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[1:01] Weekly updates.

[1:03] Hydrology Olivia.

[1:05] Good morning.

[1:08] The following report has data to March 3rd.

[1:13] So, let's see if this will work.

[1:15] Okay. Taking a look at precipitation for this month, so just within the first week of March,

[1:21] we did receive about four inches. Now, for reference, they were forecasting this week in eight

[1:27] to nine inches within the watershed, so we got about half of what was being forecasted for this event.

[1:34] So, not a good track record as far as the U.S. forecast seemed like European did better

[1:39] with forecasting this event.

[1:42] So that brings our year to date to 24.25 inches,

[1:46] comparing that to the historical September through March period,

[1:50] that puts about six inches under the average for that.

[1:54] Time and as in terms of percentage,

[1:57] we're at 94.8% for the date.

[2:01] Looking at projections moving forward under the dry scenario,

[2:04] you wouldn't expect much more precipitation

[2:06] about four more inches and then under the wet scenario, you could look at anywhere from about 15

[2:13] more inches within the watershed.

[2:18] Looking at the local forecast, things are starting to settle

[2:21] down so as far as precipitation, we aren't expecting much over the next nine days. There are

[2:26] those three days there, the tenth through the twelfth, where there's light precipitation,

[2:31] that has pretty low certainty to it, so most likely that would be scattered showers or you might

[2:37] and up with just kind of cloudier weather on those dates.

[2:41] As far as temperatures normal for this time of year

[2:43] on the highs about 66 degrees and the lows

[2:46] about 45 degrees, so we're sitting right around average

[2:49] for both of those over the next nine days.

[2:55] Taking a look at the watershed,

[3:00] this will go, okay.

[3:04] Looking at the eight day forecast for the watershed,

[3:06] European trending slightly lower than the US model

[3:09] with about a tenth of an inch over the next eight days while the U.S. model is sitting around

[3:14] an inch and a half. As of this morning, U.S. model has also tempered down its forecasts,

[3:19] matching closer to that U.S. model. Moving into the 16-day similar stories we see in the

[3:26] eight-day, maybe a slight increase. So you're looking at about half an inch within the European

[3:32] model and then up to two inches in the U.S. once again, U.S. has come down. It's looking at half

[3:38] to an inch over the next six days. So for reference, that's about three inches lower than the

[3:45] average for that 16-day period. So this would be below average precipitation for the 16 days.

[3:54] Looking at what that does as far as conditions within the watershed for soil moisture right now we're

[4:00] sitting around 700,000 acre feet and that would kind of hold through this period. So that sits right

[4:05] average for this time of year. As far as snow water equivalent right now around 900,000 acre

[4:12] feet of sweet, so for today's date that is right around the 50% exceedance, but as you move

[4:20] through the period because we aren't expecting that's precipitation we do start to dip below

[4:25] average as far as snow water equivalent by looking

[4:32] at what that does as far as full natural flow

[4:34] This does use the seven day forecast within it.

[4:38] So far, we've received 363,000 acre feed of full natural flow.

[4:44] Under the dry scenario, you're looking about a 78% water year.

[4:47] And then under the wet up to 123% water year.

[4:52] For the dry, you need about four more inches of precipitation by October

[4:57] in order to get to that 78% number.

[5:01] Looking at Dom Pedro Storage right now, we're at 800.4 feet, or as of the third, we were at 800.4 feet.

[5:10] As of today, we've now hit to about 800.7 feet.

[5:16] Looking at projections, a lot of this is due to timing of runoff.

[5:21] So under those drier scenarios, typically you hit your peak runoff earlier.

[5:25] right you you've already met your peak sweet and then it starts to to move down

[5:31] verse in those water scenarios you push off when you receive that peak

[5:35] inflow. So under the drier scenario this all assumes a full available water to the

[5:43] farmers you would be about 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 9 feet under the dry scenario and then

[5:51] would be at the 801.9 feet under the wet scenario.

[5:55] So those are the ranges as far as wear,

[5:57] Dom Pedro potentially could end up a lot of that ending

[6:00] storage is going to be dependent on timing of runoff,

[6:05] volume of runoff, and then once

[6:06] can timing of demands in our system.

[6:10] Back to that slide, just a minute.

[6:13] Even under the average scenario, you're coming close to filling,

[6:17] but then you're way below the curve there at the end.

[6:20] Yes, so that's due to when we receive the peak of our inflow.

[6:26] So if our peak comes in beginning of June but majority of our demands are shifting into that to

[6:32] lie August period, you don't have the inflows to supply those demands so you're just using

[6:38] storage to be able to supply both the IDNM IDs irrigation demands.

[6:44] Now, if we do have that later runoff and the peak is closer to July, then if you get to

[6:51] that full irrigation or full dumpedro, then you are having a 8.1.9 by the end of irrigation.

[7:02] So really is dependent on when do we receive the peak of that inflow?

[7:12] Taking a look at the irrigation season, this is all TID-only values.

[7:18] So it's looking at what is TID's portion of Dom Pedro storage and pulling that through to look at what how much carry over TID would have at the end of season.

[7:29] So, looking at...

[7:30] President George, we have the 90% exceedance conditions and then the 50% exceedance conditions up here.

[7:37] We start with President George, we remove any of our fishery requirements for this year, then water for the irrigation.

[7:46] That gives us current available water from there. We know that we are going to receive some more inflow to the system.

[7:53] Consider how much evaporation is going to come off of that inflow and then we also pull off subsequent year obligation. So next year's furc fishery requirements and

[8:04] Water frid irrigation

[8:06] requirements

[8:07] From there we have our total available release and then assuming that we do the full available water

[8:14] That's that five thirty seven coming out of Dom Pedro surface water. That gives us a carryover under the dry scenario of seven seventy nine

[8:23] which is more than a full allocation of carry-over.

[8:27] Are there any questions on this chart?

[8:33] Perfect.

[8:35] So with that, we'll be moving into a discussion on some of the modeling.

[8:39] I know there's been questions about hydrocom,

[8:43] HM and our overall process.

[8:46] So with that, I'll hand it over to Wes.

[8:53] We were asked to give a discussion on the modeling within the hydrology department.

[8:56] More specifically, why are we paying about $300 to $400,000 a year, $365,000 budget for $2,000,000, $24,000 for the Hydrocomp H-Time model,

[9:07] H-Fam, of course, stands for Hydrocomp forecasting and analysis model.

[9:11] So this discussion today is oriented to reasons why we are spending these resources, that's the dollar, and person hours.

[9:19] That pre-year?

[9:21] That's on our register.

[9:23] These resources are justified each year within a series of discussions on the overall budgeting process.

[9:29] We're going to go into the wise within the presentation.

[9:33] What I would like to do is raise the bar just a little and answer the question given that we need to expend these resources.

[9:39] What is the return on investment?

[9:40] Are we treating these expenditures as an investment looking for ways to use?

[9:45] What is developed from these expenditures for the customer's ultimate benefits?

[9:50] That I think is the more important question.

[9:52] This discussion is part of the analytical platform that the department uses, and I want to convey that the tone here is consistent across that analytical platform.

[10:03] I use the term analytical platform, because we have multiple modeling systems that are gathering generating a short system.

[10:10] This is one part of that, an analytical system.

[10:15] Okay, Olivia.

[10:16] Which button?

[10:22] You all have seen this graphic before it as a standard deviation of the runoff.

[10:26] You notice that the average that purple line is not changing, but the standard deviation,

[10:32] those two lines, and what does that mean that's 60% of the time that's a little over 60%

[10:39] that the runoff will be within those lines is moving out on only near fresh and hence

[10:44] the statement starting several decades ago, the dry years are getting dry or longer,

[10:49] and the what years are getting wet or shorter.

[10:51] This means that the firm yield, the ability to supply water, power, is going down literally

[10:58] each year at the same time that the flood issues are increasing mathematically.

[11:04] To put things in context, the first 60 years, there was a 1% reduction in supplies.

[11:09] In the last 60 years, that has moved up to 15% of the time.

[11:14] This is, of course, this is going from a 290,000-naked for a reservoir in 1971 to 2,000 and 30,000.

[11:26] This is a little, again, that I've really put that into context, and we kind of go into this,

[11:32] and the customer academy wins, wins to kind of get a flavor of what we're looking at.

[11:38] When we built New Dawn Pedro 1971 to four years to fill it, what I told some business majors

[11:45] for Berkeley is that what are the odds of having the driest April-thensional eye after the

[11:54] first year that you filled the reservoir of was in 1976. And if you look at it, they're quite

[12:00] large. And then what is the odds of having another, the driest year on record, which is 1977.

[12:07] So with that new reservoir, you have to go back to the water that was supplied in 1977.

[12:13] And you have to go back to about 1910 to find the same

[12:19] diversions down the T.A.D. main canal.

[12:21] The point of the discussion is we're losing for a meal.

[12:24] And this technology we're looking to try to recapture some of that.

[12:35] My point is that we're using technology to capture some of the low

[12:43] hanging fruit to redevelop this firm yield, the water supply,

[12:48] or the power generation, so like last year in January, and all of you is going to go into this,

[12:54] when we started making releases in elevation 755, okay. That was unheard of,

[13:05] of course you saw the first example of that in 2017 when we started 15 feet below 801.9.

[13:12] As I said many a time, prior to this, that would be a fireable offense.

[13:17] you let the reservoir fill, then you go to maximum channel capacity to get back down.

[13:23] So we need to refine that and put that water through a power plant on the wet side.

[13:30] So as soon as it's, as soon as you're in wet conditions,

[13:37] the first opportunity you're looking is to cut back the conserve water.

[13:41] And then in a dry air, the critical dry air, you're looking for the first opportunity to release water.

[13:46] So we're using technology to seek that home because times of essence, we don't have the time to go ahead.

[13:56] Yeah, the way I had understood it was that you're talking about the firm yield in the past had been kind of more reliable, right?

[14:04] So there's a less-percent DV, like it's really essentially capturing that what we're living in now is the volatility.

[14:12] And that you're not really, you know, with this technology, you're literally adapting to climate.

[14:20] It's not like it's creating more yield, you're able to maneuver the reservoir.

[14:26] Like his example of being able to make those releases early on with the confidence that, you know, that you'd get that water.

[14:33] But it's operating a system where it's big huge swings that we've never seen before.

[14:39] I come to our flood space as it changed since 1971.

[14:42] I submit to you that it will, because we're working Michelle and staff, right?

[14:48] Are going to be working with scripts to be working with the Corps of Engineers.

[14:52] And this is one avenue.

[14:55] And I see ultimately down the road, it'll be a dynamic.

[15:00] Yeah, we've been working with the Army Corps, you know, they have 500 dams that they're responsible for, and so they're actually looking to forecast and form reservoir operations, so the Fiero with the Script Institute, what we're looking to use the technology and be able to manage flood control spaces. So instead of actually saying, like, oh, we need more flood control, like physical space, we're able to, they're able to, to get that with just the technology.

[15:30] like we used this past year.

[15:31] Basically, we mitigated a flood.

[15:35] And so they're looking at using that rather than doing

[15:37] their old slide cool, just rule of X percent,

[15:41] we just need more in the reservoir.

[15:42] And so we're trying to illustrate,

[15:44] and that's the route that they're wanting to go as well.

[15:46] How accurate are you with the snow projections

[15:48] and the water content of that snow projection?

[15:52] So, I want to ask that question,

[15:55] but I want to bring in another platform, the ASO program.

[15:58] And so that we just got a measurement, and that was six hundred and quarter, but it was

[16:06] plus or minus what, twenty-thirty thousand, so twenty-thirty thousand acre feed out of six hundred

[16:11] thousand, and that's to the ASO, and so that value gets put into the HFAM model, or we

[16:19] recalibrate the HFAM model, and then now we're going to use the HFAM model as a measurement

[16:25] how that's going to come off.

[16:28] But if you know that you don't have enough snow

[16:30] up there to fill up that flood space,

[16:35] could encroach on that flood space, correct?

[16:38] Why not?

[16:40] We have.

[16:42] And we have.

[16:43] And so we're going to get into that here.

[16:45] When you're 30,000, nothing compared.

[16:48] You said 600,000?

[16:49] What is that?

[16:50] Yes.

[16:53] So we have refined that in a literally

[16:56] in a decade plus or minus 150,000.

[16:59] Say exactly, that's right.

[17:01] And it's just going to get better.

[17:05] Even though the core is looking at us,

[17:07] they haven't officially moved forward.

[17:10] So we have 15 days, right?

[17:11] So we have that, you've got to get out by 15 days.

[17:15] The rules could be the same.

[17:17] We're trying to tell the federal government that.

[17:20] So technology is coming into the industry,

[17:23] the hydrologic industry, and you're

[17:26] being these rules change on projects, but it's a slow process.

[17:30] I'll slow.

[17:33] A lot of bureaucracy, I think that's fair.

[17:37] And we're trying to work with three scripts in the relationship there, but also with the Army Corps, too.

[17:44] It's a potential to be a pilot.

[17:47] So they can, you know, since we're already using this technology, essentially, that they can kind of work with us.

[17:53] or a section seven facility which is a little bit different means they don't physically operate it that we still operate it.

[18:02] But anyways, that could be the avenue to maybe be the first, so.

[18:09] Before you go on west, I was going to ask at the end, but since you already touched on it.

[18:12] Could you just make a little clear distinction between the ASO and how we've always recently sort of credited them in that.

[18:18] and they're 2 million light hour touch points for the tremendous precision that you

[18:24] will live you now have with predicting the ultimate runoff quantities.

[18:30] And then connect that to Hydrocomp and how they are needed to, there was you already have

[18:35] taken a huge step forward with your accuracy, thanks to the information that you didn't have

[18:40] before.

[18:40] But connected to Hydrocomp and how you used the ASO information to further inform your operations.

[18:47] So I want to have some slides later.

[18:51] If you could just.

[18:53] I know, but I just touched that one.

[18:55] That question.

[18:56] I just want to get into it.

[18:57] But I'd like to spend about four or five hours.

[18:59] But I got the whole team here.

[19:01] You hit it right on the head.

[19:03] So let me see if I can do this.

[19:05] So you actually answered some of it.

[19:08] That ASO program represents what I'm talking to people out there.

[19:12] It's a ket scan of the watershed is opposed to a thermometer.

[19:18] And it is indicative of the health of the watershed.

[19:22] How do you articulate the resolution?

[19:24] That's how I try to attempt to do that.

[19:26] That's what I found most successful.

[19:29] So it's a spatial issue.

[19:32] So we're not looking at points, but we're looking at the spatial.

[19:35] A hydricop model is a spatial model.

[19:37] You've seen the grass from a lady that's shown where this snow is.

[19:41] So we can overlay those and so this is this is very important so we've got one platform the ASL that now is talking the same language that the HFAM models, which is a special and you can adjust the HFAM model to reality

[19:58] Let me define that so the the HFAM model you're putting in param your put the front parameters you're putting in values precip solar radiation

[20:09] And in all modern platforms, it starts in there with the National Weather Service, because

[20:13] how accurate I can almost see this positively there, they show a lot of volatility in the

[20:20] ultimate outcome of their results, that's because of the initial input value.

[20:24] So these models, if they're working unguided, they'll flare out.

[20:31] Whereas now we can take the best of both worlds.

[20:35] we can calibrate the H from all to exactly what's up there.

[20:40] Now that we know that, now we can say this is how it's going to come off.

[20:47] I didn't do it justice because it is an input.

[20:51] It's an input to the model.

[20:54] I had just heard they had given this presentation before,

[20:57] and I think it's so helpful.

[20:58] So I'd love to walk through those slides.

[21:01] Because I think even just visually it kind of shows you the answer to your question.

[21:06] I guess the one question I have is you said you operate within parameters, who said to

[21:10] parameters?

[21:13] I want to answer it this way, Olivia.

[21:16] Dr. Crawford of Hydricomp created those parameters and created those equations.

[21:23] In fact that's the next one here.

[21:25] I think this is a very important question and I want to go down a path for that question.

[21:30] There's a multitudes, there's an infinite number of answers, but there's a picture one.

[21:34] It's not going in.

[21:35] So hydrocop, Dr. Crawford,

[21:40] I wanted to reason I have a grand kid to do this usually.

[21:44] So in 1989, I went over to hydrocop for a week-long course on hydrologic flow development.

[21:51] And of course, when I went over there, I thought I had my act together here.

[21:56] And the techniques that I can use, that term, that's an embellishment of what we were doing back then,

[22:01] It was laid waste during the week.

[22:04] I see how the real world operates and how it should operate.

[22:08] During that week I was allowed to touch a half million dollars on a micro system workstation.

[22:12] That was a big deal back there with some micro system workstation.

[22:15] That's a half million dollar machine.

[22:19] I was allowed to run some computer code on it.

[22:22] We could not afford that of course back in, but what happened was there was an evolution

[22:26] between then and 1997.

[22:27] of the microprocessors computers got hooked up.

[22:30] And in 1996, it had reached a point where they could port that system from a sunmarker system to a desktop computer.

[22:40] We had the 1997 flood in the old adage. Never let a good crisis go to waste. We acquired the Asian mob, because we could not answer the very simple question.

[22:51] Well, with eight inches of rain Saturday and eight inches, what's the run off going to

[22:56] come into it on Pedro?

[22:58] Now, ultimately, I guessed, I guessed very accurately, but it's luck, and we shouldn't

[23:04] be running our systems on luck.

[23:08] It's very important.

[23:09] We did not understand, so we acquired the system to understand what it is that the

[23:14] water said is doing.

[23:18] One of the things I'd like to point out here, there's 1919, 1962, the Stanford

[23:22] watershed of model was developed. In 1961, Dr. Crawford wrote a white paper on the possibility

[23:29] of doing hydrology modeling on a mainframe computer. That was a year before I was born.

[23:37] So we have the gentleman that invented the science working force. I think that's very

[23:41] powerful. I want to underline that. Dr. Crawford was the second largest computer years

[23:47] in the 60s, second only to the Stanford linear accelerator.

[23:52] So he was getting in as pretty deep stuff at the time.

[23:55] Dr. Crawford headed up a team that created HSPF.

[24:00] You see that was in 1980 and the 70s.

[24:03] EPA wanted to do water quality analysis.

[24:05] But in order to do that, you have to do the hydrologic analysis.

[24:09] And then hydrocomplet was the first entity that I came across

[24:14] to look at using history and a stochastic fashion that second graph below there.

[24:20] I don't recall anybody doing any thing like that outside of him.

[24:27] That's a very powerful way to take volatility and distill it down.

[24:34] So with that, Olivia?

[24:39] Okay, so with that introduction, we kind of want to discuss a lot of times when we refer to HydroComp,

[24:45] we really only talk about the HFAM model.

[24:47] So we wanted to make a distinction that there is two components, two hydrocompuls, the modeling component, as well as the consulting component.

[24:56] As you heard, Dr. Crawford has a long history, as well as all of his employees in hydrologic modeling and those technologies.

[25:07] So under the HM model, you know, majority of the time, real time, we're operating the model.

[25:11] But then we also need some amount of support from them to keep the model updated, make improvements to the model as we get new technologies coming in.

[25:22] We have to be able to incorporate those technologies.

[25:25] We don't have the time or expertise to do those types of things in-house.

[25:30] So that's where we lean on them.

[25:32] As well as we also have them help with operations support.

[25:36] So 2017 when conditions started to ramp up, we called them they came here.

[25:41] And so they were here, you know, around the clock running the model, making updates, keeping things in line so that way 2017 operations were smooth through that period.

[25:54] And then, finally, there's also that data QAQC component.

[25:57] A model is only as good as the data that goes into it.

[26:01] Now, unfortunately, we have all of its ranoff of stations, sometimes those stations go out, sometimes those stations get biases on them.

