[0:26] All right. Great. Call to order our public safety meeting for September, and start off with the roll call.

[0:46] Second. Chair Hicks. Yes. Here.

[0:49] Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair Olson, Commissioner Kamar, Commissioner Alpogate, Commissioner Pinkin.

[0:57] Here.

[0:58] Thanks.

[0:59] I'm still getting used to conducting the meetings, so I appreciate it.

[1:04] A pleasure of allegiance.

[1:05] Let's start off with that.

[1:09] I'd like to lead us about you.

[1:12] Commissioner Pinkham.

[1:13] Hands over your heart.

[1:14] Please face the flag.

[1:15] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic,

[1:22] or one which stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[1:28] Thank you.

[1:29] You see it?

[1:30] Thank you.

[1:32] All right.

[1:35] We'll start off with our comments from the public.

[1:41] Sir, you have no comments?

[1:44] we have no other comments that we're written in public we

[1:50] do have one comment but

[1:51] is for an item on the agenda so we will move on then comments of the

[1:56] public are closed reordering of the agenda have any motions to reorder the

[2:03] agenda different okay sent calendar minutes of the public safety commission

[2:15] meetings from June 23rd. Do we have any amendments to that? I know that I

[2:25] think we revisited it last time about one comment that I had made it would look

[2:29] like it may have been refraised in there and was adjusted. Everybody have a

[2:35] chance to look at that?

[2:42] It was just a comment that I had made about question the

[2:46] The veracity, I think, was the term that they used it, I was just asking questions, is a different context of questioning the veracity versus questioning the program, per se, asking questions versus questioning the,

[3:04] it made some small adjustment, but I'm happy with that as we're discussing it again today, and we had it discussed previously.

[3:12] I was going to wait until the end of our meeting, but we talked about the homeless ordinance and it was going to be on the agenda for tonight, and it's not.

[3:25] So I didn't know if that's going to be on another agenda.

[3:28] What's discussed after the at the end of the meeting?

[3:31] Okay.

[3:33] Push that to the back.

[3:37] We do have a comment from David Hackson regarding the minutes for the August 27th regarding

[3:44] a correction.

[3:46] So I just want to note that for the record that if you approve the minutes we will be

[3:50] adjusting the comment to David Hackson highlighted the lack of detailed cost and logistics

[3:58] and staff report for proposed signs and suggested using a system of solar powered remote controlled

[4:10] And that would be a adjustment to page three.

[4:22] So you'd be approving with that adjustment.

[4:30] This is on page three from the August meeting.

[4:33] June 23rd, June.

[4:35] August meeting.

[4:36] August meeting.

[4:37] Okay.

[4:38] Turn the head.

[4:39] Okay.

[4:41] as on page three and that is his

[4:50] concerns.

[4:50] You had a lot more verbiage in what this one said at that time.

[4:56] Correct.

[4:58] Which she just entered into the record.

[5:01] Correct.

[5:01] So if you're approving the minutes, it

[5:03] will be with that revised language tomorrow.

[5:05] I'm going to accurately reflect his public comment.

[5:07] Does anybody need to hear that comment again?

[5:12] You please.

[5:15] David Haxson highlighted the lack of detailed costs

[5:18] and logistics in the SAF report for proposed signs and suggested using a system of solar-powered

[5:23] remote controlled warning signs to improve communication during high-risk fire days.

[5:27] He recommended focusing on local wind conditions instead of broad red-black warnings and emphasized

[5:32] need for clear timely notifications to avoid confusion and ensure public safety.

[5:37] Again, this is a summary of his comment.

[5:39] The full comment can be heard on the video recording for the August 27th Special Joint Meeting

[5:44] Minute.

[5:44] Okay,

[5:51] so we'll let's go back to the first one and June 23rd we have a motion to approve

[5:57] those minutes.

[5:58] Sure.

[5:58] I'll move to those minutes.

[6:00] Okay.

[6:00] Second.

[6:01] All right.

[6:02] The meetings are approved for June 23rd, the August 27th with the added comments from

[6:08] Mr. Axworth.

[6:10] Yes.

[6:11] The motion to approve.

[6:13] Second.

[6:14] Okay.

[6:15] It's been approved.

[6:18] Newer continued business.

[6:19] We'll start off with the Los Angeles County Fire Department, Fire Act CBR report for August

[6:27] 2025, Gender Item 2 for me.

[6:35] For August, total of 166 responses in the city, 94 of those were for medical calls and

[6:46] we transported 64 patients.

[6:48] There were 11 traffic collisions reported.

[6:54] One in particular was on August 27th on Disconso Drive.

[7:03] And that was versus an e-bike.

[7:05] And the rider of the e-bike was a 63-year-old male.

[7:11] There was one sire during the month.

[7:15] and that was a trash fire on town center dries and then the other note where the incident

[7:22] for the month was a tree that had come down into the corner of a two-story home on Palm

[7:32] Drive. There was a tree removal service on scene when firefighters got there so the tree

[7:38] had come down before that and the firefighters did have them stop work and they notified

[7:45] building and safety and building and safety came out and inspected to make sure that there

[7:51] was nothing structural going going on before the tree removal service could continue its

[7:56] work. So they gave them the green light and they continued to remove that tree. And that

[8:04] That was it.

[8:09] Are there particular type of trees that they have to get a permit to remove?

[8:14] The only tree that you actually need a permit to remove as far as I know of is an oak

[8:19] tree.

[8:20] Oh yeah, that's what I was questioning.

[8:22] My daughter lives where there's lots of oak trees and like a thousand dollars.

[8:26] This was not just a tree removal.

[8:28] This was a tree that came crashing down into a house.

[8:32] So that's an emergency and you do what you need to do.

[8:35] thank you.

[8:39] Could you repeat you said you had the e-bike of note the injury

[8:43] there? What was? No injury. Oh, there was no injury on the e-bike there

[8:57] inputs on the. Just out of curiosity I was wondering the tree fell on a house

[9:02] who's responsible for the tree falling on the house. Is it the city of

[9:09] Locking out the county would

[9:13] imagine it's the homeowner. I can speak to that briefly. It just really depends

[9:17] So if a tree falls if it's in the public right of way

[9:21] Then it's a city owned tree and it could potentially fall from a public right of way onto a private property

[9:28] Um, in which case again city responsibility, but if it's a private tree that fell onto the private property

[9:33] Then it's the private properties owners responsibility

[9:37] Okay, thank you

[9:43] So I wanted to make one comment.

[9:45] It was just last week.

[9:46] We certainly appreciated the preparedness

[9:50] or preparedness community event that we saw hosted here

[9:55] last week.

[9:56] It seemed to be fairly well attended,

[9:58] and I think there was a lot of good interface there,

[10:00] especially with the booths that you guys had set up

[10:05] with the QR codes, where you could come back later,

[10:08] as well as the booklets and preparedness.

[10:10] I thought that was a really class act, and I even got like a little...

[10:16] ...sucking the bear thing here, but I thought that was pretty cool.

[10:20] It was significant about it.

[10:23] It was more than just for adults.

[10:26] It was also for kids, and to build their preparedness and awareness of what is going on.

[10:32] So, I thought that was great.

