[0:09] So, how old?

[0:15] nine seven eight.

[0:19] Recording in progress.

[0:21] Thank you.

[0:22] Thank you, everybody.

[0:25] Good evening.

[0:30] Great.

[0:34] Foreign select board meeting, September 8, 2020 six.

[0:40] Welcome, long.

[0:42] And where I've introduced you to us, Rebecca, I think you know we don't have the SDM and Harry is a free control of our meetings and where I was being introduced this evening.

[0:54] Do we have any public comment?

[1:01] Hello.

[1:04] Was that you, Jim?

[1:07] I don't think you're really tall.

[1:12] Jim, don't know what was not needed.

[1:14] Jim is someone talking on your background or is that elsewhere?

[1:18] Oh, thanks, friend.

[1:19] Okay, there is not asking for an SRP because somebody does that.

[1:25] We're good in public comment, then yeah.

[1:27] Identity changes.

[1:29] I don't have any.

[1:33] Anyone else?

[1:36] Nope.

[1:36] Okay.

[1:37] Uh, we have Andrew here this evening.

[1:42] Please join us.

[1:43] We'll, really, face the skeleton briefly.

[1:46] John, John is John.

[1:48] on. He's taking some classic names lately. Yeah, yeah. The alligator yesterday with Thomas.

[1:55] Okay, we had a hank and some galley.

[2:00] Welcome. Thank you. Thanks for coming. Of course, thanks for being interested. Thanks for having me.

[2:07] So we have a series of questions that we would like to ask you. Okay, but we love to give you an opportunity to do something

[2:14] and, um, fell fired this thing, why are we all up?

[2:18] Sure.

[2:19] Hi, everybody.

[2:19] I have Amber Wested.

[2:20] My name is Mastor.

[2:22] I grew up in Warren.

[2:25] I had a seven-year-old son named Will.

[2:29] And I now have my 13 and a half-year-old niece

[2:31] with us to Olivia.

[2:32] Well, goes to Warren.

[2:33] Olivia goes to Harvard Middle School.

[2:35] I am married to Lucas Weston,

[2:38] who is the, an eighth generation, Mad River Valley.

[2:44] his grandmother Marlene was postmaster for a few decades and his grandfather

[2:50] Fats Weston was the fire chief for a few decades as well so I have pretty

[2:55] deep roots here. I am interested I think it's very important to be involved in

[3:01] local government especially since I have two children who are now growing up in

[3:05] Warren. My dad was part of rotary for many years when I was growing up in my mom

[3:11] was on board like the Mad River wreck associated when it changed from just

[3:17] warm to a like Mad River one as well. So I have always watched them be a part of

[3:23] local government and I think it's imperative so that we can keep the next

[3:27] generation in mind.

[3:33] Can I just interrupt for two say are you all right?

[3:35] I am.

[3:36] Okay.

[3:40] Thank you.

[3:42] I forgot one night.

[3:43] I was a poor evening.

[3:46] Tell me?

[3:48] Tell us about maybe special interests in the board of the interstandard history and interest

[3:55] in the roles in the like, but are there any special interests that you bring to the board?

[4:00] So I am a member of the Warren School PTO.

[4:02] I'm going to my second year of secretary.

[4:04] So, I think that like my son's education and now my niece's education is one of my most important interests.

[4:12] I have was we moved to Utah for 15 years and we moved back in 2024 when my son was starting kindergarten so that he could be a part of this community and go to school at Warren.

[4:23] And so I joined the PTO right after that or a year after he had been here, but I was on the school board back in Utah what he was at preschool as well.

[4:33] So I just think being involved is the only way that we could ensure that our kids are being well taken care of it, that the resources are going to them.

[4:41] And I think keeping multi-generational families in this area and also making this a place where my son can grow up and bring his family up is super important to me.

[4:52] I also work at the day school, I'm one of the teachers up there, so really childhood education and their interest is my main concern.

[5:04] I'm just going to read down these questions.

[5:06] What do you believe makes an effective select board?

[5:09] I think have people from all walks of life.

[5:12] I think you need the older generation who has been doing it for a while.

[5:16] This will be my first time on local government if I get elected to join.

[5:21] So, the people who have bad here and know how to do it are really important to teach us who are coming up in the next generation, but I think it needs to be a mixture of people.

[5:37] Issue, reduction, you'd like to see.

[5:41] I think you're telling me.

[5:42] A big one right now is what's happening with the school.

[5:45] I know that there's talk about making a mad river valley school, so then that will lead warm school as a space that is open.

[5:52] And I think that what we need in this house is to have a municipal space where our kids can go to the gym.

[5:57] or the library or go have a piano lesson or whatever when that building is vacated eventually.

[6:05] So getting that space use for something that is going to benefit the whole town for years to come

[6:11] as important. I also think that creating a space where especially people at buy generation could feel like

[6:17] they could be involved in local government is really important because we're the next ones who are

[6:22] coming up and I don't think a lot of us even think that this is a possibility yet.

[6:33] criticism. I do my best. I work in a job that is pretty heavy handed with the

[6:39] criticism, whether it's from a toddler or a parent or a co-worker. They are, and

[6:45] they're so honest and they're usually right, which is like the scariest.

[6:48] It was a pretty new part, so I think it's important to take it in, to reflect on it, to

[6:53] think how you can better yourself in that situation, everybody's going to have a

[6:58] disagreement, so you just have to make sure that you come as your best self, and don't

[7:01] any of the outside world into a disagreement or a criticism because usually it can be stopped right there.

[7:09] What factors should the select board consider when prioritizing capital projects?

[7:20] For capital projects?

[7:24] Thanks.

[7:24] The school would be okay.

[7:26] So the I was trying to branch out from the school.

[7:30] Okay, my, like, the Capital Project is creating a space where we can be a multi-generational town and where

[7:35] our kids have a place where they can go have a birthday party. They can go do something.

[7:40] We can go as a family up there and have a family reunion because really born in the

[7:45] Mad River Valley and surrounding areas is the only place where we don't have a huge town hall that

[7:50] has a space or something like that. If you've ever had to try and have a birthday party in the top

[7:54] or of the town hall, it's pretty like, we have.

[7:58] Overwhelming.

[7:59] Yes.

[8:00] And as they get older, so having a gym or a place like that would be very helpful.

[8:04] And also keeping the tennis court going, and the field's going, so our kids who live

[8:09] in war can actually go, do sports and do the things that they love in war and not have to go

[8:14] 20 minutes to wait, field or face in, and then come home, and then dinner, school on a school

[8:21] night, and showers, and all that stuff.

[8:23] So it makes it hard.

[8:24] What

[8:28] do you think some of the best ways that we as Blackboard members can communicate with our community?

[8:35] I think town meeting is a good one.

[8:37] I was always a bad friend, that's not sure.

[8:41] I think that, you know, today's generation of these social media is really important because that's how we see the most engagement from the people on the PTO when we do our social media posts.

[8:53] I think, you know, we can always use the value reporter in front of porch for them, but I don't think that, especially as the generations get younger and more technology involved, that those are maybe the best place to put all the information out there has to be across all medias and outlets.

[9:12] Do you have an interest in social media?

[9:14] I do a lot of social media for PTO. I helped Jamie come and out a lot of people and kind of

[9:19] part of the same thing that you like to do. Yeah, because some people is like soul sucking.

[9:23] Oh, I don't know. I don't have a host a lot of social media, but I don't mind doing it for PTO or other

[9:29] organizations that I've been on before or it's like for soccer and all that stuff. I feel I'm pretty good at it.

[9:35] I try not to have it involved by take over my life, but something we've talked about a lot and we often end up with

[9:41] who has capacity. I would definitely be willing and probably be able to have the capacity to do that because I have noticed that that's

[9:49] what place where we can't get like more in town updates. If you have to go to kind of work for a value report or if some of us just don't remember to do that.

[10:00] I just have something quick to ask Amber. So I on average probably send this group. What would you guys say?

[10:13] Do you anticipate that you would have time to sort of, you know, catch up on emails, be able to respond all that kind of in a timely manner because most of the stuff is, you know, pretty time consuming and, you know, time sensitive and, yep.

[10:28] Yeah, I definitely try to be most on top of it as I can't. I like it that I am a mom.

[10:33] We do have our niece living with us now. Thankfully my job has a built-in 2-3 hour window

[10:38] where everybody's napping and that's usually where I get my responses done.

[10:42] I bring my computer Sarah Horleys my boss who is the president of the Warren PTO,

[10:48] so she's very willing to allow me to take that time to respond to emails and get what needs to be done.

[10:54] Oh, I want to do this here on that.

[10:56] Yeah, yeah, it's part of my business break.

[11:00] It was a really hard day, not the second day.

[11:02] It was from here.

[11:03] We do one app a day, but they do a good job from 12 to 3.

[11:10] Um,

[11:12] sorry.

[11:13] I just asked if I should.

[11:23] Well, I'm going to go.

[11:24] How would you evaluate whether a project is a good use of taxpayer dollars?

[11:30] I would, you know, as a taxpayer in this valley, I wouldn't take my own personal interested

[11:39] to consideration.

[11:40] I would also ask my other board members to get their input because I would be new to this.

[11:47] And I also think it's important to talk to the other people around me who are a part of this

[11:52] town and also contributed to taxes like the people I work with.

[11:56] and my other peers on PTO and other soccer parents and get there and put because really that's

[12:03] what we're here for us to be a voice for them and so I think it's important to get everybody's

[12:06] input and it's a good way to cover a lot of pieces.

[12:22] Are there particular skills or perspectives

[12:25] that you feel are unique to you that you bring to board? I think it was really hard to leave

[12:31] more and 15 years or almost 15 years but I think it was really important for me to grow up and see

[12:36] Now, what I liked about being away, but also what I missed in it ultimately was the reason

[12:42] that we moved home, and so I think that it cooperated some of the other experiences

[12:47] I've had in life on boards and other states and towns that are quite different from the

[12:54] values of this town, but some of their ideas definitely were effective, and also just trying

[12:59] to remember that Michael is to make a sound like a multigenerational town, and so to keep

[13:05] Those in mine,

[13:10] any other questions?

[13:14] Any other questions?

[13:14] Anylor and I had.

[13:16] Anything else you want to tell us?

[13:18] Ask us?

[13:19] With questions for us.

[13:21] Not really.

[13:23] I am just excited to be part of the process.

[13:27] I appreciate the time that you guys have given me.

[13:31] Like I said this would be my first time in local government.

[13:33] So, I'm going to stay.

[13:35] I think you have to go home a little earlier than I was hoping but definitely I'll be in for

[13:39] other meetings and just watching the process.

[13:40] I think I got a good idea of what happens at town meeting this past years.

[13:45] That's not good.

[13:47] There are some more cities in the area.

[13:50] That kind of answered a lot of questions that I had.

[13:53] And I just think that, you know, you guys do a lot of things for people in this town.

[13:58] And there's a lot of different opinions that you have to deal with.

[14:01] And so, um, hopefully I could just be a support.

[14:04] And you're mostly about, like, one of the cave roads and the cave bridges.

[14:07] Yep.

[14:14] Thanks for coming, thanks for being interested, or we will absolutely let you know.

[14:20] Thank you.

[14:22] And please stay as you'd like and understand if you need to see that.

[14:30] Nice.

[14:32] Nice.

[14:33] I know.

[14:34] We are running a little bit of a schedule.

[14:36] Is that okay for you or do you want us to come back?

[14:38] I have to go to Water and Resort another meeting.

[14:41] Okay, so it's good to be there.

[14:42] I was just ready to go and say, hey, I'm gonna relate most likely, but this is amazing.

[14:47] Thank you.

[14:48] Yeah, I know.

[14:49] I'll be back.

[14:50] Rebecca, do you have?

[14:51] Yeah, they're just holding up.

[14:53] Thank you.

[14:54] Saw the new path by River Sides.

