[0:24] I see a hand signal. >> All right. We'd like to bring this

[0:28] meeting to order. Uh board of supervisors for WA Township for

[0:31] Thursday, September 3rd. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance.

[0:37] I >> pledge allegiance to the flag of United

[0:39] States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under

[0:45] God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I'd like to uh please

[0:51] remain standing. We're going to do a moment of silence for uh a a wonderful

[0:54] person that was liked by all. We're going to name Dolly Parton tonight.

[1:04] Thank you.

[1:08] » All right. Thank you everyone. Uh announcements. We had uh executive

[1:15] session before the meeting >> and uh we went over uh uh litigation

[1:22] uh personnel and uh real estate. Yep, that's about it. Okay, that's all I

[1:28] have. Janice, would you like to go? >> Sure. Good evening, everyone. I'm so

[1:32] glad to see so many people here. Um it's nice to see all the kids back in school.

[1:37] It's been kind of quiet out in the community during the day, so keep an eye

[1:40] out for them when they get off the bus stop. They're going to be antsy and

[1:43] eager to get outside. So, thank you so much.

[1:47] » Thank you, Chuck. >> Uh, thank you. Uh, I have no

[1:51] announcement this time. Thank you, >> Kathy or Janet or I'm sorry, Mary.

[1:57] » Who am I? >> I don't know [laughter] who you are,

[2:00] » lady in the black. >> Again, it's so great to see so many

[2:04] people here. I just want to remind everybody that the library is now

[2:07] reopened and with the new carpeting, please stop by and check it out.

[2:13] » All right, Kathy. >> Yes. Thanks, Ken. Good evening, ladies

[2:17] and gentlemen, folks here, and folks at home, I have a couple announcements from

[2:21] our parks and recreation department. Warminster Day and Touch a Truck returns

[2:26] on Saturday, September 26th. Vendor and sponsors are still available and I have

[2:31] a sponsor sheet if anybody would like to help out our phenomenal parks and

[2:37] recreation department. Also, Jumpstart Sports fall te-ball, basketball, and

[2:43] volleyball at Warmister Community Park are open for registration on the parks

[2:48] and recreation website. Bucks County tennis fall lessons at

[2:52] Monroe Park will are open for registration on the Bucks County Tennis

[2:56] Wipes website. Sponsorship and golfer opportunities are

[3:01] available for the annual parks and recreation golf outing on Friday,

[3:06] October 9th at Five Ponds Golf Club. Uh, and just so everybody knows, if you'd

[3:11] like, if you haven't been to Five Golf, Five Pounds Golf Pond,

[3:15] » excuse me, >> Five Pounds Golf Club, if you haven't

[3:19] been there, this would be a great event to attend to support our parks and

[3:24] recreation and to also There's nothing in here. You're trust me people. Water.

[3:28] [laughter] >> That's it, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

[3:31] » All right. Thanks. All right. Thank you.

[3:36] All right. Uh we have uh another uh another swearing in of Officer Omar

[3:45] Sissoko. I pronounced that right. Chief Donley, I'll hand you over the

[3:51] floor. >> Good evening. No worries. It's my

[3:54] privilege again to present another officer for swearing in. Next month

[3:58] we'll have two more and then November we'll have promotions and then December

[4:04] we should have two more. But um and that will get us to about 45 at that point.

[4:10] We'll still have one more spot overall um going to the next year. But like to

[4:16] present Umar Suko. Uh he was born in Brooklyn in New York

[4:21] City, raised in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where his family instilled

[4:24] in him the values of hard work that can always help and achieve your goals. He's

[4:29] a graduate of building 21 high school in Philadelphia. After uh three days after

[4:34] graduating, he joined the United States Marine Corps. Uh and after boot camp and

[4:39] graduated, he now serves in the United States Marine Corps as a reservist. He

[4:44] then began his law enforcement career two years ago with the Philadelphia

[4:47] Sheriff's Office and he went to the Montgomery County Police Academy um last

[4:52] year graduating in June uh December of 2025. So I'd like to have uh your

[4:57] honorable Chris O'Neal and um Officer Sukco come up and the living legend Bob

[5:06] Sans.

[5:12] the door. [clears throat]

[5:22] » [clears throat]

[5:30] » I, Umar Soko, >> I, Omar Sissoko,

[5:34] » do solemnly swear >> do solemnly swear

[5:36] » that I will support, obey, and defend >> that I will support, obey, and defend

[5:40] » the Constitution of the United States >> the Constitution of the United States

[5:43] » and the Constitution of this Commonwealth

[5:45] » and >> and the Constitution of this

[5:46] Commonwealth >> and that I will discharge the duties of

[5:49] police officer >> And I will discharge the duties of

[5:52] police officer >> in Warmerster Township, Bucks County

[5:54] » in Warmster Township, Bucks County >> with fidelity

[5:56] » with fidelity. I also solemnly swear >> I also solemnly swear

[6:00] » that I will uphold, obey, and enforce >> that I will uphold, obey, and enforce

[6:05] » the laws of Pennsylvania >> the laws of Pennsylvania

[6:08] » without consideration to a person's race >> without consideration to a person's race

[6:12] » color sex >> color sex

[6:14] » religious creed >> religious creed

[6:16] » sexual orientation >> sexual orientation

[6:18] » age >> age

[6:19] » national origin >> national origin

[6:21] » ancestry >> ancestry

[6:22] » handicap or disability >> handicap OR DISABILITY

[6:24] » CONGRATULATIONS >> [applause]

[6:33] [applause]

[6:35] » OFFICER. CONGRATULATIONS. >> CONGRATULATIONS.

[6:38] » Thank you. Thank you.

[6:48] » I want to say thank everybody here and thanks for coming.

[6:55] » [applause]

[6:58] » That's only one. >> We're going to take a recess, right?

[7:00] » Yeah. We're going to take take a recess for back

[7:05] » and congratulations to Officer Sissoko. Uh, and the chief, uh, Jim, I you still

[7:12] have the floor. We'll go over u an update on the ebikes and e scooters law.

[7:19] » Okay.

[7:23] All right. Well, as everybody's quite aware, ebikes have come made their way

[7:28] to War Mister Township. Um, without any understanding of what they are and how

[7:34] fast they move and that the law that was placed into effect earlier this year has

[7:40] changed it to where there's certain requirements, as you can see, that might

[7:44] be a little bit tougher to see, uh, but it's on our Facebook page. We've posted

[7:48] it at several different places, but it basically tells you um what the

[7:55] requirements are for certain bikes. And the two or three I should say that

[8:00] really fit the bill. U everybody knows a bicycle. Any of these any of these uh

[8:06] things are classified as a vehicle under the Commonwealth law under Pennsylvania

[8:10] Vehicle Code Title 75. Uh even a bicycle. So any of them driven

[8:15] intoxicated, you could be charged with DUI. Um and we have locked people up on

[8:20] bicycles with DUI. Um find that hard to believe, but not anymore, Mr. Um U. The

[8:28] first one is a pedicycle with electric assistance. Is a vehicle weighing not

[8:33] more than 100 pounds with two or three wheels more than 11 in in diame

[8:38] diameter. manufactured or assembled with an electronic motoring system rated for

[8:43] no more than 750 watts. Um, and the equipment with operable pedals capable

[8:50] of speeds no more than 20 m an hour. Um, minimal age on that is 16 years old. Um,

[8:57] that's probably the one of the more common ones out there. So, if you have a

[9:01] child under the age of 16 and they're driving one of these bikes, they're

[9:06] technically not permitted. Um there are rights and duties. The parents can be

[9:12] cited uh for letting allowing operation of

[9:16] these vehicles on the streets. And yes, we have had accidents. We've had one

[9:20] child driving one with his buddy on the back and slammed into a car at street in

[9:25] New Town as they were trying to exit Dick and Rips gas station. Sliding right

[9:29] into the side of it. Just drove not paying attention on the sidewalk.

[9:33] Eastbound and a westbound eastbound and a westbound sidewalk. Um, so,

[9:39] um, that's probably one of our more complicated and easier ones. Um,

[9:46] helmeted, uh, actually I should say 16 is the minimum age, but they says if it

[9:50] at 12-year-old is on it, they have to be on a helmet. They have to be have

[9:52] wearing a helmet overall. The other one is a motorized pedicycle, which is the

[9:58] uh, bigger brand or the bigger bikes. It's a motor-driven cycle equipped with

[10:03] operable pedals, motor rated not more than 1.5 braking horsepower, a cylinder

[10:09] capacity not to exceed 50 cubic centimeters, and an automatic

[10:13] transmission with a max designated speed of no more than 25 mph. Um, or electric

[10:19] motor driven, equipped with operable pedals, automatic transmission, uh,

[10:24] powered by electric battery, battery pack, electric motor. Maximum designated

[10:29] speed is no more than 25 miles an hour. That's pretty much your bigger bikes,

[10:32] like your beach cruiser style bikes that they're riding around on. Um, yeah, the

[10:38] minimal age on that is 16. Um, so if you have a child under the age of 16, again,

[10:42] everything that applies to the first one applies to this one. Um, yes, it's a

[10:47] vehicle. There's a few more requirements like lights and equipment that needs to

[10:51] be on that size.