[26:09] And as much as, you know, we try and keep a pulse of you see a huge change in your station, we can make those changes.

[26:15] But if it's a one or two degree bias on the station, you might not notice that until you have someone be able to come in and look at what, how could we refine that data to then improve the output.

[26:27] On the consulting side, we've actually pulled them in not just within our department, but other departments within TID.

[26:34] So, for dam safety, hydrocompens performed,

[26:39] probable maximum presip and probable maximum flood studies that are necessary for DSOD requirements.

[26:48] So, Turlock Lake, and now we're looking at Dom Pedro as well.

[26:52] And then they also have used on the water augmentation project.

[26:55] So, TID applied for that water rights application.

[26:59] And with that, we proposed a bunch of different projects.

[27:02] And so with HM, we're able to turn on what projects do we want to look at, which ones do we need to bring online?

[27:09] Sooner or rather than later, which have the greatest benefits.

[27:12] And then finally, we are also working with them on the weather generator or climate change studies.

[27:18] So hydrocomp had been used back in 2011 for a climate change study between the districts, as well as San Francisco on the 12-year watershed.

[27:26] We're now looking to make greater improvements to that study to try and then help with all

[27:33] these other questions about floodwater rights applications and what projects we might need.

[27:39] We want to build a project that will keep us reliable going into the future.

[27:46] So kind of honing in a little bit more on the HM model and you guys are pretty familiar

[27:50] I'm going to kind of breathe through a lot of this, but what's really impressive is we have

[27:55] a constant pulse on what's happening in the watershed. Back, you know, 10, 20 years ago,

[28:02] your only information was once a month, you had a study of the watershed, you know, you got

[28:08] your snow surveys and you had some idea of what maybe your current state looked like. But after a

[28:15] If a precipitation event occurred, what does your watershed look like?

[28:19] You really didn't have that understanding.

[28:21] You could do some indexes and say, OK, we got three inches of preship.

[28:25] So maybe that's 50,000 acre feet.

[28:28] And those are the kind of information that you had at that time.

[28:32] And knowing how much is actually going to come into the reservoir,

[28:35] and how maybe the upper reservoirs might be reacting in those time periods.

[28:39] So this gives us that constant pulse on the system.

[28:42] And what's really impressive is the amount of years available to us on the meteorology.

[28:50] More data is always better whenever you're looking at this, so a lot of models only have

[28:54] 20 years worth of data.

[28:56] Well, we have this 92 years of data, so you get that greater understanding of all the potential

[29:02] scenarios that could be out there for how that run off might come off.

[29:06] And for reference, you were looking at over 700 land segments and each of those, I could pull a single land segment and look at what is the soil moisture, look like at that exact point within the watershed, what does the snow look like at that point in the watershed.

[29:21] So that's the kind of resolution we have available to us.

[29:26] Looking at, you know, why we've brought this in and really what HM means to the districts

[29:31] and TID.

[29:32] It really is kind of the heart of all of our operations and gives us an idea of, you know,

[29:40] taking data, which is just a bunch of numbers, and actually getting to where you can have

[29:45] actual, actionable decisions from it.

[29:49] That's what HM allows us.

[29:50] So we're able to continue to be adaptable and nimble by bringing in research new types of forecast data, new types of observed data.

[30:00] And then run it through and see, what does that mean for the four-dompudro and for the customers?

[30:09] And so an example, I think, would be the ASO program, right? This is one of the new technologies we've brought in.

[30:15] And, you know, you go from 17 points within the watershed to now, you know, millions of points within the watershed.

[30:21] And what does that do for you? The big thing is, previously, we had a little bit more certainty in future weather, right?

[30:28] when you didn't have as much volatility in the climate,

[30:32] you had a better tighter bounds on what the future conditions

[30:35] were going to be.

[30:37] The issue is, then it was okay to have some uncertainty

[30:40] in your current state.

[30:42] What's happening now is we're seeing an expansion

[30:44] of uncertainty in future conditions.

[30:47] So we're trying to reduce the uncertainty in our current conditions.

[30:51] So in reality, although we're trying to do as much as we

[30:54] came with the technology, we're really just trying to claw back

[30:59] or accuracy by the end of the year, right?

[31:02] If you're expanding uncertainty here, closing it here,

[31:05] you're in the same position if you were

[31:07] had a lot of uncertainty here and small uncertainty here.

[31:11] So that's really the whole purpose

[31:13] of why we're making these investments.

[31:16] So ASO is part of that reducing uncertainty

[31:18] in the real time.

[31:20] But the issue is ASO is a snapshot.

[31:23] So you get a quick check on how's everything running

[31:26] is your inputs correct, but it doesn't tell you when or how that snowpack's going to run off.

[31:34] That is the benefit of HFAM.

[31:36] So if I had the ASO flight on the 28th of February, now we've had four inches within the water

[31:44] shed, I now have HFAM to tell me what did those four inches do within the watershed.

[31:49] What did that do to the snowpack in the system?

[31:52] So that's how they work together and so for example last year we had almost half of our

[32:00] stations were out of commission because they were buried. So we had no information about temperature.

[32:06] So what are you feeding your model? You don't have information to feed your model. You're doing your best to try and fill in the gaps.

[32:13] But so we use ASO to then look at okay

[32:15] This area is on track within the model, but this area isn't.

[32:19] We're probably have two warm of temperature assumptions here.

[32:24] So we're going to warm that up or cool that station down, fix that data, improve our model

[32:31] state to then continue moving forward with our operations.

[32:38] And finally, as we were talking about, the real benefit is having a single platformer, your

[32:45] part of your operations where you can integrate your new projects and rather than, you know,

[32:51] having another consulting company come in, build a standalone model that has no connection

[32:56] to any other parts of your watershed and only has use for that single point in time. Benefit

[33:02] of incorporating HM is that you have the longevity of that project and you can use it for other

[33:07] benefits. So one of the things we have done is expanding the domain of HM. So we've

[33:13] to include dry creek because we've realized the importance of being able to forecast at

[33:18] ninth street and have those early communications of this is what we what we're releasing

[33:23] at Dom Pedro. This is what we're expecting at dry creek and we're finding what we're going to

[33:28] do at ninth street. And I think we saw the benefit of that this last year where we were almost

[33:35] 70 days within four inches of maximum chanel capacity, even with dry creek peaking and having to

[33:42] real-time adjustments to DOMP to releases, we kept the river flat.

[33:47] And I think that shows some of the benefits from having the dry

[33:50] creek information.

[33:52] And then finally, we have added in Lagrange Turlock Lake

[33:56] that lower system as part of those PMP PMF studies for damn

[34:01] safety.

[34:02] We ended up actually also using that last year for operations

[34:06] of Turlock Lake and the main canal during those storms,

[34:09] because we could forecast what was going to happen on Mcdonald Creek and how much flow that

[34:17] was going to provide to Turlock Lake and know what should that storage be at. So all those

[34:22] components assist us moving forward in the system.

[34:29] Yeah, and so that also helped us with generation

[34:31] and maximizing Turlock Lake generation for the many hydros, as well as having safe generation out

[34:37] to be able to move water through the main canal during 2023.

[34:45] And then, you know, part of this is the future

[34:47] that what can atrium do to help us look at climate change, right?

[34:52] Me hearing that there's going to be a two degree

[34:54] sea increase in temperatures.

[34:57] That doesn't tell me what I need to do with my reservoir.

[34:59] That doesn't tell me what kind of changes I might need to do

[35:02] for my operations or what kind of facilities are necessary.

[35:05] So that's the benefit of HM is being able to take that information of here's what potential

[35:10] future climate meteorological conditions are and look at what does that mean on the hydrology

[35:16] side of things. So this is an example of actually running 1,000 years of hourly data coming from

[35:22] the weather generator through HM. So if you're thinking 9 million points of data going through

[35:29] all 770 land segments, and you can look at every single one of them through that thousand years.

[35:35] And we're doing that within 20 minutes.

[35:38] So just then the speed at which we're able to do those types of things, you know, a lot

[35:45] of models, one, if they're doing this kind of researcher on a monthly yearly basis, definitely

[35:50] not hourly, and you're looking at multiple months of runtime to be able to do that.

[35:56] So I think that's an impressive capability that we have in-house.

[36:01] And this one actually shows an example of how we used it last year in our operations.

[36:07] So going, if you're looking at May 15th, is where that observed data ends.

[36:12] We had over 2 million acre feet of snowwater equivalent in the reservoir above the reservoir

[36:17] at that time.

[36:18] And there was a lot of issues or public concern that we're going to have a big rain on snow

[36:24] and it's all going to come off at once, right?

[36:28] And, you know, part of us, you know, the hydrologist,

[36:30] like, that's not possible.

[36:31] There's a certain rate, but at the same time,

[36:34] maybe within the last 92 years,

[36:37] we haven't seen those conditions.

[36:39] And so, let's look at maybe we need to look at a broader range

[36:43] of meteorological conditions,

[36:44] because we keep breaking records.

[36:46] So, what is actually possible in the system?

[36:49] And by running that through,

[36:50] we were able to confirm our suspicions of there was only one event in which you see that

[36:58] really high peak of runoff coming in in the middle of May.

[37:03] And so the likelihood that you would have that type of event was low.

[37:06] So you could have that greater confidence to, you know, assure the public of, no, we aren't

[37:12] expecting to have this huge rain on snow event.

[37:15] It can't all run off at once.

[37:17] And I think that's really important for our communications and then our own confidence when we make those statements.

[37:25] And so, you know, I think, you know, all this is great information, but I think it when you see how...

[37:30] How did we utilize it in real time? I just wanted to go through a couple of success stories and I think

[37:38] it goes to your question about encroaching in the flood control space and if you know what's

[37:44] up there, when can you make those types of decisions? So this is an example of 2018. 2018, we had

[37:52] ASO information telling us that there really wasn't much no pack available.

[37:57] And going into March,

[37:59] We had multiple atmospheric river events that forced us to be encouraged within the flood control space.

[38:08] As we were moving through, we were talking with the Army Corps.

[38:11] They were allowing us to stay within that flood control space because, you know, it's there.

[38:16] So it's purposes for flood control purposes.

[38:20] But as we were moving through time, they were saying, okay, you're getting a little too far out there.

[38:24] They were getting less comfortable, right?

[38:26] they were asking us to go to max channel capacity in a year in which we know we're not going

[38:31] to get a lot of runoff after this point. So with the ASL information, using scripts

[38:37] and showing, we're not expecting a huge atmosphere griver to come through. And we don't expect

[38:43] to fill our reservoirs, that's what we're using with HFAM combining all of that information,

[38:49] giving it to the core. We had the confidence to ask the core for a deviation of 150,000

[38:54] or feet. And they approved it. So I think that all of this allows us for us to feel comfortable

[39:01] to ask that, right? If we had plus or minus 30% error on our current state and sopac, you

[39:08] more than likely wouldn't have made that decision, right? Because the risk of potentially

[39:12] flooding was really high. But because we had the information that, okay, it's a lower risk

[39:18] for that. And then the army core themselves, they have liability and they, their charge is for

[39:24] flood control purposes. So they need to have enough information from us for them to then

[39:30] allow for those deviations. So I think this is on the road to getting to the point where we're no

[39:35] longer purely flood, you know, rural curve base of you do your minimum flows until you hit the

[39:41] flood control and then you go a maximum capacity and you're just, you know, cranking the river around

[39:45] You don't have any pre-communications with downstream users and it's a very reactive process.

[39:54] And I think that's where we're trying to use this technology to be as proactive as

[39:58] possible because we know there's so much uncertainty in the future.

[40:03] And so when you ask about why isn't the flood control curve changed in a way we've tried

[40:08] to make it more conditional, we knew last year when we were down, I think it was actually

[40:14] seven, 30 feet, that we were going to more than likely get to our flood control space and

[40:21] encroach within the flood control space.

[40:24] We'll make that decision early to make higher releases rather than waiting, right?

[40:28] So we almost created another 600,000-acre feet of flood control space force because that's

[40:33] what was necessary, rather than just assuming 340,000-acre feet is enough.

[40:39] And then in 2018, in the case of we don't need that 340,000 acre feet at a certain time.

[40:47] You have enough confidence at that time.

[40:49] So that's the big component, and for us operating right now, we don't have enough confidence in the uncertainty of the future runoff.

[41:00] We have certainty of what we have right now, but there's too much uncertainty on the precipitation for us to ask for the deviation today.

[41:08] And so, that's where potentially, as we keep moving through the period and that uncertainty in future precipitation and future events goes down that we might be able to make a similar cases 2018 if the conditions are necessary.

[41:36] Make these release. You just do that because that is the least liability that you can incur. So asking them to do this is a major step and then the core granting it is another step.

[41:49] That first step, you would not do without this thing.

[41:54] And I guess that answers a lot of my questions.

[41:56] I really appreciate this slide.

[41:59] So I haven't said that.

[42:00] So you are prepared to ask for the deviation again.

[42:03] Especially, and it must help having this model now that you did in 2018

[42:08] that you did it.

[42:09] So I guess that's my question.

[42:11] Because when you see that you're not going to click the curve,

[42:13] and now you're here.

[42:13] Oh, if we ask for the deviation, that's the possibility.

[42:19] That's the opportunity.

[42:21] That's what I wanted to hear.

[42:23] We have a question from the audience.

[42:45] Yeah. Well, we're aware of that, and that's what we're trying to say.

[42:50] And then I kind of will finish it off. That was an example of water conservation.

[42:55] I do want to give the example of 2023.

[42:58] Where we were down at 7.30 feet and that was on December 27th.

[43:03] And that was the day we made the decision to shift from kind of that water conservation mode

[43:08] to now let's go into a flood control mode and so we brought Sherlock Lake up, bringing on many

[43:16] hydros making those decisions and sending out communications and the big reason for that is

[43:22] because we had information and certainty that if we didn't change our operations we were going to

[43:29] encroach in the flood control space by a significant amount by the end of February. And so rather

[43:36] than sitting on our hands and waiting until we actually encroach, we said let's be proactive

[43:42] look at how much water is available in the future and rather than having to buy past flows

[43:48] when you reach that point. Let's try and maximize generation during this period because

[43:54] why would you hold on to water you know you can't keep. And so if we can bring value to our

[44:04] going from, you know, a minimum flows to maximum channel capacity and be able to slowly ramp

[44:11] that up, have those communications with services like offices of emergency services and

[44:17] letting them know, here's what we're planning to do.

[44:19] This is the track that we're on, here's the releases that we're planning to make, so they

[44:24] could then figure out how to do their staffing and how communicate with the public if

[44:29] evacuations were necessary. So that is another benefit from having this model and, you know,

[44:38] just for reference, if we only had CNFRC and we're using only public products, we would have

[44:44] had only to that first line. So five days of forecasts. And so you would have looked and said,

[44:49] okay, we're going to get to 750. Why would I do anything if I'm only going to get 750? But because

[44:55] we can look at 16 days of forecast and then look at future hydrology.

[45:00] We have that point. You can make those longer term decisions and spread out those peaks. And that's really what this allows us is to deal with uncertainty you need time.

[45:11] And that's what all of this allows us. It gives us the time to be able to manage these extremes.

[45:18] So this is recapturing,

[45:24] the ability when we built the non-pageral of having a true hydroelectric,

[45:28] where you drive the reservoir down, and you pick it back up and spring.

[45:33] So this operation right here, we found out that won't work.

[45:39] Do the six year ago, so we went to our work first part of the 92.

[45:42] Now we're pulling back some of that hydroelectric operation in the summary area.

[45:51] And then I just want to finish it off because I think pictures are worth a thousand words of, you know, the first time we really experienced one of those extreme flood events in 1997 where we had to use our uncontrolled spillways and open all the gates and there was a lot of uncertainty.

[46:09] verse 2017, where there was that early communication, we were able to use purely just our

[46:15] dated spillways and to lock in a value and say okay we're going to target 16,000 CFS rather

[46:23] than we're just going to let it flow and see how much comes out of 1997 and then looking

[46:29] at how we operated in a two-year drought in 1996 to 1977 and where the reservoir ended up

[46:36] compared to being able to go through the dryest four years and, you know, 1,000, 100 years

[46:44] are potentially even worse than that. And still have some storage left over within the reservoir.

[46:51] I think that shows the ability to adapt to these conditions, these longer dry periods,

[46:58] these wetter wet periods. I would say there's one picture that you're missing. From 1997 to 2017,

[47:05] to, you know, we could have put a picture of February of 2023 with the reservoir, not spilling.

[47:11] Because I think that's super impactful.

[47:13] When you open those gates, it's millions of dollars to the district of staff time.

[47:16] It's huge.

[47:18] And I'll tell you, it's gut-wrenching when you have to open that.

[47:20] And no, there's life and property downstream.

[47:24] And it's just a huge obligation for the district to be able to utilize technology,

[47:31] to be able to mitigate that just from ever happening.

[47:34] I think is a huge benefit to the district and really the community.

[47:41] That's my last slide to if there's any questions.

[47:43] A couple questions.

[47:45] Lesson, I think you would know or Michelle would know.

[47:49] Our contract with HydroComp mentioned it's HBAMs.

[47:52] We could use the software.

[47:54] It's licensed software, correct?

[47:56] You half of that is consulting?

[48:00] More than half of that about 340,000.

[48:03] consulting mean. What is it mean? I understand what consulting is but yeah so smart also you know how

[48:11] to use a software. Do you need to ask them questions? So the consulting also has project components

[48:19] so like this year under consulting is the water augmentation studies, the weather generator studies.

[48:25] So that's where they're actually being involved in the projects to look at, you know, if we add

[48:31] in the projects?

[48:32] What was that?

[48:33] They helped design the projects?

[48:35] Yes.

[48:35] They look at the hydrologic benefits of those projects, like they're, so the water agmentation

[48:41] studies, they're actually like kind of pretending like that project exists and they build

[48:45] the model to...

[48:46] They don't charge extra for that.

[48:48] That's the consulting.

[48:49] That's part of the consulting component.

[48:51] We don't charge extra.

[48:52] It's all part of the consulting.

[48:53] It's all within the budget.

[48:55] Whether you do have projects with them or not, it's a flat area.

[48:59] No.

[48:59] The consulting changes by projects.

[49:01] So, there's the HFAM software component, and we always keep like an amount for, you know,

[49:07] potential flood risk, and that's about $120,000 of the project is just for the model,

[49:16] them making a model improvements that aspect.

[49:18] For the consulting, that's going to change based on projects.

[49:21] So, it could be that if we have no projects, that you're just doing that, you know,

[49:26] $120,000 for just the model, but the more projects you add, then that's where you have this expansion.

[49:33] So last years, I know, was damn safety used it for the probable maximum flood, so they were redesigning that component.

[49:44] That was the additional consulting, and so this year was the water augmentation studies.

[49:48] The climate generator is really that what she showed you, the, how do you explain that?

[49:53] I'm trying to show the graph of all the

[49:55] requirements of what could potentially happen in the future.

[50:47] So, as I understand it also, I think this could be helpful for the board,

[50:51] because it was helpful for me.

[50:53] Just like if you want to make any tweets to the model at all,

[50:56] you can't do that.

[50:58] No, we don't.

[50:59] The code is, that's there.

[51:01] I mean, the computer is a loan.

[51:03] I mean, it's due to those changes.

[51:06] We might make some suggestions.

[51:07] Like they come.

[51:08] They have the cool thing work.

[51:09] I just needed it from a business standpoint to ask.

[51:12] No, I understand that.

[51:12] The consulting is, I understand the software.

[51:15] Yeah, yeah.

[51:16] This need to know the consulting basis.

[51:19] Yeah.

