[0:03] Good morning, good morning. All right, it's 9 o'clock. We'll go ahead and bring this meeting to order. Today is January 27th. This is currently 9 a.m. I appreciate everyone taking the time to come today. So if I could have Mr. Route, please lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

[0:52] We have some seats available for those of you who don't wish to stand.

[0:57] Next we will be our oral communications.

[1:00] Today, as you can see, we have a very full agenda, your board.

[1:02] values, your participation encourages the community members to take this time to provide comments

[1:07] that matter to county interests.

[1:10] This section is for commissar, not on the agenda.

[1:12] Each person will have a limit of three minutes per speaker.

[1:16] As I stated, this is a very busy agenda, so therefore we are going to limit this minutes

[1:20] available for 15 minutes total.

[1:23] So if there's a number of people that wish to speak, and there's a long line, I would encourage

[1:27] me to kind of moderate your how much time you wish to use, so we can get everybody through

[1:31] possible. Our 10 o'clock appointment has to be on time. We have a number of people, literally

[1:36] throughout the world that are going to be participating in this, so we want to make sure

[1:39] that we hit that on the time. More importantly, we encourage that all speakers respect those

[1:44] who are listening and those who are being spoken that are talking. At times, speakers may

[1:49] make statements that may cause a reaction. We wish to remind everyone that, although you may

[1:54] support or do not like an item that is being spoken about, no clapping or booing, and then

[1:59] Lastly, right on schedule.

[2:02] There's your friendly reminder to silence all of your cell phones, please.

[2:07] So with that, we'll start with the 15 minutes for your speaking.

[2:13] Hello, my name is Diana Borker.

[2:15] I'm President of Crystal Falls Association.

[2:18] I'm also on the Red Cross emergency response team for this area.

[2:24] So, I'm concerned about the firehouse 56 being closed.

[2:31] As you probably know, we have a large number of residents that are seniors.

[2:37] I respond to fires in people's homes that help them out in regards to the red cross.

[2:44] But also, I've seen people that are unable that are disabled and unable to escape the house

[2:52] and ultimately, there's people that are burned or hurt escaping.

[3:00] So, I encourage you to, on the half of Crystal Falls Association, which is close to

[3:07] the firehouse, 56, that you would change your regard to this money to keep this

[3:14] But I have over 100 signatures here at 970 online that want to keep this fire station open.

[3:27] It's imperative for our senior citizens in the area.

[3:31] Thank you.

[3:33] Man, did you wish to submit those?

[3:37] You either give them to Mr. Rude or myself, your choice.

[3:42] All right.

[3:42] Good morning.

[3:43] My name is John Flynn.

[3:44] Your political watchdog.

[3:45] Take a bright ad at crime.

[3:51] I'm going to make the opening statement from Wade Warren, North Carolina, and it's on Facebook.

[3:59] And it's America has been run by corporations for the past 160 years at underaventry and maritime law, US citizens under the 14th Amendment, or slaves.

[4:15] Now, land and soil of American state national, peace and freedom on check it out on Google.

[4:24] And there's a difference between the two.

[4:27] Now, my recommendation for Christmas myth is to have you pull a California at Will, fire him,

[4:36] because he masqueraded as a deputy attorney general

[4:40] at on February 20, 20, at 20, 25.

[4:45] This was over Nate Smith versus the people

[4:49] making a case number CRF 75349.

[4:57] Pro-per, and he-

[5:00] His last name is spelled P-I-C-I-U-C-C-O. Nade is, and he stated in his report, Nade is not competent to stand trial, pursuant to P-C-1368.

[5:19] And I showed up about 230 p.m. on December or on February 20th, for Department 5 at the

[5:30] last 23 minutes. I saw an eighth and Smith speaking where the Deputy Attorney General

[5:36] should have, but this case should have been taken outside the county.

[5:42] And Cassandra Jenkins

[5:43] what a known ed, and this in your administrative law clerk, Kevin Sebert, what have known

[5:49] that. And so Chris Rismitt is masquerade. This is all wrong.

[6:00] You were trying to keep the

[6:01] trying to keep it locally under Davis versus Walter 263, U.S. Page 22, Page 24, 1923,

[6:11] Stromberg versus California, 2A3, U.S. 3, 5, 1, or 3, 5, 9, 1931. You're doing it locally.

[6:22] It's got to go outside the county. For fairness and due process of law, I don't, I'm

[6:42] We should never have come to this point where we're talking about taking the station offline

[6:48] and moth mulling it.

[6:52] One time money was spent.

[6:54] You don't spend one time money to create ongoing financial obligations without having a plan

[7:05] to fund them.

[7:06] At least supervisor Kirk, when he voted to approve that use, it admitted the fact that if

[7:14] you didn't get the sales tax money passed, hard decisions were going to have to be made.

[7:21] Board of Supervisors has a long and time-honored tradition of kicking the can down the road.

[7:30] you've had three years to come up with a plan. The plan was, well, the safer grants

[7:38] run it out. We need this sales tax. You were told how the sales tax could be

[7:44] structured in order to get our support. We weren't going to like it. But if the

[7:51] guardrails were in place, we'd go for it. Instead, we didn't get that. The board

[7:58] went ahead with, oh, we're going to do this.

[8:00] The money's going to flow into the general fund.

[8:03] We saw what was going on with Tracy Griggs.

[8:05] We saw the board sitting at the time

[8:08] was a rubbish stamp for everything she was doing.

[8:12] The board approved it.

[8:13] Every position she handed out as a prize, all of that.

[8:17] The board had to final say, the board approved it.

[8:22] You too, Mr. Campbell.

[8:24] Now, when it's found out the roads that dead in, the cans up against the bank, our decisions

[8:32] have to be made.

[8:35] What we get from our supervisor is, well, we'll use one-time money, we'll use contingencies.

[8:42] We'll dip into the rainy day fund, that's not what that money is for.

[8:45] That money is for stuff like Chinese camp.

[8:50] Paul and me road where it's slid and had to be redone.

[8:53] That's what that money is for.

[8:55] You have failed a supervisor, Kim.

[9:02] I'm Kim.

[9:04] Thank you, sir.

[9:06] Good morning.

[9:06] Good morning, Mark Brooks, running for district 2 supervisor.

[9:11] Just like the point out, supervisor Holland, great job on the interview this weekend.

[9:16] I was really excellent to hear about how you and Supervisor and I are dealing with the budget.

[9:23] I have some hope for its county for once.

[9:26] I heard the alternative to the interview and unfortunately I heard it five other times prior to that, so wasn't too exciting.

[9:37] As you guys prepared the meeting next month for meeting with all the staff, I would suggest that you guys work on

[9:47] creating some kind of office space for grant writers that come together, so work.

[10:03] Thank you.

[10:13] Good morning. My name is Julie Fountain, and I live in Sonora. Three weeks ago, the board voted

[10:18] to close fire station 56. This vote was not announced in advance. In fact, the topic on the Board

[10:23] of Supervisors agenda was listed as appointments. 9 a.m. presentation by the Twomny County Fire

[10:28] at Hot Committee, discussion and direction to staff fiscal year 2627 fire services funding.

[10:37] There's

[10:38] to take place as to whether or not to fund one fewer station.

[10:42] Let alone the specific fire station that has been now slated for closure, fire station

[10:46] 56.

[10:48] If you, as the individuals who are supposed to be representing the people of Tualmney County

[10:53] had intended to vote on this topic, this subject, which is a topic that greatly impacts your

[10:59] constituents.

[10:59] Don't you think it would have been right to put a notice that the topic was on the table?

[11:03] How can you claim to represent Tualmney County if you cannot truly say that you have heard

[11:08] the words of the people.

[11:10] Two of the supervisors here, Mike Holland, Steve Gryfford, stated that the reason that they

[11:15] voted to close was that the county should live within its budget.

[11:19] And yet nearly $800,000 was been placed into a contingency fund from our calfire stations

[11:24] providing mutual aid out of the area.

[11:27] They refused to consider using those funds.

[11:29] Another excuse was saying that the people had spoken, stating that the county had not

[11:34] had voted not to approve a taxation measure.

[11:37] I believe they're talking about 2024's measure Z.

[11:40] Yet that measure was not specifically for fire protection,

[11:43] but rather addressed also, sheriff and road maintenance.

[11:45] It seems to me that the people were not saying

[11:47] that they don't want to fund fire protection,

[11:49] but instead that they did not trust

[11:50] their Board of Supervisors to use the funds appropriately.

[11:52] This is just one example of that.

[11:54] We have almost $800,000 to spend on fire

[11:57] and three out of five of our supervisors

[11:59] refuse to use it, let alone looking at using

[12:01] any of the rest of the contingency fund.

[12:03] In 2024, District 3 supervisor and NIA Kirk spoke in favor of a fire contract stating,

[12:09] it's worth it if it saves one life. Kirk also said it comes down to economic development

[12:13] adding, if we don't burn, we keep thriving, we keep growing, and we keep living.

[12:18] And yet supervisor Kirk, you voted to close fire station 56.

[12:21] Station 56 doesn't deserve the area in which it resides. It serves your districts too.

[12:28] And so, it's try engine travels to other areas as needed. Your districts, your people,

[12:33] will be affected by its closure as well.

[12:36] You're refusal to consider other ways to save this fire station will not only cost the county,

[12:42] but how many of us are going to lose our fire insurance?

[12:45] How many of us are going to be prided?

[12:47] You're saying no.

[12:48] Are going to be priced out of the market and you will lose the value of our homes and you

[12:54] will lose your constituents.

[12:55] It's time to listen to the people.

[12:57] Here are 120 signatures on a separate petition from the one that we've already seen today.

[13:02] There's another 953 as she mentioned on thechange.org online and there are other petitions out there.

[13:08] So please go back figure out how to fund fire station 56.

[13:12] Thank you.

[13:21] Good morning board.

[13:22] I wanted to take the opportunity to introduce myself to the community.

[13:25] My name is Robbie Bergstrom.

[13:26] I and I have the privilege of serving as the Park Manager of Columbia State Historic Park for the past six months.

[13:33] In that time I had the opportunity to visit a good number of state parks in our system.

[13:39] many are gorgeous, they have a beautiful view escape, and a lot of them have rich histories,

[13:46] but I can say honestly that none of them compare to Colombia.

[13:53] The truth about Colombia is that you don't only experience,

[13:57] you don't only learn about the history while you're there, you experience it.

[14:00] You can step directly into a Gold Rush era.

[14:03] You can shop at locally run concessionaires, you can have hands-on experience with gold,

[14:08] standing, stage-coach rides, and see a blacksmith demonstration, you can enjoy a meal at several

[14:14] of the different restaurants, as well as entering to a grocery store that's modeled after

[14:18] the Gold Rush era. What's interesting also about Columbia is that it's not separate from

[14:22] the community. It's right smack dab in the middle of a local town, and many people have a stake in

[14:28] what happens to the park. Not only the business owners of the concessions that I mentioned,

[14:32] but the residents, the volunteers that help teach people about the history and help the park

[14:38] the staff that's there and also the different partner groups that are there and I'm

[14:43] fortunate to be a part of it. So I look forward to working with the county to boost

[14:49] visitor ship to

[15:01] But thank you for the opportunity to introduce myself and I look forward to working with you.

[15:08] Thank you. So, as I stated in the beginning, we have 15 minutes. We're going to, this we are last speaker for public comments. I know we have, as I stated, we have a busy agenda today.

[15:18] So, Ms. Worth.

[15:20] Chair, I'm open to extending oral communications.

[15:25] I mean, we're here to hear those sort of people.

[15:27] I don't have any issue with extending in another.

[15:31] I'll only see three or four people back there.

[15:34] So, we're like 10 or 15 minutes, maybe.

[15:37] If there's a second,

[15:42] I'm seeing those second.

[15:43] Well, if it's just these three, no, just the one two.

[15:48] Because we do have a full agenda.

[15:49] And so I'm okay with one, two, three, four people.

[15:52] Well, I mean, I'd rather stay late if we have to, in order to accommodate the agenda

[15:57] and the people that would like to address the board.

[16:00] I feel like that's what we're here for and they took time out of their day to be here.

[16:03] And I fully agree with that.

[16:04] Unfortunately, we do have a very busy agenda, our tentacle appointment has to start at

[16:08] time if the staff wants to stay late.

[16:10] I mean, it's easy.

[16:11] But we do have our rules in place for a reason.

[16:14] So if the board wishes to vote for, so I'll,

[16:18] All the second four oral communications to go 1, 2, 3, 4 more people, okay?

[16:23] Otherwise, if there's no second for that, then yeah, the agenda says 15 minutes, some time with that.

[16:32] So the motion on my motion would be to send four more people.

[16:35] I like when you motion, but we just need a majority opinion, but that's my thumbs up.

[16:40] But if four additional, four additional people, okay, I'll go for the vote.

[16:44] All in favor say aye.

[16:46] Aye.

[16:47] Okay, thank you.

[16:48] All right, ma'am, thank you. Sorry for the delay.

[17:07] Steve, that was you on September 16th.

[17:10] A week later, in response to you bullying private citizens and collaborating with a known

[17:15] racist homophobic transphobic citizen, accepted your invitation to debate.

[17:21] After weeks of you refusing to give me a date, I scheduled it for January 24th, giving you four

[17:26] months advance notice. Eventually, you agreed to participate, but stipulated that you would

[17:31] only participate as a private citizen, not as a supervisor, even though you made that invitation

[17:38] right here in Chambers. I didn't, I accepted your condition because might issue with you

[17:42] as mostly your private behavior. Less than 48 hours before this scheduled debate, for which

[17:47] I had rented a hole because you had insisted on an in-person forum rather than online,

[17:53] you backed out. Thankfully, supervisor Campbell stepped up. The top of our debate was to be American

[17:59] greatness and I intend to highlight the role of great leadership in making liberty and justice

[18:05] for all in our country a reality rather than a hollow promise. Great leadership requires

[18:10] compassion, integrity, courage, and transparency. Compassion means seeing the humanity in every

[18:17] person. Integrity means standing by your word. Courage means having difficult conversations

[18:23] rather than running from them and transparency means being honest with where you stand.

[18:29] Your actions have fallen short of every one of these values.

[18:33] You've cited with bigotry and hate and you have recently abused your position of authority

[18:38] to intimidate those who have challenged you on social media.

[18:43] A screenshot allegedly showing a post from your Facebook profile is circulating in our community,

[18:48] a post-containing vile hate speech against transgender people.

[18:52] You've disputed its authenticity, but it fails to state your actual views on the rights of transgender people in this silence is a failure of leadership.

[18:59] So I challenge you to publicly state your position on the rights of your transgender constituents.

[19:04] They're right to serve in the military to access gender from being cared to be protected from abuse of incarcerated

[19:09] and to use public restaurants that align with their gender.

[19:13] Transparency also requires you to tell the public what you're doing to discover the source of this allegedly fabricated post.

[19:19] Have you asked law enforcement to investigate or the grand jury?

[19:21] And if someone is fabricating, defamatory evidence against local officials, we need to get to

[19:27] the bottom of it.

[19:28] So step up, demonstrate the compassion, integrity, courage, and transparency that great

[19:33] leadership requires, earn the trust of the people of Tualmi County, our trans brothers and

[19:37] sisters deserve a leader who will stand for their dignity, their safety, and their humanity.

[19:42] Because greatness is not a slogan, greatness is a choice, and it is your choice.

[19:48] Thank you.

[19:49] Thank you.

[20:01] Welcome.

[20:08] Emily Pardy, District 2. Thank you for the opportunity.

[20:15] I'd like to begin by saying that we appreciate

[20:17] sheriff's case professionalism and the training that he gives to his deputies, and especially in the handling

[20:26] of sensitive situations. I'd like to use the next few seconds to list the names of those who have died in the

[20:34] custody in 2026. Keith Porter-Junior, Harold Luna's

[20:42] compras, Luis Gustavo Nunez Caseres, Victoria Manuel Diaz, Luis

[20:50] Beltran Ines Cruz, René Nicole Good,

[20:55] How did he laugh? He bus such as Dominguez, Alex, Jeffrey, Pretty. I'm not mad at you. Are you okay?

[21:12] Good morning, thank you. Good morning. Patricia Ray, the dump behind my house, excerpts from my phone call with Debbie Larson, your environmental health director.

[21:23] Does the developers still have a pending permit from Cal recycle?

[21:28] He doesn't have one because he doesn't need one, code allows him to operate as a recycling facility.

[21:35] Debbie said the house can't be on the new hill, has to be elsewhere.

[21:39] We had already seen an earlier, beautiful building pad of green serpentine rock down in that area,

[21:48] and addition to grading over and over elsewhere.

[21:50] The stoppiles, asphalt and concrete, are not a problem reaching into the water.

[21:59] There is no dump liner. I mentioned a lot of old stumps. He can have stumps on his property.

[22:06] No fire hazard mentioned.

[22:10] I mentioned everlasting stoppiles. He has allowed to operate under

[22:15] exemptions of code is allowed to store, but not to do crushing.

[22:23] Thus, her air pollution control cannot enforce regarding this.

[22:29] Seament thus is not good to breathe, Debbie.

[22:33] No, cement thus is not good to breathe.

[22:36] She went on a little, that the field should be growing grass by now.

[22:40] I explained it's hard to see without trespassing onto the property, but looks sparse.

[22:47] Area that is growing most grass is the giant dirt coils right by my fence.

[22:53] No hydro seeding, Debbie.

[22:57] He probably did, but he can't do it now.

[23:01] More than once, I pointed out, fascinating as to what this is, among recycling facility,

[23:10] homeowner and contractor disposal site and ministerial under which the whole parcels

[23:18] been braided over and over, shocked to have.

[23:22] Yes, there has been fascination.

[23:25] We are in our fifth year now of getting the green, waning, unhealthy, heavy industrial in residential neighborhoods.

[23:37] Thank you.

[23:39] Thank you.

[23:42] Reed Anderson, also the neighbor of Pat Ray.

[23:47] Yesterday, Director Larsson returned to phone call

[23:49] to Pat, she informed Pat that the developer will be

[23:53] in full operation of his disposal landfill facility,

[23:57] but it's going to be called a recycling facility.

[24:00] I would think that that requires something

[24:02] like a conditional use permit, you know?

[24:05] It's a whole new project.

[24:07] Anyway, she told Pat that the state does not require

[24:09] permit to run facilities like Slateons, as is typical of Director Larson, she does not feel any obligation

[24:15] to enforce the Twollamy County Ordinance Code. Nothing, she's never enforced it. She says that

[24:22] she always goes for state law, and she thinks they should be issuing the permits, including

[24:27] site development permits and conditional use permits. Those are county jurisdiction.

[24:35] She doesn't do any research to any possible state requirements that are missing from the Slateon

[24:40] I have repeatedly told her that the state cannot issue a permit for the facility unless it has a site development permit or conditionally use permit.

[24:49] There's a longstanding violation of a copper SDP from 2022 revocation for exceeding the 10% of the parcel size grading threshold.

[24:58] you never apply

[25:01] So no compliance occurred. It doesn't take much to figure out that it's a spousal facility. It should never be right next to residential zone parcels. Nor should it be in a known, in a known creek drainage, regardless if it's seasonal or not. She agreed with the path of the demo desk, regardless of what it's made of. It's not healthy to breathe. There are calcode rags that prevent public nuisance and noise control that require at least a cup or a, or a sequo.

[25:30] Ms. Larson, either never looked or is an interested in compliance with local or state

[25:35] ordinance. This leaves the state in a situation where she's the local enforcement agent

[25:40] or agency, whichever you want to call it. She's the one who's supposed to be enforcing

[25:44] our county regulations, so the state can properly enforce the development. It is a development.

[25:53] She's not doing anything about her. The county isn't doing anything about her consistent refusal

[25:58] to enforce the law. This has been going on since 2021. We are not people. We are citizens.

[26:08] We're your constituents. Enforce the law. I emailed this to all of you. There are instructions

[26:14] on what boards should do to enforce the law. How you deal with the LEA that won't enforce the law.

[26:19] This is not my job. You guys need to do this. County Council needs to help. Thank you.

[26:29] Thank you.

[26:32] Good morning.

[26:33] My name is Mary Mackie.

[26:35] I was raised here.

[26:36] I raised my children here.

[26:38] My husband and I are small business owners here.

[26:41] I'm here because safety matters to me.

[26:44] There are people in this community,

[26:47] especially trans people that who do not feel safe right now

[26:52] and that fear is real.

[26:55] It affects how people live where they go

[26:58] and whether they feel they belong.

[26:59] Earlier this year, even our own district attorney acknowledged that LGBTQ residents in

[27:06] Tualami County do not feel safe and said that this is unacceptable and a public safety

[27:12] issue and that should matter to all of you.

[27:17] I'm asking for leadership to understand its responsibility, the words and tone used by this

[27:23] carried weight. They can either help people feel protected or make them feel targeted.

[27:30] Words that suggest harm toward any group damages public trust that makes people question whether

[27:36] their leaders see them as worthy of safety. My request is that the board clearly commit to

[27:42] the safety and dignity of all residents, including transgender people, and take responsibility for

[27:48] For example, it sets both in public and online.

[27:53] I would like to see the board make a clear statement that hateful or violent language toward

[27:58] any group is not tolerated in our community.

[28:03] I hope you will hold yourselves in each other to the highest standard of integrity because

[28:07] your leadership shapes what kind of community this is for everyone.

[28:11] When I worked for the county, I had to sign a form at the beginning of the year that said I would not post things online that would be inflammatory in any way.

[28:28] I believe that's a standard that was acceptable to me because it's a professional role that I play.

[28:37] You can't be a private citizen and being a professional role, Mr. Griefer, it doesn't work like that.

[28:47] We all live here, and all of us need to feel safe.

[28:52] And if you can say you didn't write it, and someone pirated your account, but no one believes

[28:59] that.

[29:03] So, please recognize that if you're going to talk, then you've got to be able to take

[29:10] accountability for that.

[29:13] Thank you.

[29:14] Thank you.

[29:16] Okay.

[29:16] That concludes our speakers.

[29:17] I know, I'm sorry.

[29:19] we agreed to the four so we will continue on again we have a very tight schedule today and I appreciate

[29:24] everybody. For those of you who did not have an opportunity to speak please contact your supervisor

[29:28] accordingly or you can email the board and we will get your message out. All right so next we'll be our staff reports

[29:37] do you have any staff reports?

[29:47] Just a quick update for the board and for county employees

[29:51] starting February we'll be using the new system to manage the agenda. This effort is part of

[29:57] the direction of the board over you.

[30:00] Here we go to look at efficiencies and processes within the county and to try to find efficiencies.

[30:07] Nicole and Heather have done a great job at looking at the cost of our previous agenda system and finding

[30:13] something that costs less and is more efficient and provides more tools that allow us to improve the process of putting

[30:21] together the agenda and providing that information to the community. I won't go into a lot of details, but I did

[30:27] I don't want to highlight one piece that we're going to be adding that I think is exciting

[30:31] for the community, which is it's a live meeting manager and it allows the public to see

[30:40] and it displays the votes as the votes are happening versus just being recorded by the clerk.

[30:48] So we'll be starting in February with all of our board meetings in the new system and our office

[30:55] is very excited for this to be moving forward.

[30:58] So thank you for the opportunity to share that information and we look forward to these improvements.

[31:04] And it's going to be used just by the board, but it's also going to be used by our commissions

[31:08] and committees for their agenda's also.

[31:11] So that's all I have.

[31:12] Thank you.

[31:14] Thank you.

[31:15] Any other staff reports?

[31:19] Okay, seeing them.

[31:20] We'll move into board reports.

[31:22] I'll go first.

[31:22] I do want to acknowledge that I failed to announce the last vote regarding extending and

[31:27] now is supposed to repeat it.

[31:28] That was 4-0-0, so for the record we had four supervisors in favor of extending the

[31:33] oral communications.

[31:35] Secondly, my board report will be, we had talked about having a board workshop on February 2nd

[31:41] and 3rd.

[31:42] We're going to postpone that for now.

[31:44] We're looking at March.

[31:46] I had a meeting with the staff, the CAO, and we want to put out the best product possible

[31:51] and having it on such a short time, is not going to do that.

[31:55] We want to make sure that we're covering all the bases that we're going to look at made

[31:58] march. So wait for that. And then, I think the other thing that we had was

[32:05] under contingent counters, so I'll get to that. Any other board reports?