[10:55] Um, and then you have your motor driven cycles, which is your quasi motor pads

[11:01] or almost electric motorcycles that are on there. And that is, um, there's

[11:05] classifications for that. You literally have to have a motorcycle license to

[11:09] move forward with that. But there are kids out there riding it. Um, we're

[11:13] handling a lot of accidents in regards to these kids, either dumping them or

[11:17] crashing into cars. Um despite the electric, we had a kid coming down the D

[11:23] um Street Road Hill towards Davisville a week ago, week and a half ago, probably

[11:28] about 7:30, 8:00 at night, eastbound and the westbound shoulder, not paying

[11:34] attention, probably traveling at an excess speed of over 25 miles an hour

[11:39] and got run over by an electrical truck. He's critical at chop right now. So he's

[11:45] 13 years old. So these kids are not out paying attention. As you can see,

[11:50] they're driving up state road and little packs are taking over Warster Community

[11:54] Park and we're we don't chase them. You know, they're they're they're kids.

[11:58] You're going to panic and they're going to scatter and things like that. But if

[12:01] we find them, we're going to site them and we're going to site your parents.

[12:04] So, um I put we put a quip out last week when we p published this again. It said,

[12:10] "Parents, educate yourself. Educate your child. You don't want us to educate

[12:15] them. And more importantly, you don't want life to educate them. Like this

[12:18] poor 13-year-old from Upper Southampton that's went under a truck because he

[12:21] wasn't paying attention. So life is the hardest part of hitting you in the face,

[12:26] especially when you're young. They'll change the whole course of your life.

[12:30] Um, and these bikes are get them. They bought them for Christmas or they got

[12:34] them for their birthdays. The warm weather hit and they took off and they

[12:38] were all over town. We've been we've been dealing with them all summer. Um,

[12:42] luckily school started. Go William Tennet. Go Wood High School. Go grade

[12:47] schools. So, they're all back in school. Lost my picture. There it is again. Uh,

[12:52] but other than that, I am open to any questions and all questions you may

[12:57] have. >> Chief, I have some questions.

[13:00] » Okay. So, um, I've been really concerned about this, uh, because I know at some

[13:06] point something really severe is going to happen. You know what I mean? And and

[13:11] what if it's it's a driver who inadvertently hits one of those kids

[13:15] that are weaving in and out of the traffic and they kill somebody and it's

[13:18] on their head for the rest of their life. I don't want that to happen here.

[13:21] And I know you don't want that to happen.

[13:22] » 10 days ago that kids in chop. >> Well, the kids in chop. I'm saying but

[13:25] if somebody I'm saying if say one of the one of the people, right, if he had died

[13:30] or something or if he does, those people are going to have that on their heads

[13:33] the rest of their life. So my my question my question is um what type of

[13:39] of deterrence are you going to use for the parents and for the children?

[13:43] » We're going to cite them. That's what the common

[13:45] » and what's okay. And how much do they get cited?

[13:47] » It's probably a $25 ticket plus cost and fines go.

[13:51] » And what happens to the parents that they have to pay the fine?

[13:53] » Pay the parent. They go before the honorable Chris O'Neal,

[13:56] » right? [clears throat] >> And they they plead their case or they

[13:58] plead out. >> And if they and if they have another

[14:01] violation, then what happens? They get cited again.

[14:04] » They get cited again. >> It doesn't grow. It's the same same

[14:07] citation. >> Okay. All right. Because uh

[14:11] » so it's not like >> it's a summary citation. It's the lowest

[14:14] form of enforcement we have. >> Okay. So I feel I I was I was I read

[14:18] everything that you put into the packet >> and because I do have a great concern

[14:22] for it. I see these kids just randomly running around with these scooters, with

[14:26] these bikes. And of course, technology hasn't caught up to us, so we don't have

[14:29] I'm hoping, you know, that uh we get some help on the outside. Um I was going

[14:35] to ask you, do you are there any other townships uh that are passing ordinance

[14:40] regarding this issue? >> Well, Doylestown passed an ordinance. Uh

[14:44] a lot of the township, I think Falls has one in the works. I haven't seen any

[14:48] others other than Doylestowns. >> Do you know how effective they are so

[14:52] far? Well, they are more concerned with their community park, the ebikes in the

[14:56] community park because the path has to be a certain width for the ebike to be

[14:59] driven on. I'm not sure the I think it's 8 feet across the path has to be for an

[15:03] ebike to be ridden. >> That's what I read in the law.

[15:06] » Do you see anything in the pipeline down the road with the state at this point?

[15:10] » That would be a question for uh Brian Monroe.

[15:13] » Yes, I >> Yeah. Well, they just got this passed.

[15:15] It just came out. So, right, >> I think they're

[15:18] » focused on other things once they have this pass and see how this

[15:21] » takes effects and moves forward. So, >> but yeah, it's it's a problem now.

[15:26] Luckily, summer has ended >> and the winter's right around the

[15:29] corner. We'll be at Christmas tomorrow >> and

[15:34] I'm already I'm already I'm already in 2027.

[15:38] » I know John's in 2027, too. So, but um yeah, it's

[15:43] » So, are you confiscating ebikes at this point?

[15:46] » We're not confiscating at all. Okay. I mean, we if we had an ordinance, it said

[15:49] that there that is their ability in Doylestowns to tow them, but they're

[15:53] like any other vehicle. If we find a violation, if they meet the requirement,

[15:56] if they're supposed to be licensed, if it's the moped style where they travel

[16:01] anywhere from 30 to 40 miles an hour, that's a vehicle. They're required to be

[16:05] licensed, they're required to have insurance, required to have

[16:07] registration, they're required to have all that. If they don't have that, we

[16:10] treat it like any other vehicle in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and we tow

[16:12] it. We we don't impound it. We don't hold it. We would

[16:16] » probably call duty tow. Now, an ebike we could probably pick up and put in the

[16:19] back of our car and take it here and lock it in our bike room

[16:22] » and then have the parents come here and get it. But if we have like this

[16:26] accident we had at Street New Town with the two kids that we call the parents if

[16:29] they're under the age we under the age of 18 or 17, we call the parent and that

[16:33] parent has to come out and get them. >> Okay?

[16:35] » We can't just cut them loose, >> right? Because they're juveniles.

[16:38] » They're juveniles. they have to go and the father is responsible for the damage

[16:42] that's done to that car. So uninfor So if we pass an ordinance to try to

[16:47] curtail some of these issues and the state does pass the law then that will

[16:52] no long are >> well the law is in effect the law

[16:54] » then the law would take overtake that okay so what the

[16:57] » law is already in effect and the ordinances

[16:58] » right what I'm I'm sorry to be asking so many questions but I am really concerned

[17:02] what I want what I wanted to uh say is I feel like these fees are not going to

[17:07] stop anything >> no they don't stop

[17:10] » but I mean what how are we going to stop it that's I want to know

[17:14] » we got to educate them. >> And how are we proposing to do that when

[17:18] they're running up and down the sidewalks

[17:21] parents parents need to be educated? >> The parents are not they're the problem.

[17:24] They're buying these ebikes for the kids and it's a dangerous situation. So I'm

[17:29] not upset with you. I'm just upset with the situation. And I just think that the

[17:33] fines that they're going to be getting is

[17:36] » they're not the parents are going to care if they have to pay $10, if they

[17:39] had to pay $25. Do you think they're going to care

[17:41] » if it was $300 or what have you or the kid had to go in an ARD program or what

[17:47] have you? I I just didn't know what the particulars were and how

[17:50] » that's well beyond my pay grade. >> I I'm on the enforcement end, not the

[17:54] » So that's about all the only thing we can really do unless I go to court and

[17:56] then Chris O'Neal could perhaps do something there.

[18:00] » All right. So, I do have still have a major concern about it because I don't

[18:03] think it's going to curtail a lot of the I'm glad they're in school to be honest

[18:07] with you. But my worry is if they come out at night or on the weekends, it's

[18:13] going to be worse because at night they have no lights.

[18:15] » They've been doing that all summer long, >> right?

[18:17] » I mean, I watched two come out. I was coming down Bustle Avenue coming on the

[18:22] Caroline Road coming out of the city and in the Bucks and two of them were on the

[18:26] moped styles, no helmets, no lights, >> right? weaving in and out of traffic

[18:30] upon Avenue. >> So, how do we prevent the swarms that

[18:33] happened on street and York Road with all those vehicles?

[18:36] » We have to catch them while they're still or we have to educate the parents.

