[0:00] Ready? >> Everybody

[0:01] » call to order this meeting for the Historic Preservation Commission

[0:05] September 9th, 2026. Uh, can we get a roll call?

[0:10] » All right. Hill >> here.

[0:13] » Amber >> here.

[0:14] » Lisa >> here.

[0:16] » Matthew >> here.

[0:17] » Derek >> here. Uh, public comments.

[0:23] Having none, we'll move on. Uh, approval of the minutes for July

[0:28] 8th, 2026. Can I have a motion, please? >> Nobody to approve. Got a motion. Do I

[0:33] have a second? >> I'll second it.

[0:35] » Second. Vote. >> Derek,

[0:37] » yes. >> Matthew,

[0:39] » yes. >> Lisa,

[0:40] » yes. >> Amber,

[0:41] » yes. >> Hill,

[0:42] » yes. >> All right. Item four, public hearings,

[0:46] landmarking of for 204 Pine Street, Way Out West Investments LLC.

[1:00] Just let you guys know this is from Eagles building. Yep. Let everybody

[1:03] know. >> Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. How

[1:06] are you? How are you? Good. My name is Paul Glenn. of PSTM architecture and uh

[1:12] we're here uh petitioning before you for Eagles Hall um for landmarking and uh we

[1:20] appreciate the opportunity that you have you know before us here um I can give

[1:25] you a little background on the building and I think you all have a package

[1:31] um Eagles Hall historic property name was Castle Hall Drug and um it owner was

[1:38] GB Sherman And then um

[1:42] that was the original owner of the building. Um you know there's a couple

[1:46] things about it. The the period of significance on this building is a

[1:49] number of things. Its use is incredibly important. Um the style of the building

[1:56] is a very early uh type of um kind of an art deco style. Um it has

[2:04] some characteristics of it. It's not a full-fledged

[2:08] um version of that, but it's kind of a crude version in the beginning. Um the

[2:13] formal address is 204 Pine Street. Um it's on uh blocks 1 2 3 and 4, block 17

[2:22] uh and part of the vacated Nevada street. Its zoning is a CC. It is not in

[2:29] the Corazan district. Um, we thought about that before back way back when

[2:35] when I got the Arizona and Pine Street buildings. We included them in the

[2:40] Corazan district. Um, the dividing line is right up the street. So, um, and I

[2:46] think um I think probably the the the reason being is we would like a drive-in

[2:52] that's not permitted drive-thru for the coffee shop that's not permitted in HP.

[2:57] It is permitted in the CC. I think and and what we've worked with with um

[3:04] History Colorado is we keep it low impact and it's acceptable. So um

[3:14] so we had the original site 5 LA 14635 204 Pine Street. We did have um history

[3:23] Colorado review this um it meets the criteria for the

[3:29] evaluation. We would like to get it um historically designated in lie of state.

[3:36] Um we do have this this project was given um

[3:43] $1 million in historical tax credits from the state of Colorado. And um you

[3:50] know like with any of these historical projects it's it's a chinkle blocks

[3:54] trying to get all the capital stacked together and get the the money put

[3:58] together to get enough funding for it. So and we also do have from from

[4:04] Trinidad part of your um original program. We do have a housing now grant

[4:10] on this project as well which we're kind of grandfathered in on that. Um we do

[4:15] plan on using it. uh we do have to do this project in phases. It's just

[4:20] financially we can't uh we can't make it work. So um we are getting help from TUR

[4:27] on this as well. Um so the big thing I think with this this

[4:32] project is phase one will be the ground floor way west coffee on the Nevada

[4:40] side. We have two um well it's separated by the stairwell

[4:46] that goes to the basement which is a banquet facility and to the upstairs

[4:50] which used to be the old Eagles uh area and so the the two Westerly units are

[4:57] small retail units and we talked to the college they're interested in them so is

[5:02] a merger campus so it's exciting to kind of um move forward with that portion of

[5:08] the project the um so right now the main floor with Turo we

[5:15] want to bring this building live uh it has underside services to it um some

[5:22] services I should say. So with Turo we're bringing um gas, water, fire lines

[5:29] um and electric to the building which will house the project. The next phase

[5:34] would be to ground floor, which would be the coffee shop, and we're already

[5:39] underway with bidding for that. The building's been permitted for quite some

[5:43] time. I have to talk to you about renewing that permit. Um, but yeah, so

[5:48] that's um phase two would probably be the lower level, the basement level um

[5:54] with the elevator. It's designed with an elevator. And then the third the last

[5:59] phase would be the apartments upstairs which is where the housing now comes in.

[6:04] And so uh I think with with that said give you a little background on the

[6:12] building. Um built in 1903. It is an unusual and I don't know if you

[6:18] you all remember but it was about a year and a half two years ago somebody

[6:22] crashed into the front of that building >> and um so the owners with the help of

[6:29] the insurance we were able to rebuild it. Um found out a number of things

[6:33] about it and what we rebuilt we actually incorporated what the design was. Our

[6:39] drawings were complete for permit at that point. So we we did move forward

[6:43] with that corner of the renovation. Um we also

[6:49] um went forward with uh the painting of the building. That particular paint uh

[6:55] scheme is a desert paint scheme which is characteristic of you know colors in

[7:00] this area historically. And so if you look on

[7:09] the original colors were blue. Um

[7:15] » I remember that blue. >> Yeah, it was a blue and a tan and and so

[7:20] the new colors, not part of the accident, but part of the owners wanting

[7:25] to just move this project along. We had come up with the rendering that you see

[7:31] the color scheme there with the burgundy and the greens and the tam along with

[7:37] the dark browns um windows

[7:41] and then like a coffee beastro on the Nevada street outdoor coffee beastro. So

[7:48] to bring that to fruition, our paint scheme does reflect that. After the the

[7:54] repairs were were made to the uh the corner there, we did go through we were

[8:00] able to dry this roof in for we did have some leaks and

[8:07] we've got a half a dozen buildings that we're working on and within a year if

[8:11] you don't dry them in that deterioration is it's incredible how fast it happens.

[8:16] But we are dried in here. We do have the paint scheme. And so with tourist's help

[8:21] bringing this building alive, um we are u we're moving along. And so part of our

[8:29] our process is we we even though this isn't a district, we feel this is a very

[8:34] important building being so close to the district. U

[8:39] historically this north end over here was only separated by the river. And

[8:45] when it when the highway went through, it really settled the north end. But it

[8:48] was developing on its own as the north end. And so like any city, they have

[8:55] districts. And so we feel this district is every bit as important as the

[9:00] Corissant. It touches the Corazan. Some one day it could be part of the Corusan.

[9:04] Um but I think um the exciting part is that

[9:10] this building is moving forward and it's a catalyst for that twob block stretch

[9:15] and this goes back I don't know probably six seven years when we were working on

[9:21] 101 Piney Street and working on around the corner the Nevada Street project. Um

[9:29] we felt that this was this twob block stretch was really important. It's the

[9:33] front door to the college. Why not make it its own little district? So, we did a

[9:39] a proono plan for the city that showed this being its own district. We found if

[9:45] you look on the original photo,

[9:50] area 179, you'll notice a four light fixture type pole mounted fixture.

[9:57] » Mhm. Um, apparently C has one of those somewhere around there, but that would

[10:05] designate this city or this district from the Corissant district. And so we

[10:10] thought that's kind of a cool thing. We would put um light blocks at either end.

[10:15] And so in meeting with the college last week, they're excited about that. So

[10:20] this building is kind of the cornerstone of that district. Um we're also working

[10:26] with the building K Corner um from this building as well. So

[10:33] it's exciting what's moving along on that that side of town. Um Oh yeah.

[10:40] So going back to the history of the building uh 1903 is is uh on the

[10:45] cornerstone above um up by the fire pit. We don't know who the original architect

[10:51] was. We don't know who the original builder was. We do know that the blocks

[10:56] in this building were indicative of a fly ash. It was kind of a byproduct of

[11:03] the coal ovens out here. And so it's not a very stable block. It is a type of

[11:10] concrete block. Um it's very fragile that you can like claw it and get it to

[11:15] but nonetheless. So we we know we feel that the building is stable enough to go

[11:20] with with it as is. and we've done as part of our permit drawings, we've got

[11:25] some stabilization to do with it, but we feel it's a good candidate for a full

[11:30] restoration. Um, the building was originally designed

[11:34] as as mixed use. So, the it was a drugstore on the corner. Um,

[11:41] and there were other retail units. It was actually like a small cigar store on

[11:46] the Nevada side. Little tiny little store there. Um

[11:51] the downstairs was was always banquet and the upstairs uh was a combination of

[11:57] kind of strange spaces. Um

[12:03] we uh but ultimately when the Eagles uh bought it, they converted it and I I'll

[12:11] tell you a little more about that. Um they converted it to their area which is

[12:15] the Eagle's nest. The area is the Eagle's nest. So, um but anyway, so

[12:21] yeah, it it's assembly retail banquet. Um it's current use, it's vacant. We're

[12:27] proposing mixed use, which would be uh retail, ground floor, banquet, and

[12:32] apartments. We also, just to kind of give you a little backstory, too. So,

[12:36] the owners of this property own the Nevada lot next door to it around the

[12:42] corner. So, we did get that reszoneed and permitted for uh food trucks, which

[12:48] the the college loved it, the city loved it, and so the back of one of these

[12:53] retail units would actually be the commissary for that right there. So,

[12:58] that's that's still in the picture. It's we're sloww walking this whole thing.

