[0:01] Make a motion to start the meeting.

[0:07] » Yes. >> Yes.

[0:14] » Okay. Welcome the board committee meeting.

[0:18] Just want to remind everyone uh basically that this is a open

[0:24] discussion. Uh is kind of an informational meeting back and forth. uh

[0:28] nothing's going to get voted on tonight or anything. Obviously, there's three of

[0:31] us here. Uh so that nothing's going to get get voted on or anything like that.

[0:35] I would also encourage that uh to set the dialogue to the meeting that we're

[0:41] going to use for some more format that we did uh last time. I'm not going to

[0:46] read everything be honest with you. >> Thank you. Um,

[0:50] so we can maybe explain, you know, what we're talking

[0:54] about and things like that, but just so everyone is is aware. Uh, and then we,

[0:59] uh, we will allow for, uh, public comment, uh, at the end. Um and then

[1:06] also I encourage to if you have any type of comments that uh want to be u given

[1:12] to you can put them in writing as well and then to the committee then can take

[1:17] them back to uh the board as well. So keep that in mind too.

[1:24] Um first off uh basically after the last

[1:30] meeting that we had going through the ordinance

[1:34] um we obviously had dialogue back and forth and then we earthrise uh give us a

[1:42] rebuttal to in writing to some of the things that were in the uh ordinance.

[1:47] And that's what we plan to do today is to go through um and look at some of the

[1:52] things that you guys are talking about uh and kind of go from there. And then

[1:57] we've gone through Vanessa, I'm sure you've gone through some of it as well.

[2:00] Um maybe provide you with a few comments and then something you can take back to

[2:05] the board. Yeah. Um

[2:10] the first one uh basically would be uh under the 350.52 principal use uh letter

[2:18] A uh regarding a uh CS CSEF or USS as a principal use may be

[2:27] allowed only as follows in the three sections of uh tier one, tier two and

[2:34] park. So talk about that.

[2:43] » So, we found the 2 and 1/2 mile setback um that we know of is existing solar

[2:50] facilities that are less than 2 and a half miles from this location uh such as

[2:55] the one that's just north of the old uh GM foundry site. So the existence of

[3:01] that alone would prohibit us from citing these projects in this location under

[3:06] those rules we're seeing now.

[3:11] If if I'm mistaken there and there are no existing facilities within 2 and a

[3:16] half miles that of course is kind of null and avoided at that point but we

[3:21] are as far as I know there's an existing facility within a 2 and 1 half mile area

[3:26] site.

[3:31] Um in addition to that one u

[3:38] this reference says that [clears throat] u no utility scale solar is allowed

[3:43] within the first tier or the first half mile. So we do find that one to be um

[3:49] prohibited as well [clears throat]

[3:54] in what? >> Well, it's in the sense that it just

[3:59] prohibits us from being able to site our project in in the area, you know,

[4:05] wouldn't allow us to submit an application because of, you know, what's

[4:09] the difference between the community solar being cited within half mile

[4:12] versus the utility. They're both utility scale solar or they're both solar

[4:17] facilities. Um so in this instance

[4:23] because of the location of the project being known and a good chunk of that you

[4:29] know being within that half mile um you know we think it's it's something

[4:36] that basically prohibits this project.

[4:44] I mean, I it would certainly it maybe we're interpreting it the wrong way, but

[4:49] it would seem to prohibit any utility scale project. Um, if you read them all

[4:54] together within the ETJ, that's one concern. And then I have a

[5:00] concern about the 2 and 1 half mile I'm going to call a setback.

[5:05] uh because I get maybe it's a question well is the

[5:10] intent to have that extend beyond uh Tilton zoning jurisdiction because I

[5:16] mean depending on where you start you're going to end up in Indiana so I don't

[5:20] think that there's any authority for the village to extend its zoning

[5:24] jurisdiction outside of its you know limits

[5:31] » Indiana's at seven miles

[5:35] Um I guess

[5:40] I'll answer that particular >> well can I guess you I would almost

[5:45] awfully is that my anticipation for the nature of this meeting is me just taking

[5:49] a bunch of notes about the discussions between committee and potential

[5:53] authorized comments about things in terms of what the next draft is going to

[5:57] look like. Um, and so, you know, that's practically my perspective is not

[6:02] getting to debate about what their commentary is is listen to what they

[6:05] have to say and if it's something that needs to be considered in terms of next

[6:08] draft, then we'll consider it. But I think that tonight or what the

[6:12] commentary is. >> So, I guess fair enough on that side and

[6:16] I think it's easier just to hear it from the horse's mouth on that side. He's

[6:19] taking notes and we'll go through that. So if I can't provide you with an actual

[6:22] answer tonight that's suffice for you just know that it's getting noted and it

[6:28] will be spoke about. Uh some of these things honestly I don't know I I don't

[6:32] know what the answer is or thought process behind it. Um but I can we can

[6:36] take notes and obviously talk about it again. So I guess then to to recap on

[6:43] that without I don't expect to give an answer but the concern would be that uh

[6:48] depending on where you start from um forget about Indiana that was an

[6:52] exaggeration but depending on where you start from uh the 2 and a half miles

[6:58] would easily extend beyond the zoning jurisdiction of the village and I don't

[7:04] I don't think the zoning jurisdiction uh I don't think the village is has the

[7:09] authority to extend its zoning jurisdiction beyond its corporate

[7:13] boundaries plus the 1 and a half mile ETJ. So that would be I would that would

[7:19] be problematic in terms of applying that 2 and 1/2 mile

[7:24] radius set

[7:30] » isn't community solar 5 megawatts or less

[7:34] » and how how many megawws or yeah is Is this one this 1400 Chris

[7:42] » 188

[7:58] is the I guess Kyle's point aside is the intention for

[8:02] here regionally to to place u community soldiers no no less than and a half

[8:09] miles from each other or is this like does it blend together both community

[8:13] and utilities? So like any type >> I I don't particularly know the the

[8:18] exact answer to that to be honest with you. I if I had to guess maybe my own

[8:24] opinion of it is that maybe a stretch of of uh within two and a half mile say

[8:29] we're if a village is five miles long okay and you have for example you have

[8:34] one on on one end and you can't put one next door to it. I mean,

[8:37] » right, >> you're you're on our doorstep. So, we

[8:40] want to maybe regulate that. That would maybe be an interpretation. I don't

[8:44] know, but that could be part of the discussion.

[8:47] » Okay. Thank you.

[8:55] » Anything else on paper?

[9:01] say something. Uh, is it the language intended to exclude transmission lines

[9:05] and related infrastructure within half a mile of village boundaries?

[9:13] That's >> it. So, okay.

[9:25] » Sorry, I'm expecting to actually run up today.

[9:35] » Um, should we move on to the next one? >> Uh, yeah. I'm just double checking my

[9:38] notes so I don't miss something. >> Okay. Uh yes, we'll go to the next one

[9:43] which is uh under setbacks. Um talking about the

[9:48] setbacks portion.

[10:04] » Yeah. I mean I think our in our response it's kind of pretty clear, but u we find

[10:10] 1800 ft to be um overly excessive uh again prohibitive to the project.

[10:19] Um we found examples pre-state sighting law

[10:23] where there were 3 to 500 ft in certain counties or municipalities um as

[10:28] examples. Uh we certainly intend to uh design the

[10:35] project with extended setbacks uh especially

[10:39] around non non-participating homes uh with regards to that. Uh but yeah, we

[10:46] would ask that you know this 1,800 ft be dramatically reduced.

[10:53] as far as your extended setbacks that you're talking about and you know if we

[10:56] recognize 1,800 ft is is far what your idea of a

[11:02] » yeah setback. >> Yeah. So this this site you know we

[11:05] think it's kind of going to require a little bit of a custom approach to these

[11:10] setbacks. Um reason I say that is because

[11:15] there's there's more homes directly impacted in Catlin's jurisdiction than

[11:20] there is in Tilton. Not to say that there isn't any in Tilton that are

[11:24] impacted, but it's substantially more in Catlin. And so, um, you know, on the if

[11:30] you think if you look at our project and think of the north side, there's nobody

[11:34] living there. It's just the interstate, right? So, we don't want to have to set

[11:38] back 4 500 ft from the interstate, for example. That could be a very standard

[11:43] setback. If we look at the eastern side of the project, the non-participating

[11:48] home owners uh have a lot of vegetation on their properties that have already

[11:53] been existing there >> across the road. It's not even on the

[11:57] same side of the road. the only home that's on the same side is actually a

[12:00] participating land owner and you know he h he's got a certain area of the project

[12:06] and if we set back if we have to set back 500 ft then you know he's

[12:10] essentially being cut out of the project in that case um so it's like in that

[12:16] scenario you know as I said there's a lot of

[12:19] trees on properties across the road uh there is actually a great amount of

[12:24] distance we looked at it this morning between the outside wall of any one of

[12:29] those homes and where this project may be relative to them. Um so that's why

[12:34] you know from Tilton we would ask that the setbacks be more aligned with the

[12:38] state siding law just simply because of the fact that there there aren't as many

[12:43] homes. Now there is a certain part of the project where kind of both

[12:47] jurisdictions in with regards to the setback topic kind of overlap and that's

[12:51] right along Tilton Cat Road. And so what we're doing right now is we

[12:57] [clears throat] are telling our contractor to design a project where we

[13:00] maintain capacity and we can maximize

[13:05] setbacks on Tilton Cat Road and on the western side of the project. So the

[13:10] western kind of the northwestern area. So our guidance to them has been like

[13:15] tell us what the maximum is. That's what we're going to approach this as. Is it

[13:19] 300 ft? Is it 500 ft? Is it 800 ft? And so what we're trying to, you know,

[13:25] really control for here is the areas where this is going to be most visible

[13:29] where it's most impacted. And to us that that appears to be right along Tilson C

[13:34] road 1250 east kind of going east north going up from there and the east along

[13:39] that road that connects to that. So like that whole area we're really looking at

[13:44] extended setbacks. But again, because of the interstate on the Europe North,

[13:47] because of no adjacent like property, nonparticipating property owners on the

[13:51] east, we request from the village to align that with the state sighting bill

[13:56] knowing that we're really approaching this on a customized basis. And the way,

[14:01] you know, we can we can implement that to give sure to folks is putting those

[14:07] in their um entering into good neighbor agreements with them and entering those

[14:12] setbacks into those agreements with them. That will be a way to approach

[14:17] [clears throat] this on a customizable setback basis.

[14:22] » Can I ask another question? You said there's a bunch of trees.

[14:27] There's nothing you're talking about on his property. There's one tree. Where

[14:31] where are the rest of those trees? I drive up and down the road 10 times a

[14:34] day. Where are they? I apologize if >> so here's here's what we're this is what

[14:40] I'm I'm not going to have is is >> okay that's why I said

[14:45] » it's okay but the way I understand there's some frustration and things like

[14:48] that with the whole project but this is this idea is not behind whether we like

[14:53] it or don't >> that's true but he needs to speak facts

[14:56] doesn't he I understand I'm trying to get it out

[15:01] too um is that I I don't want the dialect back just between you

[15:06] It's it's one of them things if you have a question I'm okay with it otherwise

[15:08] I'll shut it off and we won't have it till the end because it is a lot of

[15:12] rough to remember questions and sometimes when you're in in the heat of

[15:15] something you you know it's easy to hey I got a question

[15:20] right there ask one question >> okay

[15:22] » and if I just wanted to add one general thing as a reminder I think I think it

[15:27] was in a report the uh third party consultant that the village hired had

[15:32] indicated that he thought that the 1800 100 foot setback was excessive.

[15:37] » That actually just to clarify that too is that that was a professor that the

[15:41] mayor reached out to just as an opinion. We didn't hire that person. Okay. Um he

[15:46] was looking for some sort of uh information out of someone other than an

[15:51] outside source. But yes, I my apologies. I thought they were they were

[15:55] consultant. But yeah, I remember the last a letter was rather some

[16:02] last [clears throat] about um you know, a participating owner um who uh you

[16:09] know, they they're going to have to be far away. Well, I think in section

[16:13] 350.52 under D4,

[16:18] it talks about um the setbacks for um if if a homeowner or or you let's say

[16:27] somebody um participates in in the utility scale or otherwise approves the

[16:32] setbacks closer Those particular property owners can do that

[16:38] » do that. >> They can they can say we

[16:42] » wait that [clears throat]

[16:53] if you have anything. >> Yeah.

[17:03] And one thing I guess I had down a couple things um was that it the terms

[17:10] were used out of the this is outside the industry norms. Of course there's

[17:13] nothing normal about this project. I guess 1400 acres of of

[17:18] new industry that we're we're looking at. So uh

[17:25] just understand that both sides are trying to trying to think of think of

[17:29] stuff here. So um and I think some of the

[17:36] some of the thought process too is that you know that's one of the ways we can

[17:40] grow open is at that direction. So going to the the half a mile and uh some of

[17:47] the setbacks and things too. And if you're on our doorstep then it's not

[17:51] going to be for land. I mean, we have to keep that in mind, too. And as we're

[17:58] going forward, trying to find a reasonable solution to it. Anything

[18:04] else on

[18:13] » uh storm water and nes facility sh be subject to storm water

[18:20] management 78

[18:44] Um,

[18:48] so we tried to provide a well, we're actually having consult and

[18:54] prepare a very thorough response to this. Um we do

[19:02] we understand that the concern around one of the main concerns around this is

[19:08] its impact to potential groundwater. Uh

[19:15] we would ask if the village could be more specific as to

[19:21] what type of equipment or activity is creating this concern.

