[0:07] Welcome back everyone to meeting budget sessions. Um we kind of got through

[0:14] everything a real deep dive the big crash points about bigger changes and

[0:20] things that brought up going through those. It'd be nice if we kind of

[0:24] revisited each of those again. If we missed anything, just let me know. Um

[0:30] uh again I want to thank our department heads this year. You're not going to

[0:34] come here and things here from me until we're already until we're completely

[0:38] fully adopted. But great budgets presented

[0:42] auditor's office best look we've had yet going in to this ability to let us get

[0:49] online and do things. Christina ran with that. Thank Christina for it was a great

[0:54] tool for all of us investment time and energy. appreciate it and I couldn't be

[1:01] more humbled and proud to serve on this council. So, great question.

[1:06] Okay, ready to dive in? >> Health department.

[1:10] » Start with you. [laughter]

[1:14] » I don't know.

[1:21] [clears throat]

[1:27] Sorry, I wasn't here last week.

[1:38] » Yes. >> So, I know it's kind of messy, so I

[1:45] apologize, but we did decrease back down to our original salaries.

[1:51] And I discussed this with Ruth just a little bit ago. And then we were going

[1:55] to take one of our full-time positions that is split between

[2:00] um 7376 and 1159 and eliminate that position down to park.

[2:15] It's got the one4. That's what I was trying to find number

[2:24] two. Yeah. One104. >> Okay.

[2:29] » So that 31,000 will be eliminated from 1159.

[2:36] [clears throat]

[2:40] And then we also gave up insurance for Dr. Chrisman for the health officer

[2:44] position moving forward. And then this position would no longer have benefits

[2:48] either. So that would decrease our insurance and per

[2:56] line goes to part time. >> Yes.

[2:59] And I was going to move her over to 1161, but I don't know if you want me to

[3:05] do that now. I have copies for you.

[3:13] » I know it's a lot. I'm sorry. What do you need me to explain?

[3:16] » No. >> No. And I'm going to apologize. I am

[3:19] recovering from vertigo this weekend. So my question is 11.

[3:24] You're moving her to 1161 as a part-time person on the time

[3:29] person. >> So she will be the

[3:32] 31,00050. >> No, she'll be 28125

[3:38] » because she has a different pay. That person that is 31050 is going to be

[3:46] reduced also to no longer have a line there.

[3:50] » So the 28 what was the rest of that please?

[3:53] » 28125. Thank you.

[3:57] » It's going to be parttime and it's going to be for how much? $25 an hour. Oh, you

[4:01] want the total? Uh 28125. >> So rather than the 30

[4:06] » Oh, I was writing that down as the final number. I apologize.

[4:10] » But it would go under 11611410 0

[4:19] » feel like I'm talking.

[4:23] » So the employee that they gained during the health initiative

[4:28] they have just gotten rid of the uh person going part time and a part-time

[4:34] going correct. [clears throat and cough]

[4:39] So my question is going to be that when you add that to 1169

[4:49] the cash balance if I'm correct is already going to take a substantial hit

[4:55] by the end of the year. Correct. That's why we were worried about it and that

[5:00] there isn't enough cash balance to to carry the difference. We are not we were

[5:06] not positive 11. I have C carry over from 2024 and 2025 that I am using for

[5:14] 1161. >> How much is that?

[5:16] » Our carryover for 2024 was 19,41423.

[5:27] And then for 2025, I'm now using 15,5595,

[5:33] which gives me a remaining balance if you want that number also for 2025.

[5:39] » So is it does that make the cash balance you gave us of the two 227,500

[5:45] that's included cash? >> That's included in the cash balance,

[5:48] right? So it's almost neutral,

[5:53] » but it's decreased and that cash balance will continue to decrease till the end

[5:57] of the year, [clears throat and cough]

[6:00] » right? >> Yes.

[6:02] » We only got 180. >> And last year that total budget was

[6:07] 30245. So if we only got 180 and then we were

[6:13] eating into that cash balance of the and that it was at 227500

[6:18] and you thought it would continue to decrease and the rest of the year. Do we

[6:22] know what we think it'll be at the end of the year?

[6:27] » I don't think we've done that those calculations.

[6:30] » Can so we've spent 179 of 179 706 out of it already at the

[6:38] end of August. So we had so the rest of the year whatever is left will come out

[6:42] of the cash balance would be the thought. Is that correct?

[6:47] » Are you following my train of thought? [clears throat]

[6:51] » So >> so moving out of the position 27%.

[6:56] » Yeah. Mine is whether or not the year we'll be able to support if we'll be

[7:01] able to get all through 2027 without that cash balance being gone.

[7:08] So I guess my question is when you look at the location budget, how much

[7:12] unexpended has how much is there left to be spent has been appropriated, right?

[7:17] Would that be a decent number to take off that cash balance to give us kind of

[7:20] an understanding? >> 1161, right?

[7:24] » And 1161. >> I have do you guys have any

[7:28] » I have this

[7:36] making sense.

[7:40] Last year we appropriated 302,400. [clears throat]

[7:46] It only got 180 this year. >> We have expended which they pulled this

[7:52] budget 170 not yet 180. So we so we've expended the revenue from this year. So

[7:57] all that's left to to support in the last quarter is the cash balance

[8:02] » which

[8:07] 1159 >> 1161 was 164. So that cash balance of

[8:12] 164 has [laughter]

[8:16] » 40,000 less even

[8:21] less. The line is is we take whatever the cash balance is, whatever the

[8:24] location budget needs to be spent, and that should give us the injured

[8:28] estimated number. >> Yep.

[8:31] » And then that plus they know they're going to get 182. So those two numbers

[8:35] together, is it enough to cover what we're doing here so that it

[8:41] will just exhaust all of 1169 next year? >> Yeah, we have $44,000

[8:48] » left. >> Left.

[8:49] » You're better with numbers in your head. I'll trust you. I [laughter] told you my

[8:52] brain is right. >> Yeah. Yeah. There should be about

[8:55] $44,000 difference. >> That's why I'm pushing.

[9:03] » This is just a general is going to have to take a hit.

[9:05] » Yeah. >> Come through the quarter next year.

[9:07] That's why >> so that 164 396

[9:13] » cash balance minus 36,000 >> car that's in there is

[9:19] » 28,000. Well, and if you just took, right, if I just took her 302 minus what

[9:25] she spent, that would leave us about what she needs to spend the rest of the

[9:28] year. 302 405, [clears throat] right? 179706

[9:34] out of it. So, it's [laughter] 122,700 that she has left to spend. So, how does

[9:43] 42,000 in there? So if we end the year with 42,000

[9:49] and they're going to make not make their res 182

[9:55] gives you >> 224 and we were at 226 before we put in

[10:02] [clears throat] position.

[10:04] » That's neutral plus this position is roughly

[10:07] » but this one went away. >> So that

[10:10] » so we're actually looking at a $3,000. So actually 223

[10:14] » the part oh the part time that was there >> that went away

[10:24] and we got that other one by another thousand down there too.

[10:28] » So you're I mean you're breaking dead even.

[10:31] » Yeah. >> There's no

[10:36] » Yes. And I apolog >> in long session so they might adjust.

[10:42] It's priority for them to put more money back into that. But

[10:46] » we're the only ones. >> Oh, I don't think we're hang on a

[10:50] minute. [clears throat]

[10:53] » 11. So

[10:58] » if ours last year was 394, it brings it to whatus

[11:06] 37,000.

[11:10] Yeah. So, we're going to 460 now.

[11:17] [clears throat]

[11:22] » I don't think an increase of a levy for like a 100 grand is going to be that

[11:26] much of a >> So, that changes this.

[11:31] » Say that again. If it's just $100,000,

[11:35] then how do they >> It's not going to affect a levy that

[11:39] much because

[11:43] not very minimal,

[11:47] » but we're affect So you're going

[11:51] » it's going to pull from

[11:56] » 494 304 >> is where 1159.

[12:01] [laughter] So how I understand

[12:05] » it's 494 304

[12:13] » but that also she said she all the wages back so that's actually not hang

[12:18] » yeah I have that if you take all the wages back I have 4630

[12:22] 30.

[12:37] » Yes.

[12:42] » The admin fee, not the full. >> So, we pick up all

[12:47] pick up any >> we'll get to that.

[12:50] » Okay. Any more questions for [clears throat] the department?

[12:54] » I'm getting clarification on carryover because it's worded different to us than

[13:01] it is in your guys' terms.

[13:06] » I'm not quite sure. I understood it as it was held at the state,

[13:11] » but I might be wrong. So, that's what I'm getting.

[13:14] » Okay. verification course.

[13:19] » I also misunderstood, McKenna, that you were removing the part-time, the 315 for

[13:25] that part time >> from 116 or 1159. 1161.

[13:30] » Yeah. But in 1161, they said you were removing the 31 and taking it to 28. I

[13:36] was adding them together. >> Oh, yeah.

[13:42] » [clears throat]

[13:44] » Okay. >> Does that look better?

[13:47] » Yeah. Thank you so much. >> Well done. Last minute.

[13:51] » I mean, we're literally sitting here thinking, do we have to adopt a new

[13:55] rate? >> Yeah.

[13:56] » Health or major cuts. >> Yeah. I was here yesterday for hours.

[14:01] So, yeah. >> [clears throat]

[14:04] » And then I'll get clarification from the state on if it's cash balance or if it's

[14:08] carry. >> Thank you for all your effort.

[14:13] » Anybody else have anything? Thank you. >> No, thank you for being willing to

[14:18] thank. >> Yes. Thank you.

[14:20] » I went in thinking I'm gonna have to work in all the work with that. Thank

[14:24] you.

[14:39] So they actually gave us two health insurance.

[14:47] » Yes. [clears throat]

[14:52] » Yeah. I

[14:54] » mean that's big for us. >> Yeah.

[14:57] So that's going to look even better there.

[15:02] » That affects inside of So we were talking about the fact that she gave us

[15:06] two health insurancees then because [snorts] Chrisman came up came off and

[15:11] with her taking a full position to part time that came off. So we don't see that

[15:15] in her budget, but we would see that in the commissioner's budget insurance,

[15:20] » which is big. That's our biggest variable in general.

[15:25] » That's huge. >> What she just did? Yes, it is.