[13:03] But um anyway uh

[13:09] the information criteria meets the character in a number of ways or

[13:13] historical eligibility. Uh it's character was a early version of kind of

[13:20] an art echo. Um it is without a doubt according to the

[13:26] state very um historically significant in that it's an evaluation um on a

[13:33] social history and fraternal um organization. So they feel that that was

[13:38] very for this particular um order of eagles area eagles um it was significant

[13:45] in this area for that very reason. you know, we've got the, you know, the uh

[13:49] the Shriners, got the Legion Hall, there's a bunch of different

[13:52] organizations. This is very similar to that.

[13:55] » Um so, and that is the route that we would

[14:00] take with the state if we had it um recognized by the state would be for the

[14:05] fraternal organization. They call it criteria A. And that's kind of what

[14:09] we're doing with you. we would we would hope that you could um uh give us our

[14:15] nomination and our designation based on that same type of use. Um you I feel as

[14:20] an architect it's has other characteristics too.

[14:24] » Um for instance I don't know if any of you went in the tour that we had

[14:29] recently in there >> but the the bar is a very good example

[14:33] of kind of that art deco which we're going to reuse.

[14:37] » Yeah, that was a beautiful bar. >> Oh my gosh, it's cool. And we've got a

[14:40] guy out of Chicago that's going to come and and do the um all of the glass work

[14:45] for it. We're we're moving that bar downstairs.

[14:49] » The upstairs would be apartments. Um the main floor would be retail and then the

[14:54] basement would be assembly. >> And so, but we're going to we're moving

[14:57] the bar down there, reconfiguring a little bit, using all the pieces and

[15:01] then redoing the uh you know, all the glass work and the neon. So I think

[15:07] that's really >> that's very cool.

[15:09] » Yeah, it is exciting. Um,

[15:16] so

[15:19] um go back a little bit of on the

[15:23] attachment A. I tried to give you a little history of what we had. Um, there

[15:28] is some very interesting things about this building. Um, and if you a lot of

[15:33] the old-timers can kind of verify that, um, we found a whole bunch of record in

[15:42] the basement that tie this building to the syndicate in Chicago. So, it's

[15:47] pretty special. >> Have fun.

[15:49] » Yeah. And so, um, we we think that that is something that we want to when we

[15:56] start getting into the details of this building, for instance, for,

[16:00] uh, the banquet facility in particular and the lobby that goes upstairs that

[16:05] we'd like to play on that. And I think that's that's pretty cool because that

[16:09] is a huge part of Trinidad in itself was was the, you know, connection up there.

[16:15] So, uh, the building's art deco. It's a um it's built to the locally sourced fly

[16:20] ash um with stucco on all four. Um

[16:26] indicative of the art deco are the smooth streamline lines, geometric

[16:30] shapes um geometric windows. If you look at um

[16:36] it has storefront, but they've tried to incorporate

[16:41] small rectangular windows on two panels, one on each street. Mhm.

[16:46] » Um so and that would be very uh characteristic of our deco. Same with

[16:53] the 8 by8 scored and that is 8 by8. It's not really a

[16:58] scored concrete block. It's a it's a plaster that's been scored in an 8 by8

[17:03] pattern. >> Um it has horizontal banding with the

[17:07] dentals. So um it's a two-story building built in

[17:11] 1903. um Castle Hall uh purchased the land and

[17:16] built the building um for about $5,400. The building was known as Castle Hall

[17:21] Block at that time, owned by GB Sherman. Um

[17:28] it was eventually sold in 1908 to CL Brewer, who was also um

[17:35] a pharmacist and a drugger. And they kept it until the 30s, which is when it

[17:40] changed hands. the paternal orders of the Eagles purchased it for

[17:45] approximately $15,000 and reinvested another $22,000

[17:50] to uh where you see it now with the with

[17:54] the large area hall on the one end, the bar, the gaming room. And so part of

[18:01] what we're doing with history and working with history Colorado is even

[18:04] though we are making these apartments up there. Um

[18:10] we're going to play on the fact that these were large rooms. In other words,

[18:14] in the hallway that is the circulation for the apartments. We're doing transom

[18:19] windows at the top. So you can literally see that that same ceiling went through.

[18:24] that was uh something that we we came up with the state and felt that that'd be a

[18:28] good way to actually see that you know where those original rooms were.

[18:34] So uh just a little creative uh design on that end. And so um

[18:44] 1932 there was an explosion at the building that's no longer there which is

[18:47] the Nevada lot that's but the commissary um damaged it. that the Eagles had to

[18:53] put in their own money to fix it. Litigation went on for years. Um,

[18:58] » do you know the cause of the explosion? Just out of curiosity,

[19:02] » you know, I think

[19:08] the syndicate got the wrong building. Just saying

[19:16] it could be. I don't know. But go figure, right? explosion down there and

[19:20] you know but uh so that's just my theory but anyway the building is not connected

[19:27] to the tunnels that are on main and commercial even though it has what we

[19:33] found could be a tunnel. I'm not willing to go down there.

[19:37] I've been down as many of these as I can. I'm not willing to go down that

[19:42] it did have a flood. This is about seven years ago. the uh the corner of Pine and

[19:49] Arizona flooded. It's a backup sewer possibly, whatever.

[19:54] » Uh that flooded the Pine Street building, took on water, full basement

[19:58] up to about 2 ft on the main floor. This took up water in the basement as well.

[20:04] And um the old owner went ahead and redid that whole basement floor. So,

[20:09] we're fortunate to have that done. It's all new joist, waterproofed, and

[20:13] everything. So um

[20:21] and then um so yeah I think you know um the significance of this building and

[20:27] and it's funny I learned all kinds of stories when we were doing street school

[20:32] it was you know some of the old-timers just have all kinds of stories about

[20:37] these buildings and and the history with them and actual users of those

[20:42] buildings. This is no different. Um, at one point, you know, anybody that

[20:47] ever had a wedding in town back in the day had it here. They knew kind of, you

[20:52] know, things about the building that, you know, she's probably better off

[20:57] staying away from it other than a wedding. But, um, we found a lot of

[21:01] cool, uh, things that as far as, um, what, you know, what they were doing in

[21:08] there as far as the gaming and things like that. It's part of the history. It

[21:11] is what it is, right? So um but I think that's the same that correlate that use

[21:17] kind of correlates with what state was saying also as far as social

[21:22] organizations. Doesn't matter who used it or what the use was. Knights of

[21:27] Columbus had their meetings in there. The Eagles had their meetings in there.

[21:32] Um and then there were a lot of labor union meetings in there as well which is

[21:36] is part of the history of this this town. So um we feel it's it's

[21:41] significant in that more so than the fact it's an early version of art deco.

[21:47] I mean it it you really have to look at later versions of art deco to understand

[21:54] it is one but that yeah it's kind of you know kind of gray. It's its historical

[22:00] significance is is way more important with its use and not with the labor

[22:05] unions >> and eagles. So um and really it was it

[22:09] was a catalyst for the development of that north side. And that was typically

[22:14] a lot of the stockyards and things were over there. And so it was kind of the,

[22:19] you know, the uh the castaway so to speak. And when it started to develop

[22:24] this building, the one kitty corner from it um down around the corner the the

[22:30] Malveri Apartments and then the Pine Street building there. It it was

[22:35] developing all on its own. And I think that's what we're trying hoping is that

[22:40] we can bring that whole district back and and um like I said that the college

[22:45] is all excited about it because it's you don't have to cross under the river or

[22:50] cross over the river. You don't have to go into the expressway. They'll have

[22:53] places on their own side down ride their bike down. Um,

[22:58] and then this is going to be one the c the coffee shop will have acoustic music

[23:03] in it and um serve food. It'll be computer friendly. Um, the building will

[23:10] now be accessible in an elevator. Um, but with all that adaptive reuse,

[23:17] the most important intent is to keep it the way it was as as best you can. I

[23:23] mean, that's that's um we have to use it for modern day uses. So,

[23:32] » you guys have any questions?

[23:39] » No. >> I appreciate what you're doing over

[23:43] there. >> Thank you.