[19:27] U you know perhaps it's the modules or the panels perhaps something else. Uh,

[19:34] you know, the issue we have with testing of water in addition to the reasons

[19:42] mentioned last time, which is there's just been so much activity around this

[19:46] project area in the past, and we don't know what can flow where over what

[19:54] amount of time. And so, we don't want to be held liable

[19:58] for something that occurred from a zinc site to the east or coal mines go west.

[20:04] Uh but also uh this requirement

[20:10] will be prohibitive to our financing and insurability of the project. So

[20:17] we absolutely want to work with the village and the [clears throat]

[20:20] community on this topic, but we're trying to find a different way uh that

[20:25] still gets to kind of the same asurances.

[20:29] Um so if it's you know hey we don't want we're concerned about tellite panels we

[20:36] can commit to not using those um we write and sign something to that

[20:42] effect uh but I think you know out of all the

[20:46] items uh in here you know the groundwater testing issue is the biggest

[20:51] issue for us it's not because we have concerns that it could cause a problem

[20:58] It's simply because if there's an insurability issue,

[21:03] because of these potential liabilities that could come up as mentioned in the

[21:07] future, who knows when and because of what? Uh and therefore the financing of

[21:12] the project also gets into jeopardy. So again, you know, it's we would ask for

[21:17] more detail around what about these projects creates this concern and why

[21:22] doesn't some other kind of infrastructure investment create the

[21:26] same issue or concern. Um so that's kind of you know what we'd like what we'd

[21:32] like to know out of this is you know what what about our process in

[21:36] construction or operations and how can we mitigate that?

[21:40] And and as a followup, I think that last question is important for legal reasons

[21:46] as well because singling out of one particular use and making them do

[21:52] testing while not applying that testing requirement to other uses raises uh I

[22:00] think due process and constitutional issues potentially.

[22:04] uh because uh so I think that the village is going to have to do some

[22:09] homework on why that um why that's justified. For example, when you know

[22:15] we're talking about steel and metal and glass that virtually well many other

[22:24] businesses for example are going to use. And so the question is why is this

[22:29] particular use being singled out and not those other ones? Um and I think uh

[22:36] expose [clears throat] the village to can the questions about that that

[22:40] singling out a single use as arbitrary and precious thing.

[22:46] » Well, I I uh just my personal opinion on it when I I look at it and I think about

[22:52] I'm not a solo solar farm do planning these. Um, but as you're you're going

[22:58] out and putting uh putting these up, one thing I can think about is driving, you

[23:05] know, something in the ground 15 ft deep is going to be the first concern. So,

[23:11] it's been farmland this whole time and if you're taking fertilizer, pesticide,

[23:17] whatever is out there, you know, you're going to allow that to potentially

[23:20] penetrate the the ground and it would get into the aquaur.

[23:25] um you know and we could go on for hours and debate that and I couldn't because I

[23:29] don't know that much about it but I'm sure we could.

[23:31] » Um so I mean I think that could be one particular thing right there. Um I think

[23:37] the same concern could happen for an area uh person that owns a owns

[23:44] home what happens if they're well cracked up what happens if it you know

[23:48] something happens that their oils contaminated at this point and once

[23:52] again whose fault is it? I don't know. I'm not saying it could be yours. It

[23:55] just I don't know. So, I think that's getting everything out and and about in

[24:00] the beginning. Uh the samples and things is is probably smart and ongoing

[24:06] with the time is going to reassure that it's not you you know if it would happen

[24:11] to be a coal coal mine for example. U thinks the same thing would be, you

[24:18] know, as far as your your concern about um singling solar out. I I I'm not here

[24:25] to single anybody out because if it was a fertilizer plant that is going to

[24:29] drive 15t pile of, you know, steel poles in the ground, then I think they need to

[24:33] do it as well. So, part of this whole thing of going over is to adjust some of

[24:38] our uh ordinances and look at some things that maybe we've never had

[24:43] before. Um, and we're adjusting some of that stuff. So, that's I think that's

[24:47] what we're doing at this point. So, uh, >> is there a specific

[24:53] uh project that was going out there and that we didn't

[24:58] um require that from them? I I'm not aware that the village has

[25:03] this requirement that applies to other types of facilities such as a fertilizer

[25:08] plant or a grain elevator or anything like that. So I'm maybe you do but if

[25:13] you do then I think you're going to be in better shape from a legal standpoint

[25:17] but I don't think you do. No we don't. That's what I'm telling you. Part part

[25:21] of this looking at all this with the whole point was trying to look at some

[25:24] potential problems that we have come about. That's the reason we're

[25:28] here. So, you know, you you brought a point.

[25:34] » Oh, sorry. Something >> go ahead.

[25:39] » I guess from a risk standpoint, and I'm I mean, I'm possessed intensively

[25:43] [clears throat] from a risk standpoint and done a risk

[25:47] assessment. I guess it's not so much of the materials that you're using, it's

[25:53] the process and it's the procedure that's being done is what the concern

[25:58] is. Well, from a a legal standpoint, again,

[26:01] I mean, you're singling out a particular use and they haven't they established

[26:06] that that that aren't other facilities that have the same process as you're

[26:09] referring to. >> So, I think those risks are associated

[26:12] with plenty of other activities and uses that could be cited in this area.

[26:16] » Is it against the law to start the process right now?

[26:19] » But what I'm saying it's it's the it's the technique that's being used. There's

[26:24] a difference between when you're drilling 15 ft in deep multiple times

[26:29] across something versus when you're going to put something right on top.

[26:33] There's there's a difference in >> that's that's a question of volume and

[26:37] and you use the word drilling and that's not what happens with these tiles. But

[26:41] » but no, but they're breaking through the soil. You're breaking through all of the

[26:44] bedrock, the sand, the rock, the top soil. Everything is breaking. When you

[26:49] are breaking through anything like that, there's going to be compromise. I don't

[26:54] agree with you on that because you're also not a I look I don't want to get

[26:58] into our She's not an environmental scientist.

[27:00] » No, no, but I and I can tell you what the All I'm

[27:05] saying is they're legal concerns and there are other uses that do exactly

[27:09] what this facility is going to do. >> And I understand and that's what we're

[27:13] talking about >> and we don't want you doing what we're

[27:15] asking them not to do. >> Yeah, I agree. the way you're speaking

[27:18] to people. >> Okay.

[27:20] » We do have an ordinance um that says when our soil um engineering report when

[27:25] required by the village engineer um and necessary test boarding and shall

[27:29] contain all the information listed about um the nature um data regarding the

[27:34] nature distribution strength and erodability of the soil um conclusions

[27:39] and recommendations for grading procedures. I mean this is already one

[27:42] of our ordinances um >> that has our code under erosion and

[27:48] sediment control. >> Sure. Absolutely. But that's that's

[27:52] that's not the same thing as requiring groundwater to to to move on. Noted that

[27:59] this is the point >> we get. Yes.

[28:05] » Can I say something? um

[28:10] being in the agricultural business being on that property for

[28:15] very unique a lot of it is surface area

[28:22] it's the water movement across the surface

[28:27] and that is that is natural flow of water

[28:32] and if you're in the fertile business any other business like that would have

[28:35] containment this industry doesn't have containment

[28:39] to contain the water from the runoff. That's the difference.

[28:46] » If they would I think they would be have if they're going to use a certain tan

[28:50] then they would have required have containment contain water.

[28:58] Well, I mean, they will have to do a a they'll have to pull a a swift from the

[29:05] Illinois EPA that shows that the storm water will not be

[29:10] will not spread out. And if that there will be an engineering study done

[29:15] similar to what was described and if it shows that um a certain volume

[29:24] is is is exceeded, that's going to be disturbed. they will uh potentially have

[29:29] to to install detention pumps. >> You also got to look at the recharge

[29:36] because distribution and absorption rate is going to change too. So you've got

[29:40] recharge of water coming in and being absorbed. So because it's not what it is

[29:48] now and there's going to be spots, you're going to have a buffer in

[29:52] between.

[29:55] You cannot disrupt the natural flow of water,

[29:58] » right? >> The u what I have noticed is uh trucks

[30:05] out there doing are you already doing some sort of soil sample this point?

[30:13] » I was just curious.

[30:27] I just going over my notes to make sure I don't miss something.

[30:31] » Wasn't there coral samples pulled last fall?

[30:34] » Yeah. >> Yes. Yes, there was.

[30:37] » Yeah. >> But the question was like right now

[30:40] trucks out there. >> Yeah. The question was now

[30:45] but we did have a technical survey conducted at level

[31:03] anything else.

[31:08] Okay. because ground cover and buffer areas.

[31:15] » Yeah, this one I think is pretty straightforward. I mean,

[31:19] in accordance to to align with the Illinois Illinois Pollinator Friendly

[31:24] Act project would have pollinators planted

[31:29] within inside the fence line. For these pollinators to be able to propagate

[31:34] properly, it needs to reach a height of 36 in. That's what our real main concern

[31:39] is. And that's why, you know, in the notes here, we do suggest an alternative

[31:44] like if if you really do want it to stay at 10 in, we can we said, you know, the

[31:48] limit should not be closed until later in the summer. Aggregated plant have an

[31:53] opportunity to probably and I apologize that I'm not a

[31:59] horiculturist either. >> Neither. Oh yeah, but if I got a 4x4

[32:03] area at home and I I go find a 10x10 bush to put in it, I know it's not going

[32:08] to fit there. So, do they not make a pollinator that is 10 in high? It

[32:13] doesn't grow over that. >> I'm not sure. Um I do not know. Uh I do

[32:18] know what I do know about the pollinator seed mixes that the seed mixes are

[32:22] approved by the state for the specific area.

[32:26] Um, that's about all I know is my knowledge limitation on this.

[32:31] » That' probably be something to find out to note because that'll be a question if

[32:35] we >> were intending to have our director of

[32:37] environmental join the next call or the next meeting here. Um, so so we could

[32:42] cover some of these topics as well. >> Gotcha. How far off the ground are we

[32:45] solved?

[32:49] » Depends on design, but 8 to 10 ft. >> Yeah, max.

[32:56] What's I'm sorry I didn't maximum tilt tilt. Yeah,

[32:59] » the panel. >> What's the maximum? 8 ft is the maximum

[33:02] it will be when it's vertical. >> You can walk underneath.

[33:06] » That's what you're saying. I mean, walk underneath.

[33:10] » That's what I'm saying. How far off the ground will the panel be from the

[33:15] ground? The edge of the panel is tilting.

[33:19] » How are we What's it completely? If it's completely flat, let's say

[33:25] » 5t.

[33:32] » Okay. So, if it's tilted, then it's we take it down.

[33:38] » So, from the ground to the bottom of the panel, whether it's tilted or laying

[33:42] flat is going to be 5 to 7 ft. Uh I mean if it's tilted like this then

[33:48] the bottom becomes this part I guess which is going to be less than 5T at

[33:52] that point maybe four in that case when it's fully tilted down I'm not it's flat

[33:57] like this then that's the five level

[34:11] I thought something different like if we had uh

[34:16] inside is a certain height, outside is a certain height of the fenced area. Uh

[34:21] for example, could be a compromise potentially.

[34:24] » Uh it could be I think if it doesn't jeopardize this like Illinois pollinator

[34:30] friendly act for the for the project. I'm not there's a scorec card for it. Um

[34:35] and I'm not sure if the outside defense area is scored within that criteria. If

[34:41] it's not then yes to your question. If it is then we need to look into that.

[34:47] » Yeah. One thing additionally we met with the u soil and water conservation

[34:53] district um last week and they mentioned that they are often involved in

[35:00] approving and reviewing the vegetation management plan we come up with for this

[35:05] particular project. So they will have you know eyes on it and they're experts

[35:12] in that particular field. So sure that they have give us their approval on that

[35:16] as well. >> Who is that again?

[35:19] » Uh soil water conservation district.

[35:23] » Yes sir.

[35:33] Anything else on that?

[35:43] » [clears throat]

[35:46] » Okay. So, moving

[35:52] on. >> Yeah. I just make sure I didn't have

[35:54] something because I did like you did go through and have questions for YouTube.

[35:57] So, that's why it's taking me a minute to make sure I don't miss something. Uh

[36:01] be D12 visibility. facility designed to be screened in between.

[36:09] » Yeah, [clears throat] I I I think this one's pretty straightforward. um if

[36:13] refers to screening in two separate places in the ordinance.

[36:17] What you know if this if the project is to be screened around the entire

[36:21] perimeter, then what additionally would we need to

[36:26] do if some residential, you know, development came up front, you know, on

[36:31] any side that's already screened. So that's why we just found a issue with

[36:36] that. Um because you're asking for it to already be screened. So adding

[36:40] additional language saying If a residential development comes up, you

[36:44] will screen it. Screen one. Sorry. Screen. So that's that's all

[36:48] [clears throat] you wanted to clarify there.