[18:39] One of the two. >> What did you do that particular day? Cuz

[18:41] I was away. I happened to see the video >> working doing other things.

[18:45] » No, I mean the I mean I saw the police there like what did you guys do to we

[18:49] came out of we were called over to Warman Community Park. We sent police

[18:53] over to Warman Community Park. The minute we got over to Warman Community

[18:56] Park, they scattered. They went across the field and up okay

[18:59] » up New Town Road and up Charter >> and all that and out that way and then

[19:03] through the speed not through the speedway through the uh

[19:06] » the park Ivy Land Road into that way. So they they're just more mobile and as

[19:11] long as they have battery life they're going to go but we're not going to force

[19:15] a bad issue by chasing >> I I don't think

[19:19] but they could pop out. They come through the neighborhood, pop out behind

[19:22] like they did at Nativity and they were in the middle of Street Road. They just

[19:26] popped out in the middle of Nativity parking lot.

[19:29] » By the time we get from Warmer Community Park to Nativity in Mormon traffic,

[19:33] they're gone by the time we get >> and I'm getting phone calls like crazy

[19:35] and people are saying a couple folks almost hit them because they go right in

[19:39] front of them. So, there's a lot of concern and I don't think that what

[19:43] we're going to do is going to be a deterrent, but I know that you're

[19:46] working within what we can do in our township and I understand that. So, I

[19:50] thank you for trying to take any any implementation or deterrent that you

[19:54] possibly can. I I hope I I hope that this comes together. That's all.

[19:59] » If we come up with a remedy, >> I'm going to keep praying about it. I'm

[20:02] telling you, >> teach juveniles

[20:03] » how to become more adult without in a shorter time frame, we would make a

[20:08] million dollars and we both could retire.

[20:10] » There you go. >> We could I could I could market it and

[20:14] we could all give our kids it and be >> done. I thought we'd get myself out of a

[20:18] job. Thank you for your patience, Chief. >> So, I guess Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go

[20:22] ahead. >> I'm sorry. Do you know if the school has

[20:24] an educational program for the kids on bike bicycle safety?

[20:28] » I know they used to back in the day, but um

[20:30] » bike safety we used to we used to do it for bike safety.

[20:33] » Um but we lost our instructor. Dave Moranny's was our instructor. He went

[20:37] off to be the chief. And >> can we train up another officer that

[20:40] could do that? >> Soon as I get them all hired. [laughter]

[20:43] » Soon as I get a lot of nice young ones. It's on my list of things to do, but

[20:47] it's it's >> I'm I'm hiring and promoting and hiring

[20:50] and promoting. So, >> as fast as I can do it, I'll get it

[20:53] done. And I you got to find a class. That's the big thing. And classes are

[20:57] hard to come by right now. >> Okay. So,

[20:59] » um would it help if I >> would it help if I go to a school got

[21:02] one? >> What's that?

[21:04] » You got a bike. All right. Thank you. >> Um would it help if

[21:08] » there's another option, too? Transportation management. Yeah. They

[21:11] run educational programs. They have community education person.

[21:15] » Okay. >> Does this reach out to them and they

[21:17] will come out. >> What was that again?

[21:21] » Transportation authority. >> Transportation management authority.

[21:26] » So I guess the question is if that I mean because everything falls under the

[21:30] vehicle codes, how enforceable would an ordinance be because it falls under the

[21:34] state vehicle? >> It just adds into our traffic problems

[21:37] that we're >> battling every day.

[21:39] » Yeah. So >> would an officer on motorcycle help?

[21:43] » Absolutely. >> Bike cops would be better.

[21:45] » We can't force them to adhere to the to the

[21:47] » put them on one of those little scooters.

[21:49] » The kids are not put on an ebook. >> That's [laughter] the problem.

[21:52] » Segue. >> Segue.

[21:54] » Yeah. >> But yeah, there's there's plenty of

[21:57] options out there. Unfortunately, a lot of them come with major price tags.

[22:02] » Um so we have to evaluate what we need and how we can best use technology to

[22:07] defeat the problems we have. Have you contacted the governor or you

[22:11] just want me to call Ryan? No, I just I was just asking if you had if if you

[22:16] had, you know, gotten any response or anything.

[22:18] » The governor's kind of busy. I don't know if he would take my phone call.

[22:22] Although I had I knew him back when he was a supervisor at Abington. Yeah.

[22:25] » And all the way through Commissioner Monco and the AG. He was here as the AG.

[22:29] So, >> um,

[22:31] » he's accessible. I just don't know how accessible.

[22:34] » I just wonder. It was just just a question. Thank you.

[22:36] » I'll probably go in and get a phone call from him now. He's probably watching.

[22:40] » I'm sure. >> I'm pretty sure [laughter] he doesn't

[22:42] know much going on. He's watching this. >> Yeah, he'll probably like that big mouth

[22:46] press tour. Why you have to do that? [laughter]

[22:50] » Can we get this information to back to school night to the parents and then

[22:54] have it hand it out? >> Yeah, I got I got hand up here. I You

[22:57] can send that. We can send it over to the school district.

[22:59] » Yeah, I think that's probably a good beginning.

[23:02] » So, at least the parents are aware what they what they obviously don't know or

[23:06] may not know. The middle schools are the big ones.

[23:08] » Yeah, sure. >> So, Willowdale and Clinger, but I mean I

[23:12] can I'm sure Don Verello, what I say, Willowdale, same campus.

[23:18] Close enough. >> Yeah.

[23:20] » Go ahead, Tom. >> Chief, how many accidents have involved

[23:26] some of those vehicles in 2026? >> I would say at least we've had at least

[23:31] 10 of them. And yeah, the two major ones are the

[23:35] ones that street new town with two kids, hit the guy side of that vehicle. Um, no

[23:40] injuries on that one, but the other one was the big one

[23:43] » and it wasn't really an ebike. It was a regular bicycle. The kid came down the

[23:46] wrong side of the road. Guy was coming out of the Davisville Shopping Center

[23:50] looking for traffic coming westbound and the kid came eastbound in the dark most

[23:55] likely in dark clothes and as he came out they met. So it's just now there's

[24:02] they're fearless. They're 13, 14, 15. They don't understand the impact of

[24:07] something like this happening and how lifelong it could be a lifelong change.

[24:12] » Chief, have you said you were going to do some educational uh get some people

[24:16] to come into the schools, do some educational things with them so they can

[24:19] learn >> that that getting into the schools is a

[24:21] whole another we would have to talk to. >> So we're already going to do the

[24:24] educational programs with the kids. We would probably have to attack not attack

[24:28] go after go into the schools um or work with park and wreck at some point.

[24:33] » Okay. >> Um but I need to get someone up to speed

[24:35] and get >> Do you know anybody that's currently

[24:37] doing a program like that? And if so, have they had results getting through to

[24:41] the kids? >> Teenagers is hard.

[24:43] » Closest ones I could probably reach out to and figure out is Ben S or more

[24:48] progressive agencies out there. I know Falls Township was trying. We've had a

[24:52] we had a chief's meeting and Nelson Whitney the chief down there was

[24:57] it's it's a big problem in falls. They're going back and forth across the

[25:00] bridges and >> all you have Trenton coming in and going

[25:03] out and all that. So they have a bigger problem. They have a big problem down

[25:05] there going along. >> So

[25:08] » um but >> all right

[25:09] » I mean I'll I'll meet with them sometime next month and be talking about it

[25:13] again. I'm sure. >> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate again.

[25:17] » Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. [clears throat]

[25:21] » All right. Next on the presentation list is our senior vice president from uh

[25:27] Grant Thornton, Rich Ritzer. >> Good evening everyone.

[25:34] » Good to see you. >> Uh in case those of you who I haven't

[25:37] met yet, I'm pretty sure I've met everybody in here. Um I'm Rich Ritzer,

[25:41] senior vice president, still Ciz, but I'm here to talk a little bit about some

[25:44] of the changes that are occurring um as I stand here today. Um, before I get

[25:49] into that, I just want to say it's been quite a privilege to work with the

[25:53] township over the last two and a half years. Um, that is not me alluding to

[25:57] the fact that we're leaving or anything like that. It's just it's just been a

[26:00] lot of fun. Um, so just to give you some perspective, you know, our firm was

[26:04] acquired originally by CBiz in 2018, believe it or not, on April Fool's Day.

