[0:03] appreciate all the equipment.

[0:29] I used to have calendar.

[0:48] Yes.

[1:07] » Did you see me and my son wasn't married?

[1:12] They took a picture of myself drinking that sent it to the guys.

[1:20] My second

[1:35] [Music]

[1:39] stand

[1:47] of the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisibley

[1:54] and justice for all.

[2:19] I don't know what to do with it.

[2:29] » Notice

[2:32] public

[2:39] Mr. >> Mr.

[2:42] » Yes.

[2:46] » Mr. Corgenda

[2:52] item. These are the items that are on the agenda.

[2:57] The state addressed

[3:18] a number of pictures and problems that were going on.

[3:26] director

[3:31] say there today I saw some soccer there And I'm very happy to see that

[3:58] we reorganized in January. The first resolution we passed resolution

[4:04] which is adopting Robert's order for the meeting. I'm

[4:08] going to read what the rules are so you know what behavior expects

[4:19] the open provides the public with an opportunity

[4:22] to comside.

[4:34] body

[4:38] issues that a member of the public concern.

[4:45] public.

[4:49] [Music]

[5:02] [Music]

[5:34] I'm not going to interrupt you.

[5:41] [Applause] the door

[5:51] out there. [Applause]

[5:54] » Open the door. >> On your hands

[5:59] on your hands.

[6:04] » You open the door. Open these doors. >> Capacity.

[6:10] » Everybody deserves to hear what's going on.

[6:12] » We open. >> We don't hear you outside.

[6:22] » She hiding. >> She's hiding. Where she at?

[6:32] You people do not behave.

[6:41] » You ought to resign. You ought to resign. You're disgrace.

[6:46] [Applause] You're going through chemo. Get out of

[6:58] here. >> I make a motion. Calm down.

[7:04] We can't hear anybody.

[7:08] [Music] >> You don't do anything.

[7:14] » You do nothing. >> You're doing it in close session. So,

[7:17] nobody knows about it. We don't know about it till we talk about it.

[7:22] » You're all corrupt.

[7:26] » Thank you. >> You're all corrupt.

[7:30] Good job.

[7:39] » Come on. >> No reason.

[7:48] » You shouldn't be on the committee.

[7:55] You're going to take your

[7:59] cash break. [Music]

[8:14] [Music]

[8:24] They they they knew what was going to happen and they ch and they ch and they

[8:29] chose to do it. They knew how many people they should have had this

[8:36] open.

[8:55] [Music]

[9:01] But you know what it is.

[9:25] They are the red

[9:30] [Applause]

[9:48] is

[10:15] You're not the only one.

[10:46] Oh my god.

[11:00] probably

[11:16] [Music] I may or may not

[11:44] my my husband in 2014 in a very serious vehicle accident.

[11:50] Um he trooper

[11:56] trauma um overnight he had multiple injuries.

[12:05] Um the way home I felt good. Thank God for I felt good and um EMS was there too

[12:14] and I want to

[12:25] Okay.

[12:29] When a cardiac arrest

[12:39] and other vital

[12:46] [Music]

[12:56] Chances are

[13:03] none of us have

[13:10] a family that is in healthare.

[13:27] Oh my.

[13:32] [Applause]

[13:52] » Everyone cooperates. We will listen to you. We want to hear from you. But if

[13:56] not, the meeting will be terminated if the list continues.

[14:02] So, it's up to you. >> Blood's on your hand. Thank you.

[14:04] » We will terminate the meeting and we'll be happy to schedule another meeting to

[14:09] hear your concerns. But for tonight, we have business we need to take care,

[14:13] including listening to you.

[14:27] And they are in the back. If anyone wants a copy of them,

[14:31] » we're going to go back to public. Anything on the agenda that you want to

[14:37] comment on, please come forward and address.

[14:54] [Applause]

[15:04] Good evening, Mayor.

[15:16] Can you turn off township? Currently 106 road is included

[15:21] and I believe it's supposed to be 106 roads. Please confirm otherwise

[15:27] accurate address for transparency. Second, items about 2025-105.

[15:33] While most positions received 3% across the board, some key roles did not,

[15:38] including the fire inspector, the DPW part-time labor and snow cloud driver as

[15:44] well as utility one supervisor clarify the reasons behind these exceptions.

[15:50] Additionally, I want to highlight that there's someone making $75 per hour that

[15:54] pays $156,000 annually if they were full-time staff.

[15:58] While I believe compensation is important and to retain qualified

[16:03] personnel, it's also important to consider the impact of township budget.

[16:07] Regarding sub officials, I know that there's an increase from 2787 to $555

[16:12] per hour. That's a 97.3%

[16:19] determining such an adjustment. Third, community

[16:25] engagement. I'd like to personally thank all the residents who attended the

[16:28] housing of the two new township fire apparatus on August 23rd. It was a great

[16:32] turnout and a true testament to what we could uh achieve. The township committee

[16:37] and fire officers work together. Events like this strengthen the community bonds

[16:42] and showcase the value of collaboration. Fourth, the RFP of the architectural

[16:47] services repurpose 134 wrote in 134. Could the committee explain the scope of

[16:54] this RFP? How detailed will the plan be for repurposing the facility? Uh how

[17:00] much does the committee anticipate being comfortable with spending on this

[17:04] project? Clear guidance on this will help the residents understand the

[17:07] township's attention and financial planning regarding the capital budget

[17:13] recommended fire department utility truck.

[17:16] Can the committee clarify whether these items have been removed from the budget

[17:19] and if so the reasoning behind that decision? Transparency on these items is

[17:23] important for residents to understand the priorities and strength of budget.

[17:27] Finally, your terms on the budget, I don't believe they are correct. If you

[17:31] guys go back, I think it's page one, your terms for when you are elected

[17:35] officials through three years. I don't think they're correct.

[17:45] Anyone

[17:48] else?

[18:26] I'm commenting on the RFP for architectural services

[18:34] regarding old town hall the for

[18:40] rehabilitation.

[18:43] I like discussion as to what you mean by rehabilitation. The scope of the work

[18:49] for all the town hall has always been stated as being extremely broad. We know

[18:54] that as a culturally important building, but as a historically historical

[19:00] building, it's pretty comprom. All of the work to date for that

[19:07] building.

[19:11] [Music]

[19:28] I would appreciate hearing your discussion what your plans for

[19:35] what the scope of that work might be.

[19:49] They wanted

[19:59] to

[20:03] know

[20:09] the right

[20:12] proposals to reuse that building or repurpose that building in the solution

[20:17] of oldtown.

[20:20] other building needs. So this is all new

[20:29] and what that restoration rehabilitation might

[20:41] not is no longer a consideration focus on the ESD. I don't think that's well

[20:48] here, but I'd like to hear what you have to say. I want to know where you stand

[20:54] as a whole

[21:02] know.

[21:11] What's up

[21:16] [Applause] Hold it high. Hold it.

[21:42] » My name is Nichla with 15 Boulevard. Mayor, your He ran against on honest,

[21:48] open, transparent government. >> Yes, this is with the RP of the

[21:52] building. >> Answers to residents questions,

[21:56] concerns, not thank you for your comments. You're all here wanting

[21:59] answers. It is deeply disappointing, even tragic. The elected official move

[22:04] to stay home with emergency service agency serviced me for over seven years.

[22:09] And to do it with such little transparency and respect for our

[22:12] community volunteers who dedicate their lives to serving it.

[22:16] um not getting a termination notice and no sign content replacement that is not

[22:21] responsible leadership mayor bar in the interview of the pine tribute you say

[22:25] that you have every confidence in proposing the suspect that April 11

[22:30] for municipalities and other officials you said and I quote as elected

[22:34] officials who have responsibility to provide service to our residents well I

[22:38] ask you how is cancelelling TR's contract signed agreement for their

[22:42] replacement fulfillment I'm responsibility. How do we make community

[22:47] without a guaranteed 24/7 DMS provider show responsible governance? To many of

[22:51] us, it's going to look like a lack of leadership and transparency and perhaps

[22:55] a hidden agenda to create up state for funds for a new council building. Hence

[22:59] the lower emergency service subcommittee, a group

[23:04] supposedly formed to assess this transition only once before making this

[23:09] drastic decision. one is not engaging with a formality.

[23:14] The main uh justification you guys have for the action of TRS is that written

[23:18] that was 30% of calls in the first two quarters of 2025. The TRS August 256

[23:24] statement clearly says what led to the statistics and provides a level of

[23:28] accountability and transparency that has been completely absent from our township

[23:33] government throughout this process. If you haven't seen it, I urge you to go to

[23:37] Facebook to read their post. And here's the most pressing question. How is it

[23:41] going to improve response time or coverage? Southampton manager, I'm

[23:47] sorry, can tell the public that they do not

[23:50] have the capacity to provide 24/7 coverage to both Shong and Tabernacle.

[23:54] Lumberton does not cover 100% of their calls either. That's why mutual aid

[23:57] agreements exist. Instead of abruptly dispanding TRS and destabilizing

[24:01] emergency services in the process, why not work with them? Why not strengthen

[24:05] their staffing improvement aid agreement and investment is good and safe our

[24:09] community has history experience and local

[24:13] commitment the kind of community based service can't just be replaced with a

[24:17] spreadsheet promise we deserve better deserves better and the volunteers have

[24:23] served this township selflessly for decades deserve better far more respect

[24:26] from all you guys have shown that

[24:41] com items.

[24:46] » These are agenda items.

[24:56] about

[25:00] anything else.

[25:05] 134 New Road. >> I'm Juliani. I'm actually a res and I'm

[25:12] one of the residents that this will impact because this doesn't just impact

[25:16] tabernacle. It impacts Shimon. It impacts Medford. It impacts South Camp.

[25:22] This careless decision impacts five schools that serve 2400 students. Do you

[25:30] want to know

[25:35] students with food allergies? Medical intervention is 30 minutes to death with

[25:40] anoplastic shock. You want to limit to one ambulance based on the plans that

[25:45] have officially been released.

[25:50] Make it sense. >> Three ambulances were dispatched to the

[25:53] 206 accident in Aion Lake. >> You want to go down to one ambulance?

[25:58] Who else will respond? East, they're 30 minutes away. Medford, they're 20.