[37:07] Part of this rolls into other things, but this is some of my comment, but one

[37:12] of the talking about screening uh in the fencing and and it rolls into the

[37:17] whether it's a cattle fence type you have your term for it. I don't remember

[37:21] what it is, but the uh but if we stuck with a a wood fence, you know, for

[37:27] example, uh you know, and some nice evergreens and things like that, that

[37:32] would help with that scenario, too, where the screening is already there. It

[37:36] looks nice. Somebody, you know, could build next to that, not worry about it.

[37:40] So, I think all that kind of goes hand in hand, you know, as we're trying to

[37:43] find something that makes sense along with noise because the noise is in there

[37:48] too with with uh trying to to help that. So, and we'll get into that a little bit

[37:54] a little bit later, but I think, you know, a thought with the evergreens

[37:57] being, you know, five, six feet. I know that was one comment we had last time,

[38:00] you know, plant these little foot tall things. I mean, not necessarily that you

[38:05] do it, but we see others doing it and and they're dead, you know, after the

[38:09] deer's on three times and all of a sudden no, nothing happens to it. So,

[38:13] that's what I think we're looking at trying to make sure that if if this does

[38:17] go, then we got a look that's going to be appealing to everyone moving forward

[38:23] to. >> Okay.

[38:27] » And same with wood fence. Who's going to maintain it? Because wood fence don't

[38:30] last very long. >> Uh we

[38:32] » especially when you're talking 30 some years.

[38:34] » Of course. Um the M team generally sources local for this type of work. So

[38:40] ming fence maintenance type work is sourced locally.

[38:45] » Be like for example the mall has I think Atlantic is like a

[38:52] goes and cleans up the mall and stuff like that. Um that'd be some very

[38:57] similar to that. have a company come in and take care of it.

[38:59] » Yeah. I mean, and you know, we have a project right now [clears throat]

[39:03] that started construction county uh and we're meeting with various land owners

[39:09] about the home during operations. >> We have several in Danville area. So, do

[39:16] you think they have a maintenance type? >> Um, you know, community solar projects

[39:23] are generally they're smaller, right? And because of

[39:27] their size, there's there's smaller investments, lower revenue, etc., etc.

[39:32] Uh sometimes they mo in most occasions, they won't have someone on site. Uh

[39:38] whereas this facility will have anywhere between three to five new hires that'll

[39:43] be working from the gas plant just down the road.

[39:47] Um so yeah I mean with with regards to

[39:52] community solar I can't speak towards any other company's operations but my

[39:56] general ob observation on it has been that community solar sites are very much

[40:01] managed remotely in a holistic sense uh with the exception of of mowing and

[40:06] those types of things and that's why you may also be seeing poor management of

[40:10] that because there's nobody actually around here to do something about it.

[40:15] Well, it makes me think too that just like everything else that you know if I

[40:19] want my itch to pick up the the room if they don't then they're going for it.

[40:25] » So that may be something too that we you >> Yeah, I think that's something we could

[40:30] definitely be okay with. Um you know, another good example. So we just went

[40:34] through this exercise at Gibson City. Um you know, Ford County required that we

[40:40] plant the trees prior to construction. We stated to them that

[40:46] um probably not a good idea uh because of all the construction activities and

[40:51] we'll have a lot more die out than what is already expected. Uh nonetheless

[40:56] they they wanted it so we did it. Uh that facility has now gone into

[41:02] commercial operations and we just replanted the trees, right? I mean

[41:06] that's your project. So >> yeah,

[41:09] » I just saw the invoice for the replant. So that's how I know where it is.

[41:13] » Yeah. I mean they they were adamant about having the uh tree running before

[41:17] construction. We did it then now we're um going back and replanting trees that

[41:23] died off during construction period to continue to be in accordance with their

[41:27] ordinance. But yeah, as it pertains to Gibson city um we're hiring a very

[41:32] professional group who

[41:36] looking to handle all the vegetative maintenance operations as well. So it'll

[41:40] be there's someone very specialized in that field that will be handling that

[41:43] during the operations. >> I have a real quick question on on the

[41:47] fencing. Any of your hammer substations have like

[41:51] six foot fence with three strands of fire wire

[41:55] wire that to keep people from there's lethal voltages.

[42:02] The connection of two panels together [clears throat] that's lethal.

[42:07] Besides the transformers that go up to 69,000 volts or whatever.

[42:14] » Yeah, that's something too that I I kind of I'm sure it's in my notes somewhere.

[42:18] I might have just but >> you guys are calling for a 10ft fence

[42:25] call for an 8ft fence and being able to synchronize on that for one thing.

[42:29] Another thing is it seems like need the three strands wire because any kid can

[42:34] climb over an 8 foot or 10 foot fence without wire.

[42:40] » And I understand that that's what that's another another thing with you know

[42:44] being in the country you know you kids go out and get into different things or

[42:49] curious four-wheelers all the time.

[42:53] » Yeah. Bicycles, scooters, motorbikes, >> they're all

[43:07] question outside source to maintain the fence and

[43:12] the vegetation. They have to be iners.

[43:23] Not the folks who are in charge of vegetation maintenance but construction

[43:28] during the construction period. There is a certain threshold of paper.

[43:33] » Is that something that could require them

[43:43] for supports doing this? I would think they would be on board.

[43:54] that >> we wouldn't have a problem with any sort

[43:56] of requirements. All of our projects are 100% paper

[44:16] 13. Uh the glare reflection

[44:21] » this one is I think it's pretty straightforward one. Um they just

[44:26] reference to glare and reflection. Um so we just asked that one term used there

[44:32] ideally glare. Um or sorry more specifically why reflection is the term

[44:38] used in there. Um so yeah we're just trying to

[44:42] remove some ambiguity there. Get some clarity. I I think glare is a

[44:48] more technical term perhaps a term of art and is it's used interchangeably in

[44:53] the provision with light reflection. So I think they're familiar with what glare

[44:58] is not sure what light reflection means. So that's what we want is the term the

[45:04] term of light reflection. That's what you separate

[45:09] » between

[45:12] then just go with one. >> Yeah. same thing as far as

[45:16] » well I know obviously with some of that compared to that whether it's glare

[45:20] light reflection or whatever the sunsets are bad you know the one approach cat

[45:26] anyway when I drive out that way but um in along the lines of that glare light

[45:31] reflection type thing um has there been any type of studies done

[45:37] » or what what can you explain some of the studies that happened during some of

[45:40] this >> yeah sure we we definitely get glare

[45:44] studies done for the project. Um we all of our projects uh that we develop show

[45:52] no glare. Um that's our goal. Uh we generally if glare does show up. So what

[46:00] they'll do is they'll take reference points. So if we think of um this

[46:06] project um let's just use Tilton C road as an example. uh maybe they'll have

[46:11] like call it half a dozen reference points from that road at a 10 foot

[46:16] height level. So they'll take into consideration from that reference point

[46:22] at 10ft height level what's the glare look like there and if there is and

[46:27] it'll also tell us like what time of day is it like the daytime you know or is it

[46:32] during the sunset is it western basin or eastern basin and at that point when we

[46:37] get that those reports back then we go through different mitigation strategies

[46:42] so if let's say something showed yellow glare to the east we would maybe more

[46:47] vegetation taller trees, uh maybe put some kind of fence screening in front of

[46:52] that area. So, there's there's multiple ways we can go about mitigating glare

[46:57] and it is one of our priority items as well developing project.

[47:03] » I know some of the some of the concerns obviously out there I had a actually one

[47:09] of my employees wrecked on a motorcycle out there and lost his life. But uh I

[47:16] look at different heights obviously. So you say 10 foot, you know, some we got

[47:20] tractor kids, we've got, you know, even the kids the

[47:25] um semis, combines, and there's all kinds of different. So I I would like to

[47:30] see when you do a study like that is to get the different very nice.

[47:36] I think that would be especially for the community that we're in. That would

[47:40] help. Good thing. >> And again, just just to make sure we're

[47:45] on the same page, I would recommend using the term glare because, for

[47:49] example, the FAA has a regulation that says you can't there can't be glare if

[47:56] you're if you have solar panels near an airport. Um, and they used to again,

[48:01] it's a it's a the term of art is glare, not other types of Yeah, I can

[48:07] understand. The birds get confused too when they're flying around because why?

[48:12] You're not a bird, but I think that another another

[48:16] [clears throat]

[48:20] 13.

[48:27] So, we'll go to 14, which is lighting. I'm sorry. I had some lighting.

[48:35] So, Oh, sorry. I'm I'm gonna get off of

[48:40] there for a minute. Um, as far as the lighting, so u I think just a few things

[48:46] that I kind of thought about was that u you know some of the terms of maintain

[48:52] lighting. Uh one of the situations we had in town was a a business uh that had

[48:58] some some lights but they weren't on and then it was it dependent on who had them

[49:03] on. Uh so you think of safety and and things of that nature. So basically we

[49:07] have to get terms in there. I feel that you maintain it. It's okay to put up a

[49:11] light bulb. We don't put a light bulb in it. Doesn't matter.

[49:14] » So that type of thing. Uh and I'm once again just thinking of of the things

[49:18] that we dealt with with other people. um for example um and then on 15 um you

[49:26] know on the cooling system I don't know a whole lot about it but going back to

[49:30] that whole containment and runoff and and things of that nature um and liquids

[49:36] you know uh stuff like that and maybe that would be something that maybe a a

[49:41] concrete barrier or some type of retainment barrier around the the

[49:44] cooling system uh or something might need to be

[49:49] looked at or something of that nature. So, um I've looked into enough of this

[49:54] stuff that make me dangerous and then sometimes I cough it and other times I I

[49:58] don't know what the hell I'm coughing up. But I'm just saying some of the

[50:02] things I see just trying to bring up thought processes.

[50:05] » Yeah. I mean the you know location of cooling systems for these projects would

[50:09] be at the inverter locations uh and then at the project substation

[50:15] that's where the cooling fans would be um

[50:19] substation equipment wise I will get more detail on how they mitigate these

[50:24] concerns. I do know that with the inverters um there are trace amounts of

[50:31] mineral oils in them and to catch those upon any kind of issue there's you know

[50:37] they have a they have something that catches the oil under it right so

[50:43] [clears throat] um there are some mitigations to that um but I think I

[50:49] need to get a little smarter on what type of fluids exist within the

[50:55] substation itself. So I can address that better.

[51:01] » Um and then the only other thing I had on that was I think it's from the last

[51:05] meeting we talked about chemicals and and things like that sitting around and

[51:11] a time frame of how long they sit, when when to get rid of them, that type of

[51:16] thing. That was just something else. an example of someone that you had old oil

[51:22] in your garage, you know, that you you drain out of the tractor, you know, for

[51:26] example, and it's sitting there um it's out of sight, out of mind, but it

[51:30] doesn't mean that it's gone, >> so to speak. So, I guess that was kind

[51:34] of the thought process behind that. >> I guess I might have done work

[51:39] substation so forth. Um, some of those transformers hold 600 gallon, 800, 900

[51:45] gallons of oils. A lot of the cooling oils recently have gone to biodegradable

[51:52] vegetable oils, soybean oil, but some of the transformers have some really toxic

[51:58] oils that you don't want seeping in the ground.

[52:03] » Sure. >> Okay. So

[52:05] » maybe a good >> So I think you should require

[52:08] containment you know unless the transformers are

[52:12] definitely

[52:16] [clears throat] using vegetable. >> So I think that's something we could

[52:20] actually get into detail about. Um you know the the main power transformers are

[52:27] generally one of the longest lead items in in the supply chain. Uh, so we

[52:33] ordered that transformer over a year ago. So what I'm getting at is we could

[52:38] ask the manufacturer about details about >> I'm assuming newer transformers. I'm

[52:42] assuming it's using >> some kind of oil, but yeah, we'll get

[52:47] I'll get the information on that and come back here next time.

[52:51] » Some really toxic stuff that's actually hazardous waste to [snorts] get rid of.

[52:56] And if there's and if there is anything concerning in that regard then you know

[53:00] we should be talking about to your point how do we contain and mitigate that.

[53:04] » Yes. >> I can

[53:10] so on any substation that's designed now it's not designed by local building code

[53:15] it's designed by the national electric code and there will be usually 200%

[53:20] containment um with concrete. So if let's say the transformer is 800 gallons

[53:25] of fluid, we have a 1,600 gallon containment there for that. It's

[53:30] impermanent of concrete. And I've been electric business for last 22 years. I

[53:36] don't know where I can find a transformer that had PCBs anymore. You'd

[53:39] have to get one that was, you know, maybe 30, 40 years old, polycllorinated

[53:44] by phenals. They just don't make them anymore. Um, not that anyone that would

[53:49] go on a project of of this magnitude all mineral oil and to try to get one with

[53:55] bad stuff. I think you'd have to go out of your way and be deliberate about

[53:59] getting one from a less people country. I haven't seen one in 22 years.

[54:09] Thank you. [clears throat] >> Um 17

[54:14] uh power and communication lines. >> Um just another clarity question here.

[54:19] Uh just asking for clarity around um power running between it inverter banks

[54:25] or panels. >> They want the um we would like the

[54:29] wiring all to be at least 24 in underground.

