[0:09] yeah

[0:11] warning warning welcome to our

[0:15] committee of the whole meeting

[0:17] 10/28/2020

[0:20] the agenda is before you

[0:24] moved by councillor Stapleton seconded by deputy mayor call the

[0:29] question

[0:54] what we do this cancer is gonna lose your first

[0:56] committee of the whole meeting ... you'll find that are

[0:59] lower in the chamber of the

[1:01] the world's procedure a bit more lax ... we don't

[1:05] yeah we don't necessarily have a motion first to the

[1:09] base ... and we also don't limit speaking once on

[1:13] on on the motion

[1:15] yeah so we just try to have a good discussion

[1:18] because it forms the basis for the recommendations I called

[1:21] the council meeting so it's a good opportunity for for

[1:24] us to have that conversation engaging the staff in that

[1:27] and for the public to understand the issues that we're

[1:30] dealing better so

[1:32] ... if you see that things don't work exactly the

[1:35] same as they do in the chambers that's why we

[1:37] try to try to keep it more wrap more casual

[1:40] more interactive

[1:48] so

[1:50] yeah

[1:53] carried

[1:54] J. minutes

[1:57] ... October fourteenth ... before you moved by councillor Skinner

[2:01] second by councillor Hickman call the question

[2:22] I don't have a question

[2:30] okay here we go

[2:54] councillor Korab yeah

[3:08] motions courage

[3:12] presentation delegations we happen on finance and administration insurance renewal

[3:18] negotiations

[3:21] betting or you going to speak that

[3:25] yeah

[3:27] you can step up to my concerns you can step

[3:30] up to the Mike

[3:32] she said on

[3:43] okay good morning everybody ... as you know I was

[3:46] here a week or so ago ... to go over

[3:49] the insurance renewal and find out how we would proceed

[3:53] and the coverage expires as you know on October thirty

[3:57] first at it terms of the renewal plus a new

[4:01] environmental liability insurance policy that was initially offered and reviewed

[4:05] council ... consisted of a number of coverages and ...

[4:11] was the city auto property casualty umbrella user group travel

[4:15] insurance and environmental the total premium is two million three

[4:19] oh five nine oh seven and we tax that would

[4:23] be two million five sixty one one eleven

[4:26] council agreed at our last meeting that the insurance coverage

[4:30] terms through a and B. reviewed in detail and that

[4:33] recommendations for cost savings be made realizing it would involve

[4:37] the city accepting extra risk coverages to be arranged the

[4:41] Lloyds with a casualty in excess liability coverage if the

[4:45] city accepted a self insured retention of to one fifty

[4:48] thousand the savings would be twenty six thousand five hundred

[4:52] and if the city accepted a self insured retention of

[4:55] five hundred thousand the savings would be fifty three thousand

[4:59] this insurance provides protection for third party claims the cost

[5:03] savings in my opinion is not considered sufficient and it

[5:07] is recommended that deductible of a hundred thousand be maintained

[5:12] next the Ottawa property coverage is through of eva the

[5:16] city's auto fleet cost savings if the city accepted a

[5:19] two hundred fifty thousand deductible would be fifty two thousand

[5:23] four oh two and the St John's transportation commission savings

[5:26] would be thirty four thousand nine hundred automobile coverage is

[5:30] a legislative coverage the savings offered pertains to contractor equipment

[5:35] floater rather than third party liability and is not considered

[5:39] a sufficient savings versus protection being offered and maintaining the

[5:43] current coverage and deductible is my opinion and I'm recommending

[5:47] get to city maintain its current one hundred thousand deductible

[5:52] property coverage if the city accepted a five hundred thousand

[5:55] self insured retention the savings would be to thirty eight

[5:59] eight twenty three this is considered a substantial savings and

[6:03] since just protects the city owned property the city may

[6:07] wish to accept this risk for the cost savings offered

[6:11] there's also excess property coverage offered to protect the city

[6:14] should anyone occurrence exceed a hundred million in damages the

[6:18] first access protects the city for an additional one hundred

[6:21] million for a total of two hundred million for anyone

[6:24] occurrence in examining city properties most expensive total loss that

[6:29] may occur would probably be a new with our street

[6:32] there are multiple city property city all including the parking

[6:35] garage city hall annex model one and convention center to

[6:40] toll worth of these properties combined are estimated at one

[6:43] hundred eighty two million five hundred fifty five thousand one

[6:47] eighty eight the city could consider accepting just one access

[6:51] property insurance policy with the principal property policy

[6:56] offering a total of two hundred million this would save

[6:59] the city on a sixty thousand in premium for total

[7:02] savings of three hundred ninety eight thousand eight twenty three

[7:05] plus tax it is important to note that our insurance

[7:09] broker area is more comfortable if the city maintains the

[7:12] second and the third access which would cover the city

[7:15] for three hundred and fifty million loss per occurrence

[7:20] the total savings with accepting a five hundred thousand property

[7:23] self insured retention and just one access property policy as

[7:28] I said already would be three hundred ninety eight thousand

[7:31] eight twenty three plus tax at fifty nine thousand eight

[7:35] twenty three forty five so the total would be four

[7:38] hundred fifty eight thousand six forty six forty five

[7:43] the cost for the environmental policy thirty six thousand four

[7:46] oh four plus tax for a total of forty one

[7:49] thousand eight sixty four sixty is included in the above

[7:53] pricing it was agreed at the last meeting that this

[7:55] coverage is required to maintain coverage now which has been

[7:59] excluded from the primary commercial general liability policy to tell

[8:04] of the entire insurance program previously offered was two million

[8:08] five sixty one one eleven to tell them now with

[8:11] the recommended five hundred thousand self insured property retention is

[8:15] one million nine oh seven oh eight for the taxable

[8:19] amount is one million three out to five thirty seven

[8:23] and tax is a hundred ninety five thousand three eighty

[8:26] fifty five for a total of one million four ninety

[8:29] seven nine seventeen fifty five the auto is not taxable

[8:33] so the total for auto is six hundred four thousand

[8:36] five forty seven so for full program told we're looking

[8:40] at a premium of two million one oh two four

[8:43] sixty four fifty five and as you know this include

[8:46] St John's sports and entertainment limited and the St John's

[8:49] transportation commission

[8:52] so my recommendation today to council is to approve moving

[8:57] from a one hundred thousand deductible for its primary property

[9:00] insurance to a five hundred thousand self insured retention and

[9:05] purchase just one excess property policy this would result in

[9:09] a cost savings like I already said three hundred ninety

[9:12] eight thousand eight twenty three plus tax so the total

[9:16] savings to the city would be four and fifty eight

[9:19] thousand six forty six forty five

[9:24] questions thanks very much bye

[9:27] any comments questions

[9:34] government

[9:36] thank you I have I just have a question I'm

[9:38] just trying to get some clarity around what the environmental

[9:40] policy actually covers I don't I don't really understand that

[9:43] section so just if you could just give a little

[9:46] bit more detail on what that coverage would entail

[9:49] and that's more for just general information purposes

[9:53] thank you

[10:11] okay set up property debt policy covers a

[10:15] ... locations this owner occupied and operated and managed leased

[10:20] or rented by the named insured including but not limited

[10:24] to streets roadways right of way trails and parks within

[10:27] the jurisdictional boundaries of the named insured

[10:30] and and also close transportation and disposal site

[10:35] so basically what it no I wanted to call it

[10:39] covers is ... like off site cleanup costs and defense

[10:44] costs if there is any bodily injury or property damage

[10:48] discovered because of the spill in that kind of stuff

[10:51] and pollution

[10:54] ... and ... to cover it even covers not upper

[10:58] upper covers operations like if you have to our credit

[11:01] job sites and are not own disposable sites in the

[11:05] city is brought into a lawsuit and stuff like that

[11:09] ...

[11:12] as

[11:14] like it doesnt covered up to ten years exclusions it

[11:17] doesn't cover like asbestos or that kind of stuff committed

[11:20] to CVS what is medical oceans pollution and spill or

[11:24] like a group we've got all tanks and stuff kilogram

[11:29] yeah yeah thank you very much councillor student

[11:34] thank you Mr mayor just have a two questions I

[11:37] want to ask one is just to make sure

[11:42] understanding so

[11:44] the

[11:46] more on their end

[11:49] four hundred fifty thousand dollars roughly of savings is fundamentally

[11:55] because we are only going with the one access policy

[11:59] yes that we have and that will give us two

[12:02] hundred million dollars of coverage

[12:06] ... and just bear with me while I look for

[12:09] the number here

[12:14] on the property value of one hundred eighty two million

[12:19] so we've we've estimated our property value to be a

[12:21] hundred maybe two million give or take and our coverage

[12:24] is up to two hundred million is that correct so

[12:26] what what what I mean but it is it's per

[12:29] occurrence time properly all of our properties worth over a

[12:32] billion dollars but if there should be one occurrence Hey

[12:36] it was a major and storm came in and or

[12:42] said it wasn't a better example probably be some kind

[12:44] of an explosion and starts a fire that takes over

[12:47] our street as so it's per occurrence it's not like

[12:52] if something and the next day and it wasn't related

[12:54] to that same storm then we got coverage there again

[12:58] okay yeah original so that's where I guess the number

[13:02] that I came up with now as you know and

[13:05] said they preferred that we take on the other to

[13:07] access to and I'm thinking watch day maybe taking office

[13:12] say you had does some content or can come through

[13:15] and that may not be just limited to go our

[13:17] street so do we take on the risk that

[13:21] that or can never just not going to be over

[13:24] two hundred million catches okay and my second question is

[13:28] about the ... I don't policy ... and I understand

[13:32] you rationale why you don't think it's worth us looking

[13:34] at the savings I'm just curious in terms of ...