[26:04] Medford lakes are 15 20 depending on location. Southampton and Lumberton 30

[26:09] minutes. I don't see anybody in private medical vehicles out here. I go into Mar

[26:14] and Medford all the time. It'll take six months before I see a private virtual

[26:18] paramedic truck. What do you want? Try care virtual Capitol Hill who responded

[26:23] to Peterson. Tabernacle is the only Tabernacle rescue squad is the only

[26:29] squad in the county with stern equipment. You want to take that away?

[26:35] What is wrong with you? What edgy headed?

[26:40] [Applause] Because I'm 23. I'm a graduate of Senica

[26:52] from 2020. T arrest responded to my accident on Old Mills Road. I had the

[26:57] big truck with the chief and m knowing Mr. Canard from Senica could respond to

[27:03] that accident. You're asking teachers to not respond to their own students.

[27:09] Where is the logic in that? Where is the logic in having people who don't know

[27:14] their students respond?

[27:18] And so be it on your head if the student dies because of this, negligent, gross

[27:24] overreach. I hope you're happy with yourselves. And

[27:29] if you are, shame on you for every single decision, for making this

[27:34] absolute corrupt decision. Shame on you for every single

[27:41] [Applause]

[27:49] You look at me like you're bored. Like you don't want to be here. You skipped

[27:53] your meeting in August. Were you going to skip this one? You You

[27:57] went immediately into executive session. None of us thought you were even going

[28:00] to come back out. So make your transparency because early you don't

[28:04] give a [Applause]

[28:22] What more do you need to hear? >> Nobody

[28:27] decision. >> What if it was your family?

[28:38] information.

[28:45] Was there any combination of discussions between the emergency services and the

[28:50] township? I think there's a lot of concern about

[28:55] whether

[29:14] What was the substance of that?

[29:23] How were the people represent the public? Obviously, you

[29:28] guys can only public. How were those people chosen?

[29:32] What the level of expertise. Do we have someone who has a background in

[29:37] emergency services in the medical world to be able to bring expertise

[29:43] on everything, but we should be picking people who are experts that have part of

[29:47] that discussion and to represent our community. So I would like some

[29:51] substantial information so that the members of the public

[29:56] understand the thought process and then we can agree or disagree. And I suspect

[30:01] that we're going to have concerned about

[30:06] what was discussion. How many times did you emergency services

[30:13] how much did you engage with other emergency services

[30:18] [Applause] from the public?

[30:40] I believe there's going to be a presentation later

[30:45] on.

[31:16] My big concern with this transition of there is a 35minut response time from

[31:25] the furthest point to the furthest What I'm hearing is you're looking at

[31:31] Southampton that's going to come in and assist

[31:36] Southampton has one ambulance 247.

[31:43] There is no other volunteers there to answer second grade.

[31:49] We have a hard enough time getting to the hospital based on our location here.

[31:55] Someone talked about that's Horrible, horrible situation. But my other

[32:00] question is to they provide service football

[32:10] to provide an ambulance to

[32:16] football field just standby. So what happens to all those people? I'm very

[32:21] very very concerned about the time frame to get an ambulance when there isn't a

[32:26] dedicated station 247

[32:32] doesn't

[32:36] answer the call which is quite frequent by the time they get back down here

[32:41] something

[32:45] I I think there has to be a better solution to this impacting the lives of

[32:50] every I have a child who's bad allergies. God help me if he goes into

[32:54] an wind up in my car and pray the whole way to the hospital. I'm going to get

[32:59] him there in time. I'm not going to get a time frame to another

[33:10] of multiple tabernacle. tabernacle.

[33:18] None of these organizations have enough staff to supply extra cost. The whole

[33:25] volume is going down, ladies and gentlemen. It is going up and up and up.

[33:33] [Applause]

[33:56] You got to speak up. We have to speak up.

[34:00] I live across the street from Tourette's. Sometimes

[34:08] with Tourette's um this is not the same for everybody but

[34:13] [Music] medical diagnosis. So sometimes when I

[34:18] get sick

[34:21] I get locked in my own body. I cannot move. I cannot talk.

[34:27] It is scary having to wait.

[34:38] It feels like hours.

[34:45] » Are you guys listening?

[34:56] » People should not have to wait. when they are scared, when they don't know

[35:01] what's happening.

[35:05] That's all I

[35:19] should be familiar with showing up, not so

[35:26] you trust

[35:30] Tim

[35:36] and the assistant chief of the emergency

[35:43] respond

[35:51] for the task

[36:02] I'm here tonight.

[36:07] Okay. What you're doing does not justffect

[36:10] affect

[36:14] [Music]

[36:20] [Music]

[36:24] You're an undurcri

[36:44] sit up there and I don't know, ignore people.

[36:51] [Applause] for you. You owe them a

[36:58] » service.

[37:03] [Applause]

[37:15] portion of the meeting

[37:20] on agenda item. You're welcome to >> this should be the agenda.

[37:31] » Excuse me. It's a violation of follow agenda.

[37:39] So why don't you just

[38:03] com

[38:07] expecting the state police to pick up the emergency squad because I don't see

[38:14] them represented here and I'll tell you everything. They don't have the

[38:19] equipment. They don't have they cannot give injections to save a life.

[38:26] What are you thinking? I spent 22 years in the US Army before I came here

[38:37] » again. This is on agenda items. You have comment on agenda items. Now is the time

[38:43] to talk about that agenda items. If you have a general comment, it will be later

[38:48] in the meeting. >> There wasn't enough agendas on agenda

[38:51] items. >> Can we have an example of some of the

[38:52] agenda items?

[39:07] This is a question.

[39:38] how much you're willing to spend building

[39:42] all of our money for the purpose of

[39:47] emergency

[39:51] options that would be better for us.

[40:03] [Applause]

[40:37] Why

[40:44] you guys don't own that building? We [Applause]

[41:02] that building. There's no reason to authorize that building.

[41:11] [Applause]

[41:17] You got trailers. Oh, the trailers

[41:25] instead of rent. We got buildings around here that could be

[41:32] purchased much less expense than an

[41:40] actual rec.

[41:47] And our voices will be heard. [Applause]

[42:11] Mr.

[42:15] » We got another one. >> Got another one.

[42:24] » You missed the meeting in August. You got to listen.

[42:27] » That's right. >> Got to listen.

[42:39] Mr.

[42:56] » Yes. Number four. My name's Ryan. I'm new to the area and

[43:03] I'm hoping and I want to thank the principal

[43:07] years and I have a question about what is all this about

[43:16] the resolved

[43:23] I'd like to know my time to explain that to me.

[43:33] [Music]

[43:51] Mr. >> Mr.

[43:54] Mr. Oiler

[44:10] April 28.

[44:14] » We can't hear a word.

[44:19] » We can't hear you.

[44:34] Mr. Fragusky. >> Yes.

[44:37] » Mr. Oiler. >> Yes.

[44:38] » Deputy Mayor McCor.

[44:45] » Please speak up.

[44:51] Submission to build 10,680,240

[44:57] 18

[45:03] » Mr. Musky. >> Yes.

[45:06] » Mr. Oiler. >> Yes.

[45:07] » Deputy Mayor McDonald. >> Yes. Mayor Harden.

[45:09] » Yes. >> New business and discussion items.

[45:13] Brunson County is seeking preliminary approval of an eastern purchase that

[45:16] requires no This is for the farm east and west

[45:25] » Mr. McCloski.

[45:28] » Yes, >> Mr. Oiler.

[45:29] » Yes,

[45:34] » RFP for architectural services for the repurpose of new road and rehabilitation

[45:39] of street road.

[45:55] I would like to discuss

[46:07] what is what is it for you?

[46:29] They're looking to table that resolution for further debate while they gather

[46:33] more information and report on it.

[46:39] » We have a second on that motion. Mr.

[46:44] Musky >> Mr.

[46:48] Mayor

[46:52] » request for tabernacle rescue squad to place temporary signs in the public

[46:56] right away.

[47:09] in the past. I don't know if they gave you parameters on it, but this is my

[47:13] first day back. Um, you did have I think it was second, you did ask for certain

[47:18] things not being a sight line. Um, I don't know.

[47:24] » They can't put anything, >> right? Some people don't realize that or

[47:30] understand that. I don't know if you want me to put that

[47:37] property >> typically

[47:47] under

[47:57] sign. There's a large signific

[48:21] location. It does not say how many signs, but I

[48:24] can certainly put that in there.

[48:31] [Applause]

[48:51] Yes, we did. >> So, Mr.

[48:55] » Moski, yes. >> Mr.

[49:05] [Music] Um, okay. 2025 capital budget. Nothing

[49:10] has changed from when we presented the budget to you back in April. Um, so what

[49:16] we had on there, I just want to know for a bond or to get the authorization

[49:22] of the debt. Um, rebate board park security um I'm

[49:29] sorry that fire police utility truck for that was requested pickup truck related

[49:35] equipment for OEM utility tax vehicle for OEM was requested three ros

[49:46] for public works with the year um we're going to be able to reduce that amount

[49:51] 90,000 originally by 8900 that we'll be able to use community

[49:56] grant money and we'll also sell the 4400 which we discussed at the time of the

[50:01] budget. So we will be getting rid of piece of equipment for that as well

[50:18] » yes >> Mr. Oiler

[50:19] » yes >> Mayor McDonald

[50:23] » and I have a couple things just as the administrator if you don't mind. Um the

[50:28] county announced two shredding events. Uh they're going to be September 21st uh

[50:32] this year at November 2nd from 9:00 a.m. to 100 p.m. at the DC building.

[50:39] And then uh we were awarded $125,000 for the 2025 county art improvement

[50:46] project for relocating field number two at Patty Boer and additional parking lot

[50:52] where field number two I believe at the moment. So this will be a phase project

[50:59] we have estimated,000 project. We're only getting 125. So

[51:04] we'll start the project. We'll do what we can. Um if the county again next

[51:10] year. We'll put I'll also include the budget in case

[51:15] this is the first time in five years the county has offered this grand money and

[51:19] if I had not put the reimbursement of the 2020 mal grant that prior

[51:25] administrations had not done the reimbursement for we would not been

[51:30] approved for this. So we had $161,500 sitting out there that paid for and

[51:36] didn't bother to get the reimbursement. So that work was filed and the money's

[51:41] already

[52:01] Uh this is for consent agenda resolutions. There is no ordinance for

[52:05] second reading resolution 2025-104 emergency permit for members of the

[52:12] tabernacle fire department.

