[6:56] I've been going

[7:15] to mind seeing which is oil, it's septic, it's septic. I just want to reach

[7:21] up there.

[7:24] I mean I can go through each one. I've got quite a few to just save on time.

[7:32] Need more time of it than I can strike the things that I want, that I can add the things that I want,

[7:37] and then produce a paper, but.

[7:44] Or quickly. Okay. Before you do, I would like to have Richard

[7:59] I think the end of my toe would probably be okay.

[8:02] It's just right. I'm certainly not in a position right now to say I really like this because I don't.

[8:09] There's too many things in here that I really don't think should apply to us.

[8:16] Okay, well, let's just say on page one, five, interpretation.

[8:23] There's a quite a lot of community of development for purposes of the chairman of the head

[8:28] because the size of building or the medical, something like this, that whole paragraph doesn't seem so.

[8:33] The fit when we have a trigger of 1200 square feet, trigger site plan review.

[8:47] Because we count a trader of $1200 square feet, so a $1200 square feet is usually a trigger.

[8:53] Do 600 feet for five years?

[8:55] Was that they could do 600 feet for five years to get $3,000 square feet?

[8:59] Well, under our trigger.

[9:01] I think that's why you're adding this kind of historical view.

[9:04] Otherwise, I mean, is that what you're trying to do?

[9:07] I could see people playing that game and doing $1,000 to the year just so it doesn't trigger.

[9:11] And then four years later, we have a $4,000 square foot mess.

[9:15] Yes.

[9:16] The 1200 square feet.

[9:18] I mean the 1200 feet then we wouldn't have that at all.

[9:21] Well that would be the one year.

[9:22] Correct?

[9:22] That's on the 1200 feet.

[9:24] I just want to make sure.

[9:25] That's an 8-1 time.

[9:27] It's an 8-1 time.

[9:28] It's 1200 feet at one time, but one time it just says you should consider cumulative development

[9:34] as the one time.

[9:35] You should look back five years.

[9:37] My question was how would we do that?

[9:39] That would be easy enough if we had a building for the pre-each of these.

[9:43] But in terms of their rating and clearing, how they're part of it, yeah, honestly, I don't think we'd be able to do it because somebody's going to do it.

[9:59] Or we have been 600 square feet.

[10:01] Yeah, you would think, though, at least for a property of equal importance, right?

[10:05] You know, in grading, people are going to push here. We've talked about this in the past. They're going to push you around right now.

[10:10] No, they don't get a permit.

[10:12] You're right.

[10:13] There's no permit.

[10:16] And buildings, if not now,

[10:19] the assessor should be catching up

[10:22] and they've got the assessor.

[10:24] The assessor is mostly going by the permits.

[10:28] That's what the interview's going to be tax pass.

[10:33] By this bio, how about this?

[10:34] Resumption of discontinued use for building entity.

[10:37] Is that a page two?

[10:45] So

[10:48] basically what that's saying is if the use that was in the prior is discontinued for

[10:53] 24 consecutive months and that will trigger a change of use and you'll go to site plan

[10:58] review.

[11:00] So it's always been our thing in town that once it was there that it can stay but if we're

[11:06] going to put a limit on it I think 24 months is kind of a short period of time that goes

[11:13] three to two years is a very proof period of time to stay,

[11:16] sometimes takes these properties in town,

[11:18] a year plus to self.

[11:20] Right.

[11:20] I've put you multiple years.

[11:22] I hit, if the consensus was that there was to be

[11:25] a restriction like that, I had five years.

[11:27] That's what I wrote.

[11:29] If I were to say, what's in agreement with that?

[11:31] Because we've had a situation, we've had a situation

[11:33] like that, we've had a situation like that now

[11:38] across the street.

[11:40] I'll reach it.

[11:40] Right.

[11:43] Yeah, so it was office for years and years and years and then all of a sudden I wanted retail again, and there was thought there would be site clean review

[11:52] Until some documents were found years ago. It was it was retail one-point time

[11:57] Would you have wanted

[12:05] I didn't think it was

[12:09] But it's just an example, if you wanted them to think that in a case like that it was necessary for them to

[12:15] completely go through the whole thing with the site plan and everything else whereas retail had been before, it might have been 15 years ago.

[12:21] Like I think it's more of a first stuff that's like that's currently grandfathered in, like somebody's operating a gas station that's not supposed to be there and that goes dormant for two years.

[12:31] So when it buys it wants to keep it back, it gets me out of the way, because it owns

[12:35] this gas station. That hasn't been in use for years.

[12:40] And years plus? It's been a while.

[12:42] If Henry's gas station plus, so if they wanted to start an operation,

[12:48] it would realistically come in for years to be a limit to that.

[12:51] So somebody can't say, yeah, but when years ago, I retelt to me,

[12:55] it's relatively benign, especially in town. I don't know too many things to have.

[12:58] But I do think that there should be some sort of limit to a five years.

[13:03] That makes sense.

[13:04] That would be a reasonable amount of time if everybody's in agreement.

[13:09] There's some more thing on special permits around.

[13:12] Special permits run with the person that they gave them to.

[13:16] I mean, like if it's something that they don't have a permit.

[13:19] And we, you know, a lot that they're using for storage of materials

[13:27] on a commercial lot that they would need a special permit, but they were doing it before we put that into that.

[13:32] So their grant probably didn't have that.

[13:33] If they stopped storing the materials, then they started again five years later.

[13:38] So they then need a special permit?

[13:39] I would say that they would.

[13:41] For us, it would need site plan review.

[13:43] We don't do the special permits on that.

[13:46] So they require a permit for that.

[13:48] It tends, I think, we're looking at site number review.

[13:53] They would need a permit if they had a change in use, if they hadn't done it for five years, they should be pulling the permit.

[14:02] Well, that's what I'm saying.

[14:03] It would be a change of this mode of shit.

[14:07] So if there was a permit on the at one point in time, property gets sold, that person can't do the same thing.

[14:14] if a special permit was involved they would have to get

[14:16] to be finally get their own.

[14:18] But if you were to think of your questions,

[14:21] if you were to walk away from that

[14:23] and then come back in five years and those six years

[14:25] and try and do it again,

[14:27] according to what we have,

[14:28] you would have to now get it safely revealed.

[14:31] Well, I wonder if, so if someone changes

[14:33] and his business wife,

[14:36] his change of use,

[14:38] but not really a change.

[14:40] But even if it's the special permit,

[14:41] goes away.

[14:44] That's the whole thing where we had some properties in town. The new person has to

[14:49] need to do the same thing. I mean, you're special. Yes, that's true. If I can, one thing's the example

[14:54] for the blood. Something's in retail use, winter offers, and now we'll go back to retail

[15:00] I remember I could put it into the zone and by law, that if the use requires side-time review, but if the channel plan turns, that there's no additional parking part from it, then side-time review. So in that case, my guess is, that's the type of determination that you might. If I thought it was going to be a more intensive use and require more parking, then I put it through a little side-time review.

[15:29] construction

[15:37] site management operations plan. I really didn't have much on this at all. I kind of just kind of ex-nated.

[15:47] I'm not quite sure how you would even enforce anything like this post-construction with somebody's in there.

[15:54] A plan for kitchen waste management storage disposal, frequency of pickup grounds, management including mowing, snow removal and care,

[16:03] landscaping of care for trees, plantings, and gardens, noise, odor, and dust mitigation measures.

[16:09] So how was your apology?

[16:11] You would manage something on somebody's own and make rats.

[16:14] I think they did.

[16:15] So for though, because if you look at Onyx, we would require them to do dust mitigation.

[16:23] They find the plant.

[16:25] That's fine.

[16:26] On sick ones, like...

[16:27] Not everything.

[16:29] Not everything.

[16:29] I would get rid of the plans for rubbers for cycling and kitchen management.

[16:35] We don't need to get into that, but grounds management in terms of a plan for maintaining

[16:42] the landscaping on an ongoing basis, I would want to see something like that and the

[16:48] building commissioner could enforce that.

[16:51] And isn't snowmobile hasn't that come up in certain parking designs because they had to

[16:55] Well, we always on site plan review. They always put where they're going to

[16:58] group it. Right. And we always make sure this makes it a requirement. I didn't know

[17:04] we had it. It always is. Yeah. So if we took care of this, if we took

[17:10] ground management, common care of completing snow removal and care of

[17:16] landscaping cares for trees and plantings and gardens, we just get rid of

[17:21] Number one, we have the only thing that we have been doing for larger commercial stuff is

[17:33] showing more dumpster work out.

[17:35] Correct?

[17:36] This part of the cycling.

[17:38] But we don't need to know that it's being hemmed together.

[17:40] It's a week, right?

[17:41] I was just mentioning that we have a big watch office and that residents will come on routine basis.

[18:07] So I do like the, I mean, the rummage recycling, I like scheduled hours and at least scheduled hours, like we're not going to have noisy machinery showing up outside of these houses.

