[0:10] I'd like to welcome you to our council meeting this January the 24th, 2019, and the interest of time, efficiency, ensuring that everyone who wishes to address the council has given the opportunity to do so, the following will apply to all comments made by the public. If you desire to be recognized by the chair, please fill out a request form and present it to the city clerk present here in the council chambers. Each speaker shall be allotted three minutes to address the council.

[0:36] Let's unless that's time is extended by the mayor or by questions from council group shall designate a spokesperson to avoid repetition of comments every effort will be made to avoid interrupting speakers.

[0:48] Thank you for participating in your city government and we ask that you please sign all your electronic devices with that I call this meeting order.

[0:59] I'd like for us to stand for our invocation.

[1:03] Our invocation will be given by Bishop Sam Hott from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after which, if you'll please remain standing, for our pledge and I'd like to ask Councilman Cooper if you'll lead us in our pledge.

[1:17] Our Father in Heaven, we bow our heads before the this evening in gratitude for all that that was blessed us with.

[1:22] we thank thee for the wonderful city that we reside in and we call home we thank thee for the

[1:29] rain we've received and for the many blessings that we have being a part of this community and we

[1:35] ask thee this time to please bless us with thy spirit to have good judgment understanding and and help

[1:44] to make important decisions we ask thee to bless our leaders and those concerned members of our

[1:49] community they're here to help and we also ask special blessing upon our youth that they'll be

[1:54] led and guided and helped to make good choices in their everyday lives. We love thee and we pray

[1:59] for these things in the name of Jesus Christ, amen. Thank you, Pastor Hawke.

[2:19] Thank you. We've seated.

[2:25] Madam Clerk, if you'll call the roll. Mayor Blackwell.

[2:28] Here. Deputy Mayor Muthini. Here. Councilmember Cooper. Here. Councilmember I ask you. Here.

[2:34] Councilmember Trace. Here.

[2:47] First, we have a presentation of Employee of the Month by Rick

[2:52] Morrow.

[2:56] There you are.

[3:09] Good evening. Leslie Klein has been nominated for Employee of the Month

[3:14] for his dedication and commitment to the public services lines division.

[3:18] Around six months ago, the lines division had lost our crew lead for our construction side,

[3:24] and Leslie had offered to take charge of this crew, and also keep up with the maintenance side, which he's crew lead of.

[3:31] During this period, we also lost our lead worker on maintenance.

[3:34] Leslie had continued to keep both of our divisions going.

[3:38] With Leslie's dedication and commitment to the city, he kept our division afloat.

[3:43] He's never complained and is provided a high quality of service to our customers.

[3:48] I think congratulations.

[3:59] Well, we thank you so much for your dedication and all of your work, and I think we'd like to get a picture of that.

[4:24] Second,

[4:29] we have another presentation and recognition of Stephen Jarvis' retirement, also by Mr. Morrow.

[4:46] Steve Jarvis has been with the city for 15 years now.

[4:50] He's taken on our role as our fire hydrant technician for the past 11 and a half years.

[4:55] He services approximately 1,100 hydrants that we currently have in our system.

[5:00] Steve is very serious when it comes to the hydrants.

[5:02] He actually refers to him as his little buddies.

[5:07] He has a passion for his little buddies and he keeps a high standard for the reliability and

[5:11] for their operations.

[5:13] She's been a great asset to the public services, lines division, and we greatly missed.

[5:19] Steve's also a proud veteran in the US military servant 22 years in the Navy.

[5:24] Steve, congratulations.

[5:34] Well, second retirement, I've been really blessed, and I just have to thank my wife Boniface

[5:40] Shea back here for her support.

[5:42] I can't give me out the door every day at 5 o'clock in the morning to get over here and take

[5:46] care of business.

[5:46] I also want to thank Diana, my director for her support.

[5:51] Rick has really been the backbone of our division.

[5:54] I want to thank Lesley Klein back here as my crew leader for giving me everything I need to do the job.

[5:59] But, you know, hydrants are real important.

[6:02] They not only save property, but they save lives and I was really, really interested in taking care of those for you all.

[6:08] And I just hope the next person that fills my shoes has the same dedication.

[6:12] Thank you very much.

[7:11] The next portion of tonight's agenda is our citizens forum.

[7:16] Any person who desires to comment on any item not in this agenda is provided this opportunity to address the city council.

[7:23] Each person is requested to complete a signing form to be provided to the presiding officer prior to as soon as it's practical thereafter.

[7:30] The person addresses the council.

[7:32] When you come forward, please state your name and address for the record and please limit your comments to three minutes.

[7:37] We also ask that you speak as close to the microphone as possible so that we can record it properly and translate it for our ADA's residents who may be watching.

[7:57] As you ask, Ms. Huett Crumpler?

[8:06] Good evening. He went Crumpler and Michigan Avenue, St. Claude Florida.

[8:10] I've got a couple items today. They're pretty serious.

[8:13] I'm hoping to keep us out of the news again. I'm just getting tired of being embarrassed.

[8:18] So I hope you'll be sincere and listen to my suggestions.

[8:22] This has to do with water and the also the treatment of our employees.

[8:27] I understand and I could be wrong, feel free to correct me.

[8:31] The city started a consulting firm for $49,000 tetratech,

[8:36] which brought in another firm called US Waters to do an evaluation of the water plants.

[8:42] After US Waters did that evaluation, they recommended that they could bring in their people

[8:47] get the water facilities back in order for additional $189,000 and we're still

[8:53] having resin problems with water plant number four. I know this is quite

[8:57] technical and I apologize for that. And resin at water plant number one is still

[9:03] fouling up and the city spent an additional $80,000 to get the plant back up and

[9:09] running because of a cost of $10,000 per tote of resin and you've got to have eight

[9:14] TOTES at a time. So that's a cost of $80,000 of resin which was thrown away because it's

[9:20] no good. And I think we're going to need another eight TOTES. And I'm told by some of the

[9:25] city workers that that's not going to work either and that's another $80,000 down the drain.

[9:29] So some people have the feeling that we're being fleeced by this firm. I think personally

[9:34] when a consultant comes in they should make recommendations but they shouldn't get the

[9:37] work. I personally believe that keeps them honest.

[9:41] I also think that when an employee has to deal with the consulting firm, they should

[9:45] be treated with respect at all times.

[9:48] I don't think it's appropriate, and I'm heard that this happened.

[9:51] Again, if you have evidence that I'm wrong, please bring it up.

[9:54] But I think we need a thorough outside investigation on this.

[9:58] I'm told that the person, the consultant, Mr. Perez, actually told our employees, here's

[10:03] God, here's me right below, and you don't talk to anybody else.

[10:07] Now, if anything close to that happened, I would fire that consultant that day, because

[10:13] I think that's totally inappropriate.

[10:15] So we need to have an outside investigation, not have the supervisor that's having to

[10:20] deal with this consulting firm investigating this kind of treatment.

[10:24] If it happened, we need to take corrective action.

[10:27] And Mr. Manzeris, I hope that you will recommend we have an outside firm look into it.

[10:31] I don't think this is appropriate, and I'm very upset about it, you can tell from my

[10:35] tone.

[10:36] I spent my whole career in HR, I've investigated a lot of claims, and this one's a no-brainer.

[10:42] You can get to the bottom this easily.

[10:44] So my suggestion is you've got the wrong consulting firm.

[10:47] Lastly, I'd like to see a historical accounting on how we got to where we are with the water situation.

[10:54] This is untenable.

[10:56] Thank you.

[10:58] Thank you, Mr. Crumple.

[11:02] I can assure you that issue is being thoroughly looked into and handled by our city manager's staff.

[11:10] That's not true, excuse me Mayor, may I address that?

[11:13] Yes, sir.

[11:13] There is an outside independent investigation going on.

[11:17] US water has come in and straighten out our plants and I'd like to know the person that brought that information because I want you to bring them in front of me like they're supposed to do according to our policy manual and I will deal with it.

[11:29] Thank you, sir.

[11:31] Mr. Panther, your information is inaccurate.

[11:35] Thank you.

[11:36] Okay, you did.

[11:37] You have anything else?

[11:38] No.

[11:39] I didn't mean to cut you off, I'm sorry.

[11:40] No, thank you.

[11:41] Good evening,

[11:50] Scott Banta, 97 Hickory Tree Road, Longwood, Florida.

[11:54] I'm here to request your indulgence on the Galleria for another extension.

[12:00] We're due to have the inspection period be finalized as of the 29th of the next week.

[12:08] And we won't be finished with the concept plan.

[12:11] We're now scheduled for February 14th in front of Yom for the finalization of the concept plan.

[12:18] And in today's capital markets, we're in the neighborhood of $22 million worth of acquisition and infrastructure with a build out value of over $250 million.

[12:29] So I'm finding that the time between the approval and receiving full funding is taken a little bit longer than we thought.

[12:40] So it would respectfully request that you extend our inspection period till March 28th.

[12:46] And we're out there diligently pursuing everything as we're trying to move this forward.

[12:53] As you know, this is a huge, beautiful project and we'd love to see it through.

[12:59] Thank you.

[13:02] Mr. Miseras.

[13:03] Sir, can you give us some counsel on this request that's been made here?

[13:07] Well, as Mr. Bantle pointed out, the due diligence period expires on the current contract, the due diligence period expires on January 29th, at which point there are additional deposit monies that have to be made in the event that the contract is not terminated by the buyer and whatever deposit or that the city has received on this contract become hard, non-refundable.

[13:32] The contract provisions have a provision in it that allows for the due diligence period to be extended for two periods of 30 days each upon additional payment of I think it's $10,000 per period.

[13:45] However, that extension carries with it that all deposits then are non-refundable.

[13:52] So in the real estate parlance, the money goes hard January 29th of the contract or the contract is terminated at the request of the buyer which they can do.

[14:01] The closing date, I don't think Mr. Banta has asked to change the closing date.

[14:04] The closing date still at this point remains no later than April 30th and I don't I think

[14:10] his request doesn't address changing that so you're still on that schedule for the closing

[14:16] of the property.

[14:17] So really the only issue before the council, if the council wishes to address it, is do

[14:20] you want to provide additional due diligence period that would allow the deposit money that's

[14:28] place to remain refundable.

[14:36] Council member Trace, the last time he came up and asked for an extension, we gave it

[14:40] to him, and I said it was the last time, and that's still my belief.

[14:44] So, money's got to go hard, January 29th.

[14:47] Okay.

[14:51] Any other comments from Council?

[14:54] Council member Cooper.

[14:55] I don't know if it's super.

[14:58] Trace I believe with the same...

[15:00] Same conviction, I would say that by the end of this month, by the end of the month, we need to go ahead and hard, hard money is there. So, Councilman, we're asking. What's Mr. Bannon, what if it goes hard, what's your feeling on this? Are you going to be able to continue to move forward? I don't believe we'd be able to continue to move forward. Nobody's going to risk the 50 that's up.

[15:28] And then another 135 was 185 prior to the concept plan being approved.

[15:34] Number one, and number two, it's just too fast of time.

[15:38] It's a big project.

[15:41] We're raising 22 million.

[15:43] So it's not just the purchase.

[15:46] Is there some provision we can put in place to continue the project?

[15:50] There is a provision.

[15:51] It's $10,000 additional for 30 more days.

[15:54] Yeah, and that would buy the additional due diligence period, but would the expense to the buyer to that is the deposit is now hard money and it's not refunded.

[16:06] Councilmember Trace.

[16:07] Sorry.

[16:10] Anything else?

[16:12] Councilmember Oscar?

[16:13] No.

[16:18] I don't think that you have the support of the council to grant the extension at this point.

[16:24] Okay, thank you.

[16:25] We have done it next week, so we're still working.

[16:36] Would anyone else like to speak during the Citizens Forum if

[16:46] not when we want to our consent agenda?

[16:52] The next portion of tonight's meeting is the consent agenda, which contains items that have been determined to be routine and non-controversial.

[17:03] If anyone in the audience wishes to address a particular item on the Consent Agenda, now is the opportunity for you to do so.

[17:10] Additionally, it's staff or members of the City Council wish to speak on a consent item.

[17:14] They have the same opportunity.

[17:19] Would anyone like to speak to the consent agenda?

[17:26] If not, do I have discussion and or motion by Council?

[17:29] Motion to approve.

[17:30] Second.

[17:31] We have a motion from Councilmember Muthini, a second from Councilmember Cooper, Madam

[17:36] Plurk.

[17:37] Deputy Mayor Muthini.

[17:39] Aye.

[17:39] Councilmember Cooper.

[17:41] Aye.

[17:41] Councilmember Asku.

[17:43] Aye.

[17:43] Councilmember Trace.

[17:44] Aye.

[17:45] Mayor Blackwell.

[17:46] Aye.

[17:46] Motion carries 5-0.

[17:48] Thank you.

[17:54] That brings us to public hearings.

[17:57] It

[18:00] has been requested that we begin, first of all, addressing items number six and seven because of some participants that are here, some young children, and so I've considered to do that unless there's any objections from me doing that.

[18:18] And Mr. Cooper has also requested that, so Madam Plurt, will you read items number six and seven?

[18:28] Resolution number 2019-012R, a resolution of the City Council of the City of St.

[18:33] Cloud Florida, granting conditional use to operate a Gymnastic Health Spa Facility at

[18:38] 1104 B Quotation Court, St. Cloud Florida, a described in the body of this resolution.

[18:45] Resolution number 2019-034R, a resolution of the City Council of the City of St.

[18:50] Cloud Florida, making a determination of parking spaces required for a Gymnastic Health Spa Facility,

[18:55] located at 11-04-B quotation court, St. Claude Florida, as described in the body of this resolution.

[19:02] Good evening, Andre Anderson, planning zoning director.

[19:05] This is a conditional use request for the property on quotation court to permit a

[19:14] gymnastics health staff facility, address 11-04-B quotation court.

[19:26] The current zoning is industrial, and the proposed zoning is industrial, and it's I-2.

[19:35] The land of them on code table 3-7 requires that properties within this area for

[19:41] that use be permitted as a conditional use.

[19:44] So it is a permitted use, but it has to have conditions if the council so chooses.

[19:50] The government is consistent with the general pattern in the area, and there are no adverse impacts to public facilities at this time.

[19:58] It's consistent with the strategic goals for growth management and economic development.

[20:02] And they are seeing staff at our meeting in December recommended approval of resolution 2019.

[20:07] Justice Year 112R and the Planning Commission at their meeting on January 15th also recommended approval based on the six factual matters in our Land of Women Code.

[20:19] that we ask that the City Council also recommends approval of this item.