[52:16] Resolution 2025105 approval of 2025 salaries for employees

[52:23] and officials for various positions. Resolution 2025106

[52:27] resolution of tabernacle county Burlington state of New Jersey

[52:32] authorizing the sale of surplus property by open public auction in accordance

[52:36] with NJSA 3812-13 and NJAC 534-59

[52:44] resolution 2025107 appointment township health broker and

[52:49] of contractor professional services resolution 2025108

[52:54] Appointment of administrative assistant Maline Ford. Resolution 2025109

[52:59] authorized membership and individual mutual aid and assistance agreement with

[53:04] participating units. Resolution 2025- 110 authorized cancellation of certain

[53:11] property taxes to a 100% totally disabled veteran exemption. Resolution

[53:17] 2025 1112 and 113 are also for authorization cancellation of property

[53:24] tax 100% totally disabled veteran exemption. Mayor, if you'd like, I can

[53:31] answer a couple of those questions if you'd like and we're asking the public.

[53:36] Um, if I remember them all correctly, the sub code officials, we have two sub

[53:40] code officials in this township is Mr. Boyd and uh Mr. Bowley. If either one of

[53:46] them are out for a sick, meaning an extended sick more than a week's time or

[53:52] a vacation, we have to hire a sub code from the outside. No sub codes are

[53:57] coming in for the 2782 is posted in our ordinance. So, we have raised that $55

[54:03] to try and get people to serve when um there was a question about the

[54:10] $75 an hour. That's the parttime position is when I was out. Um, we have

[54:15] to have a clerk. So, that was necessary. That is not something that would be a

[54:20] full-time position at any time. Um does anyone remember any other questions

[54:26] » related to that ordinance or resolution

[54:33] driver and all and part-time laborers are seasonal employees they

[54:44] director position was moved to the front page they're an exemped

[54:49] as an hour so I tax for them all. You can see me

[54:54] after the meeting. I'm happy to get an answer for you.

[54:59] » That's because we had a vacancy in the position and we'll have a brand new um

[55:03] employee starting and we don't want them to be the same employee uh hourly rate

[55:07] as somebody who's already been here for more than a year.

[55:11] » Thank you for reminding me. And uh we'll fix that road in the actual resolution.

[55:18] Thanks for bringing that to our attention. I believe that answer.

[55:26] » Oh, we'll fix that as well. We had asked for that and um

[55:40] » Mr. >> Yes.

[55:42] » Miss McCloskey. >> Yes.

[55:44] » Mr. Oiler. >> Yes.

[55:46] » Mayor McDonald. >> Yes. Mayor

[55:51] » we have an application for research fruit and vegetable for a fall festival.

[55:55] Again, this is making you aware of it. It was sent off to any um department

[56:02] that services were requested.

[56:07] Do you have any questions or concerns on the activity? Thank you. Administrator

[56:12] over report is attached to the agenda. Uh the monthly miscellaneous funs

[56:17] collected were $32,499. Tax collector for July 25 receipts

[56:23] $71,287.

[56:27] I'm just going to add in that the tax bills are getting mailed out tomorrow

[56:32] and they are available in the whip system. Uh no report engineers no

[56:37] report. Do you have anything this evening?

[56:44] EMS report

[56:49] get online recreation director we don't have a report but I know he's here does

[56:54] he have anything >> thank you public works director

[57:00] submitted the report part of the packet and online subcommittee reports I was

[57:04] just told there are nothing um committee comments Mr.

[57:09] Thank you. >> Yes.

[57:13] » Okay.

[57:25] » So, I wanted to give you a subcommittee

[57:31] I wanted to give you a subcommittee presentation. I want you to know that

[57:36] the subcommittee is made up of Dave Boer, Kathy Crane, and myself for the

[57:41] emergency services.

[57:45] For those of you that don't know me, I've lived with this counsel since 1976.

[57:52] I have been a teacher at Senica for over 20 years. I've been a part of the

[57:56] Tabernacle Women's Association for at least 18 years. I've done hundreds of

[58:01] community service projects in this county.

[58:05] But what's probably more important

[58:12] is that the path that we took was not the path that I expected or the results

[58:17] that I expected for myself. Some of you may know that n and a half years ago, my

[58:23] daughter was in a quad accident three houses down from my home with a friend.

[58:32] And at that time I was the third person on the scene. I

[58:39] was having a haircuthead of our times and got the phone call that she had been

[58:45] in an accident from my husband's friend. When I got to the accident,

[58:51] it was pretty bad. Um, but thankfully

[58:56] shortly after that TRS showed up and I think there were two

[59:03] ambulances. I'm not sure. Things are a little hazy, but three very familiar

[59:08] faces got out of that ambulance.

[59:13] And it was those familiar faces that one of them called in and airlift

[59:20] immediately. And because they move so quickly,

[59:25] they save my daughter's life. And I do I will admit that and I will be grateful

[59:31] to them for the rest of my life. But n and a half years ago, it was a

[59:38] different TRS and I need to just provide you and share

[59:43] with you the information that we found along the way.

[59:52] Let her talk. >> So if you please opportunity just share

[59:56] the data.

[1:00:03] » You should be on the committee.

[1:00:13] We're gonna I just want to share with you a little bit about the efficiency,

[1:00:17] the knowledge that we had to to learn the things that

[1:00:22] nobody can see that.

[1:00:31] » So I just want to share a little

[1:00:34] information on the efficiency, the knowledge base. the agreements we

[1:00:39] learned, the subcommittee, the current situation, the emergency services

[1:00:45] subcommittee process, all uh information you've been asking.

[1:00:55] Our charge as a committee subcommittee is to determine efficiency of all

[1:01:00] tabernacle emergency services. Changes in volunteerism and volunteerism

[1:01:07] as per Our provider discussion in February cited our former members who

[1:01:13] were recruited by other paid agencies as TRS remain one of the few volunteer

[1:01:18] agencies until December 31st of 2024 which led to members leaving paid for

[1:01:24] pay positions elsewhere. So we started that discussion un understanding what

[1:01:30] was happening. We had to look at what was going on

[1:01:34] postco. The Burlington County standards, the needs of you in our community, the

[1:01:39] loss of community fundraisers, higher equipment costs, the need to focus on

[1:01:44] paid employment. We came into the position of committee needing

[1:01:48] information which led us to learning a lot about our emergency services.

[1:02:00] Some of the things that we learned I just want to take a few seconds to share

[1:02:04] because I heard someone say something about response time and what I learned

[1:02:09] and we learned on committee was that we also re we receive services that fall

[1:02:14] into about three different categories municipal category like our fire

[1:02:19] department health system such as virtua and we know we already talked about that

[1:02:24] paramedics have to come all the way from virtua and private such as TRS virtual

[1:02:30] opposed to financial statements as a nonprofit, but they give us advanced

[1:02:34] life support through their paramedics. They respond to those life-threatening

[1:02:38] cases from a call. ESAM, Hampton Lakes, Lumberton, Medford,

[1:02:45] and TRS all provide us with basic life support,

[1:02:50] and they support each other through mutual aid.

[1:02:54] Mutual aid is very important because if an agency has limited staffing and uses

[1:03:00] mutual aid, this can be very taxing on our mutual aid partners that have larger

[1:03:06] call volumes. Response time, and this is something I

[1:03:10] learned, is the amount of time from the dispatch from central until the time the

[1:03:16] ambulance leaves the building. So, how the system works is 911 call

[1:03:22] comes in to dispatch and it goes to the closest station that has reported a crew

[1:03:28] is available for that time period. That crew has eight minutes

[1:03:35] or two to four minute taps to respond, which is way too much. Who said that?

[1:03:40] Someone out here said that. That's way too much time. If no response, it goes

[1:03:45] to the next closest EMS provider that has reported a crew. And our chiefs of

[1:03:50] each of the town, um, they're responsible to Paul and

[1:03:57] so

[1:04:00] this is just some information that we learned.

[1:04:06] Like I said, we went over mutual aid. Um, no crew or partial crew. That was a

[1:04:15] a learning experience for me. Um, no crew. And partial crew can't go out

[1:04:21] because we need two people in an ambulance to send an ambulance out.

[1:04:27] » Response time is a little different than what I thought it was. I thought it was

[1:04:31] from the time they get the call to the time they show up at the house with the

[1:04:36] or the location of the emergency, but that's not it. And then for DM EMTs, um

[1:04:42] they explained to me these are members of the squad.

[1:04:47] Um and usually that's a part-time situation.

[1:04:52] I'm sorry if some of you noticed it was just news. It was a learning experience

[1:04:57] here. So, our EMS providers,

[1:05:06] our EMS providers need two certified people to be on an ambulance, but

[1:05:12] they're not required in our agreement

[1:05:17] with TRS to run from the building. And they don't all come from the building.

[1:05:23] If they have to drive to the building on new road and then come to your

[1:05:26] residence, that increases response time, which can impact patient outcomes.

[1:05:32] Now, our building that we all pay for with our taxes

[1:05:38] houses, it's capable of housing six ambulances, a rescue truck, an off-road

[1:05:44] capable vehicle, the boat. Also, sleeping people and fully functioning

[1:05:50] kitchen and showering quarters among other amenities and rooms for the use of

[1:05:57] our emergency services providers.

[1:06:07] So this is something else we found out in 2022.

[1:06:11] TRS went into an agreement with lees [Music]

[1:06:20] is TRS tabernac was implemented to reduce the daytime

[1:06:25] workload on TRS volunteers and to improve night and weekend staffing.

[1:06:30] availability. Why is this important?

[1:06:34] Because if you made a call during the day, which is the higher volume time

[1:06:41] between April of 2022 and December of 2024,

[1:06:48] you were assisted by lees because still in 2024, there was a

[1:06:55] continued concern that our current providers were missing. approximately

[1:07:00] 300 of the 820 something calls at night and on the weekends.

[1:07:07] This was not all on other calls.

[1:07:13] Some of these were no staffing available and Hampton Lakes Medford and PJM shared

[1:07:19] the handling of the calls

[1:07:28] at point in 2024, TRS began merger discussions with Hampton Lakes Emergency

[1:07:34] Services. TRS results were still wavering. They

[1:07:39] were still having problems with staffing.

[1:07:44] This is not a dig. This is reality. TRS was still failing to dispatch an

[1:07:51] ambulance over 300 times for the 824 calls at night and on the

[1:07:57] weekend. According to the records, our review shows there was no staffing

[1:08:01] available to staff the ambulance in most of those cases. Hampton Lakes covered

[1:08:07] many of these calls with mutual aid support from Medford and EAM.