[32:08] Yeah, I have a board report.

[32:10] Through Vice-Cample.

[32:12] Thank you, Chair. So I've chosen to use my board reports today to talk about two individuals

[32:17] that our friends of mine and service county in a variety of ways that our community lost recently.

[32:25] So the first is Colette Such, she's a former city council member and just all around

[32:31] great person, very active in the community from the time she was very young.

[32:35] She sold hot dogs down in Columbia State Park when she was in her 20s and worked at the

[32:47] council. She passed away in November in December and another person that has done a tremendous

[32:58] amount to serve our community as Jake Edminson. He's a resident of my district, a proud

[33:04] resident of Cedar Ridge. He's a local playwright. He served on a number of different committees

[33:10] in the county, including the access to all me committee. He passed away as well. So it was kind

[33:16] difficult a couple of weeks of Sega by to some friends and our communities a little bit

[33:21] poor for having lost them, but I really wanted to highlight the achievements and accomplishments

[33:27] of Jake Edminson and Colette such and more in their loss.

[33:33] Thank you, thank you for your visit, Kirk.

[33:40] All right, real quick.

[33:41] I want to thank Carol Hallett.

[33:43] She's done years of volunteer work up in tweenheart and for getting people fire ready in

[33:52] home-hardened and all that stuff.

[33:53] So thank you, Kara Hallett, for all your years of volunteerism.

[33:57] Also, I did attend class such as Memorial Service, and although I was speaking with

[34:04] another person who's in politics, and we were kind of on the same page where I think we would

[34:09] sometimes trigger each other because we thought things differently politically, but I attended

[34:14] because I'll never forget, even though we didn't agree, she was kind, and I appreciate

[34:19] anybody who steps up and doughnuts any other time to serve in public office. It's not glamorous

[34:26] and is great to be there. Also, in wake of the station 56, I did reach out to some insurance

[34:33] brokers. There was word that everybody's insurance was going to get canceled because of it.

[34:38] I reached out to some insurance brokers. I just want folks to know they advised that because it was

[34:49] employees have to be paid full-time employees. So if somebody in the

[34:54] community, here's something completely different from their broker, please

[34:58] advise. I think it we need to.

[35:00] We need to be very clear as far as the fair plan and how it's not fair and how the insurance companies

[35:05] are dropping people. And we need to not blur the lines, specifically with that station,

[35:09] because it was important to me to get those facts. I just want to share it with a community.

[35:13] If you do hear something different, if you're insurance company calls and says, we are canceling

[35:16] you because the station 56, please show me that and writing. And I will work on that on the other end.

[35:24] And that's it. Thank you.

[35:26] Can I speak to that last issue because I made some calls as well?

[35:30] I saw that you had made a claim that I was misleading people about insurance and I thought,

[35:36] you know, I should probably look into that more.

[35:39] So, I called the deputy director of the Department of Insurance for the State of California,

[35:44] and they confirmed that yes, indeed, losing a fire station, would increase people's

[35:53] Potentially increased people's insurance premiums and risk of losing insurance because obviously

[35:58] it would. The fire station itself, while it was not operational 24 hours a day, the engine

[36:06] and the staffing for that engine was available 24 hours a day and was responding to calls

[36:11] in those neighborhoods. So losing the engine and not necessarily the physical building is what's

[36:19] the impact. And I don't necessarily think that a local broker would be in a position to

[36:25] understand that because the way insurance risk is determined is not at the local level.

[36:31] It's at the corporate level. There are people in offices outside of our county determining

[36:39] what individual risk level there is. So I got a very different answer.

[36:44] Okay. Well, for the sake of conversation, let's not I'm just saying let's work on this.

[36:48] Let's I want to get your contact with the deputy director. We'll get in contact with the local brokers.

[36:53] And because local brokers are the ones who are actually writing the policies.

[36:56] I know they go that underwriting, but I would I would like to get a clear answer.

[36:59] So I'll work with you on that.

[37:00] Okay.

[37:01] All right. So if I was on.

[37:03] All right.

[37:04] So as I said, we have a very stacked.

[37:06] We have a 10 o'clock appointment. We have to hit.

[37:09] So do any of my colleagues anticipate pulling items from the consent with the exception.

[37:14] of item number 11. I don't remember 11 is going to be pulled. As you can tell, Supervisor

[37:19] Brandon is not here today.

[37:24] I know I'm asking you to kind of put you on a spot in the

[37:26] reason why is if there if it's something that we could knock out quick with public comment

[37:30] because I'd like to take a break at 9.50 so that we have the 10 minutes to set up the Zoom

[37:36] and the meeting accordingly. If it looks like we're going to go past that then I would like to

[37:42] down to you and I'll probably put public works on the spot if they're here, item number 13,

[37:47] which would be the name change by a mountain light.

[37:54] Nothing to pull, just one call that. Thank you, sir.

[37:57] Nothing. Supervisor Kirk. Nope, so we think we can hit our goal on that one.

[38:04] I'm taking public error taken in the consent.

[38:07] Okay, all right, then we'll go ahead and roll into the consent. Hopefully the longest part will be the

[38:11] items. Madam Chair, Madam Clerk.

[38:17] Item number one, approving a grant agreement with Health Net LLC to fund the population health

[38:22] management program, recognizing and anticipated revenue in the amount of $22,305, increasing

[38:29] appropriations by the same amount in the fiscal year 2025-26, public health department budget,

[38:35] an authorizing the county administrator, administrative officer, excuse me, to sign all

[38:40] related documents for fist vote required.

[38:43] Item number two, approving an amendment to the Professional Service Agreement with GEO

[38:48] Reentry Services, LLC, commencing February 1, 2026, an ending July 31, 2026 to continue providing

[38:56] Twome County Day Reporting Center in Jail Reentry Program Operations at a cost not to exceed

[39:02] $296,490 in authorizing the county administrator to sign all related documents, included in the fiscal year 25-26 adopted budget.

[39:14] Item number three, one, awarding the contract for child and family visitation office conversion at 12mg.

[39:21] slash IFB NPW-2025-0081 to T and S West, not to exceed $515,775 and 2,

[39:36] consenting to the subcontractor, substitution for IT infrastructure work,

[39:41] bid item number 10, included in the fiscal year 2025-26 adopted budget.

[39:46] Item 4, adopting Resolution 05-26, approving an agreement with Cal Fire for a volunteer

[39:52] fire assistance grant, the FAA, in the amount of $13,711.

[40:00] Increasing appropriations in the fire fund by the same amount, and authorizing the county administrator to sign all related documents for this vote required.

[40:08] Item number 5, adopting resolution 06-26, authorizing the county administrator and the district

[40:15] attorney victim, witness supervisor, as the grant sub-award authorizes agents on behalf

[40:20] of the county of Tmoney, at the request of the California Office of Emergency Services Agency

[40:24] for a grant in the amount of 314,710 dollars for the district attorney's victim, witness

[40:31] assistance program and rescinding 65-25.

[40:37] Item number 6, adopting resolution 07-26 for authorizing signature delegation to the County

[40:42] Administrative Officer and the District Attorney Victim Witness Supervisor is the Grant

[40:47] Civil Award authorized agent on behalf of the County of Tualony at the request of the California

[40:52] Office of Emergency Services Agency.

[40:55] For the California Office of Emergency Services, Child Advocacy's Advocacy Centers,

[41:00] KC, excuse me, program for the grant period of April 1, 2025 through March 31, 2026, and

[41:08] rescinding resolution 105-24.

[41:11] Item 7, adopting resolution 08-26, authorizing the county administrator and the District Attorney

[41:17] Victim Witness Supervisor is the grant sub-word authorized agents on behalf of the county

[41:21] at the request of the California Office of Emergency Services Agency for the California Office of Emergency Services,

[41:28] Child Advocacy Centers, KC Program, for the grant period of April 01, 2026 through March 31, 2027,

[41:36] and rescinding resolution 89-25.

[41:41] Item number 8, approving the re-appointment of Shelley Munez as the District 2 representative

[41:45] and Stephanie Foster is the District 4 representative, and Eric and excuse me, Larry Brinnell,

[41:51] as the local service provider representative, with terms expiring April 6, 2027 to the

[41:57] Tual and County Homelessness Committee. Item number 9, adopting Resolution 09-26, accepting

[42:03] claims for excess proceeds from sales of tax-defaulted properties and authorizing distribution

[42:08] of excess proceeds from the sales.

[42:13] Item number 10, 1, approving the award of contracts for

[42:17] on call-solid waste and recycling consulting services to our three consulting group, Inc.

[42:22] and H.F. and H. Consultants L.L.C. in the amount not to exceed $250,000 each and

[42:29] two, delegating signature authority to the Director of Public Works for task orders issued

[42:34] under said contracts, included in the fiscal year 25-26 adopted budget.

[42:41] All right. Thank you. All right. There was a board.

[42:44] Comments?

[42:45] Just to comment on number eight.

[42:47] So the approval.

[42:48] Reappointment of the three representatives for 2020 County Homeless Committee.

[42:53] Just want to thank Shelly Minis, Labor Nell, and Stephanie Foster for their service up

[42:59] to this point.

[43:00] They're all three heavy hitter hardworking engaged members of that committee.

[43:05] So I'm really glad that they decided to re-up their service on the Homelessness Committee

[43:11] because I don't know.

[43:12] We would do without them.

[43:13] So I just wanted to thank those three people,

[43:15] Shelley, Larry, and Stephanie.

[43:18] Thank you.

[43:19] Do you guys are honed?

[43:22] My question is for County Council.

[43:24] Can we just, instead of having a reading entire thing,

[43:27] can we just say the consent calendar has presented

[43:30] so that way in case of where we just misspoke

[43:31] and we don't have to redo it about later?

[43:34] Different counties handle that differently.

[43:37] I do not think there is a legal requirement

[43:39] that all the consent items be read in,

[43:41] unless there's something on the consent

[43:44] like a ordinance or something that would require reading or a waiver of the reading.

[43:49] I know it's not for today, but maybe we take up making a change, but that's all I got on that.

[43:54] Among those lines, if I may, we have been talking about this kind of one of the things I wanted to bring forward,

[43:58] is to streamline our meetings a little bit quicker, there have been questions about,

[44:02] it's a lot of data to read, it's a lot of things we appreciate you taking the time to do that,

[44:06] but sometimes things get confused, so we just want to make sure that going forward,

[44:10] that and we can just say we're going to approve the consent account calendar, very sorry,

[44:13] we're going to acknowledge the items and then we can discuss for instance, you know,

[44:17] at a county that I served in Fresno County, they would have 50 to 90 items on the consent

[44:23] calendar and big counties like LA probably have hundreds if you took the time to actually read

[44:29] all those, it wouldn't be possible. I appreciate the comment there. We know that we're working

[44:36] Yeah, and you know just also speak to that we pretty much everything you can think of to streamline the agenda

[44:43] We have tried at one point or another and that is one of them the the issue was never the reading of of the agenda

[44:50] Although I understand the point of if something's not right correctly because if you look I mean that took maybe you know less than five minutes or so

[44:58] The issue was that

[45:01] And that's usually what makes the consent take longer than it does in other counties or really probably should. So that kind of comes at the, at the CEO level where figuring out what should be on consent, what should be a regular agenda item is something I think we've always kind of struggled with. So that's just kind of my two cents.

[45:23] Yeah, no, I mean, the ironic thing is that we're talking about a standard gender, which is not

[45:27] under a standard gender discussion, so we can throw that on there for later discussions.

[45:31] So I appreciate those comments.

[45:33] The point was raising up, I solved my put a lot of thought into two, so I couldn't resist that.

[45:38] Yeah, no, I appreciate that interaction.

[45:41] That's correct.

[45:41] Do you guys agree?

[45:43] Any comments?

[45:45] No?

[45:45] All right.

[45:45] We'll open it up to the members of the public.

[45:49] Anybody wish to speak on any of these items, these 10 items?

[45:52] have three minutes.

[45:56] I just want to say I'm in support of item number two with

[46:00] GRE entry services. I'm very impressed with the work that you do and in their

[46:05] new facility that they moved into last year they are very open to giving

[46:09] tours. So if anyone would like to see what it is they do or talk with them they

[46:14] are very open to that. Thank you.

[46:21] Good morning Board, Patrick Spink, district

[46:23] attorney's office. I'm here today to clear up any potential confusion regarding items five through seven.

[46:31] These resolutions are replacing prior resolutions of that name, the victim witness supervisor by name.

[46:38] She's no longer with our office, so these are replacing her name with her title, which will allow me to manage

[46:43] those grants in the meantime until we find a new victim witness supervisor.

[46:48] Thank you. Thank

[46:54] you. Any other public comment?

[46:56] Seeing that, I'll call for the vote. Move to proof, consent.

[47:01] Second.

[47:02] Second.

[47:02] All second.

[47:03] Super, as Campbell, first.

[47:04] Super, there's a home.

[47:05] Second. All in favor say aye.

[47:08] No opposed.

[47:09] No abstention.

[47:10] So the vote is 4000.

[47:12] All right.

[47:12] At this time, we're going to take a break until 10 o'clock.

[47:16] So we can get our items or our zoom set up and all of the meeting.

[47:19] Information ready for the next meeting.

[47:20] So we'll take a 15-ish meet the minute break.

[47:25] Okay.

[47:26] Wait for us who has a current but what we do that will do the housekeeping. So my intent is to take the tannic

[47:30] Cock appointment and then we'll take the 930 appointment and then we'll do I don't know 15 which is the

[47:39] With health and human services. I know a number of you are here to talk about that. So

[47:43] staff just kind of know what the game plan is. So my goal is to take again the 10 o'clock then 930 then number 15

[47:50] Which is the health and human services regarding

[47:54] That topic

[47:56] with that being said. Please read number the ten o'clock appointment.

[48:02] Penning and consideration and an adoption of resolution number 12-26 adopting findings and decision

[48:10] as directed after the public hearing on application for fair rate of return under

[48:15] 12 county ordinance code 5.28.070 filed by the Milville estate's mobile home park located at

[48:22] 717 Milville-Auro James Town, California, 95327, are all turnatively consideration and adoption

[48:30] of resolution number 13-26 adopting the same findings and decision as directed, accepting

[48:37] reconsideration for inclusion of a Kavanaugh adjustment for delay and processing of the application.

[48:45] Thank you. Turn it over to County Council. Good morning, chair members of the board.

[48:50] On December 17th, your board held a lengthy public hearing to consider Millville Mobile Home

[48:56] Parks application for a fair rate of return.

[49:00] Although the hearing closed, the matter is not concluded until your board adopts written

[49:04] findings in a decision, and that is the purpose of today's item.

[49:09] Before you this morning, our two alternate resolutions to choose from, exhibit a adopter board's

[49:14] findings is voted, one granting a $44.22 per space per month increase as a fair rate of return,

[49:25] and two denying the parks request for a temporary three-year delay or a cavernal adjustment

[49:31] of $22.59. The alternate resolution exhibit B grants the same fair rate of return increase,

[49:40] Accept if you're bored, reconsider the cabinet adjustment as Dr. Bart recommends as a temporary

[49:47] three-year adjustment of $8.18 which is based on the six-month delay.

[50:01] $41,775 spread over 36 months, and 155 spaces at 7% interest. As further explanation, when your board

[50:11] moved and voted to deny the cabinet adjustment, we believe your board should have been informed

[50:16] of the consequences. Which, if the park is entitled to a delay adjustment, the board does not

[50:22] transfer that responsibility to the tenants who benefited during that period with artificially

[50:29] rents, the county would be liable to pay that cavernal adjustment. Therefore, Dr. Barnar

[50:35] Office recommend your board adopt resolution and exhibit B, which reconsideres and imposes

[50:41] the cavernal adjustment with the fair rate of return. Dr. Barnar and our outside council

[50:46] Alex Limeo are remotely appearing to answer any questions.

[50:53] Okay. I appreciate that. And the reason we really wanted to stick on this is because one

[50:57] of the people talking on this is in Australia, correct? I believe so.

[51:01] So we're trying to make sure that we're taking care of everyone's time and being respectful.

[51:06] So with that being said, I'll open it up to the board in the comments.

[51:09] Questions?

[51:10] But I have a question.

[51:11] What is the total of that that we're supposedly on the hook for?

[51:17] If the park folks don't pay that the county would be on the hook.

[51:20] approximately 41,000, 41,000.

[51:23] So I'm bringing my computer.

[51:27] That correct, 41.

[51:28] Correct.

[51:29] And if six months is the length of time, that would be $41,000, $75.

[51:40] And good morning, Doug.

[51:42] Work members.

[51:43] This is Alex Selmue.

[51:44] I'm the attorney who's been assisting the county with this application.

[51:49] And first of all, thank you very much for hearing this first.

[51:52] I'm actually in downtown Los Angeles at a jury trial.

[51:57] So I'm fitting it on the roof of this building, quickly trying to do this.

[52:01] everything is as Mr. Smith described it. We just wanted to come back to the board to make

[52:08] sure the board was fully informed about the concept of the Cavanaugh adjustment because it's

[52:16] something that was addressed very briefly as part of a larger hearing in the context of December.

[52:24] So just to briefly explain it, the purpose of the Cavanaugh adjustment is to compensate the

[52:30] work owner for the amount of money that it would have been entitled to had the application

[52:38] in process without any delay. Without the cabinet adjustment, the park residents would

[52:44] essentially get a windfall as a result of any delays in processing of the application.

[52:51] The purpose of the cabinet adjustment is not to have the county assumed the cost, it's

[52:57] have that cost be accounted for as part of the running

[53:02] increase that's applied to the tenants.

[53:04] So that amount, we didn't have the figure for you

[53:09] with December hearing.

[53:11] We do now, the total amount is approximately $35,000.

[53:16] That comes out to about $8 a month per per president.

[53:21] So our recommendation is, first and foremost,

[53:26] that the board adopts Dr. Bars' report is its findings and fall, including applying the

[53:34] cavernaw adjustment in doing so in the normal manner where it's passed through to the

[53:40] tenants. If the board doesn't wish to do that, instead wishes to have the county assume that

[53:49] costs, that's the secondary option, and now we can present to you the fact that that total amount

[53:55] going to be in the 40 to 45,000 dollar range as a secondary option.

[54:01] Whatever the board decides to do, it should be based on substantial evidence, such as the

[54:07] information contained in Dr. Bars Report.

[54:10] Dr. Bars is here on the line to answer any questions you might have about the substance

[54:16] of this report.

[54:19] Okay, my colleagues, do you guys are in Campbell?

[54:26] Thank you, Mr. Lemue. The one thing that I was doing a little

[54:30] reading about these Kavanaugh rules, the, we're going off of the mobile home park owners number

[54:43] in terms of the days or the timeline that it was delayed because of the county, is that

[54:49] correct.

[54:53] That's not quite correct, but I think um...

[55:00] Anywhere he arrived at the number?

[55:02] Yeah, because the question is, what is a reasonable estimate of time that it takes to process

[55:09] these kind of documents for accounting like ours that has essentially never done this or we

[55:14] haven't done this in many, many decades. Nobody that works or currently has ever processed

[55:18] these kind of fair rate of return requests before. What is a reasonable amount of time for that?

[55:28] documents to be processed. And my concern as it is now as it was during hearing is that if we

[55:36] open that door, if we say the county has to process things in two weeks or three weeks or whatever

[55:42] it is, that that's going to be applied to every single permit that comes to the county. Anything that

[55:48] gets delayed is the county now, culpable for that cost of the delay. I'm worried about this being

[55:54] extrapolated out to every type of permit that comes to the county because there are a variety

[55:59] of reasons why permits might be delayed, some justified and some not. And so are we going

[56:05] to now have to look into every single one of those applications to see whether or not they're

[56:09] entitled to a Kavanaugh reimbursement or whatever you'd call it?

[56:16] The short answer to your question is absolutely not. This only applies in the context of the

[56:26] for every other type of permit application whatsoever.

[56:31] They may be subject to their own rules regarding reasonableness of delays, but this doesn't

[56:39] set any kind of precedent or create any kind of standard outside of the realm of mobile

[56:44] home park fair rate of return application.

[56:48] Having said that, I think Dr. Bars should speak to how we arrived at the number for the

[56:52] reasonable amount of the way. Yeah, that's what I don't want to want to know essentially is what

[56:58] is a reasonable amount of time to process this kind of thing. Given the context of everything

[57:07] that we've already talked about. Okay, and you hear me? As I said, he's coming from us. I was going

[57:15] to say that. I was waiting for this set up. I was waiting for him to come on. You're a little

[57:20] sideways with us, sir. It looks like he's at the equator, I said. I don't know what to do about

[57:24] video, I know, but you can hear me? And the southern hemisphere zooms. I fully get it.

[57:31] Great. The Korean all is perfect. Dr. Varve, I think if I may, my colleague's question is,

[57:37] what is, how was it determined that what reasonable time of delay? How's that determined?

[57:45] No, I can hear you clearly. Can you hear me? Yes.

[57:49] Okay, great. Okay, there is no rule. I mean, because most, you know, there are a lot

[57:57] hundred different cities of mobile home park, grant regulation, they take different

[58:01] amounts of times to process their applications. What I felt was here was the situation

[58:09] was for the first about five or six months. The county didn't quite know what to do with

[58:20] the application and then starting in June, things started to move. I found a reasonable

[58:27] fashion. But this process has taken a year and I estimated that six months of delay was

[58:37] more than should have occurred. The park on her claim that she'd be a 10 month, I think was

[58:43] a 10 month claim of delay, but I didn't think that was reasonable. But as I said, there's

[58:49] no firm rule about this, but this will have been reasonable. And I also want to Mr. Look News

[58:56] been talking about the Cavana adjustment. Understand, if this had been processed, you know, starting

[59:02] in January rather waiting till June. The application came in in January, but it wasn't really

[59:08] processed till June. The residents would have had to start paying this ran in three six

[59:14] months earlier. But as I say, this is an estimate that there's no for our rule, there's no perfect

[59:21] measure of how much time it should have taken in. Thank you. And then the last question was there ever

[59:29] a promise made by anybody at the county to anyone at the mobile home park or any of the owners

[59:39] of the representatives of mobile home park that they would process this in a particular

[59:44] time line.

[59:45] Did they say we will get this done in three months and then they did not get it done in three

[59:48] months.

[59:49] Was there any kind of hard and fast obligation that the county entered into willingly?

[1:00:00] Probably try to answer that. Our office worked with CDD's housing division, which administers this ordinance. At the time we got the application, this was the first one we've had no existing staff has had experience with this type of application.

[1:00:21] And so we initially were trying to review it

[1:00:25] and determine if we had any resources in-house

[1:00:28] to handle it into a extent.

[1:00:32] And at the point, we determined that we did not,

[1:00:36] and we did need to retain outside assistance

[1:00:40] for it, locate them, and retain them.

[1:00:43] It was several months down the line.

[1:00:46] So it's not, I don't believe we had direct communications

[1:00:50] with the residents regarding that, but we were also, it wasn't a period where nothing was

[1:00:58] being done. We were simply trying to gear up for something we've never seen before.

[1:01:04] I just want to know if we ever oblige ourselves to get these process in a particular timeline

[1:01:10] and then we broke that promise. Not to my knowledge.

[1:01:14] Okay, so, and I can say from my end that I never made any representation of that nature on behalf of the county.

[1:01:24] Okay, thank you.

[1:01:25] My conclusion.

[1:01:26] Is the cabinet adjustment specific to, for, for, for ferry returns or is this, it sounds like we're talking specifically or it could,

[1:01:35] Supervisor Campbell's concern is it could go to a lot of other things, but it sounds to me like this is very specific to ferry returns.

[1:01:41] Yeah, that's exactly correct.

[1:01:43] It's completely specific to fair rate of return.

[1:01:47] I just want to emphasize it's not a admission of wrongdoing or of a problem on the county's

[1:01:58] part.

