[0:03] Well, good evening, and welcome to your town hall having reached the hour of 6 o'clock. I hear by call to order the meeting of the Sawreader town council, and as always remind everybody that's being recorded, and you can watch it back later. Tonight's indication will be given by Ron Bishop, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance led by Cali Gilbert, a seventh-grade student at Sawreada Middle School, and she threw me off because she wore a Mustang shirt, so I said that has to be a high schooler, but she's not.

[0:32] She's a Jaguar middle school. So Ron, good evening mayor, vice mayor and town council members.

[0:41] As is our custom, let's begin tonight's meeting with the prayer. Heavenly Father,

[0:48] we thank you for bringing us together this evening to serve our community. So much of what you

[0:53] teach us focuses on service. The Torah instructs us not to harden our heart or shut our hand towards

[1:00] our poor brothers. The Quran gives us examples of feeding the hungry and assisting those

[1:05] in distress. The Gita tells us to engage in selfless service to others. The Dharma encourages

[1:13] helping all sentient beings while working towards one own enlightenment. Modern science recognizes

[1:20] the value that selfless acts provide to our own mental and physical health. Father, even modern

[1:27] science sees the wisdoms in your teachings. My favorite tale of service comes from the parable of

[1:33] the Good Samaritan. The story arrives from St. Luke's letter to someone known simply as Theophilus.

[1:41] It's about a man who is robbed and beaten on a road, but unlike a priest in a Levite who pass

[1:46] him by, a Samaritan stops to help. The Samaritan tends to the man's wounds, takes him to an inn,

[1:54] and pays the innkeeper to look after his charge, illustrating that compassion knows no bounds,

[2:00] and one should always love our neighbor as ourself. Our neighbor is any one we see,

[2:07] any one we connect with, anyone who is part of our life no matter how small a part that may be,

[2:14] a selfless act of service betrayed in a simple story. Father, tonight let us remember the

[2:21] of the good Samaritan as we deliberate the future of our community. We thank you for all the

[2:26] blessings you've bestowed upon us. May all beings be well. May all beings be happy. May all

[2:34] beings be free from suffering. In all your names we pray. Amen.

[2:45] I pledge allegiance to the flag

[2:47] of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God

[2:55] but indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

[2:59] Thank you, thanks for being here.

[3:05] Tell all your classmates it's painless, and if we ever need any others, just recommend it, okay?

[3:11] Thanks.

[3:14] Mr. Clerk, may I have a roll call please.

[3:17] Council Member Brick-Gillespie, here, Council Member Liske, here.

[3:20] Council Member Lido, here.

[3:22] Council Member Morales, here.

[3:24] Council Member Priolo, here.

[3:26] Vice Mayor Egbert, here.

[3:28] Mayor Murphy, here.

[3:29] We have a forum.

[3:30] Thank you.

[3:31] Next, I have two proclamations. One I'll do an abbreviated one and the other one. I'll have Anna. Do you see Anna here?

[3:41] Anna and Nathan and there's our Latvia here. Anybody connected to that community?

[4:13] Whereas a change is constant and affects all cities, towns, suburbs, counties, boroughs, townships, rural areas and other places.

[4:22] and whereas planners can help navigate the change with data-driven insights and expertise

[4:28] that provide better choices for how people work and live, and whereas community planning

[4:33] provides an opportunity for all of its residents meaningful, meaningful involvement in making

[4:39] choices that determine the future of our community, and whereas the full benefits of planning

[4:43] require elected and appointed officials who understand support and demand excellence in

[4:49] planning and plan implementation, whereas the American Planning Association has endorsed

[4:54] National Community Planning Month as an opportunity to highlight how planning is essential

[5:00] to every community, and how planners are uniquely positioned to identify solutions for community's

[5:06] most difficult housing transportation and land use questions. And whereas the recognition of

[5:13] community planning month highlights the work done by planners in the town of Saarida over the

[5:19] last year in conducting extensive public outreach that ensures the public's hopes, values,

[5:25] and vision for our future are accurately reflected in the once a decade update to the town's

[5:32] long-range general plan. And whereas the celebration of national community planning month

[5:36] gives us the opportunity to publicly recognize the participation and dedication of appointed

[5:42] planning commission members who have contributed their time and expertise to the improvement of

[5:47] the town of Salarita. And whereas we recognize the many valuable contributions made by the

[5:52] professional community and regional planners of the town of Salarita and extend our heartfelt

[5:57] thanks for the continued commitment to public service by these professionals. Now therefore

[6:03] it be resolved that I, Tom Murphy, the mayor of the town of Salarita, on behalf of the town

[6:07] council to hereby proclaim the month of October community planning month. In testimony,

[6:12] I have here on to set my hand and caused to be affixed the seal of the town of

[6:17] Salarita on this 13th day of October 2025. Thank you and congratulations.

[6:23] We could have a hand.

[6:47] My staff is in here tonight. It's not because I didn't offer

[6:50] them the opportunity to step into the spotlight but it's because my staff

[6:54] prefers to do their work quietly. There they are a little shy and don't really like

[7:00] being in the spotlight. And I think that's emblematic of who planners are in general.

[7:04] They're people who want to make a difference, who don't care about who get the credit

[7:09] for a job well done. All of us in our department have come to our professions through a diversity

[7:13] of professional and educational pass. We'll all share that in common, that we are committed

[7:18] to making a difference in our community. And I would be laks not to acknowledge

[7:23] that this is doubly true for the citizen planners who serve on our boards and commissions.

[7:27] They are volunteers. They don't get paid. We did pay them once with a chicken palm, but that's hardly

[7:33] reflective of the work they do for us.

[7:36] They dedicate their personal time, energy, and focus on advancing a shared vision for our community.

[7:42] I'm grateful for the planners in my life, my boss, my staff, the volunteers who give of themselves

[7:47] that shape our communities because they know that our communities in turn shape us.

[7:53] One final note, we are in the middle of a 60-day common period on our once-a-decade general

[7:59] plan update.

[8:00] So please spread the word, planners can only do what we do when citizens like you are

[8:06] engaged.

[8:07] Thank you.

[8:14] He's a foodie, so if he did the chicken par, I know it was good, so that's depending.

[8:21] And next is November 1st, as the extra mile day, declaring November 1st, 2025 is extra mile

[8:27] day encouraging our citizens to wholeheartedly commit to their individual ambitions, family

[8:33] friends, and community that go the extra mile and their personal effort, volunteerism,

[8:38] and service. This was the second time year that this was requested. And when I think of

[8:43] going the extra mile, I think of my colleagues, I think of staff, I think of our community

[8:48] that every day works to go the extra mile. So I just was proud and thankful that we could

[8:54] be named an extra mile, day, city, and town, in the country.

[8:59] Thank you.

[9:24] Next we come to call to the public.

[9:27] Call the public is now open.

[9:28] Individuals may speak for three minutes.

[9:30] Folks, emergency persons 10.

[9:33] The council cannot discuss matters, not on the agenda.

[9:36] However, at the end of the call to the public, council members

[9:38] may respond to criticism, request after review the issue,

[9:42] or add the topic to a future agenda.

[9:43] and I have one, Rick Carrotto?

[9:47] Oh, if you have another one, just submit it to Mark,

[9:51] the call to the public card.

[9:54] Yeah, come on.

[10:03] Good evening.

[10:03] We'll mail Murphy, Rick Carrotto.

[10:06] It's distinguished members of the town council, town staff.

[10:10] I'm always, I have a guy that always seems to have a wealth of questions,

[10:13] and I drive my wife crazy.

[10:16] I thought I could come and share some of that wealth with you this evening.

[10:19] So, one question I asked myself is why did I move to Saudi Arabia?

[10:24] Was it the clean air?

[10:26] Was it the plentiful abundance of water?

[10:29] Was it the beautiful topography that surrounds us?

[10:32] Then I think how often we forget.

[10:34] I wonder how often a court ruling regarding an inappropriate air quality application by

[10:39] the Copperwell Monting Project to the ADEQ be suddenly declared valid.

[10:44] But I think about how long does an aquifer last draining 2 to 4 billion gallons of water

[10:50] from it per year without regulation or intent on a reclamation or replacement?

[10:55] I ask myself what is the impact of the ecosystem when we allow the landscape to be decimated

[11:01] by extensive digging, explosives, and corrosive acids to reclaim copper ore?

[11:07] I have to ask myself how long does air quality remain acceptable for young and old?

[11:12] especially those with respiratory disease. I ask, how do we forget our history with the Vulcan

[11:18] Materials Research Data? I ask about EPA data, which revealed two micron particular

[11:24] matter that this mine will produce, that travels approximately 100 miles. I ask about poisonous

[11:31] tailings being exposed to air by trucks traveling through our community to directly go past our children's

[11:37] schools. Or how about seepage into groundwater due to the lack of proper monitoring or containment.

[11:44] I wonder why the town changes garbage companies in part to reduce the amount of heavy trucks

[11:48] that traverse our roads. Yet, no one considers 80,000 pound trucks loaded with rocks, talons,

[11:54] explosives, and caustic gossips that will pass along saw reader road through the middle of

[11:59] town to get to the freeway 24-7365.

[12:03] I have to assume that we forget our history. I have to assume that prior we're just just forgotten.

[12:10] I have to assume that the council will sit idly back and allow the Copperworld Monument Project to proceed unabated.

[12:17] And almost most unfortunately I have to assume that sometimes we forget our constituents and the people who we serve

[12:24] and protect in the name of progress and I ask progress for whom.

[12:29] This compromise will compromise the safety and quality of life in this community, Mark my words.

[12:34] It is your responsibility to come up with solutions for your jurisdiction.

[12:38] You need to get busy passing ordinances to restrict weight limit, restrict hours of passage,

[12:43] and assist upon appropriate monitoring of air, water, and land.

[12:48] You could be well advised to team up with the City of Tucson with regard to the massive water usage.

[12:53] They are vehemently against the amount of water that will be used.

[12:58] doing nothing is to be complicit and my final question this evening is to ask why.

[13:03] Why did I move to Sarita? If this is a place where no one seems to remember and

[13:09] no one seems to care. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for being here. Susette,

[13:14] for sure.

[13:20] Good evening. Thank you. It's my first time speaking. That's okay.

[13:24] I should have mentioned the green light comes on and that's when the three-minute

[13:28] that starts, but you don't have to touch anything.

[13:30] It's done for you.