[1:08:13] TRS began discussions with the other providers. It was a great idea.

[1:08:17] Unfortunately, they could not find an agency that would partner with them. And

[1:08:22] on December 31st of 2024, without an agreement to cover our residents, they

[1:08:28] dismissed Lumberton, which had been taking care of

[1:08:32] our residents during the day from April of 24 or April of 22 to December of

[1:08:39] 2024. They made presentations to townships,

[1:08:44] but it didn't work out. And then they said the agreement before they had

[1:08:50] another agreement.

[1:09:00] » So what did we do? We evaluated the current providers results.

[1:09:06] We met with other Burlington County EMS agencies and township leadership. We met

[1:09:11] with Burlington County Central. We reviewed quarterly reports and compared

[1:09:16] to month's quarterly reports which should be identical.

[1:09:21] Report comparisons. We evaluated potential shared service

[1:09:26] agreements with surrounding townships. We looked at private ambulance companies

[1:09:30] and got quotes from them. And we evaluated other provider results from

[1:09:34] their service in Tabernacle and Shimon.

[1:09:46] In February, we met with TRF. At that time, they assured the

[1:09:54] subcommittee they had active financial resources to start paying members, but

[1:09:58] would eventually need financial support from the township. So, they knew this

[1:10:03] was happening. They knew they were going to need

[1:10:06] financial support. to maintain or even contribute to a

[1:10:12] larger staffing concern.

[1:10:18] » It's happening all over. Volunteerism is is not doing the work that needs to

[1:10:25] be done. We all are working other jobs and have other commitments and we

[1:10:30] understand that. We asked TRS leadership if we could have schedules and a plan

[1:10:36] for upcoming months. We asked for a list of volunteers

[1:10:41] » which we did get a list of volunteers and many on that list are working for

[1:10:45] other EMS service providers. We asked for plans for staffing and in

[1:10:52] March we emailed leadership to find out the status.

[1:10:56] We did have an email that they're currently

[1:11:00] um working and they found uh one uh staff member that they could put on. Um

[1:11:08] they recently said they established a new hiring committee to oversee the

[1:11:12] recruitment process as this became a priority only at the start of the year.

[1:11:17] But they knew staffing was a concern from 2022.

[1:11:26] So what are some of the concerns?

[1:11:32] » What we also learned is that the 2024 report

[1:11:38] every miss call was in one category. Categories include mutual aid response,

[1:11:46] no crew, and partial crew.

[1:11:52] But they were all one together in mutual aid.

[1:11:56] This particular way of organizing was an internal metric and Shimong realized

[1:12:02] what was happening and asked TRS to begin separating

[1:12:08] the miss into the proper categories.

[1:12:15] You can see some of the information we found out through this

[1:12:22] responded to the bulk of calls in the nights and weekends in 2024. They

[1:12:28] responded to 147 in tabernacle

[1:12:32] ales crews operated from the station on new road. So sometimes if you had a 911

[1:12:40] call in 2022, 2023 or 2024, they may have showed up to your home

[1:12:48] in a TRS ambulance, but it was lees that was doing the staffing.

[1:12:59] A little bit of comparison, CRS's 2024 year end results, 824 dispatches or But

[1:13:07] approximately 330 calls were missed because of no crew.

[1:13:12] Now somebody said earlier we talked about response time.

[1:13:17] The response time someone said on a Facebook post that

[1:13:23] somebody else sent to me because I don't read the Facebook post. They sent it to

[1:13:27] me and someone had said about three minutes or longer in any type of cardiac

[1:13:34] arrest is it it just doesn't work. It's not you're

[1:13:40] not going to be able to save a person. So when we looked at the response times

[1:13:44] that TRS gave us, we were looking at 2 minutes, which is great, 44%.

[1:13:52] 2 to four minutes, then it starts to climb and at 6 to 8 minutes, 30%. That

[1:13:58] was their response time. >> So what does that say?

[1:14:04] » Where are they? So that's and and I I'm glad you said that because that's not

[1:14:10] what response time is. According to Burlington County Central, response time

[1:14:15] is the time the call goes out to let's say Hampton Lakes

[1:14:23] » and the ambulance responds that they're on the way.

[1:14:26] » Two different things. >> Two different things.

[1:14:29] » 500 calls. >> Quiet,

[1:14:30] » right? >> No, don't quite me.

[1:14:32] » So I just need you to understand that because that was I I had no idea that

[1:14:42] the time that the call goes out and the ambulance leaves the building.

[1:14:48] » They were volunteers in 2024. They're paid out.

[1:14:51] » Excuse me. Can I I have something to say. Go ahead.

[1:14:55] » Just take over. >> So TR2

[1:15:02] » they had 5,000 hours staff with the duty crew for calls. But when we did the the

[1:15:09] numbers, there were 8,600 hours of duty time.

[1:15:14] So these other hours, and these are the numbers they gave us, means there's no

[1:15:19] duty crew. This was their major reports. These were

[1:15:24] their response times based on the numbers.

[1:15:34] So TRS nor the committee and this is important.

[1:15:39] TRS nor the committee. We tried TRS nor the committee would

[1:15:47] find any agencies that were willing to partner with them.

[1:15:53] 20 2025 results as presented to the committee showed little improvement.

[1:15:59] And this is with anti Now, TRS has known since 2022 there was a concern with

[1:16:07] providing the consistent patient care due to staffing. And to date, while they

[1:16:14] are responding to more calls, they're not all responding from the station.

[1:16:19] Home response is an accepted practice which increases time to get to the

[1:16:25] patients in our community. The committee recognized this long history of success.

[1:16:30] I recognize nine and a half years ago.

[1:16:35] I recognize the success. I've been here for over 50 years,

[1:16:41] but this not the same TRS TRS.

[1:16:50] » They're better for our residents. That's what's

[1:16:57] Shame on you. >> For the helicopter, for your daughter,

[1:17:01] » right? Shame on you. >> Our current providers, based on the

[1:17:05] information they've provided, are not making approximately 30% of the calls.

[1:17:10] surrounding towns which we rely on to assist or even take a call in our own

[1:17:15] town that we do not respond to are exhausting their resources and they have

[1:17:20] stated that they will not shoulder the burden any longer as they are needed

[1:17:26] needing a solid partner. Some crews are running from their home when on duty.

[1:17:31] The details of an agreement are being uh finalized and will be provided once

[1:17:37] they're executed. >> So you don't have any So when when are

[1:17:41] they allowed to >> the four bases of the shared service

[1:17:43] agreement will place two fully equipped ambulances in 134 new roads

[1:17:49] » from where >> two qualified EMTs will be stationed at

[1:17:53] 134 new roads 247. All shifts will be staffed with in-house

[1:18:00] EMTs and additionally there will be an added ambulance staff during high volume

[1:18:05] periods but dedicated for township events and football games

[1:18:10] » where you get an ambulance of staffing by leadership to meet the

[1:18:15] needs of this community. >> You need four EMTs for two ambulances.

[1:18:20] » We realize >> who's paying for it.

[1:18:23] » We realize that change is scary. [Applause]

[1:18:31] We also realize that no matter who we go with, no matter what EMS provider comes

[1:18:40] up, it's going to cost because our TSRs leadership told us it was going to cost.

[1:18:59] [Applause] We maintain no cost to resident

[1:19:08] transportation. The new road building will be staffed 24/7. There'll be a

[1:19:13] lower response time for the first ambulance. We're going to maintain the

[1:19:17] clinical standards and meet the patient needs.

[1:19:21] » So what happens when they go out on the call? You have other 30 members that can

[1:19:25] volunteer. >> The change in EMS providers is being

[1:19:29] done to provide our residents the best service available with proven EMS

[1:19:35] providers. There will be improvement in the

[1:19:38] coverage. Our current plans result in more crews available for calls and

[1:19:44] tabernacle strong residents who are uninsured or who have deductible or

[1:19:47] co-pays will continue not to pay out of pocket for 911

[1:19:53] [Music] >> and before I finish I'm just going to

[1:20:00] » address the social media. >> I'll just throw it away. I'll put it in

[1:20:04] your mailbox. um social media information misinformation

[1:20:07] EMS coverage plans were not shared with terrorists so they had no basis on which

[1:20:11] to make those comments and spread fear actual results were misstated in social

[1:20:18] media regarding the need for mutual aid and no proof calls and real estate

[1:20:24] matters did not factor in on EMS

[1:20:30] and as we We don't cond condone using Facebook

[1:20:37] to promote ourselves on people's worst day of our lives.

[1:20:41] This is >> not acceptable medical personnel

[1:20:45] practices >> and using family worst day of sympathy

[1:20:50] » is just not [Applause]

[1:21:02] » if anybody would like to information

[1:21:08] a Burlington.nj

[1:21:12] us all the information we got there.

[1:21:16] » Why don't you tell the truth about why Apple gets to the agreement with Lepre?

[1:21:25] » You have no clue. [Applause]

[1:21:32] » Turn the lights on.

[1:21:52] We would like to continue the meeting, but it has to be ordered. We have rules

[1:21:57] and the rules need to be followed. If the rules are not followed, the meeting

[1:22:01] will be terminated. I'll ask for motion and we'll terminate the meeting. So if

[1:22:05] you want to be heard, be orderly and be heard one at a time. Make sure you get

[1:22:10] three minutes. We have not

[1:22:14] yet

[1:22:49] [Music]

[1:22:53] It is on your mind. I was told that is also taking over.

[1:22:58] So they think you're taking a little bit on a little bit more than they can chew.

[1:23:02] They think they're going to respond.

[1:23:07] It's all because

[1:23:17] why can't you both share it or just go back to town

[1:23:23] hall or just go back to town? I'm sorry. I I lived here all my life

[1:23:29] and I can tell you one thing. I'm embarrassed to say I didn't tabernacle

[1:23:32] anymore. And that's the guy's honest truth. They've been a squad for 73

[1:23:37] years. So few years we had a problem. Big deal. Every other squad problem

[1:23:44] can't even keep covering up their team. Nothing against the

[1:23:52] ridiculous.

[1:23:57] » It's wrong. >> Yes.

[1:24:01] [Applause] Thank you. Make sure you tell my mom I

[1:24:09] did cuz she swore I won't be arrested.