[13:38] was there any consideration given by the insurance company and

[13:41] the ... decreased use I would assume the city would

[13:45] have on its vehicles and if that was factored

[13:48] and decrease you decrease use in terms of given called

[13:51] and stuff I I you know I see let's see

[13:53] city vehicles around ice on their less less miles being

[13:57] put on some of the vehicles I mean things like

[13:59] garbage and so on I'm sure still going on but

[14:01] there are other vehicles that I would expect parent being

[14:04] used as much I'm just I'm just wonder from amalgamation

[14:07] perspective the thousands George companies did take it into consideration

[14:11] and like some of the lower risk type like do

[14:14] your own props your own personal property insurance auto insurance

[14:19] they did start to take savings off but then they

[14:21] found out that they were ever more accidents because even

[14:24] though people were going to work they were going other

[14:27] places and their Russian hero she handled the accident rate

[14:31] was actually go to the road so

[14:33] we actually probably have more vehicles on at some points

[14:36] because we had to restrictions on how many can travel

[14:38] in a vehicle so you might have seen three pick

[14:42] ups attend to an issue rather than one as

[14:45] at certain times as an example where those insurance companies

[14:50] look at this as one off kind of circumstances right

[14:54] an overall rating they know that there could be an

[14:57] increase could be exactly try whenever possible to take into

[15:01] account all the risk management and goodness that's going on

[15:05] here in the city because right across every passing day

[15:08] everyone is very conscious and I gotta say they do

[15:12] work really well with me and we our clap at

[15:15] least to the fleet together ... you know dad the

[15:20] problem right now as I said in the last meeting

[15:22] is disco that is just created so much and hails

[15:27] forty insurance companies for business interruption and different and dangerous

[15:32] and those that do not are going to court

[15:35] so like this is a lot to do what was

[15:38] going on like I don't usually I got room to

[15:42] Aggie and I beat him to death so they does

[15:45] not sell and do something but and my room is

[15:48] pretty it's not there anymore because my arguments about their

[15:52] problems

[15:55] I'm good thank you yeah

[15:57] any further comments

[15:59] councillor Hickman that many regarding auto

[16:04] we have a fleet replacement the huge fault for that

[16:09] so I'm honored

[16:11] why would we not self insure completely if we're gonna

[16:13] replace things

[16:15] or two are we actually making that many to actually

[16:18] have that much need for insurance because we have so

[16:21] many claims every year how physical damage coverage is very

[16:25] cheap

[16:26] as the liability coverage just expensive all right and like

[16:31] we we carry fifteen million in total for our liability

[16:36] and the reason for that is

[16:38] in my opinion and like just use major bus is

[16:42] an example of one bus had some kind of a

[16:45] major catastrophe in everybody on board was seriously injured or

[16:48] killed it won't take long to eat up that money

[16:51] okay

[16:54] he further comments questions

[16:58] motion to a councillor Helen did you have anything

[17:02] also by by the end of the day thank you

[17:04] okay thanks

[17:07] we need a motion

[17:09] councillor Skinner seconded by councillor Collins

[17:13] any further comment just to let everybody know that we

[17:16] are experiencing some issues with the scribe that are or

[17:20] were correcting so if you're watching the stream and something

[17:23] happens you can see that we're aware of it more

[17:26] working through those issues here this morning

[17:31] we are part of worship

[17:33] pardon

[17:35] probably your fault you're working that's my fault as well

[17:42] big shoulders

[17:45] yes

[17:48] this this one that the insurance is time sensitive so

[17:52] we're going to do when you call on this later

[17:55] on this week because we need to have in place

[17:56] by the first November sure

[17:58] okay okay

[18:00] so call the question

[18:13] thank you

[18:16] your worship just out of curiosity have a question I'm

[18:19] the scribe today I'm seen abstain but I didn't see

[18:22] that Monday night get customization out for that hi do

[18:26] you have Stapleton is there in the case that somebody

[18:29] ... declares a conflict of interest and we have conflict

[18:32] of interest rules after rat that are laid out so

[18:36] should somebody ... declare that they're in a conflict of

[18:40] interest councillor Greece and they can abstain at some point

[18:44] in speak to from another my apologies ... the of

[18:47] steam button has been removed from the regular and we'll

[18:50] remove from this as well because you can't you don't

[18:53] have the option to me that's a decision that is

[18:56] made once you you don't provide like you claim conflicts

[19:00] and then our solicitor decides whether or not you are

[19:02] actually in a conflict so we'll remove that we moved

[19:05] from the regular it was inadvertently left on the even

[19:08] better answer

[19:20] but it has been used in a virtually before which

[19:23] cause some issues

[19:30]

[19:31] the

[19:35] well

[19:38] motions carries buttons

[19:44] so nobody you councillor for

[19:46] I

[19:49] motions carries

[19:50] public works and sustainability revisions to the winter parking restrictions

[19:58] thank you so there's a lot in this no so

[20:00] I think it might make sense to go through them

[20:02] point five are not point break arts section by section

[20:06] ... so we'll start with the first one and so

[20:09] this this there's a series of ideas in here on

[20:12] changes ... for winter parking restrictions for this Cup coming

[20:17] winter and the the overall rationale as to

[20:21] I enable better more efficient snow clearing them so the

[20:26] achieve in different ways so the first the first possibility

[20:29] to discuss and there is a revised the start date

[20:31] of the winter on street parking restrictions ... to begin

[20:36] on December first each year they're normally implemented in January

[20:40] on a

[20:41] on the TV date ... each year and ... that

[20:46] causes sat public confusion and if we get an early

[20:50] storm we either have to call the parking restriction in

[20:53] early which would then have to make sure people know

[20:55] about ... and then it still ends up being that

[20:58] vehicles are are are parked around which causes at significant

[21:02] destruction for snow clearing vehicles ... so that's that's what

[21:05] I have to say to present the idea ... and

[21:09] just ... lean on staff if they have anything to

[21:11] add an additional that before we start discussing

[21:16] so we will we take each one of those um

[21:20] independently and and discuss them I think I don't think

[21:23] they're reliant on each other actor separate issues adding it'll

[21:27] get too complex if we start to layer on top

[21:29] of yep so the first one is revising start date

[21:34] ... to December first each year currently ... we try

[21:40] ... if the weather cooperates to get to just after

[21:43] Christmas to implement

[21:46] Lynette so I just wanna add that that just add

[21:49] to audiences that ... yeah so the past ... maybe

[21:54] at a past five years I think it's been about

[21:56] four times we've had to implement this early ... and

[21:59] it does cause a bit of a scramble for staff

[22:02] and for the public as they're not a they may

[22:05] not be expecting it ... we don't have the staff

[22:08] ... normally hired to do the the ticketing or the

[22:12] monitoring and ... it means that ... snow clearing staff

[22:17] have to repeatedly go back to streets to try and

[22:20] get the snow push back to the curb ... it's

[22:23] also a scramble for communication staff to trying get a

[22:26] message of because the decision is usually made the day

[22:29] of or the day before as that weather forecast sometimes

[22:33] does does change a lot so what that's the rationale

[22:36] behind it moving it to December first the other thing

[22:39] I'd like to mention as a stated in the notice

[22:41] that the Serb municipalities surrounding us do this so it's

[22:45] it's not a ... it's it's kind of ... industry

[22:49] best practice to get ahead of this and have it

[22:52] have it be implemented before you get ... before the

[22:56] weather is calling for significance now

[22:58] any comments councillor Skinner your worship I have to

[23:04] issues I wish to raise the first is just in

[23:07] terms of ... is it a ...

[23:11] well I know it's a cost implication because we're gonna

[23:13] be bringing parking enforcement staff scene I'm just wondering as

[23:16] to some number that we've sat identified in terms of

[23:20] how much extra does this cost us my first question

[23:24] and my second one is in terms of the force

[23:26] meant of the parking ban do we show any flexibility

[23:30] now this winter maybe a different went to recall it

[23:33] but this people are celebrating Christmas and some as part

[23:36] of the house there's no snow do we still go

[23:39] up and take it or is twenty flexibility around this

[23:41] we have this as I said earlier we we have

[23:44] in the past not put it in place so ...

[23:49] deputy city manager of public works has has latitude to

[23:52] put in place if the system more if the situation

[23:55] warrants right

[23:57] so what we've done is we haven't done is on

[24:00] this was now as has been done unless it was

[24:02] necessary

[24:03] ... we can bring in the in December first means

[24:07] that from different December first down the parking bans in

[24:10] place so that would apply over Christmas as well

[24:13]