[14:57] It looks good.

[14:58] Yeah, I'm a bit down there, yeah.

[15:01] Say what the city council,set a board meeting at��고, set a card, can we do that John?

[15:08] You said wow.

[15:11] We get eight windows, there's no one in here.

[15:15] That's all local.

[15:17] Tell us, how do you start this lecture?

[15:21] How do you start this lecture, this is something I'm supposed to know.

[15:23] Go to slide上.

[15:25] Let me try. Let me try for me getting.

[15:28] I'm learning. I'm learning. Good job.

[15:33] I see time.

[15:35] Well thank you for finding time to meet with me.

[15:37] There's a lot to cover. I'm going to give you an update where we're at.

[15:41] And look ahead at 2027. I had a time.

[15:46] So it's not like a pressing thing.

[15:52] So to move forward the slide.

[15:56] So Kingsbury Greenway Accessibility Improvements and

[15:59] bridge reconstruction. The all the structural work is completed on the bridge and the path

[16:07] is done and we are finishing ramps and the woodwork on the bridge and there's a still more

[16:15] metal stiffening members that we need to bolt at the bottom and I've been avoiding that because

[16:20] drill from underneath, but it's hard to say what that stream is going to do is so dynamic,

[16:31] but we showed it up to the very best it could be showed up and when we bought ourselves years

[16:40] of like how many years we just don't know it. Please, if you have time come and take a look

[16:49] walk through. It's what we've dreamed about for past three and a half years and it's

[16:55] a first section of completed Medra Path in the war 90% complete. How did the fundraising end?

[17:03] Or do you want to hold questions in the future? No, there it is. I will next slide. Let's move over.

[17:08] It's perfect. We'll keep moving. I think baby, down, sometimes.

[17:14] This is how it ended up being, it ended up being about $94,000, the man that being a little

[17:21] more because we still haven't been built by metalworks, we're going on that based on their

[17:26] estimate.

[17:30] But if I learned a lot about how does it, how do you budget at a time of rapid inflation and a lot

[17:38] prices going up as you go. So you really have to budget up. Otherwise, so how did fundraising go?

[17:47] We have spent about 36,000 dollars from our reserves to complete this project.

[17:54] It will be raised the rest because project went so much over a budget. But we felt like a board

[18:00] felt like we have to complete the project. It's what we said to do and we depleted our

[18:07] reserves but it's going to be completely done. We had to cut a couple things. We didn't go. We

[18:14] were originally going to go from south of Kingsbury Bridge to Wavnakirakirakirishair

[18:20] in the surface that and a little section at Warren Lodge from the bridge to the parking lot,

[18:26] even in the surface that. So, workable but that we just had to cut.

[18:30] We didn't get it.

[18:31] We didn't do those two things.

[18:33] Otherwise, there it is.

[18:35] And it's done.

[18:37] As an answer, your question?

[18:38] Yeah.

[18:39] I'm just trying to look back at what you thought it might cost.

[18:43] The original before last spring, before all the damage that the stream did undermining the

[18:50] $15,000 a button.

[18:51] We were at about $55,000 and $55,000, which is what I'll counter it with timber and stone.

[18:59] and the big timber and stone are great to work with. They're amazing. They deployed and got everything done in a week.

[19:06] And I think about how this guy's work compared to how some work you see on the road, how long it takes.

[19:14] There were just six people crew and they just hit the ground running. I said you guys want me to give you some history.

[19:19] They don't know, come at lunch. But we're going to get started. So it's a great partnership. We developed.

[19:25] Great. Okay.

[19:27] So we could move forward unless there are questions about this project.

[19:32] It's best to speak for itself.

[19:34] It's a fine time to take your dog for a walk on a kid's bike ride.

[19:39] It's really great.

[19:40] It's great to work with Warren Lodge.

[19:42] It's a young friend who's super helpful.

[19:45] At one point, we needed to change the grade.

[19:50] We had materials and we asked him to give materials right there.

[19:55] you would never notice, you know, yeah, do what you need to do. So, it's really nice

[19:59] people to work with. Okay, so here are other projects more, projects and more,

[20:06] we've constructed, biking, biking, backpacker, campsite, cloud work farm and it's been used

[20:13] quite consistent and really nice, you know, I walk out of the losses the other day and there's a large

[20:18] group of bike packers looking at their phones and I will of course say, are you guys thinking

[20:23] You're looking for a place to camp there like yes, yes, it's getting dark. It's okay

[20:26] I tell you exactly ready to go. We have group of kids bike-packing groups staying there for a whole week

[20:32] And the bathroom is working great. There's no smell. It's doing this job composting great partnership with Cloudwater Farm

[20:41] We applied for a bike bed grid. You remember back in the spring we're supposed to hear in the middle of August

[20:47] that's typical for V-transitime line, it's middle of September, and I asked for this meeting

[20:52] when we were here. They said the answer was verbatim, hopefully soon.

[20:57] The official answer.

[21:01] We submitted two applications for demonstration projects. It took a long time,

[21:07] but it's done. Thank you for letting us work with V-H-B and those meetings that all help.

[21:12] So for crossing right here in the village, the application is out and for Kingsbury Greenway

[21:18] boards for bike lanes boards, so now it's under review, we trust review.

[21:27] We are doing Recation Economy Studies, we have five trail counters for the entire season,

[21:34] it's five busiest locations including one at Blueberry Lake and other locations such as

[21:40] bridge street, Losson's boardwalk, La Roe swimming hall, revolution evolution, and those

[21:48] are full-time, the whole season, June, through October, trail counters. So we're not approximating,

[21:55] we're actually counting for the whole season, and it paired up with a recreational economy survey

[22:00] for both visitors and residents. And at the end of the season we'll be able to put it all together

[22:07] produce what is our current trail use, very well documented, and then based on that project

[22:17] what will happen when we complete the past. So it's not using other people's data, it's using

[22:24] in our own day now.

[22:27] Oh, it was a guy, our volunteers.

[22:31] We need more volunteers, we still have several busy weekends because of course we're getting a lot of local data online surveys, but we're only ready to get visitors data if the trailheads with clipboards, so we need more volunteers, but it's going great. We're about 300 complaints surveys hoping to get another 100 people at the end of the season to have enough data.

[22:56] And those are the surveys that you're doing after trialheads, can you add online?

[23:00] I don't even have to trailheads and online, but online we're hitting locals because

[23:04] all part of our organizations sent them out to all people.

[23:09] But 300 is it all of both of them?

[23:10] Yeah, we need more visitor service.

[23:13] It's heavy on locals, not enough visitors yet.

[23:18] So, there's no record.

[23:19] Did you do update for the board on the sugar bush access role?

[23:22] Yep, I put it in my token share part.

[23:25] All right, so we are,

[23:29] We're hoping that we will be able to use that transportation alternatives, programs,

[23:35] grant with the end of November deadline to be able to apply for additional funding.

[23:41] And all the things need to line up, and Jeff is pushing his hardest.

[23:45] He can't on VHB. It's all on VHB's court.

[23:49] And it's going to come to you.

[23:50] And you guys are going to do it very quickly.

[23:52] So that's right away.

[23:54] Maps, and then it's going to go to Vtrend Review, and they're going to direct their feet.

[23:58] But unless we have a final design by the end of November,

[24:02] we wouldn't know what the budget is.

[24:03] We wouldn't know what the older round is.

[24:05] And we wouldn't be able to apply.

[24:06] And we're going to lose construction season next year.

[24:09] Because it's clearly going to be way more than what we have.

[24:12] But just want to remind you that that grant,

[24:14] when you apply for the over-around inflational over-up,

[24:18] it does not require local match.

[24:21] They just say, you need this much more money to finish

[24:24] and they're committed to it.

[24:26] So at least that's how they explain it to us.

[24:29] Hopefully we'll get there.

[24:32] Before you move on, you said,

[24:38] we need to turn something around really quickly.

[24:40] Well, that will be coming to you.

[24:42] So right now, the VHB are preparing right away maps.

[24:47] As soon as they said, they're going to get them done this week.

[24:49] They'll send them to you, Tom, for you.

[24:51] Okay.

[24:52] And we need to send them back.

[24:54] Yeah, as a board, you are turning the town of turning you to review that, I believe.

[25:00] It's a turning review, and then it goes to V-trends review, and then once V-trends reviews them,

[25:06] we can then go and sign right away agreements.

[25:09] So how long do you want, how long do we have to turn that out on the other side?

[25:13] Because your work is on the other side.

[25:15] You know, I know it's possible, because V-trends, we have no leverage, just where we have leverage,

[25:21] let's use leverage, it's your only place we have.

[25:24] But they do not. We know that we wish to build in 27. They know they promised us that

[25:30] we'll be the latest, we're going to be building 27. And they're saying, oh, we probably

[25:34] know it's probably not going to happen because it's so tight.

[25:38] It's tight. Come on guys. Crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Well, we'll, we'll learning because you can go to

[25:46] Next slide.

[25:50] You try.

[25:54] It's a, thank you.

[25:56] All right, peace out.

[25:57] That's at the campsite, John Rickard,

[26:01] you're one resident in incredible

[26:03] a past board member in Stuart working with

[26:06] our AmeriCorps service member Abby,

[26:08] you learn a lot, partnering with Yestermore,

[26:11] great partnership.

[26:12] We can move on.

[26:15] This is the map, hard to see, map of 27, 27 implementation priorities, but you've seen this, you've seen this many enough times, that it's pretty simple.

[26:32] Sorry, that's fine.

[26:35] So these are our implementation priorities in one.

[26:39] complete this two demonstration projects. We talked about it. And the next year we would

[26:48] like to continue constructing from the end of Kingsbury Bridge and go all the way to

[26:53] Magra Falls. That's of course a tall order but there will be no vehicle. So we would reach

[26:59] Warren, Wadesville townlines, there will be historic thing and all we would be left in Warren

[27:03] is that first mile, the roof, say park, plus improvements in the village, and then it is

[27:12] our goal provided that you guys put it to the voters to apply for the bike band rent for

[27:18] the first mile. We could flip the slide and talk about this in a little more detail.

[27:34] So, it

[27:35] bridge south to men but false. The way it works with the trance that we learned is if we

[27:41] have a path all the way to Kingsbury Bridge and on the other side we have a path all

[27:46] of the Kingsbury Bridge and most left is the bridge they are actually going to be forced

[27:51] to either allow us to put a slain with bullets or to say you guys need to apply for grant

[27:57] to build a bike pedestrian bridge because when this is kind of how they work they have to

[28:03] on both ends of them and they have a small,

[28:06] unconnected place and then they say we have to do something here and then they do it.

[28:12] So that's why this is the next logical to continue even though we have the gap.

[28:16] Let's get that done.

[28:18] One point you guys and what was the decision you've just

[28:23] How do you know?

[28:29] Hopefully, we will be able to apply.

[28:31] I'm right now, I feel 15% certain that we can push the root

[28:35] and then we'll be able to apply the grant,

[28:37] which means that we'll move close

[28:39] as a construction, 50% with the root.

[28:41] And it's just to be clear

[28:44] the section that you just did,

[28:46] how they're significant amount of bridge

[28:48] of buttoning repairs, driving across to that piece.

[28:51] Not big time, half the cost was...

[28:52] And the rest of it is like, basically flat path through the meta?

[28:57] Yes, it's less expensive to construct a path through the meta than it is.

[29:02] It is to repair the bridge, and do welding and welding.

[29:09] Right, so it's not, I like.

[29:11] And we already, mine from our house, last year we replaced a bridge at Cloudwater Farm, already, with the big...

[29:19] We had it in order for a center grant and we built the sturdy bridge, so the bridge is done, it was section.

[29:30] Okay, and then we would like to apply it for a bike pad grant for the first mile, if down a proof local match at the town, me.

[29:39] That was kind of picking up back where we ended the last conversation.