[20:22] The applicant is here if you have any questions.

[20:26] Would the applicant like to speak to this item?

[20:32] Mr. Mayor, may I ask that we also read the second one?

[20:36] So because since they tend to get kind of blended together, but it's related.

[20:41] The parking, unless you have an objection to that.

[20:45] There are two items.

[20:46] Yes, we don't think we're just ready to move on.

[20:49] But I haven't talked about the second item yet.

[20:50] Okay, go ahead and comment on the second item, then we'll then wait for them to come in.

[20:55] I'm sorry, I thought you were done.

[20:57] Now, the second part is the parking determination, which is related to this item.

[21:03] Again, at the same location, 1104, the quotation court, and

[21:08] the code requires, based on the size of the facility, 13 parking spaces.

[21:13] And the applicant has to propose a parking determination request to have seven parking spaces

[21:20] is based on the fact that it's a one-on-one facility,

[21:23] and they would not have more than seven parking spaces

[21:26] need at any one time.

[21:29] Staff looked at it and agrees

[21:31] and doesn't have any objections

[21:33] to the proposal for seven parking spaces.

[21:37] When this, it's consistent with the growth management

[21:39] and economic development policies,

[21:41] and staff recommends approval,

[21:43] and when this item went before the planning commission,

[21:46] they voted three to one in favor,

[21:49] but then also recommended that the seven parking spaces be designated specifically for that facility.

[21:56] Staff does not support that recommendation to the, for the simple reason that it is a common parking area,

[22:02] and we can't really specify and designate any one spot there through their lease would have designated seven spaces anywhere in that facility.

[22:12] So if the council wishes to follow planning commission's recommendations, you can do that however staff does not support that recommendation

[22:19] But we do recommend the approval of the parking determination for seven parking spaces

[22:25] Thank you. Thank you, sir

[22:27] Would you like to speak please

[22:33] state your name and address for the record?

[22:35] All right. My name is Becky Bond and my address is 1326 South Shore Drive

[22:40] I'm the owner and founder of safety first PD aquatics before I begin speaking

[22:44] I'd like to show you guys a little bit of what I do every day to teach in some lessons.

[23:43] So that's a short little minute video of what I do every day.

[23:46] Through my life I've been a junior professional water skier, professional lake porter, and now I'm a professional swim instructor,

[23:52] teaching over 500 children in the past three years, maybe more.

[23:56] I just want to let you guys know that the leading cause of preventable death in infants and toddlers is drowning,

[24:02] and the second is, for ages 6 to 12, that's, they rank, it's second.

[24:09] At safety first, we teach the swim flow swim sequence, giving children from six months

[24:14] plus the ability to flip over and flow and breathe if they need to, or swim to the wall

[24:20] for safety. This facility will give me the opportunity to teach through the stormy summer

[24:24] weather and Florida's winter months, giving me an extra four months out of the year and

[24:29] possibly an extra 120 children to teach throughout the year.

[24:33] This could grow my business by 30%, giving a lot more children the ability to save themselves

[24:39] if ever needed.

[24:41] The reason I'm requesting the specific facility in the specific area is because it puts me

[24:45] in the heart of St. Cloud and is also feasible business-wise for me to be able to maintain

[24:50] this specific business model in a 2,500 square foot facility.

[24:55] 2500 square foot is what is needed for building discretion to safely and efficiently hold 30-foot-round

[25:00] pool. This safety first PD Aquatics facility could change the community as a whole, doing

[25:06] exactly what we strive to do each day by giving a safer quality of life mentally and physically

[25:10] for our friends and family here in St. Cloud. Grand parents, parents, children, and first responders.

[25:16] Because of what I have done in this community already, some of my parents have come to speak

[25:19] on behalf of safety first PD Aquatics. I hope you guys consider this as a new business in

[25:23] in our community. Thank you.

[25:26] Thank you, does anyone have any questions?

[25:31] We have others who'd like to speak to this item.

[25:36] Before I do, do you have any questions you'd like to ask for?

[25:38] No.

[25:39] Okay. Miss Atkinson, Ann Marie Atkinson.

[26:00] Hi, my name is Ann Marie Atkinson, 48-01 hunting lodge drive.

[26:05] This is my daughter Abby, she's four.

[26:08] She attended basic training lessons with Becky

[26:10] at safety first PD Aquatics when she was three years old.

[26:14] She can now swim the full length of a pool, flipping over and taking a breath whenever needed.

[26:19] I currently am a teacher at St. Claude Middle School working with children with intellectual disabilities.

[26:25] I previously worked as a lifeguard for 10 years and a Red Cross swim instructor for 11.

[26:30] Teaching is my passion, so why didn't I teach my own child how to swim?

[26:35] This red hair should say it all.

[26:38] She's full of sass and self-determination, and that's just to put it nicely.

[26:46] Becky was so understanding and patient with Abby.

[26:49] It blew my mind that in 20 quick lessons, my daughter now had the ability to save her

[26:54] own life in water, experiencing firsthand the immediate understanding and respect of the

[26:59] water that these kids have after these lessons, I knew I had to join Becky's team and become

[27:06] as an instructor with safety first PD Aquatics.

[27:09] I could feel the passion that she had for helping our community and to save young lives.

[27:15] The lessons we teach inspire strength, discipline, independence, and

[27:19] give our kids the skills to save their own lives in the water.

[27:22] And as we all know, Florida is surrounded by water.

[27:26] We have it front yard, back yard, everywhere.

[27:29] I teach all ages, but I specialize in older students, teens, adults, and

[27:34] and the population of swimmers with unique needs.

[27:38] This new facility is so important to our growing community.

[27:41] We'll be able to reach, teach, and save so many more little lives.

[27:45] I seriously hope that you guys really consider our new facility.

[27:48] Thank you for your support and your patience tonight.

[27:52] Thank you.

[27:53] Thank you.

[27:56] Brianna Connors.

[27:58] Brianna?

[28:00] Is that correct?

[28:03] Okay, Bri.

[28:03] My mom is creative with spelling.

[28:05] You'll say her name and address for the record, please.

[28:07] Brianna Connors, and my address is 1711, Charleston Lane, St. Claude Florida, 34769.

[28:15] I'm here on behalf of Becky and Safety First Pedi Aquatics.

[28:19] I've kind of served as an advisor to Becky in this program, Census Inception.

[28:24] And right off the bat, when Becky told me about the idea to begin teaching swim lessons,

[28:29] I knew right away that she had found her calling and also that she'd be able to hone her skills

[28:34] and that she's acquired and developed over the years,

[28:37] coaching kids in the water,

[28:38] because previously she also coached kids in skiing

[28:40] and wakeboarding.

[28:42] And I knew that she was gonna use those skills

[28:44] to greatly benefit our community.

[28:47] And that's exactly what she's done over the past three years.

[28:49] She's taught several hundred kids

[28:50] how to save their own lives,

[28:52] should they fall into the pool.

[28:54] I'm excited for the growth of Becky's business

[28:57] from a backyard pool business into an actual facility

[29:00] where she'll be able to reach a greater percentage

[29:03] of our population. This facility will enable Becky to teach more children in our community

[29:11] methods that have been proven over and over again. Her program is unmatched. There's

[29:19] nothing like it in our area and her methods work. So I'm here to request not only that

[29:27] her facility be approved, but also that this process be expedited so that we can reach

[29:31] children and help save more lives as soon as possible. Thank you. Thank you.

[29:36] That's kind of.

[29:41] Bob Hansel.

[29:50] How's our tired life?

[29:53] The only better moniker I

[29:55] like to have is Powerball winner, but it's good to have you here.

[30:00] Thank you, Bob Hansel, 1032, Tony Circle, St. Cloud. I'm just here to support Becky in her efforts. My grandson is still in maintenance program, but he's gone through her program. Along I've got two others coming up of age to go into it. So, you know, Florida, unfortunately is a nation, a lot of stuff, but unfortunately it leads to a nation in child drownings too. So I am very proud of what she has accomplished so far in my contact with her.

[30:29] And I know that we're all about making it safer here in our community throughout the state

[30:35] so I think it's a no-brainer that this needs to be moved and like the other lady said, fast-tracked.

[30:42] So I appreciate your time.

[30:45] I think you got a lot of people on display.

[30:46] It's probably said about the same thing.

[30:48] Thank you, Shervin.

[30:49] All right.

[30:49] Thank you.

[30:55] Naomi Dai.

[31:04] Hi.

[31:06] Naomi Dai, 1731, Juniper circles, St. Claude, Florida.

[31:10] I am the new development manager for the Chamber of Commerce, and I just wanted to let everyone know here that Becky is one of our newest members, and we strongly support what she does.

[31:22] She did put my five-year-old grandson through her program, and he is now a better swimmer, and a little fearful of the water, and of course this little fella is Brianna's little guy, and he'll be one of her next students as well.

[31:37] So it's all about our future and our children and our community, and that's all I had to say.

[31:44] Thank you.

[31:45] Thank you very much.

[31:50] Samantha, is it Hintel?

[31:53] Hintel.

[31:53] Hintel?

[31:54] I couldn't see if I was an RNN.

[31:56] Just say to your name and address for the record?

[31:58] Sure.

[31:59] Samantha, Hintel, 1, 4, 9, 0, 0.

[32:01] Honey, Chris Blaine, like no enough.

[32:03] Laura, 3, 2, 8, 2, 7.

[32:06] So I just want to say that I'm here to support Becky as well, and I don't even live in

[32:10] in St. Claude, I drive about 20 minutes to bring my daughter.

[32:13] She started at 13 months old, and now is three

[32:17] and can swim in my backyard pool completely,

[32:20] probably better than I can.

[32:22] And she talks about Becky on a daily basis.

[32:24] She's pretty much one of her heroes.

[32:26] So to see this in the middle of St. Claude,

[32:28] I completely support it, and I keep spreading the word

[32:30] around like Nona constantly.

[32:32] Thank you.

[32:33] Thank you.

[32:37] Christian Thomas.

[32:42] Thank you, Christian Thomas 2960 Robbins-Ness Court.

[32:46] I have three children, the youngest being French, just three years old.

[32:50] He started the program at one and a half, and he wants to be like his older brother and sister.

[32:56] Because of this, we are able to let him play in the pool with keeping a close eye on him right

[33:03] up the side, and he's not hanging on us.

[33:06] This past summer, we signed up for a 10 week refresher course and due to thunderstorms, we were not able to get it done until the end of summer.

[33:15] And we had a vacation with a pool that concerned us, so that's why we did it and because of thunderstorms, we had to delay it.

[33:23] Thank you.

[33:25] Thank you.

[33:28] Sandra Snyder?

[33:39] Sandra Snyder, 4103, Bob Lightcourt, St. Claude.

[33:43] Through my experience, Beckian, her team at SFPA are amazing swim instructors for infants,

[33:48] toddlers, and even young children.

[33:51] After working with my one-year-old for only four weeks, she was able to float, kick,

[33:54] and reach for the wall.

[33:55] My family is always outdoors and mostly around water.

[33:58] We enjoy boating, fishing, beach trips, pool days, and everything else in between.

[34:03] I feel that the survival technique and lessons that Beckian, her team provide is great for

[34:07] our community.

[34:08] We don't have any other businesses close to our area that offer the same skills and training that SFPA offers.

[34:15] Also knowing that she is a mother who taught her own child the same survival skills she is teaching our children gives you a sense of relief.

[34:23] Knowing that she cares about the safety of everyone's children just as much as she does her own.

[34:27] I no longer feel frightened or have anxiety about my daughter falling into the water by accident because I know that Becky has taught her the skills that I could have never done by myself.

[34:36] Skills that teach her how to survive, skills that will stick with her for the rest of her life as long as we stay consistent with her teachings.

[34:44] Skills that other parents are completely amazed by when they see my now almost two-year-old jump into the water without hesitating.

[34:51] Skills that can only come from someone as patient, talented and educated as Becky and her team at SFPA.

[34:58] My family and I, along with many friends, business owners and parents, support Becky 100% and wish nothing but the best for her and her team.

[35:05] I hope that the City of St. Cloud gives Becky the opportunity to follow her dreams and create the best options for her customers.

[35:12] In my opinion, having an indoor facility would help with our bipolar Florida weather, thank you.

[35:22] And last of all, Teresa, is it Maiden?

[35:26] Maiden,

[35:29] thank you, Teresa.

[35:30] Good evening, my name is Teresa Maiden, I'm 5400 Silver Thistle Lane, St. Cloud, Florida.

[35:37] I'm a northern transplant. I've lived in Florida for about 10 years, last 10-year St.

[35:41] Cloud. I do teach in Assela County as well. From Northern Illinois, I can tell you right now I went to about

[35:47] three swim parties in my entire 26 years that I lived there. Last April, my family of four, including my

[35:54] four-year-old daughter and at that time my one-year-old infant and my husband and I were invited to five within that month, including three in a single weekend.

[36:01] It was fun. That being said, that of those three parties that we were at, that weekend,

[36:08] we saw two children who had to be pulled from the pool. By a parent who had to jump

[36:13] in fully close to grab them out to the point of panic at one point where we weren't sure

[36:18] if the child was okay or not, those two events took one second to happen. One mom was

[36:24] putting a juice box straw in when her kids looked in.

[36:28] My four-year-old Madeline took the classes with Becky.

[36:31] She went from afraid of the water to swimming the length of the pool without a problem.

[36:37] And that's entirely because of that.

[36:39] She can float in winter clothes in case we are up north and she gets accidentally tipped

[36:43] in her grandparents' pool up there.

[36:45] Does that mean we get to relax?

[36:47] No.

[36:47] Just as Mr. Thomas said, it buys you time, it buys you a chance to save your child's life,

[36:51] it buys them the confidence to know that they have the power with them as well.

[36:55] Well, there is no amount of money that I can put on that chance, and there is no amount of money that I could put on that time.

[37:02] And having that facility available to reach so many more families as a mother, as a teacher, and as a member of this community,

[37:10] I know that we would all be grateful for a little more time and one more chance in those situations.

[37:15] Thank you very much.

[37:16] Thank you.

[37:20] Would anyone else in Becky's fan club like to speak to this item?

[37:26] Does anyone like to speak against this item?

[37:29] If not, we'll turn to our council and we'll recognize councilmember Trace.

[37:34] I just want to thank everyone for coming out and being a part of the public process and giving their comments.

[37:38] I think this is a no-brainer and, you know, just part of the code that we need to fix as well of, you know,

[37:44] So some of these shouldn't be conditionally used as it should just be permitted, so I'm

[37:48] in favor.