[54:34] » Okay. All wiring across the project >> panels all wiring will be minimum 24 in

[54:43] underground. >> Okay,

[54:44] » those are the Maris.

[54:59] » Yeah, that's

[55:03] so Yes. Um [clears throat]

[55:07] you're right. Um so

[55:11] one area of the project that we would prefer to design where cables are not

[55:17] buried is the connections between the panels. So you know they're in strings

[55:22] of call 100 panels to connect all those together above ground. They're not, you

[55:29] know, they're like literally a few inches below the panel itself. It's a

[55:34] call the cap system. They keep it, you know, kind of taught across the across

[55:39] the whole string and once it collects all the power from the whole string of

[55:43] panels, then it will go underground and through the inverter. Um, so,

[55:50] um, I think, you know, if you could say with the exception of a cap system or

[55:54] something or or the connection cables connecting the panels

[55:58] together, yeah, we're we're absolutely fine that

[56:04] we're able to do that area

[56:12] and we can show examples of this as well.

[56:22] Where are the wires? I'm sorry. I'm not familiar. Where are the wires you said

[56:25] are going to be connected above ground? Like where are they at on the solar

[56:28] panel? >> Um, so

[56:32] starting with my example here, >> if this is the panel, uh, it would be

[56:37] about right here. >> So, it's pretty close to the

[56:40] » It's pretty close. I mean, maybe I'm exactly, let's call it a range of here.

[56:44] » 6 in, >> something like that. Maybe 8 to 12 in

[56:47] long >> off the ground or under

[56:49] » under the panel. >> Okay.

[56:50] » Yeah. >> Tie to the framework.

[56:53] » Yeah. >> They just basically change between

[56:54] panels. Bunch of wire ties to the framework.

[56:58] » Do are you guys concerned about moles? Because we have a cemetery out there and

[57:01] there's a terrible mole problem. >> I'm just telling you.

[57:04] » And I have a mole problem at my house. That's why I left. I'm sorry. Um I do

[57:09] not know about this area, but it's something to think about for sure.

[57:14] Anything

[57:20] else on that? 17

[57:30] 18 Dr. Rose.

[57:34] » Yes. I think this one, you know, our response is really just more geared

[57:38] towards being properly to maintenance if needed. What we were told from

[57:42] engineering on this item is that anything below 4 in of depth to clear uh

[57:49] would cause more damage to the access road itself

[57:54] than what it's trying to achieve as good before that. Um if you'd like a

[58:00] suggestion for us from us, we can certainly come back with one.

[58:03] » Well, what if we say something like not to exceed 4 in

[58:13] I suggest not sure if a if a um first responder has to go out there and

[58:18] there's 4 in of snow and all of a sudden they fall

[58:22] » because the snow's not removed now all of a sudden I I'm happy

[58:28] let alone them right so I mean I guess I look at it from if you to use your term

[58:33] of risk management you know plowing snow and maintaining the roads and that's

[58:37] what we do around We have to fill potholes. We have to do we do it all the

[58:41] time. So if you're going to uh in a lack of any better words put safety ahead of

[58:47] plowing snow and making sure a road then I I don't care for that.

[58:52] » Okay. Um would be my opinion personally. Um

[58:58] understood. Um we can go back and have another discussion with our team around

[59:03] this. Try to push them to see down there.

[59:12] Thanks as the uh wildlife passage.

[59:19] I think the concern with this one is the lack of a definition as to what a

[59:23] wildlife passage is. Um and uh for starters, I think I understand

[59:30] that the objective, but we're not sure how that would work in practice. And

[59:35] again, as I commented about earlier is is this going

[59:40] to is this singling out solar as a as a use or would this be applied to other

[59:46] uses? Um so having having greater detail about what what a wildlife passage is

[59:54] would help possibly with the design. Um uh other concerns would be that the safe

[1:00:03] DNR already uh handles things like this when it comes to certain categories of

[1:00:08] wildlife threatened and endangered species. So you you run into a potential

[1:00:13] preeemption issue there. Um but yeah, I think that it getting a little more um

[1:00:19] detailed when it comes to definitions or using an existing definition uh that say

[1:00:25] is is already built into IDNR's uh code and lexicon like uh you know

[1:00:32] Illinois nature preserve commission protected land state parks etc.

[1:00:39] » Um in response you've said it probably two or three times now about

[1:00:43] discriminating against them. This is not what

[1:00:46] » trying to do open dialogue with them but I mean you made it clear so I understand

[1:00:51] » that this would be another example. Yeah. And I understand. Um so also when

[1:00:57] you you say others uh it says here like residential subdivisions, grain

[1:01:01] elevators, blah blah blah. They're not 1400 acres. So I sold it for either. Um

[1:01:06] so when you're, you know, >> you're not disclosing animals, you know,

[1:01:12] in a in many animals and in something like that. So I get what you're saying.

[1:01:17] I know from a legal standpoint, but it's not that we're trying to single single

[1:01:21] you out. I >> No, no, I understand. But I I just I'm

[1:01:26] um you could have alternative uses in this

[1:01:30] area that um maybe they're not 14 acres, but they're really big warehouses. I

[1:01:36] mean, go up to Joliet. Look at look at what they're doing south of of Joliet.

[1:01:41] They're really big large facilities. >> Uh so that's all I'm trying to say. So I

[1:01:47] yeah it may not be apples and oranges with respect to this project but it it

[1:01:51] could be with other

[1:01:55] » and if any other project came down through there and we thought there were

[1:01:59] safety concerns or whatever we're going to have the same

[1:02:04] » same uh questions for them. We're have the same concerns.

[1:02:09] » We haven't had that. So what you're saying is

[1:02:14] » like >> you're assuming

[1:02:18] » right but I think you have to my only point is it should be applied to other

[1:02:24] uses. >> Sure.

[1:02:39] I know [clears throat]

[1:02:44] » on uh 20 >> uh fencing landscaping.

[1:02:52] Yeah, I mean I think it we somewhat optimize this already. I think if it

[1:02:56] just kind of you just need to lower the fence a little bit to better also align

[1:03:00] it with with Catelyn as well so the project can just have one height on the

[1:03:05] fence line. >> Maybe Katlin can raise theirs to our

[1:03:08] level [laughter] that way.

[1:03:15] » I agree. >> It could be that way too.

[1:03:19] And and if you know gentleman's suggestion of of the you know

[1:03:24] barb wire you know that that's fine as well. Maybe it's 8 ft plus that I don't

[1:03:28] know maybe there's you know I feel like >> I mean compromise 8t barb wire maybe.

[1:03:34] » Yeah. Yeah. >> Compromised.

[1:03:36] » Um I think the mayor's intention with a 10ft chain link fence is what he is

[1:03:42] wanting is for feeasant quail populations so that predators can't get

[1:03:46] in.

[1:03:50] Okay. >> Okay.

[1:03:54] » Okay. And it can be his opinion. I mean, it's just like I have an opinion. That's

[1:03:57] that's okay. >> Um and I guess you know he can probably

[1:04:02] explain a little bit more to his thought.

[1:04:05] » And he he also mentioned barbwire. >> Okay.

[1:04:09] And just so I guess we're all kind of on the same page with the whole like the

[1:04:13] intention here is to like have some kind of screening around the fence, right?

[1:04:18] Like um you know there's those like fences that have like the green

[1:04:21] screening on top of it. >> Something like that is what the

[1:04:24] intention here is. Okay. >> Yeah, understood.

[1:04:27] » Well, I mean >> good point. I personally like the wood

[1:04:31] fence, you know, when you when you look at I know it's more

[1:04:35] » Yes. Yes, I know it's going to be more expensive and things like that. But it's

[1:04:38] it's one of those things when you stop and you think about, you know, your wind

[1:04:41] tunnel, your noise, your your looking, your all that type of stuff, your best

[1:04:46] case scenario is that >> uh I guess one thing to note on the

[1:04:50] higher fence plus the opaque kind of layer onto it is that um that will

[1:04:56] require a greater wind load. Um, so you know the the the corners

[1:05:03] generally of the fencing will have some level of like concrete poured in that

[1:05:07] area. In this design it would require a little bit more. So just wanted to kind

[1:05:12] of like bring that to your awareness as well, but we're okay with implementing

[1:05:17] that. [clears throat] >> Um,

[1:05:21] some of it I had on here

[1:05:26] the fencing acts like a wind sail. So I I get if it's don't the panels do

[1:05:32] the same thing or >> the gas sterile

[1:05:37] correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's

[1:05:43] a fair statement. Um I I don't know what the wind loads of the fencing would be,

[1:05:47] but I do know that the wind loads of of the the

[1:05:51] panel system itself is around 170 to 105.

[1:06:02] » [clears throat] >> treatment of sir.

[1:06:14] And then as far as

[1:06:24] on the uh I know you had that you requested the uh

[1:06:32] artist match the industry standard but I don't I like a little standard above

[1:06:35] myself just I'm an image guy but um anyway the uh 35% dead I have I kind of

[1:06:44] agree it's kind of hard to there's no >> for that but I think with with um with

[1:06:51] the right wording in there and things of that nature that if it's

[1:06:54] » you know it's got to be you know you want to look and it goes back

[1:06:58] » we're on the same >> we're on the same page here I think we

[1:07:01] just need a better set of like how to define what needs to replace

[1:07:06] » um and after I read this actually I did speak with a couple people I think there

[1:07:11] is some kind of methodology to I don't know. I'd have to find out

[1:07:15] again. But yes, we do. We can do that

[1:07:24] on the I skipped one. I'm back 21 now. So, this is the weed policy plan. Uh

[1:07:33] what's what is your plan for we? >> So, all of the projects do have a weed

[1:07:40] management plan. um along with you know the vegetation

[1:07:46] management plan, dust mitigation plan, dirt or construction etc. um

[1:07:51] it will be a part of this as well. Uh so you will have a weed management plan and

[1:07:56] if you so desire you could come to the board for approval of that prior

[1:08:00] construction. >> So so you just I mean like are you

[1:08:04] mammals or what? >> Um generally there's spot treatments

[1:08:09] that are done. Uh I'm not sure about other kind of treatments during

[1:08:14] operations. >> I just wonder some some are using

[1:08:17] animals and sometimes >> uh in our uh so in the project in Kaboo

[1:08:22] County we are starting a pilot sheep raising program

[1:08:26] um there won't be sheep there until about 2

[1:08:31] years after construction uh to allow for the pollinators to grow. Um but we are

[1:08:37] doing a sheep grazing program on about 160 acres there. This however does

[1:08:43] require um land owner uh it requires agreements land owners as well. So

[1:08:50] there's layers to it where may not be fully within our control.

[1:08:56] How many I mean >> how many sheep come? I have no idea.

[1:09:01] Tiffany could cause a snow problem

[1:09:05] » if you have too many. >> Quite possibly.

[1:09:08] » How big is how big? >> Excuse me. The room

[1:09:13] county project. Yes, it's 150 megawatt. Uh there's a total of 360 there.

[1:09:19] » How many sheep would you have? that I do not know how many sheep are needed, but

[1:09:23] I hear the sheep crazy folks for solar are doing really well these days and

[1:09:28] they can't find enough of them. >> The sheep or goats?

[1:09:31] » Uh, I think she can't be. It's a certain type of sheep.

[1:09:36] I don't know the type itself specifically,

[1:09:39] » but yeah, it's like

[1:09:44] cross from a sheep arm and it smells horrible,

[1:09:50] » especially

[1:09:56] just >> you said. So, you said there's going to

[1:09:58] be something between you and the landowners. Is that as far as them

[1:10:02] taking care of these animals? No, who would be doing all that stuff?

[1:10:06] » There are certain provisions in the lease that need to be changed to be able

[1:10:09] to allow us to do it. >> Um, so there's a component of this that

[1:10:13] requires the land owners cooperation and some land owners don't want it. Um, you

[1:10:18] know, for whatever reason that they have. So

[1:10:21] » that that's that's all I was kind of trying to refer to as like there's

[1:10:24] » no I'm just wondering who's going to take care of these animals.

[1:10:27] » Um, so there are companies um, so there's actually a

[1:10:33] uh solar grazing association. There's a national one, but I believe there's also

[1:10:38] one in Illinois, too. It's basically just these um companies that have a lot

[1:10:44] of sheep, and they will go from solar site to site and put them out there for

[1:10:50] I don't know how long it takes. I don't know if it's like an 8 hour process or

[1:10:53] if it's an 8 day long process. >> Oh, so they just put them out there for

[1:10:56] a few hours and then they take >> I don't know. I don't know if it takes a

[1:10:59] few hours or days. It's temporary.

[1:11:04] » That's what I wanted. >> And then they collect them and then just

[1:11:06] take them to >> Oh, okay. I got

[1:11:09] » It's like a live bunch of live. >> I did too.

[1:11:16] » There's one of those

[1:11:20] required fencing. >> Um, it does also require panels.

[1:11:27] It requires the piles to be taller. So to the question of you know how tall are

[1:11:32] the animals and files in a sheep grazing scenario they would be taller. There

[1:11:37] would be a load out load out where they can crowd

[1:11:44] they gra and they >> interesting.

[1:11:50] » There is there is what they call a shepherd that

[1:11:54] is a shepherd that's supposed to be on site

[1:11:58] » and they going to play out poo poo. [laughter]

[1:12:02] » Serious. That's where their smell could have come from.