[29:42] So maybe it'll be because discuss it in a minute when I finish we can go down and show you the budget of the bar.

[29:51] Let me slide.

[29:56] So this is the construction budget for from Kingsbury.

[30:00] We expressed, we could get this as what we propose. We are proposing to put together a bunch of funding. So today we wrote a window fundation grant. This is right now, planning for a year from now. Some of these things we are not going to get, we are going to look for other things about what we do have now with Jeff and Jeff. At this point, we have this Seek construction season to land. He is writing one grant a week and so he won't get A, he will do the job.

[30:32] This is this is speculative, right?

[30:35] Things with a validation grant because this path is on a Belmont.

[30:41] And as you know, we have an agreement with Belmont.

[30:44] And what you don't know is that we've had a lot of me who Belmont

[30:47] can be mapped out the route.

[30:49] And a current route is from Blueberry Lake Belmont

[30:52] will come to Fuller Hill Road and come down Fuller Hill Road

[30:57] to warm village, and from warm village, follow the active transportation corridor out to

[31:04] the bottom of the hill road, and then go up now. If you're not mountain bike or it's going to be

[31:10] a gibberish butter up, enchanted forest, evolution revolution down to wreck up.

[31:17] And because they agreed to this route, we become eligible for their funding, and they have funding.

[31:22] So we meet with them soon.

[31:24] They said they will help to get there, to be developed.

[31:28] So this is the section from Blueberry Lake,

[31:32] to for help via the Blueberry Lake, the old connector

[31:34] through the trails or on the road.

[31:37] From Blueberry Lake to for Hill,

[31:39] we need to develop connector.

[31:41] There is an unofficial connector there.

[31:43] And so that's the work that the riders

[31:46] have been a little bit working on, but I'll have to

[31:50] have to take it on going forward. So I would need to permit that connector. It's a very short

[31:55] distance. But I think it's also private property. Working with landowners, finding the

[32:01] willing landowners. The risk of connection is just not on the map. But no permission says

[32:07] been asked. It's a plan.

[32:11] We are next week, we'll be applying for state of demand. It's a building

[32:15] grounds grant us correct district use their annual contribution towards this project use the

[32:24] rotary grant for this project erase $2,000 with community and then ask both Warren and

[32:31] Whitesfield because now they're crossing the line right right when we cross to that so it's

[32:36] exactly 0.6 of a mile just happened in Warren and 0.6 of a mile in Whitesfield. So this is

[32:42] where we do that both down to contribute to the total estimation using our, what we learned

[32:50] this year is $190,000.

[32:53] Which will also get us back to finish this little two little sections that we haven't finished.

[33:01] What will drive the cost, Devon, is Bumpfuy, Camaro, the Kingsbury Bridge, we'll have to build

[33:10] loop to have a hole in that guardrail to come out on the road. If we do the US permission

[33:18] to put bolers across the bridge, we won't be going to the end of Babanaki. We want to

[33:25] minimize the time people are on the road so we would make a tighter loop than it would

[33:29] be a cut. And the same on the other side of the bridge we want to go right down to cloud

[33:35] far too many miles to die people are on the road okay so like like an inner state

[33:41] access loop yeah I'm both side off of the trail on to the bridge yeah and that is

[33:51] accounted for this come to four but likely not going to be permitted by

[33:55] veterans in time for next construction season but what if we can move down unless

[34:03] questions about this. I had a quick question. You said that developing that trail from

[34:10] blueberry lake down the through weight field via all the things in the

[34:16] conversation,

[34:20] the path eligible for funding for that one, right? Yeah, so

[34:24] vellumont likes to come into communities and they like to say vellumont is coming through

[34:28] your community and we bring funding with us. We're not just using your trail

[34:33] So we're helping you. So we had several meetings and we're meeting with the development director.

[34:38] They want to understand the budget and they want to help.

[34:41] That's, as far as we went, there's no commitment of any particular dollar.

[34:46] I see. So it's projecting a certain amount.

[34:50] And even, so I'm just curious if that amount will be used for the Kingsbury

[34:55] to Mad Bush connection, or those funds will be used to establish the connection from a blueberry to four.

[35:02] Now, that's, those are the funds we'll be used for what we're doing next year.

[35:08] So, that connects our connections.

[35:10] We look very typical.

[35:11] Our hell isn't necessarily good.

[35:13] We tell you, it hasn't been planned.

[35:15] The reason we can do this project is because Cloud Warfarm is protected with remote land trust,

[35:24] with remote land trust, with whom we have relationship with who we walk the path,

[35:27] and both the land owner and the land trust agree.

[35:30] This is a good project, this is an agreement, same as yesterday Maro agreed that this is a good project, they want to see this happen.

[35:38] You know, this is the biggest barrier to this development.

[35:41] You need to have learned our permission, the same is when we are in the town of Warrenland, the town of Greece with that.

[35:46] Once that's in place, and we know that we're not in wetlands or in the flood, we are in the floodplain kind of a cloud waterfall,

[35:55] but we're not in wetlands, we're just going on an existing field tomorrow.

[35:59] So I'm taking state wetland specialists through all of those sections to make sure that when

[36:07] we do apply for a primitive we need to, there's no issues.

[36:13] That's Shen.

[36:15] We're doing the whole, we're meeting at the parking right here, we're going to go all the way

[36:19] the way south.

[36:20] We're there.

[36:20] And the legislators are coming too.

[36:23] Well, this is really good timing because we're doing the 27 budget, early this year we're

[36:28] going to do it next month.

[36:29] So it's going to have the number, the ask, as we look at the budget.

[36:36] So this is the summary. Next slide is the summary of twenty-seven.

[36:40] That was it. That was it.

[36:42] That was it.

[36:43] You didn't just call that, I think.

[36:45] That's the last slide.

[36:56] Great. Thank you.

[36:59] So they're four, they're four parts to this ask.

[37:03] I will hopefully do a continue funding implementation coordinator position.

[37:08] Jeff is doing exactly what we hired in for and increasing our capacity.

[37:16] We hope that you will contribute $20,000 to the construction next year which will represent 10.5% down match.

[37:27] I've been meaning to ask you this for a while.

[37:30] We are mowing 1.1 miles of path in Warren and putting dog bags at 5 locations. This is a fraction, of course,

[37:40] of our mowing, I'm mowing all the others over $8,000 a season. So I do need to find ways to pay, to pay for this.

[37:48] This is kind of crazy to be, trust to be fundraising. It's like I'm paying for mowing and dog bags in the box.

[37:58] There is all of course all of us, you guys will deliberate and discuss, and then if you

[38:02] will be willing to put a local match for the first mile, or in Willis-Jurversite, part

[38:07] to the voters, and then we'll have time, if people approve this, we'll have time to decide

[38:15] whether we want which route we take, whether we take a route of applying for those federal

[38:20] grants and using it as a match, or we take a route of having the entrance, allow us to be able

[38:26] path in a right away with our own, with our own resources.

[38:32] In the meantime, we're also looking for engineering grant.

[38:36] We always looking for the grant that could allow us to engineer that regardless of how

[38:41] we can build it.

[38:43] And the last thing I would like to know that your conservation commission makes decisions

[38:49] about downland. Do you remember that the worn path from school is not end that continues

[39:00] on the old grader logging road that gradually comes down to the Med River across from just

[39:07] south of Quail Bend and there's a place there on a nice suspension bridge could connect us to

[39:15] pretty much travel I, from where we have this far to go to a riverside park. And that's

[39:24] when I started my job and I scouted it out, the conservation commission said,

[39:29] we don't want any trails there because it's a wildlife corridor and it may be worth a while to

[39:38] visit this because it's all about it's time and money, right. We see how hard it is to work

[39:50] in a right way of the state highway and how long it takes. Whereas it's all a down land

[39:56] and just one private parcel. If we were to explore the possibility it could be just a lot faster.

[40:01] So, we have a lot of eating woods, that's what, that's what eating woods, but the eating

[40:08] would be only in the extra. So, you know, to this trail, in fact, behind the scoring,

[40:14] the warm trail, the warm trail, the warm trail, it continues on, on an old grade, there's

[40:19] a no beautiful stone grade, right? And then it just ends, it doesn't end. The road continues,

[40:25] It's just the sign trail ends.

[40:28] So continuing from there is no discharge,

[40:32] no discharge, there's an old road,

[40:34] farmer road that goes all the way down

[40:36] and it just crosses one property,

[40:40] which I think is the broadest, is the broadest.

[40:42] It's the broadest.

[40:43] It's the broadest.

[40:44] Yeah, the farm, the farm, the crops,

[40:48] sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[40:50] Anyway, it's just something to at least look at,

[40:53] And I, with your permission, I would discuss it with the conservation commission and you have talked about it three years ago and it was all new and now everybody understands more about the project and understand better how difficult it is for us to have expensive.

[41:15] It is. So yeah, just so I'm clear. So that's an alternative to going to be an alternative.

[41:20] There would be an alternative. That would be a lot more enjoyable because we would be the difficult part there would be a bridge.

[41:30] But bridges can be made. We're not talking about a road bridge.

[41:35] And there push back was.

[41:37] They just said wildlife corridors that they would like to not have any trails in that area.

[41:43] It seems like from a safety perspective it would be a lot more appealing.

[41:49] Even though your trail will be off 100, I mean, having all those people on 100,

[41:53] always makes me a little anxious from a safety perspective.

[41:58] If there's an alternative,

[42:01] it will be great.

[42:02] Thank you for the feedback. It's worth taking a look at.

[42:06] So with your permission, I would explore that.

[42:09] Explore the possibility.

[42:10] Yeah, I don't, I mean I don't think it's our permission per se to give you the right to talk to the conservation commissioner not.

[42:20] He knows very approachable.

[42:23] I know that in my conversations with him he has expressed concerns mostly because of dogs.

[42:32] And that wild life corridor is specific to predators who are very wary of using spaces where domestic dogs have been.

[42:42] So that corridor in particular is a large travel corridor for bobcats and fox and coyote and bear.

[42:49] And their concern is that with the influx of people and dogs that it will disrupt the movement of our predator species.

[42:59] that was the last time station here in our head.

[43:04] I don't even remember, I think that was like when I started working on the committee.

[43:09] I think he had asked me your chat to him. I don't know what you guys think.

[43:13] I think it's worth another discussion, yeah.

[43:16] Something's such a better idea.

[43:18] Yeah, it's so much better.

[43:20] To get it out of the village, like to distribute past this whole intersection,

[43:28] because we're not at 100 intersection.

[43:31] We wouldn't have that.

[43:32] Plot the mass.

[43:33] It's a bit ways.

[43:34] It could be so much cool.

[43:34] It'd be much more beautiful.

[43:36] Yeah.

[43:37] And then it's, let's see.

[43:39] Much more logical to me.

[43:41] I can't really say to be a wildlife expert,

[43:44] but both the foxes and coyotes

[43:45] could care less about our hound dogs

[43:47] going down the river driveway every night.

[43:49] A lot of video of that.

[43:51] Oh, yeah.

[43:52] There's a lot of problems.

[43:53] Probably the, I would imagine it's bats that are more.

[43:57] I don't know either.

[43:59] Yeah, I think it sounds like you have support from the Board in general.

[44:02] Yeah, I think that sounds very good to me.

[44:06] Let's see where they go.

[44:08] See where they go.

[44:09] Yep.

[44:10] OK.

[44:11] So that's how to give you as big or big shares.

[44:16] As I can.

[44:17] I had a time to give you time to just think it through

[44:19] and I was always appreciated working with you.

[44:23] And here's why we don't, why this isn't the $400,000 is in $420,000, where we can just sort of combine two and four together and put that in front of the voters as one ask, as opposed to the two things being separated.

[44:41] Well, we sort of really could. I think it's up to us how we present the past ask.

[44:47] I think, and please, Misha, jump in if I'm not re-enriding your thoughts appropriately here.