[18:22] We're not open but we're going to pick up the trash and do it more, we'll be like that's

[18:27] a function of it.

[18:28] I've never seen you guys put a condition regarding how it was about operation on any site

[18:34] plan.

[18:36] In my brief time here.

[18:39] It definitely can't be that undercut time for you.

[18:42] Yeah, CBA.

[18:42] Clicked on it.

[18:43] Further stuff.

[18:43] This is what I was saying.

[18:44] So to me at least I get the question I'd like to know and I'm not going to do it

[18:51] doing the morning, but to me it's not part of their zoning and their hours

[18:56] that are being decided, at least by the CDA. So we picked up the trash that's

[19:02] not how it was operation and we don't have big things like the big why and

[19:07] stuff like that with something like that may happen. They're pretty small. People just

[19:10] putting up 35-50 scope.

[19:12] They put down the trees a bit a little bit.

[19:16] Two in the morning.

[19:17] That's what I was hoping it could happen.

[19:21] These things like everything we don't have something in there

[19:25] it seems like someone takes that as an opportunity to do it.

[19:31] I agree.

[19:32] All right, so we're X-Name1.

[19:36] And then on two grounds management including mowing snow removal and care of landscaping

[19:45] so you want to keep care of landscaping, including care of landscaping, care for trees,

[19:57] plant insurances.

[19:58] Okay.

[20:00] If you just take out mowing commas snow removal,

[20:07] take out the mowing sound removal, and we're

[20:10] And so you just include in care of landscaping,

[20:13] care for trees, plants.

[20:25] If you're talking about pickups and other deliveries

[20:29] or whatever coming outside of business items,

[20:31] wouldn't that be part of the notice?

[20:33] Is what would be part of the real estate equipment?

[20:35] Well, any noise.

[20:36] Yeah, so I'm sorry.

[20:37] We don't have a lot of noise.

[20:38] We don't have a lot of noise.

[20:38] When I talk about dumpster truck coming in two in the morning,

[20:41] that to me is, you know,

[20:44] what do you make a noise?

[20:45] It's one of you creating issues.

[20:47] If you get a good truck, yes, and be quiet, please step, the food mark trucks come

[20:57] seven morning. We'd like to go over, they start coming two, three morning, hiding, three hours

[21:04] to move to terms, especially. What else you got, Carl?

[21:11] Okay, so we were cool with the rest of the requirements for submissions,

[21:16] requirements

[21:17] for submission. Now it's way back at the beginning, right?

[21:19] No, we just, we're just on, we're just on 3B, 80, what else?

[21:29] Page 4.

[21:30] I mean, so there's stuff here that I don't see in site plans that we're asking people to put like photographs of the site, including existing buildings I've never seen building photographs in a plan.

[21:40] Yeah, no.

[21:40] The proposed building elevations, we can see over those, those are...

[21:45] Let's go through his comments.

[21:48] The answer to that is no, I'm not.

[21:51] There's even a section here that refers to section 8D, but there is no section 8D here.

[21:56] I couldn't find it, so I don't think it's here, so like miscellaneous typos and stuff like that.

[22:02] I'm just going over them.

[22:02] These are the things that I would be going over after the most obvious ones.

[22:11] development impact statement, a complete development impact statement done in five, which will include the

[22:17] following, lead development impact statement, form a cadet's B, an environmental analysis, which provides

[22:24] description and evidence. These are the things that I had that should belong with the board health,

[22:30] and then the environmental assessments of the things that I had that would belong with the conservation

[22:34] commission. Yes, we have septic analysis goes right up right now to pay day is right here.

[22:44] Where was it? I think the, you know, just, oh, it comes right here.

[22:52] Change use submissions. Right.

[23:02] Two pages away. Some

[23:13] of these issues here, one I got is the D traffic

[23:15] impact analysis. We've had to discuss those before in certain cases. Yeah, it wasn't going to be

[23:21] as ordered by the board or something like that.

[23:23] Is it not the conditional section?

[23:26] Because I put a traffic impact.

[23:27] It's in here a few times.

[23:29] Traffic impact analysis.

[23:32] Is it general analysis?

[23:33] It just created traffic impact.

[23:35] I had back roads there where it said, shall be performed as I had put in, may be performed.

[23:41] That might be.

[23:42] Yeah, that's a little further up in 11.

[23:45] Well, if you remember the comment I made on it,

[23:48] I would rather not tie a traffic impact study to specific roles like Route 14622, because we do get minor processes.

[24:00] That's what I have.

[24:01] That's what I have.

[24:01] I would rather have it based on the trips generated.

[24:07] The bill for the item 383 under 11.

[24:13] Hold on.

[24:14] Which page?

[24:14] 8-7, 8-3, 8-7, 8-3, 11-8-3, that's how I would keep 400 vehicles.

[24:29] Yeah, I'm just saying get rid of 11-8-1, that's basically right.

[24:33] That's what I'm saying.

[24:35] That's what I'm talking about.

[25:06] on your dress, at 200, then that would trigger this impact assessment on the track market.

[25:13] So, okay, so I actually just, yeah, that makes sense, that, and

[25:23] underline, it does.

[25:26] Oh, okay.

[25:27] So, before we move on, under 90, I mean, if we can say a project's anticipated traffic impacts

[25:36] based on IPE bracket generation manual so that they know that's the manual we're gonna be sizing them up against.

[25:46] They have a trip generation manual for a zillion and one land uses they have trip generation data

[25:54] tied to each land use and that's what I would expect in the use for calculating their projected number.

[26:08] Okay, so you've got to be putting that in the pocket, don't know where you're going to get the reference mark on that.

[26:14] The car mentioned 9C, taking that out.

[26:18] Yeah, because we don't want to do that.

[26:20] That's not what it would have put out.

[26:22] Yeah.

[26:29] Something about this a lot, just before we move on.

[26:31] I thought we talked about this, our most heavily impacted road to our 1-40-12.

[26:38] And we're now looking at 400 vehicle trips per day or 50 vehicles per week out.

[26:43] If you put 48 semi-trailers on 62 or 140 an hour at night in the morning, no one would

[26:52] be able to go anywhere.

[26:54] So what I'm saying is, I think those thresholds for it, in certain cases may be so high.

[27:01] Like, if there's a long mark with a set of lights and other stuff, I say, yeah, 400

[27:05] It works 50, but my worry is, I mean, it's something like onyx,

[27:09] I'll betcha onyx is under 50 vehicles per week out of the day period

[27:12] of tremendous amount of traffic.

[27:14] So, I mean, it's horizontal for truck traffic.

[27:18] Something in the way that, let's plan my approach to this.

[27:22] We're both waiting.

[27:24] I mean, I'm talking about onyx, for example, if you have 50 times

[27:32] I'm going to take some out of the columns.

[27:34] I don't know.

[27:35] It doesn't matter.

[27:36] No, I know that.

[27:36] But it would be more damaged and rugged than it would.

[27:40] They have a limit to weight when they weigh in at the station.

[27:43] I think we should let a tonnage be in our earth for a moment.

[27:46] Okay.

[27:46] I'm pretty good at it.

[27:48] One page five.

[27:50] Yep.

[27:50] Under 90.

[27:52] The reason 90.

[27:54] One page five.

[27:54] The work way is.

[27:56] The tracking factor analysis is a general analysis.

[27:59] of carbon and just weight. In fact, their IT generation may be 200 vehicles, but a hundred

[28:08] of those may be truck truck trucks at peak peak. And this is your service. And that would

[28:14] then go back to on page 7, 11, 8, 4, 5, 6, and 4 determines based on rear view. So, an

[28:24] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that that's how we have we have we have we wrote that in right based on that 11 4. So, yeah, you're not talking about

[28:33] 50 cars at a date here at 9 a.m. You're talking about

[28:38] 55 summary trails pulling out into the town center. We're

[28:45] Yeah, that's

[28:51] Okay, so maybe we put it in a specific anticipated traffic impacts both truck traffic and worker vehicles based on ITE traffic generation manual, something like that.

[29:12] truck traffic and other vehicles, because maybe the residential development that has

[29:21] doesn't have it to be able to do this.

[29:28] What else have you got, Carl?

[29:29] Okay, so that would be 11A. Okay, so a threshold project meeting either the thresholds below

[29:36] shall provide or may have to try to leave it optional. I think it may have to, then no one will

[29:43] I love to provide it.

[29:45] Everything has to mean we would say yes, you have to know you don't.

[29:48] That's all right, so we're not getting asked for a waiver on it.

[29:51] So the project is me to need a threshold.

[29:53] I feel like maybe that's for a waiver.

[29:55] Yeah, my concern is they have to would be that we're going to...

[30:00] We want to see what we've had repeated here by the public to say, well, why do they have to do it, but they didn't. And now they don't realize because they're completely different projects or that our will say it's okay to have 400 cars a day on this road, but not on that.

