[0:00] We'll be warning everybody. It is 9 o'clock on August 11, 9 o'clock in the morning. And so I'd like to call this meeting to order. And if we come to our agenda, which is the chat, some of you, if you need a copy of it, there's a packet here from the last, for this meeting. Okay, we'll just get free and get one.

[0:26] But I'd like to call this reading for order, and let's start by making introductions.

[0:32] Can you do roll call?

[0:34] Yeah, you need to establish that you have to call.

[0:35] I'm just going to do it.

[0:37] Roll call?

[0:39] Oh.

[0:40] Yes.

[0:40] Thank you.

[0:41] All right.

[0:44] We'll begin by calling the roll.

[0:51] We don't have time.

[0:59] Okay, let's go around the table from this side.

[1:02] Okay, okay.

[1:04] Let's go.

[1:06] All of the ground.

[1:07] We'll have to settle in.

[1:09] One, two, one.

[1:09] This is my first meeting.

[1:12] Gene's been alert.

[1:14] Pick me.

[1:15] And Rick Jacobs and also my first meeting.

[1:19] Okay, in fact, what I was going to do is,

[1:22] and you know, we haven't taken that.

[1:24] is let the audience know that we have two new members at this meeting.

[1:30] One that is in morning circles on my left,

[1:34] and then Ken Jacobson, Rick Jacobson, I'm sorry.

[1:41] So, very good.

[1:42] Well, welcome to the committee, glad to have you on board.

[1:47] Now, I'd like to do is have the counting,

[1:50] introduce, and so this will around the room

[1:52] and get basic introductions.

[1:53] right now at this point.

[1:56] Let's start with you Steve and you are a planning director?

[2:01] Sorry.

[2:03] Rosemary's small comb, Marcos Accounting District 1 Supervisor, which includes

[2:08] the community of Obama.

[2:11] Thank you.

[2:12] Danielle Bonch, you clerk of the board.

[2:15] And so I'm here today because we are going to start live streaming

[2:19] the meetings on the County website.

[2:22] We recently changed our agenda management system.

[2:24] And we now have capabilities. We didn't have prior to the beginning of June. So I'm here to kind of help set this up.

[2:33] So people can listen from the comfort of their home.

[2:36] And we also now have a calling line for you to call in and give your public comment.

[2:42] We are also recording it so it'll be available online moving forward.

[2:47] I'm Ben Goverberg, President County Housing Committee Development Specialist.

[2:54] One thing I would not comment to is Danielle,

[2:58] but this meeting will be keeping them in its also for this meeting

[3:02] as Gary is unable to attend today.

[3:09] And that is the county.

[3:12] Now, please, please, please,

[3:14] members of the audience, if you can hear this yourself

[3:16] as well.

[3:17] And we want to start with you to kind of work.

[3:19] We're keen if I could just interrupt.

[3:22] Danielle, do you want to talk about that?

[3:24] Yeah.

[3:25] So to make sure the audio is very clear, that microphone on the corner, if you guys could come up

[3:32] and give your name through it, my computer will pick up the sound in the room, but to ensure

[3:36] that your voices are clear in the recording and clear for anybody listening at home, we ask

[3:41] that you please speak into a microphone.

[3:45] Even for the introduction. Even for the

[3:48] The President, we inherit your resident?

[3:53] Yes.

[3:54] We inherit your resident?

[3:59] Dad and Dad fiscal residents.

[4:08] I'm Sandy.

[4:09] I'm Chuck Jones.

[4:10] It's one.

[4:19] I'm willing to rise deputy director of public workers.

[4:24] Sir, I'm sorry.

[4:24] Deputy director, cohort.

[4:33] I'm resident.

[4:41] It's solar now.

[4:49] I need to take leave.

[4:50] Residents on the south side.

[4:54] She needs to have a senior resident.

[5:02] I'm sure they can.

[5:33] Okay,

[5:42] now that will complete the introductions. Thank you all very much. The next item

[5:47] on the agenda is that I am over D, and that's public comment on none of the agenda items.

[5:54] And what this portion is really all about, is that some of you want to raise the views

[6:00] before the committee, and they have which are not on this agenda.

[6:06] You'll have an opportunity to talk to, address them, and that the committee cannot act on those

[6:13] But, however, the committee can take the information and decide later to incorporate them into an agenda in the agenda items for future leading.

[6:22] Basically, that's how that works.

[6:25] So, is there anybody here who has an element on items that are not on the agenda?

[6:30] But, they were right.

[6:34] I'd

[6:39] like to take this opportunity to maybe introduce folks to the new agenda format.

[6:51] And the agenda format is driven by a specific policy that was adopted by the Nervous

[6:57] Board of Supervisors that governs all of our county advisory boards, commissions, and committees.

[7:07] And it is called the Post-Says Festifying Guidelines Procedures and Standing Rules for County Advisory Board's Commission and Committees.

[7:13] It is included in the agenda packet.

[7:16] And in that policy includes recommended format for the agenda for minutes and an oath of office where it's required and that I'm not remembering but we'll see it when we go through that policy later on.

[7:47] But the reason I wanted to mention it is that this agenda looks different.

[7:52] I suspect to those of you who have worked with the web packages in the past.

[8:00] And we're looking for input.

[8:01] Gina and I talked this through the agenda.

[8:04] We're four and a half minutes to end.

[8:09] And both of the office is where it's required.

[8:12] the guy named so bad how he said that we can but I'm not remembering that we see it when we go through the job policy and we can

[8:20] play along but the reason I want to mention it is that if you this agenda looks different I've

[8:26] suspended two months or you can have more for with what kind of what kind of

[10:16] The next meeting, then we'll make sure that we've got the right people in the future.

[11:00] We'll make sure that we've got the right people in the future.

[11:21] Any other comments?

[11:23] I am certain I'm not worried.

[11:49] The proportional people captures it must be something that is majoral.

[11:53] So if they had certain number of hands, if they had different hands,

[11:58] or if they had to make sure the weight coming out of each present and a few few few few few few.

[12:03] And we're unable to do that properly because these are community bands that are shared by everyone.

[12:08] A few few few and a few of the present we like.

[12:11] So that's not possible to do that system.

[12:13] So everybody will be using right hand same rate.

[12:18] I'm going to build properties and then we'll go through that.

[12:21] We just got our 14 properties that were paying.

[12:25] That's increased to these that are collected by 5,000 or 4,000.

[12:30] And we have system based on the catchups on the right hand.

[12:33] So we know what are having new properties you build and that's anything I do to do.

[12:38] And then this always inside the recitement system study, ongoing, looking for a find-of-file

[12:45] completion of September, we're just finishing up the analysis of the operations of the facility.

[12:51] But with that, there's an unknown of what the rate in recitementation will be, for the solid waste, natural, and the source rate.

[12:58] And that will affect the collection rates.

[13:00] And it will give that a little more later.

[13:05] So, primary objective is the implementation of a bare technical piece structure by efficient and reliable waste management services to the community while maintaining the district's financial stability.

[13:16] Again, those services are the brighter, the slower selection, through the ecology, tiny

[13:21] pickup, both get and drop off, and the administrative services, which is the building,

[13:27] the budget management, preparation budget, building with the ecology, and the franchise

[13:32] fees, or the franchise agreement to do that.

[13:35] All right, so the challenges to maintain that goal are the inflation, external costs,

[13:44] in

[13:45] It's got very expensive, but we had the global wind event, and the still this year probably

[13:51] also got some impact.

[13:54] So that would be a pleasure to cost of making that project.

[13:59] The potential changes in service providers, and this is what we're also going to get, it's

[14:03] always steady.

[14:05] It's placing the franchise agreement for the county out the day.

[14:09] And then the secretization of waste collection service contracts, the park service, or the

[14:16] possession area for the park has a little contract with your college team.

[14:20] There's a separate contract for marijuana, and they're web for the rest of the county.

[14:24] And they're all expired every time.

[14:26] And what we're trying to do is sync those so you can leverage the ability to bid that process out.

[14:32] And we offer all those out.

[14:37] solutions and you'll place the factor of adjustments to the rate and that is unfortunately

[14:42] a line of fees or changes of fees for independent external services and what's which

[14:47] is in the project cost and short term service agreement.

[14:51] So, for right now with your apology, we're just pursuing one year agreements, trying to

[14:55] to think that. Otherwise, it's virus and joy.

[15:00] Locker, July 1st, renews, currently, it's currently expired with a new July. The French has been renewed in January every year, to year to year to year, and we are at six months notice of going to cancel it.

[15:19] So we have to do all this by following the proposition to a team process that process requires.

[15:23] We do a couple of notes, a million tall affected property owners be telling the purpose of

[15:28] operation that proposed fees are rich changes.

[15:32] The property owners have a 45-day period to submit written a protest and a protest

[15:36] or a seat for majority of affected property owners.

[15:39] The agency came up and posed our increase in fees.

[15:43] The protest must be submitted in writing, identified as affected property, and clearly indicate

[15:50] to the proposed fees.

[15:53] After the protest period ends,

[15:55] they seem to seem to know that it's a public hearing

[15:56] to consider the protest.

[15:58] They may make adjustments to the proposed fees

[16:00] for rich changes.

[16:01] They seem to be back to seeing that the agency

[16:04] perceived what the fees or rich changes

[16:06] they must adopt the resolution or it's deferring

[16:08] to the action taken by the public hearing.

[16:11] And the proposition to a human sure

[16:12] that local governments are transparent and cattle

[16:15] who implement new fees or increasing existing ones.

[16:18] get in proper order to save the decision making process.

[16:22] Sam, where are you, Wayne, Eric, you're, where are you in that process?

[16:26] We're at 30 again.

[16:28] We've got the public area.

[16:32] So, what I'm doing today is we're doing what I'd like to do to the feet.

[16:38] So this is how I would calculate the feet of the right formula.

[16:43] So, before we feed the base of that, so the R-C is a

[16:47] ecology collection element feed, that's what they charge for

[16:49] collection.

[16:50] That's what we're trying to come out, because the trash

[16:52] can transport the landfill, right?

[16:55] There's a disposal element, that's entirely based on the

[16:58] landfill of tipping feed.

[16:59] So, if the landfill tipping feed increases, that automatically

[17:02] increases the ecology's rate, and that's in their

[17:05] contract, right?

[17:08] The end is the cost of previous terms,

[17:12] So, basically, until it's fine, essentially, that $20,000, and we take a cover-and-pain

[17:21] new cost.

[17:22] And it was $15,000 if you would be adjusted to rebuild that $15,000 back at that point

[17:27] next year.

[17:29] All right.

[17:30] To view the cost, the previous door will both get on top of that, the administrative cost,

[17:36] It's a C-depth service, and currently zero, but you get that the plug is in to a negative

[17:42] balance between some raw funds that go across, that would be added to the G. And then the

[17:47] number of rate pairs at the time of calculation. So all that would be divided by that and

[17:51] divided by 40, and totally rate. All right. Do those fees are subject to the increase with 30

[17:58] needs notice? One would be from the CPI, so if we know that would be occurring, then we get 30

[18:02] notice that that we were called as black shell, and the other would be the disposal element

[18:08] feed, which would be the landfill feed increases, we don't find three days, how they

[18:13] would affect their overall rate.

[18:16] The reason for this is that the feeding increases of the landfill, the ecology increases

[18:20] their rate, and we don't have the increase of the collect, the feed, the supply of the

[18:25] It's a negative column.

[18:26] It's correct.

[18:27] What I would have to plan here.

[18:28] So first thing comes is finding a little bit, okay, pick up, there's possibly

[18:32] a little bit of that in the dark.

[18:36] But let's

[18:40] start with example calculation of what each thing would be on an annual basis, that

[18:46] then would calculate.

[18:47] So they'd come up to either 135 or six per quarter.

[18:52] That's just an example.

[18:54] Go ahead.

[19:03] So basically there's a budget that shows

[19:12] that balance was $5,300.

[19:17] Can you just speak a little closer to the mic?

[19:19] Thank you, sorry.

[19:21] Okay, so about $5,000 we're going to know,

[19:23] which was a file for this last year during the day actually.

[19:27] So it goes on exactly after.

[19:28] I actually have a meeting once I pass out to you,

[19:30] that are easier to read.

[19:33] But also on the other side,

[19:34] So I'm going to write there as the planning will pick up reach here, so you can see in 19

[19:38] 20, it's so here, it's 13, about 14,000.

[19:42] 2021 was about 20,000.

[19:44] 21, 22 was with grant funds, through the resource conservation.

[19:50] And that was an independent contractor in the county.

[19:53] It was about $25,000.