[1:01:58] The only purpose of it is to make sure, you know, the fair rate of return is mechanism for determining

[1:02:05] that the owner is entitled to have a rented a particular wobble and this is making sure

[1:02:11] to apply to a reasonable period after the application is process. That's all. It's to prevent

[1:02:19] the situation where the tenant's essentially get a windfall of free rent as a result of

[1:02:25] the time that takes to just go through the hearing process. That time, it's edgilling to be

[1:02:31] influenced by many things such as the county or the public agency, familiarity and experience with

[1:02:38] type of hearings. So, it's not some sort of admission of a mistake or negligence having been made

[1:02:48] to apply the adjustment. The reason we're recommending the county including Cavanagh Adjustment

[1:02:53] is in our experience that's going to provide the strongest possible record in the event of an appeal

[1:03:01] to uphold the county's decision.

[1:03:05] Okay. Thank you.

[1:03:06] Supervisor Kirk any further?

[1:03:08] Sing then.

[1:03:09] Supervisor Wong.

[1:03:10] OK, so one of this originally

[1:03:11] gets submitted the first application

[1:03:12] or it came to the county when.

[1:03:15] This is a life.

[1:03:16] I believe it was January of 25th, January of 25th, OK.

[1:03:21] And one did we hire Mr. Lummoot.

[1:03:24] Lummoot, I'm going to mess up your name, sorry.

[1:03:26] The other attorney,

[1:03:29] I would have to check.

[1:03:31] I don't have that immediately, Andy.

[1:03:33] When did we hire you, sir?

[1:03:36] I think it would have been an April or May.

[1:03:39] And then, my move would have been after that to retain Dr. Barr a few weeks after that.

[1:03:45] Okay. So within three or four months, then at that point, there was a little bit of back and forth with the applicant.

[1:03:51] We did after request some additional documents.

[1:03:55] So there was a, there was a back and forth process of asking for additional documents.

[1:04:00] That accounted for some of a few weeks of the delay as well.

[1:04:04] And we also had litigation commenced during this period.

[1:04:08] Yeah, they try to force it. Okay, so when was the last time they submitted documents?

[1:04:13] Anything to us to strengthen their case or whatever they were doing when you guys asked for something one the last lunch of stuff come in

[1:04:22] The last bunch of stuff came in

[1:04:26] My recollection and this is in the resolution it would have been in September. No, I even October

[1:04:33] October. Well, that's well, that's true. Okay, we

[1:04:38] Dr. Bars making a good point.

[1:04:40] In September, we deem the application complete.

[1:04:43] However, in response to Dr. Bars' initial report,

[1:04:48] the applicant submitted a report that changed many of the underlying assumptions

[1:04:53] in the basis for the application.

[1:05:00] We received you information for the applicant. Okay, and I believe our hearing was in November or in December, December 17, December 17, December, yeah. Okay, so if I get this right, they submitted it at the beginning of January, within three or four months of county, because we've never done this before, when I hired outside council to deal with this situation, you then hired Dr. Bard, do the math, and then there was back and forth going on with them saying that your application wasn't complete.

[1:05:30] So they didn't have a complete application until September.

[1:05:33] And then basically two and a half months later we had the hearing.

[1:05:38] And it sounds like some more documents came in one month after that.

[1:05:40] So I guess I'm out in our time processing if it was really that much of a delay or is it

[1:05:45] just because you want to have a hearing doesn't mean you're ready to go because you just

[1:05:48] told me their application was in complete until September.

[1:05:51] And then we need more documentation that arrived in October.

[1:05:54] So it sounds like everybody wasn't even ready until October.

[1:05:57] And then a month and a half later we have a hearing.

[1:05:59] I mean, in government world, that seems beyond.

[1:06:02] I'd like this.

[1:06:03] I'd like to comment.

[1:06:06] Go ahead, sir.

[1:06:07] Well, look, say they weren't complete until October.

[1:06:13] Part of the reason was the information requests that were coming from the county didn't start until July.

[1:06:20] They were June.

[1:06:21] There was nothing.

[1:06:22] They couldn't do anything more.

[1:06:24] They completed.

[1:06:25] They basically gave all the documents.

[1:06:27] they should have in the beginning, but then we made more information requests and they would

[1:06:32] have gotten those requests to complete it much quicker, let's say, put in the process

[1:06:38] theoretically right away.

[1:06:45] Andy, for the show, okay.

[1:06:47] I, you guys answered all my questions.

[1:06:50] I do want to say for the record that Supervisor Brandon, had he been here today, he would

[1:06:53] have had to recruse himself from this matter, so it's not that he's not here.

[1:06:56] He would have had to recuse himself from this matter, so for the record, with that, I will

[1:07:00] I had no one to doubt the public comment.

[1:07:05] If you wish to discuss on this item, we have three minutes to do so.

[1:07:08] Please come up to the podium.

[1:07:11] There'll be a clock in the corner here at one minute.

[1:07:13] You'll hear a beep and I'll let you know you got one minute left.

[1:07:19] As for the 80 team being passed to the tennis recommended by county counsel and staff,

[1:07:24] it was not the fault of the delay for the more the ordinance itself didn't have

[1:07:30] process in order in case a part owner came forward to ask for a fair rate return. That was

[1:07:36] part of the delay. It seems the process could have been put in order many years ago such

[1:07:41] as when the rate control ordinance was adopted. Also gathering evidence from both parties

[1:07:47] and analyzing to reach a clear picture takes time to reach a fair decision. The attendance

[1:07:53] had no control of this. Well, I do understand the County Council's concern about the

[1:07:58] of Santa Monica, 1997. Is there anything preventing IPG from not suing the county regarding

[1:08:06] before 42 recommendation?

[1:08:11] Sure, we're not going to answer it. We don't want to stop your

[1:08:14] role. We ask that the county council and staff recommendation A without the delay adjustment.

[1:08:23] And no, in the delay to me, it seems to me that it's part of the county's responsibility

[1:08:29] for the delay. I think it was part of the the responsibility of IPG. I think Dr. Barton mentioned

[1:08:36] a few times that he was waiting for papers and waiting for papers from IPG to get and

[1:08:43] receive them. And I don't know if that's the reasonable time is waiting or unreasonable

[1:08:47] time waiting. But it seems to me that the delay involved all three parties are two parties,

[1:08:54] county and IPG itself. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:09:08] As a supervisor, Campbell stated that, you know,

[1:09:11] the county is at fault for this. So in no way should the people be responsible for this at all.

[1:09:17] This is all the county. So they'd make that in a consideration. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:09:26] Any other?

[1:09:28] Yes. I agree with the gentleman that just passed. We are not unaware of anything that was going on.

[1:09:36] we have no communication with the managers, or the office, so how can we defend ourselves

[1:09:45] if we don't even know what's going on?

[1:09:51] I mean there's nothing that it was presented to us from

[1:10:00] Whatever this company is, or the manager, we just pay our rent when it's told to.

[1:10:10] That seems a little unfair.

[1:10:15] Thank you. Any further comments? Okay, I'll bring it back to the board. I'm going to lead off.

[1:10:21] Could I, excuse me? I'm going to say what you're about to say.

[1:10:25] Well, that gentleman, he misunderstood what I was saying.

[1:10:28] which is exactly what I was about to say.

[1:10:30] I was seeing that it wasn't the count of the count of the count of the count of the

[1:10:32] go it.

[1:10:33] What I was going to say was the county hasn't admitted that there was that the county committed

[1:10:36] any fault.

[1:10:37] There's not been a determined that there was any fault.

[1:10:40] So the interpretation that there was a delay that hasn't been established that a delay has

[1:10:46] occurred.

[1:10:47] So I think that's what you were going to say.

[1:10:49] But I knew you were.

[1:10:50] Well, ready to go.

[1:10:51] So the last point was that it's certainly not the fault of the residents.

[1:10:57] It doesn't appear to me that the county did anything wrong or that this timeline was in any way a shape or form

[1:11:05] Not reasonable given the material and the resources that the county eventually did put toward this

[1:11:12] And that if there isn't a fault that it seems to be more with the

[1:11:19] With the mobile home park owner that that's the way I see it and so other than

[1:11:25] This concern of of the appeal and making it making the offer more attracted to the appeal. I don't see any reason to approve

[1:11:32] I still feel more or less the same way I did when we had the hearing that I'm I'm I'm no I don't think that we need to be

[1:11:42] Making the taxpayers pay for this or making the mobile home park residence pay for this

[1:11:48] Yeah, well, I will go first a second time. Yeah, but I appreciate you

[1:11:52] kind of summed up exactly what I was going to say and I have a little flow chart here

[1:11:54] basically we're at a fork in the road.

[1:11:56] Is this a counter responsibility, right, is it or is it there responsibility?

[1:12:01] Did the county do everything that we could in the timely manner delay, you know, the process

[1:12:05] several times, as Supervisor Campbell, you probably agree with on our calendars, we would

[1:12:10] establish a date and then we could cancel it, establish a date and we could cancel it.

[1:12:13] So I don't believe that the county has been the delay in this process as far as the people

[1:12:20] in the mobile home park, you kind of got two groups fighting over you, and you didn't know

[1:12:25] this was occurring until it kind of came to light. And then, in some degree, you don't want

[1:12:28] that, right? You want your government to be acting on your represented government. So that's kind

[1:12:34] of why, if I may, you kind of feel like you were left in the cold, but a little bit that was

[1:12:40] by design because we don't, you know, we want to make sure that we don't have any complications

[1:12:44] of communications which could muddy the waters.

[1:12:49] So my last point was that I understand where County Council is playing at safe.

[1:12:54] I mean, that's kind of what we want to do, but I agree that the meeting, I'm not going

[1:12:59] to pass on the money to the people in the mobile home park.

[1:13:03] I don't think if it was us, I think that we should do the right thing as government and

[1:13:07] absorb it.

[1:13:07] If it wasn't us and the other party feels like they want to see us, I'm up for a fight as many

[1:13:13] of you know.

[1:13:13] So, you know, so I'd say, you know, my position is that we speak, we would be exhibit A, which is that we leave it as is.

[1:13:22] Do you guys are home?

[1:13:23] I got one more question.

[1:13:25] How much have we spent on all of this?

[1:13:27] Ballpark it for me.

[1:13:29] You're a time.

[1:13:31] The other turnies time is to bar us time.

[1:13:33] Whatever else, just give me a roundabout number.

[1:13:39] We have services of outside council, doctor bar.

[1:13:42] We have staff time.

[1:13:44] We haven't calculated staff time that could be significant it's tens of thousands

[1:13:51] It could be approximately 40 to 50 thousand dollars

[1:13:57] for contracted

[1:13:59] assistance

[1:14:01] Right, that's I guess the point that is something tells me because I know you're a Chris. It's probably that's probably a low number

[1:14:06] You don't want to tell the real numbers probably 80 or 90. I bet if I had a guess on all this

[1:14:12] I wouldn't want to say that would just be, I know, really speculated.

[1:14:15] By point, though, is the county is spending money to try to defend the situation.

[1:14:21] I agree with my colleagues.

[1:14:22] We all talked about this in the hearing that this is something the county has never done.

[1:14:27] Government has never known for getting things done quickly.

[1:14:29] I'm the first one to say, I hate the speed of government.

[1:14:33] But I think there was some back and forth because we've been hearing about this.

[1:14:36] Going back and forth paperwork and all that.

[1:14:40] I don't know how long it takes other areas to get these done that have never processed one of these ever.

[1:14:45] I mean not just like we do when every couple of years the answer was never.

[1:14:49] Or if it happened no one's alive that remembers it.

[1:14:54] So, you know, to me I just think that that's the same thing.

[1:14:57] I think we try our best.

[1:15:00] A lot, right? And we could probably get it done a little bit quicker now. We would expect to be a little quicker next time. Yes, but, you know, it takes longer to get a building permit than get this done anyway, so it's fine. So I think we shouldn't be scared of our shadows on the dark, and we just need to stay the course.

[1:15:17] Three of us occurred.

[1:15:19] Yeah, I think my explanation of the timeline helped me. I've been hearing about it.

[1:15:25] We were given word of it I think sometime in February I remember that maybe being for some of her so I knew staff were working on it

[1:15:32] So I thank you guys. I know we're down to some skeleton crews in there and we're hoping to reverse that. Thank you for your work.

[1:15:38] Thank you for being Council and I think I'll leave it at that.

[1:15:44] I if you guys know me if I think we were I fault I would own it, but it sounds like it was a in motion it's just not the fast motion that government works at so thank you

[1:15:54] Thank you.

[1:15:55] So I'll make a motion.

[1:15:56] Okay.

[1:15:56] And I just wanted to add one little bit of information to give context, so this case law that

[1:16:01] we're talking about, Kevin Overs is Santa Monica, whatever rental board.

[1:16:08] The delay in that case that's being cited was four years.

[1:16:12] And so we're talking about a three month delay, the case law that we're concerned about

[1:16:18] here was orders of magnitude larger delay than what we're being accused of or what it's

[1:16:25] called what you will. So to me, I think the county acted completely reasonably given the

[1:16:30] totality of the circumstances and I'm yeah whoever motion to make the second.

[1:16:36] I'll make a motion. We accept the resolution or exhibit a second. Okay. So we have a motion on

[1:16:44] for Exhibit A and Exhibit A is that without delay, without delay and got it, not passing it on.

[1:16:51] So with that being said, on favor say aye, aye. Opposed, no abstention, so the vote is 4-0-0 for

[1:16:58] Exhibit A. So thank you. All right, we'll move on item number, or so appointment number. Thank you,

[1:17:09] We'll do it afterwards.

[1:17:13] We'll go ahead and I don't 930,

[1:17:16] please.

[1:17:19] 930 AM presentation.

[1:17:23] Direction on identified projects and approval of adopting

[1:17:26] Resolution 10-26 for submittal to California's community

[1:17:30] Development Block Grant.

[1:17:32] Dash disaster recovery,

[1:17:34] CDBG, dash DR,

[1:17:36] allocation to Tualme County and designate in the County Administrative Officer or their

[1:17:40] designate as the authorized signer of any related grant documents.

[1:17:48] So you get away, whoever.

[1:17:51] It's just, I'm just looking at me as like-

[1:17:52] It's like a tennis match for you.

[1:17:54] Good morning, Board, Dory Beats, your assistant director, Tualme County Office of Emergency Services.

[1:17:58] And I'm joined with Blossom Scott Heim, your public works director.

[1:18:03] We are the two presenting this item.

[1:18:06] So I'm going to walk through it.

[1:18:08] This PowerPoint, I do have copies of this for you, as well as for the public and Blossom

[1:18:14] and I are kind of tag team here and work through this.

[1:18:18] So I want to talk a little bit about this, my little sticker that I've got a little bit

[1:18:25] about the program summary.

[1:18:27] The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development is funding long-term recovery efforts

[1:18:32] following the 2023 and 2024 severe winter storms. This is normal. After major disasters,

[1:18:41] HUD will have funding available for those impacted communities and counties for long-term recovery.

[1:18:49] As you all know, and just to remind you, we did have a lot of impacts from the 2023 winter storms,

[1:18:57] It actually resulted in two disasters, 46, 83, and 46, 99, but for the purposes of the grant,

[1:19:04] we are only eligible for those related to the 46, 99 disasters, which was the second storm

[1:19:12] in 2023.

[1:19:15] So Tualme County has been allocated.

[1:19:17] The disaster recovery infrastructure program, also known as the ifra or the mitigation

[1:19:21] resilient infrastructure, MIT, RIP planning program.

[1:19:26] These funds will be administered through the California Department of Housing and Community Development and, again, focuses on long-term recovery and addresses the unmet needs that other federal programs have not addressed as a result of that disaster.

[1:19:42] So there are two particular program categories, as I said the infra and then the mid or the

[1:19:48] rib.

[1:19:48] So infrastructure projects that can tie back to actual damages of the 23 storms.

[1:19:56] The Tualme County's allocation is fifth.

[1:20:00] 15,623,941. And then the mitigation, which is the resilient infrastructure and planning, does not require a tieback, but it has to be a mitigation project.

[1:20:14] Tualme County's allocation is three millions have 71, 6, 8, 6.

[1:20:20] Again, these are not funds we are having to compete for anyone and is an allocation given to us as a county.

[1:20:27] We must submit an application.

[1:20:30] The projects all must meet the eligible requirements of under this program.

[1:20:35] So this is the allocation total amounts that has been set aside for Tualme County.

[1:20:42] Again, real quickly, this is really the two different categories, the infrastructure, these

[1:20:49] are the allowable activity types, you can see the list, and then you can see on the left

[1:20:55] hand side, and then the right hand side is mitigation, again, those don't have to have

[1:21:00] a tieback, so that is the smaller pot, and it includes money for planning, also allows us

[1:21:08] use 25% of what would be our FEMA hazard mitigation plan match projects, which is something we'll

[1:21:14] talk about. I'll also really focus on capacity building activities.

[1:21:20] So general guidelines,

[1:21:21] these are just high level. They must benefit the most impacted and distressed from the 23 storms,

[1:21:29] which these projects do. And our entire county was impacted by those storms. It must be consistent

[1:21:35] with the project's jurisdiction local hazard mitigation plan, which is why public

[1:21:40] quirks in OES, we're kind of working together on this, as you know OES reviews and

[1:21:47] rights the local hazard mitigation plan on behalf of 12 counties, so we're most familiar with

[1:21:52] the mitigation activities and actions that we have provided to FEMA as a part of the

[1:21:58] requirement for that hazard mitigation plan. The budget must include total costs, other funding

[1:22:04] resources, there has to be an authorizing resolution, which is a part of this agenda item.

[1:22:10] All of the projects, so all of the money has to be allocated and spent and completed

[1:22:15] by July 2030, gives us a short timeframe, but that's really important.

[1:22:22] Also, must meet national objective criteria, again serving low and moderate income communities,

[1:22:28] or it must qualify as having urgent need,

[1:22:31] which is defined by a county resolution.

[1:22:34] That's not included in the resolution

[1:22:36] that we have to you today, but if need be,

[1:22:40] that's what we will come back to you

[1:22:41] and we'll explain a little bit more

[1:22:42] as we get farther into the application process.

[1:22:46] There is no match required.

[1:22:48] All of the audits have to be current.

[1:22:49] We have to demonstrate that.

[1:22:51] And I think we're in line with that for the end of February.

[1:22:54] And then the application itself closes the end of February.

[1:22:59] So we have literally a month from today to gather all of this, put it together,

[1:23:05] and then be considered for approval for the allocation of that funding.

[1:23:13] In the grant itself, so we are a subrecipient.

[1:23:17] Again, the money is coming to California Housing and Community Development.

[1:23:21] we are the subrecipients. They do allow secondary subrecipients and to find by a local government

[1:23:28] special district or other similar entity that would enter in an agreement with the subrecipient.

[1:23:35] That's us on an eligible project so they have to meet all of the same requirements.

[1:23:39] There has to be a moderating plan between the two HCD has discretion to determine whether proposed entity

[1:23:49] is an eligible secondary subrecipient.

[1:23:53] We did reach out to those entities that we felt would be eligible.

[1:23:58] There are three, and some of which are here today as well, if need to answer questions about

[1:24:04] their projects.

[1:24:05] But Grovelin Community Service District, Tommy Park and Recreation District, and the Twain

[1:24:10] Heart Community Service District, all have inquired and provided this project, scoping

[1:24:18] and dollar amount estimates for projects as a secondary subrecipient.

[1:24:26] So a quick list of some of the proposed projects, again, this is all for discussion and

[1:24:32] direction by you as a board, but there are several Twami County projects under the infrastructure,

[1:24:40] including Twami Road, North Reconstruction, Willis Springs, Culvert, Standard Park flood resilience,

[1:24:45] to follow me general building flood resilience, follow me, health and human services, building flood resilience.

[1:24:53] Match for some of the FEMA projects, which would be the county's match required for some of that funding.

[1:25:00] And there are some mitigation projects that we are suggesting, including Red Hills Road, low water crossing, roadside fields reduction for all of the county maintain roads, continuity of a government plan, which we do not have evacuation exit signage, and then also generators for many of our county buildings that do not currently have them.

[1:25:22] And we'll walk through some of these.

[1:25:24] I will say that there is an opportunity possibly, as we work with our technical assistance

[1:25:32] through HCD, that some of the items, the signage, the generators, could move up into the

[1:25:40] infrastructure category and not to be covered under the mitigation.

[1:25:45] We're still working with them on exactly which projects fit in which bucket best.

[1:25:51] The secondary recipients, as I said,

[1:25:54] a grovelin community service district,

[1:25:55] told me park and wreck and twain heart community service district,

[1:25:58] all have a project.

[1:26:01] So with that, I'm going to let Blossom take over.

[1:26:06] Good morning.

[1:26:07] The first project we're proposing is the 12-year-old North

[1:26:09] Reconstruction.

[1:26:10] As you all know, 12-year-old North,

[1:26:12] just north of Ponderosa Hills, was damaged in the storm.

[1:26:15] We completed emergency opening project,

[1:26:19] and we did phase one project to stabilize the road.

[1:26:21] The Phase 2 project is pretty extensive and we've requested funding through FHWA, but we're not confident that we'll be receiving that funding.

[1:26:31] So the total cost is about 4.5 million.

[1:26:34] This will improve slide resiliency and permanently restore the roadway.

[1:26:40] The next project is the Willow Springs Colvert, the main culverts under the entrance to Willow Springs.

[1:26:45] We'll recall that's a one-way and one-way out community.

[1:26:48] Our failing, we have applied to FEMA for funding on this, but again, we're not confident

[1:26:54] that the funding will be coming from FEMA.

[1:26:57] This will harden that existing crossing and restore the roadway.

[1:27:03] Next project is the Standard Park Flood Resilience Improvements.

[1:27:07] This is about 820,000.

[1:27:09] We have ongoing and recurring flooding there at Standard Park.

[1:27:13] If you recall in 2023, we had some pretty extensive

[1:27:15] flooding. This will evaluate the site drainage conditions and then develop final construction

[1:27:20] plans to address that ongoing flooding.

[1:27:25] Follow me, HHSA building. This is another one where we've had a flood twice now, pretty

[1:27:30] serious flooding. So again, we'll study the drainage and come up with a plan to eliminate

[1:27:36] that recurring flooding. Could include a physical flood barrier and then follow me general, same

[1:27:43] thing we've had that basement and the first floor flood multiple times. So, this would be

[1:27:48] looking at options to address that, including potentially a physical flood barrier.

[1:27:56] This is the

[1:27:57] Red Hills Road low water crossing. This project actually has received funding through the HMGP

[1:28:02] or hazard mitigation grant program through FEMA under an earlier disaster. So, the costs of

[1:28:10] 560,000 is our 25% match.

[1:28:13] I will say we're not confident that FEMA is going to fund this.

[1:28:20] We're working with them to try to get that final approval.

[1:28:25] We've made it through NEPA and environmental phase.

[1:28:28] We've got 100% plans and specs.

[1:28:32] But again, we're not confident on that.

[1:28:35] This is that main crossing and red hills road.

[1:28:40] And then other mitigation projects,

[1:28:44] roadside fuels reduction as Dory said.

[1:28:45] We've just plugged in a number of a million,

[1:28:48] caught in an idea of government plan 125,000,

[1:28:52] exit signs for evacuations, 52,000,

[1:28:55] and the generator backup systems.

[1:28:57] I actually have an updated number.

[1:28:58] That's nine locations.

[1:29:00] It would be 1.2 million.

[1:29:07] All right, Ease.

[1:29:08] So, as I said, we have three secondary,

[1:29:11] subrecipients interested entities and you have information about these proposals. I did

[1:29:19] add the third one in your packets and also made that available for the public here today,

[1:29:26] but the first one is Grove Lane Community Service District. It is a stormwater and wastewater

[1:29:31] infrastructure project at 1.5155, you know, 1 million, $555,000 as to

[1:29:40] made it cost improvements to restore essential water and wastewater services with

[1:29:45] strength and their long term resilience and ensuring impacted communities remain

[1:29:48] safe and functional.

[1:29:55] The second is the Tualme Park and Recreation District, also a

[1:30:00] Projects, specific to stormwater flood mitigation plan and capacity study. This is 352,200, planning level drainage study and improvement plan to study existing conditions with identified deficiencies that contribute to flood risk and really develop the conceptual mitigation strategies to find or to increase the stormwater retention, manage outflow conditions and reduce backwater impacts at threatened public facilities.

[1:30:28] And the third one, as I said, I included information from the between heart community service

[1:30:35] district is specific.

[1:30:37] They actually have two.