[1:24:27] [Music] She spoke.

[1:24:42] » Can we give our three minutes to the squad?

[1:24:47] [Applause]

[1:24:58] as citizens. >> If there are

[1:25:05] [Applause] [Music]

[1:25:20] [Applause] [Music]

[1:25:35] Chief Rescue Squad. I'm the president of

[1:25:39] Tabernacle Rescue Squad. Steen Kramer, assistant chief of the Tabernacle.

[1:25:45] Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:26:00] » So, real quick, I'm gonna answer. >> Speak up, George.

[1:26:04] » All right. >> I usually don't get a microphone.

[1:26:07] » Can you hear me now? >> Okay. So, 22 to 24. I'll answer that

[1:26:13] real quick. Yes, we are having a daytime response issue and we work on that and

[1:26:18] we originally entered an agreement with Lumberton EMS to provide our coverage

[1:26:23] towards that. That is a true state because we saw the issue we had changing

[1:26:28] in volunteers changing we all work shift work and then suddenly got different

[1:26:32] positions in our lives and that's what created that issue. So we did that and

[1:26:36] the original plan was to do a merger and we tried to do a large region merger

[1:26:43] sort of what they're trying to do now but every squad was bringing something

[1:26:47] to the table okay be it personnel be it equipment be it money be it whatever

[1:26:53] that's what the idea was from 22 to 24 we struggle as a volunteer agency yes we

[1:27:00] miss calls at night I'm not here to deny that okay but

[1:27:05] We were working towards a merger with Lumberton. We tried to involve

[1:27:10] Southampton and they stepped out at home. So we worked through that towards

[1:27:16] the middle to later of 24. That stopped. Okay.

[1:27:24] and we approached um Hampton Lakes Emergency Squad, which to this date is

[1:27:30] an agency that is more than willing to work with us and wants to do a regional

[1:27:35] service in the Highlands community to provide the service to our town. Okay.

[1:27:41] As of yesterday,

[1:27:45] so in September, we came in here, we made a

[1:27:49] presentation, we made a presentation in October in the other two towns.

[1:27:54] wasn't the agencies that didn't want to do it. We were stopped by the town.

[1:28:00] We came to the town. Now, we're both private 501c3s. We could just merge our

[1:28:04] agencies, but we understand we wanted the community buy in and support. And we

[1:28:09] came to the town and asked for support. We had a meeting in February with them.

[1:28:17] We outlined several different options of the way things could be. We spent three

[1:28:21] and a half hours explaining the difference between the fire service and

[1:28:25] the MS service in our towns and in our area and how things will work, how

[1:28:29] things were funded all the way through. We never heard from the town again. We

[1:28:35] asked. Same thing in Shim. Suddenly we got

[1:28:40] stonewalled. Nobody wanted to talk to us. We knew that they were talking to

[1:28:45] other people, but we never heard from anybody until August 11th. We got a

[1:28:50] phone call. Hey, can you meet us an hour before the meeting? And that's when we

[1:28:54] got our 90 days notice. Yes. In 2025, we had a plan. We were going to merge

[1:29:02] with Hampton Lakes Emergency Squad using their personnel and the personnel that

[1:29:06] we were onboarding and bringing in the funding and the equipment of the

[1:29:10] vehicles. We would have made it work, but we were

[1:29:14] stopped by other people. Okay. So then on December 18th, we had

[1:29:20] to figure out through the Christmas holiday how to put staffing on and in

[1:29:24] seven months and I know they print out numbers and we missed 30% of calls. So

[1:29:29] these are my notes from the other night. So in July we had 111 calls

[1:29:34] 30 were missed 30%. 6.3 time 6.3% of the time though we were

[1:29:42] already somewhere else. So that number comes down to 23%.

[1:29:46] We provided 19.8% mutual aid runs or 22 calls. Another 10. In August, our calls

[1:29:53] went up to 132. 25.76

[1:29:59] missed. 8.3 were because we were already on another call. So that brings us down

[1:30:05] to 17%. August 29 mutual aid calls are 22%.

[1:30:11] Mutual aid is a very important thing to this region. Our transport times are too

[1:30:17] long. Our average call, you saw it, that crew left right after 6:00. They're not

[1:30:23] back yet.

[1:30:26] Okay. We rely on mutual aid. The tabernacle rescue squad. Correct. That

[1:30:32] day that she spoke of, we got three ambulances out and the rescue truck.

[1:30:38] Okay. There's nobody that can do that anymore.

[1:30:43] But we did it the other night.

[1:30:50] Thank you.

[1:30:56] These these volunteers, my members have been here for 30 plus years. I have 31

[1:31:02] years in the service. I'm second of three generations. Six people in my

[1:31:06] family are either serving or have served onto this squad and provided 52 years.

[1:31:14] We are trying our best. We love our town. We'll do anything. We miss

[1:31:19] birthdays, holidays, all kinds of stuff. We see some of the most horrific things.

[1:31:24] But we come out here. We are trying. We're trying our best. We need a little

[1:31:30] time. If you look at those two agencies that they discussed, Hampton Lakes and

[1:31:34] Lumberton, when they went through this 10 years ago, they're they went through

[1:31:38] the exact same thing that we are going through right now. The difference was is

[1:31:44] they were given time and support.

[1:31:49] » You guys are here. Yes. >> How much it cost to staff two Lumberton

[1:31:54] rigs here 247. And what does the township

[1:31:57] » two lumber rigs is not what being offered? I want to make that clear.

[1:32:00] What's being offered is two rigs in our building. That's what's been said in

[1:32:03] Shimang, what was set here tonight. Those are two different agencies. One of

[1:32:07] those towns has said that rig is not coming here and one of those towns is

[1:32:11] only covering the daytime. But to answer your question, for us, it's 400. What's

[1:32:15] the rig cost? >> For us to cover one ambulance 247 with

[1:32:19] paid staffing, it's $498,000. That's just

[1:32:24] 800,000. What does the council currentwise?

[1:32:29] Well, let me let me So, take this number and this is why we came to the town for

[1:32:33] support. >> 4 It's 498,000

[1:32:38] for staffing. The best building year we ever had was

[1:32:42] $375. >> Okay. So, do the math. If anybody's

[1:32:46] parking a truck in our building, they're going to be at a shortfall.

[1:32:50] Where's that money coming from? Because we were asking for money. Do you think

[1:32:55] those other towns are going to write that off or pay that off?

[1:33:00] » It's coming. >> That chief said in an email to this

[1:33:05] council or committee, excuse me, in the wrong township, this committee that she

[1:33:09] was not making money, that she was losing money every time she turned. That

[1:33:14] money has to be made up. You said you got quotes. My question would be why

[1:33:30] the frequent township meetings. I stood up because there was a letter sent by

[1:33:33] Lumberton Township solicitor and administrator referenced who was

[1:33:37] covering us in January and I had to stand up and give an explanation and

[1:33:40] actually somebody from committee said why was somebody trying to stay in your

[1:33:45] town and my comment I made was well they must make money. Well that got back and

[1:33:50] we got an email that said that Lumberton emergency squad in the two and a half

[1:33:56] years they were here lost money. So they're not going to keep doing that.

[1:34:02] So it's coming from somewhere. We came up with a model. We came up with

[1:34:07] something that would work, >> but nobody will talk to us.

[1:34:12] » And that's the problem. I don't know. I wish I knew. I Well, actually

[1:34:16] » because when we got called into the meeting and we we got told that they

[1:34:21] were doing a shared service and that we had 90 days to get out of our building

[1:34:25] and and 90 days. And I said, "Why?" And I was told

[1:34:30] Nobody wants to work together and nobody likes

[1:34:39] » people. So why is there >> that's why she lives in tabernacle and

[1:34:44] works in tabernacle. >> So

[1:34:51] » who said that? >> Oh,

[1:34:57] » we all like it. They don't like a couple things just for

[1:35:01] you guys to understand. When we've gone and talked to these townships, we asked

[1:35:05] for $100,000. >> On average, that's $40 per house in this

[1:35:10] town per year. >> Wow.

[1:35:12] » $40. >> And when we had done our plan with the

[1:35:17] original merger with Lumberton, we were asking for 150 from each town. So, I

[1:35:23] don't understand how the math checks out. Now, they can come into our town

[1:35:27] and tell you guys that they're going to do it for free, but soft billing. Soft

[1:35:32] billing doesn't cover it. You guys made it perfectly clear that that soft

[1:35:36] billing doesn't cover it. We made it clear. I told you in the reports that I

[1:35:39] made it clear. And what we asked you for was for more money so that we could pay

[1:35:44] these crews. That's what we asked you guys for. We sat down with you in

[1:35:47] February. We talked to you guys in October. We started these things and

[1:35:51] talked to you guys and said, "Look, if we're going to put crews on and run from

[1:35:55] the building. Like you had noted, yes, we do still run from home. We pay guys

[1:35:59] less money to run from home because it's something that saves our agency money.

[1:36:03] It's something that we decided we had to do. Does it increase response times?

[1:36:07] Yeah. It's about 8 minutes, I think, is what the report says. Don't quote me.

[1:36:10] The township has it if you guys want to over request it. All right. But what it

[1:36:14] comes down to is if you guys want people in the building, it's going to be a

[1:36:18] minimum of $23 an hour. I think Lumberton's paying $30 an hour on the

[1:36:22] weekends, but they don't want weekends. Pant Lakes gets that

[1:36:28] because that's more money that they're going to have to out. Our budget is

[1:36:32] close to $280,000. That's what it is to run our organization without payroll.

[1:36:37] That's what we have been using for the past 73 years in order to keep this

[1:36:42] organization alive. >> We used to give volunteer stipen

[1:36:45] programs that was less than $100,000 as of December 31st. Then we started

[1:36:51] paying people. It cost $498,000 to pay people, right? And George noted it. You

[1:36:57] can't bring in the money from billing revenue. Maybe it's a bigger problem

[1:37:02] that comes from the top and from uh Medicare and everything like that that

[1:37:05] the money is not coming back to us, but it does not cover the crew. If our

[1:37:09] residents want an ambulance in town, they need to make it known that they're

[1:37:13] willing to pay that amount of money. >> And we are.

[1:37:16] [Applause] Don't don't misconrue this guys. We we

[1:37:28] will stand behind Lumberton. We will stand behind Hampton Lakes. Those

[1:37:32] organizations have come and they've helped us immensely over the years.