[26:09] So that's when I found out about it. [laughter] And uh, if you haven't known,

[26:12] CBiz is a publicly traded company. um very one of the largest accounting firms

[26:17] in the country. Um we are part of what's called benefits and insurance services

[26:21] under CBIZ which is a separate silo. So think of CBS as two silos. You have the

[26:26] accounting arm which is a top 10 accounting firm. A lot of people don't

[26:29] realize that. Um on the other silo we are part of the benefit benefits and

[26:34] insurance which um is comprised of um human resources, they do payroll, they

[26:40] do employee benefits. We are on the investment arm. they do actuarial. Um so

[26:44] we roll up under the investment arm and what had happened was a private firm

[26:49] decided that they wanted to acquire Sebiz um and take them back out of

[26:54] public and they felt that there was a great opportunity to get the accounting

[26:59] side and it's actually owned one of their um uh stakes is is Grant Thornton

[27:03] which is another large accounting firm. So they're going to basically become one

[27:07] of the five top six accounting firms in the country. So, why am I telling you

[27:11] this? We're an investment arm, right? We do the investment advisory work for all

[27:16] of your pension plans here. Uh we also handle the 401A and 457 plans, which are

[27:20] the employee um it's where employees can put away money just like a 401k plan. We

[27:24] come in and we meet with the employees. Uh just like officer, and I'm sorry, I

[27:28] think it was Cisco. Yeah. Uh he should be contributing to his 457 right away.

[27:32] Right. So, that's kind of some of the stuff that we we want to do and help

[27:35] these officers every day. So, um, what I'm getting at here is we believe that

[27:40] this is a great thing because over the last eight years at CBiz, we've kind of

[27:44] had this tether to this large accounting firm and that tether is going away.

[27:49] We're kind of cutting that tether. And what's going to happen is they are

[27:53] carving our side of the business out away from the accounting and the

[27:56] accounting side is going to be completely separate. Why that's good, no

[28:00] conflicts. We're not affiliated with with a with an accounting firm that

[28:03] might be doing audits for a similar client. um anything that we have ever

[28:07] wanted to do such as enhancing technology, creating better processes

[28:11] for us and our clients, we've kind of had to run up the flag pole to this

[28:14] 10,000lb gorilla that is the accounting firm. And now we don't have to do that.

[28:19] So if anything, everything that's being communicated to us and there's still a

[28:22] lot of questions that I probably don't have the answer to. Um the the actual

[28:27] transition or acquisition is expected to wrap up sometime in the fourth quarter.

[28:31] Um, but what we're being told is that um, you know, if anything, they're going

[28:36] to ask us what we need to keep doing what we're doing. And we're not going

[28:40] anywhere. The employee interaction, the pension interaction, fees, processes,

[28:44] nothing is changing at all. The only thing that you might see change is is

[28:48] cosmetic in nature. So, I can tell you that probably the CBiz name logo is

[28:52] going to go away. We don't know what it's going to be called yet. They're

[28:55] still working on that, but until that kind of closes and and comes into

[28:59] fruition, we're still operating as CBiz. I will still be your contact. Mike,

[29:04] everybody in our office, everybody's still there. Nothing's changing. So, I

[29:07] just wanted to make everybody aware of that. Um, because I know somebody once

[29:11] told me, uh, people don't like the way things are and they don't like change,

[29:15] but in this case, I think change is actually a good thing for us and our

[29:18] clients really at the end of the day. So, just want to give everybody a little

[29:21] bit of peace of mind that really is nothing is changing from that

[29:23] perspective. I wanted to come here and tell you that in person and we we want

[29:26] to continue that relationship. It's it's been quite quite a good time and we've

[29:29] done a lot of work on the pension plan. I I'm thrilled with you know we manage

[29:33] over 140 defined benefit plans in the state and um I'm thrilled to see what

[29:37] we've been able to do as a team over the last just two and a half years with this

[29:39] with these plans which I'm sure John might allude to a little bit later. So

[29:42] um with that I'll open it up if you guys have any questions. I'll try to answer

[29:46] as best as I can and we'll continue to keep

[29:48] » sticking around. We we we like working with you.

[29:50] » I'm not going anywhere Kathy. [laughter] Not going anywhere. Thank you.

[29:54] » Um and we'll keep everybody ab breast and and keep full transparency as we get

[29:58] more information. >> Um we'll continue to disseminate as as

[30:02] it comes out. So >> great. Thanks Rich. Any questions for

[30:05] Rich? >> I just appreciate you coming out this

[30:09] evening. >> Of course. No, thank you for having me.

[30:10] I I appreciate it. >> So I didn't have pizza this time.

[30:14] [laughter]

[30:16] » You want to ask? Go ahead. is >> our our our manager has a question.

[30:22] Rich. >> Hi Tom.

[30:24] » Good evening. This is more of a statement, right? So they do the they

[30:29] manage the investments for the pension fund, right? We know that they also

[30:33] responsible mail well they don't mail them anymore. The monthly pension

[30:38] benefit checks. They're not checks anymore. So uh there's two parts to

[30:43] this. There's the managing the pension fund and then managing mechanics of the

[30:49] payments to the retirees. Uh so now here's the question. If that

[30:55] is going to change, how much notice do you think you can give us?

[30:59] » That is not going to change. >> They're not going to send

[31:02] [clears throat] Charles Schwab to the movies.

[31:04] » No, absolutely not. [laughter] No. No. The the the new firm that's acquiring us

[31:08] is not an investment. They don't they don't know this business, but they know

[31:11] that we know this business. So >> they might think they know it like I do.

[31:16] » I think I know it about

[31:19] » case in point. >> I will let me tell you this. [laughter]

[31:21] If there were any perception of any upcoming changes, a great example and we

[31:27] don't see this. Um when we I'll tell you guys real quick. I found because we're

[31:31] publicly traded. I found about I found out about this on July 9th at about 8:45

[31:37] in the morning. I had no idea. We had no idea publicly traded. And if I knew, I

[31:40] wouldn't tell you guys because I like my freedom, you know, inside of trading

[31:43] laws. So our clients found out only a couple of hours after us. So that's how

[31:48] quickly we wanted to alert folks. So if if and we sent out mass communication.

[31:52] So if we felt that there was a change coming,

[31:55] » we would alert our clients and communicate as soon as we would know

[31:59] about it. Um but I can tell you that there is no expectation any changes for

[32:04] any changes. >> Right. And I just want to remind the

[32:06] board, we the pension fund pays out over $3 million a year to the retirees.

[32:12] » So there's a lot of uh there's a lot of people involved, a lot of lives

[32:16] involved, a lot of work involved. >> Tom doesn't want to come out of his bank

[32:20] account, right? [laughter]

[32:23] » I am the pension fund administrator. I had to sign those documents for the

[32:27] auditor. >> We'll make sure to give you even more

[32:28] notice if that's the case. So >> yeah, give him two minutes more than the

[32:31] rest of [laughter] us. >> All right. Thanks, Rich.

[32:34] » Thank you all so much. Have a good night. Do you have any other questions?

[32:38] » Thanks for calling. Appreciate it. >> Thank you.

[32:41] » All right, let's move on. Uh, let's consider

[32:46] approval of ordinance 787 restricting parking of trucks and buses on Park

[32:51] Heights Avenue and Rogers Road. I'll ask for a motion.

[32:55] » Motion second. >> Questions or comments?

[33:00] » Should we read the ordinance?

[33:04] Well, we're adding to the street ordinance. Uh, I guess I could I guess I

[33:08] could read it. Let me >> just read the

[33:10] » for the benefit of those that are here. >> The last paragraph.

[33:13] » All right. So, therefore All right. So, I'll just read the last paragraph.

[33:16] Therefore, chapter 15, motor vehicles and traffic section 405, parking of

[33:20] trucks, buses, and other vehicles prohibited is hereby amended to include

[33:24] Park Heights Avenue and Roger Road the entire length of both streets.

[33:30] Then from St. David's Avenue to Sincler Road.

[33:34] » Okay, >> thank you.

[33:35] » That's the amendment. Any questions or comments from the board,

[33:40] » from the public? >> I would just like to say thank you. This

[33:42] has been a year. >> Come on up, please.

[33:45] » Um, >> I'm sorry.

[33:47] » Yeah, >> she's in a

[33:49] » Oh, I'm sorry. We could My mistake. I didn't see that.

[33:54] But I didn't want to miss this tonight because this has been and I thank my

[33:57] other half because I went to him with this and he helped me get this situated

[34:02] with all of you. This has been a long time problem and I'm just glad to see

[34:06] you finally can resolve it. And it's mostly because of the older drivers and

[34:09] the kids on the block because you do not see coming around Rogers Road.

[34:13] » Um and the truck driver personally is not a very nice person.

[34:18] [laughter] Yeah. So thank you very much. I know it took some time and effort, but

[34:22] it really means a lot to me and everybody that lives back there.

[34:26] » Okay. >> Thank you.

[34:27] » You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome.

[34:29] » Chief, >> is it Roger or Rogers?

[34:33] » Rogers. >> Plural.

[34:35] » Plural. >> There's two Rogers.

[34:37] » Roger. That >> two Rogers.

[34:39] » Two Rogers. Two blocks long. >> Both Rogers are now on notice.

[34:44] » Thank you. So, there's an S that needs to be amended in the in the Rogers.