[19:56] And then this year, roughly I say that 21,000.

[19:59] That was by the county.

[20:00] So with that, that's great that the average cost of pine needles is about $20,000 a year.

[20:06] But look at that, isn't it?

[20:08] They're right now translates to about $8 per year for a rate pair for pine needles.

[20:17] So again, we're currently adjusting since what we would like to do,

[20:22] the rates of much like poorly based on the number of parcels subject to the fee,

[20:26] the rate would either increase on the increase in the quarterfall of changes in land,

[20:31] So the lack of a supposed to be decreases,

[20:33] the rate would decrease if it increases.

[20:36] That rate would increase.

[20:38] There's a reduced likelihood of a bunch of truck calls.

[20:41] If we do the kind of quarterly adjustment,

[20:43] which would mitigate the need for a P increase

[20:46] is related to that service.

[20:48] On the annual adjustments and run the risk,

[20:51] the rates are only changing what's pretty here.

[20:53] But there's a high risk of a bunch of truck calls

[20:55] that might just take taking a load,

[20:58] potentially in the substantial deembrises for deaf service and or in active service

[21:02] on.

[21:03] Yeah.

[21:03] All right.

[21:07] So one question.

[21:11] Can we go back one?

[21:13] Yes.

[21:13] There is a heightened risk of a budget shortfall.

[21:16] How about overpayment?

[21:20] Is that factor in there?

[21:22] It doesn't cost $20.

[21:24] Which I think is excessively high.

[21:26] How would you get that back to the people that are paying?

[21:30] So it would be back.

[21:32] And that if there was no budget trip all the next year,

[21:34] you could calculate the rate of some people.

[21:36] So tiny was only $5,000.

[21:38] And that year, you would have that rate for the following year,

[21:41] but only the adjusted to repay the $5,000.

[21:45] So it's a credit.

[21:47] It's basically a credit.

[21:51] So it's just ensuring we have enough to cover the credit cost.

[21:54] And then what are the actual cost was that we've

[21:57] battered into the next year's rate to pay back that cost?

[22:04] So what is the rate for right now?

[22:05] So this rate where you would be the minimum rate

[22:08] as of today, if we ran with this formula.

[22:12] So the ecology collection element,

[22:13] element per year, we ate 3,000, possibly,

[22:18] the disposal element, that's the cost of disposal.

[22:20] And I feel before you 1,000, 21,000

[22:24] the previous year's annual collection disposal, so I think making $4.4 cents, the cost of the

[22:31] walk out of $700 is the estimate that she's on the right of runs, so the $65 cents

[22:36] average is that poorly created. And the administrative cost would be $4.63. There's no debt

[22:42] service currently. There's $270 rate payers, so the rate would be $1.3975 or $4

[22:52] .00.

[22:53] Sam, sorry, question.

[22:56] Reconology has nothing to do with the pioneered data.

[23:01] Is that right?

[23:03] So it's county equipment and county employees taking out one of my needs.

[23:09] So it does to the fact that you own one of your company,

[23:11] you know what you do.

[23:14] I'm not an other company.

[23:15] How would the county?

[23:16] You're with the county.

[23:17] Okay.

[23:18] So historically, the pioneered data

[23:22] and we're doing strictly and we're somehow not going to call it.

[23:26] Right, so this year, Rose division did it.

[23:29] So the button date back to Rose part, actually, it was argument,

[23:32] so it wasn't a date back.

[23:33] So we're actually heading to County to pick up our date back.

[23:36] So it was $20,000 this year, but it was covered in my argument.

[23:39] So it did not come out anymore.

[23:43] Hi, Julie.

[23:44] I got a little bit of a stir, but I thought I would use say,

[23:47] 100 to 30 quarterly, and it says 100 to 70 quarterly.

[23:51] No, I just changed the slide, so you go back one more.

[23:56] So that, what is the rate of the day?

[23:59] Okay, all right.

[24:01] In question, maybe I missed this.

[24:05] There's 277 rate pairs.

[24:07] Is that including all homes, or is it included?

[24:11] Or if I could not, like, fade away in the room?

[24:14] It's up vacant land.

[24:15] So seeing any home that has a structure for it,

[24:19] that's not owned by the National Park Service.

[24:23] So this is, they anticipated maximum rate.

[24:26] You're what?

[24:28] I'm Katz's, how is UC for said calculated in this?

[24:33] They didn't know how it is, so they didn't harm me.

[24:36] They didn't know how it is, so they didn't harm me.

[24:37] They don't harm me, so they wouldn't be in there.

[24:39] They wouldn't have to pay.

[24:40] For all seven, six or seven hour bidding homes.

[24:44] Yes, they have.

[24:45] And they aren't paying for each one?

[24:47] Yes.

[24:48] I don't know if you go through the list again.

[24:49] see you see yourself on there.

[24:52] They're not even going to the National Park Service for a few weeks.

[24:57] They are not just the National Park Service for a few weeks.

[25:00] They are not just the National Park Service for a few weeks.

[25:01] But they use our services.

[25:05] The park service depends that they tell them to go to the yard and use it.

[25:11] I don't know if you're wondering, that was their intention, that's when they're conditioned.

[25:15] They tell them now.

[25:17] And you pick up their needles too.

[25:20] Okay.

[25:22] That's something we need to look at too.

[25:24] All right.

[25:26] So the 270 degrees you see is that?

[25:30] Not a throwing natural bark service.

[25:32] Right.

[25:33] Then there's our guidance.

[25:35] The park service has its own agreement.

[25:37] Do they not?

[25:38] It was pre-cology and all the others.

[25:40] For whatever the level of barks I would track see.

[25:43] The park service does their own trash collection.

[25:45] Okay, the concessionaire.

[25:48] So, the technology has a deal with the city of New York Valley.

[25:51] You would get the war on that hotel.

[25:53] That was so hard, I guess.

[25:55] That would be, I think, that's different.

[25:58] So, that brings a part of the community.

[26:01] Okay.

[26:02] Now, also, what's it presented here?

[26:05] It is on the basis of everyone pays the same rate.

[26:10] Okay.

[26:10] There's no special differential between rental and rental or whatever.

[26:16] It's just everybody pays the same rate.

[26:19] Yeah, there's only one right there.

[26:20] It pays the number of rate.

[26:21] And they pay most of fire.

[26:23] That's a sore because they walk that way.

[26:26] For their own use.

[26:27] So they're paying basically for that entire day.

[26:31] It's ever been.

[26:34] So that's actually a few hundred and seventy payers.

[26:39] So this will be the disputed maximum rate.

[26:41] This is based on the maximum increase that we have anticipated for the land, so that's

[26:47] the only cost of change here, about 40,000 in the previous slide here at the L-74,000.

[26:54] The land is at the disposal, but that's a maximum rate, and that will be decided by the board

[27:01] or supervisor.

[27:04] So, given that figure of 170 or 17, based upon the increase in that sort of letter E to 6,

[27:14] 73,000, what's the likelihood of that happening given that you put it out there?

[27:22] During the hearing question.

[27:29] I can't say the likelihood that the need for the increase in the landfill is 100% certain.

[27:39] And that would be the maximum that would be needed by the study if we were to put that,

[27:46] like all the doctors of the study in place.

[27:48] Now, if we presented the board, they designed multiple things.

[27:51] One of those things is that it subsidizes the general fund.

[27:55] It's the way I feel for some people to keep the rate of pressure

[27:59] on the side of that high.

[28:02] But again, these are all very well, so that's why I'm presenting

[28:05] that now that we've pointed out, because if it is that increase,

[28:08] you can see that the specific impact of the fund

[28:12] between this chart for $40 per quarter per entire year.

[28:18] And another question, again, we'll have.

[28:20] How are you determining the administrative costs?

[28:23] So that's an actual average cost per year for a personal service in Maryland, you know,

[28:32] a labor cost.

[28:33] And that's average out.

[28:34] And actually it's fun to have to pay that fee for a couple of years.

[28:38] So these are labor costs for county employees.

[28:41] They're already paid.

[28:43] And you're calculating an additional work on that.

[28:47] And you need to have a labor.

[28:49] Yes.

[28:50] That's all they're paying.

[28:58] Mr. Chairman, go ahead.

[29:02] Well, thank you.

[29:03] Sam, thanks for being here.

[29:05] Just quick question on the ecology disposal element, the administrative cost, that sort of thing.

[29:14] That's the same no matter who's dumping into the landfill, right?

[29:19] It's not just well, won't it?

[29:20] That's county-wide.

[29:21] That's county-wide.

[29:22] If the rate goes up, everybody in the county is paying more for their garbage service.

[29:27] Yes.

[29:28] And everybody in the county pays an administrative fee as part of their rate.

[29:33] Is that a fair statement?

[29:34] It's not the rate.

[29:35] It's not just what won't.

[29:37] Right.

[29:38] Thank you.

[29:38] For those, we'll want us to need to get that the bill is done by the county,

[29:43] whether they're directed by the ecology.

[29:46] But yes, the ecology we've built in there, right?

[29:48] to land over eight with land-to-base for this year.

[29:53] Just about one of those questions.

[29:55] That's good.

[29:56] The same point that was kind of curious about is that...

[30:02] All of them all homes through the county. With this, should pay roughly the city week. We won't differentiate between, you know, we'll want to want to be paying higher fee, say, than somewhere else.

[30:17] a per-volume basis or what a face less than the rest of the count.

[30:24] It does because he goes correctly.

[30:27] So if you live in town and you're opposed to which it's right,

[30:29] it's just a landfill and kind of trash bin,

[30:32] based on the volume of material,

[30:34] and you can place in your trash can if they pick up

[30:36] versus the dumpster, so I want it.

[30:38] You're a quarterly rate, it's higher in town than in the world.

[30:42] Go on.

[30:44] And you just mentioned that ecology builds everybody in county in the county does the

[30:50] loan.

[30:53] So, black and biology.

[30:54] That's the way it set out this to be because there's a unique place in the entire county

[30:58] with owners holding place that we're the county and ministers and contractors to the

[31:02] ecology and builds the residents, rather than direct through the college.

[31:09] Question.

[31:10] Dave Shisco, we're in a truck for a while, but we're not on my side to go.

[31:18] Does it pay a fee in the end, or is it charged by weight?

[31:23] It's charged by weight.

[31:29] And it, I'll reiterate that it's not as low on attraction in the truck.

[31:33] That's right.

[31:34] It's just, yeah, the woman is doing the best, or she's doing the part.

[31:39] So the one more truck could also, when it's weight, and then the weight is based on that weight.

[31:46] The weight is based on the weight.

[31:48] When the technology does it, they do it based on the quality.

[31:51] So the four yard can't hold that much.

[31:54] Okay, so the truck arrives, and we don't know how much it's in that truck.

[32:00] How is it charged?

[32:02] And then you weigh it?

[32:03] Yeah, we weigh it in the length.

[32:05] Okay.

[32:06] So, we have that truck, picks up low on his garbage, and then stops up to the deny and picks up their garbage, and fish camp, and then goes and weighs in.

[32:18] Okay, so your rate is not based on the weight of a wall is trapped, it's based on the body.

[32:26] A lot of average across the board, that doesn't matter where the truck goes, it's picking up where it's in.

[32:32] It's going to average out to be 275 pounds per yard.

[32:37] So, Sam, is it based on the containers that...

[32:41] Yeah, it's based on the containers, so they're for yard containers.

[32:44] That's what we think of for yard containers.

[32:47] Okay, so if containers are not full, let's pick up.

[32:51] Let's see, we've got the wash that's hard difficult in the local container,

[32:56] So there's nothing yet.

[32:58] The garbage, the drug comes and dumps that.

[33:00] We pay to have that dump.

[33:03] Okay, but there's nothing in there.

[33:05] The blood weren't charged.

[33:06] That's why you.

[33:08] The charged, the capacity is about $4.

[33:10] Okay.

[33:13] Let's go.

[33:14] If, just to say, you wanted to say, you want to move on.

[33:17] Please separate only, basically.

[33:18] You're ready to start.

[33:20] You're ready to start only.

[33:21] We want to see what the blood, right?

[33:22] We're thinking of going on a drug.

[33:23] Although I go to land, I go to land.

[33:25] They would charge for the dinosaurs to be,

[33:28] that would cause years, tracers to be safe.

[33:31] Well, we get to be like a shelter

[33:34] where the transducer in the truck and weigh it

[33:38] before you get to go on and when you leave it,

[33:40] you'll want to calculate how much weight you need.

[33:43] I mean, we'll want to work this camp or in the other place.

[33:46] Does she make a stop?