[44:54] But the $20,000 ask is an easier thing for the board to say.

[45:00] Okay, we would do willing to put that in the budget, but that we have already expressed that we're not comfortable spending $400,000 without explicit approval from the voters.

[45:12] So keeping that separate in that way, knowing that, like we're talking about a large expense, I think that's what we have.

[45:20] But when we look at the budget, you know, October, I think we can reconsider that if we wanted to come by.

[45:26] We can do whatever we want.

[45:31] I think that's a little bit for when you show it.

[45:34] Sorry, is it in the net?

[45:36] He's expressing it multiple times.

[45:38] It's a multi-pronged approach.

[45:39] We're just going to keep trying to make work what we can make work

[45:42] so that there's always a piece capable to be developed.

[45:47] Yeah.

[45:47] And the thing about the $400,000 match,

[45:50] this was the match to the grant,

[45:52] to build that mile, if we have time to begin now and the town meeting to learn whether conservation

[46:01] commission is approachable. If they are approachable, then we're going to learn if a bridge

[46:07] is permissible. We already developed relationship with bridge people. But to a little bridge

[46:14] we thought that's going to be super hard. Not at all. They came and they said, yeah, you've

[46:18] there. And yeah, we all love ecological restoration, but you don't have time on money for this

[46:24] get rip wrap, rip air. And they said, you should get into the stream and excavate this gravel

[46:32] that we're on the bank for the lay surprises, but how logical they work. So, let us give it a try.

[46:42] And we'll figure 5,000 for a bridge over a stream versus 2 million for a mile, over 100.

[46:49] When the mile back in the woods would be beautiful and scenic and continue the trail that all the kids take every day.

[46:56] The other alternatives walking along 100.

[46:59] I mean, kind of seems like an abranger.

[47:02] So let's learn about it.

[47:05] But that's 400,000 was going to be over time.

[47:07] Remember that?

[47:08] Well, there is a thousand dollars a year.

[47:11] There's more.

[47:11] It's a four-year commitment.

[47:15] And then by the time of the town, he will be able to have a economic data from our

[47:20] study because people are always asking.

[47:23] It's an investment.

[47:24] It's not we are actually spending money.

[47:27] We're creating a durable investment for the town of Warren.

[47:36] I guess there is a situation that could occur if the Conservation Commission is open.

[47:43] the development of that path, that would shift the focus of that big head grant.

[47:49] More of, absolutely.

[47:51] If they were to say yes to that, would that grant still be something that you'd want to apply for?

[47:57] Is that one eligible for that?

[47:59] I don't think so.

[48:00] I think that the grant, as you see it, is what it takes.

[48:04] Because the more headache, I think we would be, we would be, we would be,

[48:08] we would take the same approach as we're taking on to redevelopment of what we do now.

[48:12] Okay. The patchwork of local and private foundations and fundraising and moving a little bit at a time.

[48:21] I think it's four years or better spent moving a little bit at a time forward rather than being a head against the wall.

[48:29] So there's a possibility given what the conservation commission said in the moment before it's decided that we would take off the table.

[48:37] There is, or there is a possibility that we want this to be a down funded project fully or partially that we would make an ask because to be sure a bridge like that will be a half a million dollar project.

[48:57] A bridge across the Mad River that spends the floodplain.

[49:01] It's no, it's no small project.

[49:04] It's the Bridge over Mill Bridge over Mill Brook currently,

[49:08] is with the additions of the path.

[49:11] It's a $720,000 project and Mill Brook

[49:16] and the Mad River in this section

[49:19] is sort of like a little bit comfortable to me in volume.

[49:24] And you think it's a whole set of 720?

[49:26] Right, with the Trans Money, the Bridge across Mill Brook.

[49:31] 300 yards upstream from that, without the trans money, three years ago was 400,000, right?

[49:38] That's a bridge, it's a bridge, it's a wreck hub.

[49:41] So we have comparable, because easiest way to do this is with a pre-fabricated bridge,

[49:46] that's just working on a bucket.

[49:49] But this is I'm speculating, let's take time.

[49:52] But the important part of what you just said is that the minute we ask the

[49:54] trans to participate, the cost nearly doubled.

[49:59] Maybe it's a third more or maybe it's quite as much.

[50:02] She doubles and it's exponentially longer.

[50:08] But the end result of this, if we're willing to wait, are durable and proved.

[50:12] This given it's all done, set and done, that should have waspath is going to surpass.

[50:18] And it's width and quality to what we are building here.

[50:21] It's true, because they're mandated to feed, but we're able to build is good enough.

[50:32] It's not 10 feet, but it's 6 feet. People can walk side by side. Now I go there and

[50:37] if people are walking through your breasts and talking to each other, it's good.

[50:43] So we all need to go use the trail that has been improved recently.

[50:47] And if anyone wants to volunteer at Truhuts, to do service.

[50:53] There will be some sort of available at the...

[50:55] Get the pass.

[50:56] Yeah, we have to clear the boards.

[50:58] Yeah.

[50:59] Yep.

[50:59] I think we definitely want to talk again

[51:03] October and November about your discussions with Edo

[51:07] and how to think about that.

[51:10] Great.

[51:10] I'll make sure to meet the Conservation Commission

[51:13] between now and as soon as they able to meet with me.

[51:17] And if you guys want to, on your own, express your interest in this happening, I'm sure it will help.

[51:23] Okay.

[51:25] Great.

[51:26] This is the concentration commission.

[51:27] How is it going?

[51:29] How is that?

[51:29] Like, who gets to, who does, who gets to decide whether or not that actually goes through it?

[51:35] Like, do they recommend?

[51:36] Yeah.

[51:37] They've actually made recommendations to us.

[51:41] In practice, we lean on them and accept their judgment.

[51:47] because they're doing that work.

[51:49] Yeah, that's good point.

[51:50] I think this is one of the authorities.

[51:53] Good job.

[51:56] John, I just wanted to add that the Warren Pass,

[52:00] you know, with the dog parked there down,

[52:03] the amount of traffic that that trail gets is just amazing.

[52:07] You know, I've stewarded that for three years,

[52:10] and it leads to the vista trail,

[52:12] and that's gotten a lot more traffic on it.

[52:15] You know, it's quite well used, especially if it's up there this past year holiday weekend, and there were just people coming up and down, and then, you know, the dog issue, you know, people have the dog park, but they tend to go for a walk.

[52:30] A number walk and then kind of let the dog socialize in the dog part, but that's just brought a lot more people up in that area.

[52:39] You know, the leash thing is, you know, I'm conflicted, you know, because there, you know, goofy little dogs, you know, you know, not kind of bother anybody.

[52:49] And there are certain people that have them on the leash and can say, pull them off to the side, very considerate.

[52:56] And, you know, it's a steward, you know, you don't want to just be kind of, you know, get that dog on a leash and, you know, it's an issue everywhere, but it is it, you know, enforcing that or what, and I know it's a valley-wide issue now.

[53:18] It certainly has become a bigger issue.

[53:24] I'm not sure we're ready to talk about that one tonight.

[53:27] No, no, no, no.

[53:28] I was going to say how great it is that that don't park

[53:32] and the amount of traffic and the amount of use that traffic.

[53:35] Yeah.

[53:35] It can continue on their river side.

[53:38] Yeah, what do you even call great?

[53:40] I do think just with respect to the ducking

[53:43] that it will be important to work together with the path

[53:46] because you're not about, is there a way in which we can build

[53:51] off each path, some on each path?

[53:54] And I know that there are a lot of facets to that,

[53:57] because by the private landowners and we don't want anyone to

[54:00] work very easily, because of that.

[54:03] So there's probably a lot of work to be done there.

[54:06] There is, and with the work should be, we should be

[54:09] responding rather than reacting.

[54:12] So tomorrow there's a first meeting with all the

[54:14] interested parties that wait for this hosting with people who listen to each other.

[54:22] I just want to make sure that...

[54:23] Well, I just know about that one.

[54:25] Yes.

[54:26] It's a more than nine o'clock at wait.

[54:28] So this is the invited specific...

[54:30] Oh, okay.

[54:31] Interesting.

[54:32] I don't think so.

[54:36] But...

[54:36] I would just say, again, we are on the trails every day from all the trails.

[54:41] the vast majority of dogs that will behave dogs,

[54:45] vast majority of dog owners are responsible dog owners.

[54:49] If we're going to make decisions based on one percent

[54:51] of irresponsible citizen in any given situation,

[54:56] what kind of world we're going to have.

[55:01] So there are, can we do better?

[55:03] There are things we can do.

[55:05] So I look forward to thinking through what we can do better.

[55:08] And then, last thing, I don't know if you guys have seen the new map over the measure of pass.

[55:15] I have them.

[55:18] I have them.

[55:19] Thank you.

[55:22] I'm going to put mine in this final pass.

[55:26] All those can in the main of Ari's final pass.

[55:29] Who was on the cover?

[55:31] Did you get that?

[55:32] Yeah.

[55:32] Did I get it?

[55:33] Yeah.

[55:33] Yeah, I have to go to work with other people.

[55:38] Thank you so much.

[55:39] Thank you so much.

[55:39] This is great.

[55:40] Really, really good to know.

[55:43] I appreciate that.

[55:45] Thank you for your partnership.

[55:47] Have a good night.

[55:48] Thank you.

[55:49] Thank you.

[56:00] Do we want to talk about the past at all?

[56:02] I know we should have to go.

[56:03] Do we want to talk about it a little while before we move on?

[56:07] I don't have anything to add.

[56:10] Perfect.

[56:12] Does someone want to communicate with you about the trail?

[56:17] I, I am admittedly convicted.

[56:22] I'm happy to talk to you, though.

[56:24] I'm going to talk to you a few times.

[56:28] Okay.

[56:30] I mean, I think if you feel like it's necessary,

[56:32] I'm sure it was sort of lasting if we would.

[56:36] Alternatively, we can wait for him to talk to you,

[56:38] and you don't reach out for that to us.

[56:41] It doesn't matter to me.

[56:42] I know that we often make decisions that make it easier and cheaper for humans at the expense

[56:52] of some of our natural resources and we need to be really mindful about how to do that.

[56:59] Because we don't want to prohibit development and prohibit positive change for humans.

[57:07] So, I think it'll be important to get an in-depth understanding of where he was coming from,

[57:15] because he has been very firm that that path should never be developed.

[57:20] And I'd like to know why.

[57:23] Yeah, I'd like to know the actual impact on the critters because...

[57:26] Yeah.

[57:27] To me from the...

[57:28] It would be amazing.

[57:29] It would be a huge impact.

[57:31] Anything that gets people off route 100 to me,

[57:35] like, as a former paramedic, having dealt with the aftermath of that, anything that was a person

[57:41] off the road on 0.5, who's like, well worth attiming, and the road is scary.

[57:47] And just to remind us that the path that they're asking to build for it, to go 100, 100 would

[57:53] be separated by a 15 foot blocker, and 10 feet wide.

[58:02] But you have to go through this town, and go across through 100 down, and then go down, and

[58:08] and cross again. Yes, you do. So there's like, and more little does become a mini

[58:13] hundred. So we're gonna have the other solution of points. Not when the

[58:19] you come, go back in, or back back back.

[58:24] Okay, sorry, short term runs

[58:25] left date, we're a little bit deeper in schedule here. Carrie unfortunately can't join us.

[58:30] That's okay, but we have the numbers. Um, I won't have, would you get any of these?

[58:37] Yep. Nice job. And I have it. You are ready to share.

[58:41] Put some food. Oh, good job.

[58:43] We can do these. Hi zombies.

[58:47] Where are we?

[58:48] Sure.

[58:49] This one?

[58:51] Then I have multiple.

[58:55] That's your big.

[59:00] Oh, good job.

[59:03] Sorry, guys.

[59:04] So I should just let Joel do this.

[59:13] Can we get it?