[1:30:38] This first one is specific to critical infrastructure remote monitoring in identifying

[1:30:44] those locations of major storm-related waterline breaks, focus on storm, clearing dangerous

[1:30:53] access ways during the snow, monitoring their sewer lift station levels, pumping patterns

[1:31:00] to prevent overflows, really monitoring their critical infrastructure, and this would

[1:31:05] be under the infrastructure part of the projects.

[1:31:09] Their second is specific to their cost share for a FEMA disaster 4699 public assistance match,

[1:31:19] and that is specific to both their cat-d and cat-seat projects

[1:31:24] where they had damages to water control and part facilities.

[1:31:28] Before we go on to just kind of the overall cost,

[1:31:31] I want the board to know that as a secondary subrecipient,

[1:31:35] even though these are their actual cost,

[1:31:37] we would be adding and you'll see that a 10%

[1:31:41] we would have to manage those projects on their behalf.

[1:31:44] So we'd have to have an agreement with them.

[1:31:46] staff time would have to manage all of the reporting and everything that is required for that

[1:31:52] for the subrecipient. Thus, we would have to have an agreement with them about that.

[1:31:58] So, here's kind of a culmination of all of that where you can see the dollar amounts

[1:32:05] in those different buckets. I, again, with the updated generator cost at 1.2. Also,

[1:32:13] the possibility of signage and the generators going into the left-handed column bucket, which is

[1:32:19] the infrastructure, openness, it up for mitigation. Mitigation again is the smallest bucket,

[1:32:27] and then at the very bottom, you can see the buckets of the secondary subrecipients in their

[1:32:32] request for those particular projects.

[1:32:37] So what we're asking today is direction on those identified

[1:32:41] projects if there's something that you would like us to add. There is obviously unused.

[1:32:47] There's some other projects that we want to go back. We do have a month with the technical

[1:32:54] assistance folks to really drill that down. Again, we have to submit by the 27th. We could come back

[1:33:01] to the board on the 10th. We do have a placeholder for that. If you'd like to see the final list

[1:33:06] before we submit everything.

[1:33:09] But we have a month, we want to start drilling down, finalizing.

[1:33:12] We want to be able to request all of the allocations

[1:33:17] in both of the buckets if possible.

[1:33:21] And obviously, we need to adopt a resolution today

[1:33:24] that would authorize the CAO for the signatory

[1:33:27] on any of those grant-related documents.

[1:33:31] Happy to answer any questions.

[1:33:32] And I said, we also have both Grovelyn and TPRG here

[1:33:35] answer any questions about their projects.

[1:33:37] All right.

[1:33:40] I'll let you guys see me by their home.

[1:33:41] Lead off.

[1:33:45] So we got about just called sci-fi million left.

[1:33:48] Basically, can we do more roadside brushing,

[1:33:51] Culver clearing and repair,

[1:33:54] since I would imagine we have a lot of Culver

[1:33:56] that are just need repair everywhere.

[1:34:00] Absolutely.

[1:34:00] I propose putting in between 500,000 and a million

[1:34:03] just for county road culverts.

[1:34:05] Could we spend all of it on fixing the roads?

[1:34:07] I mean, we drive on a road, right?

[1:34:09] I mean, that's a drop in the bucket for...

[1:34:11] 500,000 to 1 million just for culverts?

[1:34:13] Yeah, we could spend that.

[1:34:15] Okay, and maybe ditching along to get the water flow to the culverts?

[1:34:18] Yes.

[1:34:20] Okay.

[1:34:21] I mean, I like to see this put as much of that.

[1:34:22] I like the list, but everything else if we got extra stuff.

[1:34:26] Put it towards the roads and doing some improvements.

[1:34:30] All right.

[1:34:30] Thank you.

[1:34:31] Do you rather gamble?

[1:34:33] Nothing.

[1:34:33] My question is, this is kind of off topic, but it's regarding chords and roads.

[1:34:38] Awesome. I know you're coming up with a plan into the future something like the Idaho's doing every seven years

[1:34:43] So I definitely want to dump money in the culverts roadside brushing things we've been doing, but

[1:34:48] But I also want to I also want to plan that's gonna continually to you know monitor those to continue to clean so is there

[1:34:56] I just want to make sure if we dump five million into culverts will they be cleaned out

[1:35:00] Some of our conversations that we want to get our rotation with all of this stuff.

[1:35:04] We do, we have an informal plan already. The guys spend quite a bit of time in the fall, clearing

[1:35:09] culverts and doing roadside ditching. The strategic plan that you're speaking of will kind of formalize

[1:35:15] how we prioritize that. And then the addition of a couple of road workers, if we can get the funding for those that

[1:35:23] were added, will help tremendously.

[1:35:25] And obviously we can't use because I know we potentially lose two and a few months that correct the roadside workers

[1:35:31] I know there's funding needed for those two can this be used for that it's mitigation. I don't know

[1:35:38] Make an ask. Yeah. Okay, because I would like to dump potentially money into

[1:35:44] preventive maintenance and if we need to maybe double act of four road crew workers with this money and

[1:35:50] Give some serious work done and then with that plan coming up

[1:35:53] Yeah, we knew what we say. We're prioritizing these three things. So fire roads, long for us.

[1:35:59] Yeah, I don't think, I know that we had talked about very recently, last Thursday, for example,

[1:36:04] and I've said this at a few town halls, that I think the county needs to

[1:36:09] designate and this kind of goes to Supervisor Kirk's question point.

[1:36:12] Is that designate every road within our county and give it a designation.

[1:36:16] Primary road is a number one, primary, you know, a secondary road.

[1:36:19] Um, like, homeowner association in Wales Springs, Robin Grovelin is in number two and then a dirt road on the middle of nowhere as a number three and I think that's how we need to come up with that plan on how we're going to start addressing those roads because we can do all the rushing we can do all of that, but if it's we want to work on the roads that are going to be primary for, you know, commerce, primary for things like that now with that being said, I would like to see at some point either towards ferrying and or preschool to railroad come up on this list.

[1:36:50] I know Prince Ward's ferry is a primary evacuation route, so I don't know if that was, I know we can't do it this year, and so maybe we could just do that on our radar for a future year, on that was damaged when in 19, 2018.

[1:37:03] 2023.

[1:37:05] Okay.

[1:37:06] And we're actually waiting for FEMA final approval on those projects.

[1:37:10] So those should be funded through FEMA.

[1:37:15] Right.

[1:37:16] into those things, to clean in the culverts and things like that, working with our partners,

[1:37:20] like the Sheriff's Department, I think, is a great way to go, but if our primary evacuation

[1:37:24] routes are not usable, then we've got a bigger, bigger problem.

[1:37:29] So, okay, let's do a little more question.

[1:37:31] Sure, I just want to clarify, so if I'm looking at this right, like you said, 4.9 million

[1:37:34] left, all those other projects, which are listed here would be included if we approve it.

[1:37:40] A question I do have, station 56, do we know what the cost would be, because that would

[1:37:45] mitigating things. Do we know at the cost of being to turn that into retrofitted to where folks

[1:37:51] could potentially sleep there with the hope that in the future it would become a full-time

[1:37:57] station?

[1:37:59] I don't know. I don't know and I don't know if that would be eligible. There is a restriction

[1:38:06] on improvements to physical buildings and so and that actually came up in a call we have with

[1:38:15] yesterday, but I will, I will.

[1:38:17] We just have a side of it.

[1:38:18] Yep.

[1:38:19] Well, that's that.

[1:38:20] Because I, I had actually looked into this for that fire station, and that was a response.

[1:38:26] I got, I think there probably are ways that some of the money could be leveraged in a way to support

[1:38:31] that.

[1:38:32] There are actually other sources of funding that would be happening to about improving existing

[1:38:40] firehouses. And a lot of that depends on the firehouse being open in order to do that.

[1:38:47] So kind of such brought it up, Dory could these funds be used to pay for staffing at a firehouse,

[1:38:55] or pay for maintaining an engine to keep the doors open. I do not believe so, but again,

[1:39:04] And the mitigation is specific to planning and preventative, but I can ask that question.

[1:39:13] We didn't look at any of these projects to have actual, just only staff cost.

[1:39:22] It was actually something that you could touch and feel and see and change, but we'll double

[1:39:27] check and ask that question, same with the building.

[1:39:29] I'm pretty sure on the building that we're not allowed to spend the money on improvements to

[1:39:33] only owned buildings itself, we can do the infrastructure but not the physical building.

[1:39:40] I just wanted to clarify some of my said, because I said, can we use the money for road

[1:39:43] workers scratch that?

[1:39:45] I'd rather use the TOT funding that we're allocating.

[1:39:49] The 2.7 million.

[1:39:50] I'd rather have something in particular kind of back to our book.

[1:40:00] Projects, and then we'll use the TOT funding to fund those two or four positions. So that would be

[1:40:06] my recommendation kind of a same thing along with fire. If we could use it for the building, great.

[1:40:09] Let's ask that, but I wouldn't use it for ongoing cost issues staff. That needs to come from somewhere else.

[1:40:14] That would be my recommendation.

[1:40:16] Supervisor Hong.

[1:40:17] All right, one more. I know I thought it was good to list, but then I forgot about the continuity of government plan.

[1:40:21] Do we need to spend $120,000 to say, bubble wrap, Roger, and put him in a field?

[1:40:25] No.

[1:40:26] No, you don't.

[1:40:27] But it came up on previous ones that is something we do not physically have now as a government.

[1:40:35] And so at some point, you know, we need to have that. And is it 125,000?

[1:40:39] No. So that is probably one that would easily go away to help fund another project if there's no money in there.

[1:40:45] If that's your direction.

[1:40:46] Anything besides a study to say,

[1:40:48] Yep.

[1:40:49] Administrators need to survive a natural disaster for some reason.

[1:40:54] We can talk about that later.

[1:40:57] Okay, and we'll go ahead and open it up to the community.

[1:41:00] Anybody wish to speak on this matter?

[1:41:02] You have three minutes?

[1:41:05] Making the long walk, Mr. Campa?

[1:41:12] I wish I had a big campa, General Manager of Grovelin Community Services District.

[1:41:18] I really appreciate the board consideration of this item.

[1:41:22] As you know, we provide the water and wastewater services among other services in Grovelin

[1:41:28] and bigger flat, and we had some significant impacts from these storms as we have in

[1:41:35] prior storms and we've been very successful at accessing FEMA funds to do infrastructure repair

[1:41:41] replacement. In this case, we do have some FEMA funding that we're using for infrastructure

[1:41:50] replacement. In most of these locations, there's loads of large local

[1:41:54] which comes directly at a rate payer dollars,

[1:41:56] this would help to offset that in addition,

[1:42:00] there are other projects that are contained within

[1:42:02] our application materials that are specifically funded

[1:42:06] with the C to B G D R funds, and they would strengthen

[1:42:11] the infrastructures that we don't have this happen over.

[1:42:14] Over, as you know, many of the projects that were built

[1:42:18] in the county were built very quickly,

[1:42:21] may not have been to a current standard, so they had to cross creaks and drain it just

[1:42:26] and they buried the pipe on it aside and set rocks on top of it in the bottom of the

[1:42:31] creak and when you have flood situations those rocks tend to just disappear and then the

[1:42:37] pipes hang in there. Those types of things happen a lot. We've got some covert issues on

[1:42:44] or on a road that is appears to be privately owned and it's got infrastructure hanging in the air

[1:42:56] right behind downtown Grovin across the major problems with that. So we're making a number

[1:43:03] of improvements with this money we've done quite a few improvements over the last about 30 million

[1:43:08] last five years and I'm going to continue that progress and really appreciate the county's

[1:43:14] inclusion of our application in the JDBG.

[1:43:20] Thank you, sir.

[1:43:31] I really, I learned a lot coming to these meetings that I really do. So I don't know if what I

[1:43:36] prepared is even appropriate and but you did sort of open the gate there with the mitigation

[1:43:42] and the fire services.

[1:43:46] So I sent an email yesterday and it was about what I call my dog in the fight, which is

[1:43:52] the Columbia Station at Pearl House, which the county's already spent $300,000 on to prepare

[1:43:58] for block grant approval, you know, and submission.

[1:44:03] So I have a lot of questions and I know this isn't for you to answer during my three minutes.

[1:44:09] I know we've got to move it along.

[1:44:10] But there are a couple meetings, there's a two county public meetings, February 4th and 5th, about block grants.

[1:44:21] So I guess my major question is, is this the block grant application, or are there going to be more for this year coming up on getting the audits completed?

[1:44:33] I mean, that's my big question is to where we are.

[1:44:36] And that's what I'm trying to figure out, so, and anybody answer that or no.

[1:44:43] I would recommend that perhaps afterwards, once this kind of, they're going to be able to

[1:44:47] tell you exactly the timeline.

[1:44:49] And without stepping out of line, I believe we have until the end of February.

[1:45:00] I appreciate that. It's I do understand that this is first storm damage and mitigation, but when you open the door with fire stations, which of course I feel is very important, you know, that's why I want to come speak to that. So I appreciate it. Thank you.

[1:45:15] Thank you.

[1:45:18] Chair, if I can just add a little bit, we do have meetings coming up related to the other funding that's not related to this DR funding. So that's where we would talk about those kind of projects.

[1:45:32] Thank you.

[1:45:33] Morning.

[1:45:35] Good morning.

[1:45:35] Hello, Board.

[1:45:36] Nathan Gorham, assistant chief,

[1:45:37] Tualme County Fire.

[1:45:38] And speaking to the staff recommended

[1:45:41] Projects.

[1:45:42] I strongly support funding a permanent generator

[1:45:44] at Tualme County Fire Station 56 in

[1:45:47] James Town.

[1:45:48] As you know, the station must remain fully

[1:45:50] operational as it will protect lives,

[1:45:53] property and critical infrastructure.

[1:45:55] And I am in full support of that recommendation.

[1:45:58] Thank you to staff for being cognizant

[1:46:00] the needs of County Fire. Thank you. Anyone else?

[1:46:19] Good morning.

[1:46:23] Quincy Ealy and I'm here

[1:46:25] representing the Tall Me Park and Rep District. I wanted to thank the OES staff for

[1:46:31] meeting with us and for taking the time to tour the site with me. This coordination of

[1:46:36] was really valuable and making sure this application was strong and supporting this project

[1:46:41] will be money will spent on your behalf.

[1:46:44] So the district is the applicant in this funding,

[1:46:47] but the projects intentionally structured

[1:46:49] to be a collaborative basin scale effort.

[1:46:52] The district on this site receives stormwater

[1:46:55] from much of the surrounding community.

[1:46:58] And this basin is directly adjacent to county facilities,

[1:47:02] including your buildings and an expensive parking lot.

[1:47:06] Effective, this basin design and improvement

[1:47:08] can't occur without coordination.

[1:47:10] and that will be a big component of this project and all the partners that contribute run-off

[1:47:15] to this project site. We're looking to prepare a stormwater flood mitigation plan to address

[1:47:21] longstanding and recurring flooding on district facilities. And these issues have been driven

[1:47:27] by overtime sedimentation, limited stormwater conveyance capacity, and uncoordinated upstream run-off

[1:47:34] that impacts the district's facilities.

[1:47:38] The core of the project is a planning level drainage and watershed study,

[1:47:43] which will identify deficiencies that contribute to flood risk

[1:47:46] and develop conceptual mitigation strategies,

[1:47:50] such as storm water retention, flow control,

[1:47:53] and nature-based means that reduce erosion

[1:47:56] and manage runoff more effectively.

[1:47:58] We will be doing the required environmental review

[1:48:02] so that we can do future implementation.

[1:48:06] This request is for mitigation planning and in the event that we can find additional funding.

[1:48:11] We'd like to move on to implementation.

[1:48:14] But once the project is implemented, the ongoing maintenance will be the district's responsibility.

[1:48:20] And we're hoping to establish a framework and get the permitting to allow that to happen.

[1:48:26] In short, this project moves the community from reacting to flood events towards managing flood risk deliberately.

[1:48:33] and collaboratively, and not the appropriate base in scale.

[1:48:36] Thank you for having us, and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

[1:48:40] Thank you.

[1:48:45] Okay, same.

[1:48:46] None.

[1:48:46] Go ahead and bring it back to the board.

[1:48:50] You want to lead off?

[1:48:54] You guys are gamble?

[1:48:56] Yeah.

[1:48:57] I'm supportive of all these.

[1:48:59] When we're talking about roads,

[1:49:01] there's one that we had been talking about in the last budget cycle,

[1:49:07] which was Big Hill Road,

[1:49:08] Which didn't make it onto this. What was the was that considered or was that because I brought that up a number of times and I was kind of thinking it would be included on here.

[1:49:20] Because of, you know, not only the evacuation elements but the kind of revitalization of the community up there was that room considered it all.

[1:49:31] We're still working with the technical committee to see if that would be an eligible project.

[1:49:35] Okay, when do you think you might find out?

[1:49:39] Uh, we'll be meeting with, um, kind of,

[1:49:42] every week.

[1:49:43] And weekly, yes, through Monday.

[1:49:47] Yeah.

[1:49:47] Okay.

[1:49:48] Um, so that would be my request is that that'd be included as a potential project.

[1:50:00] We talked in the past, you know, I have talked several times. I don't remember which conversations were public here at board meetings or just between you and me coming up with ideas, but we talked about dividing into three sections. Obviously there's that top section as well. The middle section is the worst, but the top section is the worst with the largest number of people that live and use that road for day to day travel and evacuation.

[1:50:25] So, if there's a way we could break it up that way to reduce the cost or at least get some relief to the people that live up there,

[1:50:33] I'd be open to looking at that.

[1:50:36] Because obviously, it is, you know, just like Tom, your road north, it is a very large, long road that connects to one into one community to another.

[1:50:50] And so those are the most difficult ones to repair

[1:50:53] are the large long ones that are kind of out there.

[1:50:57] So that would be, that'd be the one thing that's not on here

[1:51:00] that I'd like to see.

[1:51:01] Okay.

[1:51:04] Two guys are current.

[1:51:06] I don't think, I don't think, he's got anything.

[1:51:10] Oh, sorry.

[1:51:11] Yeah, it's a lot of the day has nothing to do.

[1:51:12] I just want some clarity as far as we were talking.

[1:51:15] So yes, all the projects and Quincy,

[1:51:17] thank you for being here.

[1:51:18] Just so you guys know, it sounds like it's gonna move forward,

[1:51:20] but that project in 12 major parks and rocks area,

[1:51:24] I jumped on board with it simply because the CRC

[1:51:27] in the library, all those are potentially,

[1:51:30] they've flooded before they're at risk for flooding,

[1:51:33] so it's a win-win both for our buildings

[1:51:35] and also for potential development for the park.

[1:51:37] So thank you guys for hearing her out on that.

[1:51:40] My only question is I just wanna be clear

[1:51:42] with the 4.9 million left.

[1:51:45] My motion or my recommendation would be

[1:51:48] Um, to dump that money towards, um, doing, uh, roadside brushing,

[1:51:55] culver, all the preventative maintenance, but I really, I don't know if you can make it in

[1:52:00] tandem, blossom with your plan coming up. I like to see how it's going to work into your plan.

[1:52:06] Um, the two or four road crew workers, I want that to come out at TOT, so that would not be included in this.

[1:52:11] But then, um, before you expend all that money or that 4.9 million on a plan for, for

[1:52:17] and maintenance. I would like to know if we could put any of that towards the station there

[1:52:21] that we decided to close in in Jill in July. That would be my only hold-up is can we get a

[1:52:28] report back on that. So what do we do this? Why don't we let's do any other board discussion? Why don't

[1:52:34] we tentatively take a vote to or make a motion to accept as presented and then perhaps in the

[1:52:41] February meeting you can bring back a real quick hey we can do big hill we can't do big hill

[1:52:45] and if we need to alter on the fly right then, but I don't, not a full presentation, it's like,

[1:52:50] yes, supervisor Holland, we're our supervisor, Kirk, we can do the fire stations,

[1:52:54] supervisor Campbell, we can do a big hill and we can adjust that. Does that feel good for you guys?

[1:52:59] Right, so we want to make a motion.

[1:53:02] Are we just getting direction or are we actually making motions?

[1:53:06] So February is when we find out with the rest of the money 4.9, did I miss that?

[1:53:10] Okay. All right. Thank you for the clarification. So the direction is move forward. We'll see you on

[1:53:13] everybody answer the questions please regarding big hill in the fire station and then we will

[1:53:20] do the final check-off. Right and the reason that we have remaining money that's not obligated

[1:53:26] is that we're still having public meetings and so we don't want to obligate all that money

[1:53:31] have an idea come from the public that we really like and then we can't because right it's

[1:53:35] my green right. Yeah and chair if I was suggest for the public if they reach out to you just

[1:53:40] of those projects and we'll vet them out.

[1:53:43] We do have set aside for February 10th.

[1:53:46] That's the meeting that we'll bring this forward,

[1:53:48] and we won't bring a whole presentation.

[1:53:50] We'll just bring one slide that says these are the projects,

[1:53:52] and this is what we found out, and this is the choices

[1:53:55] that you will have, then, if that works.

[1:53:59] All right, I appreciate.

[1:54:00] Can we do the resolution now,

[1:54:02] or do you want me to push the resolution to?

[1:54:04] The resolution is just the authorizing.

[1:54:08] I'll make a motion we approve the resolution.

[1:54:11] You're second?

[1:54:12] Second.

[1:54:14] Discussion?

[1:54:15] Seeing none?

[1:54:16] All in favor say aye.

[1:54:19] Thank you.

[1:54:20] So four zero zero.

[1:54:22] All right, thank you.

[1:54:23] Thank you.

[1:54:24] Okay.

[1:54:24] So we're going to take a 10 minute break for our next item, which will be item number 15.

[1:54:29] Because I like baseball.

[1:54:30] I'm going to give you the lineup.

[1:54:32] So item number 15 is next.

[1:54:33] And then 12 13 14 16 and 17.

[1:54:39] All right.

[1:54:40] I'll make me break out the gavel, which I don't have one.

[1:54:42] I'll go bring my own.

[1:54:43] But,

[1:54:46] I never got a go.

[1:54:48] Previous.

[1:54:49] Ha-ha-ha.

[1:54:50] I have the power.

[1:54:52] Ha-ha-ha.

[1:54:53] Azaz they say.

[1:55:03] All right. All right. Well, I appreciate everybody. All right. Let's get rolling. All right.

[1:55:11] Item court. Number 15, please.

[1:55:15] Item number 15. Consideration of approving the recommendation from homelessness from the homelessness committee to approve a 30 day extension of the deadline for the removal of the RVs and trailers from camp justice to allow additional time to further explore the feasibility of a program similar to the pathway.

[1:55:30] home RV slash trailer program and staff's recommendation of the installation of Palace at Camp Justice

[1:55:36] to designate individual tent sites and support improved site organization, safety, and weather mitigation.

[1:55:44] All right. Get away. Chairman Griefer, members of the board. Good morning, Michelle Clark,

[1:55:48] with Health and Human Services Agency. Today, however, I'm here on behalf of the Board's

[1:55:52] Homelessness Committee as a designated staff support person supporting this committee.

[1:56:00] So Michael right now is just to give the board some really brief, some background information

[1:56:06] clarifying information on each of these recommendations hoping to get through each of

[1:56:11] them if that works for the board, and then field questions as I believe there's some public

[1:56:17] comment that I, a lot of public comment that I anticipate, stuff that works, I can go ahead

[1:56:24] and get started on each of these recommendations.

[1:56:27] How would you like to take them? Because there's two distinct issues here. There's the RVs and then their pallets and I would like to I would like to separate them out

[1:56:34] But because I think the one might be a lot quicker than the second

[1:56:39] So

[1:56:40] So you which one do you want to start with start with the RVs, okay, so on January 8

[1:56:46] The committee met and there was further discussion regarding solutions for relocating the RVs and trailers

[1:56:53] Obviously, with the looming deadline of January 31st, as previously directed by the board.

[1:57:01] So, research into alternative sites within the community that could accept these RVs and trailers did not

[1:57:07] prove any identify any viable options.

[1:57:12] However, in reviewing some practices and other counties, including Sonoma, Santa Clara, San Diego, and Alameda,

[1:57:20] It was found that health and human services agencies partner with community-based organizations

[1:57:25] to operate dedicated RV trailer programs often referred to as this pathway home program.