[30:17] I think I can better track any more.

[30:19] We won a waiver because of the ABC.

[30:22] We all agree.

[30:23] I'd rather someone come in and throw their week behind it

[30:26] and say, hey, this is our analysis.

[30:28] We're not going to do this.

[30:29] We're not going to do this.

[30:30] But we're going to do this for the semi-true.

[30:31] We have to make the case in the waiver request.

[30:35] Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[30:36] We've got our engine here to say, yeah, that's bullshit.

[30:39] Or yeah, I'm going to move on.

[30:40] Okay, I want to pay seven with discussing traffic studies.

[30:45] Thank you.

[30:48] So what are we doing with designating specific roads?

[30:54] Are we eliminating that like we were talking about?

[30:58] I thought we had this discussion of who just added those during one of our sessions.

[31:03] And the very first session.

[31:04] Yeah, because these we said these are the roads that we have the most issues.

[31:07] So now maybe I'll just do down there a little bit lower threshold for those roads

[31:13] Like so it's still a really a minor project they don't I mean they could get away

[31:17] My thing was the waivers, yeah, I'm building a convenience store. There's only two parking spots like this to be like on your way

[31:24] But I just hate to say that

[31:26] You know, like this parts are 12

[31:29] 62 and 140 that are already horrible

[31:33] Again if they give us their traffic generation numbers

[31:37] It's all the compassing. No matter what road it's up to.

[31:39] So they do the generation numbers we don't need that.

[31:42] Okay, I completely understand one can be a move.

[31:44] Well, I've been telling it on one board tomorrow, in Princeton.

[31:49] They're closing more in the road. It's all the compasses

[31:51] because they're doing some good wiring in the road.

[31:54] They're closing the road.

[31:57] So, I don't know.

[32:01] What else do you get?

[32:04] A couple of small fails to see on 8-9-B, we have a tip proposed to grab in for the

[32:13] 43-8-4-3-8.

[32:15] Yep.

[32:22] They're not doing workloads.

[32:24] Cast out.

[32:28] Spelling.

[32:29] All right, 11.

[32:31] Down at the bottom, 3.

[32:32] For one minute of buffers.

[32:36] You might as well do a little bit of this between different uses when it proposes development

[32:40] and conflicts with an adjoining

[32:43] resident to use proposed

[32:44] developed which include a buffer

[32:46] along the joint property lines

[32:48] and the formative division set

[32:49] forth.

[32:53] With the insolent

[32:53] I think it may be the word

[32:54] conflicts.

[32:55] Why are we assuming it conflicts?

[32:57] Yeah, I think that's the

[32:58] truth.

[32:59] It defines the one and two there.

[33:02] What completely new

[33:02] enough?

[33:03] So remember, remember the zoning

[33:07] amendment for the performance

[33:09] zone where we're making a revision

[33:12] to the dimensional table and where we require

[33:17] requirements, a 20-foot buffer for any commercial

[33:21] or industrial property, and a bunch of residential use.

[33:26] I think that is just at it.

[33:27] This is 25, this one.

[33:30] Oh, that's just from all of you.

[33:37] The first one, too, point one, which is the commercial

[33:39] industrial.

[33:42] So, page 11, number one, that there is

[33:45] So I'm three, eight, one.

[33:47] Schmerz Schlafs industrial development tools

[33:49] that are joined to the joining residential development.

[33:51] So, no, no.

[33:52] What he said that the buffer is 25 feet of feet.

[33:55] It applies to both.

[33:56] That's why our buffer areas show

[33:58] we know less than 25 feet in depth when the purpose.

[34:01] Again, I don't know that we need for a regular buffer

[34:04] if we're going to require it and our dimensional requirements.

[34:11] Yeah, it's a disaster.

[34:12] This actually addresses the year completely

[34:14] This address is not a commercial for residential, but a multi-family to single residential,

[34:21] which is probably the most contentious things I've ever seen here so far, is those

[34:26] do things.

[34:27] Commercial next to residential and multi-family next to single family.

[34:33] I'd rather put this, if we're going to do that, I'd rather put that in the table of

[34:36] dimensional requirements itself.

[34:38] That's where it is already.

[34:39] Yeah, but it's only for commercial and industrial that much right now for multi-family. Right. So if we wanted to add multi-family it should be at an error, but in the table I would put it as the conventional table.

[34:52] Yeah, it's near half. I would go to one spot to see what their dimension, the dimensional requirements are.

[34:59] So, let me make note of that, so it may just say the car cover area shall comply with

[35:05] and comply with the dimensional data.

[35:09] It

[35:15] will lessen the arid dimension with some people when we're saying that's already built

[35:20] in there when it comes to pitch.

[35:24] It's 13.7 signage.

[35:26] That's really not up to all the stairs.

[35:28] You know, it's signing a sign.

[35:30] Where's that?

[35:31] It's 13.7.

[35:33] You're in the car?

[35:34] Yeah, at the bottom.

[35:35] So, I'm ready to resign very much, you know, doesn't dress with a nation sign.

[35:46] How do we control the elimination of it?

[35:49] Why don't we actually look at this as part of the leading?

[35:53] Because that was one of my questions.

[35:54] We already talked about having laid not intruded upon another's property, not, you know,

[36:01] they have to be built in a certain way.

[36:03] And I'll be honest, that I see that on 24-7 the entire thing is a little bit of a grider than any sign I could like today's spotlight.

[36:14] So I can actually understand regulating some of them in some way shaped form on the site point.

[36:21] I mean, it should be designed by law, but I couldn't hear it because it's not in here

[36:26] so I'm putting it here.

[36:28] I need it going to keep up.

[36:31] The big issue in my songs is they tend to ruin it.

[36:35] Everything, and not just the love, they're not just the lettering.

[36:39] So you get this nice blue lettering with a big, bright white background.

[36:44] I'll set it up.

[36:45] My other question will be for that as I was.

[36:48] But you're right, that's true to Z and zoning, but we don't have that.

[36:51] So it actually makes sense to put it here.

[36:55] We

[36:57] don't really have zoning by-law or is it protected by law?

[37:00] It's the same thing.

[37:03] And then mind it, let's try to keep it moving along.

[37:06] We're going to want to spare our hearing by seven.

[37:09] Like I said, the only question I had on this sub-seven is hours for illuminated signs.

[37:14] Because right now the 20th is over.

[37:17] And that's a whole nother issue for my experience because you need to specify a consistent

[37:25] standard or not regulated because satellite plan board does in case by case by case basis.

[37:31] And there are our regulations are all on the board.

[37:35] So we can regulate that.

[37:37] They have to identify that the using the moment it's directly working.

[37:46] So, so you're saying that everybody's okay with signage?

[37:51] I am.

[37:53] That's me, okay with signage?

[37:55] I am.

[37:58] I like that.

[38:01] What else do you have?

[38:03] Page 15.

[38:09] 15C.

[38:11] Well, the town center district design guidelines can conflict with the provisions of Section 14D1

[38:16] 14D, more space and shell apply, any project located with telecented district complied with

[38:24] pages 12 through 25, I don't think that now it's a district guidelines were ever adopted.

[38:34] They were adopted but they're just like informational,

[38:40] they don't have any regulatory teeth to

[38:43] Yes.

[38:44] Yes.

[38:45] We'll give it a round of 14.

[38:49] Missy.

[38:49] This then makes them part of the right.

[38:54] So we're referring to guidelines that are really on approved for everything really haven't

[39:00] been adopted by anybody.

[39:01] They just out there to look at.

[39:03] They're just guidance materials.

[39:05] I don't know.

[39:07] I don't know that.

[39:11] We have the power to do that.

[39:13] Yeah.

[39:14] I

[39:16] mean, we're just saying that those are part of our guidelines.

[39:18] Yeah.

[39:18] but they can be thrown on the waste basket tomorrow.

[39:26] How would those start to convince you of my knowledge?

[39:29] How would they regionally adopt?

[39:30] Committee putting forward?

[39:31] I don't believe they have an arm.

[39:32] I don't believe they were.

[39:33] I think it was just drawn up and put out there,

[39:35] but nobody ever acted on it.

[39:36] So they're out there to look at and review.

[39:38] And they were adopted as guidelines.

[39:40] Yet we're officially adopted, but have not been adopted.

[39:43] My thing is adopted by who,

[39:44] because unless I went to either a town meeting

[39:46] or a process, I would be on the consent against it.

[39:49] You're mean because I started to go on someone

[39:51] a year from now to go.

[39:52] And I know this says you have to have 20 feet which are not six and there's no process to changes

[39:58] And if it hasn't been adopted in a way that the town was aware of it, there was no vocation

[40:04] So should we

[40:07] Have an appendix D. That's the town center guidelines

[40:10] I would take that out. I think that could get us in the

[40:25] We're trying to get this to a manageable read, I would take out 15, that's about

[40:41] as far as I've got.

[40:42] A typo on page 21, the applicant.

