[15:48] Public Arts Commission. Uh we will just

[15:51] have uh I'll call this meeting to order

[15:53] and we'll just have everybody go around

[15:54] quickly and just briefly introduce

[15:56] themselves. We can start. Yeah.

[15:59] >> Elias Gwyn.

[16:01] >> Yep, that's fine. Emma Rider,

[16:04] >> Sophia Gutierrez,

[16:07] >> Emmanuel Carter,

[16:10] >> Deanna Roboti,

[16:12] >> Sisha Bur, Commissioner Parks.

[16:15] >> All right. Um, so yes, we will review

[16:19] the minutes from last week's meeting.

[16:22] Um, there isn't a whole lot on there. We

[16:25] didn't have quorum, but just again, just

[16:27] to kind of review, make sure everybody

[16:29] reviews it. Um, yeah, we'll just look at

[16:31] that.

[16:37] I move to approve.

[16:39] >> Second.

[16:40] >> All right. So, all in favor?

[16:44] Perfect.

[16:46] Motion passes with all. Perfect.

[16:52] All right. Uh, so we'll move on to our

[16:54] main motions. Uh we have Spack 2519,

[16:58] Jump Shot and Skyline by Alli Walker. Uh

[17:01] if you would like to come up. Uh and

[17:05] yeah, if you want to tell us a little

[17:06] bit about uh your proposal.

[17:09] >> Uh yes, I'm looking to uh paint a mural

[17:12] on the side of the CNC Mini Mart over on

[17:15] um North Saline Street. Uh the owner

[17:17] would like to do uh the Syracuse City

[17:21] skyline at dusk on both sides of the

[17:23] entryway. Um and then on the corner uh

[17:28] entitled jump shot, he uh would just

[17:31] like a ve very generic character um

[17:34] reaching up for a jump shot um with just

[17:38] a nice orange blue palette to just match

[17:40] our lovely city.

[17:44] » Yeah. Awesome. Uh Shisha, because I know

[17:47] we don't have in color. Do you have an

[17:49] image in color?

[17:50] >> Oh, yep. I do, I think. Sorry. I don't

[17:53] know if I didn't come

[17:54] >> just so that we can look over.

[17:55] >> You know what? I don't know if I do.

[18:01] » You have one.

[18:01] >> I don't. Nope. Let's say Ally, do you

[18:03] have an image and color portrait just so

[18:04] that we can just a quick look at it?

[18:08] >> And Ally, these uh Coca-Cola logos,

[18:10] they're advertisements that are

[18:12] currently on the building or

[18:13] >> they're already currently on the

[18:14] building and they are for

[18:17] >> um

[18:18] >> the business itself.

[18:21] Coca-Cola.

[18:24] >> Gotcha.

[18:26] >> And then um

[18:30] » because I'm kind of in the logo mindset,

[18:32] this this basketball form in the

[18:34] background does have the feeling of a

[18:37] logo to me. Oh, no. Seeing it in color

[18:40] changes it completely. Okay. Because

[18:41] there is one there's like a national

[18:43] basketball league with a blue tone. No,

[18:47] I try to stay away from anything that

[18:49] would have to do, but I wanted to at

[18:50] least capture the

[18:52] >> This is why it being in color matters.

[18:53] It's like my brain went to that other

[18:56] recogn

[18:58] uh you know encapsulated basketball with

[19:02] the gentleman jumping up there in case

[19:03] you missed that right there.

[19:07] >> Okay.

[19:08] >> Very literal.

[19:13] Yeah, we can open up to any other

[19:14] questions.

[19:17] >> What's the condition of the wall right

[19:19] now?

[19:20] >> Uh they repaired the bottom. So if uh

[19:22] unfortunately your black and whites

[19:24] don't probably show it, but they

[19:25] repaired the bottom of the wall too as

[19:27] well. Um and the sidewalk, it was just

[19:29] uh

[19:31] over time period had worn down. Uh so

[19:34] they've uh over the summer they've got

[19:37] all new um bottom exterior repaired the

[19:40] wall and then they repaired the sidewalk

[19:42] too as well. Uh it looks like um

[19:46] between switching owners there was a

[19:48] sidewalk that was put in. Um so there

[19:51] were some uh parking stoppers there that

[19:54] they also moved to as well. And then

[19:55] he's in the process of also repairing

[19:58] the back portion of the wall that nobody

[19:59] can see but he just wants it done. It's

[20:02] a brand new owner that has just taken

[20:03] over this uh building and business.

[20:07] >> Is there a maintenance plan? Because I

[20:09] can imagine if it's if it's had issues

[20:11] before.

[20:12] >> Um it could

[20:13] >> is maintenance plan as far as I mean

[20:15] most of the murals that I've painted

[20:17] here around Syracuse. Uh we put a UV

[20:19] coating over it. Um I make sure that

[20:22] there's a nice uh uh the building's

[20:24] primed, ready to go, so there's a nice

[20:26] backdrop. And usually they last up to

[20:28] about seven, eight years. And I take a

[20:30] lot of pride in my art. So, if there's

[20:32] any defacing, it's usually gone within a

[20:34] week. Um, the owners and I usually just

[20:37] have a a small agreement where they'll

[20:38] just call me back and I just make sure

[20:40] everything looks great.