[59:14] Yeah.

[59:15] Is that going?

[59:16] Yes.

[59:21] All right.

[59:21] So total approved applications, 155, identified SDR units, 4026, that's 81.5% of the estimated total

[59:38] number, coupon rate since 36%, 10 applications pending, this was as of the fourth.

[59:47] So what, I'm sorry, you might not know this, but where do you grant a kiss come up with 81.5?

[59:55] They do this, I don't really know.

[59:58] It's great scrubbing, scrubbing.

[1:00:00] So, all of the different platforms where people can rent, I thought I got before 26.

[1:00:06] No. They found 500 and some odd listings. And then they go through trying to actually identify them.

[1:00:19] like with a full number, an address,

[1:00:21] a physical location, because as you may know,

[1:00:24] with Airbnb, like there's a bubble, right?

[1:00:27] And so they've eliminated what they think

[1:00:29] are duplicates from Airbnb and VRBO,

[1:00:32] to get to this 500 somewhat number.

[1:00:34] But then, they need to drill down

[1:00:37] and genuinely find the people that are that STR.

[1:00:41] And that's how they have the 426.

[1:00:42] I think there's 10% more under our 80, 90.

[1:00:49] exactly

[1:00:52] okay and then thirty six thousand two hundred so we have not quite yet

[1:00:59] paid for rent is that right it was thirty seven kind of thirty two thirty

[1:01:07] all of the first round of letters compliance letters are sent on to me

[1:01:14] the second round of letters was recently approved.

[1:01:23] Have any of the 90 unidentified rentals become identifying through, I guess, volunteering to register?

[1:01:33] I think that's where the compliance number comes in.

[1:01:37] I don't think there's any volunteering.

[1:01:45] So then the second piece of this is the carry Rebecca and myself, that was a competitor of

[1:01:53] Granicus.

[1:01:56] I think I sent you all about information.

[1:02:00] So the Granicus, we're in our first year of the contract.

[1:02:04] I did 20 seconds.

[1:02:05] I did 20 seconds.

[1:02:06] But so we paid them for the first year and nothing happened.

[1:02:10] Correct.

[1:02:11] Which was partly our fault because we didn't have an ordinance filled.

[1:02:17] However, we thought they were going to be helping us with the ordinance.

[1:02:23] So contract ends at the end of the year?

[1:02:25] And...

[1:02:26] I wonder if you're a contract?

[1:02:28] Oh, there we are.

[1:02:33] The renewal is in November.

[1:02:36] November 1.

[1:02:37] We're gonna get this?

[1:02:39] So we've had an ordinance for a little less than a year.

[1:02:43] When do we pass an February, when do we pass a March period?

[1:02:48] But there was a date that was wrong, long, and then you had to push it out 30 days to...

[1:02:53] Oh, it's like, December 17th.

[1:02:55] It takes the date or something.

[1:02:56] They're coming up on the one-year anniversary.

[1:03:00] Right.

[1:03:00] So we paid granted this for the year prior to that while we were working on the ordinance.

[1:03:04] Right.

[1:03:05] And are you really should not have no?

[1:03:09] The reason I'm raised it is because, at least as it was described to me, it was a two-year project.

[1:03:17] The ordinance.

[1:03:18] Sunset in one more year.

[1:03:22] September of 2007.

[1:03:24] Yes.

[1:03:26] So that we will look at whether or not we want to continue it, change it.

[1:03:31] What have we gathered for the, what have we learned?

[1:03:35] So we shouldn't necessarily sign a contract that goes beyond September 17th, 2027 if the

[1:03:43] ordinance sunsets then without our further action, I wouldn't think.

[1:03:59] We have not completed the mission.

[1:04:05] We have not completed the mission and the process has been brought with challenges.

[1:04:10] Yeah. So we were approached by a competitor of grannicus to Lennie with an alternative

[1:04:20] platform, a very different approach.

[1:04:28] Certainly much easier to understand from our perspective.

[1:04:34] And similar to cost,

[1:04:40] sorry guys, I am still sharing.

[1:04:44] Not to rehash too much, so what is the information that we thought we were going to get that we still haven't cut?

[1:04:50] If we know that there's-

[1:04:50] For sure, to be getting to like 90% compliance.

[1:04:53] And when we get to 90% compliance, we will have a series of data from those units.

[1:05:00] How many bedrooms are they?

[1:05:01] What are they, what do they cost, what type of structure are they, like, I don't even know what I don't know, but all of those things.

[1:05:09] What more detail than just how many there are.

[1:05:11] Right, and so the idea being that, and Jim Johnson.

[1:05:17] This isn't shared.

[1:05:18] A time, this isn't shared.

[1:05:20] Yeah, do you share it through the camera?

[1:05:22] Do they stop sharing somehow?

[1:05:25] That's, maybe this is a question for you because it's more of a planning question, but once we find out,

[1:05:32] how many rooms there are for rent in the...

[1:05:35] So not that one though.

[1:05:36] Five hundred and...

[1:05:38] Well, I won sixty now.

[1:05:41] Well, so are they, this is them, if I can jump in.

[1:05:47] So, so does, what they've identified, those 400 or so strs, we know everything, we're going to know about them right now.

[1:05:54] Do that.

[1:05:55] Okay.

[1:05:55] We know how many bedrooms, we know all that information.

[1:05:59] we don't know about and then there's like the other 20% and that's a matter of taking

[1:06:08] the advertisement and figuring out how to tie it back into the grand list. I don't think

[1:06:14] granic has ever said that they were going to do that. They did say that their success rate

[1:06:18] would be better. In my view that's why we have a short-term administrators that we need someone

[1:06:27] go in manually and take that 20 percent and make it 100 percent.

[1:06:34] I think what I'm struggling with here is our, you know, compliance rate is really should,

[1:06:43] I think should be our focus, is that we've got to get those that we know about and we've

[1:06:48] got to get them registered.

[1:06:50] So we, if the final destination, the final goal, assuming there's 560 units, which is just

[1:07:01] 426 divided by 0.815, there's 560 units, we already know all the beds and all the bathrooms

[1:07:09] and all the parking in 426 of them, is the goal to know.

[1:07:14] I don't know if that's true but okay.

[1:07:16] Well it's what Jim just said.

[1:07:17] I don't know. Jim, where are you getting that equation?

[1:07:22] I just go to the host complaint site.

[1:07:26] Okay.

[1:07:27] And that information resides in that database.

[1:07:33] And so the end goal would be to have all that information for the 560, so that the planning commission could then make decisions about expansion, new growth of units or what's the kind of goal.

[1:07:49] I mean, I think it's interesting.

[1:07:52] The goal was kind of from the original white paper

[1:07:55] from the Madder Rebellion Plan District.

[1:07:58] Now it's to understand, okay, what's the impact

[1:08:00] of this business, this type of business

[1:08:03] on our housing?

[1:08:06] And so we wanted to try to be able to understand,

[1:08:10] okay, how many long-term rentals were converted?

[1:08:14] How does that affect price and market?

[1:08:19] That will, you can, you can kind of tease that out of this information, but it doesn't answer its straight up. It will be more subjective than it will be qualitative, or quantitative, so, um, and that, that work kind of remains to be done as the analysis of, okay, what's this impact on our housing and how would, how would we, if we, if we would do something different, what would we do?

[1:08:44] Right, I mean and how many let and other things like how many of these units are owned by

[1:08:51] the same

[1:08:52] Corporation and where it's shorter version. Right, right like are these independent people living here who

[1:08:59] rent out their house part-time or are people buying these

[1:09:04] converting them from long-term rentals or

[1:09:07] full-time homes into short-term rentals. There's a fair amount. So diamonds rigged on there is

[1:09:12] Right, so it's one of the biggest pieces of that that I think and the Jew has been having this conversation last

[1:09:31] for one who's analyzing this data and that question remains. Who's analyzing this data?

[1:09:37] I think we intended for the SDR administrator to start to be compiling this data, but the majority of their time has been spent just trying to build compliance.

[1:09:51] And we're so far from having compliance that we don't really have enough of specific owner data.

[1:09:58] And that's the thing, Jim, that we don't know about this for 126 units, right?

[1:10:03] We don't know if 12 of them are owned by NLC,

[1:10:06] based in Salt Lake City, Utah, right?

[1:10:09] But if your goal is to try and deduce,

[1:10:13] since you probably can't quantitatively do it anyway,

[1:10:16] to do see impact on housing, if it's at one bedroom and mountainside,

[1:10:22] that's very different than renting a four bedroom house

[1:10:25] that somebody could live in full time, right?

[1:10:27] So if we knew that of the 500, 400, 460 were one bedroom apartments, it's not really much of an impact on the housing.

[1:10:39] So that is the kind of thing that this company told me, they have two products.

[1:10:47] They have this compliance module called slate, and we get this one.

[1:10:50] or sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep.

[1:10:53] Which is basically what grandacus is running across.

[1:10:56] They identify these units, they send out letters,

[1:11:00] they build compliance, they provide the platform

[1:11:02] for people to register, they're a platform allows

[1:11:05] for a user to create an identity,

[1:11:07] to have their own account, to update modified change.

[1:11:11] It's really user friendly from the way they presented it.

[1:11:13] The second piece that they offer is what they call building blocks.

[1:11:17] And that building blocks is what allows for the data analysis.

[1:11:23] And you can tell it to do anything you want.

[1:11:26] And that he gets saying to us, you know, you don't ask us how to do a specific thing.

[1:11:32] Tell us what you want to know and we'll tell you how to get to knowing that.

[1:11:37] Right? So if what you want to know is what percentage of these are one veteran conscious, they can tell us that.

[1:11:42] what percentage of these are owned by LLCs.

[1:11:45] And then they have a way to, like, know that an LLC

[1:11:48] will sometimes own multiple properties,

[1:11:51] but under, like, subsidiary LLCs,

[1:11:53] and they all track back to the same one.

[1:11:55] So one of the things that we're wondering

[1:11:56] is, like, are people find these as investment properties

[1:11:59] and taking them out of the full-time residential market?

[1:12:03] So this data analysis piece is what we will continue

[1:12:09] to struggle with.

[1:12:10] However, we aren't even there because we cannot get compliance.

[1:12:16] And that's the point.

[1:12:16] Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm just struggling with,

[1:12:20] do we sign up for something that sounds really good?

[1:12:24] If it's on sets, and do we really want to continue it

[1:12:28] beyond September 17th, 2027?

[1:12:32] If, like, if we have the data for the majority of it,

[1:12:37] should we be spending our time trying to find the other 90,

[1:12:40] and then doing the analysis ourselves,

[1:12:42] do we want to sign a contract? Somebody. So here's what I hear my thoughts on that. I think

[1:12:49] we are not doing a good job of building compliance internally. Whether or not the S-ER administrator

[1:12:55] should or should not be able to do that, it isn't happening. So I don't think it's appropriate

[1:13:00] to rely on that position to do so. I think we may admit through both the ordinance and to the

[1:13:12] or what we can about our SDRs.

[1:13:15] This is something that the whole valley is wanting to know.

[1:13:18] Like what is this picture here?

[1:13:20] I think we owe it to our constituents

[1:13:21] to follow through on that project.

[1:13:23] If it's a matter of the ordinance, not matching off

[1:13:26] with a November one deadline,

[1:13:28] I would say, extend the ordinance to November one.

[1:13:31] If that's the date that we were new to contract.

[1:13:33] So to your point, we have a full year of data collection

[1:13:39] and analysis.

[1:13:41] where I don't know what we should do, so those are my thoughts. I think we should at least

[1:13:46] continue this for another year.

[1:13:48] I agree. That's just a question of, do we analyze the data ourselves or do we sign a contract

[1:13:54] with it on their firm?

[1:13:55] So here's where I want to help us answer that question. And I think Jim does too. Although we

[1:14:02] may have different approaches. So Jim wrote us an email arguing that this is information that

[1:14:08] available through NEMRAC and that the SDR administrator could be doing this work. Is that

[1:14:13] approximately correct, Jim?