[33:47] If you carry a little outer challenge,

[33:49] if you want to sleep, why don't you do that?

[33:52] Yeah, Dave.

[33:53] This has got, this has been

[33:56] What Jenny does when he hits here with the window bar, which is called the C-O, and the

[34:01] 33, every doctor, to see what's in there.

[34:05] And I don't know if this is all that that holds.

[34:07] So we have some calculating when the structure is going to be full.

[34:12] But when I'm there for the dumpster, that's almost impossible to do.

[34:16] Now, this is what you told me, okay, because when you pull down that bear for the dumpster,

[34:25] you can't see what's in it.

[34:28] You still left the lid.

[34:30] I've done it.

[34:32] I've done it.

[34:33] I've done it.

[34:34] I've done it.

[34:36] I've done it.

[34:39] If we could, remember to identify ourselves each time.

[34:42] That way, because the Secretary's going to be trying to go through the tape and figure

[34:47] out, let's see who's saying what?

[34:49] So, try to remember to identify ourselves each time.

[34:55] Chop.

[34:57] Is it history being going to make sure that it's going to work all over the world?

[35:01] Chop, chop, chop, chop.

[35:06] They calculate how much trash they've all from here, by a garbage, and that garbage is

[35:11] It's a pretty strong at all, doesn't it be a whole bunch of things going to be pouring

[35:15] out of some of those?

[35:16] Yes.

[35:20] Mr. Chairman, do you have a, do you have any, do you have any, do you have any, do you have any

[35:24] any questions earlier?

[35:30] Stevingford, the other question is that that average weight, or volume, to a 75-hour, and

[35:36] then industry center practices periodically, there are capacity surveys done, right, and then

[35:42] the referencing will be included in the rate, right, for that, okay.

[35:45] Mr. Chairman, it's briefly, yeah.

[35:48] And Sam, getting back to what Mr. Cisco was talking about, as you know, and I think he

[35:55] heard this before, some of the bins are extremely difficult to operate, and I don't know

[36:02] what control the county would have over this, but so that we don't have empty bins and

[36:08] overflowing bins that actually function easily, is there a way to assure that

[36:15] ecology is providing bins and maintaining them in a way that everyone no matter

[36:21] age or ability is able to utilize those bins and what if anything is being done

[36:27] to assure you. Thanks.

[36:30] So actually, not right now based on the subject we have, the disease

[36:34] We're still operating in there.

[36:37] We are negotiating you contract and agree with it.

[36:40] But we get a real short term.

[36:42] We can't fully leverage that as much.

[36:44] That's what we put it out in it.

[36:46] And we do so.

[36:47] Or we just decide to have a long term of reality.

[36:50] We're very happy to play as a place.

[36:52] And for instance, we've been there to play just for a day on a day.

[36:55] They will pay a bill.

[36:57] They'll pay like what they did here.

[36:58] Just every day.

[36:59] And then their equipment is not there.

[37:02] So let me ask again.

[37:05] I mean, reasonable shape, and I know that there are bins that I honestly can't get open.

[37:10] If I do, I have to use a lot of leverage.

[37:14] Is there a line? Is there someone that a resident can call and say, hey, this bin is just not working right?

[37:22] So that we can get that address.

[37:25] They come back all the way, or on the board's office, and they'll report it, and I know

[37:31] the new contract.

[37:33] But now we do, I didn't tell where to like the information, tell them to fix it, and I will

[37:38] all love that it's repaired.

[37:40] I don't know.

[37:40] I hate the rain here to get it through, and they didn't do it.

[37:45] Also, if the misadventic up, just fill it with that, you can see all of it for that, and that

[37:54] If I request, what I know is that they just pick up.

[37:57] And that he's losing horse, whether everybody thinks that's what

[37:59] they can't make it.

[38:01] But other than that, they make them.

[38:03] So I'm trying to make it so that they have to maintain the tendons here.

[38:07] Because I've got around a bunch of survey and about issues that

[38:11] did, that they're done.

[38:12] So they're all never prepared to be there.

[38:13] So you can contact them.

[38:15] Fins that didn't have that.

[38:16] So I've got to didn't say pick it up.

[38:18] It's a concern.

[38:19] It's me, on that point there, the fines or the penalties go to the county, or do they go back into our parking in the law or the court?

[38:29] Okay, thank you.

[38:31] I do.

[38:31] This is it.

[38:32] You got your whole question back in.

[38:33] I do.

[38:34] I do.

[38:35] Just for clarification.

[38:37] Is there?

[38:38] I have never seen an effort on it for them, so that when we call in, how can I identify which

[38:48] That's a good point, well, right now I'm just doing my location on the map via zero map within number.

[38:55] So I just don't want anybody to end up doing what needs to be prepared.

[38:58] But yeah, I can request they know those things to my information.

[39:01] Yes, thank you.

[39:04] We can't care.

[39:06] One real easy trick that you can do with those.

[39:10] You can make the ends for the latch comes down and gets stuck.

[39:15] We always carry this food or whatever.

[39:17] The easier way is when you go to the latch tab,

[39:21] just leave that fully part of the latch open

[39:25] and move to the handle.

[39:29] And then it doesn't get jammed.

[39:36] I carefully will get a little easier.

[39:40] I know on my street on these screws,

[39:43] There's a bit, and it's slightly forward towards the flaps in the center.

[39:50] So what happens is there's a lot of obvious units right there.

[39:56] So you put it in and it falls to the front, and before the thing I'm going to guess is

[40:01] even half full, you can't open that lid because it's just kind of enough right there.

[40:06] It's jamming a lid and you can't even open it, and I'm just wondering if there's any

[40:12] And maybe there should be some thought as to the openings on the top to be there should be one on each side or three percent of each side.

[40:23] And then they even tilt it back a little or at least level, but not in an orientation or conflict.

[40:31] I don't know.

[40:34] It's all the same.

[40:35] And

[40:41] there are any other questions?

[40:44] No, question.

[40:45] Well, I miss the facility.

[40:47] You can sit in the faucet if you sit in the faucet and get set.

[40:51] That's built into the feed.

[40:53] The whole feed.

[40:54] Yeah.

[40:54] That's the water center here.

[40:56] Four of them.

[40:58] Okay.

[41:00] And the other, just like comment on, I know that we're getting to the, yeah.

[41:06] in the area of the E to that section,

[41:09] but for something turning a lot of the vendors

[41:13] produce more of the garbage.

[41:16] I don't know if that's true enough.

[41:19] Christianies, is there a way that the county

[41:23] could have a fee for renters that would offset that extra garbage

[41:30] so that the county is very good at collecting taxes?

[41:33] How often can see factors and factors on everything, has that been considered at all?

[41:40] Is that even legal to do that?

[41:48] Turn one off. Turn that one off too.

[41:54] I'm three can be on it at a time.

[41:57] So that was looking to, it's not legal.

[42:01] It's not being, unfortunately, the term is exactly what the term is.

[42:04] So we have to determine that from every home.

[42:08] So get a very basic name because you get the alcohol service, those names are available

[42:14] by everybody in the community, so everybody can you name it?

[42:18] And then to clarify one, tomorrow itself, I'm name, when you say that the annual increase of

[42:24] the base of CPI, if your costs are less than the CPI, very increased left, is that taking

[42:34] account, or is that installed? It's going to be CPI.

[42:38] That is pharmacologists contract that they have CPI increase.

[42:42] It's service CPI was at the same and how it worked.

[42:46] It's a federal...

[42:47] It's a federal CPI, but actually I'm not going to fill in the mind exactly in this.

[42:52] I understand that, but if the oncology causes less than CPI,

[42:56] we still won't increase it by the CPI.

[43:00] Your oncology won't increase, there's why the CPI.

[43:02] that I'm consistently over here by the effects of counteractors.

[43:08] And they will use for the county labor, they'll just see counteractors.

[43:13] I have a speed for measures on the objectives, I'll say that extra garbage,

[43:20] so that the car is very critical in taxes.

[43:24] Now, I don't think that the taxes are ready to pay.

[43:28] And that's been considered all that the music could do.

[43:37] Sorry, sorry.

[43:40] Turn it off.

[43:42] Turn it off too.

[43:43] All they want out of any time.

[43:44] The way can be on it a time.

[43:58] I looked at the blue thread.

[44:01] The blue thread, the blue thread, the blue thread, the blue thread.

[44:03] Or the first thread.

[44:05] That's why I only looked at houses on the blue thread.

[44:07] or it would have been that good.

[44:10] And so, put up the modules, there's 11 rounds to the sheet.

[44:16] I talked about this sheet here.

[44:19] There's 11 rounds.

[44:20] And there's three, three, five, all set.

[44:22] He's about one and three are the redness now.

[44:25] And I'm going to keep chasing him.

[44:26] And I see more of that figure get ready to be around.

[44:29] So I'm going to turn this off.

[44:31] So this gets both down on the end of the track.

[44:33] I'm going to get some of the next presentation.

[44:37] And so there's not much you can tell if they're looking at the outside of the ground.

[44:42] But I tried it.

[44:43] I got five, three, two, three, two, three, and one.

[44:45] And I walked around and looked at everyone.

[44:46] He's had this.

[44:48] And this is what I saw.

[44:51] Well, let's do it at the first column here.

[44:53] What's the number of the bedrooms?

[44:54] I got that on the website.

[44:56] I went to each room.

[44:57] I went to the website.

[44:58] Got that.

[44:58] And then I went to the guest's lobby.

[45:00] And so, the average number of beds that looks like 2.1, this is a point in the right direction here. There's a third line in down here. And then the number of average number of guests involved is seven, which means about three guests are involved for bed room. That seems pretty intense to me, that tells them. So the word here is intensity. It's an intensive use of these formal houses, probably more intense than the average house.

[45:28] The second thing I like to do is I couldn't tell how many people are in the cabin 530 in the morning.

[45:36] I could bring the doorbell and see how much we got on the street.

[45:39] But I didn't want to do that.

[45:42] But I just want to go down the number of cars from now.

[45:45] And also because you know, it's sort of about the lighting area.

[45:50] There's a big difference between the city and the city, between the number of lights,

[45:53] of lentils to be on a shiny and then gave it to what it was, and then the copper

[46:00] you understood. And so while we have here, the number of cars parked for site was

[46:04] 1.3 average of cars per site on the bedless. And on the plan, once it's 1.4 cars per site

[46:12] on the average. So that means it's a decoration, you get 3.3, which is 3 times more cars parked

[46:19] on a telephone and a provider, private one, private one.

[46:24] And so, Sam says, what you have to be able to measure exactly

[46:28] if you talk about politicians, you do not need to wait for some time.

[46:32] But it's a measure I believe how much more emphasis that Kevin has been

[46:37] used than why he kept just the number of cars, the number of cars.

[46:40] And that's done all the time.

[46:42] Google votes were, the government cases are in the country,

[46:46] by the number of people that are doing building code.

[46:48] that counties know where the COVID cases are by testing the source system for bacteria

[46:52] with COVID-19.

[46:53] So there are indirect ways of doing measurements and I believe the problem is just to

[46:59] 18 implies that you can do that with the COVID-19 development.

[47:03] So the take the way here on this first page is that I think you see all of the tabellate

[47:09] number of whites and all of the checkpoints here in the foxes.

[47:12] And you're worried about 23 private homes.

[47:15] You're worried no, if I'm still in the light setting,

[47:18] if you've got time in the morning,

[47:19] at all, I'm sure you're like,

[47:21] trying to stand on the phone.

[47:22] And that's because they have to pay the electric bill.

[47:25] The renters get into a house,

[47:27] they don't know what the switch is,

[47:28] they don't know what switches do watch,

[47:29] and they want to find out what you're afraid of.

[47:32] But they're lit up, you can see different bodies.

[47:34] There's 1.5 over the electric bill.

[47:36] I know how we're directing lights, the renters.

[47:40] So, and then thing I'd like to see, since the community on this, this doesn't have you in trash.

[47:46] It has a different representation.

[47:48] I'm glad you wrote that up in your presentation.

[47:52] I knew what these 11 runs.

[47:54] I knew every order, most of them, a lot of them, they built their tab.

[47:58] And I've been here for years.

[47:59] I knew every corner original.

[48:01] Now, the only ones I know are the two that still are original,

[48:04] or as a voters, for instance, in C-SIL, around the, I can't just put this thing in,

[48:11] but they are, I can't put them in. And the others act right to me. I don't know.

[48:16] And I looked at their addresses, I went to talk to the tax owners, and asked them one of the

[48:20] addresses these, on the others, and none of them had the account.