[13:31] Then when the yellow light comes on, you have a minute,

[13:34] and then when the red light comes on,

[13:35] I'm over.

[13:36] You get parachuted out through the ceiling.

[13:40] Well, again, my name is Suzette Rocher.

[13:43] I'm a resident of Salureida for one year.

[13:48] And also an artist in your hallway.

[13:51] And I really appreciate living here.

[13:54] I do have an issue that I would like you, the Samaritans,

[13:58] as the beginning of the meeting brought forth is that you take in consideration that there are people.

[14:09] I live in a very small, I live in a 55-plus community.

[14:14] I have no room and I have no walls on the side of my unit and I have no back wall to mine.

[14:24] I am completely open. In my community I will be fined and I could, my landlord could be given a reason that I'm not a good tenant.

[14:37] And it's because of the recycling bin. I know it may seem like a small thing, but I have no room.

[14:45] absolutely no room and I would really appreciate if you could take

[14:48] in consideration I'm not the only one. I'm just the only one here tonight that

[14:55] came here but there are lots of us

[15:00] That have such small areas, and some have walls, which they can hide the recycling bin behind. And that would be great. And if I did, I wouldn't be here. I'd be at home with my cats. But I don't. And it will subject me to a lot of pain. And I mean, I could be kicked out of my place because it would give the landlord a reason that I'm not a good tenant, which I am a, well,

[15:28] Well, I am a good tenant.

[15:32] I don't make any problems.

[15:33] I'm very quiet.

[15:35] I did hear the presentation many, many months ago

[15:39] when the change was going to happen.

[15:43] And I accepted it.

[15:46] I had that company.

[15:47] I had waste management for nine years, never a problem.

[15:51] I may be the only one, but I never had an issue with them

[15:55] in four different places I lived.

[15:58] and then I had to give them up and that was okay I didn't have recycling been there it's not

[16:05] that I don't want to recycle I'm one of one person and I don't and I don't have a lot of garbage

[16:15] and whatever I do recycle I do recycle but I do it on my own and so I would just like the

[16:23] of the council to take that in consideration

[16:27] and to please help us because we're in trouble.

[16:33] And I just really don't want to move

[16:35] and I don't want to do anything that's not acceptable.

[16:40] So if you have a minute, a little while,

[16:42] we actually have an update on that

[16:45] a little bit later on the agenda.

[16:46] So if you have a look,

[16:47] it's not a very long meeting tonight.

[16:49] So if you can stick around for a little while.

[16:51] I got my red note.

[16:52] No, you're okay.

[16:52] Okay. Okay. Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much. I put the pair of shoes for you.

[16:55] I appreciate it. Thank you very much.

[16:59] I had no other speaker cards, so we'll move to brief

[17:04] Council and town manager summary of current events.

[17:07] Mr. Mayor, before this. Yes.

[17:09] Can we have, give her the, just because you can't stay, can we get her the contact information

[17:15] to talk to somebody in the waste collection here?

[17:18] Well, Nalo and Daniel are out there.

[17:21] So wave your hand so she knows those guys back there. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I just wanted to make sure

[17:29] Thank you. Appreciate it

[17:32] Council member Lidle any updates?

[17:35] Oh no I'm nothing right now. Debbie? Him? Yes?

[17:41] Please proceed. I want to thank the please department. I went to national night out. I thought it was really great. I'm just disappointed it wasn't a bigger turnout

[17:49] out, but it was really very, very good, and then glad I attended.

[17:55] I also attended with the mayor, and I know you didn't talk about this, is the Central

[18:00] Arizona Project Water User Stakeholder Meeting, and that was beautiful, where the setting

[18:07] was.

[18:08] I learned at Arizona, Sedora, Desert Museum, and that was very good and very informational.

[18:14] and then comes Mama Morales and I had our second

[18:17] our coffee with comfort.

[18:19] So we're planning another one.

[18:20] We're sort of changing locations.

[18:22] So we had a couple of people that showed up

[18:25] we were at Lapisadas at this time.

[18:27] We're sort of aiming for November,

[18:29] Friday, November 21st at Rancho.

[18:32] So please, everyone's inviting you

[18:34] not to live in those areas, but we'd love to hear from you.

[18:37] And it's a great way to also talk to us and be with us.

[18:40] That's just questions.

[18:41] Thank you.

[18:42] Thank you.

[18:43] Council

[18:48] member Lido, yourself and myself. We were at the annual SAWA conference, and it was excellent.

[18:58] I know your voices are heard, and we are studying the water issue, and we are attending the conferences, and asking the questions.

[19:10] and there is concern about our aquifer and we are going to meetings and listening and

[19:17] asking and inquiring and being exposed to lots of wonderful presentations that, you know,

[19:25] knowledge is power and new information shapes, new avenues of inquiry and also answers questions.

[19:32] So your voice is heard.

[19:35] Thank you, Dr. Lesby.

[19:38] On Friday, I was happy to attend the Center Read of Fire District's Pancake Breakfast.

[19:44] It was great.

[19:45] There were tons of pancakes, and it was just a lot of fun.

[19:50] It's a great service, and the fire district does for the community, so happy to attend.

[19:55] Very pleased to attend.

[19:57] Thanks.

[19:58] Vice mayor.

[19:59] I appreciate that.

[20:00] Moving.

[20:02] Yes.

[20:03] Right.

[20:04] Absolutely.

[20:05] And I hope you got your fill of pancakes, Dr. Gillespie.

[20:08] there. They always were abundant. Parking is always fun because there's so many

[20:13] people that want to attend, but that's always interesting. And just to reiterate,

[20:18] you know, back-to-back, C-A-P, and then the Sawa presentations on water also

[20:24] attended the Sawa Rita Rotary Murder Mystery Dinner, which was really well

[20:28] attended. So we raised probably a little, approaching $3,000, and the scouts served

[20:36] at it. So the monies are going to be used for supporting the scouts. Some's going to

[20:43] the Celarita band, which is the only band in Arizona that will be represented at the

[20:51] 250th celebration in D.C. and July, as well as a kinder reading program that one of the

[20:57] members wrote a book, Grandpa Gardiner, about planning a seed and having it germinate.

[21:02] So that was, that was a really wonderful event as well.

[21:07] And fortunately, I wasn't able to attend the breakfast.

[21:09] I had to be somewhere else.

[21:10] And I wasn't able to attend the national night out,

[21:12] which I think was the first time I missed that one

[21:14] because I had to be somewhere else as well.

[21:16] But I'm glad we had nice representation

[21:18] for my colleagues at those events.

[21:21] And Shane, I know you're not on for the big presentation,

[21:24] but if there's anything that you'd like to touch on.

[21:29] Thank you, Mayor and members of the council.

[21:30] I think I will turn some time over to Beth.

[21:32] We have an introduction for you,

[21:34] and then I'll take just a few minutes by way of.

[21:35] Great.

[21:36] Thank you.

[21:44] They actually lances on a surprise,

[21:46] because I got to sit with him before he was actually a Luke,

[21:49] sorry, at a event that I was able to attend with him.

[21:54] Well, Mr. Mayor and Council,

[21:55] it might not be a surprise for you,

[21:56] but it's a surprise for Luke.

[21:58] We're introducing him to you tonight.

[22:00] He thought he was just going to attend quietly,

[22:02] but this is Luke Smith.

[22:04] He is our new management analyst,

[22:06] and that you'll get to know him better.

[22:08] He'll be doing the legislative presentations to you

[22:12] on a monthly basis that you've kind of gotten used to.

[22:15] He'll also be working with our new legislative ambassador

[22:19] and you'll probably be seeing him at more events as well.

[22:22] So if you see Luke, he's with us.

[22:25] He's okay.

[22:26] Now the first requirement is you have to present

[22:28] for at least 30 minutes right now.

[22:30] Oh, sure.

[22:31] Very cool.

[22:32] I'm just writing quotes.

[22:33] Right.

[22:34] The French is a bright quote.

[22:35] Right.

[22:36] Now, you don't have to speak that long, but you're time will come when you get to free

[22:44] fuss and we'll get to ask questions.

[22:45] Okay.

[22:46] So welcome to the team.

[22:47] Thank you.

[22:48] Thanks.

[22:48] Thank you, Beth.

[22:52] Thank you, Beth.

[22:52] Thank you, Luke.

[22:54] Yeah, so quickly, I just wanted you as a council to know that your staff is continuing to

[23:01] to have productive discussions with the zoo representatives to advance that by way of

[23:10] a pre-annxation development agreement. Drafts are going back and forth. And as long as

[23:16] the conversations continue, we see progress. So I'm pleased to make that report to you.

[23:22] We are targeting your December meeting to have that pre-annxation development agreement in

[23:26] front of you. So that's actually, it's going to be right around the corner for us to stay

[23:30] to and we're excited about that.

[23:33] We're also continuing dialogues with Asarco on annexations to the north.

[23:40] And so those conversations continue.

[23:43] So again, anytime you're at the table having conversation and dialogue, it's progress.

[23:50] Wanted just to remind you, we have your regularly scheduled counseling in November 10th, but then

[23:55] And we have a special work, a full day retreat on the strategic plan that's scheduled for

[24:03] November 24th, and that's an all day retreat, and it's really geared up to help us as staff

[24:09] in the implementation process for priority-based budgeting.

[24:13] So again, mark your calendars, and if you can be there, really need your voices at the table

[24:20] to help us work through that strategic plan update.

[24:24] Yep.

[24:24] Thank you.

[24:24] That's all I have. Thank you. Appreciate it. As Shane mentioned, November 10th Monday is our next regularly scheduled meeting. We move to item number eight, which is our consented agenda. I want to take an emotion at this time.

[24:37] I'll motion.

[24:39] We have a motion in a second. All those in favor. Signify by aye.

[24:42] Hi. Hi. Hi. Any opposed? Motion carries. Mr. Clerk, item number 9a please.

[24:51] Discussion and possible action regarding wire to telecommunication license and right away use agreement with Ripple Fiber Arizona LLC.

[25:00] Thank you and not only did Ron do our invocation, he's also our chief technologist and will present this item and welcome representatives from Ripple Fiber Arizona LLC who will be presenting

[25:12] in person and potentially virtually but good evening Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, Town Council members, thank you for your time. Once again, with me is Noel Delala.

[25:25] She's the Director of Government Affairs for Ripple Fiber and they are proposing to build here in the town and expand fiber services. So with that, I'll hand it off to Noel.