[23:44] » Actually, how many uh apartments are you looking to put in the

[23:47] » So, we're going to do eight. And um it's a range. Most of them are studio.

[23:53] There's four studio. I'm sorry. Five studio,

[23:58] two onebedrooms and a twobedroom. Okay.

[24:02] » And um so and we thought the probably the the

[24:07] best use or that you know in talking with with the college is off-campus

[24:13] senior housing or professor housing. It's right there.

[24:17] » Yep. And um there's a need for it and we just you know it's close and it's it

[24:23] creates that that urban environment that >> large cities embrace you know little

[24:29] districts like that depending on where you are in that city whether it's little

[24:32] Italy, Greek town, whatever those districts are important to the fabric of

[24:37] the city and especially you have a college right there too.

[24:40] » It's it's just that much more important. >> Okay.

[24:44] Um, >> you said that

[24:49] the historic district ends right there, but it might move. So,

[24:53] » if we if we do the survey as we've been doing it, we're in first phase for the

[24:57] survey. >> So, we could possibly in the last phase

[25:01] push the boundaries. It has been brought up by um, History Colorado. That's a

[25:06] possibility. >> So, then what happens with the

[25:08] drive-thru? God would be permitted under

[25:12] » if it gets put in before grandfather. Yeah. Yeah. And and so like

[25:17] when we um I remember this goes way back probably 8 years or so when we were

[25:23] doing 101 Pine which is down at the end of the street there and then uh the

[25:28] Arizona that was all one property. So not only did we get that split into two

[25:34] but we also got that added to the Corazan district at that time. Um the

[25:39] boundary line went right down the center of the street of Pine. It stopped, made

[25:44] a left and went south on Nevada down the middle. So if the district expands, if

[25:50] the Corazan district expands, this could certainly be part of it. Um

[25:55] I know that the owners for the building across the street, which goes in a

[25:59] little meat market, um they would be interested in being a part of that as

[26:04] well. >> Arizona.

[26:06] » Yeah. I haven't talked to the the janitorial service, but that building is

[26:10] kind of a cool building in its own right, too. And then

[26:15] could a college district exist on top of the quarter zone?

[26:18] » It certainly could. Yeah, absolutely. It's an overlay district. So, yeah.

[26:23] » Yeah. And I don't know if you're all familiar, but this, you know, coming

[26:27] from Chicago myself, I have a a special place in my heart for the the rap

[26:33] brothers. you know, two of them stayed there, two came here.

[26:37] » They all went to live down in Carbondale. So, I know I went to school

[26:42] there, too, um before Chicago. But anyway, um if you if if you're familiar

[26:49] with Grant Park, um was a Spanish architect, a designer

[26:55] that came over. He designed these light blocks. Basically, it it can change with

[27:01] you put pictures in there. program of older clear. So what I proposed to the

[27:06] city back about eight years ago is something like that as bookends. So it

[27:11] sounds like we've got the college after Ronda left. We've got um Dustin

[27:17] there renewed interest in that. So those would be like the book ends of this

[27:21] district. >> And um we've got a parking plan. I think

[27:26] that's still on file. I I you know um but it's it's it's it's a collaborative

[27:32] effort but that what it takes to the building owners to help create that

[27:36] district and so we felt to create the district not only would we have parking

[27:42] you know designated parking out there some green spaces some trees outdoor

[27:46] spaces like the beastro outdoor beastro here but also designated a little

[27:51] different when you go to these bigger cities the districts are are delineated

[27:55] by for instance light fixtures are

[27:58] different. So the light fixtures here would be different than the cores on

[28:02] even though they're part of it. It's an overlay. So therefore these lights can

[28:06] be different. >> Mhm.

[28:08] » You know, so it's really kind of an evolving process. It takes forever. Um

[28:12] we've done it a couple times up in Illinois on some collar towns and um

[28:17] Woodstock Square is one of them. Uh Harvard, you know. So it's it's um it's

[28:22] really fun to watch it evolve. You have the buildings here. You have what a lot

[28:28] of towns don't have. And so that's huge. That's the first story.

[28:34] » Harvard. That's where the AT&T >> I'm sorry.

[28:38] » They had an AT&T factory in Harvard. >> Mhm.

[28:42] » Well, we did a we did a Yeah. And that's um we did a building there called the

[28:47] Star Line. And I don't know how familiar you are. They made refrigerators. It's

[28:52] super long building. Um, we did some work on that. We did that remodel.

[28:57] That's a really cool building. Um, very similar to

[29:04] uh in Alexandria, Virginia, Oldtown Alexandria. There's a place there called

[29:08] the torpedo factory to make torpedoes. It's this long building. It's like eight

[29:12] blocks long and it's mixed use now. It's just thriving. And so that's kind of

[29:18] what we're hoping with some of these buildings is that um emerging campus has

[29:23] some interest in possibly moving when they grow out of a space

[29:28] there. They have the next step could be here possibly. So

[29:34] we're excited about this project moving forward. It's been years

[29:38] since we started this, but >> with a little setback, too.

[29:42] » Yes. But we're excited that it's moving forward. um the whole you know Chur has

[29:49] been great helping us with that and um that's like ready to go and then the

[29:58] next step is getting that ground floor leased out. Um we do so the basement

[30:04] level of this building does fit a niche as far as assembly. Um

[30:11] the college has their own you know assembly rooms and and areas.

[30:17] Um they have used space to create got you know beautiful space there. The

[30:22] Mitchell has a space as well for depending on different uses there. This

[30:26] fits into a close very small niche and it's right across the street for their

[30:32] own catering which which they like that idea.

[30:36] So, do I have a motion?

[30:41] » We're all excited. I'll make a motion. >> Second.

[30:47] » May you have a vote? >> Hill?

[30:49] » Yes. >> Amber?

[30:50] » Yes. >> Lisa?

[30:52] » Yes. >> Matthew?

[30:53] » Yes. >> Derek?

[30:54] » Yes. >> I can get this into city council on the

[30:58] 6th for first reading. >> Okay.

[31:00] » Um and then um I'll send you over the agenda when I do so. Um and then it'll

[31:05] be second reading which should be 1st of November I think. I'll have to

[31:12] look at the calendar for agenda for >> exciting. Thank you all very much.

[31:16] » It sounds really exciting. >> Thank you.

[31:18] » No, we're very exciting. >> Yeah, we're we're just one more. It's a

[31:21] slow process. One building at a time. Building a building one at a time.

[31:27] » And I'm wearing two hats here. So, I'm a little excited.

[31:33] » I I hope that it's everything you said it could be.

[31:36] » We're hoping it's um I don't know if you uh I don't know if I put them in here,

[31:42] but I can certainly center some of the So, we have the rendering of

[31:47] the outside. >> Mhm.

[31:50] » We also have >> If they want to see the inside, I can

[31:52] pull the plans whenever they want to come downstairs to look cuz we have we

[31:56] have physical plans. So, we have a color um I don't know if I brought them to the

[32:02] walkth through, but so we have a a 3D color rendering like this of the

[32:09] beastro, the coffee shop, which is super cool. Uh we're reusing a lot of the

[32:13] fixtures and everything in there, the ceiling tiles and all that. Uh we also

[32:18] have um a render in one of the units upstairs, too.

[32:23] » So, we're going with all exposed duck work. um they're small, they're tiny,

[32:29] that they fit a niche in the market, they're affordable,

[32:32] » and um >> by having a variety they're one

[32:36] twobedroom, and that's based on market need, too.

[32:40] » Like I said, four or five of the studios,

[32:43] two onebs, one twobedroom. But that's based on need, market need.

[32:47] » And so if you have a professor or or an upper grad that's married, they can have

[32:53] multiple bedrooms. If you have, you know, a single person, the studios are

[32:58] perfect. So,

[33:05] » this part of me's never moving out.

[33:10] » I'm not moving. It's like, yeah, I know. My feet are planted.

[33:17] » But you know what the truth is, too? We're finding

[33:20] um even on western slope that gone are the days of the big houses. We're

[33:26] building everything small now and it's you know thousand square foot and under.

[33:31] » Really? >> Oh yeah. Wow.

[33:32] » It's really pretty cool. >> Too bad of the Victorian era would make

[33:36] a comeback.

[33:40] » I need it. >> We'll just restore the ones we got.

[33:43] » Gosh, I wish we could restore every Victorian house.

[33:46] » Same. I just want to use my room if I'm like

[33:50] » I mean same cuz the last big storm we had we found quite the leak in our

[33:56] laundry room. >> Oh man. Well, they you know what's

[33:59] funny? We found doing some houses around here is um pretty much no foundation.

[34:06] » Yep. Yep. I've got >> zero foundation. They just built them

[34:10] right on the dirt. >> No, mine's on that ash.

