[0:02] Okay. I'd like to call the meeting to order.

[0:05] Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

[0:09] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the

[0:14] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:19] justice for all. >> Councilman Leader?

[0:23] Councilman Barber? >> Here.

[0:25] » Councilwoman Carbone? >> Here.

[0:26] » Councilman Brown? >> Here.

[0:28] » Councilman Bronson? >> Here.

[0:30] » Okay.

[0:34] The first resolution is to approve the hiring of a part-time coordinator

[0:37] attendant at the transfer station. And we'll bring that to the floor.

[0:42] » I move.

[0:44] » Do I have the name correct? >> Yeah.

[0:47] » So, that was uh Eugene >> Yep, and I need a second.

[0:51] » I second Eugene Barber. >> Okay.

[0:55] Whereas the transfer station superintendent has expressed a need for

[0:58] a part-time coordinator assistant who has the qualifications to operate the

[1:02] loader, and whereas the position was advertised on the town website, at the

[1:06] transfer station, and at the town hall, be it resolved that after reviewing the

[1:11] applicants, the town board of the town of Durham approves the hiring

[1:15] of somebody to begin work as of Saturday,

[1:18] July 25th, 2026 at a rate consistent with the union contract rate for that

[1:23] position. And that is um I think $22.75.

[1:28] I have this one and take away the name of it.

[1:31] » No, no. That's a lot of people

[1:35] in the waiting interested in the meeting.

[1:37] » This is um >> Should the resolution specify how many

[1:41] hours a week we're hiring them for? >> Um

[1:44] » Cuz I think we talked about it. 16 Saturday.

[1:48] Just Saturday and Sunday. >> Yes. Not Wednesday, just Saturday and

[1:51] Sunday. Okay. That's what I said.

[1:54] So, we could Yeah, like most Saturdays and Sundays.

[1:57] Do you want to add that to the resolution?

[2:00] yeah.

[2:02] Um On the first sentence, I guess, has

[2:07] expressed a need for a part-time per diem assistant that has the

[2:10] qualification qualifications separate the loader.

[2:13] » Or maybe we could put it under the resolved.

[2:18] Yeah, I think it should be in the resolved. So

[2:20] in fact, you could just add it to the end of the sentence and say for that

[2:24] position.

[2:27] » Work week will be Saturday and Sunday. >> And and my reasoning for that is that

[2:33] Wednesday's the loader is not there. So I'm using that.

[2:37] So that would save They use the loader during the week for

[2:41] the pit stuff. Okay, that's the reason behind it.

[2:44] » Work week will be Saturday and Sunday, transfer station operating hours.

[2:54] Two days a week. >> Yes, two days a week. Wednesday's we're

[2:56] using the loader before they tend to that or they're

[2:59] using it. So there's really no sense to that.

[3:02] » And and you know what, you might want to add

[3:05] in Wednesdays as needed in case you want to take a day off.

[3:10] That's true. >> And Wednesday as

[3:15] » I I I tried to find somebody just to even ask for the year.

[3:20] » I know they don't want to work weekends. But he's willing to and I do believe

[3:24] that there are some certain weekends you might want to check with him that he

[3:27] might be willing to >> I have I have and I have talked with Pat

[3:30] and he said he doesn't have any problems.

[3:32] » Yeah. >> The rest of work week.

[3:35] » Yeah. This? Yeah. Okay, so the applicant is

[3:39] Jeffrey Atlee. He's worked here before for the highway garage. Um

[3:45] he certified to run the loader. He has a CDL.

[3:49] » Does he want to see it? >> You can see it if you can send it.

[3:54] He can work the grade. the bucket loader, but I feel only need

[3:57] the loader right there. You sure, right?

[4:01] Yeah. >> Yeah, there's no problem there.

[4:04] You can fire him if you want. >> Mhm.

[4:07] » So, I didn't think he'd want to work again.

[4:09] » I tried to get him to come back to the highway department.

[4:12] » Yeah, he didn't want to plow. He didn't want to plow.

[4:14] Yeah, he didn't want to plow. I already asked him.

[4:17] » [laughter]

[4:20] » Okay, so is there any you want to see this summer?