[25:37] And you came a long ways and we appreciate that.

[25:40] Yes.

[25:41] A few of us got to meet you at the League of Cities and Towns.

[25:43] Yes.

[25:44] Thank you for coming.

[25:44] Happy to be here in front of you guys.

[25:46] Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you tonight.

[25:49] For Ripple Fiber, we are Fiber Internet Service Provider

[25:52] looking at a project here in the town of Saarida.

[25:55] We are America's brightest and fastest Internet provider.

[25:59] That's why our color is so vibrant.

[26:02] We're here to make ripples and celebrate others

[26:04] who do the same where for connected communities.

[26:06] And we want to be part of the communities that we enter into and support you guys throughout the life of the project.

[26:12] We're here to stay in all like some of the other companies will come in and build out a construction project in Leave Town.

[26:18] We want to be here and part of the community for the long term.

[26:22] Some of the benefits of fiber for liability being one because it's made of glass.

[26:26] It's going to be less susceptible to environmental degradation and an impact or outages from the elements.

[26:33] It has faster speeds, lighting fast to be exact.

[26:36] It actually travels at the speed of light.

[26:39] It's scalable as our technology on the back end advances.

[26:42] So we don't have to go back in and lay new fiber lines.

[26:45] We can just upgrade things on the back end.

[26:47] And then we also offer symmetrical speeds,

[26:49] unlike traditional cables as well.

[26:52] We call it future proof because we have the capacity

[26:54] to grow with the demand as we're ever increasing

[26:58] in this digital age.

[26:59] And AI is only going to get bigger.

[27:00] and there's going to be more needs for data, increased data capacity, fiber has that capability.

[27:08] Fiber also helps support smart homes, multiple connected devices in a home,

[27:15] telemedicine, remote work, distance learning, and streaming. It also shows studies have shown

[27:21] that it can help increase home values, and here's some additional economic benefits

[27:25] that studies have showed. So in addition to increasing home values, it also has been shown to,

[27:33] is that okay. It's been shown to increase average income as well by $1,450 in one year and

[27:44] also creates new jobs in the community as well. These are some of the packages that we offer. So we

[27:51] We have a half gig for $65 a month.

[27:54] We have a one and two gig for $85 and $95 a month.

[27:59] And that was one and two gigs.

[28:00] We offer price for life.

[28:01] So that's not going to increase on you.

[28:04] And you'll see that with them.

[28:09] You'll get an introductory rate.

[28:10] And then they'll like the prices with us.

[28:12] You get price for life with no hidden fees.

[28:14] And this includes connection and installation as well.

[28:17] How are you able, just with inflation and things like that,

[28:20] how are you able to lock in something a price for life?

[28:24] We've just built it into our business model,

[28:26] so that's something that's important to our founders

[28:29] and to kind of circle back a little bit

[28:31] to our founders, they are from overseas.

[28:34] So they're from South Africa,

[28:36] they have extensive experience building out fiber networks overseas

[28:40] and then it was during the COVID pandemic that they looked

[28:43] to the US and saw that we were still behind compared

[28:46] to a lot of other countries even in our needs

[28:49] for fiber and the access. We learned that during COVID, we learned from home, work from home.

[28:55] Absolutely. We always talk about water, sewer and roads, but now...

[29:00] Yeah, and you have multiple people, somebody, but working from home, somebody's doing

[29:04] remote learning, somebody's streaming or gaming, and we really saw kind of the bottleneck

[29:11] of some of the existing technology. So that's when they decided to move to the US, started up in

[29:19] work very excited to be coming to Saudi as well. We have, you know, a history of happy customers.

[29:27] Part of the reason for that is because of our community engagement and our commitment to the

[29:32] communities that we go into. So we really want to invest in the community, be part of the community,

[29:37] and work with you guys on, you know, sponsoring events and community outreach. And we, you know,

[29:44] join the Chamber. We've already been working with the Chamber of Commerce here. And just like we

[29:48] We read the state of the town, yes, so that's something that's very important to Ripple

[29:53] Fiverr.

[29:55] H-O-A engagement is also something that's important to us.

[29:58] We have a team of community development.

[30:00] Members and community liaison that will work closely with the HOA's and do events and will bring out coffee trucks and cone ice trucks and have the opportunity for that Q&A.

[30:12] A high level overview of our construction process. So once we kind of get through the engineering and permitting phase, then we will start calling and locates, our teams will call and locate. So they're going to go on mark the ground of areas that are coming up on construction. Then our teams will go out, start building, and then we'll have a restoration team that comes in behind them to restore.

[30:31] or just restore the area and then followed by that

[30:34] is customer installation.

[30:37] Here's an example of what that kind of looks like.

[30:40] There'll be a little access points

[30:42] about every other home or so

[30:43] so that when customers call the technician just comes out

[30:46] and they can connect each customer.

[30:49] Would that be using micro-trenching along the roadways

[30:51] or do you use a different technology?

[30:53] So we are what we've designed for Saudi Arabia

[30:56] is boring primarily.

[30:57] So we would not be utilizing micro-trenching.

[30:59] Okay.

[31:00] Okay.

[31:02] There might be some aerial deployment areas as well, which we would overlash on the

[31:06] existing.

[31:06] Well, within a residential road, how would boring look, is it with a sidewalk or with a curb

[31:14] with a-

[31:15] So it would be in the softscape, so in the right of way, so in that first few feet of right

[31:22] of way, we would be boring in that softscape.

[31:24] Okay.

[31:24] That's usually where there's no irrigation for, because you have road, curb, buffer, side

[31:31] and then you hit the residential irrigation and such, right?

[31:35] Yeah, so in that event, we also, something that we offer,

[31:39] and I saw one of the next slides, but we offer black flags

[31:42] for residents so that they can mark any type of irrigation lines,

[31:46] any electrical fences that may be in the right of way.

[31:49] They can go ahead and mark those so our crews can be mindful,

[31:51] but we do have a dedicated team to, if they call them the green team,

[31:55] and I think on the next slide, they are a dedicated team

[31:59] of landscape professionals and they will make sure that everyone's right of way or their

[32:04] yard has been restored to as good as conditions we found it or better.

[32:07] So whether it be, you know, matching sod or plants or if restoring it, yeah, exactly.

[32:14] So we have this team that comes in behind that's something that I think we do differently

[32:18] than some other companies.

[32:22] For residents, if they have any questions or concerns, we have a pretty advanced online

[32:26] ticketing system and those queries can be directed to us and they'll be turned around

[32:31] to our local team to respond.

[32:34] Here's an example of some of the types of communications that go out.

[32:38] So pre-construction, we want to make sure that residents are adequately notified of what we're

[32:43] doing in the area.

[32:44] So we will send out letters to the homes and we'll follow that up with postcard mailers and

[32:49] then we'll have a team a couple days ahead of construction go out and play store hangers

[32:53] some people's stores so that if they have any questions or concerns they can direct

[32:57] that to us.

[32:58] Obviously you guys have our information as well so if anything bubbles up to the administration

[33:04] you know how to contact us but it's our goal to minimize that as much as possible by making

[33:09] sure that residents have been adequately notified on the front end.

[33:13] We also will work with you know it's sponsoring various community events and HOA events to

[33:19] make sure that the word gets out about who we are and what we're doing in the neighborhood

[33:22] overhead as well, then our crews will have construction cards that they can hand to residents

[33:26] if they have any questions and direct them to our local team.

[33:32] And then once we have construction completed, then our marketing and sales team will sort

[33:37] of start their efforts, their kickoff efforts for that, and that will be post cards, you

[33:43] know, additional events, and then met ads as well.

[33:48] Here's kind of an overview of our footprint ripple fiber in the US, so we have Arizona on there.

[33:55] What's the difference between the yellow and the blue light blue and dark blue?

[33:59] Great question. So recently, we were excited to announce that we merged with our sister company, hyper fibers.

[34:06] So the blue areas are the states that are still currently operating under the hyper fiber brand,

[34:11] even though we have merged this one company under ripple fiber.

[34:13] The dark blue is the light blue, so the dark blue are not states that we've built it.

[34:22] So and then everything green is ripple fiber brand and eventually those blue states will

[34:27] transition to the ripple fiber brand but yeah for now they're still hyper.

[34:32] And that is all I have.

[34:33] So if there's any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

[34:36] Thanks.

[34:38] Timeline, a couple of questions.

[34:40] one timeline and then also how do you determine I'm assuming master plan

[34:45] communities would probably be first or sort of top of list because that's a

[34:49] lot of penetration and then you have the rural areas so when do you think

[34:54] construction will be starting maybe about when it will be finished and then how do

[34:58] you determine because you can't do the whole town all at once but how do you

[35:01] determine where you start and kind of cascade down. No no no that was not the

[35:05] We'll take it.

[35:07] No, that would cut you about 50% and a half,

[35:10] but it's not about me.

[35:12] They were asking.

[35:14] Yeah, so a lot of that depends on our engineering team.

[35:18] So once we have our agreement approved,

[35:21] then we would start permitting.

[35:23] And so once those permits have been approved,

[35:24] then we'd start scheduling construction.

[35:27] And we usually kind of work in sectors of the city at one time.

[35:30] So not all over the city or the town at one.

[35:33] so we'd be in one area and then we kind of move on to the next and we'd

[35:36] notify folks as we go and we'd love to you know partner with the town if

[35:40] there's any additional means of notification whether it's newsletters or

[35:44] other avenues you guys might have available just anything we can do to get

[35:48] word out about where we're we're gonna be at next but yes to your point out the

[35:52] HOAs we will we have a separate division that works with making sure we've

[35:56] gotten all of our right of entry agreements with the HOAs and then anything

[36:00] that's in town on right away, we'd be working with the town to permit those areas.

[36:04] Right, and when you merged, was that a combination of some people from Hyper and then some from

[36:09] Ripple, because obviously there's duplication in a lot of these positions, how did that go so far for you?

[36:16] Yeah, so it's been going well. Ripple fiber pretty much absorbed Hyper fiber.

[36:22] And I think our initial introduction into Arizona was under the Hyper fiber brand.

[36:26] but we've since transitioned that over to Ripple so we've you know merged team

[36:31] members and yeah so we're looking forward to working with you guys as Ripple

[36:36] Fiber going forward and then as far as timeline and you brought that up as

[36:40] well our typical timeline for construction is about two years so once we start

[36:44] construction to when we were done is that's our ideal kind of a role obviously that

[36:49] can change just based on different factors but yeah but as you construct can

[36:54] and those communities be brought online and utilize it

[36:57] or do you have to have the whole town

[37:00] taken care of before you go back?

