[0:17] I will call to order the appearance

[0:18] review board meeting on August 4th,

[0:21] 2026. Let's stand for the pledge of

[0:23] allegiance.

[0:49] me.

[0:49] >> Member Balcom

[0:52] >> present.

[0:54] >> Chair Grimes

[0:56] >> present.

[0:57] >> Vice Chair Gil

[0:58] >> present.

[1:00] >> Member Kettle is absent. Member Rain is

[1:02] absent.

[1:06] Is there anyone present who would like

[1:08] to speak?

[1:10] I will close the floor.

[1:14] Um, approval of the minutes from June

[1:16] 2nd, 2026. Are there any questions or

[1:19] comments on the minutes?

[1:24] » Can I have a motion?

[1:28] » I'll make a motion to approve the

[1:30] minutes of the June 2nd, 2026 meeting.

[1:34] Second.

[1:35] >> All in favor?

[1:37] >> I.

[1:38] >> Any opposed?

[1:40] Motion passes.

[1:43] » Um the new business. This item it is for

[1:47] ordinance 20265

[1:49] Oakland Town Center resoning development

[1:52] agreement and preliminary subdivision

[1:54] plan.

[1:56] Yes. An ordinance of the town of

[1:58] Oakland, Florida, adopting a town

[1:59] official zoning map amendment from C1

[2:02] Commercial General within the urban

[2:04] corridor design district to PUB Plan

[2:07] Yune Development within the urban

[2:09] corridor design district for certain

[2:11] real property owned by Oakland Town

[2:13] Center LLC, generally located on the

[2:16] north side of State Road 50 at the

[2:18] northwest corner of the intersection of

[2:20] State Road 50 and Katherine Ross Road,

[2:23] as more particularly described herein

[2:26] with an approximate size of 14.80 acres,

[2:30] approving a development agreement

[2:31] between the property owner and the town

[2:33] of Oakland, and approving a preliminary

[2:36] subdivision plan, making findings, and

[2:38] providing for conflicts, severability,

[2:40] and an effective date.

[3:11] Good evening, members of the ARB. It's

[3:12] good to be back before you guys again to

[3:14] talk about the Oakland Town Center.

[3:17] Before we get into specifics, we'll go

[3:18] into a little bit of background

[3:20] regarding the actual property itself.

[3:22] So, without going through all of the

[3:25] actual numbers, this property is

[3:26] comprised of five distinct existing

[3:28] parcels of land totaling about 14.8

[3:32] acres. It contains both a commercial

[3:35] future land use classification and

[3:37] zoning district. And it is located

[3:38] within the town's urban corridor design

[3:40] district. And as mentioned in the

[3:43] reading of the ordinance, the purpose of

[3:44] this is to

[3:46] an all-encompassing package, but the

[3:48] first and foremost is to reszone the

[3:51] property from its existing commercial

[3:53] zoning district to a planned unit

[3:55] development. As part of that planned

[3:57] unit development is the development

[4:00] agreement which governs and creates the

[4:02] regulations, standards, what is and is

[4:04] not allowed on the property. And with

[4:06] that development agreement then if we're

[4:08] going down to the third layer is the

[4:10] associated preliminary subdivision plan

[4:12] which the purpose would be to um serve

[4:16] as the template when if and when it

[4:18] comes through for final construction

[4:20] review by the town. So that's a little

[4:22] bit of a background of what we're here

[4:24] reviewing tonight.

[4:26] Looking at the site location map, the

[4:28] property is bordered on the east by

[4:30] Katherine Ross Road. And the little

[4:32] cutout here you can see is um just for

[4:35] spatial references, the tractor supply

[4:38] store there. And you can see the current

[4:41] five parcel configuration.

[4:48] So what actually comprises the Oakland

[4:50] Town Center is 11 singlestory commercial

[4:53] buildings that vary in size from

[4:56] approximately 10,000 foot multi-tenant

[4:59] buildings all the way down to a 12

[5:00] approximately 1,200 foot drive-thru

[5:03] building. In total all the buildings

[5:05] comprise of 84,020

[5:07] square feet and is accessed via five

[5:10] distinct points. And you can see one off

[5:13] of State directly off State Road 50, two

[5:16] off of Katherine Ross Road, and one off

[5:19] the side street directly in front of the

[5:22] um tractor supply parking lot. You'll

[5:25] notice here as part of and it is

[5:27] indicated on the um provided preliminary

[5:30] subdivision plan, part of this project

[5:32] would comprise of the construction of a

[5:35] connecting roadway here. And you can see

[5:38] this red area to be constructed by the

[5:40] developer and eventually once

[5:42] constructed it would be dedicated to the

[5:44] town as public rightway as a

[5:46] transportation improvement.

[5:51] So here is a general overview of the

[5:53] plan. It will become important um in a

[5:56] few slides but just take note of the

[5:58] specific location and orientation of

[6:01] buildings because we are going to go

[6:03] building by building and discuss what

[6:05] each of these is to look like. So, I'll

[6:08] jump back and forth if needed, but just

[6:10] get a general sense of the layout of and

[6:12] configuration of the buildings you see

[6:14] on the site plan.

[6:16] And tying to that, we also have the

[6:19] associated landscape plan. And it is

[6:21] these two things together, including

[6:23] details such as drainage, utility

[6:25] connections, things such as that. All of

[6:27] this together comprise the preliminary

[6:29] subdivision plan that is before you and

[6:31] subject to this ordinance development

[6:33] agreement and associated plan

[6:35] development.

[6:40] So continuing on the overview, as

[6:43] mentioned, there is a governing

[6:44] development agreement which creates a

[6:47] specific set of standards and

[6:49] regulations that in some cases may

[6:51] differ from what the general land

[6:52] development code um requires or can be

[6:55] more restrictive. As an example,

[6:59] specific uses that are permitted within

[7:02] the planned unit develop include, as you

[7:04] can see here, commercial, retail, office

[7:06] uses, restaurants with no more than one

[7:09] drive-thru is all that's being permitted

[7:11] within this developed project,

[7:13] educational, and clinic uses. So, it is

[7:15] a full gamut of potential uses that

[7:17] could go into um this project as

[7:20] governed by the development agreement.

[7:22] There is also a specific prohibition on

[7:24] a couple of uses. Both tobacco, smoke

[7:27] shops, marijuana dispensaries, those are

[7:30] in the agreement and baked in that they

[7:32] cannot apologize for the pun cannot go

[7:36] into the um the subject site. There are

[7:39] also, which are separate from the

[7:41] specific deviations that are being

[7:42] requested before you as the ARB tonight,

[7:45] certain standards, as I mentioned, that

[7:47] do differ slightly from what the general

[7:49] code requires and were negotiated as

[7:51] part of the development agreement

[7:52] drafting process. As an example,

[7:56] the um the development agreement does

[7:58] permit the maximum width of the

[8:00] commercial buildings to go up to 240 um

[8:03] liner feet as opposed to believe it's

[8:06] 150 as per regulated by the code. that

[8:08] was negotiated and agreed to by the two

[8:10] parties. And that is in the development

[8:12] agreement that is included as part of

[8:14] your packet.

[8:17] And as mentioned, the the entirety of

[8:19] the preliminary subdivision plan is

[8:21] incorporated as an exhibit to this

[8:23] development agreement and will be, as I

[8:26] mentioned, the governing reference

[8:27] document for final engineering and

[8:30] construction plan review by the entirety

[8:33] of the town review team. So I think

[8:34] that's an important thing to note is the

[8:38] this is a preliminary subdivision plan.