[40:49] This isn't Shelby Meal, it's in the applicant file, it's his field.

[41:13] I just

[41:17] wanted to bring up a couple things that were in some of the other towns guidelines

[41:22] that we don't have, and I don't know where they are.

[41:26] One was mentioning walkways that are adjacent to parking.

[41:30] They specify requiring something like wheel stops

[41:32] at a minimum to protect the pedestrians.

[41:37] I don't know if we should have something like that

[41:38] or if we do in our zoning somewhere.

[41:42] We wouldn't need a speed bump at the entrance.

[41:45] So that basically ends up...

[41:46] No, if you have a pedestrian walkway

[41:48] that's next to where the car is parked,

[41:50] that at a minimum, you need wheel stops.

[41:53] Oh, okay, I get further. I thought you meant harder. Okay. No, the beer buddy.

[41:59] That's big, so we have less traffic. If they were designed out at the side of the block, you'd have to block it so it can roll into it.

[42:05] It's actually about like the curb or stuff kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[42:08] Now, don't have them here. Why do you have some general prints? What is the design shelf, why do you have a safe and convenient drive reservation systems?

[42:20] You can achieve that through a bunch of different ways, yeah.

[42:27] That's top four separate stews.

[42:29] A landscape barrier.

[42:31] A barrier inside of all of that.

[42:33] There's a lot of different.

[42:35] So it's, I have 10 lanterns on the side that, on the side of it.

[42:43] Tell them the objective, and then in reviewing the application, did they meet the objective?

[42:50] And we can revise this data.

[42:52] If like 20 people come in and are not consistently meeting the objective, we can say here are ways you could meet the objective.

[43:01] So it references appendix A, B, and C. Are those documents that already exist?

[43:06] A and C, A is your application that's online. C is your V schedule, which is already adopted.

[43:15] B will be the form for the bug and impact statement, which I've got several examples of.

[43:21] C is one of the communities. We want to go through this. My intention is to find Isaac. I don't know what to put in there.

[43:28] The other thing we mentioned previously is that Westminster had an entourage to discourage

[43:35] landscaping plantments as an appendix and want something like that or not.

[43:42] Now pull on Westminster.

[43:44] It actually does make sense because the only thing it seems like people want to paint

[43:47] it is in China.

[43:49] So it does suggest that it's not or be quiet.

[43:52] Just to suggest.

[43:53] So why don't I take my managers and just for that change stirring and for that as it's been

[44:01] to eat.

[44:02] We

[44:09] mentioned about sidewalks like we mandate sidewalks in certain regions but

[44:18] we've

[44:18] actually taken them out right sidewalks and that's the issues of who cleans and who doesn't

[44:23] clean them and who's responsible if somebody falls on the clean that's what follows in it.

[44:29] So what is there a lot of carbon vision on the sidewalks?

[44:33] into the right, they were removed from subdivision rights, I can tell you,

[44:39] whether it's existing,

[44:40] or seem approved, but I hope to just throw it out there and say that we've made the move

[44:46] and I'm sure it was for a reason,

[44:50] and if it knows, Eric.

[44:55] But sometimes actually under certain, for certain development,

[45:55] I think that should be clarified then, because I read that to be like, if you have a bicycle

[46:00] The bicycle parking spaces and racks, the bicycle parking spaces and racks are to be provided.

[46:07] There's actually no off-the-foot would be a consideration of that.

[46:10] Yeah, because it's R.

[46:12] And then the intent is that you can ask a way, if the use is such that the bicycle parking doesn't make any sense.

[46:19] Right.

[46:20] My most business and then get an issue is the e-bike parking was where it was the last time I worked in some application.

[46:40] I am here so far into this, you've got an NGO 44, such a 54.

[46:49] and I would hope it's something to be called.

[46:52] I have an opportunity to be so easy for me to.

[46:58] I'm asking you and Carl,

[46:59] that if you've got any further comments

[47:01] on these regs for Richard,

[47:03] that you get them to me in my two weeks time.

[47:07] Yeah, it should be.

[47:08] Can we also do this again?

[47:10] I think it helps.

[47:11] I was thinking that it would make sense

[47:14] to have Richard come back from one last go-around.

[47:16] It was even very helpful to totally understand that part, because it's helping us when we're asking questions, but I'm talking about, like, if that brings up something, I would like to know ahead of time, so we're not sitting down and saying, hey, I don't understand this and wasting your time.

[47:33] At least I can kind of get about what I mean by that.

[47:36] Yeah.

[47:36] A lot of people report when I extend in, if I can, as soon as I get those, I like to

[47:43] do, is they're compositing the airbikes comments and all that's in the draft, absolutely.

[47:51] And so then, if we, everybody would have, not listen to a dozen, just everybody nods, topics,

[47:57] issues that are embraced.

[47:58] Right.

[47:59] It gives us an opportunity to, to a true, right.

[48:02] We don't want to over-regulate.

[48:04] Right.

[48:04] You know, that's the thing, you don't want to overrate it, because then you'd like to discourage anybody if you're doing it, if you've put too many things in front of them, turn them straight up and just kind of move on and go somewhere else.

[48:13] That's one reason for encouraging a free application conference.

[48:21] It doesn't make it, when there's a conference, I always want this a shout.

[48:25] And that's just when we have some of these things.

[48:28] He doesn't make it very apparent to what was coming forward

[48:31] that they don't have to go through this five or six-month process.

[48:35] Hey, I modified this.

[48:36] We forgot that.

[48:37] I modified this, like that Monix didn't want on for a year

[48:40] because of some of the design things.

[48:42] I think it's all front.

[48:44] Hopefully they'll have better planning.

[48:46] That's what's engineering.

[48:48] Wouldn't, yeah, question I had in place

[48:50] from the scene's conference area was on here.

[48:53] In the completeness review, I had worked, I took the position generally that staff should

[49:02] be the final side of the ink tank that's four, and as you know, I was making the field

[49:08] process for any time, but I was in a sensitive position that the field looks at it, and on

[49:15] a very basic level, it's not complete, they shouldn't go four.

[49:18] I've never had anyone fight me on that in my career as a player.

[49:23] Who really will fight, because usually if fight is losing battle,

[49:27] I'd always like to give you the option.

[49:31] So hold on, if we're talking about just the completeness of the atmosphere.

[49:33] Right, yeah.

[49:34] Yeah, to me, that's your game.

[49:36] Okay.

[49:37] So, we'll change that then, so if Steve finds it in complete, the clock stops.

[49:45] When you've got X, Y, and C, and then you're uptime?

[49:50] I've done that a number of times and I've never...

[49:55] I've always told people, worse than the mind that's gone on, tell them that's not complete.

[50:03] There was a 1% that was like, I'm going white.

[50:09] I don't see harm in leaving the appeal there though.

[50:31] Like I see what you're saying you don't want to leave it to a town employee

[50:32] Well

[50:50] I watched the guy in the clock and the town maintains the trees, they're a pain in the ass.

[51:03] I want to pour gas on it, like I'm on fire, I mean, hey, what's up, what's up, what's

[51:11] What I'm saying is, is she trees worth it?

[51:19] I look at, you know, the granite curbs that they plow,

[51:24] and it tears the hell out of her palm, tongue pop.

[51:32] That's just my own opinion.

[51:34] That's the only thing I think.

[51:35] Well, at a setback distance, acceptable to the knee he does.

[51:39] So he can suggest that they move them back

[51:43] to a length where it won't end up here in the first place.

[51:47] All right, the same thing exists in our subdivision breaks.

[51:53] It's a 44th tree.

[51:54] But the issue with that is it doesn't say whether you can play them there or not.

[51:57] It could be an electric line, a septic system, anything like that.

[52:00] But it's the same kind of thing.

[52:02] I know what you're saying.

[52:03] You don't get too many of them in some way.

[52:05] I'm watching the plot of the road, and I think the shade trees are pinned in the neck for the plot and the bit.

[52:19] The grand curbs, they hit them and they've shrank.

[52:23] Right, well I think we got rid of those.

[52:25] I think we got rid of the granite headstones on or catch bases and stuff.

[52:29] I think we got rid of them.

[52:30] To me, when we're talking about this, this is general landscaping.

[52:33] So if we take that out, you're talking about eliminating trees from like some of these when we're talking about this year, it has to be landscape.

[52:43] I understand that we don't want to stick them in the middle of a parking lot or some, you know, too close to the road that we end up chewing up our own equipment.

[52:51] But at the same time, like someone else said, I think the DPW superintendents say that but I'd also like to see that we don't end up with a bunch of properties that are clear factor and then nothing has to go back.

[53:02] Well, DPW is going to review every site plan along with all the other good departments.

[53:07] And you can say, hey, can you move your trees back a bit so that the cloud's no better.

[53:12] It gives it some options.

[53:14] And DPW, as I said, is not in a space to move them back.

[53:20] This space is for way before.

[53:22] Yeah.