[20:47] » Uh, I just have a quick question on time

[20:48] frame. Uh, because I miss Yeah, right

[20:51] now it's very difficult.

[20:52] >> Uh, it took me a little while to find

[20:54] the right person. So, um, it was

[20:56] scheduled for uh,

[20:58] >> the summer. Um, we've now pushed it back

[21:01] and uh we're just going to uh hope for

[21:04] spring as soon as we get a nice piece of

[21:07] weather.

[21:07] >> That's fair. Okay.

[21:08] >> Um, looks like we'll start with the

[21:10] front and then we'll go to the back side

[21:11] as well.

[21:12] >> Okay, perfect.

[21:17] Any other questions?

[21:24] » Can I get a motion?

[21:25] >> Let's go. A motion to approve.

[21:28] >> Second. All right. So, we have Deanna

[21:30] and Elias. All right. All in favor?

[21:35] >> Awesome.

[21:36] >> Beautiful.

[21:36] >> Great.

[21:37] >> Thank you very much.

[21:38] >> So, motion passes. Thanks, Ally. And

[21:40] yeah, um just keep us posted on when

[21:42] you're completed.

[21:43] >> Absolutely.

[21:44] >> I will add that I live in that

[21:46] neighborhood and look at that store

[21:48] every single day, so it'll be nice to

[21:50] have some color.

[21:52] >> A little more color over on that side.

[21:55] >> Welcome. Come on in.

[21:58] or you can Yeah, either way.

[22:02] All right. So, yes, I know that that was

[22:04] the primary motion

[22:06] uh up for consideration.

[22:09] Um now we will just move into some

[22:12] discussion. I know that there were some

[22:14] things that we discussed last week. Uh

[22:17] but Commissioner Bird, is there anything

[22:20] else that we need to discuss tonight?

[22:26] Um, I don't think so. The only thing I

[22:28] would mention is as we have a new mayor

[22:30] coming in in January,

[22:32] um, some I would recommend and and she

[22:36] as well that we wait on terms have been

[22:38] extended to the end of the month. I know

[22:40] some there's three people on the

[22:42] committee now that currently have termed

[22:44] out. Um, so those um, letters will come

[22:48] out from the mayor's office in January

[22:50] and you will be able to choose if you, know, stay on the committee or not.

[22:54] the com, excuse me, the commission or

[22:55] not. Um,

[22:58] other than that, there were questions

[23:00] posed at the last meeting. I am still

[23:02] working through some of those. Um, I did

[23:06] bring some of the ordinance with me

[23:08] because I've been studying and reading

[23:10] through them. And I think what we

[23:12] recommend, what was recommended last

[23:14] meeting to host like a art commission

[23:16] 101 to revisit some of this. We just

[23:19] have to talk about when that could take

[23:21] place, what your schedules look like. We

[23:24] said starting I I recommend we start

[23:26] with the commission and then even do a

[23:28] public yes meeting about thi you know

[23:30] this is what the application is this is

[23:32] how you go through the process this is

[23:34] who we are this is what public art our

[23:36] coordinator is

[23:37] >> can can we do an annual public info

[23:39] session um

[23:41] >> I think during the winter is a great

[23:43] time um because people are usually

[23:46] planning around that time

[23:49] >> um or yeah and it's not like the

[23:52] summers, everyone's traveling and that

[23:54] gets difficult or they're working on

[23:55] stuff.

[23:56] >> But if we do a yearly um info session,

[23:59] that gives, you know, a lot of community

[24:02] members opportunity to come in, people

[24:04] who've never done murals before.

[24:06] >> Um

[24:07] >> I agree. And new artists that may be

[24:09] afraid of the process because they just

[24:10] don't know.

[24:11] >> Yeah. And it also is an opportunity to

[24:13] orient any new commission members

[24:15] because we do change off and often it's

[24:17] just like here's

[24:18] >> the packet's great. I'm really glad Tina

[24:20] did that. But

[24:21] >> usually we're like welcome. Okay, now

[24:22] let's get started.

[24:23] >> Yes, no pressure.

[24:24] >> Okay,

[24:25] >> agreed.

[24:26] >> I think it might also be helpful to have

[24:27] that hybrid like if we could do that

[24:29] somehow on Zoom. I know that it's live

[24:31] streamed, but

[24:32] >> the info session I believe we could. I'm

[24:34] still um trying to dig deep and figure

[24:38] out if we can do meetings virtually. I'm

[24:41] not I I'm still reading through the

[24:43] literature.

[24:44] >> From what I've heard uh cuz I checked in

[24:47] with Tina too um to see about this. I

[24:50] don't think we can for open meeting law

[24:52] reasons that they have to be public like

[24:54] that. Um because essentially like we

[24:57] can't have an public open meeting on

[24:59] Zoom.

[25:01] >> Yeah,

[25:01] >> it can be it can be WebEx though because

[25:05] that's what um the state uses and that's

[25:08] what we did um during CO.

[25:12] >> See, but I think that was a special

[25:13] circumstances. I think they've dropped

[25:15] all those things because

[25:17] >> I mean they set it all up for co so that

[25:19] yes people can do that but I think they

[25:20] dropped a lot of that unless maybe we

[25:23] can try to add that back in. I don't

[25:26] know based on the open meeting law and

[25:28] maybe that's something we need to just

[25:29] review as well open meeting laws and

[25:31] what we need to do for these meetings.