[24:15] I think that's that that's part of it in terms

[24:19] of the cost there's I don't know what the cost

[24:22] will be Mr senior women

[24:27] there will there will be a revenue offset from a

[24:30] to B. because there's tickets being issued for

[24:34] so ... I'll just finish up by saying that I

[24:36] think from from a public perception perspective ... I suspect

[24:41] there will be a lot of people who with we

[24:43] do have a Louise December ... number of us around

[24:47] this table would be getting lots of calls you know

[24:49] the parking enforcement ... police would be out and you

[24:54] know my

[24:55] recollection is that that's still very negatively by the public

[24:59] seem to be sort of a cash grab our tax

[25:02] grab when were enforcing something that doesn't need to be

[25:05] enforced so I just raise it as a as an

[25:08] issue yeah here in the chamber my experience is that

[25:11] if we have snow it's okay if there's no snow

[25:15] on the ground and you can park on the street

[25:17] and it's not okay and over the past number of

[25:20] years when I first came on council there was a

[25:22] lot of complaints about this ... as in the last

[25:26] couple of years it's gotten better because people have begun

[25:30] to understand the system and that's why I'm reluctant to

[25:33] change the system because the one we have now although

[25:35] it has challenges to

[25:37] thurs sat it's it's changing something that I think the

[25:41] public has accustomed itself to ... but I understand the

[25:46] reason for doing that too so it's a it's a

[25:48] balance that you're trying to find her deputy mayor

[25:51] yeah I would kind of liken it to playing a

[25:53] game of whack a mole Leslie and because the it's

[25:56] it's about consistency and I think what folks from my

[26:00] vantage point honestly communications is really they the key factor

[26:04] here and I know that our communications department certainly scramble

[26:07] to try to get that message out but not everybody

[26:10] is tuned in on a daily basis and so what

[26:12] does week a lot of havoc when we have these

[26:15] inconsistencies ... so you know I I have a general

[26:19] tendency to you know nail it down I understand that

[26:22] they're going to be good days and bad days but

[26:24] we are not and meteorologists and and we just need

[26:28] to have a consistent plan to ensure that the public

[26:31] know what to expect and then so that's it you

[26:35] know that's that's my basic concern is making sure that

[26:37] everybody understands that the public is fully aware and that's

[26:41] a real challenge for communications department so I see the

[26:44] I see the intent thank you

[26:48] your worship

[26:49] and just second councillor Hickman then you councillor animal let

[26:53] me see what

[26:54] semi solo what I feel about this no no

[27:00] this is really important especially this winter people need to

[27:03] get together in our small groups and you know Christmas

[27:07] is going to be the last chance for them to

[27:09] do that really I would suggest a suspect

[27:12] over the winter and unless we had a surprise have

[27:16] a surprise strongly we had last year on Christmas Eve

[27:20] you know quite often we get through Christmas and quite

[27:24] easily with just another a modicum modest amount of plowing

[27:27] eccentric and all this and allows people to get together

[27:30] is good for people's mental health you know to see

[27:32] their family and close friends already concerned about that this

[27:35] year this is not what you're doing me considering this

[27:38] and understand you know if it's easier for us but

[27:43] we're not about us no it's about the people city

[27:46] and are reading and you know that everybody that everybody

[27:50] drinks are really when they go out one person would

[27:52] probably drive or at a Christmas party ... from the

[27:54] twentieth of December until seconder so January and I really

[27:58] feel for those people and I think it's really important

[28:02] I I say I would like to see status quo

[28:06] the government

[28:08] councillor

[28:10] all cancer sorry about that councillor

[28:13] well don't worry that I'm on the same lines as

[28:16] councillor Hickman I can't see implemented this in December your

[28:19] worship back in it's going to be a special card

[28:22] for all of us ... this year give independently giving

[28:26] the small group of people than whatever given that we're

[28:29] going to do I'd like to see that goes on

[28:31] the attack very witcher I think that December because stressed

[28:35] for people and there's a lot of times we don't

[28:37] know the communications factor mean we're used to this is

[28:41] the way the dog for a long time so I

[28:44] think the public is aware that there may be a

[28:46] stormy they may have to get her at her about

[28:49] the road well maybe more concentration around that the ...

[28:54] communication piece but being living in that area being bored

[28:59] councillor and councillor at large I would not recommend changing

[29:03] this definitely not put his number first with respect to

[29:06] connect with there's no snow on the ground we all

[29:09] know that we get severity that

[29:12] because it's about the people that that that I don't

[29:16] even know what we're looking for specific parts of town

[29:19] I think we're gonna be rebuilding at that at the

[29:22] whole thank you

[29:24] okay so just just to be clear this number one

[29:27] applies outside the downtown not not the not the downtown

[29:31] downtowns number two

[29:33] but ... yeah yes it was likely that you're referring

[29:37] to the area outside downtown as well thank

[29:40] councillor court

[29:43] thank you worship ... I'm on the fence with this

[29:46] but I'm certainly leaning towards not bring that in the

[29:48] summer don't throw any I mean that

[29:53] that's what these things are here now so she can't

[29:54] does that mean ... quick couple quick points when is

[29:58] the city guide to city guide would be gone out

[30:01] for this time of year till Christmas my right around

[30:04] that is to council leader should know but

[30:06] so

[30:08] so there's another

[30:10] thank god goes out at the end of November okay

[30:15] as for okay so

[30:17] it would go the independent of amber and that's assuming

[30:20] people seen it for December first so that timing could

[30:23] be looking at right now thanks ... I mean your

[30:26] communications our understanding be scrambling but they're sent out the

[30:29] same message they would send out for the last five

[30:32] years changing the date so I don't think that's too

[30:34] onerous on them obviously I just think to the city

[30:37] alerts that we have through email through people sign up

[30:40] for the alerts on our phones and what not along

[30:43] with councillors Facebook groups the community groups I know I'm

[30:47] in about a dozen you're not gonna reach everybody I

[30:50] understand that but I think as we've been on this

[30:52] ... remember years people are Startin and they do know

[30:55] that once was a snowstorm in December that they can

[30:58] park on the street obviously it will be a few

[31:00] that will be able to reach be reached but I

[31:02] don't know I don't bring the same kind of what

[31:05] councillor Hickman said about you know the Christmas time coming

[31:07] in there and

[31:08] not a you know if you've got a single car

[31:10] driveway a couple double car driveway you're essentially saying people

[31:13] can't come visit or they can visit the waiting only

[31:15] one so I don't on the fence but I'm certainly

[31:17] leaning towards ...

[31:19] keep it on for January 1

[31:24] thank you I am I am leaning towards moving into

[31:27] the summer first and the reasons for that being

[31:32] ... I know there'd be a level of additional pain

[31:36] if we don't get a snow storm in December ...

[31:41] and the rules still in place but four of the

[31:43] past five seasons we've actually still brought in earlier

[31:47] and then January so does if you look at the

[31:51] last five seasons eighty does natives a chance going to

[31:53] be put in place anyway for that same period of

[31:56] time ... so to me this

[32:00] because of because there's a significant chance rendering it anyways

[32:04] ... and it is a real problem when there's many

[32:07] vehicles parked on streets we get

[32:10] I suggest we get as many concerns about the supply

[32:13] was having to weave around in doing at any ...

[32:17] subpar job having to return into a clearing we get

[32:20] as many concerns complaints but that as we will about

[32:23] the pain of of that have an additional parking role

[32:26] earlier in the year and I think the the the

[32:29] balance I would like to see better snow clearing those

[32:32] cases and especially since odds are we have an eighty

[32:35] percent chance putting in place early in any case

[32:39] ... I think it's it's much easier to put tap

[32:41] consistent rules in place for so that people can understand

[32:45] what rules are in place and what how they can

[32:47] behave and I think

[32:49] odds are Christmas parties are going to be smaller this

[32:51] year anyway so that there'd be a less of a

[32:54] demand again that's a that's what sort of got call

[32:56] on my own observations ...