[1:14:17] I'm kind of kind of kind of, but will you kind of...

[1:14:20] I believe the role of it SDR really needs to be expanded. I... and it needs to... that's...

[1:14:28] So I think it's paying more money for the SDR administrator to do those things, right?

[1:14:36] Or you look at a potentially a different product, and there are, for what we understand, maybe

[1:14:44] three, to let me record, which you mentioned, last time, and grandfaces.

[1:14:50] To let me, has made us a financial offer of the slate, which is building compliance in the

[1:14:56] registry and the building blocks.

[1:15:00] For the same amount as the Renewal for with grandkids, but it includes the data analysis. It also includes a wave to the $1,000 onboarding fee.

[1:15:13] And they can take all of the data from the grandkids, move it into their platform. People who already have an account will just have to change their password.

[1:15:23] Well, I mean, I guess

[1:15:27] you're building a lot of infrastructure with a telling me that I guess

[1:15:32] it's not clear to me we've decided we wouldn't want to keep.

[1:15:36] And then you're going to say that these 560 STR owners set up an account, pay us money, fill out

[1:15:46] all the paperwork,

[1:15:50] but it winds up in a year and there's no repercussions and necessarily

[1:15:57] of not doing it. So well, the repercussions, according to our conversations, should we need to

[1:16:04] do the work of can we just apply those violations to the tax bill? That would be the best

[1:16:10] right? That's how they see it done most effectively, which I think is what parents are just saying,

[1:16:15] right? Like something. Yeah, you have to tack it onto the tax bill, because the mean doesn't

[1:16:21] never get paid until the property sells, right?

[1:16:23] And then it could be a deterrent and it could bite you in the book.

[1:16:27] So I think you're right.

[1:16:30] There's this element of like this all requires this infrastructure

[1:16:34] of registration and oversight that we very well could say

[1:16:40] we aren't interested in this and we don't want to do the same

[1:16:42] more.

[1:16:43] What we see them using these platforms for our

[1:16:47] communities that are tourist industries or large cities.

[1:16:50] And then the platform is an opportunity for both the owners of the units to like check up on how things are doing.

[1:16:58] So let me with sort of telling us like they can see when

[1:17:03] what complaints were made, like say they own five SDRs.

[1:17:08] And someone called the state police and said there's like something crazy is going on at this property.

[1:17:13] and so itself.

[1:17:15] That gets registered into the tele-system, but doesn't necessarily get reported to the people

[1:17:20] who own the unit.

[1:17:22] So they can sort of track and follow their own properties through the system.

[1:17:27] But more importantly, from moving into municipalities, perspective, over time, you start to see,

[1:17:34] like, what is mine and selling?

[1:17:36] What is becoming STRs?

[1:17:37] What is it becoming STRs?

[1:17:39] Are they compliant?

[1:17:40] It becomes a revenue stream.

[1:17:42] and a way to hold people accountable for misbehavior.

[1:17:48] Did I get the wrong one?

[1:17:49] Yep.

[1:17:51] What's the misbehavior?

[1:17:53] Well, they're all kinds of misbehators that people are very concerned about.

[1:17:56] Yes, yes.

[1:17:58] Is that kind of misbehavior?

[1:18:00] Yes.

[1:18:00] You have complaints, garbage being left, light being left on, you name it.

[1:18:06] So this isn't just a planning commission data gathering exercise,

[1:18:13] there's...

[1:18:14] Well, the planning commission presented with Blackboard with a, hey, we would like to know what's happening in the world of STRs

[1:18:25] and they pushed for a certain level of regulation of STRs as well.

[1:18:30] The board at that time pushed back on the regulation piece, saying,

[1:18:36] why are we regulating a thing that we don't yet understand?

[1:18:40] Are we imposing regulations unnecessarily?

[1:18:44] Are we forecasting problems we don't have?

[1:18:48] That doesn't seem fair.

[1:18:49] We sold this as we want to know what's going on.

[1:18:52] So let's actually just know what's going on.

[1:18:55] And once we do, we can get a better picture of how many fire calls are there

[1:19:00] to this one STR, and what does that mean?

[1:19:03] Do they have their license revotes?

[1:19:05] How do we do with that, right?

[1:19:08] So to your point about the system,

[1:19:12] if we commit

[1:19:13] defining the information, are we also willing

[1:19:17] to commit to doing something about it?

[1:19:20] Well, I think that's the question

[1:19:21] if we're going to do it.

[1:19:24] It seems like either, either we sunset it

[1:19:26] or we commit to commit to it

[1:19:29] and committing to it is a real commitment, like it's going to be a lot of work.

[1:19:36] I think eventually it could be a lot of work. I think what we weren't really hoping for was a

[1:19:42] platform that did the majority of that work for us. I mean, making it to tax bills a compliance

[1:19:48] I. All of that are valuable with this system that we were just talking to people about this

[1:19:55] to let me. And I felt like I knew what questions to ask going into that meeting because we had

[1:20:02] so many conversations about how botched this is then. And to your point, I am not terribly

[1:20:13] interested in STRs. It doesn't seem like it's a select board question. I mean this is really,

[1:20:20] what point does it go back to the planning commission? Because it's really a planning commission question.

[1:20:25] I appreciate that the Plenty Commission brought to the select board for budgetary and the

[1:20:32] light, but at the end of the day it's not a select board question, this is a planning

[1:20:35] commission question if it's about impacts on housing, about planning around housing, if

[1:20:41] it's on, how is that a select board question?

[1:20:50] You're right, Harvey, it's not a select board item under those conditions.

[1:20:58] It is one as far as, okay, you've chosen to regulate it, you know, you've chosen to put

[1:21:04] regulations in there around fire and safety.

[1:21:07] You guys, you know, we don't own that, you own that, and you also own it from a revenue point

[1:21:12] of view.

[1:21:13] And whether or not you're going to leverage it as a possible, you know, form of form of additional revenue for the town.

[1:21:23] But around housing impact and planning around housing, that's, I think you're right.

[1:21:29] It falls back on the planning commission to say, okay, do we have the right data?

[1:21:35] And how are we going to analyze it?

[1:21:38] I see, but you're right from a...

[1:21:41] Regular to our point perspective. That's a select board question. There's also the piece that reminded me, Jim

[1:21:47] I don't know. I haven't thought of it. You know, there was a significant

[1:21:51] Way in from our bed and breakfast and in community saying, you know, like we we are regulated

[1:21:58] extensively and these

[1:22:00] Yes, yours are operating outside of all of those regulations and our businesses are failing and suffering

[1:22:08] Please

[1:22:08] You've got to let's find out what they're all doing here.

[1:22:11] And Ken, you please try and help us.

[1:22:14] Do they have to pay the hotel nine.

[1:22:17] They pay the meals and rooms, yeah.

[1:22:21] But that's it.

[1:22:22] 12 percent.

[1:22:23] 12 percent for air babies.

[1:22:25] So they pay more.

[1:22:27] Or yeah, I think now they do.

[1:22:29] So it's nine plus.

[1:22:30] Yeah, that's new, miss. Right. Right. From the start of year and a half. Yeah. And however, they aren't held to code compliance, right? So there's no fire safety code that's saying, you, your stairs have to be like accessible, you can, it's those wires, like any sprinklers, fire extinguishers. So I don't know that we need to answer this question right now, but what I was proposing in my email and I think what Jim and I have talked about,

[1:23:00] is to the point of this really is like a select board and a PC project.

[1:23:08] It would be great if someone else wanted to take up the mantle on this one and have a

[1:23:14] second meeting along with Jim and maybe another member from the planning to mention one

[1:23:19] or two of you and talk with this other company to let me and maybe you follow up instead

[1:23:26] me with graticists and and have the conversations that Jim I think would like to talk about

[1:23:33] as well with respect to doing it in an alternative form which is sort of more the lot, the

[1:23:38] route that we feel is taken where they're hiring someone to do this work internally through

[1:23:44] the systems that we already have. What the data collection or do this? The data collection

[1:23:52] and the compliance and analysis piece.

[1:23:56] Yes, Terry.

[1:24:00] We're to start.

[1:24:03] It seems to me, it seems to me that the data,

[1:24:08] with only 30% compliance is kind of the relevant.

[1:24:12] Maybe unless you're going to try to extrapolate from 30%

[1:24:17] like polling, okay, 30% is this, this and this,

[1:24:20] we can expect, you know, so really it's compliance to get more people to register.

[1:24:29] And then I think the kind of the question from the Airbnb owner side, I guess, those,

[1:24:38] again, those who have paid versus those who haven't, you know, that's kind of a sticky

[1:24:44] it there. And then our folks who kind of said I'm not doing that and you know not paying

[1:24:54] the 200 and I'm just going to run my show anyway, are they going to pay you know back

[1:25:00] finds and you know penalties and what have you or we're just going to kind of go well

[1:25:06] let's just start over. I think I think they should pay back for anything. I think the issue

[1:25:14] has been rolling out how we do that. The conversation with Selemi was around like look we're

[1:25:22] going to sit down with you during onboarding and we're going to build these letters and we're

[1:25:26] going to build these templates. Like we're going to give you a template, you're going to add

[1:25:29] them and you're going to give them to us and they live with us. And then each STR is dealt with independently.

[1:25:36] So the we see a red mercy on their email, they're going to like the time starts ticking and if they

[1:25:43] register in two weeks, we're going to send them the next letter and it's not about sending

[1:25:47] it to everybody at the same time. It's very much independent registries being handled and their

[1:25:52] system does this all automatically, which is very different from what brand this has been doing.

[1:25:58] Right. And then, part of it, because I hear a brand that is mentioned in the law,

[1:26:03] it seems like the level of enthusiasm for those focuses.

[1:26:07] But we have a follow-up meeting with them, what we don't see from their platform is the

[1:26:15] dead analysis piece.

[1:26:17] But forget about that because it's time for renewal, right?

[1:26:23] So maybe they're showing a little more attention.

[1:26:26] Yeah.

[1:26:27] They want to keep our business.

[1:26:28] Right.

[1:26:30] But is there a subtle chance in whatever that you would stay with them?

[1:26:33] on that is a board decision, if it were up to just me, how am I?

[1:26:38] Right, so that's kind of, kind of first things first, you know, is there any scenario that

[1:26:45] you would stay with granted?

[1:26:46] So the answer is no from everybody, then okay, I think it's hard no, cross the board.

[1:26:53] I'm just reading the room.

[1:26:56] So I'm not so much jumping here, you guys have to explain yourself as to why you think

[1:27:01] is not doing what they're supposed to do.

[1:27:04] Because if you go to their database,

[1:27:08] they've done everything they said they were going to do.

[1:27:12] I haven't been interfacing with them regularly, Jim,

[1:27:15] so I would need carried to sleep on that behalf.

[1:27:18] I think there was delays in letters,

[1:27:21] because this rolled out almost a year ago,

[1:27:24] and then I think there was a...

[1:27:27] But I don't think you can blame that on crannicus.

[1:27:29] So I just hope that everybody could think about what really is wrong here.

[1:27:35] I'm not an advocate of grandkids from by one means.

[1:27:40] But I think we need to look at it a little bit more closely to make sure that,

[1:27:45] you know, what have they failed? What have they failed to deliver?

[1:27:50] Well, Jim, I would love for you to participate in our follow-up call with them.

[1:27:55] Yeah, I would do that. I'd offer that all along.

[1:27:59] I haven't seen an invitation, but I would do that.

[1:28:03] I don't know how you said it eight.

[1:28:06] I think he just means a general.

[1:28:08] From past meetings, it sounded like I heard comments that you guys would come to ignore it.

[1:28:13] Yeah, if Harry said over and over again, they don't pick up the phone.