[48:27] I think that summarizes

[48:28] what I want to say about that. I take the trashbergs, all of them speak the same,

[48:32] that the government doesn't raise the rates.

[48:34] Think all of us be in the safe as there is to be more and more

[48:37] chest ERs here, there's to be more and more trash.

[48:41] And the private vendors and the ones in the fair of the curb of that.

[48:48] Because they're getting the same rate, five months later,

[48:52] then the private ones will be paid more and more,

[48:55] because it's the more trash for the house.

[48:59] And this is the first part of the climate policy that we're going to talk about.

[49:03] And since I'm already standing, I know you guys are the experts on this.

[49:08] I'm really wanted to say, I appreciate what you've done.

[49:12] I mean, it's a huge shot, I can't even imagine how much work you put into the trash.

[49:15] And you're the experts, and I'm just an amateur.

[49:18] But as I never heard of opposition to 18 before, you're not just the last time you mentioned it again today,

[49:24] and how it had to be directly made.

[49:26] And so I set up a lot of study and a lot of things that came to mind that I've done for

[49:34] Timing to us are one is the amount of the heat cannot exceed the cost of the government, provide the service.

[49:42] That's fine.

[49:43] It says, and there's definitely, this is a proposition now, they always leave a lot of stuff and take it.

[49:49] These are the Y-1A, the Y-1A, and the different Y-1A.

[49:54] By another screw.

[49:56] Some analysts say that feeds that very by low service, like I talked about,

[50:03] like different grade from RMS.

[50:05] Right, right, on.

[50:07] Should I be considered a property related to keeping

[50:09] because it is based on service, service, use,

[50:13] rather than proper ownership.

[50:15] And that's why we're talking about service, usage,

[50:19] Well, probably the problem, just like a business, this tax, in some ways different.

[50:24] I don't know if I don't even have the right to do that.

[50:28] And the other thing that it said, excuse me, Chuck.

[50:31] I've just had a question, I'm trying to go back on.

[50:35] I'm sort of my memory on this.

[50:38] If we go into it, I think I'll start to go first.

[50:41] But when the county came to a community talking about the county,

[50:46] You know, let's try to keep me under the bus and like this.

[50:51] The first thing I had to do was figure out,

[50:53] OK, what's the average cost to everybody?

[50:56] And that's what we're seeing here, I think, today.

[50:59] And then if I recall right, the next step,

[51:02] that was a year or not, so it was good.

[51:04] That was a bad idea.

[51:05] Don't go ahead, OK, or just correct me if I'm wrong.

[51:09] But part of your plan, the county's plan included,

[51:13] then going to the next step and trying

[51:15] and figure out a more equitable way of allocating the fees

[51:19] that would come in a whole out of the one.

[51:21] Is that correct?

[51:22] Is that the subject of the future study of what we

[51:28] did?

[51:29] It's hard to short-term reals and direct rest ends.

[51:33] Again, there's no way to determine that the portionality.

[51:38] Correctly related to how much trash it would use.

[51:41] How could we be able to prove?

[51:42] Yes, this person produces three-dimensional trash,

[51:45] this person, this would cause us to, you didn't drive trash by each individual property.

[51:52] That's the only way we can do it.

[51:54] I ran through something that you said about square footage of the house.

[51:58] Could it be based on that bigger house?

[51:59] That is more trash.

[52:01] Now that's a survey, right?

[52:03] And what about how much capacity there is in the short-term real?

[52:07] I mean, did people decrease less trash than one person?

[52:10] You know, just to be able to people with their right, right?

[52:14] So, that's very difficult to quantify specifically, yes, they produce this much more.

[52:21] A short term Reynolds have the argument, we're empty most of the minute.

[52:24] That's sort of quite a pulse, but they're right.

[52:28] But then they have to get to that area, so then based on how long you're there.

[52:33] So, you have a place here in your own spirit.

[52:35] Three weeks a year, so you want you to take three weeks unfortunately.

[52:38] to give you as in the burden of various lives here full-time.

[52:42] If you're only paying for the three weeks in somebody else's paying for the whole year,

[52:46] they're paying $5,000 a year for trash services and we have to pay $20.

[52:51] So, you agree with saying that you come along with an insoluble goal.

[52:55] They come along.

[52:56] And let's go to independent trash services.

[52:58] Rolls are carried out in the morning.

[53:01] And trash, that was a big setup.

[53:03] There was no way to do that.

[53:04] I didn't know that you would know that I would show up to earn only three trash cans.

[53:08] It's going to take you back as much.

[53:09] But how soon is one trash can?

[53:13] So you did.

[53:14] So that portion of the study.

[53:16] Yeah.

[53:16] You did.

[53:17] That's right.

[53:17] Right.

[53:18] Right.

[53:21] And for what it's worth.

[53:31] We have been having conversations in your

[53:33] committee west about the need to raise rates for water and sewer services.

[53:39] We haven't raised them for about 11 years and we need to cover costs.

[53:46] We have been working with a firm that provides guidance on how to set rates over a five or

[54:03] And there was a resident there who wanted very much to have a different fee for short-term rentals on the presumption a higher rate for short-term rentals in the firm.

[54:18] the Analyst at Vartowels Associates said basically you can't do it unless you can demonstrate

[54:24] that the cost associated with providing service to that short-term rental is more than or

[54:34] short-term rentals generally is more than for residents when the short-term rentals are

[54:40] interspersed as they are here throughout the community. The answer was you can't do it. It's not

[54:46] legally defensible. And, once again, you can demonstrate on some basis, like Sam was suggesting

[54:51] for the trash, that there's a clear difference that means that they are producing more

[55:04] trash in this context, using more water in the Yosemite West context.

[55:09] Mr. Chairman, if I may, a couple of questions, based upon the presentation number one,

[55:20] did I understand you to say that County Council has weighed in and has determined that

[55:25] property rate team would prevent this type of move of case cases?

[55:30] You mean a tiered rate scale?

[55:32] Yes, and secondly, if I understood you, the rates that are being paid in the water based on the number of bins,

[55:41] not which house is using what trash, the percentage is that the proliferation of short-drilled rentals is causing a bigger

[55:54] Number one, other properties.

[55:57] But the question is, there's no rates.

[56:00] Our calculator based upon a number of bins

[56:03] has the number of bins gone up significantly,

[56:08] say in the last five years, with the increase

[56:10] in short-term rentals, the last four years.

[56:15] Sam, so to the point is this,

[56:18] if we're being charged based on the number of bins,

[56:22] But the number of bins haven't changed, the impact of short-term rentals is not really

[56:29] measurable and isn't that correct?

[56:33] Yes, correct.

[56:34] So, two of those years were COVID years, but there was probably a lot of Europeans used.

[56:39] Fair point, how about years before, last four years, how about the last eight years,

[56:46] have the number of bins been increased?

[56:52] So, again, we're being charged as a community based upon the number of bins that

[56:57] ecology has to service.

[57:00] There's very important issues here with people who are not satisfied about the rate

[57:06] structure.

[57:07] We understand the Prop 2 18 issue, but since we're paying by the bin, it might be nice to know

[57:13] If the perceived or actual increase in short-term rents has caused a proliferation of bends in the community to have to be picked up because then that may be calculated.

[57:28] It was also a bit of a shawl.

[57:31] It was also a bit of a shawl home.

[57:32] It was also a bit of a shawl home, built up.

[57:34] Right, yeah.

[57:37] Mike Kent Lake, the fact is there's been a rental homes here for all longer than just 10 years

[57:43] and the fact that the bins aren't full typically in my estimation when they get picked up.

[57:50] The reserves in the full capacity of bins that wouldn't be necessary.

[57:54] If there was an higher rate of garbage generation, and I believe partially used short-term rents.

[58:03] So, you know, you've got a good point that you could try to measure it like that,

[58:07] but I'm not sure that that's going to hit more.

[58:12] But the last thing I was going to read just says that no private owner stage should be greater than proportion.

[58:19] the portion costs, you know, by the property related service.

[58:23] Like assessments, this requirement may be told to look over there, but

[58:26] sitting in property related B rates on a block by block for personal

[58:30] like personal cases.

[58:32] So, like the other, the reason you're sitting here can't put this

[58:34] tissue condition is happening.

[58:37] But, is there something, actually, might a statistically,

[58:39] or something, statistically, that somewhere, to justify

[58:43] this, by sitting at every trial, for example, on the car park,

[58:46] There's one, and you can say it's not a very good measure, but it is not a good measure.

[58:51] Is there anyone here, if you read your hand, if you think the CRS do not generate more traction, right?

[58:59] It's almost upon average.

[59:00] Does anybody believe that?

[59:02] Should I prove that we have a question?

[59:07] Turn off on the chair.

[59:08] Can you determine, like, thanks?

[59:10] I think the point of view is a renderer.

[59:17] I'm saying, OK, I'm saying, I have the O.T.

[59:21] That is a theme to my state, which is considerably more than the theme here.

[59:29] So therefore, you should maybe put the county in terms of the ghost and general fund.

[59:35] Who doesn't have that point?

[59:38] And it's like, in the property of who's running, I would say, yeah, we're collecting

[59:45] the great deal of money from TOLT, we're on sales tax for collecting.

[59:51] You've got so many issues to address, you can't.

[59:54] That way you can.

[59:55] Yeah, there are four statements.

[59:58] So, we need to turn that one off.

[1:00:00] If you're going to speak to them, there's a jump again. So there are four state problems here. You know, there's the private problems. And they mostly get cheered. There's a cheered piece there. You don't need to put these dishes on that. Okay. And there's the cabinet owner. He gets to play a line of money. There's the rally agency there for money. The county gets to 30 and a half percent. And as myself, why is the one that's getting all the payment have to get more paying than the other people are making all of my money?

[1:00:32] I think we may need to move on.

[1:00:36] I mean, I also could have been like an additional part at Intermittals.

[1:00:43] So I think I'll pay for that.

[1:00:44] Let me give those other questions.

[1:00:47] At the end of this session, the presentation we're being asked

[1:00:51] to decide whether to recommend that the county proceed

[1:00:54] would be a reading increase for more. That's we would have asked that last

[1:00:59] last last October. I think it was. And we said, yeah, they're probably, they need to get

[1:01:06] more of them to get in. But how do we do it? And then you came back in this is what we're

[1:01:10] especially right now. Maybe that discussion we have will be transitioning back to the

[1:01:24] I think we have the expert on solid waste management in Northland County here, and he's,

[1:01:34] I think, responded to your questions about what, what, what information exists with respect

[1:01:42] to trash disposal variation as a function of different circumstances.

[1:01:48] So, I think we've gone as far as Sam correct me if I'm wrong as he can go on that front.

[1:01:55] The other questions that you're raising are really linkal in nature.

[1:02:00] And I'm not sure what you've discussed with County Council, but I know that in our water

[1:02:08] and sewer districts and for a rate increase that is a bit further out for road maintenance,

[1:02:16] We'll be working with outside council and an expert affirmed that it is expert in working through the 2018 process.

[1:02:27] And as I said, with respect to what I mentioned about your semity west,

[1:02:33] we can try, we can ask a lot of questions similar to what you've raised.

[1:02:38] But I can only tell you what the Yosimity West experience was, but we don't have an

[1:02:45] expert in the room on the two 18 process.

[1:02:49] So I think we can talk about it for some length of time, whatever suits the committee.

[1:02:58] But we won't be able to come to a final answer until we run it by an expert in this particular

[1:03:04] subject area.

[1:03:05] But just make short comment if I may end up with one.

[1:03:08] And then I just got a little bit more energy on you.

[1:03:14] Is there kind of a way to approach it like this?

[1:03:16] Slip in increments to the top, because in the end of the trench,

[1:03:19] exactly as there's some other approach that you can use outside of just the trench.

[1:03:25] You cannot complete without the trench.

[1:03:26] We will roll.

[1:03:27] This is the allocation of the trench.

[1:03:30] Let's see if we can get that.

[1:03:30] So I'm not opposed to saying,

[1:03:32] what he guessed today, except that we have to roll a note because

[1:03:35] that they don't believe in the homophage.

[1:03:37] So there's some other way that they're trying to approach it, do you get an estimate of

[1:03:44] the non-ease trash and charge for your program?

[1:03:48] As maybe before you answer that, I had to say, that's what it sounds like everybody's saying.

[1:03:54] They don't feel comfortable with the allocation and they feel that the people that have a

[1:04:00] a more, could maybe the committee get together and specifically ask a particular question for

[1:04:09] you to take counsel and say, here's our question. Is there a legal way that I'm not sure

[1:04:16] how we want to refer to a phrase that the TOT people can be charged for an additional fee

[1:04:24] for their garbage and let's get a legal opinion on it?