[10:33] The fire goats were a big hit.

[10:35] We appreciate the opportunity to showcase the different agencies around here that take

[10:43] part in the community and work side-by-side with us with excellent communication.

[10:48] And that's the JPL fire force service, of course along with our law of working partner

[10:54] CHP.

[10:56] It was great.

[10:57] We're very fortunate.

[10:59] Yeah.

[10:59] No, I have a question.

[11:01] I pass out the flyer regarding the governor signed an executive order regarding zone zero,

[11:12] which is going to start, I believe, January, 2026, but you guys are aware of it.

[11:20] Yeah.

[11:20] We've been talking about zone zero for the past couple of years.

[11:24] And we have included it in the letters that we've been sending out to the residents for

[11:30] brush clearance every year, stating that we would not be enforcing zone zero for the

[11:36] past two years, those letters have included that we will not be enforcing zone zero.

[11:41] Zone zero was actually passed probably three years ago, it's out of assembly bill 3074.

[11:48] And so we've been talking about it for a number of years now.

[11:51] We are still not enforcing it.

[11:54] It will go into effect on January 1, 2026, but only for new construction.

[12:01] So existing homes will not be subject to zone zero until 2028.

[12:07] So that people have basically two and a half years still to think about what changes they

[12:15] might want to make to their landscaping within five feet of the home.

[12:19] And, you know, we're encouraging that people start thinking about that now, start planning

[12:25] for it, consider what changes you might want to make, and then make those changes gradually

[12:30] over the next two and a half years, so that by the time 2028 comes around, you'll already

[12:36] be in compliance.

[12:39] And I do recommend that you have any further questions that we hold off any discussion on

[12:43] any sort of thing for, like, an actual formalized agenda item.

[12:52] Okay, let's move on then to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, crime statistics report for August 2025, Deputy.

[13:03] Thank you, good evening, Sheriff Vice Chair and commissioners.

[13:05] My name is Deputy Alexander and I'm going to present the Sheriff's Support for the month of August.

[13:10] In regards to part one crimes that were no murders, rapes, robberies, or arson, there was one aggravator's salt.

[13:16] five residential burglaries and two other burglaries, 19 thefts and one grant

[13:21] theft auto. In regards to part two crimes, three vandalisms, one narcotics

[13:27] incident, and four fraud and identity thefts. Traffic statistics, 80 citations

[13:32] issued, 57 warnings given, two traffic collisions with injuries and five

[13:37] traffic collisions with no injuries. There were no flock safety related vehicle

[13:42] recovery is in August. Some stuff to highlight is 15 arrests in the city of

[13:46] the Locking Outer for the month of August up from 10 in July. No Cadillac

[13:51] converters, aggravators solve down 20% year-to-date in regards to trespassing,

[13:56] eight trespassing or possible trespassing calls and no reports. For 923's illegal

[14:02] shootings, one illegal shooting call and no illegal shooting reports. This concludes

[14:08] the statistics for a month of August. Any questions?

[14:17] Increase over last month. August over July.

[14:20] Can you say? For arrests?

[14:23] Yeah. Just, it's just up by five. So 15 this month, last month was 10.

[14:31] Any, any reason or that pretty standard?

[14:35] It just fluctuates throughout the month. I mean, it's just, we can't really pinpoint

[14:40] that's the will cause the rest to go up. Yeah, it is up by five.

[14:47] I like that the

[14:49] robberies are zero again, and for that least in August, the aggravated assault. What

[14:57] do you have any information on that? It seems like

[15:00] We have one almost, I won't say every other month, but it's this is twice in a row now when we had a little bit of a reprieve in the spring. Yeah. So, I don't have much detail, but just like a little synopsis is suspect shattered. The windows of the victim's Lamborghini.

[15:19] And yeah, then, then approach the suspect with a sledgehammer, but was possibly scared away by witnesses. As far as details when it comes to the actual

[15:29] call for service. I don't have that detail, but I can get it for you guys.

[15:33] So an aggravated assault doesn't have to be against a bodily person. It can just be against a property.

[15:39] If you smash the windows of a vehicle, I had a curiosity. I just needed a chair.

[15:45] So real quick, just for that specific statistic, the assault part can still be completed with just somebody,

[15:56] In this scenario, for example, he raised it and approached, but he never actually struck

[16:02] the victim.

[16:03] That still qualifies it completes the assault because it just means that someone who has

[16:08] the capability and the capability to commit great bodily injury has done that.

[16:15] So if there is no physical, he didn't actually get hit, it still completes the assault elements

[16:23] of the crime.

[16:29] The comments on the report?

[16:37] Generally, would you say, what would you say the statistics kind of speak for themselves

[16:45] but are you noticing any trends that you can impart to us as we get into the fall?

[16:52] We may want to expect as residents.

[16:55] Yes, that's a fantastic question, sir.

[16:57] So, I mean, I think we've mentioned it in the past last year and the year prior, obviously

[17:02] the holiday seasons are coming, with outcomes, gifts, and presence, and a lot of people,

[17:08] including myself, we get stuff delivered all the time.

[17:12] Even though the package theft and things like that, mail theft might be, you know, it might

[17:19] happen during the other months of the year, it does seem to be a little bit more in terms

[17:26] of like I feel like it's more it might happen more frequently to victim so we just always emphasize

[17:35] making sure that you know you're either there and if you're not then you can schedule some kind

[17:39] of drop off time or you know do one of those drop box locations or something like that to where

[17:46] it's not sitting because Armin I see it all the time even right now with you know the holiday

[17:51] still a couple of months away. We'll see larger packages, I don't know what they are but they are

[17:57] obviously of some value and they just sit and we'll do like an entire ship we'll head back

[18:01] that same street and it's still there so I mean if we see it I can almost guarantee you know that

[18:06] it's it's being seen by others too so if we could just be mindful of that and then as always myself

[18:13] on arm and our other guys that are on the the shifts in terms of the city will always patrol you

[18:20] know the shopping areas because now there's a lot of foot traffic and a lot of activity

[18:24] so we'll be doing that but those are probably just a couple of the more important tips.

[18:31] I think that also appreciate that and it does underscore again the neighborhood watch program

[18:38] because really comes into play watching everybody's homes and unusual vehicles and I would

[18:45] but also just mentioned that with that engaged neighborhood watch, I know I've seen increased,

[18:53] it almost seems like increased number of deputies in and around the community in response

[18:58] to some of the neighborhood watch reports that have made the residents feel safer as well

[19:03] as having eyes and ears nearby for areas that appear to be getting hit as of more recent

[19:11] or at least suspicious activity, so that is really appreciated by all of the residents of our community as well.

[19:20] I just wanted to, I know it's been a couple months now, but I congratulate Captain Vienna for his permanent appointment to that position.

[19:29] I saw him again at the preparedness thing and it's just great to be in a community where our deputies are so engaged in such a part of the community feeling a sense of ownership.

[19:41] and easy to interface with and very responsive.

[19:44] So definitely, we appreciate that and thank you for that.

[19:48] Thank you, sir.

[19:50] Anything else on the statistics before we move on?

[19:54] Nope.

[19:56] Okay, I'll

[19:59] put back here next on it.

