[0:00] this is this is pertaining to the 2019-20 budgets roll call please

[0:14] Schultz here trustee Oppenheim here trustee burn I mean I'm sorry trustee

[0:27] here trustee Marquardt here trustee takaoka here trustee Brown here

[0:34] president burn all right we have a quorum present maybe we want to speak to

[0:42] the budget our annual budget public hearing and this is the start of it

[0:56] nothing else I'll speak to the fact that Anna and Larry who's not here tonight

[1:02] did an outstanding job pulling it together and looks like we're in good

[1:10] shape coming out of the current fiscal year with a small surplus which is a

[1:17] good thing and going into next year with a balanced

[1:21] budget based on what I believe are very realistic and conservative revenue

[1:29] estimates and as always solid right on expenditure estimates just for just for

[1:41] public information the budget the proposed budget has been posted on the

[1:45] website The Villages website for over a month it's been presented in detail in

[1:51] each of the past two board meetings and of course the meeting is open tonight

[1:55] for anyone who wants to comment on what's been presented so far and those

[2:00] meetings are available on YouTube and they were so exciting that Netflix wants

[2:05] to put them on their broadcast service

[2:11] okay if there's no chemistry questions from the public the audience their

[2:21] motion to adjourn the public hearing so may

[2:30] trustee cook i trustee Marquardt by trustee shal i you brown i trusty

[2:37] Oppenheim by trustee takaoka hi president burn motion carries the

[2:44] hearings adjourned okay I'd like to call the board meeting to order

[2:49] roll call please trustee takaoka here i trusty Schultz here trustee Brown here

[3:00] trustee Marquardt your trustee cook here trustee Oppenheim here president burn

[3:29] okay if there's any citizen here it wishes to address the board on anything

[3:41] other than what's gonna be on committee at a whole you can address the board but

[3:46] a committee at a whole everybody that's here for you know I think the mall

[3:52] expansion you will be recognized obviously the community at all so

[3:59] anybody okay let's see proclamation National Public Safety to

[4:09] telecommunications week National Public Safety communications week April 14th

[4:29] through to 20th 2019 emergencies can occur at any time and that require

[4:36] police fire emergency medical services when an emergency occurs the prompt

[4:42] response to the police officers firefighters and paramedics is critical

[4:46] to the protection of life and preservation of property the safety of

[4:50] our police officers and firefighters is dependent upon the quality and the

[4:54] accuracy of information obtained from citizens who telephone the Vernon Hills

[4:59] Police Fire Communication Center Public Safety telecommunicators are the first

[5:05] and most critical can't take their citizens he have with emergency services

[5:10] Public Safety telecommunications are seeing a single vital link for our

[5:15] Police arson firefighters by monitoring their activities by radio providing them

[5:20] information and ensuring their safety Public Safety telecommunications for the

[5:26] villages of Vernon Hills Lincolnshire Libertyville and countryside Fire

[5:32] Protection District they have contributed substantially to the

[5:36] apprehension of criminals suppression of fires and treatment of patients each

[5:41] telecommute educator exhibited compassion

[5:44] understanding and professionalism during the performance of their job in the past

[5:49] year and now therefore be it resolved that village president Board of the

[5:54] Vernon Hills declares the week of April 14th through to 20th 2019 to be National

[6:01] Public Safety communication week in Vernon Hills in honor of the men and

[6:06] women whose diligence and professionalism keep our villages and

[6:11] citizens safe I'll take that and we will post it in the communication

[6:50] Proclamation our Arbor Day April 26 2019 if having recognize the economic

[7:02] aesthetic and environmental value of a thriving community forest brings to the

[7:07] its residents and visitors village of Vernon Hills he has and continues to be

[7:13] committed to reforestation of land within its corporate boundaries and to

[7:18] prune and prudent management of its existing forest resources the village of

[7:24] Verde Hills shall continue to enhance its reforestation and forestry

[7:29] management policies and practices and shall continue to dedicate financial

[7:34] resources over and above City USA requirements the Tree City USA flag

[7:40] shall be flown at the public public works building on April 26 2019 to honor

[7:50] those residents and volunteers we have participated in the program of a

[7:54] he's sponsored by the village I Roger burden president of the village Vernon

[8:00] Hills do hereby proclaim that the village of Vernon Hill show officially

[8:04] observe Arbor Day and Saturday May 11th 2019 encourages citizens to participate

[8:11] in appropriate activity activities and take advantage of the benefits of the

[8:15] parks and other natural areas in our communities I really have nothing else

[8:28] to add this year's Arbor Day celebration we we don't schedule it the same day as

[8:33] actually Arbor Day the weather isn't as conducive we'll continue to work with

[8:37] the Boy Scouts and on that day we'll be out at the Arbor theater planting some

[8:41] trees and beautifying the village well in light of Arbor Day how many more you

[8:51] know trees do we have to replace so when the ash borer came to town we had 3,600

[9:01] ash trees just in our parkways alone and we've went through and we've addressed

[9:07] 3100 of them we still continue to treat some of the other ones the the green ash

[9:14] didn't survive quite as well as the white ash but for some critical

[9:19] locations such as on the golf course we have been injecting and will continue to

[9:24] inject them ultimately it's a band-aid we're not sure they're going to make it

[9:30] but it's important that we try and what Dave said I've attended a couple of the

[9:40] events on a on our designated Arbor Day and it's a very enjoyable day out there

[9:48] we have quite the array of unique specimens of wide variety of specimens

[9:55] of trees and plants and most of them are marked and you can go for a self-guided

[10:02] tour but you can also participate with Boy Scouts

[10:06] as they dig a few holes and plant a few trees and learn a little bit about

[10:13] forestry and and how to just care for trees and plants so I'd invite everybody

[10:22] to come out that morning was it May 11th at 9 a.m. 10 a.m. 9 a.m. yeah you know

[10:32] just for this process and and the replacing the ash trees was a it started

[10:38] three years ago I think longer I think almost at least seven years ago so

[10:45] that's when we started now is time flies he budgeted what 1.3 mil I think I think

[10:52] our original anticipated budget was about 1.8 million I think we brought it

[10:57] in right around 1.3 million we we've learned it includes this year's and that

[11:05] includes issues we learned a lot we learned that we need diverse forestry

[11:11] and so we plant much different trees I think our forest urban forest is much

[11:16] better off now than it was back in the day with only having three or four

[11:20] species that basically developers installed back in the day okay all right

[11:26] next is practitioner officer Jan Perret retirement chief you want to read this

[11:32] or do you want me to read whatever you prefer sir

[11:37] you're the chief

[11:47] John can't be here because he's on duty right Thank You mr. mayor it's my

[11:57] pleasure to read this proclamation in recognition of the service of officer

[12:02] John peeper at Verna Hills Police Department Verna Hills Illinois whereas

[12:07] John P Perret began employment with the village of Vernon Hills Police

[12:11] Department as a police officer on August 21 1990 and has served the village in

[12:17] that capacity for over 28 years and whereas John brought with him over four

[12:23] years of police experience from the village of lemon Hurst making his total

[12:27] contribution of law enforcement 32 years and whereas John served as the village

[12:32] of Vernon Hills Police Department's first k-9 officer from 1991 to 1997

[12:38] during which he partnered with two separate police canines Ritchie and

[12:43] Marko and whereas John served as a field training officer from 2000 where he

[12:49] helped shape form and train the core of Vernon Hills police officers still

[12:54] working today and whereas John served as an officer in

[12:58] charge for numerous patrol shifts and investigations from 1999 during which he

[13:04] assisted with the supervisory duties of field operations throughout the

[13:08] department and whereas John served as a school the school resource officers for

[13:13] Hawthorn school district 73 from 2015 to 2019 during which time he coordinated

[13:20] police services and resources for eight different schools and whereas John

[13:25] accumulated numerous commendations and awards from both the department and

[13:29] outside agencies throughout his tenure Dear John was awarded three life-saving

[13:35] medals and was recognized by the alliance against intoxicated motorists

[13:40] aim each year from 1999 to 2006 for his efforts to keep impaired drivers off the

[13:46] streets of Vernon Hills and whereas John has been a great asset to the Vernon

[13:51] Hills Police Department throughout his career and has served with

[13:54] professionalism and distinction the resident subvert the residents of the

[13:58] village of Vernon Hills have been greatly rewarded by

[14:01] John service to this community as a police officer during the past 28 years

[14:05] and now therefore it be it proclaimed that the president and the board of

[14:10] trustees of the village of Vernon Hills on behalf of the entire Vernon Hills

[14:14] Community College of lake extended John people read their gratitude and things

[14:19] for his many years of service to the community and the law enforcement

[14:23] profession dated this third day of April 20 1932 see him go but he continues to

[14:39] serve in public service so well not too far away all right I'm just a quick

[14:47] thing on that I think I mentioned it before I talked about he was very well

[14:52] respected by the students at at Hawthorne and on his last day there was

[14:58] it was amazing to watch the students they they did a final I'll call for him

[15:04] to come the office and had all of the students come out into the hallways and

[15:08] he had to walk the whole hallway of the school to again thunderous ovation so he

[15:14] hid the work he did there or the last four years was was outstanding was was

[15:22] Jandy the k-9 officers signed to the which which dog did died yes his first

[15:31] one Ritchie Richard yeah there was there was a car accident and I don't know

[15:40] everyone remember all effects were you

[15:49] yeah I think we actually carried life insurance on to Doug because they're not

[15:57] cheap the you know train and purchase absolutely yeah okay all right

[16:08] treasurer

[16:12] your next report just want to draw your attention to the cash and investment

[16:27] balance for all funds is 34 sorry 35 point six million which is an

[16:33] increase of 3.1 million from the beginning of the fiscal year the 3.1

[16:39] million difference is going to be kind of chewed up a little bit because we're

[16:43] going to pay the debt service payments that I do

[16:46] actually we're due on March 30th and then we are doing the early bond call

[16:53] for the 2005 geo bonds so those two payments will total about 1.8 million

[17:02] dollars to bring down the 3 point 1 million balance right now additionally I

[17:08] like to draw your attention to sales tax is doing very well the sales tax that's

[17:14] received a note in February is for actually November retail activity and it

[17:20] was one of the best monthly results in village history that's not a December or

[17:25] June sales month so that's promising how much was yes thank you was it one

[17:42] point three four million yeah what that was for a period of what 90 days was it

[17:51] just for damn it takes 90 days to get

[18:01] the state could be canis yeah since they got a terminal case of the shorts yeah

[18:14] okay I'm just another item is a couple revenue sources besides our regular

[18:21] sales tax our homeroom sales tax is about 11.5 percent of a projection in

[18:26] tax is about 7.9 percent about projection Community Development fees

[18:31] our 10.1 percent above projection right now and I'll stay away from the below

[18:37] projections and the food and beverage tax is 21 point four percent above

[18:43] projection and that's just with five months of receipts so how much in sales

[18:46] tax do we get the last in the last year sales tax from retail and all that sorry

[18:56] more than that because there's you know some rebates they're probably closer to

[19:01] 14 million the actual sales tax here is

[19:11] 8 million 852 no for the year No

[19:30] right that's okay so that with the home okay with the home rule 2x how much what

[19:39] is that okay anything else you include in CDW is the actual pre rebate basis so

[19:59] yes we just put that in the packet for requirement kind of wasn't good to

[20:20] update you okay works director Brown Dan village engineer

[20:30] thank you very much wanted to provide an update on Lake Charles and the study

[20:36] that we've done recently it's probably appropriate now that we're talking about

[20:41] Arbor Day to have this type of discussion I want to also put a plug in

[20:45] for John Petrillo he started a new website for us with gold green Vernon

[20:51] Hills and so it'll have a lot of links in terms of different environmental

[20:56] things that are happening within Vernon Hills but more importantly for today I

[21:01] wanted to provide an update about Lake Charles Lake Charles has been a

[21:05] discussion with the board and staff for a period of time so we thought it was

[21:10] important to do a study Burke engineering who also did the

[21:14] Foxconn study for the county has completed their study they gave us a

[21:20] draft they will be here before the board with a more formal study results but I

[21:26] wanted to give you a couple of updates in terms of specifics so really what

[21:32] we're finding is Lake Charles has a number of concerns

[21:38] it's a suburban environment there's a lot of goose population that adds

[21:43] nutrients to to the lake it's got a 3,600 acre tributary area to it and then

[21:51] what are our what are our concerns you know it does have a lot of algae blooms

[21:57] and aquatics that are growing one of the largest items is really the

[22:01] sedimentation of the lake if you look at the north end of the lake there's a

[22:04] large Delta forming and so that's something we want to address in terms of

[22:09] the study we've shared it with the Park District as the Park District maintains

[22:13] some of the lake systems within the village also so we invited them I worked

[22:18] with Kevin Beauregard and grace landing HOA gave them an advanced copy because

[22:24] they have some specific interests in Lake Charles also the irrigation system

[22:29] for Lake Charles for Craig's Parkway in Huntington there's an intake and so it's

[22:37] right in that location where sediment is occurring so essentially the board's

[22:43] about to approve the budget for this year we have some money for a number of

[22:48] different items we want to do something this year I have not asked for money

[22:54] because the study just came out so what I'm looking to do is to change some of

[22:59] the items Harvey Lake we were going to start with

[23:02] some of the improvements in Harvey Lake along the shoreline I suspect everyone

[23:08] in this room feels that addressing Lake Charles is a high priority and so we're

[23:13] not asking for a budget change there's thirty thousand dollars for that line

[23:17] item what we're what I'm asking is for support from the board to move forward

[23:23] and do some things for this coming budget year specifically what the study

[23:27] looked at is one of the largest issues that we're faced with is really the

[23:31] upstream sedimentation that's heading into the lake what does that mean that

[23:35] means that we went upstream and we looked all the way into downtown

[23:40] Mundelein and there's a number of eroding banks that are causing the

[23:45] sediment to make it into Lake Charles the cost to deal with Lake

[23:51] Charles into dredge it would be eleven point three million dollars

[23:55] no one has eleven point three million dollars to do that if we dredged it we

[24:00] still have the sediment loads coming into the lake so we need to first take

[24:04] care of the input into the lake so what we're looking to do is a couple of

[24:08] things we're gonna reach out to everyone our partners our partners being

[24:13] Mundelein Mundelein Park District County Board l dot Lakes Management

[24:21] desplaines River watershed group because we need the banks upstream to be

[24:26] stabilized to protect the lake how do you pay for that it's about ten million

[24:31] dollars to take care of all of that amongst a number of different entities

[24:35] so we put grant monies we put grants together and we work in partnership to

[24:41] try to solve that part of it short term what Vernon Hills can address and

[24:45] improve Lake Charles for this budget year is something very simple for thirty

[24:50] thousand dollars we're looking to put in an aeration system basically it's just a

[24:55] small something smaller than this in front of us it's really a cabinet that

[25:02] has compressed air goes through a 5/8 inch tubes eight different locations or

[25:07] so through the lake and we pump air out into Lake Charles have a couple of small

[25:12] little bubbler discs at the bottom improves the dissolved oxygen for the

[25:17] lake and we can get that done for about $30,000 one of the problems with the

[25:24] algae is you have the warm climate on the surface colder below and so what

[25:31] this does is doesn't allow for some time during July or August where it flips and

[25:37] all the cold moves to the surface it'll have more consistent water conditions so

[25:45] we'd like to move forward with that and then something else that my staff is

[25:49] looking to do is shift some of our labor we understand between Huntington and

[25:54] Gregg's Parkway there's some banks that we need to look at we'd like to remove

[25:59] the buckthorn and then plant some grass along the west side while we still

[26:04] protect some of the tree there so those are two things that we'd

[26:08] like to implement this year and try to improve Lake Charles and so just wanted

[26:13] to provide that report will have a larger report once Burke finishes their

[26:17] study and we expect there will be before the board within 30 days so that's all I

[26:23] have for us tonight so I wanted to thank you for spending all that time and

[26:30] effort on this I know there are a lot of people in the community that we're

[26:33] really that are can and continue to be very concerned about that so I thank you

[26:37] for that actually I put my light on to speak to that but I also had a question

[26:42] for Ann I don't know if anyone else has a question fooor go ahead I'm good

[26:46] because that isn't for the whole year

[26:51] well yeah so hopefully not yes we got that we got to go till the end of April

[27:07] right and the projection is over 13 million dollars sales tax the regular

[27:24] sales tax the projection is 11 million 30,000 and then home roll is projected

[27:33] at 2 million 136,000 ok ok I just wanted to clarify for those because there's a

[27:45] lot of people in the room yeah so I still have a question yes so I don't

[27:50] know if you're able to get us in this information but relevant to the future

[27:53] discussion I don't know if it's possible to break down what amount comes from

[27:59] mall vendors I know there's certain confidentiality aspects in play but if

[28:03] it's possible to get those numbers so the community would know how how

[28:08] significant well when we get to it it's probably gonna be I wasn't sure if that

[28:15] was where the discussion just give a pre there's gonna be mention of how much

[28:21] money goes the district 73 from the shopping mall every year

[28:27] hey so you want to take a guess what we say it it's it's Steve how much you

[28:39] could say it three billion a year the district yep

[28:45] so three million a year I just want to make sure that we'll get that we'll get

[28:49] the total numbers is that that'll be part of to preview it thank you okay

[28:56] what else well I just I just want you to reiterate one more time to dredge Lake

[29:06] Charles is 11 million flood I don't think anybody is thinking about dredging

[29:14] it unless there's a magnificent benefactor out there so we're gonna need

[29:20] to work or as best we can within reasonable dollar constraints but 11

[29:26] million it's just way out of sight for this organization to even anticipate

[29:33] doing but the good news is we have a well we put in how long 12 14 years yeah

[29:42] and that well provides water to do what in gravely it provides for the golf

[29:48] course and then there's an irrigation system that grace landing maintains in

[29:54] terms of poland water out of out of the lake also so the well helps replenish

[30:00] the water level of Lake Charles right it supports out everyone right and

[30:06] there's no charge to anybody for water it lives in Craig's land take correct

[30:13] thank you I know so good

[30:24] oh yeah you got to check the Lake County click click Jawa click jalwa good

[30:35] clarification but it could be worse as far as the okay so we'll bring will

[30:48] bring Burt back in about 30 days and then I I do have the next item if we

[30:54] wanted to move to the next one so while really just an update there is an

[30:58] ordinance in on the Omnibus agenda its ordinance 2019 - Oh 43 it's for

[31:06] Stenstrom for the fuel tank improvements a number of people in our in our

[31:13] audience our friends at Hawthorn school district 73 Vernon Hills High School

[31:19] Memorial Library countryside Fire District Vernon Hills Park District in

[31:25] one other entity we all we supply fuel for these different entities it's a