[34:15] » Oh, the fly ash. Mine's 1890s house. My foundation is

[34:20] pretty sure mine is probably too. >> Yeah. Well, she's up the block for me.

[34:24] So, yeah. >> Yeah.

[34:25] » And you know what? It's funny because that stuff it it it looks great

[34:29] » and >> but I already got cracks.

[34:31] » Oh, man. Cracks. And if you find a piece that doesn't have stuckle on it,

[34:36] » you can just take your fingernails and >> Yeah. Yeah. My contractor took a look at

[34:40] that and looked at me and goes, "No." >> Yeah.

[34:43] So, we had to figure out how to fix this because you can't just

[34:47] » glue them back together like you can concrete block.

[34:50] » So, we literally had to make a steel sandwich and call it a girdle.

[34:53] » Yep. >> Around the whole corner. And basically

[34:56] at that point, you're just filling, you know, filling it in. What's structurally

[35:01] supporting is is the steel underneath the columns and the girdle. And that is

[35:05] what's supporting. >> I was told next earthquake.

[35:11] Just wait for the next earthquake. >> Couple months ago.

[35:15] » All right. Thank you. >> Thank you all very much.

[35:18] » I'll get back with you on that. >> Okay.

[35:20] » Uh moving on to item five, items for discussion. Bond tool.

[35:27] » I have sent this over to my mom and Miss Hill's lovely husband has it as well. Um

[35:34] » only question I have for you guys, we had talked about the dates. You could do

[35:37] the Halloween weekend >> that. So, we were um my mom brought up

[35:42] she was worried about doing the 31st a because if they do the

[35:46] trick-or-treating, the roads are going to be closed.

[35:49] » Yeah. >> So, that is going to cause a problem. Um

[35:53] if we do, she was wondering if you guys want to do it the Saturday before or the

[35:57] Friday before Halloween. Do Friday night and then do that Saturday that you guys

[36:02] wanted to do before cuz that's I think you guys said the 24th. I mean, he could

[36:06] date, but I'm not going to be able to do anything. I've got somebody coming in

[36:09] and it's also milking. >> Well, my mom said she's willing to do

[36:12] both nights. She has no problems with that. I She said I misunderstood her.

[36:16] » I'm not going to argue with my mom cuz I all the time. So,

[36:20] but she said she's fine with doing both days, especially since we're doing the

[36:23] trolley. She said that's her not walking around. She's fine with that then.

[36:27] » Okay. >> Um, are we wanting to do the Friday or

[36:30] you guys still want to do the Saturday? I'll do Halloween. She's just she's

[36:33] worried because if they do the safe trick-or-treating that's going to block

[36:36] all the roads. >> Well, you just if you do it on

[36:38] Halloween, you do it after >> trick trick-or-treating as well and

[36:41] done. >> Yeah. Well, and then she said that would

[36:43] be fine, but she said I guess a lot of the bars are doing karaoke and

[36:48] she didn't know if parents were going to want to do that at night on Halloween.

[36:52] » I'm not doing karaoke. >> We're doing haunted house. That's what

[36:55] we'll be doing. >> Yeah, you guys are doing the haunted

[36:56] house. She wasn't sure if we're going to get a big turnout if we do Halloween.

[37:01] Actual Halloween. >> We did Halloween last year, right?

[37:04] » No, we did it the weekend before. We did it the week before and the week before

[37:08] that. >> I thought we did one on Halloween.

[37:11] » You did the one year that >> You did it the one year you did it.

[37:15] Yeah. >> So that was the year before.

[37:17] » Yeah. We've been doing this so many years.

[37:19] » This will be the third year. >> Oh my god.

[37:22] I think we'll I think we >> we've grown it each year cuz the first

[37:25] year we did it just Halloween. We only did the one tour.

[37:29] » I think he will get people to show up on Halloween night.

[37:32] » So, if you wanted to do we can't she said she's fine. She's just she was more

[37:35] worried because she's like >> she was looking around with things to do

[37:39] because my sister's coming in and she said that she saw a lot of flyers and

[37:43] she was kind of surprised. Normally we don't have a lot of stuff going on for

[37:45] Halloween. >> Do it Friday night then. I'm I'm fine

[37:47] with that. >> It's up to you guys. She just wanted She

[37:50] brought it up as a suggestion. She wanted to see what you guys wanted to

[37:52] do. She's like she's up for whatever you guys

[37:54] » I just think if Where's the trick or treat? Down Main Street Main Commercial.

[37:59] » So, wouldn't that be like ideal for them to do that and then be like, "Oh,

[38:02] there's a haunted tour. >> We just got to limit the trolley."

[38:06] » We got a lot less traffic right after trick-or-treating than I thought we

[38:11] would. >> Did you?

[38:12] » Yeah. >> I think right after trick-or-treating,

[38:14] especially parents are exhausted. It just didn't

[38:17] » Well, because people do it downtown and they drive and then they go to the

[38:22] neighborhood. >> Yeah. That's when they take the kids to

[38:24] cuz I mean that's what I do. I take I take my kids to Well, my kids go

[38:30] I sit. They're old enough. They go on their

[38:34] own. But then we drive them to an area and then drop them off so they can

[38:38] actually trickor treat. >> So that's the only thing I'm worried

[38:40] about is that right after they do the safe trick because it is on a Saturday.

[38:44] That means there's no school, there's no nothing holding them up. They're going

[38:47] to do that and they're going to go regular trick-or-treating

[38:49] » and go. >> So, I think we probably could do it on

[38:51] Halloween. >> Yeah.

[38:53] » What time does that say trick-or-treating?

[38:55] » I see. The thing is I'm not sure cuz we're doing it or not doing it.

[39:00] » I know you guys kind of did confuse me on that front.

[39:04] » Will DD be wearing costume? Cuz I'll have like a costume that I'm going to

[39:07] wear for the haunted house, too. So, >> it's it's like I said, she was the one

[39:11] that suggested the Friday before, but she thought the Saturday before like we

[39:15] were going to do the 24th. She said that's awesome. I She thinks we'll get a

[39:17] lot of people for that one. Do the Saturday and then the Friday the

[39:21] following week for >> It sounds like Friday might be a better

[39:23] option. >> Sure.

[39:26] » We can get everybody. >> I don't care.

[39:29] » He's like, I don't care. >> Well, if we wait till after

[39:31] trick-or-treating, I don't want to have like a low turnout because everyone's

[39:34] off doing their other stuff. more hot chocolate.

[39:38] » Well, so that's another question. Are we still wanting to start at History

[39:42] Colorado still? >> No, we're going to start at um

[39:47] » and that's going to be the big issue >> if we do safety locked off.

[39:52] » No, if we do the trolley that seats 30 people,

[39:57] » it drop them off at the haunted house afterwards.

[40:00] » No, he he's talking about he's going to limit us.

[40:04] I mean, all these places are very close. >> Why couldn't you just walk?

[40:13] » Terabino in is a little off. >> Terabino's pretty high up a hill.

[40:17] » Yeah. >> Not too far. It's just on second

[40:21] » and the and the firehouse one. >> Are you going I don't Are you I think

[40:27] you might have those mixed up. Are you thinking Firehouse 2? Is are you

[40:30] thinking the one on Nevada or you thinking the one on Santa Fe?

[40:34] What did I write down? >> You wrote you wrote

[40:38] » you wrote Firehouse one, but everybody assumes that the one on Nevada is

[40:43] Firehouse One, and it's not. That's actually Firehouse 2, too.

[40:46] » Yeah. >> The one that's the one that's on Yeah.

[40:49] Nevada. >> It's close.

[40:50] » Okay. Then that's >> This is the one commercial.

[40:53] » The commercial. >> Yeah.

[40:54] » Oh, we're thinking about Never mind. My >> Old City Hall, right?

[40:57] » That's Old City Hall.

[41:02] So, does your mom want to do all of it or do you want to put Tim on the hook

[41:06] for anything? >> Well, what's up? What's Tim up wanting

[41:09] to do? >> Well, he could do one.

[41:12] » Well, I knew that he was also doing the haunted house. You guys are doing the

[41:14] haunted house, right? >> Yeah, I'm doing the haunted house. He's

[41:16] doing doors open, but I think that's done like the first week of October.

[41:19] » That's done the first week of October. They reached out to me on that one.

[41:24] » It's not in a play. >> Okay. Well, let me check with her

[41:28] because I don't want to get yelled out again. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's It comes

[41:32] down to it, mom can have it. >> I I looked at her, my dad looked at her,

[41:36] my hus PJ, my husband looked at her, and she's like, he's like, "That's not what

[41:39] she was saying." >> We'll have time before

[41:41] » Yeah, we'll have enough time. Um, we'll have one more meeting before the events

[41:46] any either way. But, uh, I just want And then checking times. Are we wanting to

[41:50] do last year we did one early, one in the later? Um, I saw we had more turnout

[41:56] for the one in the later. I like >> Do we want to make them RSVP again?