[20:02] The agenda is to discuss and make formal recommendation

[20:06] on the proposed, no parking during the red flag warning policy,

[20:12] which is agenda item 4,

[20:18] pulling that up.

[20:20] This is something that is expected that we'd be deliberating on on this meeting.

[20:28] I first want to open it up to the city to see if they have any comments for us to consider

[20:32] as we go into a discussion period here regarding any modifications or changes or things of note

[20:41] that we need to consider regarding the red flag.

[20:48] So as you just mentioned, the discussion today is for you guys to make a formal recommendation

[20:54] regarding the proposal.

[20:57] You guys have discussed this a couple different times regarding the program.

[21:00] There's been a lot of outreach in town halls on August 27th.

[21:05] You had a joint meeting with the Public Works and Traffic Commission.

[21:09] A couple key considerations came out regarding scope of restrictions, activation criteria,

[21:17] notification methods, and general support.

[21:21] So in terms of next steps for this program, again today, we have three options for you,

[21:27] so you'll be making a recommendation on one of those.

[21:30] The options are to recommend adopting the proposed program on the designated streets to

[21:39] to recommend adopting it city-wide or to not adopt it.

[21:44] Those are your three options today.

[21:46] Following your recommendation,

[21:47] on October 21st, city council will then consider the program

[21:52] and make the final determination.

[21:54] If you want any more information regarding the program,

[21:58] I'm happy to answer any questions.

[22:00] If not, we will ask that you open it to public comment.

[22:05] And I do have one comment, Connor, I will hand you.

[22:18] So again, if you have any questions or staff now, I'm happy to answer those.

[22:24] Do we have any immediate questions before we offer a public comment regarding what we've discussed?

[22:34] I have a question.

[22:34] So far.

[22:36] So basically, the options are, we have those three options, what you said.

[22:41] So if we want to say that if we had, we couldn't have an option saying there's just,

[22:46] have a particularly dangerous situation rather than a red flag, that wouldn't be or an alternative.

[22:56] We can't go on or we can't just we can't recommend an alternative to what the three options are.

[23:02] Potentially with minimum changes, however it would have to be extremely outlined, so it is recommended that you follow one of the options.

[23:12] questions?

[23:18] Any other questions from staff? Before you do the public comment here. Okay.

[23:24] We do have a public comment card from Mr. Haxton, sir.

[23:31] David Haxton, city resident. Is

[23:34] that working?

[23:39] Before I get into my comment, let me just say, when the city tree falls on

[23:45] your property, the city isn't liable unless they've been negligent.

[23:49] City gets half a dozen claims a year of like branches falling and trees and stuff.

[23:53] If the city has had an arborist and professional tree trimming service in like last four years,

[24:02] they say they denied the claim because we haven't been negligent.

[24:06] Things happen, wind, tree limbs that have no visible or any way you can know that they're

[24:12] weak.

[24:12] you know they drop on a car so it's actually very rare for the city to emit

[24:19] liability and that's why I have homers and insurance and think about homers

[24:23] and insurance as you pay a deductible so if you have a $500 deductible and it's

[24:27] only $700 damage you might say I won't even bother because it's a mark

[24:33] against me the insurance company anyway as to this topic I think it should be

[24:41] particularly dangerous situation days there should be a like a minimum win

[24:47] because the wind is the big issue here just a plain old fire like the station

[24:53] fire with no wind we were fine I remember watching the tankers and stuff and

[25:00] we went to the beach and come back and watch you know as we weren't in danger at

[25:04] all it's the wind that puts you in danger so I think whatever a particularly

[25:09] a dangerous situation should be whatever 35 miles an hour or whatever it is.

[25:13] Secondly, I think it makes more sense to do the whole city instead of particular streets.

[25:20] I think particular streets you have the problem with those residents then clogging neighboring

[25:26] streets and causing issues there.

[25:30] I think the big problem with either way the whole city or particular streets is communication.

[25:38] That is, I mean, when a particular danger situation happens, it could be 10 p.m., it could

[25:45] be 3 a.m., it could be 9 a.m., anytime during the day.

[25:49] Let's just say it's the middle of the day and you've got some people at work, dozens

[25:55] of miles away, you've got some people working at home, you've got some people, the regular,

[26:03] you know, daily thing of taking the kids to school and all you've got kids in school,

[26:07] You've got teachers parking on the streets around the schools.

[26:14] It's how are they all going to know that you can't park like the LCE teachers.

[26:20] Very many of them park on Locking out of Boulevard.

[26:23] How are they supposed to know that at nine o'clock in the morning,

[26:27] they're no longer supposed to park there.

[26:30] And they come out of school and find that their car has been towed.

[26:33] I think communication is really the big issue, and as I said, it doesn't matter if it's

[26:40] some streets or all streets, it's the same problem.

[26:44] I was disappointed that tonight, a month ago when you had your joint meeting, I complained

[26:48] that there wasn't any financial information, cost information about what would all these

[26:53] if you did particular streets, what would all these signs cost?

[26:57] Because to me, you know, cost is, it's in the balance.

[27:01] I mean safety and cost, safety is more important, but you know how you do the safety is affected

[27:09] by the cost.

[27:10] So, I'm disappointed tonight that was nothing about cost.

[27:15] And I think the communication is where, you know, somehow, everybody's got to get something

[27:21] on their phone, everybody's got to see signs.

[27:25] If you do all the streets, you don't need as many signs.

[27:29] If you do just some streets, you need tons of signs on those streets.

[27:33] So I think it's not going to be popular with people doing this, but I think it's necessary

[27:41] for safety.

[27:42] Thank you.

[27:43] Thank you.

[27:44] Thank you.

[27:45] I will also note for the record that the commission did receive an email from Sydney motif regarding

[27:54] Starting this item, the full comment again was emailed to you, but just a note for the record.

[28:03] Thank you.

[28:04] I did have a, actually, Mr. Hackworth actually touched on a point that it was important

[28:10] that I had been thinking about as well as some of his other points, but the communication element.

[28:15] As I understand it, there's an alert system with the fire LA County fires, that correct?

[28:24] There's no website to get alerts.

[28:28] How is that planned on being communicated that we had the red flag?

[28:32] So red flag, I was curious about the fire department when I was asking them specifically.

[28:38] When there is a red flag warning, we usually put out a media advisory that goes to all of the outlets and

[28:46] we put it on social media, all of our social media accounts.

[28:49] So, we are very proactive when it comes to knowing that a red flag warning has been issued

[28:56] and getting the word out, however we can, to let the public know that a red flag.

[29:02] And the media is pretty, pretty well on top of it as well.

[29:07] Even if they don't hear it from us, they know when there's red flag.

[29:10] And even during their weather reports, they will talk about red flag warnings.

[29:14] So, word gets out there that we're in a red flag.

[29:17] The only difference might be that they might not say exactly where the red flag is, what areas are affected by the red flag.

[29:32] So there are instances where there's a red flag warning throughout Los Angeles County except the Santa Monica Mountains.

[29:41] Or there's a red flag warning that applies only to the Santa Monica Mountains.

[29:46] or there's a red flag warning that is in the Santa Clarita Valley and Antelope Valley almost

[29:51] explicitly. Those are not as common but they do happen. For the most...