[1:04:27] I'm much more comfortable with that, and maybe you can vote, or make a motion that is contingent

[1:04:35] on the answer to that question, but unless Richard, who's the only JD, I know in this room,

[1:04:43] reports to have expertise on the two 18 process. I think we could spend a lot of time talking about it

[1:04:49] get no water.

[1:04:51] Can I show you the real life?

[1:04:53] Let me talk again.

[1:04:54] Sure.

[1:04:56] The whole private notice, I hear lots of complaints from them.

[1:04:59] I can be in a circle.

[1:05:00] But I won't.

[1:05:02] They can be all that they're all here for a month and a year.

[1:05:04] And they're paying the same amount as the people that are here for a year.

[1:05:08] For example.

[1:05:09] And I say, it's an inequity.

[1:05:12] But you can cut the rest of the 11 months that you want.

[1:05:14] And you have that choice.

[1:05:15] And you have that service available for you.

[1:05:17] So they do have a choice, but they use a calendar month or a month, that's hard, but they

[1:05:21] don't have a choice, who their neighbor is going to be, but it's going to be STR, not really,

[1:05:26] they don't have their families down the street.

[1:05:29] So they're already feeling discriminated against in the sense.

[1:05:33] And this just has one more discrimination.

[1:05:36] I understand.

[1:05:37] Okay.

[1:05:38] I will...

[1:05:40] I think I understand the question.

[1:05:42] And as you stated it, and as I said, we explored it in the Yosemite Bus context.

[1:05:48] We can certainly explore it in the Bobona context, without side experts.

[1:05:55] And I'll leave it there because I can't give you any answer right now.

[1:06:01] Thank you.

[1:06:07] I have just been answered in the chat.

[1:06:10] You can have more data on the cabin and all the way.

[1:06:12] You can have more data on the page.

[1:06:13] It's part of each 12 months of the year.

[1:06:15] My second question of point is, is the non-turist

[1:06:20] load-turist season are the same number of youngsters picked up

[1:06:25] between.

[1:06:28] Yes?

[1:06:31] Yes.

[1:06:31] Because most of them at that point are not very full.

[1:06:36] Is there a way to schedule something?

[1:06:40] Do you want schedule for very much your load-turist season?

[1:06:43] If you want to downsize the number of dusters, you want to do it again.

[1:06:48] You want to downsize the number of dusters?

[1:06:50] I mean, good.

[1:06:50] You've got tons of weed.

[1:06:52] No, the number of pig dusts.

[1:06:54] First of all, a lot of the dusters that don't have to do so.

[1:06:57] I mean, in a lot of the world wants to hear that we don't generate a lot of trash.

[1:07:02] And those are the winter months when there's no skin.

[1:07:06] And there's no reason to be here because it's cold.

[1:07:08] So we don't generate a lot of trash.

[1:07:11] If we went to pick up once a week, that would change the cost.

[1:07:19] I will proceed.

[1:07:22] I will go back and ask for another report.

[1:07:24] I hope that they will renew a bit.

[1:07:28] Follow on at 5 minutes and send Wayne Herriger to take sort of details with

[1:07:34] that Cisco's observation.

[1:07:36] But whatever the result is here, maybe we get a count of dumpsters, put that in, the

[1:07:47] end result, the count of dumpsters, and as a member of the audience mentioned, we were

[1:07:55] suggested that the dumpsters be numbered, so we can talk back throughout the year, especially

[1:08:05] If we get into this winter service,

[1:08:09] bought accurately, buy y'all stir to y'all stir to y'all stir.

[1:08:14] So, let's play with it now.

[1:08:17] Can they be numbered in?

[1:08:19] Yes, I will.

[1:08:20] Well, added cost by the economy.

[1:08:24] If they deliver a bit, that's easy.

[1:08:28] Mike and I, Mike, help me.

[1:08:32] Thank you for taking the time to do this that if you did.

[1:08:37] And your realization of appreciation that.

[1:08:40] That was it.

[1:08:42] Since we can record a short, we can't see the hands.

[1:08:46] I did ask the question.

[1:08:47] Did anybody feel that STRs do not share a contract?

[1:08:52] I didn't see me answer like that together.

[1:09:00] We are going to take a moment on what the presentation

[1:09:04] that the county and in the agenda because that's sort of pulled on that check. So that's not a vote of that.

[1:09:12] I'm just just doing a bold.

[1:09:13] This item's actually not an action item. The way it's written on the agenda is you guys can give recommendations.

[1:09:19] Correct.

[1:09:20] So it's usually not a vote. It's just the majority of your core out.

[1:09:23] That's that's what I mean, but the civil rights are going to be looking for, okay, what's the sense of the committee on this issue?

[1:09:30] So that would be our recommendation, whatever we could, what would be voting on would be a recommendation.

[1:09:37] And unless the similar thing you wanted to devote based on to not what the agenda said.

[1:09:44] It's again not a vote, at least a majority of you would have to agree on the same recommendation to public awareness.

[1:09:53] That's understood.

[1:09:55] And this is what happens.

[1:09:57] You can keep us on.

[1:09:58] Keep us on us.

[1:10:02] There are really more questions for the county on the side.

[1:10:09] Thank you for that.

[1:10:10] Thank you.

[1:10:11] I'm sorry.

[1:10:11] Can you go through the next steps and timeline,

[1:10:22] at least what you would like to see?

[1:10:24] So, with the recommendation, and we go to the board to the D-Shift and Procure team process,

[1:10:31] then there will be a public hearing and we'll want to again, for the community that we started

[1:10:36] at the process of providing the election going out, and then they have the right to protest,

[1:10:41] and they protest, and it wasn't the protest time to complete those protests we counted,

[1:10:46] and then the result is the truth. There's not a majority of protests that we go back to the board

[1:10:50] to prove the rates.

[1:11:01] That's what I see on the table kind of at the same time when it's just come to the table.

[1:11:08] Is one does the county, does the county need more money for the county?

[1:11:14] I think that's one question, okay, and I think that's pretty fair.

[1:11:23] The next point then is, as moving forward and how to figure out how this rate and fee should be allocated,

[1:11:33] I think Ed had set up a recommendation that the supervisor would go back to the board and the county council,

[1:11:42] And say, is there any way, or is there a way where you can accomplish different rates, okay, and a different rate for short-term rules?

[1:11:55] Is there a way, is that legal to do that?

[1:11:58] And I think that's what I think our supervisor felt comfortable, she could take to the board.

[1:12:04] So that I would see those two issues as kind of maybe coming together.

[1:12:09] The

[1:12:14] correct way was you can recommend that we received with this based on the answer.

[1:12:19] So, the carried capital came back and said, there is no way to do that we would receive.

[1:12:23] The carried capital said, there is a way we'd start again with how we would allocate.

[1:12:26] We had to go back and start from the very beginning or just look at this particular component of that.

[1:12:31] Well, we'd have to determine how to allocate.

[1:12:34] But you're communicating against the same against the fixed of the fixed number.

[1:12:39] You're allocating against a calculated number.

[1:12:43] But if we say okay, go ahead and yes, generate a higher rate in the speed and pay the day.

[1:12:53] But then beyond that, okay, we've got to look at a way how we can modify the collection of those.

[1:13:00] I think it would be wise to get the sense of the community first.

[1:13:03] How they go about the allocation before we proceed with the duty team process.

[1:13:06] I said we'll totally go.

[1:13:08] And I think, I see your hand ed, what I would say is that what I think what Sam was talking

[1:13:18] about is, if Council comes back and says, yes, you can't, there is a way, then Sam is

[1:13:28] going to have to figure out what is the difference that would result from that other approach

[1:13:35] And how do you allocate that equitably, then, across the two,

[1:13:40] or call groups of solid waste customers?

[1:13:48] Is it in my correct, Sam?

[1:13:51] Yeah.

[1:13:51] I agree.

[1:13:52] I think if you come back without that answer being made, you're quite

[1:13:58] possibly will be not a rejection.

[1:14:01] I think you come back with that answer.

[1:14:03] then you'll get probably approval from the most of the people here.

[1:14:09] I mean that's a big sticking point with most of the people here in the county.

[1:14:18] So we'd say that's the recommendation that you've received with this court.

[1:14:22] No, we're just we're still gathering our thoughts on how best through our recommendation.

[1:14:28] I'm just going to play that. That's why you're saying that we can proceed if County Council says.

[1:14:34] So we want to start to a new process. County Council says there is no way the regulations are going to go ahead.

[1:14:39] We hope you have the new and start to a new process.

[1:14:46] We don't go ahead.

[1:14:50] There's a question here.

[1:15:00] We're going to go ahead and go ahead and figure out if they could help in some way. If you want them to come back for discussion here, or just welcome that, would you agree to accept what it is?

[1:15:11] We can just, if you're saying, that's the tricky part of what we're doing, because if we make a motion to be recognized, and it comes back, and they go to council.

[1:15:24] and a county council said, it can be done, but it has to be done this way.

[1:15:30] You know, we as a community, we not like the way that affects us.

[1:15:35] I don't know that by default, you want to actually go with whatever happens out of it.

[1:15:41] So I think you have to come back and say, what's your recommendation on what we do?

[1:15:48] I don't know if you want me to go.

[1:15:51] But I wanted

[1:15:53] to go with the way that the council

[1:15:56] is that suggested it can be, you know,

[1:16:00] maybe a district, you know, a district of the courtroom.

[1:16:03] So that's kind of, that's kind of it.

[1:16:07] They need guidance on that part of it.

[1:16:10] But I think the answer would be,

[1:16:12] they'd have to come back and give us a choice.

[1:16:15] That's my guide.

[1:16:17] That's second advice to my body

[1:16:19] do this survey every morning, five, 30 per month, again, a nice good average.

[1:16:24] No, that helps come up with an energy.

[1:16:26] This can't just happen.

[1:16:28] Yeah, so I have to respond.

[1:16:29] I hear about charging after for this.

[1:16:33] I know that two agencies know that you can't do it.

[1:16:37] The county can't do it.

[1:16:39] But can the renters, the renter, the renter, the renter, the renter, the renter,

[1:16:43] and the patient, so you can take the kick under, you can make that a dollar and a dollar

[1:16:50] and whatever to be rented. They collected, like I don't know what the money could go through,

[1:16:57] the counting and directing to a college. Is that the kind of fee they've earned?

[1:17:05] I don't know that. So, for your kind of thing,

[1:17:08] that the rail agency wanted to stay on our business side here in the community.

[1:17:13] We can maybe talk in into adding a dollar.

[1:17:15] Well, like Christians say, well, you know, let you read this, there's a dollar,

[1:17:22] I don't know the amount. A dollar and that extra little charge, you collect it,

[1:17:27] and we go to a college.

[1:17:28] Are you saying it'd be voluntary or it'd be mandatory?

[1:17:31] It's mandatory.

[1:17:33] But it's not going through the county, so it's going directly through a college,

[1:17:36] So it's not a two-in-pinage.

[1:17:39] Why would it go this hard?

[1:17:41] Or I don't know, but if I was somebody who would

[1:17:43] offset the cost of art experience.

[1:17:46] At the Redwood wouldn't be with Roger Solner.

[1:17:50] The Redwood wouldn't be providing the service.

[1:17:53] So how would it make things that out?

[1:17:55] Wait a minute.

[1:17:56] I'm sorry.

[1:17:59] So you didn't be already helpful.

[1:18:00] You might refuse that we're adding on to all of our innovations

[1:18:06] You know, you see it, you know, another few four dollars, so we can't do it really, but I mean, I don't think it should be done that way either, because we don't provide the service, we should collect it for all of that, I don't think so.

[1:18:24] So, I mean, is it my order? Is it legal and that we don't? I just have to what you deserve?

[1:18:31] Yeah, so I think we can add that at question in to the, I think we know what Christians position is,

[1:18:40] but we can ask the theoretical question if it were possible, is it possible?

[1:18:47] And if it is, how would it be administered?

[1:18:51] Because then, I mean, what you're putting on Christian in this case is it's an additional dollar per home.

[1:18:59] And then he's got to get the money to somebody who then gets it to ecology.

[1:19:07] You know, we'd have to work through all of that.

[1:19:10] So I think that's a conversation that we need to have offline.

[1:19:15] But I guess what, you know, and it'll be part of the conversation that we have with County Council.

[1:19:20] But I think what, if I understood Sam correctly, the next step would be, is it to go to the board and then hold a public hearing?

[1:19:39] So then, and then there's a public hearing, and so at that point, we can lay it all out.