[42:00] » Yeah, we need to >> especially if we're using the trolley

[42:03] because it's limited space. >> It's got to be RSVP.

[42:05] » Okay, RSVP. I'll get the flyers together. Are So, we're want Are we

[42:09] wanting both of them to be in the evening?

[42:12] » Yeah. >> So, what are we looking at evening?

[42:16] Cuz my evening and everybody else's evening might be different.

[42:21] » Huh? >> 6:30.

[42:22] » I'd say 7. >> 7.

[42:24] » Want to do both? 7:00 both >> cuz that way everyone's had time to like

[42:28] » Well, but if we do two two in a in a day, you'd need an early one.

[42:33] » Mhm. >> So, we would do a total of four.

[42:36] » You want to do four different shows? >> I think I think we we at least put it

[42:40] out there. >> Okay.

[42:41] » And how long is the tour going to take you?

[42:45] » An hour. >> Hour. Probably

[42:47] » took about an hour. It took about almost two hours with the walking with the

[42:52] trolley. I think it's going to lower it to about an hour.

[42:56] » Mhm. >> Do we spend if my if she I'll have her

[42:59] She'll walk through it when she's been walking through it with her head.

[43:03] » And are we all getting out of the trolley?

[43:05] » No. >> So, she'll tell the story in the trolley

[43:09] » probably. >> I think you stay in the trolley.

[43:11] » So, the whole event is just in the trolley.

[43:14] » I think so. >> Cuz they have the It's got the speaker.

[43:18] » Yeah. >> So, she can actually She's loud enough.

[43:22] But >> Yeah. The only thing is

[43:22] » she did so good last time. >> Like I said, she's loud.

[43:27] » When it's dark, sometimes you can't see out the window.

[43:30] » I I can usually hear her down the block. So,

[43:33] » you get onto the sidewalk. But I mean, >> the window.

[43:37] » Yeah. But it's like if it's cold or something like that, but yet it was just

[43:41] like last year when we went on the >> Christmas lights tour, I was like

[43:45] noticing like I can't see anything unless we're like right up next to it

[43:48] and there's lights. >> That's going to be another thing. If

[43:51] we're doing it at 7:00, it's going to be dark.

[43:53] » Yeah. >> You'll have to ask your mom that, too.

[43:56] If she wants to get out of >> if she wants everybody to get out or get

[43:59] her stay in. >> So, if we're doing two shows, we're

[44:02] going to do what? One at seven and then one at

[44:06] We don't want too big of a space. >> I would assume five.

[44:10] » You want to do five? Five and one. Five sounds good.

[44:13] » All right. So, then she probably I'll check with her to see if she wants to do

[44:16] both. She might want to split it and have your husband do one day and her do

[44:19] one day. Okay. >> So, five and seven.

[44:21] » I think five and seven. That gives enough time for us to do the chore, come

[44:25] back, drop them off, and then pick up the next load.

[44:27] » And we're doing hot chocolate like in the

[44:29] » We did hot chocolate. >> Cider.

[44:32] » Well, I think we did both. >> I think we did both last time, but that

[44:35] was with History Colorado. So, I'll check with

[44:38] » cider with shots of like hot days. >> What's the

[44:42] We have to get a liquor license to do that.

[44:45] » We can do donations. I think you only need to look at like

[44:49] the assistant. >> You're giving it away.

[44:52] » Donations. >> It depends on who's on those days of

[44:56] working. It'll either be Victor or >> Victor. Is Victor running it?

[44:59] » Victor runs it on. >> So, it's just going to be the Friday.

[45:04] » The Friday before >> before. Okay.

[45:07] » And then >> so the 23rd. Is that the 23rd? I thought

[45:10] it was the 24th. Did I have the wrong date? The 24th is a Saturday.

[45:13] » So, the 23rd and the 30th. I think we're doing the 24th because we're doing the

[45:17] Saturday and the Friday, right? >> So, we're doing it a Saturday and a

[45:19] Friday. >> Okay.

[45:20] » So, Saturday and the Friday >> I think that would be best because

[45:23] that's going to get everybody Yeah, that's going to get everybody on a

[45:25] Saturday for the weekend and then on the Friday we can get people who are

[45:29] » and then two tours each night at 5:00 and 7. Gotcha.

[45:32] » Yep. >> Okay. So, the 23rd and the 24th.

[45:34] » Yep. >> No, the 24th and the 30th.

[45:37] » 24th and the 30th. >> Right. Right. Right. Okay.

[45:42] » Oh my god. and I'll get the I'll get a a or I'll

[45:47] get a flyer ready and send it out to you guys so you guys can vote by email since

[45:52] I'm going to need to get it out before our next meeting.

[45:54] » So, just checking. We're having one tour on the 30th.

[45:59] » Two tours both days. >> Don't do this to me. People have

[46:05] » four AND SIX. >> FOUR, FIVE, and seven. People,

[46:10] you're going to make mess up. The wire is going to be all jacked up. It's going

[46:13] to be all your faults. >> Telling you, it's going to be all your

[46:17] faults. >> Um, for the RSVP

[46:21] » Mhm. >> would it be possible for you to ask

[46:25] people if they want to join a mailing list

[46:27] » so we can start to compile this? >> Yeah, we can.

[46:31] » Yeah. >> Is there a calendar, too?

[46:34] » Yes. Good job. >> Yeah.

[46:37] » And we'll make sure we have a sign in sheet when we get there. Yeah,

[46:41] » that way we're covered cuz that was that's a good idea. Much much much much.

[46:46] » Any more on the haunted tour? >> Uh, we need to vote. That's the locking

[46:50] in those dates, people. >> Yeah.

[46:52] » Do I have a motion to lock in the dates for the hunt?

[46:55] » Motion. >> I have a motion. Do I have a second?

[46:57] » I'll second. >> We have a second to have a vote.

[47:00] » Derek, >> yes.

[47:01] » Matthew, >> yes.

[47:02] » Lisa, >> yes.

[47:03] » Amber, >> yes.

[47:04] » Hill, >> yes.

[47:05] » All right. >> One last thing. Uh, Lisa, will you go

[47:09] ahead and just add those? Do we need to add these historic details to the script

[47:13] or did you already send them?

[47:15] » I I I sent it as she as Lisa sent that copy.

[47:18] » Okay, cool. >> Cool. Never mind then.

[47:23] » And I will let you know that I believe my mom might have

[47:27] added. >> Sure. I don't care

[47:30] » where where the bullet points is. She like

[47:33] put in >> all right. She did what she did last

[47:37] year. So, >> works for me.

[47:40] » Okay. >> 5B train research update.

[47:44] » All right, people. So, we've had m um I put in the packet which was not when I

[47:49] mailed it or emailed it to you. This is afterwards cuz they were here this

[47:52] weekend. So, they were here Saturday, Sunday um from 8 to 5 both days um going

[47:59] over the train, back and forth in the train and everything. As you can see

[48:03] from the list, we had um a machinist, mechanics,

[48:07] uh we had a boiler maker, we have logistics and historians here. They're

[48:12] going to give us a report on all their suggestions on how to prevent any more

[48:18] decay and how to preserve it. >> Mhm.

[48:21] » Um and any corrections we need to do to bring it back up to restoration. Um, on

[48:26] that note, Derek brought up, so originally we were going to do a grant

[48:30] to try to restore Kit Carson Park. I, and Derek is the one that brought it

[48:36] up. We thought maybe possibly we want to switch that to the grant, a grant to

[48:41] restore the train uh, after we get the information from

[48:46] the restoration >> because the grants are competitive,

[48:49] » very competitive. So having a report from historians might help boost our

[48:54] options on getting more. >> So we have a better option.

[48:57] » We have a better choice than doing >> although was was the band shelter

[49:03] donated by the Sisters of the American Revolution or just the park?

[49:08] » I'm not sure. We'd have to do some research on that part. We haven't done a

[49:11] lot of research on it. We hadn't started yet because we hadn't landmarked it

[49:15] » or Daughters of the American. I'm sorry. We'd have to look to see what

[49:18] information we have on it. Just a Oh man, we lost our historian at the

[49:23] library. >> Oh man,

[49:25] » he would have been the best. >> So, I've got a question.

[49:29] » Mhm. >> Why

[49:32] Why would we be going after the same grants?

[49:35] » So, History Colorado does a grant in October. It is a um highly competitive

[49:42] grant for restoration and it is like the highest

[49:49] cost value. Okay. >> We get the most for that one. We can get

[49:52] micro ones year round. >> Could we look for a different source for

[49:56] the I feel like the train >> we might be able to get and that's one

[50:00] thing that they're going to provide too and I that is an option. um when she

[50:04] does give us the report, she said that there will be um suggestions on where to

[50:10] get funding too. >> And they say that there were grants

[50:12] specifically available for projects like this.