[30:00] As part, when there's a red flag warning throughout Los Angeles County, it is throughout Los Angeles County. It usually affects all of Los Angeles County. Okay, so it does sound like you guys have a fairly well oiled and robust system of communication to reach out to the residents to alert them of the red flag. So our social media news outlets carries, it's not part department that's putting out a red flag warning. It's national weather service.

[30:29] So, national weather service is producing the red flag warning, and then we would duplicate

[30:36] that on our social media, but you're going to see it on social media, you're going to

[30:39] see it on all the news outlets.

[30:41] It's typically in this in Southern California, especially in the last recent years, because

[30:46] of the fire history in the last couple of years, it's usually a big deal when red flag is put

[30:52] out, and they will usually capture that very well.

[30:54] Okay.

[30:55] Excellent.

[30:55] Let me also just say in regards to particular dangerous situations.

[31:01] So we are at the judgment of the National Weather Service if they put a particular dangerous

[31:08] situation in place.

[31:11] Let me be very clear.

[31:13] A wind-driven fire is a wind-driven fire, red flag, no red flag, PDS, no PDS.

[31:20] So if we're going to implement something where we need parking enforced, we're going to need

[31:25] that during red flag situations, there's a lot of red flag situations where we've had very large fires

[31:30] historically that did not fall under particularly dangerous situations.

[31:34] So coming from the fire department, I think it's important to notice that a red flag event

[31:40] is a red flag event, and there is a need to take it serious for the potential for fire.

[31:46] And that's what they're putting out for.

[31:48] Thank you.

[31:49] Katz, it's a seriously typically involving wind, not always, but typically involving wind.

[31:55] a relatively serious footing that needs to take place during these red flag days with

[32:02] the criteria that was specified from the N.O.

[32:05] In our community?

[32:06] Yes.

[32:07] A very serious footing.

[32:08] Right.

[32:11] Madison, I'm sorry, I know you wanted to chime in there, but I wanted to hear from them

[32:16] first, please.

[32:17] I was just going to emphasize that again, that these warnings are issued by the National

[32:23] a weather service, not the fire department themselves as well as the city would be the ones

[32:28] echoing the message, but again, it is issued by the National Weather Service.

[32:32] Okay.

[32:34] Thank you.

[32:35] Appreciate that.

[32:39] Yeah, I was just looking at the at this system here, the emergency notifications, the alert

[32:45] LA County, ready LA County, and I just thought that was part of it also, that we can register

[32:51] for it on the ready.la county.gov was that part of is that part of your your

[32:58] your all footprint that yes alert alert LA County falls under the Office of

[33:04] Emergency Management okay not the fire department okay so they are the ones

[33:08] that push out the notices for evacuations that the they put out the weas they do

[33:14] the mass notification phone calls they do all that the fire department is not

[33:19] doing those mass notifications, it is the Office of Emergency Management that is handling all of that.

[33:25] Thank you.

[33:28] All right, so with that, and again, I really appreciate the way that this has been, so this all

[33:39] obviously happened in the beginning of the year. We had a very big event but it's not, it wasn't a

[33:44] surprise per se, but it was very close. It was a very, very close call and all of the residents

[33:50] We had the evacuation, it was a big wake-up call for all of us, and an opportunity for us to learn how we can do things better as a community and as residents, a personal responsibility, as well as some agency responsibility, maybe some infrastructure discussion there, so we got to do that, and from that, the proposal that involved the residents was this, that a lot of time and effort went into developing discussion.

[34:20] and input as it was for the members that want to participate as well as the joint commission

[34:27] meeting that we had and a fairly large, I would say almost complicated, package that

[34:37] went along with that.

[34:39] So we're here now because of the threat and we want to do something, perhaps that will be

[34:47] one of the recommendations. And the three that Melissa discussed, which was do nothing,

[34:55] I'll just underscore that it's not, it's not when we say do nothing, one of them would

[35:00] be not to recommend not taking any action regarding this plan. The other one was to adopt

[35:07] this plan as it is written. And then the third option would be to take this concern that

[35:16] that we have and just simplify it greatly and blossom it to the whole city so that we all are on the same footing.

[35:24] So those are the things that we're going to discuss and then hopefully come out of this with a recommendation, one way or the other.

[35:32] So the way I'd like to begin this is start, I'll just go from right to left and take comments and start discussion on it and

[35:45] We can see where everybody initially stands on the proposal as it currently is sitting before us, so Commissioner Pinkham.

[35:56] Good evening.

[35:57] Out of the three options, the as is, the city wide, or the not adopts at this point, I would support the as is as the plan has currently been developed and put together.

[36:06] I know there's mention here about the thought that a city wide would be more equitable or

[36:13] help balance the load across the city, I understand that feeling and wanting to make

[36:20] it feel that way, but I think we'd actually create additional problems in that type

[36:23] of a format.

[36:25] From our last meeting, I've been taking the time in my afternoons and evenings when I'm

[36:30] driving through the city to see how many cars are parked in front of houses.

[36:35] And do they have spots in their driveways?

[36:37] And I would say 99% have spots in their driveways.

[36:41] So, on these days, where this type of event is taking place, there is room to put your car in the driveway.

[36:47] You're not even looking at, hey, you've got to put it on another block.

[36:50] Now, I know there's always exceptions to the rule.

[36:54] You've got a bunch of high school kids in your home, you have people visiting, other scenarios going on,

[37:00] where you may have additional vehicles at your house at that point in time.

[37:04] And for those scenarios, I think having adjacent blocks available is a lot more reasonable

[37:10] and actually that is a more equitable approach to people in this scenario.

[37:15] To me, that just makes a lot more sense.

[37:18] I know we talked about a red flag that it might just come up suddenly.

[37:25] It usually doesn't come up that suddenly.

[37:27] The National Weather Service is usually putting out 72 hours plus.

[37:32] They started an advisory level before they get to a red flag warning.

[37:35] So there's typically plenty of time and notification to our people to know.

[37:40] Now I know we also talked last time about if people have gone out of town and I think

[37:44] we discussed that those are the scenarios where when you prepare your house leaving for

[37:49] vacation, that's one of those checklist items.

[37:51] If you know you're going to be gone and there's a potential for a fire, make sure your vehicles

[37:56] are off the street or relocated somewhere else that's in the safe area.

[37:59] I think that's just something that has to become a part of our plan.

[38:02] I do think the communication is definitely something to be looked at.

[38:07] My understanding is that's a topic that's in the eating after action that the city consultants

[38:12] are looking at, the constant associates, they're going to review those, and that does have

[38:17] to be addressed a little more clearly.

[38:19] I think that's definitely a key there.

[38:23] But overall, I think the plan has written, has been, is very well aligned.

[38:28] It's very well outlined, so people would understand what to do.

[38:32] I think we can make it so we impact the least amount of residents if we adopt it as is.

[38:38] And that's my current stand, but I'd love to hear other people's points so we can have a discussion.

[38:44] Thank you.

[38:49] Okay, thank you, that was excellent.

[38:53] Commissioner Olson.