[8:40] This is not a final approval. We if and

[8:44] when it gets through the sequence it

[8:45] will still need to go before the town to

[8:47] ensure that all the design elements in

[8:50] regard to engineering landscaping are

[8:52] installed properly. all of those

[8:54] elements including any outside permits

[8:57] that are required whether it be with the

[8:58] water management district panelis or

[9:00] sorry it's my old life orange county

[9:03] fire and etc etc.

[9:11] So, as the appearance reviewer, as the

[9:13] appearance review board, you are um

[9:16] certain deviations can be asked of you

[9:18] from the specific standards of the um

[9:21] the town's design districts, certain

[9:23] variances or dimensional changes. And

[9:28] as the ARB, you do review propo

[9:30] proposals to ensure that they confirm

[9:32] conform to the intent and purpose of

[9:34] each of the town's design districts. The

[9:37] applicant group did provide a list of

[9:40] specific requests and uh specific

[9:42] deviations that they are seeking from

[9:44] the code. And as I did mention to each

[9:46] of you when you came in, the initial um

[9:50] deviation letters that you received were

[9:52] the were a previous draft of the of the

[9:55] request and the final version is what

[9:58] has been presented to you. The only

[10:00] difference is the in terms of the

[10:03] signage and we'll actually get into the

[10:04] next slide and kind of transition that

[10:06] better. So this remains the same. Um per

[10:10] the LDC 60% of the building is required

[10:13] to be transparent whether it be through

[10:16] doors, windows etc. 60% of commercial

[10:19] buildings are required to be transparent

[10:22] and not just solid mass blank walls.

[10:24] What has been proposed by the applicant

[10:26] group is what's known as the pedestrian

[10:28] uh transparency method which the stated

[10:32] intent is to really facilitate that more

[10:34] ground level design and change the way

[10:37] that that calculation is um I guess is

[10:41] perceived more from a pedestrian level

[10:44] rather than you know somebody going by

[10:46] on the turnpike for example.

[10:49] And as you and now the next two are in

[10:52] relation to signage. So, per the land

[10:54] development code, each developed piece

[10:57] of property is permitted a single ground

[10:59] sign. Um, as part of the development,

[11:03] the applicant is requesting three ground

[11:05] signs. And I have a um I have a

[11:09] rendering of one type of the sign. The

[11:11] applicant group is intending to have

[11:13] their own presentation. You will see the

[11:15] a better layout than what is in my own

[11:17] presentation.

[11:19] And in addition to that, for each one of

[11:21] those um two of those ground signs, the requested deviation would be to take

[11:28] the minimum or the maximum sign area, I

[11:30] should say, from 48 ft per the LDC

[11:33] standards to a maximum sign area of 51

[11:37] square feet. For the third sign, there

[11:39] is no requested deviation from the code

[11:40] requirements.

[11:44] Now, we will go into architectural

[11:46] design. So, as I mentioned, I will go

[11:49] back and forth if needed, but

[11:54] so building B1.

[11:57] Actually, Kathy, would you mind if I get

[11:59] the keyboard? That might be helpful for

[12:01] this.

[12:07] So, this building type is one of I go

[12:11] back to the site plan. So, this building

[12:14] here is one of these. If you guys can

[12:16] see my mouse, it's one of the ones that

[12:18] do not have direct frontage on State

[12:20] Road 50 or Katherine Ross Road. It is uh

[12:23] tucked in behind the primary frontage

[12:25] buildings. And that one

[12:28] is the first elevation set we're looking

[12:32] at.

[12:33] And again, it should be noted that these

[12:35] are preliminary renderings. These are

[12:36] not the formal official elevations that

[12:39] would need to be reviewed as part of the

[12:41] building permitting process.

[12:47] So looking at this, this is B, this is

[12:49] building B2. This is one of the two, uh primary

[12:54] building masses that are going to be

[12:56] fronting along State Road 50.

[13:04] We have here building B3. This one is

[13:07] directly adjacent to that first set of

[13:10] buildings tucked behind the primary

[13:13] fronting buildings on State Road 50.

[13:20] This one is building B4. This is the

[13:23] building to the east which is also

[13:26] directly fronting State Road 50.

[13:35] This one here is building B5, which is

[13:39] another one of the buildings that will

[13:41] be tucked in to the um tucked in behind

[13:45] those buildings that are directly

[13:46] fronting along State Road 50.

[13:54] This is building B6. This is the

[13:56] building, if you're looking at your site

[13:57] plan, that is turned sideways and faces

[14:00] Katherine Ross Road.

[14:09] Looking at building B7, this is um guess

[14:14] the only way really to show you is to go

[14:16] back to the site plan. So B7

[14:20] is apologize.

[14:24] Building B7. This is seven and eight. So

[14:27] just for reference points, these are

[14:29] these two buildings that are facing

[14:30] sideways with their sides facing

[14:32] Katherine Ross Road.

[14:35] I'll go back to those.

[14:54] Let's get my number here.

[15:04] 60. Apologize everyone.

[15:10] Okay. So then, as I said, that was B7.

[15:14] And then B8. Very similar. They're these

[15:16] buildings are right next to each other,

[15:17] so they do have similar elevations.

[15:21] And then finally, we get to B9. And this

[15:25] is the building that has the most direct

[15:27] frontage directly against Katherine Ross

[15:29] Road.

[15:32] And if you notice on the site plan,

[15:34] there are the two um smaller standalone

[15:37] buildings. These are the two um they're

[15:40] listed, I believe, on the site plan as

[15:42] OP1 and OP2. This is the first building.

[15:45] You can see it's a two tenants two

[15:47] tenant building. And this is also

[15:49] fronting State Road 50. And as

[15:51] mentioned, there is only one permitted

[15:53] drive-thru um per the development

[15:56] agreement. And this is the preliminary

[15:58] rendering of that singular drive-thru

[16:01] facility.

[16:03] Thank you for bearing with me as we went

[16:05] back and forth with the elevations on

[16:06] there. I'm happy to go back and at any

[16:08] of those once we're done with this

[16:09] presentation.

[16:16] And as I mentioned, this was the sign

[16:19] subject to the original request that you

[16:21] received for two monument signs instead

[16:23] of one. These would be located, if

[16:25] you're looking at the site plan, on the

[16:27] primary entrance along State Road 50.

[16:30] And then the second one would be on the

[16:33] entryway to Katherine Ross Road. But the

[16:35] applicant group during their

[16:36] presentation will show you on their site

[16:39] plan where that third um I guess you can

[16:42] call it a keynote sign would be located

[16:45] at the intersection of those two roads.

[16:52] So as noted this project is proposed to

[16:54] be located within the town's urban

[16:56] corridor design district the with the

[16:58] intent of AC which the intent of which

[17:01] is to accommodate mixeduse projects of

[17:04] and larger scale developments. Staff did

[17:07] find during our analysis that the

[17:08] proposed development is consistent with

[17:10] the intent and purpose of the urban

[17:11] corridor design district um by creating

[17:15] com largescale commercial uses with

[17:17] local and regional accessibility given

[17:19] its proximity to a very busy commercial

[17:23] thoroughare project would also

[17:25] facilitate the redevelopment of an

[17:27] underutilized vacant property with

[17:29] difficult topography and terrain which

[17:30] I'm sure the applicant group might get

[17:32] into during their presentation and of

[17:34] course the develment could promote

[17:37] remote economic investment and support

[17:39] job creation within the town relative to

[17:41] a vacant piece of land.