[50:16] » I'll ask Jennifer, >> right?

[50:18] » Yeah. Amrak or something. >> Yeah, I can ask Jennifer.

[50:22] » It was just a suggestion just because we were looking cuz I'm I'm going to be

[50:25] hitting the date for putting the letter of intent out for the grant and I needed

[50:30] to make sure I finalized which direction we were going to go. So, do we do we

[50:35] need to vote on that next meeting or >> Yeah, we would have to vote on the next

[50:38] meeting because I I think it's at the end of October is my letter of intent I

[50:43] have to give it. >> Okay. I'd like to know if there's other

[50:45] places that I could have sworn they said that there were

[50:48] » I can check specific to this that were available.

[50:51] » Yeah. And nobody took Tom's place over there.

[50:56] » Not yet. >> Siobhan,

[50:58] » did she? >> Yeah.

[50:59] » I wasn't sure if she'd gotten in yet. that that is a whole different world

[51:04] over there from where I'm >> if the ban if the shelter was donated.

[51:08] » I can ask I can email over and see what I can get some information.

[51:11] » If it was I'm sure we could look to them for funding

[51:15] » probably. They probably like it if we can restore it.

[51:18] » Yeah. >> And I'm thinking for the the train stuff

[51:22] having Chris spearhead that would be great because he knows the most about

[51:29] the train. He's enthusiastic about it. So if we can help him,

[51:34] » he can do the heavy lifting and we can do the band shelter.

[51:37] » Every time you say that, I just think of him on a calendar.

[51:45] » The next time I see you, I I'll throw that idea to

[51:55] cal itself, bro. IT WOULD

[52:02] I I WILL REACH out to them um and see also on the U time frame on how long

[52:07] it's going to take for us to get the report for her too. Like I said, they

[52:10] were here all weekend. So, poor things got caught in the in the rain.

[52:14] » Mhm. >> On Saturday.

[52:16] » All right. >> Any more on that or

[52:18] » No, that's it. >> Item C, historical markers grant update.

[52:23] » Good news. >> You guys read the email. We got four of

[52:27] ours got pushed forward out of the nine that I put in. Um,

[52:34] Baka House, the Fox West Theater, Waterworks, and the library. I am

[52:39] surprised though on which ones didn't get chosen.

[52:42] » Me, too. >> City Hall didn't get chosen. The First

[52:44] National Bank didn't get chosen. >> Crazy.

[52:47] » I was very surprised on those two. Um but um as evident with they were not

[52:52] happy I guess with my suggestions on what to put on the markers.

[52:59] They said I wasn't um they want more narrative, not

[53:05] informative. I put down like what year that building

[53:10] got made and like who made the building. And

[53:13] » they want more history. >> More story. I guess they want more story

[53:16] cuz they gave two suggestions for the Baka House. Um cuz Margie sent these

[53:21] over. Um and I'm wondering if that's why the Baka House got chosen

[53:28] cuz I think Margie was in contact with the one of the people that were on the

[53:32] committee. But uh so and then I also have to get

[53:37] they want pictures on um where the marker is exactly like I had

[53:43] to put in like uh geo points >> really in the first initial one.

[53:49] » This time they want an actual picture with me to draw it into where it's going

[53:52] to be at. So >> okay

[53:54] » my my building inspector's helping me with that one.

[53:59] So I'll have that stuff sent in. Um, Margie also already sent me over the one

[54:03] for the Baka House with a picture of where they wanted it. So,

[54:07] » um, I'll have that sent over, but I just wanted to give you guys the good news

[54:10] that four of ours were chosen for the next wave. So, that's kind of cool.

[54:13] » That's awesome.

[54:16] » Um,

[54:20] anything else in the sister city, uh, DD sister city information? I g I did some

[54:30] more deep dive on this for you guys. Um, this is an actual like how you would

[54:36] choose which city. >> Oh, nice.

[54:40] » And I have an idea. Of course I do.

[54:45] » So say we're so surprised.

[54:51] » Well, let's hear Carbondale, Illinois. Because that's where the Rat brothers

[54:56] came from. Actually, that would not be a

[55:01] » It's not It's not Lisa in Switzerland, though.

[55:04] » It's not what >> Liser in Switzerland.

[55:06] » No, it's not. But yeah, that makes sense.

[55:11] » You could do both international or national. It's not there's no limit on

[55:15] which way you go. Um, really it's you're wanting a place that you can do

[55:21] historical change >> or exchange information

[55:25] » like come look at our buildings. >> Yeah. And we'll go look at your

[55:28] buildings pretty much. Um, the first time I searched for

[55:32] » definitely needed to be international. >> That's right. We want to go to

[55:34] Switzerland. >> I'm kind of on hills too RIGHT NOW.

[55:42] CANNOT choose international just because you want to go international.

[55:47] » Well, fine. That's not my official reason.

[55:52] » Funding might be a problem there. >> So, we'll just look over this

[55:58] information. >> Yeah. I I provided for you guys to look

[56:01] at it and maybe you guys can do some more research on your end on seeing if

[56:04] you guys can find some more that we can bring forward. Um maybe possibly next

[56:10] year we can pick out a city to reach out to.

[56:13] » Actually that's a really good idea.

[56:19] » And then um is that all on that? >> Yep.

[56:25] » I have a paper here. I don't know what it's for. It's not on the agenda.

[56:28] » Which one? >> The letter of support for the Holy

[56:32] Trinity. >> Oh, that's the last one. You're skipping

[56:35] skipping calendars. >> Yeah. Oh, that's

[56:38] » Yeah, we have calendars. >> I know. I'm saying I don't know what

[56:42] this is for. >> Oh, uh, that's because I got it's on on

[56:44] the agenda. It got added in later and it's going to be on the reports.

[56:48] » Okay. I was just saying I was just making sure that I didn't have to sign

[56:52] that or >> you No, you're going to have to sign it

[56:54] if you guys vote on it, but it'll have to be reports cuz

[56:57] » All right. Um 5A or 5e calendars.

[57:05] So, I wrote I made up a very rough draft. Uh, so we can pick buildings that

[57:11] we wanted to go take pictures of. We need a limit for somebody.

[57:22] » So, how are we going to do that? Like next year,

[57:26] » if we going to do the same buildings, just different.

[57:30] We could change it year to year, but uh we want if we're wanting to, we need to

[57:34] get this rushed out. We'll have to have the pictures by October.

[57:38] » Yeah. ASAP. >> So that we can send them in by November

[57:40] so we can get them in by December so we can sell them in December. So taking

[57:44] pictures. >> Where's the

[57:45] » This is what I propose. Everyone that we um landmarked should be on here.

[57:52] » Uh yes. Well, we haven't landed 12. >> Well, I know, but like

[57:56] » Okay, we can start with our land. start with our landmark building

[58:00] » because we have the historical information. We have historical pictures

[58:04] and it just makes sense. >> We don't have 12.

[58:06] » Not we have not land March 12 >> and it can kind of be like

[58:10] » close in the 3 years. >> No.

[58:14] » How many have >> I lied? We've land marked 13.

[58:19] » I was about to say. >> So that would actually be as of Eagles

[58:24] will be 13. >> Yeah, that's true.

[58:25] » So then the Eagles should be on here somewhere. That's next year.

[58:32] » I'm just kidding. >> You want to like do the them in the

[58:36] current state though cuz you know >> Well, no, cuz one of the suggestions was

[58:39] to do a before and or like Yeah.

[58:45] » So, we would need to make sure >> it's not going to look awesome until

[58:49] » they look bad now though. >> I think they rebuilt the corner.

[58:53] » Yeah. >> There's a serious problem in Trinad. Do

[58:57] they ever drive vehicles through buildings seems to be a common trend?

[59:06] » They say you don't drive like very fast. >> The Loves got hit already. No

[59:12] » already >> like literally after they opened

[59:16] » like in the drive-thru or No, like the parking lot like go over the

[59:21] » They had to like go around to get to it. No, they they ran into the building. Um

[59:26] San Isabel >> St. Isabel's building original building

[59:29] got hit. >> What?

[59:31] » The house on 501 short. Somebody literally went through it.

[59:35] » What did Rick James say?

[59:42] » Cocaine. >> So So

[59:46] » yeah, that's kind of what I was >> for the cover. I was thinking either

[59:52] like either Fischer's Peak, Simpsons Rest, or our new signs that are on

[59:57] either end of the city as you're driving in.

[1:00:00] » I think >> something that says Trinidad. That's

[1:00:02] what I was thinking. >> Fisher's Peak on the front, Simpsons

[1:00:06] Rest on the back. >> The Simpsons Rest says Trinidad.