[51:19] No, I understand.

[51:20] You don't need to repeat everything you just said.

[51:22] So thank you.

[51:24] Any other questions?

[51:26] As you come to work every day,

[51:28] is there any tools, reports, technology?

[51:31] Anything out there that you wish you had

[51:34] that you're not getting now?

[51:37] I mean, there are some, and that's actually some of the things that we're working with

[51:40] Scripts on to try and bring some of those in house.

[51:44] So there's Scripts has its own forecasting tool where you can get specific locations for

[51:50] Forecast because right now, if you're using the US or European, you're limited to actually

[51:54] Airports.

[51:55] That's where you can get .4, like accurate .4 cast is Airports.

[51:59] And there's not a lot of airports in the watershed.

[52:02] So with scripts, we would be able to actually get point forecasts at different locations within the watershed.

[52:09] So that's something that we're trying to bring online with that relationship.

[52:13] And then there's also some radars that script has that looks at freezing level because, you know, we have these freezing level forecasts,

[52:22] but actually being able to have an up-looking radar that tracks how that freezing level changes when it goes from the hills into the woods.

[52:30] That gives us a real real-time understanding of where those snow lines are going to be, because it does change a lot throughout a and a bit.

[52:43] I would encourage you in future years, bring those opportunities to the board.

[52:51] Yes, so those are part of the contract, the board, a professor move forward with the relationship with scripts that we'll bring in.

[52:59] Got them all, your friends, any more questions?

[53:02] No, it's very impressive.

[53:03] Very, very impressive.

[53:04] Thank you so much.

[53:05] There's no way we have one for the audience.

[53:07] Is that accurate?

[53:38] Well, you can answer that.

[53:39] Yeah, so the Army Corps never actually has full control of the dam.

[53:44] So we always have our hand on the throttle, so to speak.

[53:48] It's more of whether or not the Army Corps is going to support our decisions

[53:51] or in the case that something does happen.

[53:54] lawsuit wise, you know, which side of the table they're going to be on, right? If if they request us to do something

[54:01] And we disregard that we have the ability to do that because we we have ownership of Dom Pedro, but then

[54:08] We're taking on all of that risk

[54:11] and liability

[54:13] Whatever those consequences are from that decision

[54:18] No, so M.I.D. is because T.I.D. acts as the project manager of Dom Pedro for both districts

[54:26] But as part of building of Dom Pedro, we took on sole flood control responsibility and the relationship with the Army Corps of Engineers.

[54:34] So San Francisco does not have those responsibilities with the Army Corps.

[54:41] There's an old saying that if you enjoy what you do, you never work a day in your life.

[54:46] I believe Wes, you've never worked a day in your life.

[54:51] No, no one enjoys this one. We really, really, really appreciate this. This is a fantastic presentation and really enjoyed it and thank you for all the work you've done.

[55:02] All right, we're going to move on to action items. Resolution adopted in the truck irrigation district, integrated resource plan.

[55:11] Dan Colin, Corey. All right, top that.

[55:44] We can hear you. You can get started.

[55:51] Well, we can go ahead and start. I think it's on.

[55:53] Now, yeah, OK, thank you.

[55:58] So I'm going to kick this off.

[56:00] And then I'm going to hand it to my esteemed colleagues here.

[56:03] I had a few words to say, setting some expectations

[56:07] about what the IRP is mapped to 2045.

[56:14] Those are two distinct and separate things.

[56:16] This IRP is a compliance filing, brought about by SB 100.

[56:26] It requires a certain amount of low-serving entities over a certain size submit plans to the

[56:34] CEC on the next, well, this iteration goes out to 2030, it's a five-year look to 2030.

[56:44] And so, that's kind of, that's what it is, what it isn't, is a comprehensive rate analysis

[56:53] cost impact.

[56:55] Those are built into the into the model itself and the five-year look, those costs are already

[57:03] integrated into our purchase power and fuel budget, but I just kind of wanted to make

[57:09] Those points we have Colin and Corey here today.

[57:14] We also have a representative from a send analytics

[57:17] that helped us with the model.

[57:21] And then a little bit about the roadmap to 2045.

[57:25] Colin is leading a project that will take a comprehensive look

[57:31] at how we get to net zero per SV100 and the other environmental

[57:36] both greenhouse gas and renewable goals and that will have a variety of scenarios and

[57:44] sensitivities, cost impacts, rate impacts across a whole bunch of timelines and

[57:52] horizons and so stay tuned. We're targeting Q4 to come before you for a

[57:59] public presentation. With that I'll hand it off to call. Thanks Dan. As he said, the

[58:05] here is meeting the CEC statutory requirements for the IRP filings. We're not focused strictly

[58:12] on cost. Cost are considered, but that's not what we're reviewing.

[58:18] Just a quickly level set,

[58:19] the last IRP presented was December 2018. Very different environment back then. We had renewables,

[58:26] dropping in price precipitously. We forecasted 300,000 per year, megawatt hours per year,

[58:32] procurements in 24 or 28 or 29.

[58:36] The RFP associated with those procurements,

[58:38] kind of floundered shortly after COVID,

[58:41] supply chain issues really hit us there,

[58:44] projects were canceled, project prices rapidly inflated,

[58:48] so we chose to delay that RFP and procured short-term wrecks.

[58:54] We also saw some of the technologies, I think,

[58:57] there's been a lot of interest in offshore wind

[59:00] and small modular reactors or small nukes,

[59:04] they've also had project cancellations and delays.

[59:08] And that's one of the reasons we don't really consider

[59:10] those is resources in this IRP, because we're

[59:12] looking through 2030, very short time horizon

[59:15] to try to get something like that in our portfolio.

[59:20] Another big change, partly due to COVID,

[59:22] is our load changed.

[59:23] We saw a significant increase in load.

[59:26] I mean, we're supposed to cause more people

[59:28] staying working from home running air conditioners more. When you add that up for our

[59:33] PS procurement, that's an extra 1 million mevelin hours of wrecks we need between 2018 and 2030.

[59:40] So those changes show up in the forecast of procurement in this IRP.

[59:46] It's quickly level set. The IRP process how we run this is we have constraints that means meeting the

[59:53] ECRPS targets, the targets from SB 100, the GHG reduction targets.

[1:00:00] We also take into account our internal planning numbers such as load, which incorporates electric vehicles, energy efficiency, and our customer solar, reliability, ramping requirements, and we'll touch on that a little bit later, reserve requirements, and also what we currently have in our portfolio.

[1:00:17] All those are considered and wrapped up into the first portion, and we're working with the sin this time, and they have two step modeling process. The first is the ARS model, which is a capacity expansion.

[1:00:27] It considers the constraints, available resources, and selects the least cost resource procurement plan.

[1:00:37] From there, it runs it through the power sim model, which is an hourly dispatch, which we need the hourly dispatch to show how we actually meet energy balance in those future years.

[1:00:47] Because that's what we use to submit and finalize the information that goes to the CEC.

[1:00:52] The output, we get resource procurement, so we'll be able to review forecasted, not really

[1:00:59] forecasted, but this is, like Dan said, this is a statutory filing.

[1:01:04] It is a single path.

[1:01:06] The roadmap will consider a lot of scenarios and sensitivities and really hone in on cost

[1:01:11] impact to the district.

[1:01:13] That's not what this is.

[1:01:15] The power scenario this batch shows least cost-dispatch and need load while meeting all of the

[1:01:20] and RPS procurement targets.

[1:01:25] Given example of our load change between 2024 and 2030,

[1:01:30] this is an average day in July,

[1:01:33] and this is due to the proliferation of customer

[1:01:35] behind the meter solar.

[1:01:37] You see, our load ramps change quite a bit.

[1:01:40] Our peak is higher and in a different hour

[1:01:42] than it is this year, and this will really impact

[1:01:46] the benefit or capacity benefit

[1:01:48] you get from non-dispatible resources.

[1:01:51] The more solar you add, if your peak load is after sun goes down, you're not going to be reducing

[1:01:56] your capacity need by adding solar to your system, and that's all considered.

[1:02:05] And this is something that's new, working with a send, compared to our last IRP, we have

[1:02:09] ELCCs, which is effective load carrying capacity, it's the essentially how much capacity

[1:02:15] value get from these renewable or not dispatchable resources.

[1:02:20] And the scale, the y-axis is different between the two charts.

[1:02:25] Mostly, it's necessary so you can see the renewables on the left to distinguish them from each other,

[1:02:31] but they drop very quickly to essentially zero.

[1:02:35] So once you add 200 megawatts, and these are specific calculations to TID.

[1:02:40] There's, we could have had other slides.

[1:02:42] There's a lot of background information on how ELCC is calculated,

[1:02:44] but it's the relationship between the, the generation from these resources and TIDs specific load profile.

[1:02:53] Batteries on the right, you can see both for four-hour and eight-hour batteries.

[1:02:57] Those have significantly higher capacity value,

[1:03:02] meaning how they can help us meet our peak loads because we can schedule them.

[1:03:07] But they are a finite energy resource. That's why they're not a hundred percent.

[1:03:10] Because once you reduce load a particular amount, it spreads it out over time, you need a much larger battery.

[1:03:19] You didn't add cost, so if you were adding cost, that would change that dramatically as well.

[1:03:23] Cost were considered in the expansion process.

[1:03:27] We're just not focused on what the cost is to the district, because it would conflict with the budget process.

[1:03:33] And it would also possibly have significant deviations from the roadmap, which we're going to be much more robust as far as cost is considered.

[1:03:41] because this is focused on meeting the CEC requirements.

[1:03:46] The roadmap is not going to be strictly speaking.

[1:03:50] The process is not set based on what their requirements are.

[1:03:53] It's what we are saying and what we want to look at.

[1:03:56] The other roadmap is the story that we want to tell.

[1:04:00] Very specific to TID so we can consider and focus on our time on things that have more importance to us.

[1:04:08] So, this is the model capacity expansion through 2030, the procurement in 2026, which is 94

[1:04:15] megawatts of solar and 100 megawatts of battery to our battery.

[1:04:20] Those are currently in negotiation.

[1:04:21] These are projects we've brought before before.

[1:04:25] So those are still in the works.

[1:04:27] 2027 shows significant procurement.

[1:04:30] 80 megawatts in both Southern California and Northern California for our solar.

[1:04:34] 50 megawatts of geothermal and geothermal is kind of a surprise just because it's more expensive

[1:04:40] but you do have significant capacity benefit and lots of renewables, lots of renewable production

[1:04:46] because it's high capacity factor. So, a smaller capacity but a lot of renewables are produced

[1:04:52] and then some slight procurement out in the curve, 10 megawatts of more solar in 7 California

[1:04:58] only in 28 and at 40 megawatts of New Mexico wind.

[1:05:03] And one of the constraints we also put was, you know, there's difficulties in building

[1:05:07] transmission.

[1:05:08] It takes time.

[1:05:09] So we didn't assume a lot of transmission availability to bring out of state renewables

[1:05:13] to our system.

[1:05:17] So if you look at our full portfolio, the thing that stands out to me here, thermals are still

[1:05:22] in our system through 2030, and we'll touch on that meeting our RA requirements later.

[1:05:28] But going from around 850 to 900 megawatts named plate capacity with the currently under negotiation, currently being negotiated,

[1:05:37] procurements for solar and storage that brings us to around 1100 and then we'll jump up to 1350 or so, through 2030.

[1:05:47] Very high as far as name plate goes.

[1:05:50] If you look at the capacity to benefit those renewables are worth close to zero, but that's the important reason for having thermals this meeting,

[1:05:56] those peak capacity needs.

[1:05:58] So this is our forecasted.

[1:05:59] One and two load is the solid black line.

[1:06:03] The dashed line is our array obligation.

[1:06:10] So moving on from the capacity expansion to the portfolio

[1:06:12] of dispatch or the hourly dispatch,

[1:06:17] we did stochastics working with the send.

[1:06:20] We've talked about that before.

[1:06:21] So this is able to take into account the relationship

[1:06:24] between our load renewable production, hydro, availability,

[1:06:29] and dispatch accordingly,

[1:06:33] our sum of results is we're focused on the mean for all the results, all simulations.

[1:06:43] Now, this looks somewhat messy, but the important thing here is we pulled this data in number format.

[1:06:49] It's an energy balance table. It's demonstrating how we meet our load in the future to the CEC.

[1:06:54] A couple of big changes, geothermal provides a lot of base load resource further out the curve.

[1:07:00] Thermal production starts to go down in 2027, that's largely due to the aim to meet the GHG targets,

[1:07:09] and we shift from having significant exports to more imports.

[1:07:16] The resource procurement table shows a lot of procurement in 27, like we touched on,

[1:07:23] because you get a lot of wrecks from geothermal.

[1:07:26] You can see that dark brown color, even though it's a smaller capacity.

[1:07:31] And even though we're reporting through 2030, the modeling did consider through 2045, so we looked at all the cost curves through 2045 for resource procurement.

[1:07:41] And the reason that's important is we're looking to go to RFP this spring for more renewables.

[1:07:47] This leads us to believe that cost curves would justify early procurement for renewables.

[1:07:55] So, even though it's above our line right there, this doesn't present post 2030, but post 2030,

[1:08:02] our requirements continue to rise.

[1:08:08] Budget.

[1:08:09] That price is going up in the future.

[1:08:13] So it'd better to lock in a fixed price resource now, you get that benefit, and you get

[1:08:18] to bank the resource, and use it for future obligations rather than procuring it than

[1:08:21] at higher price.

[1:08:24] Budget prices are going to go up in the future.

[1:08:26] Well, that's a good point, and that's one reason that this is a scenario to comply.

[1:08:34] We want to be clear, this is not a commitment that this is the path that we are suggesting

[1:08:38] right now. But when the spring comes, it's going to be extra focus on how the prices and

[1:08:48] products were offered in the spring compared to delaying to future procurement. Because the other

[1:08:54] side is, if you're banking on prices going down, and prices go up, which is what happened

[1:09:00] post-COVID, you're now wearing that risk, too.

[1:09:04] So I mean, in general, we would be taking a balanced approach, but it gave us, this was

[1:09:08] a little bit of a surprising result, and going long early, but it is based on the cost projections.

[1:09:15] So that's one thing in the roadmap, there'd be more sensitivities, as far as Costco.

[1:09:19] heavy

[1:09:28] competition, from utilities all over the state. There's no less than 30, I think now.

[1:09:37] Community choice aggregators that are cities and counties that have come together to take control of their

[1:09:44] energy procurement that operate in IOU territories and they're very active in the in this space.

[1:09:51] And the corporates, too, data centers or quantities of load and a lot of them expressed very strong interest in being lower in meeting, you know, basically cleaning up their portfolio.

[1:10:06] Read about that.

[1:10:08] These large language model AI conversations, they consume vast amounts of electricity to run.

[1:10:14] More than I had any comprehension of.

[1:10:17] 30 seconds and explain new geothermal thermal thermal.

[1:10:22] So we do have geothermal in a portfolio right now.

[1:10:24] It's a very small portion.

[1:10:27] New geothermal is basically the capacity expansion.

[1:10:30] The proposed or modeled addition to our portfolio.

[1:10:33] It's a geothermal resource in California.

[1:10:38] Yeah, it would be something that would come out of an RFP, you know, technology-wise.

[1:10:44] but Geothermal runs flat out 24-7 at a high capacity

[1:10:50] and that's where it might be higher priced in energy,

[1:10:54] but the capacity benefits really tilt the scales

[1:10:57] in its favor because it's available all the time.

[1:11:03] I just want to correct myself.

[1:11:04] It doesn't necessarily have to be in California,

[1:11:06] but to comply with California RPS rules,

[1:11:08] it could be in Nevada or Arizona,

[1:11:10] as long as it's interconnected.

[1:11:12] Yeah, California.

[1:11:12] First transmission and everything,

[1:11:14] social with. It's requirements for carbon RPS. So for the bucket one consideration for us to

[1:11:22] even consider it, they would have to have transmission to California. If they didn't, it wouldn't even

[1:11:28] be a consideration for us. Yeah, I was also going to add, if we procure early, the question is, you know,

[1:11:35] it looks like we're procuring a lot early. Doing that does give us the optionality, like if we had a bunch

[1:11:40] of wrecks now, now that the pricing is really high and we could have monetized that and made quite a bit of money.

[1:11:45] So having that pool of raxi is also optionally.

[1:11:49] I'd like to just think it wrong.

[1:11:51] OK, now the utilities are looking at for care

[1:11:54] and early as well.

[1:11:56] Just that there's a lot of demand right now for renewables.

[1:12:00] That one everybody's doing something we should buy

[1:12:02] to the opposite.

[1:12:03] That's the way it seems like it worked out over time.

[1:12:05] I mean, at some point I'll put you on notice, Josh,

[1:12:07] it would be nice to hear what's happening in Sacramento.

[1:12:09] Because I understand there's a lot of room

[1:12:10] or sort of a thrill around about pushing back deadlines

[1:12:14] in order to help prevent spikes of cost in urban areas.

[1:12:19] And so I think it's rumor and speculation at this point, but I'm curious your perspective as an insider.

[1:12:23] Not right now, I'll give you time to think about what you're going to say.

[1:12:26] But certainly, or come on up, certainly, we didn't...

[1:12:31] He said, we had the same idea that we had the same idea that we had.

[1:12:34] We had the same idea that we had the same idea that we had.

[1:12:34] We were on the bleeding edge.

[1:12:35] We were on the bleeding edge.

[1:12:36] We were on the bleeding edge.

[1:12:36] We were on the edge of the bleeding edge.

[1:12:38] That project was done.

[1:12:39] And the only thing wrong was rate based, and it was the best intentions, but on that

[1:12:43] one, the prices came way down.

[1:12:46] And so I think we're all nervous about lurching forward, especially if there's a time

[1:12:52] when there's a seems like a concentration of demand.

[1:12:56] I think Josh is going to hit on it though, but there's a lot of concern in the right now

[1:12:59] with rising energy prices.

[1:13:02] So to your point, Hannah Josh has been very keen and very excited about the roadmap project

[1:13:08] because it's really going to develop some hard and fast-talking points about what the rate

[1:13:14] impacts and what the costs are to do the environmental policies.

[1:13:18] Yeah, a couple of points, one not smart enough to set the table so I'm going to stand back

[1:13:22] here.

[1:13:22] Be either.

[1:13:24] No, the conversation, so I've been here nine years now, the first four were how fast can

[1:13:30] we speed up every climate change policy to get it adapted and moving even quicker.

[1:13:36] Then we saw with the three years of grid issues in the summer, we saw some holding back

[1:13:43] in terms of reliability, like let's make sure that we have enough system on board, that's

[1:13:49] why they did the strategic capacity reserves, of course they're building more natural gas facilities.

[1:13:54] And then what we've seen in the last year is a large concern for cost of what's happening, especially

[1:14:01] in the last 10 years, or rates have gone up 124%.

[1:14:06] There's a lot of concern about the income-based rates on the IOU's options.

[1:14:12] But then just looking at the sheer scale of what California has committed,

[1:14:16] you tell these to procure to get to 2045.

[1:14:20] We don't have the transmission to build that.

[1:14:23] We don't have the capacity in terms of renewables to get there.

[1:14:27] They're projecting that load in California will go up more than double.

[1:14:31] And so with that in mind, it speaks to their points.

[1:14:35] Every utility is going to have to procure to meet those goals, regardless.

[1:14:40] And so what we are starting to hear is not necessarily scaling back those timelines.

[1:14:46] Right? The RPS is pretty set. It's set in statute, 60% by 2035 or 2030.

[1:14:52] The 100% is zero carbon. While there's some interim goals, they're not the exact same.

[1:14:58] And so you might see some softening.