[37:01] Yes, no, that's a great question.

[37:03] So, no, we do not have to have a complete town built out

[37:07] before we can connect customers,

[37:09] part of something that our engineers do is,

[37:11] they engineer it so that we can connect as you go.

[37:14] So as we're building out,

[37:15] those customers are getting connected.

[37:17] We don't want them to have to wait until,

[37:19] you know, we don't know if it helps financially,

[37:21] you don't want to put.

[37:21] Absolutely.

[37:22] Wait for years and make nothing off of it.

[37:25] Well, and it's kind of helps, it's construction could be a little bit disruptive on the front end,

[37:29] but it helps when you're getting faster service, you know, available quickly.

[37:33] So, yeah.

[37:34] Thanks.

[37:35] Questions to my left, any other questions?

[37:38] Yes, will you be covering the entire town?

[37:42] So I think we're covering a very large portion of the town.

[37:45] I know there's some other fiber companies that are maybe working with you guys as well.

[37:52] It's not in Ripple's business mall to over build anybody else, so we don't want to be coming in behind somebody else

[37:58] It's just dug up someone's yard. So we'll usually pivot and kind of you know try to they they bob we weave

[38:05] So the fastest ones get the worms, so to speak

[38:13] Do you have a good relationship working with the other companies as far as coordination where they're going and you're going?

[38:20] Yeah, so our team is very well versed in a lot of and all the markets that we're in as far as being very aware and

[38:27] coordinating as far as whereas other competitors are and you know

[38:31] we have people doing right out so we have them constantly monitoring kind of the existing landscape so we again

[38:37] We don't want to be just too disruptive to the community and you know come right behind somebody who's just their

[38:43] Guards just been restored and now here's another person coming so that's something that we as a fiber we don't intend to do

[38:49] Okay, thanks. Any questions from Ed?

[38:53] Yes. There's a lot of talk between fiber and copper.

[39:00] Can you explain the differences in the speed, for instance?

[39:05] And in maintenance, a copper breaks and splits and has to get surprised to

[39:10] may take three or four days a time, depending on the size of the cable.

[39:13] So how would the fiber sensitize glass and light, how would that compare?

[39:23] Yeah, so that's a very good question, very technical question.

[39:28] But as best as I can answer that question, so we can install the fiber very quickly.

[39:35] It's, you know, once the conduits in the ground, our technician is able to blow the fiber through there.

[39:39] and it happens all very, very quickly.

[39:41] It's not a, you know, several days delay.

[39:44] So once that boring has taken place,

[39:46] our crews are coming in and out very quickly

[39:48] into the neighborhood.

[39:49] So it's going to minimize disruption,

[39:51] as far as the speeds.

[39:52] Yes, fiber has a capacity.

[39:54] It's, you know, like I said, we have two gigs,

[39:57] but we have the capacity to go way beyond that,

[40:00] just as technology advances on the back end,

[40:03] which cable is definitely.

[40:04] Rob, did you want to touch on upload and download

[40:06] Well, and how those differ.

[40:09] Councilman, I don't have the numbers off the top of my head,

[40:13] but Copper has been around forever in a day.

[40:16] Yeah, and it's not nearly as fast as Fiber.

[40:21] If I remember correctly.

[40:23] How about 18 and a half to one?

[40:25] It could be, yeah.

[40:30] Copper, I'm going to say three gigs,

[40:33] and that's not even per second, and that's probably

[40:36] not even right, whereas fiber is just, yeah, can go light speed comparatively, yeah.

[40:43] And so you get, and you, yeah, actually it won't go on and on.

[40:46] Oh, no.

[40:47] Because I could.

[40:49] It's sort of like the auto-bond against the rural road probably, right?

[40:53] Yeah, and it's, you know, they're both very reliable.

[40:57] And yeah, copper's been around for a reason.

[41:01] but yeah, fiber is the way to go for high transition.

[41:06] And there is a bottleneck too, so if you've ever noticed with cable,

[41:09] you know, maybe there's certain times where your internet is slower

[41:12] than others, it's because there's more people on the network.

[41:15] With fiber, you have a dedicated line to your home

[41:17] and so that's not going to, you're not going to get the same delay.

[41:21] Nice.

[41:22] Thank you.

[41:23] Any other questions?

[41:24] Yep.

[41:25] You're very well.

[41:27] We'll get your addresses.

[41:28] Yeah.

[41:29] I'll collect them, make sure they're on earth.

[41:31] For the public, I'm teasing.

[41:34] They'll go where they need to go and when they want to go there.

[41:37] I'll understand emotion at this time.

[41:38] Anybody?

[41:39] Mayor?

[41:39] Yes.

[41:40] I've moved to approve the Warrantel Communications License and right away use agreement with

[41:46] Ripple Fiber.

[41:47] Second.

[41:48] They have a motion in a second.

[41:50] Any other discussion?

[41:51] All those in favor?

[41:52] Signify by eye?

[41:54] Aye.

[41:54] Any opposed?

[41:56] Welcome and congratulations.

[41:58] Thank you.

[41:58] You're being at the state of the town.

[42:00] Thank you.

[42:00] Happy to be here.

[42:03] Mr. Clerk, item 9B, please.

[42:06] Solid waste program rollout update.

[42:09] Thank you.

[42:10] Daniel Logan, our deputy public works director,

[42:13] will present this item.

[42:14] And he's probably sick of me texting him and emailing him

[42:18] all hours of the day.

[42:19] I saw a green can out there, so he's been very not today.

[42:23] Not today, because you're doing such a great job.

[42:26] Welcome.

[42:28] OK.

[42:29] Okay, good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council, TMO.

[42:36] Tonight I would like to say before you with a new subject, but I am not.

[42:41] I think we're going on our eighth night, I've lost count, as long as I've been here.

[42:48] But tonight I am very, very happy to share with you how far we've come.

[42:53] Since my first day here, January 27th, the day that you voted this ordinance into town

[43:01] policy, I've been at work on this thing, had an amazing team working with me.

[43:06] I asked that I could come before you tonight to share with you what we accomplished in

[43:11] the last eight, nine months.

[43:16] So first, like I said, two very important things happened in my life on January 27th.

[43:23] This was voted into policy, right?

[43:25] The ordinance was put into policy for a

[43:28] solid way soul source provider,

[43:30] and that was my first day at work here.

[43:33] The community outreach, we began the very next day, right?

[43:38] I think it was 11 o'clock at night when you guys voted this

[43:41] thing in and said, okay, go forth and figure this thing out.

[43:45] So we got some direction from you guys that was outreach,

[43:50] outreach, outreach, letter community,

[43:51] We know what's going on, going on, bring them with you.

[43:55] We had the cart delivery, cart removals, and then of course the start of services all

[44:01] set forth for September 1st.

[44:07] So one thing we wanted to do is increase the awareness of the new program and the benefits.

[44:11] It was a robust community communication plan.

[44:15] That started, like I said, right after we walked out after that vote.

[44:20] So, Haley went to work, I met Haley, and then we went to work.

[44:25] If anybody has not seen this turn off the autopay, if you haven't seen this in the town

[44:30] of Saudi Arabia by now, I'm not doing my job.

[44:34] I believe that everybody has seen this at least one time.

[44:37] We went to work at the newspaper, we visited the HOAs, we did personal appearances, shook

[44:43] hands, we did the radio, we did the internet, we did our website, we did the HOA websites.

[44:49] We did everything we possibly could.

[44:52] I had neighbors talking to neighbors.

[44:54] We're doing phone calls.

[44:56] I'm not even sure at this point how many residents I've met.

[45:00] We're going to talk to you, but we've been trying to get out there as much as possible. Digital methods, like I said, the FAQs were built, the Facebook, Haley, just on top of responding back to residents as fast as we could. It wasn't nearly fast enough for the residents, and we understand that there was only a few of us, but we're doing the best we could to get back to everybody. And I think overall we got the message out to our public.

[45:28] So there was some clear steps that we wanted to develop in this communication plan.

[45:34] You know, Haley said you have three instructions per postcard.

[45:38] We're going to send out three postcards, go through them, tell them what you need them to hear.

[45:43] And of course, it turned off the autopage, just became our mantra for this thing.

[45:46] It's coming, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming, turn off that autopay.

[45:50] You know, cancel your current service, became the next step,

[45:53] and then return the cards is what our goal was set out to be.

[45:57] In the middle of all of this, I've never experienced this before, and I don't think anybody

[46:03] has, but Council and you were able to pivot as residents were speaking, which I took

[46:11] to heart and I thought that was amazing.

[46:13] That's just for me to you.

[46:15] The support that we received, the team received saying, hey, yet we get it.

[46:19] You guys are working on this massive thing.

[46:21] We're going to support you.

[46:22] The TMO's office was absolutely fantastic, door always open, letting me know what's going

[46:28] on, the mayor telling me constantly there's carts out there, you know, where they were,

[46:33] we're head hunting these things.

[46:35] But really, I wanted to take a minute just to share with you guys the shared been agreements,

[46:40] the reduced cart sizes, the provision for the large properties that you guys had made and

[46:48] and even to consider that, never seen anywhere,

[46:51] and I think it merits being set out loud publicly

[46:54] that no council anywhere has ever made these

[46:57] concessions before they've never even considered it.

[46:59] To me, I found that to be amazing

[47:01] and was just reinforcement that I'm doing

[47:03] the right thing with the right people.

[47:05] So thank you very much for your support in that.

[47:08] As we work through this, you'll see,

[47:10] and as you heard in the call to the public,

[47:12] there's still some things to work on.

[47:14] And this is what I've been communicating with the public,

[47:16] but I'll get into that a little bit later

[47:18] when we wrap this thing up.

[47:19] I'm trying to make it as quick as possible.

[47:22] We have to 11, that's OK.

[47:24] I'm not taking to 11.

[47:25] I was amazed you moved through the agenda this quick.

[47:29] Yeah, so August 11th to the 29th.

[47:33] These were the dates that I was absolutely terrified of all

[47:38] year-long, not looking forward to,

[47:40] but at the same time looking very forward to.

[47:43] Our goals were to deliver one trash cart, one recycle

[47:47] Michael Kart to every home in the town of Saudi Arabia, huge, huge undertaking.

[47:54] This normally on this scale would have been a three-month exercise.