[53:23] Yeah.

[53:24] There's some waivers that, by the nature, if the light farm says, yeah, we want to done it.

[53:32] That's all I want to say.

[53:33] If David W. says, we want to then, you simply do it because there are the ones that

[53:41] fill problems on a day-to-day basis.

[53:44] I suppose it does not practical the practical application and ask for a waiver.

[53:49] Sure.

[53:49] You get an issue out there?

[53:52] Okay.

[53:52] Okay, so if you have any further comments you want to share with Richard, get to me in two weeks' time.

[54:04] I will copy the board in whatever I send to Richard.

[54:09] We're going to want to bring him back for our October meeting.

[54:15] I can now make our view of age of October 24th.

[54:22] You want to do six o'clock, Richard.

[54:29] I can get how many night meetings are specified in our contract.

[54:39] You said two weeks sooner is better, the mind tends to take care of our stomachs and

[54:45] give them positive what they are.

[54:49] So we can bring you back here for six o'clock on the twenty-fourth of a walk over?

[54:54] Yes.

[54:55] Nobody anybody?

[54:57] Good.

[54:57] I'm good.

[54:58] That's good.

[54:59] Yep.

[54:59] It's just fucking fun for a third of the year.

[55:03] Okay.

[55:07] Richard, good job.

[55:10] You were very thorough. I know you did that intentionally,

[55:13] rather get it all out there, and have a stream of back

[55:16] rather than miss something.

[55:19] So I would just like that. All of them easier to take things out

[55:22] than mad things.

[55:23] I have a thing in me for the things.

[55:37] Do you want to tell those guys that you could leave?

[55:39] Yeah.

[56:01] Thank you.

[56:02] Thank you.

[56:03] Thank you.

[56:03] Okay, but we're ready.

[56:08] The second one?

[56:10] Yeah.

[56:10] The process.

[56:12] We want if we can see the sign in it.

[57:05] We can see it.

[57:16] Next thing we got up is the continued public meeting for the site plan approval on 48

[57:21] was the road, the change of views, the change of the contract is the applicant, the

[57:28] Dragonfly design, and it's built. So we left off last time, was that we asked for some

[57:40] providing plantings on the north side rear and proposed a right vinyl stockade

[57:49] fancy to the left of the corrugated steel building that stops at that entrance

[57:54] and then picks back up on the other side of the entrance it goes to the

[57:57] property line. You get to ask if that be shown on the side plate. So it appears to

[58:05] leave it all those changes have been made they're on the site plan so I would say

[58:11] that the things that we wanted when we asked him to come back tonight and make

[58:16] those changes if I may yes also we want to make sure that is secured on

[58:24] boot health that entrance our exit whatever you want to call it okay is not

[58:29] going to be a condition you're looking as a condition to keep it secure we talked

[58:33] about the last leg. I don't care if it's a chain gait or a chain that's easy to take off.

[58:41] Just so it's not a cut through. That's all. Now you're going to continue to have that. We talked

[58:46] about that at length. You do not want traffic because they're obviously going to continue to chain.

[58:52] Correct. The only concern we had was not putting in any material that would block that for emergency.

[59:01] So are we adding a new condition to secure the access from which we're going to

[59:09] now?

[59:09] No.

[59:10] And

[59:14] to not block the access.

[59:29] Well, thanks.

[59:30] There's part of the ZVA decision.

[59:32] There's a wooden buffer on the back that the board is going to tell the road.

[59:36] Since our last meeting, when I actually specifically spoke about material being pushed into the

[59:42] going into this action out more material.

[59:45] Some of the smallest stuff has been knocked down

[59:48] a colored firm for a lack of better term.

[59:52] This cluster towards the billing

[59:53] is now that we built up again.

[59:55] When that area was supposed to remain undisturbed

[59:58] and now you can stress the material.

[1:00:00] It's about 7 feet from roadway and probably on town property. It should be the 82-room room behind the fence. What happens between them and now? We actually did start moving out of the journal. There's probably like 40 yards there. The material that's there was not there. That last meeting in the same place. It was smaller pile, and it was more on the property. What it appears to be is that

[1:00:30] building to the corner that a bus this 46-wister road appears that will be

[1:00:37] really straight this side over here that side you talked about so do you

[1:00:46] are you talking about this side here hold on what I'm talking about is great okay

[1:00:51] yeah so this entire area has been straight and a pile has been pushed now

[1:00:58] So this right here, the grade was kind of up and down, so we did take some of this material

[1:01:06] just to create.

[1:01:07] We didn't scrape it.

[1:01:08] We just used material to create a clean, even braid so that when the fence goes in, it'll

[1:01:14] be a...

[1:01:16] I'm not talking about this over this hump that became large, but I'm talking about this

[1:01:20] large problem material that wasn't there before.

[1:01:24] We didn't bring anything in, it was a big pile here and as they were clearing it, they were pushing it around.

[1:01:30] So I agreed that they did get pushed and it's probably a bigger than it was.

[1:01:36] But we could get that out of there in a day if we have to.

[1:01:39] It's going after we can't prevent it.

[1:01:41] Oh yeah.

[1:01:42] It certainly can be left on the other side of the first part of the discussion.

[1:01:45] Yeah, we were using a skid steer and pushing and going into the pile.

[1:01:49] and as he was doing it, it probably did get pushed closer to the street, but more material

[1:01:55] was not for that height.

[1:01:57] I had to be broadened to do it. I thought you were going to scrape this, I don't think

[1:02:00] you could do that.

[1:02:01] You also have a berm in this area that's been increased in height.

[1:02:07] I don't think it's increased in height.

[1:02:09] Does a whole layer of fresh material burn down?

[1:02:11] So yeah, well, this was all filled material in here. We carved it out, I would say about

[1:02:17] 20 or 30 yards of it so far, and then we use some of it to create a more clean grade

[1:02:24] from the corner where we plan to start our fence here, to the tree, or to the fence

[1:02:32] post right there. We use that material up back and forth over it. We didn't raise the

[1:02:39] agreed in that area. I think just because it's like a fresh material it looks

[1:02:46] different but it's not, I mean, we just create the pavement, we just create the

[1:02:51] ground. Well this is, this is kind of, you create a straight line. Yeah, as it was

[1:02:59] before, the bottom of the fence would have been out 18 inches in one spot at

[1:03:06] great in the next spot, so we just try to create it quickly.

[1:03:08] Then just so we're strong clear, the material here is within the buffer, it needs to be

[1:03:15] normal.

[1:03:15] I agree, everything that you're going to be working on will be behind the fence, correct?

[1:03:20] Correct.

[1:03:20] I mean that material is going to be completely gone in there.

[1:03:23] The problem though is there was a bunch of small, very small trees that are all gone now because

[1:03:27] it's all gone.

[1:03:30] I don't think we did any, but it's possible, yeah.

[1:03:33] I can show you the picture if you want.

[1:03:36] The picture is this afternoon, but a bunch of ones they're not large, but the problem here

[1:03:41] is there's some very large trees and some of the only visual block of mitigating the

[1:03:46] general defense is some of those small trees.

[1:03:49] They will grow larger.

[1:03:50] I just want to see some care taken when it comes to removing that dirt.

[1:03:53] Yeah, we'll pull it all back, I think that would take it up, yeah, it's very good.

[1:04:00] Well,

[1:04:06] that being said, I think what we want to run the plan is on here.

[1:04:08] He's going to clean that stuff up before he puts the fence up, obviously, because it'll be on the other side of the fence.

[1:04:14] So I would welcome a motion that we might have.

[1:04:17] My apologies.

[1:04:19] Can I have one thing?

[1:04:19] Don't you think you're currently using that going to be there?

[1:04:24] Maybe.

[1:04:25] You know, looking directly on the top, you're building the front building?

[1:04:29] Yeah.

[1:04:29] That's a document to the right.

[1:04:30] Yeah.

[1:04:31] Okay, so that's going to be your dumpster, you're going to keep it.

[1:04:37] Then I believe what's required is fencing.

[1:04:40] We've done that for multiple dumpster acts.

[1:04:44] It doesn't change the track below and around.

[1:04:48] It's the dumpster shielded by this fence that's going into the vent.

[1:04:50] No, it speaks here.

[1:04:54] It's here.

[1:04:55] It's a little further towards the parking line, but it's back in that area where it's good.

[1:05:04] If you're driving towards West Wales, it's hard to see because the way that the trees are going to be.

[1:05:10] Like I said, it's probably going to be better.

[1:05:16] Because that's what was done in that company.

[1:05:20] It was one other.

[1:05:30] I think it honestly looks like it would be easy on off there.

[1:05:33] The only concern is that the board has had prior to my understanding is that by putting

[1:05:39] a fence around it, not tight, is that if anything happens to beloved, it's kind of contained

[1:05:43] within that fence area, so it doesn't come on slightly.

[1:05:47] You have a beautiful piece of rock, and you really keep doing it a lot.