[1:37:36] George and I, we were talking about it last week. You have Hampton Lakes who

[1:37:40] when they were having rough patches, we were the truck in there. Our truck went

[1:37:43] halfway across the county. We ended up in Mount Holly sometimes. And that's how

[1:37:47] this this uh that's how EMS works. They come to us, we go to them, and yeah, we

[1:37:52] miss a couple calls because we're trying to get people on. I have five people

[1:37:56] that applied once they gave us our 90-day termination agreement. And now

[1:38:00] one of them's already backed out because he doesn't know where we're going to be

[1:38:03] in 60 days. >> So that's a guy that I could have on the

[1:38:05] truck on a Sunday that could actually run for us. But because of your

[1:38:09] decision, I don't have a guy on the truck almost.

[1:38:13] Your decision

[1:38:20] I don't know that I need this mic either. I'm a school teacher. Obviously,

[1:38:23] given my motif, this is what I do for day. But I'm going to I want to address

[1:38:27] the committee as well. I know that we're we're out here talking a whole lot about

[1:38:31] numbers. When I said that I'm both the proud assistant chief of the West

[1:38:35] institute, but last time I was here, I was talking about a shortsighted and

[1:38:40] quick decision to tear down a historical structure in town. This town rallied.

[1:38:45] They rallied when there was a bulldozer at the door. And here I am again now

[1:38:49] speaking as a rescue squad assistant chief with a bulldozer at the door 60

[1:38:54] days before I go home with numbers that are old and don't make sense. You heard

[1:38:59] it tonight, right? >> We've gone from 33% which we admit. We

[1:39:03] have to admit it. We're the ones that gave you the numbers you're running the

[1:39:05] reports on. We're not afraid to give you those numbers and we're not. But we also

[1:39:09] can tell you we're down to 17 in the month of August. Before I was the

[1:39:13] assistant chief of tabernacle, I was an assistant chief of Memphis. I was one of

[1:39:17] the first paid employees in London. I too had summer chap school and we didn't

[1:39:21] offer it. I've been on this I've been on the side

[1:39:25] of this transition as an employee and as a president and a assistant chief in

[1:39:29] Memphis. It's a hard transition to make. I will say this as my as a leader in

[1:39:34] Meetford, we didn't do it the greatest in the very beginning, but we got there.

[1:39:38] Lumberton didn't do it the greatest, but they got there. They got there with the

[1:39:41] support of their committees and their councils and the residents. We have one

[1:39:45] of those things. I feel like we don't have the other in 8 months because of

[1:39:51] the experience the leadership team here brings. We've taken that number from

[1:39:55] something that scared you in February to something that's within shooting

[1:39:58] distance of one of the agencies that you're going to have replace. The only

[1:40:03] agency likes that shared those numbers with us is at 12%. We're at 17. You're

[1:40:09] now asking that agency on weekends and nights to take over the entire call

[1:40:13] volume of both agencies, either of which takes all their calls. We ran 22% mutual

[1:40:19] aid last month. Most of that mutual aid was to Southampton who's going to have

[1:40:24] to now cover all of our calls. Those lumbering crews that give you this great

[1:40:28] number of response time, I get it. I'm one of those guys in the middle of the

[1:40:32] night. I can tell you it takes me less time to get to this building and get out

[1:40:36] on the street to the actual call because you're right, there's a difference

[1:40:39] between response time and on scene time. Our on scene time when alarming truck is

[1:40:44] dynamically staging, which is one of the things our leadership identified as an

[1:40:48] issue because they're calling it. It's not because they're a bad agency. It's

[1:40:52] because we got to run the calls to make the cash. That's how this is set up.

[1:40:56] It's not like a fire department where we say these are our bills. Please pay

[1:40:59] them. We have to figure that out on our own. and we have for over 70 years. But

[1:41:04] when that truck dynamically stages because it's got to run those calls in

[1:41:07] longer now paying for it back up Morstown, make that money, it may sign

[1:41:11] on in a minute or two. It's not in tabernacle in a minute or two. It's

[1:41:15] there a lot longer than it takes me to get up out of bed and get in there with

[1:41:19] my tribe and get to see the numbers are the numbers. We can parse them out six

[1:41:25] ways from Sunday and there's an old quote there. There's lying, damn line

[1:41:29] statistics, right? We're standing behind our numbers.

[1:41:33] But this isn't about numbers. This is about people.

[1:41:37] » I'm a history teacher. We're story guys. So, let me tell you a story since you've

[1:41:40] already told. I am one of those faces that came out of that door n years ago.

[1:41:45] And to say that this is a different TRS is an insult to me.

[1:41:49] » Absolutely.

[1:41:53] behind

[1:41:58] my desk along with her friend that was on that quad and another f another one

[1:42:04] of my former students who I put in a helicopter that year along with her

[1:42:07] daughter and the other girl. They all walked to graduation. The people that

[1:42:10] are wearing tabernacle shirts in this room performed a miracle that day. I

[1:42:15] don't use that lightly and I don't use it often, but I'll use it here.

[1:42:20] I got to make a decision as a leader like George did because I had three

[1:42:23] ambulances right behind me. >> I got to make the same decision down the

[1:42:28] street >> when we had a horrific accident and

[1:42:30] people keep talking about bring these things up. We should talk about it

[1:42:34] because this is what our people are doing.

[1:42:36] » It isn't numbers. It's people n and a half years after you said it's

[1:42:41] our natural rescue squad of old as well. The other night I was coming back from

[1:42:45] Marlton. I got called to Peppan has done very much what we're talking about doing

[1:42:49] here. They have one truck. Sometimes they have two if it makes money, but

[1:42:51] most of the time they have one. I got called from in front of the check on

[1:42:56] Route 70 to go for a pediatric burn victim. They needed a second truck. I

[1:43:00] was the closest one available. 32 minutes. Now, my right foot got there a

[1:43:05] little faster, but there State Police in the room. I don't want to tell you how

[1:43:08] fast they did that, but I was there and we put that child in my helicopter. They

[1:43:12] didn't have a choice of three ambulances like I did the other night or like I did

[1:43:16] when your daughter crashed. And they're not have that ability. Any of these

[1:43:20] people in the road, you sent me home. We asked to talk to you. You shook our

[1:43:27] hands in February when you stood in our our building was full. I was having it

[1:43:31] was a great night, right? The training room was full. The Girl Scouts were

[1:43:34] learning CPR. I was doing check, shaking your hands, and you were telling us how

[1:43:38] what what a great organization we ran. And then it went silent. And I've heard

[1:43:42] the same speech. I heard parts of the same speech I heard tonight in

[1:43:46] Lumberton. And I heard the same speech in Shimang and I have to wonder where

[1:43:50] that's coming from because they're given by different people. All we're being all

[1:43:54] we're asking is for a chance to continue the conversation. There isn't You hear

[1:43:59] the passion in all three of our voices. We're here for tabernacles. My mother,

[1:44:04] if she was in the room, the saint that she is, would love for this to go

[1:44:07] through. I think she's going to buy a cake on day 61. She's going to say,

[1:44:10] "Steve, you've been doing this for too long and have been beat up for too

[1:44:13] long." I have stood in front of this committee here. I stood in the town hall

[1:44:18] and made these same conversations and my picture is going to be in the news

[1:44:21] again. And it's because I want to serve. That's

[1:44:26] all I'm asking to do. That's all any of us are asking to do. We're asking for a

[1:44:29] seat at the table. I over 20 years in emergency services, both in fire and EMS

[1:44:34] and forest fire. I've been a leader in other towns, towns that you went to to

[1:44:38] talk to, and yet I wasn't worth a seat at the table to have a conversation

[1:44:43] about the town that I love. Shame on you.

[1:44:48] » I'm Listen, I'll take my birthday back this year and won't be on top of a

[1:44:52] truck. I'm not going to say it because we're children. But there are more than

[1:44:55] just there is more than just the ambulances. You mentioned some of the

[1:44:59] things, the rescue truck, the off-road, the community support that we get. It's

[1:45:03] all gone. You don't have a replacement for that. What you have is one ambulance

[1:45:07] and somebody who's not the three of us that's going to have to make a decision

[1:45:11] that I didn't have to make five and a half years ago. or somebody else in this

[1:45:14] room. Which one of those girls goes in the ambulance I have? And which one

[1:45:18] waits for an ambulance with another 10. [Applause]

[1:45:33] I love my friends in Hampton Lakes. I'm a church member over there. I say my

[1:45:37] grandma and grandpa are all in South Hampton. Give us the chance to come back

[1:45:41] and talk to you about the merger that support these highland communities or

[1:45:44] give us the chance to talk about how we can do it. We didn't let lumbering go.

[1:45:48] We let lumbering go with paid staff in the house. I am the Listen, I love being

[1:45:53] a volunteer. Been a volunteer my entire life, but technically because I signed

[1:45:56] my paperwork before everybody else. I'm the first paid employee in Tabernacle

[1:45:59] Rescue Squad's history. The reason I'm showing up has not changed. Even though

[1:46:03] I got minimum wage for coming from home at night,

[1:46:07] » we did it so that we could move staff around to make this happen.

[1:46:11] can reduce in August over 80% of the time. You're chucking that and saying

[1:46:16] that this community, Shimong, and this Highlands region is better served with

[1:46:22] one, two, three, like it was the other night, less ambulances and none of the

[1:46:26] support we bring. All we're asking for is a shot. I hope that you decide to

[1:46:30] resend this vote. I hope that you do a little bit more homework. It sounds like

[1:46:34] you're asking good questions. I wish you as the people that are actually doing it

[1:46:38] for you and want to continue to do it. I don't want to go home as much as my mom

[1:46:41] will buy that day. I hope this

[1:47:04] Again,

[1:47:22] I appreciate the support. I thought it was crazy. I walked around hall and uh I

[1:47:28] think that um this is

[1:47:39] we wanted the opportunity to sit. We had some other ideas how to do it and you

[1:47:45] know couple years ago we made this decision to make um fire company and

[1:47:49] fire department because of certain things. I laid out a plan and how we can

[1:47:55] do that with EMS, but we should do it in a way that is smart. We hold it's not as

[1:48:01] simple and clearcut. Again, beautiful services, the fire, everything. It's why

[1:48:06] you don't the building license, all that stuff that all takes time to set all

[1:48:11] that up. I would love nothing more for us to have paid personnel here that work

[1:48:16] for the township and get a pension benefits because I I listen I retired

[1:48:22] six years ago as a police officer. I know what it's like to be a public

[1:48:25] servant and my police officer job was no worse than what I do now. Okay? It's

[1:48:31] just different. It's just different.