[25:34] Um cuz yeah cuz we could do some Zoom

[25:37] things that would be very helpful. Um

[25:40] but I don't know if realistically that

[25:42] is something that we can do.

[25:46] >> Um yeah. Um just a quick uh refresher

[25:49] too for some of the stuff we talked

[25:50] about last week. Um we talked about um

[25:55] uh commissioner terms. So making sure

[25:56] that we're um again so kind of checking

[25:59] whose terms are up. How do we kind of

[26:00] talk about the process of uh having

[26:03] people step down or step up? Uh

[26:05] especially because we this is a

[26:07] volunteer commission so everybody has a

[26:09] day job and because most of us work in

[26:11] the arts world, we also have a day job

[26:13] and a side job and another like hobby

[26:15] thing. Like that's just that's real like

[26:18] um so talking about what does that look

[26:21] like in terms of um how many sessions

[26:24] and meetings you can actually attend

[26:25] versus not. um what does the process

[26:28] look like if someone has extended and

[26:30] not attended and essentially is holding

[26:33] a position hostage because that means

[26:35] that all of us have to be at every

[26:36] single meeting because if not then we

[26:39] don't have quorum and we can't do

[26:40] business um

[26:44] uh something else too was talking about

[26:45] a vice chair um cuz currently we don't

[26:48] have a vice chair I think we can

[26:50] probably hold off on that until January

[26:52] when we get back to make sure that again

[26:55] because if people's terms are up if you

[26:57] want to step down then that would be I

[26:59] mean if all three I don't know who those

[27:01] people are and we don't have to say that

[27:03] here and now but um essentially if all

[27:06] three of those people then step down we

[27:08] need four people to step up and that

[27:10] would literally mean that everybody

[27:11] who's still on the commission has to be

[27:12] at every single meeting um which is

[27:14] going to be a hassle um

[27:16] >> that's kind of how it is

[27:18] >> yeah no it's a problem currently so

[27:20] we're going to do our best to kind of uh

[27:23] start just navigate that in general I

[27:26] too. Luckily, it's coming at a decent

[27:29] time where not a lot of public art is

[27:30] coming in. Uh, but we should definitely

[27:32] try to resolve this at least by March

[27:34] because that's when people are really

[27:35] going to start proposing stuff again.

[27:39] Um,

[27:40] >> I would also like to add that um for us

[27:44] to even look in on um how to help people

[27:47] find funding towards it as a commission

[27:49] really pushed that. Right now TNT is

[27:52] looking for applications

[27:54] start there. We're changing it a little

[27:56] bit, but it's starting now like for

[27:58] December.

[27:59] >> If you guys, anyone who wants to do a

[28:02] piece of artwork or interest, start

[28:04] getting your information and getting out

[28:05] there and getting approvals because

[28:08] remember you need all that process done.

[28:11] So there is funding out there, but I

[28:14] think we should also have a way to help

[28:16] direct artists towards those things.

[28:19] >> And those funds are also for performance

[28:22] art,

[28:23] >> musical things. if you want in your

[28:25] neighborhoods and stuff. All the TNTs

[28:29] are looking for people to be members of

[28:31] TNT board too

[28:32] >> and that helps to um do the funds in

[28:36] your neighborhoods. So if anyone's

[28:38] interested I like here

[28:42] >> they're short people

[28:44] but it's a great funding and it's not

[28:46] that hard to do.

[28:48] >> Can we circle back to the new member new

[28:50] commissioner that's the process for

[28:52] that? What what's the takeaway on that?

[28:54] So do

[28:58] » so uh

[28:58] >> you sent me an email with a you

[29:00] recommend I I found it so I know the

[29:03] recommendation. Okay. Sorry.

[29:04] >> Yes. So um

[29:06] >> from what I understand and it it

[29:08] actually so that's also why we need to

[29:10] go into which commissioners because from

[29:12] what I understand the

[29:15] >> so on the commission there's supposed to

[29:16] be I believe six artist spots and five

[29:19] non-art spots. So, those are positions

[29:22] that are I mean, we all are kind of in

[29:24] both. I feel like many of us are. Um,

[29:26] >> but I think it's based on how it's

[29:28] categorized.

[29:30] >> I don't know which is which, but one is

[29:32] appointed by the mayor, the other is

[29:34] appointed by common council. So, what we

[29:37] are what I'm going to say for now is

[29:40] definitely we are looking for

[29:41] recommendations. Um, again, I know we

[29:44] have officially one spot open.

[29:47] Potentially, just given again the kind

[29:49] of information we've discussed tonight,

[29:51] there may be four to five spots open.

[29:54] >> The one that's currently open, is that a

[29:55] mayor position or a common

[29:57] >> position? I'm not 100% sure. So, that's

[29:59] something that again we can kind of come

[30:00] back in January to confirm and say this

[30:02] is that, but again, that doesn't um

[30:05] >> if you have someone in to recommend, I

[30:08] think recommend them regardless. Um,

[30:10] >> okay. I would like to make a

[30:11] recommendation.