[31:31] really good relationship unfortunately right now are we we received water not

[31:37] into the fuel but into the liner tank and so we had to shut down our

[31:42] operations we're working on it very fast trying to solve it this contract is has

[31:51] been executed we talked to hold the board ahead of time and they're moving

[31:55] forward they've ordered the parts it takes two to three weeks to get the

[32:00] parts and then they will do the construction essentially they're gonna

[32:04] be digging about for up all the concrete four and a half feet deep they're gonna

[32:08] replace the manholes they're going to take care of the diesel and the unleaded

[32:13] we had a failure of some flanges that we're 1996 vintage they need help

[32:19] so my apologies to everyone who I serve in terms of providing fuel we're going

[32:24] to be down in about 30 days we're gonna get it done as quick as we can so I just

[32:28] wanted to update the board and everyone else on that we have communicated to our

[32:32] users we're gonna get it done as quick as one can but just want

[32:38] advised ordinance 2019 - old 43's on the consent agenda and I recommend approval

[32:44] of that ten thousand for unleaded five thousand for diesel well as the market

[33:02] fluctuates its a plus or minus depending on what the

[33:07] Opus standard is so what that equates to is we're able to provide fuel to our

[33:13] users for about a dollar three less than what you would buy it across the street

[33:23] that number reflects unleaded I'm not sure all our friends are paying about a

[33:30] buck and a half more a gallon at the Mobil station right now just because

[33:35] yeah we can't supply it and gas is now over three bucks a gallon yeah yes sir

[33:40] and one of the things I've reached out to gram enterprises and also working

[33:45] with Ernie's and Ernie Schell trying to find out if there's a solution that we

[33:50] can have some of the taxes abated because the local government state and

[33:58] Fed they wouldn't have to pay it if they went through us so I'm asking those

[34:01] questions hopefully I can help them out

[34:12] yes the Commissioner does the building commissioner oh yeah building

[34:17] commissioner Aikens and Home Depot outdoor garden Thank You mr. mayor I

[34:22] just wanted to point out for the board that this that the resolution approving

[34:26] their outdoor merchandise displaying sales

[34:28] permit is on the Omnibus agenda what they're proposing is what they've done

[34:32] in past years there to be a display area that's approximately 96 feet wide by 239

[34:38] feet long that would be located generally in front of the garden center

[34:42] they would display live goods their display area would be surrounded by a

[34:47] white picket fence and would remain in place from April 4

[34:51] to September 1st of this year no changes from what they've done in previous years

[34:56] I just wanted to point that out to the board that resolution is is anybody here

[34:59] from Home Depot would they like to give themselves a plug come on you if they

[35:07] come to the presentation altered let's go you guys are young you need this

[35:11] experience who's this guy

[35:30] do you have a name good and how about your partner what do you do all right

[35:54] all right the golf course needs a bartender though I and somebody to work

[36:00] the counter their moral support when are you starting when's the first yeah

[36:12] what's the first date so that's a bit presumptive every single year and I

[36:25] think it's very beneficial to the city and obviously I've worked around April

[36:31] for 11 years they're not at that store for 3 all right first night the already

[36:51] we already banned the sale of fauna so I thought we did be in dears under your

[37:01] thank you like a car we had I'm Jeff home last year we had the first annual

[37:29] Ernie's truck show and it was a great success mother nature cooperated this

[37:34] year we're going to move it up a couple weeks and it's going to be July 11th and

[37:37] last year we had the first year was about a hundred trucks and we raised

[37:42] about 1500 hours which went to the Jared Allen place for wounded warriors this

[37:46] year I think we're gonna do folds of Honor which is a charitable organization

[37:50] where they give scholarships to children who've lost or parents who've served so

[37:56] okay we're gonna actually be building a home for those guys like we did st. Jude

[38:00] a couple years ago so we try to pick a different foundation for each year so we

[38:03] kind of I can was the general contractor at the st. Jude oh that is correct what

[38:11] or they actually went to st. Jude two three hundred and twenty-five thousand

[38:15] dollars went to st. Jude and then last year we did one in Long Grove I can also

[38:20] did it and that was for the Jared L and homes for wounded warriors we haven't

[38:23] sold that but probably donate about $250,000 and we're in the process now

[38:28] starting another one which will go to the folds of Honor charitable and

[38:32] earnings has always been good enough they've been longtime friends and so

[38:35] last year we started the truck show I think they're gonna maybe work with the

[38:39] village in some capacity with the car show I think we're working through some

[38:43] of those details to self but this was just their own event that was on

[38:47] premises and it was a lot of fun so we're gonna do it again this year

[38:49] as long as it's okay with you guys

[38:57] it'll be the exact same venue place I mean we did have food we don't charge

[39:02] anything for it last year of course we'll send you all invitations as it

[39:13] gets closer to approve items a through P

[39:31] any comments or questions trustee Brown aye trustee Schulz all right

[39:44] trustee Marquardt I know a new business

[40:11] and YouTube yes tomorrow well tomorrow yeah tomorrow is the last post 1247

[40:19] American Legion bingo at the golf course right down the hill here everybody's

[40:25] invited do you know anything we asked is there

[40:27] to bring money so this will be the last one for this year and we won't start up

[40:33] again until next fall probably October if everything's still the same okay I'd

[40:42] like that a PSA along the lines of Trustees Schultz's PSAs there have there

[40:48] been a number of terrible deaths lately on the highways so including just last

[40:56] week two of our state troopers in a two day period and and the latest one was

[41:04] six days six years almost to the day of when

[41:09] our state trooper Sauter was was killed so I just want to remind everyone of

[41:17] Scots law to pull over slow down and pull up yeah and even okay

[41:38] come before the board I'm gonna you you know just say yesterday was Election Day

[41:45] and quite frankly you know there was different races that in town with school

[41:53] boards and park boards and high school boards and elementary school boards and

[41:58] obviously the village board and I'd like to congratulate everybody that

[42:04] participated whether you won or lost and it was you know it was a I think a

[42:10] positive cleanly run campaign by everybody I'm not sure there's something

[42:15] I'm missing but overall I'd say you know it wasn't unlike a bloodbath you know of

[42:22] false accusations and everything it was it wasn't bad anybody concur or no no

[42:33] well that's good right the only bad thing is nine point nine

[42:37] seven percent turnout yeah that's that's sad unfortunately it happens every every

[42:48] two years would that not maybe not next year it's historically yeah and 11

[42:59] percent for this this particular municipal and school district elections

[43:05] and Memorial I mean library election so anyway um thank you all the people came

[43:11] out and vote yeah I know you can still complain but be nice have you voted and

[43:18] then you complain all right what else their motion to

[43:26] adjourn to the board meeting going to committee at all with the we have where

[43:32] we going I got a question I got I forgot to mention something here

[43:39] a lot of my neighbors are wondering what's what's the situation with garbage

[43:44] pickup anyone out there unless it's just my neighborhood I mean they haven't

[43:51] worked up right no pick up what days were missed no I was just all of Gregg's

[44:04] landing it's just your house your next-door neighbor so no we could go

[44:29] Friday they missed NCT number four not because I had a long

[44:35] conversation with one of the people that at not so advanced disposal and and

[44:43] they're there we need to maybe revisit when is their contract up yeah I blew at

[44:53] the end of 2020 well because I I'm concerned about the fact that when

[44:57] you've got a monopoly some of their customer service could be a little

[45:03] better I'm still I'm still waiting well I'm still waiting for a callback as to

[45:08] why they missed it that Friday and that was on the 22nd of March all right so

[45:14] NCT for what's which we are fielding Muirfield Village John Petrillo you're

[45:21] the point man right yes sir I was talking to Liz she said she had

[45:26] received no complaints but I will follow up directly with them and I'll provide a

[45:29] response to the borders to Muirfield Village and NCT for the NCT

[45:34] one we've got settled because I had a meeting with gentlemen from there mr.

[45:40] Diaz who used to be a route driver so he's very good and he followed up on it

[45:45] because we had had a meeting with him before with about a year so ago when we

[45:51] had a similar problem so he took care of the NCT for once so that that's been

[45:56] taken care of if you want to bring a representative in well put it and then

[46:03] everybody can gather again when one does contract well yeah let's bring I'd still

[46:23] bring them in and let's hear let him hear everybody's great yeah yeah we do

[46:28] we do have to we do have to review it that you also have to remember that it's

[46:32] not as easy as flipping off a light switch turning on and turning on the

[46:36] other there was months of transitional issues shall we say between the two well

[46:45] they don't pick up the garbage it gets kind of right okay there's a motion to

[46:55] adjourn the board meeting after the committee the whole hearing and

[46:59] everything we got to go to closed session to discuss personnel all right

[47:09] roll call trustee Mark Bert aye trustee cook aye aye Brown aye

[47:20] trustee schultz i president i motion carries

[47:26] like to call the Committee of the Whole meeting to order the first item is

[47:30] approval of the community to hold meeting minutes of March 19th 2019

[47:38] motion motion is any comments questions deletions Corrections

[47:45] hey buddy okay roll call trustee cook aye

[47:51] trustee Marquart hi trustee schultz hi trustee Oppenheim by trustee tuck oka

[47:57] aye trustee Brown aye president Byrne i

[48:01] motion carries okay next is the request from Vernon

[48:07] Hills High School for approval of the site and landscape revisions to allow

[48:10] construction three additions at 145 North Lake View Parkway Building

[48:17] Commissioner Thank You mr. mayor I can give you a brief summary of what the

[48:22] request is tonight Vernon Hills High School is requesting approval for three

[48:30] additions that they'll be doing to their facility

[48:33] the first addition excuse me shown here there's the three additions there's one

[48:39] on the east side of the building that's indicated is a there'll be another

[48:42] addition in the courtyard that's indicated as area B and finally on the

[48:47] west side of the building is a gymnasium addition that's indicated as area C the

[48:54] renderings in front of you here show the east side addition there's a three-story

[48:59] portion that includes classrooms and then the one-story portion you see there

[49:04] is for a stem cell lab in the upper left-hand corner of this picture you'll

[49:09] see the addition in the courtyard this will serve the cafeteria staff lounge

[49:15] and similar uses such as that the other two drawings show renderings of the

[49:21] gymnasium that'll be added on to the west side of

[49:26] the building so for tonight Vernon Hills High School already has their special

[49:32] use in place so the board is just being requested to consider again the site

[49:37] plan changes in the landscape changes as well and if the Board believes that

[49:43] tonight's request is appropriate than a motion directing staff to prepare an

[49:47] ordinance approving the site plan changes and landscape changes is

[49:51] recommended subject to the conditions that are outlined in your packet and the

[49:56] entourage from Vernon High School is here to answer any

[49:59] questions that you may have

[50:04] just to clarify in addition to those three areas there's also a mechanical

[50:09] room expansion that I see on the plans that correct yes that's correct

[50:17] [Music]

[50:28] motion to approve subject to the five conditions listed in her if I'm a motion

[50:35] directing staff to prepare an ordinance what he said why if the seize this

[50:41] opportunity there anyway a high school can help in Elementary School District

[50:46] since you got such a large surplus is that it was there no yeah it's nice not

[50:57] to go to referendum you're gonna spend how much 30 million yeah

[51:15] trustee Brown aye trustee Schultz all right trustee Mark

[51:20] Burt all right trustee Takaoka aye trustee cook aye president burn no no

[51:36] your presentation all tonight now I'm using sitting where you're at during our

[51:42] board meetings so forgive me my name is dr. Prentiss Lee and I'm the

[51:46] superintendent at district 128 and we also have Jan Gilliam here a board

[51:50] president architects our juror our assistant superintendent for finance Dan

[51:54] Stanley I just want to tell you again how much we appreciate the support of

[51:58] the village and working with district 128 Vernon Hills High School through

[52:03] every level of your organization in this village we have a wonderful working

[52:07] relationship and you can see the result of that relationship and

[52:11] our kids succeed at Vernon Hills High School in Libertyville high school as

[52:15] well you know excellence doesn't happen on its own and it happens with

[52:20] partnerships and we just want to tell you how much we value the partnerships

[52:24] that we have with the village here and as always we want to build on those

[52:28] excellent working relationship so thank you very much okay you don't have to

[52:58] stay do you want to stay Debbie special free up free up some seats all

[53:09] right next is the melania fee report Thank You mr. mayor really quick just to

[53:17] remind the board this was a study that was approved as part of the fiscal year

[53:22] 1819 budget we contracted with melania Fein associates to prepare a market

[53:30] strategy in redevelopment study for three particular areas the first one is

[53:34] Hawthorn mall the second one is the remaining vacant lots in the shops of

[53:39] Gregg's landing and then thirdly the darling farm so for tonight John Melania

[53:46] fee is here to review with you the first draft of the study that he's prepared

[53:51] he will then receive comments from the village board include that into what

[53:57] will ultimately be a final draft that would be posted on the village website

[54:01] for all to review so with that I'll throw it over to John who will review

[54:05] the results of his study for me before you start because you've got a lot of

[54:10] folks behind you I don't you need to really stay close to

[54:15] the mic or do we have you do we have it now a handheld microphone

[54:22] is one available well you could come over here and this I'd like to see the

[54:29] presentation so yeah to refer to but certainly okay yeah everybody could see

[54:36] the screen right thank you Bob John Melania fee president Melania Fein

[54:47] associate so we've been a consultant to the village since the early 90s and

[54:51] followed your retail base for many years and we were asked to prepare a

[54:58] comprehensive market study and store strategy analysis for Hawthorn mall the

[55:05] sites up by Gregg's Parkway as well as the sure and evaluate the president

[55:14] future retail trends thank you and really to determine the personal

[55:22] consumption expenditures and how they relate to the mall so anyway I've been

[55:55] working in retailing since 1985 we've been involved with Mall of America the

[56:00] largest retail and entertainment complex in the world currently involved with

[56:04] Northbrook Court in Northbrook Illinois the Motorola campus out in Schaumburg

[56:10] Easton Towne Center in Columbus Ohio so we do a lot of work with malls and

[56:15] retailers and so we were charged with preparing a community-wide retail market

[56:20] study and store strategy and analysis for the village and looked at personal

[56:24] consumption expenditures and we really wanted to identify the types of end

[56:28] users that would best meet market demand in the village of Vernon Hills

[56:33] we prepared a development strategy for thorn Center as well as the site's up by

[56:38] Gregg's Parkway and the darling farm we also looked at stores that are vacant or

[56:44] soon-to-be vacant in the village and what stores could potentially replace

[56:50] those and we formulate an implementation plan for that you know it's uh if you

[56:56] read the newspaper all the the headlines are about the retail apocalypse and how

[57:02] the retail Armageddon and it's you know there's a lot of headlines out there

[57:06] certainly there's been changes in retailing we had about eight thousand

[57:10] store closings in 2017 a lot of these stores were weak everyone's been waiting

[57:16] for Sears to you know for their demise and there was about 10,000 store

[57:22] closings forecast in 2018 so all these retailers have slashed their growth

[57:27] plans ecommerce is becoming so much more prevalent and represented about 513

[57:33] billion dollars in the United States in 2018 we've got an oversaturated retail

[57:38] market about 23 square feet per capita if you include all the little downtown

[57:43] areas it's about 48 square feet we've you know we've really got a changing

[57:48] consumer with Millennials they're avoiding home ownership marriage car

[57:54] ownership I mean so and you're the greatest consumers when they have

[57:57] children and they're delaying all those purchases and that's having an impact on

[58:02] retailing in 2009 we conducted a similar evaluation for the village of Vernon

[58:10] Hills and we identified several retailers that we thought there was a

[58:14] market for that would meet market demand and wheeling and they've ultimately

[58:18] located here and I have a short list I mean from Aldi to Dick's that Dave and

[58:23] Buster's home goods the movie theaters Lowe's even Menards

[58:28] we talked about relocating them way back when Maggiano's the pga superstore REI

[58:34] so you know Whole Foods and Steinhafels so our batting average was pretty good I

[58:39] mean if you looked at how much sales tax revenue those are generating now and

[58:43] their overall retail sales is pretty significant so you look at all these

[58:48] store closings retail bankruptcies around the country

[58:51] it's really uh you know it this is not germane to Vernon Hills this is a

[58:57] national trend that's going on and so obviously we had Toys R Us and

[59:02] with Carson's part of the bond tine companies and Sears as I said everyone

[59:07] was waiting for Sears to start closing stores and allow the mall owners have

[59:12] become prepared to do that so you look at all these bankruptcies and we had

[59:18] several of those stores in Vernon Hills we've got rising vacancies I mean we

[59:25] worked on Mall of America that's got 4.2 million square feet so if they have like

[59:30] 5% vacancy or 10% vacancy it's significant there's some pictures here

[59:35] of Easton town center and Columbus what mall developers are trying to do today

[59:40] is bring in more entertainment and more experiential retail that people are

[59:46] gonna want to get off their couch and come out and shop and spend some time

[59:50] and things that they can't get on the Internet so I mean we've had rising

[59:56] vacancies these are the numbers for the Chicago metropolitan area we were at

[1:00:01] eleven point one percent in the fourth quarter of 2018 and we are up from 10.1

[1:00:08] percent in the fourth quarter of 2017 but it was only like eight point six

[1:00:13] percent in 2013 so we've had a lot of store closings but a lot of retailers

[1:00:18] are actually implementing omni-channel and they are maybe reducing some of

[1:00:23] their store counts but um even the online retailers are now adding stores

[1:00:29] they've realized that they have to as physical stores to and enhance their

[1:00:34] sales and so you look at I'm not going to talk about all these but I mean Toys

[1:00:41] R Us 735 stores you know 700 stores with mattress firm and so forth so you add

[1:00:47] all these up you know this is something that's happening all over the country

[1:00:51] and this is in you know the Vernon Hills isn't being Arco they're not closing the

[1:00:57] stores because this is in a dynamic market

[1:01:01] you know even target who opens stores all over the day clothes stores in

[1:01:05] McHenry Morgan Park all they've probably closed five or six stores you know

[1:01:11] Lowe's all these retailers are readjusting their store portfolios so

[1:01:16] when we look at Vernon Hills we conducted a driving time analysis and we

[1:01:21] looked at to simulate what consumers would experience when they drive and

[1:01:25] that assisted us in delineating the trade area for Hawthorn center and the

[1:01:31] other sites in the village so if you look at the primary trade area of the

[1:01:36] Hawthorn Center it's a five mile trade area and then extending out to seven

[1:01:42] miles for the total trade area and then we looked at the population resources

[1:01:48] and the expenditure dynamics in Vernon Hills and we put all the market support

[1:01:56] factors in there how what's the population density what's the households

[1:02:01] what's the average household income and so forth

[1:02:03] and then what we did from there is we because we worked in 2009 we had all the