[15:30] » We'll cycle back to the community corrections work release request letter

[15:35] that we got. I just want to make sure that

[15:39] before we close door on that that we're all on the same page

[15:46] that department

[15:52] are okay with it. Big deficit program. We we do have the

[15:59] uh health insurance positions

[16:03] but um they the grants are funded for the added cost health insurance but all

[16:11] the claims

[16:14] if it's not there comes off and

[16:20] maybe who knows maybe many counties are in the same position we are not

[16:24] understanding things how they're going to fund it to continue it because of

[16:27] what the state did and maybe as they go into session down there if it's not

[16:32] funed for many counties they'll work hard

[16:43] everybody okay with where we left that unfunded right now

[16:50] » yeah I just I don't I don't know how it fits right now and it's

[16:55] You're in jail is my biggest concern. >> That's my concern is what is it going to

[16:58] do to you? >> It works.

[17:02] » We will find out. Is it is it going to throw you way out of rat? I mean it it

[17:06] comes down to 18 or 19 actual bodies. Is that right?

[17:11] » I want to say 14 was in my head. >> Yeah.

[17:15] How many people are on it?

[17:20] We'll have to look for I think it was

[17:43] » it's about being able to afford it. I wonder if this was you, Mike, because

[17:50] you're closer to the court

[17:54] if when they're in court about it and if that's not happening,

[17:59] » could they go either direction depending on the offense and the judge and you

[18:03] know what I mean? Does it necessarily push them all into incarceration or not?

[18:08] Well, that that's the that's the question the advisory board just has to

[18:11] handle is whether or not that may just push everybody to a home detention

[18:16] monitoriization type of situation. But there are some people on work release

[18:20] obviously that don't qualify for that just because of charges or whatever

[18:24] there may be. We think we think we were just a little higher than that. I think

[18:28] we were at 20 the last time, two months ago, but I don't know where they're at

[18:32] today because we're in that interim period of having a temporary director

[18:37] and she's she's doing what she can, but I haven't asked her as far as her

[18:41] numbers are where they're at. >> But if tomorrow, and not all 20 would,

[18:46] but if tomorrow, if you got hit with 20 more, is it going to put you hugely out

[18:50] of balance? >> Uh, well, sure. It's what it'll do is

[18:54] it'll push us right to maximum bed capacity. It'll push us right at that

[19:00] 80%. State state says 80.

[19:03] » What would happen with that? Let's let's say okay January one there's no funding.

[19:08] What happens with those that are already in Are the court's going to have to look

[19:12] at that again? >> Yes.

[19:14] Yeah. I I don't know what will happen that

[19:20] Pam's in here. Pam will probably take a lot of heat on that as well. I mean, as

[19:23] long as with us, not not that it's our fault. I mean, she'll probably see some

[19:27] participants come back her way. We'll probably see some participants be

[19:31] incarcerated and then the county will have to figure out

[19:35] a program because really truly at the end of the day I think the total was

[19:39] over aundred people in one way or another on that program like 115 or

[19:45] something >> in

[19:49] work release and home detention. Do you mean 100?

[19:52] » Yeah. But on the actual because we're not talking about getting rid of work

[19:57] release, right?

[20:00] » We're only talking about the work release position. But if we're going to

[20:03] get hit, if it's going to cause our insurance to jump, if it's going to I

[20:08] mean, if that price, if that 200,000 >> is going to just come from somewhere

[20:13] else that we don't have an option, >> right,

[20:15] » then it is do we need to figure it out and keep it? It would be better for us

[20:20] to be in control of it for someone else to dictate what we have to respond to.

[20:24] Yes. To answer, do we just pass $200,000

[20:28] though? I I don't think we can give that answer just yet. We have another couple

[20:32] advisory board committee meetings and uh I know the the current director is

[20:37] working on numbers on what they think and then with the new director. We're

[20:40] getting we're about ready to get a new director. Well, I shouldn't say we're

[20:44] about it's we're heading down that path right now selecting one.

[20:48] It's going to be difficult here. I have I have no guidance to give you. Bill's

[20:54] on the board. Pam's on the board. Will there's a or Andy's on the board.

[20:59] Laughlin, Commissioner Laughlin. So, right now we're really in an unknown.

[21:07] » Let's see if we can keep it on pause button. Is that

[21:11] » I think it's gonna when we come down to final numbers, I think we're going to

[21:14] have to talk about it. Sounds like to me as an option the back door. You don't

[21:20] want it to hit us next.

[21:24] [clears throat]

[21:27] » I know it's tough when you don't talk about

[21:29] » I I don't foresee the program shutting off.

[21:32] » I don't think at all. >> If if if word release was to close, the

[21:36] reduction in employees alone is going to save quite a bit.

[21:42] What was saying the cost per participant in work release was just astronomical

[21:48] cost.

[21:52] » It was all inside the grant. So no matter what, it wasn't hitting us

[21:56] anywhere else. >> Right.

[21:58] » Right. >> Right. But but he's saying if we just

[22:00] took it over, it would cost us a lot more than it should for participants.

[22:05] [clears throat] >> Okay.

[22:06] » So it's a balance between that and other unknown costs. I don't know. I think I

[22:10] pretend it was just let it >> Yeah.

[22:15] » Okay. U keep that tag as well. Assessor's

[22:21] office.

[22:25] [clears throat]

[22:37] You guys refer to the fact book a lot. Factbook is information based on

[22:46] based on census. You can't use the fact book when you talk in property taxes. We

[22:52] do not tax small children. We do not tax renters. We do not tax people who live

[22:59] in any kind of um assisted living. Right? So all of this here

[23:06] » that would be the case assessor's office for another department

[23:09] » all assessor's office everything in the property tax I'm talking recorder

[23:12] assessor auditor treasurer probably your building department and even your

[23:17] surveyor we all go by parcel count now my parcel counts on this first page I've

[23:24] just highlighted the number of words because I already [clears throat] had I

[23:28] had full-time employee counted four so if you look at those orange numbers I'm

[23:33] 19,000 parcels more than one of us. 16,000 parcels more, 12,000 parcels

[23:40] more. I do more work than those counties who have four people do. If you look at

[23:47] page two, I highlighted down in the lo

[23:53] and I am more closer related to Noble. He

[23:58] has 140 lake freshwater lakes and ponds. Of his freshwater lakes and ponds, he

[24:06] maybe has six or eight that could compete with our 18 or 20. I have more

[24:15] bigger half million dollar plus than he has. So if you look, I'm more comparable

[24:21] than Noble, [clears throat] but I'm still doing 12,700 more parcels on one

[24:28] less employee. Okay.

[24:31] So when you look at the personal or when you look at the property tax, you have

[24:37] to look at our parcel count. So then page three, I just gave you some stats

[24:43] what those 40,000 parcels can equal and the amount of work that it causes.

[24:49] Give me my little hold of the um we just got the the June sales this here. Nice

[24:55] little handful of of property cards is what we get in sales. This is how many

[25:02] splits transferred new plaques. This here's a bunch of of garage condos. Um

[25:09] these here get touched um three and four different ways for each [clears throat]

[25:16] we've got to go through nowadays. We got to go through and do sales disclosures.

[25:19] We got to go through and do deed transfers. Um, our software is not

[25:23] compatible with the new software that the auditor has. So, we still have to do

[25:28] all of this data entry and double checking to make sure we match with

[25:33] them. Everything is number driven.

[25:38] If you look at the last page, just to validate, sorry,

[25:44] just to validate, um, back in 2018, I had a full-time employee who left um, in

[25:50] September. At the same time, I had someone who was retiring in December,

[25:54] and you guys defunded me. So, I in essence lost two skilled and talented

[26:00] people at the same time, and I brought in a brand new girl. It takes

[26:06] [clears throat] good year. You only see some of this stuff once a year. It takes

[26:09] a good year to go through it and it's the second year when you really start

[26:13] going, "Oh, yeah." And you start catching on to it. The same time we're

[26:17] trying to get the certification and training. It's not easy to have somebody

[26:22] walk in and be heatedly discussing their values that

[26:29] may have gone up or their tax bill that they just got in April. You hear

[26:33] [clears throat] the word spike was mentioned. We have

[26:36] spikes when we mail the tax bills. We have spikes when we when we mail our

[26:40] form 11s, when um [clears throat] sales um tax sale deeds go out, when anything,

[26:47] you know, even at the end of the year when people want to come in for their

[26:50] homesteads, that's a spike. We have deadlines we're constantly working on.

[26:55] We don't really have a hey Kim, it's slow and you don't have anything to do.

[27:00] We've always got something going on and it's constant. So that last page that

[27:05] I've drawn your attention to back when I took office county general was 78,000 to

[27:12] $81,000

[27:16] asked. That's how much county general budgeted and spent for my office over

[27:22] the years. And some of it was with the help of of will we move some of that a

[27:27] lot of it over to reassessment. [clears throat]

[27:30] So reassessment now is funding that stuff. If you look at the very next one,

[27:35] my reassessment budget, Christina made a comment that I'm carrying quarter

[27:40] million dollars, but I'm budgeting over $300,000 out of that. So it's coming in

[27:47] with my with my tax settlements and then it's going out. But that one used to be

[27:52] at 675,000 when I took office. So we did do a cash

[27:58] burn. I think we ran a couple of employees out of it for a couple years.

[28:02] I now try to keep it around the 280,000 um cash balance because it's fluid. I've

[28:10] got money coming in with May settlement and again with the November settlement.

[28:14] So, I try to keep that one a little bit lower and I don't know if Will remembers

[28:18] working with me on that, but you know, there was no reason to keep, you know,

[28:21] 680,000 in in an account. Um, but that one there

[28:26] covers my contracts. That one covers my pable hearing. Um, some office supplies.

[28:32] I mean, a big bulk of it comes out of that reassessment.

[28:36] Um, my sales disclosure fund is my limited one. That one carries a $70,000

[28:41] balance right now. That one there, though, I'm limited on what I can spend.

[28:45] I can do travel, training, self-exposure stuff, you know. So, I am really

[28:51] watching what I'm trying to ask county general for.

[28:55] um in moving it to those other accounts and I really

[29:00] tightened the belts um over the the last 12 years.

[29:05] Um yes, we do have certifications. Yes, those certifications do have um a siphon

[29:11] that comes along with it, but we warrant certifications. We want talents and

[29:18] abilities to be able to handle when those people come in and they have their

[29:23] heated discussions with us. If you can't be yelled at in my office, you're not

[29:27] going to last. Um because they come in and their guns are both and sometimes

[29:32] it's a husband and wife and they're hitting you and you got to be able to

[29:36] control you control them and talk them through it. Sometimes they leave and

[29:41] they're a friend. Um sometimes they leave and they're not. Um we have we

[29:47] used to have 400 uh [clears throat] appeals every year. This year by the

[29:51] grace of God 253. Um so we are managing getting accurate

[29:58] assessments but again a lot of that is because we do stay certified. We do keep

[30:03] our levels and our training which is important. Everything starts with the

[30:09] most excess value. If you [clears throat] don't have the value, if

[30:13] it falls, your tax rates are going to go. You know, with SBA1, your tax rates

[30:17] are probably going to go up anyway, but I didn't [clears throat] keep my my GAV

[30:22] going. It'll help you less. um

[30:27] when you looked at your numbers and you said that I'm employeeheavy or or

[30:32] whatever because you think I have too many people um taking away people makes

[30:38] us miss our deadlines. We miss our deadlines. We get on we get you know

[30:43] dinged from the DLGF. We miss our deadlines. Kelly misses her deadlines.