[1:15:00] On those implementations but the first one for that is 2035. So the conversation is a better conversation

[1:15:08] that they've had the last couple years, at least consideration of can we actually meet these,

[1:15:12] what's going to be the cost and implications of that, what's reliability, implications of that.

[1:15:17] What realm does natural gas actually have to play in California realistically because it has to be part of our

[1:15:22] portfolio. And so the reason I'm excited about this road map because for TID, I think the conversation

[1:15:29] is amongst utilities, how can we get there with zero consideration of cost

[1:15:34] implications to customers? And so this process will take off the

[1:15:40] rose color glasses for how we actually are going to do that. What makes

[1:15:43] some sense in terms of reliability for our customers and where are the

[1:15:46] different pathways to do it? And so things can be a tremendous opportunity and

[1:15:50] something that I can personally lobby with whenever one of these bills

[1:15:54] come out and we can say here's the implication, right? Because they always say

[1:15:58] So, red herring that you say the cost are going to go up and then they cite that utility rates of state low rather than the actual bills.

[1:16:04] But this can cite specifically for TID, based off of the different scenarios we ran, bill projections would increase this way to meet state requirements.

[1:16:14] And so I think it's a tremendous effort that the team is undertaking here.

[1:16:19] Gosh, you mentioned the natural gas reliability in the state, any talk at all about how you can keep these projects online, you know, the cost get nowhere to them when they're running very, very few hours a year.

[1:16:35] Yeah, there's definitely more consideration of what you're going to do with the existing natural gas sleep, so the ones through cooling centers have been extended a little bit longer.

[1:16:43] Obviously, Diabla has been extended, and so extending that existing capacity while they add batteries is being talked about.

[1:16:52] They haven't talked about dollars and cents getting into these planets to keep them operational.

[1:16:57] Not specific.

[1:16:58] Not specific.

[1:16:58] Yeah, I'll admit it, extension.

[1:16:59] No.

[1:17:00] But do you change the dollar forecast model to keep them viable option for reliability?

[1:17:06] There has, in the past, and I'll use Sutter generating station as an example, it's a facility

[1:17:12] owned by CalPine.

[1:17:13] It was identified by the ISO as a critical facility for reliability.

[1:17:17] It didn't pencil out, they wanted to shutter the plant because it was losing money, and

[1:17:22] the state stepped up and paid them to stay online and available, and that's one concept.

[1:17:28] There's a potential there.

[1:17:30] something done statewide for all facility, not just practical facility by facility, they need to come out with a way to

[1:17:36] that.

[1:17:37] Yeah, we've seen in the last couple, or probably four or five years ago, there was consideration of a stacking order for natural gas plants in California starting from the dirtiest facility to the cleanest.

[1:17:49] And then moving forward, you should obviously run the cleanest, right? And that was a conversation.

[1:17:53] And that conversation is not happening anymore, because I think that people are still understanding

[1:17:58] that the existing capacity we need that right now.

[1:18:02] And so that conversation at least hasn't happened.

[1:18:05] There are some people that still talk about building new, you know, they're looking at,

[1:18:09] as other states are starting to remove their moratorium on, on nuclear, is that something

[1:18:15] that California would potentially consider after 2030, once some of these small modular

[1:18:19] reactors are going.

[1:18:20] So at least the conversation is happening, but there's going to need some political courage

[1:18:26] at the state level.

[1:18:27] I just have a frank conversation about the goals we've set and can we actually get there?

[1:18:34] I think my biggest fear is it's exactly what you're alluding to, and it shouldn't just be

[1:18:39] picking and choosing, and I think that's exactly what's going to happen.

[1:18:41] And so I think that's why it's super imperative that we get this report done.

[1:18:45] I've also been working with CMUA and I know NCPA is doing something similar with all of their utilities under them of kind of the same idea

[1:18:54] So there's actually it's kind of been quiet about what does that actually mean a lot of utilities have been kind of quiet about it

[1:19:02] And so that will be really helpful when we're trying to mitigate you know

[1:19:07] Maybe just that the cherry picking of the wood natural gas facility gets to stay on or not

[1:19:12] And so I think it'll be really helpful, but, you know, to see into the future, I don't know.

[1:19:19] Yeah, there hasn't been any bills this year about speeding up the targets, which I consider

[1:19:24] a really good thing.

[1:19:26] There's been considerable bills over the last year is about transmission.

[1:19:30] How can we speed up transmission?

[1:19:32] Because we don't have the transmission for all the new generation that has to be built.

[1:19:36] And so that is going to be a huge issue.

[1:19:38] and so they're starting to try to focus in that area as well and then there's significant

[1:19:44] investment that's needed at ports in terms of offshore wind because from a state perspective,

[1:19:50] the state plans have 25 gigawatts of that by 2045 and we have zero today right and it's

[1:19:56] a significant.

[1:20:00] Thank you Josh.

[1:20:00] Appreciate it very much.

[1:20:01] One quick question for you, Colin, while we're on the same theory here, thermal projections

[1:20:05] drop in 2027 of our own system, is that you idling gas plants or is that just a model?

[1:20:12] A little bit of both. I mean, the dispatch considers both the constraints of the GHG targets,

[1:20:17] but also pricing. There was just an economical constraint because of the cost of the GHG.

[1:20:22] Not just, it's both of them together. So there will be times where the thermals will be out of the

[1:20:27] money and we're procuring from the market. And there will be times where we maybe would have preferred

[1:20:32] dispatch them, but to me, GHG targets, we do throttle.

[1:20:35] Thank you.

[1:20:39] One last question on the NIM-1 on our solar behind the meter of NIMs.

[1:20:45] We cured those wrecks.

[1:20:46] We really use those or not.

[1:20:51] NIM-1 customers that we have.

[1:20:53] Some that we issued rebates for.

[1:20:56] We use those wrecks.

[1:20:57] It's clear that we own those wrecks.

[1:21:01] No potential to use the wrecks on all the other behind the meters.

[1:21:04] If we bought those wrecks from those customers.

[1:21:09] There is, they would be what's called Bucket 3, though, versus Bucket 1, and it's just,

[1:21:16] but the ones that we owned, the original ones, those were Bucket 1, so they were actually 3,

[1:21:21] yeah, a lot of them were actually Bucket 0, because they're grandfathered pre-2009.

[1:21:26] Same exact, ones went from Bucket 1 to Bucket 3, basically, right, behind the meter, both

[1:21:32] they were using.

[1:21:33] We are, you know, part of the roadmap process is also looking at, you know, how we treat solar, how do we want our solar programs to look right now?

[1:21:43] We've, we've followed what the law says, but there's, there's some room there to empower our customers to help us meet the goals that we are going to otherwise do anyway.

[1:21:56] If that makes sense.

[1:21:57] That's not currently in our roadmap.

[1:21:59] If, if, if, if, if, if, if, if we like a three, then we'll do so.

[1:22:02] It will be part of the discussions going forward.

[1:22:03] Yeah, that's dirty.

[1:22:16] That's fine.

[1:22:17] This is now wanting to move.

[1:22:19] Frozen.

[1:22:22] Take that as an opportunity to buy a break.

[1:22:29] Huh?

[1:22:32] That's not a good one.

[1:22:39] It looks on.

[1:22:54] When I wish I was Brian and had a dad job,

[1:23:01] you know,

[1:23:08] we

[1:23:13] got

[1:23:17] it, we got it, we got it.

[1:23:24] help.

[1:23:28] This is showing the annual GHG emissions through 2030. The black line is our net emissions

[1:23:34] for TID and we do come in below the targets for 2030

[1:23:42] and questions on this one.

[1:23:48] So,

[1:23:48] summary at a high level, load is projected to grow 0.6%. This is a 50% higher growth rate in

[1:23:56] our last IRP so load is growing faster than we had originally projected. Customer solar is projected

[1:24:03] go to 93 megawatts by 2030. That's also higher than our last projection. EVs forecasted to

[1:24:12] get up to close to 2% alone. This time it's lower vehicles but now we do have medium duty and

[1:24:18] heavy duties considered through 2030. But the real big takeaway is we need more renewables to meet

[1:24:25] the RPS targets.

[1:24:28] Based on the projections to the capacity expansion,

[1:24:33] we're projecting a 250,000 megawatt hours per year

[1:24:36] in 2026, that's currently under negotiation.

[1:24:40] And then all the other future procurements

[1:24:42] would be through Renewable RFP in 2728, 2030.

[1:24:48] At 940,000 megawatt hours a year, 30,000

[1:24:51] in the 140,000 respectively.

[1:24:53] But like we've talked about, I want to reiterate, we'll take the best options at those times.

[1:24:58] It's not necessarily going to have to be that number.

[1:25:01] It'll be the best value to TID and what fits best within our portfolio.

[1:25:07] Any intermittent resources added to TID system, we would be looking to add flexible resources

[1:25:12] like storage to help balance the uncertainty in the load.

[1:25:17] The benefit there with resources in system, particularly the one that's under negotiation,

[1:25:21] it does help us meet our GHG targets.

[1:25:27] And the final takeaway is filing this RAP if approved

[1:25:30] would meet the CEC requirements for us B350 filings.

[1:25:35] Oh, growth is net of solar generation. Our customer generation. Do you seems pretty

[1:25:46] conservative? Yes. We're actually in the process of updating our load forecast now.

[1:25:51] Yes, so that's one of the things that we'll be considered quite heavily in the roadmap process.

[1:25:57] We're talking about the roadmap process and that one stands up to me is load growth is, you know, this is that number is how much expansion do we have like residential subdivisions and that kind of thing.

[1:26:09] What it's hard to project though is how how electrification will come under the system.

[1:26:14] for about the video chip and the I chip and how.

[1:26:18] Yeah, and, and the EVs, how many chargers are going to be on record or worse, and

[1:26:24] helmet, natural gas is going to switch from natural gas to electric.

[1:26:27] Like those are the things that I think the roadmap is going to have this sensitivity ban to

[1:26:33] say, you know what?

[1:26:33] Let's go to 25% load increase and what happens.

[1:26:38] So I know we keep pitching the roadmap, but it is going to be a comprehensive study.

[1:26:46] You're point director I was I was up and click it down county visiting the wind farm last week and I had a conversation with one of the click it to add officials

[1:26:55] They're small small utility right they have like a thousand customers there being approached left and right because the abundance of energy in this in in the area

[1:27:04] For 500 megawatt thousand megawatt data centers

[1:27:08] Those run 24 seven

[1:27:11] Yeah, they say that the new chip, the H100 GPU chip, or something to video, the power needs will be just like a Phoenix Arizona.

[1:27:24] That's how much energy these things are taking.

[1:27:28] It's incredible.

[1:27:30] Yeah.

[1:27:30] Good.

[1:27:33] Any further questions?

[1:27:35] Good.

[1:27:35] Thanks.

[1:27:36] Thank you.

[1:27:37] Actually, I...

[1:27:38] Yes, it is.

[1:27:39] So we need to raise this a resolution some of them off of the resolution all off of that

[1:27:49] Interfer

[1:27:49] Dr. Sanders

[1:27:50] Dr. France yes, director Alamo. Yes, director Yonan. Yes, and director Macedo. Yes, thank you gentlemen

[1:28:00] Yeah, one last question any chance that you can get calpine like absolutely for the alamo GT

[1:28:05] Which you can do. Thank you sounds good. Keep it going for as long as you can

[1:28:17] like it deal for anybody that keeps your plan online for reliability.

[1:28:23] Well, but Michelle's pointing out that it's such a regulated, you've got winners and losers

[1:28:27] getting figured should be in a market-based system that, with a dollar value put on the

[1:28:32] GHG, the free market systems should work, there was a dirtier plant should get idle first

[1:28:37] economically, so there's kind of a, there's kind of a, there's kind of a, but they need

[1:28:42] to make sure they have enough plant online for the middle of the summer and no, no one

[1:28:45] level there. You got a smokey cloudy day. I understand. I feel like reliability may be the

[1:28:51] lunch pin for us. Right. I won't be. Yeah.

[1:28:56] Okay. We're going to move on to resolution setting

[1:28:58] the 2024 irrigation season. Mr. Gavarian.

[1:29:01] Four gentlemen. You done this before?

[1:29:05] Let's see. 37 times. I think. I can't remember. I'm getting old. So today's the resolution

[1:29:13] to approve the 2020 or the irrigation season last week we did the preview.

[1:29:19] So what today at Basia is just to kind of go over kind of what we did last week.

[1:29:25] So as we brought to you this last week the replacing water part of this.

[1:29:29] We're going to start putting these in the spreadsheets from now on the presentations

[1:29:33] to memorialize the programs that we have.

[1:29:36] So at any time anybody wants to go back, they can review kind of what the projects are

[1:29:41] what the programs are, what the possibilities are for those irrigation seasons.

[1:29:45] I won't go over this again, we did this last week.

[1:29:49] So the details basically is the start date is we're going to propose again March 21st.

[1:29:55] I inadvertently put October 31st as Wednesday, you know, it was at-

[1:30:00] 30th is Wednesday, October 30th, 30th. Calls are open on Wednesday, March 20th. Let's say the order

[1:30:07] of water will be that Saturday, which is October 26th. They have a water per the again by the

[1:30:12] review. It says earlier in 48 inches of water, water rate schedules, normal rate, fixed water

[1:30:17] charge, $60, and so on as far as the tears. Government rotation is two weeks on the

[1:30:30] The resolution is all set up as far as we did previously regarding if something does change on the weather side of things that we will either push it back if we need to if the weather continues to be wet.

[1:30:43] But right now we're looking at the 21st to choose start the season.

[1:30:47] That's the resolution that today if there's any questions from the board.

[1:30:50] Can you clarify what part was it inadvertently normally you run till October 31st right well

[1:30:56] We normally run the win the last Wednesday of the month. Well, I am really to the counter and in Coup wrong

[1:31:02] I thought it was October 31st now October 31st is a Thursday not a Wednesday

[1:31:07] So we moved it to the Wednesday. I'd normally do I see so 30 first isn't a magic date. No, it's just

[1:31:13] Usually, again, goes the last Wednesday of October.

[1:31:17] Last Wednesdays on October 30th, this year, not the 31st.

[1:31:21] Yeah, it's October 30th.

[1:31:22] What if you added a week and went to November 6th?

[1:31:26] Not the beginning of the season, the way that weather before guys

[1:31:29] is looking.

[1:31:30] So in other words, my thought is, delay a week,

[1:31:34] maybe start in the 28th of March, or start dribbling it in,

[1:31:39] slow but sure, and do it your way.

[1:31:41] But then out of week on the end.

[1:31:45] So, as we add weeks to the end of the season, that does affect our maintenance schedule.

[1:31:50] And we find out and we're realizing that we have less and less of a time frame to do maintenance work,

[1:31:55] because of weather conditions and because of the process that we have.

[1:31:58] So, we could very easily move it to another week if you'd like to.

[1:32:02] If the board is considering that, I would strongly suggest the board do that today and not wait,

[1:32:08] because what does happen is that farmers plan for end of the season with the last

[1:32:13] irrigation in those things. So if that is a thought from the board or again the

[1:32:19] board can come back to the later date is perfectly fine. It's just we try to get

[1:32:23] the farmer to give them the start in the end. So what made it the end date and they

[1:32:27] know when those last irrigation are because it like putting everything to a bit

[1:32:31] wet. So extent the season all it does is a really effect our maintenance schedule

[1:32:35] And when we get to our maintenance work it just push the things back week to 10 days basically

[1:32:41] I'm hesitant to to start any later than the 21st because

[1:32:45] By the weather forecast there's gonna be a lot of you're gonna get a lot of calls. I believe by the 21st

[1:32:50] Well, looking at the weather patterns

[1:32:51] We used land IQ now to identify daily weather

[1:32:55] We've had four and half to almost five inches of rain this last probably three weeks through weeks of February

[1:33:00] We got it almost an inch this past weekend

[1:33:04] So we normally look at two weeks, at least a two-week window, before things start getting a little bit more hairy.

[1:33:10] There is a little bit of rain for it, as the Olivia said.

[1:33:13] So the 21st is a start slowly.

[1:33:18] I think pushing it back, we could create a little bit more of an issue.

[1:33:23] But what we have been doing is we have been bringing some water through the system for a recharge project.

[1:33:28] So we do have some of the system charged already, not much of some of the upper system.

[1:33:32] So it's however again the board would like to look at that part of it as far as the start and or the end

[1:33:40] Wherever the board would like to do. Okay, I think I'm planning a moisture here for the lay a little bit. I mean, it seems like everybody's pushing for that later

[1:33:49] Water depending on the fall

[1:33:52] The first one is that

[1:33:55] With the way Olivia's run on the river because of the encroachment issue

[1:33:59] There will be no net impact to water, there will be no water savings to start this system later.

[1:34:06] So, it may be financially, or maybe you operationally there will be some reason just to pick the holding ups of lock and shift it.

[1:34:11] But it is a little difficult to explain to customers why the river is high and the canal is empty.

[1:34:16] If there is a need, this is my first thought on the early side.

[1:34:20] On the late side, I have long lobbied for a longer season, because my constituents are largely in trees and permanent crops.

[1:34:27] But Mike has sort of convinced me over the years that people tend to irrigate the last week regardless of when the last week is set.

[1:34:34] And so you tend to have these laws say throughout the last half of October, the users get very low.

[1:34:42] And so whether the last week is in November or the last week is over the amazing date of Halloween, you seem to seem to get the same amount of usage.

[1:34:50] I don't know.

[1:34:51] are getting just putting it out there for a different thought that it does send it just delay

[1:34:54] the same amount of applications of water.

[1:34:56] The base of what it does is that the low becomes another week to 10 days longer, it is

[1:35:02] a normal.

[1:35:03] So when we have low, it's going to the end of October, you just have a 3 to 5 week low.

[1:35:07] You go to the 1st and 1st November, now it's a 6 to 7 week low.

[1:35:11] The low is still 5 to 700 CFS in our system, and it's the weather pattern, you know, there

[1:35:17] we have had rains in the end of October 1st part of November.

[1:35:20] So those also would dictate what we do.

[1:35:23] But again, Director Franschi, we always want to push it back as much as you can, and we

[1:35:28] always from the aspect of it, we look at the main and side of things, as far as what

[1:35:34] that does, as far as us getting to the canal system to start doing maintain the system.

[1:35:40] So it's whatever the acceptance of the board is, we will adapt like we normally do.

[1:35:49] So, Doc gave a preference when you were near you. I would go to the 21st of 30th, and

[1:35:55] With room to adapt that way gives the flexibility. That seems to be the consensus. 30th of what what Michael has October

[1:36:04] Yeah, that's Wednesday. We the last day not the 31st like you had in that slide last week and

[1:36:11] Speaking of the slide from last week, can you go back to that slide?

[1:36:14] Last week. Slide you got on this week. Oh, sorry. What you gave us last week?

[1:36:19] Yeah, this isn't what we're currently voting on today, is it?

[1:36:24] No, no, all you're-

[1:36:25] This isn't in our resolution there.

[1:36:26] No, the voting, I just-

[1:36:27] I think of what we normally would do on a 48 inch.

[1:36:30] All these are-

[1:36:31] These are programs.

[1:36:32] These are operations that we normally do during a 48-

[1:36:35] With replenishment year.

[1:36:36] That's your guy.

[1:36:37] You just want to do this wasn't in our resolution.

[1:36:39] Well, the resolution is a-

[1:36:41] Different.

[1:36:41] Nine point resolution.

[1:36:42] Exactly.

[1:36:42] Talk to you about the season, the available water, the current hit.

[1:36:45] Kind of confusion how you put this slide up.

[1:36:47] Yeah.

[1:36:47] and the resolution is over today.

[1:36:49] Thank you.