[1:57:33] During that discussion, three potential local sites were identified, two through possible CBOs community-based organizations,

[1:57:39] and partnerships and one private property owner.

[1:57:44] So the CBOs would include resiliency village

[1:57:47] and refuge recovery.

[1:57:48] Based on that, and concerns about residents being required

[1:57:51] to move into 10th during the winter, the committee unanimously

[1:57:55] voted to recommend to the board the 30 day extension

[1:58:00] to allow additional time to evaluate this concept,

[1:58:04] including reviewing zoning and permitting requirements

[1:58:06] and identifying funny opportunities.

[1:58:08] Since the January 8th meeting, we have completed some research and determined to all

[1:58:14] me county zoning code, specifically chapter 17.70, is limiting.

[1:58:21] RVN trailers cannot be used as human shelter for longer than 30 days within a calendar year,

[1:58:28] unless they are within an approved RV park or mobile home park.

[1:58:33] So further research with still be needed on the zoning applicable to each entity

[1:58:37] whether they're zoning will allow for RVs or mobile home parks, a review of the resilience

[1:58:42] village zoning indicates that RV parks and campgrounds and mobile home parks would not be

[1:58:47] allowable uses. Additionally further research is needed to identify available funding to support

[1:58:54] a CBO and operating such a program, current funding that we have would not be extended would be

[1:59:01] able to be extended to additional programs, obviously what we have is limited and needs to support

[1:59:06] kind of the programs that we have going on already.

[1:59:11] So at this time, there are 12 RVs trailers

[1:59:13] or cargo trailers at Camp Justice

[1:59:15] and steps have been taken to notify them

[1:59:19] of the January 31 deadline.

[1:59:22] And discussions have been held with them

[1:59:25] for what their plans are moving forward.

[1:59:27] What we know as of today is that three occupants have stated

[1:59:29] they will abandon them allowing the county

[1:59:32] to dispose of them.

[1:59:34] Two occupants have identified sites, but need additional 30 days to kind of execute those plans and then approximately three occupants indicate they will relocate to locations such as Walmart parking lot or similar sites.

[1:59:51] So based on the information we have and the lack of viable alternatives, we would have approximately seven remaining at the site and again.

[2:00:00] The expectation would be that they would be impounded and destroyed. The cost for that is estimate estimated

[2:00:06] at $2,800 to $3,000 per unit. That would include the towing and demolition, so total costs

[2:00:13] of approximately $21,000. As you are aware, Kimb Justice is currently supported by a camp at Resolution

[2:00:20] Grant funding. As of November, there was $35,400 remaining, and that is to cover the water

[2:00:28] facilities, probation crews, and toilets, so kind of equating to approximately four months

[2:00:34] of operations, unless we are able to find other funding. We are exploring the use of

[2:00:39] possibly using opioid settlement funds, but still kind of continuing to review how that would work.

[2:00:46] So that is kind of what I have for the recommendations on the 30-day extension.

[2:00:54] All right, with the board's permission, I'd like to split as we have already heard the RV.

[2:00:59] So I'd like to do RV public comment and then when it comes time for the pallets, we'll do pallet public comment.

[2:01:05] I know it's unusual that we do two opportunities here, but this way I think it keeps the conversation clean.

[2:01:11] The county council, is that okay? We can do that. All right.

[2:01:14] Any objections for my board? Okay. All right, so I'll bring it. Thank you for that.

[2:01:18] Bring it back to the board for discussion.

[2:01:23] All right. I got a question. You said three are going to abandon them and give the county the privilege to destroy them.

[2:01:31] So who's paying for all this if it's not our property to start with?

[2:01:36] So my understanding and I'm going to kind of refer to Roger for this to answer.

[2:01:41] So we would have to use abatement funds.

[2:01:45] Currently we have about 13,000 left in ARPA funds.

[2:01:50] It's allocated for vehicle abatement.

[2:01:52] It's the same funds we used to clean up the trailers after the fire at Camp Genesis.

[2:01:58] And then we would have to probably use funds from the Code of Compliance Trust fund,

[2:02:02] which has about 500,000 in it to abate the remaining ones.

[2:02:07] So I think it's going to be back to the point of some conversations that I've occurred here for

[2:02:11] Well, almost entire year. I would say that this need to get cleaned up and got done

[2:02:15] And it seemed like keeps getting kicked down the road

[2:02:17] We finally drew a line in the sand and now we're like, you know, yeah, that's fine

[2:02:22] You guys made the decision, but we don't like it. So we want to change it

[2:02:25] The cost of destroying one RV almost runs that camp for a month. So now

[2:02:30] The camp will lose three months of funding destroy one RV and you just told me there's three in potentially

[2:02:37] seven more. So I guess that's my promise. The taxpayers are now on the hook for

[2:02:42] people's personal lungs that they brought there. We didn't provide these. We

[2:02:46] didn't buy them and move them in there and say, well, here you go. These were

[2:02:50] brought there and now it's now falling on the government. Do that and that was

[2:02:53] the opposite of everything we talked about. What can't just the supposed to be

[2:02:56] about, right? It's supposed to give you a spot to stop, to eventually hopefully

[2:03:00] transition to sociability or one of the other things that find

[2:03:04] permit housing would not. And so I think that's, you know, the conditions of the situation

[2:03:09] over there is becoming to where now, you know, it's on our radar versus just running smooth.

[2:03:14] And so I do have a problem with that because I don't think people should be on the hook for

[2:03:17] paying for this. And I just want to make one correction. I'm sorry if that was misunderstood.

[2:03:26] I think it would be a total of seven, not ten. So total of seven that we would have

[2:03:30] to dispose of.

[2:03:31] That's so $21,000.

[2:03:32] That pays for a lot of pumping of the sewage tank there and other stuff.

[2:03:39] Okay.

[2:03:40] Thank you.

[2:03:41] Supervisor.

[2:03:43] Kirk?

[2:03:43] Yeah.

[2:03:44] My question is really simple.

[2:03:46] Is everybody this camp being offered the opportunity for programs in housing if they choose

[2:03:54] this issue?

[2:03:55] I don't know that they would all meet criteria for current housing, but yes, there's resource

[2:04:00] is that it's being offered to them on a regular basis.

[2:04:03] How do you get stuff out there weekly?

[2:04:04] They're choosing to stay there.

[2:04:06] Correct.

[2:04:09] Thank you.

[2:04:09] Do you want to ask Campbell?

[2:04:11] So I'm on the homeless committee and so this is coming as a recommendation from the

[2:04:16] homeless committee.

[2:04:16] I did share during that meeting some of the misgivings that I think the board has about

[2:04:22] that in the timeline to set.

[2:04:25] I think what we're at right now is the RVs came in.

[2:04:32] They probably shouldn't have, but most of the RVs that were there three, four months ago

[2:04:39] are now gone.

[2:04:40] So now we're left with the ones that the hard ones, the ones that are inoperable, the ones

[2:04:44] where people have different situations where they can't easily get into other types of housing.

[2:04:53] And so I think where the board, where the committee was coming from was buying time to find solutions

[2:04:59] Thanks for watching!

[2:05:00] Which it sounds like there's at least a few that we could resolve through having additional time.

[2:05:07] There's been interest from some of the non-government agencies in the county and taking some of these people on.

[2:05:12] There's at least one person that has a relative out of state that they're trying to get to.

[2:05:18] And so that was, I think, where the desire to have more time is to kind of work the problem, rather than just say, you know, this is the date we picked.

[2:05:26] and so everybody has to get out by that date.

[2:05:32] And I understand and I think that's a worthwhile thing to do because the thing is this has been open for a year and change now.

[2:05:45] And so, sort of be fair.

[2:05:49] We wanted to comment questions.

[2:05:50] Okay.

[2:05:52] Yeah. You know what? You're right. I'm sorry.

[2:05:53] That's OK.

[2:05:55] So the question was, oh, are there any new trailers coming in?

[2:06:01] I am not a witness now.

[2:06:02] I think it's been 12 for us.

[2:06:03] So we figured out how to stop that flow of the trailers coming in.

[2:06:07] OK, how many of the trailers are mobile,

[2:06:09] like the ones that have either that are RVs that have a working

[2:06:14] engine and wheels that will carry it out under its own power,

[2:06:18] or it's a fifth wheel trailer that also has wheels that all they need

[2:06:21] uh uh something to hook it up and haul it out. How many trailers are in that situation?

[2:06:26] I might actually have to have William answer that. I don't know how specific number.

[2:06:33] Well I would just say um there's two RVs that run and there are two cargo trailers that

[2:06:41] people have the ability to tow off sight themselves. Other than that there are

[2:06:46] are, say, 1, 2, 3, 4 fifth wheels that are toable. It doesn't mean they're street legal,

[2:06:53] but the people that own them do not have the ability to own a vehicle with a fifth wheel.

[2:07:00] Okay.

[2:07:01] Our is one additional trailer. It's just a standard pull behind with some also does not.

[2:07:07] Okay.

[2:07:08] So if they were able to get a friend or somebody was able to fund them moving the trailer,

[2:07:16] They would be able to do that and I understand the not street legal part so the sheriff can cover his ears and let

[2:07:23] Let's assume that they're able to to risk it in the middle of the night and they're able to get from 0.8 a point of view without

[2:07:29] exploding and not getting pulled over

[2:07:33] How many trailers are in that sufficient versus how many are

[2:07:37] stuck there where they have severe mechanical problems. They have you know tires that are flat. They are not movable

[2:07:43] What's the ratio of operational versus non-operational?

[2:07:46] I mean, I would say one to lose interpretation of operational.

[2:07:49] One to three trailers are probably not safe to be on the roof.

[2:07:52] Okay. They could have.

[2:07:53] The legal issue could be easily averted with a one day moving permit.

[2:07:57] I think the issue is more where are they going to end up.

[2:08:01] I understand the $3,000 to destroy them.

[2:08:04] It's part of all hitting us out once.

[2:08:07] But this is a culmination of trailers that would have been done kind of one at a time throughout the process.

[2:08:13] as the sheriff has gotten from standard park,

[2:08:17] or the idea has gotten from the Walmart parking lot,

[2:08:19] or they were in little Sweden or in Cedar Ridge,

[2:08:22] and they've been kind of gathered up.

[2:08:24] And instead of being, they can care of one of the time,

[2:08:28] we moved them all here.

[2:08:29] And now we've determined they're not an appropriate fit for there.

[2:08:33] So it is harsh that we're paying for it.

[2:08:35] We did discuss with the sheriff's office.

[2:08:37] Is there a mechanism to charge the legal owner of the trailer?

[2:08:41] say, hey, this is your property you're on the hook for the disposal fees, but that's not

[2:08:46] something that would be appropriate in this case. I think this is a tough one time thing,

[2:08:52] but it's important to remember it is a one time thing. No trailers have been in for several

[2:08:56] months. Okay. All right. Well, that's good. So, it sounds like we're left for about four

[2:09:03] that there's no other option than to destroy them or let them stay. I think approximately

[2:09:10] Yeah. Three one to three one to three. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

[2:09:17] Three have said that they want to give them up and what the county do.

[2:09:24] Well, that's. What a gift. Yeah, I don't quite agree with with that.

[2:09:30] Thinking that. Well, I think somebody already said out of the grace of their goodness that they're going to

[2:09:36] for the county to take care. That's not, to me that's not a very good gift. It's to leave a trailer

[2:09:43] for the public to deal with. It reminds me a bit of illegal dumping where you're setting your

[2:09:49] trash out on a public street so that the whole rest of the community has to deal with it, but okay.

[2:09:55] Alright, thank you. Do you guys agree? I just want to be clear because there's

[2:10:00] Because if we're talking about giving people time to get off and get the trailers off, their recommendation is from Camp Justice to allow additional time to further explore the feasibility of a program similar to a pathway home RV trailer.

[2:10:16] So, the recommendation is about including trailers, that's what it sounds like, which is not what

[2:10:23] Meyer's scene is a board signed up for. So, the recommendation sounds different from what we're discussing.

[2:10:30] So, for clarification in last year, the board gave January 31st as the deadline for all

[2:10:37] trailers to being removed from camp justice. Right, agreed. And to Mike's point,

[2:10:41] I don't know why the recommendation is this one. Well, it's coming from the

[2:10:46] I don't know if you say something that we don't

[2:10:47] members here that can speak to that.

[2:10:49] So unless there's any other questions from the board,

[2:10:52] let's do that.

[2:10:53] I can, you want me to explain where the recommendation came from.

[2:10:56] I'm not necessarily, we have members from the committee

[2:10:58] as well as the committee that can speak to it.

[2:11:02] So I guess my last question is,

[2:11:03] oh, ask for answers from the committee.

[2:11:05] In three days from now, are we doing this again?

[2:11:08] I do it.

[2:11:12] I mean, you're on that committee,

[2:11:13] so I don't know what's going on.

[2:11:15] But yeah, well, I mean, the committee is not the one that would be, they're just giving recommendations to the board based on what they're seeing.

[2:11:24] So the view of the committee, and again, I'm speaking on behalf of folks that are already here and can speak for themselves.

[2:11:30] But the views that additional time would benefit finding placement for some of the RVs.

[2:11:37] I'm skeptical that all of them could be placed in the 30 days, but

[2:11:43] there seems to be some confidence that some of them could be.

[2:11:47] So their long story short, that there will come a point where

[2:11:52] RVs need to be red-tacked. It's just deciding what point that is and how much time do we want to give

[2:11:59] the staff and give the committee to work that problem.

[2:12:05] Okay.

[2:12:08] So, man, I'm going to have the public please.

[2:12:11] All right, members of the public, you have three minutes to discuss this item or to give

[2:12:15] your comments on this item.

[2:12:20] All right, good morning, Lisa Silva with Master Care.

[2:12:23] We partner in case manage folks that are at Camp Justice.

[2:12:27] We work with William and his team and my team are boots on the ground and I participate

[2:12:33] at the homelessness committee meeting and I have when State Park was initially brought

[2:12:38] to the Board of Supervisors a couple of years ago.

[2:12:40] I just want to speak to allowing the 30 days is so pivotal because if it's just taking

[2:12:48] one of these seven or one of these folks that we've been trying to case manage that our programming

[2:12:55] for us, we're a county provider, which is the purpose of county is to seek their highest level of independence,

[2:13:03] our population of Foskis and Tualmne County is severe mental illness, homeless, high

[2:13:10] utilizers that are using the ER. It takes a lot of case management and time

[2:13:16] trust building and if we are so close and you're interesting us to be committee

[2:13:23] members we have discussions, we come together as groups, we are colleagues, we all

[2:13:28] work together, and please trust us, that this is our mission, it's our profession, we're

[2:13:38] good at it, and let us be the experts in this.

[2:13:41] We're not asking for anything that isn't reasonable in my opinion, extension of 30 days

[2:13:49] will be very pivotal to just a couple of folks.

[2:13:53] We're talking about if we do destroy people's homes that they've lived in, that's going

[2:13:58] come with trauma and then it's going to open up another aspect of us to deal with and we're

[2:14:05] dealing with it. So I'm just going to ask that if the board takes into consideration the time

[2:14:11] that is spent having these discussions after hours until 7 o'clock at night, most evenings,

[2:14:19] with each other, coming up with the best solution for Traumy County and this population.

[2:14:25] I personally, in regional manager of six counties in this surrounding area, I live in

[2:14:32] Tomi County, though, so I spend most of my time here focusing on the resources that are

[2:14:38] available to this community and allocating those funds appropriately.

[2:14:43] So, obviously, that's 3,000, that's scary number.

[2:14:47] So if we can negate that number, even by one or two, give us a chance to do that.

[2:14:53] There are more people here that I'd like to speak to it.

[2:14:56] One is...

[2:15:00] Thank you for your time this morning in your consideration.

[2:15:04] Thank you.

[2:15:06] So I know no one like standing in the line, come on up. No one like standing in line, but if so,

[2:15:10] it's an easy way for me to gauge how many people and what kind of time management I have.

[2:15:13] So if you could form a line that would be great, if you can't, that's fine as well.

[2:15:17] But it just helps me. How many people are interested in speaking on this topic?

[2:15:20] I've got two, three. Okay. All right.

[2:15:25] Thank you.

[2:15:26] Hi, I'm Niki Hathi. I formally was run in the shelter with Atka.

[2:15:30] And then I've changed roles to master care as a care navigator, working with a lot of the community members that we're actually discussing today.

[2:15:39] I've been part of the homelessness committee for quite some time, as well as the camp justice work group.

[2:15:45] I will say it's not that the work isn't being done. It's diligently being done.

[2:15:52] But there is that 30 day extension that's important. A lot of the people from the trailers have gone.

[2:15:56] I think Supervisor Kirk, when you're asking about them accepting going into other programs,

[2:16:02] I think one of the difficulties about that is, they have to be vetted, right?

[2:16:08] There's the vetting process to go from can't justice into soul speed, to the navigation center.

[2:16:15] A lot of the times that happens going from the shelter, and the shelter has been remarkably full,

[2:16:21] Or there are other factors such as maybe a pet and I know some of our, especially in our older community members that are out there having a 17 year old dog is not something that they're

[2:16:33] That's been a companion for the last 17 years for them and it's not something that's just going to be given up easily

[2:16:38] So I think that's one of the difficulties when the question is being asked what about accepting going into the other programs is the fit is the vetting process and the vetting process has to happen because of the

[2:16:50] relationship and the rapport with the neighbors that are there that it was agreed upon that that would be a stipulation to the navigation center even being ran the way it is, right?

[2:17:02] So I just want to I just want to speak to that I do think that so many of the trailers and so many people have been now

[2:17:09] Not just moved out of campus, but we're talking about positive outcomes that have happened with those that have gone out from the

[2:17:18] trailers. And from a lot of the 10s too, it's positive outcomes that are happening. So just don't let that go and notice. I know that the number seems big right now, but the number for what it's going to take to destroy the the money number is is a lot bigger. Okay.

[2:17:41] Finally, God.

[2:17:42] place live. 2020, Camp Hope, Camp Justice. You guys, this is a challenge just for us to

[2:17:50] the trauma, the changes, my dog, my mom, the loss of so much. And it's, and to try to figure it out

[2:17:59] unless you've lived it, you have no idea. And to go out and just to story somebody's,

[2:18:04] it's going to cause anger, trauma, I don't know guys, but it can't be done because I'm talking it.

[2:18:11] I've got a nice place to live now too, but it's taking a long time.

[2:18:21] Good morning.

[2:18:22] I live out of camp justice for this minute.

[2:18:28] I've caught a lot of mobile parts and they're very expensive and by the time you get done

[2:18:36] paying everything, you have no money left on this low income, long time ago we did make a lot

[2:18:44] money and the wages now are different. But anyway, I'm talking for all of the people out there

[2:18:52] at the park, the mobile homes and the pitwills and trailers are a lot easier because a lot

[2:18:59] of people in the camps and men in the tents. They throw the garbage out, they don't take care of things.

[2:19:06] I would like to see things be

[2:19:13] stepped up and clean and I like to, I don't want to lose my

[2:19:19] motorhome, I worked hard for it, it's my place to live and they're talking about me,

[2:19:27] be put me in assisted living or nursing home or whatever and I said I've checked out

[2:19:34] a lot of places and everything's full. So they're telling me I just have the rest of

[2:19:41] this week and then I have to move out. What am I supposed to do? I have my dogs,

[2:19:48] Well, just when 17 years old, up to this 13, and you tell them me that I have to get rid of everything.

[2:20:00] And all of my stuff. And more and less sending my life. I've been out working in my yards. I've done the plea markets. I've done all kinds of stuff to survive. I could work in their condition because of my help.

[2:20:17] But I've survived all these years. And I just turned 80 years, well, 79 years old. And I think it's just shame to make me get rid of my motorhome.

[2:20:28] And also I've seen this winter with the tents, a lot of them down by the fence, they got

[2:20:35] washed out.

[2:20:36] They had to put new tents, new bedding and everything up with these people.

[2:20:41] And I think it's horrible.

[2:20:43] And then a motorhome or travel trailer, you wouldn't have that expense.

[2:20:48] Oh, anyway, I'm sticking up for me and my dogs and other people that's there in the motor

[2:20:56] and travel trailers.

[2:21:01] I just think it's a shame and telling me that I have to get rid of everything that I have.

[2:21:07] My dogs and my stuff to move into a nursing home or someplace assisted living. That's not fair.

[2:21:17] It's not fair at all.

[2:21:20] And I feel sorry for you guys because time's going to be a lot worse when you guys get older.

[2:21:24] a lot worse. Thank you. Thank you.

[2:21:28] And time. I guess. Thank you, man.

[2:21:44] My name is Anna Britt and I'm a resident at the Navigation Center.

[2:21:50] But today I'm here to ask you from Mercy with people in the trailers.

[2:22:00] Literally for everyone who's homeless.

[2:22:02] May think that you're better off. You're three months away by most counts. I've seen it in studies. I've experienced it myself.

[2:22:15] 30 days is not much.

[2:22:19] You held out your hand and tried to hold water in it. It would slip through. These are like the lives of the homeless and you guys are holding it.

[2:22:28] So maybe put on a glove, you could hold more water, you know, like one of those cleaning gloves.

[2:22:36] 30 days is not much to allow people to accomplish the things that they need to.

[2:22:44] Maybe some of you are thinking, the homeless aren't doing what they should be doing,

[2:22:49] the ones out at camp justice.

[2:22:52] And I don't think that you truly understand how difficult it can be out there.

[2:22:56] Just to do something like make a simple phone call, how do they do that if they have no way to charge their phones to make these arrangements that are you're requiring of them?

[2:23:10] Daily life out there, daily life for me when I was homeless in a tent in a different town, was like trying to live through bombshells of my daily life exploding.

[2:23:22] And I had a child with me. She was 14.

[2:23:26] Now, all thanks to people behind me sitting.

[2:23:31] She's in the Tay House.

[2:23:33] Getting the education, the life skills that she needed,

[2:23:38] or needs right now to become a helpful member of society.

[2:23:43] She wanted to come to the Navigation Center with me,

[2:23:47] but I kind of forced her into the Tay House and I'm digressing.

[2:23:50] because I love her so much.

[2:23:55] I think maybe if you close to your eyes

[2:24:00] just for a

[2:24:01] second and allow to yourself the mercy that you guys need to get through these

[2:24:07] meetings because God what is so lacking you got this morning.

[2:24:12] You gave yourself that

[2:24:14] mercy and forgiveness for just simply being a human.

[2:24:21] You would experience self-

[2:24:24] and could maybe share that the homeless community.

[2:24:28] Thank you for your time.

[2:24:34] I'm sorry.

[2:24:37] So I've lived in Tollman County my entire life.

[2:24:40] I've struggled with homelessness often on for about 13 years.

[2:24:44] The last six years I've committed my life to volunteering and serving the community while being homeless

[2:24:50] and using my own money to serve the community.

[2:24:54] A lot of that started through one pilot time where I would go and we would clean up the camps after

[2:24:59] You

[2:25:00] People were abandoned them and then I moved on to compassion out reach where we developed our own trash program and we bring bags of the camps and have them pick up their own trash and it was a really successful program.

[2:25:13] Everybody cleaned up their camps and then they shut down the camps and opened up camp justice.

[2:25:19] Through that program and throughout this, you know, six years watching my friends.

[2:25:23] Um, I've watched people get, you know, sober and fine housing, so when we're going to college,

[2:25:29] you got kids back, um, got their driver's license, um, but like Lisa was saying,

[2:25:34] case management takes time, um, you need to be patient with people.

[2:25:38] It, you know, takes a long time to build trust, you know, trust, um, a lot of programs.

[2:25:43] So they're not willing to do it, um, and I also want you guys to consider that a lot

[2:25:50] the people in the trailers are senior citizens. So you're asking senior citizens who are already

[2:25:55] struggling to go from a trailer into a tent. So basically I just wanted to say, you know,

[2:26:01] it's taken us a long time to get here as a community, you know, government, you know, people on the

[2:26:06] ground and, you know, unsheltered. And I'm just hoping that we don't take a step backwards. I think

[2:26:12] the extension would be a good thing to hopefully get some more people into housing. And yeah, thank you.

[2:26:19] Thank you.

[2:26:23] Good afternoon again over the past several years. Most of you guys are some of you guys have wasted millions and millions and millions of dollars that were meant to be for almost people.