[30:48] you know, all of this snowballs if I can't stay on top of all of the work

[30:54] that's there.

[30:58] So, I'm gonna apologize. I didn't start with the fact book. The factbook was a

[31:03] question afterwards. Can't find my paper and I apologize.

[31:08] I initially did a review of all of our major elected officials, the clerk, the

[31:15] recorder, the assessor, the auditor, and the treasurer.

[31:20] I looked at how much your budgets were and how many people you had.

[31:26] You had the largest budget if you removed the bond from the auditor's

[31:30] office because that's not really her. That's the commissioner and the council

[31:34] to pay the lease bond payment. If you removed that, you were the highest

[31:38] budget on that that existed. You were the largest amount of employees or not

[31:45] the largest, you were behind the auditor's office. I apologize, but after

[31:49] that and then since I had been elected, the treasurer, the auditor, and the

[31:53] clerk's office had all given back positions.

[31:58] I had went and spoke with pre um liaison. They said they'd had

[32:05] conversation about that your office. They thought that this wasn't the first

[32:09] time that the conversation about you being employee topheavy happened.

[32:14] That conversation happened. Lisa is the one that asked me to look into numbers

[32:19] of in your office compared to other counties. I did that. Then

[32:24] [clears throat] it was my understanding that a conversation had happened before

[32:27] that if you had lost a position that we would have a conversation about

[32:30] replacing that. that happened in December of last year. You did have

[32:35] someone who left your office and that it was filled when that would have been

[32:40] maybe our time to have the the conversation about whether or not this

[32:43] could have happened without us just defunding. So, I didn't just start with

[32:49] this and I apologize I showed up early the first day of budgets. I know it was

[32:54] horrible timing on me and I apologize to try to talk to you outside of a meeting

[32:58] and I'm sorry that I didn't get here till then. I I didn't know you had

[33:03] conference. So, first of all, I'm sorry, but it was [clears throat]

[33:07] and when I talked about your $2 and some,000 in your assessment wasn't about

[33:12] your balance. It was about the fact that not only were you the second highest on

[33:17] employees, but you spent 246 $262,000 a year on professional contracts. So if

[33:24] you're subbing out that work,

[33:28] we needed to have a conversation about the position. That's where it came from.

[33:33] » And as my liaison, I mean, those are something that possibly should have been

[33:38] discussed. >> I long before budget.

[33:42] » What exactly does that equal? What exactly does that do? When you figure up

[33:46] one of the classes that we have to do is figures how much you're supposed to have

[33:50] for your your full-time employee. We're supposed to have between 10 and 12

[33:55] people to be able to do our job completely. And that is on-site um re

[34:00] reassessment all the way through, you know, doing everything that we do. The

[34:05] Nexus Group does all of my ratio study. That's a big chunk of that contract. Um

[34:11] is the ratio study. I'm going to say it's probably $75,000 a year. But we

[34:16] have 500 neighborhoods. Each of those neighborhoods have to be individually

[34:20] matched and figured out what did what were the sales and what are the sales.

[34:25] Now you then have to go into each one of those neighborhoods and you have to put

[34:28] in that four six 8% increases. Now on each one of the people um you have front

[34:35] foot, you have rear foot, you have um residential, you have excess residential

[34:40] farmland, you got this, this this, you have more for one neighborhood, one

[34:44] parcel, you may have six or eight lines within that. That's all calculated. So

[34:50] it's a bunch of maths and the computer doesn't

[34:54] do it 100% for you. You have to go in and manually do it. huge undertaking.

[35:00] But that's a lot of what that part is. They also do all of the boots in the

[35:04] dirt. They do all of my new construction. They do all my

[35:07] [clears throat] industrial. I I can say four employees just by having them do

[35:12] it. >> And I get that. I think that we have

[35:16] several departments that don't run on the numbers that the state says they

[35:20] should have to what they do have. Right. I mean, I think I mean, the jail runs

[35:26] that way. I think I mean unfortunately we're trying to meet a need of a county

[35:34] that on paper doesn't match what actually happens here

[35:39] in lots of different departments. I I but if you look at this you're willing

[35:45] to cut me to three people. You look at this here yellow numbers that I got.

[35:52] Your three pupil is someone who has 13,000 parcels less than me. 16,000

[35:57] parcels less than me, you know, 18,000 parcels less than me.

[36:03] 18,000 parcels. Come on. Who's going to do all that?

[36:09] [clears throat]

[36:12] Now, I will tell you that there's a county to the south of us that they

[36:15] don't have they have one less employee than me. They have less parcels than me,

[36:19] but they also have their contract doing more work than me.

[36:24] I I can move it to my contract, but it's going to still cost.

[36:29] » So, what is the difference between moving it to a contract,

[36:33] » having them do the do all of the work, >> right? I'm um $180,000

[36:41] limited that you know

[36:46] it's still got to come out and then my reassessment is going to be

[36:50] taxed if we raise it by 180,000 and I'm only carrying a 2, you know 70

[36:57] balance. It's going to decrease the reassessment real fast.

[37:02] So can you tell me why your counterparts, the recorder who has a lot

[37:07] of parcels, the auditor who has a lot of parcels, how how have they been able to

[37:13] maintain it with with a slimmer okay? >> When they get their sales, they they do

[37:19] these they put in a transfer, they have to put it into their system and the new

[37:23] name and everything. Well, we have to take that, let's just say Kelly split a

[37:27] property in half. I have to then look at where does that line go, which parcel

[37:33] gets which improvement, which parcel gets, you know, is there excess

[37:37] frontage? Is there not? There's a lot more that goes into this. We also have

[37:42] to then look at the land. We have to validate the sales. Validation of a sale

[37:47] means we have to look it up on the on the MLS. We have to look make sure, do

[37:51] we have it assessed correctly? MLS's are one opportunity to see a picture. We can

[37:56] then dig into it. A validation of a sample can take 15 minutes per parcel.

[38:02] [snorts] You know, I then have my land girl who's

[38:06] also working on this. Every single one of these parcels having to figure out

[38:10] where does that improvement go. You know, how is this going to affect them?

[38:14] They only have to put in. It's no longer Joe that owns it. Now it's Fred.

[38:19] » I beg to differ. There's a whole lot more in my Don't bring

[38:22] » No, I'm just saying that goes into >> It's not a pissing match. I'm sorry.

[38:26] It's just we got six steps we got to do. >> Just don't say that. We don't work with

[38:31] three people back there. >> Three people doing that technically,

[38:35] too, because the other one does the other stuff with deductions. And there's

[38:39] a whole lot more that goes into that than just changing a name,

[38:42] » right? >> So, that's all.

[38:43] » And we've got the deductions, too. You know, the deductions come from us.

[38:47] » Exemptions. deductions or audits or exemptions are

[38:52] two different things. >> There's just a lot more steps that are

[38:56] involved to get it the accuracy of an assessment

[39:01] versus making sure that the right person is getting their tax bills.

[39:07] There is sketches that are required on Tony's side so that he's got it

[39:11] correctly sketched so we can accurately measure it.

[39:17] That's what that what that third page was with all of the different things we

[39:22] have to do and the amount of work that we have to do.

[39:27] We're not just [clears throat] oh hey you're gonna mail form 11s and

[39:30] answer a few you know even the appeals getting the

[39:35] appeals to me we have to data enter all of those then we have to have to work on

[39:39] them when you're working on an appeal I'm having the rent sales ratios and

[39:43] comparables and we're talking to the people you know we can work on on any

[39:47] one appeal anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour and then call well if you get

[39:51] someone who has no idea what's going on you're then explaining your whole

[39:56] process your property tax letter, your your assessed values, how you get to it.

[40:00] You can be on the phone for another hour. So, each appeal can take an hour

[40:03] and a half to two hours. And then you email them here, I just need your

[40:08] signature. And they don't sign it. And you have to circle back over, circle

[40:13] back around, and then invite them to a hearing like

[40:17] they don't attend. >> Yeah. I mean that is the nature of

[40:22] working with people today unfortunately that they don't follow through on what

[40:26] you ask them to do. >> We now have deeds that come in as e

[40:29] files. You know not only do we have the e files but we also have paper that also

[40:33] goes to count's office. So I mean there's you remember when I said 4,000 e

[40:37] files plus another 1700 in paper that comes across. Now the e file does save

[40:42] us paper. You no longer have to print a lot of things. So, we are doing a lot

[40:47] more digitally where we're having it up on the screen and there's not a bunch of

[40:51] stuff laying all over, you know, our counters, but

[40:55] it's just a lot of work to process.

[41:01] Overview 30,000 foot everything I'm hearing. Don't mean to interrupt if you

[41:04] have more to say, but just as we've worked with

[41:10] pressures exerted on county government and growth in certain departments

[41:15] over the years, we've worked with and liaison with department heads to say

[41:21] between technology investment that we're doing and [clears throat] just flat out

[41:27] u looking at efficiencies and restructuring, are there opportunities

[41:32] within And when I'm saying you, but everybody we've we've said this like RJ

[41:37] with the sheriff's department restructured, [clears throat] highway

[41:40] department restructured. They come in with requests for more help and they

[41:43] they find a way to restructure who does what duties to be more efficient. And so

[41:49] I think the ask here was um because of the investment in the technology and

[41:55] because the auditor's office was able to do that and other offices have been able

[41:59] to give back positions. you know, the more positions we give back, it's a

[42:03] fixed pool, the more we can do take care of for people. And so, if there's any

[42:07] topheavy or potential to restructure duties and assign, you know,

[42:11] responsibilities and that kind of thing, especially when the turnover attrition

[42:16] [clears throat] would happen, that's time to let's get together and talk and

[42:20] and you know, you've been doing this for a very long time. You know, your office,

[42:25] you know what needs to be done in there. Um

[42:28] but creative thinking has provided us with some solutions from other

[42:32] departments. So I think the ask was just is that possible within your department.