[4:22] » This is only for the summer, too, right? >> Yeah, this is just for the summer.

[4:25] » Till fall. Till grass, man.

[4:28] » Uh we probably ought to say that. >> Yeah, well, yeah. Well, well, I suppose

[4:32] we can >> Um

[4:36] Okay, well, that money is going to run out.

[4:38] » So, that money will run out. Yeah, we had that allocated.

[4:41] » In in in addition to what we just wrote in the results section, maybe we should

[4:46] say for the term

[4:49] or for the duration of the summer until whatever date Right. Whatever date he's

[4:54] going to pick.

[5:00] » Cuz the money we allocated

[5:05] » Yeah, it depends on how many um Yeah.

[5:08] Um how about in keeping with the budgeted amount?

[5:11] You know, because there's there's uh there's almost 5,000. I think it's 4,800

[5:15] left in that budget, which if he was working Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday,

[5:19] the whole time, you know, he wouldn't even run out of money by the week of

[5:23] September. So, if he's not going to do Wednesday,

[5:26] » No, I I really don't know. >> he can go further into the month. So,

[5:29] I'm thinking till the money runs out. >> [cough]

[5:31] » However, for the duration of the [clears throat]

[5:33] summer,

[5:36] commencing at the completion of the budgeted amount. Say something like

[5:40] that. >> Not not commencing.

[5:42] Ending. >> Which I mean

[5:45] » And you you mean ending. >> For the duration of the summer.

[5:50] Okay. >> Once you've consumed the budget.

[5:54] » Whenever the money goes out. >> [cough]

[5:56] » Because that would bring them into fall because you do still have the people

[5:59] coming up your town. >> Oh, yeah.

[6:01] » They'll come right up until first snow. I've been watching my receipts

[6:07] for the last 2 years and even January, February, March were usually slow right

[6:12] up all you know

[6:14] people. And I think more of

[6:24] » How about not to exceed not to exceed budget amount.

[6:28] » Yeah.

[6:37] » And if you want Cynthia, I can type this into [clears throat] this and send it to

[6:41] you in a Word document so you have the full thing.

[6:45] » So we'll put Jeff's name in the on the blank there.

[6:47] » Yeah, we'll put Jeffrey acronym.

[6:54] Okay. And I'll do that. I'll type his name in

[6:57] there. >> Thank you.

[6:58] » Okay.

[7:00] Okay. >> Any other discussion that you want to

[7:04] have before we vote? >> Okay. All in favor say aye.

[7:07] » Aye.

[7:19] » Second resolution is to approve the submission of the RFP seeking proposals

[7:24] for feasibility study and construction costs for

[7:27] 50 by 80 pavilion. Someone want to bring this to the floor?

[7:31] » I will. >> Yeah, done. And then add you to be

[7:35] second. Okay.

[7:38] Um So, Warren County Planning

[7:43] has been helping work on this proposal. They've done the majority of the work on

[7:47] this as far as all the wording. I've also gotten Well, it's all on the

[7:51] thing. I'll read it and then we'll move both from there.

[7:54] Whereas the Town of Thurman is the recipient of the Smart Road Grant in the

[7:58] amount of $35,000 for the purpose of hiring an engineer to complete a

[8:02] feasibility study which would include the design and estimated costs as well

[8:07] as ABA compliance requirements and provide a document that can assist the

[8:11] town in obtaining grant funding for the implementation of the project. And

[8:15] whereas an RFP has been completed with the assistance of the Warren County

[8:18] Planning Department, Warren County Purchasing Department, and various

[8:22] professionals at the Department of Environmental Conservation, Division of

[8:26] Lands and Forests. And whereas this grant requires

[8:29] submission to New York State certified minority and women-owned business

[8:33] enterprises as well as New York State certified service-disabled veterans, be

[8:38] it resolved that the Town Board of the Town of Thurman approves the submission

[8:41] of an RFP seeking proposals from MWBE and SDVOB qualified engineers.