[38:56] Yeah, a lot of work has gone into this and I appreciate the work that's gone into it because it's really

[39:01] the big situation.

[39:05] I guess I'm leaning on the fact that there's a lot of answered questions.

[39:13] What's the penalty going to be?

[39:15] Well, I guess number one is the notification.

[39:17] How are we going to notify everybody that there's a rightful?

[39:21] I wouldn't even know there's a red flag, unless I was on this commission.

[39:25] And I'm told there's what, 15 a year on average.

[39:29] and I wouldn't even know that there is a red flag.

[39:32] So maybe I've got my head in the sand or whatever,

[39:35] but I don't know how we would be notified.

[39:38] And then what's the penalty going to be for having a,

[39:43] if somebody has their car on the street

[39:47] and it's not moved, and then are there going to be

[39:50] a lot of sheriff's spending their time removing the cars

[39:54] during these red flag times?

[39:56] and then there is a big fire, how's that all going to work?

[40:02] And I just, I go back to the fact that I, 15 seems like a big ask for the whole, for

[40:07] the community.

[40:08] It just seems like one of these things that are rights as residents are being taken away.

[40:16] And I know it's a very dangerous thing, but 15 a year just seems to be a big ask to me.

[40:23] So those would be, and then we could go to these other fires, is it the access that's been

[40:31] the problem or is it the water that's the problem, because you hear of in the palisades there

[40:37] wasn't enough water I eat in canyon and there's electrical problems there, was it the access

[40:41] of having cars in the street where the fire engines couldn't maneuver around them or is it some

[40:48] some of both. So I, I'm hesitant to vote for the plans that are written as they are

[40:56] right now.

[40:59] Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. We will, I'll, I'll, I'll say mine for last,

[41:08] I guess, but go ahead, Commissioner. Okay. Mark. So, you know, this required by the

[41:17] And I believe our firefighters have put their lives on the line for 365 days a year.

[41:25] And to ask for 15 days for Red Flag, it's not a big deal.

[41:29] Because as Arbor put it, he said, we sent users on the city website for all the citizens

[41:41] in Lakhinyada regarding the Red Flag.

[41:44] So here we eliminate that communication with the people.

[41:50] Now, for parking in the street, as Commissioner Clinton said,

[41:57] I drove yesterday on Saturday in the street which is narrow street

[42:02] to see how many people parked.

[42:04] How much driveway emptied because people don't want to park

[42:08] in the narrow driveway.

[42:11] So, I don't see a problem, you know, if we let the people not to park in the street,

[42:17] but in new driveway, and you know, work with your neighbor, with your next street, you

[42:23] know, ask him if this is okay to park in there.

[42:26] It's only 15 days a year.

[42:28] I don't think it's a big deal.

[42:32] It's my problem, you know.

[42:36] And Commissioner Applegate?

[42:39] Well, I believe that we should apply this to all residents of Locke and Yada.

[42:45] You all have to move your car.

[42:48] I think it's too confusing to say, okay, this blocks have to move on this day and park over there.

[42:57] I think it's too confusing for people.

[43:00] Also, if there's a big wind come up in the middle of the night,

[43:05] And you have to, and you want to, the cost of having somebody staff available all hours

[43:14] of the day and night to contact people that now it's going to be a red flag day.

[43:25] Personally, we'd consider moving all cars because I think it's a big safety issue.

[43:30] And I think it might even cost some resentment from my clients, my clients.

[43:36] Neighbors, if you're parking on their street, they don't like it, they think convenient.

[43:42] I know I live on a small call this second.

[43:45] And if one of our neighbors has a little party or they have a couple cleaning crews coming,

[43:52] made service or gardeners and they're parking in front of everybody's house,

[43:57] Some of my neighbors don't like it, and I know particularly one of our neighbors makes

[44:04] it a point to put something on people's windshields, and with a little note, not to park there

[44:11] again, and I would vote to have all cars removed.

[44:18] Okay. Great. Those are all great perspectives. So it's

[44:31] true, a lot of effort and time went

[44:33] into this plan. To me, on the face of it, it looks a little with all these different

[44:43] colors of crayons and a little convoluted in terms of the complication. I know we talked

[44:51] last time about our different backgrounds and regarding...

[45:02] Regarding what you've mentioned about a little bit of the resentment, so I applaud you for

[45:10] going around to the city and seeing the driveways, because I did the same thing on multiple

[45:17] days, and I found exactly what you discovered, which was there are driveways available for

[45:22] the most part. And I also did it at night to see how many cars were no kid in park on

[45:31] on the street and there are very, very few cars that park on the street overnight.

[45:36] And that's a good thing, separate from here, we've talked about the importance of that

[45:42] to reduce crime, hit crimes with a broken windows and all that, which is a separate issue.

[45:48] But the bottom line is when it comes towards safety and protecting ourselves, people do

[45:52] have driveways to park in their residents.

[45:56] So I found that to be very encouraging as I considered some of the discussion that we've had

[46:03] over the last couple months regarding this red flag. As far as identifying certain streets

[46:11] that are going to shoulder the burden for the entire community to be kept safe, I mean we're all

[46:18] vested in the safety of our community equally. We all will lose houses, it's not going to just go

[46:25] up one street or down another street, it's going to be the whole community.

[46:30] And I heard the chief at our joint commission say that, you know, the golden scenario would

[46:35] be all the cars off the street so they'd have access.

[46:38] To me, I'd be inclined to go with the blanket of all the cars off the street.

[46:45] From the background I have in safety, I know that the more complicated we make plans despite

[46:52] our best efforts, the more difficult it becomes to implement. And so my position would

[46:59] be to keep it simple, silly, and have this red flag honor that with the current communication

[47:07] channels that we have. And they can blossom that out and figure out how they want to do

[47:11] some better communication, but I have confidence as it currently stands that we would be well

[47:16] aware of the red flag threat for our community as well just knowing that you live in this community that that fire is an imminent threat.

[47:27] Regarding the the collateral issues that may present themselves when you have certain streets that are that are red flag and others that are not with the congestion of the cars that may want to park on other streets.

[47:45] I see that as problematic if we don't have a blanket and I see that it's not equitable

[47:51] For the for all of the residents to have the same buy-in and shouldering that responsibility

[47:58] For the good of the community and for the good of the town to get to their neighbors and their streets over

[48:04] as well

[48:05] What I did was

[48:08] other than just driving around I did talk to a number of a large number actually of residents in all different

[48:14] organizations from all different political persuasions and perspectives.

[48:21] And I would say that most everybody was supportive and invested in keeping our community safe

[48:28] and taking the best possible guidance from our first responders, our chief.

[48:35] And would be absolutely able to honor a red flag for 12 to 15 days depending on the circumstances

[48:43] chances to park all of the cars in their driveways.

[48:49] You know, I'll make a side comment here about

[48:52] if you start dividing streets, halves and have knots,

[48:58] already they're being hit by the fact that they're

[49:02] shouldering a burden for just their street and the other street

[49:06] over is not. Now we're going to have to add on top of that

[49:10] the fact that they're going to have ugly signs on their street too.

[49:14] It's all over the place, right?

[49:15] Yeah, I think that would affect the property values.

[49:17] It does affect the property values.