[2:26:38] The issue was those projects were not supervised.

[2:26:41] So now you have people that are out there freezing every single day trying to make something

[2:26:46] other lives but they just can because they can't.

[2:26:52] So if you throw out all these trailers you can have more people out there freezing every

[2:26:56] single night, it's almost 30 degrees out there every single night.

[2:27:01] So I'd say red tag the trailers given the extended 30 days they want but it's going to

[2:27:07] destroyed by the end of the month. Next month. Recently, there's a man that just passed away

[2:27:16] at a real-capart. So how many more bodies are we going to be picking up at these parks?

[2:27:22] These are the kind of decisions that you're going to make today.

[2:27:26] Thank you.

[2:27:32] Allergies for my voice went out late last night.

[2:27:36] So I'm here to back up Michelle and the team and answer questions.

[2:27:42] I know we did a question and answer process that I'm just going to try to summarize really quickly

[2:27:48] where we're at. Camp Justice is not the end-all solution for all the homeless conditions.

[2:27:57] It had an objective which was to gather at people that were in the wild where 10 camping

[2:28:04] made sense where we could collectively wrap services around them, make them safer,

[2:28:10] provide sanitation.

[2:28:14] And it wasn't supposed to be an RV and trailer stop. It wasn't the

[2:28:18] safe parking program. Those are other programs that we need to be considering, and we've

[2:28:23] been considering for years, as we've been working with us. We don't have the funding for that.

[2:28:27] The pathway home programs that we spoke of, those are in large counties that have a tax space where

[2:28:32] the percentage of homeless falls within an envelope where it's sensible and reasonable to

[2:28:38] provide those services.

[2:28:40] Follow me, county, it's not a place for almost people.

[2:28:43] We don't really have the tax base for that, frankly,

[2:28:46] for those kinds of that class of program.

[2:28:50] We've tried alternatives.

[2:28:54] Michelle has already spoken to the limitations

[2:28:56] that we have with ordinance and policy programs here.

[2:29:01] So that leaves us with getting camp justice into a form

[2:29:05] that the conserv is, many people is possible in, in like maybe four season tents. I mean,

[2:29:11] we have a vision for the next version of Camp Josephs that could really serve some folks.

[2:29:16] But we need to get to that after we can get the RVs and trailers out.

[2:29:23] Yeah. So, I guess we're back to questions, potentially. If you wish, W. How do you want that to work?

[2:29:36] and maybe in the in the pallet tent conversation, we can have more of those conversations about what we can do with the resources that we have.

[2:29:46] All right

[2:29:56] morning board.

[2:29:57] They've asked his sheriff of to all of me, county.

[2:30:00] I think I didn't see anybody behind me for the remainder of public comments, so I was coming just as part of the county team and representative of the people. So that buzzer goes off and might still talk past that.

[2:30:12] Just want to extend gratitude to the committee. I served on that committee as an advisory capacity. I wasn't able to make the January 8th meeting, but I did hear the dialogue and overall summary of what was discussed there.

[2:30:25] I will say this, I can attest that the program that is being run out there, the collaborative effort is working.

[2:30:32] And it has been working since, I think I will say since it's inception of, you know, Aprilish Mayesh of 2024,

[2:30:38] and we've seen a difference not only in our community, but we've been able to take steps in a process that successfully approximates

[2:30:46] how people are going to experience success in this space that the people have been so gracious

[2:30:52] to grant towards this pilot program, very temporary, limited expectation of privacy area that

[2:30:59] these folks are able to stay in. And I've heard the number 30 days and talking about,

[2:31:04] are we going to come back and have another 30-day discussion or whatever that looks like in the

[2:31:08] costs, all of those things weigh heavily on my mind when giving these recommendations. And I

[2:31:13] can tell you that from the capacity of my office and our level of involvement in what it's

[2:31:19] going to take to deal with this situation with firmness, fairness, dignity, and compassion.

[2:31:24] I think I need a little bit more than 30 days.

[2:31:27] I do.

[2:31:27] I think I need probably about 45 days, at least so that way we can safely facilitate what

[2:31:33] this looks like, but also give grace to the committee who has a plan.

[2:31:37] I think what sounds like a very good plan to carry that out.

[2:31:40] And so I know that we made a promise to the people that we would ensure that this would be a pilot and that we would get our hands around it with the rules and regulations.

[2:31:49] And if there is criticism on the timelines in which that's taking place, I would gladly take a little bit of ownership of that because I think that the notices we should be serving need to take place immediately after this board takes action.

[2:32:02] So that way we can work with these folks who are living in these trailers to help facilitate it within that 45 day time period.

[2:32:08] I think that that will reduce any liability or potential liability that could come as I'm

[2:32:13] looking over at my council to make sure that all the provisions of red tagging and

[2:32:17] trespass should there be violations of further the rules that the board is approving.

[2:32:22] And I think that the courts have made plenty of decisions in the last year to determine

[2:32:27] that that's reasonable, especially for me to carry out any civil processes surrounding

[2:32:31] camp justice and how this works.

[2:32:33] So I would ask for the smoothest transition and for best practices and policy procedure that you approve either the 30 days or 45 days which I think is more appropriate for me to work with staff and have my staff work with HHSA so we can make sure that we keep a timeline on what this looks like before we start imposing more than what might seem reasonable to the people out there.

[2:32:56] So I appreciate your time. Thank you.

[2:33:00] You said you might go over a little bit and then I appreciate your cognizant. Did you have further? I didn't want you to feel cut off

[2:33:08] Okay, thank you

[2:33:09] Okay, so let's go ahead and take a two-minute break for a moment. I've got a

[2:33:14] Coffee break, you know coffee by always you. I have to address so I appreciate that so two minutes, please

[2:33:22] Okay

[2:33:23] So I appreciate all the public comment. I appreciate taking a break. I appreciate you working with kind of us kind of splitting the two main topics here

[2:33:31] I'm gonna lead off on this topic.

[2:33:33] So this is the difficult part about government, right?

[2:33:36] The difficult part about government is the government

[2:33:38] has made a decision.

[2:33:39] We made a decision that all of the trailers need

[2:33:43] to be out of there by X-Day.

[2:33:46] And one of the concerns was,

[2:33:48] Supervisor Brandon brought up that he was concerned

[2:33:52] that we would have poor weather to do such, right?

[2:33:55] Because it was January, we were expecting Masune,

[2:33:58] et cetera, which clearly just didn't happen.

[2:34:00] So Mike, the issue that I have is that we have given the board is given clear direction to remove these RVs by the 31st.

[2:34:12] We also have a dedicated group of individuals on the Homeless Committee as well as a community who are saying, hey, we need a little more time.

[2:34:19] You don't have to stand. You can say it if you want. I'm not going to ask you any questions.

[2:34:24] So, the heart part about government is doing what's right for the perceived, what's right for the perceived injustices versus what's right for the county.

[2:34:34] So, whereas we have a large group of people that are saying, don't move them, we also have a group of people that are saying, get them out of there. It's a mess.

[2:34:42] And I'm not going to be all doing great.

[2:34:44] I'm just kind of laying my groundwork here.

[2:34:49] So the problem that we have is that if I were to look at it,

[2:34:53] we discussed this in November, we advised that January 31st,

[2:34:58] they were supposed to be out.

[2:34:59] Um...

[2:35:00] And here it is, the almost the end and nothing's happened. So what is to say that in 60 days, 30 days, 45 days, nothing happens. Now we have rules and regulations in place that will say, I see the sheriff coming up on me. All done, I share, not there yet. So the issue is that when government makes decisions and then they change decisions, it looks like we're just flip-fopping and then we get a bad rep for flipping and flopping.

[2:35:30] a bad rep for trying to do the right thing, and then we're getting it nailed for spinning

[2:35:35] the money.

[2:35:36] Where does the money I asked specifically where did the money come from to destroy these

[2:35:39] things?

[2:35:40] The question of who's going to be on the hook for it?

[2:35:43] Supervisor Campbell, eloquently said that it's not a gift, right?

[2:35:48] Somebody will use it.

[2:35:49] There's a ban in their property.

[2:35:50] It's not a gift.

[2:35:51] We're going to have to pay for that.

[2:35:52] It should be, almost, it should be supervisor's pay for that and don't want that on

[2:35:55] record.

[2:35:57] Should the county pay for that?

[2:35:59] So those are all the things that we have to balance, right?

[2:36:02] It's like, you know, the scales of justice are called that for a very specific reason, right?

[2:36:07] They're balancing, it's a very difficult balancing act.

[2:36:11] I was out there 10 days ago, I toured the camp.

[2:36:15] We are literally one day away from a collar outbreak.

[2:36:18] It is that bad.

[2:36:20] And the trailers are the problem.

[2:36:22] They are dumping their refuge, they are dumping their trash,

[2:36:25] They are developing almost a two-tiered, all-time.

[2:36:29] They're developing a two-tiered system, meaning people who have trailers are better off than the people who are living in tents.

[2:36:37] So how do we make it fair for everyone, which is why I really wanted to split this, because I think once we cross the RV bridge, and we get to the pallet discussion, it'll all come into the line.

[2:36:48] So, now that I've painted myself out to be Mr. Duman gloom, my position is I'm okay with giving an extension.

[2:36:56] However, it has to be the last bite of the apple. The reason why is because we have situations over there with the trailers, which are posing a medical issue, they're posing a fire issue, they're posing a law enforcement issue, they're posing a major issue.

[2:37:16] that this camp was never designed to have, ever.

[2:37:20] It was never designed.

[2:37:22] So, the old saying, give an inch, take a mile.

[2:37:25] Unfortunately, it's exactly what happened, right?

[2:37:27] And I understand it's best intentions.

[2:37:29] I'm not trying to be the jerk in the room.

[2:37:31] And if you guys do me in my past life,

[2:37:33] I was very spirit of the law guy.

[2:37:35] If I could find a way to make it happen, I'll make it happen.

[2:37:38] But there comes a point where we have to decide

[2:37:40] how are we going to address this

[2:37:42] and be good stewards of the people's tax dollars,

[2:37:45] as well as the people's property.

[2:37:47] There's a number of these trailers,

[2:37:49] which have damaged the property.

[2:37:50] They're dug in, trenches have been made,

[2:37:53] electrical lines have been pulled, right?

[2:37:55] There's stuff, so we have to,

[2:37:56] we are also responsible to the other constituents

[2:38:00] within our area, and to be fair,

[2:38:04] this lands in my district.

[2:38:06] So I have a vested interest, it's why I go out there.

[2:38:08] I was there the last time when they were giving,

[2:38:11] there was a move day, I believe.

[2:38:12] I remember watching, you move, pack up your belongings,

[2:38:14] I remember feeling how difficult it has to be, so I'm not as cold and dead inside as it's been made out to be.

[2:38:22] I understand, but I also have to keep the balance in check.

[2:38:27] So how do we get there?

[2:38:29] So my position is whatever this board decides, I'm good with.

[2:38:33] We want to move forward on the 30, 45, 60 days.

[2:38:35] I'm good with that.

[2:38:37] The trailers need to go, and that day is there, but you don't get another bite at the apple.

[2:38:41] Once they're gone, it's gone.

[2:38:44] And I'm okay with that.

[2:38:46] We just need to be cognizant that there are people that are saying, this is a problem and

[2:38:53] I expect you to leave the guy I like to address that.

[2:38:57] I don't agree with you giving them extensions.

[2:38:59] I don't agree with you, but I have to be willing to push back and say, which I am.

[2:39:03] I don't have a problem saying, hey, look, this is why.

[2:39:06] But it also comes something that I spoke to someone very early on.

[2:39:11] Help me help you to troll your own camp, clean up your camp and it's not that way.

[2:39:19] There's trash, there's needles, human waste, animal waste, right?

[2:39:24] Clean up your own camp, so I don't have to do it.

[2:39:27] The county doesn't want to be in this position, we want you to be successful, but I cannot

[2:39:33] legitimately go to the camp and watch damage being done to the people's property.

[2:39:38] trenches being built, fences being cut, trash being dumped, waste being dumped into the

[2:39:46] um, into the porta potty's overflowing, right, causing a hazard.

[2:39:51] I don't want my staff so upset, and I mean, not my staff, but the staff dealing with dirty

[2:39:56] needles, picking up feces, that's not their job, they're job.

[2:40:03] I'm all for helping, but this is it. We, as a society, need to say, these are the rules. I'm all for it. And that'll go back to the other point. I'll make it a moment here, is that a lot of this is reactive. Can't just just win in, but there was no rules of place. Nothing happened. All of a sudden, I was like, now we're in a reactive mode. We can't live that way. So I fully recognize and support the shares position on buying extra time, a different way.

[2:40:29] I'm all for it. I will work with you, you know, supervisor Campbell, whoever it is, I want the people out there to be successful.

[2:40:36] We represent them just as well as we represent somebody who's not homeless.

[2:40:40] But there has to be a meeting of the minds and coming together for the betterment of all of us.

[2:40:46] So that's my, my soap box, which one of my supervisors? Next.

[2:40:51] Oh, sorry. Just a quick comment supervisor. I always appreciate your relentless advocating for our shared district four.

[2:40:57] And I just wanted to make sure that clarifying in the initial question was, how do I make sure that we won't be here in 30, 60 days and so I'll just address that that during my comments and what my proposal and request would be for this board to take action is that we start facilitating that process when the moment this board takes action, which means my office will be obviously serving those notices and making sure that the timelines are held.

[2:41:18] because we, essentially, we will not be back here in 60 days talking about this.

[2:41:23] We are going to start that process after the board takes action, based on what my level

[2:41:27] of support that I'd offered previously to you was.

[2:41:29] Thank you, sir.

[2:41:30] Thank you.

[2:41:33] So you're Vice-Curc?

[2:41:35] Sure.

[2:41:36] You said a lot.

[2:41:37] I grew with it.

[2:41:40] It's not a mobile home park, it's not on our re-park.

[2:41:42] This was designed to get folks out of the while like it was stated and interest services.

[2:41:47] As I asked real simply, has everybody who's been out that spot off her services.

[2:41:51] I understand these things take time, I work in a prison.

[2:41:54] I know for some people coming off the bus through our C, it's a two-year cycle to

[2:41:58] heal the brain.

[2:41:59] So I completely understand that and I don't want to start pushing back with timelines,

[2:42:04] following what people have been there.

[2:42:06] The point is we're not the state, we're not Santa Clara, like some of these other jurisdictions

[2:42:09] who have so much more resources and attack space and we're not the prison where we just

[2:42:14] endless copious amounts of funding coming in for these folks. So we're dealing with what we're

[2:42:19] dealing with in it's it's very minute. I support the 45 day like if we're if we are offering

[2:42:25] the services and we have the people on the ground doing the work and I don't want the work to get

[2:42:29] lost in translation. You guys are amazing. The worth that you guys have done is phenomenal. We're doing

[2:42:35] the work. Can you imagine where we've been last five years and where we are now? This is a good

[2:42:39] to be arguing over. So I'm going to hold the line for 45 days. I don't want anything back on

[2:42:45] the agenda. I'm asking for another extension. Just so you guys know, I'm not going to say, but

[2:42:54] our board's not part of this. Some of us have offered in past times to connect people with services,

[2:43:01] with personal services, with personal stuff. Today somebody was just offered somewhere to live

[2:43:07] by a community member. This community wants to help people who want to help themselves. When you get

[2:43:12] those dicey situations where I get it, all right? But I don't have all the answers. I just hope

[2:43:19] staff can connect people. And idea that I had three years ago, which was who have opened space,

[2:43:26] have opened lots, they have rentals, or they have an open room. And if you guys are listening to

[2:43:31] this conversation online, calling into the county, let us know you're there because we have a handful of

[2:43:36] people who I think could really use help and they can't because of a dog or two. So I just

[2:43:41] want you guys to know today, somebody in this room reached out and gave somebody a place

[2:43:45] to live. So we're humans for people, but we got a govern and we're doing the best we can,

[2:43:51] so that's it. Thank you, sir. Is there a visitor hung? Sorry.

[2:43:59] Okay, so I came in.

[2:44:06] That's your best

[2:44:07] advocate right there.

[2:44:14] I would recommend we give them 60 days.

[2:44:20] I know that's weird coming from me,

[2:44:21] But that would be my, my plea to my board members.

[2:44:37] Give him a moment.

[2:44:38] 60 days.

[2:44:39] Let's vote.

[2:44:40] Well, I'll see you guys there.

[2:44:41] Okay.

[2:44:42] I agree with my colleague.

[2:44:46] My calling.

[2:44:49] I understand what you're feeling.

[2:44:53] Because when I look at where we are now.

[2:44:57] And and super, as a current kind of a loop.

[2:45:04] Good morning, give him a moment. 60 days. Let's vote. Okay.

[2:45:08] Well, I'll see you guys there. We have to raise a gamble.

[2:45:11] I agree with my colleague. My colleagues at understand what you're feeling.

[2:45:20] Because when I look at where we are now.

[2:45:25] And and supervisor Kirk kind of alluded to to this as well as that we've come so far in the past four years.

[2:45:32] I remember visiting Camp Hope is an encampment that's on top of the was on top of a trash heap.

[2:45:40] The people were living on top of a literal trash heap, and the idea at the time was that we have to do something better,

[2:45:48] not just for the people that are living there, but for the entire county.

[2:45:52] And so the fact that the issue that we're faced with now is, you know, how it doesn't trailers,

[2:45:58] It's nothing compared to the challenge that we were facing in the past.

[2:46:04] And you know, I don't want to start a fight or anything, but I just really didn't agree with your statement.

[2:46:10] Supervisor Grief for that. Nothing has been done since November 18. So much has been done.

[2:46:14] And we depend on people I compassion outreach in.

[2:46:18] And G-Sack and Nancy's hope and host and these folks that have dedicated their time and energy to making this thing work.

[2:46:25] And I really wanted to go, okay, I really want to thank the sheriff for his courage and his leadership on this, because without that element, this would not work.

[2:46:36] I have to point out specifically, Sergeant Benson and Deputy Hoffman, who, if they were not on that site, keeping the rules straight and making sure that things were done the way they were, we couldn't do it just with social services alone.

[2:46:53] And William, he's the man, I mean, there's so many people who have made this thing work and if what they're telling me,

[2:47:03] they're the ones that know how this work, they're the ones that have been living and breathing this, making it work.

[2:47:07] If they're telling me they need more time and that more time will be successful, I'm going to trust their opinion.

[2:47:13] And so that's what I'm hearing.

[2:47:16] I think, you know, the sheriff said 60 days,

[2:47:20] supervise them and give people into the places where they're healthy and where they're safe

[2:47:24] then we owe it to ourselves and to our whole county to try and do that.

[2:47:29] So, I agree with that and if there's a motion all second or I'll make the motion or however you want to work that.

[2:47:39] Well, you've got the floor, sir.

[2:47:40] If you wish, if you want to come, uh, so I guess I was the last person to go, so I'll move that we, uh, accept the recommended, uh,

[2:47:48] which should I say here, accept the recommendation, accept changing the timeline to 60 days.

[2:47:55] Second, uh, on everything, accept the palette issue. Right, we're just so, yeah. So we're just so.

[2:47:59] So I'll second that. Um, so the recommendation is that we extend 60 days, um,

[2:48:05] to have a plan and process for all removal of the trailers.

[2:48:13] Correct, okay, just make it sure. Okay. Does that meet your requirements?

[2:48:20] Okay. That's that good with you, Sheriff.

[2:48:23] Okay, thumbs up, everyone's nodding. Okay, that's good.

[2:48:26] Real quick, can you get like a summary of each person and why it's holding them back from getting services to the board?

[2:48:32] Sure, absolutely. I also wanted a point.

[2:48:36] Or how is he like a dog?

[2:48:37] I would, yes, I would also like to point out that I had included some stats that I thought were pretty incredible in the memo and I don't know if the board was able to review those, but I know that that's something that has been brought up obviously throughout this and I think that we have come a long way.

[2:48:54] So I think it's important if you wanted to see those stats review this.

[2:48:58] So let's, let's do the vote. I was going to bring those stats up at the second part with the, uh, the pallets.

[2:49:03] Okay.

[2:49:05] All right, so no further discussion regarding the RVs, 60 days, so all in favor say that.

[2:49:11] And really fast.

[2:49:12] Also, I'd just like to thank Senator Camel for recognizing the work that has been

[2:49:15] done since September 18th.

[2:49:17] They did not want that to go and notice as well.

[2:50:00] Already purchased 120 pallets, plastic pallets. We use whole-person care grant funding that expired in June 30, of 2025.

[2:50:12] The concept is to combine eight pallets to create a raised platform for each site.

[2:50:19] These platforms would clearly designate boundaries for each site, improve organization and reduce accumulation of items.

[2:50:27] It would help support enforcement of existing camp justice rules and the new ones that we plan to implement and to reduce residents from hopefully digging trenches and further ground disturbance to divert water away from their tents.

[2:50:46] The Palace would be secured in the ground and number to create orderly assigned sites.

[2:50:51] The goal would eventually be to enforce occupancy only within those designated sites.

[2:50:57] Currently there are enough pellets to create 15 platforms.

[2:51:02] Sergeant Benson actually developed a site diagram for the board's reference.

[2:51:05] I gave you each a copy, kind of current.

[2:51:10] What it looks like now, and then what it could look like with these pallets.

[2:51:14] It could possibly fit approximately 39 sites.

[2:51:18] We don't have those pallets right now.

[2:51:19] But if you look at that A and B labeled 10 spaces,

[2:51:24] continued car camping in that center island,

[2:51:27] and then nosed in parking for residents and visitors along the west boundary fence.

[2:51:32] So that is kind of what we were looking for to do with the pallets.

[2:51:38] Again, we have 120 right now.

[2:51:39] We could create 15 if the board was to approve this.

[2:51:44] And if we went be on September of 2026, we could look at further funding to kind of explore additional pallets.

[2:51:54] Okay.

[2:51:55] Thank you.

[2:51:57] So, guys, you're a visitor.

[2:51:58] As you can see, do you have a picture of what these things look like anywhere?

[2:52:01] It's rare.

[2:52:02] It's just the, that's what it would look like.

[2:52:05] I don't have a picture on the pallets, I apologize.

[2:52:08] There's just their regular pallets, like wouldn't pallets are just plastic.

[2:52:12] Okay, so no costs, like, because there's some companies online that actually sell pallet housing, that's why I wasn't sure.

[2:52:18] No, no, these are just plastic pallets that would...

[2:52:21] They look like the ones Costco uses when they just put a pallet of stuff, sure, and they love the oil.

[2:52:27] Okay, they just lift up with a poor place, that's what they order.

[2:52:30] Yeah, okay.

[2:52:34] There are currently four out there already.

[2:52:38] And did you want to give those stats?

[2:52:40] Yeah.

[2:52:40] You want me to give a stats about that?

[2:52:43] Yeah, sure.

[2:52:43] I can do that.

[2:52:46] So since begin operating in July of 2022, 183 individuals have been served.

[2:52:55] 63 individuals transition to more appropriate housing, including 29 who transition to permanent housing.

[2:53:01] 23 who transition to emergency housing such as shelter or a hotel.

[2:53:05] 9 individuals transition to inpatient rehabilitation for substance use, 2 individuals transition to medical facilities, approximately 12,

[2:53:18] continue that have been there, you know, since its inception, and 31 have been trespassed from Kim Justice.

[2:53:24] So those are the stats, I think, that it's working very well. Those stats look good.

[2:53:28] Thanks, I'm thinking.

[2:53:30] Do you guys are Camo?

[2:53:32] Questions?

[2:53:34] I don't have any questions.

[2:53:36] Well, you have the pallets.

[2:53:38] Where are they right now?

[2:53:40] They are stored.

[2:53:41] I believe it.

[2:53:42] Oh, me general.

[2:53:44] Okay.

[2:53:45] If we decide that you can use them, you could deploy them today.

[2:53:49] Well, yes.

[2:53:50] I have to figure out who's going to set it all up.

[2:53:52] Not today.

[2:53:53] I'm not ready.

[2:53:53] I'm not obliging you to do it today.

[2:53:56] Okay.

[2:53:56] Okay, fairly quickly though.

[2:53:59] Yeah.

[2:53:59] Okay.

[2:54:00] Thank you.

[2:54:01] Okay.