[1:19:48] Potentially we could even have County Council away,

[1:19:52] Collea, and I don't know if you could be able to come physically,

[1:19:55] depends on where we hold the, and bring in an outside expert.

[1:19:59] So I think what I would like to suggest is that we acknowledge that there are severe reservations

[1:20:08] about and across the board, rate increase, that Sam and I will go back and we'll talk

[1:20:15] with County Council almost certainly consult with outside Council and then we'll move forward

[1:20:25] either way, the only difference is dictated by what, by the response that we get from the

[1:20:33] attorneys in terms of the information that we present. So it'll either be, it is not

[1:20:38] legally possible or what is legally possible is the following. And Sam would be able to

[1:20:46] back it up with any solid waste related technical knowledge.

[1:20:50] But meanwhile, we'd be recommending the increase in the fee.

[1:20:56] No, you're recommending that we proceed with the process.

[1:21:00] It's okay.

[1:21:01] Contention on having information available at the public hearing that definitively lays out whether it's possible or not.

[1:21:13] And if it is possible, how that could work.

[1:21:22] Similarly, we basically close the discussion, bring it back to the committee, and then the committee have the same role discussion, you just have, and we go on that.

[1:21:36] We go on that.

[1:21:37] You don't vote.

[1:21:38] It's by consensus.

[1:21:40] I think it's what?

[1:21:40] I would just...

[1:21:41] I would just...

[1:21:46] Notting heads or thumbs up is usually what the Board gives me.

[1:21:51] So, as long as there is more than the majority of you that are signifying yes, that's your direction and that's the direction of your committee.

[1:22:03] In the Board of Supervisors, what she's talking about is we have a discussion and direction item and essentially that's what this is.

[1:22:11] The board will talk about something and at the end of that conversation, they'll either be

[1:22:17] three plus heads nodding. Yes, let's do that or they'll be three heads plus saying no,

[1:22:23] I'm not going to do that. And that becomes the direction to stop. So that's what we're asking for here.

[1:22:29] Are recommendations that you the consensus what you just laid out. Yeah.

[1:22:39] Yeah.

[1:22:40] of the subjects. Sorry David.

[1:22:43] And because you give advice to the County Board of Supervisors, I would like you to give

[1:22:50] the County Board of Supervisors.

[1:22:52] So the guys, the new pickup be paid for by the county, and the large down.

[1:23:01] The large item pickup be paid for by the county.

[1:23:04] Since county equipment, I need to use to pick up the needles and county employees are used to do that.

[1:23:15] There should be no charge to law enforcement.

[1:23:20] For the 20,000 and 7,000 dollars should be taken out of the contract.

[1:23:30] So, they're welcome to give whatever recommendation they choose.

[1:23:36] what I will tell you is that if we take that to county council, he will immediately say you

[1:23:43] can't do that. And it gets back to... Wait, wait, wait, wait. We can't do that.

[1:23:48] We can't do that. We can't do that.

[1:23:48] We can't do that.

[1:23:49] Well, no, you can make a recommendation. But if we take that recommendation to county council,

[1:23:55] he will say that is not legally possible. And the reason is because it gets into an area

[1:24:02] that I only know the margins of, you may know better than I do, but it's the concept

[1:24:08] of the gift of public funds.

[1:24:11] So it would be similar to me saying the same that I want you to come out to my property

[1:24:19] and remove my material at no cost to me.

[1:24:25] The answer is that the money that pays for his salary, whatever equipment he has to

[1:24:31] to do that, it has to be shared, equitably, across all of the residents of Marcosa County.

[1:24:39] He can't do something specifically for me.

[1:24:43] I understand what the county is going to say to us.

[1:24:48] But the board, the soup of Roger Sheets, understand there's a feeling here about that.

[1:24:53] And how do they get the feeling from this board that you don't think we should pay for anything?

[1:25:01] Well, they can certainly include that in the recommendation, but what I can tell you is that it will not move forward on that basis.

[1:25:11] But I think this is an opportunity for this committee to take a standard on something and maybe we ought to hold on.

[1:25:22] You can't vote on this one.

[1:25:25] Can't vote on this one.

[1:25:27] You can't vote on something that's not a gender issue.

[1:25:31] I'm fine.

[1:25:33] I'm fine.

[1:25:38] I'm fine.

[1:25:39] My character again.

[1:25:41] Also David had recommended this impossible

[1:25:43] of cost saving medical research

[1:25:45] for returning lowly-to-season

[1:25:49] for perhaps approaching

[1:25:51] You recall, as you didn't see, there would be a cost reduction.

[1:25:56] You could have not come up all the way in.

[1:25:58] Now, I agree.

[1:26:01] And do we want to consider that and your budget or is that just, I mean, I realize

[1:26:06] this point I think we are going to say, say, something to say, we need to take my income out of

[1:26:10] We're going to have to come take away and then we turn, that's going to cost you more.

[1:26:15] So I don't know if they want to consider this much enough for you, actually.

[1:26:25] It seems to me that if you want to give yourself a material to you, it's going to be a question

[1:26:33] as to the nature of you and to what you use to punish the people.

[1:26:41] Why are you shoving this and where this is my job?

[1:26:49] I don't have rental property, but if I had rental property, I'd be saying I'm connecting this,

[1:26:58] it affects my potential to rent, and so to pay certain things, and it could be binding,

[1:27:07] it could be garbage, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[1:27:12] I don't think I understand your question, Roger.

[1:27:15] And what's that's the same conversation we had at the last meeting?

[1:27:18] Yeah, I'm saying if you have over the question of the T.O.T.

[1:27:24] Corrected by the county.

[1:27:27] What authority does it have to use those funds?

[1:27:30] Where else does one be you?

[1:27:33] And those funds are paid specifically by a reddish.

[1:27:37] And reddish can treat you more garbage expense

[1:27:40] than the county should allocate money there.

[1:27:43] And we think else that the renters increase down the expenses, then that's where DOT should go proportionally.

[1:27:56] I'm not an expert on tax costs in California.

[1:28:01] And I asked you that.

[1:28:03] Mark is so.

[1:28:04] So two of the T-Tax is basically hotel tax.

[1:28:08] And one of the concepts is that hotels increase services

[1:28:12] in the community.

[1:28:13] And these garbage, these the robes, these utilities,

[1:28:16] and everything.

[1:28:18] So part of the reason is T-T will offset

[1:28:21] the extra expense that tourists

[1:28:24] will visit first and then receive the hotel

[1:28:27] of generous.

[1:28:29] So what I think we're saying is that the TOT tax is that the county gets pretty much goes into the general front of the correct.

[1:28:39] Yes, 100% doesn't go into any specific.

[1:28:42] But the county can allocate that general front choose specific expenses that the county doesn't have.

[1:28:52] Or I'm not sure how you guys do.

[1:28:54] But what I think a lot of things in that is that there is an increase in usage of garbage or extensive in the world because of the increase in the tourists that are renting.

[1:29:11] They're paying a T-O-T-X that is increasing the cost of the loans and all that stuff.

[1:29:19] That should come back, maybe, to the one that else that exists.

[1:29:25] Okay, I understand that argument, it's a conversation that I've had with some frequency in

[1:29:31] facility west and for rest and some of the other districts here in the district or communities

[1:29:39] and district.

[1:29:40] Pretty long.

[1:29:40] Presidents, in this case, it's a additional dollar per whole house.

[1:29:47] He's got to get the money to somebody, and what it says to the ecology, you know, we have

[1:29:55] to work through all of that.

[1:29:57] So I think that's a conversation that...

[1:30:00] We need to have it has lines, but I guess it's part of the conversation, or it's because it can't necessarily share.

[1:30:07] But I think my order is what, if I understood Samire, can I fire that benefit everyone? And so those are the roads. Those are the types of allocations that are made from the general fund.

[1:30:28] and they benefit all residents of America's county.

[1:30:32] We cannot, and I can't cite specific provisions in statute

[1:30:38] if we need those, I can get them.

[1:30:41] But I guess one, it's an empty part of the conversation.

[1:30:45] We're just going to get some things to share.

[1:30:46] They think I understood Samire can we fire that benefit everyone?

[1:30:57] And so those are the types of allocations that are made from the general fund and they benefit all

[1:31:09] all the resistance in the North Pole's encounter.

[1:31:11] It's our same, we're cannot, and I can't,

[1:31:15] I'm sorry, I'm specific, provisions in statute,

[1:31:18] if we don't, don't, so I can get down.

[1:31:20] This way, excuse me, I'm the police,

[1:31:23] and I'm trying to get this, but you're not,

[1:31:26] I think I'm the police.

[1:31:29] And I'm the police.

[1:31:30] And I'm the police.

[1:31:32] I'm the police.

[1:31:34] I'm the police.

[1:31:35] I'm the police.

[1:31:36] Okay, so those are those, those, those are the types of applications that are made from junk, fun, everything, everything.

[1:33:03] Actually I am so sorry for that you guys just let me know.

[1:33:11] I confident that you will see what the hell would happen if I finish up the game first.

[1:33:36] Married one.

[1:33:36] Yeah it's not gonna work!

[1:33:37] I'm sorry for that.

[1:33:38] It's not gonna work.

[1:33:39] The first time you translate?

[1:38:39] I've said it in the sound.

[1:38:40] Thanks for having a hard time.

[1:45:00] As the clerk of the board, I'm the keeper of Telling Records. And so I happened to come across that line after he has said he said he didn't know I'd take it. But I talked to his grandmother, Rachel, and then his ex, who was doing it on the building.

[1:45:14] There's still a lot of time.

[1:45:18] There's still a lot of time.

[1:45:20] There's still a lot.

[1:45:20] Take the card number, something.

[1:45:22] Let's get some notes.

[1:45:24] Grandpa, Grandpa has to wait a couple years ago.

[1:45:27] Harold's nine.

[1:45:28] But he's wife.

[1:45:29] Rachel, Tom, she's alive.

[1:45:32] So I know.

[1:45:33] The stole those she was kind of.

[1:45:36] Found her.

[1:45:37] I'll call her.

[1:45:38] I'll call her.

[1:45:39] I'll call her.

[1:45:41] I'll call her.

[1:45:43] I'll call her.

[1:45:43] all of our records, and that'd be nice to have anything with this video, I guess we can

[1:45:48] play it in some kind of system. I just like going to be talking about water in both of them.

[1:45:53] And some of the records are packed. I'm going to write to you on the idea of the IDL, so I'm going

[1:45:59] to be a person to that discussion.

[1:46:01] Yes, and I know the Grandpa Harold's on the water rights for one time, and they used to build

[1:46:06] for water and a lot of them.

[1:46:09] So what's your job together?

[1:46:11] So I'm not gonna play for the board.

[1:46:13] Is this a special tech keyboard?

[1:46:16] I did keep keeping doing this so I keep it close.

[1:46:19] So I started off with the code reporter type?

[1:46:23] No, no, no, no.

[1:46:26] Did you do the minutes for those?

[1:46:27] The speedy network, right?

[1:46:29] So I was saying whoever did it,

[1:46:31] who told me, really wanted to put down a title here in here.

[1:46:34] Of course.

[1:46:36] The tape recorder over here probably here in the second one.

[1:46:38] I said I'll be there.

[1:46:40] So.

[1:46:40] So, this is a great job.

[1:46:42] Yes, well, I didn't do the minute to last time.

[1:46:44] I'm just doing them because I'm here today.

[1:46:47] I do them.

[1:46:48] The support is supervisors minutes.

[1:46:50] And I helped with the agenda.

[1:46:53] And she...

[1:46:53] You do it.

[1:46:54] And we'll work.

[1:46:55] You piece of paper.

[1:46:56] I do it in real work.

[1:46:58] Yeah.

[1:46:59] And then I go back in.

[1:47:01] And then I keep on with notes.

[1:47:02] And then I take them down to what's perfect.

[1:47:04] So, what's your target tree?

[1:47:06] I don't know.

[1:47:07] Probably pretty good.

[1:47:10] It's very hard to do that.

[1:47:13] It's a child's lesson.

[1:47:15] It's a child.

[1:47:16] You don't have time to come back or fix time to save because it's still dark.

[1:47:20] Yeah, well, that's kind of what we did.

[1:47:23] But actually, the room in it's not necessarily life.

[1:47:26] Right.

[1:47:27] For me now.

[1:47:29] But that's what helped me.

[1:47:31] I've been reported.

[1:47:32] I'm having it available.

[1:47:34] I'm having it.

[1:47:36] Yeah.

[1:47:37] Yeah.

[1:47:38] World of Consciousness.

[1:47:41] This is an outstair hard to explore.