[49:19] I mean, that's my, that's what I believe it makes the street uglier.

[49:25] And in Lock and Yacht, it's invested in the minimal signage as well as we just heard

[49:29] a resident discuss the implication of cost associated with this.

[49:34] And I think we recall at our joint meeting, just for the signs alone, each sign was

[49:39] $500. $500 for that to make your street ugly, to make your street defaced, and you go

[49:48] by the way you get a shoulder of burden to, and we may think it's not a big deal because

[49:53] it's not my street, but that wears on people after a while, and it starts dividing people.

[50:01] And as well, it feels like somebody else has the responsibility to keep their, our communities

[50:09] be safe rather than a vested group of people that are aligned with all keeping our community

[50:16] safe together collectively, shouldering the burden equally.

[50:19] So, another thing I did because it's another valid concern about the teachers regarding

[50:28] the schools.

[50:29] I actually spoke with the school board, and we were assured that what plan that we came

[50:35] came up with, including the everything plan, which was keeping it simple, everybody's

[50:41] off the street during red flags, they would be able to accommodate that, all the schools.

[50:46] They said, hey, if that's what is necessary, they assured with the smile that the teachers

[50:53] would be able to be accommodated and the staff would be accommodated.

[50:57] Throw that in, I don't even know, I'm not on the school board, but I don't know if during

[51:02] In red flag days, we have a different school schedule.

[51:05] That's a separate discussion for someone else if the teachers would even be present.

[51:10] But that was accounted for, and I know that was an issue that was brought up both by one

[51:15] of our residents as well as, I think, Commissioner Pinkham.

[51:19] So I did address those as I deliberated in my mind about what might be the most equitable

[51:25] plan going forward.

[51:30] You know, I do have sympathy or empathy for those that are going to have some challenges,

[51:40] maybe with an extra car or something, but when we talk about things like rights being

[51:45] taken away, I get that, but our whole town could go away.

[51:50] And then we have a different set of circumstances that we're dealing with for a fairly small

[51:57] price that I see for 12 to 15 days a year to just make it simple off the street. Red flag,

[52:04] the communication element would also be mitigated if we had a full red flag for all the city,

[52:10] be it not signs, but you could have a red flag over city hall. You could have the red flag at

[52:16] Memorial Park. You go into any kind of campground and it says fire danger warning signs that are up.

[52:22] I mean, some of these things are literally like scout projects.

[52:27] They can be done very cost effectively and it would build upon the awareness that we

[52:34] all have in the shared interest in keeping our accounts safe.

[52:37] So my position, keep it simple, great plan, let's blossom it, let's make it equitable, everybody

[52:44] off the street during the red flag days into story.

[52:48] Solves some of the communication issues, solves the resentment, increases residential awareness, buy-in, and

[52:57] allows us to all have a vested interest in building our burden.

[53:01] I have a question.

[53:02] When we had to evacuate during the fires in El Tadina, it was like five in the morning.

[53:07] My phone starts ringing and I greet it, and it says evacuation, blah, blah, blah.

[53:12] So, you know, you throw some stuff in your go bag and we're loading up our car and I can see four of my neighbors because I live on a small street.

[53:23] I'll get in their cars, getting ready to evacuate.

[53:27] And I thought, this is a great system where the phone tells everybody in the city, hey, it's time to, there's an emergency.

[53:36] consider this, you have to move your car onto your driveway or drive it someplace else,

[53:43] the supermarket parking lot, something. Also, I'm not going to last my train, I thought

[53:50] there for a minute, but does the city have everybody's phone number where they can say tomorrow

[53:57] might be a red flag day, so you can sound like a pre warning because you've seen the news

[54:02] and you know what they're talking about, I know one of my neighbors doesn't watch the

[54:07] news at all because when he saw people packing up and he gets up super early to walk his

[54:14] dog, he was like, what's going on? And I told him, well, you know, our phones went off.

[54:21] Are you registered? And he said, I don't know. Is there a way of knowing true phones are registered

[54:26] that you can communicate with?

[54:28] Are you talking about the genesis system?

[54:30] Yes.

[54:31] Yeah, there is a system to get registered for that.

[54:34] But you have to have a phone in order to do that.

[54:37] So to clarify, there are multiple notification systems.

[54:40] I'm sorry. Can you speak louder please?

[54:41] There are notification systems that you're referring to that are very specific and have very specific criteria in terms of in actual emergency in terms of evacuation.

[54:51] The city is exploring other text communication options that residents will be able to sign up and get alerts such as that.

[54:57] But it's still in development so I couldn't speak anymore to there are options out there

[55:03] Similar to that

[55:05] You know, and I'd also mention this too. I mean it no matter how well you think your communication as there's always going to be someone

[55:13] That's left out or left behind and that's a responsibility of obviously themselves first to be informed

[55:19] But as well when you have something that's relatively simple with a sign or a flag over the park

[55:27] Even if they just drove by they would notice that perhaps whereas if you had just individual streets

[55:32] They may not even cross those streets and not even realize it's a red flag situation, right?

[55:36] So they may drive home and notice oh my gosh

[55:39] There's no cars on the street whatsoever. I wonder if something's different

[55:43] That might be a way to

[55:46] Have them blossom their own awareness and preparedness for this with the system that don't leave some houses though

[55:52] Sure, they don't see that at all. Yep

[55:57] a red flag and every answer of the city would have

[55:59] welcome to a look in the other.

[56:02] Yep.

[56:03] That would be a whole lot cheaper than thing.

[56:05] And I think, let me start again on the right.

[56:10] So I know you're over there with some comments.

[56:14] Please.

[56:16] Sure, I think we're getting to at least funneling in

[56:20] on agreement on a few things.

[56:22] I don't think anybody is in favor of not having a program.

[56:24] I think it sounds like we're all in favor of a program.

[56:27] It's just what iteration of that and how does that look?

[56:32] The question on how do you know about a red flag?

[56:35] That's one of the hardest ones to cross.

[56:38] I mean, if you're not paying attention to the news

[56:41] in an A format and don't see the notifications

[56:44] that start 72 hours early, and I think somebody

[56:47] mentioned that they're just not sure how to see those.

[56:50] Well, we have to have some interaction,

[56:53] or we just won't know, encouraging people to sign up with the City's City Alert LCF system with the county system so they can get those alerts if they don't because I know the county system, you can specifically address and sign up for the weather alerts as well as evacuation and other types of alerts so you can narrow those down, I think we have to do a huge public education campaign there to help spread that information.

[57:18] But very important point here for this particular program

[57:23] I can almost guarantee you that alert L.A. County will not be one of your vehicles to get the word out

[57:31] That is for evacuations. It is not

[57:35] They're they're not good the county office of emergency management. It's not going to use that system to alert the residents of

[57:42] Locking out a Flint Ridge that we're in a red flag

[57:45] weather conditions and

[57:47] correct I just want to add on to that statement in terms of that's what I was

[57:50] referencing that a lot of those are very specific in terms of it's an

[57:53] emergency you need to evacuate however the city is looking into other very

[57:57] similar options where we would be doing those type of notifications and that is

[58:01] in process of developing so it'd be very very similar and we would do a huge

[58:05] public outreach campaigns that people are aware of that but it would be structured

[58:09] similar and you'd see very similar but again it'd be more sign-up based public

[58:13] education from the city specifically.