[34:48] » Yes, there's an S. Well, it does say Rogers right there, but not

[34:52] [clears throat] >> All right. Any other questions or

[34:54] comments from the public? >> Being none, let's call a question. All

[34:58] in favor? >> All opposed? Chair votes I. Motion

[35:01] carries 5. >> Thank you.

[35:05] » All right. Next uping them up is the consider

[35:09] declaring the Worminster Township zoning ordinance invalid as it pertains to the

[35:13] data center uses and directed township solicitor to prepare resolution

[35:19] for the curative amendment process. I'll ask for a motion.

[35:24] » I'll give you a motion. >> I'll second that.

[35:26] » All right. I'm going to hand the floor over to you, Scott.

[35:29] » Yes. So, um, hot topic in zoning right now across the

[35:34] country everywhere is data centers. >> Oh, yeah. Um, I don't want to say we're

[35:38] late to the game because it implies we're in trouble. Um, but on the end of

[35:42] things, it's we're we're kind of coming to the tail end of this process of where

[35:45] things are being built, ordinances are being prepared,

[35:49] things are being done. Um, here what this is, it just is going to give us the

[35:54] time to evaluate the ordinances that are out [clears throat] there, put them

[35:57] together, get the best ordinance for Warster. Um, we can't prohibit data

[36:02] centers. There's nothing in the pipeline of a data center coming into Warster,

[36:06] but just knowing it's out there and it's the hot topic and it's something I'm

[36:10] doing in four, five, five other municipalities right now. It's just

[36:14] something that's on my mind and it's might as well be something we get on the

[36:17] books just to have it so that if a data center ever does come in, we don't risk

[36:21] the situation that's going on in Plymouth Township in Montgomery County

[36:24] right now where they actually have a data center filing a substantive

[36:28] validility challenge because Plymouth did not update their ordinance. And even

[36:32] though there was some negotiations in that case, I know a little bit about

[36:35] what's going on, not too much, but it seems like the sides couldn't agree on

[36:39] how to get it worked out properly. This will just sort of prevent that from

[36:43] happening and give us the tools to put the right regulations in place should a

[36:48] data center ever come into Warster. I mean, you're a pretty built up town.

[36:52] There aren't these mega sites available. There could be smaller ones coming in,

[36:56] but you know, you'll just be ahead of the game and if something were to ever

[36:59] happen, that's the idea here. It's not a fear. It's not a problem. It's just

[37:03] getting your ordinance up to date as we're doing it. Craig and I are doing it

[37:07] in New Britain right now. I have been four other municipalities I'm doing it

[37:11] in as well. So, we might as well we figured I figured put this out there,

[37:16] see if you guys want to get it done and you can be ahead of the game for before

[37:20] any problems actually arise. >> I think it's a good idea, Scott.

[37:22] especially since they are bullying the people in other towns where they want to

[37:26] get in. So yes, I think any protection that we can have for us, I think it's a

[37:32] good idea. That's my opinion, but thank you.

[37:34] » I also think it gives 100% agree with Scott. It also gives you a now a floor

[37:40] or baseline that if someone wants to say, "Hey, this isn't fair or I'd like

[37:43] to tweak it." At least you're working off of something versus nothing. That's

[37:46] what's happened in some other townships where they have nothing on the books, so

[37:50] there's nothing to really work off of. um you'll have something on the books

[37:53] that that's what governs, but if you want to tweak it or work with someone,

[37:57] um which is always the best way to do it when someone does come in. Now, we have

[38:01] regulations that we can tweak, modify if we feel appropriate in a certain

[38:04] situation instead of there's no negotiations at all. There's nothing on

[38:09] the books. So, >> all right. So, we're being proactive.

[38:12] Just [clears throat] for the record, I want to um I want the um the motion to

[38:18] read, I move to declare the War Mister Township zoning ordinance invalid as it

[38:22] relates to data center uses and direct the township solicitor to prepare the

[38:26] appropriate resolution under the Pennsylvania Municipalities Planning

[38:29] Code. >> Yep, that

[38:32] » that's the motion. >> Yes, that's the motion.

[38:34] » So, I think it was >> Kathy and then Janice and then Janice.

[38:39] Okay. >> Any questions or comments from the

[38:41] board? Questions or comments from the public? Okay. Being none, let's call the

[38:46] question. All in favor? >> I.

[38:48] » All oppose. Chair votes I. Motion carries 5.

[38:53] All right. Public comment.

[38:57] Come on up, Judy. >> Good to see you walking without any

[39:02] help. Wonderful. A little >> shaky.

[39:06] Getting better. So uh the first comment I want to say I

[39:11] wish I wasn't prepared for was I thank you for the information on the data

[39:15] centers because where I work I have people call in all

[39:20] the time as you know I work at the state office and there are people that are

[39:26] calling that are scream they're scared to death they think they have to sell

[39:30] their houses their houses won't be worth anything

[39:34] » and we're not even considering a data center yet So

[39:37] » there's no place to put it, right? They're massive buildings.

[39:40] » We're lucky that >> there's no place to put it. They're

[39:42] massive buildings. >> Yeah. Well, they're scared to death. I

[39:45] miss >> in the 144th district. Second thing I

[39:50] want to tell you that um there is school starting as you have mentioned and next

[39:57] week at the library starts their week-long uh

[40:03] program where they have a scavenger hunt at the library for books and articles

[40:08] and it's a lot of fun for the kids especially the elementary school kids if

[40:12] they're allowed to come after school or the or the middle school kids. So go to

[40:17] the library and see what that's about. The big issue that we're having at the

[40:21] Warminster Library, and by the way, it's open now. The carpets are done. And

[40:25] thank you. They look great. Um the Warster Library is having their 50th

[40:31] anniversary, their golden anniversary on October 10th. And there are raffle

[40:38] baskets uh to bid on. Now you can get them raffle tickets for $5 a sheet of

[40:44] 11. It's going to be cold on the on the 10th. There's going to be a jazz trio

[40:49] there. There's going to be food and there's going to be a lot of fun

[40:54] celebrating 50 years of the Warminster Library. So, please everybody try to

[40:59] come out. It's really going to be fun. >> Thanks, Judy.

[41:02] » Thank you. >> Nice to see you, Judy.

[41:05] » Right on time. >> All right. Who's next?

[41:11] » You have to go ahead. >> Hey, gang. My name is Andy Harren. I've

[41:14] been a resident of Warmer Township for the last 43 years. First time I've ever

[41:18] come to one of these meetings. The reason I'm here is I've talked to Jen a

[41:21] few times. I've also talked to Mr. Walsh about a neighbor who chooses to do this

[41:26] every single week in our township. >> What is that?

[41:30] » That's trash that's being brought from a third party business.

[41:34] » Yeah, absolutely. And call one. I've personally gone up when I saw it two

[41:38] months ago and questioned what they were doing and got ran up one side, ran down

[41:42] the other side >> by

[41:44] » they bring a by the homo. >> Oh, okay.

[41:47] » They bring a box truck with their company logo on it which is in

[41:50] Montgomeryville and they fill the truck every week. I've talked with Scarrow

[41:56] three times. They've told me unequivocally that this township is

[42:00] aware of it. They're doing nothing about it. As a taxpayer, I pay $775 a year out

[42:05] of my taxes that I just sent to Nicole the other day. And I explained it to her

[42:09] and she said, "This is something I need to bring to this form as well."

[42:13] » What street is this on? >> That's on network. The address is

[42:16] » I see it. I see it. >> The golf court networking.

[42:19] » Yeah, it is. >> Okay.

[42:21] » Okay. Uh so the bottom line is council if there is no law there should be a law

[42:27] that says you cannot bring trash from a business outside the township and have

[42:31] it picked up with your regular trash pickups at the expense of every

[42:34] taxpayer. Secondly a cease and desist order should be put out to that guy

[42:39] immediately or turn around and give him a search charge every single month of I

[42:44] ran a business that's probably about a $600 a month trash pickup.

[42:48] » Oh yeah. It's all corporate. >> Yeah. But for absolutely positively

[42:52] nothing being done after multiple calls, uh Jen knows my voice now. I I don't

[42:57] understand what to do. >> So hope you we'll take care of help.

[43:01] » Yeah, we'll take care of it. >> All right. Because uh

[43:03] » because first of all, it's residential trash pickup. It's not for commercial

[43:07] use. >> That's correct. And the one thing, Ken,

[43:09] that's wrong >> is in the flyer that comes from Mascaro.

[43:13] It unequivocally states your bulk pickup and when and what

[43:18] » your recyclables is undefined. >> Yeah. Well,

[43:21] » your trash says four containers of size of 30 gallons max.

[43:25] » So, there is a hole in whatever there is from a a rules and regulatory point of

[43:30] view that this guy >> is skirting around and getting away

[43:33] with. >> Yeah. The expense of every tax.