[47:58] We were able to complete this in three weeks.

[48:02] Yeah, it was very, I had to call in and circle the wagons on this one.

[48:07] When we first looked at it, we did a Pima County parcel search and

[48:13] we looked at every residential parcel.

[48:15] We never had, we didn't have a database here, we had to build that as we, as we went through

[48:20] this process, what an undertaking. So what we saw was 15,716 homes or parcels rather.

[48:28] We didn't know if those were commercial, we didn't know if there was a foundation on them,

[48:33] we didn't know if there was a mailbox, we didn't know anything about them,

[48:36] we just knew that there was 15,716 parcels within the town of Saudi Arabia,

[48:42] and then we had to figure that out.

[48:44] Well, we come to find out after we did our estimates

[48:47] and everything else, we ordered our carts,

[48:50] got to pick the carts, the carts are beautiful,

[48:52] by the way, I love them.

[48:54] There was actually 12,392 occupied homes within the town

[48:59] and that left us with 24,784 carts delivered

[49:04] and that's what we did.

[49:06] Currently there is 24th, well, I picked up to yesterday, right?

[49:11] So, the two cars. So, 24,782 carts are out there in the town currently today as we sit here.

[49:20] But our estimates were very close and very odd. The team was amazing.

[49:25] We were estimating at first with the 15,000 homes. We knew that we were wrong.

[49:29] We knew that there were some development, did some estimates, did some judgments.

[49:33] So, we don't want to go over 30,000 carts. We ended up with just about 26,000 carts that we actually ordered

[49:40] and are on ground total. So we did hit our little buffer there. We do have carts in the 65s that

[49:48] are available for those residents that wanted them. So we were able to, I don't know, grace of

[49:54] God, brought it down and helped guide us making every decision right and some luck and some power

[50:01] behind us. So pretty happy about that. Cart removals, as we know, we're still, I put the September 30th

[50:10] It says the date that this is done, but that's not true.

[50:14] We know that cart removals, one season, two seasons are gonna happen over the next year.

[50:19] We still have residents that have them up next to the house.

[50:21] Maybe they're away, we're still collecting those.

[50:24] But I can tell you with our full time employee with Hector on board, since he's come on board,

[50:31] the second half of his first day with us, he had taken out about two dozen carts that day.

[50:38] He has been working for the last few weeks.

[50:41] Today it was two and a half.

[50:43] Oh, there's Hector right there.

[50:45] That was his second day, I believe, at work.

[50:49] Those were the carts that he got just that morning.

[50:52] So he's been amazing.

[50:54] So one thing that we didn't know is we were,

[50:58] we were told by Waste Management,

[51:00] Republic Services, Waste Connections.

[51:02] We have X amount of customers in town.

[51:05] So we estimated about 13,000 carts.

[51:09] Our numbers, if you remember, the discussions were about 12,000 just north of 12,000, so we

[51:14] said, we'll pull the buffer and we'll be plenty good.

[51:17] We estimated 13,000.

[51:20] What we found, it was actually 18,000 plus carts in town.

[51:25] So it was a much bigger job than what we had estimated.

[51:30] Luckily, things still worked out.

[51:32] We had no idea that we had 18,000 carts out there.

[51:36] Our partners, you know, I asked them to stay for two extra days.

[51:40] Go back through the town and collect them up.

[51:42] They did a huge effort there.

[51:43] We had some hiccups with past providers as they were exiting.

[51:47] They had missed some routes, maybe, or overlooked some things or whatever.

[51:52] For whatever reason, we had a lot of carts still out there.

[51:56] I estimated about 200 carts that were still full of trash sitting out in front of resident's homes.

[52:03] So we had to go to work on that one. We came up with a couple of options and then we're working

[52:10] through there. I asked for patients. I asked for patients of you. I asked for patients of Shane.

[52:16] I asked the patients from the residents and you gave me that grace and that patience and I appreciate

[52:21] that because of that, we were able to work through that.

[52:24] We then started taking away loaded carts,

[52:27] which if you look at Hector, that's the trailer

[52:30] we were using, and you can't stack loaded carts.

[52:34] We were taking them out of there,

[52:35] probably half a dozen at a time, but we got through it.

[52:39] And so the majority of those are gone, you know,

[52:42] and I estimate right now from what we've seen,

[52:46] we drive through the neighborhoods daily,

[52:48] even on the weekends, we take a look

[52:50] And I would estimate that there's a couple dozen left.

[52:54] So for us to have pulled out that many carts in the short amount of time,

[52:59] like I said, removal of carts we know is it could be a year before we're done

[53:04] seeing all the blue carts, but we're not seeing them anywhere near what they were,

[53:10] a month ago. So fantastic effort, huge amount of energy expended on that.

[53:16] We're in a great place. We're in a great place.

[53:18] everybody is pretty impressed. They couldn't believe that we could pull that many

[53:22] carts out that quickly without something like waste management coming in and

[53:27] doing it. Oh, and I'll just throw this little caveat. Council agreed to let

[53:33] me do this for the residents. I do not know of that ever happening before

[53:38] anywhere just so you know that was one other thing that's never existed before.

[53:43] Nobody would even consider it before. They'd say it's your problem, not our

[53:46] problem, go forth and do whatever it is that you're going to do. You guys didn't do that.

[53:51] So thank you for that.

[53:53] So. Oh yeah. Physically not driving that truck. No, no, you are not. So September 1st, the

[54:03] day that we were all dreading and looking forward to for months and months and months. The goal

[54:11] Well here was to service all of the talent of Salarita residents with one trash can and one

[54:17] recycle cart once a week on that same day consolidated.

[54:21] We thought, well, the big problem here is going to be switching days.

[54:25] It's going to be letting them know, it's going to be, you know, getting them on the program

[54:30] that you now don't go on a Tuesday and a Thursday.

[54:33] You now go on a Monday or, you know, you did go on a Monday and now you're on Thursday.

[54:38] a huge undertaking. We usually see something in the, like, I mean, 25% missed pickups on,

[54:49] you know, your first service week because people don't get that message that did not

[54:53] happen here. Our first day was a holiday and we still had probably maybe a dozen calls

[55:03] for missed pickup because they didn't realize that the holiday we were still

[55:08] servicing. I accept that all day long. We were set up for that. We had most

[55:14] most carts were serviced still that same day. They were out there late that day if

[55:18] not they were picked up the next day. We got through that very quickly. All of this

[55:24] again due to Haley getting that community getting that community word out

[55:31] and getting that out. Hey, we are servicing on the first. We're servicing. Here's your zone.

[55:36] Here's this GIS building. Christine building the has everybody seen the service. What's your service

[55:44] day? The GIS live map. Type in your address. It comes up. You can click on the little dot. It was one

[55:51] of the things I threw a fit about. I was like, I want to be able to select the dot and have your address

[55:58] and they pulled it off. They gave it to us. So it's a wonderful map. I've seen close to them.

[56:07] I've never seen anything a product that good. So job well done on that. Just a little bit of

[56:15] outweighs connections for what they pulled off. So in the contract we agreed to average age of the

[56:22] They serve a solowace truck being no more than the average age of their whole fleet being no more than seven years old.

[56:29] We know the life of a truck, it starts to leak, it starts to fall apart, it starts squishing stuff out, it's disgusting.

[56:37] They look disgusting, they stink.

[56:40] So here's what waste connections did, they bought four brand new trucks and they had two trucks that were already brand new.

[56:48] And they said, all six of these trucks are going to South Rita.

[56:53] And they're going to be dedicated trucks to South Rita.

[56:55] They are currently servicing us with eight trucks.

[56:59] They decided that six wasn't enough.

[57:01] They upped out to eight.

[57:04] And what I did was some actual real research

[57:06] because I wanted to know what the age was.

[57:08] I knew those four new trucks were going to throw off the curve,

[57:12] but I wanted to know exactly the oldest truck that we got was six months old.

[57:17] And that means our fleet is younger than one year old.

[57:22] Our average age is about four and a half months, which is why I put under one year, I wanted

[57:28] to verify that.

[57:29] They told me that.

[57:30] I've seen the trucks, but I wanted to make sure.

[57:33] But I thought that was, I thought that Meredith being set out loud, that they've exceeded

[57:39] our expectations thus far, and I'm really happy that we picked them as a partner.

[57:43] So,

[57:47] next step, no contact list is where we're at today and I wanted to share this with you.

[57:55] The no contact list, as you can read there, is approximately 1600 homes.

[58:01] 1600 homes that we don't have contact with, meaning they haven't reached out to us, haven't set up an account.

[58:07] Now, before anybody panics, let me just let you know that on a scale and a program this size,

[58:13] we were anticipating to be at about 4,000 homes right now.

[58:19] At 1,600 we're still doing great.

[58:21] That means our community's involved and we are reaching them.

[58:25] These last 1,600 homes could be anything from their vacant.

[58:31] They're seasonal, they're unaware for somehow.

[58:35] I don't know how you can be unaware, but it's possible, I guess.

[58:38] It's been months since I had a phone call that said I wasn't aware of this going on.

[58:43] honestly or they might in some way be unreachable. So that's what we're

[58:48] figuring out now. The call to them if they can hear my voice or if they're

[58:54] watching this or anything else or nobody or you know your neighbor is not

[58:58] responding. They just need to register that account of waste connections and then

[59:02] we can figure out what their account status needs to be whether it needs to be

[59:05] a hold, whether it needs to be a vacancy, whatever it needs to be we will work

[59:11] through that. So that's my ask of the community at this point. You know, what are we going

[59:17] to do about that? Here's our next steps. And I wanted to take just a minute to hover

[59:23] over this for a little bit. We're focusing the communication to those 1600 homes. There's

[59:29] kind of a two-step method on this. There is the, now that we're a month, two months into

[59:36] service, a month and a half, technically, we'll be at two months by the time we're actually

[59:40] doing this active outreach is, you know, I was asked recently, do we want to send a

[59:46] mailer out to them and tell them, hey, you know what, you've had the service, you've had the

[59:51] carts, now we're going to, you know, look at fees and fines, absolutely not. That's not our intent,

[59:56] that's not your intent, that's not my direction.

[1:00:00] I think the first thing that we do in my recommendation at this point is to go out and actually do the door hangers. So we kept away from the door hangers as we discussed a year ago because there was a sensitivity to what if people are out of town. We didn't want to, you know, do that. So what we're going to do is we're actually going to go out on those service days. I have this master list of these homes that we don't have contact with today.