[1:00:10] » Yeah. So, I would say reverse that. >> Yeah.

[1:00:14] » But which one's more iconic? >> Fisher's Peak gets too much love.

[1:00:19] It's just gets too much love. >> It does.

[1:00:22] » How about prospect point? Just kidding. >> Like gets no love.

[1:00:28] » That does get no love.

[1:00:32] » I like Simpsons on the front. Yeah. >> So Simpsons dress and then Fisher's Peak

[1:00:38] on the back. >> So are we doing 14 now instead of

[1:00:42] » Yes, I guess so. Cuz it got >> Well, usually like on the back it's like

[1:00:47] here's all the holes. That's what we talked about last time was yeah doing

[1:00:51] like a collage. >> Well that's we should have if for the

[1:00:56] landmarks we will if we use only landmarked

[1:00:59] » and I have a lot now because I work at the museum in the archives. So um we can

[1:01:05] get fresh ones. >> Do we find a place to print these?

[1:01:08] » Uh I reached out to three different ones. I got one in New Mex Raton cuz

[1:01:14] they've printed for us before Cedar Cedar printing here. Um I'm waiting for

[1:01:21] emails back from them. >> Okay. Yeah, I would need to know what

[1:01:24] size and everything. >> Well, we need I need also they were

[1:01:26] wanting information that I did not have cuz how many do we want?

[1:01:30] Um >> how many calendars?

[1:01:32] » Yeah, how many calendars do we want? >> Have you done calendars before?

[1:01:35] » No. Okay. But

[1:01:41] » um if we had that email list, that'd be

[1:01:44] nice. >> We have the email list for people

[1:01:49] register for a little bit. >> Well, if we're going to we can sell them

[1:01:52] and we can also um welcome center could sell them or um even space to create

[1:01:58] could sell them for us. >> Could you get a quote for 100, 200, and

[1:02:02] 300? Yeah, >> because typically the more we print the

[1:02:07] cheaper it'll get. >> Yeah, probably put them on consignment

[1:02:09] up at like and stuff too. >> Well, yeah, we get one obviously

[1:02:17] » the the art museum, whatever. >> Yeah, put them on consignment at these

[1:02:22] places. >> Don't sell them to

[1:02:24] » Yeah. >> Mutiny

[1:02:26] would sell. >> That's why I'm saying we there's a

[1:02:28] possibility. I mean, we could sell them, get them some most of our money back,

[1:02:31] and maybe even make a little >> Yeah. which will make my boss very happy

[1:02:34] after this weekend.

[1:02:38] » Next year it's yours. >> We gota call yours.

[1:02:42] » We gota call Chris. That's it. >> So if we want to do it technically we

[1:02:49] have 12 landmarked if we don't count eagles since we have 13 we do eagles.

[1:02:54] I'll have to look back and see which ones we some

[1:02:58] like so Arizona >> and 101 pine. I don't know if we want

[1:03:03] them to be >> They're not in very good condition now.

[1:03:07] » Yeah. >> But that's okay. That's real. It's real.

[1:03:11] » One of them is boarded up. >> Yeah.

[1:03:15] » So, like if we take those >> how beautiful this building used to be.

[1:03:19] » Beautiful. >> We want the ones that are like flipped.

[1:03:23] » We only land marked those two. Those are the only two that are landmarked on that

[1:03:26] corner. >> Just the one unit. No, we have No, cuz

[1:03:31] they're two separate buildings. So, >> yeah. Which one is the the one that's

[1:03:35] » we did? We didn't landmark that one. >> No, because it's not owned by the same

[1:03:38] owner. >> It's a different owner.

[1:03:43] » Okay. So, we can go with the buildings that we've landmarked that have good

[1:03:46] current. >> Okay. Firehouse.

[1:03:49] » So, so that would give us that would give us

[1:03:52] » 12. >> No. Well, no, cuz if we put Eagles in

[1:03:54] there, that will give us >> Yeah.

[1:03:56] » 11. >> So, firehouse number one.

[1:03:59] Eagles Hall. Um,

[1:04:03] » the theater. Fox Theater. >> We have Fox Theater. Library.

[1:04:10] » Should we do the train? >> City Hall. Oh, that one is landmarked.

[1:04:14] » That's one of the libraries. >> We should do the train. The water parks

[1:04:17] building. >> That one's not in very good.

[1:04:19] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[1:04:24] » Is it tatted or tatted up? Is it tagged up? It's tagged up and boarded up right

[1:04:29] now. >> We should do City Hall. City

[1:04:32] » I got City Hall, The Train, the Library of Fox, Eagles, the Um, so that would be

[1:04:37] that gets us to June. >> June's the next one.

[1:04:42] Um, Tom Murphy. >> Yeah. Ba House. You got that?

[1:04:50] » Well, Ba House isn't landmarkked, is it? >> It's not one of our landmarks. Temple

[1:04:55] Aaron. >> Temple Aaron. Yeah,

[1:04:56] » because Temple Aaron is nationally landmarked,

[1:04:59] » though not locally landmarked. >> Isn't that the annex?

[1:05:03] » I was surprised on that one. >> The annex

[1:05:05] » not landmarked. >> What about the first Methodist?

[1:05:09] » None of the churches >> cuz it's got a landmark or something on

[1:05:12] there. >> It's possibility that it's n or not.

[1:05:15] It's it's historically nominated.

[1:05:19] » Okay. >> Yeah.

[1:05:21] » Contributed is what they're called. They're contributing.

[1:05:24] » We have six

[1:05:28] First National Bank. >> Oh yeah.

[1:05:33] » I'm always an advocate for school district 1 and this year is our 160th

[1:05:39] anniversary. So >> I was at 160 when the town is 150.

[1:05:44] » Yep. Exactly. But it IS >> when started it before it WAS A TOWN.

[1:05:53] I'M DOING THE MATH IN MY HEAD AND I'M LIKE, OH,

[1:05:57] » but that's a fact. 10 years before the state became a state and the city turn

[1:06:02] became >> incorporated. Yeah.

[1:06:06] » So, are we wanting to do one of the churches?

[1:06:11] » Isn't church schools >> schools?

[1:06:13] » Well, I'm always an advocate for school. So, and I mean it has historic

[1:06:19] significance. Why isn't it a landmark? >> It's a wrap building.

[1:06:22] » It's not. They've never come. The school district is separate from them. They

[1:06:26] don't even come with permit for us. >> City. That's the state or

[1:06:29] » It is a state handles all schools. >> Could it be landmarked?

[1:06:34] » Yeah. I don't see why not. >> The building,

[1:06:37] » but I can't do it. >> It would have to be the school district

[1:06:39] doing it. They'd have to pay for it because that's By the way, I had to take

[1:06:44] out to bid our plaques again because um they went up $200. Oh.

[1:06:50] Wow. Okay. >> Last year was $800 a piece. This year

[1:06:53] they're wanting $1,100. >> We should just start our own

[1:06:56] manufacturing company. >> Right. Trinidad.

[1:07:00] » So I put it out. So I haven't gotten the plaque.

[1:07:04] » We could go >> that one just works is

[1:07:07] » which one just got >> the title abstract.

[1:07:10] » We can go fix up the whole break. >> And so yeah, I do want to use my school.

[1:07:15] I'm sorry. It's going to be in December. >> Okay. December is which school are you

[1:07:20] wanting? >> Trinidad Middle School.

[1:07:21] » Middle school. >> Can we?

[1:07:24] » Why not? >> What about that one in the college?

[1:07:26] Isn't there's a plaque? >> You're making the list.

[1:07:28] » I know. >> No, the the building the first building

[1:07:33] in the college. That one has a plaque on it.

[1:07:36] » What does the plaque say, though? >> No, it says that it was preserved.

[1:07:42] » But preserved would not be landmark. But we could still use it. I don't see why

[1:07:46] not. The college is important to the to the city. So yeah, let's do the college.

[1:07:50] » I think the college is a good option. >> Maybe we can push them to landmark one

[1:07:54] of their buildings >> like the Burke building.

[1:07:56] » Yeah, exactly.

[1:07:59] » And the the gentleman, the new president is really open for

[1:08:03] » Is he? >> Yeah.

[1:08:04] » Here's a fun fact also. When the college was first first began in 1925, it was

[1:08:10] housed at my school for the first 10 years.

[1:08:15] » Hey, that was small. Wow. Yeah. So, more significance.

[1:08:20] » All right. So, we have Simpsons Rest for the cover, Eagles for January, Fox for

[1:08:26] February, Library for March, City Hall for April, The Trade in May, uh Murphy's

[1:08:33] Building in June, Temple Erin in July, First National Bank for August, Baka

[1:08:39] House for September, the Temple or Title Abstract Building for October, the

[1:08:45] College for November, and Middle School for December on Lisa's vote.