[1:36:50] So, Dr. Settis, I'm prepared to second your motion,

[1:36:51] which can clarify, would you like to add a week

[1:36:54] to the at the end and leave it to the security discretion

[1:36:57] when the end is out of your suggesting?

[1:36:59] I was going to say the start and end date March 21st

[1:37:04] through October 30th, or we could pick your birthday

[1:37:07] on the 31st.

[1:37:08] Like that date.

[1:37:11] And then...

[1:37:12] We normally end on Wednesday, is that what you're saying right?

[1:37:15] Yeah.

[1:37:15] And we do that because by telling me into the system, then Monday, the crews can start working

[1:37:20] on the system, so we're going on that Monday.

[1:37:22] Takes about two and a half three days to do it slowly so we don't waste the water, we get

[1:37:27] through the system.

[1:37:28] So, I'm ready again.

[1:37:30] I'm trying to incorporate your desire to be have some flexibility if it stays warm.

[1:37:35] We're always flexible.

[1:37:39] My card is gave his opinion if we're going to extend the season of the end of the season, he'd like to do it right now.

[1:37:45] And he can always, if he can't meet his water budget projections, he'd back it off then, but he's always able to do it somehow.

[1:37:53] The only reason we go down that path is because farmers, if you put a date that's maybe flexible at the end, farmers will keep pushing, pushing, pushing.

[1:38:03] They like, they like, normally, so whatever, give me a date and I know what I need to do.

[1:38:08] You're saying you want to go another week.

[1:38:10] No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if you get the board wishes that.

[1:38:14] Who should put that in?

[1:38:16] But there's also, but there's also...

[1:38:18] Michael has you. It's also seeming the resolution that allows the water distribution department manager to change those dates if if we see necessary

[1:38:26] What he's probably not gonna do

[1:38:29] What he's telling

[1:38:31] Unless I'm forced to, but yes, whatever the board likes to do

[1:38:34] Come on, we come to the board quite often. That's my resolution

[1:38:38] That you see it. What is it again? Same. It's as per purpose. All right. I'll second that. Okay, any further discussion

[1:38:45] Okay, deliver.

[1:38:46] Director Santas?

[1:38:48] Director Franz?

[1:38:50] Director Alamo?

[1:38:51] Yes.

[1:38:51] Director Yunin?

[1:38:52] Yes.

[1:38:53] Thank you, Michael.

[1:39:00] We're going to move on to a workshop.

[1:39:02] Copy.

[1:39:02] He's a water plan.

[1:39:13] I can go back here.

[1:39:24] I will see.

[1:39:26] Thank you.

[1:39:27] You'll be at the podium.

[1:39:42] Morning gentlemen.

[1:39:43] Morning.

[1:39:45] Under the direction and leadership of GM Rhymers,

[1:39:48] we've been working to develop a comprehensive water plan.

[1:39:51] And so today we are here to check in with the board on the vision,

[1:39:55] the priorities and the timing.

[1:39:57] There's a large presentation to go through.

[1:39:59] And I'll be presenting most of the information here today.

[1:40:03] I do have here on the panel, field GoVay,

[1:40:06] Symmorgen Engineering Department Manager,

[1:40:07] West Miller, in charge of our program,

[1:40:10] Sigma, as well as re-touch projects and operations

[1:40:14] and micro variant.

[1:40:15] So there'll be here to answer any questions that we have here.

[1:40:21] So on the agenda today, we will be talking about what the comprehensive water plan is.

[1:40:26] We'll talk about the drivers and objectives, and then we'll talk about the non-capital

[1:40:30] versus what capital efforts are and we'll talk more in depth and about that.

[1:40:35] And then we'll talk about the lower system capital projects, primarily we're going to

[1:40:39] share two different approaches.

[1:40:41] One is what we refer to as the total channel control or TCC from here on with reservoirs,

[1:40:47] And the different approaches, the total channel control only.

[1:40:52] And just to clarify, total channel control is a concept that was developed by Rubicon

[1:40:57] Technologies, Rubicon Water, and it's very proprietary to them.

[1:41:01] But essentially what it is, is it's the automation of all the aspects of water delivery.

[1:41:07] And so when we talk about TCC from here on, it's going to be that, okay.

[1:41:11] And then at the end we'll come back in, check with the board on the vision, the priorities, and the timing.

[1:41:21] So what is the comprehensive water plan?

[1:41:23] It essentially is a single plan that captures or brings together all the different projects and all the different efforts that's been different documents and different timelines.

[1:41:35] important, you have either had influence or have been part of these planets and documents over

[1:41:41] the years. Some were developed in many years ago, some were developed more recently, and today's

[1:41:49] an example of some of the things that will be developed based on the board's direction. Now, all

[1:41:54] these plants and projects and efforts over the years, they're like different pieces of puzzle

[1:42:00] the way we see it. And together, when you put those pieces of puzzle together, they do paint

[1:42:05] a clear picture as to what the district has done and what the district intends to do to ensure

[1:42:12] that our water rights are protected to the future. Also, it ensures that we have sustained access

[1:42:20] to water supplies, as well as to support and to adapt our ability to meet customer demands.

[1:42:27] The comprehensive water plan, again, what it does is it summarizes all of the different

[1:42:34] considerations, strategies, priorities, guiding our water resource management.

[1:42:38] An optional show is a clear linkage between those projects and how they work cohesively

[1:42:45] together towards the same objectives, and then they also convey a trajectory and the priority

[1:42:51] of the projects to meet those objectives.

[1:42:55] And so, as you know, our TID, we've been blessed to have reliable water supplies in affordable

[1:43:03] water supplies over the years.

[1:43:05] But thanks for changing around us.

[1:43:08] As Wes and Olivia have talked earlier, as Dan and his group has talked earlier, there's

[1:43:12] a lot of things that are changing around us.

[1:43:15] I just highlight some of these big points.

[1:43:17] I'm not going to go into detail, but you can see climate change as we've talked about earlier.

[1:43:22] customer conditions are changing, for example, we're changing from a flat irrigation to micro-driven.

[1:43:28] So precision irrigation is a thing of the future.

[1:43:33] Now, infrastructure conditions, we have a very old system being the first irrigation district.

[1:43:38] Our system is over 130 years now, and the regulatory constraints, it's happening, it's impacting us in many ways.

[1:43:47] Beyond that, our organizational values also compel us to actually move and to actually plan, as well.

[1:43:54] For example, being visionary is one of our organizational values.

[1:43:58] Being visionary is something that we, for example, two years ago, we filed for right additional rights on a tornary river water.

[1:44:07] Two days, an example of being visionary, we're stabbing the board, we'll be talking about how we want to transform our irrigation system into the future as well.

[1:44:15] So these are some examples of some of the drivers.

[1:44:19] And they compel us to act, get to do something.

[1:44:23] And so what are the things that we want to do,

[1:44:26] and that we need to do?

[1:44:27] And we summarize this into all these objectives

[1:44:29] and not going to read through all of them.

[1:44:31] But for example, we get to replace our aging infrastructure.

[1:44:34] We've got to organize our irrigation system.

[1:44:36] We've got to improve level of service.

[1:44:38] We can augment our water supply so for long-term reliability.

[1:44:42] We've got to maximize and expand our water rights.

[1:44:44] We've got to improve delivery, build strategic partnerships, and so on, and in doing all of these stuff,

[1:44:51] still a component and core value of viruses to make sure that our rates are still affordable as well too.

[1:45:09] So, there's a lot of objectives. And so, today we are going to focus more on what we call the lower system capital projects. When lower system is downstream of term lock leg, but there are other components that help meet those objectives.

[1:45:23] For example, the upper system capital projects, what we refer to as mega projects and GM Rhymer mentioned earlier about the water supply augmentation.

[1:45:32] Those are the projects we talk about.

[1:45:34] Like the Cardoza rich that's been looked at before Montgomery raising down Pedro spillway.

[1:45:39] Those are the examples of those what we refer to as mega projects.

[1:45:42] And we're not going to talk about those today.

[1:45:45] The other that I want to touch very quickly on are the what we refer to as non capital efforts.

[1:45:52] And so non-capital efforts are efforts within different departments within the district

[1:46:00] that plays a key and critical role in ensuring that we meet our objectives.

[1:46:05] For example, in the general manager area, there's many things that just provide a couple

[1:46:09] of examples, building strategic partnerships, going to water resources and regulatory

[1:46:15] like the forky licensing process, VAs, as well as sigma implementation, to everything that

[1:46:22] Olivia and Wes has just talked about early in hydrology, maximizing on water rights, enhancing

[1:46:28] the watershed management. There are examples of efforts that are happening that's been happening,

[1:46:33] that's happening continue to happen, and they do help us achieve our objectives that we just talked

[1:46:39] earlier. So again, I'm not going to dive deeper on those. More so, I do want to move

[1:46:45] to the lower system, and right before I get to it, I want to share with you this map right here.

[1:46:51] You see this is our irrigation system with a 23 different canals that we have in blue.

[1:46:57] In right to your right, in red, are two stretchers of our canals.

[1:47:02] The first stretch from the grains down to Turlock Lake, that's the upper main canals.

[1:47:06] It's about 8.7 miles to the upper main.

[1:47:09] And then downstream of that is the main canals, also in red.

[1:47:12] In red basically means that we are currently working on those projects, there are projects that are in progress.

[1:47:19] As an example, the upper main canal, the board has approved a budget and staff is actually looking at options to replace the

[1:47:28] upper stretch from the grain for bay to highway 132 and that's a stretch where we're looking at

[1:47:35] the replacement kind we put a tunnel and also for so we are currently looking at that this year

[1:47:41] and then we will be having a different workshop with the board to talk about what those options look like

[1:47:47] and how to move forward with that.

[1:47:49] The other in red which is downstream meteorologist laid down to what we call the division

[1:47:54] which is at the head of Series May and Turlock May, there's about nine drops there in total.

[1:48:02] And there's five that we are replacing and automating those drops because there's those large radio gates that are aging.

[1:48:09] And so when we were going to replace those, we have planned to automate those as well.

[1:48:14] That's a project that's three years, it's 20 years, 2024, 2526.

[1:48:19] And that's a project that, as you are where we did receive about two million

[1:48:23] out of grant from the Watersmark grant to actually fund that.

[1:48:27] So that's another project that's in progress.

[1:48:29] The rest of the system, you see this light blue, and then you see the darker blues.

[1:48:34] Two of the darker blues are the regular reservoirs that we've already constructed.

[1:48:40] And then the darker blue down there by Lato A reservoir.

[1:48:43] That's our partial total channel control that we've put in place.

[1:48:48] That's a couple years. The other Dr. Blue Line downstream or CIRIS aim reservoir are six

[1:48:54] drops that we've constructed as part of the re-gling reservoir project that we also

[1:48:58] put into totally channel control as well. So there there will be downstream control on those

[1:49:03] points. That is what we consider the existing system and those few projects that I'm in progress.

[1:49:10] So I'm going to ask a question about the upper main projects. So I understand what's happening

[1:49:14] on the, let's call it the lower upper mean, but the Green's dam to 132, we've talked for years

[1:49:21] about a $100 million substantial upgrade that lets us ramp and really maximize the hydro,

[1:49:25] the hydro output of hydro electric output of Dom Pedro. That's not what we're referring to today,

[1:49:31] is it? That's exactly what I'm referring to on that project. But we're not going to talk about that today.

[1:49:35] But it's not in progress. What you're talking about, it's in progress is what?

[1:49:39] What's in progress is the options analysis. So we're looking at study.

[1:49:43] the study to say, is that option viable? How much is it going to be?

[1:49:47] Yes. The study is in progress, but not the actual capital project.

[1:49:50] Exactly. And that's what was referring to that we will become exactly the board about that.

[1:49:53] Sorry. Thank you. So that's a little bit more about that.

[1:49:57] I fell to mention, there are two stretches from like grains to 1.32. That's something that we've

[1:50:03] looked at in the past as well, the district. The other section, which we haven't looked in the past,

[1:50:08] And it's part of this option's analysis.

[1:50:10] Our target improvements downstream

[1:50:12] and 130 do all the way to Torlock Lake.

[1:50:15] And the reason why we're looking at it this time

[1:50:16] is we're looking at different options of increasing the capacity

[1:50:20] that are operating to from 3,000 to 4,000 to 5,000.

[1:50:25] And look at those options, we see what the benefits are

[1:50:28] for the district as well as what the costs are.

[1:50:30] So that's a project that we're currently analyzing.

[1:50:36] You're going to help from the Janet flowers.

[1:50:40] I'd send on the pricing site.

[1:50:42] Yes, that's right.

[1:50:44] So now we're going to focus on the lower system.

[1:50:47] And we're going to talk about, it's a busy slide part.

[1:50:50] I'm going to talk about to the left, you see that there's two different approaches that we're

[1:50:54] going to talk about.

[1:50:55] The first approach is the total channel control of the system with reservoirs.

[1:51:02] And there's multiple phases.

[1:51:03] And then down below is a total channel control only approach with no reservoirs.

[1:51:10] And then what we have developed here for your consideration today in direction is, this is the priority of the objectives.

[1:51:18] When we look at these, these both of these approaches focus on water conservation.

[1:51:22] This is the one thing that we want to capture first.

[1:51:25] And then from there, we look at to make improvements to obtain the level of service.

[1:51:28] And what we mean by that, to summarize into three points is the reduced weight times, customer

[1:51:34] demand adaptation, and then operational flexibility.

[1:51:37] And I'll talk a little bit more about those two points for a minute later as well.

[1:51:41] And then as a byproduct of that, there will be reduction in staffing as of those.

[1:51:46] So as an example, when we marinate our system, then more automated system will equate

[1:51:52] to less staff manually operating those facilities.

[1:51:57] And we're talking more about that.

[1:51:59] So first, we're going to focus on the total channel control approach with reservoirs, and

[1:52:05] I'm going to talk about the different phases, what the features are, and some of the benefits

[1:52:08] that we're going to get for them, okay?

[1:52:14] This one before, I just want to set the stage share again.

[1:52:17] So this is what we currently have right now, downstream motorlock lake, which is we have two

[1:52:24] We have the main kind of automation, we have the division that's automated.

[1:52:28] We also have all.

[1:52:30] All the heads of all the latter are automated. We also have 28 mid-system jobs automated. What we currently

[1:52:36] have right now is a little bit less than 18,400 acre feet. But once the bank now automation project is complete

[1:52:45] in two years, we will be able to conserve about 18,400 acre feet per year. That's based on a 10 year average. And that's annually.

[1:52:54] This staffing that we have now staffing gets very convoluted very quickly.

[1:52:59] And so today's conversation we're going to focus more on water distribution and

[1:53:04] technicians that support those data sites.

[1:53:09] And so currently today we have 36 WDOs and two technicians.

[1:53:12] So as we continue these phases, we're going to start to see how those numbers

[1:53:18] change and based on the investments that's made, the current wait time that we have on average

[1:53:25] on a yearly basis throughout entire systems, 48 to 52 hours. So we set that as kind of the

[1:53:29] baseline of wait times in the existing levels of service, like I said, demand adaptation to

[1:53:36] operational flexibility is what's as that is called what we have today.

[1:53:40] Back once like it's

[1:53:45] just a chain to this phases I would like to see a phase one as like

[1:53:51] a pilot phase where you accomplish all four phases in a small section that you can use

[1:53:57] as a test and a pilot and see if this concept is going to be viable in our area.

[1:54:04] We got two regulating reservoirs I know we got a lot of gates I don't know where we put

[1:54:09] this pilot phase or where we do it at, but I would suggest that we target the technology

[1:54:16] that we've already spent money on and see if this is going to work in our area.

[1:54:21] Even if it's just a little small, couple drops, whatever, but 100% automated pilot phase

[1:54:27] is phase one, rather than jumping to all the reservoirs for us, then reservoirs and partial

[1:54:32] wide automation.

[1:54:34] And then, near term, I have one fully completed 100% automated somewhere in the district that

[1:54:38] We can look at and see and operate over the years, see the problems with it, see the benefits

[1:54:42] of it, and then we would be rather than this approach.

[1:54:46] We might.

[1:54:46] I appreciate that thought.

[1:54:48] We've actually talked a lot about it, so one is how we've been planning and the others

[1:54:53] how to present it today in a very concise fashion.

[1:54:57] So today, when we're talking about those two options, it's meant to be very fluid, and it's

[1:55:03] meant to, as we plan, we want to populate different projects, but if I understand you're

[1:55:07] directly is the piloting of a full total channel control system.

[1:55:12] And as you know, lateral A, we call it partial total channel control earlier,

[1:55:16] which means we have automation of all the drops.

[1:55:19] But all the side gates are not fully automated.

[1:55:21] There's still existing side gates.

[1:55:23] And only some of them has the rubicon gates or smart gates.

[1:55:26] And so we do have in our five-year capital plan, more so years four

[1:55:31] five to do a for automation of the LATO A as a pilot.

[1:55:37] You know, the same LATO A to write area that'd be something for you guys to work on, but

[1:55:41] maybe off of the new regulating reservoir, it might be a better area that would be more in line

[1:55:46] with the way the system would run. You know, you can look at an area, the system that you think

[1:55:51] would be a good pilot that, oh yeah, this would work in this area, the majority of that before we

[1:55:58] go through this, put all the reservoirs in first, then you got to put in the reservoirs in partial

[1:56:03] wide automation, then you know what I'm saying, one section where it's 100% done as a part

[1:56:10] that I think would be a beneficial for us.

[1:56:13] Well, considering what you guys think.

[1:56:14] That's what we did already, already, we've got to wait.

[1:56:17] We don't have a fully...

[1:56:17] That case or not.

[1:56:18] But sagates are the only thing that's on our own.

[1:56:20] Not a TCC, they're...

[1:56:23] That's the only thing that's on our own.

[1:56:24] That's the only thing that's on our own.

[1:56:26] Not a TCC, they're...

[1:56:28] to sidegates.

[1:56:30] What you'll find out at the end of this is the sidegates is really a level of service

[1:56:35] increase.

[1:56:36] It's not a water savings increase.

[1:56:40] The water savings comes from the total channel control level of service.

[1:56:45] I mean there may be a little bit of a level of service is really the sidegates are

[1:56:50] level of service and shorter weight times closer to on demand.

[1:56:55] That's what it'll kind of show at the end of this presentation.

[1:56:58] But we can't.

[1:57:00] That's our theory, Craig.

[1:57:02] We don't have that anywhere in the district that proves that point out that you just said,

[1:57:06] Well, when we don't spill out the end of the lateral.

[1:57:10] I'll say in the level of service increase, that they're using automated safety.

[1:57:14] If there's any other impacts that come along with the automating side gets your points.

[1:57:19] That's why I'm saying I believe that should be phase one.

[1:57:21] And I think that's what we'll...

[1:57:23] Maybe that's a great discussion to have at the end.

[1:57:26] I mean, I think, you know, we struggle also as we put the priorities up of what we think.

[1:57:31] Right? We put what our conservation is number one, but that's a great discussion.

[1:57:34] You know, as we were talking internally, that's what we've always been focused on,

[1:57:37] and that's what they've built this off of.

[1:57:39] But if the direction from the board is different,

[1:57:42] absolutely changes.

[1:57:44] Right, today's a workshop again.

[1:57:46] This is a check-in on vision priorities as well as timing.

[1:57:48] So any feedback act that's good, we're going to be taking some notes and then I'll be talking

[1:57:53] about later about next steps, but then really I would jump forward a little bit.

[1:57:56] The next step is based on feedback, we're going to come back, we're going to do another

[1:58:00] comprehensive water plan presentation with the board to populate what those project actually

[1:58:05] looks like in detail and phasing as well, okay?