[43:34] » We'll we'll take care of it because we all pay the same trash fee. So, not to

[43:39] be overbearing, >> what should you expect?

[43:44] » What should you expect? >> For how long it would take to resolve it

[43:47] since I've been involved? >> I think we're going to resolve this

[43:49] right away. >> Okay.

[43:50] » I This is just got I This is the first I've heard it.

[43:53] » Okay. >> It'll It'll be taken care of tomorrow.

[43:56] » Thank you very much. >> You're welcome.

[43:57] » Take care. Thanks for coming. Make sure to

[44:04] have golf carts there. Ton of golf carts.

[44:07] » All right. I know that. >> Floor is yours.

[44:10] » Hi everybody. My name is Scott Randolph. You may have heard of me if you ever saw

[44:15] the documentary on the battle of Crooilla.

[44:19] My documentary is currently streaming on eight networks. As of last week, Pluto

[44:23] picked it up, which is huge. In just about two years, we are going to be

[44:28] celebrating the anniversary of the Battle of Cababella. arguably the most

[44:34] important event that happened in two communities that share the event. Hapro

[44:38] and Warster. Um I know Hapro is already planning

[44:42] celebrations. I know for the 225th I still have the shirt that was done in

[44:46] Warster Park. Um the battle is shared. It started in Hapo. It moved into

[44:52] Warster. The two mass graves are in Warminster and there are two monuments

[44:57] 1861 1928. The 28 monument sits on Jacksonville Road. Most people don't

[45:03] even know it's there. They drive by it every day on Jacksonville Road. So, what

[45:08] I'm I'm almost done, by the way. What I'm looking for from Warmerster, from

[45:13] the supervisors, I don't know if anyone from the police is still here, from the

[45:16] police department. Um I already talked with the mayor of

[45:19] Hatboro, the honorable Tim Schultz, and some chamber members. They're on board

[45:24] with the idea and it's going to take two years to pull it off to do a parade just

[45:29] like the battle. Start in Warmster or start in Hapro and come right up into

[45:33] Warmerster. There's other celebrations, but it will be a great way to honor the

[45:38] 26 men who died, 58 captured, and then honor the hero of the battle, General

[45:44] John Lacy Jr., who was from Buck uh Buckingham Township, Bucks County. So,

[45:49] this is we're in the beginning process. We will be forming a committee, but it's

[45:54] going to take a team effort from both communities and every facet. Um, you

[45:58] know, public safety to the planning of who's going to be involved and all of

[46:02] that. So, that's my pitch. So, I don't I'm not sure my next step to talk, you

[46:07] know, obviously outside of the council, but

[46:10] » I I would say your next step probably would be to uh talk to Jessica Fox, our

[46:14] parks and recck director. >> Okay.

[46:17] » Yeah. And just so you know, the making of the documentary the and um I think it

[46:21] was Karen uh was there back in the day. >> Um most of it was shot in Warmerster

[46:26] Community Park. We can't do it now because it's it's changed. We shot it,

[46:30] you know, a long time ago, right? >> But that's about where the battle ended.

[46:32] So it was very cool for us. So we making of the film, we had great cooperation

[46:37] from Well, we didn't actually don't tell people from Hapro this is not being

[46:40] recorded, right? We didn't shoot a whole lot.

[46:42] » Yes, it is. Be careful. [laughter] Well, we worked with the Milbrook

[46:46] Society to make the film. We worked with Craven Hall. Actually, we did a lot of

[46:49] shooting at Craven Hall and Warmer Community Park. So, um I will reach out

[46:53] to her. And then, um Chief, I'll be reaching out to you at some point.

[46:57] Obviously, public safety is number one. That's what um the honorable Tim Schultz

[47:00] said. And um >> yeah, public safety is is number one,

[47:04] » right? And he and he said that will be the the greatest challenge, but once we

[47:08] can figure that out and make sure that we can do this, you know, um be good.

[47:12] I'll take another question. >> Yeah. What's your path of your parade

[47:15] route that you intended? >> We don't know yet. Um to me, York makes

[47:19] it. Oh, one other thing. Um this was not an attack on Hapro or Warster or the

[47:24] Bucks County militia. This was an attack on the Pennsylvania militia. So, I

[47:27] already talked with Representative Monroe. I'm going to talk with Ferry.

[47:30] I'm going to talk with Nancy Guest and get the state already. Uh Monroe has

[47:34] said that they're going to talk with the state. York Road is a state road. The

[47:38] state should be stepping in because this was an attack on Pennsylvania. So, okay.

[47:42] Um, but that's my, you know, >> so I don't see why the board wouldn't

[47:45] support that. >> That's great.

[47:47] » Thank you for your time. Don't forget, watch the film. All right. Pluto, it's

[47:51] all for, you know. Yes. What's the name of it again?

[47:53] » The Battle of the Crooked. >> There you go.

[47:55] » Okay. Yeah, there's signs and >> I think there's some signage on

[47:59] Jacksonville Road. >> Yeah, we have one on Jacksonville.

[48:01] » It was And the reason the arrows are everywhere, it was a moving battle.

[48:03] Started in Hapro, went up through and and ended about what they call Hart's

[48:08] Corner, about Bristol and Davisville Road, which is about where I live.

[48:11] » Great. All right.

[48:12] » Thank you for your time. My pleasure. Love Warmer. My family's lived in

[48:15] Warmerster since 1947. So >> appreciate that.

[48:18] » Thank you. >> All right. Anyone else?

[48:32] I live on the corner of A and Green 5618.

[48:36] Um there's a drainage of rainwater at this intersection that has been an

[48:40] ongoing and serious problem causing the corner to flood during heavy rain.

[48:44] However, over the past 3 weeks, the situation has become completely

[48:48] unacceptable and extreme extremely dangerous. Um week one I woke up, my

[48:52] son's vehicle was completely flooded. The vehicle was ultimately totaled

[48:56] resulting in a $21,000 insurance claim. Uh, week two, a vehicle was stuck in the

[49:01] flood water and the driver had to be rescued. Week three, there were two

[49:04] separate vehicles that became stuck. Both drivers required water rescues. Um,

[49:09] I have some pictures that I can share with you guys.

[49:13] » Um, I can stop you right here. You're at the wrong meeting.

[49:16] » Okay. >> You need to go on to the War Municipal

[49:20] Authority meeting. They handled water. >> I've been talking to Dalton George. So,

[49:23] and I've been told that they're aware of the situation and there's a plan. Just

[49:28] » if you want to come to the meeting on the 14th.

[49:30] » The 14th. >> That will be over at the municipal

[49:32] authority building. >> Okay.

[49:34] » Cuz we don't do anything. >> We don't have anything to do with

[49:37] » Okay. I'm sorry that you >> I don't mean to cut you off and it's a

[49:39] shame. That's okay. Yeah. >> So, I'm sorry what you're going through.

[49:43] » Yeah. When it rains hard, there's, you know, there's no

[49:47] » no forgiveness. >> There's no

[49:49] you know that the state roads are the ones that uh

[49:54] » the problem is that the water has nowhere to go. Exactly.

[49:57] » And and the the state highways are only 15-year conveyance piping, 15ear storm

[50:04] that is. >> So they're undersized every time.

[50:07] » Um we can't we can't control that. That's that's you might want to talk to

[50:12] your state rep or and your state senator because there's that's the municipal

[50:16] authority can h we handle all the municipal roads but if the water has

[50:20] nowhere to go and the back and the and the constriction in the backup

[50:25] » is county line is the problem. >> We've asked the state a million times

[50:29] when they're actually redoing the roads to increase the pipe size and they won't

[50:33] do it. >> Like I said with the past two weeks with

[50:36] the water rescues someone's going to be killed.

[50:39] » Yeah, I know. And and uh once again, we'll well I sit on that board as well,

[50:44] so I'll talk to Dan as well about it. Yeah. But the 14th is the meeting.

[50:48] » So come to that. It's right across the street.

[50:50] » This is coming in the parking lot in of water coming right in.

[50:54] » I'm by myself. I have to carry 60 gallons.

[50:57] » So how long's it been doing that? >> 2018.

[51:00] » I've been there since 21. >> Which street do you live on, ma'am?

[51:03] » 8th Avenue. I'm her next door. Okay. >> She gets it up towards her garage. Mine

[51:08] comes right in my house. road right there. Okay.

[51:12] » Again, by >> So, it can't be a new problem. It must

[51:17] have been going on for years. >> I didn't know where to go and explain to

[51:20] me when I >> And it's with the heavy rain.

[51:22] » Well, no one explained. Yeah, that's that's your that's buyer beware, right?

[51:27] But we'll come to the meeting on the 14th over at the municipal authority and

[51:32] then you can have all the time you need to talk about it. Okay. Right. The

[51:36] parking lot where you pay your bills. That's not unique. People don't like to

[51:41] visit >> It's a nightmare. Ruining my carpets and

[51:47] ruining, you know. >> Yeah. And you know, and there's things,

[51:50] you know, we're we're working on a lot of like Yeah. And we're This is not the

[51:55] the venue for that. >> Yeah. Dalton told us to attend.