[37:50] Councilwoman Rescue, had a chance to meet Becky in the shop and got a chance to learn

[37:56] a little bit about what she does and she has a lot more support than she probably realizes

[38:00] because I would have in breakfast and people were telling me about it, so yeah I'm a big

[38:06] fan, so thank you.

[38:11] Well, I'm a fan too, she taught my granddaughter how to swim.

[38:15] you know as far as the parking situation when I would go I would go with my daughter my

[38:22] granddaughter and you only have most of the time just one or two cars coming in and out

[38:28] and it was never a parking problem and I understand what our code is. Would anyone else in the council

[38:34] like to speak to this item? Yes sir.

[38:39] Bill I think you and I had discussions about this and you

[38:43] You could tell me some of the history of what, when you were the Fire Department, and

[38:47] tell me some of the stories that were bad that you found the...

[38:52] Thank you, Mr. Pius.

[38:53] Yes.

[38:56] In a previous life, I was a paramedic for almost 30 years, and I can tell you I've taken

[39:01] numerous children, pulled them from pools, and some made it, and some didn't.

[39:05] But with this program, it will save lives.

[39:07] My own grandson learned a swim in a program like this, and I asked the council to support

[39:13] this.

[39:13] any

[39:16] other input from council? I'll make a motion that we approve. First of all

[39:22] starting with resolution number 2019 031R. I'm sorry I'm looking at the

[39:29] wrong here. 219 12 arm sorry. Second.

[39:35] So we have a motion from the mayor. Second

[39:37] from who wants the councilman Cooper. Madam Clerk. Council member Cooper. Hi.

[39:45] Thank you.

[39:45] Council member ask you.

[39:46] All right.

[39:47] Council member Trace.

[39:48] Hi.

[39:48] Deputy Mayor Matini.

[39:50] Hi.

[39:50] Mayor Blackwell.

[39:51] Hi.

[39:51] Motion carries 5-0.

[39:54] That brings us, we're not done yet.

[39:59] One more.

[40:00] That brings us to resolution number 2019-034-R.

[40:04] What is the pleasure of the mayor's motion to approve?

[40:06] Second.

[40:06] Well, we have a motion from Council member I ask you.

[40:09] One point of clarification.

[40:10] Does that include these staff recommendation

[40:12] and planning commission recommendation?

[40:15] The non-designated parking, the first part, doesn't it?

[40:18] It would include the planning recommendation.

[40:20] Is what we have before, is it not?

[40:23] No.

[40:24] Staff recommendation.

[40:25] I just want to be clear.

[40:27] Okay.

[40:29] Any other clarifications?

[40:31] Staff recommendation is just the resolution as is.

[40:33] Yeah.

[40:34] As is.

[40:34] Okay.

[40:35] Good.

[40:36] I'm sorry.

[40:38] Who made the motion?

[40:40] I did.

[40:40] Councilmember Braskew? Do I have a second? Councilmember Muthini? Madam Clerk? Councilmember

[40:46] Askew? Councilmember Trace? Deputy Mayor Muthini? Aye. Councilmember Cooper? Aye. Mayor

[40:52] Blackwell? Aye. Motion carries, 5-0. Now you can clap.

[41:02] Sorry, I'm going to go back

[41:03] to the beginning. Thank you and all the little kids may leave now. Oh man, do I get the

[41:14] Let's give them just a moment to make an exit.

[41:33] If you could please exit quickly and as quietly as possible.

[41:46] Now that brings us back to item number one under public hearing.

[41:50] Are you winning items one, two, and three red together?

[41:56] Matt Clark, if you'll begin and just read all three of those items.

[42:01] Final public hearing for ordinance number 2018-24.

[42:04] an ordinance of the City Council of the City of St. Claude, Florida, to annex into the City of St. Claude, a partially 44.56 acres identified as Thompson Groves.

[42:13] Located east of Higley Tree Road, south of East Earlow, Ronson Memorial Highway, west of Live Oak Lake Road, in north of Live Oak Lake, in accordance with voluntary annexation provisions, Chapter 171.044 Florida Statutes.

[42:28] Final public hearing for ordinance number 2018-25.

[42:31] In ordinance of the City Council of the City of St. Cloud, Florida, assigning a future

[42:35] line use designation of mixed use to approximately 44.56 acres identified as Thompson Grove.

[42:41] Located east of Hickory Tree Road, south of East Earl O'Bronza Memorial Highway, west of

[42:46] live oak lake road, and north of live oak lake, providing for amending the official future

[42:50] line use map of the comprehensive plan, filing of the planning commission's recommendations,

[42:54] and proof of publication of a ability and effect

[42:57] to severability's copies on file and effective date.

[43:05] Final public hearing for ordinance number 2018-26.

[43:09] An ordinance of the City Council of the City of St.

[43:11] Claude, Florida assigning a zoning district of mixed use

[43:14] compatible with a mixed use future landing designation change

[43:17] adopted by ordinance number 2018-25 for approximately

[43:20] 44.56 acres identified as Thompson Grove,

[43:24] located east of Hickory Tree Road, south of east

[43:27] Ms. Verlo, Bronson Memorial Highway, west of Live Oak Lake Road, and north of Live Oak Lake, providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map, following the Plenty Commission's recommendations, and proof of publications of Ability and Effective Date.

[43:39] Good evening, Lee, and Walter Principal Planner with St. Cloud Planning and Zoning Department.

[43:44] If I could please request that the clerk also read Council Action Items 3 and 4 as well.

[43:53] Please read Council action items number three and four.

[43:56] Request City Council's approval of Thomson Grove Preliminary Subdivision Plan.

[44:01] Request City Council's approval of the Concept Master Plan for Thomson Grove Mixed Use Project.

[44:10] Thank you.

[44:11] For the sake of efficiency, I would like to present all of the cases related to Thomson Grove

[44:14] together so that we may discuss them collectively.

[44:19] The property owners of Thomson Grove have requested a voluntary annexation into the City of

[44:24] St. Claude, it's for approximately 44.56 acres, and it is located on the south side of

[44:30] US-192, it's east of Hickory Tree Road, and it's west of Nova Road. The proposed request

[44:38] is consistent with Section 171.044 before the statute, and that it is contiguous and reasonably

[44:46] compact to the city limits, and we have received a sign petition from all property owners.

[44:52] The property is adjacent to the city limits to the north, the existing future

[44:57] Delany's designation within the county is low density.

[45:14] The proposed request does meet the intent of the strategic plan goals for growth management in order to create a vibrant, progressive, and diverse community through collaborative planning. Staff has reviewed this request for voluntary annexation and recommends a prove that the proposed request does meet the intent of the strategic plan goals for growth management in order to create a vibrant, progressive and diverse community through collaborative planning.

[45:29] of ordinance 2018-24. On March 20, 2018, the planning commission reviewed the 16 findings

[45:39] and made a request and recommended approval of ordinance 2018-24. And we ask that the

[45:45] City Council consider the planning commission's recommendations of the 16 findings and move

[45:50] for approval of this ordinance 2018-24. The applicant has selected a mixed use, feature

[45:59] The current land use within the county is commercial and low density residential.

[46:07] The proposed future land use is mixed use, is the mixed use designation, and it permits a density ranging from 5 to 25 dwelling units per acre.

[46:17] As I mentioned, the property is compact with a surrounding area and there are no adverse impacts to the city facilities.

[46:24] The request does meet the intent of the city's strategic plan goal of growth management.

[46:30] Staff has reviewed this feature land use map amendment which is a large scale conference

[46:34] of plan amendment and recommends approval.

[46:37] On March 20, 2018, a planning commission reviewed the 16 findings and recommended approval as

[46:43] well as to transmit to the Department of Economic Opportunity for Interagency Review.

[46:48] Staff did transmit the large scale conference of plan amendment to the state for interagency

[46:53] review and they had no objections.

[46:55] We do ask that City Council consider the planning commission's recommendations of this 16 findings and move to approve ordinance 2018-15.

[47:06] The applicant has requested a corresponding zoning district of mixed use.

[47:13] The existing zoning estated before is agriculture development and conservation within the county.

[47:18] They are proposing mixed use consistent with the request of mixed use land use designation,

[47:24] which also allows the range density of five to 25 million units per acre.

[47:29] And as I mentioned, it is compatible with a surrounding area and there are no adverse impacts to the city facilities.

[47:35] The proposal does meet the intent of the strategic plan goals of growth management.

[47:42] Staff has reviewed this zoning amendment and does recommend approval for 2018, Ordinance 2018-26.

[47:49] The Planning Commission on March 20, 2018 did review the 16 findings and

[47:55] and recommended approval of this of the ordinance.

[47:58] We recommend that City Council review the 16 findings

[48:01] and the recommendation and recommend for approval.

[48:05] Almost.

[48:10] So the mixed use zoning does require

[48:12] the preparation of a conceptual master plan or concept plan.

[48:16] And the applicant has prepared one.

[48:19] The applicant has prepared this plan document

[48:23] that also provides a series of policies and development plan

[48:27] that offers the following.

[48:28] It provides a logical transition to the adjacent community center.

[48:32] It permits a range of residential and non-residential uses that are neighborhood supporting and

[48:37] promote walkable communities, and

[48:39] achieve smart growth development principles, providing a balance of social, environmental, and

[48:43] economic sustainability for residents of St. Cloud.

[48:49] The concept plan, conceptual master plan is consistent with objective 4.1 and

[48:55] our comprehensive plan for mixed use.

[48:57] It is consistent with the mixed use development standards.

[48:59] It is also in our land development code, section 322.1.

[49:03] The proposed development program is for single-family attached and detached, 173 dwelling units.

[49:10] It also provides commercial 120,000 square feet and 30,000 square feet of office.

[49:18] In addition to the policies, the applicant has prepared an illustrative plan indicating the location of each of the proposed uses.

[49:27] And the concept plan does meet the intent of the city's strategic plan goal for growth management.

[49:31] Staff has reviewed the plan and recommends approval.

[49:36] We asked the council to consider approval for this plan and

[49:44] at the request of the council,

[49:45] the applicant has prepared a preliminary subdivision plan.

[49:49] The following is a breakdown of the residential portion of the property.

[49:54] They have 173 single-family lots attached and detached and we have it broken down showing

[50:00] the different lot sizes and keep in mind that there are a variety of product types as

[50:06] well, not just the lot sizes. So the proposed density is 3.77 dwelling units per acre.

[50:15] The residential portion is 5 dwelling units per acre.

[50:22] This is the overall concept plan

[50:23] that actually includes the commercial portion. Blue it up a little bit and cut off the commercial

[50:28] portion so that you could zoom in a little bit to see the preliminary subdivision plan

[50:32] a little bit clearer. It's also provided in your packet.

[50:39] Oops, sorry. City Council has provided

[50:42] The following request and comments in previous council meetings and I just wanted to review those with you

[50:50] Council had requested that the applicant meet with adjacent property owners when until let you know that the applicants held two community meetings. Those are the dates

[51:00] To address land gate buffer adjacent to the existing live of the state's neighborhood

[51:06] Both the conceptual master plan concept plant and the preliminary subdivision plan due to picked a 30 foot plus a little bit more buffer

[51:14] as well as landscape buffer as well as a PVC wall and landscape berm.

[51:21] There was also a request to provide a minimum residential lot width of 62.5 feet and

[51:29] as the applicant stated previously that they are providing a variety of lot sizes consistent

[51:34] with the mixed use feature land use and zoning density requirements in our code.

[51:41] To get with residents and resolve any of their concerns, the applicant has addressed all

[51:47] concerns with the residents, however, there was concerns from the residents regarding some

[51:55] of the requirements for the mixture in mixed use.

[51:58] To provide a site plan, they have prepared a preliminary subdivision plan, and they

[52:05] have tailored it to meet the mixed use development standards.

[52:09] There was some concern about plans for the lake access.

[52:12] address, they are providing an observation deck, which is like a covered pier out into

[52:18] the water. There will not be a boat ramp or any motorized boats allowed. I want to

[52:24] address interconnectivity with the Live Oak Lake Estates that's the existing neighborhood

[52:28] adjacent. The applicant is open to provide connection to the west, has not received necessarily

[52:35] I mean, necessarily any approval from adjacent property owners at this time.

[52:40] So that concludes our review from previous requests and comments.

[52:46] The plan does meet the intent of the city's strategic plan goals for growth management.

[52:51] And City staff has reviewed this preliminary subdivision plan and recommends approval.

[52:56] And we ask the city council to consider the review of this plan consistent with the land development code.

[53:04] And approve the preliminary subdivision plan and the applicant is here available to answer any questions for you.

[53:09] Thank you. Was the applicant like to speak

[53:15] Randy June 32 as a plant street happy merely to answer any questions

[53:20] You might have with that thorough presentation of staff would like to thank them in the the community

[53:25] I know since since our community meeting we had some revisions to the plan but our methods there were to to maintain

[53:33] The status quo as far as the presentation with lots on their border common border maintaining walls

[53:40] the other conditions you mentioned with lake access, and also we included in their non-motorized boats from our property, downward lighting, we're a couple of the others.

[53:56] So, that would be happy to answer any questions you might have.

[53:58] All right, thank you.

[54:00] Kenneth, Ken Polzinski?

[54:04] Is that correct?

[54:06] Very well.

[54:07] Thank you.

[54:08] Kenneth Polzinski, 2027 Live Oak Boulevard, St. Cloud, Florida.

[54:14] I thank you for your service and for giving me any time to speak to you tonight.

[54:21] I want to be an active participant in the community.

[54:24] I live in Live Oak, states.

[54:25] I want to express that Pastor Thompson has been very open with our community, holding meetings

[54:33] at our request, and they're offering meetings when we don't request.

[54:37] So I want to say that he's been very active with us, and we've really appreciated it.

[54:43] We appreciate you being active because it's very difficult to say this is compatible with

[54:50] a neighborhood that has less than one home per acre.

[54:53] So they're working real hard and to make it a cost-effective program, they've got to make

[54:59] some compromises where I'm a compassionate man and I struggle with my Christian faith

[55:06] of building a wall in the Southern border of the United States.

[55:10] I must say that I do support that and although I hate to see a wall where I look at a beautiful

[55:18] The Loinge Grove for 12 years, I am requesting and he is aware that I'm asking for a wall and with our city ordinance of a six foot tall wall, they're also offering elevation underneath it.

[55:32] So I just expressed my gratitude to the city council and to Mr. Pastor Thompson for Ural's active participation and continued participation.

[55:44] So thank you.

[55:45] Thank you very much.