[1:02:09] sales data for the community and it's very interesting to see Roger our

[1:02:14] evening mayor Byrne was talking about retail sales and looking at how each

[1:02:20] category affects the villages retail sales base and then we're up to 1.4

[1:02:27] billion in total sales so you look at your municipal tax and your home rule

[1:02:32] tax when we were talking about that earlier I could tell that it was its it

[1:02:36] had to be a little bit higher and the Department of Revenue just came out with

[1:02:41] the 2018 numbers and you guys are up to 1.5 billion in total sales so the what

[1:02:48] was the category we lead in was a Furniture Vernon Hills has the highest

[1:02:53] furniture sales and electronic sales of any municipality other than Chicago in

[1:02:58] the Chicago metropolitan means we're selling some mattresses absolutely

[1:03:06] you know with Steinhafels and all the other furniture and electronic stores in

[1:03:11] the community it's significant we write a report on retail sales in the metro

[1:03:16] area and Vernon Hills is in some of the top is at the top of some of those top

[1:03:23] 20 communities well I mean we like for 2017 it was 649 right so you look at

[1:03:35] though it's it's unprecedented you have the highest but unfortunately like a lot

[1:03:41] of other communities your general merchandise sales have gone down from

[1:03:44] 259 million down to 167 and that's the weakness in the Sears and Carson's and

[1:03:50] some of the other stores but we look really carefully at these numbers and

[1:03:54] how they impact the mall and and you know where are we going and what

[1:03:59] categories are underserved and how we can strengthen your overall retail sales

[1:04:03] base but you don't live in a vacuum so we we also looked at the surrounding

[1:04:08] communities so gurney I mean first of all Vernon Hills is a retail mecca

[1:04:16] they're the corner of Main and main of retailing in Lake County Illinois and so

[1:04:22] you look at gurney you have always for the most part lead

[1:04:26] gurney in sales productivity and so you look at you know what their sales in

[1:04:32] general merchandise were 252 million and now they're 166 million so all these

[1:04:38] numbers are in the report I'm not going to belabor it here tonight but we looked

[1:04:42] at all the categories and what's happening and particularly at the other

[1:04:47] malls that that compete with Hawthorn Center so you look at Northbrook or talk

[1:04:52] about another one that got hit pretty hard and general merchandise they were

[1:04:56] at a hundred and thirty million and now they're at forty five million in general

[1:05:01] merchandise and they plan to tear down Macy's they're gonna add three hundred

[1:05:05] fifteen apartment units for empty nesters divorcees and so forth they're

[1:05:11] gonna add a grocery store and they're gonna add a lot of retail and

[1:05:16] restaurants is really the strong part of their redevelopment plan as well

[1:05:20] to create entertainment and get people off the couch to come out and enjoy the

[1:05:27] mall so the we also looked at Liberty villages because it was contiguous and

[1:05:32] their automobile sales are very significant at 436 million what's

[1:05:38] interesting in 20 so Morpher absolutely absolutely and so you know these are

[1:05:47] really it's really interesting to get into the demand side everyone talks

[1:05:51] about the supply side but really this is what's really happening out there you

[1:05:56] know you can say all word worth you know the mall is hurting and you know we

[1:06:00] melody farms and what we're doing but when you look at the overall sales we're

[1:06:04] growing overall and the Chicago metropolitan area was up three and a

[1:06:09] half percent in 2018 these numbers just came out from the Department of Revenue

[1:06:13] and we're up over four billion dollars auto sales are up 1.4 billion so the

[1:06:21] next slide we did not have the benefit of the fourth-quarter data so we looked

[1:06:26] at the first three quarters in Vernon Hills and looked at the growth that was

[1:06:31] going on with those the next thing we do we look at per capita retail

[1:06:37] expenditures and what people are spending in each retail category and we

[1:06:42] forecast those for the projection years out to 2028 and this assists us in

[1:06:49] determining what the total retail potential is in each segment of the

[1:06:53] trade area sorry these are small that was so how many thousands of people

[1:06:59] involved there's these numbers right these are just Vernon Hill this is for

[1:07:06] because the the trade area goes outside takes in hot water other towns well

[1:07:13] let's go back to the map

[1:07:18] so the seven-mile trade area so I mean it goes all the way down to Buffalo

[1:07:23] Grove to the south and up to one week for right you know so and we had the

[1:07:29] benefit of actually working with Westfield Corporation the previous owner

[1:07:34] and they gave us all their sales by sales distribution by zip code and so we

[1:07:39] had the benefit as we looked at the trade area of Vernon Vernon Hills over

[1:07:44] the years and you know what impact your Park had on it North the court and

[1:07:48] others so that's a great question but certainly you don't live in a vacuum and

[1:07:53] so we look at the income levels in Lake Forest in some of those other areas in

[1:07:59] looking at per capita expect you to speak the population in the insight up

[1:08:04] to 7 miles how many people live with within seven miles that table is kind of

[1:08:12] small but it's you it's probably about 300,000 people within the trade area in

[1:08:18] just a moment just bear with me for a second

[1:08:38] one to bunny seven in the prime didn't you guys read that better I'm sorry only

[1:08:42] seven in the primary 133 in the secondary total is 260,000 yes thank you

[1:08:51] so obviously we did that further south of course the density increases so we

[1:08:59] prepare demographics for each segment of the trade area and just off the top of

[1:09:03] my head usually it's about 300,000 or in that fifth geographic area so we applied

[1:09:10] those per capita expenditures to the population resources within each segment

[1:09:16] of the trader to come up with what the total potential is in each segment of

[1:09:21] the trade area and so you look at each category and so there's about three

[1:09:28] hundred and fifty seven million in potential in the general merchandise

[1:09:33] category in 2018 397 million in growth but we don't get all that in Vernon

[1:09:40] Hills that's what's out there within the trade area we're getting about a hundred

[1:09:44] million in grocery right now so we we looked at this and then we prepared

[1:09:49] market penetration and sales volume and these all the calculations are here I'm

[1:09:55] not gonna time is not going to permit us to do that but we're looking at each

[1:09:59] retail category and we see a market for additional stores particularly in the

[1:10:06] eating and drinking category things that are ecommerce resistant and and if we

[1:10:13] could get other department stores and specialty retail stores grocery what

[1:10:22] this is very this is what we use to come up with the market penetration and sales

[1:10:31] volume yesterday did you go back to that last slide and and then what was the

[1:10:37] furniture sales for Vernon Hills that

[1:10:42] that's what I thought 2017 now go to the slide that we were just ending on okay

[1:10:50] that's for the trade area which is so that includes sales that aren't captured

[1:10:57] in Vernon Hills right what is available go back so go back one now okay okay so

[1:11:05] how how is the total trade area 396 for 2018 if ours is 650 well because some of

[1:11:15] those sales come from outside of Vernon Hills and you also have CDW and you have

[1:11:19] American Hotel register which generates sales in those categories yeah so you

[1:11:28] import sales it depends like we're comparing apples and oranges in one

[1:11:32] sense because we're looking at within seven miles well that some of those the

[1:11:37] sales at seven miles can go to gurney and go to Deer Park but this is if we

[1:11:42] can capture more of those sales and bring them here into Vernon Hills but if

[1:11:47] you look at per-capita spenders in all those communities well and and major

[1:11:52] furniture purchases are the kind that people will travel more than just a

[1:11:56] family and we're only probably allocating about eighty five percent of

[1:12:02] all of the customers that are generated here there's 15 percent they come from

[1:12:07] outside the delineator trade area people are passing through or visiting

[1:12:11] relatives here staying at a hotel or 85 percent comes from where within five

[1:12:17] miles comes within the seven mile trade area yeah but some of them but you're

[1:12:22] saying there's another 15 percent outside right except for except for

[1:12:26] certain purchases such as furniture where we get half of it from from beyond

[1:12:31] this right so I mean if you're gonna go to Walgreens in your 7 miles away in the

[1:12:37] drugstore category you're probably gonna go to the local drugstore and not travel

[1:12:41] all the way to Vernon Hills so even though the potential exists so that's

[1:12:45] what our friends that said tanning are gonna do is they're gonna try to make

[1:12:49] people come to the mall more frequently and enhance their market penetration in

[1:12:54] each one of these retail categories so you know there's a lot that goes into

[1:13:02] and it's all outlined very specifically in the report but so we looked at each

[1:13:07] category and what the penetration levels are by each retail category and and what

[1:13:14] we expect to capture so we're about about within the trade area about 1.2

[1:13:23] billion in sales and that doesn't we usually don't look at the manufacturers

[1:13:31] category or the agricultural category so you know if you look at all the retail

[1:13:40] categories from the Department of Revenue there's some that aren't germane

[1:13:43] to this discussion so anyway we looked at the vacant stores in Vernon Hills

[1:13:48] Carson Perry Scott Carson's furniture Old Navy Petco Sears Toys R Us and we

[1:13:54] provided a list of potential types of retailers that could be targeted to fill

[1:14:01] the vacant spaces so I mean there's a variety of names here I mean find our

[1:14:06] for example that's a very expensive deal but they are going to take the carson

[1:14:10] space and a Norland Square Mall in Orland Park fresh farms we knew they

[1:14:17] were interested in this market LA Fitness Patel brothers yes I'm gonna

[1:14:38] probably let the developer and all that question but it's it's very significant

[1:14:43] I mean millions and so though these are the trade offs and what they're gonna do

[1:14:53] into the sales productivity and market penetration of the mall I just bring

[1:14:58] them up as they are potential target you know binney's beverage 0 Harvard

[1:15:04] freight tools these are retailers that are active I mean if you look at Sears

[1:15:09] many developers are adding a multi-family residential how about after

[1:15:14] dark they would need satellite stores they

[1:15:19] really haven't I mean you look at apt this outer ones down in Moreland part

[1:15:24] right and they won't open any of ya didn't you talk about hypotheticals

[1:15:30] everyone keeps talking about Apple store what what why won't they come here and

[1:15:34] what would it take well they have an Apple store inside of apt so one of one

[1:15:39] of the issues with electronics and appliances there in this market and

[1:15:43] North broken Deer Park right but I'm just saying they go no no Roger went

[1:15:51] there looking at stores not too long ago that Apple store I like oh holy mackerel

[1:15:56] it was like 150 people or Warner absolutely

[1:16:01] you know apt probably is about a four hundred million dollar operation out of

[1:16:05] that one store so you know we we looked at various tenants and you know I'm

[1:16:12] getting it close to my 15 minutes here but so can you go back to that though

[1:16:16] I'm still curious what is that even a possibility yeah I think it apples one

[1:16:23] of our targets I mean certainly when we get to some these are for the vacant

[1:16:28] stores because an Apple is in a very large store right so if you're jittery

[1:16:33] about $1,000 a square foot or so I'm like that for the year so yeah as you

[1:16:39] can see here we have Apple at the top list only because it's alphabetical

[1:16:43] but we certainly we we would love to see Apple I mean those stores can generate

[1:16:48] four thousand dollars a square foot they're at they're at this top of my

[1:16:52] list four thousand dollars a square foot yeah

[1:16:55] so for the year how much we did project out it depends on the size of their

[1:16:59] store but I mean usually they're you know 16 million dollars but some of our

[1:17:08] only like 4,000 feet if that okay so you know you look at another store that

[1:17:16] that's incredible what most the other stores maybe do three or four hundred

[1:17:21] dollars a square foot so so anyway what we I'm gonna just quickly go back so

[1:17:26] anyway we looked at you know some of the replacements for

[1:17:31] your vacant stores of size this isn't forever your little store of them all so

[1:17:37] there's a variety stores that represent replacement tenants there's other retail

[1:17:42] concepts that haven't come to Chicago yet I mean they may come in the future

[1:17:46] so there's new concepts all the time so it's punchable go back to punch bowl

[1:17:52] social there are other one a year or something yeah these are the

[1:17:59] experiential retailers family entertainment centers I mean you look at

[1:18:03] Crayola experience they only have one store open

[1:18:06] but they opened in a Starwood property in Texas and the people were coming by

[1:18:14] the busloads kids just love this Creole experience it was their hotel no it's a

[1:18:20] our would Starwood is the name of the mall they do so you know fun topia you

[1:18:32] look at round one round one has taken a variety of Sears stores around they went

[1:18:37] to Fox Valley Mall I mean they take a lot of space there at Stratford Square

[1:18:42] Mall I worked on that one to Woodman's is going to take the Macy's they're

[1:18:45] gonna tear it down so I mean these are the main event these are family

[1:18:50] entertainment type things that are gonna bring people out to the mall and so they

[1:18:54] are you know potential candidates obviously the mall ownership will be

[1:18:59] talking and looking at what the economics of each one of these that's

[1:19:06] fun KidZania KidZania KidZania so you know we can't put everybody and their

[1:19:13] brother on this list because there's some I mean when they have like one or

[1:19:17] two stores are we gonna be able to get them you know possibly but it all comes

[1:19:20] down to economics yeah so so when we looked at apparel I mean with what is

[1:19:26] being proposed this is gonna be a dynamic property from what I've seen and

[1:19:31] read about what some of the plans are this is a textbook example and so some

[1:19:38] of these still like we haven't been able to get Tiffany but I think Tiffany is

[1:19:42] thing that we should strive for here as part of the redevelopment on you look at

[1:19:47] untuck it there a internet only retailer or they had been and now they're opening

[1:19:52] physical stores so you look at some of the you know like Duluth trading company

[1:19:56] bonobos a lot of these guys were in there not only and so I think we we can

[1:20:02] bring some of those here you know I talked about von Maur

[1:20:06] I mean Dillard's if I were dealers this would be the time I would come into the

[1:20:10] Chicago market they could take three out of Texas they're all over the country

[1:20:15] but they're not here the closest ones are um like in Indiana so why wouldn't

[1:20:19] you know that's and you know the other thing is that that's gonna be a decision

[1:20:23] that the developer is gonna have to make on economics and so forth so we have a

[1:20:29] list of some of the active retailers that could be you know Patel brothers

[1:20:34] just announced they're taking a Toys R Ross across from golf mill so I mean

[1:20:40] these are some of the types of retailers you know Patel brothers grocery so

[1:20:48] they've catered more to an Indian population primarily you look you know

[1:20:54] Woodman's went down to Buffalo Grove like I said they're going to Stratford

[1:20:57] Square Mall to take from the Macy's so these are a lot of the you know some of

[1:21:02] them you have already but there's others that you don't so you look at like

[1:21:07] Amazon's gonna open their own grocery stores you got Amazon go

[1:21:12] you know Earth Fair we talked about fresh farm Heinen's little is supposed

[1:21:16] to be coming into the market so these are you know they might not go to the

[1:21:19] mall but maybe you know there's a we think there's an opportunity here with

[1:21:23] population growth we could just put a sign and hold foods right right they

[1:21:28] potentially they're changing the pricing structure and everything else but they

[1:21:33] just announced they're gonna come up with their own new store separate from

[1:21:37] Whole Foods yeah so so then we have a variety of restaurants that we think

[1:21:44] would work well here on some of these fast casuals might work very well down

[1:21:49] at Gregg's Parkway and we mentioned Apple and our fan furniture and some of

[1:21:54] these other you know like if the mall with the

[1:21:57] things that are happening at the mall and our plan can we get Pottery Barn and

[1:22:00] Pottery Barn Kids and these type of the our age gallery Restoration Hardware you

[1:22:05] get those in Deer Park absolutely so you know some of the Sporting Goods guys are

[1:22:16] potentially and uncle Dan's and Irwin mountain Outfitters yeah so we don't

[1:22:21] have floor in the core we don't have harbor freight tools those are guys that

[1:22:25] take second generations resource it's all for fly fishers yeah men love

[1:22:30] fishing we talked a little bit we got ahead of it but these are a lot of the

[1:22:38] entertainment like level 257 that's at Punchbowl social Lucky Strike Rail some

[1:22:45] of these rock climbing things urban active endeavors the urban air Adventure

[1:22:50] Park so let's get to the mall I'm sorry that's got a little long but you know

[1:22:57] centennial what they're planning is textbook this is exactly what other mall

[1:23:03] developers around the country are doing to address the decline it was Sears and

[1:23:09] Carson's and so forth they're adding lifestyle additions they're adding

[1:23:14] residential integrated in the fabric of the coordinated streetscape design I

[1:23:21] mean if you ever been to Easton town center of Columbus it's fantastic

[1:23:24] creates the main streets of the past and they're public/private partnerships with

[1:23:29] the communities I mean let's face it the mall got built in 1972 it's been

[1:23:35] generating tax since 73 you know I mentioned Northbrook Court I think a

[1:23:41] hotel would be great to integrate into the project actually a hotel real estate

[1:23:47] director contacted me and wants to be in this project

[1:23:50] Simon's adding 15 Marriott hotels and so forth so I think they could really add

[1:23:57] to the dynamics of the complex and provide customers and what do people do

[1:24:03] when they stay at a hotel they go shopping dining and entertainment

[1:24:07] the Macy's outlets this makes a lot of sense to me three outlets along you know

[1:24:12] Milwaukee excuse me a long time line road and they can generate sales of five

[1:24:17] hundred bucks a foot obviously the ring role would have to be

[1:24:21] realigned but that makes a lot of sense to me the outlets along Milwaukee Avenue

[1:24:27] again same things restaurants generate about five hundred

[1:24:30] dollars a square foot versus retail I mean this parking isn't really doing a

[1:24:35] whole lot it's new sales tax revenue it's new property tax revenue to the

[1:24:39] other taxing bodies because you don't have a property tax but there's a really

[1:24:43] an oversupply of parking and that could be converted to productive use on the

[1:24:48] outlets along Gregg's Parkway there we envision like a Salah doc Cafe Zubaz

[1:24:56] bone of beef is very active the market Andy's frozen custard the learning

[1:25:01] experience isn't cafes yuppies already going in across the street melody farm

[1:25:09] yeah hey there's a market forum we got them I don't think we need to okay so

[1:25:15] will scratch that one but you know born a beef you don't have an Andes frozen

[1:25:21] custard you don't have and so we've we have had a lot of see store interest

[1:25:26] it's not something that is very appealing select or meaning convenience

[1:25:31] store and gas station yeah but you look at those and we know that there's

[1:25:35] interest in the market but they're not most communities don't they say oh we

[1:25:41] want to go after a convenience or gas station but some of them generate eleven

[1:25:45] million dollars in sales so you could put a Walgreens there for like six

[1:25:49] million in sales or you could put a see store gas station where they have

[1:25:54] puppies right we have Bucky's right across the street right

[1:25:58] so this for Gregg's okay what is that okay okay and 711 right now are going

[1:26:07] all over the metro area adding new facility so you know isn't circle-k a

[1:26:12] lot with the redevelopment of some of the shelves right yes so there there