[1:05:50] I'm just thinking that we want to be consistent on this, and I need some guidance on the board

[1:05:54] which belongs along with an eye, whether it's something we would consistently do in there,

[1:05:59] only in a couple of different cases.

[1:06:06] And again, I don't think we need to have and come back with a modified plan for it, as long as it's in part provisions, that if the dumpster lands there, it needs to be surrounded by defense.

[1:06:17] Okay.

[1:06:20] Did me okay with that?

[1:06:22] I mean, no, wouldn't be ideal for us because for us, the dumpster, you know, we come back from job sites with things in the back of our dump trucks and we're throwing it.

[1:06:32] I'm not asking you to put it tight, if it was twice as wide as that dumpster and you could

[1:06:37] pull a dump truck next to it, it wouldn't bother me at all.

[1:06:40] My only concern is some way of mitigating winged ends, but your material goes into that stuff.

[1:06:47] It comes off, it's basically cut contained within that area.

[1:06:50] That's what we've used in the past.

[1:06:53] I certainly wouldn't want to constrict it to say you only need to four feet on each side.

[1:06:57] You just thought to put a truck in there.

[1:06:59] Go ahead and it also made many more sense if you're doing roll-off roll lines, he rolls off one, he picks up the other and one shot.

[1:07:06] Yeah, that's what the other.

[1:07:07] I just wanted to just continue who did fence the dumpster at the fence company.

[1:07:12] And also at Twins.

[1:07:15] We also did board it before the medical building down the street.

[1:07:22] It's assumed to be pretty consistent, it does help with that.

[1:07:27] It's a dumpster. It's not a free studio. That's not going to concern us more about we get a good winged on one day on all of this in the material every time we talk at three size, not four.

[1:07:36] Yeah, it's just something to contain.

[1:07:40] Okay, I mean, you double the width of it, so a truck can fit in there?

[1:07:44] Yeah, I think for us, for that particular spot, if you would mess up the whole flow of that area, I mean, I'd probably just move the dumpster somewhere else.

[1:07:55] Yeah, I mean, there was a provision in there that said the dumpster shall be wherever the dumpster's sighted shall be contained in the fence area of three sites.

[1:08:07] Okay.

[1:08:08] But I want to give you some flexibility. I also don't want you to have to come back again in 30 minutes.

[1:08:12] Yeah, I appreciate that.

[1:08:13] I'm going to give you some advice on how to do it now.

[1:08:15] is that there's a shown proof that it's basically this isn't where I'm up here and

[1:08:26] this is a, it's like a parking lot spot. So I just painted it in a flat pavement area here.

[1:08:35] So this is loading back where I was going to get a wall, looking as extension wall right here.

[1:08:42] whatever that could possibly be.

[1:08:46] Consider no close and we have building built-in.

[1:08:49] I don't think 36-inch. I actually think it's right

[1:08:52] because it's all just even that way.

[1:08:55] They give it a three-foot wall on five to six-foot jumps

[1:08:58] to meet what we're doing.

[1:09:01] And again, trying to be consistent and that's

[1:09:02] why we've done this consistently.

[1:09:06] I just want to make sure we do the same thing,

[1:09:07] that might not work.

[1:09:08] That's really the sixth foot, that's the second.

[1:09:11] I mean, it would be the same white vial kind of thing, like we've done for the liner.

[1:09:14] I mean, does that make sense to put that?

[1:09:16] Yeah.

[1:09:17] Is there an air, you know, somewhere along here?

[1:09:20] How about if you put it, how about if you put it here?

[1:09:22] Uh-huh.

[1:09:22] Right, and then you just...

[1:09:25] Yeah.

[1:09:25] Like that.

[1:09:26] Yeah, and again, could we just do one side into the side of that?

[1:09:30] It's...

[1:09:31] That's it.

[1:09:32] Yeah, this is crazy.

[1:09:33] For the way...

[1:09:34] It's crazy.

[1:09:34] What you need to access it.

[1:09:36] Yeah.

[1:09:37] You need to get to the side of it, it's what you say.

[1:09:39] Yeah.

[1:09:39] I mean, at least you would have like a building on the one side.

[1:09:44] I mean, you have to access it.

[1:09:49] You know, I see what he's saying. He's going to get to it and dump it in it.

[1:09:54] So it'd be a fence here. You'd have the building here.

[1:09:57] You have the fence.

[1:10:03] I got

[1:10:07] next to it, so I can say that.

[1:10:08] Yeah, that's kind of hard, but...

[1:10:11] Well, that's why...

[1:10:13] To me, that's why I said...

[1:10:15] The dumpster was here.

[1:10:16] And the fence was here and here, so you can pull in.

[1:10:20] That's not my concern. My concern is not catching it. Whatever comes out of it once will be.

[1:10:26] So, that makes sense.

[1:10:30] My students are like, what do you need another piece here to give them enough build up room to be able to back in there?

[1:10:36] Either way.

[1:10:37] Yeah, I'm saying what?

[1:10:38] You wouldn't even need, if there was one piece here, one piece here.

[1:10:41] And again, take the road so trucking pull it next to the dumpster in that same space.

[1:10:47] I don't see that as being concerned.

[1:10:50] If anything, we've less any of the input on that, of

[1:10:57] course, you know, if he's agreeable,

[1:11:00] so it's at that site, hi?

[1:11:06] Yeah, it's not ideal, but it wouldn't be much, you might be talking 10 and 10 maybe.

[1:11:13] It won't be as, as open as the other place would be, where he has it now.

[1:11:18] Yeah, and this is where we come in and out every day, so it's a lot more.

[1:11:21] But I think the problem is if I try to put that thing over there, you know, it's all about that.

[1:11:26] Yeah, but I understand that.

[1:11:28] Yeah.

[1:11:28] And again.

[1:11:29] It's like a consistency of all those circumstances and circumstances.

[1:11:33] Well, we're the fine line between campuses and dealing with the site as it exists.

[1:11:40] Right, the reality.

[1:11:41] Correct.

[1:11:41] But I'm just saying, you know, one of the two site communities that's so bad.

[1:11:45] I guess the other problem for me is, I mean, yeah.

[1:11:56] This is kind of what we're using as our area.

[1:12:01] I would keep everything that was dry and dry in this area.

[1:12:06] This building is basically vacant.

[1:12:09] Some day it would be nice if it was leasable.

[1:12:14] Putting my stuff over here is not ideal.

[1:12:21] Yeah, but I'm thinking of this, you know, as we mentioned, at least it's saving you that material on the back.

[1:12:27] And again, if this doesn't work because of the flow pattern, I

[1:12:33] just do not want to meet you consistent.

[1:12:35] Will we say that when dumps are completely up in the open?

[1:12:38] No, from the open.

[1:12:39] That's what we, that's not negation in itself.

[1:12:42] So basically, yeah, but...

[1:12:44] So where we're going to test?

[1:12:46] We're going to test.

[1:12:46] It's hard to say right now.

[1:12:48] I have to think about it, but I guess it's the rules I just have to fence it in wherever it is,

[1:12:55] except the basic idea.

[1:12:56] You need to be fence it on three sides and again, we're not looking to tell you it needs to be three or four feet off of it.

[1:13:04] You need to pull in a piece of equipment next to it to offload.

[1:13:08] Yeah, that's it.

[1:13:09] Do you want the accessibility?

[1:13:11] And realistically, if it's a roll off and it's a double-wide,

[1:13:14] He's going to drop one, pick up the envelope, it's easier for the guy, the hospital not effective operation.

[1:13:24] Yeah, because it might be, it's hard for him to say right now, but it might be better for us over here.

[1:13:31] It might be better for him.

[1:13:33] Yeah, it's not good for him.

[1:13:35] Okay, so what so we'll just say

[1:13:37] That's a lot of these ads of the ducts or wherever you choose is to put it

[1:13:45] Okay,

[1:13:48] so with those conditions

[1:13:53] Welcome to most of that we

[1:13:59] The specific conditions

[1:14:02] Per section

[1:14:04] We go one dash three point two point

[1:14:07] 7.2 packet of by-law. There should be no backing of vehicles on to or from the public way.

[1:14:16] Per section 301, dash 4.6.6 and table 4.6.

[1:14:23] Point 610 of the protected by-law. That's our ground water protection district.

[1:14:31] None of the outdoor bins can be used for the storage and the icing chemicals

[1:14:35] except where the bins are grinned and enclosed to prevent the generation and

[1:14:39] escape of runoff or leachate. Number eight new fencing and landscaping

[1:14:46] depicted on the site plans shall be installed within three months of the

[1:14:50] filing of this decision with the town clerk's office. Number nine secure the

[1:14:56] access from Botel Road and...

[1:15:00] Access, free of materials, number 10, fetch, free size of dumpster. Okay.

[1:15:13] What had, what had you read? Okay. All right. I think we're good now. I'm also going to move cycling 48, this is road five life with the conditions. Just read by state. Have a second. Second. Any more discussion? Any more favor?