[42:36] » It is just very difficult with the amount of work that everybody is already

[42:42] doing. You're also gearing up for

[42:46] um me retiring and another gal retiring and we're probably going to go boom

[42:51] boom. you know, I got to get someone skilled and ready to at least

[42:56] [clears throat] step in to cover some of this, you know. Um, so there's going to

[43:02] be changes in the next four years going on in that office. Now, I know, you

[43:06] know, you talked to me last year about it. It's just really difficult to say,

[43:09] "Hey, you want to come in and work [clears throat] part-time?" when they

[43:12] don't even understand anything about county government or how the property

[43:15] tax systems work. Um, you got someone who wants to work for four hours. Well,

[43:21] they're going to go home and sleep, forget what they just learned. It's very

[43:24] difficult. You have to be immersed in it. You have to be thrown into the fire.

[43:28] You know, it's just really difficult. >> So, that's [clears throat]

[43:34] why I wanted to have the conversation because there's, you know, there's some

[43:38] unexpended funds in part-time. Um, we're just looking for everywhere that we can

[43:42] we can help general out without hurting what we're getting done, you know, and

[43:47] so if we're all working as could get loud here, sorry, just um we're all

[43:52] working as efficiently in our departments as we can and and that means

[43:56] not just productivity, but it also means you as the leader thinking about

[44:01] thinking about structure all the time and we all have to do that in our

[44:04] business and a lot of our departments have done that. Um, so we're just asking

[44:08] for help there if there's any, you know, way to consider that.

[44:12] » Ruth, >> and just for clarification,

[44:15] um, you kind of threw out, I'm not holding you to the $180,000

[44:20] that it might cost us additionally if we were to outsource more of the

[44:27] the things that the people in your department do.

[44:31] How many people would that cut out if we went I'm just saying you know especially

[44:37] if what they I just went by what their contract is versus my contract the

[44:41] difference in their contract per perc parcel we replace one person for that

[44:49] I'm just just trying to you know look at the you know the balancing scale if it

[44:53] would cost us $180,000 but if it would cut four people out of her budget then

[44:58] » Oh yeah we're talking Yeah.

[45:03] Yeah. Yeah. So, there's no golden answer.

[45:10] Well, we have time for final adoption. And as I continue to talk to you,

[45:19] the timing just sometimes these meetings didn't work out for like you were here

[45:22] last week and was here last week. So, we have time for more conversations.

[45:29] I guess I would be kind of curious to know, you know, if with the thought of

[45:35] you maybe two people retiring from your office, what would the exact dollar

[45:40] figure be to outsource more, you know, like all our GIS, we outsourced that and

[45:45] and that became a better value to us as a county? I don't know. But yeah, I'd

[45:50] love to see the figures

[45:55] and I know it's going to take some time and I'm not asking for an immediate

[45:58] answer. You want me to have my contract remended?

[46:01] » We just wor by who you already have doing part of it

[46:08] » for them to do more of what would that dollar figure be and how many people

[46:13] would that cut out of your budget. >> That makes sense.

[46:20] » When do you plan to retire? Not to put you on the spot. Do you have

[46:23] » for another four years? So, and if I retire, it's going to be at

[46:28] least three.

[46:32] » Got to get that golden number 60. [laughter]

[46:41] » I've already got I've already got my replacement trained. She's ready. I just

[46:44] got to get my knowledge dumped into her. I got to find someone to take her

[46:50] knowledge, which is Jessica. She does the most work with the lamp. She's got a

[46:55] lot of knowledge that I need to find someone skilled and capable to do it and

[47:00] it's not something the contract can do. >> Okay.

[47:06] » Thank you. Does anybody have any questions?

[47:11] » Okay. >> Thank you very much. [clears throat]

[47:19] Uh the next touch point on

[47:28] sheriff's department. I think we voted on

[47:33] jail position the one dispatch position. So the jail in the

[47:40] courthouse

[47:45] and then the sheriff pay was voted on.

[47:51] So I'm assuming that's the number and then if we do something with

[47:56] wages it's outside it's not touched by a separate discussion.

[48:02] » We never we decided to make that a separate discussion. It's my

[48:05] understanding that someone get that base point that we put it to would or would

[48:10] not be touched by the overall race. >> Yeah. So, we're just trying to blow the

[48:15] cobwebs off from here. Yeah. >> And we accomplished.

[48:21] » Oh, and then commissioner's assistant position

[48:26] um split and auditors,

[48:31] part-time HR assistant, and HR still commissioners. I think those were the

[48:37] highlights. I think that's all sorted out. Is that right?

[48:41] » I felt like we went back status quo how it was. The only thing I remember

[48:45] changing under the commissioners is that we pulled out of plan that field that

[48:52] code enforcement and put it in the commissioner.

[48:55] » Y

[49:00] okay. And then um there's talk about airport cash burn.

[49:07] I reached out and Dennis and Karen are trying to set up a time we can meet and

[49:14] we can talk about everything just because I'm not

[49:18] » as versed as you are on what >> um like could it be because we've had so

[49:24] many county matches. I don't even know if that even comes into play with what

[49:27] the cash burn is or where that comes out of.

[49:30] » Yeah. >> Um but we've had a lot of that going on

[49:32] this year with all the projects that we've had. But I looked at the balances

[49:37] on the fund thing and it kind of goes up and down. So I don't know when the TSA

[49:43] hanger people pay their lease and when that comes in and I got to get more into

[49:48] it. I'm gonna I'm gonna dig into it and get some answers.

[49:52] » We just want to make sure they have a substantive plan going forward. And I

[49:55] think >> seems like every year with their budget

[49:57] they say they give money back to the county. So, I'm not sure how that is

[50:01] different than like a cash balance that they're holding. Like, they're not going

[50:06] over budget and they're actually giving money back

[50:09] from what their budget is. So, I I got to understand

[50:14] fuel cells. She said goes into general, >> right?

[50:18] » I don't know. I gota find I got to do some digging. So, I

[50:22] » remember when we did that first initial big fuel purchase, remember that we

[50:26] gifted the money? Yeah. Um, I think it'd be a good idea

[50:32] because, you know, we're so deep into what our actual budget situation is

[50:36] right now, we're comfortable with where they're at for this year. We're talking

[50:40] about sustainability that we just give them on an agenda when we all have time

[50:44] to look at it first, their regular monthly meeting. Does that sound okay?

[50:49] [clears throat] Open communication with him.

[50:56] I would love that. So, yeah, you got a note there.

[51:06] All right. Uh, any other touch points before we just talk again about our

[51:13] wages? We'll get what parents got here for us.

[51:19] Wages and longevity discussion. So is there anything else that

[51:25] you want to think over bigger items that we just we like to even though we've

[51:30] voted on those things like to make sure you don't if they're major change

[51:34] whether given up health insurance those kinds of things I like to talk about

[51:39] them every single time we're together until

[51:43] » I do want to tell you that Aaron got me an answer from Don that we did have the

[51:49] right to take away the stipens and the the state employee places as long as

[51:54] they haven't been sworn in yet. So everything that we did there with the

[51:59] judge and the prosecutor and all of that is co is on the up and up and we're not

[52:06] exposing ourselves to anything. Thank you Erin.

[52:10] » Did we read magistrate because technically sworn in so

[52:13] » I had you pulled magistrate >> but he's Yeah, we pulled magistrate but

[52:17] he's not an elected position. >> Correct. But he is appointed and he has

[52:20] been sworn in. And I just received another email from Don when I was gone.

[52:24] I said so they cannot remove the judge Jers or magistrate Burns and he goes

[52:29] that is correct. Oh, so we need to put that. I ap that wasn't in the limit.

[52:33] » Yeah. I wanted this.

[52:36] » Okay. So that has to be readded in general.

[52:43] Magistrate is what's their location number?

[52:47] » Thank you. Last one. Yeah.

[53:02] Like one of the last ones.

[53:08] So in that

[53:12] » Yeah. One 091 that 5,000 has to come back.

[53:49] I'm good. Way to I know that um that probably will

[53:54] come in front of us >> when

[53:58] that position when he retires and it changes.

[54:04] How will that timing work for us when that new appointment happens?

[54:10] » That's a good question. So, his actually, and Tracy, correct me if I'm

[54:15] wrong, his is not paid through the state. His is paid through payroll every

[54:19] year. So, his is a little bit different. So, I would assume that it could be

[54:23] discussed at that point in time. >> So, as soon as we know that Magistrate

[54:28] Burns is retiring, we need to put it on our agenda.

[54:34] Because since he's not an elected official, we could have that

[54:36] conversation midstream. >> Avoid a new appointee happen before

[54:42] somebody else is appointed and sworn in. >> Thank you. I was just curious how that

[54:48] was going to work.

[54:54] Okay.

[54:59] [clears throat]

[55:02] Uh, I think we left it at a mockup proposal on a longevity

[55:10] structure and a wage increase. Darren, do you have

[55:17] » Yeah. So, I essentially gave that to you um last week. a little bit

[55:21] discombobulated today, but um we put in a maximum of $150,000

[55:31] um of course this is kind of like a moving target sort of thing um based on

[55:35] turnover and everything. So you wanted to do $100 per year starting after year

[55:42] three. So that is how I calculated it. Um I'm also using on my spreadsheets um

[55:51] 123126 as the calculation date. And so

[55:54] essentially in 2027 it'd be paid it'd be paid kind of in a

[56:01] rear sort of thing. So that way we're not working off the anniversary dates

[56:04] and making it complicated. And then if you're wanting to pay it out at the end

[56:09] of the year, like the first pay in December, as long as the person is still

[56:13] employed within that pay period that gets paid out, that first pay in

[56:18] December, they would get their longevity. It would not be prorated,

[56:21] anything like that. So, yeah, I was talking to a couple

[56:26] different HR directors on how they structure their longevity programs, and

[56:31] there's a lot of different ways to do it, but um this seems to be the easiest.

[56:36] Talk to Tracy as well because we can't do separate payrolls. So, it would just

[56:42] be a bonus added to the first pay, whatever you guys,

[56:47] » right? It can't be its own check. It would be rolled into

[56:53] Correct. >> And you would have that cap

[56:58] the cap. It's a $2,000 cap. Yeah. [clears throat] So, with everything that

[57:05] I have calculated right now, it comes out to 137,400.

[57:15] » Every single year after three, four years completion,

[57:19] » $100 per year. Yes,

[57:28] » we looking to do this as well and give me

[57:32] cost living increase as well. >> That's what we're talking about.