[1:12:04] » All right. So 22 uh noise level >> for this one my recommendation would be

[1:12:11] just to stop after the first two sentences because the first sentence

[1:12:15] says that uh regulated by the pollution control board and the second sentence

[1:12:20] requires testing before during and after construction. Um the remainder of the

[1:12:26] paragraph is the discusses standards that are not consistent with the

[1:12:31] Illinois Pollution Control Board rules which are quite complicated.

[1:12:38] I know for for example, sorry to interrupt, but the Illinois Bush control

[1:12:42] board rules don't apply to construction.

[1:12:48] » Well, the mayor suggested maybe pile drivers only be used from 8 to 3 because

[1:12:53] they're extremely loud.

[1:12:57] » Let me go back with that. That may be possible if it's just members, but

[1:13:02] » union too, right? So they're probably off

[1:13:24] » anything else on uh >> uh not

[1:13:30] » the only thing I had I know I read were

[1:13:35] It was in relation to a wind farm, but the noise dec

[1:13:43] [clears throat] of people and this is more operational I

[1:13:47] think at this point than it than it is in during construction phase. So, um I

[1:13:52] think looking at some of that, uh along with the the fence and the the other

[1:13:57] stuff, we can we can assist with keeping the noise level down to

[1:14:04] 40 or something. >> Of course. And so, as as part of our

[1:14:07] application, we'll submit a a noise study. Um and so we similar to the glare

[1:14:14] study, our goal is to mitigate any excessive noise outside of the project

[1:14:18] fence line. And for the noise levels to be at normal levels

[1:14:24] that you know if you're living on tilted cap like whatever nighttime noise you're

[1:14:28] getting you should be the same thing. >> What about a sound barrier fence?

[1:14:35] » What are they doing? >> It's a thing.

[1:14:37] » Well, I think the sound barrier wise be more of a go back to wood, wouldn't it?

[1:14:41] I mean versus a chain link or something. >> I I don't know.

[1:14:45] » They got I think they got along the highways. off like the

[1:14:49] » like sound barriers >> or something.

[1:14:51] » Yeah. Off of the homes close to the highways.

[1:14:54] » I see. And you know the big you know with wind farms they have very big

[1:14:58] turbines. They're always moving. So there's a level of noise that those

[1:15:03] create that solar doesn't really have. Um I mean our projects will be using a

[1:15:09] tracking system or the other projects that we do use a tractor system that do

[1:15:14] have movement from east to west. but it's such a minuscule movement that it's

[1:15:20] not a sound that you'd hear from the road. Um, the main thing that makes

[1:15:26] noise on the project are the inverters and those are intentionally located as

[1:15:32] central to the parcels as possible. So, away from the roads and central to the

[1:15:37] parcels. It's a key part of our project's design to mitigate those.

[1:15:42] And just to follow up on your question about the decimal levels, the Illinois

[1:15:46] blues control board regulations, there's a table in the in the state code that

[1:15:52] lists the applicable decel numbers. They're actually quite restricted

[1:15:58] particularly at night. I think it's around 41 42. The good news about solar

[1:16:03] facility is that it doesn't produce electricity at night. So it doesn't make

[1:16:08] a lot of noise at night.

[1:16:12] Yeah, I read one one of the articles and stuff on it.

[1:16:31] » Before I get to 24, I had one on 23 on dust control. Um what's the

[1:16:38] ideally what what kind of dust control would you be doing?

[1:16:47] » Uh I would like to speak in detail about this. This is not something I know in

[1:16:51] terms of like what practices are used for dust control. What I can do is

[1:16:55] provide you with a dust plan that we have for some other project like Gibson

[1:16:59] City. I'm sure we have one that we can take off the shelf. I was just it water

[1:17:04] is it you know chemical >> I know they do some watering I know that

[1:17:08] mainly there's a lot of watering done yes I do see that during construction

[1:17:12] I want to speak more on it these guys have any other methods that they use but

[1:17:17] yeah >> perfect

[1:17:21] um

[1:17:25] 24

[1:17:30] testing So I've already said what before a

[1:17:34] couple of times what I won't uh know singling out issue but there are lots of

[1:17:41] things that produce um we're exposed to in this room right

[1:17:47] now. Um I think that I will just say that if you look at the um I guess I'll

[1:17:53] call them third party studies that look at this issue um the setbacks from the

[1:17:59] uh project should be sufficient to uh to make make sure that EMF levels are u low

[1:18:09] enough to where it's you know not any different than surrounding areas. Uh, so

[1:18:15] I think if you're going I I think it's unnecessary to require testing, but it's

[1:18:22] also I would just say if you're going to require testing that it's probably makes

[1:18:26] more sense for them to test, you know, outside the project uh where somebody

[1:18:32] could be exposed. And I don't know if that's the intention

[1:18:36] or not from the I don't it's not clear to me what the testing potentials mean.

[1:18:42] Um, well, the mayor mentioned somebody in his family has a pacemaker.

[1:18:49] So, what if somebody with pacemaker gets close to it, will they be affected?

[1:18:56] » Not sure. But I mean, I I would think that if they go inside the fence line,

[1:19:01] which they shouldn't be, they may be. >> Yeah.

[1:19:04] outside the fence line they should be safe because outside the fence line's

[1:19:08] supposed to be >> I think a good question it's a good

[1:19:13] question because what if the MS is responding and that person has a

[1:19:15] pacemaker >> for example what cause something

[1:19:20] » right right >> yeah and that's be a bad idea

[1:19:24] for there's a a warning sign requirement you're going to have to have signs

[1:19:28] anyway so that's something that would seem reasonable

[1:19:34] I didn't think about that before.

[1:19:43] » Ask a question. >> Sure.

[1:19:45] The mayor of community the farmer magnet and this was wind turbines I believe at

[1:19:54] the story goes has a pacemaker and the turbines

[1:20:01] left

[1:20:05] affected. So,

[1:20:10] how you talk about somebody maker, whatever.

[1:20:14] How do I make somebody old that is affected by this? Because you can say,

[1:20:22] well, it shouldn't affect you because you're outside of the project or you

[1:20:25] live so far away from it. But there are some of us that are very susceptible to

[1:20:33] sounds and lying energy and that kind of stuff. For example, I could go in a

[1:20:38] jewelry store and most people can't hear their lights. I can hear their lights.

[1:20:46] So, how do we make somebody whole that's live in their home forever and never and

[1:20:52] maybe their well is affected or their quality of life is affected because of

[1:20:57] this energy wave, you know, energy. And then I've read stories where you

[1:21:04] have electricity flowing through the ground. There's ground current that's

[1:21:08] not supposed to be released and it's affected livestock, people, etc., etc.

[1:21:14] How do we make those people? That's not right. Something like this to

[1:21:20] come in and then disrupt my life or somebody else.

[1:21:30] So I've heard about this stray voltage issue with livestock

[1:21:36] before. Um

[1:21:40] this is from back then when I was re when I

[1:21:45] researched into this topic. This is a problem of distribution level community

[1:21:50] solar projects. It happens with distribution level infrastructure near

[1:21:55] water sources. Um

[1:22:00] There is a University of Minnesota study on this

[1:22:06] topic. Um that's with regards to the stray

[1:22:12] voltage. I mean with the EMF topic, you know, it's I think

[1:22:18] for first we need to determine if there is even an issue here. Um,

[1:22:26] and you know, that's maybe something we need to go back and look into in terms

[1:22:29] of like EMF levels inside the fence line. I think we're all kind of agreed

[1:22:34] on the outside issue, but on the inside issue, seems like we need to go back and

[1:22:41] get some more data with regards to that. So, collectively,

[1:22:46] we can put something forth if needed or or not.

[1:22:51] So, is this the this first solar one you're putting up? The first solar?

[1:22:55] » It's the first time EMF has come up as an issue.

[1:22:57] » Is it? No. But I mean, is this the first time it's ever been put in? I mean,

[1:23:03] » is this is this the first solar one? Because you guys had other solar farms

[1:23:06] » for Yeah. No. So, >> so what what have you had issues with

[1:23:11] those? >> No. No, not in this context.

[1:23:17] » If I could add that. So, is set up as a special use

[1:23:22] um which I think is the intent. um one of the standards will be that they have

[1:23:28] to demonstrate that the use will not um impede the uses on neighboring

[1:23:33] properties. And again, I think one of the things

[1:23:38] they'll be prepared to submit is uh evidence that from studies that show

[1:23:43] that that once you get outside the fence line, like I don't know what the number

[1:23:48] of feet is, but uh that there's it's really not the level of EMF is not uh

[1:23:54] sufficient to affect human health.

[1:23:59] » Well, electrical engineer panels themselves are DC. There's not

[1:24:05] enough

[1:24:14] close. But then I guess my question is once you

[1:24:18] step back up on your transmission lines, >> you get around those popping

[1:24:27] there's EMF there.

[1:24:34] Um not sure right now the voltage level of

[1:24:39] the transmission line that we expect here. I would assume it's

[1:24:45] more than 69 less than or equal to 138 kilovs.

[1:24:50] » Yeah. >> Um

[1:24:54] » yes single monopole I would just expect maybe 138. Um there I guess the question

[1:25:02] like you know what's the what are what are the requirements for other

[1:25:06] transmission lines here you know what's looked at there what's their process

[1:25:16] on the rest of that >> [snorts]

[1:25:32] » working on 25 clean solos panels.

[1:25:38] Um, last time you guys mentioned storing this stuff in a type of building. Um

[1:25:44] what's the I mean what's your average I'm I'm requesting that basically put

[1:25:51] some sort of record keeping and time frame on again because go back to the

[1:25:55] oil in in the garage type of thing and I'm just picking up on some of the the

[1:25:59] comments that were made but what what were I what's the plan to do you store a

[1:26:05] lot of stuff or do you get rid of it right away or what's what's the thought

[1:26:08] process behind some of this on say broken panels or things like that.

[1:26:12] » Sure. And I think so for our next meeting, I could get a very detailed

[1:26:18] breakdown of this. From what I know, you know, we store certain numbers of

[1:26:23] modules. Um we serve certain other equipment

[1:26:27] uh on site, at what level at which we store, I'm not sure, right? I say 5% of

[1:26:33] modules, is it 2% of the panels? You know, that's what I'm not sure about.

[1:26:38] But yes, we do have um extra equipment stored to be replaced when needed. Um

[1:26:47] » and what do you do with the damaged ones?

[1:26:52] » Do not know. Do not know. That's pretty important.

[1:26:56] » Five 10 damaged panels. You know, >> we've had

[1:26:58] » I will definitely look into that. >> We've had storms around here. Maybe you

[1:27:01] could talk to Ki. What do you do better? I mean that would

[1:27:06] be if I was in your position >> and I didn't know

[1:27:10] » that question I think I would be questioning these people that's had

[1:27:13] damage and like >> definitely

[1:27:14] » because that is a big thing that's a big thing is what happens to these pandas

[1:27:20] we asked that same question September 5th 2025 at the library we didn't have

[1:27:27] an answer then still I'm just wondering are you have you tried to train it

[1:27:32] almost what I mean, have you tried to figure

[1:27:37] out game plan for that or how you were going to do it? Because that's been

[1:27:41] seven months ago and >> I'm sure you get that question at every

[1:27:44] meeting. You got to >> it's it's so

[1:27:49] our first operating project is Gibson City. Um, and that went into operations

[1:27:56] very recently. So, [clears throat] when the question was asked months ago,

[1:28:01] we definitely did not have that information. I think now that that

[1:28:06] facility is operating and there's an operations and maintenance plan in

[1:28:09] place, I can go back to that team now and say and ask this question again and

[1:28:14] say, "Hey, what happens in this scenario? What do you guys do

[1:28:18] » with this equipment?" I can definitely do that and we will definitely have an

[1:28:22] answer whether it's a nice answer or not, but I will come back with an answer

[1:28:27] on this. >> Pretty hard. So, you may even have

[1:28:32] up there. >> All right. Did you have damage up there?

[1:28:35] » Um, very slightly from what I hear. >> They would have had to have some kind of

[1:28:40] » Yes, there's definitely a plan for this. Yeah, I just want to get the right.

[1:28:44] » Is it actually the city actually functioning and operating fully or is it

[1:28:49] still under construction? >> It's construction is complete.

[1:28:54] It's gone through the energization process which is like when they're

[1:28:57] testing it out and everything and it's going When is it physically feeding into

[1:29:02] the grid? >> End of May.

[1:29:04] » End of May. Okay. So, it's close. >> Yes.

[1:29:07] » But it hasn't actually got to that. >> No, they're just they're testing it

[1:29:10] right now. >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:29:14] I can say there's a lot less damage panels now from hail and storm events

[1:29:18] because there's new SCADA software that will uh ties into the National Weather

[1:29:23] Service and it actually takes the panels and puts in the wrong direction. So

[1:29:28] hail's coming from this way hits the back of the panel. No damage back. It's

[1:29:34] really just this year that technology has come

[1:29:37] » and so there's less there's less stuff to get rid of. So you're saying like

[1:29:40] Kinki didn't have that evidently? >> Probably not

[1:29:43] » because that was a big mess there. >> If you put a you put a project COD

[1:29:50] commercial operation date any time prior to 20 this year it doesn't have that you

[1:29:56] can go back and retro it but >> yours are going to have it.