[1:28:15] They don't get back to our chase days and days and days for them to respond.

[1:28:19] Then they say they're going to send letters and they sent three and so it's three hundred and then all the things.

[1:28:25] So, if Jen is not familiar with all of that, that's just kind of important.

[1:28:30] Well, Perry, that's a different thing, right?

[1:28:34] That was taking another vendor to package called freeforms or whatever it's called,

[1:28:39] and integrating it into the granicous platform.

[1:28:42] And so, really, we're talking two different things here.

[1:28:46] And I don't know that we ever, I guess I'd have to go back and look at the contract.

[1:28:52] and it did it say that Brandicus would integrate free forms into their database and do this

[1:28:57] stuff for us. Or did we just not pay for the Brandicus piece of the package that did all this

[1:29:06] stuff with their forms? I'm not sure. I mean, I think these are questions Kerry needs to answer.

[1:29:12] You know, that's what we have in STR Administrator. I think Kerry needs to come back to the board

[1:29:17] and give us her perspective on this because this is what her job is. That's the whole point.

[1:29:24] Well, um, I think that's valuable. I, I, I don't want to spend too much more time on this

[1:29:30] because we're sort of running behind and I hear you Jim and I, I think you have some good points.

[1:29:37] So what I would really love to come out of this with is a commitment from one or two of our board members

[1:29:44] and some one or some to from the planning commission that can sort of take up the

[1:29:50] manual on this.

[1:29:51] Camilla was really running this and I had a quite a full plate prior to her leaving and

[1:29:57] I just don't have time to be scared of anything else.

[1:30:00] But I do think it's valuable. I think we need to rely on carried. We'll then need to be happy.

[1:30:07] I just want one more thing. And just for your consideration, we don't need to discuss it. But I think we should think about the compliance part of this, just like the delinquent tax collector.

[1:30:21] And can we ask our Delinquent Tax Collector to add, you know, Delinquent Registration STI Registration to their plate and, you know, compensate them accordingly and think about it that way.

[1:30:40] It is that the best way of doing it, the tax thing.

[1:30:45] Well, I think that

[1:30:49] just putting that out there that maybe there, maybe we can get help in another way.

[1:30:58] I think that as far as what would go on the textiles that would be relying on our treasure

[1:31:03] order to do, and I think that's from the conversation we had at least with Tlamini,

[1:31:08] that's easy to do, like they report the findings in their attached to properties and you add

[1:31:13] it to the textiles.

[1:31:14] To me, if we're setting up accounts by individual taxpayer, that's something that would be

[1:31:21] for the town to do period. So to the extent we have 3,500 taxpayers to the extent we can

[1:31:31] have each of them set up an account and 560 them have short-term rentals to have that be a

[1:31:37] sub-set of that account. I think that would be extremely valuable for the town so people can

[1:31:41] go online and look at what their taxes are and how they're calculated and what the variables are,

[1:31:46] what they were assessed at and what it was last assessed.

[1:31:50] Is this the thing that is this?

[1:31:52] Sure.

[1:31:53] It would be easy to create.

[1:31:55] So to the extent, we're asking people to have accounts with passwords and IDs and all

[1:32:01] our estimate, I would think that's something we should think about for the town and

[1:32:05] if STR is a tab on that account, that's great.

[1:32:11] And also that makes it very easy to add past two.

[1:32:16] Right.

[1:32:16] Yes, to our bills to there.

[1:32:18] So I think there's a little bit to what Jim is saying.

[1:32:22] And also what Shans comment was in the chat that, you know,

[1:32:26] power of people doing this does a system like that exist.

[1:32:31] And that's how other communities are solving it.

[1:32:34] We need to find out.

[1:32:37] And does the board have the power to do it?

[1:32:39] Or the desire.

[1:32:42] Well, does that, do you know that the board has the power to stick that out on the text?

[1:32:47] Oh, that's a little bit of a little bit.

[1:32:49] Yeah, yeah.

[1:32:52] But so I'm not hearing any interest from the three of you on following up with this.

[1:32:59] Honestly, I think I have the same understanding of this as my dog at a vet appointment.

[1:33:03] There's a lot of words, but I don't know what is happening there.

[1:33:07] I feel that way with this a lot too.

[1:33:13] No.

[1:33:15] No.

[1:33:16] No.

[1:33:18] I don't know how that means for us.

[1:33:22] We have to pay somebody to do it.

[1:33:23] That's what it means.

[1:33:26] Okay. Well, why don't we discuss that in the executive session here?

[1:33:31] And Jim, if you'd like to be part of that portion of executive session, we would welcome that.

[1:33:39] Can we move on from this year?

[1:33:44] Okay, I'm going to bump Shannon up with the time capsule because she has to put her child

[1:33:50] to bed before we talk about timehouse steps.

[1:33:53] That's okay.

[1:33:55] We put out a couple of seats.

[1:33:58] We look at, we're very busy with how to have a capsule.

[1:34:02] And everyone has taken a look, Shannon, would you like to say a few words?

[1:34:07] Why did I say what? Let's see here.

[1:34:14] Quick update and then we'll ask the capsule gets sealed on Thursday night and it goes

[1:34:19] in the ground on Saturday at 3 p.m., contributions came in all August, letters, arts, small

[1:34:25] objects, stuff I have no idea what it is. Kids and inklings roll all sorts of letters and

[1:34:32] other things. I'm going to kindergarten class tomorrow to do some postcards with those kids

[1:34:38] and on location. I know a few sites were marked, then I hope you guys got a chance to look at that.

[1:34:44] And I want to make a case for the ground, actually, for one of the Blair Barn.

[1:34:49] And the reason for that is that the Barn already holds its own town history and itself,

[1:34:53] and it's where we keep our own town history and putting the capsule there.

[1:34:58] adds one more layer, and it says something true that our paths and our future belongs in the same place,

[1:35:04] and it can kick careport by the same people. So, practically the marker would sit in the existing

[1:35:09] garden area, and it needs almost no maintenance at all, maybe someone brush off some things occasionally.

[1:35:15] It's close to the center of town where people pass every day, and that last part is what I care about most,

[1:35:21] because a town that buries a time capsule, is making a claim that someone will be standing there in 50 years

[1:35:26] open it but that's not a small thing to say a lab right now but a marker will be something that people

[1:35:32] walk past and it means that we keep saying that so whatever you choose, I'm grateful that this is all

[1:35:38] happening but I'd like a last one thank you. I love the Blair Bar and Location.

[1:35:45] I'll see you in a moment.

[1:35:47] I think we're all on agreement, that's the place to go.

[1:35:50] And I think Jim, we...

[1:35:56] Oh my god.

[1:35:57] I did it.

[1:35:58] You get that word, Jim.

[1:36:00] What we can have.

[1:36:01] We'll have John joined the meet on that.

[1:36:04] Oh, that's funny.

[1:36:06] Jim, we had chatted prior, too.

[1:36:08] Hi, Dad.

[1:36:09] Um, about Barry and you're the Blair Barron.

[1:36:12] I think you had expressed your support for that as well, right?

[1:36:16] Sure.

[1:36:16] or perhaps solid.

[1:36:19] OK, we'll do one final check of our wastewater system.

[1:36:22] That was a public safe.

[1:36:23] Make sure and, OK, called it safe.

[1:36:27] Oh yeah, I think she's no wire or something.

[1:36:29] Yeah, I mean, living in that clothes.

[1:36:31] Who knows, who knows?

[1:36:33] We need to public safe now.

[1:36:35] Maybe the meaning, maybe the meaning.

[1:36:38] Maybe the meaning.

[1:36:40] All right, cool.

[1:36:41] I think we're good on that, Jen.

[1:36:42] The only other piece of this is the digging,

[1:36:46] the actual act of date will, Rebecca, you had said Charlie would be willing to date if it were out there.

[1:36:55] Okay, we went and loved and couldn't find any sense of mark.

[1:36:58] It's up past the shed, it's up the road.

[1:37:02] Oh, like way off in the woods.

[1:37:04] Oh, we don't think so.

[1:37:05] So he's not willing to date, even though his equipment won't be here.

[1:37:09] If it's not, I can call him to our last him.

[1:37:12] But I think he just saved here since he was already up there.

[1:37:14] Yeah, I wonder if he would be willing to come down here.

[1:37:19] Yeah, the machines are ready to go down and have a back home.

[1:37:26] The town does have a back home, Jeremiah.

[1:37:31] They do, they do, I don't, it's really big. At least one, that's true, it's too big. I will knock up all the stuff.

[1:37:43] I did speak with Ed Reed. He said if he could find someone to do it, he would be willing to do it. I can follow up with him. Did you talk with Kate and Kate?

[1:37:53] He didn't really give me a full answer, so I will reach out to Charlie from our own CFP's willing to bring his equipment down here

[1:38:00] Okay, because it is significantly smaller than what the bio-dear is.

[1:38:06] I mean, how big a hole were we talking to?

[1:38:08] It's a little bare on the top, but I have a third of the outer barrel, let's see about this one.

[1:38:13] Oh, that's right.

[1:38:14] I have a tractor.

[1:38:15] That's what I said.

[1:38:15] If we can't find anything else, we'll bring a tractor down and put some shovels in the ground.

[1:38:20] We'll make it open.

[1:38:21] Did your tractor have a digging bucket?

[1:38:24] I don't like the front scoop, but like I've buried a good number of horses with it

[1:38:28] It's doable. It's not the prettiest for a tiny type of hole. Yeah, we can make it happen

[1:38:33] It smells it out, put grassy on it would be fine

[1:38:37] We're only gonna start is leaving it open like if we decide to dig it up like Friday night

[1:38:44] No, no, I think we're gonna dig it up it. It would be dig it up. We're all right

[1:38:48] All right, I'm very interested.

[1:38:50] Okay, because of all the other activities that I've raised her hand.

[1:38:54] I think she's not in a group, let's see.

[1:38:55] Oh, I thought you raised your hand.

[1:38:57] Oh, he's not in a group, but okay.

[1:38:59] She was saying no, we're not going to leave it open.

[1:39:01] You're generally expressive, okay?

[1:39:03] I don't know what to do with that.

[1:39:05] I'll put it down.

[1:39:08] Okay, so we will find someone today.

[1:39:10] And it would be great if all of us could be there on Saturday.

[1:39:14] It's 3.30.

[1:39:14] 3.30.

[1:39:15] Be there, be square.

[1:39:17] You know, it would be like a meadow.

[1:39:18] It's in the bylaws.

[1:39:19] Actually don't we're there

[1:39:22] Dual hasn't abs in the past I'll be bring my shovel all right, okay, Blair Barnard is we'll leave that safe

[1:39:32] Thank you

[1:39:33] Okay, goodnight guys. Good night

[1:39:36] Good night, I'm ready. Good night

[1:39:39] All right, come on steps

[1:39:45] one fun fun

[1:39:50] What do you guys think? Thanks Barry?

[1:39:58] Yeah, is there an option for wood?

[1:40:00] There is an option for wood.

[1:40:02] Okay.

[1:40:02] Did Alan get back to you at all?

[1:40:03] Alan, she did it.

[1:40:05] She did it.

[1:40:07] She did it.

[1:40:09] I agree.

[1:40:10] It would be better to play.

[1:40:10] So Alan, I reached out to Alan,

[1:40:14] Strauss and Jim Sanford.

[1:40:15] Alan has done most of the architectural work for the town.

[1:40:18] Jim actually designed the current set of stairs in the 90s we think.

[1:40:22] And I said, here's what we have, as options, and the products I cost, and I would like your input.

[1:40:33] She said they definitely talked about the steps, and they think they should be replaced and wood, or some sort of similar wood product.

[1:40:40] She'd be happy to get us a list of products that they think would work or last for a very long time.

[1:40:45] these stairs are currently they think 46 years old so I think they are fully advertised

[1:40:54] I don't know what that means yeah they should definitely stand with screws and now it's

[1:41:01] so the roster doesn't come true but she does not think that the stairs should be not.