[30:13] >> Uh I have a very good friend named

[30:15] Rebecca Patterson who is an artist, an

[30:17] art teacher, and a small business owner

[30:21] in Syracuse. And she happens to be right

[30:23] here.

[30:24] >> Hi, Rebecca.

[30:25] >> And I do think that the non-art

[30:27] position, there were artists in those

[30:29] positions.

[30:30] >> Oh, probably. I have I have it right

[30:32] here. I can read the ordinance.

[30:33] >> Yeah. So, I I don't think it's like you

[30:36] cannot be an artist,

[30:37] >> right? No, for sure. And again like I

[30:39] said many of us like what is an artist?

[30:42] What's an arts administrator? What is

[30:43] that? Because many artists do

[30:45] administrative work for themselves and

[30:47] many administrators have been in some

[30:50] way involved in the arts in some way. So

[30:52] >> I think the spirit of the rule was to

[30:54] make sure there were at least this many

[30:57] artists.

[30:57] >> Yes. Yes. I think the the the idea of it

[30:59] is to ensure that again it's well again

[31:01] also that it's not just

[31:02] >> on them. We're all artists.

[31:04] >> Well um yeah. Um, Rebecca, if you would

[31:07] want to maybe introduce yourself and say

[31:08] a little something. Yeah.

[31:10] >> Um, hi, I'm Rebecca Patterson. I have

[31:13] been an eighth and nth grade art teacher

[31:15] for 18 years. Um, I have run a mural

[31:19] club for my students for I want to say

[31:23] three years. We stepped back from it

[31:24] this year just as a temporary pause cuz

[31:26] life got a little overwhelming. But um I

[31:29] am familiar with the process of trying

[31:31] to walk young people through what that

[31:33] looks like and what is a mural versus

[31:36] just a normal work of art. Um have very

[31:39] strong ties to the area. I was born and

[31:41] raised here. I live a mile up the road.

[31:44] Um we own a local business and are just

[31:47] very invested in the community as a

[31:49] whole obviously with it being where we

[31:52] live. So, I'm very interested in uh just

[31:55] hearing already it's already so

[31:58] interesting and hearing things that I

[31:59] hadn't even like considered as a part of

[32:02] what goes into putting a mural on the

[32:03] side of a building. So, um it sounds

[32:05] like something that is a great um

[32:08] learning experience and a good

[32:09] opportunity to work with and meet new

[32:12] artists and just be a bigger part of the

[32:14] art community.

[32:16] >> So, I can tell you this. I've been on

[32:19] just starting on this. I've been using

[32:22] so much in my classroom.

[32:24] >> Oh, I will tell you, we did the walk to

[32:26] the city and we went and saw the I saw

[32:28] the boxes and one of the boxes was a

[32:30] monster book one. It was cute as can be

[32:33] and the kids loved it and then we saw a

[32:35] plain box and I said, "Which one would

[32:37] you like better?"

[32:39] >> Not needless to say, the kids are all

[32:43] four more boxes.

[32:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I'm in contact

[32:46] with hundreds of young artists every

[32:48] single day. So,

[32:50] >> and that's what I'm saying.

[32:51] >> Yeah.

[32:51] >> I had my students actually look up.

[32:54] >> That was part of their goal was to look

[32:55] up because there's so much beautiful

[32:57] things around.

[32:57] >> Yeah, for sure.

[32:58] >> Rebecca, can you repeat your last name,

[33:00] please?

[33:01] >> Patterson. P A T E R S O N.

[33:03] >> I missed it.

[33:04] >> That's nor Syracuse Junior High.

[33:08] >> I mean, in the past, the recommendations

[33:10] were just sent to Kate or Ann.

[33:14] >> Yeah.

[33:14] >> Okay.

[33:15] >> So, I'll I have it I have the email from

[33:17] you.

[33:17] >> Yeah.

[33:18] >> Okay. So, we're good on that.

[33:19] >> Yeah.

[33:20] >> Okay, cool.

[33:21] >> Also to Thank you, Rick.

[33:24] >> Stand before I

[33:26] um

[33:27] >> stand

[33:28] >> on that. Any updates on the public art

[33:32] coordinator position?

[33:33] >> So, we're re we had to rebenchmark the

[33:36] position because the job description

[33:39] wasn't clear.

[33:40] >> Okay.

[33:41] >> We talked about last meeting defining

[33:43] the role of the commission versus the

[33:45] public art coordinator. So HR, it's in

[33:48] HR's hands to benchmark and then we'll

[33:50] post it.

[33:51] >> Do you have a rough timeline of when

[33:54] that might be or

[33:55] >> I'm hoping soon. I I don't know, but

[33:57] I'll I'll confirm with HR,

[33:59] >> but it's something it's one of the

[34:00] things at the top of my list. So

[34:02] >> Okay. Awesome.

[34:02] >> Yep.

[34:03] >> And will you send it to all the

[34:04] commissioners when it's live?

[34:05] >> I will.

[34:05] >> Thank you.

[34:06] >> I will. Thank you.

[34:06] >> Yes.

[34:07] >> Awesome. Um

[34:08] >> yeah,

[34:10] >> but I I will just just so we know for

[34:13] the um

[34:14] >> section 51.8

[34:17] public art commission defines the 11

[34:20] voted members um how many are appointed

[34:23] by um council. My I guess right now my

[34:28] issue is I don't know who's appointed by

[34:30] who. So that's what I'm working with the

[34:32] mayor's office to figure out. Once I

[34:34] have that, I'll know what positions are

[34:36] open for council.