[17:45] So based on this, staff does find the

[17:47] proposed Oakland Town Center as

[17:48] presented substantially compliant with

[17:50] the town of Oakland's land development

[17:52] code and the design district

[17:54] requirements. Um and do recommend

[17:57] approval of ordinance 20265

[18:00] and provide that as is provided with

[18:02] this agenda item. Apologize, it's really

[18:04] hot in here. And um the applicant group

[18:08] also has their own presentation that

[18:10] they're that they um have queued up, but

[18:13] before we get to them, if you have any

[18:14] questions for me, that concludes staff's

[18:16] presentation. And thank you for your

[18:17] time.

[18:33] I I don't have anything. I'm going to

[18:35] wait for their presentation and then

[18:40] go from there. Thank you guys.

[18:44] Well, good evening. Thanks y'all for the

[18:46] record. Logan Obsol Lounge Law Firm, 215

[18:48] North Yola Drive. Uh we we brought the

[18:51] whole project team for you and so really

[18:53] appreciate Taylor going in depth with

[18:55] staff presentation. We intend to do the

[18:57] same. hopefully kind of anticipating

[18:58] your questions um and so we can get all

[19:01] those answered at the forefront. Um but

[19:03] before I begin, I just want to bring up

[19:04] Alex Ree uh the applicant who uh wanted

[19:07] to just introduce himself as well.

[19:10] >> Hi, my name is Alex Ree and uh I've

[19:13] thoroughly enjoyed working with your

[19:14] town on this project. This project has

[19:16] been a long time coming. It has been a a

[19:20] monster project really. Uh, I think that

[19:23] we felt like there was a vision here off

[19:26] of uh, Highway 50 10 years ago and we

[19:30] saw the growth with Winter Garden and

[19:32] Claremont and some of the towns that

[19:34] you're surrounded by. We felt like that

[19:36] there was a a real possibility that this

[19:39] area could uh could grow into an area

[19:42] where people would want to lease product

[19:44] here. And

[19:47] we went through this process with St.

[19:48] John's water management. And uh I

[19:51] digress here, but it was a very long

[19:52] arduous process because we had to

[19:54] mitigate an acre and a quarter of land

[19:57] on the on the site. I tell you guys this

[20:00] because over the time period, this area

[20:02] has gotten more and more and more robust

[20:05] in terms of what we can build here. Now,

[20:08] so what kind of started out is as is

[20:10] maybe something that would support well

[20:12] something very much like Schmidt

[20:14] Construction has across the street,

[20:16] which was it was never really all that

[20:18] glamorous to me. The rents now in the

[20:21] area plus uh just the just the trips per

[20:25] day support something quite different,

[20:27] something that I'm very excited to bring

[20:29] to you guys today. Um it's going to be

[20:31] an incredible project. I mean, we're

[20:33] trying to do something very much like a

[20:34] winter garden feel or a winter park feel

[20:37] to this. Um, it's uh we've I think the

[20:41] biggest thing that I'm the most proud of

[20:43] is the team that we've assembled. Okay.

[20:45] So, uh Brent who's with Kimley Horn, who

[20:48] I believe works with your town, is just

[20:50] in incredible. He's an incredible

[20:52] partner for us. He's done an incredible

[20:54] job working with St. John's Water

[20:55] Management. Bobby who works with Gemini

[20:57] is not here tonight, but I think you

[20:59] guys know him through Steve Healey and

[21:01] some of the projects that he's done.

[21:03] He's another incredible incredible

[21:05] asset. Alexi is uh just a leasing and

[21:08] guru. I mean, she deals with a lot of

[21:10] different

[21:12] tenants that we think are going to fit

[21:13] very nicely here from an organic craft

[21:17] feel that I think is going to give you a luxurious kind of feel to the town

[21:21] center. You know, we're not looking to

[21:23] do a cookie cutter town center here. And

[21:25] then I would like to also point out uh

[21:27] Costell Benurro who is uh in-house

[21:30] design with me. He handles a lot of our

[21:33] in-house stuff and and has done just an

[21:35] exceptional job working with this. Logan

[21:38] behind me works with a a young woman

[21:39] named Tara Tedro who's also just an

[21:42] incredible part of our team. Just

[21:43] incredible. And then Amanda Sheffield

[21:46] who's our superintendent. So it's been a

[21:48] real process getting here. I've really

[21:50] though thoroughly enjoyed working with

[21:52] you guys and I look forward to

[21:53] presenting the the project to you

[21:54] tonight and hopefully you guys will like

[21:56] it as much as we do.

[21:59] >> Thanks, Alex. So, I hate it when that

[22:02] happens, right? We'll we'll we'll dive

[22:03] in. Um and and again, appreciate the

[22:05] depth since we're here at ARB. Wanted to

[22:08] give you some appearances and give you

[22:09] some of these pictures. So, over the

[22:11] course of the next three hours, you'll

[22:13] hear from I'm just kidding. So, uh want

[22:16] to give you some renderings of the

[22:17] project itself. Um, I think Alex did a

[22:20] great job of touching on the quality in

[22:21] which we're trying to instill, but this

[22:23] is the Oakland Town Center. I mean,

[22:24] Oakland has its own unique brand, and

[22:26] this is an opportunity to capture that.

[22:29] Um, and so this is a what we've done. We

[22:33] have an assemblage of 11 different

[22:35] buildings, almost 50, more than 50 uh

[22:37] tenant opportunities. And you'll see

[22:40] throughout these pictures kind of a

[22:41] thoughtful design of breaking up what we're used to seeing, providing

[22:45] courtyards, connectivity, uh the type of

[22:48] things that Oakland's become accustomed

[22:50] to. And here's some of those features

[22:53] that you have with the fountains and

[22:54] some gathering places. We're not just

[22:56] foc focusing on, you know, the proper

[23:00] traffic and vehicular uh

[23:03] safety and and how those all interact

[23:06] with the buildings, but also

[23:08] walkability.

[23:09] And how we're doing that is is having

[23:12] things like these unique lightings,

[23:14] umbrellas, you saw some of the water

[23:15] features designed around the movement

[23:18] and, you know, people utilize their golf

[23:20] carts, a lot of connectivity with the

[23:22] town. And so this project really focuses

[23:25] on those characteristics that make

[23:27] Oakland special.

[23:29] Um, we're going to talk a little bit

[23:30] about the signage, but I think this is a

[23:32] good place to just hand over briefly to

[23:35] Alexi. You can talk a little bit about

[23:37] the tenants and what we're looking to to

[23:39] gather in this place. Um, if you want

[23:41] to.

[23:46] » Hi guys, thank you for your time. Um so

[23:49] we are really trying to you know bring

[23:52] tenants in that are going to be

[23:53] community centric right so not just all

[23:55] your national brands but we want to

[23:57] create a really curated mix of tenants.

[23:59] So new tomarket restaurants but then

[24:01] also local brands that are you know very

[24:04] popular that people know of. Um fitness

[24:06] health and wellness is a really

[24:08] important category I think for Oakland

[24:10] in general but in general health and

[24:12] wellness category is a huge category now

[24:14] that's growing a lot. Um, and then you

[24:16] know your not just your basic coffee

[24:17] shop, but something that makes you want

[24:18] to sit there and work for a couple hours

[24:20] and it's really community centric and

[24:22] where people meet and spend time. And

[24:24] that's the whole idea behind Oakland

[24:26] Town Center. We're not just creating,

[24:28] you know, another shopping center, but

[24:29] it's a sense of place, right? We're

[24:30] placemaking. And so in order to do that,

[24:32] we need those outdoor spaces, those, you

[24:35] know, beautiful facades. Signage is

[24:37] super important for these brands that

[24:38] we're trying to bring into the market.