[1:29:59] » So this one >> this one will have it city has it. Um

[1:30:03] there's only really like two main companies in the industry that are doing

[1:30:07] this in a in a in a very good way. >> Yes.

[1:30:12] » They call this stoone leather sto and this is actually becoming like a

[1:30:18] requirement for insurers at this point that because it's

[1:30:23] » reason I didn't know that was going to put on this plan but I know is going to

[1:30:27] because otherwise you can't get insurance and it's it's a negligible

[1:30:31] cost. is software. >> What what size hailstone are those

[1:30:36] panels with stand?

[1:30:39] » That's not an answer I know, but I can definitely get you the answer.

[1:30:42] » I can tell you PepsiCo, their requirements

[1:30:46] were asking for like an inch and 3/4 and there was no, this was 6 years ago

[1:30:51] probably. >> Nobody made a panel that would meet

[1:30:53] that. >> They were trying to drive the industry

[1:30:56] standard up >> to that

[1:30:58] » and and this happened to be a fixed system that didn't rotate.

[1:31:02] So it not get hit as hard. >> But

[1:31:08] » that's something you might want to look at is put a minimum spec on

[1:31:12] you know panels panel squeezed

[1:31:21] glass. >> Yeah, that's correct. And we do source

[1:31:27] from what? tier one manufacturers. Um you know you look at the tier one

[1:31:34] manufacturers always looking for as much domestic

[1:31:43] approach um for the project in Koh's county that's going to start

[1:31:48] construction in August. That one is actually um at a higher

[1:31:54] domestic content percentage uh than Gibson City is for example. So I just

[1:31:59] use that as an example to say as the industry continues to enable domestic

[1:32:05] manufacturing on different layers of this supply chain, we are

[1:32:10] constantly looking for more and more domestic components here.

[1:32:15] » So where do you actually >> uh the panels that we use in Gibson

[1:32:20] city? So, I'm going to say assembled in the US. Um, you know, and by that, you

[1:32:26] know, the steel, the glass, that's all US made. It's really the cells inside of

[1:32:33] the modules. That's where a lot of the that's where

[1:32:37] there isn't a lot of domestic manufacturing capacity.

[1:32:41] » Most of that comes from China, right? >> Correct. Yes. Or or actually like um

[1:32:46] » Indonesia, Taiwan,

[1:32:49] » Vietnam, >> Vietnam,

[1:32:53] » China. Yeah, it's like Vietnam, Indonesia, Taiwan. Um

[1:32:57] » I can't remember if I asked you guys this before, but do you have to follow

[1:33:01] the fiat? >> Yes, of course.

[1:33:05] China. >> That's why exactly

[1:33:07] » what what >> that's why there's that's why China as

[1:33:11] well. Like that's another reason why there's been times.

[1:33:14] » Okay. >> But where are you where are you

[1:33:16] expecting to get once for this project? >> I mean it would it without like

[1:33:21] committing to it would be somewhere like Indonesia, Taiwan,

[1:33:25] you know, India maybe, Vietnam. Becky, you have

[1:33:31] » I have a question. Um what's going to refer to when Apex

[1:33:38] has a lot of province in the state and they at hearings will frequent well all

[1:33:46] the time say if a storm is coming the national weather service tracks this if

[1:33:52] they issue a storm warning they're going to shut down those turbines

[1:33:58] there seems to be a disconnect however because they never shut down their

[1:34:03] turbines so I'm hearing earth say well we're going to you know be in contact

[1:34:08] with whatever the National Weather Service,

[1:34:12] but then what is the process and what is the guarantee that you're actually going

[1:34:18] to act on that morning? Because we know what some of these other women in energy

[1:34:24] companies, they're not acting on the war.

[1:34:29] I think which is the way I understand just this is one of those things I can

[1:34:33] make sure I understand what you're saying but with the SCAD system it's a

[1:34:36] it's a program that will automatically say hey there's a storm coming and we're

[1:34:42] going to rotate panels to the opposite side to your

[1:34:46] » require human intervention to do that. >> No no it's actually there's a do radar

[1:34:52] that's set up it's not actually national but it senses it itself and penalties

[1:34:58] for not doing it is you got a bunch of flustered pants and your insurance

[1:35:01] companies saying I won't cover it. So I know Apex very well. I don't know why

[1:35:06] they don't shut down the turbines but earth is not building turbines and if

[1:35:09] they wouldn't do this it would be the same thing as you leave your wife I left

[1:35:14] my wife's new car outside in the hail storm. It would be silly for me because

[1:35:18] then she would tell me I got to go buy a new car and that's the same thing. The

[1:35:21] penalty would be pretty stiff um for not doing it.

[1:35:26] Didn't you testify inex? >> Nobody

[1:35:31] else.

[1:35:36] They were my customer at one point, but I've never testified.

[1:35:45] » [laughter]

[1:35:47] » transition on that.

[1:35:51] » Number 27, uh, facility ownership and viability to

[1:35:56] have access to property. >> Yeah, I think, you know, we're

[1:36:00] absolutely okay with this. We would just prefer that it has like a quarterly

[1:36:05] cadence or something like that rather than, you know, hey, I want to come out

[1:36:08] there today. um you know so so our MC team can plan for it and prepare and do

[1:36:17] all that. Um I mean I think you know if if if the village is very adamant on it

[1:36:22] we could probably do an order but I just I guess it's a bond

[1:36:27] request as well. I think the issue is just one of notice like giving certain

[1:36:31] notice so that >> that it's a safety issue right they want

[1:36:35] to make sure that nobody >> is injured but I got property I give

[1:36:39] 24-hour notice hey I'm a beard tomorrow >> right

[1:36:42] » 24 hours and I was staying up there was a reason we needed

[1:36:46] » it would be yes

[1:36:57] on D29.

[1:37:02] It's not on the but you go to your there's just a word miss there

[1:37:09] I think it's the very last it says something about data shall be on a week

[1:37:13] weekly basis basis it just doesn't provided or something

[1:37:20] » just got >> can we I mean I think just weekly

[1:37:24] reporting of this might be a little did we I don't know if we made any

[1:37:28] suggestions for this one before at the moment.

[1:37:32] » I think monthly would be preferred, but I'm not like, you know, stuck on that

[1:37:38] concept. I just think >> sorry 29

[1:37:41] » process

[1:37:52] information data shall be blank

[1:38:06] » work together. Yeah.

[1:38:16] » Oh, I see. You're saying the reports on a quarterly basis,

[1:38:21] but the data inside has to be weekly.

[1:38:31] » The information shall be submitted. I think you guys are supposed to provide

[1:38:36] » gather it weekly and then show it to us quarterly.

[1:38:41] » Oh, got it. Okay. Yeah, I wrote reported in that little blank area. So, I think

[1:38:45] it's gathered on weekly. So, we gather the weekly data but reported on a

[1:38:49] quartis. Okay. Something just >> Yeah. Yeah, that works.

[1:38:57] » Um, one thing I I read somewhere else too that on these this would be under um

[1:39:04] road use and things u on the road repair plan especially during construction and

[1:39:10] things of that nature is it uh you know all the roads being used obviously

[1:39:15] taking a a toll with construction and things so uh would you be against

[1:39:20] improving the road after everything's done so if it's just to use example it's

[1:39:25] gravel now going to tar and chip it you know when we're done is that potentially

[1:39:32] something How does that work? >> So, generally, you know, we we have the

[1:39:36] transportation impact analysis done. Um [clears throat]

[1:39:41] » the we we will actually start that earlier on around the 30% design

[1:39:46] process, but we will continue to update that as we get to our like issue for

[1:39:51] construction designs. We do that because the contractors generally figure out

[1:39:57] more. they get closer to understanding fully how many loads and at what weight

[1:40:02] is they're going to be moving as we get closer as they advance the designs. Um

[1:40:06] so all that being said you know generally the process that we go about

[1:40:11] it is road commissioners will assess we'll use an outside consulting company

[1:40:17] generally we ask the road commissioner if they have a preference of a company

[1:40:21] that we we should use for that work that they use as well so that they trust um

[1:40:27] at which point you know we'll execute the road use agreement and generally the

[1:40:30] process with that is we will take video footage and photo footage of the roads

[1:40:34] before our traffic activity has begun. If there is any from the transportation

[1:40:41] impact analysis, if there's any roads that were identified as needing to be

[1:40:46] upgraded to carry that load, those will that'll be a part of the preconstruction

[1:40:51] road work. So, we'll come in and and we'll do whatever work we need to do on

[1:40:56] the roads that we'll be using to handle those loads. Uh and then of course we

[1:41:01] have during construction maintenance requirements to keep the rooms in good

[1:41:06] condition and then afterwards we will also have a post construction repair

[1:41:11] scope as well. Um to your question more specifically

[1:41:17] there are certain scenarios where yes we've kind of come in and created a

[1:41:22] better road than what we found before.

[1:41:28] » Um We have letter F special use permit

[1:41:37] going to E. >> This is the one about recycling.

[1:41:47] So, I mean on this one it's it's you know it's

[1:41:55] we don't want to we don't know how we can enter into a

[1:42:00] recycling agreement for a job that's going to be done 35 years from now. How

[1:42:05] do they even price that for us? How does that even happen? Um that's the first

[1:42:12] questions. Um, now are there solar module recyclers out

[1:42:20] there? Yes, there are. Were they there 10 years ago? Maybe you could find one

[1:42:26] somewhere. Maybe in Arizona. There's a few now. I mean, there's not like dozens

[1:42:30] of these companies anyway. There's some out there. They are doing the recycling

[1:42:35] work. And you know there isn't really many utility scale

[1:42:40] uh you know solar power plants that haven't been recommissioned yet. Um so

[1:42:45] all that is to say that you know there is this market it's starting to grow.

[1:42:51] It's getting matured. A lot of the equipment that is going to recycling in

[1:42:56] these modules it's you know glass steel plastics. Um the main part is recycling

[1:43:04] the cell. That's that's the big issue there. Um

[1:43:09] I mean I think you know we could

[1:43:14] we could try to commit to some language that you know doesn't tie us to having

[1:43:19] this before the SUV but you know that'll that'll say like best efforts to do a

[1:43:24] recycling agreement close to decommissioning.

[1:43:27] Um but yeah we just don't think it's even possible to get this kind of

[1:43:32] agreement in place right now. So I guess my question would be is then what about

[1:43:36] with your recent gifts to city? Where will those go?

[1:43:40] » So they I mean for you know >> and that's only been a commission how

[1:43:44] long? >> It's not even it's not even

[1:43:46] » Yeah. Exactly. So they wouldn't be able to enter into that right now. Yeah.

[1:43:50] » So I mean what if you don't have an agreement or that's not been a proactive

[1:43:54] thing that's been put in place. How do you know where you're gonna I mean and

[1:43:58] what say that even if there's only minimal or there's few what if it was

[1:44:03] the whole entire project? >> What would that look like? I mean and

[1:44:08] you're now sitting here trying to figure out where you're going to take this. I'm

[1:44:11] sure there's damage panels that were construction that showed up damaged in

[1:44:17] wherever they were cuz I was hearing the same thing that

[1:44:22] you had. You know, like you're saying, hey, it's hard to hard to give the, you

[1:44:26] know, an estimate in in 35 years. It's also hard for me to say, well, 35 years

[1:44:33] now it's your problem. You know, I I want to make sure that we we have

[1:44:38] something in place. You know, if I'm not here, I'm probably going to board in 35

[1:44:42] years.

[1:44:45] » I mean, you know, what I know about these is that, you know, the

[1:44:48] manufacturers of the panels guarantee still 82.5% efficiency after 35 years.

[1:44:55] So, there is a secondary market for these. Um, I mean, we, you know, what if

[1:45:01] there's a what if there's a buyer in, I don't

[1:45:04] know, some some African country or something that wants this project's

[1:45:08] panels in 35 years because of their efficiency and why would we tie

[1:45:13] ourselves into a recycling group agreed to 35 years before that? Um, I mean, I

[1:45:18] think [clears throat] of course, yeah, you know, the invention

[1:45:22] is to get rid of the equipment in a acceptable way, but we just don't see

[1:45:31] how we can contract recycling specifically 35 years from now.

[1:45:36] » There could be some kind of use for it as well. It's not like it has to be

[1:45:40] recycled and you know thrown away. >> Well, I think the biggest concern is you

[1:45:45] guys have no answer for something was damaged today. You don't have no answers

[1:45:50] on this stuff. is an answer I'm going to get you next week because

[1:45:54] » I hope so because this is like I don't know how many meetings I've been at and

[1:45:56] I've seen you guys never have an answer because you

[1:46:01] you rent a building out for a party. One of the big things you're going to want

[1:46:06] to know is who's cleaning this stuff up. >> You know what I'm saying? That's one

[1:46:10] that's a big part of the project >> and that's a part of the demission plan,

[1:46:14] right? Like that's what the decommissioning plan decommission is

[1:46:18] for. I mean, if we're talking about bleeding it up,

[1:46:21] » I'm talking about when there's damage, >> what happens after it leaves is a

[1:46:25] different panels fail over time. You have to they do every year they're going

[1:46:30] to do a fly drone. They'll tell you which panels are put out, which ones

[1:46:34] aren't, and they'll be replacing panels a few years down the road.