[51:58] » Well, you can attend, but I'm going to put going back over there.

[52:01] » He's going to say like, "Hi, D." Right. >> I don't Yeah. Well,

[52:06] » we'll we'll we'll put him in the hot seat. How's this? We'll put him in the

[52:09] hot seat over there on the 14th. [laughter]

[52:12] » That lady's house. >> He's a good guy. He'll take care of it.

[52:16] » Wait, do you want these back? These pictures?

[52:17] » So nice. >> And I have that in my office.

[52:20] » Yeah, you might want to bring them over. Bring them over to to the to the

[52:24] » Your neighbor's pictures are >> welcome. He just retired.

[52:29] » Did he Okay. >> Yeah. [snorts]

[52:31] » Bless you. >> You right back there.

[52:34] » It's a bummer. All right. Anyone else? >> Pictures.

[52:38] » Okay. >> Did you get your pictures? I think

[52:41] they're I think they're all over. >> What day is What day is recycling?

[52:44] » If I may. My pleasure. Thank you. >> To make us aware Thursday.

[52:48] » Thursday. >> Thursday. Wednesday.

[52:50] » All right. >> Yeah. We'll we want to make sure that

[52:53] that's that's unacceptable. Just so you know. I just didn't know what day your

[52:57] recycling was. So, we'll we'll take care of that.

[52:59] » You're welcome. >> I never heard such a thing.

[53:01] » Yeah. >> That's insane.

[53:02] » I never heard such a thing. people bringing trash.

[53:05] » We're going to move on. >> Seriously.

[53:07] » Uh we'll go to the consent agenda. We're going to consider approval of the board

[53:10] of supervisors minutes dated August 20th, 2026.

[53:14] Consider approval of resolution 2026-17, Bucks County 2026 hazard mitigation

[53:20] plan. It's in the package. Consider award the 2026-27

[53:26] Rockalt contract to excuse me, Riverside Construction Materials, Inc.

[53:32] and consider approval of Warmister Township 2026 paving program

[53:37] contract number 26-02 change order number one. Is there a

[53:42] motion? >> Motion.

[53:44] » Second. >> Questions or comments?

[53:49] » I think the change order is in our favor.

[53:52] » Yes. >> So that's that's that's something I I

[53:55] want to bring up. The change order is actually in our favor. It's not an

[53:58] additional cost. >> Okay. That was my question.

[54:01] » The asphalt index went up, but the overall quantities um

[54:05] » went down. So, the total contract cost is down.

[54:08] » Total contract cost down. >> Were they paving next?

[54:13] » I don't I don't have the pave. >> Way to put them on the spot.

[54:16] » I have questions if you don't have answers.

[54:19] » What's that? >> Contact your public works director.

[54:23] » All right. So, any questions or comments from the public? Any more comments from

[54:27] the board? All right. Let's call the question. All in favor?

[54:30] » I opposed. The chair votes I. Motion carries 5-0.

[54:34] » All right. Mary's up. >> Mrs. Owens.

[54:40] » Okay. So, I have the financial report. The approval of the supplemental bill

[54:43] list dated August 31st, 2026 in the amount of 1,430,29263

[54:52] for a total of 1,430,29263.

[54:58] Motion to approve the bills. >> Motion

[55:00] » second. >> Any questions or comments?

[55:04] » All right, being none, let's call the question. All in favor?

[55:08] » All oppose? Chair votes I. Motion carries 5-0. And I want to thank the

[55:12] public for paying their their taxes on time. We couldn't operate this township

[55:16] without that. >> John, you're up. You got good news for

[55:19] us tonight. >> We heard you have real good news.

[55:22] » Wind and I have good news. >> Oh, yeah. That's true.

[55:25] » So, [clears throat] start with the good news. the revenues are up um about like

[55:29] $1.1 million from this time through the end of July compared to last year, it's

[55:34] about 9.1%. Um and the good thing looking at like I

[55:38] said last month, it's not one single line item. So a bunch of different line

[55:42] items are going up. So it's not like a one-time increase, which is great. Um

[55:47] compared to budget, revenues are 72% this year. They're at 70%. Again,

[55:52] consistency is what we always look for and that's what we want. Um on the

[55:57] expense side, expenses are up $1.1 million. Um looking at the detail, the

[56:03] main thing is the minimum municipal obligation, the MMO that uh we're going

[56:09] to be talking about a little bit later that [clears throat] since we did a 50%

[56:14] payment that actually increased that's 450,000 of that increase. So it was it

[56:20] was a tough year like we had a big increase. That's looking good. Um,

[56:26] but it was budgeted. So, we're at 60% of budget this year. We're at 58% last

[56:31] year. So, we're kind of trending in the same right direction. Um, looking

[56:37] forward, um, kind of jumping ahead a little bit to the MMO talk that we're

[56:41] going to approve tonight is the good news is the 2027 MMO when you combine

[56:47] both the police and the non-uniform is a decrease of like $2,500.

[56:54] » In all of my years in government, I have never seen a decrease in MMO in my life.

[56:59] [snorts] >> Um, the part there's a couple reasons

[57:02] for this. one the non-uniform plan is closed so there's less people in it. Um

[57:09] » other things um the new investment seiz who was up here earlier after two and a

[57:13] half years they're less their fees are less than the previous provider. That's

[57:18] a great thing. Um, we've had great market returns and over the last couple

[57:24] years we've added more than the MMO, the minimum, we've put an extra $300,000

[57:31] into these into the police pension plan, which is still an open plan. So that's

[57:36] cutting back on everything. So between all of these things, that's what's

[57:40] leading to this decrease in expense. So that's going to help us with our 2027

[57:45] budget. So it's something to look forward to. It's

[57:50] again it's all good news. >> Yeah, it's always good news when uh you

[57:54] can contribute more than the minimum. >> Yes.

[57:58] » And then that of course >> helps everybody when they reach

[58:02] retirement which is our obligation. >> Yep.

[58:05] » And actually I I skipped over my first note here. Um I know I always focus on

[58:10] the general fund but I do always look at the other funds. Every operating fund

[58:15] that we have is in the black through the end of July. So, it's not just, oh, we

[58:20] only look at the general. We look at I look at everything, but I really only

[58:24] talk about the general, but going through even the go fund this year with

[58:29] all the additional expenses with the the clubhouse and everything, they're still

[58:33] in the black before borrowing the money. So, like we're looking good through

[58:38] every fund throughout the township. >> Thank you, John.

[58:43] » Thank you to you and your staff. You definitely

[58:45] » That's right. He's got excellent staff. Just a stand.

[58:48] » Any questions? >> No, you might as well stand there.

[58:51] [laughter] >> Don't go nowhere.

[58:53] » Don't go anywhere, John. All right. So, there's no unfinished business. So,

[58:58] we'll go right to new business. We're going to consider approval of the 2027

[59:01] minimum municipal obligation MMO for police and non-uniform pension

[59:08] funds. >> Motion.

[59:10] » Second. >> Motion by Chuck, second by Mary.

[59:15] » Okay. Um, John, do you want to get give us a

[59:18] little um

[59:21] » summation? >> Like I said, overall the police MMO went

[59:27] up about um $2,500, but the non-uniform went down

[59:33] 5,000. So that's how we're at a net negative 2500. I don't have the exact I

[59:40] actually forgot the paperwork on my desk.

[59:42] » Close enough. But the

[59:44] » but the police went up 25 or that that's actually a very low number.

[59:49] » Yes. Incredibly low number. >> And I'll give credit to the pension

[59:52] committee like we >> those meetings are very intense

[59:56] » of the way we allocate everything um the what we're invested in. So that they're

[1:00:02] like we're doing the right thing and this is with um I think the big increase

[1:00:07] like we've lowered our expected interest rate

[1:00:09] » right? Um well when I started it was at 8% we're down to two and or 7.25

[1:00:15] like we did a big half percent which is a huge difference and then every quarter

[1:00:20] percent makes another big difference. So right now hopefully with the last two

[1:00:26] years we have when we get their next evaluation maybe we can actually even

[1:00:29] drop it more because that leads to a longer duration of

[1:00:34] » every time we're over that it's it's a better thing for the MMO. So for whoever

[1:00:40] is listening out there and everyone else, the the the

[1:00:44] higher the rate of return, the anticipated rate of return,

[1:00:49] the less money you need to put into the pension fund,

[1:00:52] » but 8% is not realistic. There's no returns in pension funds that are

[1:00:58] returning 8%. So what we've done on the pension committee is we've gotten that

[1:01:03] number down. So every time you lower it down into a more realistic rate of

[1:01:08] return, the amount of money you have to contribute goes up. So we've been able

[1:01:13] to stabilize that, >> lower it by almost a full point and

[1:01:17] stabilize the the rate the contribution. So that's that's well done. I hats off

[1:01:21] to the to the CBIZ and everybody on the pension committee.