[34:38] >> Yeah, go for it.

[34:40] >> Don't do you guys know who?

[34:42] >> I personally don't. Mayor,

[34:44] >> mayor. Mayor,

[34:47] >> Sophie, hold on. Hold on. Sophie,

[34:50] >> you're too fast.

[34:52] >> Three are mayor.

[34:53] >> Can the Yeah. Can the mayor folks raise

[34:55] hands?

[34:56] >> Us.

[34:57] >> I believe I'm also mayor.

[34:59] >> Okay.

[35:00] There's all your five mayors and then

[35:02] your council m

[35:04] >> browser

[35:05] >> looking at my email. I'm trying to

[35:07] figure out probably

[35:09] >> I mean I can easily get it from the

[35:10] mayor's office. I'm working with them on

[35:13] this now.

[35:14] >> Yeah.

[35:14] >> That way we know when someone comes in

[35:16] who has to appoint. So do I

[35:18] >> I should I should say that

[35:21] >> I got a letter from the mayor. I don't

[35:24] Does that mean it was the mayor? Okay.

[35:27] >> We all got letters from the mayor. I got

[35:29] a mayor, but I know m uh you were

[35:32] recommended by the council. So, I'll

[35:34] check into yours

[35:35] >> cuz we all get letters.

[35:36] >> Yeah, mine also says from the office of

[35:38] the mayor.

[35:39] >> Yeah. So, that's why I put a aster cuz I

[35:42] really don't know. I guess I was

[35:44] supposed to go get sworn in by the

[35:46] mayor, but it was during co so they're

[35:47] like, "You're not going to do that."

[35:49] >> Yeah. I don't

[35:49] >> That's all I remember.

[35:50] >> I was sworn in by the city clerk.

[35:53] >> The city clerk.

[35:55] >> Yeah. Is that that's who you Okay. Yeah,

[35:57] I was also surrounded by the mayor mayor

[35:59] office.

[36:01] >> So again, I think this is something

[36:03] where we can figure we can go into that

[36:05] because someone has these records

[36:06] somewhere.

[36:07] >> So they exist. We will figure it out and

[36:10] we can maybe reassess again. That's why

[36:13] >> I think what's h what's going to happen

[36:15] realistically is again we're in

[36:16] December. Um the holidays are coming up.

[36:18] It's snowing outside. We're probably not

[36:21] going to be a lot of people are not

[36:22] going to be doing a lot of work. I

[36:23] understand that. So, I think in January

[36:25] we can kind of reassess, relook at some

[36:27] of these things um and start putting

[36:30] some action plans in motion to keep them

[36:32] going forward. Um cuz even to something

[36:36] I would like us to start again, this is

[36:38] just a brainstorming. Um the I know that

[36:41] last meeting we talked a little bit

[36:43] about the master plan and some of the

[36:44] task force that we have in relation to

[36:46] that master plan. Um that master plan is

[36:48] now probably over 10 years old, if not

[36:51] 10 years old. Um, so it probably needs

[36:53] some re-evaluation. Um, and even the

[36:56] task force that we initially set up, um,

[36:59] probably should be re-evaluated on what

[37:01] they're actually doing, what their

[37:02] purpose is, um, what are the things that

[37:04] we're going to be doing moving forward.

[37:07] Um,

[37:08] so yeah, so those are I think what I

[37:11] need just to say, I think what I'm

[37:12] getting at is that I think there's a lot

[37:14] that's we have to do, but we don't have

[37:16] to do it right this second. I think

[37:18] there I think that's the truth. Like

[37:19] there's a lot.

[37:20] >> I think we really are new.

[37:22] >> Yeah.

[37:23] >> And that's

[37:24] >> be able to do this all together

[37:26] >> for sure. Um yeah,

[37:29] >> for the dates, I know last meeting you

[37:31] all talked about whether Tuesday is a

[37:33] good date. I don't know the common

[37:35] council chamber schedule. I did propose

[37:39] for the next meeting. We'll put out

[37:40] we're working on or the calendar. We

[37:43] like to put it out a year so that

[37:45] everybody knows when the meetings are.

[37:47] So, the next proposed one, if it's the

[37:48] second Tuesday of the month, is January

[37:50] 13th. Tuesday, January 13th at 5:30.

[37:55] >> We talking about potentially changing

[37:56] the day of the week.

[37:57] >> No, it's always the second Tuesday.

[38:00] >> Okay.

[38:00] >> But, but I mean, I know that's a

[38:02] question that came up. Is this not a

[38:04] convenient time or day and that's why

[38:07] folks aren't showing up?

[38:08] >> I would love it to be not Tuesday. I

[38:09] would love it to be Mondays, but I don't

[38:11] know if that's possible.

[38:12] >> CPC sometimes

[38:15] is a problem.

[38:17] So I think

[38:19] I don't know I mean Tuesday I also don't

[38:22] know the chamber schedule the calendar.

[38:24] So um but I just put on there tenatively

[38:29] I guess January 13th would be the next

[38:31] meeting.

[38:32] >> Should we send out some doodle polls?