[55:48] Jeremy Kibler.

[55:55] Good evening, Council.

[55:57] Jeremy Kibler, KDA Engineering, 2017, 13th Street,

[56:01] St. Cloud of Florida, 347, 6.9.

[56:03] Maxley here representing the Lockery family,

[56:06] which is 5,000 East Earl of Bronson Memorial Highways,

[56:09] St. Cloud of Florida, 347, 7.1.

[56:11] My client owns the property directly to the South of the subject

[56:15] applications.

[56:16] It will be depicted in green on Exhib A that will enter

[56:20] into the record when I conclude, I want to have a lot to cover so I'm going to go ahead

[56:24] and jump right in. We've been involved since the very beginning of these applications.

[56:29] You probably seen me at all of the meetings for these particular applications. Beginning

[56:34] back in February 22, 2018 with staff DRC comments, staff had requested, please provide connectivity

[56:41] from the residential portion to the adjacent properties referring to the Thompson Grove property

[56:45] and the adjacent properties, West, East and South, and following that, really all that

[56:53] was provided was, excuse me, an additional connection to the East to which that property

[56:59] has over a thousand feet of frontage on US-192.

[57:03] Why provide the interconnectivity?

[57:04] Because that's the goals, objectives, and policies of the mixed-use district.

[57:09] That's why we're here.

[57:11] Moving on.

[57:15] The conceptual master plan policy, 1.1.2 of Thomson Grove itself states the Thomson Grove

[57:22] Conceptual Master Plan shall serve to guide future growth and development within the planning

[57:26] area and will provide for connectivity to adjacent properties.

[57:30] This is simply false.

[57:31] There's no connectivity to the south.

[57:34] We just heard a moment ago, now the applicant is offering interconnectivity to the west,

[57:39] but not the south.

[57:40] We've been here all along.

[57:41] So basically, everywhere else except for the south doesn't make sense.

[57:48] Again, interconnectivities, provisions for public right away connections to properties

[57:54] has been something that's been administered throughout time with staff and has

[57:59] previous council action been taken. I'll give an example is Dear Creek

[58:05] and I'll enter those into the record as exhibits B1, B2, and B3.

[58:09] The very similar situation where a council and staff work closely with the applicant and

[58:16] ultimately a 50-foot right away public right away dedication was made to this subject

[58:20] property.

[58:21] That's right here.

[58:22] Moving on.

[58:24] Let's go to the 16 points as far as legal authority and what council should consider.

[58:32] Council shall review the application and make a decision based on the 16 required findings

[58:36] of Section 3.4.3C2A of the LDC, item 12 of those 16 states, and this is what the applicant

[58:44] has submitted for your review. The proposed change will not be a deterrent to the improvement

[58:49] or development of adjacent property. This is simply false. This not providing access to

[58:55] the south will be exactly that. It will prevent those things. It will be a deterrent to the

[59:01] improvement or development of the property to the south.

[59:04] That's simple as that.

[59:06] Moving on, we have concerns about the PSP

[59:11] and the conceptual master plan.

[59:13] I'll just rattle through those very quickly.

[59:15] Staff refers to 173 single family lots.

[59:19] This simply isn't true.

[59:20] Single family attached is not a defined term in the LDC.

[59:25] Town homes are considered multi-family attached.

[59:28] That's the way the code defines it.

[59:30] That's the way the mixed use division 22 defines it.

[59:33] It's in the code, and that's what's been adopted by Council.

[59:39] Additionally, Council has over time asked for 25 foot front facing garage setback.

[59:47] The applicant's only noted 20 feet.

[59:50] Additionally, one thing I would say of ample concern, no emergency access has been provided

[59:56] for this development.

[59:57] Take a look at the PSP.

[59:58] There's nothing there.

[59:59] In close.

[1:00:00] If council decides to take action on the annexation, future landings, and zoning, we would ask that the zoning ordinance be specifically conditioned, that's ordinance 2018-26, such that a provision for a publicly dedicated right away, 50 foot and width from the internal publicly dedicated right away, that the applicant's proposing, be provided to the locked property to the south. Could be anywhere along that frontage, anywhere along their joint property boundaries.

[1:00:30] We ask for that consideration and I'll thank you for your time, Councilor.

[1:00:33] Happy to answer any questions.

[1:00:34] Thank you.

[1:00:37] Would anyone else in the audience like to speak to this item?

[1:00:41] If not, we will entertain discussion and emotion by Council.

[1:00:55] If there's no discussion, maybe we look at item number 2018-24, or I'm sorry, Mathini, I see

[1:01:00] your light now.

[1:01:02] Thank you.

[1:01:03] Council member Mathini.

[1:01:04] Thank you.

[1:01:04] So, I also want to thank the development team and the owner for their work and willingness

[1:01:11] to work with the adjoining property owners.

[1:01:13] I feel like they've gone above and beyond what we typically see as far as coordination efforts.

[1:01:20] I did want to ask a couple things I know when we had and we did have a meeting this week

[1:01:25] for the council's knowledge. We did meet this week to kind of talk about their application

[1:01:30] coming forward this week and you said you were going to bring a parking exhibit. Do you have

[1:01:36] the parking use of it if you could present that but one of the residents just

[1:01:43] spoke up and said that their the preference is a wall versus the and I think the

[1:01:47] plan right now has a PVC fence is that what it is on a berm so I know that was

[1:01:52] a lot of coordination with the residents and I guess if you could kind of

[1:01:57] speak about that and then the last thing is if you could when we had our meeting

[1:02:03] Also, I thought I was told that there was 25-foot building setbacks.

[1:02:07] Is there 25 or 20-foot?

[1:02:13] 34-foot buffer track.

[1:02:16] But on the front, like on the garage setback.

[1:02:20] I think that is.

[1:02:23] Because I thought it was 25 in my meeting.

[1:02:28] But the last thing, if you could kind of go through, because we did talk about the history and

[1:02:32] I know you weren't there, Mr. June, but we did talk about the history of the project and

[1:02:37] all of the negotiations and things that you tried to do with the property

[1:02:41] enter to the south. So if we could kind of talk through that as well. But my final

[1:02:46] question, sorry, you got to write all these down. You got to write all these

[1:02:49] questions. Is on the on the road as it comes into the property on the north side

[1:02:55] is the edge of the right-of-way line concurrent with the property line?

[1:03:01] Paralleling the on top of each other. I'm just wondering I know we had a lot of

[1:03:06] discussion about, you know, providing access to the commercial node to the west of you in the future if it became available.

[1:03:12] I know right now there's a 20-foot road in between you and the property, but if in the future, if things change, people change,

[1:03:22] owners change, desires change, and you wanted to connect into this road, is there going to be any sort of spiked strip or anything

[1:03:30] preventing that does is the right-of-way sitting concurrent on the property line.

[1:03:34] Correct. So the west boundary line of our right-of-way is the east boundary line of the

[1:03:39] gentleman's access track. Okay.

[1:03:41] Twenty-foot access track. And I think that was the intent. Okay.

[1:03:44] And a little bit on that history, yes. So we have had some discussions with the property

[1:03:50] under the south. As you can imagine, you know, we think we're doing a quality project here.

[1:03:55] We'd love to have added his property to our project.

[1:03:59] We made him an offer and we demonstrated that offer.

[1:04:03] There was market price.

[1:04:05] We weren't trying to beat him up.

[1:04:06] And we also offered that we'd be happy to entertain a counter

[1:04:10] and they could demonstrate to us that it was worth more.

[1:04:14] That never happened to my knowledge.

[1:04:16] We feel like they have an access tract 20 feet.

[1:04:19] So as far as developed, the property is developed now.

[1:04:23] You can imagine our concerns of having a project tied to ours that's not part of the HOA

[1:04:29] that's not meeting the same design guidelines we have, etc.

[1:04:33] So, you know, our opinion is we put forth an effort and really didn't get anywhere with it.

[1:04:39] So the properties, again, we've stubbed rows to the east, a provisions there for those folks.

[1:04:48] We're trying to satisfy a lot of people, and so the neighbors were great

[1:04:56] meat-ness, and I hope they would say we met every one of their concerns as far as

[1:05:02] their requirements. The wall, what we have there is a wall on top of a

[1:05:07] burn. So we've got a 30-inch high burn, and what we

[1:05:11] The orange did to them that we would make the eastern boundary attract owned by the H.O.A.

[1:05:18] Between, I'm sorry, the western boundary, be a track between us and them and that's 34 feet wide.

[1:05:26] And the reason it's attracting them by the H.O.A. is the H.O.A. will have a mandate to maintain it versus an individual property owned or an individual idea of how it should be maintained, which tends to happen.

[1:05:38] So our de-districtions HOA should be a strong one.

[1:05:42] They typically are.

[1:05:44] The builders kind of demand it to protect their product in the life of the project.

[1:05:49] So that wall and that buffer will be maintained by the HOA.

[1:05:53] Can I interject you keep saying wall, but I think it says fence.

[1:05:58] No, it's it's a lot of work.

[1:05:59] So there's a new material out.

[1:06:01] It's two inch thick plastic and the neat thing about it is it has the ability to have a pattern on it versus

[1:06:08] is just a stuccoed wall.

[1:06:11] It's hurricane resistant.

[1:06:13] And so it's not a, it's PVC material,

[1:06:17] but it's not the PVC fences you see around houses we have.

[1:06:21] So a couple pictures we could throw up there just to show you.

[1:06:26] So as we were asking for a fence,

[1:06:29] but we felt this was a great compromise.

[1:06:31] So there's the product.

[1:06:32] It's again, it's not your plastic fence.

[1:06:35] That's two inches thick and it's virtually hit with a hammer probably handle better than a block wall.

[1:06:46] So that's the product there.

[1:06:51] Do we confirm the setbacks, do you mean 20 feet?

[1:06:58] I think the parking plan, we scrambled and this demonstrates, although not real detailed,

[1:07:08] But we will in the final construction plans have to prove to staff that we can meet that parking requirement.

[1:07:14] But we work with staff today and I think I think this meets your code.

[1:07:18] So when we come back with final construction plans, we'll demonstrate that Cal can obviously have more detail with the road sections, but the red highlights basically where we can have parking response.

[1:07:30] So a follow-up question was Mr. June wasn't in the conversation that I had this week, but the one track you have there, it's like an open space where the gas

[1:07:39] easement comes through. I floated the idea to have it because it's just going to be a green space because of the gas easement and I floated an idea to have overflow parking in that area, like just a

[1:07:50] grass overflow parking area as, you know, if, I mean, you can't build anything in there as maybe an opportunity to have backup parking.

[1:08:00] I know there was some concern, but I think you can do that with.

[1:08:04] Yeah, we have an open space track, too.

[1:08:07] I can tell you, we just dealt with the gas easement and Tampa and they're extremely protective.

[1:08:13] So not saying we can't do, we just have to see their approval.

[1:08:17] Yeah, that was something I had mentioned.

[1:08:18] So some of those details we can work on the final construction plan phase, and we've committed to staff to do that with some more detail for y'all.

[1:08:27] And thank you for spreading the parking out, because I know when we were chatting, it was all mainly on the west side, and I just know people kind of want to park where they're going, and we're not going to walk through.

[1:08:39] So thank you.

[1:08:41] Mr. Reserves.

[1:08:42] Yeah, my comment may be a little late, but then I apologize for that.

[1:08:45] Just for process perspective, just remind the council that when you have a meeting with

[1:08:50] a particular applicant or anybody with regard to a quasi judicial matter, which three of these

[1:08:54] are or two of these are, the processes you need to advise publicly that you had that meeting

[1:09:00] and I'll miss council and the theme you clearly from your discussion you had.

[1:09:03] So you went above and beyond, but just from a process perspective under the city's resolution with regard to quasi judicial proceedings, the processes,

[1:09:13] you identify that you had or you now said you had a meeting with an individual who has an interest in the in the item and then you basically give a general summary of the discussion.

[1:09:23] I think you ultimately did that, but initially you said, well, we met, but really what should remind everybody is that you met with the particular developer just as a suggestion.

[1:09:32] Thank you, Mr. President.

[1:09:36] Do you have any other discussion from Council?

[1:09:39] Councilwoman Cooper.

[1:09:41] Mr. Kebler, could you come up and

[1:09:46] tell me why you felt like you're a person that you're

[1:09:53] representing the, why do they need the 50 opening?

[1:09:58] The subject property is not.

[1:09:59] What are you going to use it for?

[1:10:01] Well, the subject property is simply not developed.

[1:10:02] Right now, it has a future land use designation, which is very similar to what the applicant

[1:10:07] and has a portion of it, which is low density residential,

[1:10:10] which is three to eight dwelling units per acre.

[1:10:12] So really what you're looking at is an undeveloped piece of property

[1:10:16] that has the ability to be developed

[1:10:17] and the manner in which the applicant has submitted their application

[1:10:21] and their plans really strictly prevents that.

[1:10:25] And your approval of that would essentially constitute a taking in our mind

[1:10:29] that you're saying this property should not be developed.

[1:10:32] We're also part of the overall JPA boundary

[1:10:36] where a future part of the city, the city of St. Cloudwood,

[1:10:39] provide utilities to us.

[1:10:41] If there's no ride away, there's no provision for that either.

[1:10:45] You know, I hear, I've been to many city council meetings,

[1:10:49] and I hear the council discuss and talk about tax base

[1:10:53] and increase in home values.

[1:10:55] You've got a large piece of property with over 600 feet

[1:10:58] of late frontage that would have a great value,

[1:11:03] much like these residents if they're here in the audience.

[1:11:06] I know a few of them are to the West, that would be part of the city in the future,

[1:11:11] and we're basically preventing that from happening.

[1:11:14] So I just don't, it just doesn't seem to make sense.

[1:11:17] The interconnectivity is a hallmark of the mixed-use goals, objectives, and policies.

[1:11:23] And it just seems to be that for some reason, I couldn't tell you why,

[1:11:28] but the property to the South just continually keeps getting overlooked.

[1:11:32] But hey, we'll even provide access to the west now.

[1:11:36] We've done it to the east.

[1:11:39] Whether or not they make an offer on the property has nothing to do with that.

[1:11:42] They've offered to buy any of the neighbor's properties, no, but they're offering to provide any connectivity.

[1:11:47] It has nothing to do with it.

[1:11:48] There's submitting an application for the council review.

[1:11:52] You guys have the decision, ultimately, does it meet those policies?

[1:11:57] And again, I'll go back to the legal authority.

[1:12:00] We talked about over and over on those council action items.