[1:47:43] This is my land, more than the whole world is a nice place.

[1:47:45] Oh really?

[1:47:46] We're in a very familiar house.

[1:47:49] So they are mine here.

[1:47:51] Thank you.

[1:47:53] Yeah.

[1:47:54] I am so.

[1:47:56] My husband is here.

[1:47:58] I'm sure he's right.

[1:47:59] Okay.

[1:48:00] I'm sure he's right.

[1:48:02] I'm sure he's right.

[1:48:04] Yeah.

[1:48:04] I know.

[1:48:05] Our family's really like most of us are really sad that they sold the rental house here

[1:48:11] So like what my husband and I we have a son he's too and my sister in law she's got three kids and so all all in Bob's friend

[1:48:21] You know grandkids and we wish we still have some of that

[1:48:24] To bring our kids to the feet

[1:48:27] Oh, really

[1:48:35] We were in one time, and all of them were in the other cell.

[1:48:40] Yeah.

[1:48:41] Yeah.

[1:48:42] I know we at Christ's...

[1:48:43] ...my husband's here.

[1:48:44] Christ's a she'll come up and rent the house sometimes...

[1:48:47] ...to bring her son up here.

[1:48:49] Just so they're still there.

[1:48:50] We're at eight.

[1:48:51] No, they'll take...

[1:48:52] ...try to rent the house.

[1:48:53] That used to be so bad.

[1:48:54] He's a grandpa here.

[1:48:56] I don't know that.

[1:48:58] Yeah, but they will rent it.

[1:49:00] Yeah.

[1:49:00] They sold it up years ago.

[1:49:05] The one that I'm going to need to do is make a difference.

[1:49:09] We have it in a different place.

[1:49:10] Yeah. There's a manual, a ramp down here.

[1:49:14] There was a car from the 90's to the top.

[1:49:17] There is a car from the 90's to the center.

[1:49:22] I'm not sure if I can see the house.

[1:49:24] I don't even know.

[1:49:26] Yeah, I'm not sure if you could,

[1:49:27] It was an army sexual violence, but we brought it in two parts.

[1:49:35] Okay.

[1:49:35] From the military, from the States, and also in the hospital, in the hospital, in the hospital.

[1:49:42] Next, the regional hospital.

[1:49:44] Yeah.

[1:49:44] It was also an army sexual war.

[1:49:46] We're all going to need that we had to go into the war.

[1:49:50] And that's where the fire was.

[1:49:53] I guess you're still in the church.

[1:49:54] And that can be two different restaurants.

[1:49:58] We'll talk to you tonight.

[1:49:59] And tonight.

[1:50:02] We'll be in the church.

[1:50:04] I guess we're still in the church.

[1:50:06] Hey, yeah.

[1:50:07] There you go.

[1:50:09] That was one of the hard ones for my heart.

[1:50:13] That was the stone.

[1:50:14] That was the stone.

[1:50:16] So we did with that.

[1:50:18] Good morning.

[1:50:23] Okay.

[1:50:26] The hotel is currently there.

[1:50:28] Watch out.

[1:50:29] Watch out.

[1:50:30] I have a couple of the guys.

[1:50:32] I know.

[1:50:33] I know that.

[1:50:36] You know that?

[1:50:38] You know it's really good.

[1:50:39] It's really good.

[1:50:40] I know.

[1:50:42] Mom.

[1:50:43] Did you just call me right now?

[1:50:45] I didn't.

[1:50:46] I meant to turn.

[1:50:46] It's a small piece of cake.

[1:50:49] I've got it.

[1:50:50] I might just not take it.

[1:50:52] Is that the microphone's going to open for this?

[1:50:55] Is there a problem?

[1:50:55] I'm having trouble hearing some of the streets.

[1:50:58] I think there's a lot of people people.

[1:51:01] There's no.

[1:51:03] There's no.

[1:51:04] There's no.

[1:51:04] There's a lot of people who don't know.

[1:51:07] There's a lot of people.

[1:51:09] There's a lot of people.

[1:51:10] There's a lot of people.

[1:51:11] Are you Roger?

[1:51:11] Yeah.

[1:51:12] But you can't.

[1:51:15] And he's the big ol' candidate.

[1:51:22] All right, it's about 10 minutes until 9 minutes before 11.

[1:51:27] So we're resume the meeting of a warm-town plan advisory committee.

[1:51:32] Now, the next item on the agenda is the E2 presentation.

[1:51:42] It's a presentation from Mayor Full-Second County's

[1:51:45] study or short-term rentals in the county from Ben and Groger, Ben Groger housing development

[1:51:52] specialists.

[1:51:53] That must be you, Ben.

[1:51:55] It's now.

[1:51:56] And Groger.

[1:51:57] Briefly, as I mentioned, some of the folks in the audience were having trouble hearing

[1:52:01] members of the committee.

[1:52:04] And back.

[1:52:05] So remember, two things that are important.

[1:52:08] One, mention your name when you get up and speak that way, the Secretary can pick up the

[1:52:14] adults. And then, too, use your best command voice, so I'll speak loud enough so people can hear it

[1:52:21] around you. And when you're good at that, so you can give instruction. Okay, maybe.

[1:52:27] Yeah. Is it better that we have questions? We're not close to question.

[1:52:31] Wait a minute. You know, that is a good point. I think, typically, it's best to wait for the

[1:52:38] That's the presentation.

[1:52:39] That's the presenter to give to the entire presentation.

[1:52:43] And then make comments that have taken down

[1:52:46] as if comments come to mind.

[1:52:49] But then we'll deal with that later.

[1:52:52] Thank you.

[1:52:53] Nice.

[1:52:54] Good to meet you.

[1:52:55] Yeah, and thank you all.

[1:52:56] I appreciate the opportunity to be here today.

[1:52:58] And kind of talk a little bit about Mariposa County

[1:53:01] short-term rental study that we've been conducting.

[1:53:04] First of all, I want to get a little background

[1:53:07] on this group. We did some community outreach in the library in June. I know a few of you

[1:53:14] attended, but come out of hands with people there. It seems to me as an okay, like, one year.

[1:53:20] Yeah, things are okay. Well that's good, but it sounds like there's a lot of you who also

[1:53:25] weren't there. And so some of this might be new to you. Just a quick question. How many of you

[1:53:31] were able to participate in the short-term rental community survey? Good more. That's good.

[1:53:36] All right, happy to hear that.

[1:53:38] We did have quite a few people from Alona participating in that.

[1:53:42] We appreciate your respect.

[1:53:44] A little background on myself.

[1:53:47] So I'm Ben Gogor in the Maritosa County Housing Community Development Specialist.

[1:53:51] I work in Maritosa County Administration.

[1:53:54] And I do mostly special projects related to housing and legacy planning.

[1:53:59] I think it's like that capital improvement projects.

[1:54:01] But before that, I worked for the Park Service for 19 years.

[1:54:04] I was really happy to hear the dumpster conversation.

[1:54:08] I ran a matter district maintenance operations, so I ran to Holy Menos, and the North

[1:54:13] Time, the Parks for all our years, and I had to also get those dumpsters out there.

[1:54:17] Yes, trash does pile up behind them, and it's a hassle.

[1:54:21] I also worked as an Historic Preservation Institute for the Parks for four years, and spent

[1:54:25] a lot of time right in your guys' community here, working on paying your history center

[1:54:30] in the hotel part of there.

[1:54:32] So, good to be here today.

[1:54:33] And happy to run through the short-term rental study.

[1:54:38] A little background of how this study came to be,

[1:54:42] this was an item that has been directed by the Board of Supervisors

[1:54:45] for many years, basically, for us to address short-term rentals,

[1:54:49] monitor them, see if we can qualify any impacts,

[1:54:54] particularly related to affordable housing and workforce housing,

[1:54:58] and then come up with mitigation to those impacts.

[1:55:02] those are found to be true. So it's something that had been brought up to the board since 2014,

[1:55:11] and we just didn't get around to it. The recent increase in the short-term rental industry worldwide,

[1:55:18] as well in our community and the market prices that are associated with that broader board of

[1:55:23] us here to the point where they wanted to look at it more thoroughly, staff prepared, some really good

[1:55:29] market analysis, and the board actually directed staff to look into a potential moratorium

[1:55:37] on issuing short-term vacation rental transit occupancy certificates.

[1:55:42] That was something we looked at in October of this year.

[1:55:45] It was never wrapped before the board, essentially some voting technologies or nits

[1:55:57] The American Reinvestment Recovery Act money to begin this set up to the point where if you wanted to look at it more thoroughly, staff prepared for a good market analysis and

[1:56:11] the board actually directed.

[1:56:13] We staffed it into a part of the Division of Mortuary.

[1:56:16] We should ensure a treatment of the patient's role in transparency and policies to take this.

[1:56:21] That was something we looked at in October of this year.

[1:56:24] There was never ready for the board.

[1:56:27] The social health.

[1:56:29] Our dealing with short-term rentals.

[1:56:31] So we're working closely with them for economic analysis.

[1:56:35] And then the county is taking on the community impact analysis ourselves

[1:56:40] that are trying to contract out too much work, keep it in-house.

[1:56:45] In your packet that you receive, you actually receive two different slide decks, essentially.

[1:56:54] One was a slide deck from the economic analysis.

[1:56:57] The other is the short-term rental survey results.

[1:57:02] If I went through all these slides, we would be here for a long time.

[1:57:07] each one of these presentations is long.

[1:57:10] So I'm going to skip over the economic analysis of that,

[1:57:15] trusting that you have the ability to review those in your packet,

[1:57:19] touch on a couple of the high points of that economic analysis,

[1:57:22] and then if people want to have our questions,

[1:57:26] or want to get further into it, we can discuss that.

[1:57:29] We did have that analysis presented at the library in June,

[1:57:34] and we picked up a bunch of questions from Walona folks and that was really good, but kind of the main points behind the economic analysis of the short-term rental industry within the county in general is that it is an important part of tourist accommodations.

[1:57:51] It makes up over a third of our bet count of tourist accommodations.

[1:57:57] We can help this of that trusting that you have the ability to review those in your packet,

[1:58:04] touch on a couple of the high points of that economic analysis, and then people who are not to have,

[1:58:10] our applications are going to get all the branches down, we can discuss that.

[1:58:14] We did have that analysis presented at the library in June, and we picked up a bunch of questions

[1:58:21] from the low and the fair to say that that's really good.

[1:58:25] But kind of the main point is the anti-exconomic analysis of the short-term rental

[1:58:30] industry within a county in general, because it is a sort of part of tourist accommodation.

[1:58:36] It makes up over a third of our bedcounter of tourist accommodations.

[1:58:43] This is going to happen.

[1:58:45] Trusting that you have the ability to review those in your packet, it's actually going to

[1:58:51] in L.C.C. and then we're going to put those arms together.

[1:58:56] There are a couple of shoes from making all the arrangements together to discuss that.

[1:58:59] We did as much as an emphasis presented at the library in June.

[2:00:05] So that

[2:11:13] was

[2:12:09] interesting to see people looking for solutions through some type of bespoke regulation.

[2:12:22] And the majority of folks really just support some type of short-term rental policy, and most of them is just a limit.

[2:12:32] A lot of people out there really do want to, I don't want to call it a knee jerk reaction, but they see this as an issue for the community and issue for their availability to purchase a home

[2:12:50] they would just like to have it stop or put the brakes on it,

[2:12:58] we're getting beaten up here.

[2:13:02] So yeah, so that's good to know because that's a large portion of the population that

[2:13:06] does feel that way and we want to hear them.

[2:13:09] Next slide please Steve.

[2:13:14] So we looked a little bit at the folks that responded, we could break it into these different

[2:13:20] groups, teachers, scientific, technical, park service employees, healthcare professionals,

[2:13:25] career professionals, retired individuals and emergency services.

[2:13:32] We heard a lot from these different groups, and we can just run through a few things

[2:13:36] that they said, or if you've looked at your board packet there and there, Steve, if you

[2:13:40] can forward that, we can look at a few things, but this goes back to working class middle-class

[2:13:48] individuals are really struggling essentially and they're looking for housing solutions and they

[2:13:55] identify torture and rentals as as impeding their housing solutions so we can read through

[2:14:04] our methods and there's they have things to say and we listen and Steve you can probably just

[2:14:10] kind of flip through these next few ones here it's in the packet and we can keep flipping through

[2:14:17] keep the control. I miss I miss I'm a slide in here. I did a little breakout if I

[2:14:24] won't want it for you guys but maybe go to the next one and see if the seat

[2:14:29] pops up. All right now am I didn't get included? But essentially we looked at

[2:14:37] we'll bone out here a little bit to see what is the community feeling about

[2:14:41] So the terminal is here out of the 144 people that is found there, from Urbana towards

[2:14:48] short-term rentals, and about two-thirds of them were short-term rental operators or

[2:14:55] own homes that they short-term rent, and they would like to.