[1:26:19] there expanding the c-store the convenience

[1:26:22] store and so it's not sexy but it's they generate a lot of revenue and there is a

[1:26:29] market for whether the board wants something like that it was up to them so

[1:26:33] anyway I mentioned in conclusion sales are up three and a half percent in the

[1:26:38] metro area imagine automobile dealers there and gas stations up five and a

[1:26:42] half percent things are in growing general merchandise has been week so

[1:26:49] here are the actual sales for 2018 these were actually weren't even in the report

[1:26:55] this just came out and so I thought you'd be interested to see this include

[1:26:59] the collar counties and everything this is for the this is for the Chicago

[1:27:08] metropolitan area okay cane Lake McHenry will cacao so we're up four point three

[1:27:16] billion or three and a half percent so despite all these headlines about retail

[1:27:21] is dying this is the fact and so I think the mall is the crown jewel everyone

[1:27:29] that owns a mall is addressing this Sears Carson's issue it's kind of invest

[1:27:34] now or pay later we've had malls that aren't coming back and it's gonna take a

[1:27:39] partnership I think you got to implement a mixed-use redevelopment strategy and

[1:27:44] why shouldn't reenters the is that doing better now the Main Street has been a

[1:27:50] disaster well the smaller stores in the middle but I mean it's really a big box

[1:27:54] redevelopment with Costco Home Depot on the pad yeah they took a bunch of

[1:27:59] retailers from Arlington Heights Sports Authority which then closed Petsmart but

[1:28:05] so it really is it I don't think that's what we're proposing more of a town

[1:28:09] center here in and I think that we already have your big-box concentration

[1:28:16] and some of the surrounding shopping centers so this is going to be more of a

[1:28:19] town center with apartments retail restaurants hotel entertainment to

[1:28:26] create a 18-hour environment where people want to live and spend time live

[1:28:31] work play environment and you know we really need to add

[1:28:35] unique values and I think what I've seen at least from some of the preliminary

[1:28:41] plans proposed by the developer that it's you know the mall is key to the

[1:28:47] long-term viability of the of the villages retail base we've got a look at

[1:28:53] the possibility of adding on major anchors if it isn't today maybe it's

[1:28:58] tomorrow I mean my hope is that someday we're gonna have a Nordstrom at

[1:29:01] Hawthorne mall and it's an expensive deal but at some point they're gonna

[1:29:07] want to be here if if this plan is implemented its we're

[1:29:10] gonna create a really dynamic environment that they're gonna want to

[1:29:12] be at and we're gonna add ecommerce resistant uses and you know I think that

[1:29:18] you what they're proposing is a textbook example of what developers are doing

[1:29:24] today and they've actually taken out the playbook and how to redevelop this

[1:29:29] complex successfully quick question for you because you you've addressed a

[1:29:36] number of the questions I had but one question I had for you was I mean just

[1:29:40] it's funny because a few years ago when Dominic's left we were bereft of grocery

[1:29:44] stores and now as they're talking about at least based on the press release the

[1:29:49] potential for one year there are already seven grocery stores within about a mile

[1:29:56] and a quarter of the mall now and I just wondered if because I know that that car

[1:30:03] dealerships and and I know building near your competitor I mean Dave Thomas

[1:30:07] proved that was the way to go everybody thought he was nuts when he said find a

[1:30:11] McDonalds and build the Wendy's as close as you can and everybody said what are

[1:30:15] you nuts but he was right is that is that still

[1:30:19] viable I mean because it is a total of seven now I mean and we had nothing and

[1:30:23] now but you were doing 32 million dollars in grocery sales we recommended

[1:30:28] Whole Foods and Aldi and ranked omarion's and that's why I'm asking

[1:30:32] would an eighth one within that range still be viable we believe it would be

[1:30:37] because it's going to be a different type of grocer like if we polled this

[1:30:42] room about where you for groceries we're gonna get a multiple

[1:30:46] of answers and so you go maybe go more right I'm in here here here's the store

[1:30:53] that I absolutely gross er E store - absolutely would kill it here it's

[1:30:56] either a super H Mart it's these it's a Korean store where they have restaurants

[1:31:01] within it but there's also a store called mitsuo in Schaumburg you you go

[1:31:06] there on a Saturday and it is jam-packed I mean they're the shelves get cleaned

[1:31:12] up Japanese grocery store but it is it's a mix it's not just Japanese just Asians

[1:31:18] in there but we also have a big Asian population and in Vernon Hills alone

[1:31:22] it's 12.2% but if you even go out to the seven you know the seven mile radius

[1:31:27] yeah there's a lot of Asians and I know my mother lives in Buffalo Grove she

[1:31:30] goes to Mitsuo every two weeks she has to drive all the way you know in golf in

[1:31:34] Algonquin they open in small I'm super it's a super H Mart but the H Mart at

[1:31:39] Sanders and walk you have Anu they opened a small huge

[1:31:42] so there's your grocery store that absolutely I believe would kill ya

[1:31:45] that's why I wanted a but it's an Asian store specifically brothers what is it

[1:31:55] Patel brothers they're taking the Asian grocery store been there a long time

[1:32:01] right there and because of rolling battles right around it and there it's

[1:32:12] an authentic Japanese marketplace and there's only like ten of them around the

[1:32:15] country so they draw from us very wide trade areas you just articulated so they

[1:32:21] haven't opened any other locations but H Mart has and I believe we had H bar on

[1:32:27] the list as a possibility okay John people do go to multiple right I've

[1:32:33] taken my wife shopping on a number of occasions and we hit at least several of

[1:32:37] those seven yeah right I mean there are no loyalty can you go

[1:32:41] back to the slide before the short term strategy one more there we go don't mean

[1:32:48] no no no that's right that's right so what area this is all of Metro

[1:32:54] Chicago Chicago yes socha cago I can go up to the Vernon

[1:32:59] Hills table too but that is for 2017 but this is include this includes Vernon

[1:33:05] Hills yes so how how is furniture 158 million that's how much it went up in

[1:33:11] the metropolitan area in the year 2018 that's the oh okay the slide doesn't say

[1:33:18] that doesn't say it doesn't say increase by a hundred fifty eight million just

[1:33:23] says that's my point how could we be I just want to make sure

[1:33:28] that the 649 is wrong for the metropolitan area so the Madison area

[1:33:34] increased by four point increase in and up three and a half percent I just threw

[1:33:40] these in like last week because the data just was published by the Department of

[1:33:45] Revenue okay just to clarify sure that's a great question I'm confusing the guys

[1:33:53] I want to answer all your questions here from now is the real estate when will be

[1:34:06] beginning the formal full report for me

[1:34:16] you got the report okay we use me provided a draft so as we said we would

[1:34:26] and we will finalize that report okay and work with staff to do so

[1:34:33] understanding marks John you can answer remark we're going to put the melania

[1:34:39] fee study on the website at the earliest possible time so it might be another two

[1:34:45] weeks

[1:34:48] did you look specifically at lumber building hardware and how much it's

[1:34:54] increased since Menards came in I'm just curious

[1:34:59] those sales are part but it's only a partial year yeah so

[1:35:07] there definitely has been a in Korea that's 17 do you know you'll have

[1:35:15] anything even teen I didn't okay yeah I did it for the matter they weren't out

[1:35:20] for the vigil community what you know I know he made certain predictions before

[1:35:26] it I just wanted I'm just curious know I approved it was based on sales of twenty

[1:35:34] five million dollars right first year - did 60 million right you know it's six

[1:35:40] hundred thousand a year to us yeah I'm just curious you know how much how much

[1:35:45] words yeah I'm just curious sixty million alone and how much I understand

[1:35:57] with the three store sometimes they can be eighty or ninety real bad you guys

[1:36:03] wanted it real bad I get it thank you those hand mics do not work at all he

[1:36:26] just does like yeah speaking of there's two on my block that you need to take a

[1:36:31] look at he'll go out there with this charger ready for the next we're ready

[1:36:41] yeah say we have to take a break anybody should have to go to the

[1:36:48] bathroom should we as we open it and then we can get back

[1:37:08] let's do it we invite him up yeah no time like the present guys so do you

[1:37:17] really need your lawyer tonight just like paying him free help Frank and I

[1:37:26] history good history going all the way back to when we were kind of yous 1988

[1:37:38] you know we finally in you say we 1989 yeah I know because you okay yeah it's

[1:37:48] great okay anyway he worked on the annexation

[1:37:51] to hold kunio property where I'm sure some of the people in his room live yeah

[1:37:56] and yeah there was those special times every year was a lot of work but it was

[1:38:03] worth it okay all right good evening my name is Oliver Robinson I'm a

[1:38:07] centennial real estate company and we have in Hawthorn mall I'm gonna first

[1:38:12] introduce our CEO and president Steven Levin who is not good at

[1:38:16] following scripts but he's much more interesting than I am so give the big

[1:38:22] picture and then we'll run through some of this microphone so the folks at home

[1:38:30] be able to hear okay I would I'll do that as best I can I prefer to to look

[1:38:38] around but surviving I apologize if I'm not looking your direction but I'm

[1:38:45] really speaking to everybody in the room so as Oliver said my name is Stephen

[1:38:51] Levin founder CEO of Centennial real estate we're here tonight one we

[1:38:57] appreciate the opportunity to be here to unveil to you what we believe is one of

[1:39:08] the most exciting dynamic engaging immersive destinations that will be

[1:39:18] created and exist in the Chicagoland area for the next 30

[1:39:23] years and we're committed we are committed

[1:39:27] Centennial and our partner is USAA real estate in USA insurance company

[1:39:32] insurance company to the military a phenomenal company we are here to show

[1:39:40] you what we are committed to deliver to the community to the village of Vernon

[1:39:45] Hills three and a half years ago we made an investment with our purchase of

[1:39:54] Hawthorne mall we own the mall but the mall belongs to

[1:40:01] the village of Vernon Hills that's the way we look at it this mall belongs to

[1:40:06] the community and everything we're doing

[1:40:15] it's like American Idol it hold it really close to you have to hold it okay

[1:40:19] Wow I'm not used to doing that okay so as I was saying everything we're doing

[1:40:30] is based upon what we believe is the right vision for this project that will

[1:40:41] enrich the lives of the village of Vernon Hills residents we are based in

[1:40:48] Dallas but every project we do we are focused on the community that's how you

[1:40:54] make it successful it can only be successful if you embrace

[1:40:59] it if the people that live in this community embrace it it won't be

[1:41:04] successful otherwise and so well John was John was was great and and and I

[1:41:15] appreciate everything he said but but was very good about the the comment

[1:41:22] about the textbook approach to this I think what I want to say and what I want

[1:41:27] to convey to everyone is that yes there is a textbook approach

[1:41:33] but our approach is what's right for this community and what's right for this

[1:41:39] mall specifically it's not just about what the textbook says you're supposed

[1:41:44] to do it's what it's what it's gonna work best here to give you just a tiny

[1:41:52] bit of background we Centennial I grew up in retailing so I come at the real

[1:42:00] estate business we're not just we're not a typical developer we're an owner of

[1:42:06] great retail projects because I grew up in retail I was

[1:42:11] I owned a retail company that had 60 stores in the southwest and 30 were in

[1:42:15] malls and we come at this from being from a business that is based on

[1:42:25] engaging customers and and creating experiences for people and for customers

[1:42:32] so while Oliver's going to walk through a presentation our vision is to create

[1:42:37] this dynamic destination that is the place for the people that live in this

[1:42:48] community to take their kids to take their grandkids for Millennials for

[1:42:56] school-aged kids to experience to do the things that they do in life to

[1:43:03] experience life everyone talks about as John mentioned everybody talks about

[1:43:06] e-commerce and the internet and that's not what we are if you if you buy your

[1:43:12] dog food or you shop buy toilet paper or whatever you do to shop online that's

[1:43:16] great but that's not what this is gonna be this is this is what you do in life

[1:43:23] when you leave your house this is this is your social interaction this is

[1:43:29] entertainment this is recreational this is this is

[1:43:35] living this is all about living your life and so the context of all of this

[1:43:41] project is based upon the fact first of all that we're a long term owned

[1:43:46] we're not developing a project to sell it we're not here to kind of come in we

[1:43:52] made a several hundred million dollar investment in this community and we're

[1:43:57] gonna make a several hundred million dollar more investment in this community

[1:44:02] and that is going to take us a very long time to make sense of financially it

[1:44:10] will not make sense for many many years because we're investing now for the

[1:44:16] future John talked about a lot of tenants nordstrom von Maur all these

[1:44:22] tenants those are great thoughts but they won't come to this mall today they

[1:44:29] will not come here today they will only come here Apple is a pipe dream until we

[1:44:37] do what we're going to do then we have a fighting chance if we do what we're

[1:44:42] going to do and make this one of the most dominant and exciting properties

[1:44:50] and destinations and gathering places to go for all of you and all of you for the

[1:44:57] next 30 years and for your kids for your grandkids for your friends when they

[1:45:01] come to town then we have a chance to get Apple and to get Nordstrom and to

[1:45:08] get Von Maur and to get the tenants and the restaurants and the businesses and

[1:45:15] the entertainment facilities the the kinds of things that will resonate with

[1:45:21] you that that you want and one thing about us that I I want to I want to make

[1:45:28] this point we are somewhat unique we're we're fortunate with us a being our

[1:45:35] partner we're a long long long long term and the benefit to that is twofold we're

[1:45:44] making a very big investment that financially makes no sense for us to

[1:45:49] make unless we own it for a very long time and so very few people can do that

[1:45:55] we're very lucky to be able to have a partner like them that will in

[1:46:00] for the future otherwise you can't do it that's why many of the malls won't

[1:46:05] survive because there's no one to make the investment that we're willing to

[1:46:09] make and this mall has lost fifty million dollars in sales since we bought

[1:46:15] it and it's going down every day and the tax revenue is dropping every day that

[1:46:24] impacts the city tremendously but it impacts the community because this is

[1:46:29] not the mall that causes people to get up and say I want to go to Hawthorne

[1:46:36] like I did growing up I live three miles from a mall in Dallas and we got up on

[1:46:43] Saturday and says let's go the mall wasn't because there needed a pair of

[1:46:47] jeans it was because that was where we wanted to go and hang out and do things

[1:46:52] well that's what we're gonna do we're gonna bring this to a place where you're

[1:46:57] gonna get up and say not just on Saturdays but nights weekends let's go

[1:47:03] to Hawthorne because there's open air plazas with restaurants choices of

[1:47:12] restaurants there's music there's art there's any number of things we would

[1:47:18] like to do and we don't even know what we want to do we don't know what

[1:47:21] restaurant want to go to but we're gonna go because it's it's the place that we

[1:47:26] can enjoy ourselves and we can find the things that we do want to do and and to

[1:47:34] do that though going back to my second point about being a long-term owner is

[1:47:41] that we have to make the right choices and we're not making fast choices today

[1:47:50] that's hard to do it's hard to not fill it up with crap and fill it up with just

[1:47:55] the wrong people the wrong tenants the wrong that's the easy thing to do to

[1:48:00] just put income in there but it's not the right thing to do to develop the

[1:48:05] kind of vision we want to create for the long term and we're able to do that

[1:48:11] we've lost the third of our income since we

[1:48:13] bought them all a third of our income since we bought them all and I mean how

[1:48:23] many people will not only bail out not bail out but say I'm gonna invest

[1:48:32] several hundred million dollars to make this one of the and I'm serious I I know

[1:48:38] you don't know me but I'm very serious this is going to be one of the most

[1:48:44] dominant exciting energy driven engaging places in the Chicagoland area that's

[1:48:53] our commitment to you that's our commitment to the community I know

[1:48:57] there's people that say I don't want I don't where the residential strikes a

[1:49:03] chord with some people that we're gonna bring at school kids or some issue about

[1:49:08] having kids that may impact the schools first of all those aren't the apartments

[1:49:16] were building we're not building apartments for families with children

[1:49:19] that that's I understand that comment I understand that point but we're not

[1:49:26] building those apartments when you're building micro units and small 850

[1:49:33] square foot apartments for Millennials and for young people before they ever

[1:49:37] have children that's not for families and so we

[1:49:43] recognize the issue but we're not building those kinds of apartments the

[1:49:49] apartments though are a factor in creating this entire project that is a

[1:49:56] very integrated project that creates this destination it's not it's small

[1:50:03] compared to the 450 million dollars we're gonna have invested in this thing

[1:50:09] it's a small part of it but it's a meaningful part for the viability of the

[1:50:16] mall is the centerpiece the mall is the centerpiece we have to make it

[1:50:21] successful everything we're doing is to make it successful

[1:50:26] pure and simple that's what we're doing we want this to be something you're

[1:50:31] proud of we want it to be something that the

[1:50:35] community that the village is proud of that people that live here are proud of

[1:50:41] and want to go to all the time that's what's gonna make us successful and

[1:50:47] that's what we are that's what this shows this is a long-term plan this

[1:50:56] doesn't happen overnight and the last thing I'll say and I'm sorry for for

[1:51:03] going on and on and on I know it's late but but we're very passionate about this

[1:51:10] and I could I could stand up here quite frankly for quite some time we're very

[1:51:16] very passionate about this project and I can't wait to come back and stand up

[1:51:23] here with the mayor and open this project and show you and announce what

[1:51:31] we've done and what this is going to be and I will come back for that but we

[1:51:39] need the community support we're we're investing a tremendous amount and we've

[1:51:46] already made a big investment in the community and we're okay with that we

[1:51:50] made it when Sears closed we bought their

[1:51:54] building we bought their building because if we didn't control it we

[1:51:59] couldn't do this somebody could buy that and come in and

[1:52:04] crap up the mall do something that is totally contrary to what we're

[1:52:09] describing when Carson's closed we bought that we made two additional

[1:52:16] commitments of millions and millions of dollars to control the real estate so we

[1:52:21] can execute this strategy and look we hope Macy's and Penny's never go away

[1:52:29] but we have to be prepared that this is a project over time this is we're doing

[1:52:36] something for the next 30 years for this community and

[1:52:39] we want to hear from you we put up in the mall aboard a chalkboard that says

[1:52:44] tell us who you want here we want it to be what you want we can't promise you we

[1:52:49] can go out and get Apple and get Nordstrom and get these tenants but we

[1:52:53] want to know and we want to try and we're gonna try and we're gonna do

[1:52:57] everything we can it's going to take us time to get there

[1:53:01] but we are we are committed to do this and we are genuinely passionate about

[1:53:09] making it happen for the community and for the village of Vernon Hills so we're

[1:53:17] we're here we're gonna walk through the presentation we're always available to

[1:53:25] come back and talk to sit down and listen to what you have to say we're