[1:58:08] Thank you.

[1:58:11] Okay, so all at the face one, and it could be option one, face one by basically a potential

[1:58:17] next step. And all of this stuff doesn't really, you know, when we develop the plan here in detail,

[1:58:23] you can see how each canal or each project is populated. But to succinctly just talk about it today,

[1:58:31] we just said, okay, assuming that phase one is completed, this is all the things that would be

[1:58:37] included in it, okay. And so in this case here, the phase one, we would add additional reservoirs,

[1:58:45] Lateral five and a half is something that we've been discussing with the board and there's lots of benefits to that.

[1:58:52] But we had always envisioned that there's two additional reservoirs. One, a lateral one, between a lateral one, a lateral three.

[1:59:01] And that is a reservoir that's at the end of our system and we can build an interconnection between a lateral three to a lateral two as well as a lateral two and a half.

[1:59:12] And so the reservoir down at that location will capture spills from those, and then move it back in for between those.

[1:59:19] And so that's a concept that's been discussed for years.

[1:59:23] And another one is, a lot of 6 and 7 pump system, pump back system.

[1:59:27] That would be at the end of the system, so that it can capture all the spills.

[1:59:32] By the same time, the reason we put the pump back down, there's a red line because there's a lot of different drains down that direction.

[1:59:39] We could see that that would be providing a ability to capture drains as well as regular water

[1:59:44] of the canal system, be able to pump it back for use upstream of that.

[1:59:49] And so we've envisioned that there's three additional reservoirs that we will put, that's

[1:59:53] part of this, that for a total cost of $36 million approximately, in 2023, of 2024.

[2:00:00] And keys from 18,000 now to 30, almost 34,000 acre fee per year. That's how the significance of reservoirs.

[2:00:06] They do capture a lot of water.

[2:00:09] That's the elevation between lateral 7 and lateral 2.

[2:00:13] Oh, I don't know that.

[2:00:15] The elevation difference?

[2:00:18] From 7 to 2.

[2:00:21] I don't even know how to take care of those from the north, correct?

[2:00:25] No, I think.

[2:00:27] Yeah, it goes towards the delta.

[2:00:28] That's hydraulics.

[2:00:30] Hydraulics, yeah.

[2:00:33] I don't know.

[2:00:36] But it does go kind of uphill.

[2:00:38] In this case.

[2:00:40] What we anticipate is when this reservoirs are in,

[2:00:44] there's we could project about two WDOs that could properly come off.

[2:00:48] So if we're going from 36 WDOs to 34 WDOs,

[2:00:52] we see wait times upstream reservoirs being 48 to 52 hours,

[2:00:56] which is currently, but downstream of reservoirs,

[2:00:59] we can see that way times after decrease now.

[2:01:02] Because now, as an example, when you have water

[2:01:05] in the reservoirs, you can actually make releases

[2:01:09] downstream of the reservoirs to meet demand much more quicker.

[2:01:13] There's times where it's going to be a lot less than 36 bad.

[2:01:16] This, I think, general bracketing is about 36 or 48 hours.

[2:01:19] This is where we introduce these two terms,

[2:01:22] customer demand adaptation, and the focus on this is the customer demand adaptation is really

[2:01:29] meeting the changing needs of our customer. So it provides the district's ability to

[2:01:34] to meet those changing needs, and a primary example changing needs is conversions from flood

[2:01:40] to drips and microbes. Currently today, our preference would be you have a fixed head and you have a fixed

[2:01:47] duration, so that it doesn't translate into spills or operations spills into our system.

[2:01:54] When we're able to do this, you can see that those ladders that feed into a regular reservoir,

[2:02:00] there's more flexibility to accommodate variable heads, variable durations, because

[2:02:06] any of those operational spills would actually end up in a reservoir recapturing reuse.

[2:02:11] And so we project that there will be a 15% improvement in from existing from these reservoirs.

[2:02:19] It could be 15, it could be 20.

[2:02:21] We're not exactly sure about it's going to be around that range.

[2:02:25] Operational flexibility is a district's ability to flexibly operate our systems.

[2:02:30] As an example, currently today we release water once a day from Toronto clay down to each of our mains

[2:02:36] and to each of our canal systems regardless of the changing demand downstream.

[2:02:40] When we have reservoirs like this, but no TCC upstream of that, the reservoirs will give us

[2:02:47] that ability to actually make releases to match the mass downstream reservoirs.

[2:02:51] And in future years, when we have TCC, now that will give us that ability to match the

[2:02:56] mass even upstream of that.

[2:02:57] So that's what we mean by operational flexibility, gentlemen, is there anything else on this?

[2:03:03] Thank you.

[2:03:04] If I could add total water savings, I don't know if you actually said that, but 34,000

[2:03:10] And I always, I'm looking at Olivia because for me, that's two additional inches on farm,

[2:03:16] essentially.

[2:03:18] Helps me grapple with the...

[2:03:23] It's a good, good, uh, reference point.

[2:03:26] Yep.

[2:03:27] Thank you.

[2:03:29] So now we're getting to phase two.

[2:03:31] Now you see that all the dark blues are things that our part of phase one, we've already implemented

[2:03:36] that.

[2:03:37] Now we start to introduce the reds.

[2:03:39] So in this system here, or this phase here, we said,

[2:03:42] But all the mains from Turrock Lake all the way down to all the ladders, we're going to

[2:03:47] only two TCC that.

[2:03:48] So we're going to automate all the drops and put in two downstream control in that.

[2:03:52] And then we're also going to automate all the drops downstream of all the reservoirs.

[2:03:59] This is the best way to be very flexible in moving water down to our ladders as well as downstream

[2:04:08] of the reservoirs, we're going to downstream control that and TCC that so that we basically

[2:04:13] will end up with significant savings of the 38,000 acre feet.

[2:04:18] This is an additional.

[2:04:19] This is additional now.

[2:04:20] So you're talking about almost 75,000 acre feet?

[2:04:25] No, no, no, this is total now.

[2:04:27] This is total.

[2:04:28] So we went from 34 now to 38.

[2:04:31] So by doing this, pretty soon you see that later on we're going to say, if we close our system,

[2:04:37] and we're going to capture the total of 45,000 acre fee per year.

[2:04:41] Okay.

[2:04:41] So basically for another $20,000,000,000,000,

[2:04:44] you're capturing $5,000 additional acre fee.

[2:04:47] Okay.

[2:04:47] That's right.

[2:04:48] That is correct.

[2:04:49] And the cost or investment here is $60 million.

[2:04:53] You can see that now staff from a staffing standpoint

[2:04:56] because we have now automated the mains.

[2:04:59] We have more reservoirs.

[2:05:01] We've automated the drops and downstream of the reservoirs.

[2:05:05] force, we can project a reduction in WDOs of 10 WDOs. But when you have this type of system

[2:05:13] now, increasing with communications, data, and equipment, we project that we start to increase

[2:05:19] technicians by 2 as well, to manage those. At the same time, you see the 4 WCC, WCC is

[2:05:27] water control center. We anticipate that probably before this point, but especially, at the

[2:05:35] You can see a water control center similar to the power control center, but on the water side,

[2:05:41] but this is where more centralized ordering, more centralized scheduling, it's starting to come

[2:05:49] into play, and then so you can see that all the automated systems, now the control center

[2:05:55] is actually moving water within those stretches.

[2:05:59] There's still the rest of the system that's still manual, and that's where the rest of the

[2:06:05] And I can look and see that with this, there's a significant improvement in customer demand and

[2:06:10] adaptation as well as operational flexibility.

[2:06:13] By this time with the mains, TCC, as well as the reservoirs and downstream TCC, we can see

[2:06:19] that we will significantly be able to meet demand to match releases with demand.

[2:06:25] So you can see that the main canal, TURLOG main canal, series main canal, and any stretch

[2:06:31] downstream of the reservoirs, wait times are not going,

[2:06:34] it's going to be between 4 to 36 hours.

[2:06:36] And we put that 4 to 36 because during the shoulder

[2:06:39] months, we're going to get it to them very quickly.

[2:06:41] But during the summer months, there will be as much as we are able

[2:06:45] to get them water, there's going to be a capacity issue

[2:06:48] at this point of time.

[2:06:49] And that's why we said there's still going to be 36 hours,

[2:06:53] potentially.

[2:06:54] The other thing about customer demand and adaptation

[2:06:56] We see a significant ability for us to adapt, but there's still all these improvement districts that you may recall when we had a workout with the board.

[2:07:07] There's still, I think, 1,500 miles of improvement district lines that are old, that are leaky and that also there's their busy.

[2:07:18] And so as much as we were able to adapt, our system to meet them demands the improvement districts.

[2:07:30] So, they may be full, and they may not be able to adapt to customers' needs as well. But this is referring to our system that we're going to be able to do that.

[2:07:41] But I have a question before you go on. The 36 to 40-hour wait time upstream of reservoirs when you have TCC in all the mains. Help me understand that. I've always thought that I've always been told I think that one of the major limiting factors of our response time is the 12 and 24-hour.

[2:08:01] You know, our rider had changes in each of the laterals.

[2:08:05] And so once those lateral heads are automated,

[2:08:08] wouldn't that, it's not that that's the big, long pull

[2:08:11] in the tent, right?

[2:08:12] When that changes, doesn't that really move the service?

[2:08:15] It does, and it's just not as clear in this slide right here.

[2:08:19] But you see the first one, 36, 40 A hours,

[2:08:21] upstream of reservoirs.

[2:08:22] And it's meant to say the lower ladders or the upper ladders

[2:08:27] that are not TCC, there's going to be that way time.

[2:08:30] But in the laterals or main, main canal,

[2:08:34] Turlock main, series main canal.

[2:08:36] All of those that are in red are now fully TCC.

[2:08:39] We will be able to move water.

[2:08:41] That's why the weight time is now 436 hours.

[2:08:43] So to your point, let's just say that somebody

[2:08:45] is on the Turlock main, on the saggy Turlock main.

[2:08:48] They want to make some adjustments.

[2:08:49] They have a change in the demand.

[2:08:53] That could be accommodated quickly.

[2:08:57] You know, as you have to wait till the next day,

[2:08:58] because that system from Turkmenia, the way to make an out to Turkmenia is now fully

[2:09:03] TCCC.

[2:09:04] So, so can I make a couple of other comments?

[2:09:07] So, one of the biggest reasons why those numbers are still the same is that we have very

[2:09:11] large imprimant districts coming up to series, mains, and Turkmenia.

[2:09:16] I mean, that's some of our larger 815 herd acre imprimant districts are off those

[2:09:21] facilities.

[2:09:22] So, it's all still about the capacity of the imprimant district.

[2:09:27] and not to system itself.

[2:09:29] And you're waiting for your, your,

[2:09:31] because you've got to still three to five to seven day weights,

[2:09:34] regardless of what we do with the infrastructure.

[2:09:37] You still got the pipelines as you've got to contend with it.

[2:09:40] So that's why we kept it in there because there's going to be

[2:09:43] some of the private pipelines off the series and

[2:09:46] throw logs in the highlights that you can get within three hours or

[2:09:48] five hours if you want to.

[2:09:50] If it's available, right?

[2:09:52] But when you have, again, the number from Prima

[2:09:54] that we have on those particular facilities, and again, when the district built these things,

[2:09:59] they built these things the right way by putting the biggest water source to those larger

[2:10:04] and firmend districts. So again, we have eight hundred to a thousand acre, multiple,

[2:10:09] multiples on those facilities. So that's why you put that range in there and again, as we get

[2:10:15] as we get better at it, those times may come down. We just, we're just concerned, we don't want to

[2:10:24] So obviously in the last night reading this, this is probably, maybe pick us bang for

[2:10:29] a buck, we'd stop right here, right?

[2:10:30] We'd go to this point, we'd stop because it becomes diminishing return.

[2:10:34] Your point is, Mike, even if you had a total TCC along the lines of what Dr. Almond

[2:10:38] was referring to, even with the side gates and everything, it doesn't change the capacity

[2:10:41] constraints.

[2:10:42] So you may still be waiting in line for four days.

[2:10:44] We've got 1,000 improvement districts, right?

[2:10:46] They range from 25 acres to 25 herd acres, and each of them had their own dynamic set.

[2:10:52] We try to control by scheduling, but the imprimantists are just the imprimantist strict.

[2:10:58] So we can make these large improvements, but those wait times are going to remain the same for

[2:11:04] Mosul's customers.

[2:11:06] They're not going to change much.

[2:11:07] We can't get the water too many quicker because it's a 36 inch pipeline that doesn't change.

[2:11:12] Thank you.

[2:11:12] The only way we could change is maybe with some technology like we're using on the other

[2:11:18] water side, where the whole ID line is aware of the line sitting empty for two days.

[2:11:26] You know everybody's going to want the water exact same time.

[2:11:29] Everybody on that line gets notified immediately.

[2:11:32] So now the technology is helping them manage your pipeline better.

[2:11:35] The pipeline size is still 36 inches, but we're notifying them and they're scheduling

[2:11:41] better.

[2:11:41] We're doing better job with forecasting that they're actually getting their water in a more

[2:11:45] timely manner.

[2:11:45] Also, you could in time in the future as we look at better technology.

[2:11:52] They could run parallopipes that may take care of the macro systems that would then

[2:11:57] increase in capacity.

[2:11:59] Increasing capacity.

[2:12:00] Even without increasing capacity.

[2:12:02] Sometimes.

[2:12:03] Sometimes sometimes.

[2:12:04] Sometimes one guy's on a 12 day one guy's on a eight day and they get, well, except

[2:12:08] now you've got to wait for the other guy to do this whole irrigation.

[2:12:11] Well, there's more communication, more communication.

[2:12:14] It's out there.

[2:12:14] We don't have that implemented and I do you take nausea's get in better pipelines all these things are getting improved

[2:12:20] So we really don't know what that future is, but that is some of the

[2:12:25] Restrictions that we do have I go you're a master at that, right?

[2:12:28] But it's still up to the customers

[2:12:30] You're up to the customers, but you got to make them up

[2:12:33] Sure, no, I come yell at you. Hey, why didn't you get my get this line going earlier will no one order the water for one, but at least you told them

[2:12:41] You're going to have a 10-day wait time, you're going to burn your corn crop out there if you guys don't get this pipeline going

[2:12:47] We know you only have a 36-inch pipe

[2:12:49] We know that so at least we let them know if they still want to burn the corn crop up, but it's not we can't do nothing about that

[2:12:56] And great comments on that

[2:13:00] So now phase three is

[2:13:02] Different now you see that all of the canals are actually in bread and in dark blue now, which means that by the end of phase three

[2:13:10] all the drops in our analysis and so we'll be automated.

[2:13:14] The only thing we mainly will be the side gates,

[2:13:16] and we project that to be a $15 million total.

[2:13:20] So now this is where the significant saving comes to play there.

[2:13:23] You got 43,600 acres, feet per year on average,

[2:13:27] that you're going to conserve.

[2:13:29] We see a projection of significant reduction in staff

[2:13:32] because now the entire system has the reservoirs,

[2:13:36] as well as fully TCC with the exception of the side gates.

[2:13:40] Meaning that at that time, the water control center,

[2:13:43] you see there's an increase to eight staff there.

[2:13:47] And what we mean by eight staff, it means that it's going to be

[2:13:50] four on shift and then just as the rotation of that.

[2:13:54] So it's four shifts, well, two shifts,

[2:13:58] but four people per shift.

[2:13:59] And then we see a projection and technicians increasing,

[2:14:02] as well. How we project wait times now in the down of 4 to 36 hours throughout the entire

[2:14:08] system. Again, limited to the capacity of ID as well. But this is where we see the most

[2:14:16] customer demand adaptation. Now we have a fully automated system that we can much more

[2:14:22] flexibly operate the system as well. Meet our changing demands that our customers.

[2:14:27] And I've said it, but what is our average, what's the 100% water savings value, is 45?

[2:14:35] It's 40.

[2:14:37] Yeah, it's the OB, the next one.

[2:14:38] It'd be 45,000 acre feet.

[2:14:40] So this is to kind of, so the one thing we also I think want to bring up is when we

[2:14:47] talked about the 23FTs, we talked about the 26 WTOs, the 3808 water control center.

[2:14:57] those numbers may

[2:15:00] We don't know if three taxes enough to look at an entire system that's going to be automated, that's going to have 400 plus drops.

[2:15:10] Potential, we have the rubricons, we have our 350 rubricons. So those numbers, those taxis, WCC, those could change according to where we're looking at the window and we're trying to look at 15 years from now to say how are we going to hit these targets.

[2:15:26] So, we put those in there, we just want to make sure that again, we don't have any false reality that's,

[2:15:35] how they should have put projected stuff.

[2:15:37] Yes, I think so, because honestly, we're doing the best we can to identify those particular items.

[2:15:43] The jobs are basically changing them, or are they're technical.

[2:15:46] Yeah, they'll have to just...

[2:15:48] I'll just say the points and all the automation that we're lost.

[2:15:51] Yeah.

[2:15:51] Just a matter of vandalism alone is a variable that who knows that I project that that's not two more people just fixing problems

[2:15:58] At solar panels, we don't know what the infrastructure of the radio systems going to be like we don't know what the electronics

[2:16:05] Workforce is going to be in 10 15 years

[2:16:08] There's a lot of things there that are kind of unknowns right now

[2:16:12] You see here, this is the last phase of this first approach and so the last phase is basically saying look now that phase three is

[2:16:20] the other many other drops in the canals.

[2:16:22] Now we're going to fully automate the side gates.

[2:16:24] The price does increase by $55 million.

[2:16:28] So we have 1,400 side gates.

[2:16:29] And so to automate all the side gates, it comes

[2:16:31] with the price of $55 million.

[2:16:34] And it brings the total cost to 170,000, 170 million.

[2:16:37] And as we said earlier, the total savings now

[2:16:40] is 45,000 acre fee per year annually.

[2:16:43] FTE is, we actually increase the attack now.

[2:16:47] Now that the fully automated system now,

[2:16:49] now we have more technicians. So you see the total there is 24 FTEs. What that means is that we

[2:16:57] started with 38. There's a lot of reduction in WDOs, but we're also shifting in increasing

[2:17:02] in tech as well as what a control center for total projected are 24 FTEs. What do you mean by

[2:17:10] made all cygates. That means every one of our cygates will have a rubicon slip. But we have that on

[2:17:21] all our larger IDs currently, but we have not of them automated. We have all those things to take to make

[2:17:29] those larger IDs automated currently. Once upon a time the rubicon slip meters in, it's a really

[2:17:36] For the capability, even that.

[2:17:38] Why don't we utilize that technology anywhere?

[2:17:42] Well, I understand that there's two features to

[2:17:45] automating a side gate. One is the ability to remotely operate that side gate.

[2:17:51] The second one is this feed-forward concept, which is how,

[2:17:55] when you have all the side gates tied into the TCC system,

[2:17:59] they all talk to each other and know where every drop of water is going.

[2:18:03] and you can implement this feed forward where it actually projects.

[2:18:08] You open your side gate. It's going to talk six drops ahead and know.

[2:18:13] Keep the pull the same. Absolutely.

[2:18:15] So there is two things, and so I get your point completely.

[2:18:19] If I have we tested a drop, I would ask these guys a question of,

[2:18:23] would we be able to test the feed forward system by a small sample size?

[2:18:30] Or do you need to do that?