[38:34] >> That's what

[38:36] >> I think

[38:37] >> with some I I I would happily create as

[38:40] many doodle polls as you guys would like

[38:44] for January. I think that would be fine.

[38:46] Yeah. Well, I think we just The thing

[38:48] with January is we need it to be a month

[38:51] in advance. So, we would need to

[38:52] confirm. I think maybe

[38:53] >> No, I'm talking about Well,

[38:56] we should probably hold the meeting in

[38:58] January. Yeah. And because we'll have a

[39:00] lot of new information by then and

[39:02] whatever.

[39:03] >> Um, but as far as like

[39:06] >> having a yearly, you know, session where

[39:08] we have an educational thing, you know,

[39:11] >> or changing the date after that, I'm

[39:13] happy to do those incentives out. So,

[39:16] >> I'll just have that in my mind on my

[39:18] to-do list and we'll talk about it again

[39:19] in January.

[39:20] >> I think that's perfect. Yeah. So, let's

[39:21] keep the January 13th and then maybe by

[39:23] that day we can maybe you and I can

[39:27] maybe look and see

[39:28] >> you can see when the chamber is free if

[39:30] you are looking at dates

[39:32] >> so that way we

[39:33] >> and then we can possibly decide like a

[39:35] different day if that works better for

[39:37] people because again too we might have a

[39:38] bunch of new commissioners. We'll uh

[39:41] commissioners. Yes. Yeah,

[39:42] >> we won't have any commissioners by then,

[39:44] but hopefully.

[39:44] >> No, but we we'll know we'll have a

[39:46] better sense of kind of what we're

[39:47] playing with because then we can kind of

[39:50] reassess from there. Again, I think

[39:51] there's just too many things like in

[39:53] flux to pin things down right now is a

[39:55] little difficult. Um, but I do like that

[39:58] idea of like sending out I'll do the

[39:59] poll and also looking to see like what

[40:01] the general calendar looks like.

[40:03] >> So, last month we talked about um

[40:09] Maggie. Maggie.

[40:10] >> Yes.

[40:12] asked. We we talked about communication

[40:14] about these meetings.

[40:15] >> Yes.

[40:16] >> And so I recommended and I did send out

[40:19] a meeting a calendar invite. Is that

[40:22] more helpful than 10 emails asking are

[40:25] you available?

[40:26] >> So good.

[40:27] >> Much better. Yeah.

[40:28] >> I mean I got immediate responses when I

[40:31] sent it out. So moving forward when we

[40:33] bring on a public until the public

[40:35] coordinator comes on that's what I will

[40:37] do and I will have them do that as well.

[40:39] I think that's perfect.

[40:41] >> That's

[40:41] >> okay.

[40:42] >> Just wanted to check in and see if it

[40:44] worked.

[40:45] >> That was great. Thank you.

[40:50] » All right.

[40:51] >> I have a quick question.

[40:52] >> Yes.

[40:53] >> So, for new

[40:56] applicants to be commissioners, they

[40:58] still have to fill out the online form.

[41:01] I assume

[41:02] >> it I don't see it very clearly on the

[41:05] website. What I would recommend, Emma,

[41:07] for now is just send me a letter, a

[41:11] recommendation. You sent an email,

[41:13] right? Eli sent an uh email. Yeah, a

[41:15] quick email saying, "Hey, I have someone

[41:18] >> um I want to recommend. How do I go

[41:20] about doing that?" Just send an email.

[41:22] If I need more information, I'll follow

[41:23] up with you.

[41:24] >> Okay. I don't have anybody in mind, but

[41:25] I was just if we wanted to to be there

[41:28] >> in the city of Yes. president of the

[41:30] city

[41:31] >> and not super important but like the

[41:33] commission members are not accurate on

[41:35] the website but I don't know who's in

[41:37] charge of updating that

[41:38] >> so they're not updated I noted that

[41:40] today um I've I have someone helping

[41:43] with the website the we are still in

[41:46] pause with the new website but I I

[41:49] recognize that Tina's name is still the

[41:51] um president or the chair and so I

[41:54] already reached out to get that changed

[41:55] >> okay so

[41:56] >> all good and you all added

[41:58] >> the parks or just things on the website

[42:01] sometimes take a while to

[42:03] >> get updated. Like the volleyball

[42:05] schedule wasn't posted, but that's a whole other

[42:07] >> It wasn't posted.

[42:08] >> It was emailed out to us, but it's not

[42:10] like on the website for parks.

[42:12] >> It's on reces.

[42:14] >> Oh, okay.

[42:15] >> Yeah.

[42:16] >> All the check there.

[42:17] >> Check all the different fields out on

[42:19] >> Instead, it's just I send like three

[42:20] emails to Trevor going, "What's

[42:22] happening?"

[42:23] >> Yeah. He posts all those schedules off

[42:25] top. Sorry, this is not our commission

[42:28] conversation is on

[42:29] >> it's on recess.

[42:31] >> Okay.

[42:31] >> Yes. All right. Anything else from

[42:35] commissioners?

[42:38] >> Do you know if they're going to the

[42:40] highway department going to talk to like

[42:42] the TNTs about the artwork that they

[42:44] were going to put on?