[1:53:31] happy to do it I honestly I will tell you I'm happy to come up here happy to

[1:53:35] sit down and and talk about it and tell you what what we're doing we want your

[1:53:41] input because again how I started it's your mom it's your project and we're

[1:53:47] just trying to make it something that you're proud of and that you want to go

[1:53:50] to because that's ultimately what's gonna make it successful so thank you

[1:53:56] for indulging me and letting me kind of rant on it and speak and Oliver I'm

[1:54:02] gonna give it to you to walk through the presentation what I'm not going anywhere

[1:54:19] what I need to be working toward alright so just to give you a quick overview of

[1:54:41] kind of what we want to talk about kind of as far as specifics go you know first

[1:54:46] of all our request today is for approval of our concept we're looking for

[1:54:51] approval the conceptual plan that we're bringing to you obviously going forward

[1:54:56] assuming we get that right that gives us a level of commitment without a lot of

[1:55:00] real commitment for us to push forward in terms of the pretty significant

[1:55:05] dollars we start spending as we move toward toward a real project you know

[1:55:10] we've we've already expended a lot of time energy and money into planning you

[1:55:17] know kind of what we have to present to you and and you know next steps are

[1:55:23] really taking this to the next level in terms of that planning so we can talk a

[1:55:28] little bit about the Hawthorn mall kind of the approach that we have at

[1:55:31] Centennial some of the big picture trends which which John and Steven

[1:55:36] already hit on so I'll probably blow through some of those quickly cuz you've

[1:55:39] heard it before and then I'm gonna take you through you know what we're looking

[1:55:42] at in terms of you know the transformation of Hawthorne mall

[1:55:47] specifically you know the master plans finally ending in our commitment there

[1:55:53] Steven mentioned some of the players we have what we consider best-in-class

[1:55:58] partners both as financial partners as well as planning partners legal we feel

[1:56:04] like we have a good team here and we're very proud of the team that we have

[1:56:09] working on this mall as far as our approach goes you know there's a number

[1:56:13] of kind of big picture things that we try to hit on as we plan a

[1:56:17] transformation of them all everything from a distinct experience we want to

[1:56:23] ensure that we nod to and include the community that that individual mall is

[1:56:29] in as Steven mentioned we always want an elevated tenant mix that is we want to

[1:56:35] make sure that we are taking the tenancy to the next level from what's there at a

[1:56:40] given point today and that's been addressed mixed-use near the mixed-use

[1:56:46] the importance of mixed uses was was alluded to earlier and a Steven

[1:56:50] mentioned is really something that's happening in a lot of properties across

[1:56:55] the country right now whether it used to be this segregation of retail here

[1:56:59] office here housing over here people want

[1:57:04] more of an urban feel in terms of walkability livability shop ability

[1:57:10] dining there's a trend toward mixed-use and we feel like it's a good one and it

[1:57:16] fits well within mall strategies often given our large parking lots that were

[1:57:22] designed 37 years ago that are no longer required in terms of kind of the same

[1:57:27] kind of parking ratios we've got a lot of land it doesn't exist in a lot of

[1:57:31] other real estate the final one because this holistic approach embracing the

[1:57:38] Omni channels again it's been discussed and John discussed kind of how this

[1:57:43] retail Armageddon is it really a retail Armageddon there's a change consumer

[1:57:48] behavior is changing there is shopping online that one denies that but as was

[1:57:55] noted you've got people that were online players that are opening bricks and

[1:57:59] mortar stores across the country because that presence is needed that customer

[1:58:04] face-to-face interaction that needed and we are working with retailers trying to

[1:58:10] bring that to fruition as well it's important to get that that holistic

[1:58:16] approach with retailers as part of our mall and we're excited about that it

[1:58:21] really has changed the environment I don't hit two big trends here let's skip

[1:58:28] over these trends presentation but there are trends going on and we feel like

[1:58:35] those open up opportunities it's a transformation overview we've been

[1:58:43] spending a whole lot of time master planning again we started with the seer

[1:58:47] site we've obviously got the mall itself and we have the Carson's tracks so we've

[1:58:52] had a lot of things to look at one of the things that we're going to get to

[1:58:54] later is really not as pertinent to kind of a zoning action coming up but we want

[1:59:01] to show you what we're thinking about inside the mall as well because in order

[1:59:05] to transform this asset we really have to include a change to the interior of

[1:59:11] the mall we can't simply you know add different

[1:59:16] uses and add a mixed-use experience to the mall and then leave the interior of

[1:59:22] the mall as it is there's got to be investment throughout and we're ready to

[1:59:26] address some of that and show you some of the thoughts we have as well

[1:59:31] enhanced dining eighteen our destination is kind of something we talked about we

[1:59:35] want people at the mall we want to give people reasons to be there living

[1:59:39] shopping etc all the all the reasons to be there that we've talked about

[1:59:45] previously you know grocers there's been discussion

[1:59:49] of brochure you know I think the president said it very well been saying

[2:00:00] a lot there's distinguishing I've lost the word down you know can't can't other

[2:00:11] grocers survived absolutely they all fit a different niche right right these

[2:00:15] grocers have different niches and there's a lot of grocery dollars being

[2:00:21] spent and burning hills and around and we believe that there's room for more

[2:00:26] grocers in the community that's the one thing you can be sure people are gonna

[2:00:29] shop at right all the other uses have been flowed people buy groceries Mike

[2:00:37] you can use one of the stand-up fun okay I just want to interject one comment

[2:00:43] there that was related to your comment about the H Mart and I'm very familiar

[2:00:50] with H Mart and and I think the point about that which I think is very

[2:00:54] relevant is that is that we don't want and again it goes back to our overall

[2:01:01] vision we don't want just any grocer we don't want just a grocer because that's

[2:01:07] what you think should be here if it's not interesting and if it's not

[2:01:11] experiential and if it's not unique and if it doesn't provide something that the

[2:01:16] community doesn't have then we're not going to do it but but if we can bring

[2:01:22] you a an international or very different distinctive grocer that

[2:01:30] provide something this community does not have then that is that is a

[2:01:35] difference maker that is something that we want to do so we're not just going to

[2:01:41] bring you know the seventh grocer that does the same thing the other six do

[2:01:47] because if it's not going to be successful we don't want to do it either

[2:01:51] and we don't want to be just like everybody else we want to do this in a

[2:01:55] way that's gonna be very unique and special so exactly as you say it may not

[2:02:00] be that one but it's that exact point of bringing something that is different

[2:02:05] that is not the same as H Mart for example they sold a fish that's right

[2:02:11] okay so we could have some gain there from like from Pike's Market every once

[2:02:16] while throwing a fish that's the expert that's exactly right and and I mean yeah

[2:02:32] yeah and and a lot of this did there listen we've got we don't we own a

[2:02:45] property that has 99 Ranch Market in it which is the most dominant national

[2:02:50] Asian grocery not Korean Chinese and Taiwanese they're phenomenal and it is

[2:02:55] exciting and it's a great business to be in so we we get that I'm only point is

[2:03:01] we're really really taking our time to do this in a manner that creates

[2:03:07] something that is that is unique and special not trying to bring you the

[2:03:11] seventh grocer that is of the same kind

[2:03:18] right

[2:03:27] yeah sure and we saw that with the screw sure that Stephen was referencing in

[2:03:34] Dallas they had a massive following we have our own example right across the

[2:03:39] street here true through the-- i know i'm killing the name but it's an indian

[2:03:45] grocer and that is the first entity that has really taken hold in this little

[2:03:53] mini mall here and it's serving an ish i did serving the indian market but it's

[2:03:58] also serving part of the asian market too because there's a fair crossover

[2:04:03] right some of the products they carry so yeah that a specific market to target it

[2:04:11] to a demographic sure perfect let's move on then to the plans here the current

[2:04:18] site plan everyone's familiar with the current site plan macy's JCPenney on the

[2:04:22] north the old Carson's box on the south and the Sears box to the east there so

[2:04:29] what we're dealing with when we had when we had to plan this out is we've got a

[2:04:33] significant grade change that goes right up against the Sears we've also got you

[2:04:41] know a ton of parking you've also got a big obsolete box that in today's world

[2:04:46] don't have users that use 200,000 square feet you rarely have users that actually

[2:04:53] take a hundred thousand square feet as was mentioned earlier these footprints

[2:04:56] are shrinking so what we wanted to do was find a way to make use of the land

[2:05:02] to engage customers to interface with the mall in a different way to provide

[2:05:09] something that gave Vernon Hills a four seasons opportunity to both you know use

[2:05:17] what we build on the east side as well as to to give them a way to you know

[2:05:23] basically a new way to funnel people into the mall in the end as Steven has

[2:05:26] said everything we're doing is to strengthen our current investment to

[2:05:31] strengthen the mall to ensure it's a viable asset for Vernon Hills and a

[2:05:35] viable funding source for Vernon Hills far into the future

[2:05:39] so here's a big picture of what we've put together so far the laser does this

[2:05:46] have a laser pointer there it is it's kind of petering out unfortunately

[2:06:03] let's address the let's address the the the Carson's box first much better so

[2:06:16] first of all the Carson's box is a little bit simpler we don't have as much

[2:06:19] land on the Carson's tract as we do here

[2:06:25] because the reason the reason for you using the mouse is because it's going to

[2:06:30] be televised and the people will see that where they won't see that got it

[2:06:35] got it so the Carson's box we have basically

[2:06:39] two new boxes planned this is the grocer on the east side and here we're still

[2:06:45] talking to a number of potential tenants but we expect this to be what we'll call

[2:06:49] the daily needs section right we're gonna have our daily needs of residents

[2:06:54] met we're and give people a reason to come in we're still gonna have the

[2:06:58] experience interplay between the mall and the exterior a very small green

[2:07:05] space plaza and we expect that the grocer is going to be able to basically

[2:07:11] I'll call it seamlessly fade into the mall we expect there to be an interplay

[2:07:18] within the mall that connects the grocery operation and the experience of

[2:07:23] the shopper in the mall absolutely but from the mall you'll be able to

[2:07:31] interface and see they'll be you know they'll be interaction there between the

[2:07:35] mall and the grocer we have some square feet building the big build is a 50,000

[2:07:44] square feet and the smaller building somewhere the range of 20 to 30 thousand

[2:07:51] could be multiple tenants we've got a couple larger tenants that we think

[2:07:56] could take the whole space you can see it's eating up some of the mall space as

[2:07:59] well which is very important in this day and age we've got a lot of small shop

[2:08:03] space that isn't where the mall needs to be today in terms of small shop space so

[2:08:08] anything that allows us to eat some of the small depths of the small shop space

[2:08:12] much of which is too for today's marketplace is a good thing

[2:08:16] as far as we're concerned okay did we move over to Sears box and the

[2:08:21] Sears box we're trying to create a you know a basically an urban environment

[2:08:26] that has food and beverage offerings has retail offerings has again the living

[2:08:33] offering right we're trying to create a true streetscape an urban streetscape

[2:08:41] that basically will pull off of off of Milwaukee obviously we've been very

[2:08:48] careful to maintain sight lines from Milwaukee into the mall can you go

[2:08:54] through each of those elements yes so you're over the brown and now you're all

[2:08:59] right what each of those represents sure sure so we have basically the yellow

[2:09:05] here is retail slash food and beverage above the retail is the multi-family

[2:09:14] we've got a garage in the middle the lower level of the garage services

[2:09:20] retail upper levels would be exclusive to multifamily on this side the same

[2:09:28] again we're founded by the geometry here of the great change but we've got garage

[2:09:34] wrapped with multifamily and then we've got the retail offering along the street

[2:09:42] we have a very small medium within the street which is you know something that

[2:09:48] you basically you want this to be very inviting in terms of people cross

[2:09:53] shopping both sides of the street it's a fairly walkable very slow it's very

[2:09:57] regular very pedestrian a very addition

[2:10:04] what do they do those kind of details we'll have to figure out down the road I

[2:10:16] doubt it'll be a tunnel but but it would most likely be mixture heated sidewalks

[2:10:22] and

[2:10:24] over your nagging you know right we had a we had a bad winter I know everybody

[2:10:32] agree with one get one thing sure hey then we've got a Plaza space here this

[2:10:43] Plaza space will be programmed it will be usable for seasons out of the year

[2:10:49] obviously you have very different uses in the summers compared to the winters

[2:10:53] here but there's ways to make this programmable and usable all four seasons

[2:10:58] or the blue areas are one part that's multifamily what time the perimeter the

[2:11:04] lower right hand corner you know right now this is to be determined this is

[2:11:09] actually a plan we just had a new plan come out today actually this was gonna

[2:11:13] be some kind of different type of multi-family housing to be determined

[2:11:18] there was just some extra square footage and they filled in space the latest plan

[2:11:23] doesn't even have this it could be a townhome type product to be determined

[2:11:30] so these are about four these are about four stories no the blue part is four

[2:11:47] stories so Brown is one story or two stories right parking underneath it's a

[2:11:54] mixture of three and four stories depending on you got buildings we have

[2:12:01] lots of yes I think again one thing I just want to point out that just we're

[2:12:11] creating these outdoor clauses that are part of what we're going to do in these

[2:12:18] projects is create

[2:12:25] music you know it's very important that that you know we're gonna be activating

[2:12:33] these areas both inside and outside we're gonna do something inside that's

[2:12:37] going to be unbelievably amazing in the center quarter of this dismal that in

[2:12:46] addition to the ability to to have a lot of kids areas to be playing and having

[2:12:54] wine and coffee and kind of a central park theme inside the ball but we're

[2:12:59] going to be creating these areas and activating them with music and with art

[2:13:04] activations where we can bring the community in to do art changes and

[2:13:11] constantly the schools come in and bring art projects and we're gonna have a lot

[2:13:17] of that community activity and music from the community so that it's

[2:13:21] constantly when you're coming here you're you're you're really being

[2:13:26] energized by what's going on so I just I just want you to kind of it's hard to

[2:13:31] see we've got you know pictures but it's hard to see we're gonna try to speed it

[2:13:40] up a little bit we've got some pictures we had some renderings done of the plans

[2:13:44] this is looking at the brochure this is look at the streetscape down towards the

[2:13:52] mall president burns want me to speed it up oh no now you know now you're getting

[2:14:06] it a good don't speed this up speed up that stuff that nobody wants to hear

[2:14:12] this is these three that go back just two more just take it take two seconds

[2:14:18] I flew here from Dallas

[2:14:21] yeah this wouldn't I mean seriously seriously take a look this was it this

[2:14:27] is a Carson's box the I mean the transformation of this I mean you've got

[2:14:37] to look at it and say well what a change it will bring this is a tremendous

[2:14:46] change a tremendous investment being made that is opening up creating another

[2:14:51] area that we're where that where the Carson's box is so that that that's what

[2:14:58] that is there along though you'll see along that store is all outdoor seating

[2:15:03] all along the store all the way to get up into the mall and there's some green

[2:15:09] space there so go to the next one this is awfully dramatic when you say this

[2:15:18] this is creating an urban feel distressed game that is walkable dining

[2:15:26] sitting outside the apartments are above and it can lead straight into the wall

[2:15:33] this is the Sears parcel and this is this is not typically found

[2:15:46] I'm sorry I I just again I just want you to focus on it for a minute because this

[2:15:52] is in my opinion this is you're not going to see this very many places not

[2:15:59] in the suburbs in many areas anywhere around the country and it's a total

[2:16:07] transformation total change and this is going to lead to this Plaza with music

[2:16:12] and with art and with activations so go to the third one

[2:16:17] that's the plaza and one thing that you're also going to find here you can

[2:16:23] see the AMC there today the AMC this the AMC is is 25 30 feet above the Sears

[2:16:31] building so you can't even see the AMC you come in here you can't you can't see

[2:16:37] the AMC at all unless you're on the other side of the mall this is going to

[2:16:41] create a total different vision and view we're going to create steps what I'm

[2:16:49] calling the Spanish Steps that are going from here all the way up to the AMC

[2:16:55] theater area so you're going to be able to kind of come up and down front from

[2:17:01] the theater where we've had where Westfield built restaurants that are not

[2:17:05] least at all because nobody knows they're there

[2:17:10] Sears blocks the the entire view and vision so by tearing the Sears building

[2:17:16] down you're going to be able to open up that whole side of the mall where we can

[2:17:22] create tenants and excitement and energy where the theater is now and then have

[2:17:28] really attractive steps down to this plaza area where we'll have restaurants

[2:17:35] that you can sit with music and overlook the plaza and and so I just wanted to

[2:17:42] spend five minutes for three minutes because a lot of the conversation is

[2:17:47] great but this is special you get any more pictures yes

[2:17:54] this was the existing wall I'm here you you click and I'm visiting wall then

[2:18:03] here's the mall today here's the center court of the mall today

[2:18:07] ok we're gonna spend thank you I'm sorry I just get a little a little animated

[2:18:14] about this we're we're gonna we're gonna spend up flip to the to the next line

[2:18:21] we're gonna spend right now we are we are working on this for this holiday

[2:18:26] time we're going to spend five million dollars in the mall to create something

[2:18:32] that is I don't know you'll see it anywhere it where else and we're getting

[2:18:39] no return on that money but we have to do it we have to do it today that starts

[2:18:45] the conversation with tenants about why you need to be here because we have to

[2:18:50] demonstrate what we're going to do we have to demonstrate our commitment to

[2:18:54] this project and and this is what we're calling kind of a Central Park area

[2:18:59] where you can go bring your kids your kids can play you could sit around you

[2:19:04] can get coffee hopefully wine and create this totally

[2:19:10] immersive exciting area in the mall that that is going to be spectacular and and

[2:19:20] we're you know this we don't obviously we're not we're not here for this we're

[2:19:25] you know we're doing this we we feel that we can't let them all sit today if

[2:19:31] you know malls in America are going one of two ways they're going down and

[2:19:40] they're going up only if people invest in them if you don't invest in them all

[2:19:45] its going down and as evidence the last three and a half years we've lost a

[2:19:51] third of our income and fifty million dollars of sales so if we don't start

[2:19:54] doing this quickly we're going the wrong direction anymore well I mean seriously

[2:20:03] I mean you know this is what's there now okay there now that

[2:20:07] the last piece of is really kind of the messaging the transformation again the

[2:20:12] art installations that we're working on bringing some local artists but again we

[2:20:17] just want you to understand kind of what we're working on behind the scenes in

[2:20:21] addition to what we're asking for today now you get a good picture of a concept

[2:20:26] picture of the apartment you said Dewey well I mean you're 30

[2:20:33] what we included here how we saw some wood above the retail right that's right

[2:20:37] okay is it all above the retail it's not all above the retail some of it

[2:20:42] that's away from the retail is down to grade what's that but we don't have

[2:20:50] elevations yet we haven't gotten that level of design it's all the same

