[0:00] Well,

[0:03] so I'll go ahead and welcome everyone

[0:05] then to our third active ant

[0:08] transportation uh committee. Uh my

[0:10] name's Joy Pro. I'm the mayor of

[0:12] Leighton and um I know that as customary

[0:16] we like to go around the room and make

[0:18] sure we acknowledge everyone. So let's

[0:21] go ahead and do that. We'll start with

[0:22] those in the room. So, um,

[0:26] ah, I can just go by the view and I'm

[0:29] not sure who it is there in the beard.

[0:32] Why don't we start at that end? Yes,

[0:33] let's start there and go around the

[0:34] room.

[0:35] >> Sure. Um, I'm Ken Pippen. I'm with

[0:38] Trails Foundation in Northern Utah.

[0:41] >> Okay. Thank you.

[0:42] >> John Nichols with Pric.

[0:44] >> I'm David Rogers with Mary C.

[0:46] >> Rosie Hernandez. I'm part of the admin

[0:48] team at WFRC.

[0:51] >> Huan Lagman with WFRC.

[0:55] Miranda Jones Cox with Los Regional.

[0:58] >> Jordan, WFRD, long-range planning. Okay.

[1:01] >> Paul, director of planning and

[1:03] transportation for Salt Lake County.

[1:06] >> Kirby with Avenue Consultants for a

[1:08] couple more days and then place

[1:09] builders.

[1:12] >> Cameron Ariano, operations director with

[1:14] Green Bike.

[1:16] >> Sheldon Burch with the two other Council

[1:18] Governments.

[1:19] >> Karen Robertson with Utah Trans

[1:20] Authority. having quite city.

[1:24] [clears throat]

[1:24] >> Perfect. So that's everybody in the

[1:26] room, right?

[1:28] >> Have one more join us.

[1:29] >> Yeah.

[1:31] >> Eric with division.

[1:34] >> Very good. Okay. [clears throat] Well,

[1:36] if that's everyone in the room, then

[1:38] let's just go ahead and do uh online. Um

[1:41] like I said, I've already introduced

[1:42] myself. So, uh, Hugh, do you want to,

[1:46] uh, use your,

[1:48] uh, monitor there to call everyone out?

[1:51] >> Yeah, absolutely. So, I'll, um, call out

[1:54] some folks and then just introduce

[1:56] yourselves. Let's start with Dave Graph

[1:59] and then Brett McKiff and then Ivan

[2:01] Hooper.

[2:02] >> I'm Dave Graph, Agen City Council.

[2:05] [snorts]

[2:06] >> I'm Brent Matiff, Utah Department of

[2:08] Health and Human Services.

[2:10] Ivan Hooper, Sandy City transportation

[2:13] engineer.

[2:15] >> Thank you. And then we'll go Vendelene

[2:17] Cameron Carter and Mayor M.

[2:21] >> Hi, I am Vendelene Kopl and I'm with

[2:24] Midwell City in the planning department.

[2:29] » Hi, I'm Cameron Carter. I am a planner

[2:31] with Bike Utah.

[2:37] » Is that all of them?

[2:39] Nope. We're gonna go another second

[2:41] here. Um, Mayor Marl, if you're online,

[2:43] welcome. Oh.

[2:48] » Oh, thank you.

[2:50] Thanks for being here with Alpine City.

[2:53] No, um, Anamaki,

[2:57] Mayor Man, and then Scott Shay.

[3:01] Morning Macki with Park City Municipal.

[3:11] and Mayor Dave of Syracuse is with us.

[3:13] Scott?

[3:15] >> Yeah, Scott with ACOM.

[3:19] [clears throat]

[3:20] >> Okay.

[3:20] >> Um, let's do

[3:23] Becca Rolf, Thomas Wen, and Council

[3:27] Member Harris.

[3:30] >> Becca Rolf, Salt Lake City

[3:31] Transportation.

[3:34] Hi, Thomas Wen. I'm with the Dixie MP.

[3:37] I'm just here to sit in and listen.

[3:40] >> Hi, there's Suzanne Harrison, Salt Lake

[3:43] County Councilwoman.

[3:45] >> Thank you, Council

[3:47] >> and Dee if you're with us.

[3:50] >> Hi, good morning. This is Dee Murray

[3:52] with the Utah Transit Authority.

[3:55] >> Great. And then Sarah and Julie.

[4:01] >> Yeah. Sarah Lawless, WRC staff.

[4:05] saving the best for last. Julie

[4:07] Bjornstead with WRC staff.

[4:10] >> Anybody else that wants to go? So,

[4:11] Julie's not last. [laughter]

[4:14] >> Okay. I think that that is everybody,

[4:16] mayor. Thank you very much.

[4:18] [clears throat]

[4:18] >> Okay. Well, sounds like we got a good

[4:20] group today for our meeting and um you

[4:22] know, I'd like to just go ahead and jump

[4:24] into it. Typically, what we do is we

[4:26] take care of our minutes first. So, we

[4:28] do have a set of minutes uh from the

[4:31] April 14th, 2026 meeting that is one of

[4:35] our action items. So, if anyone would if

[4:38] there's no corrections to it, then if

[4:39] anyone would like to make a motion, I'll

[4:41] entertain that.

[4:48] » So moved.

[4:49] >> Thank you.

[4:50] >> I'll second.

[4:52] >> Okay. Thank you everyone. Um so those

[4:54] voting members, all in favor say I. I

[4:59] >> Okay. Any oppose?

[5:01] Okay. Thank you very much. Our uh

[5:03] minutes passed. Then we'll now go down

[5:05] to um the chair's report, which um I'm

[5:09] filling in um today, but uh you know, as

[5:14] many of you know, last month, May, was

[5:16] bike month, Golden Spoke Bike Month. And

[5:19] actually, it was the 9th annual Golden

[5:22] Spoke bike ride that occurred on

[5:24] Saturday, May 16th. And there was a it

[5:27] was a huge success. This bike ride has

[5:30] actually grown year after year and uh we

[5:32] had hundreds of people participating in

[5:34] this. So anyway, just to kind of give it

[5:37] a a little bit more acknowledgement, you

[5:39] can see the photos that they're showing

[5:41] here. Um the ride celebrated the 100th

[5:46] plus mile of the multi-use trail system

[5:50] stretching from Ogden to Provo. And uh

[5:53] we showcased it. Basically, it's a good

[5:56] way to showcase the work of the multiple

[5:58] agencies and cities and the counties

[6:00] that uh created a good, safe, and fun

[6:04] trail that improves the quality of life

[6:08] for all of us along the Wasach front

[6:09] here. So, all of those that took place,

[6:11] we really want to say thank you. As a

[6:14] special thank you though uh Jordan River

[6:17] uh commission they were the ones who led

[6:20] the organization of this event and also

[6:23] the nature center and at the and excuse

[6:28] me if I announce this wrong it's pay owl

[6:32] owie for uh hosting the uh uh the end of

[6:37] the ride. Uh that's a big event where

[6:40] everybody gets together uh along with a

[6:42] few other partners that we also want to

[6:44] acknowledge and volunteers which we

[6:46] really appreciate that because that's

[6:48] what made this possible. So um a special

[6:51] thanks to uh UTA who provided the um the

[6:56] transit passes for all those folks that

[6:59] wanted to participate and uh ride the

[7:01] trains because that helped a lot. And at

[7:05] this time, if anybody would like to um

[7:08] express their views or was participated

[7:11] in the bike month, we'd uh welcome any

[7:13] of your your views as well and and tell

[7:16] us about your experience.

[7:22] So, anybody in the room there or online,

[7:25] did you have any type of uh bike

[7:29] awareness month since this was bike

[7:31] awareness month? Did you do anything

[7:32] special in your cities?

[7:36] Mayor, if I may, um, sorry, I end up

[7:38] talking a lot in this meeting, but where

[7:41] I live in Provo, they do a bike to

[7:43] anywhere day as opposed to a bike to

[7:45] work day. And there are several

[7:47] breakfast stations. And I mean several,

[7:49] I mean there's probably 15 to 20

[7:51] breakfast stations set up throughout the

[7:52] city. So, no matter where you are in the

[7:55] city, you can swing by, grab a bite, um,

[7:57] of breakfast on your way to your

[7:59] destination in the morning. And um we

[8:03] take our kids, you know, and they drop

[8:04] them off at school and there's lots of

[8:06] people out in the community and it's a

[8:08] great way to just interact with folks.

[8:09] The city center hosts they have their

[8:12] fire and EMS departments out um making

[8:15] pancakes and cooking bacon at the city

[8:17] center and that's that's a really fun

[8:19] stop as well. So I always appreciate uh

[8:22] my hometown doing that every bike month.

[8:25] >> That's a great idea. That's a good one

[8:27] for the rest of us to capitalize on.

[8:29] Anyone else had any experiences or want

[8:32] to share with us?

[8:36] » Um, uh, this is Dee Murray with UTA. I

[8:38] do want to share that at, uh, the Utah

[8:41] Transit Authority, our green team, um,

[8:44] toured the Salt Lake City Bicycle

[8:46] Collective

[8:48] >> as part of bike month. We also on the

[8:50] same day did a bike to work day. Um, but

[8:53] it was a really fantastic opportunity

[8:55] for folks to see the new facility and

[8:58] learn more about the programs that are

[8:59] offered at the bike collective. So, it

[9:02] was a really great way to connect with

[9:04] the folks that work there and learn more

[9:06] about their programs.

[9:09] That's a good one.

[9:12] Okay.

[9:14] Anyone else wish to share?

[9:18] I can tell you one thing that uh I

[9:21] started in May. We didn't quite get it

[9:24] pulled off, but we're going to follow up

[9:26] with it, and that's with our our

[9:28] landfill here in Leighton, which

[9:30] actually it services several different

[9:32] cities. Um, but anyway, we uh we have a

[9:37] secondhand shop up there, and so what we

[9:39] want to do is encourage biking. So,

[9:43] we're having um a lot of folks bring

[9:45] their bikes that they would normally

[9:47] just take out into the landfill and

[9:49] we're going to repurpose them and have a

[9:50] bike repair uh day where we're going to

[9:53] do that. And then in addition to it for

[9:56] Leighton here, what we've done is we've

[9:58] um starting our parade with a kids

[10:01] bikes. So, all of the kids who want to

[10:04] be in the parade get to decorate their

[10:05] bikes and they're going to lead out our

[10:07] parade this year. So those are even

[10:10] though it didn't happen in May, but we

[10:12] planned these two events to kind of

[10:13] coincide with it. So anyway, I guess the key here is that, you know, even

[10:18] though the awareness is the month of

[10:21] May, but certainly we're all about

[10:24] active transportation and encouraging,

[10:26] you know, a good quality of life and

[10:27] that we need to be doing that year

[10:28] round. So anyway,

[10:31] um if there's no other comments, then

[10:32] we'll go ahead and go to um our public

[10:36] um comment portion of this meeting. So

[10:38] this is where anyone in the public who

[10:40] wishes to address us, you're more than

[10:42] welcome to. We ask that you kind of um

[10:45] you know, be cognizant of your time and

[10:48] um but please state your name for the

[10:50] record and go ahead and uh let us know

[10:52] what your what your thoughts are or what

[10:54] your concerns are.