[1:12:04] Mr. Mayor, essentially, Mr. Cooper asked one specific question, and so I think you're getting upstream as to what there's a process on this.

[1:12:15] I'm still asking the question, I'll go back again.

[1:12:21] What do you want to, why do you need the 50 foot opening?

[1:12:25] We feel the property should be developed as late front lots.

[1:12:29] It should be very similar to what you see to the way.

[1:12:31] Mr. Keypler, he's asking about your client's property.

[1:12:34] Yes sir, that's what I'm talking about.

[1:12:36] So you think the 50 foot right away is needed to build,

[1:12:40] develop your client's property as late front lots?

[1:12:43] Certainly.

[1:12:43] That's your answer.

[1:12:44] Certainly.

[1:12:45] Yes sir.

[1:12:46] Thank you.

[1:12:48] Councilor Rescue.

[1:12:51] I did meet with these folks a long time ago.

[1:12:54] And we've basically talked about a little bit about parking and things like that.

[1:12:59] I do have some concerns with parking, so if you can, like in the townhomes there,

[1:13:04] is there going to be parking in front of those townhomes, like right up to the house or on the street?

[1:13:12] Excuse me. Hey, this is Jimmy Dunne. I work for Randy.

[1:13:15] 32 West Plant Street when I guard in Florida. And I worked in conjunction with staff

[1:13:20] and our team at the office today kind of scrambling to make this thing work.

[1:13:23] work. And what we ended up doing is we used a calculation of four spaces per town home.

[1:13:29] So we four and a half, thank you Liam. You always are there to back me up. So yeah, we

[1:13:35] used four and a half across the board for both the single family and we had 86 and we were

[1:13:44] able to find the 87th. So it worked out.

[1:13:50] So will that be two in the garage?

[1:13:51] I'm sorry.

[1:13:52] I'm sorry.

[1:13:53] Sorry.

[1:13:53] Will that be two in the garage and two in the driveway for the townhouse?

[1:13:56] Yes, sir.

[1:13:56] That's correct.

[1:13:57] Is that kind of where you're going?

[1:14:01] I do have some kind of the good and the bad of this and it's, some of this is more on the

[1:14:06] site plan.

[1:14:06] I know we're talking about the annexation right now, but I did have a conversation with Mr.

[1:14:11] June and Mr. Lockery about about this and I kind of went over a lot of what I'm about

[1:14:15] to talk about.

[1:14:17] Some of the good parts about this are there's no boat ramp, no keyhole development with the access to the to the lake.

[1:14:24] There's observation deck for enjoyment by the community, dark sky provisions,

[1:14:30] border friendly landscaping, a lot of stuff.

[1:14:31] We're trying to incorporate into a lot of these developments, adequate buffer to the west with

[1:14:36] transitional density going from the west to the east, kind of putting the larger lots on the west

[1:14:41] in the smaller lots on the east, workforce housing, which is I think is great and definitely

[1:14:46] needed in the community. I wasn't really a fan of the roundabouts that were in here

[1:14:51] before and that's been removed, so that's good. But some of the bad is, again, no connection

[1:14:57] to the south, I think it's only 20.

[1:15:00] So, I think I'm going to repeat that the access drive is to the property of the south, and even getting secondary emergency access, something back there in case that gets blocked off, or something happens. A tree falls that's, you know, in this landscape firm and goes kind of across that, the 20 foot driveway. No connection to the west commercial, I think we talked about that enough. And then I see in some of the cross sections that's four foot sidewalk,

[1:15:31] I don't know what ours is, whether it's four foot or five foot, but I'd like to see five foot sidewalk in here as well.

[1:15:39] So it's kind of my thoughts and comments about the property.

[1:15:47] Do we have any other discussion from Council?

[1:15:54] Any other questions?

[1:15:55] I wanted to respond to Mr. Kibbler's statement.

[1:16:00] Leonard Thompson, 6-8-15 Old Melbourne Highway, St. Clown, property owner of the subject property to give a little more history on that project, on this project in access to the South.

[1:16:16] We have, either myself or the engineers have negotiated with Mr. Lockery to try to come to some amiable agreement on offering him access

[1:16:30] access made several different ways to offer access and was refused.

[1:16:36] The reason they want access that's not being told is that's not

[1:16:40] available property.

[1:16:42] It's a private residence and I don't believe access has to be granted to a private

[1:16:47] residence so it can be developed.

[1:16:50] So that's the purpose behind it.

[1:16:52] The 20-foot driveway that he has does not allow him to develop his property.

[1:16:58] I've had these discussions with him for the past two years about offering access.

[1:17:04] And so to no avail.

[1:17:06] We haven't, the only, we don't have not.

[1:17:10] There was mention of offering access to the West.

[1:17:13] We have not, we can't offer access to the West because Mr. Locker's driveway cuts that off.

[1:17:19] So there is no access.

[1:17:20] Yes, we have tried to propose different options so that for the purpose of the commercial along the front to make it more

[1:17:30] meanable for everyone involved. Mr. Puffin-Balls properties of the West, Mr. Danley's property there as well.

[1:17:37] They wanted access in there too to put in a common boulevard in, move Mr.

[1:17:43] Rockbury's private drive back or in exchange for the right away we've offers to purchase

[1:17:48] easement, let him retain the right away so that the commercial would be more uniform

[1:17:54] across the front and it would be a more amiable development overall he refused all offers.

[1:18:01] Now one other thing we do there's a leg that goes to the south to the lake of my property

[1:18:07] and obviously everything to the east is being developed and I am and have mentioned this to staff offering to maintain or retain a 50-foot access easement that gives access to everything is developed to the east between Mr. Lockhart's property and going to the east for future access possibility so that is on the table as well.

[1:18:34] Thank you.

[1:18:35] I would like to add to you that we're happy to have a five-foot sidewalk and a little

[1:18:41] four.

[1:18:42] So you're going to make that change.

[1:18:46] Do we have any other further discussion from Council?

[1:18:51] I'll normally do this.

[1:18:52] I'm going to let you speak.

[1:18:58] Chef Sheppler, 2029 Spring Lake Circle.

[1:19:00] I represent myself, my wife, and my parents who own 2191 Spring Lake Circle St.

[1:19:05] Club, Florida.

[1:19:07] And your offer for public to speak was about two seconds.

[1:19:11] I didn't realize that that was the only chance that we would have to speak.

[1:19:16] I'm a little disappointed in the plan with all of the townhomes.

[1:19:24] And I'm glad that parking has been addressed.

[1:19:27] But it's the poor people who live across the street are going to be sorely disappointed

[1:19:31] because who parks their car in the garage in Florida, not many people?

[1:19:36] a lot of times it's in the driveway, so if each town home is a lot of four spots,

[1:19:41] those poor houses across the street from the town home are going to be in trouble.

[1:19:46] But I would like to thank Mr. Thompson and the developer planner guys.

[1:19:52] They did meet with our community and it was very beneficial and they were pleasant to work

[1:19:59] with.

[1:19:59] One thing that I heard just tonight was access to the west, that is one thing our neighborhood

[1:20:05] did not want because with 173 units there, the way to get out is going to be coming through

[1:20:13] if they can get across Mr. Lockery's driveway is going to be through our neighborhood.

[1:20:18] And then in the mornings we already have difficulty getting out on the Hickory Tree Road.

[1:20:23] So another issue that I'm concerned about is making sure I know that it said that there's

[1:20:29] adequate water but I'm not convinced there's adequate water. St. Cloud has adequate water

[1:20:35] for this development or all of the other ones that are going on or adequate sanitary sewer

[1:20:40] capacity. Let's see one other thing.

[1:20:46] An earlier meetings that was talked about a 62 and a

[1:20:49] half foot wide lots along the property. To me it's interesting that the council member

[1:20:54] who requested that's no longer here and this the meeting for this has been postponed and

[1:20:59] postponed and postponed. Now a couple of different times. So it just is a little

[1:21:04] fishy that you know the one person that was fighting for wider lots especially

[1:21:10] on the east is no longer here.

[1:21:15] Let's see what else that I have.

[1:21:19] I think it's the

[1:21:20] city of St. Claude really needs to look at the mixed use. I don't think it's

[1:21:24] appropriate. I think it's a catch-all. It's an easy way to go so you can just kind of

[1:21:30] So they can throw things out there.

[1:21:32] I think there needs to be a better, and I don't know what it is, because I've tried to research it, and I haven't been able to figure it out yet.

[1:21:41] But I think there's a better solution to zoning this property like this, rather than throwing it out of this mixed use.

[1:21:51] Thank you.

[1:21:51] Thank you sir.

[1:21:54] It brings us to item number 21820. What is the pleasure of the council?

[1:21:59] Do I have a motion?

[1:22:02] 24.

[1:22:03] Uh, I'm not looking at the right one.

[1:22:05] Yes, 24.

[1:22:06] 218, 24.

[1:22:08] On the annexation.

[1:22:19] Do I have a motion?

[1:22:23] Motion to approve, uh, ordinance, 218, 214.

[1:22:26] Second.

[1:22:27] We have a motion from council member Trace and a second from council member Cooper.

[1:22:34] Madam Clerk.

[1:22:34] Aye.

[1:22:35] Deputy Mayor Mathini.

[1:22:36] Aye.

[1:22:37] Council Member Cooper.

[1:22:38] Aye.

[1:22:39] Council Member Asquith.

[1:22:40] Aye.

[1:22:40] Council Member Trace.

[1:22:41] Aye.

[1:22:42] Mayor Blackwell.

[1:22:43] Aye.

[1:22:44] Motion carries 5-0.

[1:22:47] Ranked list of item number 218-25.

[1:22:50] Do I have a motion?

[1:22:53] So moved.

[1:22:54] We have a motion from Council Member Cooper.

[1:22:56] Do I have a second?

[1:22:58] Second.

[1:22:59] I have a motion from Council Member Mathini.

[1:23:01] Madam Clerk.

[1:23:02] Council Member Cooper.

[1:23:03] Aye.

[1:23:04] Council Member Asquith.

[1:23:05] ask you council member Trace aye deputy mayor mothini aye mayor blackwell aye motion carries five zero

[1:23:15] Item number twenty eighteen dash twenty six do I have a motion

[1:23:20] mr. maize iris have a question first yes um for the the sidewalk from four feet to five feet where

[1:23:27] would we add that in the site plan the zoning um i believe the best would be in the in the master plan

[1:23:33] and concept plan.

[1:23:34] Okay.

[1:23:36] You could make that as a condition of that.

[1:23:38] Under the concept?

[1:23:39] Yeah, which would be the last item to catch on.

[1:23:42] Andre, you have a difference of opinion like usual.

[1:23:45] Yes, me.

[1:23:46] Oh, you've added a PSP.

[1:23:48] Please. Thanks for catching on.

[1:23:52] Could I entertain a motion for item number 2018-26?

[1:23:58] Second.

[1:24:00] We have a motion for councilmember Cooper,

[1:24:01] second by Muthini, Madam Clerk.

[1:24:05] Councilmember, I ask you.

[1:24:06] Aye.

[1:24:06] Council Member Craves.

[1:24:08] Aye.

[1:24:08] Deputy Mayor Methena.

[1:24:09] Council Member Cooper.

[1:24:11] Aye.

[1:24:11] Mayor Blackwell.

[1:24:12] Aye.

[1:24:13] Motion carries 5-0.

[1:24:17] Can we move to Council Action?

[1:24:19] Yes.

[1:24:20] Since we're addressing these issues, item number 3, request the City Council approval for

[1:24:26] the preliminary subdivision plan to their

[1:24:36] out of order.

[1:24:39] You want me to switch them number 4 first?

[1:24:42] Request City Council approval of item number four of the concept master plan with the addition of the five foot sidewalks, is that correct?

[1:24:52] I think staff would rather see it in the PSP, which is the next item.

[1:25:00] You can put it in both, if you like.

[1:25:04] We'll just put it in both.

[1:25:05] Thank you, sir.

[1:25:07] Do you have a motion for the adoption of item number four?

[1:25:10] I have a question.

[1:25:11] Yes, council member, I ask you, I'm sorry.

[1:25:14] Well, while you're throwing them there, this is just merely, you have a 20-foot setback.

[1:25:19] Anyway, you can get a 25-foot setback.

[1:25:21] If you go into communities with a 20-foot setback, it looks totally different.

[1:25:25] Yeah, cars and sidewalks, things like that.

[1:25:27] Is that a possibility?

[1:25:30] Would that be garage setback?

[1:25:31] Yeah.

[1:25:33] Could you do that?

[1:25:34] Yes.

[1:25:35] Fantastic.

[1:25:38] You'll come back with that recommendation.

[1:25:41] Okay.

[1:25:41] 25-foot garage setbacks.

[1:25:48] Excuse me, Council.

[1:25:50] Before we make a motion on this, we did have a few discussions on the concept plan.

[1:25:55] Before we make a motion on it, I want to make sure that our motion includes those things

[1:25:58] that you requested.

[1:26:00] So we've now just talked about the 25-foot garage setback.

[1:26:03] We also talked about revising the parking plan, which was shown to you tonight, which includes

[1:26:09] additional parking, 4.5 spaces per unit.

[1:26:13] it so they will be revising that upon your decision tonight.

[1:26:17] So I want to make sure all those things are in your motion.

[1:26:20] And a five foot sidewalk.

[1:26:23] That's usually in the preliminary subdivision plan, but for

[1:26:27] the parking calculations, as well as the dimensions of the,

[1:26:33] I'm sure you can throw it in the concept.

[1:26:38] Five foot sidewalk and the concept plan as well.

[1:26:40] Are we thoroughly confused?

[1:26:42] Do we have all that?

[1:26:42] We have those three items.

[1:26:43] I have five foot sidewalks 25 foot garage sitbacks 4.5 parking spaces.

[1:26:51] Is that correct? Is there anything else?

[1:26:56] I believe that's it. Thank you

[1:26:59] Do I have a motion with those changes for item number four motion to approve?

[1:27:04] Have a motion from Councilmember Aschews second for Councilmember Cooper Madam Clerk Councilmember Trace

[1:27:10] Hi deputy Mayor Muthini. Hi Councilmember Cooper. Hi

[1:27:15] Councilmember Aschew. Hi Mayor Blackwell. Hi motion carries

[1:27:19] 5-0 brings us to item number three with those same additions of a five foot sidewalk 25 foot setbacks 4.5 parking spaces as

[1:27:29] Well as providing the access on the PSP for the eastern connection

[1:27:36] If requested by council

[1:27:43] so moved

[1:27:44] We agree with them the access. Yes. Yes, the addition of the access you

[1:27:54] agree on it

[1:27:57] Adoption for with those four additions

[1:28:00] So moved

[1:28:01] Motion for councilmember Athena second by councilmember Cooper madam clerk

[1:28:06] Deputy mayor mithini I councilmember Cooper. Hi councilmember ask you. Hi councilmember Trace. Hi mayor blackwell. Hi

[1:28:14] motion carries five zero

[1:28:25] We thank you mr. We are sounds and I think so

[1:28:38] Thank you mr.