[33:01] that's right so that's that's a that's where I'm leaning

[33:03] I think I think the balance is is to the

[33:06] benefit and considering where you we do it most years

[33:08] in any case ... and maybe I guess Christmas might

[33:12] be the the

[33:14] that holiday season it might be the main pain point

[33:16] but I'm wondering if there's a as an interesting compromise

[33:19] of the fifteenth of December so there's a bit of

[33:21] extra time ... in there ... so that might that

[33:25] might help them get rid of some concerns

[33:28] I think the whole discussion here seems to be around

[33:31] consistency and I think that's my point would be inconsistent

[33:34] with being consistent over the past number of years and

[33:37] I think that the public understands our system and our

[33:40] system is is that we will if we need the

[33:43] parking ban before ... the ... date January comes around

[33:48] then we will issue a notice that because of the

[33:51] snow on the ground which which you can see is

[33:54] it is a visual ... enforcement that we need to

[33:57] put the parking ban in place ... and I can

[34:00] guarantee if we move December first we won't have snow

[34:03] in December sold may work may be worth it they

[34:07] well as a I think if if consistency is what

[34:11] we're looking for that's why we've gotten in the past

[34:14] couple of years we've we we should continue to work

[34:16] on that consistent message that we're gonna try to keep

[34:20] the parking ban off till January but if the situation

[34:24] warrants that we do is we'll have to do it

[34:26] quickly and I think that's a communication message we should

[34:29] reinforce my opinion so I'll be supporting status quo as

[34:33] well

[34:34] councillor statement yeah I'm hoping to because most of the

[34:38] emails thanks in that that I got last Christmas was

[34:42] Christmas season and people come in and family's company Informatica

[34:47] L. and have no where to park and it's

[34:51] you know it's Christmas season people need especially this year

[34:55] they need to did they need to contact and they

[34:58] need to family so I won't be so ... sports

[35:01] changed to December first I'm as we go for you

[35:04] know every year around the fourth of January that we

[35:08] change it you know is that our December first and

[35:11] even then it if so happen the

[35:14] we need to put a name we can but I

[35:16] would prefer a set date for January

[35:19] in December as a coach general don't

[35:23] yes your worship other gods or January dunking when we

[35:27] don't putting American band is there any way you'd like

[35:31] to we can give the public a week's notice like

[35:34] given a warning ticket or something because of that when

[35:37] you bring an end and there are a lot of

[35:40] people get to take reporter realizes that scene so if

[35:43] you put into practice you know you should give give

[35:46] people a week and that good morning taken and then

[35:49] after a week of say or recommends you know what

[35:52] that is anymore you know because let me get stone

[35:55] a ticket and they don't realize the disease you know

[35:58] I think that's the challenge with the whole thing is

[36:00] that these there's storms give you little little notice of

[36:04] when they're when they're coming so it has and it

[36:06] happens quickly act to lack to do that so that's

[36:10] why that's the challenge with this if this was something

[36:12] that you could have that you could say okay in

[36:15] two weeks time are going to have a

[36:18] at an event that we're going to need to bring

[36:20] parking I mean that would be different but it's usually

[36:23] a twenty four hour to forty eight hours ... at

[36:26] issue and this some people will get caught and that's

[36:30] and that's that's the balance that we have to find

[36:32] in this

[36:35] deputy mayor

[36:37] I have no certainly after hearing to some of you

[36:39] point say I I certainly do agree that the consistency

[36:42] is certainly has been has been if you know in

[36:46] place

[36:48] the one thing that I would caution is that you

[36:50] know we're not in normal times there isn't it nothing

[36:52] consistent right now we're in the middle of a pandemic

[36:55] and I certainly would caution that we should be a

[36:58] strong voice to encourage and continued S. safety precautions as

[37:04] we interest Christmas season the last thing that any of

[37:07] us wants to see is that ... another wave and

[37:11] happen and over the Christmas season when people of course

[37:15] you know ... ... in their festivities they may have

[37:18] a drink they may forget to you know that would

[37:20] you know the here and then the now with a

[37:22] pandemic so I think that you know it's all of

[37:25] us can put on that cap of knowing that as

[37:27] much as we obviously want to see our families and

[37:31] we do have our bubbles ... I think it's an

[37:34] important reminder for us all to continue sending out that

[37:37] message of safety around that secret round that season in

[37:40] that time frame that because we're not living in consistent

[37:43] or normal times right now but I do take the

[37:46] comments or any of my colleagues here today ... the

[37:49] guarding the practices that I've certainly happened over the past

[37:51] couple years how that sound unveils and it so well

[37:55] yeah I'm willing to keep reconsider thank you

[37:59] did you have come

[38:02] okay

[38:04] so if someone wishes to make a motion councillor Perot

[38:08] did you wanna

[38:10] make a motion hang up I make a motion it'll

[38:12] be a feeling motion so might be someone better for

[38:15] someone else to answer it gone it's like he's going

[38:17] to make a motion

[38:22] K. C. start of the

[38:26] seconded by councillor Stapleton

[38:29] any further comment

[38:33] call the question

[39:30] so everybody have the

[39:37] motions carries 8 to one

[39:40] your

[39:42]