[10:59] Mayor, I don't see anybody in the room.

[11:02] >> Okay.

[11:06] » We had one person online, right?

[11:10] [clears throat]

[11:11] >> Okay. Well, if there's no public

[11:14] comments, then let's go ahead and go on

[11:16] to item number four, which is the Utah

[11:19] Trails Network funding update. Um on

[11:24] this

[11:26] um I think Eric uh Bule from the UD do

[11:30] uh trails division will provide an

[11:33] update on the active transportation and

[11:35] investment funds that provides money for

[11:38] the Utah trail network. So Eric, we'll

[11:41] go ahead and turn the time over to you.

[11:43] >> All right, perfect. Thank you so much

[11:45] again. I'm Eric. I'm the trails division

[11:47] program manager with Utah. Uh today

[11:49] we're presenting um some program and

[11:52] funding updates uh in regards to the

[11:54] ETN. So thank you again for allowing us

[11:56] to come to present this. It's been I

[11:58] think a little bit since we've spoken

[11:59] specifically about funding. So it's

[12:01] we're grateful for the opportunity. U

[12:03] please feel free to interrupt me anytime

[12:05] if you have a question. I'm also

[12:06] available to answer at the end as well.

[12:09] So today I plan on talking about uh

[12:11] several different things uh specifically

[12:12] related to the funding of our program.

[12:14] Starting with funding sources with that

[12:17] A to fund uh funding eligibility,

[12:20] current and recommended projects, as

[12:22] well as future programming cycles.

[12:25] So, just to start, I think all of us are

[12:27] pretty much aware of what the Utah Trail

[12:29] Network is, but just in case there are a

[12:31] few here that don't, uh the Utah Trail

[12:33] Network or UTN is a relatively new uh

[12:36] program within UD do. And really what

[12:38] we're aiming to do is to build and

[12:39] operate a network of pave trails

[12:41] throughout the state that connect Utons

[12:43] of all ages and abilities to their

[12:44] destinations and communities. Uh what

[12:47] we're going for here is really focusing

[12:48] on uh comfort um [clears throat] high

[12:51] comfort level trails and reliable trails

[12:54] that are off the roadway separated um

[12:56] for um uh increased usership in that

[13:00] space. Um when built out, we're hoping

[13:02] that this network will represent

[13:04] [clears throat] a regional trail spine

[13:06] or backbone throughout the state for

[13:07] active transportation. So really kind of

[13:10] the main corridor that local uh trails

[13:13] can connect into to maximize that

[13:15] connectivity throughout the state.

[13:17] So moving on to funding sources, um ATIF

[13:21] or the active transportation investment

[13:23] fund is pretty much the sole funding

[13:25] source of this program. Um this uh fund

[13:28] was initiated in 2023 as part of SB185.

[13:33] Uh these funds are generated actually in

[13:35] the same way that the normal tiff funds

[13:36] are generated which is mostly sales tax.

[13:39] Um however there are some vehicle

[13:41] registration fees and license plate fees

[13:43] that are also um part of this fund. Um

[13:46] but basically uh in that bill SB85 when

[13:50] it established the AT fund um we

[13:53] received $45 million of one-time funding

[13:56] as part of fiscal year 2024 and then $45

[13:59] million of ongoing annual funding

[14:01] beginning in fiscal year 24 and then

[14:04] every year that will come back into our

[14:06] fund um in future years. Um, these ATIF

[14:10] funds, like I said, they're generated

[14:12] just like normal TIFF funds are. And if

[14:14] you're a big fan of reading Utah State

[14:15] code, um, I have the the code number

[14:19] there that really kind of breaks down

[14:20] how these funds are generated and

[14:22] deposited into our fund, and that's

[14:24] state code 59-12-103.

[14:27] Uh, the great thing about these funds is

[14:29] that they are all state funds. There's

[14:30] no federal funds that are inherently

[14:33] part of our program. um we are able to

[14:35] apply for grants, federal grants using

[14:38] our funds as a match, but um we are

[14:41] pretty much a fully state funded

[14:43] program. Um also the benefit of our

[14:45] funds is that there's there's no local

[14:47] match required. So um we don't have to,

[14:51] you know, rely on those match

[14:52] requirements when choosing projects. We

[14:54] can really prioritize and fund these. Um

[14:56] and then the locals can, you know,

[14:59] basically participate in the project

[15:00] without providing a match. Eric, I ask a

[15:03] quick question on that last one. Sure.

[15:05] You said that contributions are

[15:08] accepted.

[15:09] Does um if if a community is willing to

[15:12] bring a contribution that's not

[15:14] required, does that influence the

[15:16] projects that get [clears throat]

[15:17] picked?

[15:18] >> Not. It's that is technically not part

[15:21] of our prioritization process or

[15:23] selection criteria. Um, usually we put

[15:25] that in there because sometimes local

[15:28] agencies want to provide betterments in

[15:29] the project or they want to add

[15:31] different things to a project that we

[15:33] aren't generally able to provide. So

[15:35] they can come with those contributions

[15:36] and added to projects to do those

[15:39] things. So

[15:40] >> thank you.

[15:40] >> Yeah, last question related to that.

[15:42] >> Yeah.

[15:43] >> Is that

[15:46] where where you at on right away? Is

[15:48] that something the city needs to bring

[15:50] to the table?

[15:50] >> Um, regional. Yeah, we so all of our

[15:54] projects are delivered by EDOT. So we

[15:56] just follow the normal right away

[15:57] processes within the department for all

[16:00] of our projects. It definitely does help

[16:02] if right away is cleared ahead of time

[16:04] by the local agency. But if it's not, we

[16:07] can work with the local agencies and

[16:08] property owners to secure right away for

[16:10] our projects. We still don't have uh the

[16:13] authority to use condemnation around the

[16:15] domain as part of our program. Um, so we

[16:17] have to work with willing sellers or

[16:19] corridors that um have open right away

[16:22] cleared already for a trail, but um

[16:26] yeah, so just follow the normal process.

[16:29] >> Thanks. Okay. Yeah. Um, moving on to

[16:32] funding eligibility. So this changed um

[16:35] just slightly during this year's

[16:36] legislative session as part of SB 242.

[16:39] Um, I think we brought this up in one of

[16:41] these previous meetings, but the Utah

[16:43] Trail Network as a definition was

[16:45] officially added to state code this

[16:46] year. Um, it really defined what our

[16:48] master plan is trying to achieve and the

[16:50] master plan map that we generated um

[16:52] last fall. Um, and with this new

[16:55] definition definition, it changed uh

[16:58] kind of how these funds can be used like

[17:00] I said just slightly, but I've

[17:01] summarized it here in these four bullet

[17:03] points. Um so these funds can be used

[17:05] for the planning, design, construction,

[17:07] maintenance, reconstruction or

[17:09] renovation of UTM projects. Uh the

[17:11] development of the plan for the UTM, the

[17:13] preservation of future UTM corridors and

[17:16] administration of the fund which is the

[17:18] transition.

[17:20] Um the biggest thing here is that

[17:22] because we have the UTN as a definition

[17:24] now in the state code, these funds

[17:26] really just apply to this program. So it

[17:28] kind of shelters these funds in a way

[17:30] just for these standalone trail

[17:32] projects.

[17:35] Okay, so moving on to current and

[17:36] recommended projects. Um, we've kind of

[17:38] broken this slide into two sections. You

[17:40] can see on the left there are projects

[17:42] that we've programmed in calendar years

[17:44] 24 and 25. So these are previously and

[17:47] already approved projects that are

[17:49] ongoing right now. And on the right side

[17:52] um we have the uh project information or

[17:55] what we recommended recently to the Utah

[17:57] Transportation Commission last month

[17:59] during the uh programming workshop. So

[18:02] starting on the left, um in calendar

[18:03] years 24 and 25, we programmed 21

[18:06] different projects throughout the state.

[18:08] 15 of those were construction projects

[18:10] and six were feasibility studies. Um the

[18:13] project total of all of this was about

[18:14] $111 million which included about $10

[18:17] million of local government

[18:18] contributions to these projects. Um and

[18:21] that was about 63 miles of total

[18:24] combined you know standalone and trail

[18:26] projects from those years. Um, looking

[18:30] at this current year, as I said last

[18:31] month, we recommended these projects to

[18:33] the transportation commission. Um,

[18:35] they're meeting later this month, I

[18:37] think on the 26 to to vote to approve

[18:39] these projects. Um, but we recommended

[18:42] 25 total projects this year, 13 of those

[18:45] being construction projects and 12 of

[18:47] them being feasibility studies. Uh, the

[18:50] total value of these projects just under

[18:52] $125 million. Um, and just just above a

[18:55] hundred miles worth of trail projects.

[18:59] Eric, we have a question online from Becca regarding ATIF funds. And the

[19:05] question is, are they solely for the UTN

[19:08] or are they still also are they still

[19:10] available for nonUTN projects? Yeah, the

[19:14] way the legislation came out, you can

[19:16] see with the UTM being a definition was

[19:19] that these funds really can only be used

[19:22] for projects on the Utah trail network

[19:25] as prioritized and selected within our

[19:27] program.

[19:28] >> However, AIF, so active transportation

[19:32] investment fund.

[19:33] >> Yeah.

[19:33] >> There is also a TIFF active pot of money

[19:37] perhaps, not to be not to confuse the

[19:39] two.

[19:40] >> Yeah, exactly. glber name these is you

[19:43] know yeah needed 10 more minutes in the

[19:46] oven [laughter]

[19:48] active [clears throat]

[19:50] what's the

[19:51] >> yeah tip active is a separate active

[19:53] transportation program that you got that

[19:55] still comes from those main tip funds

[19:58] but there was legislation done several

[20:00] years back to where those tip highway

[20:02] funds could be used for active

[20:03] transportation projects um this program

[20:06] is is very fluid much more fluid than

[20:08] the UTN those funds there's not really a

[20:11] set amount per year or programmed in the

[20:13] tip active program. It's really kind of

[20:15] whatever is left over after the highway

[20:18] program funds are distributed. Um

[20:21] sometimes it's been as high as $20

[20:23] million a year, sometimes you know $7

[20:26] million a year. So it really just kind

[20:27] of depends. Um but yeah, so those that

[20:30] that's a kind of an application based

[20:32] program with our planning division has

[20:35] 60 match 40% on the local government

[20:38] side.