[2:18:31] you just said we needed both right remotely operation there is most why can't we already

[2:18:36] test the remotely operation on our current slip meters we do part of it is change management

[2:18:43] as well right meaning that when we put this new technology in there there is a TID staff learning

[2:18:50] and operating and maintaining those there's the other component is on our growers our customer

[2:18:56] side. They also have to be able to adapt to that change as well too and so like I just said earlier

[2:19:01] that we do have over two in West, correct me here, over 200 something side gates right now

[2:19:06] to have the technology to be able to remotely control and some of them are, but then I believe

[2:19:12] what you directly tell them what you referring to is that some of them are still put and probably

[2:19:16] just gate mode, right? We have 120 locations that have slip meters today. It's half the district's

[2:19:22] our covered by slip meters. Some are currently remotely operated by our WDOs, depending on where

[2:19:27] it makes sense. Sometimes when on these big IDs you don't want so many hands involved in

[2:19:33] what's going on it's better to have us operate those. So we have probably half a dozen or maybe

[2:19:37] a little more that are operated remotely today. We could control half of our acres remote

[2:19:44] sidegates if we so chose to currently if we wanted to have our staff do that the gates are

[2:19:52] capable of doing so today after there's no automation out there that could control the

[2:19:59] sidegates for you automatically no we would have to make that so there's no logic right now

[2:20:06] actually says, hey, it's time. It's just, I don't think that logic should be coming.

[2:20:12] That is, that is the way the industry is going. Yes. I'd like to come you made earlier that

[2:20:18] may be something that we look at piloting to see how it does work within the confines of the

[2:20:25] farmer because again, as General Manager Rimer said, the customer has to understand there's going to

[2:20:32] some changes for them also. It isn't just a district infrastructure we're going through and putting

[2:20:37] this Cadillac system out there. There's a lot of things for the customer that they're going to

[2:20:42] have to realize and understand with this whole process. So we can get a lot more of it may not

[2:20:47] be a bad idea. Doing a pilot with technology that we already purchased would be great and we could

[2:20:52] build a lot more safety into some of these aging infrastructure that we have. If those every single

[2:20:58] idea had their own logic into every single, you know, your speed on opening and closing gates,

[2:21:05] your line shot could go tremendously down.

[2:21:07] Because now you train a new irrigator, yeah, you tell them three minutes or five minutes or

[2:21:12] ten minutes or twenty minutes, but we don't know if it's getting done like that every single

[2:21:15] time.

[2:21:16] I think what happens.

[2:21:17] Even with the gate, if it's remote, but he can open it, why open this fast as you can?

[2:21:21] Is I think the comfort level, we have to have, we have to make sure that people have

[2:21:25] a comfort level of what we do, right?

[2:21:27] If you remember when we put the Rubikons in, the customers were very hesitant.

[2:21:31] I mean here's Rubikons, right?

[2:21:32] Time flies, mate.

[2:21:34] So yeah, work on more comfort level to try to at least get one of these areas that you think

[2:21:40] is some farmers and some growers that you can work with that could take some automation

[2:21:45] and remotely operate those gates.

[2:21:47] We've got the technology to do it.

[2:21:48] I've got some growers up.

[2:21:49] I mean, asking for that every time I see them.

[2:21:51] Hey, when are we going to look at the gate?

[2:21:53] I want to time it with my drip system.

[2:21:56] I can turn both on at the same time I can just want I want to make sure I'm clear on the

[2:22:01] ask is your task is you want that our customers to be able to remotely operate the slip

[2:22:05] meter to the customer or from logic AI or however we want to do it yeah let me be like

[2:22:12] an interactive I think what would be really helpful for us is to really get the board's

[2:22:17] feedback of what at the highest level like what what direction what one of these packages

[2:22:22] is the most appealing that I think implementation is a strategy.

[2:22:31] If we want to move forward with, you know, if it's this one, what's the most logical way, you know, obviously we have to think about our customers. And so maybe it would be just piloting one area and figuring out which areas maybe has most interested customers and how it works and that could be an approach to be able to get the buy-in right from the customers so they can actually go and physically see. They could talk to the customers of the other customers that actually have it on their system.

[2:22:58] The WDOs who are operating that, I mean,

[2:23:01] so that it definitely could be a strategy of implementation,

[2:23:06] depending on what route you all want it.

[2:23:10] Yeah, I don't know if our customer will be operating the gate,

[2:23:12] but the customer will be doing the same thing he does right now.

[2:23:15] He'd be saying, I'm all set.

[2:23:17] He does it now with a phone call to the neighbor.

[2:23:19] I'm all set.

[2:23:20] Same you down the water, right?

[2:23:21] That'd be done.

[2:23:22] I don't know what the series on our app.

[2:23:24] with some way of the same checks and orders that we currently do, so it would be no more dangerous

[2:23:30] or no more complicated than in today, but it wouldn't be done with a guy going out there to the side gate

[2:23:36] and actually cranking it.

[2:23:37] It would follow through the whole system that we put in place.

[2:23:41] They agreed upon, hey, we need this many minutes to open.

[2:23:44] We need this many minutes on close down.

[2:23:46] It's going to open at this time, and everybody's already knows it's getting open at that time.

[2:23:49] Well, let me clarify that when I spoke with Rubica technology, they're fully implemented

[2:23:57] TCC in most of their majority of their system in Australia.

[2:24:03] It is fully automated, not only the drops of cygates, but in the algorithms built

[2:24:08] into it so that now, Brad mentioned earlier, about the fee for concepts, their systems that

[2:24:14] tied to when the orders are anticipation when they want to take the order in the waters

[2:24:19] re-releasing inside gets a re-opening. These are all done automatically.

[2:24:23] And so, customers want that says I want it done.

[2:24:25] The customer says this is, well, the customer makes an order and then the order is

[2:24:30] scheduled but so when it's scheduled and let's just say false and line was scheduled,

[2:24:34] the gate will automatically open at that time.

[2:24:37] Actually, the customer, so like your question to me was, you want the customer

[2:24:40] running at, yeah, exactly like that. The customer said he wanted it open at this time.

[2:24:45] He's not really out there running in the gate, but he has remote automation to it.

[2:24:50] So based on the direction again, the board here, we will continue to develop some of these,

[2:24:54] the pilot, and then we'll come back to the board and populate these in terms of what the

[2:24:58] schedule looks like, what the traditional costs are. So this is the last phase of the TCC with

[2:25:04] reservoirs, and there's a cause. I'm going to provide a little bit more summary later on, so I'll just

[2:25:15] I'll just talk about and I'll come back to Puerto Rico and pay the two.

[2:25:20] The next, I do want to walk the board through the next approach that says total channel

[2:25:23] control only, which basically means that we don't put any more reservoirs in.

[2:25:28] From here going forward, we're going to commit to just go ahead and total channel control

[2:25:32] our entire system and I call it phase three and four mainly it's really the second phase

[2:25:38] and third phase.

[2:25:39] But later on, we compared the two different approaches together, it just makes more sense

[2:25:43] to call it phase three because phase three of this approach matches phase three of the other approach as well.

[2:25:49] So, so just bear with us as we described this, okay?

[2:25:53] So this one again, phase three is very similar.

[2:25:56] Without the reservoirs though, this phase when completed, it would automate all the drops and all the canal throughout the entire canal system.

[2:26:04] Minus the side gate.

[2:26:06] And so we anticipate that the concert will be around $78 million.

[2:26:10] You see a significant savings of 43,600 acre fee, staff reduction, wait times, customer demand

[2:26:17] adaptation, as well as operation flexibility. I'm going to quickly go to the next one.

[2:26:22] This one includes automating all the side gates, price tags which is at $55 million to

[2:26:27] automate all the side gates, but you see now the incremental water savings is really small.

[2:26:33] And that's due to Brad's point earlier is that the automation of the drops will

[2:26:39] of the water. The additional benefits of these

[2:26:42] sidegates is efficiency and delivery, consistent flow rates,

[2:26:48] water accountability and water accounting. All of those

[2:26:50] will tie into it. And there's so many things that

[2:26:52] since we don't have a system here in the United States,

[2:26:55] we don't know what all the true benefits and our folks at

[2:26:58] Rubicon saying, look, we'd be more than happy to share

[2:27:01] with you as well as real life examples of how people

[2:27:04] has benefited, but that's something that we will be working

[2:27:06] with, again, back to the board.

[2:27:09] Water savings in these scenarios looks the same as the water savings where you had reservoirs.

[2:27:14] So adding reservoirs doesn't help you save water?

[2:27:17] There's a slide that'll make that pretty clear.

[2:27:20] Yeah.

[2:27:21] It's a great question.

[2:27:23] Great question.

[2:27:25] So this just summarizes the TCC only approach.

[2:27:29] I'm going to jump to this option right here because it's going to get to answering your question

[2:27:34] So, this slide is a very busy slide, but it basically compares those two different approaches together.

[2:27:40] In the green is the total channel control with reservoirs approach, and in the blue is total channel control.

[2:27:46] So, you see that now, the reservoirs has that incremental additive cost, right?

[2:27:52] $36 million, you'll go to $60 million, $151, 170,000.

[2:27:57] I'm 100,000, I'm 100,000, I'm 100,000 million.

[2:27:59] versus the TCC only, we said to get to phase three,

[2:28:03] we would need to spend about 78 million dollars

[2:28:06] to get to phase three, and then go to phase four

[2:28:08] is $134 million, and again, there goes

[2:28:12] to all the savings and all the benefits

[2:28:13] that we've received earlier.

[2:28:17] Now this is the last chart I wanna share with you,

[2:28:21] but it's a complex chart, but let me provide

[2:28:26] a couple of takeaways from here.

[2:28:27] So on the X axis is the years, we published this over 25 years.

[2:28:34] On the Y axis is the annual water savings.

[2:28:38] And the main difference between the two approaches is the green is the TCC with the reservoirs,

[2:28:44] which means you construct the reservoirs first, and then you do the TCC after that.

[2:28:50] The blue, which is the lower line, is starting to TCC our systems incrementally.

[2:28:57] The main difference is that after 15 years, those two lines converge.

[2:29:02] Meaning that after 15 years, regardless of which approach you take, you would have modernized

[2:29:06] entire system that you can conserve the most amount of water that you can.

[2:29:11] And they both happen after the year 15.

[2:29:14] But along the way, those two approaches are distinctly different.

[2:29:18] The TCC, you're going to have to make investments on each canal at a time.

[2:29:26] And when you're making those investments on those canals, you're only benefiting in those singular canals.

[2:29:32] Versus a reservoir, when you put a reservoir, you benefit multiple ladders.

[2:29:38] So when you put the reservoirs of front, you can see that over that 15-year period of time,

[2:29:43] The reservoir approach would allow you to save significant waters early on

[2:29:51] All the way to year 15 and the difference and they accumulate amount of water the USA between the two approaches is approximately

[2:30:00] That's one of the biggest differences you can see there.

[2:30:02] I almost think about it as the reservoirs, although they are costly, they allow you a place to store

[2:30:08] that incremental water that the pieces of TCC that you're doing create.

[2:30:14] I'm initial thought is the reservoirs, because you've mentioned it that there's vandalism

[2:30:19] or whatever, the reservoirs will help you mitigate any potential issues that may happen out there.

[2:30:25] I don't think it's, I don't think it's safe to assume that the total automation will be just work flawlessly,

[2:30:31] there will be issues with the reservoirs help you with mitigating any problems.

[2:30:35] There's some benefit also, and for floodwater irrigation, right, to capture some storm waters within cities as they deposit.

[2:30:43] You know, also there's some opportunity, one of those end of the reservoirs that was presented as there's some customers that are potentially looking at that site that would want to utilize something that water.

[2:30:53] it so there's opportunity to capture that.

[2:30:56] The President gives us more flexibility, more opportunity,

[2:31:01] utilize water multiple times.

[2:31:03] And we do that quicker than doing a 15-year automation

[2:31:07] project, that's right.

[2:31:08] But they go ahead and handle it.

[2:31:11] It helps us with mistakes and problems and issues

[2:31:14] that may occur.

[2:31:15] It helps to mitigate some of the capacity, too.

[2:31:19] The normal thing in a supply chain is to have a buffer.

[2:31:26] The three additional is Lara 5.5, Lara won, Lara won, Lara 3, Reservoir, doing that.

[2:31:32] With those drawn in, yes.

[2:31:34] Thank you, Lara.

[2:31:34] The presentation.

[2:31:37] Which one?

[2:31:43] Right there.

[2:31:45] Redbot.

[2:31:45] Age one.

[2:31:48] That was my comment.

[2:31:50] I'm going from Lara all seven to Lara all two.

[2:31:53] Three foot difference from my calculations.

[2:31:57] Drop.

[2:31:58] So, in caution, you think I'm gonna run it a pipe all the way from seven all the way to two?

[2:32:03] I'm free?

[2:32:05] I'm operationally over time.

[2:32:09] Additional benefits of putting a reservoir and there is...

[2:32:12] When you have a reservoir, you can actually reduce groundwater,

[2:32:14] reliance on groundwater quicker, which also means better water quality as well.

[2:32:20] And so, there are added benefits to that.

[2:32:22] The other thing about lateral five and a half reservoir is that that is a reservoir that in that area has

[2:32:29] lower water quality in that area as well as the recycled water that we have

[2:32:37] As part of a sort of BA and that's also the location where we had it planned to take that recycled water

[2:32:42] Put into that and then blend it for reuse as well. So there's some benefits there. I know some capacity issues because we have a reservoir

[2:32:49] or you can start those days whenever you need to.

[2:32:52] Instead of trying to work it through, a lot of a five to five and a half

[2:32:55] to get to that point.

[2:32:56] So if this is a lot of things to do.

[2:32:58] That's not something to sneeze at, because that's some of the

[2:33:01] wait time we discussed it.

[2:33:03] If July, August, September, if you're 100% capacity with your

[2:33:08] system, this gives you an additional capacity.

[2:33:10] And then that 36-hour wait time ultimately could come down from that.

[2:33:14] It brings a supply cluster to the demand down there where they need it because

[2:33:17] There's so heavily reliant on groundwater because of the capacity issues that the reservoir would mitigate a lot of that so that's my operation

[2:33:23] We always thought that was one of the better locations because we always have issues the bottom of the ladder of five and a half

[2:33:31] Yeah

[2:33:32] These reservoirs

[2:33:35] Would be

[2:33:37] Summer time operations correct

[2:33:40] Mainly

[2:33:41] Mainly

[2:33:42] I

[2:33:44] Looking at your location of

[2:33:48] the reservoir of a lower lateral two and a half. There's a lot of extra capacity out there in

[2:33:53] reservoirs with the city of Minnesota out there during the summertime, that we could

[2:33:57] maybe have a joint relationship with. We are still in a discussion with City Modesto. So when

[2:34:04] we put that in there that's part of the plan, but then we would have to build our own

[2:34:09] reform. Exactly. We already got constructed reservoirs out there.

[2:34:11] Exactly. And we're still in discussions with the City Modesto. So we were talking about that.

[2:34:15] So it would obviously give, you know, conversation, continue to be fruitful, we have some agreement

[2:34:20] there.

[2:34:21] It would be placed that one.

[2:34:24] I want to direct their Yonan as a question, when it was reviewing this, and so let me

[2:34:30] see if I can actually answer the question, so it's really kind of put this into perspective,

[2:34:34] right?

[2:34:34] Because we talk about the different approaches.

[2:34:36] We also talk about the different phases, but I show, or we show that, for example, we look

[2:34:42] face three, and we look at $78 million for a TCC-only, how does that translate, what does

[2:34:52] that mean? And let me try to put it to perspective, like, $78 million. If you divide that

[2:34:58] over a 25-year period, it kind of averages out that it would be around $2.3 million on an

[2:35:05] annual basis. Obviously, every year is going to be slightly different. But average out to be

[2:35:08] about $2.3 million of additional capital expenditures

[2:35:13] that we don't have today.

[2:35:16] But we also show you here that reduction of staffing.

[2:35:19] So in phase three, our project is staffing goes from 38 to 23.

[2:35:24] If that's the case, should be the case.

[2:35:27] Using today's fully burned costs,

[2:35:31] there is a reduction in also O&M of staffing as well,

[2:35:35] to offset that cost of, as an example, in this case here,

[2:35:42] some amount of money.

[2:35:44] So if you take those differences, it

[2:35:49] nets out to be around a million dollars a year in an attic cost.

[2:35:54] I do want to say that there are potentially, again,

[2:35:57] there's a lot of things we don't know in terms of the maintenance site.

[2:36:00] What could happen?

[2:36:01] Are we going to put additional capital improvement

[2:36:04] dollars in there to maintain it, we're going to add now that there's reduction in the WDO staff force.

[2:36:12] Do we, how we handle maintenance in the future, do we, do we, do we make changes in construction

[2:36:17] maintenance, staffing there, not sure, but looking strictly at this, you can see that this option of a phase three,

[2:36:24] 78 million dollars, works out to about 2.0, works out to be about, I'm sorry, $3 million, and then if you

[2:36:31] net out around $2 million from the reduction of staffing, you're down to about $1 million.

[2:36:35] But price, I get it.

[2:36:36] But on the water.

[2:36:38] So if you say, at that, at that, the end of that phase, if you can conserve $43,000, it

[2:36:46] puts it down to about $20 per acre foot.

[2:36:49] But price is at $100.

[2:36:50] $20 per acre foot.

[2:36:52] And that...

[2:36:54] That's the cost of water?

[2:36:56] Yes.

[2:36:57] Savings.

[2:36:58] Best of the over 20 years you said?

[2:37:00] Yes.

[2:37:00] I'll face $4.20 in the microphone.

[2:37:03] I don't know.

[2:37:08] Now, so it depends on how valuable.

[2:37:12] Now that we've spent $78 million,

[2:37:16] and we could conserve $42,000 in the microphone.

[2:37:18] Again, that's what translates to on an annual basis

[2:37:20] about a million dollars.

[2:37:21] What is that worse in terms of the water?

[2:37:24] So, hopefully that kind of answers to your question.

[2:37:30] Do you have a few thoughts? Are you done? Is this your last slide?

[2:37:34] The last slide is going to check in with the board in terms of the vision. Maybe you want to go through that before you answer the question.

[2:37:40] So the concept here, regardless of which approach the board takes, but we're going all the way to follow phase three or phase four at the end.

[2:37:48] The objective here in the vision is ready to transform the existing system that we have right now to a more modernized system that's automated and with no unintended spillage.

[2:37:59] Meaning that if we want to spill, is it because we want to spill on a good water here, but if we don't want any spillage, it will not have any spillage.

[2:38:07] And capable of delivering water to our customers within 24 hours.

[2:38:11] And then, now, meeting the changing needs of our customers and TID, providing flexibility for us as well, while reducing a reliance on groundwater, which in it would.

[2:38:20] And in this nowadays, with Sigma, it would be a very important factor.

[2:38:23] And so, that's what the vision is for all those two approaches with those phases and that the priority of the objective that we have is as we shown here, conservation, levels of service, as a by-product staffing over your 25 year period time.

[2:38:39] So, these are the things that we do want to kind of get feedback from the board.

[2:38:42] That's interesting.

[2:38:45] Payne, it just not spelled out.

[2:38:47] But by reducing reliance on ground ore,

[2:38:49] you're going to improve water quality for some of our customers.

[2:38:52] Especially out there on five and a half,

[2:38:53] they have a real need for water quality improvement.

[2:38:56] But I think I put that right in as another check mark under the priority

[2:38:59] of objectives and level of service.

[2:39:00] I think it's increased level of service.

[2:39:02] They're improving water quality to our customers.

[2:39:04] The exception of that level of seven pump back.

[2:39:07] That's a concern there.

[2:39:07] Just flag.

[2:39:08] I'm sure you guys already thought about that,

[2:39:09] but that's a concern there.

[2:39:12] We recognize that.

[2:39:13] I want to reduce the water quality.

[2:39:15] and so on and recognize that, for example, we recognize you put that and maybe that many

[2:39:21] of the years when you have good water years that you really don't want to take advantage of

[2:39:24] that.