[39:44] seconds

[39:47] extend the over nice

[39:49] irking banners outside the downtown

[39:55] M. so they says sorry

[39:59] I can later okay

[40:01] go ahead so this is and this will be a

[40:04] temporary twenty four hour parking restriction and so in this

[40:08] case parking will not be permitted on any street outside

[40:10] the downtown and a business just a district during a

[40:12] storm and for the twenty four hours thereafter so

[40:17] ... it would be enforced upon a declaration by the

[40:20] the DCM a public works when operationally required

[40:24] and so what it what it would enable is or

[40:27] what it would want would be is so

[40:30] ... right now we have correct me if I'm incorrect

[40:34] in laying this out so right now we have a

[40:35] night time parking ban ... as of one is declared

[40:40] or early January as we just decided

[40:44] ... that's during the night time this would do it

[40:48] ... have tension in the daytime as well because it

[40:51] triggers while it's snowing for significant storm and for twenty

[40:55] four hours thereafter so that it gives snow clearing crews

[40:59] the opportunity of of staff open streets to clear snow

[41:03] that makes sense yeah so it's so it's on the

[41:05] vent basis if if there's a situation in which the

[41:08] deputy city manager of sector needs to be a banner

[41:12] parking during the daytime hours yeah then they can do

[41:15] that yeah deputy city manager yeah so just expand on

[41:19] the ins explanation there would which was accurate so basically

[41:23] and this is this is industry best practices well so

[41:26] any time there is any event ... we would add

[41:31] advertised that the there's going to be a twenty four

[41:34] hour parking ban in effect for areas outside the downtown

[41:36] supposed to places that have the overnight parking ban and

[41:40] we would extend it for a twenty four hour period

[41:43] after and this coincides with our service timelines and it

[41:48] would ... enable snow clearing crews to more efficiently clear

[41:52] we make sure we get to push back to the

[41:54] curb a lot master it would eliminate multiple runs which

[41:59] is a complaint we sometimes get right you came up

[42:01] our street you didn't cleared effectively you have to come

[42:03] back ... so some people complain that we're not there

[42:06] enough some people complain that we're there too much this

[42:08] will help us be more efficient in our operations to

[42:11] achieve a final push back within twenty four hour period

[42:14] what occurs ... impeding operations

[42:18] all right I think that's a good idea I think

[42:20] if I think it's a good idea that our staff

[42:23] have that ability indeed when it's warranted to be able

[42:26] to do that no problems supporting them

[42:30] councillor Hickman yeah I just wanna make clear more support

[42:33] for this command is winter for her progressive thinking on

[42:38] this and you know what happened during a pandemic of

[42:40] it was brilliant that was great move and keep everybody

[42:43] else trees when needed again communications is deputy mayor mentioned

[42:47] will be key on this but even against most of

[42:50] the people lazy most people will be huge health so

[42:54] well done this winter

[42:59] councillor Skinner your worship I just I have a couple

[43:02] questions one is the ... trigger tennis is I see

[43:05] it is five centimeters ... and I'm just wonder do

[43:08] we have any idea as to how often in the

[43:10] past we've had five centimeters is this something that would

[43:13] be you know once the line is there something that

[43:15] happens twice a week three times a week do we

[43:18] have any ideas to that

[43:22] sorry

[43:24] basically the intent is this is anytime there's any significant

[43:28] or watching use were significant like to five centimeters as

[43:31] a guideline if we have to do plowing operations work

[43:34] the intent is to ... implement this so if you

[43:37] know if we need to send out ... cruised to

[43:40] do it we would want to do this is and

[43:42] the intent is to improve efficiencies

[43:46] so so we're gonna do is not based on five

[43:49] centimeters when I'm there and I don't know where to

[43:51] five centimeters sense and nonsense five so

[43:55] I read it my understanding was yeah

[43:58] the intent is is that it will we didn't want

[44:01] to get into a specific number to add to be

[44:05] advertising to the residents as it will cause confusion and

[44:08] also then the ... and Cheryl may be able to

[44:12] speak to this better but in discussions with the legal

[44:14] department it would cause confusion and then people would potentially

[44:17] be able to contest any tickets that they received and

[44:20] you will be able to argue over the fact of

[44:21] what a five centimeter spell what forecast you were looking

[44:24] at environment Canada's if five maybe a mix it's something

[44:27] different and it could cause a lot of confusion so

[44:30] the way we would ... I guess inform residents about

[44:34] that is we will make an announcement and we don't

[44:36] want to tie it to any amount but I can't

[44:38] say that it is the the ... we want to

[44:42] call it any time we have to plow so five

[44:44] centimeters and up would be a good base that you

[44:46] would do would use

[44:49] I thank you in my second point is when we

[44:52] talk about plowing or clearing an area outside of the

[44:56] downtown we're looking at restricting on street parking for twenty

[45:00] thought twenty four hours after you to clear it my

[45:03] question is how long does it take for the routes

[45:05] to be cleared

[45:09] our service timeline right now is ... we guarantee one

[45:13] cut within twelve hours and full widening down within twenty

[45:16] four so we sync that up to line up with

[45:19] our current timelines

[45:22] councillor for this one at a point of that it's

[45:24] it's twenty four hours after the end of the storm

[45:27] route twenty four hours from the point of decoration so

[45:29] if the storm lasted for thirty six hours it will

[45:31] be during those thirty six hours plus the twenty four

[45:33] hours following because the service standard ... timeline kicks in

[45:37] by the end of the store

[45:39] just wanna clarify that because already a little bit differently

[45:42] the five centimeters is kind of the the trigger where

[45:45] you have the option to do

[45:48] but it's not

[45:50] given that at five centimeters that you would put this

[45:55] in place as a

[45:58] no I guess it to be an operational decision it

[46:00] would be a it would be a council decision it

[46:02] would be an operational decision right and I mean the

[46:05] reality is here in St John's ... I don't see

[46:08] very many five centimeters that's right I means ... yeah

[46:11] right is generally about ten so you know anytime that

[46:14] we're getting full crews to go out and do it

[46:15] that's the intent that we would do it is not

[46:17] a forget a few flurries overnight that's not the intent

[46:20] right if the intent is anytime we're getting a system

[46:22] coming through St John's that we need to do we

[46:24] in full operational

[46:28] it works yes councillor Hanlon

[46:31] yeah I would probably agree with what and I have

[46:34] a problem well they didn't I think the plan and

[46:39] if you do that very realistic given out rather than

[46:42] harassment but before I would be more respectable Robert voted

[46:45] yes for this war thank you

[46:49] deputy mayor

[46:51] thank you Mr mayor yeah no I agree I think

[46:53] that this is excellent because obviously it gives start the

[46:56] staff and and you know an extra bit of time

[46:59] of course to do proper cleaning so I guess my

[47:01] question is we do you M. and for the city

[47:04] management deputy city manager ... did you see that this

[47:08] could have any positive ramifications over the sidewalk snow clearing

[47:12] issue I'm just wondering because of course this is going

[47:15] to help

[47:17] ... in terms of the cleaning for the streets after

[47:20] storm but does it have any impact whatsoever on sidewalks

[47:24] thank you

[47:28] I mean any time if ... if cars are parked

[47:32] on the street it then there's ... you know there

[47:35] is there it is easier to clear sidewalks as well

[47:38] because you're not in the areas outside of the downtown

[47:42] you know we're we're this would be implemented I'm just

[47:45] because you're you're not concerned about heating the cars right

[47:47] you got a little bit more ... space to to

[47:50] operate ... but overall it's mainly a ... street it's

[47:56] it prevents a multiple

[47:59] about runs through areas yeah exactly you're we even in

[48:03] and around the cars and then you have to come

[48:04] back and try and pick a time when the cars

[48:07] aren't there in order to clear out the snow this

[48:09] left yeah so it eliminates that it's it's similar to

[48:13] the ... to the bad downtown business tricks district one

[48:16] more from four to six you're not allowed to park

[48:18] there and that gives so then from four to six

[48:20] we make sure operators are in the downtown area to

[48:23] push back to snow there to parking spaces so this

[48:25] is what this does in the rest of the city

[48:28] but it it's it's in our normal operations if that

[48:30] makes sense some cases it may cut down on the

[48:33] filling in of the sidewalks because the plows come through

[48:36] there twice instead of three times if they can get

[48:38] it done then it might prevent that part

[48:43] yeah so that was exactly what I was kind of

[48:45] yeah I could go on for here that there may

[48:48] be slight improvements as a result of that council front

[48:50] you have a

[48:52] great minds think alike

[48:54] fools seldom differ

[48:59] councillor Collins

[49:02] issuers are allowing go around it should not

[49:05] ... the global gift for but I think we should

[49:09] revisit revisited they around you know but we have a

[49:12] to the winter and CEO Cialis works because you know

[49:16] it the problem's going your street and it's clear you

[49:19] know you you feel like you got it cracked or

[49:22] you don't mean to like I I can see just

[49:24] a lot of people get tickets you know so I

[49:27] don't know I agree with that now but I think

[49:29] we should revisit after see how much of a backlash

[49:32] we get you know

[49:34] look at it after a few storms out of work

[49:36] so good I keep saying you know we're so good

[49:38] relievers but if not we can that okay the real

[49:43] the real test of a B. you know how it

[49:46] affects the operations of you know over

[49:51] yep and you know that will be that will be

[49:54] to test them I also have trusted the staff that

[49:57] we were going to use their discretion or just

[50:00] yeah yeah I go alone but if I may bring

[50:03] it up in the middle of winter I'm I'm sure

[50:05] you will councillor Collins

[50:07] councillor Korab yeah this is the point you made your

[50:10] worship I was gonna say is that you know are

[50:12] forced to take enforcement officers have the discretion so if

[50:16] it's a street that you're technically not allowed to park

[50:18] on but we're clear back to the curb and let's

[50:20] face it the plow will be should be and will

[50:21] be by again you know that's a communication them to

[50:24] have some leniency so I think that's something we can

[50:27] do it could cause some confusion obviously one day you

[50:29] didn't get a ticket then the next week you did

[50:32] get a ticket because a small so it can keep

[50:34] using but I guess is the point of it that

[50:35] are taking office and have some discretion

[50:38] not ticket if necessary during the day when people are

[50:41] going to work in and and cursor error error out

[50:46] of the out of the area and on my street

[50:48] which is pretty typical city street outside the downtown and

[50:53] there's very few cars parked on the street during the

[50:55] daytime I think other people are living councillor Hickman councillor

[50:59] Skinner that would say the same you know and you

[51:02] know it's not a it's not a huge issue and

[51:05] if if you can improve by by encouraging that day

[51:09] and ... I think it's a good use ... who's

[51:13] next Sir councillor quicker councillor Korab brings up a good

[51:17] point about discretion

[51:20] I was told many times over the years about that

[51:23] when there was no snow on the ground during January

[51:25] or February now and then that there is no discretion

[51:28] tickets are given out and ... wondered if ... we

[51:33] have a comment on that city solicitor

[51:42] is there an option to say no here we go

[51:44] ... ... I guess I just purpose my comments I'm

[51:47] always where you talk about important procedures in a public

[51:50] meeting as it tends to be legal advice given

[51:53] the council ... but I will tell you as a

[51:56] general proposition that all officers when assessing the situation deciding

[52:00] on whether to issue a ticket have discretion ... to

[52:04] look at all the circumstances and determine whether there is

[52:06] a violation that is appropriate ... for ticket to be

[52:09] issued

[52:12] next question

[52:16] when an ad England and had a comment there before

[52:20] well I do I just wanna make sure that we're

[52:22] clear that ... this is the this pointer this thing

[52:27] or this twenty four hour parking ban would apply whenever

[52:32] it was declared operationally so that could mean if we

[52:34] get a snowstorm next week it comes into effect actually

[52:38] right and so it also takes into account December so

[52:41] last last Christmas for example you know it started to

[52:44] snow on Christmas Eve it didn't stop till sometime in

[52:47] March

[52:49] alright so if there is a potential for when we

[52:51] get back to back storms that these compounds and I

[52:53] just want to make sure that that's understood I think

[52:56] everybody understands that I I think we we I think

[53:00] we're trying to find a balance here between operationally being

[53:03] able to keep the city moving and ... you know

[53:08] but at the same time if the need is not

[53:11] there being able to keep things moving moving as well

[53:16] not being ... over overbearing on the whole thing so

[53:20] I I think finding the striking that balance is a

[53:23] challenge but it's one that we need to do our

[53:25] best to strike

[53:28] councillor for a

[53:29] as one other piece to to consider within this that

[53:32] so I had a several conversations leading up to this

[53:34] moment I thank businesspeople one one of the titular was

[53:38] with the contractor so in a few neighborhoods there's significant

[53:41] developments ... and in camera terrace or significant structure and

[53:44] happening and and a twenty four hour ... restriction could

[53:47] be quite significant for them ... so it's something well

[53:51] I think all they'll be difficult to put exceptions in

[53:54] place but it's something we'll have to keep an eye

[53:56] to as we go forward on whether it's ... too

[53:59] big of a pain in those areas or maybe it's

[54:01] the fourth when officers providing some discretion in the way

[54:04] if there's a house under construction in the area ...

[54:06] just something to honor in relation to this

[54:11] any further comment

[54:15] so the council for any making that motion the second

[54:28] sort of

[54:29] drumlins up you know from

[54:32] yeah

[54:46] let's hope we never have to use any of those

[54:49] parking pass ...

[55:09] also

[55:16] a source

[55:18] motion's carried 9 to 0

[55:22] number three councillor for out thank you M. downtown winter

[55:27] parking restrictions on this one

[55:30] excuse me so downtown winter parking restrictions only utilized on

[55:34] the street is scheduled for snow removal operations and the

[55:36] restrictions in effect twelve thirty AM to seven thirty AM

[55:40] currently at the city's so that's the parking restriction the

[55:44] city snow removal operations actually begin at ten eleven PM

[55:48] and because of that our to have window ... vehicles

[55:51] are often still parked on the street ... so crews

[55:54] find that also find the traffic calming traffic volume sorry

[55:58] is increasing earlier in the morning and it is best

[56:00] to reopen the streets the traffic earlier than seven thirty

[56:03] AM so the proposal is after the downtown I wonder

[56:07] parking restriction ... from eleven PM to six AM instead

[56:11] of twelve thirty AM to seven thirty six and speak

[56:17] oh sorry your worship all just think of the amount

[56:19] of money and I do live chat with her but

[56:21] I think this is the one the claimed the prostration

[56:24] many people within the previous hours I think this will

[56:27] be a lot about the conflict answer Martin I think

[56:30] it worked very well with my command staff for clinical

[56:33] thank you thank you councillor Hanlon deputy mayor

[56:38] yeah no I I agree I think that this is

[56:39] a smart way and I think this is true continuous

[56:42] improvement to an action because we do see a number

[56:45] of people in the downtown core oftentimes working out you'll

[56:49] see a lot of people who access said the gyms

[56:52] and things like that that are in the downtown core

[56:53] and as well ... anybody who like the businesses at

[56:57] that point in time or shut down and and with

[57:00] the exception of some late night activities and those activities

[57:03] are usually involving alcohol and they're you know they're vampires

[57:09] and things like that so went the driving aspect shouldn't

[57:11] shouldn't even actually be a factor at that point in

[57:13] time and so I think that this is a great

[57:16] way to clean it up and to enable our crews

[57:19] to do work better job certain streets of thank you

[57:22] Lynn and to you and staff councillor Korab I'm certainly

[57:25] in favor of it but I do not like making

[57:27] any decisions about downtown unless we talk to downtown people

[57:31] the adept downtown Saint John we had any communication with

[57:34] them about this or run this by

[57:36] at this this should be in the residential

[57:40] of the downtown now now waters not the commercial area

[57:44] hi retract my comment

[57:49] it it would also include the data but it's only

[57:52] when we do removals right it's not it's not a

[57:55] parking ban I don't know I don't know that yeah

[57:57] I guess that answers I guess what I'm into this

[58:00] is that it it applies more to the areas that

[58:04] are not included in the outside the downtown my comments

[58:07] back on that so do we talk to take jobs

[58:09] but this

[58:11] and we we didn't but we can I I don't

[58:13] anticipate an issue yeah I'm fine

[58:16] zdummyz.

[58:17] your worship above the border downtown Johnson this is something

[58:20] they would welcome this is something we talked about before

[58:23] so in in I don't know and then and then

[58:26] reach out to directly but we've had discovered before that

[58:29] we want in the past so this is something that

[58:32] would be welcome because exactly at the deputy mayor said

[58:35] his business partner of operating a current with the bad

[58:38] would be on this one that will be the exam

[58:40] there's no good we we we couldn't really understand them

[58:44] ... and the diversity of it will be point will

[58:47] be yeah therefore backbone for snow removal and you know

[58:53] for the winter motel and in the business area because

[58:56] understand that there was a lot more

[58:58] that will dollars between the two ... people sex workers

[59:02] as we move of of of of garbage it is

[59:06] a delivery call happened at all heard so this will

[59:08] be about the bill was up

[59:10] and I will get you a quote for to them

[59:12] work really in a formal and informal

[59:16] okay thank you councillor Hanlon and as well the forty

[59:19] six the ... that bad still remains in fact right

[59:24] so every night the cars have to be off the

[59:26] street by four in the morning every night

[59:29] anyway you know to meet ... soul all of them

[59:34] all work work together

[59:36] councillor Hickman so this was withdrawn employees for those streets

[59:42] are designated for that night you know with the sticks

[59:44] in the banks normally

[59:46] yeah

[59:47] right now all it's wanna command was with her once

[59:49] again her very progressive the

[59:52] the idea here thank

[59:56] councillor for hours just want to know that if we

[59:58] proceed with this and it sounds like we are ...