[1:15:35] I suppose. So, if you know the drill by now, I'm going to write up the decision tomorrow

[1:15:42] of morning. Send it to all of you, send it to applicant. What you tell me it's good to

[1:15:47] go. I'll have the chair come in and sign.

[1:15:55] All right, thank you.

[1:16:21] State consistent with what we've been doing.

[1:16:23] I see if

[1:16:27] you see.

[1:16:28] Yeah.

[1:16:29] Okay.

[1:16:30] I'm going to have to conjunction with it if you want.

[1:16:32] Okay.

[1:16:33] All right, please.

[1:16:34] I

[1:16:49] mean, it's up to public.

[1:16:56] The next up is public hearing.

[1:16:59] Appreciate Brian White's special permit.

[1:17:01] I'm James Patton-Rolle, 192.

[1:17:03] 108.

[1:17:04] James Simpson.

[1:17:05] I have to get ready to meet the legalese on this.

[1:17:10] pursuant to section 301-3.4.2, access,

[1:17:15] a ton of spillage, technical buy-laws notices,

[1:17:18] here by given that the plane board will hold

[1:17:20] a public hearing on Thursday, September 12,

[1:17:22] 0.24 at 7pm in room 205,

[1:17:26] Frederick Municipal Building, one park street,

[1:17:29] to review a special permit application

[1:17:30] for shared driveway on James Pan drive.

[1:17:33] Tax 9.2, block by 08, James Simpson,

[1:17:37] and the applicant copied the flank they reviewed with the play in the cockpit office during regular town hall hours.

[1:17:49] So, this was a handful before, and the applicant is back again tonight at the Duke Mall,

[1:17:58] because before the station was playing in the hall, I'm going to incorporate both.

[1:18:02] So, we see it tonight to have us revoke, to make it official, to special permit, it will require supermajority, which will be 4 out of 5.

[1:18:16] So, just a couple quick things I want to say on a shared driveway.

[1:18:23] That's, last of me, it seemed to be some confusion on a shared driveway in a private way.

[1:18:31] A shared driveway is not a private way, it's a driveway.

[1:18:35] A shared, a private way is like Millie's way.

[1:18:39] Millie's way is that nature.

[1:18:42] Correct, walked away, things like that.

[1:18:44] This is a driveway, so I don't want anybody confusing it with what would be done on a private way.

[1:18:54] We've actually, it was probably five years ago, we got rid of the requirement to name

[1:19:01] to be my name, which is probably what started some of the confusion because they were

[1:19:05] ways.

[1:19:07] If you had a car on a driveway, something went, so I think that's where the confusion came.

[1:19:12] We got rid of that about four or five years ago and then, however, we didn't modify the application

[1:19:19] that's been modified.

[1:19:20] So now there won't be any meaning of this common driveway when we have come again in a couple of weeks

[1:19:27] or maybe moving on.

[1:19:29] So it's a driveway, it's not a driveway.

[1:19:35] That's what it's like for that.

[1:19:37] Mr. Chairman, I understand your question.

[1:19:39] And it's going to be...

[1:19:41] You came right here.

[1:19:44] Yes.

[1:19:45] Jim, you'll have an agreement on that chain driveway for the maintenance?

[1:19:48] I have not drawn up the agreement yet, but there will be a agreement between the law of sleep regarding sleep.

[1:19:57] Does it have a condition that will take close to the condition of the region of the world?

[1:20:03] Is it heated?

[1:20:04] Yes.

[1:20:09] So

[1:20:12] needing to be 4 out of 5, what's the sentiment?

[1:20:19] question in regards to being sure to drive, it is often a private road, it's not a

[1:20:27] kind of road, a change of the private road.

[1:20:32] So James Patton Way would be a kind of an example of what I'm waiting for, I just heard

[1:20:38] a kind of action.

[1:20:40] It's not going forward, it's a kind of road or anything like that, the one I'm behind

[1:21:00] So I'm just looking for a statement to make sure we have 4 out of 5 that we have that we have before the call.

[1:21:07] So I don't think so.

[1:21:12] Okay, so it looks like we would have 4 out of 5.

[1:21:16] So that being said, welcome emotion that we approve the farm and driveway, the

[1:21:25] James

[1:21:26] Patton Road, not 92, but away.

[1:21:29] Don't forget to have a second.

[1:21:30] Don't forget.

[1:21:32] Shall I read the conditions?

[1:21:34] It's the applicant shall contact the fire department for the assignment of the stream

[1:21:40] We need addresses, applicants shall obtain an order of conditions from Conservation Commission

[1:21:47] prior to applying for a building permit.

[1:21:49] If you don't have that yet, that's still an order.

[1:21:52] I hope that in next week's table or the conversation voted in favor of it initially.

[1:22:01] Okay.

[1:22:02] And lastly, the applicant shall prepare and execute a legal document entitled Declaration

[1:22:07] of easements and common rights and obligations for the James Pathway lot's one and two.

[1:22:13] Set declaration shall outline the driveway making its responsibilities for the owners of lots one and two.

[1:22:21] Set declaration shall be recorded at the Worcester County Registry of Deeds and be referenced in the Deeds of the respective lots.

[1:22:32] So I can't know what we've all done, but I'm going to watch them be close to the problem here.

[1:22:36] Some more?

[1:22:37] Some more?

[1:22:38] On paper.

[1:22:40] I've

[1:22:49] moved the special permit for the shape right away, James Panbroke for James Simpson.

[1:22:55] Some more?

[1:22:56] Like a more discussion?

[1:22:59] On paper?

[1:23:01] I'm also...

[1:23:02] What's your carries?

[1:23:11] Five, two, one.

[1:23:12] I'm sorry, Carl, I'll write up the decision tomorrow having the board look at it, have applicant look at it, you can come in and sign.

[1:23:22] Thank you very much.

[1:23:24] On

[1:23:38] this 20s, we're going to do a chapter where it's up here, but they're not here now, does that?

[1:23:51] What do we do with that?

[1:23:53] We don't need to be here.

[1:24:01] That's awesome.

[1:24:03] A couple of acting associates stay here.

[1:24:06] Yep.

[1:24:07] You're not at all.

[1:24:10] You're not going to be in here.

[1:24:34] It's like...

[1:24:35] with Rome, the quest for 45 Johnson Road, Cal2M18,

[1:24:39] and so my job on this would be to

[1:24:41] recommend, do not recommend,

[1:24:43] or bend the town or pursue

[1:24:45] or

[1:24:49] bend the town, but it's not.

[1:24:51] I just asked a question.

[1:24:53] I wondered what conditions would we recommend

[1:24:55] that we exercise?

[1:24:56] I really think if the town was looking for

[1:24:58] a piece of land, a lot of the piece of land,

[1:25:01] or something like that in all fields,

[1:25:04] or a critical abuse, it's nice to say the school

[1:25:06] or there was something that's down there that interested in expanding.

[1:25:10] Because that is a great corridor up a clean on the land through the air with trails.

[1:25:14] I forward this request to both the open space committee and the sterling land trust

[1:25:22] so that they can make their recommendation to the summit board as well.

[1:25:29] That's one of their roles.

[1:25:31] is looking at chapter lands that come off, that are proposed to come off the books,

[1:25:37] and recommend that the town by any cost is part of a blind late word or less of other protected lands.

[1:25:49] Their issue is that should they recommend it, let's the town have the money.

[1:25:55] In the seventh year, it was going to be in the real estate.

[1:25:58] So I've talked to them about how other towns knew this and other towns go to town reading

[1:26:05] every year and they ask for $5,000 to put it to conservation funding.

[1:26:13] And that builds up, let's say, it goes five years without being run by, and you've got $25,000.

[1:26:20] That's about to say to a land trust.

[1:26:22] Hey, look, we need your help in applying for a grant that will help us buy this piece of land.

[1:26:29] We've got $20,000, $25,000 of our own that we can use to take for the appraisal.

[1:26:36] And that's usually enough to address a reachable or a local land trust to step up and help with a grant.

[1:26:46] Seems like something that wouldn't be on the timeline of doing this right-of-first refusal thing.

[1:26:51] Right. This is like a very last minute. They have a purchase and sale. We have a very limited amount of time. Well,

[1:26:57] then exercise. If the open space committee has that money, talk to side, and then account, and they can say to the

[1:27:08] select board, can we have the time out here and give us the opportunity to work with a

[1:27:15] land trusts and see if it's something that might be a wonderful grant box.

[1:27:21] So that

[1:27:22] had seen happen elsewhere. Let me ask, I think we're not in a position to do our

[1:27:26] year for. Well, I'll be in the position to do it. I'll want to get number two. Who sets the price?