[1:08:51] Uh what was March again? >> Okay, let's start go from the beginning.

[1:08:56] » Simpsons Rest First, >> Eagles for January.

[1:09:00] » Okay. Fox Library, City Hall, >> The Train for May, Tom Murphy's building

[1:09:09] for June, Temple Aaron for July, First National Bank for August, Baka House for

[1:09:15] September, title abstract for October, the college for November, and the middle

[1:09:20] school for December. >> Perfect.

[1:09:23] » All right. So, we're going to need by next meeting, we need pictures.

[1:09:31] So, pretty much a mockup. >> Okay. So, I have to be in class cuz

[1:09:36] you're the graphic designer. Yeah. >> So, I'll supply

[1:09:39] » What's our next meeting? October.

[1:09:48] » Oh, crap. October 14th. >> Okay. 14th.

[1:09:51] » No. Uh, September is goofing us up. My We're going to have urban renewal on the

[1:09:56] ETH, so it'll be split for us. send them before then.

[1:10:01] » So, can am I allowed to send her things? >> Yes, you can send one on one, just not

[1:10:06] group. >> Gotcha. Okay. So, I'll send you pictures

[1:10:10] then and now and like a little brief history.

[1:10:13] » Yeah. >> We don't want a lot on the cuz we're

[1:10:15] wanting the pictures to be the boom, >> but we do want to beformational history.

[1:10:20] » So, blurp is okay. >> Y Okay. So, pictures.

[1:10:24] » So, Lisa, that's going to be hard for you.

[1:10:27] » It is.

[1:10:34] shrink it down. >> That's a two statement.

[1:10:38] » Yeah, that doesn't mean >> it doesn't mean itty bitty word or

[1:10:42] privilege. Just less. >> We don't go We don't go before 11.

[1:10:47] » We don't have to use a magnifying glass to see that. She put in a lot.

[1:10:52] » It's so informative. Actually,

[1:10:57] we can just have the back just in there. >> Next January. What a time.

[1:11:05] » This is double. She's got She loves the history, but she's also a teacher, so

[1:11:10] » All right, moving on. Uh, new business any

[1:11:14] » Hey, I need you to vote on this one. >> Oh, we need to vote.

[1:11:17] » Yes. >> On the calendar buildings. Yeah. On the

[1:11:20] calendar. Yes. >> Do I have a motion? I'll make a motion

[1:11:23] to approve. Do I have a second? >> I'll second.

[1:11:26] » All right. Can we have a vote? >> Yes. Let's see here. Derek,

[1:11:31] » yes. >> Matthew,

[1:11:33] » yes. >> Lisa,

[1:11:35] » yes. >> Amber,

[1:11:37] » yes. >> Hill,

[1:11:38] » yes.

[1:11:43] » Now, can we move on to new business?

[1:11:48] » Can you have anything? Is that what this letter? No, the letter is going to be in

[1:11:52] reports because I couldn't add it to the agenda because it was already out.

[1:11:55] » Okay. I have no business. Anybody have any business?

[1:11:58] » All right. Moving on. Reports. Chairperson report. Um,

[1:12:04] so I want to know who's not going. You're not going to the to the thing

[1:12:08] with us, right? >> WHAT?

[1:12:13] » Are we interrogating them? Do you guys like have something you want us to like

[1:12:18] ask about or find out about or anything? >> No.

[1:12:24] » Cuz we're spending $1,000. We need to come back.

[1:12:28] » We have to come back a book report. >> I trust you.

[1:12:31] » 500 word minimum. That's right. >> Well, like I want to know how to start

[1:12:36] districts and stuff. That's what I want to know. Well, I don't know if that's

[1:12:39] going to be in this one, but it should be something.

[1:12:42] » I'm There's going to be people there who I can ask.

[1:12:44] » Yes, >> that's that's my agenda. So,

[1:12:48] » I don't know if y'all had anything y'all wanted me to ask or anything.

[1:12:52] That's all I wanted. >> I don't trust you guys to go.

[1:12:56] » All right. Uh, Commissioner

[1:13:00] » Oh, I did um I I attended that section 106 changes u meeting that you sent out.

[1:13:08] Um, they didn't have a lot. I mean, they had

[1:13:11] a lot to say, but it was basically just the federal government is trying to

[1:13:14] change section 106 to reduce input from nonfederal entities. Um,

[1:13:26] they said basically like during the comment section, you can try and say

[1:13:30] this is a bad idea. They would only impact us if um

[1:13:37] there was actually a section 106 project that came through to impact Trinidad.

[1:13:41] It's pretty unlikely, but you know that >> affect us speaking that we're a home

[1:13:46] rule. >> Yes. So it's basically if there's so

[1:13:50] like the interstate when that came through that would be section 106.

[1:13:54] » Okay. >> It's it's anything that's invol federal

[1:13:57] funding >> 12 or I27 is supposed to go through

[1:14:00] here. So if they're going to do any significant changes,

[1:14:07] » west to east instead of north to south. >> Yeah. So

[1:14:11] » So I27 is supposed to come this direction.

[1:14:14] » Nice. So we can go to Durango or whatever

[1:14:17] » supposedly. Depends on when it's going to actually happen. If it does actually

[1:14:20] happen. I'd rather have the train. >> I'd rather have a train that is

[1:14:24] supposedly coming this direction too. >> You want the train so bad. The high

[1:14:29] speed one or >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the one that goes

[1:14:31] that's from Fort Collins that's going down to PBLO.

[1:14:35] » I still need a train that goes to Texas. >> We've always No, I need my mom to be

[1:14:39] able to ride it. >> Well, that would be Would that be a 106?

[1:14:43] » They you have to go up to come over and back down. You cannot go from Texas

[1:14:49] West. >> The had to bring it here.

[1:14:51] » Well, but if they use track is a federal agency.

[1:14:55] » Uh I looked at it pretty extensively. I looked at the route too cuz I'm taking

[1:15:00] it through. >> So watch to see if that affects us cuz

[1:15:04] it affects our district. >> It goes like all through Texas. Sunset

[1:15:09] limited >> basically through.

[1:15:11] » There's just nothing in Texas going west. It just goes north

[1:15:14] » cuz Sunset Limited goes from north to >> So keep an eye out for that one. Then

[1:15:20] » something else to watch for. >> It's all Amra, but it's Yeah. You can

[1:15:23] jump off and jump on. >> Yeah. No.

[1:15:29] » Sorry. >> Something about people in Texas can't

[1:15:32] drive. >> My mom.

[1:15:33] » Any Texan. Sorry. Not saying you do, but >> you're not wrong.

[1:15:38] » No. Yeah. You're not. >> My My own son stopped driving for one

[1:15:42] second. Pulled over just to let the row of Texans go through cuz he got scared.

[1:15:46] » That's reasonable. >> Scared of Texas drivers.

[1:15:49] » All right guys, last thing just before cuz it'll be undermined. So this was

[1:15:52] brought to me by Lisa and Laura Debat for the church. They are looking for

[1:15:58] restoration of the steeple and they need our support. So I put a

[1:16:04] letter together. Um we would need uh Derek to sign it if he if we approve it

[1:16:09] and I can give this over to Lauren about. So, they're just asking for

[1:16:13] support because they're going to go for a grant to do this deep restoration,

[1:16:17] which after seeing the bill that they had to do for doing the pointing on that

[1:16:21] church, >> I'm sure them needing help.

[1:16:24] » That's that's the one Mike was talking about or

[1:16:27] » No, it's the this steeple. They're they're redoing Mount Carmel. That one's

[1:16:32] already being redone, but this the the Holy Trinity over here, the church,

[1:16:35] » supposedly they're needing to do restoration on the steeple.

[1:16:39] » And they're going for a grant. Yeah. Do I have a motion? You make a

[1:16:44] motion to approve. >> What's that?

[1:16:47] » Vote. >> All right. And so that's going to be um

[1:16:52] Derek, >> yes.

[1:16:54] » Matthew, >> Lisa,

[1:16:57] » yes. >> Amber,

[1:16:58] » yes. >> Hill,

[1:16:59] » yes. >> I didn't know you would say that. So,

[1:17:04] » OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT GOING FAST ENOUGH for somebody.

[1:17:09] » All right. Second.

[1:17:17] » Second.

[1:17:22] » This is the longest one we've had in a while.

[1:17:23] » Yeah, I know. I got a bell rehearsal now.

[1:17:28] » I I was like, >> I'm being inducted on the board for

[1:17:31] music. Oh, no.

[1:17:40] » Eric, I need your signature on this before you go.

[1:17:42] » Lisa, did she tell you how she needed it sent to her? Do I need to scan it? Email

[1:17:46] it to her or >> I have an email and I'll just send I'll

[1:17:50] just forward >> Yeah, forward me the email.

[1:17:52] » I have questions for you. I have a two.

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