[1:00:00] I need full probably required as well the notes in

[1:00:02] here in the note that that to meet the deadline

[1:00:05] for the winter print winter edition of the city guide

[1:00:08] and has to be made by the second of November

[1:00:12] okay

[1:00:14] any further comments moved by councillor for road seconded by

[1:00:18] councillor Hanlon

[1:00:22] yes your worship call the question

[1:00:43] motions carrot

[1:00:45] he sidewalk snow clearing

[1:00:55] 18 ms Windsor goes

[1:00:59] all of frame M. so this is Amy and

[1:01:05] a decision no I was an information as well ...

[1:01:09] on that motion passed by council a few weeks back

[1:01:12] ... regarding sidewalk snow clearing so that addresses several of

[1:01:15] those particular points and so as a reminder we we

[1:01:20] discussed ... this no provide some I I option for

[1:01:23] direction to reprioritize the existing sidewalk sidewalk routes ... it

[1:01:29] speaks to the training and supervision supervision within the sidewalk

[1:01:34] snow clearing system and approach

[1:01:37] and speaks to that piece of the motion that to

[1:01:40] her call for a conversation on house roads are prioritize

[1:01:44] things like free up resources so it's a lot of

[1:01:46] content in here I think it again makes sense to

[1:01:48] do it section by section as we just have the

[1:01:51] previous conversation because so many layers to it ...

[1:01:55] so what we'll do the the first one first and

[1:01:58] so the the proposition is in the note and actually

[1:02:03] allow staff to look through it because I I don't

[1:02:06] wanna trip up on it ... but it's basically recognizing

[1:02:09] that there's a fixed amount of resources to deliver on

[1:02:11] sidewalk snow clearing and this is an option of re

[1:02:14] prioritizing ... some of those sidewalks that we cleared so

[1:02:19] that there's a readjustment because we have we have too

[1:02:23] many priority ones to get through the party once in

[1:02:25] a ride in a reliable timelines of the public and

[1:02:27] doesn't have a have a route that they can rely

[1:02:30] on getting around ...

[1:02:33] and ... yeah so that's those are different points on

[1:02:36] all head over to staff to to go through the

[1:02:39] details of that

[1:02:42] okay yes so to expand on that so ... some

[1:02:46] of the feedback we received in the public engagement ...

[1:02:49] that we did on sidewalk snow clearing after the winter

[1:02:51] of course was even though certain ... sections of routes

[1:02:56] were priority one it still took a long time to

[1:02:58] get a clear ... and this is something that we

[1:03:01] we've been been aware of ... that we had too

[1:03:04] many priority one so you know if your whole system

[1:03:06] is a priority one and effectively nothing is a priority

[1:03:09] one so we have gone through all the sidewalk groups

[1:03:14] and effectively we've taken a so one side of streets

[1:03:18] will remain priority one but the second site instead of

[1:03:22] having two sides of the same street being a priority

[1:03:25] ones in order to ... to be able to get

[1:03:29] more streets more sidewalks cleared will only do one side

[1:03:34] so the first side of arterial roads ... and the

[1:03:39] downtown

[1:03:41] at this downtown business district would stay a priority one

[1:03:45] your schools would effectively be a higher priority to one

[1:03:48] so we just got them call priority one eight so

[1:03:51] that would be all your schools owns us the first

[1:03:53] first thing we do ... priority to would now be

[1:03:58] your second side of your multi lane arterial roads and

[1:04:02] the downtown business district and first side of collectors in

[1:04:06] your priority three would be the second side of any

[1:04:09] remaining arterial roads that have both sides service and and

[1:04:14] we have very few private priority force but basically be

[1:04:17] the second side of ... collector streets so effectively we

[1:04:22] won't be to priority we won't have priority one and

[1:04:25] two sides of the streets we would focus on one

[1:04:28] and we've arranged it in a fashion so that you

[1:04:31] have a whip ups clear sidewalks going through the city

[1:04:34] so it would enable pedestrians get from you know whatever

[1:04:37] to point a to point B. is more effectively you

[1:04:39] know instead of spending too time due to sides of

[1:04:42] one area we've moved on and now we're doing when

[1:04:45] we no it's a longer stretch of a priority one

[1:04:48] thing that makes sense

[1:04:54] deputy mayor

[1:05:01] sorry

[1:05:02] the thanks very much Leanne and I think that that

[1:05:06] and you know from my understanding of what's being presented

[1:05:08] here now that that really would make an improvement ...

[1:05:12] it again it seems to

[1:05:15] help clean up a little bit about can activity ...

[1:05:18] which of course is the ongoing issue when we talk

[1:05:21] about any any plan and set them mobility or transportation

[1:05:25] in the city so I think that this certainly sounds

[1:05:28] like a move in the right direction and the Garcia

[1:05:32] sidewalks because we just want to ensure that people once

[1:05:35] they get on a sidewalk or going to suddenly come

[1:05:38] to a barrier and then you know be forced out

[1:05:41] into the road and so I I know that it's

[1:05:44] probably and not and and on a grand scale this

[1:05:48] this this change but I think it'll help put the

[1:05:50] game in the vein of consistency so from first blush

[1:05:54] here this really does seem like a good improvement to

[1:05:56] me thank you

[1:05:59] further comments councillor Skinner

[1:06:03] your worship just a forum for some context

[1:06:07] the main sorry network main the downtown business district as

[1:06:13] it's defined in this note ... I'm just curious as

[1:06:16] to how far north west coast is a doctor street

[1:06:21] is it queens road is an American road when we

[1:06:25] say we are going to do the downtown business district

[1:06:28] I'm just wondering how far we've

[1:06:30] it's just water and of course

[1:06:35] okay thank you

[1:06:40] councillor Collins

[1:06:42] yes ... just former obviously priority mostly running on the

[1:06:46] one side and a sort of

[1:06:49] together because

[1:06:50] I think we went lots of free to be quicker

[1:06:52] to come back to the movie please press town within

[1:06:56] the street get a priority one but a lot of

[1:06:58] these if you're sending

[1:07:01] yeah okay

[1:07:02] thank you councillor Hickman ... you have stolen and the

[1:07:07] that but is there a separate contract for downtown we

[1:07:10] so what when you say downtown in this context how

[1:07:12] does that work what what impact do they have or

[1:07:15] how does it take you back out to the country

[1:07:19] it just means that will be ... advise you know

[1:07:22] will be directing the contractor in how how to do

[1:07:25] what priorities first right so it means you might get

[1:07:27] a of you'll have a cut on Water Street and

[1:07:30] Duckworth street before I guess you do the second side

[1:07:32] of Water Street but it'll it'll just be done in

[1:07:34] a more

[1:07:36] in a more efficient process to maximize the number of

[1:07:40] of sidewalks are the faster we can get site sidewalks

[1:07:43] done so people will have somewhere to ... to walk

[1:07:49] your worship yes councillor had

[1:07:53] I don't know I didn't want to step on council

[1:07:55] has nobody finished he's finished

[1:07:59] at first I think this is really good because I

[1:08:01] know we want to we all want to improve snowball

[1:08:04] clearing but we also know the restraints we have with

[1:08:07] our budget so it seems to me what we're going

[1:08:09] to do we're going to do very well alright commended

[1:08:12] ivory I will be able to put it so I

[1:08:14] think I think will be improvements and I think you

[1:08:16] can

[1:08:17] what we are doing a little too much for a

[1:08:20] better job of it I think the public will increase

[1:08:22] the task thank you worship

[1:08:25] councillor Skinner yeah thank you your worship again I'm just

[1:08:28] trying to ...

[1:08:29] wrap my head around how this will operationally functions so

[1:08:33] if I may business owner on Water Street I'm going

[1:08:36] to have one side of the street down

[1:08:39] and continue on to the other priority one areas to

[1:08:43] get those done before looping back to do the other

[1:08:46] side

[1:08:48] and I asked earlier I don't know if the same

[1:08:50] timelines apply but I asked earlier about how long it

[1:08:53] would take and I was told twelve hours for one

[1:08:55] o'clock twenty four hours for the second sorry because we'd

[1:08:58] be looking at twelve to twenty four hours before that

[1:09:01] second one it would be different times

[1:09:05] this sidewalk snow clearing program has much different timelines and

[1:09:09] the streets to

[1:09:11]

[1:09:12] so don't volunteer chair

[1:09:16] so the current timelines for sidewalk snow clearing is four

[1:09:20] to seven days after an event

[1:09:24] and every time it snows we have to restart our

[1:09:27] priorities so if it snows on a Monday and then

[1:09:30] it snows on a Wednesday timeline starts again on Wednesday

[1:09:34] so we're full with the current resources we have we're

[1:09:38] four to seven days for getting the entire sidewalk routes

[1:09:42] complete now the downtown business area does have a contractor

[1:09:47] in place ... the timelines may be better down there

[1:09:51] but as a telling you exactly when one side will

[1:09:53] be cleared exactly when the other side would be cleared

[1:09:56] for timelines for that I would be able to give

[1:09:58] you that data

[1:10:00] so I'm to understand then that one side of the

[1:10:03] street could be done and it could be days

[1:10:07] before the other side

[1:10:11] yeah

[1:10:21] yes

[1:10:22] I'll just add that harbor drive is also included in

[1:10:25] that contract downtown

[1:10:27] ... so the contract includes water bottle water all touch

[1:10:31] Duckworth and one side of her drive so what we're

[1:10:35] going to do with with that contract is we're going

[1:10:37] to spell out you know we have we have decided

[1:10:40] north or south get back what once had water come

[1:10:42] back second come back once on top worth to one

[1:10:46] side of her drive then start second salt of water

[1:10:49] and property in typically in in other seasons he ...