[2:20:57] building no no no no no we're not no we're not building well that

[2:21:02] unfortunately that was put on the stack that was it was a it was a space filler

[2:21:09] architect put that on there and we're not building townhomes it's apartments

[2:21:14] two projects one on each side over the retail that they'll be they'll be

[2:21:23] apartments over the retail but they'll also be behind the retail on from the

[2:21:28] ground up how many resident how many units it's about what showed is about

[2:21:34] 450 units are you considering a hotel in this absolutely well it would be another

[2:21:42] phase I mean we want a hotel but there hasn't been the focus and the interest

[2:21:46] yet I mean it's absolutely something we want we we've got we've got we've

[2:21:53] started to get interest again people have to see that we're doing this to to

[2:21:59] get to get really the once we start this project we are going to start

[2:22:05] aggregating you know because again we don't want to just put any hotel out

[2:22:12] here we're not just looking to sell our land or to bring somebody on just to get

[2:22:15] it we want to get the right hotel for this market and who we opened is

[2:22:21] the residents before before we do that I've got a few questions okay so - you

[2:22:26] mention hotel but where where where would it go well first of all you know

[2:22:31] part of it has to do with the hotel and we're you know we just can't tell them

[2:22:36] to go anywhere what we have the Carson's box that is vacant today

[2:22:42] I'm sorry the Carson's furniture store that is vacant today but wouldn't you

[2:22:46] want the hotel to be attached to the mall and the great in the mall it

[2:22:51] depends on what it is it depends on what type of hotel it is a

[2:22:55] lot of hotels do not want to be or not or not designed to be part of them a

[2:22:59] mall if if it's a Western high-rise hotel that would be one thing but so far

[2:23:05] the interest we've had is not from that kind of a brand it's from more boutique

[2:23:10] a loft or brands that are not connected to two malls and so they don't want to

[2:23:16] be part of it is what you know we can't what we want sometimes isn't always what

[2:23:21] the market commands but we absolutely a hotel is just like residential hotel is

[2:23:29] a critical element that we want to have at the mall but again it's a it's a

[2:23:35] process of having to get the the project to a point to where we can control more

[2:23:41] of who we want than just who's showing up I get that but I mean I've been to

[2:23:47] the I don't know which mall you went to in Dallas but or wherever you were in

[2:23:52] Texas but I've been to the one that has a very nice mall with a very nice the

[2:23:56] Galleria - yeah the Galleria like a West did right there right that's exciting to

[2:24:00] stay at a place like that where you can stay there and in and be at the ball

[2:24:06] always would you're not if we could get that but you're preaching to the choir

[2:24:11] right if we could get that today not a chance

[2:24:15] and I get that today but I just want to make sure that your plans would allow

[2:24:19] for that because if you're thinking that they're gonna be in a box in the back no

[2:24:24] one's gonna want to go there but oh well again today that option doesn't exist

[2:24:30] the options that exist today are hotels not

[2:24:34] anywhere near that that type of hotel mm-hmm that that would be that would be

[2:24:40] on our property detached from the mall that's the hotel opportunity today but

[2:24:46] in the future if the concept was different in a hotel wanted to come in

[2:24:53] and be attached to the new mall where would it be well you guys have a plan

[2:25:00] for that we have a plan yet we need that hotel to come there's a

[2:25:04] plenty of places to connect to the mall it would most likely be taking down some

[2:25:08] small shop space it could be between Macy's and JC Penney right Mei knows we

[2:25:14] have plenty of land here everything that you could you could reconfigure the mall

[2:25:17] to allow for we wait okay if we are willing to do whatever it takes pretty

[2:25:24] amazing things and so if we get the right hotel we're gonna figure out how

[2:25:29] to get them at the mall maybe can they point out where your land is okay now

[2:25:34] you know you got Carson now you we know you get serious yeah where's your land

[2:25:39] for you know is the you know part is there lets you have everything except

[2:25:47] for Macy's and Penny's everything he has everything except for Macy's and Penny's

[2:25:53] that picture know what I'm saying where's your parking fields just for the

[2:26:01] you know what I mean - to own it is they already over by between you know pennies

[2:26:07] and it's going to be hard to say - while you're while you're trying to find that

[2:26:21] out you've been using level of Sears this is there's AMC we don't own JC

[2:26:40] Penney's and we'll show you that psycho but what we're talking about it Carson's

[2:26:44] in its ears that's not 60 acres it no no no no because you won't some

[2:26:51] additional land that's that's right that's 30 acres between Carson's and

[2:26:54] Sears where do you know we can't go to the mouse again because you control 64

[2:27:20] acres of land said well we sites 108 we control you're right we could that's

[2:27:29] what we control but the mall is sitting on no but the we have we just bought 30

[2:27:37] acres from Carson's and Sears the other 36 we own the mall is sitting on we

[2:27:45] don't have much okay because this mall the four anchors owned all of their

[2:27:52] parking in their land well but what you're down to is because you own

[2:27:56] everything you bought seriously you're down to the only thing you don't own is

[2:28:00] Macy's and pen and pen and and their party % of the parking lot it goes with

[2:28:06] Macy's and Penny's right that's exactly right about 15% of the parking that

[2:28:09] that's right and because that was gonna be one of my questions I've heard you

[2:28:13] using the term master plan have they've been talking to us have you been talking

[2:28:17] to them absolutely meet me with them every couple months yeah because I would

[2:28:21] like to have all of you in the same room as we get closer to a final plan because

[2:28:26] if you're gonna truly talk about master plan it has to include Macy's and

[2:28:30] Penny's because they've already been talking about some stuff on there well

[2:28:34] they they're they're giving us their approval to do to do what we're doing

[2:28:38] here we we have a good rule we have a great relationship but then we speak to

[2:28:43] them all the time right now listen this is a what we're proposing today is is

[2:28:52] massive I mean it's it's massive to do this on

[2:28:57] this kind of a project because again we - we have to get them all we're not just

[2:29:04] trying to build around them all we're trying to get them all to be I

[2:29:08] understand the Bible project and we're no that's that's why I want to make sure

[2:29:12] that women and Macy's and any sort of we would have to have them in the room well

[2:29:17] Macy's and Penny's may be there for the next 10 I don't know they may be there

[2:29:23] for many years Penny's has already talked to us Penny's

[2:29:25] if we brought if we had a hotel and we needed some of Penny's land I'm telling

[2:29:30] you they would be willing to give we their lands we build it okay we are the

[2:29:33] dominant we are the one that is creating the project that is beneficial to them

[2:29:39] and so they understand the investment we're making is significant to the value

[2:29:45] of their store and their real estate and so you know I asked you a little bit

[2:29:50] about the the residences again sure you made the comment that there wasn't a

[2:29:54] tunnel I'm a little concerned that you're trying to sell to older people

[2:29:58] and there's no no direct access to the interior I mean we as you don't you're

[2:30:06] from Texas you didn't go through what we just went through I would I would be a

[2:30:10] little concerned about buying in a place you know when I get to that age when I

[2:30:16] get to that age when I get to that age that your age so when I when I when I

[2:30:26] get to that age and and and I'm looking to buy a place that has direct access in

[2:30:31] in Taurus Bay indoor space that I would have to trudge through the snow whatever

[2:30:37] just like we were talking about the hotel it's nice to be directly attached

[2:30:42] so at least if you could build an underground passage for all of these

[2:30:47] residences so that you can list that as an amenity when it's nasty out they

[2:30:52] don't have to go outside to use the indoor space and get to that kind of

[2:30:56] environment that was just a point I don't know how much you know how much of

[2:31:01] an infrastructure change it would take and and cost but but I think I think

[2:31:07] that would be pretty significant as an attraction

[2:31:12] financing because we haven't that's a whole nother that's a whole nother

[2:31:16] section but but I think in terms of conceptually I think to really to really

[2:31:21] sell it to I've been 400 units to be to say your next door to the mall isn't

[2:31:26] quite the same as well direct access to them well that's where I was coming from

[2:31:30] even like you know some kind of a covering and you writing for red heaters

[2:31:35] in there something no I mean I guess they can do that in the winter time if

[2:31:40] there's a direct path that they could do that integrate that into the design plan

[2:31:44] that there's some kind of you know I I think I guess what I would say a couple

[2:31:50] things sure first of all we are not well number

[2:32:02] one as an overall theme everything we're trying to do everything we're going to

[2:32:08] do where we are committed to do it the best way that it will be done so our

[2:32:16] overall arching theme is that we're spending five million dollars to make

[2:32:23] the interior the mall look look phenomenal today mm-hmm so we're not we

[2:32:31] do have a limit and we do have you know partners that there is a point at which

[2:32:37] we we can't spend anything we want to spend but as an overarching theme as I

[2:32:45] said we're committed to making this a phenomenal a phenomenal project so

[2:32:50] everything that you're pointing out is is a consideration of ours as to how to

[2:32:56] make it as best as we can make it giving the constraints that we can't

[2:33:00] spend any amount of money so we have to there is a point in which we have to

[2:33:05] think about the dollars that we're spending but we are very concerned about

[2:33:10] making sure it works well and that it's integrated and it's not just putting an

[2:33:16] apartment project somewhere on our site and then not trying to address how

[2:33:21] people get to the mall because we want people to get to the mall in all four

[2:33:25] seas and not feel an impediment so we don't

[2:33:31] have all those answers yeah well I'd like to give it to some citizens

[2:33:36] comments right I've got later yeah really to put things I want to

[2:33:41] cover number one I've noticed that you've got three outlets that haven't

[2:33:46] ever been talked about before so that makes a total of nine outlets so just I

[2:33:54] want to make sure that everybody understands we're looking at more

[2:33:59] additional outlets and I don't know how many people or how many businesses will

[2:34:06] want to fill those but that's quite a few so you'll need to give us more input

[2:34:12] on that but I know tonight is not that night this is a high level but the other

[2:34:19] and this is a point to be made you're familiar with the Atwood apartments yes

[2:34:24] yes and they are going to be these apartments that you're proposing here

[2:34:31] are going to be similar or even smaller in individual size on a per unit basis

[2:34:39] is that correct that would be the overall goal absolutely again it's all

[2:34:43] conceptual right now right but we have but that's the direction you're heading

[2:34:46] that is the direction we're headed okay and correct me if I'm wrong there

[2:34:53] mr. village manager but as of the last count we were about two-thirds full

[2:34:59] in other words about three-quarters full there over there over 73 percent okay so

[2:35:09] they're roughly two hundred units and we have how many children we're out seven

[2:35:16] six from district 1 four dice building one kid from Michael's his dad's the

[2:35:21] base the bottom line so we can wage that point clearly right up front is that if

[2:35:36] these apartments are similar and we're talking about

[2:35:39] basically doubling that number of apartments going from the 240 to your

[2:35:45] 450 not quite doubling we should be looking at somewhere around 10 to 12

[2:35:51] children they're not going to be children live living and there won't be

[2:35:57] many that well there won't be met they're not built for that right and

[2:36:01] neither neither is the existing well that being said this is going to have a

[2:36:08] limited a very limited effect on schools well how old is the milk current

[2:36:15] development okay and that's only 20 kids about 300 units it's about 20 years old

[2:36:22] family / the actual number of students coming out of there for district 73 is

[2:36:30] 22 and they pay almost $500,000 a year the district 73 I want to turn this over

[2:36:42] to the residents who wants to come back first thank you thanks guys here right

[2:36:49] just stay another night come on Julie Julie you need this experience come and

[2:37:00] experience I don't know improve learn you haven't been in the County Board and

[2:37:06] walk I'm here as a resident oh you are okay

[2:37:12] Julie Simpson 21 Monterey Drive Vernon Hills just a centennial I know as a

[2:37:19] resident myself we want success we want the revenue into our village what's very

[2:37:24] important to us is that there are zero children but in addition to having zero

[2:37:28] children is hawthorn 73 is underfunded we need to ensure that the tax

[2:37:34] incentives the tax incentives are very important I get that that's a part of it

[2:37:39] but any any housing any hotel and Welling like that cannot come with tax

[2:37:47] incentives the schools need the money and the only way for them to get that

[2:37:50] revenue is that type of destruction and I heard the same thing

[2:37:58] trustee Brown heard with townhouses and that is very scary we don't want that

[2:38:02] zero children's is the effort I mean I know we might get one or two or three or

[2:38:06] four like at the at worth but the out worth isn't going to produce have any

[2:38:11] revenue for twenty years we can't have that again

[2:38:13] well let's explain the point that a school district under the law can they

[2:38:19] actually approached us if for some reason there was an explosion of

[2:38:24] children we have to put so much money aside in an escrow account is that

[2:38:31] correct that is correct our definition of explosion of children well they have

[2:38:40] the ability they have the ability to come in and request for a redistribution

[2:38:47] of the TIF allocation number one number two there are statutory minimum

[2:38:53] guarantees that provide that the school districts are guaranteed a certain

[2:38:58] percentage of the increment in a TIF situation to cut costs to the kid right

[2:39:03] that is designed to ensure that they're covering the cost of educating the

[2:39:09] children and this to some extent needs to be compared with the declining tax

[2:39:15] revenue that an asset like the Hawthorn mall produces today

[2:39:18] or will produce in the future if that kind of a development doesn't doesn't go

[2:39:24] forward and the mall ultimately dies so those are the kind of both ends of these

[2:39:29] of the spectrum and the idea is to find the perfect balance in between that

[2:39:34] guarantees financial security for the school district which is something I

[2:39:39] know this board is absolutely committed to and at the same time balancing that

[2:39:44] so that you come out with an economically viable project that can

[2:39:49] ensure the success that the community demands in you know I'm not a hundred

[2:39:53] percent blaming the village for it the schools being crowded I mean it's a

[2:39:57] state funding issue it's I said I'm not now just you're not a hundred percent

[2:40:01] well you're blaming us for something I mean everybody has a small part in it I

[2:40:05] mean the biggest problem is probably the state but what

[2:40:08] I'm looking for is the state okay I mean that's that's probably the biggest

[2:40:13] problem is the funding model but but as it stands right now the only way for the

[2:40:19] school to to add revenue is new construction without children that

[2:40:24] generates tax dollars that's how it stands and so it's more of a request of

[2:40:28] partnership to help solve the problem did you hear the statement regarding

[2:40:33] three million dollars a year going to district 73 right now from the mall I

[2:40:39] understand this pool is still under funded there's no children coming out of

[2:40:46] the ball for God's sake thank you my name is Cory group we actually live at

[2:41:01] 309 Alexandria Drive your model looks really nice and I agree something needs

[2:41:06] to be done with the property and what it looks like what would be great a couple

[2:41:11] of things that as I'm a chef I've worked in restaurants for 30 years this town is

[2:41:20] oversaturated in restaurants I don't know if anybody is aware of this but

[2:41:25] every single restaurant in this entire area is struggling every single day to

[2:41:32] staff it there are no employees so if you want to open three restaurants five

[2:41:37] restaurants ten restaurants we don't have the people here to staff those the

[2:41:43] restaurants in this town are struggling as it is we have a nice day population

[2:41:48] we're busy they're making money at night everybody's struggling it's crickets to

[2:41:53] the restaurants that are not being you know not being affected by online

[2:41:57] shopping that's actually not sure either door - GrubHub ubereats I'm sure

[2:42:01] everybody here is used just to give you an idea for every $10 somebody spends at

[2:42:07] any of those platforms the restaurant pays about 3 dollars and 30 cents so I

[2:42:13] know if anybody knows that either so that does cut into it along with home

[2:42:16] you'll replace can you explain it a little further

[2:42:18] so the way that those those operate those platforms operate the three big

[2:42:23] ones we'll say there's other ones out there but the three big ones so say you

[2:42:27] place an order for $100 and we prepare the food and it gets sent to your house

[2:42:31] I pay and say you used or - I paid or - thirty three dollars out of my money so

[2:42:39] that's actually how it works a lot of people don't know that so that actually

[2:42:42] cuts into a lot of stuff but here with the just the the sheer number of

[2:42:46] restaurants that we have which is nice for options but you continue to add to

[2:42:50] them its market saturation you might be able to bring in Millennials and stuff

[2:42:54] like that but with Latinos are ordering online they're doing a whole meal

[2:42:57] replacement you know they they get was it hello fresh and those things but I

[2:43:04] just think everybody should be fully aware of what it is like to actually

[2:43:07] operate a restaurant I have four restaurants that I operate and I also

[2:43:11] feed 165 kids at emani's - Tori school Monday through Friday and it's we do

[2:43:16] huge volume we are we're a big group but we still struggle to get by every single

[2:43:22] day there's just not the employees and then one other question I had to that

[2:43:26] with your apartments are you renting those are you selling those you I rent

[2:43:32] to you okay I want to know that but anyways I just wanted to say that piece

[2:43:36] cuz I don't think anybody really understands what it is to work in a

[2:43:39] restaurant what we deal with every single day you know it's it's a struggle

[2:43:43] every single day so I just wanted to say that piece so everybody's aware asked

[2:43:51] you you have any of your operations local here I've got one I've got a

[2:43:55] couple I've got three in Lake County one in Chicago I tried to want to open one

[2:43:58] in town but it didn't work out because we couldn't get a variance for a six by

[2:44:03] six cooler outside because of impervious surface surfaces before I spoke - yeah

[2:44:13] we we actually we sat down with everybody had a meeting with who I

[2:44:18] worked for I worked for all tools pub group but we

[2:44:21] were going to open a little barbecue place in town and we had little the

[2:44:28] breakfast place has got in its they do a great job around 45

[2:44:32] we want to open a barbecue place and we had asked if we could get a 6 by 6

[2:44:38] platform outside the building for a cooler well and it was denied so the

[2:44:42] reason I the reason I was actually asking the question was I was just

[2:44:45] curious what where do the employees come from what's the the draw how far away to

[2:44:51] do the employees a lot of them I have employees that can I have one employee

[2:44:56] those are my prospects I have a bunch that live in Round Lake Lindenhurst I've

[2:45:04] got a couple from Mundelein one from Waukegan two from our keegan my Lake

[2:45:10] Villa restaurant has people from Round Lake gurney

[2:45:15] my greenie restaurant has Waukegan gurney Round Lake

[2:45:20] that's pretty much more pulling from ya

[2:45:27] wait could you spell your last name and we'd ask everybody else that comes up to

[2:45:31] please spell their last name speak slowly so that the people who know thank

[2:45:40] you it's Group E it's gr ups and Patrick E

[2:45:43] thank you sure

[2:45:55] yeah yeah right kick us out here hello everyone

[2:46:03] michael Shank 587 central park SCH enk resident the plan you know you have to

[2:46:11] evolve to survive I think everyone in this town knows that I think everyone in