[24:40] Um, and we've had to do that on several

[24:42] other projects, too. but to be able to

[24:44] get their attention on projects like

[24:46] this. These are the things that we kind

[24:47] of need. For example, some of the

[24:48] tenants that we're talking to that we're

[24:50] looking at bringing is concepts like

[24:52] Motech and Man out of and Pure Vita.

[24:55] Those are all out of South Florida, New

[24:56] York, but they're actively looking in

[24:58] Winter Garden right now and there's very

[25:00] little space in Winter Garden. So,

[25:02] Oakland is a great opportunity for them

[25:04] to kind of service that Winter Garden

[25:06] need and the Claremont need when there's

[25:08] very little space. Oakland fills that

[25:11] for for these brands. Um, and so as

[25:14] they're actively looking, this is our

[25:15] chance to present to brands like that.

[25:17] Um, Health and Wellness Concept, you

[25:19] know, Solid Core Pilates is a great

[25:21] brand, uh, very well known. They're

[25:23] actively looking in the market. U

[25:26] Barry's Boot Camp, we just did a deal

[25:27] with them, so they're going to open

[25:28] their first location in Winter Park, and

[25:30] naturally, they're going to be looking

[25:32] for their second and third option. And

[25:34] Winter Garden is hot on their list as

[25:36] well. Um, Pause is another one. and it's

[25:38] one of those like hot, you know, hot uh

[25:40] sauna places, cold plunge. So, again,

[25:42] catering to that health and wellness

[25:44] concept. That's another brand that's

[25:45] constantly looking at opportunities. And

[25:47] these are new to market, which is great

[25:49] because we're getting, you know, the

[25:51] attention that Oakland will get with

[25:52] these new tom market brands and that

[25:54] they chose this location for their, you

[25:56] know, for their next door is huge for

[25:58] us. Um, Glow 30 is a med spa, facial

[26:01] space. Um, and then of course, you know,

[26:03] breakfast is huge with the church being

[26:05] next door. We know breakfast is a big

[26:07] deal and so we want to bring in a really

[26:09] cool breakfast concept. I mean, of

[26:11] course, everybody loves a Kiki's, you

[26:13] know, and First Watch, but we'd love to

[26:15] bring in something like Snooze Eater,

[26:17] um, which has been looking in the

[26:19] market, and that would be new to market,

[26:21] and they have not only, you know, a

[26:23] breakfast concept, but they're also a

[26:24] bar. So, you've got more of that bar

[26:26] component. It's a little bit different,

[26:28] and it's more of a full service versus a

[26:30] cafe. Um, and then Pure and Simple is

[26:33] another one, which our team actually

[26:34] represents. Um, and they're always

[26:36] looking in the market as well. Um, and

[26:38] Motech actually fills that category. And

[26:40] then some healthier concepts like, you

[26:42] know, Naked Farmer and Purveto. Those

[26:44] are healthy salad bowl, you know,

[26:46] concepts, you know, organic, you know,

[26:49] brands. And then some of our local

[26:51] favorites. Good Salt Group. A lot of

[26:52] people know Good Salt Group. They did

[26:54] Rya's Mascaria. Um, they've got, um, uh,

[26:58] in downtown um, oh my god, I just drove

[27:00] like Sparrow Sparrow Wine Bar and a

[27:03] couple others that they own in town.

[27:04] sushi. They a sushi concept as well and

[27:06] they're always looking at opportunities.

[27:08] So, and they really like to come into a

[27:10] market and they will create a brand like

[27:12] the Monroe that they did in downtown

[27:14] that's based off of the area and what

[27:16] the area was. So, the Monroe, you know,

[27:18] is named after a professor that um that

[27:21] was the first black school in downtown

[27:23] Orlando and they created the whole

[27:25] concept around that. So, they'll do

[27:26] things like that. Like, they'll come

[27:27] into Oakland and see what Oakland's all

[27:29] about and create a concept that really

[27:31] feels local to the city, to the town.

[27:34] Um, and then some of the dessert

[27:35] concepts, we'd love to get in here. You

[27:37] know, Salt and Straw, Mayday Ice Cream,

[27:40] Kelly's Ice Cream. I know they're

[27:41] already in Plant Street, but they could

[27:43] actually get a, you know, their own

[27:44] brick-andmortar location here. So, those

[27:46] are some of the brands that just to give

[27:48] you an idea of what we're trying to

[27:49] target here for this project. Thank you.

[27:52] >> Thank you. So, just a couple more slides

[27:54] and a couple more minutes. Um, I I just

[27:57] want to ground the important work in

[27:58] what we're doing today and and that is

[28:00] we talked about the PUD request, the the

[28:03] development agreement in the PSP. Of

[28:06] course, the PUD zoning designation is a what they call a negotiated zoning

[28:11] district. So it gives a real opportunity

[28:13] to work with the unique challenges and

[28:16] constraints of this site to allow the

[28:18] flexibility to make something like this

[28:20] come to life while also making sure we

[28:22] don't have knucklehead stuff going on

[28:24] here and and allow for the type of

[28:27] design that that can really see this

[28:30] thing effectuated. you know, uh, one of

[28:33] the things that that came up in the

[28:35] discussion, um, about how it's designed

[28:38] in the courtyards and the way the glass

[28:40] and canopies is, I'll show that in a few

[28:42] slides. Um, that's a real opportunity

[28:44] through this vehicle of the PUD, the

[28:47] development agreement, which will govern

[28:48] it. And so, I just like grounding the

[28:50] pictures into what we're actually doing,

[28:52] um, because it's it's important and

[28:54] allows things like this to to happen.

[28:58] Um, so this is just another view and I I

[29:01] think this says it all of of kind of a

[29:03] conclusion of what we've been selling to

[29:06] you, which is this is a landmark. This

[29:08] is a this is a welcome center of Oakland

[29:10] and this is an opportunity to provide

[29:12] some really top-notch tenants and

[29:14] architectural detail in a way that that

[29:17] Oakland again has come to be recognized

[29:19] for.

[29:22] Uh, and and this is just a visualization

[29:23] of what I outlined. uh varied heights

[29:26] projections allowing a uniqueness of

[29:28] each tenants space and the buildings

[29:30] between them and not just the outside

[29:32] pedestrian connections that we talked

[29:34] about particularly in the opportunity to

[29:36] provide some off-site improvements but

[29:39] also the the sidewalks and the bicycle

[29:42] friendly nature and just having that

[29:43] interconnectivity.

[29:46] Here's another view of the canopies and

[29:48] how that those spaces are broken up. Um

[29:51] and so we'll end on this slide that has

[29:52] some pictures. I know we threw a lot at

[29:54] you and I'm thankful for your patience

[29:56] and for being here making quorum tonight

[29:58] and we're happy to answer any follow-ups

[30:00] you have. Thank you.

[30:22] I have a question. Um,

[30:26] in one of the slides it says that it is

[30:29] pedestrian and bike friendly.

[30:32] Um, how how does it you think it's bike

[30:37] friendly? Are there certain things that

[30:39] are catered bicycle?