[1:27:34] The greater the importance it's going to get at the premium one. No, I think because the

[1:27:38] property in the store room is going on. Unless we have some other voucher, who wouldn't

[1:27:43] by anything. And I think part of your address was last meeting that mentioned this is six million

[1:27:48] square feet behind it. It's still staying preserved. It's not landlocked. There's no access to it.

[1:27:55] It's a cliff. Right. It's a cliff. Which realistically, that wouldn't mean forever. I'm expecting

[1:28:00] our police clubs to. It's not as though we were talking about that entirely properly. No, for one piece

[1:28:08] that is blocking the rail trail from continuing through. I feel like these, there are always

[1:28:13] so they're doing an ANR, carving off a small lot,

[1:28:16] then withdrawing that from chapter land,

[1:28:18] and we're like, we don't want the small lot of them,

[1:28:19] but those do that to the whole thing over time,

[1:28:21] and then it seems like we need to

[1:28:23] strategically, actually, to invest again.

[1:28:27] Well, so that's why I got in the round

[1:28:29] for the Open Space Committee to prepare a map

[1:28:33] of all the chapter lands,

[1:28:36] and all of our protected lands,

[1:28:38] and all of our Trinils,

[1:28:40] so that they can see what connects the land,

[1:28:42] So that when chapter A comes up, this should be a prior test now so that we come in here and we already know that this is a piece, this is on red priority, high priority, this is a piece we want to wrap up the matter but this is my realest place.

[1:29:02] Yes, it's what we're talking about on the experience that we're talking about.

[1:29:07] Yeah.

[1:29:08] All right, thanks.

[1:29:14] So, did we get a second on the motion?

[1:29:17] Correct.

[1:29:17] Then, I've got it.

[1:29:18] Did we get a second on the left?

[1:29:19] Okay.

[1:29:21] I have a post.

[1:29:28] Yes.

[1:29:30] From July.

[1:29:32] August.

[1:29:33] What did this do?

[1:29:34] I have to drive.

[1:29:37] I have to drive on lanes.

[1:29:41] I have to drive on lanes.

[1:29:43] I have to drive on lanes.

[1:29:44] I have to drive on lanes so I

[1:29:49] can use my money and I can work, I am sharia, I have to have the good advice and that is great.

[1:29:56] I'm sorry, I can't do this.

[1:29:57] I'm sorry, I can't do this.

[1:30:22] Let's change at the DIL-I-A-T.

[1:30:26] And for our office meeting, this could be just me

[1:30:31] blowing it on today.

[1:30:34] Did you come here last month?

[1:30:36] Yeah, I did.

[1:30:39] But maybe it's from me.

[1:30:41] Maybe it's from me.

[1:30:41] Actually, who?

[1:30:44] Yeah, he was here since the morning.

[1:30:46] He was here since December 12th.

[1:30:49] He was here since December 12th.

[1:30:50] That's today.

[1:30:51] And he wasn't here last month.

[1:30:53] Did you figure out who was here last month?

[1:30:57] Yeah.

[1:30:57] Yep.

[1:30:58] Is

[1:31:04] they seem to awful far back?

[1:31:09] I think this sucks about the crash junction road, which I thought that was in July.

[1:31:15] And it's also talking about big channel ahead, so the area where it is is far above.

[1:31:24] No, this is board grid debt.

[1:31:25] It's next meeting on Thursday.

[1:31:27] I just wanted to check these out.

[1:31:28] These out of the dilemma.

[1:31:29] Yep.

[1:31:31] The beans are already done.

[1:31:33] Which we already threw out.

[1:31:34] Yep.

[1:31:35] Open.

[1:31:36] Just like that.

[1:31:37] These out there.

[1:31:41] So we need the audience, wait, and at the bottom of my college, my work, I defend you the meeting minutes for July 18th and not August 22nd.

[1:31:51] So let's block that eye and put the heads here.

[1:31:53] And we'll trigger the schedule.

[1:31:55] Make sure you're on the scroll and remember it the last time.

[1:32:07] So here's what happened, so here's what happened, you also have the August 22nd meeting identified

[1:32:17] as the light 18 meeting up in the head, so in other words, if you looked at the upper right

[1:32:23] end corner of the crack one, it says August 22nd, but here it says July 22nd, so when you

[1:32:29] We do look at the new set these minutes for August.

[1:32:33] Yeah.

[1:32:33] We're going to say July here.

[1:32:35] Something like that.

[1:32:36] It's been now.

[1:32:37] We'll have a plan extra.

[1:32:39] Except for a tight war today.

[1:32:40] Yeah, pretty tight.

[1:32:42] And so I looked it over and I'll look for it this.

[1:32:45] It's coming.

[1:32:47] Here's the Latin.

[1:32:48] What?

[1:32:49] I'm Latin?

[1:32:50] There's Latin.

[1:32:54] All right.

[1:32:55] We got a ton like that for it.

[1:32:56] I'm just kind of on shift backwards.

[1:33:01] I know it's some of the objections to this.

[1:33:03] You know, it was mainly due to the fact that I think

[1:33:08] there's a place to shift backwards.

[1:33:09] I think when it's not feasible or extremely difficult

[1:33:13] to win some of the driveways,

[1:33:15] that that's when you've got to be able to do that.

[1:33:18] Rather than it's the first year of course.

[1:33:20] My concern with this one was multiple.

[1:33:23] or maybe you're on the right way, the location

[1:33:27] to share drive is completely in the middle

[1:33:28] of another public or regional problem,

[1:33:30] and so on, and this means I lay out.

[1:33:32] I'm not saying I'm clinically opposed

[1:33:34] to all share drive ways,

[1:33:36] but I just wanted to make clear,

[1:33:38] based on to be able to go in this way,

[1:33:40] is in this case, I know.

[1:33:43] But in this case, the share drive way

[1:33:45] minimizes the impact on the left hand.

[1:33:47] That.

[1:33:48] I think I should run into this way,

[1:33:50] but look at that as an excuse because that is not

[1:33:52] I don't want any specific letter.

[1:33:54] It's not a pawn. It's piece of damper.

[1:33:56] I don't want folks who would disagree with you.

[1:33:58] I didn't find you to see that, but that's why I mentioned it for the last one.

[1:34:03] The concomitiveness is that we do not want to drive this.

[1:34:07] I'd be inclined because that is different than the recourse.

[1:34:10] I don't like to find someone saying, well,

[1:34:14] I know what the sport would do therefore.

[1:34:16] You need to do this for me.

[1:34:18] I would rather actually have that definitively saying that.

[1:34:21] because, again, I drove for five years, three months ago,

[1:34:25] where my service ended is sweet.

[1:34:27] So some water goes through it,

[1:34:29] but it certainly isn't, can you have a tap?

[1:34:32] There's no less, you've heard it's down there,

[1:34:34] there's really nothing in the service,

[1:34:36] there's been picked some other areas.

[1:34:39] But when we got to the question,

[1:34:41] and this is where I had a problem with it,

[1:34:43] come on, I've heard this,

[1:34:46] and I was used to ask you to solve it,

[1:34:54] They approved it because they believe that the time we had approved that drop.

[1:34:59] So because of the way we were in error and how we voted, we did not have a single measure

[1:35:03] but we realized that so he proceeded on thinking we had approved a driver.

[1:35:09] This next step was gone but they knew at the time that there was a mistake on the driver

[1:35:12] it was going to be a redo because they tried timing, they tried timing, they tried timing

[1:35:17] I just find that the access of information is black for us.

[1:35:28] How do I ever say?

[1:35:29] Well, for us don't really communicate as much as they do.

[1:35:31] Wow, they do.

[1:35:32] They do.

[1:35:33] Well, you don't have an issue with conservation

[1:35:36] because we don't have an agent that can run out of steam.

[1:35:40] We have that.

[1:35:43] We have that.

[1:35:44] We're not letting the clock in the engines.

[1:35:48] I

[1:35:52] know weeks upon weeks without seeing that, so it's not like he's giving us hours.

[1:35:58] He's helping with the administration, the setting of agendas, the meds and all that.

[1:36:04] But in terms of inspections, they found that working so.

[1:36:10] So, let me ask you this, if we can't speak for the concompetent, if we try to get another person in here?

[1:36:21] Yes, we have. We have a shared conservation agent agreement with either Robin or West Wilson, and that felt true for some reason.

[1:36:34] I don't know.

[1:36:36] Okay.

[1:36:36] All right.

[1:36:37] But we have been trying.

[1:36:39] I think we should try a little harder because I think having a conservation agent in the

[1:36:47] building at least for a few hours every day is extremely important.

[1:36:52] It's the way that would try harder.

[1:36:56] What's that?

[1:36:57] Who is the we that would try harder?

[1:36:59] That would be the management team.

[1:37:00] to select or to hand the talent of industry.

[1:37:07] Good.

[1:37:08] I understand.

[1:37:11] It's all I have to do.

[1:37:13] Motion roll adjourned.

[1:37:15] Move.

[1:37:16] All right.

[1:37:17] All right.

Sterling Planning Board September 12 2024

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