[1:46:38] » This isn't >> that's without a hail storm or windtorm

[1:46:42] or tornado. It's going to create a big mess. And

[1:46:46] that's our biggest thing is there's no answers to if something happened today.

[1:46:51] » Well, that's what I was alluding to is that you know you think storage building

[1:46:54] somewhere and what's the plan to you know it's it's hard to you don't have

[1:47:00] the answer for that. I know you're going to get appreciate that and I look

[1:47:04] forward to it. >> It's almost like this project all you

[1:47:06] guys do is focus on getting them in and getting them running. You don't you

[1:47:10] don't focus on any of the effects of it. That's what the problem is.

[1:47:19] » So 35 years my grandchildren will be in their early to their 40s and families of

[1:47:27] their own. What are we leaving for? That's the big

[1:47:33] question. What are we leaving for future generations to have to clean up or deal

[1:47:39] with? It would be like anyone in this room. If your parents when you did some

[1:47:45] big project that you inherited stuff you inherit holding mass what are you doing

[1:47:53] you don't have the money grand but you and so I know they have

[1:47:59] decommissioning plans but I don't think that's a guarantee so that is the big

[1:48:05] question I totally agree with what is the end result that we can't see

[1:48:11] » you can't make years. I mean, you got to have that to

[1:48:14] start day one. You could have pastor day two when it's

[1:48:20] your foot up. Good to happen. Well, just like you said with Gibson City, it's not

[1:48:23] even up in Indiana. >> Yeah, absolutely. You don't know.

[1:48:28] There's no you can't say 35 years from now is when the problem.

[1:48:32] » So, in respect to you mentioned that you will get us. So, we'll look forward to

[1:48:36] that. >> Okay. Great.

[1:48:39] » Um A couple things as far as I have before

[1:48:43] we jump to to K. Um, are any of the employees that would be uh employed at

[1:48:52] at Ethan Gibson say for for this matter certified in fire training or

[1:48:59] on site at all times or anything? I know some of the con conversation we had

[1:49:02] before and I I didn't get anything from my fire chief as far as a report. So, I

[1:49:06] apologize for them not getting that and having all the the information. Um but

[1:49:12] uh we talk about you know trying to get on site and we're going to bring them to

[1:49:16] the fence for example stuff like that if somebody's hurt or or anything. So what

[1:49:22] is your training or what is what's the thought process behind all that?

[1:49:28] So we

[1:49:31] do have a training program that happen. It's not an earthrise specific program.

[1:49:38] Uh it's

[1:49:42] It's it's run by this old fire chief somewhere up in

[1:49:49] Willow County area. I'm not quite sure, but they do train oneweek trainings in

[1:49:54] Florida for solar power plants specifically.

[1:49:58] Um, so we do have that um that we can look into as well.

[1:50:07] What else do you want? >> I mean, the application comes with an

[1:50:10] emergency response plan. Um that plan is developed in coordination with local

[1:50:16] fire departments and police departments so that um they are aware of what the

[1:50:23] project is and what sort of procedures there are behind the project and even

[1:50:26] before then we will meet with fire departments to explain the project and

[1:50:31] understand what sort of needs they have. I know with Gibson City they said that

[1:50:35] they need specific types of extra equipment to deal with fire safety and

[1:50:39] those are conversations we'll continue to have so that they are well put to

[1:50:43] answer your question about whether police will have that specific fire

[1:50:47] training they will not be like you know they're not part of the local fire

[1:50:51] department or anything like that but they will have the knowledge of the

[1:50:54] emergency response plan um as well as like basic first aid in order to like

[1:50:59] carry out their job appropriately.

[1:51:03] What if you say they have a full fire department? What if the plan is when we

[1:51:10] all have volunteer fire departments and there are no volunteer firemen

[1:51:15] able to respond to a call? What is going to be the protocol? How do we address

[1:51:21] this situation? I think that's a along the lines of some

[1:51:27] of the questions I'm asking because in all due respect to area departments uh

[1:51:33] is usually the the first ones on scene. So, a lot of times when I I hear we've

[1:51:39] had conversations and things and like I said, I have an internal problem not

[1:51:42] getting information, but as a board member and and the resident of Tilton,

[1:51:50] I need to make sure things are in place that, you know, our department is going

[1:51:53] to be out there uh more than likely first on scene even though it's somebody

[1:51:58] else's area. we mutilate the stuff all the time and we're we're the first

[1:52:02] engine at many places uh because of our our team. Um,

[1:52:09] so that's some of my concerns and just so you understand where I'm coming from

[1:52:12] from some of the the questions

[1:52:21] » as far as uh I don't know in location as far as with Gibson City or anything but

[1:52:26] any anything that you've looked at before, but

[1:52:29] » as far as cemeteries and sacred places and things of that nature, what's what's

[1:52:34] the thought process behind there? You Do you have anything? We've we've conducted

[1:52:39] um a lot of different environmental studies, cultural being one of them that

[1:52:44] identifies cemeteries. >> Some developers may choose to develop on

[1:52:49] top of things like wetlands, but earth rises. Um what's unique about earth

[1:52:54] rises, we go full avoidance. So full avoidance of cemeteries and we set back

[1:52:58] from cemeteries. Um we completely avoid developing on top of wetlands and we

[1:53:03] avoid areas of cements as well. >> How far are your setbacks from

[1:53:08] cemeteries normally? >> Typically be about 50

[1:53:15] to 100 >> because we have a cemetery and about 15

[1:53:19] years ago our mayor went down there and what was it about 100 ft away from the

[1:53:23] cemetery graves? >> I'm grave.

[1:53:28] » Yes. There's like two cemeters up there.

[1:53:39] » And I mean this kind of borders our cemetery.

[1:53:42] » Yeah, I know. I'm aware and I've run into this situation unfortunately at

[1:53:47] least. >> You did your grade?

[1:53:52] » No. [laughter]

[1:53:57] All work stops for a really long time. [laughter]

[1:54:08] » One thing I noticed that I've noticed anyway when I went down 74 is the bald

[1:54:15] eagles. There's a couple real close. Um, so I don't know if there's anything in

[1:54:21] your plans or if you've already looked at some of that if there's, you know,

[1:54:25] » we run a threat endangered species report. Um, in addition, I know you've

[1:54:30] seen the footprint and include it's adjacent to some areas that are

[1:54:33] forested. We are not intending on cutting out any trees or destroying any

[1:54:37] existing habitat for this project. >> No, there are

[1:54:40] » and there are procedures in place like if a nest is stopped, etc.

[1:54:47] regulate the state level um require like setbacks etc stop working in that area

[1:54:55] that kind of thing >> how far is a setback from an active nest

[1:54:59] » that I do not know that's that's a >> definitely a question that's a question

[1:55:05] that could definitely be answered >> next time for sure

[1:55:08] » depends on the species >> golden gold

[1:55:11] » or golden eagle either one >> not correct

[1:55:14] » there's also that protective bats That's probably for

[1:55:20] » actually eagles >> all of that is heavily regulated. They

[1:55:23] have to go through US Fish and Wildlife Service as well as DNR.

[1:55:26] » Sure. >> I was just curious.

[1:55:28] » I understand that. I just want to know I know I think on a turbine it might be a

[1:55:32] mile and a half unless they change that. I was wondering on slower what the set

[1:55:38] is. >> That would make sense I guess for a

[1:55:42] turbine >> because the movement and everything.

[1:55:49] I know you me being by 74. Actually, they're out there in the field all the

[1:55:53] time. I mean, you know, quite often, so I don't know if they're straight down

[1:55:57] the road. >> Yeah, they're out there, especially at

[1:56:00] the end of harvest. I mean, I know there was probably and I probably got I've got

[1:56:04] a picture just not too long ago where I took there was three or four, but

[1:56:08] they're in the field.

[1:56:12] U going on moving on to uh letter K, special use permit

[1:56:18] drainage tile. >> So just a couple issues on this one. I

[1:56:21] think I addressed it at the last meeting. The first one is that there's a

[1:56:25] requirement to um get approval from the neighboring land owner under the

[1:56:32] Illinois drainage code. If I want to put in a new drain tile as a mutual drain,

[1:56:38] uh I mean I can if I have to, I can go under under certain circumstances,

[1:56:42] there's statutory uh provisions that allow me to go to court to uh require

[1:56:48] the neighbor to get to allow me to uh to go over their property to uh to to drain

[1:56:55] well. Uh so getting approvals I don't think I I would just ask you to check

[1:57:01] and make sure that's consistent with the element drainage script. The second

[1:57:04] issue that I think I addressed previously was that um with in terms of

[1:57:09] repairing drain tile or um making sure there are proper gradients during the

[1:57:15] operation of the facility. The AMA allows for the project to reroute the

[1:57:20] drain tile around the out to the perimeter perimeter of the project. The

[1:57:26] flow has to be maintained, right? The existing flow has to be substantially

[1:57:30] maintained, but it contemplates that you're um that you may end up uh

[1:57:35] interfering with the existing drain tile system. That's why the the drain it it

[1:57:40] it it contemplates that the the the system would be redesigned so that it

[1:57:45] flows around the facility to accommodate the existing flow. And so I just want to

[1:57:51] make sure that this provision doesn't conflict with that um provision in the

[1:57:56] game. So you're saying basically if if I I have a field that runs straight

[1:58:00] through it, your AMA will tell you that you can stop it on this part, run it

[1:58:05] around here and connect it to the other side.

[1:58:08] » Yeah, in I mean yes, but most of the time if you've got a main tile line,

[1:58:12] it'll stay it'll be avoided. Um they'll keep a lane for it. Um, but for the

[1:58:19] laterals, you know, they'll, especially if they're old and made of clay, they

[1:58:22] may uh just end up um making them obsolete and design another tile system

[1:58:30] that goes around the perimeter of the project. And again, if you read the the

[1:58:34] language in the AMA, it expressly allows for that. And that's all I'm saying is

[1:58:39] let's not do something here that um that interferes with the ability that the

[1:58:46] what the what they aim on laps >> doesn't have a tile of agricultural

[1:58:51] field they run lap you know but they

[1:58:57] [clears throat] >> if I went in

[1:59:01] » well talk to the talk to the Illinois Farm Bureau because they they drafted

[1:59:04] that language >> if I went in on a main and or laterals

[1:59:10] with someone who put a project on their property and my The vein or laterals

[1:59:18] that I helped pay for were damaged. I would want them fixed yesterday. Plus,

[1:59:25] I would want them fixed by someone of my chief, not by someone of that project's

[1:59:31] chief. >> Under, as I said, has the flow has to be

[1:59:36] maintained under the Illinois drainage code. The land owner or the project

[1:59:40] would have an obligation to maintain that flow.

[1:59:44] And I speak from experience. I said experience. He worked on a wind farm for

[1:59:48] a while. When they

[1:59:52] » just please let me finish. When they cut the tiles

[1:59:58] and he had a fit, he was instructed you are just to fill them in. That's why I

[2:00:04] made the point if my tiles were cut or my names,

[2:00:08] I would want a say so on and who was repairing

[2:00:13] » and I think that's a lot of trust. Go ahead.

[2:00:18] » All I'm asking is to make sure it's consistent with what's allowed in the

[2:00:21] name of because that's required by state

[2:00:28] and it's and the solar Oh, and this is what I want to say. The solar AMA

[2:00:32] language is different from the wind AMA language. Again, the wind AA does not

[2:00:37] allow it has to be repaired within I think 14 days. The solar AMA allows

[2:00:44] gives an option to go around the perimeter of the different parts of the

[2:00:48] » and how long do they have to have? >> Again, it it gets at the end at the end

[2:00:54] of the day, there's a there's another provision that covers deconstruction. I

[2:00:58] mean, I I would just encourage you to read the the solar, but there's another

[2:01:01] provision that uh that covers deconstruction that um requires repair,

[2:01:07] etc. >> Aren't you here to answer questions?

[2:01:10] » What's that? >> That was a legal question she asked, I

[2:01:12] believe. And I thought that's what you were here for instead of telling her to

[2:01:16] go read something. Well,

[2:01:20] I mean you if you if you was not

[2:01:25] it would be it'll be repaired immediately. Like I know the people that

[2:01:28] I'm associated with nobody's going to leave a dry towel and I don't think

[2:01:33] you'd have any problem putting in there the ordinance

[2:01:36] and you know solar solar does like solar projects do like no issue with well

[2:01:41] drained site. um solar panels become less efficient uh if there's pools of

[2:01:47] water under them. Um so it's in it's in our best interest to to maximize our

[2:01:53] electricity production to maintain good drainage on the site and you're required

[2:01:57] to do that under the drainage code with respect to your neighbors.

[2:02:02] I think her question was just about how fast are you going to prepare them

[2:02:06] » really fast again >> and is that what's under I mean are we

[2:02:12] going to put that in here how long they have to get them prepared

[2:02:15] » and I think part of part of it may be coming from because it says in here in

[2:02:18] part of your rebuttal uh to this is saying allowing only 14 days for

[2:02:22] draining power is unnecessarily emergency. So if you're going to say

[2:02:27] that that's probably what people are asking for

[2:02:32] » 14 days immediate >> but he says it's going to happen.