[1:48:36] We need to be given the opportunity. We made a huge shift in our agency. huge

[1:48:41] shift that most agencies around us. It took them more than a year to do. And

[1:48:49] those agencies were supported by us and our neighbors to the north is more than

[1:48:54] happy to continue to support us because they see the work that we're doing and

[1:48:58] where we're getting. They wouldn't have nothing to emerge and

[1:49:02] make it the Southampton Shan organizations.

[1:49:07] We went to Shan the other night and met and talked to them and basically what we

[1:49:11] got was they felt like they were handcuffed because you guys made the

[1:49:14] decision or you told them that we were gone. So they had to make the same

[1:49:18] decision cuz they were worried about their coverage.

[1:49:22] So let's take this opportunity. Let's reset and let's sit down and actually

[1:49:27] come up with a plan. I'm not going to lie, it's going to cost money,

[1:49:32] » but there's no other way to do it. I don't and I I used this the other night

[1:49:38] when we had our open house. I called the the trash trucks here. All towns have

[1:49:43] their own trash trucks. Okay. They got a bunch of employees and cost a bunch of

[1:49:47] money. At some point, somebody comes up with a great idea and some service walks

[1:49:52] in and says, "We'll do it." What's the town doing?

[1:49:58] And then all the trash can and three years down the road comes up.

[1:50:04] What happens? Contract comes up and now it's paying.

[1:50:09] » We go. We're gone. There's no coming back.

[1:50:14] If we were running 30% of our calls and missing 70%. I would have probably

[1:50:20] walked up here and said, "We need to do something and you guys need to get help

[1:50:25] me figure it out." So, we're out. But that's not what we're doing.

[1:50:30] I for all that we have done for this community. have one meeting and that was

[1:50:35] it. And then to get called in and told you're done in 90 days and then I even

[1:50:42] asked, well listen, okay, we operate for 90 days. Are you going to give us at

[1:50:46] least a couple days to get out? No, you're done in 90 days.

[1:50:51] » Disgraceful. >> That's how we were told. And then when I

[1:50:54] asked why, we were told because nobody wants to work with me.

[1:51:00] » And that's not true. That's absolutely not true. There are people that don't

[1:51:05] want to work with me. Okay, I get it. >> I'll work with you.

[1:51:13] » In the end of the day, I I'm not sure what form of this, but

[1:51:19] you need to reset. We need to go back and you need to give us the opportunity

[1:51:23] and we need to sit down and have a real conversation about this and talk about

[1:51:29] it. The numbers are the numbers. I just one

[1:51:33] way you do another

[1:51:39] » but again it's about our residents and our doing the best. We are working to

[1:51:44] get better. I feel if we had a a solid funding source from our town

[1:51:50] then it would allow us to hire people with a more permanent basis to make it

[1:51:56] better and make it and we could be an example to

[1:52:00] I think that the Hampton charger that I presented in the end of September

[1:52:04] beginning October was probably the best and most costefficient for the town but

[1:52:10] I think that's a hard conversation that we have to have and I think the politics

[1:52:14] have to come because

[1:52:18] without throwing people under the bus and and I'm not saying it's necessarily

[1:52:22] you in the room. There's other people out in the world that are causing

[1:52:26] trouble and we know it. Everybody knows it. So, let's move on. again. Thank you.

[1:52:43] All of you, everybody in this room who will always be here to support you. Um,

[1:52:49] I thank you for your time.

[1:53:16] Think about it.

[1:53:22] » Now save the squad.

[1:53:27] [Music] Boulevard

[1:53:31] here from Monarch Woods, a new development that was built 2022. We all

[1:53:34] paid roughly $17,000 in taxes reserve over there to pay taxes over 100

[1:53:42] homes almost $2 million since 2022. We can't give you $40 per home to have paid

[1:53:49] uh EMS squad. That's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. I mean, brand new

[1:53:54] community our whiskey who are here to support TRS

[1:53:58] [Applause]

[1:54:09] Holly Bush New Jersey. Ladies and gentlemen, fellow residents

[1:54:16] of Shimong and Tabernacle Township, we gather to discuss a decision that will

[1:54:23] echo through our communities. Ending our shared service agreement with

[1:54:29] the Tabernacle Rescue Squad for nearly 70 72 years, this volunteer driven squad

[1:54:39] answered our calls for help day and night, night and day, building trust and

[1:54:46] saving lives across both tabernacle and Shimal

[1:54:53] fact. On August 5th, the Schwam Township

[1:54:57] Committee voted unanimously to invoke a 90day cancellation clause,

[1:55:04] ending our partnership with the tabernacle resolver

[1:55:12] [Music]

[1:55:22] overlooked critical local variables.

[1:55:28] As someone whose own family faces multiple lists of medical complications

[1:55:36] and issues ranging from, let's see, type one

[1:55:41] diabetes, um, lupus, um, old age, just the list of

[1:55:50] I know firsthand how vital rapid response is. Every delay intensify

[1:55:59] anxiety when a loved one's helps in the balance. Losing immediate access

[1:56:06] to a nearby squad isn't just municipal a municipal issue.

[1:56:14] It is personal for families like mine and theirs.

[1:56:22] Every second counts when a neighbor suffers a cardiac arrest, serious

[1:56:29] injuries, or an acute allergic reaction. Tabernacle rescue squad volunteers live

[1:56:39] just around the corner with just familiar with

[1:56:47] schools. Outsourcing to more distant lives can

[1:56:53] add crucial limits to their arrival directly affecting survival weights and

[1:57:00] longterm outcomes.

[1:57:05] » Beyond emergency response and body are shared.

[1:57:15] [Applause]

[1:57:27] My name is Anderson. I live.

[1:57:32] I just wanted to let you know that as a horse owner, do you know that Tabernacle

[1:57:36] Rescue Squad is the number one person that we would call if a horse is stuck

[1:57:41] in the bus? Do you see me? I'm 5 foot. is a thous

[1:57:50] [Music]

[1:58:05] one rescue vehicle. I should have that chance to have the

[1:58:10] three rescue vehicles there to rescue my kids. All of our people from the rescue

[1:58:17] squad are locals. They know the back trail. They know how to get to board and

[1:58:22] get a boat in that water and rescue people.

[1:58:26] They are familiar. They are familiar faces that when your baby is seizing on

[1:58:31] the floor and when that person runs through your door and you see them, you

[1:58:37] come down. They give you a hug and they take you to the They take you to the

[1:58:42] hospital. They sit in the ambulance with you, have a whole conversation with you,

[1:58:48] calm you down. It is a familiar face. You trust them. As a parent, you calm

[1:58:55] down. Our rescue squad is very familiar with

[1:59:00] Jack's work. I'm a teacher there. I know that if something happens, Tabernacle

[1:59:06] will be there. on my way home today. Tabernacle was at the town at the

[1:59:11] firehouse assisting Wood Ax student. They were there. Tabernacle rescue squad

[1:59:20] was there, not Woodland Township. They are here to serve and protect us.

[1:59:27] They know it. They're [Music]

[1:59:32] Steve Jackson. They are all committed. They are residents and they want to help

[1:59:39] us. [Applause]

[2:00:00] So about a year ago, I stood up here to show you,

[2:00:18] you know, and we were fighting at that time this time for our family's

[2:00:28] farming operations unfortunately

[2:00:32] respect

[2:00:40] I don't want to be up here [Music]

[2:00:45] I have to fight every time >> to come up here remind you

[2:00:51] This side of 206

[2:01:09] I don't want to be up here again fighting for my family's health. We

[2:01:13] can't do this. You know this. We got to have them be able to support our

[2:01:18] community, our barns, and everybody's health. You got to take this picture.

[2:01:24] I'm not doing it again. Farmers got you have to do something good. You're only

[2:01:33] got to do something good. That's why I signed up to help out. We need to do

[2:01:37] something good. And we haven't done that since we opened the building.

[2:01:43] We got to set and for the next generation. That's why

[2:01:47] we'll be up here. And that's all.

[2:01:51] [Applause]

[2:02:11] law enforcement

[2:02:34] 500,000,000 a year for salaries. That's about right.

[2:02:48] You mentioned roughly 300,000

[2:03:08] I How much final

[2:03:13] I think they build 900 bottles and they're lucky to get maybe 300

[2:03:20] insurance. I believe the township makes up the

[2:03:23] difference.

[2:03:46] I don't know.

[2:04:02] [Applause]

[2:04:23] Hi. Um, I'm that last speaker, so I can't go lower than this. My name is

[2:04:28] Connie Mice at 329 Road. I've been a tabernacle resident for the past 48

[2:04:35] years. It's not so much a decision to diminish a TRS team. It's more against

[2:04:41] county and that is most upsetting to me. This whole situation is a little bit

[2:04:47] close to my heart. I've been in healthcare for 51 years. uh in recently

[2:04:53] last 20 with cardiology. Okay. So in this line of work patients have always

[2:04:58] been first and foremost every single minute of the day whether I'm in or not

[2:05:05] with every emergency in cardiology. I'm usually the one that's calling 911 and

[2:05:10] I'm waiting at the top of that medicine building waiting for the squad to come.

[2:05:14] 3 to 5 minutes I know it's Tur Hill. Okay. I'm waiting 510. Okay. It's not

[2:05:20] going to be Terry Hill. It's going to be the next town. 15 minutes plus, we're

[2:05:25] getting into a third town. Okay. I know that from experience in the last 20

[2:05:29] years, been in that building for 2016. So that's what, I don't know, 14 years.

[2:05:36] All I'm saying is I know what it's like to wait. When you're at home, it's

[2:05:42] different story. You don't have a defibrillator. You don't have oxygen.

[2:05:46] You don't have a code card. So you're at home with whatever family member is in

[2:05:51] need and you're waiting and that wait time is like an eternity. Okay? So it

[2:05:57] could be life and death situation. I'm also a businesswoman in what I do. The

[2:06:02] one thing that's very important to me when I have to make a decision, I'm

[2:06:07] speaking with providers. I'm speaking with employees for leadership to make

[2:06:11] form decisions that affects patients. Okay? We sit down, we talk. the numbers

[2:06:18] are shown. These numbers didn't do anything from a grace really didn't. It

[2:06:22] was, you know, nothing against you, but it wasn't given us a really good story

[2:06:27] here. I like to talk to people who are involved in the decision- making. Okay?