[8:50] Okay? And then you have I think it's like 15 or 18 pages of this

[8:54] proposal. So, I need board approval before I can

[8:57] send this out to all of the minority and women-owned businesses and

[9:03] disabled vets that are on the list that I get from these

[9:07] organizations. >> So, in your resolution, I think this

[9:13] sentence it something doesn't make sense. It said would include a design

[9:17] and estimated costs. I mean, when you're talking about estimated cost estimated

[9:22] cost [clears throat] of what? Cuz this is this is the design. You're

[9:25] you're hiring the engineer and it's for you

[9:29] you're contracting for engineering services.

[9:33] What estimated costs are we talking about?

[9:35] » The estimated costs for build for whatever they decide as far as what it's

[9:39] going to cost for the whole project. For the pavilion itself, for the ADA

[9:43] compliancy, anything else that we

[9:46] » So, you you're talking about to prepare a cost estimate.

[9:49] » Yes. >> Okay, then I think we need to rewrite

[9:52] this. So, feasibility study which would

[9:57] um include

[10:01] » They're going to design Well, they're not going to build it, but they're going

[10:03] to design it.

[10:06] » I would say it would include the necessary design documents

[10:10] and an engineering cost estimate.

[10:16] » An engineering cost estimate? Well, >> Or an engineer's cost estimate.

[10:24] I mean, to say estimated cost, I mean, it's

[10:27] confusing the way cuz that doesn't say what you mean.

[10:32] It's not saying what you're intending it to say.

[10:37] I hate to be picky about it, but it it's not grammatically correct.

[10:42] » All right, so it would include the necessary design

[10:46] and engineered cost estimate? Isn't that

[10:50] sort of the same?

[10:54] » Estimated cost makes it sound like the estimated cost to build it or I mean,

[11:00] the >> It would be

[11:02] » I didn't say that right. Um

[11:08] Tell you what, just make it say estimated cost of construction.

[11:12] » Okay.

[11:15] » Just take the S off and say of construction afterwards.

[11:18] » All right, that's fine. That works for which would include the necessary design

[11:23] and estimated cost of construction. Mhm. Okay.

[11:35] » Did you get that? >> I'll type it in for her anyway. I always

[11:39] fix it in I always If anything changes, I do it in Word so she has it to copy

[11:43] and paste for the minutes. Yeah.

[11:48] Right. >> Um I just have one question about the

[11:52] what we're talking about here. How did we arrive at this size that you like?

[11:57] » Um to fit the to fit the ice rink in side of it with room.

[12:03] I think it would be like 40 by 65 is the ice rink. So, we'd have

[12:08] about a few feet around the edges of the ice rink.

[12:11] » So, the ice rink that we have is [snorts]

[12:15] it's just a recreational ice rink. It's not

[12:18] it's not like a regulation hockey size or a

[12:21] » hockey size. It's 40 by 65.

[12:27] » Regulation hockey is a lot >> Well, it came with it came with hockey

[12:32] uh goalie things and stuff.

[12:35] » I think that's just for kids to play. I mean, it's not it's

[12:40] not a whole competitive size ice rink. Competitive

[12:43] size ice rink is way bigger. >> Well, our ice rink I think is 40 by 65.

[12:48] » Yeah. Okay.

[12:49] » So, that left me about 5 ft because of the pillar the way the pillars will take

[12:53] up space on the concrete. So, we need

[12:57] a little bit bigger than what that would be.

[13:02] » I mean, I just want to make sure that

[13:05] what we're building is going to suit the intent that you're trying to go for

[13:10] because it sounds like from what you've said before that you want to bring

[13:14] people to town. >> Right.

[13:16] » To rent space or to rent ice time? >> Well, not just that like but we could

[13:21] have flea market up there or self-serve coffee could be up there. They'll have a

[13:25] dance floor area there. >> And those things are all like you can

[13:28] make it of you can make it any size you want those

[13:31] things. But when you start talking about something like hockey

[13:35] the ice rinks are specific sizes. Regulation size is the one that we had.

[13:40] » Right. Rather than do a regulation >> Yes.

[13:43] » This this is just >> Well, we got we got to go a little bit

[13:45] bigger than what we had. >> Yeah.

[13:48] Well, because the pillars are right in front of them.

[13:52] » The people most of the people go to the time and

[13:56] Zachary they want to sit on the same platform with the band with no walls in

[14:01] front. >> Mhm.