[42:46] >> Um they visited us once already. I'm not

[42:48] sure. I mean I can if I know they came I

[42:51] mean they talked about it here. Are they

[42:53] going to Southside or any of those

[42:56] neighborhood?

[42:56] >> I don't know. That would be a DOT

[42:58] question. I'm not sure.

[43:02] >> I think

[43:02] >> that's a great question that we've been

[43:04] also asking. I've emailed Joe Driscoll,

[43:07] but um curious

[43:09] >> artwork has been selected.

[43:11] >> I've heard

[43:13] and it's

[43:15] >> it's digital.

[43:16] >> You should look at the meeting when they

[43:17] were here. Um, I want to say that was

[43:20] >> I don't want to put words in their

[43:21] mouth, but they they used in-house

[43:24] graphic designers to produce samp

[43:27] samples

[43:28] >> samples. Bam.

[43:29] >> And then that have themes and then those

[43:31] themes which are, you know,

[43:33] >> the anodogation one was gone.

[43:35] >> Yeah.

[43:35] And then uh people are there

[43:37] there's a there's going to be a public

[43:39] commentary

[43:41] >> on those themes, but then what gets put

[43:43] on the building is just going to be the

[43:47] artwork by those graphic designers. From

[43:49] what I tried to nail them down,

[43:50] >> computerized um

[43:53] >> if you look, they're just like carved in

[43:55] >> designs. So they use the things. But

[43:58] what I was concerning is about what

[44:01] images are they choosing to put up there

[44:03] cuz some of the neighborhood people were

[44:05] asking, you know, who's going to be able

[44:08] to choose.

[44:08] >> I saw a lot of the themes for the Canal

[44:11] um kind of what they have over at the

[44:13] Inner Harbor

[44:14] >> and that's what they did.

[44:16] >> When we asked them on that, it was a

[44:18] pretty like

[44:20] >> we're going to do what we're going to

[44:22] do.

[44:22] >> Yeah. And I said, "Well, can we for the

[44:25] future have conversations about how this

[44:27] commission could recommend

[44:29] >> local artists and how that could then

[44:31] get worked into like I know that um in

[44:34] Arizona artists, 2D artists can submit

[44:37] work and it can get transformed into

[44:40] bias relief. That's a thing that happens

[44:43] regularly

[44:44] >> um in many other public commissions with

[44:47] federal highways. Um, but

[44:51] >> yes,

[44:52] >> we were smiled at and

[44:53] >> yeah, I I would say the what you did of

[44:57] emailing Joe is probably the best and

[45:00] most effective way. Um, and I would just

[45:03] say email him again and keep bugging

[45:05] him.

[45:06] >> Okay.

[45:06] >> Yeah.

[45:07] >> And if you have friends, tell them to

[45:09] bug them, too.

[45:09] >> Yeah.

[45:10] >> All right. Yep.

[45:12] >> Okay. Any

[45:13] >> can I was a

[45:15] >> I am happy that there will be something

[45:17] though.

[45:19] I don't want to to the people recording.

[45:21] I don't want to sound ungrateful for any

[45:22] amount of art that's getting up. I just

[45:25] >> think that there are

[45:26] >> ways

[45:29] to get involved. So, I love painting.

[45:32] So,

[45:33] >> I guess and we want to

[45:36] >> help get our artist in there some

[45:39] transparency.

[45:40] >> I do think that they would that the DOT

[45:43] team would come back and talk to us.

[45:46] Yeah.

[45:46] >> Um, so I don't think that

[45:49] >> I don't think that what's anything is a

[45:51] done deal yet and they said the

[45:53] anodation one was done.

[45:56] >> Sorry.

[45:56] >> The anodation one was done. Their design

[45:59] was they said that one was

[46:01] >> okay.

[46:01] >> I'll just add when they presented at the

[46:03] north side. They presented recently at

[46:05] the north side. I I facilitate TNT

[46:08] meetings on the north side.

[46:10] >> They did listen to what the art

[46:12] commission said and they are trying.

[46:13] They don't have a mechanism to

[46:16] >> they've never really worked with

[46:17] artists, right? They don't have that

[46:19] mechanism. So, they're they're really

[46:20] looking into it.

[46:22] >> That would be a great thing for us to

[46:23] talk about it.

[46:25] >> Like what Saiia said, they're really

[46:26] nice. They have the right intent. I just

[46:28] they don't have the ability to to

[46:31] facilitate. And I think

[46:33] >> I think this project is going to roll on

[46:35] at a pace that they're going to have to

[46:38] build as they go. And that might mean

[46:40] making some

[46:41] >> well and I and I think realistically too

[46:44] this project is what a 10 year in

[46:46] advance project like this is something

[46:48] that will not be this will be the

[46:50] commission we probably may not even all

[46:52] be commissioners by the time these

[46:53] projects are done and by the time that

[46:54] those inks happen. So I think it's just

[46:57] about being patient being open being

[46:59] transparent and that's what we're trying

[47:01] our best to do. And again, I think

[47:03] something that at least myself, but I'm

[47:06] assuming most commissioners, like we

[47:07] want to connect artists to these

[47:09] opportunities. And I think what we're

[47:10] also trying to do is what are some other

[47:12] opportunities specifically with parks as

[47:14] well. Um, I know that's something that

[47:16] Sha and I have talked about is like how

[47:17] can we since we're with parks now, how

[47:20] do we make that more solid of a

[47:21] connection? What does that look like? um

[47:24] into even less permanent things because

[47:26] again these projects that we're talking

[47:28] about are probably going to be there for

[47:30] at least 20 years at least that's what

[47:33] I'm assuming and hoping um so how can we

[47:37] kind of continue to do the other things

[47:38] um so yeah

[47:40] >> the other question is do we even have

[47:42] purview over like a federal highway or when it becomes the 81 business loop

[47:50] does it cease being right it cease cease

[47:52] being federal ederal property and become

[47:54] city property.