[30:41] >> Yes. Certainly infrastructure like the

[30:43] bike racks and things like that, but the

[30:45] wider sidewalks as well allow for more

[30:48] pedestrian access, allow the bikes to to

[30:50] safely traverse in and out of the

[30:51] sidewalk areas. And then, as you'll see

[30:54] here, this isn't just one big strip area

[30:57] that all looks the same. the fact that

[30:58] you have areas that are broken up with

[31:01] and you see some of the crosswalks and

[31:03] pedestrian safety features that allows

[31:05] for to to break up these long alleyways

[31:08] of cars uh that can get up to a certain

[31:11] speed. So all those types of things go

[31:13] into a shared space from pedestrian to

[31:16] bicycle and then of course vehicular as

[31:18] well and golf carts. Let's not forget

[31:20] the golf carts.

[31:21] >> So would there be

[31:24] wide sidewalks connecting all of the

[31:32] Yeah, I think it's hard to see on the

[31:33] site plan

[31:36] of the sidewalks, but I would assume

[31:38] they're connecting all the

[31:42] main road.

[31:42] >> Sure.

[31:48] » Um if you look at the um um the area

[31:52] Katherine Ross, right, because we know

[31:54] we're in about a half a mile, not even

[31:55] to let's say Orange Trail, right? So,

[31:57] and that's just the main bike. So,

[31:59] there's a couple of things. First of

[32:00] all, you know, if you would make it here

[32:02] to u to Catherine Ross on a bike, um we

[32:04] would provide in just about every

[32:06] amenity and courtyard, you'll have bike

[32:08] racks so you can, you know, place your

[32:09] bike. From there on, the sidewalk

[32:12] actually has con connectivity all the

[32:14] way really to the well, I wouldn't say

[32:16] to the church because you'd have to

[32:17] cross that street, but certainly to the

[32:19] far end of the property. Um, and I know

[32:21] it's hard to see on the plan, but

[32:23] everything that's kind of sort of dotted

[32:24] that's around the buildings. And if you

[32:26] start at that point in Katherine Ross,

[32:27] you can walk along building seven and

[32:29] eight and then six and four and two. Of

[32:31] course, there's be going to be a couple

[32:33] of crosswalks, but you can certainly

[32:35] walk that whole entire center. And, uh,

[32:37] those are the wider sidewalks that we're

[32:39] talking about. Um, of course, we don't

[32:41] think the traffic in the center is going

[32:43] to be, you know, insane because it's

[32:44] very well laid out and everything. And

[32:46] we thought of that because, um,

[32:48] Oakland's known for biking. So whether

[32:50] you come on a bike or on a um you know

[32:52] whether you want to leave your bike at

[32:53] building 7 or you want to ride it all

[32:55] the way to perhaps buildings one and

[32:56] three you'll have a little position

[32:58] there where you can put your bike. So I

[33:00] don't know if that answers your

[33:01] question. Yeah. Okay.

[33:05] >> Question of the renderings there

[33:08] retaining wall along.

[33:11] >> Yes. And that's a um Brent that's a

[33:14] Brent

[33:19] So, as uh Brent Lensen with Kimley Horn,

[33:21] 200 South Orange Avenue, sweet 600. Um,

[33:24] but as Taylor briefly mentioned before,

[33:26] the topography of the site's a bit

[33:28] challenging. We had some storm water

[33:29] nuances with St. John's as well. So, if

[33:32] you look at the plan, the northwest

[33:34] corner where that large dry pond is,

[33:36] it's like elevation 114 and the bottom

[33:39] right southeast is about a 97. So

[33:42] there's at least 17 feet of fall across

[33:45] the site from northwest to southeast and

[33:49] that's really happening along the state

[33:50] road 50 frontage which made it really

[33:53] difficult um from an overall master

[33:55] infrastructure grading and drainage

[33:56] standpoint. And then on top of that

[33:59] unfortunately the initial development

[34:01] that happened within that affects these

[34:03] parcels was the tractor supply and they

[34:05] built the large dry pond immediately

[34:07] adjacent to it. Several of the parcels

[34:09] included within this project are

[34:12] benefited by that storm water. The

[34:14] negative is the storm water's at the top

[34:16] of the hill. So physically getting the

[34:18] water to the dry pond is not achievable

[34:21] without raising finished floors and

[34:22] hydraulically being able to drain the

[34:24] water. Oops, I did that. I'm sorry. Um,

[34:27] so with the dry pond up there, we have

[34:30] Apakka basin for storm water recharge,

[34:33] which requires dry pre-treatment and

[34:35] infiltration before you get to a wet

[34:38] pond. Sorry for the storm water jargon,

[34:40] but all that to say based on storm

[34:43] water, it demanded the buildings being

[34:44] set at a certain elevation and what's

[34:46] being set at a certain elevation, which

[34:47] had to drain to the dry ponds first to

[34:49] get to a downstream wet, which is why

[34:52] you kind of see a cascading deal with

[34:54] that large rectangular white space as a

[34:56] dry pond. A lot of our basin goes to it.

[34:58] The basin that can't get there goes to

[35:01] that boomerang, we'll call it, around

[35:03] the wet pond. That's kind of a dry

[35:05] upstream pre-treatment which then goes

[35:07] to the lower wet pond that's at that

[35:08] bottom southeast corner. So with all

[35:11] those nuances, we have a retaining wall

[35:13] near that storm water pond along 50

[35:15] that's about 10 ft tall.

[35:18] So

[35:19] little bit of sight constraints kind of

[35:21] drove that design and that's kind of

[35:22] what you'll see within the waiver

[35:24] request. Some of the building separation

[35:26] from 50 was due to that nuance of having

[35:29] to build a wall, having the structural

[35:31] integrity of a wall and a building

[35:32] adjacency and really trying to

[35:34] centralize the focus of the development

[35:36] more internalized because of that

[35:38] elevation change off

[35:43] » that basically the retaining wall and

[35:47] then sidewalk.

[35:52] It's going to be the basically state

[35:54] road 50 turn like their travel lanes.

[35:56] You'll have a sidewalk running along 50

[35:58] that's still at road grade. Then you'll

[36:00] have an elevated wall and then there's

[36:02] going to be landscaping up above on top

[36:04] of the wall and then the building facade

[36:06] up there. I think the best picture, I

[36:08] don't know where it was in the

[36:08] presentation was the one that showed the

[36:11] pedestrian down at the street level with

[36:12] the monument sign there.

[36:15] Probably the best example.

[36:19] this going to be a like a good example

[36:21] of what the landscaping is going to look like on

[36:25] that corner that intent.

[36:31] » So obviously, you know, the the

[36:32] renderings and everything. So our

[36:33] landscape architects are going to work

[36:35] very hard and everything, but our our

[36:36] goal is to have because that's going to

[36:37] be the way we see it. It's it's

[36:39] certainly our our main entrance, right,

[36:41] from from most of the vehicles and and

[36:43] we want that to look very nice. And

[36:44] that's why we created even the the

[36:46] monument, you know, we made it a lot

[36:47] more architectural to actually integrate

[36:49] with the center rather than just be, you

[36:51] know, a little billboard looking thing.

[36:53] Um, and the intent is yes to landscape

[36:55] it as nice as possible. Is it going to

[36:56] look, you know, tit for tat like that?

[36:59] Um, you know, probably not, but it's

[37:01] going to be the same exact feel. So,

[37:03] that's really the u the intent of the um

[37:05] the renderings. And um and we want to

[37:07] make that wall, you know, as pretty as

[37:09] we can. Um, good news is that wall is

[37:12] not 10 feet everywhere, but you know,

[37:14] that's just what we had to work with.

[37:16] So, um, I don't know if that answers

[37:18] your question.