[2:54:02] Public comment?

[2:54:04] Anybody wish to speak about the ballots?

[2:54:21] I've watched a lot of the ones with the tents and the pallets, but way to ground

[2:54:27] is sloped.

[2:54:28] I'm not very smart.

[2:54:29] I haven't been to college or none of mine is like the experience, but anyway, we're

[2:54:35] a pallet or at, instead of putting one, one, one like that, and four, you're going to have

[2:54:41] to build them up more.

[2:54:43] You're going to have to let at least put like two or something to get them up, raise them up

[2:54:47] to the square because of heel goes like this, and the water goes right down the heel, and

[2:54:54] it goes right into the part of the pallet or at, and the tents, I watched it this year, and

[2:55:00] Once it was right here by me, they completely, I mean, they're closed, everything just got soaked, and they're bedding and everything, and they had to give them all new bedding and everything.

[2:55:09] Nope, no water, go right down to them.

[2:55:15] And the other thing I was going to say too is that if there should be some kind of rules for the people out there, if they're going to stay there, to pick up their garbage, and if they're not going to pick it up, then they should have to leave.

[2:55:30] Because a peep, some of the ones that's down by me, they go and they just throw it out in the ground and they just lay there and then somebody else has to go around.

[2:55:40] They don't go up and use the toilets.

[2:55:42] They use the outside grounds to go both, excuse me, but to go poop and to go pee both.

[2:55:52] They take off, walk, and then that's where they go.

[2:55:54] And they should have people throw their garbage out in the driveway and they go too fast and there's some of them, especially this one guy.

[2:56:05] And he kind of ran over one of the big dogs out there, because the dog was laying out there, they don't stop, they don't go slow enough.

[2:56:14] There just should be some rules set somehow and that's it. I'm not very smart. I'll have this

[2:56:22] What I'm learning and then what I see and that's more smart sometimes in college

[2:56:28] But um

[2:56:34] the original plan for the ballots was to grade and in some cases if it was necessary put down a rock

[2:56:42] So that they'd be level and stabilized

[2:56:48] We're going to need to move the RVs and trailers out to appropriately do all that clean up, so I just wanted to mention those things.

[2:56:56] Also, a year ago when we began discussing pallets and tents, the idea of using four season tents, there's much stronger.

[2:57:09] And making them uniform so that they're all the same size.

[2:57:14] was part of the discussion. We need to come up with funding for that. There's $750 a

[2:57:20] tip, but they'll last a lot longer. So, you know, we could talk about maybe getting some

[2:57:25] public personalized funding for those kinds of things. It's not a huge amount of money.

[2:57:33] That's just started to create the vision for what we intended for that to be with the

[2:57:38] Thanks.

[2:57:43] Just real quickly, I just wanted to say if you guys can see the drawings of the proposed

[2:57:47] pallet sites or the pictures, those were developed by Sergeant Benson and the slopes

[2:57:53] were factored in.

[2:57:54] You can see the big red area that says no camping, no parking, and that area that wraps

[2:57:59] along the fence.

[2:57:59] That's most of the area that's really sloped and would take a lot of development where

[2:58:04] the trailers are.

[2:58:05] have already been graded and rocked at some point.

[2:58:07] So we think probably minimal work to get 15 sites,

[2:58:11] at least, up and ready.

[2:58:15] Thank you.

[2:58:19] OK, seeing no further kind of will bring it back to the board.

[2:58:22] I'm going to go ahead and lead off.

[2:58:24] The reason why I wanted to split these two

[2:58:25] is because of exactly what Mr. Crosby stated

[2:58:28] is that in order to rehab this location,

[2:58:32] the trailer's needed to come out, things like that.

[2:58:34] So that's why these deadlines or these timelines

[2:58:36] are so important because when things continue to get delayed it just makes it harder and more expensive

[2:58:42] as we go through time. So what I would like to see and I don't know if it's possible but we can

[2:58:49] kick it out is can we come up with a plan to do this simultaneously? Remove all the the trailers

[2:58:57] within the 60 days and then assess where we're going to put the first 15 get those ready and then

[2:59:03] a plan to either re-grade re-rock and specifically designate the platforms so that when we do

[2:59:12] this we do it all at once we make it as efficient as possible and that we make it as inexpensive

[3:00:00] So that when we do this, we do it all at once. We make it as efficient as possible and that we make it as inexpensive as possible. So that we're not, you know, recreating the wheel. So that would be my, my question to the committee or to the staff.

[3:00:16] Secondly, to the, the, the nice lady who was talking about, you're both doing this on me. So pick one. Thank you.

[3:00:23] Regarding the the the slope I agree with you that's one of the things that I saw that's one of the things I specifically was concerned about

[3:00:30] Was the amount of damage being due done to the ground and those locations so I don't believe

[3:00:36] Per this

[3:00:37] map there will not be any camping in that area so there we don't palates and then lastly my understanding

[3:00:43] Having spoken to Mr. Proud being a few days ago

[3:00:47] Is that each pallet would be I think they're four by four four feet by four feet

[3:00:53] And so it would be, I think, the 4x4 or 3x3 or 4x4, either way, there would be 2 of them.

[3:01:01] If you will, 2 of them set side by side. So that would be how each camping area in my understanding is that

[3:01:08] your tent and all of the belongings would be on those pallets and that it would not be on the ground.

[3:01:15] So all of those persons belongings would be there. It would be nice and tidy and clean.

[3:01:19] we would know who needed medical response and there in the event there was a call came out.

[3:01:24] We could say, and I agree, thank you, Sergeant Benson, for putting it this together.

[3:01:31] For so we would know how that goes. So if we're going to move forward, which I'm all totally

[3:01:34] for, it was a great eye-opening experience of the situation there and how we can benefit or better it.

[3:01:43] But then lastly, to your point about the rules, I agree with you. We have to have the rules out there

[3:01:47] and make sure that everybody is doing with their question.

[3:01:51] Comment?

[3:01:51] No, I just wanted to say we do have rules.

[3:01:53] They're ready to go.

[3:01:55] Right, right.

[3:01:55] I'm just saying to address that position.

[3:01:57] Is that there?

[3:01:57] The rules are there.

[3:01:58] There's something there.

[3:02:00] It's coming.

[3:02:00] Okay.

[3:02:01] You have them.

[3:02:02] All right.

[3:02:02] Committee has them drafted.

[3:02:05] Okay.

[3:02:06] So, could we do the first 15 within, I mean, is it possible to do it the same time

[3:02:14] that the trailers come out and the pallets go in?

[3:02:16] Or do you see that as two separate relevance?

[3:02:20] I feel like I think that we need to kind of maybe the committee needs to plan for this or we need to kind of work with the sheriff's office to figure that out.

[3:02:30] Because I just don't know what's going to happen with each of these trailers, right?

[3:02:33] And so, yeah, if any do need to be disposed of.

[3:02:38] Okay, so with that being said, you have 15 spots designated ready to go now that you could implement and put these in.

[3:02:46] I believe we do. Yes. Okay. You can do that. And again, I did see this. So like the Supervisor

[3:02:51] Campbell was right on. It's like something you would go see a car, you know, a Costco

[3:02:54] or if you would get a, you know, big bail a day or something that just sits right on there.

[3:02:57] They're I think they're three by three or four by four. They're black plastic. They can

[3:03:00] be anchored to the ground. So they don't move around. So if you, you know, I have no problem

[3:03:05] putting the first 15 in and going for there. You know, no, no, first. Yeah, start the first

[3:03:11] team campsites. Yeah, I mean we have them. Yeah, they have them. Let's put them in. I can

[3:03:16] completely, they're just in the fly. They're paid for. We have them. If it can benefit

[3:03:20] people's lives living at the site, then what, why not do that? So. And regarding tents, I would

[3:03:26] reach out to the local Boy Scouts. I know that they, when I was a scalliator, we would always buy

[3:03:30] a new camp, and any tents every two, three years. So there's, you know, it might be an opportunity for

[3:03:34] called Slightly Use Camp Titting Equipment Out There.

[3:03:39] Supervisor Kirk.

[3:03:41] Seeing none.

[3:03:42] All in again, all right.

[3:03:43] I'll bring it back to the board for the emotion and a vote.

[3:03:47] I'll move on.

[3:03:47] Supervisor Creeper's recommendation.

[3:03:50] All right.

[3:03:50] I will second seeing the discussion.

[3:03:54] All in favor say aye.

[3:03:57] Opposed.

[3:03:58] I've seen you zero.

[3:03:59] So it's 4-0-0.

[3:04:00] So thank you to the committee.

[3:04:02] Thank you to everybody who came and talked.

[3:04:05] So it's 1230 now,

[3:04:09] what would staff like to do? Would we like to roll? I would like to give the staff at least a 30 minute, we have a 130 appointment.

[3:04:15] So perhaps we go until 1 and then we can go through, give everybody a break until 130.

[3:04:21] Or do you guys just want to power on?

[3:04:26] You know, I want to get done as quickly as possible, so I'm okay either way.

[3:04:30] Okay, well let's do this. Let's continue on if that's okay.

[3:04:32] and then we'll play by year. So with that being said, we'll take item number 12 next.

[3:04:42] Item number 12 consideration of appointing Scott Fremd and Charles Chuck Sloan to the fire safety advisory committee

[3:04:49] with turns to expire December 30th.

[3:05:00] With terms to expire December 31, 2027, or open the positions for any eligible applicants.

[3:05:07] All right, thank you.

[3:05:08] Hello there.

[3:05:09] Hello there.

[3:05:10] Yes.

[3:05:11] So just as a clarification in why it's presented this way, we pulled it out of consent.

[3:05:18] As the memo reads, we had two positions, Scott Frem and Charles Sloan, whose positions expired in December.

[3:05:27] We received their applications through the portal system in November but did not receive them.

[3:05:35] Thus we couldn't process them in December.

[3:05:39] So we are doing that now.

[3:05:40] They're both interested in continuing for technicality and transparency.

[3:05:46] We did get the other application in December.

[3:05:49] So that's why I've made that available for you as well for consideration.

[3:05:53] And that individual, I did speak to who is also interested if there is a vacancy in that

[3:06:01] committee.

[3:06:02] So I have for you this item and recommendation.

[3:06:05] All right, I'll bring it to the board for discussion.

[3:06:11] Seeing none, we'll go to public comment.

[3:06:19] I just want to say with an I'm out in the public and there are certain things that are

[3:06:23] happening.

[3:06:24] I see checks alone at everything.

[3:06:26] And I'm always very impressed with that.

[3:06:29] All right.

[3:06:33] Any further comments?

[3:06:34] All right. Is he not going to bring it back to the board?

[3:06:37] Yeah, I agree with that comment.

[3:06:39] Chuck is one of the, I'd almost said he talks a lot, but he's one of the people that

[3:06:44] talks the most and has the most to contribute and he has sort of a fire and member of

[3:06:52] the public perspective that I think is really valuable. And so I'm obviously very supportive

[3:06:57] of him and same with Scott Fram, he's retired fire department and then he also sees things

[3:07:05] from a member of a public perspective, so they both have that good perspective.

[3:07:11] I'll make a motion.

[3:07:12] We approve item 12, putting Scott and Chuck.

[3:07:14] Second one.

[3:07:16] Any further comment?

[3:07:18] Edward Ward, seeing none.

[3:07:19] All in favor say aye.

[3:07:20] Aye.

[3:07:20] Opposed.

[3:07:23] And I'm sent you.

[3:07:24] So that passes 4-0-0.

[3:07:26] Let them know.

[3:07:26] They're back in.

[3:07:27] Yeah, very much.

[3:07:28] All right.

[3:07:31] I'm 13, please.

[3:07:34] Consideration of authorizing the change of the name of Pine Mountain Lake airport

[3:07:38] Z-45 to Grovewin-U-Semity Airport E-45 and authorizing staff to take all related actions necessary

[3:07:45] to implement the change, subject to federal aviation administration approval.

[3:07:52] Take it away.

[3:07:55] Good afternoon, Board.

[3:07:55] Senator Tanya Sheffner, Airports Manager for Tualami County, we're here to request

[3:08:01] Prime Mount Lake Airport Echo 4.5, have the name change to Grovelin, Yosemite Echo 4.5.

[3:08:10] This is based on a proposed name change that will aim to clarify the information to visitors

[3:08:16] that are calling in.

[3:08:19] I have approximately four times a month from spring through fall, people calling the airport

[3:08:25] asking about how to get to Yosemite, and they're inquiring, and that will help clarify tourism.

[3:08:33] It'll align with our branding for the area, and it's potentially going to strengthen the economic development and feasibility of Prime Mount Lake Airport at GO-45.

[3:08:44] As far as public outreach, we did hold a meeting in Grovelin August 26, 2025, and the feedback was positive from the community.

[3:08:54] We also brought this to the Airport Advisory Committee on October 6th, and they voted unanimously to approve the proposed name change and bring it to the board.

[3:09:06] As far as the timeline and process went, assuming that you guys agreed to it, we would submit this in the airport data information portal system.

[3:09:15] I would go to the FAA, they would start to the approval process, and we would have charts and

[3:09:22] data that would get updated in their system that doesn't require any involvement on the

[3:09:27] part of the airport staff once it gets submitted to the FAA.

[3:09:31] We would work on getting some new signs in doing public outreach on our websites, and we

[3:09:37] have an estimated cost of $4,500.

[3:09:40] dollars. Thank you any questions.

[3:09:46] It's not the Griefer airport.

[3:09:48] Not yet. We'll see.

[3:10:00] Emmer said, your symphony, and Fresno, Fresno, I forget the name, I looked it up, but in 1995, they changed their name to Fresno, your symphony.

[3:10:11] Which you call it best to your symphony.

[3:10:14] It is the best. We have best.

[3:10:16] Best to your symphony airport.

[3:10:17] Big of flat, and south interests are the two major entrances into your symphony airport.

[3:10:23] Right now, Py-Mount Lake Airport is 26 miles or 30 minutes to 45 minutes drive from

[3:10:30] Py-Mount Lake Airport.

[3:10:32] So it's one of the closest airports.

[3:10:35] I know.

[3:10:37] So if you were to say succinctly, what's the main goal of the name change?

[3:10:43] The main goal of the name change is to align with the regional branding of Rovlin, which

[3:10:48] is Yosemite entrance.

[3:10:50] to what end are we trying to attract us, attract more tourism to it more industry,

[3:10:59] more tourism, absolutely. So it raises the profile of it, it includes it in the

[3:11:03] pantheon of these other regional airports that service your semity, and therefore it gets included

[3:11:08] when people are looking at either traveling to or finding, I'm answering the question for it,

[3:11:16] sorry. Absolutely. Is any of what I'm saying correct? Yes, sir.

[3:11:19] And if you look up right now, if you're Googling airports

[3:11:23] near you, somebody, KML isn't really on the map.

[3:11:27] It is technically on the map, but it's not.

[3:11:30] This is not a thing for the tour.

[3:11:32] Clearly, but not.

[3:11:33] It's not going to be a negative.

[3:11:35] It comes up.

[3:11:37] OK, thank you.

[3:11:41] You're not going to take a dig at South Gannley there, Mike?

[3:11:45] All right.

[3:11:46] So we've been discussing this a long time.

[3:11:48] You know, it's one of the things like I wanted to address right away, so you guys can't but you're absolutely right

[3:11:55] One of the primary goals or reasons that we want to change the name is to clear up confusion

[3:12:00] A lot of times people will hear, well, why are you paying for a private airport meaning the county?

[3:12:05] They think it's a five-mount lake owned airport people in time out and lake don't understand the relationship to and from

[3:12:10] So by changing the name it gives better clarification. Also, visit to all in the county as well as a number of other organizations

[3:12:17] Well, we'll start promoting it as such, we'll increase our tourism, which will obviously make it so we can develop that airport a little bit more right now technically it's a near park

[3:12:28] I've been educated so we want to take the steps to get that set so this is just kind of the first step in the last thing is that the Fresno airport when they were going change their name

[3:12:42] and air traffic specifically because the name of the 70 was in there.

[3:12:46] So if we can get more, you know, people who are flying in, they can stay, they'll

[3:12:50] shop, they'll eat, they'll drink and, you know, and as I will sure I'll get

[3:12:54] laughed at or yelled at by the other airport, you know, obviously,

[3:12:57] climb out like airport. It's the best airport, but, you know,

[3:13:00] that's just me being me, myself. So I strongly encourage you to support this, so I'll

[3:13:05] open it up to probably comment if there is any.

[3:13:14] Well, thank you for your comments, but I hope they're not drinking and driving.

[3:13:19] I'm in support of this because I talked to Tonya, and she said that the FAA will be paying for all the sign changes and not us.

[3:13:29] Okay.

[3:13:32] Did you wish to address that?

[3:13:35] I'd like to clarify that.

[3:13:37] We will pay for some of the sign changes after $4,500 is the estimate.

[3:13:42] And we can absorb that in our budget.

[3:13:44] But when you are asking about the charts and the various chart supplements that are posted,

[3:13:51] the FAA takes care of all that, and there are a lot out there.

[3:13:55] So that goes through a cycle and the system and gets taken care of.

[3:14:01] And I'm sure there's a couple of ears listening to this now up in the timeout.

[3:14:04] So they know that I'll come before their board and ask them for contribution as well.

[3:14:09] So with that being said, any further comments?

[3:14:12] Seeing none, bring it back to the board for a vote.

[3:14:14] I'll make a motion.

[3:14:15] We approve item 13, changing the name to the Groveling University Airport E45.

[3:14:21] It's okay.

[3:14:22] All right.

[3:14:22] All in favor say aye.

[3:14:24] Opposed?

[3:14:25] Same.

[3:14:26] 4-0.

[3:14:27] All right.

[3:14:31] Item 14.

[3:14:35] Item 14, consideration of authorizing airport staff to submit a request to the Federal Aviation

[3:14:40] Administration, FAA, requesting a change to the common traffic advisory frequency

[3:14:46] slash universal communications, C-T-A-F, slash U-N-I-C-O-N.

[3:15:00] We have a common traffic advisory frequency that also serves as universal communications out at

[3:15:06] Prime Mountain Lake Airport. It's one, two, two, nine, or right now we have ten other airports within

[3:15:12] 75 medical miles that share that frequency and because Prime Mountain Lake is over 3000 feet in altitude,

[3:15:21] elevation up there. We get all of the other frequencies interfering with our airport transmissions.

[3:15:27] So this is a safety issue, it would ultimately lie with the F8 spectrum analysis to agree with our requests.

[3:15:39] We went ahead and did these.

[3:15:41] We also brought this before public meeting in Grovelin.

[3:15:45] The attendees all were in favor.

[3:15:48] They were all pilots that attended.

[3:15:51] And we then brought it to their part advisory committee in November.

[3:15:55] they voted unanimously to bring this before the board.

[3:15:59] Like I said, FAA approval is required through the airport district's office,

[3:16:04] and they would then take it to the Spectrum Engineering Analysis.

[3:16:09] It would be a good time while we're already working with the FAA

[3:16:11] with Prime Mount Lake Airport's name change to include this in the items as well.

[3:16:19] The financial impact will be approximately $2,000.

[3:16:23] We'll need to spend some staff time to go and figure out how to get there, not.

[3:16:31] Okay.

[3:16:33] Comments.

[3:16:34] Questions for the board?

[3:16:35] I understood some of that.

[3:16:38] Yeah.

[3:16:39] Sit on the committee and listen to not talk about that.

[3:16:42] Not being a radio person.

[3:16:44] I know some of those boards.

[3:16:46] And I'm telling you said that.

[3:16:47] If this didn't fly today that she's going to take you up and do barrel rolls.

[3:16:50] All right.

[3:16:52] She didn't really say that.

[3:16:53] All right, any public comment?

[3:16:57] Seeing none, bringing back to the board.

[3:16:59] I'll make a motion, a motion, that we

[3:17:01] approve item 14 as presented.

[3:17:03] So you're good.

[3:17:04] All right, all in favor say aye.

[3:17:06] Opposed?

[3:17:07] All right, 4-0.

[3:17:12] Let's see what I got next.

[3:17:13] I'm number 14.

[3:17:15] No doubt was 15.

[3:17:16] All right, 16.

[3:17:20] Item number 16, consideration of providing

[3:17:22] direction to staff on amending the rental fees

[3:17:24] for the community resilience centers.

[3:17:33] OK, hi, board.

[3:17:34] This Peterson I'm here today as the director of Library and Parks and Rec.

[3:17:40] Okay, so you all know the community resilient centers of the CRC's as we like to refer to them.

[3:17:44] We're open to 2022.

[3:17:48] We, those are just two of many facilities that we have here in the county that Parks and Rec

[3:17:52] Recreation manages, like the rental component for those for the community to use.

[3:17:59] All of our facilities excluding CRCs are, well, your board sets the fees for the use of all of those facilities, the ones excluding the CRCs, your board has set the fee to be free for nonprofits, and then there is a rate of $34 an hour to utilize if you're a private organization rental of those.

[3:18:21] The CRC's, when you're bored, looked at the fees for those in 2023s, when they were established,

[3:18:26] and there was a lot of conversation about making sure that those were cost-neutral.

[3:18:30] So staff at the time developed the cost on average for operating those facilities,

[3:18:35] which includes things like utilities, upkeep maintenance, supplies, was about 75 dollars

[3:18:42] an hour per zone, and there's an attachment in the board packet to show you the four different zones

[3:18:47] in the CRCs at the time and costs currently to rent the facilities of the CRCs.

[3:18:54] Each CRC has four offices, a classroom of commercial kitchen, and then two large conference rooms.

[3:19:00] And I know the intent originally when these facilities were opened was to help offset some of the operational costs by having annual leases with organizations.

[3:20:00] So again, that hasn't happened, where the superintendent of schools, that hasn't happened yet, but we do have some

[3:20:04] leases with the offices in both CRCs, so the Twangy County Sheriff's Office, leases in office

[3:20:10] in both facilities, the same with Twangy County Behavioral Health. OAS, through their home

[3:20:15] hardening grant, is leasing an office in Twangy, CRC, and then we're working actually with another

[3:20:20] individual for a private individual for leasing one of the offices in Grovin. So we have one

[3:20:27] office available in each facility still rentable or vacant, and then, of course, the classroom

[3:20:34] too.

[3:20:36] I think, you know, being, well, yeah, staff, I think have done a great job operating the

[3:20:41] facilities at really a minimal cost.

[3:20:45] It's our staff and recreation who do a lot of the setup and take down and then our staff

[3:20:51] who do all of the management of the reservations, we do walkthroughs and all kinds of things,

[3:20:55] make sure that the facilities are locked and unlocked, a lot of times on the weekends when we

[3:21:00] run into issues with our access control system. Nevertheless, there are, you know, there

[3:21:06] are costs to operate. I included in the memo that costs for the last three years since they've

[3:21:11] been opened for what the expenses are and then what the revenue is and then what the estimated

[3:21:15] budget is for this current year. We're getting or refining those revenues and expenses. But

[3:21:22] Certainly there is still a county cost operating the facilities so that's kind of one side of the coin the other side of the coin is that despite the fact that your board opted to

[3:21:37] subsidize part of the cost of renting the facilities there are still plenty of folks that is still cost prohibitive and you know I do want to know that

[3:21:46] most of the people who utilize the facilities these days actually don't have an issue with with the cost of the facility.

[3:21:52] It's usually only those, those usually nonprofits that are providing like a free service to the community.

[3:21:58] And of course, they're just trying to, you know, it's usually volunteers doing excellent work in the community.

[3:22:03] As an example, we have a group in Groveland that puts on a free Thanksgiving meal to the community.

[3:22:10] It's amazing work that they do.

[3:22:11] They operate exclusively on donations, and so renting a facility for the whole day is pretty substantial for them as far as I cost.

[3:22:20] So, and then we also, your board also determined that county departments that want to use the CRCs would also pay the fee.

[3:22:28] And that was because there was a concern that if county departments were using the facilities, all of the time for trainings and, you know, really good things,

[3:22:37] that then that would, and if they weren't pain, then that would not, that would not leave a lot of opportunity for the public to utilize the facilities to pay to help offset the cost.

[3:22:48] So we sort of find ourselves in kind of two sides of the coin. We have costs very real cost to operate and I think we're doing doing a good job at being lean and mean.