[47:55] >> I think some sort of jurisdiction like I

[47:58] keep applying down to Manhattan um and

[48:02] working with some of them. Um I get

[48:05] considered I just haven't done anything

[48:06] yet but um I usually make it to the

[48:09] finalists and

[48:10] >> uh they go somebody else but uh it's for

[48:12] asphalt art and it's also for game

[48:14] ballards all along the highways and

[48:17] freeways. Um, and it seems to be all

[48:20] driven through NY. That's where I apply

[48:23] to the future.

[48:23] >> Yeah.

[48:24] >> Unless it's taken over by a different

[48:26] burrow. Um, I've worked with a few

[48:29] different burrows down there and

[48:31] different people, but it all seems

[48:34] >> Yeah, I think that's something we need

[48:36] to understand.

[48:37] >> The boulevard will be state

[48:39] >> owned.

[48:41] But if the city wants art or trees in

[48:44] the boulevard,

[48:46] >> the city will do the maintenance.

[48:48] >> Yeah.

[48:50] >> New York. There's

[48:50] >> opportunities there.

[48:52] >> I believe so. And again, too, I think

[48:54] >> sculpture

[48:55] >> what we're what we're again we're in a I

[48:58] think Syracuse in general is at a weird

[49:01] like growth period for a lot of

[49:03] different things for businesses, but

[49:04] also for the arts. I think uh I started

[49:07] in 2022 with the commission and how much

[49:10] we've done since then and how much it's

[49:12] just going to continue to grow

[49:13] especially in this new position. So

[49:15] again I think and also thinking about

[49:18] kind of when we come back in January as

[49:20] well of like what are some of those

[49:21] things that we want to maybe push for.

[49:23] Um obviously like we're not going to

[49:25] paint all of 81 in like a year. Um and

[49:28] we may not even have a proposal or an

[49:29] artist in mind for a year. Um, but what

[49:31] are maybe some of those long-term,

[49:33] short-term ideas that we can kind of

[49:35] start putting planting the seeds for

[49:37] moving forward with

[49:38] >> and them putting any artwork on, even

[49:41] the digital stuff, they had nothing

[49:44] planned for the city at all. They had it

[49:47] for DWIT and everything else and if you

[49:49] went to the previous hearings, they had

[49:51] nothing budgeted for the city to get any

[49:54] of that. It was in Dwitz part of their

[49:56] deal that they got the art on it ahead

[49:58] of time. The city had nothing and

[50:01] through those community meetings people

[50:04] complained and said why aren't we

[50:06] getting art as well and they said it has

[50:09] to you also have to watch in the traffic

[50:11] and when they can put it up and what

[50:13] pieces based on traffic flow and

[50:15] dangerous because if people's eyes go to

[50:18] >> looking at the beautiful stuff

[50:20] >> I would go back to the best person to

[50:22] talk to about all this is Joe

[50:24] >> Joe Driscoll this kind of goes out of

[50:26] our purview as a a volunteer commission

[50:29] as well. And again, we're here to kind

[50:31] of support and assist artists in these

[50:34] initiatives, make sure that they're in

[50:35] the best public interest, but again,

[50:37] some of these bigger things kind of are

[50:38] out of our purview.

[50:40] >> But the good news is it's still good

[50:43] time to get involved. It's not like done

[50:46] yet. And because we're having this kind

[50:48] of weird explosive growth and there

[50:50] isn't

[50:51] sometimes it is good to not have the

[50:53] rules yet because they're looking to

[50:57] grab people. So

[50:58] >> emailing and try to attend some of the

[51:01] community meetings and speak up so that

[51:04] and tell anyone else any local artists

[51:07] you know to be doing that because I

[51:08] think that's going to create the

[51:10] momentum and we're going to continue and

[51:12] maybe have more meetings with the 81

[51:13] people. Um and then they'll that'll

[51:16] they'll understand that this is what the

[51:18] community wants. Um

[51:21] >> right.

[51:22] >> Thank you very Thank you.

[51:25] Do I hear a motion to adjurnn?

[51:29] >> Sure.

[51:30] >> Yeah. I'll motion to adjurnn.

[51:31] >> Motion, Sophia. Second.

[51:33] >> Second, Lisa. All in favor? Yay. We're

[51:37] out.

[51:39] >> Thank you all for being here.

[51:40] >> Uh 610. Yeah.

[51:48] » Each budget has two.

[51:50] >> Yes. I see your

[51:52] >> message on Facebook.

[51:53] >> Yes. Um, would anybody like

[52:03] Yeah.

Syracuse Public Art Commission Meeting - Tuesday December 9th, 2025

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