[1:00:28] We're going to go out on their service days, and if we see the carts out, we know they're home.

[1:00:33] We know, you know, they just need some help communicating with us.

[1:00:36] So we're going to hang on the carts.

[1:00:38] Hey, give us a call.

[1:00:40] If we don't see the carts out and they're not being serviced, then they're probably unreachable vacant homes, something like that.

[1:00:45] We knock on the door when we try to track down.

[1:00:47] That's going to take, you know, a little bit more investigation.

[1:00:51] Then after we do that, then we'll send out a mailer again.

[1:00:54] But I think we've, I think we've mailed out to these homes at least three, four.

[1:01:00] I believe we're on our fifth one right now that just probably went out about a two weeks ago.

[1:01:06] So I think that was the fifth mailer.

[1:01:08] So I think mailers at this point for the 1600 aren't going to work.

[1:01:11] So this is going to take, this is where we wanted to be, where we're actually walking through the neighborhoods,

[1:01:16] knocking on doors and talking to the residents and trying to find some resolution there.

[1:01:21] Okay, so I just wanted to hover over that one and kind of pinpoint before just putting up no contact list and not giving any reference to that.

[1:01:31] Next stuff that we're working on here and I'm hearing you guys, I'm hearing the residents and here's some of the concerns, here's some of the thoughts, the ideas that they're asking me about right now, which is development and amendment of the Solid Waste Policy.

[1:01:52] There's a couple of things. I think there's a couple of members up on the board if all of you don't know.

[1:01:58] You know, then we'll probably have more talks about that. I have some ideas.

[1:02:05] A lot to Susette's question. You know, we have spoke on the phone. I've talked to her.

[1:02:11] So I understand her concern with the recycle carts. I think that's a good conversation.

[1:02:18] I think we're early into that conversation, but we can have it.

[1:02:23] I'm ready to have that conversation with you guys with the TMO.

[1:02:27] You know, we'll talk about that.

[1:02:30] You know, see, I think I have some good options.

[1:02:34] I know what direct, I think, I know what I want to recommend.

[1:02:38] Ultimately, I'll be up to you.

[1:02:40] The Recycle Program outreach and education, of course, has always been partnered with what we're doing.

[1:02:45] we want to get max participation, we want to get diversion so that in seven years when we go back

[1:02:51] or six years when we go back and renegotiate this contract, we still get good rates. You know,

[1:02:56] getting that, we should be getting reports from last month to see how we did in the first month,

[1:03:04] tonnage reports for our recycle, what kind of commodities are they bringing out of here,

[1:03:08] how much contamination that kind of thing. Haven't seen those reports yet, but when I do,

[1:03:12] they will get to you guys as quickly as possible to that point part of the

[1:03:18] reason that we wanted to have the recycle combo was because from filling up

[1:03:25] the cells you know the landfill cells the more we can recycle the longer we

[1:03:31] can keep those cells from filling up right which is there there's a big cost

[1:03:36] for getting new cells and a new landfill on board and you just touch on the reason

[1:03:43] that is so important even if you don't recycle a lot to have any recycling part of that.

[1:03:49] Love to keep me watch the time Shane okay.

[1:03:54] This is one I would throw in things that mean out of you.

[1:03:57] No no I would go on and on and on into every detail.

[1:04:00] This is his passions.

[1:04:02] Yes so I have to take a breath.

[1:04:05] So, it's all about diversion, I'll make it as clear high level as I can, it's about keeping

[1:04:12] stuff out of the landfill, just like what you said.

[1:04:14] Landfill is built on the premise of they're selling airspace.

[1:04:18] We're buying that airspace, we're buying it at a cost, and our stuff is going in there,

[1:04:24] and it's sitting there for 100 years to be broken down.

[1:04:27] Anything that we don't put in there, we're not having to pay them for that.

[1:04:31] Now there's an option for those commodities, you know, your ones and two's plastics,

[1:04:37] fives and saddens, we're still working on, but ones and two's plastics highly desirable,

[1:04:41] your tins, your aluminum, you know, paper, cardboard, those things, don't take up a lot of,

[1:04:49] they're not very dense, but they do take up a lot of space. They do have some mass to them.

[1:04:56] So keeping them out of the landfill and getting those commodities back into the commercial

[1:05:01] stream or product stream, there might be some return on that.

[1:05:06] You know, it's not going to be enough to pay for the program, but if you think about

[1:05:10] it and kind of a too prong, you have, we're not paying for them to go to the landfill and

[1:05:15] die and degrade.

[1:05:17] And we're getting a little bit of a return back on them on top of that, even if it's minuscule

[1:05:23] amount, plus they're not taking up that airspace. So we're not paying for them here. We are getting

[1:05:29] a little bit back here. It's all about diversion. We want them to go this way and not this way,

[1:05:35] because this way is a one stop, right? If we can just real quick, I mean bottom line, bottom line is

[1:05:42] that if we're able to extend the life of a landfill, we're able to have better control over the cost of

[1:05:51] of doing service, which ultimately translates

[1:05:54] to the pocketbook of our residents.

[1:05:57] And so, you know, if we can defer

[1:06:00] divert stuff from the landfill to the recycling, the murf,

[1:06:04] then we're in a better position to obviously be

[1:06:08] better stewards of our environment,

[1:06:11] but hold the cost down of providing

[1:06:13] a solid waste service to the community.

[1:06:15] That's why I wanted to pause on that, but thank you.

[1:06:17] Thank you.

[1:06:18] The cost of creating a new landfill is, I mean,

[1:06:22] astronomical.

[1:06:23] Astronomical.

[1:06:24] So much so that the last landfill that we were doing,

[1:06:28] we were excavating a cell and they actually decided to cut

[1:06:30] the project in half.

[1:06:31] We were talking a $22 million project.

[1:06:34] It's quite the undertaking.

[1:06:37] Yeah, so we want to take care of our landfills and we want to keep

[1:06:41] our stuff out of there as much as possible.

[1:06:43] Divert, thank you Shane.

[1:06:44] I would have kept going.

[1:06:45] You know, so did that answer your question, Mr. Wasteland?

[1:06:50] Cool.

[1:06:51] Then the Household Hazardous Waste Program.

[1:06:56] So I did get some good news today on, well, I'll wait till the next one.

[1:07:03] So the Household Hazardous Waste, your oils, your batteries, your some e-waste, your TVs,

[1:07:11] these, that kind of thing that's coming out of your cleaners, your paints, your solvents,

[1:07:16] your adhesive, all of that needs to go somewhere too.

[1:07:19] We don't want it to go to landfill because if it's going to landfill, there's a possibility

[1:07:24] for that to be leaking into our water table.

[1:07:27] A lot of people overlook that.

[1:07:29] Everything goes in the trash.

[1:07:30] Well, not everything goes in the trash.

[1:07:31] There is some things that we don't want in there.

[1:07:35] We don't currently have a program for that.

[1:07:37] We do have a collection that happens once a year.

[1:07:40] I'm getting to know that program, trying to see what that turns into and what other things

[1:07:46] they're available for us to add to our program to make it broader and take care of these

[1:07:52] issues that people have these concerns like, you know, cooking oil.

[1:07:57] Cooking oil is a big one.

[1:07:59] You don't want it going down your drain.

[1:08:01] We don't want it at the landfill.

[1:08:02] We don't want it in the trucks.

[1:08:04] What do we do with it?

[1:08:05] Great question.

[1:08:06] So I got to figure those out.

[1:08:08] So, that's the kind of things that we're looking into to broaden what our program is.

[1:08:13] And starting with the trash and the recycle, this is where we start and then we just keep

[1:08:17] adding tiers to it.

[1:08:20] And trying to keep those costs down, you know, adding those services and getting good

[1:08:25] value for what we're doing.

[1:08:26] The possibility of a glass program and the reason why I put on there is a possibility is because

[1:08:32] I don't know if it's viable or not yet.

[1:08:34] Like I've asked for patients. We're gonna go through this. We're gonna look at this thing

[1:08:38] There's some things that have to be in the right order. I can tell you this. This is the news

[1:08:43] I got today that was excited about is this is disclosed from a resident. There's spies everywhere and it's absolutely wonderful

[1:08:52] reached out to waste management got confirmation from them that the

[1:08:57] The transfer station here on La Kinyada, I don't know if you're aware of this, they have

[1:09:04] direction from waste management who is currently under contract with Pima County running this

[1:09:10] transfer station.

[1:09:11] They will not, cannot turn away glass collection.

[1:09:15] I was not aware of that until about an hour ago.

[1:09:18] When I read that email, I was elated.

[1:09:21] I have been trying to track it down and confirm they would not tell me whether they do or they

[1:09:26] don't, and we're not sure. Got it confirmed today from waste management that they do not

[1:09:33] will not turn away glass collection at the La Kenyatta yard. This is great news for

[1:09:38] us. That's my most asked question now. For sure. Why not glass? Yeah. Why not glass

[1:09:44] for our program? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Why not glass recycle period for our program?

[1:09:49] Sure, sir. So glass, it just, it doesn't work in a mixed-stream system. Sorting it out, glass is at its base element in silica and you'll have to keep me in check on this one too because I'll go on for hours.

[1:10:03] But it's silica, it's dirt, it's sand, right? So glass goes in with the other recycle material, it breaks, and then it's contaminant.

[1:10:13] Now all of a sudden we have this in the machinery, we have people sorting this stuff out and getting cut and it's dense, it's heavy, it's very inefficient.

[1:10:24] Every time we touch a commodity in the recycle stream, it adds a cost to it.

[1:10:30] We're just driving up the cost of trying to resell dirt to a manufacturer, a bottling company, and ship it to them.

[1:10:37] It's very inefficient to ship dirt, it's very expensive to ship dirt, so it becomes an offset.

[1:10:45] Can it work?

[1:10:46] It can work if we're willing to pay for it.

[1:10:49] One of the dynamics to a glass program is single-string.

[1:10:55] Whether that means we have communal pickups for them, we strategically station those around

[1:11:01] the town and we make them free people go and put them there, well, they're still a cost.

[1:11:06] We still have to pick it up. We have to have it hauled off. We have to have it taken somewhere so that's why I'm asking for patients on that if we ever get to that point as a town.

[1:11:15] I need to figure out where that commodity is going and to get it to the right place so does that answer your question?

[1:11:23] Is there any like I know card board at the food bank that that's an actual someone of a revenue generator?