[20:39] >> Yep. Becca is saying yes that was

[20:41] confusing and that's very helpful. Thank

[20:43] you.

[20:43] >> Yes. Perfect. Okay. [snorts] So, uh, one

[20:48] note that I'll add here is one of our

[20:49] feasibility studies for the 20 24 and 25

[20:52] years was the raise grant that we

[20:55] applied for a couple years ago in

[20:56] southeastern Yeah, southeastern Utah.

[20:59] Um, it's about 150 mile feasibility

[21:01] study down there, a $12 million project.

[21:03] So, we didn't want to inflate our ego

[21:05] too much by adding those donors to this,

[21:07] but that's that's an ongoing project as

[21:09] well. So, all said and done, uh, pending

[21:12] commission approval, of course, later

[21:14] this month, uh, we'll have a total of 46

[21:16] projects out of our program to date, uh,

[21:19] with just over a quarter billion dollars

[21:21] worth of, uh, projects for standalone

[21:24] trail projects and just over 160 miles

[21:26] of trails um, in terms of construction

[21:29] and studies. So

[21:32] um and then moving on to our next steps

[21:34] and really future programming cycles. So

[21:36] as I mentioned earlier, the UTN is a

[21:38] pretty relatively new program within UD

[21:40] do uh and because of that we're still

[21:43] trying to play catch-up a little bit to

[21:44] those more established programs that you

[21:46] see within the department like pavements

[21:47] and structures. And so with that, we're

[21:50] trying to use kind of an accelerated

[21:52] funding schedule to get caught up to

[21:54] those program out years so we can match

[21:56] and be consistent with those other

[21:58] mature programs. So you can see where

[22:00] the check mark is. During this year's

[22:02] 2026 programming workshop, uh we

[22:04] recommended projects using funding from

[22:06] fiscal years 26 to 28. The first time we

[22:09] programmed, we used fiscal years 24

[22:11] through 25. Um again, that's just under

[22:14] $125 million in recommendation. Next

[22:17] year, we'll only be using two years

[22:19] worth of our funding this years 29 and

[22:22] 30. You'll see about 78 millionish

[22:24] dollars of recommended projects next

[22:27] year. And then after that we will have

[22:30] been we will have caught up to those

[22:32] other programs and we'll start just

[22:34] programming one fiscal year out at a

[22:36] time during the workshop which is the

[22:38] current fiscal year plus three. So in

[22:40] 2028 we'll use fiscal year's uh 31

[22:44] funding which will be about $38 million

[22:46] and that'll be kind of ongoing year

[22:48] after year from this forward. So

[22:52] uh with that that's that's really kind

[22:53] of the overall high level update for

[22:56] funding. Any questions that I can answer

[22:58] at this time?

[23:02] » Yeah, sure. I got a couple for for

[23:04] consultants who are helping cities,

[23:05] counties complete studies for trails

[23:08] that to help them be competitive for the

[23:10] ETN. What things are have you been

[23:14] looking for and this year you've

[23:16] evaluated to say, "Oh, yeah, this is a

[23:18] trail. This is a good candidate."

[23:20] >> How can we lay out the study in a way

[23:22] that helps that process outwards? Yeah,

[23:26] I think um having a study completed is

[23:29] definitely helpful for prioritization of

[23:31] the program. We're actually changing our

[23:34] prioritization method just a little bit

[23:35] where we're in future years looking at

[23:37] the phase one projects on the unified

[23:39] plan as kind of a starting point. Um

[23:42] those projects uh phase need by the

[23:44] communities are our highest level in

[23:47] terms of what we're looking at and then

[23:49] we'll run those through our

[23:50] prioritization model that we have with

[23:51] department. But yeah, in terms of

[23:53] feasibility studies, um, looking at, you

[23:56] know, 10 to 12 feet wide trails and

[23:59] looking at all of the the the normal

[24:01] feasibility issues that come with trails

[24:03] like rideways, utilities, environmental,

[24:05] just kind of laying all of that out.

[24:07] That structure is really helpful for us

[24:09] in terms of choosing projects that are

[24:11] able to be constructed and meet the

[24:13] goals of the program.

[24:15] So,

[24:16] >> and then the second one was just what's

[24:18] the discussion on maintenance currently?

[24:21] What a great question. Um yeah, so we

[24:23] are currently still having those

[24:25] discussions uh within the department at

[24:27] the very highest levels. Uh we have such

[24:30] a broad range of responses from local

[24:33] agencies. We've been talking to many

[24:34] local agencies about trail meetings. Uh

[24:37] some of them say don't touch our trails.

[24:39] We want to do it ourselves. We have our

[24:40] own standards. We have our own rules.

[24:43] And other local agencies say we don't

[24:44] have any resources. Please maintain our

[24:46] trails. So, we're trying to find a

[24:48] maintenance strategy that kind of fits

[24:50] all of those um different agencies,

[24:53] maybe a hybrid solution. Um this is a

[24:56] big component of our UTM master plan.

[24:58] It's a planning effort we're in the

[24:59] middle of right now. So, hoping by the

[25:01] end of this calendar year we'll have

[25:02] draft maintenance strategy that we can

[25:05] start pursuing uh and then we can kind

[25:08] of work it out from there. So, it's in

[25:09] development. As of right now, when we

[25:12] program an ITM project, we're asking

[25:14] those local agencies to pretty much own

[25:16] and maintain that trail until we have

[25:19] this element worked out.

[25:23] >> Thanks.

[25:26] [clears throat] As a statewide program,

[25:28] um, you obviously trying to hit as many

[25:30] areas of the state that make sense for

[25:32] this committee. We have representatives

[25:34] from Tillaa, from Morgan, Salt Lake,

[25:37] Davis, Weber counties, um, and even

[25:40] Boxelder. So, what have you done for us

[25:44] lately, Eric, with these the latest programming cycles? Is there

[25:47] anything else about the area that the

[25:51] community represents? Yeah, I think uh

[25:53] this program and I'd have to I'd have to

[25:55] bring it up on a screen here, but the the highest number of projects were

[26:00] in region two this year that we

[26:02] recommended uh for approval from the

[26:04] commission. Uh we have a planning study

[26:06] that I know that we're doing, a

[26:08] feasibility study in Tilla um up SR 36 I

[26:11] think it is there from Stanbury Park to

[26:14] Tilla. Um we have in South Salt Lake um

[26:17] the um there's a there's a small gap

[26:20] project that we did there. Um and uh

[26:23] yeah we've done another study in you

[26:25] know Mountain Green to Oregon 67 and so

[26:30] I think uh I believe it was seven

[26:33] different projects or so in region 2

[26:36] spread throughout the region. So, um,

[26:39] yeah, I'm happy to share a list of

[26:42] projects with anybody here. Also, on

[26:45] stiff app, you can see the recommended

[26:48] projects um for this year and you can

[26:50] sort them by region and and other

[26:53] variables, I guess. So, you can see

[26:55] what's been what's been recommended thus

[26:58] far.

[26:58] >> Maybe we can throw that into the chat

[27:00] for people online and include it in our

[27:02] followup email.

[27:03] >> Yeah.

[27:03] >> Resource. Okay.

[27:04] >> Yeah.

[27:05] >> Awesome. Any other funding or any other

[27:08] questions for

[27:13] » how how often do you think you'll update

[27:15] the plans?

[27:16] >> Yeah, so we have a plan to uh update the

[27:19] UTM master plan map every I think it's

[27:22] four years with the unified planning

[27:24] cycle. So any amendments that we need to

[27:26] make if people think there should be

[27:28] routes deleted or added or modified on

[27:30] our map, we're going to try to

[27:32] incorporate that in the process and make

[27:34] those changes. All

[27:39] right, I'll drop that link

[27:42] in the chat.

[27:44] Thanks.

[27:47] Okay. Are there any other questions?

[27:51] There's And you're looking online. No

[27:53] questions there either, right?

[27:55] >> I've not seen any.

[27:57] >> Okay. All right. Well, thank you, uh,

[27:59] Eric. We appreciate that update and, uh,

[28:02] educating us on the program. It's

[28:04] interesting to see how uh quickly uh

[28:07] [laughter] everybody wants um a piece of

[28:09] that pie and how again there's never

[28:11] enough funding to kind of take care of

[28:13] us, but we appreciate that all those

[28:15] that are involved with it. We'll now go

[28:17] on then to item number five, which is

[28:18] our um regional transportation plan uh

[28:22] preference scenario update. So the

[28:25] Wasach Front Regional Council staff will

[28:27] give us an update on the progress of the

[28:29] regional transportation plan which is

[28:32] scheduled for adoption

[28:34] uh in May of 2027.

[28:37] So the preferred scenario

[28:40] [clears throat] of the project is uh

[28:42] being finalized and many of us has

[28:45] participated and were engaged in the

[28:48] review of these draft projects

[28:51] uh for the and gave different ideas for

[28:54] the RTP in workshops last fall. And so

[28:57] the Wasatch Front Regional Council

[28:59] recently

[29:01] uh concluded the public comment period

[29:03] of this. So, with that, I want to go

[29:05] ahead and turn the time over to them to

[29:06] give us this update.

[29:09] >> U Thank you, Mayor. I'll take um take

[29:11] this item. And if Hugh, you want to hit

[29:14] the first slide? Um reminder that the uh

[29:18] Wasatch Front Regional Council's uh

[29:20] regional transportation plan includes

[29:23] active transportation which is uh biking

[29:26] and walking, roadways, transit and

[29:30] connects all those to um future land

[29:33] uses uh population

[29:36] um or homes uh businesses etc. Uh we

[29:40] develop it on a four-year cycle. Most of

[29:42] the last plan was adopted in May of

[29:44] 2023. We've had four amendments so far.

[29:48] We're working on one right now, which

[29:51] should be the final amendment. Um so, as

[29:53] Eric mentioned, um all this feeds into

[29:56] the Utah's unified transportation plan.

[29:59] Um but it's not static for the four

[30:01] years. uh it's fiscally constrained

[30:03] meaning that um not only do we identify

[30:07] needs but we have to also identify uh

[30:11] reasonable funding sources and revenue

[30:13] sources for the project. So um that's uh

[30:17] something that we work on pretty uh

[30:19] continuously and we work at we have a

[30:21] statewide uh model uh financial model

[30:25] that we work with all the other NPOS's

[30:27] and it's for all the modes and then um

[30:30] we also have to conform to air quality

[30:33] um standards that were given uh and

[30:36] budgets for road and transit broken into

[30:40] three phases. So this upcoming plan will

[30:42] go from uh they're really 10 10 year or

[30:45] decade buckets uh 2027 to 2036 2037 to

[30:50] 46 and then 2047 to 55. So um as we're looking at these everything

[30:58] that we do um is filtered through the

[31:01] Wasatch Choice Vision goals. You can see

[31:04] those on the right. They range from

[31:06] livable, healthy communities, manageable

[31:09] and reliable traffic conditions, clean

[31:12] air, housing choices, affordable living

[31:15] uh expenses, ample parks, public spaces.