[58:17] So as we look at, if I can keep going, the vehicle concerns.

[58:23] I still think the as is plan is better.

[58:27] I appreciate the interest of trying to do city wide.

[58:32] I just see that I think we actually, all those extra cars, where are you actually going

[58:37] to move them?

[58:38] And then how do you operate?

[58:40] You're still going to have daily life operating during red flag.

[58:44] You're still going to have those teachers, and that's great if the school district wants to accommodate them.

[58:48] But what about all the other transient workers that are coming through?

[58:51] Your deliveries, the cleaners at houses, gardeners, construction.

[58:56] They're still wanting to get projects done and move things along, and

[58:59] still are we going to terminate all those that work that happens every day, even if a red flag is going on.

[59:05] I think they should have the opportunity to park on one of those adjacent streets, so

[59:10] they can still go and service and provide what they need to do.

[59:13] I don't think that I think that citywide one overlooks a lot of those different components.

[59:18] So I think that's the concern.

[59:20] We don't have city halls not going to be staff 24-7.

[59:23] I don't think that's a concern.

[59:24] I know Commissioner Applegate said they'd have to be here.

[59:27] We know 72 hours ahead of time.

[59:29] They're not going to have to sit here and wait to tell us.

[59:31] If there's an actual emergency and the EOC is open, I would hope they'll be here and functioning.

[59:37] But that's the difference.

[59:40] That's after the emergency has actually happened.

[59:41] We're talking about the before it's actually taken place.

[59:45] As far as people not liking other people parking in front of their homes, that's where they

[59:50] get to help share part of the burden.

[59:53] That's where they get to help participate and be supportive and be equitable by saying, yes,

[59:58] I know my neighbors are inconvenient.

[1:00:00] There's a lot of unions right now because their extra cars don't fit there so they're going to be in front of my house. And instead of trying to park it, two cities away and uber back because there's no other option. Because honestly, what else are you going to do with those other vehicles? If you're having a red flag that's going to impact our entire city, it's obviously going to impact other cities, you're just going to relocate them into La Crescenta or Glendale or Pasadena. It doesn't seem super feasible.

[1:00:25] So I'm trying to be realistic in the approach here where we find a happy medium and we look at where do we do that?

[1:00:33] So I think adjacent streets that are not impacted my streets impacted, you know my street on the map

[1:00:39] I'm not there. No car is going to be on the street

[1:00:40] So we would have to find other ways other places to park

[1:00:44] And I'm not saying that so either way either one of these plans my my streets impacted

[1:00:49] But I think we find realistic ways so we can still allow people to move their vehicles other places

[1:00:54] And all this other work that's trying to still take place is still able to function.

[1:01:00] I think that's the key here is we're not trying to prioritize comfort over safety.

[1:01:07] So that's my word on that part.

[1:01:13] Thank you.

[1:01:14] Mr. Chair, I believe we have 5% to 10% from the population in Lagunaera Park in the street.

[1:01:26] How about we ask these people to ask for a permit from the city and pay fees and we

[1:01:36] get all the information from these people parking in the street and we put them in the

[1:01:41] data and when we need to have that flag there we can show them some information so they

[1:01:48] know about it.

[1:01:52] And for the trucks, the workers, the landscape. I see a lot of trucks coming in the station.

[1:02:02] They have a permit from the city of Pasadena so they can park them streets once they're working,

[1:02:07] so we can implement this too. Yeah, now I don't think it would probably impact trans-eanor workers

[1:02:12] like deliveries or landscape folks because they're only there for a short amount of time and they

[1:02:18] They know if something's coming, they're going to probably move quickly.

[1:02:21] That wouldn't need to be delineated in the plan though I don't think that's called out.

[1:02:25] Yeah, there could be some accommodation there.

[1:02:29] I agree.

[1:02:30] This is a residential thing, and you bring up a good point, Commissioner Kamar, if someone

[1:02:37] is going to be parked on the streets, then they have to, they could have a fairly easy

[1:02:41] system to immediately be identified with the phone or something.

[1:02:45] on that, even if it was a gardener, right, you could have it.

[1:02:48] This is the red, hey, this is a red flag, a street.

[1:02:51] So no one's parking here, someone's mowing the lawn.

[1:02:54] That's, I think, that's relatively easily navigated on that.

[1:03:03] The PR campaign, I agree, you know, I feel confident actually

[1:03:07] in our city to be able to blossom out the message.

[1:03:10] Yes, again, we'll underscore that it won't be everybody.

[1:03:13] that will always be reached but I think it's a lot easier to reach people when

[1:03:18] it's the whole city than it is when you have certain streets that they're

[1:03:23] even less likely to drive on. I would say that we are in agreement that a plan

[1:03:31] needs to move forward and I'm still of the position that it should be the whole

[1:03:37] community. I think that there is opportunities here to look at how you can

[1:03:45] institute some mitigations for it. Again, I think it's very, very few. In the

[1:03:51] onus, I think goes more on the resident than it does on the city to provide

[1:03:56] something for somebody when they have a home that's in a area that's in fire risk.

[1:04:03] and so I think that that's not a bad thing to get people on that footing.

[1:04:10] I think it's doable and I think they can score that corner of confidence in our residents and our neighbors to be able to do that, put on their big boys shoes or figure out a way to help be a part of the solution rather than just saying you can park in front of my street while you have to move your car.

[1:04:30] So that's my that's my thought on that did you let go again to Commissioner Olson there I you have a follow-up

[1:04:42] Anything else to add

[1:04:45] Either one of you can make a motion well at this point. I don't know that we have my my my motion would be

[1:04:53] To keep it simple make it the whole city

[1:04:59] We recommend to blossom an excellent PR campaign and for those red flag days for everybody.

[1:05:11] So we're looking at number two.

[1:05:14] Number two is, I would

[1:05:25] recommend number two, which is citywide, everybody buys in less

[1:05:31] defacing of the city with the signs, less cost, less infrastructure.

[1:05:35] here, blossom the public, the PR campaign, and help a neighbor.

[1:05:40] Do we have a second?

[1:05:42] Second.

[1:05:43] Okay, we have a second.

[1:05:45] Second.

[1:05:46] Okay.

[1:05:48] All in favor of option two, which is citywide.

[1:05:53] Aye.

[1:05:55] Aye.

[1:05:57] Aye.

[1:05:58] Aye.

[1:05:59] Okay.

[1:05:59] We have three of five, so the motion passes.

[1:06:02] As such, we will recommend option two to the city council for the citywide parking ban during red flag days.

[1:06:11] And they will surely come up with details on how that can best be implemented.

[1:06:17] Okay, motion passes there.

[1:06:27] Get back to my agenda.

[1:06:39] Comments from the commissioners.

[1:06:42] I'll start this time on the left.

[1:06:45] Commissioner Alpogate.

[1:06:47] No comments.

[1:06:49] Go ahead.

[1:06:50] They can have a job.

[1:06:51] Nice to meet you.

[1:06:54] Thank you.

[1:06:57] Commissioner Olson.