[1:11:29] Is there any market for glass once it's collected and brought somewhere is it?

[1:11:34] Yeah, market, yes. The dynamics, again, glass becomes tricky because you're selling dirt back

[1:11:41] to a bottle company, right? So that's what we're looking for. So the shortest hall, the most

[1:11:45] direct, the most efficient way we can haul it to that bottling company is where we want to be.

[1:11:51] So that's where it doesn't work so much with cardboard. Carboard is far lighter. It's not as dense.

[1:11:58] Carboard is a much easier to break down. Glass has a higher return rate. You know,

[1:12:04] one percent in the processing, whereas cardboard is you know far less you get back but it degrades

[1:12:10] and it becomes the cheap paper towel or whatever, but it's much cheaper to sort. It's much cheaper

[1:12:15] to transport that way. It doesn't add that cost as quickly. So there's some dynamics working against

[1:12:21] this with glass, but that doesn't mean they're insurmountable. It just means we need to figure them out and do it

[1:12:25] the right way. Okay, thanks.

[1:12:30] And now we get to the questions and comments. I don't know if I...

[1:12:35] Well, yeah, maybe I can piggyback off of us who's that's question because I know in some of the HOAs

[1:12:42] If memory serves me correctly, there are some requirements that cans have to be shielded and things from the road

[1:12:50] Have we had conversations?

[1:12:52] I mean, you know, can we

[1:12:54] Can they make it with with their CC and ours?

[1:12:58] Can they have that policy in place that overrides our policy that says no?

[1:13:02] you have to have a recycle for the reasons that you touched on, have we had those conversations

[1:13:07] with those HOAs or talk to John about, you know, if they have a CCNR policy and they

[1:13:15] don't, and the homeowner doesn't have a way, you know, to shield it, you know, because

[1:13:19] some have wing walls, others don't, if you could just touch on that a little bit.

[1:13:23] Yeah, sure.

[1:13:24] Thank you.

[1:13:25] No, we haven't had those conversations yet.

[1:13:27] But I have not gotten to the point where I've approached HOAs, nor have HOAs approached

[1:13:33] me.

[1:13:33] It's not because I'm staying away.

[1:13:35] It's just that I'm hopeful that by the time we get to that point where we have to have

[1:13:42] a permanent solution, I think it becomes a moot point.

[1:13:45] My suggestion is a little different, but again, that merits a conversation.

[1:13:51] You know, I've seen the validity to it.

[1:13:53] If you remember back in January, the consideration of, I'll relate this to like the 65-pound

[1:14:02] cart.

[1:14:03] I said that's crazy, it's absolutely, why would you do that, it makes no sense.

[1:14:09] Then I went out to the community and I visited these homes with the smaller garages, the limited

[1:14:14] spaces, given the demographics of our community and our residents, it made sense.

[1:14:23] It made sense to undertake something that big.

[1:14:26] Why would you double your assets?

[1:14:27] Why would you track twice as many?

[1:14:29] Why would you do, because there was a value there.

[1:14:31] And the value offset the cost and the time.

[1:14:35] I do believe that there is a value here too.

[1:14:38] I think there's an opportunity would love to discuss it.

[1:14:42] So I don't want to go too far ahead.

[1:14:45] Because I may, yeah, I don't want to be

[1:14:47] in the principal office.

[1:14:47] Obviously if I did that, right?

[1:14:49] What's that?

[1:14:49] Yeah, yeah.

[1:14:50] Yeah, so I haven't gotten that far yet because to my knowledge, you know, one has come across me.

[1:15:00] To my emails that is a warning to a resident from the HOA, once, and that just happened, I believe

[1:15:08] it was on Saturday, that a resident shared with me that they got a warning from the HOA.

[1:15:13] That's the first one. So we haven't crossed that bridge yet. So yes, the door is opened

[1:15:19] for those conversations. It is about time to have some conversations like that.

[1:15:23] Yeah, thanks.

[1:15:24] Yeah.

[1:15:25] Any other questions?

[1:15:25] Mayor and council, can I just help frame this just a little bit.

[1:15:30] This is a great opportunity for the council.

[1:15:32] If you're hearing of unique situations out there that likely could result in policy discussion,

[1:15:40] bring those things up because it's good for us to know what you're hearing, what you're

[1:15:45] getting hit without in the public.

[1:15:49] This is a new program for the town where partnered with a very experienced partner so it's not like we don't know what we're doing, but our solution is going to be unique for our community.

[1:16:02] We have some goals in mind. We want to divert trash from the landfill to keep costs down that benefits everybody. In order to do that, we made a policy decision to require recycling.

[1:16:15] that makes sense and you know when you consider policies it's difficult

[1:16:20] because you might have somebody who's actually very very responsible and when

[1:16:24] they say hey they're going to take their recycling to the recycling bin

[1:16:28] themselves they're going to do that if they say listen we don't need solid waste

[1:16:34] can because I just throw it in my trailer and I've been doing it for years and I'm

[1:16:38] responsible I'm not out dumping in the desert right they're doing that but your

[1:16:43] policy can't consider that because that person can leave that residence, can

[1:16:48] sell it, and then the new person come in. They're not responsible. So you have

[1:16:53] to think broadly as a as a as a council in terms of what these policies really

[1:16:57] mean. It can't be there's the dilly clause and this is the Logan clause. And

[1:17:02] this you know, it just doesn't work that way. And so if you're getting hit with

[1:17:07] these unique situations, they kind of these twisters, how do we manage this?

[1:17:12] Let's bring those issues up so that we can take note of it as staff and then we can try to bring back

[1:17:19] some policy

[1:17:21] discussion and resolution

[1:17:23] Because this thing can morph. We're making these policies and and we can we can cater it to meet our needs as a community

[1:17:31] I guess what I'm saying. So this is a good opportunity for that. Yeah. No. Thanks Shane on that and I literally just had my neighbor yesterday

[1:17:37] They come over and we were just talking about other things and he's very, very pleased.

[1:17:42] You know, I had...

[1:17:43] And the house I was going to buy?

[1:17:44] No.

[1:17:44] The other side.

[1:17:45] Okay.

[1:17:47] And, you know, we had, well, minimum six trucks a week because we had the three majors, you

[1:17:52] know, both days different for recycle and waste.

[1:17:55] Then we had new ones pop up occasionally, so I think the most I had in a week was eight

[1:18:00] different trucks that came through our neighborhood, but definitely they always had six.

[1:18:04] So, and combining them on the same day, people love that because there's one day, and the rest of the days are quiet.

[1:18:12] Probably, at this point, my most asked question is the glass, you know, because I grew up in New England, and you had to put deposits down, you know, on glass, the Coca-Cola bottles, and everything up to, I don't know, I left it was probably 15 cents each one.

[1:18:29] So that's the reason I'm so old, that's right, and actually that was the real dirt

[1:18:35] that we actually turned into glass.

[1:18:39] So the glass is definitely one that probably is worth a continual conversation on how

[1:18:44] we can mitigate that.

[1:18:46] I know I've usually gone at the new year to the joint recycling effort that we have out

[1:18:52] here, and it's gallons and gallons of cooking oil and TVs and computers and all of that.

[1:19:00] So the hazard waste, not to get dumped as often as possible, so maybe it's more events.

[1:19:08] But those are the two biggies, is the hazardous waste because people have, you know, they move

[1:19:12] in, they buy five gallons of paint, they use four and five gallon jog left, you know, those

[1:19:19] types of things.

[1:19:20] I don't know if it's more of a conversation with a transfer station, you know, to get a better understanding of what they can do for us because when I've used it in the past, you have to drive in and then your way your car truck full, right?

[1:19:36] And then you drive through and then they way it on the way out and that's when they charge you the differential. It's been a long time.

[1:19:42] But if you're bringing over on a weekly basis, you know, three pounds of glass, you know,

[1:19:49] how do they take that and charge you for it when you're not driving it out of your

[1:19:55] phone.

[1:19:55] I don't know that they are.

[1:19:57] I still have, like I said, I just got that word today and it did come on a letterhead from

[1:20:03] a director at Waste Management.

[1:20:05] So I believe it's factual.

[1:20:07] I haven't seen it yet, but I'm going to go over there and check that out.

[1:20:11] I don't believe it's at cost because this is through Pima County and there is a responsibility

[1:20:16] there for household hazardous waste as well.

[1:20:19] I don't yet know.

[1:20:21] I know what the legality is and that they have to do that at least once a year, but I'm

[1:20:26] going to find out what they are offering over there and it's been a little tough to get

[1:20:32] over there.

[1:20:33] And I know we had a policy on an acre lot or more, was it two and a half, two and a half with

[1:20:38] the contingency of the commercial agreement and if you're at one in three quarters and you're

[1:20:44] way down the road and they're not you know so those are kind of one-offs that I've you know heard

[1:20:49] about but those are mostly the hazard waste and the glasses you know most ask questions to kind

[1:20:54] of keep in mind as you're developing these policies. Yeah the glass the hazardous household hazardous waste

[1:21:00] those are the programs if you will the one-offs and tailor making it to our residents with where they're

[1:21:08] located how their service how their service works and how it fits into this

[1:21:12] ordinance that's that's the policy that's the town policy that I'll be bringing

[1:21:16] back to you guys that's what the like I said I don't want to bring it out too

[1:21:20] far and you know throw something out at at all of you I don't know what my

[1:21:24] restrictions there are but be talking to Shane about that and then having those

[1:21:29] conversations and then you'll know well in advance when I'm when I'm bringing that

[1:21:32] to you and what I'm suggesting we will have those conversations to maximize

[1:21:36] It's my time tonight.

[1:21:38] We won't be able to really talk about solutions as much.

[1:21:42] But if you're hearing of unique, hey, what about this?

[1:21:45] I'm hearing this.

[1:21:46] That would be awesome to bring up so that we can kind

[1:21:48] of generate whatever you have or heard.

[1:21:51] Please bring it up tonight.

[1:21:52] And then also, obviously, everybody has Daniel's email address.

[1:21:56] So as things develop, please get them off to them.

[1:21:59] Got some memories.

[1:22:01] So I have to.

[1:22:03] One of them was brought to my attention.

[1:22:05] Do we have dull trucks where they do recycle and trash?

[1:22:10] No.

[1:22:11] Because somebody mentioned that they saw the truck put recycle

[1:22:15] and trash in the same truck.

[1:22:17] So I did mention to them these trucks have cameras.