[57:36] » Okay. >> Um

[57:38] there might be different priorities amongst us. Um

[57:43] my my priority would be to institute this and then talk

[57:49] about what we can afford cost of living because cost of living is it doesn't

[57:53] happen every year in the free market world you just automatically get for

[58:00] cost of living. It is a little bit of a geopolitical football what numbers

[58:03] you're looking at because you know we go to war with Iran gas prices for them

[58:08] that can go away just different things happen. So typically

[58:13] they'll look back at other other governmental data will look back and how

[58:19] many quarters didn't look back on establish the trend in inflation instead

[58:24] of just a cost of you know cost of living right now today is this much more

[58:29] same time last year or whatever and I think trending is a much more stable way

[58:33] to look at it. Um co is co was an obvious example kind of a spike that you

[58:39] could have you know that would skew things. Um so [clears throat] more like

[58:44] the sustained inflation rate kind of a conversation.

[58:49] I don't want to get into the trap we got into the last time where we then baked

[58:54] longevity into pay to that was our way of giving raises that year and really

[58:58] skewed things exponentially distorted by percentage over the future years. So,

[59:04] um, you know, for discussion is is it $100? Is it is it the $2,000 cap? You

[59:11] know, all of those points that we touched on the other day. Um, you know,

[59:15] $2,000 caps. Someone's been there. You have a few if you go down through

[59:20] that list that have been there more than 20 years. Quite a bit.

[59:24] » I was looking. >> Yeah. You know, do you not keep

[59:26] increasing that for them? How many how many of them is it really? Like what

[59:30] would it cost you to do that? You got some 37 34 38 37 bless with a lot of

[59:37] longtime timers but it's overall how many numbers is that

[59:41] » then per is also growing all those years too.

[59:44] » Right. Right. So those are the discussion points.

[59:49] Um I like I like what we've got here for a base but if anybody wants to remember

[59:53] any tweaks to those now it's time to do it.

[59:58] I know you just kind of overviewed that, but I was just thinking about so what if

[1:00:05] and it's things aren't going to stay the same, employees aren't going to stay the

[1:00:09] same, but hypothetically if the same people were working next year, how much

[1:00:14] more would it be? You know, because every year it's going to get bigger and

[1:00:18] bigger.

[1:00:22] » I guess what I was thinking >> and you got to add benefits. figure out

[1:00:25] taxes and benefit costs, >> right? So, I I didn't know if there was

[1:00:28] a way to project >> 271

[1:00:33] employees and if they all stayed and they were at that three year

[1:00:38] » getting a year, I mean, yeah, not all of them are there yet obviously and you're

[1:00:43] going to have that turnover. So, it's going to be,

[1:00:46] » you know, rough estimates. >> Okay.

[1:00:50] It could increase with tax and benefits 30,000 a year. You got to have some

[1:00:55] turnover. So,

[1:01:00] » it's a good question. >> I think I'd like council to specify

[1:01:05] whether or not you want elected officials rolled into that. There's some

[1:01:08] counties that do, some counties that don't. Um I think on the county general

[1:01:14] um budget projection spreadsheet that annexported we did calculate in the

[1:01:19] 150,000 and put on top of that. So that's all rolled into that

[1:01:26] we did that on Friday. >> Right now your I'm sorry

[1:01:31] » no >> your sheet doesn't have elected

[1:01:33] officials. >> It does. Yeah it's the hot pink ones.

[1:01:36] » Yeah. Oh, that's why I'm not seeing the

[1:01:40] [laughter] >> You can barely see the ink inside of

[1:01:43] that color. >> So, right now, they are factored into

[1:01:46] that cuz I wasn't going to rip them without somebody telling me to.

[1:01:58] It's kind of weird

[1:02:02] position that's up there, right? >> Yeah.

[1:02:05] » I don't think I should be >> the council should be exempt from

[1:02:10] [clears throat] >> pull the elected officials out of this.

[1:02:11] » Well, pull all elected officials. >> I think so.

[1:02:15] » Would you allow their years to just not count at all if they go back? Like if

[1:02:21] you had

[1:02:25] » Yeah, like R.J. Thank you. >> Well, whatever else we did,

[1:02:28] » you not get those if you use an elected official.

[1:02:32] » You would have to word your policy the way you want it to work. So, I have a

[1:02:37] draft policy here that is used in another county where if a current

[1:02:42] employee is elected, then that person would get their longevity pay and then

[1:02:47] they would not get any more when they're an elected official. However, if they

[1:02:51] drop back down to regular employee, then those years as an elected official would

[1:02:55] count. So then their longevity would start again.

[1:02:58] » They just wouldn't get paid during that time that their years of service would

[1:03:01] count to towards the overall if they came back and stayed inside.

[1:03:06] » And it's all about how we were that policy.

[1:03:08] » I think that sounds I like that. >> I do too.

[1:03:14] » Again, we're not like we're just talking about this. So it's not like we're not

[1:03:17] saying the defense aren't getting anything. It's just applies to this.

[1:03:21] » We're just talking about longevity at the moment.

[1:03:24] » Well, I like it all started. I'd say take council out of it. Anybody like

[1:03:29] like that or dislike that? >> Do you need a motion?

[1:03:33] » Not if we all kind of agree, right? >> Anybody feel differently about that?

[1:03:38] » I don't feel differently about that. I >> I think council should be taken out.

[1:03:47] » [clears throat] >> I

[1:03:51] elected officials. We are elected.

[1:03:55] » We should come. >> Well, if we take question Yeah. We're

[1:04:00] not just taking council out, but as of right now, the other elected officials

[1:04:04] are >> I I like the policy as presented that

[1:04:10] you don't get it while you're an elected official, but yours is service count.

[1:04:14] » I agree with that.

[1:04:20] » Where [clears throat] was that from, Eric? help

[1:04:35] their seniority would stay when they came back as a county.

[1:04:38] » Yeah. After so

[1:04:43] a perfect example as an elected he's not going to lose his

[1:04:48] years. It just would have been if this was established while he was a sheriff,

[1:04:52] you would not have gotten it while he was at the elected official rate.

[1:04:57] » But then when I see like if you started and you worked for 10 years and then

[1:05:04] became elected official, are you getting it while you're elected official?

[1:05:08] » No. >> Okay. They would not get it. It was you

[1:05:12] would just get paid out on that before they take office and then they would be

[1:05:16] the elected official. So they would no longer get the longevity. But if they

[1:05:19] went back down to a normal employee, you know, as a chief deputy or something

[1:05:23] like that after >> RJ

[1:05:26] [laughter]

[1:05:32] [laughter]

[1:05:36] just get paid and then Yeah, that makes sense, right?

[1:05:43] » [clears throat] >> on this one.

[1:05:46] It is tough. >> It's a great problem to have elected

[1:05:50] officials. >> Well, that were employees before they

[1:05:52] were elected officials. That's what's tripping me right now.

[1:05:58] Be different if they didn't work for the county and then all of a sudden they're

[1:06:01] elected. But they worked for the county 10 years and then were

[1:06:07] I don't know. But they got maybe some of them got a

[1:06:11] longevity pay during that time when we still had longevity pay.

[1:06:15] » Yeah, true. [laughter] I'm sorry.

[1:06:35] » Jump over to percentage increase and then we can kind of marry the totals

[1:06:38] together.

[1:06:47] I think if we're going with longevity pay, I'm comfortable with two or two and

[1:06:52] a half% increase in pay for cost of living.

[1:07:02] I I like that idea.

[1:07:12] It was more than enough then I [laughter]

[1:07:17] 3% but >> and I'm I'm toying in my mind.

[1:07:23] » It better be two and a half and I guess I like that.

[1:07:32] like for I'd like for the sake of future thinking longer term on that end like so

[1:07:38] 2% that was a $900,000 bump. This is just like compound

[1:07:44] interest, right? If the structure stays this way and we do a percentage increase

[1:07:48] every year ago that 900,000 is going to become 1.2 million next year, it's going

[1:07:52] to become 1.7 million the next year. It's not sustainable

[1:07:57] um on that end of things, I don't think. And maybe not while we're in council,

[1:08:01] but in seven, eight years, that number is chewing.

[1:08:03] » Depends on our growth that we get those years though, too.

[1:08:06] » There's some of that um [snorts] >> or if it went to more of a

[1:08:12] a pot that was given out where it wasn't necessarily us deciding it like, hey,

[1:08:17] there's whatever we they said it's $900,000. We're like, there's a $900,000

[1:08:20] pot. I don't know you throw this and use some back department heads so they can

[1:08:25] decide for their departments kind of a thing where it's not

[1:08:29] necessarily a guaranteed thing. You got to work for a little bit.

[1:08:33] » We went down that road with Tony. >> Did you? I've heard I've heard

[1:08:38] » we went down that road. >> Aaron there was some discrepancy about

[1:08:43] the others outside of general. We know the hard number. So, um I don't know if

[1:08:49] you've heard about the difficulties we had for Ann and I could not get into Lao

[1:08:53] um yesterday and then I had a viewing this morning I had to go to. So, I have

[1:08:58] not finished all of the special funds. Um I was working on them so I don't have

[1:09:03] a hard number to to give you today with all that. Um, I was working on my

[1:09:08] spreadsheet a little bit, but we thought that it was probably a better method to

[1:09:12] go ahead and do it through budget projection, export it to Excel, and then

[1:09:16] have those exact numbers for you. And that's kind of where we're at right now.

[1:09:23] » The way we left it [clears throat] >> because I got general done and that

[1:09:27] looks like, and Ann, correct me if I'm wrong, was about $470,000

[1:09:31] increase. And then I got seedant done in um I

[1:09:37] think it was 12:22 um 12:36 1235 and some of the health

[1:09:44] department funds done before I left this morning.

[1:09:49] » We're still working on that. So the spreadsheet you had generated of course

[1:09:53] last week had the increase in general to get a 2% at 21,694

[1:10:01] and you just said 470 >> that and that was with all of your

[1:10:05] changes that you moved everything around. So that had all the changes that

[1:10:09] Ann made in budget projection. >> Yeah. Doesn't it include longevity too?

[1:10:14] » And it includes longevity >> or sorry. Okay.

[1:10:17] » Yes. So aside from that, >> yeah,

[1:10:20] » longevity, >> it includes longevity, the FICA on

[1:10:23] longevity as well. Perfect. It includes everything. So that is like your general

[1:10:28] number. >> So what is that general number with all

[1:10:33] of our changes just in general instead of being the 21.2

[1:10:38] that was initially in here we started with? What does it make it now? What is

[1:10:42] that number now? The new the new total requested budget for 2027

[1:10:51] just general >> 19 million7

[1:10:56] 450 263 I said 41 752 so 19750

[1:11:04] 263 >> 263

[1:11:09] and that was we never talked about actually the potential of them

[1:11:14] the financial services and the excise from

[1:11:21] from our sorry my brain is not working from our

[1:11:26] levy to general right we didn't we moved that would have increased it that

[1:11:32] 154,000 and whatever that we discussed >> yeah we never we didn't talk about that

[1:11:38] right I just want to make sure I'm right Yeah.