[1:01:24] » And we've also changed the um life expectancy

[1:01:28] tables to over time and which people are living longer. So now we have to like

[1:01:34] pull that out a little bit longer to say we have to put more money in to make it

[1:01:38] uh >> right. And we're hiring all new officers

[1:01:42] who are going to, you know, that that changes the

[1:01:45] » And we're hiring young. >> Yeah, we're hiring young and they're

[1:01:48] going to be here a while and that's going to increase the contributions as

[1:01:51] well. >> Plus, they're participating and they're

[1:01:53] putting in towards it as well. >> That's different.

[1:01:56] » Yeah, they that has nothing to do with it. Hey John, for the edification of our

[1:02:00] residents, can you just let them know what the MMO stands for? So

[1:02:03] » we all know >> minimum municipal obligation.

[1:02:06] » Thank you. >> Great. And that's the minimum. So we put

[1:02:08] in the minimum obligation and an additional 300.

[1:02:12] » So over the last three years that's going to be 900,000,

[1:02:15] » right? Additional >> additional to the 3 million we put in. I

[1:02:21] can't even remember. >> Well done.

[1:02:22] » Yes. I'll say >> any other questions or comments from the

[1:02:25] board from the public. Great news, John. Thank you.

[1:02:29] » All right, being none, let's call the question. All in favor?

[1:02:32] » I. >> All opposed? Chair votes I. Motion

[1:02:35] carries 5. Thank you. Thanks, John. All right. What do you have for us, Tom?

[1:02:44] » Besides Sarcast, >> he's up to nothing. He's up to

[1:02:46] something. I can tell. [laughter] Nothing.

[1:02:48] » No, >> I can tell he is.

[1:02:49] » So, uh, >> he's a

[1:02:51] » I think since we've met uh >> tonight, I don't think we need to meet

[1:02:54] later on in September. I would advise uh the board to uh to uh cancel the

[1:03:00] meeting that is currently scheduled for the 17th.

[1:03:03] » Any objections from the board? >> What date is that again, Sean?

[1:03:07] » 17th. >> 17th.

[1:03:08] » Okay. >> Cancel.

[1:03:09] » I have no objection. >> When's there going to be our next

[1:03:11] meeting then? >> Two questions. It'll be October 1st.

[1:03:15] » Okay. Let me take a look. I have no objection.

[1:03:18] » All right. >> Okay. Next meeting is October 1st.

[1:03:21] » All right. >> Anything else, Tom?

[1:03:23] » Yes. >> Because you skipped to 10. Now we'll go

[1:03:25] back to nine. Go ahead. [laughter] >> Does that every year?

[1:03:29] » I'm sorry. Uh we are uh with the adoption of the MMO, we are now

[1:03:34] officially forecasting and involved in budgeting for 2027. That's a those

[1:03:39] numbers are big and they help establish what uh what the base is going to be. Of

[1:03:44] course, the finance department and the department has been working diligently

[1:03:48] on that already. And that uh that concludes my remarks.

[1:03:52] Thank you. Thank you, Tom. >> Thanks, Tom.

[1:03:55] » Thank you, Thomas. >> Mr. Albert,

[1:03:56] » thank you. >> Um, I have nothing for this evening. A

[1:03:59] lot of what we normally talk about in September, we bring up in relation to

[1:04:03] our firm's other side of work with school starting, sun setting earlier. We

[1:04:07] talk a lot about it with the ebikes. So, just remember with school starting, kids

[1:04:10] are out, the buses, as we're going to go through the next two months, it's going

[1:04:14] to get darker in the morning. You know, just be careful when you're driving,

[1:04:17] please. >> All right. The other side.

[1:04:22] All right. And always, as always, last but not least,

[1:04:26] » Mr. Caner. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh just one uh

[1:04:29] note uh reminder, anybody that would like to bid on the plumbing uh contract

[1:04:34] or the fire protection contract for our soon to be new clubhouse that we'll

[1:04:39] build um hopefully next year. Um the first deadline for getting in the uh uh

[1:04:45] forms is next Tuesday, the 8th. Uh end of business. um that will be for the

[1:04:51] eligibility for the bidding and then um you having uh the bid we'll have the bid

[1:04:56] opening on September 22nd and hopefully you will be awarding two contracts at

[1:05:01] your October 1st meeting. So just a reminder I have no other changes to my

[1:05:06] report but I entertain any questions. >> Lay it on them.

[1:05:11] » I got no questions. [laughter] >> I'm ready.

[1:05:14] » So Tuesday where we paving next Tuesday. pay. [laughter]

[1:05:20] » No, that's good. >> Thank you, Craig.

[1:05:22] » Thanks, Craig. You're welcome. >> Tuesday by noon, is it?

[1:05:25] » Uh, we end the business. >> Close the business.

[1:05:27] » Close the business. >> All right.

[1:05:29] » 5 o'clock. >> Not noon. 5:30.

[1:05:32] » Not when you who you work for. [laughter]

[1:05:37] » You got it. >> All right.

[1:05:39] » All right. Thanks, Greg. >> All right. Let's go to supervisor's

[1:05:42] comments. Janice, we'll start with you. I'd just like to thank everybody that ca

[1:05:46] came out tonight and thank you for all your comments and we learned a lot about

[1:05:51] what's happening in our community that we didn't know ahead of time. We will

[1:05:54] take care of that and address those things and concerns. It was nice that we

[1:05:57] were be able to pass the ordinance to address concerns that were brought to

[1:06:00] our attention a couple weeks back and be able to get

[1:06:04] that resolved. Be careful. Be safe.

[1:06:08] » Thank you. >> Thank you,

[1:06:09] » Chuck. >> I'd like to congratulate uh Officer

[1:06:12] Cisco. um becoming, you know, a member here of the township as an officer. Um

[1:06:19] also like to uh say, you know, with school opening, everyone said it, keep

[1:06:23] your head on a swivel with these kids in these bikes, not just the ebikes, but uh

[1:06:27] the pedal bikes, cuz for some odd reason, they think they're invincible. I

[1:06:31] know I did when I was 13, 14 years old. So, just keep an eye out and uh enjoy

[1:06:37] the Labor Day weekend coming up. and uh you know got a lot of guys fought for

[1:06:42] that day off that in the labor industry that worked hard and um lost their lives

[1:06:47] for the safety and all of our uh unions and OSHA certified stuff. So enjoy your

[1:06:53] weekend. >> Well said, Chuck Barry.

[1:06:56] » I'd like to say thank you to our Warmerster Police Department on the

[1:06:59] wonderful job they do every day in the township and um wish everybody a happy

[1:07:03] and safe Labor Day weekend. And again, thanks for those that fought for our

[1:07:08] Labor Day weekend. >> Everybody enjoyed their their Labor Day

[1:07:14] and what Mary and Chuck had said about the people that that fought for their

[1:07:18] for their fight for their rights and a lot of them did die. My father was on

[1:07:22] the Pennsylvania Railroad and he talked about how how awful that was. So, I'm

[1:07:27] really glad that that we that we were able to accomplish that. and everyone

[1:07:31] have a great weekend and anybody for any brought any comments or anything we'll

[1:07:35] attend to any any issues that you may have. Thank you for coming out and

[1:07:39] thanks for the folks at home listening. That's it Mr. Chair. Thank you.

[1:07:42] » All right. So, uh most importantly

[1:07:47] is Labor Day and what it's really about. It's not about a barbecue.

[1:07:51] » It's about labor rights and don't let anyone take them away from you. Um

[1:07:57] that's [clears throat] what we do >> as organ as organized labor and we're

[1:08:02] all members of that and um we we don't know u like Chuck said Mary people have

[1:08:08] died for that what we have now >> so you don't get hurt on a job

[1:08:12] » so um you know happy Labor Day to everyone and and and chief I want to

[1:08:16] commend you and your your uh review staff and and the diligence you guys do

[1:08:22] to bring in new new recruits. I mean, I know it's not easy and uh Casey and I,

[1:08:28] Detective Burn and I have talked about some things to try to help that, but you

[1:08:33] guys do a fantastic job. I commend you for that.

[1:08:35] » Soon to be Lieutenant. >> Oh, really?

[1:08:37] » All right. >> All right. Nice.

[1:08:39] » You got the cat out of the back. >> Yeah. You heard your first.

[1:08:43] » All right. >> All right. So, be safe on Labor Day and

[1:08:47] enjoy yourselves. And nobody wants a bride in the back of a police car.

[1:08:51] » Uh, with that, I'll ask for a motion to adjurnn. Motion second.

[1:08:55] » Here we go. Ajourned. >> Ajourned.

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