[1:06:59] Yeah.

[1:06:59] Back to the homeless champion ordinance.

[1:07:02] When can we get that on the agenda?

[1:07:05] And then the drones, too.

[1:07:06] We're going to do something about the drones and the safety of that.

[1:07:09] Correct.

[1:07:10] So I can give you a brief update about kind of bull.

[1:07:13] Can you speak up just a bit?

[1:07:14] I'm having a good one.

[1:07:15] Yeah, I can't hear you.

[1:07:16] So for the drone ordinance,

[1:07:18] We are estimated, or questions regarding drone enforcement.

[1:07:23] We will be bringing that to the next agenda with a report for you to review and discuss.

[1:07:30] In terms of the homelessness ordinance, I don't currently have any update staff is currently

[1:07:38] in the works on doing that, so next meeting I should be able to give you some sort of brief

[1:07:43] update but it will not be a staff report yet.

[1:07:46] Thank you.

[1:07:47] Does anyone know if the young, the woman they were speaking about over on the,

[1:07:53] was there, and was it crowned, as she was there all the time on the corner?

[1:08:00] Oh, the woman that was, that's, she's still there.

[1:08:02] Are you talking about by the UPS store?

[1:08:05] No, this is over by crowned, on the corner, outside.

[1:08:10] I'm not familiar with her.

[1:08:13] I am familiar with a person that I believe has a home, but chooses to sleep on the sidewalk

[1:08:20] by the UPS store.

[1:08:22] Is that across from the red roundtable?

[1:08:24] Is she an African American?

[1:08:27] No, not that it appeared to be.

[1:08:29] No, the woman I'm talking about is African American.

[1:08:33] What's the observation that you had?

[1:08:36] Well, I saw her dragging like not a sharpening part thing, but like a wagon type thing, and she was kind of wandering around, sitting there on the corner, and I drove by, and then the next day I saw her because I was just wondering.

[1:08:57] But I know who you're talking about in front of the UPS store. She has a daughter. I think I spoke to her daughter once.

[1:09:06] She says she does have a home but she chooses to be here.

[1:09:12] Okay,

[1:09:15] so that was a robust discussion.

[1:09:22] I'm sure the City Council will win and it's just a recommendation that we have made tonight and they will go forward with their perspective on it, so I want to thank everybody for that honest discussion.

[1:09:39] And this is how our government should work.

[1:09:42] It's not always perfect, and we don't always get exactly what we want.

[1:09:47] And there's compromises, but I feel like we did a good job on that.

[1:09:53] And then, to yours about the agenda on the homelessness,

[1:09:58] that I didn't, I wasn't clear on what how that resolved just now.

[1:10:02] What was the resolution to that?

[1:10:05] Is it going to go on the agenda?

[1:10:06] There are no current updates for staff to bring anything to the agenda as soon as we do we will bring one forward first you guys does that satisfy what you're

[1:10:15] Yeah, I was written here was that

[1:10:22] Our bill is going to provide an update on the approved homeless

[1:10:27] Camping ordinance and it will be a valid to the agenda for the next regular meeting

[1:10:33] so that was

[1:10:34] because that was on the minutes of June 23rd, 2025.

[1:10:41] And so we just like to have an idea

[1:10:45] when that might be forthcoming.

[1:10:48] Unfortunately, I do not have a date for you at this time.

[1:10:51] You know, Jeff, they brought it to the city council

[1:10:56] and they didn't agree on all this and this.

[1:11:01] So the postponing for some other meeting, I don't know if this happened or not, I was here

[1:11:08] at that meeting.

[1:11:09] Okay.

[1:11:09] Yeah, I wanted to talk in a word, but they didn't come to a vote.

[1:11:13] Because it's out here that everything's been taken care of, and that's what the minutes

[1:11:19] are.

[1:11:21] And there's an ordinance that will be added to the agenda for the next meeting.

[1:11:28] So we would like to just reaffirm that that one we would like that to be added

[1:11:32] Correct the ordinance has been a correct ordinance has been approved

[1:11:36] Okay, that was currently working internally on discussions and that we will be bringing forth in agenda

[1:11:42] I just don't know exactly what date that will be at this point because it's not ready

[1:11:45] Okay, and then I would like to also this is where we talked about adding things to the future agenda

[1:11:52] There's a gentleman that I brought it up at the previous meeting

[1:11:55] but he's got these very nice lights that are super inexpensive that he's willing to either make a donation or work with the city to have a donation.

[1:12:06] A program in place perhaps to purchase these lights and they're relatively inexpensive.

[1:12:10] I think I gave one a way to somebody, but it was a great idea.

[1:12:16] The observation was, what can we do as residents in our city to illuminate people that are walking on our streets at night?

[1:12:27] And I think it is definitely a concern that we see people without vests and they just don't have lights.

[1:12:31] So we thought maybe there could be a program where we could like the Wi-Fi camera program that we could add to the agenda to maybe discuss that.

[1:12:41] So, discuss an opportunity to work with the city to have walking lights provided with the current

[1:12:52] budget system that we have.

[1:12:54] So the current rebate program that we do have for, we have one for security camera.

[1:12:59] Individuals often purchase ones that do include motion sensor lights in that package.

[1:13:05] So that certainly is an option for residents.

[1:13:08] In terms of creating a new funding opportunity, we would need to do that during budget cycle.

[1:13:15] So at this time, it wouldn't be appropriate to bring forward an item, or

[1:13:18] could it be for budget time.

[1:13:21] So when that comes forward, I won't include that on the agenda as one of the potential options.

[1:13:25] Okay, and that individual actually was willing to make a donation.

[1:13:28] So I may, we'll hold off on that then, I guess at this point, I'll speak with him again further.

[1:13:35] but it's a super inexpensive and it wasn't a it wasn't a light for the motion

[1:13:39] detector it was actually something that goes like on your arm and shoe so it

[1:13:42] seemed like a good a good thing to hand out especially as our days are getting

[1:13:46] shorter. At the bicycle shops they so little yeah well you can put days around

[1:13:55] your arm and they flash on and off so you can really see somebody walking like

[1:14:01] this when you see the lights flash.

[1:14:05] So that was what he wanted to highlight is one of our residents.

[1:14:08] Anything else to add for agenda items for next time?

[1:14:13] Before we motion to adjourn?

[1:14:16] Oh, yeah, to give comments.

[1:14:17] OK, before we do that, go ahead.

[1:14:21] Not too many comments from me today.

[1:14:22] I believe you guys kind of touched on it.

[1:14:25] Next month, we do plan on bringing information

[1:14:28] regarding drone enforcement to you guys for your review other than that we did on the 16th have

[1:14:37] our community preparedness day we had lots of our we had part department law enforcement we had

[1:14:44] JPL join us for a service along with a lot of our utility districts we had insurance there

[1:14:50] CPA and it was a great turnout great event we've heard lots of great feedback so that was a great

[1:14:57] promotional, and this will be an annual event, so next.

[1:15:00] Here we have ought to look forward to, but that's all from Zach Cummings. Thank you. Thank you very much. We have a motion to adjourn. Okay, second, second. Okay, meetings adjourned.

[1:15:14] Yeah.

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