[1:10:55] he being the contractor

[1:10:57] ... nobody has that ready for business open in the

[1:11:01] morning ... I will add to that the downtown

[1:11:05] a business district we do a lot of snow removal

[1:11:08] down there so it's easier somewhat easier to plow the

[1:11:11] sidewalks because there's less snowbanks on her cell the contractors

[1:11:16] typically

[1:11:17] so much easier to plow because of the lack of

[1:11:21] snow remains unsolved mysteries

[1:11:24] so we don't get into a four seven day normally

[1:11:27] foundered normally hours

[1:11:30] to get to get downtown business district clout

[1:11:37] I appreciate the information your worship all just

[1:11:40] no monitor myself and see how it goes yeah it's

[1:11:43] it's it's a different it's it's a whole different set

[1:11:46] up because of the because of the private contractor down

[1:11:48] there but I I I think it's fair to say

[1:11:51] that in most cases with a fifteen or twenty centimetre

[1:11:54] snowfall that the sidewalks are usually complete is ... water

[1:11:59] drug works all the time businesses are opening in the

[1:12:03] morning or late morning

[1:12:07] and of course would not just sidewalk snow clearing but

[1:12:09] for all snow clearing it depends on when the small

[1:12:12] stops at most stops at six AM

[1:12:15] ... we're never going to get everything done by the

[1:12:17] time business opens at a on and off we get

[1:12:19] more time we'll have it all

[1:12:22] she was worshipped

[1:12:25] ... dramatically downtown thanks we've put in the downtown park

[1:12:29] loop walk that detailed topo removal ... the last three

[1:12:33] years ago thank you for that in the parking this

[1:12:36] overbuild including the sidewalk has little closer

[1:12:43] yes your worship and use it you can tell

[1:12:47] if you leave goals of Kerr brought anywhere you go

[1:12:49] downtown they don't have as much all note near earth

[1:12:53] watch all three do you know so is less known

[1:12:55] outer you need golden at home and you do a

[1:12:58] drive or something Gary be an hour go down there

[1:13:00] and ten minutes you know you don't have enough good

[1:13:04] looks old lady more rainy

[1:13:07] the drive and Pitts memorial drive you can see the

[1:13:08] difference as you as you go into arts house lands

[1:13:12] in the hallway yeah

[1:13:16] I'm agreeing with council

[1:13:18] I always agree with you don't

[1:13:20] it's councillor for

[1:13:24] thank you and I just wanted to make clear it

[1:13:26] so the con and asked David when and to make

[1:13:30] sure I'm correct the contractor only covers water Duckworth and

[1:13:33] harbor Dr grant yeah so it's not the point of

[1:13:36] making by reinforcing that is it's not as if they're

[1:13:39] going to be called up to another street to do

[1:13:42] it before doing the other side of Water Street they're

[1:13:44] gonna it's a solution to make it done and until

[1:13:48] it's complete

[1:13:51] any further comments

[1:13:53] okay ... what sorry it was so what I'd ask

[1:13:56] staff to speak to a little bit is so this

[1:13:59] as part of the motion was a conversation on lane

[1:14:01] ways stairways and crosswalks as well and that's not addressed

[1:14:04] here and that's fine and that is a big piece

[1:14:06] of work okay ... but I just wanted to note

[1:14:09] that for the listening public in the staff of any

[1:14:11] any comments to say on on that consideration in the

[1:14:15] linen yeah so ... we're go the plan is to

[1:14:18] bring that forward to the next made a whole where

[1:14:21] if it was up a lot of work to get

[1:14:23] to pull all this to together so we did and

[1:14:25] we didn't want to I guess even though this is

[1:14:27] a lot to bring forward to council we didn't want

[1:14:29] to bring even more in the council today so we're

[1:14:32] going to the plan is to bring that forward it

[1:14:34] to the next meeting hall

[1:14:38] deputy mayor

[1:14:40] yeah no I just wanna say that they'd be in

[1:14:42] the same way issue certainly is it has been an

[1:14:44] ongoing contentious issue for some time and I I'm I'm

[1:14:46] really looking forward to more discussion and information around that

[1:14:49] and how we can continue to improve that service so

[1:14:52] thank you

[1:14:53]

[1:14:56] sure councillor Collins said your worship what pressure crow Dave

[1:15:00] said dear with listings it here windows no stops got

[1:15:05] a big factor shoulder it was also on sept twelve

[1:15:08] one o'clock tonight you'll get something more in the job

[1:15:11] is done perfect if that's not five or six o'clock

[1:15:14] in the morning you'll gets out and everybody looked up

[1:15:17] to the window under street is not the owner is

[1:15:19] a nightmare so whatever time snow snaps this so how

[1:15:22] good of a job you gates and also when it

[1:15:24] starts because it starts to o'clock in the afternoon you

[1:15:27] know at six o'clock in the evening it's it's dangling

[1:15:30] out there

[1:15:31] you can't get around so you're good point councillor Collins

[1:15:35] so moved by councillor Froude seconded by

[1:15:39] councillor Hickman call the question

[1:15:44] yup

[1:15:46] I think we can do them all together

[1:15:52] M. all Sir which which all ... the other two

[1:15:57] points yes

[1:16:00] yeah

[1:16:01] hold on now maybe I'm

[1:16:05] okay nope sorry point one I was looking at sorry

[1:16:08] I was looking a priority one eight months as being

[1:16:11] point sorry yeah just ... doing point one

[1:16:22] what

[1:16:28] that's too many numbers

[1:16:31] it's too many numbers

[1:16:47]

[1:17:03] motions carries

[1:17:07] point to me again

[1:17:10] M. point to it there's no motion attached point two

[1:17:13] unless council feels otherwise I suppose ... but it's it's

[1:17:17] say it lays out the the supervision and the training

[1:17:22] that same place for the operators ... and forever and

[1:17:26] the approach ... so I'm not going to go through

[1:17:28] those details I think it's laid out there while I'm

[1:17:31] if there any questions by

[1:17:41] I don't think there's a motion on the

[1:17:46] okay

[1:17:48] we'll put your seconding in abeyance for next time we

[1:17:50] need a second

[1:17:56] your worship just a question if I could one of

[1:17:58] the

[1:17:59] issues that I've been ... talked about already is the

[1:18:03] issue of private contractors plowing either under the sidewalks or

[1:18:08] into the street moving window leaving wind rows of small

[1:18:12] that have ... complicated work of our own pro war

[1:18:16] in fact reversed a good work that they've done and

[1:18:19] I'm just wondering what ... what policies what approach we

[1:18:23] have to that how do we respond to that I

[1:18:26] guess is what I'm trying to understand

[1:18:31] city solicitor

[1:18:33] so we have provisions in our bylaws that prevent

[1:18:37] ... contractors are citizens from doing exactly what you're speaking

[1:18:40] about so we have an enforcement mechanism I'm we have

[1:18:44] ... public work staff will go out and do inspections

[1:18:47] and ... provide if they signed that that has happened

[1:18:52] ... go to the enforcement process and lead to a

[1:18:55] prosecution

[1:18:58] so what that inspection process be on a complaint basis

[1:19:01] or would it be as a part of their normal

[1:19:03] operations actually reviewing ... now some of some of the

[1:19:08] enforcement of that right

[1:19:11] yeah we've been working and cooperating with the public works

[1:19:14] department tried to do all we can improve that enforcement

[1:19:17] mechanism ... with regards to the operational if there's inspection

[1:19:22] I'll have to ask David or Lynn and speak to

[1:19:25] that because I'm not sure if it's just complaint basis

[1:19:27] or if we actually do have ... the resources to

[1:19:31] be able to have a staff staff person going right

[1:19:33] doing inspections without a complaint I I do know that

[1:19:36] there are probably enough complaints that

[1:19:39] dealing with that is is quite at a heavy task

[1:19:42] some

[1:19:44] yes so we do have inspectors that do after every

[1:19:47] snowfall of and the ... well I travel the city

[1:19:51] to look for areas and we see or speak to

[1:19:53] residents or contractors or you know ... and make sure

[1:19:57] they understand are not permitted to do that we also

[1:19:59] deal with complaints that they also are C. and a

[1:20:03] monitoring at contracts as as well so yeah we are

[1:20:06] we are if they're trying to do is as best

[1:20:07] we can to ensure that ... cleared sidewalks are not

[1:20:11] plowed in by private contractors or you know residents or

[1:20:14] whatever

[1:20:19] further comments

[1:20:22] okay

[1:20:23] NexPoint

[1:20:25] the point 3

[1:20:29] if I may add to the previous one just before

[1:20:31] serve on and we've made some modifications and staff and

[1:20:35] speak to this more detail but made some concern last

[1:20:38] year with the quality of private that private contractors we

[1:20:40] have we've hired so for instance let's with Avenue had

[1:20:42] a lot of concerns on the quality of the clearing

[1:20:45] so there's been some changes to how those are ...

[1:20:48] what those contracts say to ensure that there are better

[1:20:51] accountability mechanisms in place to ensure that that that's quality

[1:20:55] work

[1:21:00] so that the last point there is

[1:21:04] was that suggestion for a conversation on and with that

[1:21:07] there's a re prioritize ation possible for some local streets

[1:21:10] to free up resources ... for sidewalk snow clearing and

[1:21:14] I think the the note lays it out well ...