[1:28:42] Manzerra. I so I believe you have a

[1:28:47] I do, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Item number four, we're going to ask the council to continue

[1:28:52] this item to the next council meeting to address some issues related to the standards

[1:28:57] and the adoption of a resolution that imposes some detail. However, since it is an ordinance,

[1:29:03] we'll need to have Ivy read it into the record and then we'd ask for a motion to continue

[1:29:06] it to the-

[1:29:09] Thank you.

[1:29:11] Madam Clerk, will you please read item number four?

[1:29:13] Final public hearing for ordinance number 2019-01.

[1:29:17] In ordinance of the City Council of the City of St. Claude, Florida, amending Article 6,

[1:29:21] construction design standards for pavement and drainage systems of the Land Development Code,

[1:29:25] amending Article 7, utilities of the Land Development Code, repealing ordinance number 2014-26 in

[1:29:31] its entirety, and re-adopting and codifying the city code, standards previously adopted by

[1:29:36] resolution of the City Council providing for

[1:29:39] serobility, conflict, codification, effective date.

[1:29:44] Do I have a motion for continuance?

[1:29:47] Tell me.

[1:29:48] I have a motion from Councilmember Muthini,

[1:29:52] seconded Councilmember Cooper for continuance of item number four to

[1:29:55] February 14th.

[1:29:58] Madam Clerk.

[1:29:59] Councilmember Cooper.

[1:30:00] Councillor, council member ask you. Councillor, overtrace. Aye. Deputy Mayor McLean. Aye. Mayor Blackwell. Aye.

[1:30:07] Closing carried, five, zero. Bring to us item number five, panel clerk.

[1:30:13] Final public hearing for ordinance number 2019-02. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St.

[1:30:18] Claude, Florida, amending Article 3, do any regulations of the Land Development Code of the city of St. Claude, changing and assigning floodplain administrative, providing for cerebral and complex codification and effective date.

[1:30:29] Good

[1:30:43] evening, Dan and Raleigh, Public Services Administrator.

[1:30:48] Through some of the issues that we had in the grid with infill lots and fill, we determined that the building department and the City of St. Cloud is the greatest point of interest to deal with permits coming in and worth it needs to be done on a lot.

[1:31:03] So we prepared this ordinance to change from having the city engineer being the floodplain program administrator to the building official, which currently is Doug Tillery at this time.

[1:31:19] I don't know if you have any additional questions from the first reading to now.

[1:31:23] Would anyone in the audience like to speak to this item?

[1:31:26] If not, we'll entertain a motion or questions by Council.

[1:31:31] Motion to approve.

[1:31:32] Second.

[1:31:33] We have a motion from Councilmember Muthini second by ask you.

[1:31:37] Madam Clerk.

[1:31:38] Councilmember ask you.

[1:31:39] All right.

[1:31:40] Councilmember Trays.

[1:31:41] Aye.

[1:31:41] Deputy Mayor Muthini.

[1:31:43] Aye.

[1:31:43] Councilmember Cooper.

[1:31:45] Aye.

[1:31:45] Mayor Blackwell.

[1:31:46] Aye.

[1:31:47] Motion carries 5-0.

[1:31:51] Brings us to Council action.

[1:31:53] Item number one resolution 219-014.

[1:31:56] Madam Clerk.

[1:31:57] Resolution number 2,019-014R, a resolution of City Council of the City of St.

[1:32:02] Claude, Florida, approving a water and wastewater service agreement for Church

[1:32:06] of Live Bank, for the institutional development named Hagerie Tree Charter School located

[1:32:10] in the unincorporated areas of Osteola County on the east side of Hagerie Tree Road south

[1:32:15] of US-192 north of Nelty Road west of Live Oak Boulevard, authorizing the city manager

[1:32:20] to execute their agreement and providing an effective date.

[1:32:22] Good

[1:32:26] evening, Diane Raleigh, Public Services Administrator.

[1:32:32] Resolution 2019-14R for approved would be for a water and waste water service agreement

[1:32:39] for the Hickory Tree Charter School by Church Alive Inc.

[1:32:43] This development meets our infrastructure strategic plan goal.

[1:32:49] Church Alive Inc. is requesting a water and waste water service to their property located

[1:32:53] on Hickory Tree Road south of U.S. Highway 192, north of Nolte Road and west of Liva Boulevard

[1:33:02] for the institutional development of Hickory Tree Charter School.

[1:33:07] This is in the unincorporated part of Oceola County.

[1:33:11] The proposed development is within our water and wastewater service area.

[1:33:18] So it does require council approval to enter into the agreement.

[1:33:23] There were discussions brought up about stacking the parking or having the car stack on their development so that it doesn't interfere with traffic or cause additional traffic concerns as you can see on this drawing they have addressed that issue we

[1:33:41] have determined that there is available water and wastewater capacity to serve this project and at this time the applicant is requesting approval from the council I'm

[1:33:53] not sure if the applicant here would like to speak to

[1:34:02] please say your name.

[1:34:04] Good evening. My name is John Moody with all-seal engineering and corporates. I represent the applicant and the applicant to answer any questions.

[1:34:12] Thank you.

[1:34:14] Would anyone of the audience like to speak to this item?

[1:34:18] We have discussion of motion by council.

[1:34:20] Motion to approve.

[1:34:21] We have motion by council member Matini. Do I have a second?

[1:34:24] Second.

[1:34:24] Second by council member ASCUE, Madam Clerk.

[1:34:27] Council member Trace.

[1:34:29] Aye.

[1:34:30] Deputy Mayor Matini.

[1:34:31] Aye.

[1:34:31] Council member Cooper.

[1:34:32] Aye.

[1:34:33] Okay.

[1:34:33] Council member ask you.

[1:34:34] All right.

[1:34:35] Mayor Blackwell.

[1:34:36] Aye.

[1:34:36] Motion carries 5-0.

[1:34:40] Now to talk here we have number two.

[1:34:42] Resolution number 2019-029R.

[1:34:45] A resolution of the City Council of the City of St. Claude, Florida,

[1:34:48] authorizing and directing the mayor to enter into an agreement

[1:34:50] with Johnny Pizz Construction Inc.

[1:34:52] Per request of the proposal RFP number 2018-192

[1:34:56] for design and installation of all inclusive park equipment

[1:35:00] and amenities providing reform and effective date.

[1:35:02] Good evening, Stephanie Holkamp, Parks and Recreation Director.

[1:35:21] Wrong way.

[1:35:25] Okay.

[1:35:26] This resolution is requiring you to enter an agreement for design installation and park equipment and amenities for the 901 Virginia.

[1:35:36] A little background

[1:35:41] of this may of 2018, the City Council directed staff to put in a bid for the purchase of 901 Virginia.

[1:35:51] Now, it was surplus property from the school board.

[1:35:55] In September of 18, we contracted with OCEO engineering and had them to perform professional engineering services for the all-inclusive park.

[1:36:04] In December 2018, we issued an RFP for the design installation and play component structures, which is in front of you this evening.

[1:36:15] In January of 2019, we had a committee review of those proposals and a recommendation was made.

[1:36:25] This would be the all-inclusive park on not a one Virginia.

[1:36:33] This is the landscaping and landscaping plan for the park.

[1:36:38] All of this remade, all of this meets the land development code for landscaping and buffering.

[1:36:44] then

[1:36:48] on January 9th, we had a community meeting or a public meeting held at the

[1:36:54] community house. We sent out 66 public meeting notices, 12 residents attended

[1:37:00] the meeting and we also placed signs on the property for anyone to attend.

[1:37:07] Some

[1:37:07] of the concerns or comments that came out of the public meeting were flooding

[1:37:12] issues. There was flooding issues adjacent to the park on the west side on Virgin

[1:37:18] you now.

[1:37:21] During this meeting, we had Ocele Engineering at the meeting and they determined

[1:37:28] that the park would not increase the stormwater volume in this area. They were also concerned

[1:37:34] about the increase of traffic and noise in this area. This park would only be open from

[1:37:41] dawn to dusk and the landscaping buffering and fence would help with the noise to the area.

[1:37:48] This is a retired, the immediate Jason area in the town home, which is there, most of them are retirees.

[1:37:57] This is though, there is within a quarter mile radius of this park through services 565 kids.

[1:38:06] The speed limit on 10th, they were concerned about the safety that was proposed in the plan to put an electronic flashing crossing sign system so the kids could get across the street safely.

[1:38:17] Criminal mischief and vandalism in the park, we will have security cameras, we'll have perimeter lighting around the park, not on the interior of the park, it would give the perception that the park was open in the evening.

[1:38:33] The park is too close to homes, this comment came from the property owners to the east of the park property, we have met with them on site a few times.

[1:38:44] So additional landscaping could be added.

[1:38:52] The park would decrease in property value.

[1:38:55] I have not seen any literature that shows that parks decrease property value.

[1:39:01] In fact, there was an article in the American Planning Association and it talked about how

[1:39:07] parks helped property values in the adjacent area.

[1:39:13] And then they were also considered concerned about their privacy.

[1:39:18] We did, like I said, the landscaping buffer and also there's a chain link fence now.

[1:39:24] I think there were some concerns that was just a chain link fence, but we're actually going to put slats in it.

[1:39:32] And then the funding, the total cost of the project is $985,000.

[1:39:39] What's in front of you tonight is actual playground equipment in the installation, which is $760,000.

[1:39:46] And so the additional would be for the civil work, we were offered an applied for CDBG funding through the county at 500,000 and we are currently working with the county to finalize that agreement.

[1:40:01] The funding has to be spent by May of 2019 and the project completed by June 30 of 2019 to receive those funds.

[1:40:09] So in reality, tonight we would be spending 260,000 out of recreational impact fees to pay

[1:40:18] for the difference.

[1:40:19] If the CDBG funding is not approved through the agreement, then there is the additional

[1:40:25] 500,000 available in the Parks and Recreation Impact fees.

[1:40:34] Staff recommends approval of Resolution 2019 to $1,9R,

[1:40:41] and I can answer any questions.

[1:41:01] I will be living directly across from this park as well as nine other of my neighbors.

[1:41:09] It's 80 feet from my front door.

[1:41:13] I passed out or someone passed out packets, and I think you all received them.

[1:41:20] And I have addendums to those if I could give you.

[1:41:25] Senator, right?

[1:41:26] I'll be passed ahead, of course.

[1:41:39] I am president of the Vera Cruz Homeowners Association.

[1:41:44] And as president, I'm obligated to provide safety and security for our residents.

[1:41:49] and to maintain the aesthetics and property values for the homeowners.

[1:41:54] I hope you've all had a chance to review the report and understand our fears and concerns

[1:41:59] for what you're trying to do to our neighborhood and our homes.

[1:42:03] If anyone did not receive one, I have extras.

[1:42:07] Our turnout tonight is low because most of the people that would be affected by your park

[1:42:11] are senior citizens, and they don't go out at night.

[1:42:15] Most of the people in our neighborhood, even though all the packets were supposedly sent

[1:42:21] out, we have four Hispanic families and they do not speak or read English and they had

[1:42:28] no idea what was going on.

[1:42:31] We have not had sufficient time to complete our study and still have many unanswered questions.

[1:42:38] We still have many questions regarding the choice of location, legal matters, liability,

[1:42:42] facility, flooding, security, et cetera.

[1:42:47] We would like to have you do a comparison between the Census Park and Kissimmee, which

[1:42:52] is what I passed out to you, that is just being completed in your design.

[1:42:58] Census Park was designed by Oceola County Public Lands Manager Bob Mindick and Oceola County

[1:43:04] Commissioner Viviana Jenner.

[1:43:07] We would like to get their opinions on the location and design of your proposed park.

[1:43:12] With so many unanswered questions, legal considerations, and safety concerns, we ask that you vote no on the approval of this park.

[1:43:21] Thank you.

[1:43:23] Thank you.

[1:43:30] Ronald

[1:43:32] Collins, is that correct?

[1:43:34] Am I ready to get that correct?

[1:43:36] I'm not ready.

[1:43:37] See here.

[1:43:40] John Connolly.

[1:43:46] Mayor.

[1:43:48] Good evening.

[1:43:49] My name's John Connolly.

[1:43:50] I live at 900 Maryland Avenue, St. Cloud, Florida.

[1:43:54] our property is adjacent to the park about 130 feet of frontage to the park. I want to start

[1:44:05] actually to thank Councilman Asquith for coming out yesterday to look at our side of the

[1:44:13] story. City manager Sturgeon and Parks Department head hole camp. They came out. They walked our

[1:44:23] property line and look back through to where this proposed park is.

[1:44:28] We have three concerns I don't have much time and they are fencing tree preservation and

[1:44:34] the park concept.

[1:44:36] The fencing as now proposed, the park would use chain link.

[1:44:40] There are three private properties that border this park.

[1:44:45] This affords no privacy.

[1:44:47] The proposed hedge material will take years to fill in.

[1:44:52] I have spent the last 40 years as a partner in a nursery in South Florida growing trees for mostly

[1:45:00] A tropical south Florida, but we know a lot about trees and how long they take to grow and what you're proposing will offer no buffer and will offer no canopy for more than a decade. I propose a, I propose a non-white vinyl fence for only the east property line for some semblance of immediate privacy from park activities. One half of this property line

[1:45:29] has numerous large trees.

[1:45:33] I propose the fence should accommodate these as they will add immediate large canopy and diversity to the park.

[1:45:43] Now the trees, there are over 65 trees in this 130-foot border that range in size from 25 to 60 feet.

[1:45:59] Two large trees, a camper and a guana costate, also known as a monkey year, are so close and I believe both straddle our property and the city's property.

[1:46:14] Taking one out will probably kill the other.

[1:46:18] These trees will offer more canopy than all the trees presently presented in this proposal.

[1:46:26] just those two trees. These trees offer a two-step process in thinning this tree line.

[1:46:36] First trim the low trees and foliage, step back, re-evaluate the large trees and their value.

[1:46:43] I believe you will be amazed that the diversity, the canopy, especially in summer, the canopy is quite large.

[1:46:50] The colors of the fall will be an additional plus for the park.