[37:20] >> So, the that the wall, the retaining

[37:23] wall.

[37:24] >> Yes, sir.

[37:24] >> Corner will be about 10 ft high.

[37:27] >> Yes, sir.

[37:29] >> The western end of the property. Does it

[37:31] go

[37:32] >> It goes lower. Yeah, that's the highest

[37:34] it ever is. So, it kind of go Sorry. It

[37:36] kind of goes both ways that way. So,

[37:38] it's not going to be as high as

[37:40] possible, but uh that's all we, you

[37:42] know, we try to make it as pretty as

[37:43] possible. You know, we have the

[37:44] buildings that are very nice, you know,

[37:45] in the elevations that we we haven't

[37:47] really skipped on anything, so we can I

[37:50] don't want to say distract from it, but,

[37:51] you know, just really make the the best

[37:53] of it.

[37:54] >> All right. So, one of the things that I just wanted to ask about was um being

[37:59] able to see back of house from all three

[38:02] roads.

[38:04] >> So, the renderings show a lot of

[38:05] architectural detail.

[38:06] >> Yes, sir. So that's going to be pretty

[38:09] >> Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah. We did that

[38:10] intentfully and and um you know, we

[38:12] wanted to offer obviously even on the uh

[38:15] the

[38:15] >> not a blank wall.

[38:16] >> Correct. Yes, sir. Yeah. Exactly. And

[38:18] you know, we'll do the best we can with

[38:19] the landscaping as well. Just we'll try

[38:21] to make it as uh as obviously as nice as

[38:24] possible. The idea was that it was

[38:25] elevated. So, um you know, it's a little

[38:28] less visible to begin with. We're going

[38:30] to add some uh landscaping, but we added

[38:32] the articulation on purpose so it's not

[38:34] a flat wall like you would see normally.

[38:36] Just to touch on that, just to expand

[38:38] upon that too, John, you know, once it

[38:41] gets through this portion of its review

[38:43] sequence and it goes to the final

[38:45] instruction, at that point, that's when

[38:47] it goes beyond just renderings. We have

[38:50] the actual architectural elevations to

[38:52] show even more detail than what you're

[38:54] seeing here to ensure that that, you

[38:56] know, the breakup of that massing does

[38:58] occur and you're not, as you say,

[39:00] looking at the back of a house or

[39:01] essentially a cinder block wall.

[39:04] Well,

[39:07] as a developer, right? We when we when

[39:10] we saw this, we were like, "This is this

[39:11] is horrible." Um because it's very

[39:13] expensive to build. This is extremely

[39:15] expensive. This isn't something that you

[39:17] would go out and buy a piece of land and

[39:19] start building walls and building

[39:21] raising land. That's crazy. Um there was

[39:24] really no way around it in order to

[39:25] develop it. But the the takeaway from it

[39:27] from our perspective is it gives a real

[39:29] intimate feel to the center. It's going

[39:31] to give a very private intimate feel

[39:34] almost like an oasis in a way because

[39:36] you're you're raising the center up and

[39:37] you're kind of buffering out 50. So from

[39:40] a perspective of being in the center I

[39:43] think it's going to make the center you

[39:44] know quite attractive to be honest with

[39:46] you.

[39:48] >> So you would have a 10ft wall at the

[39:50] highest point and then a railing on top

[39:53] of that

[39:57] » maybe like 13 14t tall. at some point

[40:05] » at the highest point which is at the far

[40:07] eastern near the storm water pond it is

[40:09] about 10 feet and that at this entrance

[40:11] is it was around seven or eight feet

[40:13] here but yeah if the the fall distance

[40:15] is more than 30 inches you need to have

[40:17] a railing on it for safety reasons yeah

[40:19] it'll have at least a 42 inch railing on

[40:21] top of that obviously we want it to look

[40:24] good we'll pick some material and color

[40:26] and product to look as good as it

[40:40] So, [clears throat] um

[40:43] I do I do like that it's going to be

[40:45] like one story, a whole complex. Um is

[40:49] that by design or is that by the land

[40:51] development code?

[40:54] Okay. So you could actually

[40:58] go up. Okay. Because I mean to have some

[41:03] of the eeries that y'all want there um

[41:08] wasn't like a second story open patio

[41:12] for some of the restaurants

[41:14] proposed.

[41:21] But is it an actual total second story?

[41:23] Just like the patio talk more about

[41:28] >> Yes.

[41:31] » We all love rooftops, but here in

[41:34] Orlando, Central Florida, it's just not

[41:36] as common yet. It's not like people

[41:38] can't think like like the consumer

[41:40] doesn't think, you know, con like

[41:42] vertically, right? So like, I'm going to

[41:44] go to a second floor. It's just, you

[41:45] know, they want to be able to park right

[41:46] in front of their space and go right

[41:48] into the business that they're going

[41:49] into. I would love to get rooftops in

[41:52] here or like a second story patio, but

[41:54] it's just not, you know, it's also very

[41:56] expensive. So, even for these

[41:57] restaurants for their buildout, like

[41:59] we're delivering, let's say, a shelf

[42:00] space, right? And then they have to do

[42:02] their buildout, they have to then

[42:03] account for vertical transportation, so

[42:06] an elevator and stairway. And it's just

[42:08] very expensive. And with construction

[42:10] costs right now, it's just not, you

[42:12] know, it's not as as possible to get

[42:14] something like that approved. Although,

[42:15] we would love to see it.

[42:22] I guess this question is for the lease.

[42:24] Um

[42:28] Oakland's name like this.

[42:30] Is that allowed to be put on any

[42:33] business like

[42:36] the Oakland Town Center?

[42:38] >> So So you going to have your own

[42:41] rendering or can they incorporate?

[42:44] They they cannot without our permission

[42:46] because it's it's actually a protected

[42:48] logo.

[42:49] >> Okay.

[42:50] >> Um but I mean what they're doing is it's showing it's not a town

[42:56] space, right? But it also serves

[43:01] so it's a private it's a private

[43:02] development. It but to me it also serves

[43:06] as an entryway into the town of Oakland,

[43:08] right? So, it's showing I appreciate

[43:11] them using Oakland Town Center because

[43:13] it's you're entering and we've been having a hard time with this

[43:18] for a long period of time. Our placem

[43:20] for for our town is when do you know

[43:23] when you're in Oakland? And to me, this

[43:25] is like perfect, right? I mean, there's

[43:28] one other little development on the on

[43:29] the um east side, but other than that,

[43:32] you're coming into Oakland. And so,

[43:34] yeah,

[43:35] >> this this shows you you're in Oakland

[43:37] now.

[43:40] And I just want to say um they've worked

[43:42] like Alex said a long time with us to to

[43:45] get to this point. So we've talked

[43:48] through it a lot of times internally

[43:50] staff um with staff to get to this point

[43:53] that they've that they've been able to

[43:56] come forward with.

[43:58] >> I like it a lot actually.

[44:03] » Um

[44:04] you talk about the administration

[44:13] Yeah. Was was is there a question in

[44:15] particular or

[44:16] >> Yeah. So the way that I understand it um

[44:19] is that the town code is 60%

[44:23] administration

[44:25] um an all public path.

[44:29] >> Is that right?