[1:11:44] » So, we come back to this.

[1:11:51] We decided that we were going to use Peter's number

[1:11:56] [clears throat] of the 20 million.

[1:12:03] [clears throat] So, so you're saying with the longevity

[1:12:09] and with the 2 and 12% you came up with the 19.7. So we got

[1:12:15] with our cuts and 2%

[1:12:22] » I thought that was the direction that was given

[1:12:31] » actually after the general the first time

[1:12:35] [laughter] I have

[1:12:45] » [laughter] >> That has that has never happened.

[1:12:54] » Holy smokes. Maybe it was worth making myself sick.

[1:13:04] I came up with some kind of dizzy pod today. [laughter]

[1:13:11] So with the raises and with the logic, we're still under29.

[1:13:17] That's the difference between Peter Franklin and the number Ian just gave

[1:13:21] us. I came up with $924,329. That's exactly what I came up with.

[1:13:30] » 3%.

[1:13:38] » [clears throat] >> Now it increased by like 275,000

[1:13:41] or whatever. >> I'm going to go [clears throat] back to

[1:13:45] retract my statement when I said officials.

[1:13:51] » You're sorry. That's right. because there's room.

[1:13:57] » I retract my thought on I said I was kind of twisted on whether we elected

[1:14:02] officials or not

[1:14:07] one of those little bit weird things but there's different scenarios within each

[1:14:12] of those that we just brought up that are making me think

[1:14:17] we should leave it alone. So we elected in other than council. That's what your

[1:14:22] thought. >> That's what I'm thinking. Well, we can

[1:14:25] council hasn't taken a raise 28 years and we voted not to take a raise. We did

[1:14:28] leave council too, but >> that's only going to touch a few

[1:14:38] totally throwing the curveball. Do you let cune burn as much as we were to let

[1:14:41] it burn since there's room? We were we left how many plays burning

[1:14:50] because we thought we had to, >> right?

[1:14:53] The last few years it was. So yeah, that's

[1:15:04] » I didn't I didn't think we would get that that number. I didn't think

[1:15:10] » we had things we could move back from to last

[1:15:16] » way over budget and we're going to just let it burn. we

[1:15:22] were going we made the decision to burn and

[1:15:24] » because we think we >> and several different accounts because

[1:15:27] we thought the general was general was burning and now

[1:15:32] » I don't want to go through all that again but my initial thought was

[1:15:37] my first thought of how much we would

[1:15:43] » well you can see how this all plays out >> that's true

[1:15:48] » I've got 350 355,000 of revenue

[1:15:53] Thank you. >> Thank you. Yeah. Know what was that?

[1:16:04] [clears throat] >> There's there's a lot of levers there.

[1:16:07] We talk about tax rate. We talk about we talk about next year position a lot of

[1:16:13] stuff. you know,

[1:16:22] in Newton health. I don't think it still would get us where Chip wanted to be

[1:16:28] for that other discussion. >> Oh, you were talking about

[1:16:31] » bridge bridge and braids and all that. So,

[1:16:36] I >> mean, it's

[1:16:38] jeez that can all be a conversation for next

[1:16:42] year. That's okay. >> We can budget one more time right now.

[1:16:48] » [laughter]

[1:16:51] [clears throat]

[1:16:59] » You think that

[1:17:03] » you think that we can't write the ship by next year?

[1:17:10] [clears throat] >> Doing just

[1:17:14] back. We don't know. We don't know nothing.

[1:17:18] » We don't know. >> That's a problem.

[1:17:21] » They're gonna show up in January and maybe flip the whole thing on its head.

[1:17:26] » Okay with that. And we want to do that because this is the first year that

[1:17:30] we're going to have general without that art money back in.

[1:17:34] So, so we're missing that [clears throat] million, right? which is

[1:17:38] about where we're at where if it rears its ugly head, we've left ourselves

[1:17:44] enough room, right, that we don't end up in a bad place,

[1:17:47] » right?

[1:17:51] » A couple places not in trouble, right? Set them up there.

[1:17:57] » I think we decided to state 9116

[1:18:08] bridge. >> We're burning some

[1:18:14] 1224.

[1:18:17] » We're going to burn all of 1161. >> Yeah.

[1:18:23] » So maybe it's better to leave it where it is and and see what this looks like

[1:18:28] » because in 2028 we're going to be in the same because general is going to be

[1:18:32] looking down the barrel of absorbing some of those things.

[1:18:38] coming into there. >> Well, they can't go they can't go

[1:18:40] anywhere else.

[1:18:45] [clears throat] >> They probably haven't had time, but

[1:18:46] another big piece of this is that law library piece.

[1:18:52] » Yeah, because it's still in both. And we're trying to decide if we could

[1:18:56] allocate. But did we both didn't have anybody, right?

[1:19:01] He he was not in >> we talked about 20% of the positions or

[1:19:05] something like that. >> Yeah.

[1:19:07] » Yeah. There's nobody utilizing it. >> The public defender office gets their

[1:19:12] legal research and AI tool for $90 per month and that includes two users and

[1:19:16] that's through the Indiana public defender commission. Um, from what I

[1:19:20] understand, and I don't know how the contract is for the law library here,

[1:19:25] but what I understand is on the private side of things, and Christina, you

[1:19:29] probably know this, it's closer to $450 a month for one user if a private

[1:19:34] attorney gets it. So, I took 135,000 divided by 450ID by 12 equals 25 users.

[1:19:42] Now, is that how our contract is figured? I have no idea.

[1:19:47] So, you know, that's where I think some research needs to be done on how the

[1:19:52] contract is structured with the courts and if it is by users or if it's by a

[1:19:56] different method. But currently, the PD office has their own and that is being

[1:20:01] applied to their reimbursement.

[1:20:07] » All right. And [clears throat] and when we talk about 135,

[1:20:12] » it's they didn't you're telling us that that could go from 300,000. You're

[1:20:18] talking about in 1138 in 4,000

[1:20:25] 40015. That's where you're saying that 350

[1:20:30] reduced by 135. >> I'm not saying we want to reduce it by

[1:20:35] 135. I'm saying that it's always been out of there. We also did

[1:20:41] some additional appropriations for

[1:20:46] um

[1:20:50] when you say built in both places, that's the line item that's a single

[1:20:55] line item under the commissioners in general and

[1:20:58] » that [clears throat] is what it is here in act and but it's built into that

[1:21:03] correct machine and equipment. I think it needs its own line item no matter

[1:21:06] what to be able to keep track of that. But

[1:21:10] one I don't think that there's any reason to take it out of general right

[1:21:13] now because we did a lot of work and

[1:21:21] then we spend this next year understanding what that you know these

[1:21:25] users and what it is and [clears throat] what could be and

[1:21:40] We're in a good spot. I I like that this is a little positive

[1:21:45] because we have no we've never we haven't done the last few years without

[1:21:50] that [clears throat] crutch inside of general and with that

[1:21:55] crutch being gone and with that kind of number

[1:22:01] if that crutch mattered we're going to be fine

[1:22:06] because we did so much work we've got a we've got room to learn,

[1:22:12] » right? Medical expenses are going to be so many burials. There's so many there.

[1:22:30] They're smiling.

[1:22:32] » I have I just have never seen it look like that since I've been elected.

[1:22:43] » Ready for motion

[1:22:50] » for a motion on

[1:22:59] second or what? You're

[1:23:06] » Did we decide what's going to happen on longevity and elected officials?

[1:23:12] » Is that decided yet? >> Council out.

[1:23:16] » Yeah. Okay. We decided council out. >> Vote on that one.

[1:23:19] » No, I don't want you. I think we all agreed on council out.

[1:23:25] But even [clears throat]

[1:23:30] your commissioners and your council if you're going to give I mean this is not

[1:23:34] me I'm not in that number but I think the amount of wisdom that is brought to

[1:23:42] officials being here and and the what you guys bring is very very

[1:23:50] valuable heck of a lot more valuable than I was my first few years where I

[1:23:55] wanted to talk about every $50. Do you know what I mean? You guys understood

[1:24:01] the nature of how why things happen or this or that. It's my opinion that

[1:24:08] you weren't dead. I

[1:24:11] » I say if we're going to leave elected officials, they got to just do it right

[1:24:14] straight across the board. That's my opinion. It's not that big a deal for

[1:24:18] the council. I mean, >> we want to donate the money to whatever

[1:24:22] we can. That's what we do. >> I mean, seriously,

[1:24:26] » I mean, in this council, I mean, >> I think it ought to be equal.

[1:24:30] » Yeah. >> I think I think we should go all the way

[1:24:34] across >> is my opinion. Do you want us to vote on

[1:24:37] it? >> I think we should

[1:24:40] I think it would be cleaner if we voted on that. What's going to do?

[1:24:45] » Then I would make a motion to put in longevity the way Aaron

[1:24:52] presented and leave elected officials in.

[1:24:58] Oh, but how does that that is my motion? [laughter] That is my

[1:25:03] motion. I always want to talk more. I'm sorry.

[1:25:07] Can I make a suggestion? I know you need a second, but can you tell which one you

[1:25:12] want the 100? because you had three different ones to choose from. Oh, can

[1:25:16] you put it in? I support my motion for your motion.

[1:25:21] » Yeah. >> I

[1:25:23] make a motion to institute longevity pay at $100 a year after three years to be

[1:25:31] paid with the first pay in December. Um, with no pration if you're pration I'm

[1:25:38] not sorry I'm saying that word right. If you leave with a cap of 200 2,000

[1:25:45] with elect with elected officials in

[1:25:51] the way Aaron presented based on Decal County. Is that the appropriate way to

[1:25:57] do it? >> Yeah.

[1:26:01] » Okay. I have to get my second first. Yeah.

[1:26:07] » Oh, sorry.

[1:26:12] » Christina, Bill discussion.

[1:26:17] » Council wouldn't get it because they're elected officials and you don't get it

[1:26:21] right. The way I did it for not giving it to elected officials while they're in

[1:26:25] office, council would earn the years, but they would never be paid unless they

[1:26:29] went to a different job. But you just said leave elected officials.

[1:26:34] » So you kind of mixed them mixed the two of them there. So

[1:26:38] » So it needs to be clarified. >> If you want to leave all elected

[1:26:41] officials in. Okay. But then we will not have that

[1:26:46] that specification in the policy where if somebody if an employee becomes an

[1:26:51] elected official then they won't get any more when

[1:26:54] they're elected official but the years of service. So that is that goes away.