[1:46:59] The habitat includes two species of woodpecker, the red-shouldered hawk, two species of owls,

[1:47:11] and several other species of birds.

[1:47:14] The last part I know I ran over my time, the concept.

[1:47:19] The concept is not a park, let's be clear it is a playground.

[1:47:25] You cannot compare this to existing parks in the States, you can only contrast them.

[1:47:30] God win park over 80,000 square feet playground area dedicated 1,100 square feet less than 2% of total area.

[1:47:40] O.P. Johnson over 80,000 square feet playground area, 1,050 approximate square feet less than 2% of total area.

[1:47:51] This Virginia Avenue proposed park.

[1:47:55] Let me just back to our Godwin has tennis racket ball in a huge green area surrounded by very old pine trees.

[1:48:05] O.P. Johnson provides tennis basketball and baseball.

[1:48:10] I need to wrap it up, okay?

[1:48:13] Okay, 41,000 square feet, this proposed park.

[1:48:18] The playground area is 16,200 feet,

[1:48:22] 39% of the entire area.

[1:48:25] 43% of the grass that is there now

[1:48:28] will be covered with concrete or synthetic material.

[1:48:32] I implore you to vote against this proposal.

[1:48:36] Thank you very much for your input

[1:48:40] Mr. Sturgeon. Yes, Mayor. Thank you Mr. Connelly had given me some handwritten notes. I had him typed up

[1:48:45] I just wanted to give it to each council member and put it into the record

[1:48:48] Okay

[1:48:55] Would anyone else like to speak to this item?

[1:49:01] Please state your name and address for the record, please

[1:49:09] Good evening. He went crumpler machine evidence. Thank God Florida

[1:49:12] The last speaker actually touched on a couple of questions that I had

[1:49:16] First question was, what kind of trees are on there and what are we doing to preserve them all?

[1:49:21] Second question was, what kind of wildlife is on there?

[1:49:24] Have we examined that closely to make sure we're not interfering with that and we're preserving that?

[1:49:29] And I think the point about, this is a playground and not a park.

[1:49:34] I have a question, what is an all-inclusive park, what does that mean?

[1:49:37] But I would be in favor of a park that preserves the habitat for the wildlife,

[1:49:44] live preserves the trees, but I don't think this is a great place for a playground, and I really think we ought to re-look at that plan for that reason.

[1:49:56] Can somebody just answer real quickly what is an all-inclusive park?

[1:50:05] It's an all-inclusive park where children have all the abilities can play side by side.

[1:50:13] Yeah, wheelchair accessible.

[1:50:15] Yeah, thank you all that's a nice but I just don't think this is the right spot for that personally

[1:50:20] I think the last speaker made some very valid points

[1:50:24] Lastly, I if we don't get the $500,000 that you know the

[1:50:30] That's in the plan here. I think that would be a terrible waste of money

[1:50:33] For us to have to pay for that

[1:50:35] But anyway, I just think that you know playgrounds or playgrounds parks or parks and if we had a nice place that people could sit in

[1:50:42] and it was pretty, that'd be nice,

[1:50:44] but I don't think this is a right spot for a playground.

[1:50:47] Last comment, Mr. City Manager, on the agenda,

[1:50:51] could you please put the subjects for the workshops?

[1:50:53] Thank you.

[1:50:58] Mr. Sturgeon.

[1:50:59] Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:51:00] Would you run last time?

[1:51:05] Go ahead and do the clerk, please.

[1:51:07] And it's the clerk, please.

[1:51:10] Please say your name and address for the record.

[1:51:14] Thank you.

[1:51:15] Valerie Anderson, 714 Kentucky Avenue, St. Cloud, Florida.

[1:51:19] So you have my letter with some attachments,

[1:51:20] which include maps and additional references, all of you, but Keith would remember that I was here in last May in support of the purchase of this park.

[1:51:30] So when I first heard about the proposal to put a park here, I was a really non-favor because I'm more of an infill development,

[1:51:37] a proponent of, you know, dense development near a city center.

[1:51:41] I thought this would be a good place for, like, three or four-story apartment for like workforce housing.

[1:51:47] But then I looked at the Transfer Public Land website where they have an assessment of parks within 10 minute walking distance.

[1:51:55] And there's a lot of, a lot of kids about half of which are low income on the South Side of Ten Street who don't have a park to walk to.

[1:52:03] And I also looked at the City of St. Claude Park's Master Plan, Trails Master Plan.

[1:52:09] And that Trails Master Plan actually has a, has a trail on 11th.

[1:52:13] And another trail that goes past Godwin Park.

[1:52:18] And so those were, I think that it fits in really well with the future accessibility.

[1:52:26] Non-car accessibility in the city, which, as a person who would like us to have less cars in the city side, that I think that will be really good.

[1:52:37] So, there are fine many reasons I believe this park will be a good addition.

[1:52:40] So the priority address the park's walkability issue in that area.

[1:52:46] So I live on Kentucky, so I'm not super close.

[1:52:49] This is not going to be a walk-o park for me.

[1:52:50] I don't have kids, but I know that my neighbors try and go to God when a lot, and you know they

[1:52:56] have a young kid, a young daughter, and it's pretty packed.

[1:53:00] And so it'd be nice if they had another place to play.

[1:53:04] That area has a pretty poor urban forest canopy, partially due to the townhomes there.

[1:53:10] there, they don't have a lot of trees, and one of Osceola counties, things that are trying

[1:53:15] to do is improve the urban forest canopy throughout the county.

[1:53:19] So this would help with that, and I looked at the plan for the park, and there's a lot of

[1:53:24] native trees in there, and replacing the monkey ear and the camper, which are both category

[1:53:28] one invasives, according to the invasive species council, the flora invasive species council,

[1:53:34] that would be a good thing for the wildlife in the area.

[1:53:36] You might see a slight decrease, but over five years, you'd be in a much better place.

[1:53:45] Also, within the parks plan, there's amenities such as picnic tables and other green space, which I think are really, really important.

[1:53:53] And I gave you all of my packets, which was kind of dumb, but you'll notice I, around, thank you.

[1:54:05] So I did a quick GIS analysis on the second map, it's on the back.

[1:54:13] And because I really like Godwin Park, so I wanted to see there's a few studies that I looked at and some of them say that parks with playgrounds decrease property values, but there's only one study that says that most of the other studies say that parks increase property values, particularly right around the park.

[1:54:32] And so I did a little analysis for Godwin Park.

[1:54:35] And it turns out that at home value parcels two parcels away from the park are at an average of 17% lower in value than the ones actually fronting the park.

[1:54:47] It is specifically in Godwin Park and this is using 2018 assessed values.

[1:54:52] Yeah, thank you.

[1:54:54] So I'm in favor, obviously.

[1:54:55] All right, thank you very much.

[1:54:58] Would anyone else like to speak to this item?

[1:55:02] Good evening, Richard Clark, landscape architect with Ossiel Engineering.

[1:55:06] I just want to make myself available if you have any questions as

[1:55:09] our firm was actually instrumental in both Census Inclusive Park as well as the design of this park.

[1:55:14] Thank you.

[1:55:15] Thank you very much.

[1:55:17] Please step to the podium please.

[1:55:21] And when you finish, please turn in a written record.

[1:55:30] I'm in favor of the park, we have a child with the disability, parks are far from where our property is, and the own inclusive park would be a real benefit.

[1:55:48] 500 kids within a quarter mile area that don't have a park is, you know, a big deal.

[1:55:57] And I do understand their concerns, but I do believe that a park would be a great

[1:56:04] addition and benefit to the area.

[1:56:07] Thank you.

[1:56:08] Thank you very much.

[1:56:11] Anyone else?

[1:56:12] If not, we'll turn to Council for discussion and our motion, Councilmember Trace.

[1:56:20] So I also wanted to talk through, put this together, report that Mr. Richard Oars put together.

[1:56:29] This is like the best report from a citizen I've ever seen, but it did bring up a lot

[1:56:35] of concerns with the property and there are some, what I like about it is, it doesn't just

[1:56:40] It brings up concerns, it brings up solutions too, which is always kind of nice.

[1:56:46] A couple of the issues, one of them being drainage, there is a drainage issue in the area, and it's all secondary drainage where it's all inlet and the pipe gets full, and after a couple of hours it'll subside.

[1:57:01] Keeping this as mostly green space will most likely help the situation, or not make it worse as if it was a total infill development.

[1:57:09] And if more town homes were built on the other side,

[1:57:12] it would actually make it a lot worse than it currently is.

[1:57:16] Parking, I think as the city, we should set the standard

[1:57:20] and do positive design or better design,

[1:57:25] especially on the parking.

[1:57:27] I don't like parking backing directly onto streets.

[1:57:31] I think that's unsafe.

[1:57:33] It should be in an off-street parking lot,

[1:57:35] unless it's on-street parallel parking in certain situations.

[1:57:39] So, the solution in this package by Mr. Orres showed a pretty good solution for just having an off-street parking lot.

[1:57:47] You know, something that we'd have to have, also engineering design properly.

[1:57:53] Buffers was another good concern.

[1:57:55] I don't think we should be using chain link fence wherever possible.

[1:57:59] If we need opaque fence, let's use some PVC vinyl fence.

[1:58:03] Or if we don't, we just need safety and security.

[1:58:06] which a playground should have some rot-iron tight fence or some of the

[1:58:13] fencing that's just not chainly fence essentially. Landscaping as well,

[1:58:19] planning canopy trees wherever we can. I didn't see a landscape plan in our

[1:58:23] package. It was mostly just a civil layout, but I think we should put in some,

[1:58:29] the Florida friendly landscaping with canopy trees to make sure that one of the

[1:58:33] biggest concerns at playgrounds is is there enough shade and I just want to make sure we're providing that.

[1:58:39] I think that is it for my list. Thank you.

[1:58:43] Councillor Muthini.

[1:58:45] Thank you.

[1:58:47] Let me see. I got a few things in here.

[1:58:50] So I am agreeing with, I sounds like everybody here that I'd like to do whatever we can to preserve trees.

[1:58:55] I know some are nuisance evasive but you know and people who are smarter about trees than me can make these decisions.

[1:59:00] but I'm not in favor of wholesale cutting down trees.

[1:59:05] I still have heartache over one that happened near my house.

[1:59:08] I won't mention it.

[1:59:10] So I know there has been some discussion,

[1:59:12] and I see it's in the notes that Mr. Connolly provided

[1:59:16] to the city manager about crime.

[1:59:19] I did talk about this in my agenda review with the police department.

[1:59:24] I didn't know if our police chief could comment on this.

[1:59:26] Do

[1:59:32] you find that parks moving into an area increases crime?

[1:59:36] Not necessarily.

[1:59:37] A lot of it is going to be the design of the park.

[1:59:39] We did a three year study on 12 existing parks and found that calls for service are within

[1:59:47] norms.

[1:59:48] Some of the parks like Lakeshore, which take up an awful lot because of this year's size.

[1:59:53] Occasionally there is a vandalism or occasionally we'll have somebody in the park after hours

[1:59:57] which we have to escort out.

[2:00:00] And in this particular case, I don't anticipate the size of this. The one thing I will do is the proper lighting that's available and certainly make it open enough where we don't have vandalism. Thanks for nothing that's going to attract. So one of the concerns that Mr. Connelly brought up was about the fencing and I didn't like the fencing that was described as chain link with slats in it. I'm, you know, this park has a big price tag on it that, you know, that seems like something we could potentially upgrade.

[2:00:27] I understand his concern immediately immediately adjacent to the park, and I don't know if we could possibly do an opaque fencing on that property land.

[2:00:35] I don't think you want to do it 360 because you want people to be able to see into the park and kind of monitor it, but maybe there was something we could do back there.

[2:00:44] One of the items I discussed in my gender review was on the parking since it is an all inclusive playground.

[2:00:53] And since there is a lot of accommodations for people with mobility issues,

[2:00:58] maybe we should have more handicap spaces or potentially larger spaces that could allow flexible use as far as people come and use the park.

[2:01:08] I know that it would decrease the number of parking spaces, but to me I was thinking you're going to probably have a higher number of people needing the larger parking stalls.

[2:01:18] So, I would be interested in looking at that.

[2:01:21] I know there's not specifically a parking requirement for this, so we wouldn't be breaking

[2:01:26] any parking rules.

[2:01:30] And then also, I would like to make this approval when I'm going to, you know, I'm assuming

[2:01:36] it's going to move forward, but contingent on us getting the CDBG funds, you know, I think

[2:01:43] But that to me is key in moving this project forward is getting that $500,000 in CDBG funds.

[2:01:51] Those are my comments.

[2:01:54] Do I have another comment from Rescue?

[2:01:57] So I walked it with John and his wife Becky and I like the idea of the park myself.

[2:02:07] He does have a lot of trees in that area and we walked with Stephanie and Arborist.

[2:02:12] And I think we could think that some of those trees can be saved.

[2:02:15] But one of the ideas, same thing, I've been Councilwoman Mathini, was maybe we can look at a different type of fencing.

[2:02:21] I think Stephanie came up with some wooden, slat fencing that's a little bit more natural.

[2:02:27] At first I said like a tan colored vinyl or something like that.

[2:02:31] But she even said that something a little more natural, like a wooden fence that ran along the backside of that.

[2:02:38] And if we were going for it, I would definitely like to see something like that.

[2:02:42] I think I'm going to, Mr. Trace, too, it'd be nicer to have a nicer fence, some kind of

[2:02:50] rot iron or something like that.

[2:02:52] I think the, you know, sort of cheapening it down when you put a chain length fence in

[2:02:57] there.

[2:03:00] Councilor Cooker.

[2:03:01] Thank you.

[2:03:01] When I see the candy kept parking coming off of Virginia Avenue or parking there, it looks

[2:03:09] like when they unload and offload and load back, that it's going to take quite of an area

[2:03:17] into Virginia's area of the roadway, and it seems like to me it would be much better

[2:03:24] if we could put it like I think Mr. Tray said if you can put it more into the

[2:03:31] front section coming off of 10th Street maybe that you could come in off there

[2:03:37] and come back out of there from one end to the other we've got about 150 feet

[2:03:42] there I believe and put the parking in the front there and use some of the side

[2:03:48] where they're going to have parking now that they have the canopies and some

[2:03:53] some privacy fence along the mayor.

[2:03:57] Thank you.

[2:04:00] Mr. Benzer.

[2:04:01] Yeah, I was just as we'll listen to the council discuss this

[2:04:03] and Mr. Sturgeon, I was just talking about this.

[2:04:06] The item before you is a contract to acquire the equipment.