[31:17] So, um those 10 goals is how we uh

[31:22] screen projects, review projects, phase

[31:25] projects, etc. So, u hit the next slide.

[31:28] H you um as the mayor mentioned, we are

[31:33] um one year out. So the plan will be

[31:35] adopted next year. We've already done

[31:37] some aspirational brainstorming, meaning

[31:39] we we worked with local communities. We

[31:42] worked with UD do and UTA. We generated

[31:45] a bunch of ideas to test in 2024. Um we

[31:49] screened those and developed a preferred

[31:52] scenario and went out last fall to

[31:55] workshops

[31:57] and brought that here to the ATC. Met

[32:00] with key stakeholders. We meet with over

[32:02] 20 key stakeholders across the region.

[32:05] Those include the universities, trails

[32:07] foundation, northern Utah,

[32:09] um key land holder holders, etc. And um

[32:14] have pretty much finalized the preferred

[32:16] scenario. And when we say preferred

[32:18] scenario, that means um a set of

[32:20] projects that are needed by 2055 or our

[32:23] horizon year depending on whatever plan

[32:25] we're in. So in this case, it's 2055.

[32:28] The next uh phase that we're going to be

[32:30] working on this summer is prioritizing

[32:32] those projects. And so that's the the

[32:35] 10-year or decade um buckets or um of

[32:41] identifying when they're needed first

[32:43] and then we identify uh how much funding

[32:46] we have or expect to have in each of

[32:49] those those decades. Um one other thing

[32:51] that we have um that's not showing on

[32:54] this slide is that we have um

[32:56] exploratory concepts. So, these are

[32:58] ideas that may weren't quite ready for

[33:01] the regional transportation plan, but

[33:03] they're ideas that we want to keep on um

[33:06] kind of on our radar, do some additional

[33:09] study, uh get some some more support

[33:11] either from local communities or our

[33:13] transportation partners or landholders.

[33:15] Um and then they could be uh included in

[33:18] a future regional transportation plan.

[33:20] but we'll have a a the ability to to

[33:23] show those exploratory concepts on on

[33:26] our final maps um and project list. So,

[33:29] kind of keep an eye out for those and

[33:31] then um finalizing the plan. So, we'll

[33:34] go out this fall to our workshops, come

[33:36] back to the ATC for feedback on the plan

[33:39] um October, November time frame, and

[33:42] then look to go out for an official

[33:43] public comment in January, February,

[33:45] finalizing plan as the mayor said in in

[33:47] May of next year. Back to you. Um as

[33:51] mentioned preferred scenario um I think

[33:54] we this is we've received the most

[33:57] comments um this go around on the

[33:59] preferred scenario

[34:01] a lot of them revolving around um the

[34:05] little cottonwood Canyon EIS and the

[34:07] gondola down at Little Cottonwood

[34:09] Canyon. We did receive a lot of support

[34:11] for the Rio Grand plan and

[34:14] [clears throat]

[34:14] um we uh surprisingly

[34:17] uh received quite a bit of uh input on a

[34:20] project up in Fruit Heights for a trails

[34:23] project. So we've been working with the

[34:24] city up there on some of those comments.

[34:27] Uh we've been reviewing these comments

[34:29] with U do UTA and the local communities

[34:32] as they've been coming in. So, uh, we

[34:35] didn't wait for all 2600 to come in and

[34:38] then review them. We've been reviewing

[34:41] them as we're moving forward. And like I

[34:43] said, we're going to we're now moving

[34:45] into the phasing component of the plan.

[34:48] >> Um,

[34:49] >> J, before you go on, can I just ask a

[34:51] question for our our members that are in

[34:54] Utah County, Tilla, and Morgan,

[34:57] right? How how much does this planning

[34:59] process mimic what's happening with the

[35:02] other agencies that we work with the

[35:03] unified plan that Eric mentioned?

[35:05] >> Um it mirrors it. Um so UD do outside of

[35:09] the WFRC MO area and you can see here on

[35:12] the map it's uh all of Salt Lake County,

[35:16] all of Davis County, the Wasuch front

[35:18] portion of Weber County and the southern

[35:21] portion of Boxelder County all fall

[35:24] within WFRC's boundaries. um

[35:26] Mountainlands Association of Governments

[35:28] um does the long range planning for Utah

[35:31] County and then everything outside of

[35:33] there besides Logan and St. George is uh

[35:37] completed by UD do. So the UD do

[35:40] planning department uh Zayn Pulmer is

[35:44] leading that effort uh right now. Um

[35:47] he's meeting with um each of the RPOS so

[35:51] rural planning organizations looking to

[35:53] see what's in their plans. And so WFRC

[35:56] has a plan for Morgan, has a plan for

[35:58] the Tula Valley. We we've just met

[36:02] yesterday with Zayn to to kind of hand

[36:04] over some of that information. They're

[36:06] going to go through a separate process

[36:08] and um work with the communities to

[36:10] identify and phase projects with the

[36:13] same time frame of of uh completion of

[36:16] that and adoption next summer of 2027.

[36:20] So our map yeah doesn't show those other

[36:23] areas of of the WFRC AOG Association of

[36:27] Governments because WFRC doesn't

[36:31] work uh with TW and Morgan but the state

[36:35] does the longrange planning for those

[36:37] areas.

[36:39] >> The similar schedule for the plan

[36:44] » um I've talked a little bit about

[36:46] phasing. So first uh this next summer,

[36:50] so the next two months, we're going to

[36:51] work on phasing based on needs. So

[36:54] that's when a project's anticipated to

[36:56] be needed. Um we've brought to you uh

[36:59] before um phasing criteria and waiting.

[37:03] So um in the next slide, I'll I'll show

[37:05] you a little bit of where we landed with

[37:07] that. Um and then um we'll move to the

[37:11] fiscally constraining or phasing based

[37:13] on projected funding available. Um, and

[37:16] that's based on how much funding we

[37:17] have. We don't have to. We're not

[37:20] federally required to do a a plan um

[37:23] based on funding for active

[37:25] transportation, but collectively all the

[37:28] NPOS's in UD do UTA um think it's

[37:31] valuable to do that. Um, and it's been

[37:34] helpful. It's one of the things that I

[37:36] think has helped get the 45 million

[37:38] ongoing for the ATIF. um funding for the

[37:43] active um funding of our transportation

[37:46] alternative programs at the MO levels uh

[37:49] some local option sales taxes and

[37:51] corridor preservation funds can all um

[37:54] be used for this. And so, um, I don't

[37:57] think we'd be at the the position right

[37:59] now with those revenues if we didn't all

[38:01] collectively show some amount of need,

[38:05] um, on the statewide level for active

[38:07] transportation and biking, walking, and

[38:10] then how big a gap we had, how much

[38:12] money we didn't have available. So, a

[38:14] lot of that had been used over the past

[38:15] years

[38:17] um to get some of that funding

[38:19] available now for for programming. So um

[38:23] not only are we planning for it but it's

[38:25] being uh used to to get funding for

[38:28] implementation. So on the next slide you

[38:32] can see here we have uh roadway transit

[38:34] active transportation and then as I

[38:36] mentioned everything we do is the

[38:38] Wasatch choice vision goals. You can see

[38:40] those on the left um for and but not all

[38:43] 10 goals are used um in uh every piece

[38:46] of our process. So for phasing

[38:48] [clears throat]

[38:49] the six on the left are the ones that we

[38:51] used for um evaluating projects um when

[38:55] they're needed. Liveable healthy

[38:57] communities, access to economic and

[38:59] education opportunities, manage and

[39:01] reliable traffic conditions, quality

[39:03] transportation coins, safe userfriendly

[39:05] streets and fiscally efficient

[39:07] communities and infrastructure. So um

[39:10] you can see there that gives you a

[39:12] little bit of idea on roadway transit

[39:14] active transportation how many uh points

[39:17] or where the emphasis um of the scoring

[39:21] will go for each of the modes um for

[39:23] active transportation quality

[39:25] transportation choices will get a a big

[39:29] chunk of the points uh followed by

[39:32] access to economic and uh educational

[39:34] opportunities we also call that ATO if

[39:37] you hear the acronym

[39:38] Um along with safety safe user friendly

[39:42] streets there's been a big push with UTN

[39:44] being separated facilities. Behive

[39:47] bikeways are separated facilities. Um so

[39:49] we're giving some points to those type

[39:51] of projects and then the healthy

[39:53] communities and manage reliable traffic

[39:56] conditions for active transportation

[39:58] rounding it out. So, um,

[40:02] expect a quick turnaround and like I

[40:03] said, we'll bring back a draft to this

[40:06] group to review of active transportation

[40:09] priorities and phasing. Um, with that,

[40:13] uh, take any questions, uh, from anybody

[40:15] on the RTP process and kind of where

[40:17] we're at.

[40:22] [clears throat]

[40:24] » Any questions?

[40:25] >> I have a question.

[40:26] >> Yeah. Um, I know that uh once our new

[40:29] recommended projects for UTN are

[40:31] approved later this month, I think our

[40:33] plan is to send all of our projects on

[40:36] our master plan to you guys seat for

[40:39] that uh phasing need projects. When

[40:43] would be a great time? Just as soon as

[40:45] they're approved, send that batch over

[40:46] to your team.

[40:49] >> Yeah, for sure. Um the the preferred

[40:53] scenarios never lock down, right? We're

[40:55] at 95%. So, we know that there's studies

[40:58] happening right now. There's communities

[41:00] doing uh active transportation master

[41:02] plans or updates to that or their local

[41:06] uh just general plans. So, there things will change between now and the

[41:10] end of the year. Um, we're going to take

[41:13] a cut at scoring the projects, but by no

[41:16] means do we just take the scores and

[41:18] say, well, the first third or the top or

[41:21] the phase one needs, the next highest

[41:23] scoring ones are all phase two. We have

[41:25] to use some professional judgment and

[41:27] we'll definitely take into consideration

[41:28] the UTN priorities and we definitely we

[41:32] have we need to have the projects that

[41:34] are funded in the phase one, right? So,

[41:36] that goes for all three modes um as

[41:39] well. [clears throat] Thank you.

[41:41] Sorry, can you explain um the alignment

[41:46] between the UTN and the RTP? Are they

[41:48] developed separately or are they jointly

[41:50] developed? Like can you help? I'm not

[41:52] fall sorry if everybody else is.