[2:02:45] Yeah.

[2:02:56] Yeah, I think decommissioning.

[2:03:05] » It's on the next page.

[2:03:15] » So, How long is it going to take you to install the field?

[2:03:19] » 12 to 18 months. >> Okay. But you're saying that it's um it

[2:03:25] needs to take more time to take it down. >> We're saying 6 months is not enough time

[2:03:30] or could not be enough time potentially depending on which season of the year

[2:03:35] this work starts especially. And so we're just asking that that be aligned

[2:03:40] with the agricultural impact mitigation agreement to allow for 12 months.

[2:03:49] related to construction season and the rest of it to

[2:03:53] » like if you start decommissioning in April like today it'd be great start

[2:03:58] decommissioning 6 weeks ago it was 30° that's a little bit different

[2:04:04] » I don't think be any decommissioning going on between November and February

[2:04:08] in central Illinois

[2:04:12] weathering

[2:04:15] You said full installation could take 12 18 months from beginning to operation.

[2:04:22] » Okay.

[2:04:29] L5 additions to

[2:04:34] » um we would just request that the A+ requirement A minus um still

[2:04:41] in the same category as AM defined it's just a lot it's a lot

[2:04:48] easier to find institutions to supply that a

[2:04:52] » well I think that the main concern is we need to know that you're established and

[2:04:55] financially healthy enough for a 35 your project.

[2:04:58] » Got it. Yeah. And I mean if if a you know if a bond is preferred over a

[2:05:04] letter of credit like if that assurance more so that could work I think we'd

[2:05:09] prefer that here we prefer an A minus for the bond rather than a plus.

[2:05:16] » Okay. >> And I also guess I look at it from if I

[2:05:19] got State Farm you know if I want to go to A minus and get the J then you know

[2:05:24] my coverage might not be as as good. So I guess that's the put an analogy of

[2:05:30] where I was looking at the A+ rating 35 years from now you know whether you have

[2:05:34] it or you don't have it for example I want to make sure that we've covered

[2:05:41] [clears throat] I don't want to go to the general

[2:05:44] » got nice thing about the decommissioning

[2:05:47] plan is that there's enough metals on the project that would more than cover

[2:05:53] like the cost of decommissioning called a construction project to just remove

[2:05:57] the site make it look a farm ground again that's more than paid for by the

[2:06:01] steel the copper aluminum that's sitting out there. So speaking from experience

[2:06:06] um as the village if somebody said well they were A+ today and then they went

[2:06:11] away and you know some folks in08 right and they no longer exist you know AIG

[2:06:17] barely survived the backup is you got a boatload of metals out there that um

[2:06:24] » that you can't recycle. >> Oh yeah you can recycle

[2:06:28] » maybe the poles and stuff. What are you going to do with panels?

[2:06:31] » Well the panels aren't where the money's at. money sitting.

[2:06:34] » I know what I'm saying is early years when those would still be

[2:06:40] » what I'm saying there's enough metals there I could show you the math on just

[2:06:44] commodities I don't know what commodities going to be in 35 years but

[2:06:47] there are a lot of things that AI replace metal and copper aluminum aren't

[2:06:52] on that list so there's a backup plan if you will if the world goes to an end and

[2:06:58] the A+ insurance that you have today goes to D minus tomorrow You got to back

[2:07:03] the plan. >> You're saying all that will cover labor

[2:07:06] and the disposal of the panels? >> Absolutely. I do the New York Minute.

[2:07:10] I'm just telling every you give me the plant, I'll take care of it. And I would

[2:07:13] tear the whole thing down myself. That's what I did for 22 years.

[2:07:19] Lots of out there that are recyclable. I know it gets confusing sometimes too

[2:07:26] when you know they're the landfills consider the the panels and things dirty

[2:07:31] and you know too dirty for the landfill. So, you know, it starts making you you

[2:07:36] think >> that would be 30 years ago that's

[2:07:39] inaccurate. The could have been accurate, but in today's panels, there's

[2:07:44] there's not much in a panel that is undesirable for a recycling effort.

[2:07:49] Honestly, for him, because he's got an easy recycling plan, but they're pretty

[2:07:54] easy to recycle. There's not bad stuff in them anymore.

[2:07:57] » So, are you saying like the ones that they're putting in our landfill will

[2:08:00] take them? I don't think you put them in land. So

[2:08:04] they grab the gra aluminum and copper out of them. Then you put the rest in

[2:08:09] the land the glass. >> But will will our landfill take it?

[2:08:13] » I don't. >> No,

[2:08:14] » that's what I said. I don't speak for anybody's recycling. I just know that

[2:08:17] there's not bad stuff in them and they're recyclable.

[2:08:21] » I knew the last the closest place was Texas, but

[2:08:24] » you know, like he said, the scene has grown over years, so there's more people

[2:08:28] I don't know. I mean, there's places in Illinois.

[2:08:30] » I do know that I I do know that there is like this like wind turbine graveyard in

[2:08:35] Texas that they don't know what to do with. I think it's because of the

[2:08:40] materials that those blades are made out of. I mean, it's it is substantially

[2:08:44] different material wise, I would think.

[2:08:49] Um so yeah to to Chris's point like you know again it's it's it's aluminum glass

[2:08:56] um copper right and then poly silicates. So that's

[2:09:01] that's what our panels are comprised of. We don't use any type panels you know

[2:09:07] toxic legion >> within the panels that we use.

[2:09:14] » Anything else on

[2:09:19] letter credit escro account. >> Um I think our request here is that this

[2:09:26] be issued that we issue this prior to building permit instead of at special

[2:09:31] use permit. Um you know one good reason for this is just simply design

[2:09:38] advancement. Um generally, you know, when we come to permitting entities, we

[2:09:44] will approach when we're around the 60% design phase or maybe 30%.

[2:09:49] Um as those designs advanced, the numbers on the decommissioning gets

[2:09:56] more and more accurate home data. So when we come for the building permit,

[2:10:00] that's when we have our issue for construction designs. That is the

[2:10:03] certain number. And so that's why we just request that that be that become a

[2:10:09] requirement of the building permit. >> So you would show that to us before we

[2:10:14] issue the building permit. >> Correct. The decommission plan. Yes. The

[2:10:17] security asking for was to make sure we saw before the permit was issued.

[2:10:23] Special use permit.

[2:10:27] » So we are asking that it be not a part of the special use permit but a part of

[2:10:31] the building permit. >> Right. She want you want to make sure

[2:10:34] heating plan was before the building permit.

[2:10:37] » Okay, got it. Yes.

[2:10:43] » Um and then we just had one more. It's the item M.

[2:10:46] » Y um we just request that the special use permit be for 35 year term. Projects

[2:10:52] are financed on 35 year terms. That's kind of just like the baseline. The

[2:10:58] panels are guaranteed 35 year terms. So it all kind of just ties into the 35

[2:11:04] year term. >> How long is the lease with the land?

[2:11:10] » Uh those go up to 50. >> What you currently have is

[2:11:14] 25 or 35? >> It's 50 but it's not a base fix. So

[2:11:21] » it's not a base though. It's >> what is the initial lease?

[2:11:27] » Initial lease is 30 years with two year ascensions.

[2:11:32] 30 years ahead.

[2:11:49] Happy to keep discussion.

[2:12:02] » You want me to stand up or can I sit here?

[2:12:05] » Sit there. >> Okay. I'm confused and I've been

[2:12:09] confused since before this started

[2:12:13] and then after hearing some of the comments made, it didn't help my

[2:12:17] confusion. I'm confused because I thought Tilton for the betterment of

[2:12:22] Tilton was trying to improve their ordinances to cover this is a new thing

[2:12:30] this huge industrial solar. So you're looking at that you're looking at you

[2:12:35] know you have the covers coming in and all that. you're looking at a broad

[2:12:39] scope of things and yet I feel like sitting through this

[2:12:46] it's more of let's see if we can tailor our ordinances to meet Earthrise's

[2:12:54] expectations. Earthrise doesn't live in Tilton and I

[2:12:59] feel like you all represent the people of Tilton. I think you're trying to do

[2:13:04] the very best that you can for Tilt. we are

[2:13:07] » and I understand their interest because they want to become part of this

[2:13:12] community in this area but I don't know that it's I understand you all have to f

[2:13:20] follow the law but I don't know that you have to

[2:13:25] how do I say this message necessarily do what they instruct you to do

[2:13:30] [clears throat] because you're trying to represent solar maybe some community

[2:13:36] solar maybe some warehouse. You're trying to

[2:13:39] look at the whole thing. It keeps coming back to just Earth price

[2:13:45] in this industrial 1,400 acre solar plot. So, that's why I'm a little

[2:13:52] confused because I feel like you all do have the right to set ordinances for

[2:13:57] your community. And since the laws change and technology changes and

[2:14:03] everything else, you're constantly before the lawyer commented, "Well, you

[2:14:07] didn't have that before." No, because this is a whole new thing. That's why

[2:14:11] you didn't have it before. You're trying to address that now. And I don't know,

[2:14:15] I'm not the greatest at explaining how what the point I'm trying to get across.

[2:14:20] So, I hope you guys understand my muddled the direction here.

[2:14:24] » So, let me let me try to summarize it. what from what I understand what you're

[2:14:28] saying and I can understand that you know it seems like at this point we're

[2:14:32] talking with earth representative on some of their thought processes to what

[2:14:38] we we had with an ordinance um and it's it's not a scenario that we're here

[2:14:44] trying to compromise with them or anything else. It is new. We're trying

[2:14:48] to understand it. I'm I've learned so much in the last few months uh with this

[2:14:53] probably more than I even want to know to be honest with you. Um but in order

[2:14:58] to protect and serve the citizens of Tilton, I have to have these

[2:15:04] conversations because it makes me understand where not only where they're

[2:15:08] coming from, but also how does it affect the village? How does it affect like

[2:15:13] we've talked about 35 years of decommissioning? They have no idea.

[2:15:16] they're six years old, seven years old in in their in their process with the

[2:15:20] company. I have no idea either, but we share that that situation. He can't tell

[2:15:26] me and I can't tell you either. So, now we have to get to a a point of the the

[2:15:31] risk management portion of it as you used earlier of to try to make a

[2:15:35] decision. >> Do they understand it's more to it to

[2:15:39] you guys than just making them happy? I mean,

[2:15:43] » I'm sure I got to think. I mean, don't I'm not sitting there trying to make

[2:15:47] anybody happy. I'm trying to understand what I'm doing

[2:15:50] » so I can make a decision, an informed decision on something. Um, I do it at

[2:15:55] work every day, you know, so I have to make sure that I understand what I'm

[2:15:59] doing before I try to go fix it. >> And I appreciate all the time you all

[2:16:03] effort you've put into this. >> And I appreciate all the comments

[2:16:05] because it's more thing it creates dialogue. Sometimes it gets going where

[2:16:09] you don't like to hear things like we talked about earlier, but hearing it

[2:16:12] from Yeah. you know, somebody that's in the field, for example, doing something

[2:16:16] makes maybe a little bit more sense. And same thing with, you know, you being an

[2:16:20] engineer telling us that the transmission lines are hum, you know, it

[2:16:23] makes a lot of sense to us because we doesn't we don't know any different.

[2:16:25] » And we appreciate all you guys because you guys have been dealing with this,

[2:16:29] Becky, and and you know, or in your area. So, you guys have a lot more

[2:16:36] knowledge than we do on this. >> Yeah.

[2:16:40] » So, to say that to to summarize that whole thing. And so to sum to summarize

[2:16:44] it up is that the point of these meetings is not to okay you tell me what

[2:16:49] you don't like so I can make it right. >> It's to try to understand where they're

[2:16:53] coming from as well as everybody else. So then when we try to make an informed

[2:16:58] decision on what's best for our town. >> Okay.

[2:17:01] » So that's Thank you.

[2:17:06] » Um anything else? And and if we had another project that that was wanting to

[2:17:11] come out there, we would we might have ordinances where for instance we have we

[2:17:15] have um issues that come up in town. We have to make new ordinances,

[2:17:20] » right? >> This is this is new. This is new. This

[2:17:22] is why we have to have ordinances. >> So yeah,

[2:17:25] » so to compare this to what ordinances we already have for other stuff or don't

[2:17:30] have is not even it's not something you can even do.

[2:17:37] Everything comes uniquely with risks, benefits, allies.

[2:17:40] » That's right. >> With that being said, does anybody else

[2:17:44] have anything? >> So, I want to appreciate, first of all,

[2:17:48] I want to thank you all for coming to to have dialogue without any type of,

[2:17:53] you know, no pun intended, but punches being thrown. Um, it's nice to have

[2:17:58] » it's nice to have that, you know, to be able and I think ultimately that's what

[2:18:02] we wanted tonight. So, I appreciate that. looking forward to the other

[2:18:06] things that you had to bring back to the table.

[2:18:09] » Yes. Do you know when the next meeting will be?

[2:18:12] » I do not.

[2:18:18] » Thank you. Motion to

[2:18:21] » Oh, I have a motion to adjourn.

[2:18:25] Yes.

VOT Ordinance Meeting 04/23/2026

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