[44:30] >> Correct. Yeah. The your land development

[44:32] code. Yeah. I believe it's it's written

[44:33] that I guess I'm wondering like as I'm

[44:36] looking at it,

[44:38] the building two and the building four,

[44:41] the faces that

[44:43] are towards Highway 50, that I can

[44:46] understand because it's going to be like

[44:48] 10 feet in the air see it. Um but

[44:53] building eight and nine

[44:56] the faces that are Catherine Ross Road

[45:01] um they say 0% administration so it

[45:05] would look like a back of house but um

[45:08] to me that would be a public primary frontage

[45:14] I'm wondering like why

[45:16] >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. No it's a good

[45:18] question. So the building A for

[45:19] instance, you know, it's it it only its

[45:21] side that actually butts up to um so and

[45:24] then we do have some fenestration on

[45:25] that side. Um and as far as um you know,

[45:28] building 9, which is, you know, the one

[45:30] on Katherine Ross right up on the top

[45:32] right corner. Um there was there were

[45:36] several reasons, right? And and one of

[45:39] them was, you know, we wanted to stay

[45:40] consistent with the center. Um the

[45:42] second is you know we found that tenants

[45:45] um and also guests you know if they park

[45:47] in the back like if you look at this one

[45:49] and if the access is on both sides in

[45:51] other words it would look the same on

[45:53] both sides where we would have same type

[45:55] of fenestration on each side. um one it

[45:58] gets a little bit confusing you know um

[46:00] second the tenants you know they want to

[46:03] have a little bit of a delivery area

[46:04] right because you know they're bringing

[46:06] in whatever they're bringing so they

[46:07] might just want to keep it out of the

[46:08] site or you might have in a restaurant

[46:10] you know employees going out back and

[46:11] you know have taken a break and stuff

[46:13] like that so they kind of want to you

[46:14] know want they want to use those areas

[46:16] so as you know um to keep with the

[46:21] consistency and to make it you know um

[46:23] flow and actually it's a matter of cost

[46:24] as well you know because we we really do

[46:26] have to stay within reason. What we

[46:28] thought was a nice thing is if we did

[46:31] not provide, you know, that flat wall in

[46:32] the back. So, we actually kept the front

[46:35] and the back of the building look

[46:37] completely the same when it comes to the

[46:38] articulation. So, we're spending the

[46:40] same exact money and, you know, um we're

[46:42] going to put the landscaping buffer

[46:43] behind it and that will allow us to save

[46:47] a little bit of money, provide the

[46:48] tenants, you know, with an actual space

[46:50] that they can use. and our guests, you

[46:52] know, we believe that um they're going

[46:54] to really come in from the center um

[46:56] whether on a bike, whether you know

[46:58] they're going to turn that corner, come

[46:59] on in and they're going to access it

[47:01] probably through the parking lot. So um

[47:04] we wanted to make it as beautiful as

[47:06] possible because you know most centers

[47:09] and that's why I think the gentleman

[47:10] asked you know is it going to be a flat

[47:11] wall because that's what you normally

[47:13] see on the back of the house. So um I

[47:15] hope that answers your question. You

[47:17] know we try to stay consistent. We, you

[47:18] know, try to, you know, keep our cost in

[47:20] line as well and um but still provide

[47:24] with some, you know, provide you with

[47:25] something

[47:28] >> aesthetically

[47:28] >> does

[47:30] and understand

[47:32] >> um you have the tenants and you know the

[47:35] functionality of the space.

[47:38] Um I live on the other side of Oakland

[47:41] Avenue, so I love that we're connecting

[47:44] the 50 here. I I do wish or I I hope

[47:48] that um there's a focus for the

[47:52] pedestrian traffic on Catherine Ross

[47:56] Road

[47:58] um and how those buildings interact

[48:00] sidewalk. Well, yes, and we we do have

[48:03] and of course, you know, the the city

[48:04] sidewalk, it's a little beyond our

[48:06] control, but as far as our center uh

[48:08] walkability and pedestrian everything

[48:10] was designed to to pedestrian scale, our

[48:12] penistration or everything, you know,

[48:14] the articulation, everything everything.

[48:16] So, you know, we want you to feel good

[48:18] in there. And that's why Alex's point, I

[48:20] think we made that wall work in our

[48:22] favor because now everything faces

[48:23] inwards rather than, you know, 250. And

[48:26] as much as we love 50, it's really not

[48:27] that pretty regardless. So now you're

[48:29] going to have this walkable and that's

[48:30] why we sacrificed a lot of um uh square

[48:33] footage for open areas. You know, we we

[48:36] split up all these buildings and um and

[48:38] even to the variance that Taylor spoke

[48:40] of um up to what was it 250 ft um

[48:43] actually if you look at I don't believe

[48:44] any of our buildings are even close to

[48:46] that. I think our largest one it's 170

[48:48] because we've cut them up and we've

[48:50] added you know 17,000 square feet of u

[48:53] of green space. So

[48:56] that's uh the long and the short of it.

[49:00] >> So with the fenistration uh like

[49:04] building one, three and five, there's a

[49:06] lot of parking behind that. So it's not

[49:09] a closed book right now. There could be

[49:12] entrances to some of those buildings

[49:14] back there or there.

[49:17] Do you have to walk around?

[49:18] >> No. If you park there, you would walk uh

[49:20] well, if you look at buildings one and

[49:21] three, they have that courtyard. So

[49:23] that's specifically designed for

[49:24] pedestrian access. Um you I think it's a

[49:27] 25 or 30 foot wide courtyard and the

[49:29] same length because we wanted um guests

[49:32] when they park back there to be able to

[49:34] walk.

[49:34] >> Building five. Yeah, sure. They'll have

[49:36] to walk a little bit around it. But um

[49:39] uh yes, and even in those buildings,

[49:40] just so you'll know, although they're

[49:42] facing the dry retention, we still have

[49:43] the pretty same articulation on front

[49:47] and back. So even if you park back

[49:48] there, you're still not looking at this

[49:49] ugly flat wall.

[49:50] >> No, I didn't. Yeah,

[49:51] >> that definitely or no.

[49:55] Um, also looking at the map, um, it

[49:58] looks to me that this is at the rear of

[50:02] the school. And I don't know if this is

[50:06] on the town side or the developer side,

[50:08] but

[50:10] um I I do think there should be more

[50:15] vegetation

[50:17] because

[50:19] from the rear of the school, you would

[50:21] be you would be looking into this

[50:23] commercial area and I think it kind of

[50:25] kills like

[50:27] the courtyard of the school. Um

[50:30] >> I believe there's a road between us too.

[50:32] Perhaps you can

[50:34] >> there there's so all of the fields are

[50:37] between the school and Saddler and

[50:40] Saddler eventually will go through and

[50:43] we want to use that potentially to loop

[50:46] the cars around a bigger loop to get

[50:48] some of that traffic off of off of the

[50:51] other roads. So um you know this is kind

[50:54] of a master plan, right? Um so there

[50:57] will be probably some vegetation more on

[50:59] the school side, but we'll be working on

[51:01] that.

[51:02] makes sense. I I think I'd like to

[51:06] see like more of a visual barrier

[51:08] between the school and the commercial.