[41:55] >> As far as the UTN, the master plan that

[41:57] was developed and I think completed this

[41:59] last fall that was done using kind of a

[42:02] datadriven process combined with a huge

[42:04] outreach effort over the last like 18

[42:06] months. And so that network, that

[42:08] statewide network was developed really

[42:10] independently, but also taking into

[42:12] account all the the transportation plans

[42:14] and RTPs throughout the state within

[42:17] communities. I think the unified plan is

[42:20] taking that plus other projects, right,

[42:23] and phasing it in terms of need.

[42:25] >> So yeah, it's exactly right. The UN the

[42:29] UTN was developed with local community

[42:32] input. Um, but I don't believe there's

[42:35] many, if any, projects that are in the

[42:38] UT that weren't on local communities

[42:40] plans. There might be changes in like

[42:42] definition if somebody had like a on

[42:45] street facility where the UTN needs to

[42:48] be separated type of facilities. Um, but

[42:51] it'll be woven into the RTP. So can

[42:54] think of this as similar to like a local

[42:57] plan. Um, the locals will develop a

[42:59] plan. In this case, I we'll put all of

[43:03] the UTN in the regional transportation

[43:05] plan, even though there are some

[43:06] visionary more visionary type projects

[43:08] and so we need to figure out if they go

[43:10] into exploratory or if they're going to

[43:12] go into the deferred scenario. Um and

[43:15] then um with the local plans, we don't

[43:18] include every project that's in a local

[43:19] master plan. uh we need to look to uh

[43:22] work with the communities and kind of

[43:24] the counties to figure out what's more

[43:26] regional should be elevated into the the

[43:29] RTP. But um we had a seat at the table

[43:32] in in many of your workshops for the UT

[43:35] processes.

[43:38] [clears throat]

[43:41] » Okay. Anything else from anybody?

[43:46] Okay. Okay. If not, let's go ahead and

[43:47] go on then to item number six, which uh

[43:51] is the Boulder Pier Tour recap. I know

[43:55] several of you, well, there's about 20

[43:56] people that uh joined in the Boulder,

[43:59] Colorado Pier Tour that uh took place

[44:02] the end of April.

[44:04] And I know that on this tour that that

[44:06] wasn't just um on bikes, it was on foot

[44:10] by bus. And uh so today we have a few

[44:13] individuals that are going to share

[44:16] their viewpoint and what stood out the

[44:18] most to them. So I'll go ahead and turn

[44:20] the time over to uh Hugh to conduct

[44:22] that.

[44:23] >> Thanks Mayor. So we had a great great

[44:26] representation and turnout for folks

[44:27] that interested in visiting Boulder,

[44:29] Colorado. And Boulder for those that

[44:31] don't know is a platinum level bicycle

[44:34] community is designated by the League of

[44:36] American Bicyclists. Um, so we

[44:38] [clears throat] went to check out their

[44:40] system there, how people get around in

[44:42] addition to some new developments they

[44:45] have going on, some new urban

[44:46] developments, uh, how the bus system is

[44:48] integrated um, into Boulder. And it's a

[44:51] little bit of a unique community in that

[44:53] they don't have any fixed rail service

[44:56] there compared to a lot of our region

[44:58] here. And so that [clears throat] was a

[44:59] little bit different. As you can see

[45:01] from the photos, um there were we were

[45:05] greeted and met several elected

[45:08] officials and staff beginning of our

[45:10] first day there. There for a day and a

[45:11] half and then um one of the real

[45:15] purposes of these tours is to get out in

[45:17] the community in the cities and

[45:19] experience, you know, what's going on

[45:20] there as we're led. So there are

[45:24] [clears throat]

[45:24] plenty of us very cool things that we

[45:26] saw. They have this great pedestrian

[45:28] mall there. Um, as was mentioned, jumped

[45:30] on the bus to get to the town of

[45:32] Superior, which is just about a

[45:34] 20-minute bus ride away to look at some

[45:36] of the development they were doing. Um,

[45:38] checked out their separated pathways,

[45:41] um, how they separate vehicles,

[45:43] pedestrians, and bicyclists.

[45:45] Um,

[45:47] yeah, all these great tunnels that were

[45:49] there, more protected facilities. In

[45:51] just a second, I'm going to give some

[45:52] time to Cameron from Green Bike. Um, but

[45:55] in addition to seeing all the great

[45:57] infrastructure and speaking to it, we

[45:59] had some great time, you know, at dinner

[46:01] and after hours. I think we won the

[46:02] sport, the trivia night at one of the

[46:04] places we were at as a team

[46:06] collectively, which was really fun. So,

[46:08] it was a great opportunity to get to

[46:10] know some of your colleagues as well uh

[46:12] on this on this trip and these are tours

[46:14] we try to do every year. Uh, Cameron, do

[46:17] you mind you were able to come with us?

[46:19] Um, do you mind just sharing a few a few

[46:21] thoughts about your experience and your

[46:22] takeaways?

[46:24] >> Yeah. Um, so I'm Cameron Ariano. I'm

[46:26] with Green Bike. Um, it was very

[46:30] relevant for me as both somebody who

[46:33] runs the bike share program and as a

[46:35] personal bike commuter. Um, Boulder was

[46:39] really amazing. the biking

[46:40] infrastructure, the um cooperation

[46:44] between Boulder City, um they have a big

[46:48] university there, uh the University of

[46:49] Colorado, and the integration between

[46:52] the city of Colorado and the local bike

[46:54] share there is really amazing. Um and

[46:58] yeah, it was a great experience.

[47:00] Networking and meeting a lot of other

[47:02] folks who are interested in active

[47:04] transportation was great. Um, and a big

[47:07] takeaway for me is, um, when we went and

[47:11] met with the city, it was really

[47:13] impressive the amount of money and

[47:16] effort they put in into the

[47:17] infrastructure in Boulder. Um, and then

[47:20] as we're out touring, it's kind of like

[47:22] if you build it, they will come. Um,

[47:24] they have, it was really cool to see all

[47:26] everybody biking through the city. We

[47:28] actually went and did a little break off

[47:30] and met with the East Cycle folks that

[47:32] are the ones who run their local bike

[47:34] share. And it was very impressive to see

[47:36] because they give their students uh so

[47:39] call CU um gives every student on campus

[47:43] a free bike share program or free a free

[47:46] bike share pass. So it's really cool

[47:47] because what you see is everybody um who

[47:49] like lives in the city, they're they

[47:51] don't drive a lot. They'll take the

[47:52] bikes into the campus and then ride back

[47:54] out. And as somebody who's also a

[47:56] personal commuter, I was just very

[47:58] impressed by that and inspired. Um it

[48:02] also gave me a lot of ideas. I I also

[48:04] handle the planning at our bike share

[48:06] and we're both in Salt Lake City and

[48:08] Ogden and it was really interesting to

[48:10] see the choices of where they put the

[48:12] bike share stations, how they're the

[48:14] signage, the integration into the city

[48:16] and so it gave me a bunch of ideas on

[48:18] how we can kind of build our system to

[48:21] be more accessible for everybody um

[48:24] around town.

[48:26] >> Thanks, Cameron. [clears throat] Um,

[48:28] I'll add one thing that I really picked

[48:30] up on while we were there and we did

[48:33] walk to either get bikes or go to lunch

[48:35] or go to dinner and reflecting on the

[48:39] culture there. Anytime that we

[48:41] approached a crossing of a roadway when

[48:44] we were walking, um, we didn't have to

[48:46] wait for three or four cars to stop for

[48:49] us to cross the road. It was always the

[48:51] first car. And I was really, um,

[48:54] impressed by that. and they could be

[48:56] going sometimes pretty fast, but they

[48:58] would hit the brakes pretty hard knowing

[49:00] that, oh, people are crossing here. So,

[49:02] that was just a really interesting pick

[49:04] up on the culture of of expectation for when people are driving to expect

[49:10] people to be walking and biking and

[49:12] reflecting that in their in their

[49:14] behavior.

[49:16] >> I think that is

[49:18] [clears throat] difference in that

[49:19] culture.

[49:21] Why?

[49:22] >> Uh, fair question. I don't know if it's

[49:24] amount of time that um is there just the number of people biking walking

[49:30] maybe there's um enforcement

[49:32] ramifications that people have picked up

[49:34] on there also um a lot of red light

[49:38] running cameras there which are not

[49:39] legal in Utah currently but um a lot of

[49:42] signage and messaging around

[49:45] um

[49:47] zero fatalities and um not breaking

[49:50] traffic laws. So, I'm sure there's I'm

[49:52] guessing there are several things that go into that. Makes me think

[49:56] >> I can speak a little I can speak a

[49:59] little bit to that because I used to um

[50:02] back in the day, one of my careers, I

[50:04] used to go into Boulder a lot and um you

[50:08] know, Boulder's always been a healthy

[50:11] conscious type city. And in fact, that's

[50:13] the home where the home of uh corporate

[50:16] offices for Whole Foods. And so they've

[50:20] always been just all about health,

[50:22] wellness, and what's good for you. And

[50:24] so back when it was a smaller city, it that was a a priority in that in that

[50:30] culture there. So I think it's just

[50:32] permeated and grown and been out of

[50:35] respect for for people that uh like to

[50:38] be active and understanding that that's

[50:40] a um they wanted to maintain a healthy

[50:42] environment and very much into

[50:45] protecting the environment as well.

[50:48] So

[50:50] >> yeah, thanks.

[50:52] >> Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's just one of

[50:53] those areas that's really kind of grown

[50:55] that way, which I think is cool.

[50:58] >> Okay. Anyone else want to comment on

[51:00] this?

[51:03] Okay. If not, let's continue the bike

[51:05] [laughter]

[51:06] um topic, which uh I'm going to move on

[51:09] now to ebikes.

[51:12] Um, as many of you know, uh, we're all

[51:14] experiencing this explosion of the use

[51:17] of not just ebikes, but any type of a

[51:20] mobile device, uh, electric mobile

[51:23] device, I should say. And, um, so,

[51:28] you know, this this is a tough topic. I

[51:31] we do need to review and see where the

[51:34] current state is of ebikes regulation

[51:37] and what it is and what it is not. and

[51:40] then um have an open discussion

[51:44] uh about your education or strategies

[51:46] around this issue because I know it's a

[51:48] you know it's a common problem for all

[51:50] of us and especially in more of our uh

[51:52] fast-paced metro areas and the safety

[51:55] regarding that. So I'll um open it up at

[51:58] this time.

[52:01] >> Thanks Mayor. I I'll walk through a few

[52:03] things to set some groundwork if that's

[52:05] okay.