[2:39:25] But then when you don't have water, I think we've had the conversation with the board test

[2:39:29] well too, when you don't have water, any water is going to be better than none.

[2:39:34] Operational constraints in normal years, you only pump back when you have a certain amount

[2:39:38] of water coming down for blending.

[2:39:39] pain.

[2:39:42] Both of that could be accomplished with total channel control as well, so maybe that's a lower

[2:39:46] hanging fruit or a higher fruit that you might not want to see up as seeing that could

[2:39:52] potentially come off the reservoir list because it's a good point.

[2:39:57] Dr. Franch, do you have some questions?

[2:39:59] I just want to start by saying thank you for this fantastic presentation.

[2:40:03] The four of you, I know that the change is hard, and we've been talking about some of the

[2:40:06] for a long time, I look at last and rad, and you, the form was went to Australia, was that

[2:40:11] been a decade ago, and saw this stuff, and it's pretty exciting to see it actually

[2:40:15] begin to put some meat on these bones. So I'm excited, there's a lot of potential here,

[2:40:19] and I'm grateful for the energy that all of you have put into being brave and up and proposing

[2:40:25] different ways of doing old things. So that's pretty cool. To me, overall, the costs are

[2:40:32] lower than I expected them to be.

[2:40:34] And in some ways, they're lower than we've always discussed,

[2:40:36] sort of talking over the water cooler,

[2:40:39] it's over some of these things.

[2:40:41] And so I think that there is real promise here

[2:40:44] for us to be able to build it and build it in a way

[2:40:47] that isn't going to be economically challenging

[2:40:51] for a community that is in right now,

[2:40:54] pretty economically challenging times,

[2:40:56] at least the agricultural community.

[2:40:58] So I am all for doing whatever your team thinks

[2:41:02] is best. I don't have enough knowledge to know whether we go this route or that route to

[2:41:06] me at all looks good. It's just a matter of prioritizing and figuring out what makes

[2:41:10] sense to do in an orderly methodical way. I would like to see you begin to packet this up

[2:41:17] in such a way that we can bring it to our constituents in a 2018 and raise rates to pay

[2:41:23] for it as we go along. Because if we're assume we're going to do this in a lumpy fashion

[2:41:27] with borrowed money, it intentionally doubled the cost or repairs.

[2:41:32] And because of the long duration of time that you're proposing to do it at a methodical

[2:41:36] incremental steady rate, it makes sense from day one to raise rates the one or two million

[2:41:42] dollars a year, and then revenue finance it over the duration of the project.

[2:41:46] It's more economical.

[2:41:48] I think it's an easy story to sell.

[2:41:50] I think if we can package it up in a way that everyone can see that over time everyone benefits.

[2:41:55] Water savings are tremendous.

[2:41:58] I couldn't be more supportive.

[2:41:59] So thank you.

[2:42:03] You want to add to that?

[2:42:04] I made a lot of comments and just anything that we can do to pilot a certain area.

[2:42:09] So we can make sure it's going to work.

[2:42:11] I mean, we've got some technology very purchased.

[2:42:14] We're not utilizing all of it to the furthest extent that we can.

[2:42:18] So why not pilot a few areas that we can work with?

[2:42:20] That way we can even help us turn which way we need to go on our long-term plan.

[2:42:27] If you own it. Yeah, I agree with Michael. I think a special assessment to get this paid for so when I borrow money to pay for it

[2:42:35] And I'm I'm fine with moving ahead whether it's phase three phase four probably phase three with

[2:42:42] Reservoirs I I don't think we need a

[2:42:46] I think we've already looked a lateral number eight long enough. I don't think we need to do

[2:42:51] a special

[2:42:51] test because that only added the length of time to

[2:42:55] get the whole thing done. So I'm more in the camp of move forward now, phase three with

[2:43:02] reservoirs, special assessment to finance it. That's kind of in the ballpark where I'm at.

[2:43:11] Like it, I think we need to be holistic and look at East and West side to see that our whole

[2:43:21] water shed, all the growers will pay for this, it helps everybody involved.

[2:43:28] I grew a Joe, Joe, I love pilots, they're a lot of fun, and I think that's super-wise

[2:43:37] to try new things out, new technologies, things that are risky, do a Joe said, try them

[2:43:43] in a small area and see if they work, it's a no-brainer, I don't think anybody in the board

[2:43:47] would get mad at you if it didn't work, right?

[2:43:50] You're a lot worse than you do the whole system.

[2:43:53] They might say they hate you.

[2:43:54] They're a food sickness.

[2:43:55] They do.

[2:43:56] Super smart.

[2:43:56] You got time.

[2:43:57] You guys have a wealth of knowledge.

[2:44:00] I know you're bringing up a lot of young people.

[2:44:02] Hopefully they can learn and develop a culture of trying new things out.

[2:44:09] And like I think Joe also said, I've given Joe all this credit.

[2:44:13] I mean, I'm writing him down.

[2:44:16] As you're saying.

[2:44:16] Yeah, I've never talked about the years we sang together.

[2:44:19] Exactly.

[2:44:20] You know, AI is the talk of today and use all of those smart computers to help solve those issues you guys have.

[2:44:35] You know, one thing I would like to say, I joke, you know, $20 water is, I don't think that's the benchmark.

[2:44:44] But so, you know, you put value on how much you save.

[2:44:50] I think there's just water, so everybody knows.

[2:45:00] The board is, we've got a great board, we're a diverse board, a lot of different ideas, except for one of us, but it's okay. I think he's in.

[2:45:10] I'll let him talk about it.

[2:45:13] Well, the only thing I said about your piloting is I'm sensitive to Dr. Jonas point about timely timing. I've been here 15 years and I don't think I got 15 more.

[2:45:21] And so I'd like to have it done 15, not in 25.

[2:45:25] Yes.

[2:45:25] I'm not saying to leave.

[2:45:26] But I'm just saying if we have that technology out there, and he says one of the two points

[2:45:31] of automating the saggates is the forward method, the other one is just actually controlling

[2:45:35] it.

[2:45:36] So let's do at least that one point that we can with what we got out there.

[2:45:40] All right.

[2:45:41] And if we're looking at automating every single saggate for the whole whole system, why not

[2:45:46] let's do one area?

[2:45:48] See if we're really getting the labor savings that we're really going to get.

[2:45:50] I'm looking at that 25-year plan and looking at what we're going to want to make it 15.

[2:45:54] I don't know, screw you.

[2:45:56] I'm talking about a pilot.

[2:45:57] We will work to develop a very speedy pilot for your consideration.

[2:46:03] The direction, so I do want to point something.

[2:46:06] I wasn't in prior as clear earlier, but you see when the two different approaches, the approach

[2:46:11] with the reservoir, because you are getting savings earlier though, but because you are

[2:46:16] the cost of the reservoir over time, it is a more costly approach. When you get to that

[2:46:21] phase 4, it costs a hundred, somebody may end out of a versus a hundred and thirty-four.

[2:46:26] And so, as we move forward, if the board's direction to, hey, we want to capture some of those savings

[2:46:31] earlier for conservation, go with the reservoirs and then do CCC as well, then we will go with the

[2:46:37] TCC with reservoirs approach. Is that kind of where the board wants to go?

[2:46:42] I just think the five and a half of our we've got the land built down there and there's water quality concerns out there and we need to get that done

[2:46:48] It's in as we physically can economically so I think five and a half is already

[2:46:54] You know have one here that says

[2:46:56] Phase 1.2 a that is you know that reservoir and then the total Santa control

[2:47:02] So I don't have a lot of information on those other two projects that you're talking about that adds an extra

[2:47:09] Because that project is only 10 million correct.

[2:47:12] So that's at an extra 26 million on those other two projects.

[2:47:15] What you're saying?

[2:47:16] That is correct.

[2:47:17] I don't know about that 26 million.

[2:47:18] You have to raise more information back to me for me to give you a recommendation.

[2:47:22] If we want to spend that 26 million.

[2:47:24] But I think five and a half is definitely need to go forward.

[2:47:27] So here's something that, like the opponent's table then,

[2:47:30] we'll continue to look at five and a half.

[2:47:31] It's already designed very good.

[2:47:33] We got a grant application there.

[2:47:34] When we get the grant, we move forward with that.

[2:47:36] The other thing on lateral 6 and 7 is it is a pump-back. It does have

[2:47:41] what the quality concerns us well. So what I heard is I put that in a push that out for the full consideration.

[2:47:48] The lateral 1 and 3 we continue to have conversations with City Modesto. If there

[2:47:52] it becomes fruitful, that could be a replacement. We won't have to make that could be very cheap water if I'm in that scenario.

[2:47:59] Well, I want to take care of Director Masino. He hasn't weighed in on anything.

[2:48:03] I like the old system, I like to go bring the game.

[2:48:09] Welcome folks.

[2:48:11] It's a nice, fascinating presentation.

[2:48:14] You know, I agree with both Michael and Joe, a pilot would be great, but again,

[2:48:19] because you're going to have to go sell it to all of our participants that you are.

[2:48:23] Because you're going to talk about significant aid.

[2:48:25] Don't worry.

[2:48:26] But to a dock point, it's not $20 in acre water as much as it is for 40,000 acre feet a year.

[2:48:32] It's basically, once every 10 years, once every 10 years,

[2:48:36] you got another year of irrigation water, you saved up.

[2:48:39] So that reliability is, again, almost priceless.

[2:48:42] So I think you got a great direction to get started and let's go.

[2:48:46] I think we have enough to do what we can take

[2:48:48] and to package something together.

[2:48:50] And then with when we come back,

[2:48:51] we can probably discuss strategy of implementation, as well.

[2:48:57] That's right.

[2:48:59] So I did put next step, because there's no steps in there.

[2:49:02] just because it's dependent on the feedback from the board and so we got a lot of

[2:49:06] direction for you but what we do we will be coming back to the board with a

[2:49:10] more populated sets of projects to for the board to consider okay thank you for

[2:49:16] your time you know thank you oh I want to speak I was just I can't you today

[2:49:27] I was quick, Phil, I was quick.

[2:49:32] He was ready for it.

[2:49:33] He was ready.

[2:49:36] Yeah, we're going to move on to General Manor's update.

[2:49:40] Yeah, I just also want to thank the staff for, you know, my career group, in particular,

[2:49:46] this is brave and it's in cooperation with all the staff and I think it's really cool to see

[2:49:53] his stuff excited and wanted to be part of like what's the vision for the future and you know

[2:49:58] they their jobs might transition into something more technical and and they're excited about that so

[2:50:02] um I hope I hope they all walk away with that and that they're building the future of TID like together

[2:50:09] so anyways it's really cool to see because it has been a long time coming we've been talking about it

[2:50:13] but never real action so so thank you all and thank you for the board for your valuable input

[2:50:18] I think you guys have asked for this since long before I was GM but day one when I was GM.

[2:50:24] This was one on top of your list. So hopefully this satisfied that a couple of things and I went to look at it.

[2:50:36] But Brad maybe remember last Wednesday was the kick off of the customer academy.

[2:50:42] I'm going and I don't see the remember 25 people 21.

[2:50:47] But anyways, the first night kicked off of being everybody loved it all excited and so it's for Wednesdays

[2:50:56] Looking over there should have looked but anyways excited about that

[2:51:00] Last week director Masito staff and myself were in Washington DC for both the American Public Power Association and the Association of California Water Agentsies held their DC rallies

[2:51:12] jointly, so it was very convenient for us to hit both in one week, and obviously why we're back there.

[2:51:17] We make Hill visits, it's good to check in with a lot of the committee staff, and then also, of course, our delegation.

[2:51:25] So we talked covered a lot of topics and everybody's interested in voluntary agreements, which it was really helpful to talk specifically from the toalomy in the San Joaquin perspective, as we're in a different kind of phase with the state water board.

[2:51:38] And then also we're the only ones not asking for money.

[2:51:41] So they very much appreciated the fact that we are coming to the table with a comprehensive plan that is self-funded and can be implemented immediately.

[2:51:49] So that was a really good point for us.

[2:51:51] They always want to know where we're at with relaxing scene as we started this process in 2009.

[2:51:57] So given them update where we're at with that.

[2:52:00] The new habitat partnership with River Partners was a big hit in discussion about how they're helping us implement all of the habitat.

[2:52:07] that we want to do on the 20, and then we took the opportunity, we kind of

[2:52:11] talks a little bit about it when we were talking about the IRP, but just ongoing issues

[2:52:20] with transformers, supply chain, that's a big issue, and then just kind of holistically

[2:52:25] about where California is.

[2:52:30] And kind of all those areas. So, anyways, was a good trip, I thought, and then of course, you know, director receipt of can add on to that.

[2:52:38] That's all I have.

[2:52:39] Very good. Okay. We'll move on to Business of the Board.

[2:52:42] I'll go back to Dr. Elemo.

[2:52:45] No items.

[2:52:46] Frank, Frank, Frank.

[2:52:46] No, I'm nothing. Thank you to Michelle and you for that.

[2:52:49] Thank you.

[2:52:50] Thank you.

[2:52:50] Yeah, I had something here I wanted us to think about entertaining the thought of doing an RFP for our general council position.

[2:52:59] And I'd say that, knowing we had a very long and fruitful relationship with the General

[2:53:05] Council.

[2:53:06] We have now, I also look at the district as the needs of the district have changed substantially

[2:53:11] over the last 10, 15 years.

[2:53:13] We're not the same company we were 100 years ago and want to be very sensitive to existing vendors

[2:53:22] and want to make sure they're included in the opportunity, but I do think as a public

[2:53:27] agency, we owe it to the public to go out and look at these relationships and make sure

[2:53:34] that there's an opportunity to consolidate our legal services. Every week when I review

[2:53:40] the check register we have a lot of attorneys that we use for a lot of different things

[2:53:45] and if there's an opportunity to consolidate some of that and save some money and also

[2:53:50] improve the quality of representation we're getting in some areas. I think we owe it to the

[2:53:56] to look at that and start the RFP process for General Counsel, but I would like to hear from my colleagues on the board.

[2:54:08] Yeah, we do have a long history with General Counsel.

[2:54:14] I think culture changes and stuff, so it would be nice to go out to get an RFP.

[2:54:19] I'm not sure how much they charge, but to be nice to see what the environment is in the landscape of General Counsel.

[2:54:28] council. I'd be in favor of

[2:54:34] that. I just love to hear Michelle's thoughts on this. Maybe

[2:54:39] you can think about it. Maybe her and Brad can take a look at what David's talking about with

[2:54:45] some of those other, if we're really going to see any cost savings with some of these other

[2:54:49] lawyers that we're currently using, or those are just specified, and what you call them, especially

[2:54:54] lawyers that you've got to use anyway. So I'd love to hear you guys as an analysis before I make

[2:54:58] management on this, I don't have enough knowledge to do that at this time.

[2:55:08] Yeah, that's a tough one. It's a sensitive subject.

[2:55:16] I have a think about that a little bit.

[2:55:19] There's, we actually've had a long conversation years ago, Dr. John, about the pros and cons

[2:55:25] of having in-house counsel, and the T.I.D. board has always spelled it as better to have a third

[2:55:30] party represent us as opposed to some of our neighbors who have their own on-staff attorney

[2:55:35] be for general counsel, and I think that having outsourcing it has proven to be the better

[2:55:40] path for TID.

[2:55:42] But it doesn't mean we can't have reviews from time to time like we do many of our other

[2:55:48] third parties that we work with.

[2:55:50] Well, that's what I'm thinking as a public agency, I mean, I'll ask the board members and

[2:55:55] Brad and Michelle, have, when does anyone remember the last time we did an RFP for the position

[2:56:00] of general counsel?

[2:56:02] If we did a full RFP, I know we've looked at it, I think what Michelle came on, we would have to start off.

[2:56:08] So there's 2024, I think.

[2:56:10] 2020, I mean?

[2:56:11] Even when Larry Wieswell got on the board, for some reason we have talked about it.

[2:56:16] I'll talk about it.

[2:56:18] I know for a lot of things.

[2:56:19] If you have the key to getting changed, I want to be clear that.

[2:56:22] I want to be very sensitive and respectful to the people we're using now in these positions.

[2:56:27] But I do think as a public agency,

[2:56:29] we kind of owe it to our constituents to go out and see what's available and I'm not just

[2:56:36] so much interested in saving money in the cost, that would be a nice added but who but what's

[2:56:43] out there in the form of legal minds who may or may not do a lot better job than the ones we're

[2:56:51] using now? I think there's ways to do that without going out for full RFP against public

[2:56:55] I think people have connections and staff can talk to people, and I think they've been doing that over time, but I don't know if the full RFP process is best.

[2:57:12] Maybe, but I don't know.

[2:57:14] Yeah, I'm not sure.

[2:57:16] I don't think we can give any direction today as to how to do that.

[2:57:19] I think we'll...

[2:57:22] Maybe Executive Committee or something will discuss this a little bit further and how to bring this forward and go forward.

[2:57:26] Yeah. Okay. That I have two items of DPRA last month. We heard a proposal from

[2:57:36] Centek for a third party vote repair there. Always a lot of

[2:57:39] consternation with the owner house votes and not for you and how that's going to work.

[2:57:45] But we're moving forward that. Also they give their report on maintenance.

[2:57:48] There's seen video in a good job. It's going on there. And we had a workshop on

[2:57:53] Potential new 50-50 amp campgrounds that there are no 50 amp campgrounds that don't p-drew

[2:57:59] but with these new and

[2:58:00] fangles and better bigger and better

[2:58:04] Trailer's motorhomes, they're looking for 50 amp

[2:58:07] Service, so we're doing that

[2:58:09] That's D. Ferre and like Jim Romaine Rhymer's reported I did attend

[2:58:16] Last week with Josh Wymers and Michelle

[2:58:19] I just like to say that we are very fortunate with

[2:58:23] the staff we have, and the job they do there, and the connections they have inroads with

[2:58:27] they made there, they do a fantastic job of representing the district and getting their points

[2:58:31] across and working, and know how it works, and there, and it was a pleasure to be alongside

[2:58:36] with them, and I viewed my role as support there. They looked for the board with my name,

[2:58:43] and I tried to do that, and because it was easy to do, because they do a very good job there,

[2:58:48] and thank you for all that. It was good to go through the different agencies, and what we do,

[2:58:52] in our constituents and take that back, that we're doing a good job here.

[2:58:56] And it's kind of, it's kind of,

[2:58:59] yeah, and I don't know what the right word is.

[2:59:01] I'm proud to say that when you talk about all the issues in California

[2:59:04] with PG&E rates and everything, and then Josh would always

[2:59:07] quick to point out that we're one and two

[2:59:09] for his lowest rates in California there.

[2:59:12] So it's always doing, I think, says we're doing a good job,

[2:59:15] and then how we're working with the water and with the ASO,

[2:59:17] and all we're doing, how we're managing that.

[2:59:19] So it was very easy to do, and I appreciate going back there,

[2:59:21] There's always pleasure to go back and for behalf of the district to DC.

[2:59:26] With that, I will entertain a motion.

[2:59:30] We have two items in closed session to adjourn to closed session.

[2:59:34] I'll make that motion.

[2:59:36] There's second?

[2:59:37] Second?

[2:59:38] All those in favor, please.

[2:59:40] Aye.

[2:59:41] Those.

[2:59:42] And where are we at?

[2:59:44] Okay.

[2:59:44] I'd like to recommend that the TID meeting report, there's no action taken in closed session.

[2:59:49] Intertain a motion to adjourn.

[2:59:50] So moved.

[2:59:52] Second.

[2:59:52] All the favour?

[2:59:54] Aye.

[2:59:57] That was enough salad.

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