[2:06:34] You didn't have the main people who are here that should have been in these

[2:06:38] meetings. You did not give them the benefit of the doubt to be part of the

[2:06:42] decision making. Shame on you. Okay. So, only.

[2:06:50] We have to show our appreciation for the 72 years that they've been with us.

[2:06:55] There has been no major complaints. I don't really know where all this is

[2:06:59] really coming from. I wish I knew from your heart. I feel their passion. You

[2:07:04] hear my passion. Okay? And this is what I don't put it on a shelf when I get

[2:07:09] home. This is me. So, I'm just saying, wouldn't it be nice for you to make a

[2:07:13] decision that could save a life? Because with all of the patients come first and

[2:07:18] with everybody in this room, every one of us is going to be a patient someday.

[2:07:25] [Applause] want to touch on a lot of topics.

[2:07:40] First of all, I want to point out I think your executive session tonight

[2:07:43] might have been illegal. I read the statute. There's a number of exceptions

[2:07:46] in there. Not one of them is going to piss off the

[2:07:50] public. [Applause]

[2:07:54] Shouldn't really surprise that rules because you know there's other issues

[2:07:58] that I think lately mayor made it clear that some

[2:08:04] said that uh you were going to cancel your contract with TRS. He made it

[2:08:10] absolutely clear. He said it publicly. letter out there. No doubt about it.

[2:08:16] Which means either you're saying he's lying or you guys held an illegal

[2:08:20] meeting where you decided this because you did not make one statement about

[2:08:27] your actual vote itself to do this. I believe illegal.

[2:08:32] I think I'll do it until after executive session. By the way, you know, there

[2:08:34] will be states right after executive session,

[2:08:37] but this is in a special meeting where you have to publish the agenda as known

[2:08:43] at the time of the meeting scheduled. You think one person in this room really

[2:08:47] believes you didn't know you're going to be voting on that just a few days

[2:08:50] before. I believe I believe it was published in Berlin County Times on the

[2:08:54] July 31st I think less than two weeks before you have a vote when the

[2:08:59] subcommittees things were on the agenda. I don't buy it

[2:09:04] back to your presentation for the facts of not much in there. For example, you

[2:09:14] hammering um you made a number of comments specifically about

[2:09:21] guess what come n years ago I stood up before committee Mr. Gates made a got on

[2:09:27] a case about would I support contract on TRS and at the time knowing that was not

[2:09:32] a popular idea I said yes as long as everybody knows what's in it and both

[2:09:35] parties are great you don't like it from home work on it in your contract just

[2:09:41] cancel it

[2:09:45] [Music] how you went about this you were on the

[2:09:51] committee uh 10 11 years ago during the whole fire district issue

[2:09:56] Do you remember when you guys at the time took a vote at the end of the

[2:09:59] session that was not on the agenda specific to terminating the the fire

[2:10:04] district? Remember what happened? People got pissed off that you didn't tell them

[2:10:07] that you had promised it was going to be on the agenda and it wasn't. And you

[2:10:11] took that action anyway. I've always said I was a believer on the tree, but

[2:10:15] come on. You had to

[2:10:19] [Applause]

[2:10:31] I want to thank you for allowing to see tonight.

[2:10:40] So, as a local ER nurse,

[2:10:44] I can tell you that

[2:10:51] already. We all live in the choice. But that

[2:10:56] means that we're 20 to 30 minutes away from any local hospital.

[2:11:02] Um, there are medical emergencies where time will make or break someone's

[2:11:05] wellbeing. Some examples include the golden hour of

[2:11:10] 90 minutes to the time

[2:11:20] to repro and

[2:11:26] the facts

[2:11:30] experts or even my husband the emergency management commission

[2:11:37] would impact

[2:11:41] The quality of

[2:11:46] that decision also kicking out the members of the community

[2:11:53] from the rescue [Music]

[2:12:05] at the expense of the tabernacle.

[2:12:16] decision to allow tabernacle.

[2:12:20] [Applause]

[2:12:34] » My name is Bill Ryan. courts

[2:12:39] following this situation since secret meetings that were pulled off

[2:12:46] of

[2:12:49] the fact that they took your committee action a week later

[2:12:55] generated story on social media on the 12th frankly the floor I've spent my

[2:13:01] whole life working on public policy I've worked

[2:13:07] municipal or whether the fact that you all along with neighboring communities

[2:13:13] like your mom would do these things behind closed doors and then have a

[2:13:17] presentation where you've already pointed out numerous times that you've

[2:13:21] had concerns and not do anything about it and not bring the people that are

[2:13:24] responsible into have a discussion is deplorable. But what makes it even worse

[2:13:31] is this last at the end of last month you were going to have a meeting and

[2:13:35] you're going to explain it to the people and I come here and there's another

[2:13:40] saying I'm sorry

[2:13:46] to you have put our community in sham in

[2:13:51] jeopardy because your decision and the fact that they want to go behind work

[2:13:56] and have their own conversation makes So that whatever his result is, I

[2:14:01] may wind up having service 30 to 45 units. You're going through six

[2:14:08] units there, maybe two, but I get the focus that lumber EMS is a

[2:14:17] business. They have a million dollar operation.

[2:14:21] They got a paid staff. They do great work. So this is a good business

[2:14:24] opportunity for them to start. You have to fill the gap.

[2:14:30] The fact that they go and never say anything for a week is an issue that

[2:14:34] I'll give to them. But here it's pretty clear to me you're doing this because

[2:14:39] you have council building. You want to take your building want to convert this

[2:14:43] over

[2:14:48] [Applause] Absolutely.

[2:15:05] [Music]

[2:15:14] » You know where I stand on this. I have a couple questions for you.

[2:15:19] I'm looking These two girls over here are township managers

[2:15:24] and you're saying to me that qualifies for $75.

[2:15:29] [Music]

[2:15:35] So where do you get all same $75 an hour?

[2:15:39] You pull her from Medford as a payroll specialist as a healthare specialist.

[2:15:44] She's not worth $75. She was a coward when she when I went up there. She would

[2:15:49] even come up to the window and talk to me. I had to go and ask Kevin and Bart

[2:15:56] and they told me who the new township manager was. And this is the person

[2:16:01] you're going to hire. Shame on you for that.

[2:16:05] My road still a disgrace. Still a disgrace. 104 Hawkins Road, my

[2:16:11] next door neighbor, their nine-year-old son. Thank god he had good reflexes

[2:16:16] Friday morning. Car pass the school bus with lights on.

[2:16:21] Pull the camera footage. I already called Olson Middle School about it. He

[2:16:25] almost got killed that morning. Council Biddy got hit because you guys don't

[2:16:31] want to take the responsibility to put this stuff on this road. Do a traffic

[2:16:36] stud. Put signs up. You don't want to take care of it.

[2:16:43] It's a disgrace. And on top of it, for what you're doing over here,

[2:16:50] to these people at TRS,

[2:16:53] it's unconscionable. We have other board members in here that

[2:16:58] are in bed with each other on land use boards to get gains for other reasons

[2:17:05] which I don't think I have to really be real clear about grace

[2:17:10] because if you would have called me back when I asked you to call me back and you

[2:17:13] would have responded instead of blowing me off we wouldn't be going down this

[2:17:17] road. Correct. >> Excuse me. Going by Robert

[2:17:23] » that's fine. That's fine. that you all work for me, too.

[2:17:29] [Applause] >> You know, and again, I'll tell you, I'm

[2:17:34] a disgrace that I even voted for you because you backed all these other

[2:17:40] people and said, "Oh, I'm going to do this for you, Brian. I'm going to do

[2:17:44] this. Go after Sammy Moore for this. Go after this person. Go after that." Don't

[2:17:48] deny you didn't say it, Joe. Good old Joe, you are. You're a disgrace. She

[2:17:54] ought to resign. >> All of them.

[2:17:58] » She ought to resign. >> And Lorie Cooper.

[2:18:00] » And Lorie Cooper. >> You're a disgrace, too. And I thought I

[2:18:06] would be able to rely on you, Grace. And you let me down. Thanks.

[2:18:11] [Applause]

[2:18:29] app.

[2:18:33] But I do I can't leave here without telling you I worked with a lot of these

[2:18:37] folks. I've been in healthcare for 40 years. They have this town 100%. They

[2:18:45] are for this town. They will do anything for this town. Steve Kramer is my idol.

[2:18:49] I will tell you, I worked with him before. I The man is wonderful. You have

[2:18:55] to put personal feelings aside. George Jackson feels the way he feels because

[2:19:00] he is passionate about his station. How could you all just say, "Oh, we don't

[2:19:05] want to work with you." And let this town fall apart. I can't even imagine

[2:19:10] the lives that are going to be hurt and the children that are going to be sick

[2:19:15] and there's going to be no response. There are not enough ambulances. You

[2:19:20] have a wonderful station here, multiple apparatuses, good people that want to

[2:19:25] work for you. Why not give them a second chance and build on it? You need paid

[2:19:30] service. I'm 100% behind that because everybody needs it. The other stations

[2:19:36] have one crew, one ambulance. We got three relatively new apparatuses. They

[2:19:44] all work. Other stations use their apparatus because yours work here. Why

[2:19:49] would you want to take somebody else's problems as I want to say and I will

[2:19:55] only speak for what I know. I will not make up any story of some of the station

[2:20:00] that you're referring to. I know personally what they have and I think

[2:20:05] crazy if you think you're going to get more than one truck on the road and

[2:20:09] that's if you're going to get it in a timely fashion

[2:20:13] like Menderson said they were at Chadsworth that's frequent I lived in

[2:20:17] Woodland Township for 35 years I had never got an ambulance from Woodland

[2:20:21] Township at my house when I called for an ambulance I have thank God yet to

[2:20:25] have to call an ambulance in Tabernacle but I know that there are would respond

[2:20:30] I know they're close enough and then Southampton is a backup they are

[2:20:33] wonderful to back up. You're crazy. If you think that's will be your whole

[2:20:38] support, I think you really really need to reook and not go by somebody's

[2:20:44] personality that you don't like. [Applause]

[2:21:03] road. If there is any consideration or

[2:21:08] reconsideration or as Jackson spoke about

Tabernacle Township Meeting 9-8-2025

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