[52:05] >> Sure. And

[52:08] again, I apologize. I talk I talked a

[52:09] lot in this meeting, so thanks for

[52:11] putting up with me. Um, [clears throat]

[52:15] part of what the groundwork will be

[52:16] based on House Bill 381 that was passed

[52:19] this last legislative session. Um, I'll

[52:22] have some references to state code as we

[52:24] talk here. Um the nice thing about

[52:27] reading uh bills as Eric you know

[52:30] referenced state code earlier um is that

[52:33] in a bill it'll [clears throat] have um

[52:36] all the relevant portions of state code

[52:38] that reflect right what's happening with

[52:40] that respective piece of legislation

[52:42] whereas in the actual Utah code you have

[52:45] to jump around to lots of different

[52:47] sections and areas to sort of figure out

[52:50] where where it is in the code. So, if

[52:52] you want to just read the bill, um

[52:54] here's you can do reference 381 has all

[52:57] the relevant information. We also sent

[52:59] out in an email to committee members uh

[53:02] just a little nice recap article of the

[53:04] changes of House Bill 381

[53:07] um last

[53:09] yesterday, maybe last week, I don't

[53:11] recall. Anyway, uh [clears throat]

[53:15] but we're going to do some some polling

[53:17] work here if that's all right. So feel

[53:19] free to join uh here at Slido. You can

[53:21] use the QR code or go to slido.com

[53:25] and put in the number 3688480.

[53:35] This QR code and code will also be on

[53:38] the next screen uh case in case you miss

[53:42] it. But

[53:45] we'll jump we'll jump in here. Hey

[53:49] » [snorts]

[53:50] >> All right. Do you or someone you know

[53:52] own an ebike?

[53:56] And if you're unsure, that's okay.

[53:58] That's part of the issue here. Maybe

[54:00] they do, maybe they don't

[54:08] around the room. Just raise of hands if

[54:10] you know somebody or yourself.

[54:13] Yeah. Okay.

[54:15] Pretty inclusive. All [clears throat]

[54:17] right. So, just to reinforce that

[54:19] they're they are around us. They are

[54:21] among us as the kids saying.

[54:24] So, why why do so many people own

[54:27] ebikes? Put in this little word cloud.

[54:31] [clears throat]

[54:36] And hopefully this helps uh folks online

[54:39] and us in the room um engage in this a

[54:42] little bit rather than just those of us

[54:44] in the room.

[54:46] Okay. [clears throat] Cool breeze. Like

[54:49] that. Levels playing field. Ease of

[54:52] travel. Easy.

[54:55] You need speed. Question mark. Easier.

[54:58] Convenient.

[54:59] New technologies. Prices are getting

[55:01] lower. Eliminates hills.

[55:06] I'm guessing the sore hip is you have a

[55:08] sore hip and therefore heat helps

[55:11] because you get around

[55:13] >> people are not as physically inclined.

[55:15] [clears throat]

[55:16] I'm lazy. Okay, just so y'all know,

[55:19] riding an ebike is also exercise. Um

[55:23] there are studies on this that um you're

[55:26] definitely exercising even if you are on

[55:28] an ebike. So don't feel that you are

[55:30] lazy, you're not being lazy. This is

[55:32] great. [clears throat]

[55:34] Um

[55:37] all these reasons. So things that um

[55:40] thought about that I think are covered

[55:42] here. Go I'll go to the next slide.

[55:45] um is

[55:48] right [clears throat] passengers and

[55:50] cargo. It's just a lot easier with an

[55:51] ebike to be able to carry these things,

[55:54] right, as you move along heavier load.

[55:57] So, it can be that car replacement, that

[55:59] ability to take a trip in a different

[56:00] way um and [clears throat] improve your

[56:03] lifestyle, get a little bit again, not

[56:05] being lazy, you're just getting a

[56:06] different type of exercise and health

[56:08] and wellness that Mayor Petro was

[56:10] talking about.

[56:12] uh people can keep riding, right? There

[56:15] was a sore hip, bad knee. um getting

[56:18] older, ebikes really uh broaden the

[56:22] ability for people to continue riding or

[56:23] maybe ride when they hadn't before for

[56:25] some physical limitation or

[56:29] [clears throat] I don't think anybody

[56:30] mentioned this in the word cloud but um

[56:33] they can help you fall in love as well

[56:36] according to this ei [clears throat]

[56:40] or or fall in love again perhaps.

[56:44] All right. So, we're going to keep going

[56:45] with the quiz or another sorry a quiz to

[56:49] join. This should just be kicking up.

[56:51] So, what is an ebike? We asked if you

[56:54] know if you own one um if you know

[56:56] somebody that owns one, but we haven't

[56:57] defined it yet. So, let's look at it.

[57:02] Here are your options. A bicycle with a

[57:04] pedal assist electric motor. So, it

[57:06] means that the motor kicks in as you

[57:08] pedal where assistance stops at 20 mph.

[57:12] [clears throat] Bicycle with pedal

[57:13] assist electric motor where assistant

[57:14] stops at 28 miles per hour and has a

[57:16] speedometer.

[57:18] Bicycle with a throttle assist electric

[57:20] motor where assistant stops at 20 miles

[57:22] per hour. A bicycle with an electric

[57:25] assist motor no greater than 750 watts.

[57:28] All or none of the above.

[57:30] [cough and clears throat]

[57:31] So where people are ending up here.

[57:36] >> Now you're going to get influenc

[57:39] [clears throat]

[57:39] always. It's always always

[57:44] right.

[57:46] A lot to get through there. Just wanted

[57:49] to see what the live live quiz was

[57:51] telling us.

[57:52] >> Now everybody knows

[57:53] >> somebody picked all of you up. So it'll

[57:56] show up green what the answer is when

[57:59] you're done.

[58:02] >> It says voting closed.

[58:05] >> Council member, thank you. I don't know

[58:07] why that is.

[58:12] Keep it active, please. We're going to

[58:14] do this again.

[58:27] » Now,

[58:28] is it working? Okay, thank you. Yeah,

[58:32] everybody's

[58:35] horse.

[58:44] Okay. [clears throat]

[58:47] And a lot of these feel similar, right?

[58:52] And [clears throat] so again, this sort

[58:53] of leads to this confusion of what an

[58:57] ebike is. [clears throat]

[58:59] And as you all are thinking about that,

[59:01] um what I'll say is the language um

[59:05] around especially when it comes to

[59:09] crashes is really important on the

[59:11] language that's used around those and

[59:12] making sure we know what device was

[59:14] involved in that incident. So we're

[59:18] really just going to focus on protection

[59:20] here. So yes, all of the above. It's all

[59:23] these things. So there are three

[59:25] different classes of electric bikes and

[59:27] it's defined in Utah state code. Class

[59:29] one is that first definition assistant

[59:32] stops at 20 pedal assist. Uh class three

[59:36] is that second definition assistance

[59:38] stops at 28. You have to pedal but you

[59:40] can get 28 miles per hour and has a

[59:42] speedometer. And then a class two is a

[59:45] bicycle with a throttle assist electric

[59:47] motor. So you can throttle all the way

[59:49] up to 20, but then the assistance cuts

[59:51] out. And in all of these cases, um, the

[59:54] motor cannot be more powerful than 750

[59:57] watts.

[59:59] Okay, good job. So, there's a little

[1:00:01] breakdown chart that Bike Utah has on

[1:00:04] their website, um, which is really

[1:00:06] helpful. Tells you that class one, two,

[1:00:08] and three, and throttle devices only.

[1:00:12] And then um state code now defines high

[1:00:15] power devices

[1:00:17] um where if it's the motor only, you're

[1:00:19] not pedaling, get you above 20 miles per

[1:00:21] hour, it's not an ebike. Um again, it

[1:00:24] could be classified as an e motorcycle.

[1:00:26] Um but those those things when we talk

[1:00:29] about ebikes, we're talking about um

[1:00:32] these class one, two, and three

[1:00:34] bicycles.

[1:00:37] This can be found in Utah code 41.68.

[1:00:41] 68.102 or dash I guess those should be

[1:00:43] dashes

[1:00:45] again if you're really interested.

[1:00:49] So

[1:00:50] in plain speak if the device can exceed

[1:00:52] 20 m per hour on motor assistance alone

[1:00:55] or has a motor greater than 7 750 watt

[1:00:58] it's not legally considered ebike. Uh,

[1:01:01] the Department of Outdoor Recreation has

[1:01:03] this [clears throat] great little

[1:01:03] flowchart here where asks you some

[1:01:06] questions to sort of get you to decide

[1:01:09] whether or not um the device that you're

[1:01:11] considering buying or that you own is an

[1:01:14] ebike or something else. And when you go

[1:01:16] to their website, [clears throat]

[1:01:21] um, is it an ebike or an e motorcycle?

[1:01:23] You literally can click through. Does

[1:01:26] the vehicle have manufacturer installed

[1:01:28] operable pedals or cranks?

[1:01:31] >> Click

[1:01:33] [clears throat] click brains and boards.

[1:01:37] Yes. Contain the question. Right. Is the

[1:01:39] motor rated 750 watts [clears throat] or

[1:01:42] less? No. Right. So, not ebike, maybe an

[1:01:46] electric motorcycle. Does the motor stay

[1:01:49] within ebike speed limits? So it can

[1:01:51] walk you through and we'll share all

[1:01:54] these resources, but these could be

[1:01:55] great things for your communities to

[1:01:57] have links to and and what you're doing

[1:02:00] to help people figure this out. Likely

[1:02:04] ebike, likely motorcycle again to help

[1:02:07] qu some of the confusion around.

[1:02:10] [clears throat]

[1:02:10] [snorts]

[1:02:12] Okay,

[1:02:14] here we go again. [clears throat] Get

[1:02:16] ready.

[1:02:22] So, we defined what an ebike is, but who

[1:02:26] can ride them? Who can use them? Who can

[1:02:28] ride an ebike on the street? 7, six,

[1:02:32] five, four, three, two. Nobody.

[1:02:42] Anybody? Okay. All right. So, a little

[1:02:44] bit mixed bag here. Again, there's some

[1:02:46] confusion around this understandably so.

[1:02:50] Um, correct answer is it depends,

[1:02:53] [laughter] right? Adding to the

[1:02:55] confusion.

[1:02:57] So, oh, Pedro pedestrian, you got the

[1:03:00] most answers right. Two out of two.

[1:03:02] Congratulations.

[1:03:04] Um, and Dave as well.

[1:03:06] >> [clears throat]

[1:03:07] >> So, the House Bill 381

[1:03:10] uh put a time stamp on some new

[1:03:13] regulation that doesn't start until May

[1:03:16] of 2027. But under the current law

[1:03:18] today, if you're under eight years old,

[1:03:20] you cannot have the motor operable or or

[1:03:25] engaged, excuse me, engaged uh on an

[1:03:27] ebike and operate it. you're under 14,

[1:03:31] you can operate in the street, but you

[1:03:34] have to be under direct under direct

[1:03:36] adult supervision.