[3:22:58] But yet we also still have people who want to utilize the facilities and can't always afford to, whether it's nonprofits, providing really good service,

[3:23:06] Well, not profits, but specifically those groups that provide kind of those free services, community services as well as some county departments that maybe don't have you know the general fund departments that you know or don't have their own funding sources.

[3:23:22] So that's kind of where we find ourselves and so, you know, at your board's workshop last year there was some conversation about adjusting these rental fees.

[3:23:31] And so I'm here just looking for any direction that you might have on what you want to do for if you want to adjust the fees for a specific, you know, if you want to go back to maybe how the other facilities are.

[3:23:43] The other non-CRC facilities where non-profits don't pay anything, if you want to consider

[3:23:49] anything related to county departments, or if you want to maybe have a different fee

[3:23:54] for a girlfriend as opposed to a tewalame, because of course tewalame, just with the amount

[3:23:58] of population that lives in the side of the river we'll say, there's just a larger population

[3:24:05] drawn so they're used much more, tewalame is used much more than the girlfriend is, so I'm just

[3:24:10] I'm going to throw those considerations out there for you and have you to answer any questions.

[3:24:15] All right, bring to the board.

[3:24:18] Sure.

[3:24:19] Thank you, Liz.

[3:24:21] And you did a good job kind of laying out the situation.

[3:24:24] And this has always kind of been the problem with the CRCs.

[3:24:26] It is, what are they for?

[3:24:28] Are they for as a wedding party venue or as a meeting place for public groups?

[3:24:36] because there's a very big difference in what each group would be able to pay.

[3:24:42] So my question is, how much interest, I guess you can do, and divide them up,

[3:24:48] how much interest they need to see or see, have you seen for what?

[3:25:00] Your talk, but she handles all of the phone calls that come in. What I will say is we are getting

[3:25:05] more and more interest. And that is one of the areas where we have opportunity to increase

[3:25:10] our revenue is to advertise that we are a venue where you could hold a conference. At one point,

[3:25:17] the state's wildfire task force is coming here to Chinese camp in March if you didn't know.

[3:25:22] At one point, they were talking to us about using the 12 MCRC. So there is an opportunity to utilize

[3:25:28] that for like meeting spaces also we do get a lot of wedding

[3:25:31] like receptions we've had funerals we've had all kinds of those kinds of

[3:25:36] events but i think there's a lot of opportunity to advertise this space that it's available

[3:25:39] so it's more and more

[3:25:41] but up until this point it's been mostly kind of meeting space yeah and and that's

[3:25:46] to me that's the issue and where we need to figure it out is is the

[3:25:50] for oh as a wedding venue it's underutilized i'm just gonna say weddings but any kind of

[3:25:58] like if you compare the cost of writing the CRC versus the opera hall or any number of other private ventures,

[3:26:08] it's half what it is there. So it is a bargain for those kind of parties.

[3:26:14] But then when you talk about the legal women voters wants to do an event or something,

[3:26:20] it's almost too much. It's more than you would expect a nonprofit group to be able to pay.

[3:26:26] And I think just to add to that, I think that's why we have the other facilities that

[3:26:30] we have, like the library meeting room, the gym, like community hall, some of those other

[3:26:33] spaces for those kinds of groups, but, yes, you're.

[3:26:36] So would you recommend that we emphasize it as a wedding party venue, more?

[3:26:46] I mean, is that what you're saying that we should be doing that more, and then should we look

[3:26:50] increasing the costs for those types of uses.

[3:26:56] I'm going to jump in only because this has really been me driving this and I don't want

[3:26:59] to put her on the spot.

[3:27:01] So the issue is, your question is, how much interest is there in the facilities?

[3:27:07] The real question is, how much are we losing because they can't afford it?

[3:27:12] So where this came from is that in Groveland where we only have 4 to 5,000 people,

[3:27:19] Right, they're paying the exact same amount as Tualmi, where you have 45,000 people.

[3:27:24] So you have a lot more opportunity for the people of Tualmi to use that 45,000 people in Tualmi city.

[3:27:31] You know, I mean the North County, so my point being is that as she stated, you know, we lost the community hall two years ago, three years ago.

[3:27:43] So the non-profits that we're using that for zero haven't been able to use that they're

[3:27:48] being forced to use the CRC, which they understand, it's a great deal, you're actually

[3:27:53] right.

[3:27:54] I mean, it's kind of a mixed blessing, right?

[3:27:55] Once people realize, oh, look at what you got versus what you were using, right?

[3:27:59] So the issue isn't that we don't have opportunity, this, the people in the Grovelin area

[3:28:06] or South County can't afford or choose not to pay, because it's how much per hour,

[3:28:14] So it's going to round up 60 bucks per hour, so that's time, so and then if you use all four zones, it's 240 an hour, and if you have an all day event, so that's 240 times eight, thank you.

[3:28:28] right so it's just cost prohibitive for a nonprofit in in groveland to spend that amount

[3:28:35] of money especially as she referenced the you know we spend two entire days serving five

[3:28:44] to six hundred dollars or five to six hundred meals and Thanksgiving and all those

[3:28:50] of donations get chewed up by the amount of amount of that we are charging that building

[3:28:54] I thought that issue was resolved, but it's still there.

[3:28:59] Yeah, I mean, we worked for the calendar,

[3:29:02] great job working with them, and they, you know,

[3:29:03] they were happy and did the best.

[3:29:05] Yeah, it felt like that was worked out, right?

[3:29:08] No, no, we still had to charge them.

[3:29:10] No, there's no, so right now in a few ordinance,

[3:29:12] there's no ability to waive the fee.

[3:29:14] That's really what we're looking at.

[3:29:16] Well, and then, maybe.

[3:29:17] So what do you want to do with that?

[3:29:19] So another example of that is there's a craft fair,

[3:29:22] And the craft fair, they had to pay not just the two days, but they had to pay the entire

[3:29:29] evening.

[3:29:30] So at two in the morning, they had to pay per hour to keep that facility there.

[3:29:35] What are you suggesting?

[3:29:37] So my suggestion is that we come up with a way to offset the cost of the CRC, so that non-profits

[3:29:46] and so we can get more usage out of that.

[3:29:48] We'll come up with a ways, is...

[3:30:00] Well, that's the need, gritty. So what is the way that we do that? Because we've been over as many, many times, and there's no way to get a moderate amount, not even full cost recovery, but even moderate amount of cost recovery without charging, at least something to do.

[3:30:18] So how about this? How about we come over the way? We direct stamped to come up with a way to make it as fair as possible. So for example, a non-profit 501c3 designated non-profit doesn't pay.

[3:30:29] They're going to hold an event. They don't pay for the room, but if they want to hold an event and they pay for it, then they want to serve food, then

[3:30:38] You know, they have to pay for the kitchen

[3:30:41] Right, we come up with something. What if we did like

[3:30:47] I don't know, I'm just thinking. Well, here's the problem is our resolution doesn't allow well the board or it doesn't allow staff to wave the fee right right well, and that's that's that goes back to

[3:30:59] who decides, you know, what is a worthwhile use of the facility? I mean, because if

[3:31:05] if there are ways to get 501c3s to sponsor, then they're, you know, bringing in thousands

[3:31:11] of dollars in revenue, and so we really should be charging those groups. But then there are

[3:31:16] others that are really small that aren't, you know, the food distribution, the perfect example

[3:31:20] of that. What if we did something like wave one zone or something, you know, if we're talking

[3:31:26] about something that's small, that's a limited scope, it still comes back to somebody

[3:31:33] else to pay for operating it.

[3:31:35] And so if we're doing that and we're making concessions, then that's shifting that burden

[3:31:39] on to all of the taxpayers of the county to pick up the slack.

[3:31:43] So it's kind of like somebody's got to pay the bills.

[3:31:47] But whenever you're starting a new company or a franchise, usually the established franchise

[3:31:51] We'll pay for to help the other franchise better struggling come up and get established, right?

[3:31:58] So leaving the fees for Dualami is fine.

[3:32:01] If you want more people to use the CRC in Groveland, then we need to come up with the way,

[3:32:06] because even off of the math here,

[3:32:09] Julie 26 budget estimated for rent fees Groveland, it's $24,000 as opposed to $71,000 for Dualami.

[3:32:20] same thing with the leases for, you know, leases for

[3:32:26] Tualami and for Grovelin, it's 17,000 and Tualami and it's 5,000 and

[3:32:31] and Grovelin. So the question is, the biggest complaint we hear especially in

[3:32:35] in Grovelin is, that's my building. I can't use it. I can't even afford to get in there.

[3:32:39] Yes, we've had funerals and yes, we've had some weddings and receptions there, and

[3:32:43] they're okay with paying that because they understand it. It's the non-profits that

[3:32:46] want to use that facility that are priced out of being able to use that facility because there's

[3:32:51] nothing in our ordinance that says so what are we then directing staff to come back with

[3:32:57] another recommendation on which I'm all for believe me we've had many how many of these kind of

[3:33:03] conversation we've never quite found a right balance with with this CRC's because of the cost and then

[3:33:09] you know all the people that want to use it which is great that people want to use it but

[3:33:13] there's got to be somebody paying the bills.

[3:33:19] I would struggle with making a distinction

[3:33:21] between Tualmi and Grovelin.

[3:33:22] I think we should be fair and it should be equal for both

[3:33:25] because there are just as many low income individuals

[3:33:31] and non-profits and things in Tualmi

[3:33:33] as there are in Grovelin.

[3:33:35] That is not true.

[3:33:36] Well, it's not true.

[3:33:37] You have 45,000 people living on the North side of the river

[3:33:40] that can utilize that.

[3:33:42] There's only 3 to 4,000 of the entire South County,

[3:33:46] Don Pedro, Groveland, big old plant.

[3:33:49] So you're saying, I mean, I don't have the in per capita income in front of you.

[3:33:55] You're looking, you're asking a smaller group of people to pay the exact same amount as a larger group of people, right?

[3:34:02] You have the, this is the same facility, there are identical facilities, they cost the same.

[3:34:06] And so that means somebody's going to have to pay that difference.

[3:34:09] Well, I mean without getting into the weeds here, I mean we've gone I mean this this should never have gotten to this point in the first place, right?

[3:34:16] Because they're going to work it out. I know that's where we're now. We're trying to fix it, right?

[3:34:21] And by the way, I'm totally open to having that discussion trying to work it out.

[3:34:25] Well, let's do this. Let's have let's have let's have the other two chime in since we're way past the last period. I'm pretty sure me and I don't want to weigh on this at all, but just a way just a way and a little bit.

[3:34:35] What if, um, it sounds like there's a few specific events up there like the feeding for the Christmas or Thanksgiving

[3:34:43] What if the staff found out a couple of those events, and we made

[3:34:46] Dispessional

[3:34:48] Exclusion just for them because obviously it's feeding the community and I think we can all stand behind that versus I think what Ryan's trying to say like

[3:34:57] You know, you get a 501 see

[3:35:00] They do it, but they're having the huge craft fair example in the raising a ton of money, maybe they can't afford it. So maybe that's where we draw an extinction between the two, not extinction.

[3:35:10] Well, I have that too. I mean, we have a 501c3 that puts on a murder mystery show, and it's all weekend, and 20% of, if not more, 30% of their proceeds that are collected goes to the county to use that facility. Now what that being said, they know that, they're getting a good deal, but they're looking for just a little assistance, right?

[3:35:28] And there's things, I know we're going to rebuild the community hall, right?

[3:35:32] Insurance, that's all going through it to start.

[3:35:34] So like another 18 months, I'll be built or something a year.

[3:35:37] So maybe at that point we can make a difference between the two things,

[3:35:41] like I don't have a nice community hall's going to be compared to the CRC.

[3:35:45] But I don't know, maybe the staff would just look at the events and we could, we look at the events.

[3:35:48] I don't know.

[3:35:49] Okay, so I'm going to stay out of this and just work it out.

[3:35:52] I mean, all right, Kirk, you know, God, you can, I'm real simple, I don't care.

[3:35:57] I just know that when I got on the CRC conversation, it was already in the works and I was told by staff that we would be net between 11 and 13,000 year and we've never been net.

[3:36:08] We've always been negative.

[3:36:09] So I just want to turn that negative into a net.

[3:36:12] And if it's a pilot program and we do that over there and we make more revenue than it's working.

[3:36:17] But if we don't, then we need to bring it back.

[3:36:21] I'm more interested in what rented spaces do we have and Liz, can I pull staff out of rented spaces and put them in the CRC like in three offices?

[3:36:32] I don't care. I'm to the point.

[3:36:34] Yeah, you know, there are some from what I understand, you know, I wasn't pretty sure.

[3:36:40] There are some limitations to the grant like a five year timeline and I don't know when exactly when that five year timeline ends

[3:36:49] because from what I understand, there's just some research to be done,

[3:36:52] it's definitely something I've thought about.

[3:36:54] Okay, well then I would say.

[3:36:56] Also, I'll just add to that sort of related.

[3:36:59] Much like how we've, how we did the contract with TPRD,

[3:37:02] where they're maintaining the grounds outside of the Tual Me,

[3:37:05] their global community service district has expressed interest

[3:37:07] and we're in conversation about how they can maybe utilize

[3:37:12] the facilities and exchange for some of the maintenance costs,

[3:37:15] which may, and then they want to do some more advertising as well.

[3:37:19] And then we just internally have talked a lot about how we want to do more advertising as well as establish maybe a daily or a weekend rate

[3:37:26] To be beneficial for some of the nonprofits sensitive and to supervisor that was more than your question

[3:37:32] I'm sorry in the supervisor

[3:37:33] Campbell's point you're right the the current rules of regulations we have are so strict that for example

[3:37:39] Like I said that craft fair because they rented all day on Saturday or on Friday and they rented all day on Saturday

[3:37:47] They had to pay all night between the two

[3:37:49] So they paid 12 hours for all, you know, two in the morning. So if you're, if you're, I like the pilot idea. I think so we can do that. So my recommendation

[3:37:59] We'll get to staff coming here and say I'm a by recommendation, or sorry, public, my recommendation is let's come up with a potential pilot program to identify what would be best to assist more utilization of the grovelin CRC.

[3:38:12] And my caveat to that would be, yeah, more use, but it has to come back at it.

[3:38:18] There has to be a positive financial, hopefully more people will be using it.

[3:38:22] Well, and if more people use it than we make more money, but if it's able to, they will come, right?

[3:38:26] That's, well, that's a theory.

[3:38:27] That's the idea.

[3:38:28] But I would also like staff to come back and look at, do we have any rented space where we have a couple of employees here?

[3:38:33] I don't know if counties on the hook for any of the veterans,

[3:38:37] Um, Brent, you know, we have the veteran, you know, the office I'm talking about like,

[3:38:42] are we paying that?

[3:38:43] Like, why don't we bring them into the CRC and say 25 grand, like, between the early

[3:38:47] two or three rents, we could turn this into a net.

[3:38:49] So, I'm, that's where I'm at, I support either or so we can go lunch.

[3:38:53] Right.

[3:38:54] Yeah.

[3:38:55] And I'm not trying to, uh, I just want to make sure it's fair, okay.

[3:38:59] I agree.

[3:38:59] Because, and I'm going to use the same, we, we need to make sure that, um, we get our

[3:39:05] financial house in order. I've heard that that term before and we have to cover costs with this.

[3:39:12] And so we have to be responsible and show that the signing one value to one group is justified.

[3:39:20] So that's all I'm looking for. And I just really, I don't like the one side of the river, nor side of the river kind of thing.

[3:39:29] I think the facilities are identical, they sort of the same purpose in both areas, that we should have the same policy for both.

[3:39:39] But, you know, I guess the policy there is that you think that we have the same people from Twalming are not going to drive to Grovelin.

[3:39:46] I can't even get up and down a Grovelin all the time. That's not that far.

[3:39:49] I have a town hall up in Grovelin.

[3:39:52] Oh, don't mind.

[3:39:54] Was that as a count because you don't see it?

[3:39:54] Let's go for the motion.

[3:39:55] I'm hearing some support for potential, well, I don't know what I'm hearing some.

[3:40:11] Good afternoon, I'll just make it really quick. I don't see how you could possibly put these two buildings into the same bucket, just because there are identical buildings. I agree with Steve.

[3:40:20] If I were to own these two buildings and decide what I was going to do with them, I would have to consider the locations of each, not just the fact that there are identical buildings.

[3:40:29] That's it. Thanks.

[3:40:36] Anyone else?

[3:40:38] All right. So I'll make a, well, I'll pass together with the mic on this one.

[3:40:41] So I'd like to make a motion that we direct staff to come up with a proposal to address the non-profit to use our facility and

[3:40:56] What's it doing address the non-profits to use all facilities so we can say fair and then

[3:41:03] Come up with a way to change our ordinance to give staff the opportunity to make waivers

[3:41:09] Have a second motion you have a second motion. All right. Let's see if we get a first up your motion

[3:41:15] Added to when that comes back. I want to know if we have some opportunity for

[3:41:21] If we can rent some space whether it's over there or over here to

[3:41:27] cut. Our own employees cut our own employees out of some rented space and get them in a CRC.

[3:41:33] And actually, could we even do it to the public Roger? Or is there some restriction on that?

[3:41:37] Could we have maybe a lot of firm wants to have an office?

[3:41:42] That's exactly what the intent was, and that the one that I was referring to in

[3:41:44] girlland that we're working through is actually a therapist. She's going to be renting it.

[3:41:47] Perfect. Open it up to all the above and get this damn $55,000 covered that we've been

[3:41:52] talking about for six years. Thank you.

[3:41:56] All right. So there's a, first of the second, do you have

[3:41:59] direction on, or at least clarity on what we're asking?

[3:42:05] Ish? All right. And just, I was just going to ask for some

[3:42:08] clarity. Is this specific to all? Okay. Then I, I don't know

[3:42:13] we should. Okay. Wait, one more thing. Can we actually

[3:42:16] charge more now that it has a regional use 70 airport?

[3:42:19] Well, yes. I'll let that go. All right. All right.

[3:42:22] All right, with that being said, no further comment or questions, all in favor say aye.

[3:42:28] Opposed.

[3:42:29] Nine.

[3:42:30] Four zero.

[3:42:31] All right.

[3:42:32] All right.

[3:42:32] Our second last on this one.

[3:42:34] Sorry.

[3:42:35] Is.

[3:42:36] Number 17.

[3:42:40] Consideration of approving the proposed chairs appointments to the Board of Supervisors Committee

[3:42:45] and commissions for 2026.

[3:42:48] All right.

[3:42:48] I'll go ahead and lead on this one real quick.

[3:42:50] So, there was a typo, so on the local agency information, accidentally had Mr. Campbell there that should be

[3:43:00] supervisor Brandon.

[3:43:04] And I think there was a question on the 12 me fire safe council,

[3:43:09] which I don't see any changes there.

[3:43:12] You want to make coming.

[3:43:14] So, that would be my, as presented in your packet, the only change would be the

[3:43:19] I've got a line.

[3:43:25] No conversation?

[3:43:26] Well, I just was going to read so.

[3:43:30] You know, I don't have, I see that I was taken off the TCTC, TCTA, which is the joint

[3:43:36] powers of authority that deals with transit and transportation into Omicang.

[3:43:41] I've been on that since 2019.

[3:43:44] I'm perfectly happy to give someone else an opportunity to serve on there and a super

[3:43:48] So I suggested that you be on that board back when you got elected because of the unique

[3:43:57] transportation needs that you have up there and grove on.

[3:44:00] But I just want to make sure that we are putting maximum effort into that committee,

[3:44:07] I probably spent more time in energy and effort on than any other committee beside Board of

[3:44:14] of various meetings on Tuesday.

[3:44:16] It is the largest thing that I did outside of this.

[3:44:22] So I'm just putting that out there and keep that in mind.

[3:44:26] A lot of millions of dollars goes through that JPA and there's a lot of competition over

[3:44:31] where that goes and trying to make sure it comes to the county as our is a big effort there.

[3:44:39] And I appreciate it.

[3:44:39] Thank you for reminding me.

[3:44:40] I did mean to bring that up.

[3:44:42] There was public comment, so without clarity, for no potential brown egg violation, Supervisor Campbell and I had the discussion.

[3:44:51] He saw that I had put Supervisor Holland on there as well. He asked me to call Supervisor Holland also, which is the beyond there being selfish. I took one of the seats.

[3:45:01] So that's how I have it right now. In our conversation when I expressed to you as supervisor Brandon had supervisor Holland on there the last time. My understanding was because it was for the city. I know we had our discussion about that. So I'm not trying to be the Southful to the public or to my mates. So I will let the guys, you guys work it out.

[3:45:23] Well,

[3:45:26] okay. Yeah, I'm fine with, I mean, you're the chair. You make the appointments, so it's up to you ultimately, and I'm fine with whatever you decide. I just want to do to be aware that it is a very large commitment and I appreciate that. Thank you.

[3:45:41] Any public comment?

[3:45:49] Yes, I have several changes. I would like to recommend.

[3:45:52] I would like to keep Ryan Campbell on a GCC because I've seen the result of his efforts.

[3:45:59] And when I've been at those meetings, I didn't think Mr. Holland exhibited that much interest in the committee.

[3:46:07] And I need someone on there who's really proactive.

[3:46:10] And I recommended to supervisor Brandon last year that he make a change and put Mr. Holland on the solid waste committee.

[3:46:22] And I don't think he has that much interest there.

[3:46:24] He seems to be far more interested in other things.

[3:46:27] He does show up at the meetings and leads the meetings.

[3:46:30] But when Ryan Campbell and David Goldenberg were on that committee,

[3:46:34] they really took that committee to a different level.

[3:46:37] So I would like Ryan Campbell to have both of those committee assignments.

[3:46:42] And in exchange, especially seeing what I've seen today,

[3:46:46] I think it might be helpful for Mr. Holland to be on the homeless commission.

[3:46:50] And he took over and filled in at behavioral health one time and he seemed a little uncomfortable.

[3:46:58] And I thought that was good for him.

[3:46:59] And I think if he was on those two committees, he might have something to add.

[3:47:04] Because behavioral health kind of languages and the committee expects to be spoon fed.

[3:47:09] I don't see a lot of proactivity on behalf of their members.

[3:47:13] And Carl Rotifer was put on the behavioral health committee.

[3:47:17] And I wasn't sure about that several years ago.

[3:47:19] And he was absolutely amazing and asked a lot of questions about why other partners, like Edventus

[3:47:26] Telf, and Law Enforcement, were not attending those meetings, and he really changed that committee

[3:47:31] for the better.

[3:47:33] So, I would suggest swapping the two of them over those four committees.

[3:47:37] Thank you.

[3:47:41] Any other public comment?

[3:47:44] I will bring it back to the board, right?

[3:47:46] We request the motion, I'll make a motion we approve it with the change that Steve

[3:47:53] brought about switching Ryan and Jaren on left-go.

[3:47:57] Correct.

[3:47:57] So removing supervisor Campbell from the left-go, error on my part, and adding supervisor

[3:48:02] Brandon to that.

[3:48:03] Correct.

[3:48:04] Is there a second?

[3:48:05] A second?

[3:48:07] Okay.

[3:48:07] Any further conversations?

[3:48:09] Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

[3:48:11] Opposed?

[3:48:13] 40.

[3:48:14] All right.

[3:48:14] So, the last item before an I-Scream's at me is we just have to re-engage was that we have.

[3:48:20] Item number 18 is a closed section and we'll go ahead and do that one with the other closed section item appointment.

[3:48:25] Do we expect any...

[3:48:27] Mr. Chairman, we are not anticipating any report out, so if the board chooses it may adjourn following closed session.

[3:48:34] Excellent. So go ahead and, man, court go ahead and read it.

[3:48:38] Item number 18, closed session public employee appointment, authority government code,

[3:48:43] five, four, nine, five, seven, be one county council.

[3:48:48] One, thirty p.m. appointment, closed session, conference with legal council, and

[3:48:52] anticipated litigation, significant exposure to litigation, authority government code,

[3:48:57] five, four, nine, five, six, point nine, d, two, one, one case.

[3:49:06] I'm running a perfect game so if I don't ruin it, all right.

[3:49:09] So that'll be our last item, is there any public comment on those two items?

[3:49:12] going

[3:49:16] once, going twice. Thank you. Beans adjourn. Board and staff in the Law Library at 130.

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