[2:46:16] this town knows at the mall I can use the word dying is just as you said down

[2:46:20] I think a third in sales it's it's not really a destination

[2:46:24] you know I applaud you to coming out here and trying to make it a destination

[2:46:29] I do have a concern I know Julie the first person who spoke is is potential

[2:46:36] of an increase in enrollment in our schools I don't know if you've done your

[2:46:40] homework I don't I don't think you've reached out to the school board I think

[2:46:43] you should to understand where we're at with our enrollment you had said Levin

[2:46:52] correct mr. Levin mall belong to the community enrich the lives of the Vernon

[2:46:59] Hills residents focused on the community you need to reach out to the community

[2:47:04] more town-hall type meeting to get suggestions from the community it's

[2:47:10] important I don't know how you can ensure that families as you're writing

[2:47:16] here you wrote I'm not sure who wrote this the luxury apartments will be

[2:47:21] marketed to young professionals and empty nesters as something that offers

[2:47:25] an urban living experience with space to live okay how do we ensure that there

[2:47:31] will no be no families with kids going into the district we are busting at the

[2:47:35] seams I'm not going to talk about a rehash what's been going on over the

[2:47:39] last year I think you should reach out to the school board to really understand

[2:47:44] to make sure that those outlets do not become townhouses that the apartments do

[2:47:50] not become more than what you're saying 850 square feet which is like a size of

[2:47:56] a large hotel room okay the other thing like I said you have to evolve

[2:48:02] I'm all for new stores and restaurants I think everybody wants a fresh change but

[2:48:07] there is a point I am in the Strahm business also the labor market is

[2:48:10] terrible unemployment is low we can't get anybody to work reliable it's an

[2:48:16] issue and I know it's happening in retail so you have to be careful with

[2:48:19] that because we don't want to see places fail nobody in this town wants to see

[2:48:23] Toys R Us go out nobody in this town wants to see a restaurant that they used

[2:48:27] to like go out of business it's very important you get in touch with the

[2:48:31] community into Town Hall type of fashion maybe it might spark some other ideas

[2:48:36] phase three or even in Phase two thank you

[2:48:57] good evening Carl Borchers 270 Danbury that's Bo AR CH ER s thank you for

[2:49:03] coming here in person a echo the compliments from the rest of the

[2:49:07] residents here I had two separate questions one in relation to the

[2:49:12] overhaul I'd like to hear a little bit more about the environmental impact what

[2:49:16] you're doing to the mall from a long-term perspective whether its lead

[2:49:19] certifications or other things you're doing in this overhaul that might be

[2:49:22] more sustainable as you talk about being a member of the community and 30 years

[2:49:26] down the road and especially appealing to the next generations that want to

[2:49:29] make sure that we're doing things that are as you know to use the terms carbon

[2:49:32] neutral or what are we doing to make sure we're making a right environmental

[2:49:35] impact to our community and then the second thing I'd hear a little bit like

[2:49:38] to hear a little bit more about as you talk about engaging and bringing energy

[2:49:43] is if you've pursued or had any interest from organizations that would create

[2:49:48] entertainment space within the mall development whether that's for musical

[2:49:52] acts to come through on a regional basis or comedy or small productions from a

[2:49:58] theater perspective just to see that's another opportunity to draw crowds into

[2:50:01] the mall assess the set up so that you know people go to the restaurants people

[2:50:06] do some shopping they go see a show in addition to the movie theater so we just

[2:50:09] like to hear some more thoughts about both of those elements when you have a

[2:50:12] chance either tonight or in a follow up session thank you

[2:50:23] hi I'm Kim McAuliffe MC a you LIF fe6 mal friendly inverted hills actually had

[2:50:30] no intentions of getting up here tonight and speaking at all but I did want to

[2:50:35] expand on something that Mike had said you know one thing that you guys had

[2:50:40] mentioned it really struck with me too was the comment about this mall being

[2:50:44] about the community and my kid talked about you guys ensure you know reaching

[2:50:48] out to the community reaching out to the school board I don't know if you saw

[2:50:53] there was a group of kids here tonight and these kids were actually planning on

[2:50:57] coming up and speaking they had prepared speeches you know I don't know how many

[2:51:03] times you've had to you know come and present to a town before but I don't

[2:51:08] know how many kids you've probably had you know ten-year-old kids who have

[2:51:12] prepared a speech in front of a village hall like this and I think that's

[2:51:16] something that's probably pretty unique so I would definitely encourage yeah but

[2:51:29] I'm just saying that it probably would be beneficial to have some sort of a

[2:51:33] town hall have you guys come back we're even more residents can come and the

[2:51:37] kids and have the opportunity to share their thoughts so just wanted to make

[2:51:41] sure you guys were aware that there were kids here who are ready to speak on

[2:51:45] behalf of their community and I think that's pretty neat so thank you

[2:51:56] hello James gubbins GU BBI NS 4:13 Larchmont and I've actually lived in

[2:52:03] Vernon Hills my entire life in the same exact house at 413 large mom in fact I

[2:52:08] have pictures of my parents holding me on the second floor of our house under

[2:52:12] construction and the only thing you can see our cornfields and Hawthorn wall

[2:52:16] okay so Hawthorn has been a part of this community since I've been here which is

[2:52:22] 45 years and I'm gonna piggyback on what a lot of other people who said this is a

[2:52:26] community and I don't know that you've actually talked to anyone in this

[2:52:30] community did you find that out because we're a family community and we're a

[2:52:34] tight-knit family community and you're talking about bringing in Millennials

[2:52:40] and empty nesters and whatnot that's not what our community is about here and

[2:52:46] it's great if they want if they weren't coming in they want to live here that's

[2:52:49] fantastic but the fact is people come here to raise their families and I think

[2:52:54] that's what a lot of people are concerned about what we're talking about

[2:52:56] adding more housing we just passed a referendum because our schools are

[2:53:00] busting at the seams okay and I'm very concerned about that I have a parent i'm

[2:53:05] parents to children in our school districts and i'm proud of being a

[2:53:08] parent of children in our school districts but the fact of the matter is

[2:53:12] we're all very concerned about adding to the community if we're bringing in more

[2:53:18] children because we are busting at the seams with our schools we're building

[2:53:22] onto our schools now as you heard from from the high school today we're adding

[2:53:27] constantly and that's increasing our tax dollars and I'm afraid that soon I'm not

[2:53:32] going to be able to live in this community that I've grown up in my

[2:53:34] entire life that's insane can I rebut just one piece of that James because and

[2:53:41] I've known Jim for a long time and played golf with him for years

[2:53:44] I'm an empty nester and I'm part of this community and I was an educator for

[2:53:50] 30-some years I was on this board when we built Greg's landing and we've been

[2:53:55] pretty good about the estimating the numbers and and this is not an

[2:53:59] estimation we're basing some of this on what's already here the 294 units at

[2:54:07] what used to be called Amalie now Milton is only 22 kids the 200-plus

[2:54:12] units at at at worth is only six so I think we're and and and that people were

[2:54:19] at early meetings when aunt Werth was being talked about

[2:54:21] I estimated at worth was going to be about three times what it has been and

[2:54:25] everybody said it was going to be seventy or eighty or a hundred kids

[2:54:29] those were the numbers being try and and I just want to say we're we're only in

[2:54:35] the beginnings on this and believe me this is one chair that's going to be

[2:54:39] making sure that this doesn't do anything detrimental to the school

[2:54:43] districts because I've given that school district 32 years of my life so and I'm

[2:54:47] still going there on a daily basis so it's it we will be covering that I

[2:54:53] guarantee it and I understand that well that's not where I was going with for

[2:55:02] the majority we are a family community yes and what I heard during this

[2:55:06] presentation was three different things I heard on canisters

[2:55:09] I heard multifamily which scare me a little bit yeah and multi-family

[2:55:14] multifamily just means multiple units in a building which is fine yeah that

[2:55:19] that's all that's all that multifamily only means that it's not a single-family

[2:55:24] home you have you have three different basically you have zero lot line which

[2:55:29] is two homes that are attached you have single family homes and anything else

[2:55:33] becomes multi-family as soon as there's multiple units in a building yeah just

[2:55:40] and that's that's what the term multi-family is gets misunderstood real

[2:55:45] easily yeah one other point I'd like to tack on is that part of the issue and I

[2:55:54] believe it's a significant part of the issue with regard to the schools is that

[2:55:59] we're coming of age and by that I mean that Grosse Pointe Village Hawthorne

[2:56:07] Club although they're not in district 73 but stone fence farm and since

[2:56:15] Centennial's in 73 though right yeah yes but they're all coming of age

[2:56:23] I'm the original owner of my home I live in Hawthorne club down the street here I

[2:56:29] am the only retiree although I'm not truly retired but I am relatively

[2:56:38] speaking I'm 68 years old just in case anybody's keeping track and I'm the only

[2:56:44] person of that genre that age group that really is living on any of the blocks

[2:56:50] near me everybody who was of my age group the Goldmans to one side and the

[2:56:59] Patels on the other side and I can go on and on

[2:57:04] they had their kids they moved out and there was a lull period and now we have

[2:57:11] a whole new series of residents I have two kids to my right I have three kids

[2:57:17] to my left there's two more on the other side and on and on it goes because we've

[2:57:24] reached that point where these communities have reached that age where

[2:57:29] the people that were the original buyers who bought in their 30s and 40s are now

[2:57:35] moving on and in many cases moving into apartments like these folks are talking

[2:57:41] about and that is those homes are being back filled by young folks like the

[2:57:47] people in the back and along the back row there and hither and yon here that

[2:57:52] are having two three four kids and there was a whole process that just got

[2:57:58] overlooked after Yom tomb left as part of that plan that he put in place there

[2:58:08] was supposed to be the ever the the end-all be-all and now all of a sudden

[2:58:14] and then followed by the Zook administration and and now our poor

[2:58:19] school board who know these folks have been in place really for more than six

[2:58:24] eight years they're all kind of holy cow what did we fall into and how do we have

[2:58:29] to deal with it but it's that generational change that

[2:58:32] occurring and it's occurring in deer path - deer path isn't that much older

[2:58:36] than the Hawthorn Club and the other deer path is a lot older well then maybe

[2:58:43] it's going I live words about two blacks from government yeah but my house was

[2:58:47] built in 1976 you know Souter in 1989 correct 88 so maybe maybe you're on the

[2:58:56] second changeover in in deer palate but I guess that's talking about our

[2:59:00] neighbors grace they got 15 kids Oh mice right right you know but but well you

[2:59:05] know what also voted but but it's part of the natural law I understand but hang

[2:59:17] on that that goes to mr. governs point that also goes to Julie's point even if

[2:59:24] this doesn't bring in that many additional students we still have to

[2:59:29] make sure it financially helps the school district because even if we don't

[2:59:33] bring in any more new kids there are kids already there

[2:59:37] so so we trust me that's one of the things at least from this chair that

[2:59:42] we're gonna be paying strict attention to because because I understand that

[2:59:45] situation is there I deal with every day over there so would you like to speak to

[2:59:53] the part of district 73 and where they came from or you know but it doesn't

[3:00:01] make no difference there there I mean they didn't come from new housing 81 did

[3:00:13] 181 kids out of the last 14 years yeah last 14 years so we're coming from but

[3:00:20] we still have to sorry I what's it

[3:00:33] yeah yeah yeah

[3:00:53] so okay so you're still gonna explode in numbers if we don't build anything no no

[3:00:59] I mean if nothing else is right and that's and that's one of the goals and

[3:01:03] again that's what I'm talking about one of the goals would be to have this be

[3:01:06] the kind of thing what good what miss Simpson talked about was exactly right

[3:01:10] it's got to be something that brings in additional tax dollars and that's

[3:01:15] positive so that so that what it can do is bring in significantly more than its

[3:01:22] being expended on the students to help pay for the students from the other

[3:01:25] places that are that are there because right and because the people that you're

[3:01:30] talking about with your demographic study are the people that are the best

[3:01:33] in the business because I've dealt with them many times they're out of North

[3:01:35] Carolina and they're they're always right on that on their numbers and

[3:01:39] that's that's where I'm getting a lot of my history with this kind of numbers and

[3:01:43] that comes from the same people you're talking about because Hawthorne has used

[3:01:47] them on a number of occasions and they're they're very very good so

[3:01:52] because their schools are great news schools are great in this town so guess

[3:01:58] what if you put your house out in the market if people want to move here and

[3:02:04] they might be young people and then are gonna have some kids and and me an

[3:02:09] empty-nester Wolves out it's a how we ever you're not gonna change that unless

[3:02:15] we let the schools go into toilet we didn't because we all supported

[3:02:19] everybody up here the 48 million dollar referendum

[3:02:23] I think talk about do 200 million dollars it won't help the town I don't

[3:02:38] think that any one thing I don't think anyone's saying that they did they just

[3:02:42] want to make sure that that's no I don't think that's what people are saying no I

[3:02:51] don't think I don't think I don't think that's what the housing they had to be

[3:02:55] very cautious of what they're building to understand the impact where

[3:02:58] potentially that housing could add that's all most of us are saying and

[3:03:02] nobody wants a farmland back I think I got that

[3:03:06] I think I think they know Juanes may be more of a guarantee that it'll be like a

[3:03:10] 55 enough because when you say all kids won't move but there's no guarantee that

[3:03:15] they don't and that's what I'm basing it on if I recall it I think it was

[3:03:20] November 1 on the first phase you had expressed senior housing was something

[3:03:25] that they wanted and they came not with senior housing

[3:03:28] oh no they're this little talk about Bill but aren't you talking about some

[3:03:31] of this potentially being 55 and up no none of it my microphone the initial

[3:03:44] market status did not support it and it just has 55 and up but but did they do

[3:03:51] the market study show mostly truly Millennials and people without kids is

[3:03:58] that what you're really looking at okay so it doesn't really matter to me

[3:04:01] whether they're over 50 or their or their 20 as long as it's not those are

[3:04:07] good kids like 35 right exactly so it's well right as long as it's not big

[3:04:11] enough to really support it just needs to be noted to support eight year old to

[3:04:17] 20 year old right and there's no there's no lawns there there's no backyard

[3:04:23] there's no swing set so there's people will always migrate to good school

[3:04:27] districts right the question is is will the benefits outweigh the cost

[3:04:32] way to guarantee without discriminatory housing practices right if people with

[3:04:37] kids won't be there the kids won't be there the question is what are people

[3:04:41] with kids looking for and do the benefits outweigh that when I say the

[3:04:47] benefits I mean the benefits not only to the community but I mean specifically

[3:04:50] property tax dollars that flow directly to the school district is that outweigh

[3:04:56] the cost which is there may be a few things to educate but you guys need to

[3:05:01] educate on our specific case in our district I think you guys need to do

[3:05:06] that and and and and one I'm gonna say one last thing and I'm done but I the

[3:05:10] referendum would not have passed without everyone's support on this board too so

[3:05:14] we that's fully acknowledged

[3:05:21] yeah a third district 73 and who generates the most tape I'm not like I

[3:05:28] said the tax revenue coming out here is well needed everywhere you know the

[3:05:32] sales tax and property tax how much taxes you gotta know that right you have

[3:05:39] to know that that's part of you know your kind the reason I were kind of good

[3:05:44] on it those are the natural was the clearance time is I'm sorry I'm not

[3:06:02] great speaker could you move the microphone close your mouth my name is

[3:06:06] Anita Tova a nine montgomerylane CIT OVA I kinda hope that somebody else would

[3:06:12] bring this matter but I'm not great speaker I actually want to support

[3:06:18] somebody else who toes like maybe you should be more open to other suggestions

[3:06:22] because I'm looking at what you're doing and it's gonna benefit you and us as a

[3:06:27] community no question here it's it's gonna be

[3:06:32] better than it is now but I'm kinda hate to bring it to you

[3:06:37] people buy groceries online more and more we kind of trying to say your time

[3:06:43] to spend it more of is families or somebody something else and grocery

[3:06:48] store it's in a town that already has six or seven right create grocery stores

[3:06:56] and we were talking about okay we're gonna attract people in five mile radius

[3:07:01] seven mile radius but nobody's gonna go even if it's mitsuo would like if it's

[3:07:08] because they have less Jam Mitsu it's always Asian market it's it's famous

[3:07:13] Asian market yes we're like it but if it's something like

[3:07:16] any other store nobody's gonna drive here and it's gonna park here for

[3:07:23] groceries and what I'm trying to say people are paying for experience they

[3:07:30] gonna drive somewhere for experience like for me I'm a mother of

[3:07:35] two kids okay there are a lot of parents we're going to Children's Museum to

[3:07:39] Wisconsin she Chicago Aurora whatever 60 minute

[3:07:44] drive not a question if there are no children museums there's in Glenview

[3:07:51] cause childrens it's kind of old and outdated and everything else it's one

[3:07:55] hour drive around bring some sand for kids so parents from all Hitchcock

[3:08:01] Island would drive here go be go bald it's it's free these times Google Ed

[3:08:07] Koch California call New York like whatever they have guys would do have

[3:08:11] and it's gonna be something different right now you're doing exactly what

[3:08:16] you're doing at Northmoor court and when everyone else we're gonna put more

[3:08:22] housing around and we're gonna put a grocery store it's the same what is

[3:08:28] gonna be different than our mall what's gonna be different from other moves so

[3:08:34] it's like maybe not not we're not criticizing you but maybe if you're open

[3:08:41] to suggestion because we know what's going on one hour here and there yes it

[3:08:46] is a family community a lot of kids here but you wanna bring people from other

[3:08:52] neighborhoods and yes housing I'm not afraid of Millennials they're gonna fall

[3:08:56] in love the girl and I have kids in Canada then they're gonna come to those

[3:09:00] meetings to complain this is how it works so but those people those

[3:09:09] Millennials or first of us like senior communities as Millennials you have to

[3:09:16] choose because you know it's gonna have bad reputation Millennials wanna party

[3:09:20] people overseas they're gonna be in bed like watching Netflix done and seriously

[3:09:27] it's you have to work anything I used to leave an apartment complex I know how it

[3:09:31] is so we're not made of money is it not gonna be made of money it's

[3:09:37] not like even if it's so close to mow it's not like they're gonna go out every

[3:09:42] night that's why I'm talking about Samson that gives people an experience

[3:09:49] and if his children museum it could be after school program or summer camp or

[3:09:55] families with children says those are people were going to spend more money

[3:10:00] than some empty nesters yes they're gonna have fun but we cannot go in by

[3:10:07] dress or dinner every night this is we we need to drop some people from other I

[3:10:15] don't know from Wisconsin even and another thing I do for a few reasons

[3:10:23] yeah and another thing no I mean it's it seems like far away but we're going

[3:10:30] there to their museums do they come here maybe Chicago but what another thing