[1:03:39] I will not speak to my kids and how they

[1:03:41] use this for fear of criminal

[1:03:43] investigation. [laughter]

[1:03:45] [clears throat] Okay? And if you're

[1:03:46] under 16, no class 3 ebikes. So again,

[1:03:49] those are the bikes that with as you're

[1:03:51] pedaling, you get up to 28 miles per

[1:03:53] hour. [clears throat] So, uh,

[1:03:57] over the next year or come May of 27,

[1:04:00] the law changes. Under 80, it's still

[1:04:02] the same thing. Cannot engage the motor.

[1:04:05] Between 8 and 16 years old, you can

[1:04:08] acquire a safety certificate, very

[1:04:10] [clears throat] similar to offhighway

[1:04:12] vehicle safety certificates or hunting

[1:04:14] education, things that will be provided

[1:04:16] by the state. If you go through that

[1:04:18] course and have that certificate, you

[1:04:20] can operate um an ebike [clears throat]

[1:04:23] in the road or be under direct adult

[1:04:27] supervision. If you're over 16, yes, you

[1:04:29] can even without a driver's license. Um

[1:04:33] and something new added to the

[1:04:35] legislation is that if you're under 21

[1:04:37] years old and you're operating an ebike,

[1:04:39] you do need to wear a helmet.

[1:04:41] [clears throat]

[1:04:42] So in legislation,

[1:04:45] >> is there anything that has all of that

[1:04:48] like the flyers supposed to post to our

[1:04:49] public? Like

[1:04:52] >> that's a great question

[1:04:52] >> because it would be nice to have the

[1:04:54] bare basics to give information out to

[1:04:57] them.

[1:04:58] >> Yeah,

[1:04:58] >> I didn't know if anybody's already done

[1:05:00] that. Well,

[1:05:02] >> I'm going to ask that question and see

[1:05:03] if we can volunteer some information

[1:05:05] because [clears throat] that I'm hoping

[1:05:06] that something does exist out there

[1:05:09] maybe. So, great question. And if not,

[1:05:11] we'll we'll have to put something

[1:05:13] together. Yeah. Great. Great question.

[1:05:14] >> And is this um the training going to be

[1:05:16] online? Have we heard yet? Is this the

[1:05:18] certificate safety certificate? Are they

[1:05:21] planning it all to be virtual for it?

[1:05:23] >> I believe so. Okay.

[1:05:24] >> Yep. I believe it will be. And so, that

[1:05:26] is in process, which is why it's not um

[1:05:29] taking effect until May of next year, so

[1:05:31] they can develop that safety course.

[1:05:32] Okay. Yeah. You can be, you know, sort

[1:05:34] of on your own. Take it. Okay. Good

[1:05:37] question.

[1:05:39] So again, this can be found in Utah code

[1:05:42] these codes again in 381. It's has it

[1:05:46] all outlined for you.

[1:05:49] So the list that we just looked at again

[1:05:52] that you put together um spans on this

[1:05:57] graphic and tells you ages, what's

[1:06:01] required, how you do it. Um, so Cameron

[1:06:05] Carter with like Utah is online with us

[1:06:08] today. U Cameron, if you want to speak

[1:06:10] to anything or any of the educational

[1:06:12] materials that might be out there,

[1:06:13] welcome your your comments. Let us know.

[1:06:18] >> Thanks, Sue. Um, yeah, Bike Utah's

[1:06:20] website has a lot of information about

[1:06:22] all the laws that apply to ebikes and

[1:06:24] regular bikes. So, if you're interested,

[1:06:27] um, just head over to our website.

[1:06:32] » [clears throat]

[1:06:32] >> Um, so do you know there's been a lot of

[1:06:38] attempts at education to your question,

[1:06:41] Council Member Blah, and I've seen

[1:06:43] things on social media, but just curious

[1:06:48] now to open it open up the discussion to

[1:06:51] how your agency or municipality has been

[1:06:54] trying to educate people on this. And

[1:06:56] maybe you don't know, which is fine.

[1:06:58] Again, we're all here just to try and

[1:07:00] get up to speed and and learn from one

[1:07:02] another if possible. But does anybody

[1:07:04] know that their their municipality is is

[1:07:07] try to engage with this and with their

[1:07:10] public on educational resources around

[1:07:13] these laws?

[1:07:19] » Yes. Thanks. Um, so Salt Lake County,

[1:07:21] um, not direct, uh, education to the

[1:07:24] public that I'm aware of, but we are

[1:07:26] working on, uh, an ebike policy and an

[1:07:30] ebike ordinance. So, the the ebike

[1:07:32] policy would apply within the regional

[1:07:34] parks throughout Salt Lake County and

[1:07:36] the ordinance would apply to the

[1:07:38] unincorporated county. And it has um

[1:07:42] it's tiered and it has um regulate or

[1:07:45] guidelines I guess about um the class

[1:07:48] one, two, and three ebikes and what type

[1:07:50] of paths or trails they would be allowed

[1:07:52] on. So like class one ebikes allowed

[1:07:55] anywhere. Other bikes are allowed. Class

[1:07:57] 2 not allowed on natural service trails.

[1:08:01] Um and then a speed limit of 20 miles

[1:08:03] per hour on all trails. So, um, so that

[1:08:06] this is not this is proposed just in

[1:08:08] draft form so far. Um, but so it's

[1:08:12] apparently a I'm not working on it

[1:08:14] directly, but um it's a priority for uh

[1:08:17] Mayor Jenny Wilson and um it's something

[1:08:19] that county is interested in

[1:08:21] coordinating with municipalities to try

[1:08:23] to have consistency in in the rules

[1:08:26] about ebikes on trails.

[1:08:29] >> U Thank you for bringing that up. And you just said trying to coordinate

[1:08:32] with municipalities

[1:08:33] >> in Salt Lake County.

[1:08:34] [clears throat] Um

[1:08:37] and that is right. If somebody's out

[1:08:41] riding an ebike,

[1:08:43] they're not going to know when they're

[1:08:45] in unincorporated county or in a city.

[1:08:48] >> True.

[1:08:48] >> A park probably. Okay, that makes some

[1:08:50] more sense. Um I mean is there a a

[1:08:55] thought or a consensus among everybody

[1:08:57] here that there needs to be like perfect

[1:09:01] consistency from you know jurisdiction

[1:09:03] to jurisdiction

[1:09:07] perfect might be harder but close

[1:09:12] » I just think to county probably mean

[1:09:14] they are different cities so that they

[1:09:17] because they don't know that they cross

[1:09:18] over

[1:09:20] county or city. Yeah,

[1:09:22] >> I think the challenge might be too that

[1:09:25] where there's a greater density of

[1:09:26] cyclists, that's where it could be an

[1:09:29] issue where there are more rural

[1:09:32] counties or even suburban cities now

[1:09:34] there aren't as many cyclist and maybe

[1:09:36] they're not as maybe it's not as big

[1:09:37] concerned how fast eikes run compared to

[1:09:40] those aris

[1:09:43] like our city very concerned because of

[1:09:45] the if you're using a trail at a grade

[1:09:49] as a cyclist without a bike that's very

[1:09:51] the most zoom up. So they had a lot of

[1:09:54] issues upside back the difference how

[1:09:57] fast you can go especially at grade

[1:10:00] >> context context matters.

[1:10:02] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's fair.

[1:10:07] » Anybody anybody again willing to share

[1:10:09] about

[1:10:11] >> usually is Mayor Bond still on?

[1:10:15] because I I I live in Syracuse, so I do

[1:10:18] remember seeing something in our

[1:10:19] newsletter, although I don't get the

[1:10:22] hard copy anymore. I have to click on

[1:10:24] the link and then scroll through, but I

[1:10:25] just looked up on the website and

[1:10:26] there's a very in-depth section on

[1:10:29] Syracuse City's website. Um, and I do

[1:10:33] see plenty of kids ripping through the

[1:10:35] neighborhood on not ebikes

[1:10:38] for sure.

[1:10:42] >> Not kid

[1:10:44] does not have e motorcycles. They got

[1:10:46] bikes um or access to.

[1:10:49] >> So anyway, don't know if but I know

[1:10:52] Syracuse city sent out some stuff in the chat. That would be great.

[1:11:02] Police also put out like a little flyer

[1:11:05] that talks about HP3 381 and the

[1:11:09] different requirements that are going to

[1:11:10] be coming.

[1:11:11] >> Okay. Would you mind sending that to me

[1:11:13] and then we can get it Yeah.

[1:11:14] >> put out today later. Yeah. Thanks.

[1:11:18] And I'm glad David you mentioned that a

[1:11:20] lot of the from what I've seen resources

[1:11:24] put out about this have come from

[1:11:25] enforcement

[1:11:27] departments right within cities.

[1:11:29] >> Uh you know you do a lot of planning

[1:11:32] here and limitation stuff but not a lot

[1:11:34] of enforcement talk. So if you're not

[1:11:37] sure if something can hear me now

[1:11:40] check yeah mayor. Hello.

[1:11:43] >> Okay. Sorry. [clears throat]

[1:11:45] Uh

[1:11:47] We've actually gone to great lengths to

[1:11:49] put out a lot of social media stuff on

[1:11:51] all of our channels as well as uh

[1:11:55] written information. It this is such a

[1:11:57] new part a lot of people just don't know

[1:12:00] about it yet.

[1:12:04] » Have you had any feedback that it's

[1:12:06] working well or tweaks you maybe made as

[1:12:09] you put out the material? It

[1:12:12] >> it's really mixed. Um there's the good

[1:12:14] and the bad. I mean some people are

[1:12:16] really appreciative to learn about this.

[1:12:19] Um unfortunately probably the more

[1:12:21] dominant feedback is if I can buy it my

[1:12:24] kid can use it you know and um so there

[1:12:28] are a lot of people who are buying

[1:12:29] things first not recognizing that there

[1:12:33] are legal limits to what kids can do and

[1:12:36] can't do. And um we we've had a lot of

[1:12:39] young kids on uh motorized vehicles and

[1:12:45] anywhere they just, you know, sidewalk

[1:12:47] roads just freefor-all. So it that's why

[1:12:51] we're spending a lot of time putting

[1:12:52] information out.

[1:12:55] >> Thank you. Thank you for sharing.

[1:12:58] >> Brad, I see you dropped something in the

[1:12:59] chat. Do you mind just speaking to that?

[1:13:01] >> Yeah. So, one of the things that we're kind of noticing is that the

[1:13:05] reporting for all the ebikes has often

[1:13:08] been complaint driven or injury driven.

[1:13:11] And so, we're trying to get a better

[1:13:12] picture of who has them, you know? So,

[1:13:15] we're actually looking at doing a

[1:13:16] statewide survey to get a better

[1:13:17] assessment of how many families have the

[1:13:19] different types of e vehicles and who

[1:13:23] which kind. So, we're we've got a lot

[1:13:25] going on that one, but it's still in IRB

[1:13:27] right now. We're hoping to work with DPS

[1:13:29] on getting it pushed out here fairly

[1:13:31] quick.