[1:21:17] but in briefs ... I I support what what's written

[1:21:21] here and and I also a motion when the time

[1:21:23] comes first status quo our for our local streets are

[1:21:26] prioritized ... it said it notes that and some of

[1:21:32] these things are obvious but we have a very temperate

[1:21:34] climate which results in a lot of rain and or

[1:21:36] snow melt immediately after so far so that rain and

[1:21:39] melt because there's no way to get wet and heavy

[1:21:41] very quickly ... which turns the ace and there are

[1:21:45] the most significant challenges service delivery is the ability to

[1:21:47] recover completely after an event for subsequent event occur so

[1:21:51] we have snow and rain and freezing rain and then

[1:21:54] ... more snow on top of it gets packed in

[1:21:56] really hard and it's difficult to ... to remove it

[1:22:01] ...

[1:22:02] so any change to how we would do the streets

[1:22:05] I will lead to that sort of scenario where there's

[1:22:08] rocks there's rocks in the street routes of snow in

[1:22:10] the street me quite difficult to get through ... as

[1:22:14] it's a mix of ice and snow and there

[1:22:19] one of the reasons so I'm I'm supportive of of

[1:22:22] status quo because it is that's not a satisfactory

[1:22:26] changing is not satisfactory route for vehicles but it's also

[1:22:29] not a satisfactory route for pedestrians because if you're street

[1:22:32] is is is full of rocks and ice that means

[1:22:35] the vehicle is there it's it's riskier to have a

[1:22:38] vehicle on the street which means if there's a pedestrian

[1:22:41] ... using that same street they have no space or

[1:22:44] there's a greater risk in in a vehicle pedestrian means

[1:22:47] in an unsafe on safe place ... so I think

[1:22:51] I think status quo make sense ... for moving forward

[1:22:57] good councillor Hickman

[1:23:00] the

[1:23:02] I just have a quick comics like this was directed

[1:23:04] at me part of the site and talk with this

[1:23:07] for a long time I wouldn't I would I would

[1:23:10] not take it personally no worse but no I appreciate

[1:23:14] I agree discussions with them about this then and she

[1:23:18] optional is a lot more than I do and I

[1:23:20] understand fully the need to make sure you pick up

[1:23:23] off the ice

[1:23:24] and keep the drains on plugged sector I'd like to

[1:23:27] understand sometimes it's it's been known them this is leave

[1:23:31] that redo it what it doesn't need to be done

[1:23:33] the asphalt is bare except for we can use our

[1:23:35] resources elsewhere and times like that that's all I'm saying

[1:23:38] but I understand that telling him to repeat for shore

[1:23:42] so thanks for the clarification and school mile scolding

[1:23:50] I was scolding

[1:23:53] councillor out yeah sure sure a lot of hundred implausible

[1:23:56] around people teach that there will

[1:23:59] you know how from around industries don't they're going back

[1:24:04] around eleven thousand catch basins and uptown some of practice

[1:24:06] from right and we will get it gets business done

[1:24:09] in on the water mix when the status of milk

[1:24:11] in the water all over the place because you can't

[1:24:13] get down it's based so it's a lot of times

[1:24:16] there to ... they're going to have to go through

[1:24:18] both of them most of the time the truth which

[1:24:21] is

[1:24:23] any further comments

[1:24:29] so

[1:24:31] there's no need for a motion on that one either

[1:24:35] both

[1:24:36] right

[1:24:38] okay

[1:24:39] yes councillor Korab is sickening all the non motions

[1:24:45] so that's it for that

[1:24:47] of course thanks very much for that work by the

[1:24:50] way in and Dave this and your staff that was

[1:24:53] a good piece of work to get that taken care

[1:24:56] of as a lot of information on this

[1:24:59] yes or there's a fourth line

[1:25:02] lawyers

[1:25:04] point 4 or 4

[1:25:08] retain the current level of service

[1:25:18] the council maintain the current level of service on local

[1:25:21] streets so that was for information purposes only it was

[1:25:24] that

[1:25:26] okay

[1:25:32] or is

[1:25:33] thank you very much

[1:25:36] community services inclusion advisory committee

[1:25:44] this one councillor Stapleton ... yes your worship this is

[1:25:49] Chuck ... the council requested feedback from the closer by

[1:25:52] the committee ... there's quite a number of

[1:25:58] request and discussions that's attached to this

[1:26:04]

[1:26:06] estreme ma feedback and I want ... council to actually

[1:26:12] have a good look at it because there's quite a

[1:26:15] number of issues that the inclusion vice three committee ...

[1:26:19] came up with ... because of the pedestrian mall and

[1:26:23] before you make any decisions for next year or thereafter

[1:26:28] ... reading need to look at ... inclusion at accessibility

[1:26:35] there's quite a there has been a number of issues

[1:26:39] ... decks ... white ... and the pedestrian mall going

[1:26:45] too fast skateboards ... so it's we had reported here

[1:26:52] to have council have every damn deep look at all

[1:26:56] the issues that the inclusion of ours we committee had

[1:27:00] an average to mall and ... hopefully next year they

[1:27:05] will all these long we'll be there thank you

[1:27:09] okay thank you ... it says resolution is that something

[1:27:13] that's

[1:27:15] we're gonna to debate

[1:27:17] councillor Stapleton is moving the resolution as put third resolution

[1:27:22] thank me to read it that council review the recommendations

[1:27:24] put forward by the inclusion committee for the downtown pedestrian

[1:27:28] mall and share with all relevant parties recommendations the Cokesbury

[1:27:33] implications for those with vision loss such as wayfinding indication

[1:27:37] of a upcoming ramps and obstacles and sidewalks shoring ramps

[1:27:42] me coat a slip resistant and lead to a deck

[1:27:45] that can be maneuvered by wheelchair access to accessible washrooms

[1:27:49] for criticism all users accessible parking located inside the mall

[1:27:55] was hazardous and a need for inclusion education among business

[1:27:59] and security staff in the area and I'm not great

[1:28:02] seconded by deputy mayor you comments

[1:28:05] your worship I'd like to

[1:28:08] go ahead councillor handles

[1:28:11] thank you your worship yes I I I I would

[1:28:13] also doubly second this is well I think this is

[1:28:16] what's meters and ... Mr Bolick well doll was that

[1:28:21] it was a dog rather quickly and there was invited

[1:28:25] to the mobile phone well the recommendations that basic plan

[1:28:29] everyone deserves the right to start all over I don't

[1:28:32] think that would be special asking for this to be

[1:28:35] created fairly like everyone else and I think this is

[1:28:38] very much welcome and I know that that was her

[1:28:41] concern as well as business owners what was the value

[1:28:44] worship so I think that the welcome and I'll be

[1:28:47] working on behalf in sort of back up thank you

[1:28:52] thank you very much councillor and

[1:28:56] any further comments

[1:28:58] call the question

[1:29:16]

[1:29:23] also

[1:29:30] so

[1:29:40] your worship okay just waiting for councillor for how to

[1:29:44] return to his seat and then where

[1:29:51]

[1:29:53] yes

[1:29:59]

[1:30:01] the voters

[1:30:03] motions carries

[1:30:08] councillor councillor proudly we assume that you're in support of

[1:30:10] that resolution yeah

[1:30:14]

[1:30:17] see what I mean about the rules are a little

[1:30:18] bit different councillors should

[1:30:22] yeah

[1:30:24] it's like going to an auction to put your hand

[1:30:25] up we got to be really careful when you do

[1:30:27] this ... Shea heights community center board of directors

[1:30:33]

[1:30:36] right all of the year

[1:30:39] this

[1:30:41] is your worship is the board of directors it was

[1:30:43] a

[1:30:45] a few changes in the terms of reference after last

[1:30:47] time it and it was two thousand sixteen and

[1:30:52] it is a few their own cultural mob the main

[1:30:54] one is to help health center in trail it's usually

[1:30:58] just resource armor but now they're making data X. issue

[1:31:03] decision not only does he joked Pasco school

[1:31:08] so I moved recommendation we're going to weeks a lot

[1:31:11] of work after going into this

[1:31:13] so motor nation that the acceptance

[1:31:17] there's any questions current sheriff's American service department is here

[1:31:22] but the north is going to speak but he has

[1:31:25] any questions current if you wanted to have your comments

[1:31:35] Hey I got there I got ... yeah I just

[1:31:37] this is that produced report we were very very few

[1:31:40] the terms of reference of dish they had Shea heights

[1:31:42] that community center board every couple years so we just

[1:31:46] went through a review and the board has reviewed all

[1:31:49] this and was in favor of everything the point here

[1:31:52] a few things that we just add it was some

[1:31:55] further clarification around subcommittees and how that can be allies

[1:31:59] with the board ... the appointment of directors ensuring that

[1:32:03] there's equality inclusiveness within our board from that perspective we

[1:32:08] worked with Elaine oriented team to ensure that some of

[1:32:11] the language within our own advisory committees are also reflected

[1:32:14] in this terms of reference or as well from a

[1:32:16] consistency perspective that would be around confidentiality set and we

[1:32:22] also added some acceptable method of communication ensuring that ...

[1:32:27] boards items are not communicated through social media platforms and

[1:32:31] done through manner which acceptable with all board members so

[1:32:36] conflict of interest statement was also at is and the

[1:32:39] process for the election of executives so it's put into

[1:32:43] the terms of reference itself any questions

[1:32:50] so moved by councillor Collins seconded by

[1:32:54] councillor Skinner

[1:32:57] any further comment

[1:32:59] call the question

[1:33:15] motions courage

[1:33:17] that is our agenda

[1:33:21] thank you very much meeting adjourned

[1:33:24] we're

[1:33:27] soon as

[1:33:30] are we

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