[51:14] » Yeah. And naturally, I think we'll have,

[51:16] you know, the required, you know, trees

[51:17] and everything that's per code. So,

[51:19] there will be, it's not like it's going

[51:20] to be bare, so don't picture that. um

[51:22] you know there are requirements and I

[51:23] don't know off the top of my head

[51:24] because I don't specialize in

[51:25] landscaping but you know you have to

[51:27] have trees every certain feet and you

[51:28] have to have so those obviously will be

[51:30] in place you know as part of our

[51:31] agreement and everything so it's not

[51:33] like it's going to be like a you know

[51:34] like a bowling alley or just an empty field in any stretch and that goes for the center in general you

[51:41] know what I mean as a whole not just

[51:42] that

[51:43] >> Matthew would you actually mind

[51:44] switching over to the landscape plan

[51:49] just to get a sense these are there is

[51:52] per there are particular requirements

[51:54] for um commercial for buffering of

[51:57] commercial properties and you can see um

[52:00] every circle yeah 12t wide landscape

[52:04] buffer there between that drive aisle

[52:06] and the proposed public road that's

[52:08] >> then we clustered plantings within the

[52:10] dry pond in those pockets

[52:13] is there a particular area that's

[52:16] >> um

[52:16] >> missing in your your vision on this

[52:19] >> no I just think along the north side to

[52:22] me like I would prefer like a full row

[52:27] of trees, you know, and from what I

[52:30] could tell on the agenda, it looks like

[52:32] they're taking out all of the existing

[52:34] trees. So, these would be new new plant

[52:37] new planted trees. Um, so I guess when I

[52:41] see this, I'm picturing like smaller

[52:44] trees, you know,

[52:47] >> and the tree removal is the topography

[52:50] we talked about earlier. It's just

[52:52] physically impossible to save the

[52:54] changing grade.

[52:57] I don't I don't think there'd be any

[52:59] issues with us continuing the planting

[53:01] row there. See where there's a gap

[53:02] before it gets to where the driveway

[53:04] connection is by that L104 label. I

[53:07] think we could add a few there. when we

[53:09] move towards final design, just

[53:10] obviously site visibility. There's a

[53:11] driveway entry there, but beyond that,

[53:13] not

[53:14] >> and certainly something, you know, we

[53:16] would have to during a final engineering

[53:18] review be mindful with our landscape

[53:19] architect team because there is a point

[53:21] where you saturate too many trees to

[53:23] create a row and now all of a sudden

[53:25] none of them can survive because they're

[53:26] competing for similar resources. So we

[53:29] it is something we can consider if the

[53:30] applicant group does propose a more

[53:32] robust tree line along that northern

[53:35] boundary, but it would be done in a way

[53:37] to ensure that the survival and the

[53:39] function of that area reaches its full

[53:42] potential.

[53:43] >> Like for you to consider the view from

[53:45] the school, from the playground, from

[53:47] the courtyard.

[53:49] Um I think their main parking is

[53:52] the north west of this site. So yeah, I

[53:56] think just as long as you're mindful of

[53:58] their view

[54:00] >> certainly

[54:16] just um I guess one question about the

[54:18] signage. Um

[54:21] when I was reading through it, uh having

[54:23] the two signs made total sense um

[54:26] because they're two different roads.

[54:28] You're coming in from Cir. You're coming

[54:30] in on 50.

[54:31] >> But the third one, um

[54:34] I'm not opposed to it, but we haven't

[54:36] really heard any reasoning

[54:39] why other than just is this going to

[54:41] have tenant names on it also, or is it

[54:43] just going to say Oakland Town Center 7?

[54:45] So the way we have it proposed that only

[54:47] has four tenant names and we thought you

[54:48] know if we have u some anchor tenants

[54:51] and I'm just throwing a name here like a

[54:53] let's say Trader Joe's or whatever I

[54:55] don't know something like that. Um you

[54:57] know we would offer that. Um but the

[54:59] main reason we actually put that um that

[55:01] there is is to be more like a gateway.

[55:04] it it's uh it's more of like you know

[55:07] welcome to it's like welcome to the to

[55:10] the town center to Oakland Town Center

[55:11] and also welcome to to Oakland because

[55:13] the point made earlier I think you know

[55:16] you could probably agree that that's

[55:17] going to be one of the main access

[55:19] points into Oakland once Katherine Ross

[55:21] is completed. So um it will announce our

[55:23] center but it will announce your town

[55:25] too. And you know we wanted to put

[55:26] something that you'll be proud of that

[55:28] we'll be proud of. It's not something

[55:29] that's gonna bring us a lot of,

[55:33] you know, what should I call it?

[55:36] >> Yeah.

[55:47] » Not assigned,

[55:49] >> right?

[56:04] that sign

[56:05] >> and it's going to be at a 45.

[56:07] >> That's the plan. Yeah. At about a 45 and

[56:09] it'll be, you know, set back a little

[56:10] bit from the intersection and, you know,

[56:12] that's why we wanted to be a little more

[56:13] prominent, too. So, when you drive

[56:14] there, you can see it and it's a

[56:16] reference point as to Oakland, a

[56:17] reference point to the center. Um, and

[56:19] we thought it would be a benefit, you

[56:20] know, for for for all of us.

[56:27] Well,

[56:27] >> it would sit back.

[56:28] >> Yeah, back.

[56:31] >> Yeah, it's exactly

[56:33] >> above the

[56:43] » old black line. That's where the the

[56:45] retaining wall that runs along 50. It

[56:48] turns north and then heads east to

[56:51] connect to Katherine Ross. So that keeps

[56:52] the whole site and that dry retention up

[56:54] high. But that triangularish storm water

[56:57] pond, that's really down at grade

[56:59] because that is an actual wet pond. When

[57:01] you get to that corner where Kathern

[57:02] Ross meets 50, that's all all those

[57:04] improvements in that wet pond are going

[57:05] to be down at grade.

[57:08] Yeah, basically. Yeah. So

[57:12] when you come in,

[57:14] yeah, you'll see

[57:16] as you're heading westward on 50, you'll

[57:18] see Katherine Ross intersect. You're on

[57:20] 50 at grade. You see a a pond at eye

[57:22] level, signage at eye level. Then you'll

[57:25] see the the on bordered with the

[57:26] retaining wall and the site above it.

[57:46] Anybody else have anything?

[57:52] Thank you. Thank you.

[57:59] » Do any members have any questions or

[58:01] comments?

[58:06] Is there anyone present who would like

[58:07] to speak on this item? I will close the

[58:10] floor.

[58:12] >> Do any members have any further

[58:14] comments?

[58:17] » Um I guess yeah. But this is more for

[58:20] police. Um it's So it's going to be

[58:23] Saddler Avenue.

[58:25] >> Yes. Yes.

[58:26] >> Um so is it going to stop or is it going

[58:29] to connect to Saddler Avenue? West

[58:32] Saddler.

[58:32] >> I don't think it can go all the way

[58:34] there. I think it'll stop, but it'll

[58:38] pick up on the other side then.

[58:40] >> Okay.

[58:42] >> There's no way to get them connected. I

[58:44] don't think we have property to connect

[58:46] it over there. We'll continue to look at

[58:49] it, but right now I don't think there's

[58:51] a way to

[58:51] >> I still would like to see hull

[58:53] connected.

[58:54] >> Yeah, I understand.

[58:56] >> It makes total sense for everything

[58:59] we're trying to do in that whole

[59:02] corridor.

[59:03] >> Yeah,

[59:03] >> makes total sense. But okay, I have

[59:06] nothing. I I like it. I like everything.

[59:11] >> Can I have a motion?

[59:13] I'll make a motion to accept uh

[59:16] ordinance number 2026-05, the Oakland

[59:19] Town Center resoning development

[59:21] agreement and preliminary subdivision

[59:23] plan

[59:24] uh as presented.

[59:27] >> All in favor?

[59:28] >> I.

[59:29] >> Any opposed? Motion passes.

[59:33] This meeting is adjourned at 7:30 p.m.

08-04-2026 Appearance Review Board Regular Meeting

Transcript