[1:13:33] >> Yeah, that'll be really fascinating to

[1:13:36] hear what the data is on that.

[1:13:39] [clears throat]

[1:13:40] >> This is Joy. I'll chime in. I'll tell

[1:13:42] you, um, the hardest part that we have

[1:13:44] in the municipalities is the fact of

[1:13:47] enforcement.

[1:13:49] Um

[1:13:50] although this is a a you know critical

[1:13:54] uprising that's going on um there's

[1:13:58] bigger fish to fry and so it just

[1:14:00] becomes

[1:14:01] very difficult for us to

[1:14:05] apply manh hours towards something like

[1:14:07] this when we have bigger things that we

[1:14:09] have to deal with. So that's why it's

[1:14:11] hard on a on on a local level to enforce

[1:14:15] anything. But certainly awareness and the state statue when you asked the

[1:14:20] question earlier,

[1:14:22] would it be wise to have something that

[1:14:25] uh would c people wouldn't know when

[1:14:27] they're crossing from a county to an

[1:14:28] unincorporated area or from city to

[1:14:31] city? I mean, if we all have different

[1:14:33] rules and regulations, it's going to be

[1:14:35] even more impossible for anybody to

[1:14:39] enforce. So I think that from the

[1:14:42] overall point of view we do need to

[1:14:44] continue to work from the state level

[1:14:47] and have you know a good balance across

[1:14:51] the entire state on it.

[1:14:54] But again these devices there's more and

[1:14:58] you know that's constantly being evolved

[1:15:01] and every time you turn around you look

[1:15:03] and go okay what was that? It's it's

[1:15:05] gone from a onehe two wheel to, you

[1:15:09] know, scooters, bikes, you name it. So,

[1:15:11] pretty soon we'll be having hoverboards

[1:15:14] everywhere, you know. So,

[1:15:16] again, that it all comes down to how do

[1:15:19] you really regulate it?

[1:15:21] >> And again, I think one of the big

[1:15:23] challenges is so many of the users are

[1:15:25] minors. So even when you do involve

[1:15:28] enforcement of any kind because

[1:15:31] [clears throat] where these are being

[1:15:34] used is a big part of what is legal and appropriate. You know, you've got

[1:15:39] people on public trails, you've got

[1:15:41] people in bike lanes, you've got people

[1:15:44] on sidewalks, you've got people right

[1:15:46] out in the middle of the road that are

[1:15:48] on a device that only goes 20 miles an

[1:15:50] hour. That's uh difficult because it

[1:15:53] involves a lot of things. But once you

[1:15:55] get law enforcement involved, if you uh

[1:15:58] detain a minor just to try even to try

[1:16:01] and educate them, then you've got adults

[1:16:04] later that have to get involved as well.

[1:16:06] So, um I I've heard some pretty wild

[1:16:10] ideas out there and another former mayor

[1:16:14] said that they were impounding devices.

[1:16:16] Uh, I don't think that that's actually

[1:16:18] legal, but you know, I there are people

[1:16:22] still fishing around with how we how we

[1:16:25] manage this. And so I would love to see

[1:16:28] the state uh give more guidance on on

[1:16:32] what enforcement measures are legal cuz

[1:16:37] you know we we're we're not trying to be

[1:16:40] difficult to people but education

[1:16:42] usually starts when somebody realizes

[1:16:44] that somebody cares enough to tell them

[1:16:47] that this isn't right or you know I mean

[1:16:50] because there there are injuries you

[1:16:52] know one question that came up with us

[1:16:54] is who's liable If someone on an ebike

[1:16:57] injures a pedestrian in a pedestrian

[1:17:00] safe area and then they claim, well, I

[1:17:03] was on an ebike, which bikes are

[1:17:05] supposed to be illegal on trails, too.

[1:17:08] Um, that we're, you know, we're trying

[1:17:10] to navigate that. We're trying to

[1:17:11] understand what's the appropriate

[1:17:13] response. So, I think there's a lot of

[1:17:15] questions out there right now, more than

[1:17:18] there are answers today.

[1:17:22] >> Yeah. Thanks, Mayor. You you mentioned

[1:17:24] possible impoundment and Cameron Carter

[1:17:26] maybe you know more about this. If I

[1:17:29] remember right the the new legislation

[1:17:32] House Bill 381 does allow for

[1:17:36] um e devices to be impounded by a police

[1:17:39] officer and only to be released to the

[1:17:42] parent or legal guardian of the minor

[1:17:45] that it was impounded from. Um somebody

[1:17:48] correct me if I'm wrong on that if you

[1:17:49] know better please. But that's my

[1:17:51] impression. Dam you give a thumbs up.

[1:17:54] Okay. Yeah. So legally from the state

[1:17:58] that that is an option.

[1:18:00] But again to all your points, how

[1:18:02] practical is the ability to enforce this

[1:18:04] all the time, right? It's really really

[1:18:06] tricky. And so it's a culture thing.

[1:18:07] It's an education thing

[1:18:10] um that uh I think we all need to work

[1:18:12] on together. If if for some reason um

[1:18:16] you weren't able to share your resource

[1:18:18] today, please send that to us and we'll

[1:18:22] compile what was been shared today and

[1:18:24] we'll look up some other uh try and look

[1:18:27] up some other educational things that

[1:18:29] are out there and share them um with the

[1:18:32] group. And um if if there's nothing

[1:18:36] satisfactory, maybe we need to work on

[1:18:38] something together that might be a

[1:18:39] simple handout. Or u in Boulder, they

[1:18:43] had

[1:18:44] um door [clears throat] hangers that

[1:18:46] they made and they would if they saw um

[1:18:50] an illegal e device, right, that's not

[1:18:53] street legal, was not an ebike, they put

[1:18:56] a little door hanger right on the

[1:18:57] handlebars to say, "Hey, just FYI, this

[1:19:00] is what's legal. This is what's not.

[1:19:02] giving these to you because your device

[1:19:03] is not legal. So maybe there's something

[1:19:06] like that. I know Sonic County might be

[1:19:07] interested in something like that,

[1:19:08] Council Member Harrison. So um

[1:19:11] [clears throat] yeah, just different ways. And hopefully we can

[1:19:15] I'll get to the best resources here. And

[1:19:19] one thing I'd add even I saw that Trails

[1:19:22] Foundation Northern Utah has some stuff

[1:19:24] on their web page. Um, I was up at North

[1:19:28] Fork on Mount Lake Trails and they had

[1:19:30] little sign that said class one only,

[1:19:32] class two and three. Not again really

[1:19:36] hard to enforce, but it's again

[1:19:37] education. Maybe it's more community

[1:19:40] enforce that you see someone

[1:19:43] and say something, you know, versus

[1:19:46] calling the sheriff or whatever

[1:19:49] and just be nice about it,

[1:19:50] >> right? I mean, I noticed it on the a

[1:19:53] trail sign. So, um, and I I think it's

[1:19:57] different as I was looking through some

[1:19:58] of it on forest property. You know, you

[1:20:01] could be on a road

[1:20:03] on a different type of bike, but when

[1:20:05] then you go on the bite mountain bike

[1:20:07] trail, different type of so it was nice

[1:20:11] that they had them signed at least.

[1:20:16] Um, and one thing I think as we look at

[1:20:19] enforcement and rules, we already

[1:20:22] together as a group listed all the great

[1:20:23] things about ebikes, right? We want

[1:20:25] those things to be available to our

[1:20:27] communities and to people, right?

[1:20:29] Because of the way it expands their

[1:20:31] mobility. So, as we, you know, tackle

[1:20:35] this as communities trying to say, but

[1:20:37] we want to be able to move in these

[1:20:39] ways, we want this to be available, but

[1:20:41] in a responsible manner, right?

[1:20:43] [clears throat] And so trying to strike

[1:20:44] that balance as we move forward.

[1:20:47] Whereas like the state of New Jersey um

[1:20:50] this last year basically said you need a

[1:20:53] driver's license for any type of ebike

[1:20:55] or e device or anything like that and

[1:20:56] made it really really restrictive. Um

[1:20:59] you know and that comes to to be harmful

[1:21:02] to members of our community that rely on

[1:21:04] you know ebikes to get around and maybe

[1:21:06] you know that's their own mobility

[1:21:08] option. So, we don't want to go that far

[1:21:10] in.

[1:21:12] Um, okay. One last.

[1:21:15] No, which one?

[1:21:20] » Um,

[1:21:21] >> yep, you're good.

[1:21:24] Um, so that last question of the day.

[1:21:28] [clears throat]

[1:21:30] This is helpful feedback for us. Um,

[1:21:33] this was new. Some new themes are

[1:21:39] not new, but it was a good review for a

[1:21:41] job.

[1:21:43] [laughter]

[1:21:57] And if you have specific questions um

[1:22:00] you don't want to again share today or

[1:22:01] resources please reach out and have to

[1:22:04] engage with you and provide assistance

[1:22:05] where we can but again uh great partners

[1:22:08] out there a lot of police departments

[1:22:10] are doing things in this regard bike

[1:22:11] Utah some great resources we mentioned

[1:22:14] the office of outdoor recreation and the

[1:22:18] it says an e bike or an e motorcycle. Um

[1:22:21] we'll make sure all these get out into

[1:22:23] our followup now as well. So I think

[1:22:28] it's glad glad to see that there was

[1:22:29] some new material here and some things

[1:22:32] for for us all to think about moving

[1:22:35] forward.

[1:22:37] Okay, thanks Mayor. I think that's uh

[1:22:40] all on that topic. Okay. Well, uh that

[1:22:43] was actually our last topic of

[1:22:45] discussion on the agenda, but if the

[1:22:48] there's any other business, you know,

[1:22:50] certainly pop it up now. Otherwise, um I

[1:22:53] just want to make sure that all you guys

[1:22:55] mark August 11th as our next meeting

[1:22:58] that we'll be holding. And um certainly

[1:23:01] I appreciate all the participation and

[1:23:03] the information that was shared today.

[1:23:05] And if there's no other business, I'll

[1:23:08] entertain a motion to adjurnn.

[1:23:11] So moved.

[1:23:13] >> Thank you. Is there a second?

[1:23:18] » I'll second it.

[1:23:20] [laughter]

[1:23:23] » I was going to say you guys are too

[1:23:24] quiet. Anyway, thanks again and make

[1:23:27] sure you travel safe today and we

[1:23:30] appreciate you taking time out of your

[1:23:31] busy schedules.

[1:23:33] >> Bye everybody.

[1:23:35] >> Bye.

[1:23:37] Dr. Eric

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