[1:26:59] » Yeah. We're we're we're in discussion, right?

[1:27:03] » Yes. [clears throat]

[1:27:05] » We can still have discussion. I could amend my motion.

[1:27:08] » Yep. Certainly can. >> Correct.

[1:27:09] » I think you take out errands. You got to not base it off of

[1:27:15] » Yeah. I mean, I there was a couple different things that I had said that

[1:27:20] how to figure it and things like that. Um, but then on the little policy, which

[1:27:25] the policy is going to have to come to you guys anyway because it goes to the

[1:27:28] commissioners and the first counced,

[1:27:34] but um, we just would leave that section out about elected officials and we just

[1:27:38] say that elected officials are included if that's what you're wanting to do.

[1:27:46] » So, I guess it comes down to what do you guys like better? Do you like that

[1:27:51] elected officials get it or they don't get it? We, you know, when you talked

[1:27:54] about council and >> I thought you guys, but if we're not,

[1:27:58] originally we talked about not getting it if if you'd become an elected

[1:28:02] official. So, what do you think? Do you think I redo

[1:28:07] my I think I'm going to amend my motion. >> She had said elected officials. If

[1:28:14] you're giving it to people, okay, [clears throat] based out of their long

[1:28:17] your years is somewhat kin 12 year elected official

[1:28:22] and as my other elected official long for their long wait official come back

[1:28:29] and work for the county. So you take the last time for their career you could

[1:28:33] take it away from them. >> I I think it should be elected official.

[1:28:38] I mean, because we have some offices where the elected official is in term

[1:28:42] limited. Yeah. >> And then they

[1:28:45] train it out with their first deputy. >> Yeah.

[1:28:48] » And so only when their first deputy would they get it, not when they're the

[1:28:52] elected official. >> And that's

[1:28:55] » so I I think that you could get wages out of skew within departments

[1:29:00] [clears throat] >> if you take the elected official out.

[1:29:03] And I also think the motion needs to discuss

[1:29:07] that the lunch pay is outside of what's considered towards first deputies

[1:29:13] percentage pay. >> Oh, true.

[1:29:18] [laughter] >> Stand alone. You know what I mean? Like

[1:29:20] that. >> Yeah. I didn't think about that.

[1:29:24] » That's how we got That's why we got rid of longity pay a few years ago because

[1:29:27] it got so complicated skewed things so bad. We have to be really careful about

[1:29:31] not listening to details. >> Yeah. because I I don't want it to

[1:29:35] affect base pay. Yeah. At all. [clears throat]

[1:29:38] » Yeah. We're looking at this as a public thing.

[1:29:42] » There's no way to make it stand alone. It has to go into a payroll.

[1:29:46] » No, >> that's fine. As long as that

[1:29:48] » No, but I mean I think it's fine as long as as long as it doesn't become I didn't

[1:29:52] think about that. I don't want it to become part of

[1:29:55] » nothing else does. She >> So the motion needs to say that it's

[1:29:58] » so your stipen doesn't >> no

[1:30:01] » only their base pay >> makes up the 85%. These motions be that

[1:30:06] this is this is a bonus [clears throat] outside of

[1:30:14] » outside of anything

[1:30:20] elected officials in our >> current motion. You can either die

[1:30:27] » that's what I was trying to decide whether it was best to die or just do an

[1:30:30] amended motion. Um, or maybe I shouldn't do it since my

[1:30:35] brain doesn't work. Um, okay. I amend my motion

[1:30:41] to be a bonus never to be factored in to base

[1:30:49] pay of $100 a year after year three. $100 each year thereafter with a cap of

[1:30:57] 2,000 to be paid in the first pay in December

[1:31:02] with no proration if you are no longer employed at the time first pay of

[1:31:06] December we forfeit it and that it is for all county employees

[1:31:13] that sound better

[1:31:16] fulltime what about part

[1:31:21] only fulltime and the base

[1:31:33] on that.

[1:31:38] [clears throat] >> What was that you said? [laughter]

[1:31:42] Sorry, I wasn't listen.

[1:31:55] asked me to repeat that. [laughter]

[1:32:01] [clears throat] >> I'll try to restate it.

[1:32:04] So, longevity pay based on $100 per year after three full

[1:32:10] years paid in the first pay period in

[1:32:14] December. not grow rated. If the employee leaves

[1:32:20] as a bonus not factored in base pay to include all county full-time

[1:32:27] employees, including elected officials with a cap of $2,000, it's $100 per year

[1:32:36] paid every year after two years.

[1:32:45] Okay. Any other discussion?

[1:32:52] Okay. All in favor raise your right hand.

[1:32:56] 52

[1:33:02] » to no reason >> only because council is in there you

[1:33:08] know all these

[1:33:11] saying that it's only the part of the council and I wasn't going to let it not

[1:33:16] pass [laughter]

[1:33:20] » yeah [laughter]

[1:33:23] when you nobody made a comment about

[1:33:29] Okay. And then what about uh the percentage wage increase? We we have

[1:33:34] our total cost. It was it was told to us our total

[1:33:40] the total cost of $470,000

[1:33:45] with a 2 and 12% wage increase including what was just voted on

[1:33:50] invivity including the benefits and taxes associated

[1:33:56] with it.

[1:34:01] So that number's the number >> county general

[1:34:07] » in county general. Yes. Yeah. That's that title I have over the header of all

[1:34:11] that they just wrote. >> Yeah. So it will be

[1:34:15] » some shake out. >> There'll be more increase in the other.

[1:34:18] Yeah, for sure. >> There's some big ones in [clears throat]

[1:34:23] » PAP 911. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:34:27] » EMS. There's some big ones.

[1:34:30] » There are some >> I mean

[1:34:46] feel like we did the work to be able to do what we're

[1:34:53] going to be. be a much bigger number when you get

[1:34:57] those. Say that one more time.

[1:35:07] » Thanks.

[1:35:18] » Well, we did the work. We cut it down. It's 100.

[1:35:21] » We can do it 5,000 just

[1:35:28] benefits. So you're probably talking on the other funds, not general.

[1:35:33] » I think there's a lot more than that >> based on the 5.2

[1:35:39] 5.2. >> Those numbers she doesn't think are

[1:35:43] accurate. Oh, that's right. I would prefer to do what Ann and I are

[1:35:49] doing and I just ran out of time this morning.

[1:35:52] » Yeah, I forgot that. >> I mean, we can we can go look through

[1:35:55] the budgets right now and look at those top five. Those are the big ones.

[1:36:03] » Just get a general number.

[1:36:12] » Said you had that seated, right? I did it down.

[1:36:21] Everybody take 12:35.

[1:36:51] the payroll number in here.

[1:37:17] That's over a million dollars

[1:37:22] payable and benefits. You

[1:37:24] » just want me to find out how much it was last year.

[1:37:26] » Take the base. Anybody

[1:37:35] doing 911 yet?

[1:37:39] » No.

[1:37:50] » Just give me just give me the positions, not the not

[1:37:55] » Oh, just the positions. Okay.

[1:38:01] session. this year.

[1:38:10] [laughter]

[1:38:13] » Okay, let's do it again.

[1:38:22] using the proposed budget >> 119

[1:38:26] » that was 911

[1:38:31] 1903

[1:38:36] » 911

[1:38:40] » 1222

[1:38:43] number >> 119 03 39.

[1:38:51] » I'm doing 1176. Okay.

[1:39:04] » What else do we need, guys?

[1:39:09] » 2,487,779.

[1:39:28] seated. >> So seated

[1:39:33] like the per

[1:39:37] the difference is $14,71. Now what was the original? What's the

[1:39:42] amount of wages? Oh, I just figure as a whole.

[1:39:48] » You just had that one done. >> So, we have we have what it was, you

[1:39:53] know, without any raises and then we have the two and a half%.

[1:39:56] » No, I mean 90 the total face without raises matches.

[1:40:01] » So, it's 160,968. You just take the

[1:40:07] you take the three wages here at the top and then down here that's how

[1:40:13] the wages that were moving not taking the bike or the program. So I came up

[1:40:19] with 160,960s

[1:40:31] in

[1:40:35] » I did not page >> 1236

[1:40:51] Oh, that has that other >> million3

[1:40:53] » 1,431,384.

[1:40:58] » Oh, I lied. No, that wasn't everything. Sorry.

[1:41:02] » Yeah, you don't want >> 1236. Is that what you want?

[1:41:08] » Okay. So, let's

[1:41:14] start.

[1:41:29] Correct.

[1:41:42] » Give me a new number. temper. [cough]

[1:41:46] [clears throat]

[1:41:50] You know what I need?

[1:42:28] No overtime and no part. >> Oh

[1:42:33] Express 90. >> Yeah2.

[1:42:36] » Yeah. Because we move those positions in there one

[1:42:39] » one ex

[1:42:45] one two three four positions

[1:42:56] » 1,600,460 in the EMS.

[1:43:00] » No, sorry that's >> No. Okay. 1,600,463.

[1:43:11] » Yeah, I have over time. >> Okay. So now

[1:43:15] itself [clears throat]

[1:43:40] 3 million.

[1:43:56] the decimal. Whoa.

[1:44:14] Six.

[1:44:30] It's $100,000.

[1:44:34] wage base wage increase.

[1:44:39] Add 100 to your 70. The 470 did include benefits and taxes.

[1:45:00] » There's a lot of those

[1:45:05] actually get close to another 200,000 [snorts]

[1:45:15] » become

[1:45:22] cushion. >> Yeah.

[1:46:04] So the motion is that we do a 2 and a half%

[1:46:10] wage increase. I don't need to put any specifics on it,

[1:46:15] right? Just >> I would say

[1:46:21] we set part-time and salary rent separately.

[1:46:24] » Okay. Right. True. >> So talk about full time.

[1:46:27] » Yeah. Full-time employees a 2 and a half% pay increase.

[1:46:38] my motion. I wanted to be through that

[1:46:44] again.

[1:46:47] » Thank you.

[1:46:53] » My only thing that I want to make clear is that we're doing this to base pay,

[1:47:00] right? to everybody's base pay because I know especially in the sheriff's

[1:47:05] department or their budget where they have

[1:47:09] corporals and they have things like that if you allow it to not be on the base

[1:47:14] then you cause a >> discrepancy

[1:47:18] » discrepancy a faster grow between positions so mine would be if that piece

[1:47:24] isn't in there I need to know if it's in base

[1:47:27] » it is in there as B pay yes the devotion And then the second

[1:47:44] any other discussion

[1:47:48] trying to think if there's any other clarion

[1:48:00] instructions. >> Yeah, it's just

[1:48:10] a statement.