[3:10:36] even like there was a kind of mistake with the melody form and sorry

[3:10:44] we got the parking lot with the restaurant on the side it should be

[3:10:49] other way around and in your project and your slides I see the same problem same

[3:10:55] problem I understand it just some slides but the thing is like cars going on the

[3:11:02] street people are across and believe me I went to melody from three times and

[3:11:06] I'm holding my kid because drivers are frustrated they cannot Drive pedestrians

[3:11:12] are frustrated they cannot cross it stop everywhere people here and there in cars

[3:11:17] and it's frustrating you won't I wish every developer would

[3:11:23] load from Ikea you want us to spend money keep our keys busy like you see

[3:11:29] you show this green space okay it's just commercial when there is a kid running

[3:11:35] around this green space there it's not going to happen

[3:11:37] there it should be something for kids so they could be busy and inside the mode

[3:11:45] it should be a great idea or at the yes we can have wine or cars or whatever if

[3:11:51] kids are busy we can shop like one parent watch yes what you this is at the

[3:11:58] end you want to spend more money you want us to spend

[3:12:02] more money for Texas right but we cannot spend our money for holding our kids

[3:12:08] with our hands okay there are cars and you know what nothing to do and that's

[3:12:13] it just keep them busy like IKEA does so we can go there and

[3:12:19] buy furniture so sorry that was about it and if green space it should be green

[3:12:25] space pedestrians it should be place for pedestrians not like here park in here

[3:12:32] park and here's table from some restaurant here parking I I didn't see

[3:12:38] how it's gonna be pedestrians family friendly thank you

[3:12:42] thank you thank you you did pretty good for summer yay who is afraid of public

[3:12:50] speaking you did real good and I just want to clarify something because I

[3:12:55] didn't want to sound like I was making up the senior housing it's right in your

[3:12:58] presentation the project development thing that some of it may be dedicated

[3:13:02] to see now see okay I just when you said okay well when you said no when I said

[3:13:07] that it sounded like hello Andrew Davis div is 35 Montebello Drive and I have no

[3:13:34] idea how I'm going to follow that act I am a father of two kids a third on the

[3:13:40] way so I'm contributing to the overcrowding I apologize for taking

[3:13:47] ownership that's right well I had to give dr. Oppenheim more business that's

[3:13:52] the first thing thank you thanks for the plug as well so

[3:13:57] teachers like you right off and I'm not gonna hammer on the school district

[3:14:03] considerations because that's been well discussed as it is right now what I'm

[3:14:08] gonna bring up is I actually lived in Columbus Ohio for four years so I'm

[3:14:11] actually very familiar with Eastern town mall

[3:14:13] something that was brought up during the presentation was that you want to make

[3:14:16] it a destination which attracts people not just five and seven miles out the 20

[3:14:20] miles out right that was I believe components of the presentation and what

[3:14:25] I would like to point out is that when I lived in Ohio the idea that there were

[3:14:30] apartments or additional local people living at Easton wasn't necessarily a

[3:14:35] draw to someone like me who lived in the northwest side of the city there would

[3:14:40] be times and we would decide to skip for those familiar with Columbus there's

[3:14:44] malls basically at the four corners of the town we would skip going to a

[3:14:49] Polaris Parkway or a total crossing which are some of the main competitors

[3:14:52] of Easton and go to Easton because it did have some interesting food options

[3:14:56] and and retail options but it wasn't necessarily because of the overall

[3:15:00] atmosphere there was different experiences such as like the funny bone

[3:15:05] or other comedy clubs I believe there's there's a Dave &

[3:15:08] Buster's which we already have but I guess my point is is that how essential

[3:15:13] since this is a conceptual meeting how essential is the concept of adding

[3:15:18] residential space versus other potential opportunities is it requisites to making

[3:15:25] this a success and the reason I ask is because we're talking high level concept

[3:15:29] just because it is a quote unquote textbook approach does that mean it's

[3:15:35] the only approach or the right approach or is there a novel or other alternative

[3:15:39] I'm not necessarily saying I'm against the housing assuming it could be you

[3:15:45] know Millennials or or 55 and up where it's low amounts of children it's just

[3:15:51] I'm curious what are the alternatives that could exist that could still be

[3:15:55] economically viable that that's more what I'm wondering so thank you and and

[3:16:04] one thing to keep in mind as we talk about this in terms of dollars for a

[3:16:08] School District hotels are the best because their their

[3:16:16] value per square foot is the highest with zero children then second is

[3:16:23] high-end residential because again dollars per square foot

[3:16:27] actually at the bottom is retail because of all the value of retail is is the

[3:16:32] shell because everything inside of it is is is is not taxable in terms of Arista

[3:16:39] a property tax which again going back to what was said by Miss Simpson its

[3:16:43] property tax is the problem but with the system we've got now the the residential

[3:16:49] actually if it brings in no kids or brings in few kids is actually a cash

[3:16:55] plus for the district and and that's what that's one of the things I'd like

[3:17:00] to be shooting for in terms of the residential president we didn't have any

[3:17:22] money you know so you know I mean that's part of the issue and and got 4,500 kids

[3:17:30] right now I mean the serious property what was your tax liability reduction

[3:17:37] that you got from the Assessor and the same with the Carson's property so

[3:17:48] school district right now if we do absolutely nothing is going to lose a

[3:17:54] significant amount of the when this topic came up about a month ago I

[3:18:05] checked with the Vernon Township Assessor right who indicated that when

[3:18:10] boxes go vacant typically you expect to see about a 50% reduction in the

[3:18:17] assessed value of that property kind of right off the bat yeah so if that's the

[3:18:22] case that translates into fifty percent reduction in those tax dollars as well

[3:18:26] maybe the Libertyville Township successor is a little less lenient but

[3:18:32] you know across the board yes understood this yeah it's the purpose of this

[3:18:39] meeting really was to establish whether or not

[3:18:42] there was a satisfactory amount of information provided to allow the the

[3:18:48] petitioner annex at his discretion discretion whether or not to go to

[3:18:54] technical review and I think if there's no one else wishing to speak we probably

[3:19:00] need to form a consensus here there we don't vote even and go into technical

[3:19:07] reviews right when this is near there so I pull dr. I'll start with you well do

[3:19:13] we have any more citizens we're gonna be back here about eight more times and by

[3:19:23] the way this is our town hall and we're having a meeting here so in a way it's a

[3:19:28] town hall meeting week anytime we have committee of the whole

[3:19:31] it it's that's our town-hall meeting any anything that ever comes before this

[3:19:35] board that's the reason we do it as a committee of the whole as to a lot of as

[3:19:39] opposed to other communities that have a Finance Committee and a building

[3:19:43] committee and this committee and that committee we do it as a committee of the

[3:19:46] whole so that the entire board can hear the same presentation and can hear all

[3:19:52] of the citizens comments on anything that comes before us that's why we do it

[3:19:57] in a committee of the whole fashion every meeting that we have a resident is

[3:20:03] allowed to come up and speak if something is not on there every meeting

[3:20:30] yep

[3:20:37] well we mentioned that this was going to be up this was their last roof tonight

[3:20:41] and our last presentation you should know that because this is just and why

[3:20:51] don't you come up so people couldn't in - you wanna introduce introduce yourself

[3:20:57] since you're making comedy yeah I the point I'm making is this is a

[3:21:03] generational improvement this is this is something that is going to last and be

[3:21:09] with the town for a long time Thank You mr. Levine for coming all the

[3:21:12] way from Texas but the malls been here 50 years but this improvement but I know

[3:21:18] what the improvement it's important enough that rather than to put an agenda

[3:21:25] out on Friday and say well on Tuesday that's your chance to come out you know

[3:21:32] something a little well well-thought-out broadcast maybe an opportunity for an

[3:21:38] even larger crowd you put together you know a true workshop and I'll help you

[3:21:45] get lots of people really if that's what you want and we did that we did that for

[3:21:51] the we did that for for the shop so Craig's landing in front we had we had a

[3:21:56] weird a special meeting bring heaters and it'd be warmer than here so now the

[3:22:20] people that came here tonight that's why we asked for their names then so we'll

[3:22:25] tell them every time these guys are ever coming back before us while we do it you

[3:22:30] should understand we don't know but you understand what I'm saying right Roger

[3:22:36] let me let me say something because I've been getting a lot of feedback from the

[3:22:39] community as well love it wouldn't hurt if that's what they want we'll get the

[3:22:44] high school auditorium will say this is the date

[3:22:46] I'm sure Santana will be more than happy to come in and get feedback from the

[3:22:50] munity yes or no there you go Roger app he Don's right you can't

[3:22:57] expect sending out a notice even on Facebook a week before let's let's send

[3:23:01] it out a month in advance I bet you we could get a big crowd and let's just get

[3:23:05] the feedback and not hurt forget I guess Roger didn't know not enough but I

[3:23:13] wanted some more okay I want to give a month advance notice I want to get the

[3:23:18] auditorium at the high school Libertyville did it when they had a big

[3:23:21] building project I'm Butterfield that they got shut down okay they gave

[3:23:26] advance notice I if Rick cambric was here maybe he put it in the paper let's

[3:23:31] give an advance notice and let's just let's just have a town hall meeting and

[3:23:34] half centennial come in and let as many of the commute as many people in the

[3:23:38] community come in it cannot hurt yeah you wanted to SARM all your critics

[3:23:42] exactly would say this was this was done you know exactly do you ever deserve all

[3:23:51] the critics and anything no I mean Gregg's Landing love Menard so let's get

[3:24:05] back to my point there's only about 27,000 people in town I get it no you

[3:24:14] don't I knew right thing is we we get enough feedback from you know on text

[3:24:20] and everything yeah that would be a great idea I think more people would

[3:24:23] show up and Don is present of HOA you're gonna stay we're gonna have a median a

[3:24:37] there's nothing to be upset about her to argue the point there's no reason not to

[3:24:41] do but no but you know if if if something has to be discussed we could

[3:24:48] discuss it and and you know what we have and we could share this with the all the

[3:24:54] residents here the papers we have in our hand right we'll put this online

[3:25:00] everybody can copy it and it shows how many

[3:25:03] kids coming out of every subdivision we approve roses 10 years well I think they

[3:25:09] got that point they got that funny I think they did get that you know I think

[3:25:14] they got that point but I but there would be no money in that school

[3:25:24] district anybody disagree with that statement it's it's it's irrelevant to

[3:25:30] what we're talking about yeah yeah I'd like to go back to work

[3:25:33] I started a few minutes ago so right now what we received tonight was a very this

[3:25:40] was this might have even been outer space I mean it was at the hundred and

[3:25:46] fifty thousand foot level it wasn't even the 50 thousand foot level you guys have

[3:25:51] got a lot more homework to do with that being said that's part and parcel of

[3:25:56] what technical review is and technical review is where our staff starts looking

[3:26:02] at what they're talking about what sees well what's not feasible what's within

[3:26:07] the scope of our codes what's outside the codes what requires special

[3:26:14] approvals variances a lot of this is going to require variances just of the

[3:26:20] nature of itself and that'll all go through public hearings via Planning and

[3:26:25] Zoning but Before we jump the gun to a town hall I'd like for a staff to start

[3:26:33] with the technical review right if we have consensus amongst the board here

[3:26:38] that this was a sufficient amount of information provided to us to give our

[3:26:45] blessing so to speak to move forward with that being said they don't need our

[3:26:50] blessing to go to technical review it's them it's their own so everybody who

[3:26:56] doesn't want if we in and this is a good thing to do for the town I'd certainly

[3:27:11] appreciate you coming up here and and I'm thrilled that you want to invest in

[3:27:17] the into the mall because without it we all

[3:27:20] know what would happen um I do have some concerns about the layout and a few

[3:27:24] other things here but but I'm all for you doing whatever you can to to make

[3:27:30] this not only viable but an exciting facility for the next generation to come

[3:27:35] to so I really appreciate that so we just mean we need some more details and

[3:27:42] and tweak certain things and and make sure you know make make sure even what

[3:27:49] you're planning is viable but thank you for coming yeah number one this is

[3:27:55] private property it's your property so you know you are the key stakeholder

[3:28:02] here with that being said you know you've got a lot of good feedback

[3:28:06] tonight from these for good folks that showed up tonight and I'd like to see

[3:28:12] again more meat on the bone but that'll occur as part of technical review and

[3:28:17] priority going to Planning and Zoning I think that would be the perfect

[3:28:21] opportunity then to have a town hall if that's what the community is looking for

[3:28:26] and it definitely sounds like that it's a reasonable thing to do but at this

[3:28:30] juncture I think we've gotten enough of a feel for where you want to take it

[3:28:36] that I'm all in favor of you moving forward to technical review and to in

[3:28:41] fact add that meat to the bone I agree with what's been said the the one thing

[3:28:48] I would add is that we're this is way too early we haven't even begun to talk

[3:28:52] about the financing and incentives and stuff which is a huge component we'll

[3:28:58] get to that afterwards but yeah there's still an awful lot of numbers your plan

[3:29:04] needs to lose any concept of townhomes I mean that

[3:29:10] don't not not even not even you know yeah shaver was even Adam Thunder

[3:29:16] picture because now you know that's gonna okay you know and we had of two

[3:29:22] and AF our meeting to say afternoon would staff and end with the guys from

[3:29:26] Centennial there was no discussions of townhomes at all okay just just an

[3:29:31] apartment just apartment okay yeah well you got to take that off at her well

[3:29:37] also I also had one other item of request lists I mean talking about being

[3:29:41] a destination think about the possibility of an of an ice rink

[3:29:45] of some kind because we've got glacier right there and and I know they could

[3:29:49] use a third sheet and that might help but make a make it be a another thing

[3:29:53] that you could add to be part of the destination but otherwise I'm going to

[3:29:57] go forward and look at it but there's a lot of questions still to be answered

[3:30:00] okay I've said too much tonight of course I want you to go forward I don't

[3:30:06] you don't want that at home all they'll go fallow

[3:30:08] you'll lose your three million dollars the district 73 I know you don't know

[3:30:15] that do your president it's a good what death well that's why we're here but I

[3:30:23] don't want to take two years to approve this because it will fail

[3:30:34] something has to be done this is a start again we're gonna communicate over and

[3:30:41] over and the input from our residents is extremely important but I would like to

[3:30:48] see this go forward there is definitely something that could be done and I think

[3:30:53] we can all work together do it

[3:31:05] look look everyone knows that something needs to be done there there's you know

[3:31:10] that that is not the question I just think the community would just like to

[3:31:14] make sure they have some input you know your concept is great obviously you're

[3:31:19] gonna tweak it based upon the feedback you get from the community and also the

[3:31:22] village board and really the staff here that works with you guys on a daily

[3:31:26] basis as long as the community has some input you know it's I think you're

[3:31:33] you're gonna be fine so as far as a technical review absolutely I think

[3:31:36] people have to understand the process because stuff went out on Facebook as

[3:31:40] far as how stuff gets approved and you know this is just concept you know they

[3:31:46] just want to get a feel for you know what the staff cuz they did all the work

[3:31:49] initially you can't stop anyone from coming to the village and cocoa and good

[3:31:53] staff hey we want to come and do this in the village and then it comes before us

[3:31:56] and say hey what do you think based upon their meetings with the staff so by no

[3:31:59] means we were not privy to any of this information so nothing was quote-unquote

[3:32:03] pre-approved well you know you know before this meeting ever started so I

[3:32:08] think that you know the village board is wide open to the community and so is

[3:32:13] Roger no question about it so I think as long as we get through this technical

[3:32:18] review and you're open to having the community giving them a chance to have

[3:32:21] them put them - should do very well

[3:32:27] thank you echo what everybody else said I think

[3:32:31] that residents don't want more kids 55 and over would be ideal as a mom of four

[3:32:39] kids little ones I would like to see more activities for them a person that

[3:32:45] does not like the cold weather somewhere we can take them when it's really cold

[3:32:49] outside I love your concept but the residents are ultimately what the ones

[3:32:56] that kind of make the decision because that's what we based our vote off of so

[3:33:00] but we can go to technical review and continue the process

[3:33:06] the speech obviously your spirit experience developers you understand the

[3:33:13] concept review is just that it's theoretical it's an idea to get a little

[3:33:18] bit of advance preview into the thought process of the the residents as well as

[3:33:25] the board members granting concept approval if you will or saying it's okay

[3:33:31] to go ahead to technical review is not a guarantee that the project ultimately

[3:33:35] will be approved that any zoning approvals would be given or that there

[3:33:38] will be any variances from any of those zoning approvals that has to go through

[3:33:43] the the the process as you know to the residents that are here and everyone

[3:33:48] else I would add that going through technical review we've tossed that turn

[3:33:53] around several times tonight that's a process that can take several weeks

[3:33:58] several months to go through for for for the developer to come through put it do

[3:34:04] the necessary engineering the necessary architecture all of the necessary things

[3:34:09] that go into building a project of this scope so there certainly is as the mayor

[3:34:15] said a number of opportunities for additional comment in the future having

[3:34:19] said that given the amount of time it takes to go through that there certainly

[3:34:24] is the ability I spoke with the village manager about working to get advance

[3:34:30] notice of some of these meetings it's not gonna it's not going to come out of

[3:34:34] Friday and then Tuesday they don't just show up we're gonna see things weeks

[3:34:38] ahead staff is going to be approving them and so certainly there's an

[3:34:41] opportunity through Facebook through cable channel through other meet social

[3:34:47] media other means that we have to get the message out as to when quote the

[3:34:51] next meeting will be and certainly we can do that and and make sure that the

[3:34:56] public is given adequate notice to to come forward with that so

[3:35:01] developer you understand how you understand you've been through this

[3:35:04] several times you've heard the speech so concept approval is what it is

[3:35:17] you know if I you know if I sit up here and I have to be sometimes the bad cap I

[3:35:27] will be because this isn't the first time we've done a project like this and

[3:35:32] this is a 50 year old you know institution in town and we better treat

[3:35:39] them with some love because we don't want deco and fellow that's all I'm

[3:35:44] gonna say and if I'm sitting here and I ain't no

[3:35:48] thing that some of you folks don't know I'm gonna try to clarify things you know

[3:35:53] I don't want it you just think we're starting from square one

[3:35:57] we're not that would these guys not with that mall okay it's important it's very

[3:36:04] important you know it's generated tens of millions of dollars for this

[3:36:10] probably more than it's probably you know fifty million dollars over the

[3:36:14] years just in sales tax revenue okay so you know let's be nice to these guys

[3:36:20] don't treat them like the enemy thank you

[3:36:24] is there a motion to adjourn the meeting oh all in the case a guy the eyes have

[3:36:34] it thank you the meetings over and this won't be the first I will be here

Village Board Meeting - 4/3/19

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