[14:02] » And this would be perfect. And that's about the average size that the other

[14:07] » Yeah. >> And that's about what we could deal with

[14:10] up there and what we don't you know. >> Well, see we

[14:13] we've always had our regular pavilion plus the white tent. When you add up

[14:18] that square footage it's it's pretty large.

[14:21] » So, I guess what I'm what I'm going with

[14:23] this is what I'm

[14:26] » [clears throat] >> is rather than

[14:28] specify and tell the engineer this is the size we want have him evaluate what

[14:33] we're trying to do and tell us what size fits our needs.

[14:37] » Mhm. >> Because maybe he'll come back and say,

[14:40] "Well, it really should be 60 by 100." I don't know.

[14:45] » Yeah. >> You know, we're we're we're dictating

[14:48] the size that we don't even know if that size is right because having only 5 ft

[14:53] around the sides if you're going to have

[14:56] like spectators parents coming to watch a hockey game

[15:00] they don't usually just stand around the boards and having only 5 ft doesn't

[15:04] leave much room for people to stand around it. So,

[15:07] ultimately you may end up wanting a different size rink than what you're

[15:11] specifying. And if you lock the engineer into it and he designs this and then

[15:15] later on we go, "Man, that didn't really work."

[15:18] You might want something different. >> In section two though it does say

[15:23] approximately. It says approximately 50 by 80.

[15:27] It says 50, actually. Yeah. 50 by 80, approximately. So, I mean, that's up for

[15:32] discussion when they >> Okay.

[15:35] » We're limited to what you can actually build up there for the distance of

[15:39] property.

[15:46] » Yeah, I just don't want to see him walk into something

[15:50] It's all the money we have or something that

[15:52] cuz that's all we wanted, whatever. >> Yeah.

[15:54] » I mean, it should be.

[15:57] » We we can We can make anything happen.

[16:02] » What is the figure approximately 50 by 80?

[16:05] » Yeah, that's what it says in the It says approximately in the RFP.

[16:11] I'll tell you, I don't know how those >> Well, the notice questionnaire says

[16:14] processing for 50 by 80. >> No, it doesn't say it on this page.

[16:20] » Yeah. >> Should be soon. But, I can add that.

[16:23] » I I would That would be my recommendation is to to make it

[16:29] » Okay, I can do that.

[16:35] » Yeah, but you don't want it bigger. Always go bigger.

[16:38] » Always go bigger. No, I don't know. 50 by 80, I mean, we measured it up there.

[16:42] Yeah, it's a pretty good size. >> It'll be tight. It'll be tight. It'll be

[16:44] tight. Piece of ground we have 80 ft.

[16:48] Yeah. Everything I've ever built needs to be bigger.

[16:51] » [laughter] >> I'm telling you, it's just it's just the

[16:54] way things work.

[16:57] » And no one ever wants to go smaller. >> No.

[17:00] » Yeah. >> So. It's pretty much

[17:04] » I think my requirement is I need to have at least 60% of it from a minority

[17:09] women-owned business [snorts] and then 6% from disabled veterans. So, we'll

[17:13] have to send this out to every single the on the list, no matter where they

[17:16] are in the state. It's quite a bit of people.

[17:19] Um we went through that one.

[17:23] But we do have some local. >> Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do you see them there?

[17:30] » Who was it?

[17:37] Oh. Oh, yeah. You had told me about that.

[17:40] Yeah.

[17:45] Okay. Is there any other discussion on it?

[17:48] Okay. All in favor, say aye. >> Aye.

[17:55] » Um I did, when I went down to my county

[17:59] meeting,

[18:05] Okay. There are two bills here. One is Packerland.

[18:09] They came in. They're from when the paving was done back in June. One is

[18:13] from May. Um they didn't get paid with the last

[18:18] come on meeting. And Pat needs these to

[18:23] file for chips. I think it's due August 8th.

[18:26] So there won't be enough time to wait to pay them. So these are the bills. So

[18:30] they're small. They're 1,245. And then this other one is for Mike

[18:35] Tobin. And what happened here is

[18:40] for some reason Microsoft 365, which is our email and the word

[18:45] word and excel and all that, wasn't taking my credit card. So Mike

[18:49] Tobin put it on his personal card to get to keep us running cuz they had

[18:54] to shut our email down for a bit. Um and I want to reimburse him as quick

[18:58] as possible. So I have a resolution.