[1:41:07] Wood yeah wood I either go wood or go all out with granite and just call it good for the next

[1:41:15] 200 years but if we're going to kick that count on the road would would be the because the other two

[1:41:21] we're just going to redo probably faster than wood right there last 26 years I think that's

[1:41:29] impressive. Yeah I've never seen a corner. Yeah yeah but I think we should get rid of the

[1:41:37] concrete underneath it right because so that's the question yeah so I think we're coalescing around

[1:41:42] like rebuilding them the way that they are, essentially?

[1:41:46] Yeah, exactly.

[1:41:46] Is that right?

[1:41:47] Like keeping the design.

[1:41:48] I like the design.

[1:41:49] Yeah, I would at least, you know,

[1:41:51] or used to looking at it that way.

[1:41:52] Yeah.

[1:41:53] And if user from user perspective, it's really nice.

[1:41:56] Yeah.

[1:41:56] So then there are some accommodations that we were talking about.

[1:41:59] Like it has the old concrete stairs under it.

[1:42:02] Should we remove those?

[1:42:04] What about the two lights into the basement that the stairs

[1:42:08] currently abut and causes this whole water damage issue?

[1:42:11] And it also makes the rise in the run on even on both sides and you can't even make them right because then you'll be in the plan of the window

[1:42:18] So there were a couple of ideas that we had sort of tossed around my suggestion was I think we should take those two windows out and

[1:42:27] Break up the foundation there and

[1:42:30] Remove the concrete steps and flatten out the grid so that you're starting from a

[1:42:36] flat platform rising run can be

[1:42:39] code, and be the same for a step on those sides. We don't have to worry about the interface

[1:42:46] with the windows, so the step can continue all the way to the building, because if you think

[1:42:50] about bringing it off, they have this awkward space and a whole second rally system that's

[1:42:55] much more expensive. You'll need a handrail on that side, but if it were spaced off the wall,

[1:43:00] you would need all of the divisions every four inches to be code.

[1:43:06] but then it still falls a little bit like, do you dig it all up and put drainage like

[1:43:11] cat was suggest me say a scope creep is a it would be a thing here

[1:43:16] what scope creep oh no what would it what's the dig it up and put drainage

[1:43:20] he was suggesting that we dig it up and add a French drain connected into the catch

[1:43:29] I think the whole thing out.

[1:43:31] The whole front side of the building, I think.

[1:43:34] I was going to say that sounds like 50 grand.

[1:43:37] That's a wonderful hall.

[1:43:38] You're going to go with clean stones.

[1:43:40] No, thank you.

[1:43:42] If we were doing granite, again, maybe is a forever investment,

[1:43:46] but this does not sound like a necessary item.

[1:43:50] I like taking up window.

[1:43:52] I haven't even set the stones.

[1:43:53] Yeah.

[1:43:54] Yeah, that sounds reasonable to me.

[1:43:57] Because they're thinking about water coming off of the steps and going into this stream.

[1:44:02] What is the range there?

[1:44:04] The basement is not flooding.

[1:44:06] Because of that.

[1:44:07] Not on that side.

[1:44:08] Right.

[1:44:09] The basement is flooding on the back side.

[1:44:11] Well, yeah.

[1:44:11] That's what it's called.

[1:44:12] It's supposed to go back there.

[1:44:14] It's supposed to go back there.

[1:44:17] Yeah.

[1:44:17] It would not.

[1:44:19] So it sounds like a good solid approach would be.

[1:44:23] Move the windows, break up the foundation.

[1:44:26] and take the concrete out and rebuild.

[1:44:30] What's that?

[1:44:30] Basically, what's there?

[1:44:32] Job.

[1:44:32] And then we'll have other questions with respect to materials.

[1:44:36] And I do think that painting it to match the white makes sense, but there will need to be

[1:44:41] some consideration of tread materials and what has longevity there.

[1:44:45] Why do we need it would or we stain it?

[1:44:48] And I think if we leave it to silver, there are lots of brought resistant woods that we could

[1:44:54] the issue of any kind of horizontal service in Vermont with a stain as well.

[1:45:00] We have to do every year. And we can do that.

[1:45:04] But I'm also going to have to do that.

[1:45:05] When you just take that?

[1:45:07] It's just doing every two years.

[1:45:08] Just have to do it every two years.

[1:45:10] So there will be some of the things we need to sort of hash out there.

[1:45:14] And this is all with the intent of putting out in the RFP and getting someone to do it this year,

[1:45:19] which means we should have done this to you.

[1:45:25] We're wanting the steps to look the same exact way that they are now.

[1:45:28] Sounds like it.

[1:45:30] Not a tack that's taken out the window. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, close. General stairs coming from both sides

[1:45:36] There's going to be a stock rate at the top so there's a great there. We can use it. It's brand new.

[1:45:43] I think the windows are going to be taken up. Does that mean that the stairs can go all the way to the building?

[1:45:53] I think that's amazing.

[1:45:55] And then we think the handrail is different than like makes a little bit easier.

[1:45:59] Yeah, the handrail is with match on both sides, but the outside we have that vertical,

[1:46:04] the one they have on the surface, and down the surface, I was grabbed too much.

[1:46:10] The post is at the end of the balster, it's at the end of the balster.

[1:46:12] I have a little one.

[1:46:13] That's it.

[1:46:13] So all the vertical balsters.

[1:46:18] Like it?

[1:46:20] Okay.

[1:46:20] It's a little narrow for you.

[1:46:21] It can can, can I do it?

[1:46:23] I mean, it doesn't work for you.

[1:46:25] or you do the RPK, you have the source.

[1:46:29] And we can control.

[1:46:31] Okay, I mean, if it doesn't.

[1:46:35] What just happened?

[1:46:37] Why?

[1:46:38] I mean, you need to use it.

[1:46:41] Consider it in an occasional connection with unstable.

[1:46:44] And then it just doesn't.

[1:46:45] Hmm.

[1:46:56] Let's be right back.

[1:46:57] Over here.

[1:46:59] Yeah, we're still on.

[1:47:09] Should I go back to this?

[1:47:11] Hope?

[1:47:12] Let me do.

[1:47:15] We'd let that convert and then hit star again.

[1:47:22] It's looking like it's not recording in progress.

[1:47:27] Sorry, team.

[1:47:28] Not sure what happened there.

[1:47:29] Oh wait.

[1:47:31] Sorry, y'all.

[1:47:33] We don't really know what happened there.

[1:47:37] Okay, so we're going to build an arctic.

[1:47:39] We're going to stick with wood products.

[1:47:41] And I'll coordinate with Alan and Jim,

[1:47:44] and maybe they can even give us a sketch for the arctic.

[1:47:47] Cool.

[1:47:49] Awesome.

[1:47:49] Thank you.

[1:47:55] remove concrete window windows come out there will be more questions because like right now

[1:48:03] the asphalt goes all the way up to the bottom set we were thinking we should cut it out

[1:48:09] and then maybe replace with papers are we prepared to just be able to if we can't get an RFP

[1:48:17] in time,

[1:48:21] are we going to be able to just sort of fortify what we have for the winter,

[1:48:26] and that will be acceptable?

[1:48:28] I don't know, just about time.

[1:48:29] It means just a little, I think.

[1:48:31] But according to Marie and Amanda, the steps on the other side are getting worse and worse.

[1:48:40] So I think we have to do this this year.

[1:48:42] I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just

[1:48:44] saying what they're saying.

[1:48:44] I have to try it.

[1:48:46] And especially whether someone will not be able to, like, what if it comes to, we could do

[1:48:51] it this year if we don't take out the old cement, but we couldn't, you know, accept.

[1:48:55] I don't know that that's, I mean, honestly, we could ask Andrew to come down and bust it up

[1:49:00] and take it away.

[1:49:01] Which, I, I would bear I much hope that they would, because it really will save us thousands

[1:49:07] and thousands of dollars.

[1:49:08] And be quick.

[1:49:09] And the cloud was actually too easy to do it like it were this whole we're moving the concrete is making it

[1:49:15] Not normal so I hope that they would be I know that they're short staff and this is a this is a this is a big of a problem

[1:49:23] I imagine again this is not allowed, but I do know how to operate all of that stuff. I know I don't know if we show me a key and make it go away

[1:49:32] Right

[1:49:34] Well, to that end, if it's time for the paper and my excavator down.

[1:49:38] Yeah, I'll just take my household health.

[1:49:41] That's stuff. I got stuff. I got a jackhammer.

[1:49:44] I got a big air compressor.

[1:49:47] All right.

[1:49:48] So we'll keep you and we'll run on a draft of our feedback every day.

[1:49:58] I think we're good on the rest of the things.

[1:50:00] I don't have the, the town garage update is that the steel frame is going up and we were there, that's me.

[1:50:07] Just pictures on the website.

[1:50:08] There are lots of pictures on the website.

[1:50:10] Should check it out.

[1:50:12] This was still been posting them. They're great.

[1:50:15] Sorry.

[1:50:16] This was done.

[1:50:18] It's not done.

[1:50:18] Stable.

[1:50:19] Stable.

[1:50:20] Stable.

[1:50:21] Stable.

[1:50:21] You know, they, when we were, and during I had an interview with a potential candidate this morning and they dropped their equipment off the pavement was too wet from the rain overnight, so they've been paid today, so their plans to be back tomorrow if it doesn't rain.

[1:50:39] Good.

[1:50:40] Therefore, it looks nice.

[1:50:42] Rocks frame out and looks nice.

[1:50:44] Parking a lot up to these one.

[1:50:46] Can you mark it?

[1:50:46] Looks nice.

[1:50:47] Oh, I got to go pipe it.

[1:50:48] Yeah, go check it out.

[1:50:49] OK.

[1:50:49] Try mine's ground.

[1:50:50] You know, I have a driven into it,

[1:50:52] but I can't even buy it.

[1:50:53] It's really nice.

[1:50:53] Are we going to strike it?

[1:50:56] Probably not the share, but.

[1:50:58] Sorry.

[1:50:58] I don't want to pull in teeth.

[1:51:00] Let's get L&D.

[1:51:00] I did sign a contact with them on Friday.

[1:51:04] Do we want to be signatures before exactly the session?

[1:51:07] Yes, please.

[1:51:10] All right.

[1:51:11] All right.

[1:51:16] moved to proof, accounts payable for 100 and 2,402,500 and 8,400 and 2,500 and 8,400.

[1:51:27] That can.

[1:51:29] Follow the paper.

[1:51:30] Hi, man.

[1:51:32] We moved to a proof payroll on the amount of 35,645 dollars and 70 cents.

[1:51:40] That means, all right.

[1:51:41] All those in paper.

[1:51:44] And

[1:51:51] we have minutes from August 25.

[1:51:57] Joel, you were not here, so no voting for you.

[1:52:00] Do I have a motion to approve?

[1:52:04] So I can.

[1:52:05] All those in favor.

[1:52:10] Rebecca saw that they're buying a bunch of stone in the payables.

[1:52:15] I'm going to start to stock up a winter now for the new stuff, it's over there because you weren't going home.

[1:52:24] Oh, there's still plenty of oil in the back of it.

[1:52:25] Well, a lot of it on the back of the day is going to lower those pressure source in the driveway.

[1:52:30] I'm got pavement, and they have to fill in on the transition. Recording in progress.

[1:52:39] I'm just calling on. I don't think I can.

[1:52:41] Yeah, I have the mind of it, but thankfully, John is here.

[1:52:45] Okay, and that means, for me?

[1:52:48] Yeah, those are capital for the big, big civilisation project.

[1:52:51] Okay, do we have a motion to enter exactly the session?

[1:52:54] A little bit of motion.

[1:52:55] And then second day, all the good right, Jim, I'm going to call you, recording stopped.

Warren Selectboard 9-8-26

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