[1:22:20] They do?

[1:22:21] Yes.

[1:22:21] They do, and there's no split bodies.

[1:22:24] If you see the same truck picking up a trash and recycle cart,

[1:22:29] unless that, let's just say, in the very hypothetical,

[1:22:34] because typically the recycle trucks follow the trash trucks they come later.

[1:22:38] It's not always. They do criss-cross over.

[1:22:41] In the instance where a recycle truck maybe came through, today I saw a trash can

[1:22:46] that was open and it had styrofoam in it.

[1:22:50] That's contaminant.

[1:22:52] They're not going to dump that in a recycle truck.

[1:22:55] They might have deemed it and I'm just saying hypothetically I don't really know

[1:22:59] but I'm just saying this is how I ran operations.

[1:23:01] If it was deemed as contaminated, I would have let the trash truck operator know if he

[1:23:07] has come behind me.

[1:23:08] That could have happened.

[1:23:09] I'm not saying it did.

[1:23:10] But if you do see that, really, all I need, and this goes out to residents at large, a

[1:23:16] video or a picture of the license plate of the truck, tell me where they are and what you saw.

[1:23:22] I easily find it.

[1:23:24] There's GPS on them.

[1:23:25] There's cameras.

[1:23:25] They all have five camera systems.

[1:23:27] They have a camera inside the hopper.

[1:23:28] we insisted upon that. So they can tell me what address they are. I don't know if you guys have

[1:23:34] seen any of those pictures, but we can verify where the truck is, what truck it is, what time of day

[1:23:40] it was, and we can take a look inside the hopper to what came out of that cart.

[1:23:44] They look the same, though, right? Identical. Yeah, that's the tough part is they look identical.

[1:23:50] Well, what you just said makes sense because I drive by and I see things in like, that's not respectful.

[1:23:58] It could be I'm not saying that's what happened, but like that's how I ran operations and that's what makes sense. So yeah, so my second thing I've already brought to your attention and I talked to Shane about it, a resident that lives in a two and a half acre.

[1:24:13] That is being charged.

[1:24:16] doesn't want the trash can they own a business they have a 40 foot dumpster in

[1:24:23] their business and they take their trash there. It's a person single person that

[1:24:29] lives by himself and he says he's not home half of the time so I know you're

[1:24:34] working on it I brought it up to shade Shane today so yep we're trying to work

[1:24:41] So yeah, I'll just talk about every 15 seconds, five seconds, two seconds, five.

[1:24:46] I'm wasting my time.

[1:24:47] So, yeah, when they reach out to me and if they have an issue like that, we have not gone out to their property to harass them or anything.

[1:24:56] I've been working with this individual, this resident since May, April, May, yeah, May.

[1:25:05] So we've been going back and forth trying to figure something out, the Taylor Fit to fit that property.

[1:25:09] It will take some time.

[1:25:12] Any other thoughts?

[1:25:13] Initially?

[1:25:14] You can always email them as well.

[1:25:16] Yep.

[1:25:17] No?

[1:25:18] Awesome.

[1:25:19] Okay.

[1:25:19] Thank you so much.

[1:25:20] Have a good year and appreciate it.

[1:25:21] Mayor and Councillor, I just...

[1:25:21] Yes.

[1:25:22] Dan, I just want you to know, at the awesome BYU versus U of A game Saturday night, I did

[1:25:30] notice in the Tucson area, Tucson had the 300 gallon containers.

[1:25:37] Yeah, they do have them.

[1:25:38] I'm just saying they do have okay. All right. I'm they exist in the world

[1:25:42] I know that they exist in the world you want a 300 gallon container. No, it's something that we discussed so in in some of those

[1:25:50] Outliers that okay, okay, so in some of those those properties given the length of the driveways their private roads the waste trucks

[1:25:58] Don't want to drive down them for damaging their private road

[1:26:01] Then they damage the truck so

[1:26:04] Us dictating that they have to drive these you know

[1:26:07] So massive trucks down these private roads, it costs the residents, it costs our partner, doesn't cost us anything, but we're forcing them to do it.

[1:26:18] So it's ethically, it's not really the right thing to do.

[1:26:22] So that's why we're working on some of these properties that are outliers and what was brought up was the possibility of this neighbor, this neighbor, and this neighbor throwing into a 300 gallon cart, that way they are still in compliance with the law.

[1:26:35] And they have that finding the 300 gallon carts is a little more tricky, especially in brown with style read on the sides for that

[1:26:42] I mean, that's a requirement. They have to have that, but I'm still looking we can come out and engrave it on the side. I'll do what I have to do

[1:26:52] Yeah

[1:26:53] Purchase stock finding them and and getting them is proving to be a little trickier than I might have to go to

[1:26:59] Thank you. I want to appreciate it. We're being required. Thanks. Thank you. I work on the teams

[1:27:07] Next, Mr. Clerk, item number 10.

[1:27:10] Public hearing and possible action regarding ordinance number 2025-188,

[1:27:18] Town Code Amendment chapter 1.05,

[1:27:21] Code adoption, authority and penalty,

[1:27:24] ordinance number 2025-189,

[1:27:27] Town Code Amendment chapter 8.10,

[1:27:30] and removal of litter.

[1:27:32] And on its number, 2025-192,

[1:27:35] Town Court amendment chapter 8.25 penalties.

[1:27:39] Thanks, and I had Dylan is doing this,

[1:27:41] and I know you very well, and it's not Dylan

[1:27:43] that's that bring to the microphone,

[1:27:45] and so Nathan, welcome and please proceed.

[1:27:48] Okay, so, I'm sorry, for the council,

[1:27:52] this is a public, we'll have a public hearing,

[1:27:54] so I'll have Nathan present, ask questions,

[1:27:57] open the public hearing, then we'll close it,

[1:28:01] So it's up to me to keep you here for the next two and a half hours, I understand.

[1:28:05] All right, so what this code amendment is, is it's a fairly light touch to both Title

[1:28:13] 8 and Title 1.

[1:28:16] Title 8 is the section of the town code that deals with how do we respond to the accumulation

[1:28:23] of trash garbage debris on property?

[1:28:27] How do we react to that?

[1:28:28] what kind of sanctions do we issue against those types of properties? Currently, there are

[1:28:36] two issues with Title 8 as written that we'd like to correct. As I said, this is a fairly light,

[1:28:42] fairly subtle touch. So first off, there is some ambiguity in the code about whether or not we can

[1:28:50] choose to use either criminal or civil procedures, criminal or civil penalties, that's what I'm looking for.

[1:29:01] So the first light touch here is that we're making it very clear that the town can choose to go with criminal penalties or civil penalties one or the other.

[1:29:12] We don't have to go both.

[1:29:13] And that's important because civil penalties are are a lighter touch they are things that

[1:29:20] can be issued by our civilian employees that we have here in the department.

[1:29:27] The second item is that the current code if interpreted strictly would require immediate

[1:29:35] compliance before we start the time clock and start assessing penalties.

[1:29:41] We wanted to give our code enforcement officers a little bit of flexibility at leeway that when they issue the citation

[1:29:48] We can put a deadline. We can say you've got 30 days you've got 60 days to comply after which you know than the

[1:29:55] Penalty start accruing so that's all this all this code amendment

[1:30:00] It does touch a number of different codes, and even touch a little bit in Title 1, just to make sure that the code is consistent throughout. So, with that, I can answer any questions. So, looking at it, is it the recommendation that we would start with civil and then go to criminal at some point? We would reserve criminal for the more difficult or recalcitrate cases. Right. And where it is today?

[1:30:29] is it's like I said because of the ambiguity. Oh, so it's probably the law department has

[1:30:37] has been a little bit more hesitant to either involve themselves directly in

[1:30:41] criminal or even back us on on civil rights. Right. So we're in looking to do a

[1:30:46] little lighter touch and hopefully that helps for the majority and then

[1:30:51] reserve the higher penalties for the non-compliance. The goal here is

[1:30:58] is compliance. The goal is not punishment. Got it. Good description. Thank you. I think

[1:31:04] I stole that from John. And we will need. Yeah. Please wait on that. Just three separate

[1:31:10] motions and set three ordinances. Yes. Oh, so, um, do you want us to have them go through

[1:31:15] them each? Oh, and he's already gone through the presentation as far as I can tell, right?

[1:31:20] Or have you? I have no slides. Oh, okay. All right. So I'm happy to answer any questions about

[1:31:26] But we worked on these pretty closely together over the last months, how many months, four or five months?

[1:31:32] Right. And so yeah, as he said, it was pretty much clean up and clarification. So if you're ready to vote, we'll just need one

[1:31:40] A vote on each ordinance separately.

[1:31:43] Mayor, I just want to make a point that

[1:31:47] That part of the housekeeping here is is to clear up what current practice is. I mean our goal is compliance not

[1:31:56] not punishment or penalty, right?

[1:31:59] It's to bring people in compliance with these

[1:32:02] and give them the, the opportunity to do it.

[1:32:06] Yeah, so starting at the lesser degree of things

[1:32:10] and reserving the more strict for the heavier cases

[1:32:14] is what we already practice or try to practice.

[1:32:16] Right, but this kind of cleans it up.

[1:32:17] And remember that before we even get to citation,

[1:32:20] we do notice as a violation and try and get compliance.

[1:32:23] So we don't even get to a civil citation unless we fail to get compliance with the notice of violation and then, again, if it's a conversation right, so it is, even the civil citation is held until we can't get compliance or cooperation.

[1:32:43] Appreciate it. Yep. Thank you. Vice mayor. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Any other questions before I open the public hearing

[1:32:50] This time I'll open the public hearing anybody like to address us on this issue

[1:32:54] Seeing no movement. I will close the public hearing and entertain a motion. Vice mayor. Mr. Mayor

[1:32:59] I move to adopt ordinance number 2025-188

[1:33:03] Second we have a motion in a second any further discussion all those in favor signify by aye. Aye any opposed

[1:33:10] motion carries. Mr. Mayor. Yes. I move to adopt ordinance number 2025-189. Second.

[1:33:18] Motion to second any further discussion. All those in favor signify by aye. Aye.

[1:33:23] Any opposed?

[1:33:26] Madam. Okay. Your final time. Mr. Mayor I move to adopt ordinance number 2025-199.

[1:33:36] Second, we have a motion in the second any discussion all those in favor signify by aye aye

[1:33:41] Any opposed motion carries having no more further business. We're adjourned. Thank you

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