[19:02] I'll have to do it to the floor, but um just to approve these two bills to be

[19:07] paid. >> So those are ones that we're adding to a

[19:10] previous abstract? What are these? >> This is This is the next abstract. It's

[19:14] abstract eight. It's our August abstract, but this allowing me to pay it

[19:18] now instead of waiting for the meeting. Like a prepayment like these up here.

[19:23] » Okay. >> And they're listed on here.

[19:27] So. >> So, you want to

[19:30] state a resolution for it? >> Yeah.

[19:32] Resolution to approve two invoices from abstract eight for

[19:37] Peckham and Malcolm >> in the amount of

[19:41] » Yeah, in the amount of Peckham is in the amount of $247.10

[19:47] and $998.12.

[19:51] Malcolm is $311.64.

[19:56] And I'll take this over for you, Cynthia.

[19:59] » Thank you, ma'am. >> Yeah.

[20:02] Okay. >> So, that's the resolution. I'll make the

[20:05] motion. >> Second.

[20:20] » Okay. All in favor, say aye.

[20:23] » Aye. >> Any opposed?

[20:29] And then the discussion item I have is when I was

[20:33] at the county I was talking to Evan Garrett about our

[20:38] cemetery situation. Ethan Garrett from county planning was

[20:41] there, and he said that they do they do cemetery planning like what we

[20:46] need done. So, yesterday I had meetings again. I brought a copy of the

[20:53] cemetery plot that we had done already, the survey that we had already received,

[20:58] and I brought it down there, and real property scanned it in. He's going to

[21:01] send it to Ethan, and I'll find out if they can help us planning cemetery. He

[21:06] said that they it. >> Okay. So, along those lines, I did call

[21:12] Don Barrow. Spoke to him. He said they have all the field work done. He

[21:16] apologized profusely for not wrapping this up. He said that he would pull up

[21:20] that afternoon and talk to his guys and that he will be sending me something.

[21:25] » Oh. >> He indicated like within a day or two,

[21:29] but it's been more than that. So, I If I don't hear something by early next week,

[21:32] I will call him again. But, he he knows that it's long overdue.

[21:37] He knows he's got to get it done. He is He's committed to getting it done. So,

[21:43] I'll give him another week or so and if he doesn't get it done, I'll just

[21:48] call somebody. >> Okay.

[21:52] Yeah. They're all busy. Yeah, exactly.

[21:58] Unless you are going to pick up some more.

[22:07] Yeah. I better write it down.

[22:12] Did you hear anything about the plant closing?

[22:15] Anybody? plant that it was closing. >> I heard that rumor. I Maybe it's just a

[22:20] rumor. I heard that and the same guy I heard the rumor about

[22:24] Finch shutting down. >> I don't

[22:26] know. The only thing I've heard is Finch buying it.

[22:28] » Yeah. Yeah. >> They're not closing. They're just not

[22:31] buying. So, it's still open. >> Yep.

[22:39] Okay. So, do you want to let Jeff know >> Yeah, I'll tell him.

[22:45] » Great. Thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate you.

[22:48] » Do you need him to fill out paperwork or is he already an employee? So,

[22:51] » He's been an employee and I just got to make sure he doesn't want to change

[22:55] anything, but yeah, all I had to fill out was an application. That's what

[22:59] So, but he's been Yeah, if he wants anything again,

[23:06] Yeah.

[23:17] Yeah. Yeah, somebody ordered

[23:21] Yeah. Thank you.

[23:25] And be good.

[23:30] I like that. >> [snorts]

[23:33] » He'll work till the money runs out. That's how long he'll work.

[23:40] When does that start? Remember though, right?

[23:43] September 26th. Um All right, well, we know.

[23:49] That's when you're gone. Okay.

[23:52] All right, [snorts] well, then you're up. We're adjourned.

[23:53] » Motion to adjourn. >> I'll second.

[23:56] » Okay. >> All right.

[23:58] » Aye.

[24:01] » Okay.

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