[1:48:13] » Oh,

[1:48:17] okay. Then yeah, Lisa just brought up that include all elected officials.

[1:48:21] » Oh, that's right. >> Yeah.

[1:48:24] That was we discussed that about >> already.

[1:48:27] » We already voted on council staying at the 56,000.

[1:48:32] So that still stands. >> Clarity without council.

[1:48:35] » Thank you. >> Got that [clears throat] going.

[1:48:41] » So Ruth amended her motion to all full-time employees excluding council.

[1:48:48] » Correct. >> Yes. Yes. Newly elected

[1:48:52] » employees. >> Yeah. We make sure

[1:48:55] that we discussed that when we was talking about the sheriff's day fixing

[1:48:59] [snorts] that fixing that. >> Yeah, I knew it was going to be too

[1:49:03] simple just >> I was so afraid of that.

[1:49:08] » [laughter]

[1:49:13] » just >> so does it do do you wish for the motion

[1:49:18] to be also >> too in the surveyor too

[1:49:23] » excluding newly elected officials >> they're the only two I think we're

[1:49:28] » well the prosecutor pay isn't actually in ours

[1:49:31] » and state didn't give any raises so that position won't see anything that's not

[1:49:36] ours >> we just got we just

[1:49:40] share a balance sheet are the only two new

[1:49:45] » elected officials.

[1:49:50] » Well, you're going to have Isn't the recorder's office changing

[1:49:55] from there? >> So, she's been

[1:50:00] » Yes. No, I just meant if you were going to say no,

[1:50:04] » no increase on an elected official position, newly elected official

[1:50:10] position, it would affect that person. >> It would affect that office. What if

[1:50:14] it's somebody who's moving back in that was already I'm not saying she should or

[1:50:18] she shouldn't. I'm just saying that's another flag to deal with. If we're

[1:50:22] going to be clean, how do you want to handle it?

[1:50:27] » She's been the elected official before. That's going to happen in the clerks

[1:50:32] too, isn't that? >> Yep. And

[1:50:35] » yeah, good touch. >> So, we just have to

[1:50:39] I say new people elected position

[1:50:46] and by say new people that just limits it to the two.

[1:50:51] » So, right >> when you say new pe well

[1:50:54] » urgently elected people [laughter] >> that's good.

[1:50:59] No, wait a second. That opens up a whole new

[1:51:02] » can [laughter]

[1:51:10] experience >> first.

[1:51:17] Be the cleanest way to put it. >> Yes, that is what my motion says. That

[1:51:21] was your >> We're on the same page.

[1:51:26] » You can hold that. [laughter]

[1:51:33] first time. >> Yes.

[1:51:43] » You're really make me type a lot on the cell.

[1:51:46] » If we don't get it right, we're just back.

[1:51:48] » You're gonna go back and answer

[1:51:53] this part.

[1:51:57] that I got. >> Is there any other gray areas there that

[1:52:04] need covered? >> Think of everything you can think of.

[1:52:11] doesn't include sip just base pay

[1:52:16] » only based >> yeah

[1:52:20] nothing I can think of right now >> until we're done

[1:52:26] » there's always something

[1:52:30] » so remember we'll have some discussion about absorbing more cost if we want to

[1:52:35] do something on the parttime side as well

[1:52:40] comes to salary units in December.

[1:52:47] Okay. Any other discussion?

[1:52:52] Those raise right in your name.

[1:52:58] Four to three. Okay.

[1:53:08] Yeah.

[1:53:15] Okay, that it's not official till it's

[1:53:18] adopted.

[1:53:21] » Good work everybody. Discussion.

[1:53:29] I know that was a little we don't have to do

[1:53:34] the second

[1:53:54] answer.

[1:54:02] » [clears throat]

[1:54:06] » It's partic

[1:54:19] » that just was something I thought about writing down twice this last weekend and

[1:54:25] Um, >> it was asked to me about solid budget

[1:54:32] percent increase.

[1:54:54] » [snorts] >> It was 2.51

[1:55:00] executive% total

[1:55:08] I'm sorry

[1:55:20] eight and a half% increase.

[1:55:29] » And their budget ended up right, didn't it?

[1:55:34] » $326.

[1:55:37] » They have

[1:55:44] 8.4%

[1:55:51] income employ this is northeast district.

[1:55:55] So I mean that's not just on him right that's on all of those wages increases

[1:55:59] all the way that 22 of those

[1:56:08] how is that wage paid with the split

[1:56:14] they get their own tax rate [clears throat]

[1:56:21] other counties whether they get the or the tax rate is the same on the four

[1:56:27] of us. I don't have any idea. >> I don't believe that the tax rate is the

[1:56:33] same. >> I don't think it would because our seat

[1:56:36] is so much higher >> county

[1:56:38] » is a different number county. I don't know how they determine it.

[1:56:41] » We had that discussion last meeting. >> Right. My thought process is the total

[1:56:45] and they figure out how much is is it just divided by four and that's divided

[1:56:48] by or cv to give us I mean that's how every other rate is set is

[1:56:52] » that's right. I mean I know we approved it because

[1:56:58] you know county has it own rate based on its

[1:57:04] assess >> so each county does not share equally in

[1:57:09] that sten county pays the largest amount

[1:57:15] » I thought that's what he said yeah we're the largest not the largest population

[1:57:19] but the largest >> we look at as a You get to see his

[1:57:23] budget because we have the highest CNF. >> But you don't think it is however much

[1:57:28] it is divided by four. We each get our percentage and then divided by our CNF

[1:57:34] to give us our rate. And that's why our rates are all different.

[1:57:37] » Rates are all different because of the fact that we have such a

[1:57:42] » high assessed value. So our rate is probably much lower than anybody else's

[1:57:48] » likely >> because ours is so high.

[1:57:54] So the wage increases put in here are eight and a half% executive

[1:58:00] director, 5% on program manager, education coordinator and office manager

[1:58:06] and mechanic supervisor and then three and a half% for the operators

[1:58:13] and the parttime increase amount percentage wise.

[1:58:29] It's 2.3%.

[1:58:35] » That isn't necessarily on a wage that could be on an hour.

[1:58:46] » That was included.

[1:58:49] » Yeah, I don't think it was included any of that. I guess he comes back, right?

[1:58:54] We ask him to come back. >> So, we can ask him because Kelly said

[1:58:58] that we've been doing the three readings like we do our general other buttons.

[1:59:03] Three readings will be there. She says procedurally required to have a second

[1:59:08] third reading. It's been read but hasn't been adopted

[1:59:12] until we adopt. if we're going to have a second. We've

[1:59:17] been doing the second third before. So that would be appropriate time to ask to

[1:59:20] come back. >> I think we haven't come back to find out

[1:59:23] if they gave raises. I mean I think >> Yeah. Do we have any history on that?

[1:59:30] » Yeah. What the was there a pay increase last year?

[1:59:33] » You remember they put in last year? >> I don't think they did. I think that's

[1:59:37] why they were so high this year. >> Yeah.

[1:59:40] » They didn't put in for a pay increase last a year ago. Can you guys double

[1:59:44] check that? >> I can. I'm going to see him on Friday.

[1:59:47] » Okay. See what he says about that. They can ask

[2:00:03] » Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they just a year ago they didn't put in for a pay

[2:00:07] increase for anybody and that's why they were so

[2:00:12] » they did more this year. Let me know and we'll discuss that

[2:00:16] again. I will ask why the percentages.

[2:00:21] » Thank you. >> Yeah.

[2:00:26] » Okay.

[2:00:33] » HR. Anything else you guys need us to be

[2:00:38] discerning so that you can

[2:00:43] » I don't think would any of you guys be able to tell us if we were inside the

[2:00:49] advertised >> one issue with our advertise

[2:00:53] over advertised >> with all the changes you're over in lit

[2:00:59] » so 180,000 >> yes

[2:01:03] we got to do something at the January Yeah.

[2:01:06] » So, we just do an additional January and let self funds. Okay.

[2:01:10] » Well, so we'll have to do an additional January.

[2:01:13] » Okay. >> Okay. There's there's a couple more that

[2:01:17] we'll have to tell you, but that one we could I talked to Will this morning and

[2:01:22] he was okay with us cutting the 180,000. >> Um

[2:01:27] » that was on the special projects line. What was it called?

[2:01:30] » Yeah. >> Project ready. Um, and then they'll just

[2:01:34] come back after the first beer. It's easier to do one line to do a whole

[2:01:38] bunch of lines. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, that's still a lot

[2:01:41] better than what we've done. >> So, we'll come up with

[2:01:48] » I can let you know what the rest of them are.

[2:01:52] We're leaving it in general. >> Yeah. [clears throat]

[2:01:57] Yep. So, we'll let you know. a couple more,

[2:02:00] but >> we'll have to let you know what they are

[2:02:02] and what that dollar amount is or whether or not we have a solution.

[2:02:06] » And as a reminder, our next meeting, >> we can close this hearing out, but it is

[2:02:14] not on Tuesday, right? >> No, it's on Monday.

[2:02:18] » Monday at 9. >> Monday

[2:02:21] on Tuesday 14.

[2:02:26] Yeah.

[2:02:35] So we will have our regular council meeting and also have on the agenda

[2:02:39] discussion our budgets again do another reading

[2:02:45] ideally October [snorts] which would give your

[2:02:48] office plenty of time >> like November

[2:02:57] And um the salary ordinance won't be done until October though.

[2:03:01] » Correct. >> Okay. So should we have discussion in

[2:03:05] our September meeting about the salary ordinance?

[2:03:08] » Um I will bring to you >> I don't have a list of the exceptions

[2:03:14] for the part-time wages. That's usually what I get around for you. Now you can

[2:03:18] discuss right now what you want to set your part-time wage at and then I'll

[2:03:22] have a list of exceptions for you. I can get that around for the September

[2:03:26] meeting. There's not that many. >> I'm okay with just doing it all in

[2:03:31] September meeting. Just put enough time in the agenda. Does that date work for

[2:03:35] you guys to have time agenda? >> It does take discussion.

[2:03:40] » Yeah. No, I'm good. >> I'm good with that.

[2:03:44] » All right. So, we'll do that.

[2:03:52] If nobody can think of anything else in their stacks,

[2:03:56] I would welcome a motion to adjourn our budget sessions.

[2:04:01] I'll make a motion to adjourn the budget session. All right. Second. I'll second

[2:04:19] you all the way to your office.

Steuben County Government 9/8/26 Council Budget Session 3

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