[2:04:11] And that's the only item before you tonight.

[2:04:14] It sounds like obviously there's been a lot of comments put

[2:04:17] in place about things that the council might want to see

[2:04:19] that you don't necessarily see on the documents in front

[2:04:23] of you now.

[2:04:23] So you could move forward with the acquisition of the contract condition as Councilwoman Muthini pointing out on getting the grant money to pay for the line share of the cost.

[2:04:36] And then Mr. Sturgeon, maybe some else has to have the actual final plan as to what the fencing is going to look like, you know, the parking issues and all that brought back before you to look at this your park.

[2:04:50] So unlike somebody else's development, you do get to participate in what it's going to look like.

[2:04:56] So you could do that as a suggestion and just move forward with the contract away.

[2:04:59] It is now and then bring back whatever the final plan is going to look like as soon as possible and take a good look at it.

[2:05:06] And then you can address some of these issues because I think you've batted around a lot of different things.

[2:05:10] And you want to make a think staff really wants to make sure they get it right.

[2:05:13] Well, I'd just like to, in my discussion with the city manager, he was certainly impressed

[2:05:19] with the reports, the concerns that the residents and the community share.

[2:05:23] And you know, his response was, we want to do whatever we can to make this work and make

[2:05:28] it something that would be compatible with neighborhood and something that would ultimately

[2:05:33] be an asset.

[2:05:34] So, I drove around as some of our other parks just to kind of get an idea of what was happening

[2:05:40] at our parks and it was really neat seeing the young moms there with their kids and grandparents

[2:05:45] there with their grandbabies. And I just think this would ultimately be an asset to you guys that

[2:05:54] you would ultimately enjoy because I know the parks that we've been providing this far, the upgrades

[2:06:02] have really been nice improvements to the community and have been maintained well.

[2:06:07] So, I think you have certainly a council and certainly a staff here that's willing to

[2:06:17] work with you on these parking, because I'm concerned about the parking issues.

[2:06:20] I'd like to see a broad iron fencing, but those are other issues that I believe that you

[2:06:24] guys would be more than happy to address.

[2:06:27] Councilmember Asquith?

[2:06:28] Can I just throw one more zinger in there, is there a way that staff, the university staff can

[2:06:34] work with the Connellese to their tree line there, their family's been planting trees

[2:06:38] there since he was born.

[2:06:40] So they seem very, everybody seems very reasonable and they understand what are good trees and

[2:06:46] bad trees.

[2:06:46] So that's the last singer.

[2:06:51] All right.

[2:06:51] Does anybody want to make a motion with a singer or a secret of that?

[2:06:54] Or what?

[2:06:55] Mayor, it's up to you.

[2:06:56] Can I say one more thing?

[2:06:57] Yes, ma'am.

[2:06:58] I'll stand up in the address.

[2:07:00] Please say true name and address again.

[2:07:01] Karen Cooper, 924 for Virginia.

[2:07:03] I think our biggest concern is the flooding.

[2:07:08] We watch the water run down Virginia across 10th Street and swirl around our parking

[2:07:14] lots.

[2:07:15] We've had it in our front doors.

[2:07:17] We've had it in our back doors.

[2:07:19] And we just feel that if you put more concrete or asphalt, that there's not going to be any

[2:07:25] field over there for the water to soak through.

[2:07:27] So, if you could also address the flooding issues and make sure that that is addressed

[2:07:33] before you approve this, you know, you've got 20 units there and a lot of us have had

[2:07:40] water and I think it's only going to get worse, so we'd really appreciate if you would

[2:07:45] address that.

[2:07:47] And that's where it needs to be addressed.

[2:07:48] Thank you.

[2:07:49] Thank you.

[2:07:53] One more time.

[2:07:57] Kathleen Kurtz, 1010 Maryland, I do understand what she's saying about the flooding issue but

[2:08:03] But if you go past there, live close there, you can see, as was noted, that their driveway

[2:08:10] is most of the problem.

[2:08:12] It goes, and that's where I understand there's water coming down that road, just like there

[2:08:17] is down other roads.

[2:08:19] But I want people to understand, I don't mind supplying government money for government

[2:08:26] parks or improvements, but we're not going to improve private property, which wasn't

[2:08:33] air on their part.

[2:08:34] No, thank you, ma'am.

[2:08:37] Councilman, I ask you.

[2:08:38] Is that a question that I see an engineer can answer in some of the drainage that our

[2:08:42] parks going to be put in?

[2:08:48] It's put down the spot there, Richard.

[2:08:49] It's not a problem.

[2:08:50] We've looked at this.

[2:08:52] The way that the park is designed, we've maximized the green space.

[2:08:55] We've also accommodated for stormwater on the site so that all the impervious in the site

[2:09:01] currently is going through a stormwater system, which then is being released, you know,

[2:09:05] in a controlled manner into directly into the storm drain.

[2:09:11] The development of a park at this location as it's designed will not have any increase to the storm water volume that is currently and historically experienced at this location.

[2:09:23] It will not exacerbate or attenuate the flooding problem that they currently have and will continue have until they address their onsite problems and until the public drainage system can be evaluated.

[2:09:35] determine its capacity and whether that's actually a problem or not.

[2:09:39] Thank you.

[2:09:41] Thank you.

[2:09:43] What's the pleasure of the council?

[2:09:45] I'll make a motion to approve.

[2:09:48] contingent on the CDBG funds being available for this project.

[2:09:54] We'll have a second.

[2:09:55] We'll have a motion.

[2:09:57] I'll second it.

[2:09:58] The fund.

[2:09:59] I have a second from council.

[2:10:01] We're asking.

[2:10:06] We're done talking.

[2:10:08] Thank you.

[2:10:10] Madam Clerk.

[2:10:11] Yes sir.

[2:10:12] Deputy Mayor Muthini.

[2:10:13] Aye.

[2:10:14] Councilmember Cooper.

[2:10:15] Aye.

[2:10:17] Councilmember ask you.

[2:10:18] Aye.

[2:10:19] Councilmember Trays.

[2:10:20] Aye.

[2:10:20] Mayor Blackwell.

[2:10:21] Aye.

[2:10:22] Motion carries 5-0.

[2:10:25] And it's all carries.

[2:10:34] It brings us to the city attorney.

[2:10:35] Mr. Benzeros.

[2:10:36] I do not have anything, Mr. Mayor.

[2:10:37] Thank you.

[2:10:42] Mr. Sturdy.

[2:10:43] Yes, thank you, Mayor.

[2:10:44] I'd like to yield my time to the police chief for a very good news story.

[2:10:49] It's kind of a shame everybody's leaving.

[2:10:51] But I wanted to share with you a latest announcement and it's a tribute to the fine work that the men and women of the police department do for our community.

[2:11:02] Each year, National Council of Home Safety and Security does a community safety evaluation of all cities in the United States.

[2:11:13] 134 cities in the state of Florida were evaluated.

[2:11:17] Valuation basically looks at the city's for violent crime, non-violent crime, as well as the ratio of police officers and their adequacy to their population, meaning our efficiency essentially as a police agency.

[2:11:31] And I'm proud to announce that I have 134 cities in the state of Florida, the city of St. Cloud was ranked the ninth,

[2:11:39] safeest city in the state of Florida and the cities that were ahead of us were

[2:11:44] substantially smaller and substantially a lot more well to do with a lot of

[2:11:50] gated guarded community. So number nine I have a hundred and thirty fours pretty

[2:11:54] good business in my opinion and I just want to share that with you. And also the

[2:11:59] national recognition you've got for your the drone program I keep hearing about

[2:12:03] that everywhere and it's pretty amazing. You'll see a lot more information coming

[2:12:08] out because it is truly the wave of the future and we're doing some cutting-edge things

[2:12:11] in that response.

[2:12:12] So, very proud of the men and women and the police department at this point.

[2:12:16] And we thank you for the amazing job that you and the department does.

[2:12:19] Thank you so much.

[2:12:20] Thank you very much.

[2:12:28] Council Member Muthini.

[2:12:30] I don't have anything.

[2:12:32] Council Member Cooper.

[2:12:33] Thank you.

[2:12:35] Mr. Sturgeon, can you give me your opinion of the water services that maybe the last

[2:12:44] the last staff when we had the last meeting for giving it to Tahoe, Water Authority, what

[2:12:57] your opinion?

[2:12:58] Well, if you remember at the last council workshop, the council workshop was directed to conduct

[2:13:03] a feasibility study of merging with Tahoe, and that has not been done and based on that

[2:13:11] I think we need to be very careful and think of it strategically because

[2:13:17] this would be one of the

[2:13:20] money cash cows that we've got right now and if we start giving it away and

[2:13:24] and do the same thing that we've done with OUC and we only get a 12%

[2:13:30] revenue coming back, we're going to give a lot of money out that we don't have

[2:13:36] that we enjoy all of these amenities that we've got now.

[2:13:41] So if you want to give it up, that's what we're getting close to do.

[2:13:45] What about the fire fees, police department, same thing?

[2:13:50] Would you be in the same...

[2:13:51] Well, again, I'm not going to speak on behalf of the police chief,

[2:13:54] but I am considering myself an expert in emergency medical services and fire service.

[2:13:59] And you know my background and my history here in the city of St. Clown,

[2:14:02] what I've done with that fire department.

[2:14:04] I think we have an outstanding fire department,

[2:14:06] and I think we need to continue to maintain control of our own fire department.

[2:14:09] And the last workshop when we were talking about it, there was the recommendation from

[2:14:17] the many that was here.

[2:14:22] Basically they were talking about a new tax bill, a tax fee.

[2:14:29] They mentioned a tax fee or some portion of it, of a different way.

[2:14:34] was in one of the last meetings that they were they were talking about it in it I'm sorry

[2:14:43] sir I'm confused I don't have to get it was it this workshop we were talking about

[2:14:47] the workshop yes sir I don't recall anything about I missed a tax or a fee that was

[2:14:53] Yes, sir.

[2:14:56] Oh, sorry. I don't

[2:14:57] remember. I don't have it. Yes, sir.

[2:15:00] Okay. But I just, I'm real scared of Larry when they have meetings and they bring things

[2:15:11] before us. And a lot of times they say, well, here's a recommendation, but we can, we

[2:15:16] can do something different or viable. And when we give services away, we're going to

[2:15:25] hurt ourselves.

[2:15:28] Thank you, sir. Councilman, we're asking you. I got nothing. Councilman

[2:15:32] retrace. I just want to thank the police department for the work that you do, especially

[2:15:38] just kind of a trying week for them with everything going on and they really deserve the new

[2:15:43] FOP agreement that we just enacted and I don't really talk about it on the record but it's

[2:15:48] Pretty good, and then also do we have a timeline of when agendas will show back up online?

[2:15:56] Because I thought with the new agenda software it would meet the ADA requirements pretty

[2:16:01] soon.

[2:16:02] Mr. Moonser.

[2:16:04] Well, the issue for websites does not necessarily have to do with the agenda shell, we refer

[2:16:10] to it as the shell itself.

[2:16:11] It has to do with the packet and the full packet and the ability to have those documents

[2:16:17] that you see as part of your packet able to be read or understood by basically limited

[2:16:25] site individuals on the website. So that's the big issue and as you know these documents,

[2:16:30] some of these documents have diagrams and pictures and all that and that's the struggle with

[2:16:36] the thing. So the shell itself of the agenda is not an issue for putting it on it's the attachments

[2:16:44] or the packet information that we're working to deal with.

[2:16:49] Is that on the website, though?

[2:16:52] I'm not seeing it on the website.

[2:16:53] Is the actual shell on there?

[2:16:54] I can make a comment.

[2:16:56] We're working on getting the right Adobe software

[2:17:00] that can make that readable for the limited site.

[2:17:04] We haven't got that yet, but we're working.

[2:17:05] Okay, because I thought the shell itself?

[2:17:07] No, we can't do that either.

[2:17:08] And if I could Mayor?

[2:17:11] Yes.

[2:17:11] The other thing Mr. Traces, we are met with several software vendors to try to figure out how we get those attachments put in those formats, because again, it's supposed to be accessible to every type of person in this disabled.

[2:17:25] Do we have a timeline?

[2:17:26] No, I don't.

[2:17:28] It's the shell, we can get the OW Pro.

[2:17:33] Yeah, we're working on getting that, that W Pro.

[2:17:35] So I also wanted to comment that we have anyone that has the need, we can put them on

[2:17:41] our distribution list, or we can send them the link and they can pull that up.

[2:17:45] So anybody does want to get the agenda?

[2:17:48] Just give us a call and we'll put them on our distribution list.

[2:17:51] And so what they'll essentially get is a specially dedicated link that they can access all the

[2:17:56] information.

[2:17:57] Just like the link we get.

[2:17:58] Yes, just like you guys.

[2:17:59] So which complies with the ADA requirements.

[2:18:02] I just want to make sure we're working.

[2:18:04] Yes, we had.

[2:18:05] I was excited when the new website was excited.

[2:18:07] I don't have any time line and then it doesn't come through.

[2:18:10] Okay.

[2:18:10] We're diligently working on that.

[2:18:12] It's a very complex issue.

[2:18:15] Thank you.

[2:18:18] I have a couple of thank you letters.

[2:18:21] First of all, the community for coordinated care for children

[2:18:25] is expressing their appreciation for a grant

[2:18:29] that the city gave them for $1,668.81 and they expressed their appreciation for that support.

[2:18:42] And it says, parents who's children are receiving stable, affordable care are better able to work towards self-sufficiency.

[2:18:49] And you're on going to support of the city's family plays an important role as we continue caring for our future today.

[2:18:55] Okay, also received two letters from the Education Foundation also thanking the city for two different grants that supported what they were doing to help make a difference in the future education of the next generation and just wanted to share that they did share their appreciation.

[2:19:20] with that, I don't have anything else. Item number 13 is our information section and report section.

[2:19:29] Thursday September the 9th, 2019, the community redevelopment agency meeting will be at 6 p.m. here in City Hall Council Chambers.

[2:19:38] Saturday, February the 9th, there will be a City Council workshop at 9 a.m. at City Hall here also in Council Chambers.

[2:19:46] Thursday, February 14th, there will be our next City Council meeting at 6.30 p.m. also here at the Chamber.

[2:19:55] Thursday, February 21st, 2019, there will be a City Council workshop at 6 p.m. at City Hall Council Chambers.

[2:20:06] I would like to remind all of the council that there is a warrant list number five report

[2:20:13] that is available for your review.

[2:20:17] If there are no objections or an agreement, we'll call this meeting to an end.

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