in saying that we can, what is it?

[4:55:02] So if I can direct your attention to subsection and it reads that within 500 feet, and that's the one that deals with farmers markets and SWATmates, but it also says that an area designated for use pursuant to a temporary special permit. So it sounds like if I'm understanding the types of events you're talking about, those might be things for which a temporary special event permit or something of that nature has been issued.

[4:55:28] at which point the five-hundreds-foot would apply.

[4:55:32] So that is on page 19 of 26, and he references in as a Nancy.

[4:55:54] Does that answer your question?

[4:55:55] Don't remember, Bill?

[4:55:57] Yes.

[4:55:58] So I guess then I would just ask council your thoughts on it.

[4:56:06] Because I think that's the only other one that is, I think,

[4:56:10] being brought up by some of our residents.

[4:56:14] Yeah, so it's the number N, which is within 500 feet of any permitted certified

[4:56:23] barms market permitted swap meets or designated area with a temporary special use permit.

[4:56:29] Like for example, the tweeting mile street fair or the azalea festival at the park.

[4:56:35] Any of those permitted events, the car show, you know, and for the council's information.

[4:56:42] And these are three things that are specifically spelled out in SB 946 that the city has the authority to prohibit sidewalk vending within the immediate area surrounding these types of events.

[4:56:55] And they're specifically spelled out by state law as certified farmers markets, special events and permitted swap mates.

[4:57:03] And I think the state's rationale behind that was those types of events already have people who are subject to lots of different regulations already, whether it's because there's certified farmers markets or their permitted swap meets and it would be inappropriate to allow

[4:57:23] sidewalk vendors to come in subject to less regulations at those specific locations.

[4:57:28] So all we're doing is we're just specifically spelling out what state law authorizes that specifically discusses in SB 946 and we're incorporating that into the local law.

[4:57:39] And again, that is also something that we're not changing that already currently exists in our current municipal code.

[4:57:46] We're just switching section numbers for it.

[4:58:03] would now be an appropriate time to entertain a motion to adopt the ordinance as

[4:58:09] amended, introduce the ordinance. Thank you. As amended, I'll

[4:58:18] make that motion.

[4:58:22] Second.

[4:58:24] Council member Varron.

[4:58:27] Yes.

[4:58:27] Council member Davila.

[4:58:29] Council member Teos.

[4:58:34] I'm working with my colleagues. I'll go ahead. I'll go. Yes.

[4:58:46] Thank

[4:58:50] you Madam City clerk and again I just want to thank the audience that was in council chambers as well as everyone that is still on zoom.

[4:59:03] Again, we need to follow state mandates with

[4:59:09] that is their emotion to adjourn.

[4:59:11] If I could just add, I know it's late, but I do want to give you guys credit.

[4:59:15] I did think that tonight you heard themes of concerns, and you have modified the

[4:59:22] proposed ordinance to address that, so whoever may be listening still at this hour.

[4:59:30] You did, you know, I do want to point that out that concerns were heard by the council and

[4:59:39] address process as represented by the three motions to amend its ordinance from that process.

[4:59:48] Plus, we have heard and talked about how do we make it a process where we can educate potential applicants.

[4:59:58] and so...

[5:00:00] We will be working on that, and hopefully, we may have a draft of that type of brochure ready by the time we talk about this again, but I just want to give you guys some credit. You did hear many of the things that were being conveyed tonight, and hopefully, you know, that doesn't go without saying from that. So, thank you. And I do want to give a shout out again to the police department. I think they did a wonderful job.

[5:00:29] of handling which is always a difficult situation.

[5:00:36] No, I just want to say thank you to staff, thank my colleagues.

[5:00:40] I think what I learned so much about this in this process, we have spent a lot of hours

[5:00:44] on this issue today and previously and it's not an easy issue to deal with and I just want

[5:00:50] to thank everybody that has comments and shared their views and let's move forward.

[5:00:57] So motion to adjourn, so move that 1031. Thank you, Madam City Clerk, can I take

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