[2:15:00] Continue doing that. And about one-third of them were non-owners. For the most part, those were people who were teachers, firefighters, some retired individuals, and they were, they would like to have some type of regulation, so to true criminal opinion.

[2:15:22] So as we move forward with this process, what we're at right now is we've pretty much concluded our community input session.

[2:15:29] section of the study, and we are still definitely garnering public comments and if there's great ideas from

[2:15:39] experience individuals like you all in over and here. We're happy to pull those in as we're moving forward

[2:15:47] but we will be coming back around with the actual draft document, probably in mid-Optober

[2:15:54] And we will circulate that through the community before it goes to the Board of Supervisors.

[2:16:00] So it's not one of those things where it comes out on a Thursday and it's a big huge study in the board needs to make a decision on it.

[2:16:08] It comes out of Thursday and it needs to be decision on Tuesday.

[2:16:12] We've tried to have a lot of community input through this whole process and we want to continue that all the way to the end.

[2:16:19] So, scam by for that, if you have or not on our emailing list right now, we have a huge emailing list that we are circulating up in this project.

[2:16:32] If you're not on that, please come see me if you'd like to be updated or include you on the list so that you can be notified earlier than later.

[2:16:40] And then we'll also have it to notify through social media at various different communities.

[2:16:47] All right, and with that, give it back to you, chair.

[2:16:52] And you put the out of the back hand.

[2:16:53] I have a question.

[2:16:55] Hi.

[2:16:56] Roger someone out.

[2:16:58] I want to assume you don't want to discourage the best in construction.

[2:17:04] And I suspect that they don't fire what you want to write in the 70th question.

[2:17:18] I have an empty lock here in my room

[2:17:24] and I have to decide whether to build it or not, I could be discouraged depending on the taxes that said to me, so I assume that I look at the moment as a very unique area, different from the rest of the county.

[2:17:40] And as I think you pointed out, and forward, is looking in different areas of, I know,

[2:17:46] which is right.

[2:17:48] Because I would think you would want to encourage to build out the blocks here, which may

[2:17:55] have an impact on fewer lots being bent back to the county for rentals, many other

[2:18:12] to perhaps purchase lots within the county and build and land there that would help some of your problems.

[2:18:23] Now, I was hoping with contractors who are expressed their concern because they've lost some of their people couldn't find a place to live.

[2:18:33] and move to a way, obviously, in a way, the whole situation,

[2:18:39] that goes to the back of the counties in some way.

[2:18:44] So it's somehow you can encourage more healthy, somehow

[2:18:48] support that, and encourage popular users

[2:18:53] to now hopefully, that help.

[2:18:55] There's no solution, I understand.

[2:18:58] But to discourage investment, that's

[2:19:02] You have to keep it in the presence, you know.

[2:19:07] Yeah, locally, in the nation,

[2:19:11] this is skit, all of them are so high.

[2:19:14] They're building the best food for the retirement,

[2:19:17] but whatever, that will help.

[2:19:22] That's all for you.

[2:19:23] Thank you, Chair.

[2:19:25] Yeah, finally.

[2:19:27] Ben, thanks so much.

[2:19:28] Again, for being here.

[2:19:29] It's always a pleasure to hear from you.

[2:19:31] And obviously, this is a very interesting and critical issue

[2:19:35] to the town.

[2:19:37] Can you just update us and maybe I missed it in the presentation?

[2:19:41] But can you update us on what discussions

[2:19:44] or progress is being made with the park service,

[2:19:47] with respect to creating a solution that

[2:19:52] would create affordable housing for the many, many people

[2:19:55] who need it, who are working, either in the park

[2:20:00] We're supporting the part in the gateway community.

[2:20:04] Thank you.

[2:20:06] Yeah, thank you for bringing that up.

[2:20:08] The park service, I should note that one of the main themes that we heard when we

[2:20:14] talked to the community was the park service.

[2:20:16] And actually Steve, if you can go back one slide.

[2:20:20] And I did glaze over this as a matter of fact.

[2:20:25] One of the main themes that we heard is,

[2:20:28] any city national park be more involved in housing solutions.

[2:20:33] These committees critical to the community,

[2:20:35] NPS employees and community members are looking to them for housing solutions.

[2:20:40] So they are looking to the park service.

[2:20:43] So we work very closely with the park service.

[2:20:48] I'm trying to address these different challenges they have.

[2:20:52] And it's complex because they are behoven to a whole slew of federal federal law essentially

[2:21:00] that governs direct regulation, governs housing.

[2:21:05] So in January of this year, we ended up publishing the integrated mobility and housing strategies

[2:21:11] study document.

[2:21:13] That's a document that the Park Service worked with with Mariposa County, Mariposa County

[2:21:19] was the primary project manager on that.

[2:21:22] But we have been looking to identify housing sites,

[2:21:27] strategies, combined they can potentially become a solution

[2:21:31] if the right policy is in place to support the correct type

[2:21:36] of financing mechanism.

[2:21:37] It's very complex.

[2:21:39] But just to let you know what actual policy,

[2:21:43] so the conversation's happening.

[2:21:46] And on multiple scales and on five rare poses is so intimately involved in that.

[2:21:52] Currently there is a piece of federal legislation that has gone through the House of

[2:21:59] Committee,

[2:22:02] the one that works at this is owned, that's right, I don't know the exact one.

[2:22:06] It's called the Logic and it's going to end up essentially making for a little bit more

[2:22:11] flexibility for the Park Service to be able to enter agreements with other partners to do housing.

[2:22:19] So we're interested in having those policy tools in place that hopefully will help us build

[2:22:26] up the financing and relationships to come from the project on the ground.

[2:22:30] So let me just follow up for a quick.

[2:22:33] So that's great news that the discussion is happening and maybe progress is being made

[2:22:37] But as politically as you can state it, how are you in the county feeling about the

[2:22:43] collaboration in terms of whether it would be ultimately impactful in a positive way

[2:22:49] in the future?

[2:22:51] I'm feeling good about it right now.

[2:22:53] I'm really in.

[2:22:56] I work with the Park Service for a long time.

[2:22:58] I know the organization and we all have our issues in life.

[2:23:03] But I feel like, well, housing and is a priority for them at this time.

[2:23:10] And how that's manifest is to be determined.

[2:23:17] But I can tell you that there's another housing partnership that's being started right now as well

[2:23:23] to look at solutions and that they have been at the table.

[2:23:26] So, people, she didn't know.

[2:23:32] No.

[2:23:33] Not your soul, you're hiding.

[2:23:34] Not sure, and there's no.

[2:23:37] But you've got to best start increasing the net.

[2:23:41] And then the 200,000,000 lofts, the curtain.

[2:23:46] No doubt.

[2:23:47] No doubt.

[2:23:50] Just for clarification.

[2:23:51] 200 lots here in the.

[2:23:55] No, no.

[2:24:03] These are unponsor.

[2:24:04] I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[2:24:05] I'm sorry.

[2:24:35] So, I'm going to share a current in your successful character in two million.

[2:24:43] And are we different, quite a different person?

[2:24:51] I'll work backwards to this.

[2:24:54] Everyone is a little bit different.

[2:24:57] Everybody has their own painting area, some of their own sub-culture.

[2:25:03] So everybody, all these different communities are slightly different.

[2:25:06] I think we want us very different than you said in the West.

[2:25:09] We're very different than first.

[2:25:10] Yet, all our bedroom communities, too.

[2:25:14] But I'll have their own unique history.

[2:25:18] I have been on site in all these communities

[2:25:21] as a person that's lived here in my whole life,

[2:25:24] but in 40 years, and had friends have been integrated.

[2:25:29] And through those years, I've watched

[2:25:30] those communities grow in change.

[2:25:33] And so I can say honestly yes I have it here they're all different and I would like to make sure that each

[2:25:41] the ADD is represented in our study and our problems.

[2:25:45] So essentially specializing in housing if you have any thoughts about fresh metrics.

[2:25:52] Please, please, please, please, please.

[2:25:54] is it happening?

[2:25:55] Yeah, this is maybe more good.

[2:25:57] Should I tell you turning it?

[2:25:58] Actually, this is probably more first of the minute.

[2:26:03] It's a county haven't been able to come to prioritize it.

[2:26:06] Businesses like this, the RIS, the RIS, the RIS, the RIS, the RIS, the RIS, the RIS,

[2:26:10] and the RIS, some people have been driving the RIS.

[2:26:12] Let's make them all as TRs because we've got a lot more on that.

[2:26:16] How do you first of all, it's a thing, is there need a mandate that they believe?

[2:26:21] because it just, the supervisor is on the stage once, once, once, once.

[2:26:27] Yeah, I can do that.

[2:26:28] I don't know if you can.

[2:26:29] It's just, it's just, it's kind of fascinating.

[2:26:32] Yeah.

[2:26:33] I mean, that's right.

[2:26:34] We don't have a mandate.

[2:26:36] We don't have any internal policy or any external policy for that matter.

[2:26:43] We've talked, this is my 93 on the Board of Supervisors.

[2:26:47] And in the time that I've been there, we need to have watch the growing number of STRs.

[2:26:55] And the question has always been, what are the implications for the larger community?

[2:27:00] Some of it, each of us, here is very personally, right?

[2:27:05] So, you call me, if you say the folks next door, we can wait too much, you know, I suggest that we can answer this.

[2:27:11] And I think you did that, but people do.

[2:27:17] And we hear from folks, I'll be very honest,

[2:27:21] in the community.

[2:27:22] I have several close friends who are on vacation rentals.

[2:27:27] Who are not what I'm called, substantial wealthy folks.

[2:27:35] And so what they'll tell me is, this is my retirement.

[2:27:39] I have no 401k.

[2:27:40] I have maybe a pension, but I do, it's not a hefty one, so this is how I, this is what I need to do in order to live out the rest of my life.

[2:27:53] And then at the other end, you've got significant poverty management from, so I'd like to read what it's interested in some pointers.

[2:28:00] So, long story short, the study itself is to help us as a community, as a larger community,

[2:28:12] as individual communities, and more particularly, the Board of Supervisors come to some

[2:28:18] sort of conclusion about what policy or policy makes sense to guide us on going forward

[2:28:27] So we're not there, but hopefully with this study and further conversation, we can get to it.

[2:28:35] I noticed this year's was only, actually, that's the same.

[2:28:39] It's only been two of the group that stayed up on the building.

[2:28:43] Both of them had them.

[2:28:45] But in this year, we had several sites on the other side there.

[2:28:50] And all of a sudden, they got it covered.

[2:28:51] And the voters, they currently didn't in the place.

[2:28:55] I don't think they did.

[2:28:55] The county did, I suspect, the county did.

[2:28:57] They did.

[2:28:58] They right off the count.

[2:28:59] And then on the free, free spreading side,

[2:29:04] they're up to the North.

[2:29:05] All of a sudden, the county and the team,

[2:29:07] low side, the same.

[2:29:08] That was just to be on their driveway.

[2:29:11] And I think, okay, you know.

[2:29:14] It helps us.

[2:29:15] The rest of us is on the same.

[2:29:17] But you have to become an STR in order to get those benefits.

[2:29:20] So, right, there's a program that's there.

[2:29:23] No, no.

[2:29:25] So, let me just give you a 30-second interview here.

[2:29:29] So, sometimes I don't know exactly when,

[2:29:32] but I want to say it was in the sixties or seventies.

[2:29:35] The county put together a list that's called the post-bile book,

[2:29:41] and there are five hundred and sixty miles of county main tape

[2:29:46] and if you look at the post-mile book, which is, it looks as old as it is, it identifies

[2:29:55] is the specific distance on each road forward.

[2:30:00] So the county is responsible. And some of them are, they don't make much sense. Like I have a constituent over and impines, there's a road called crystal air or bribe. And it's 0.31,

[2:30:18] whatever that is, however you say that, that portion of the file for which the county is responsible.

[2:30:24] So, whether you're an individual property owner who is in a vise of property or a short

[2:30:32] term rental concept and vise of property on that 0.31, I guess, tens of a mile, or it

[2:30:41] doesn't matter.

[2:30:42] We are responsible for that portion of the road and we are not responsible for anything

[2:30:46] beyond it.

[2:30:47] We've got a specific feeling to the public,

[2:30:51] since I went there to find a couple

[2:30:54] of questions you mentioned in your slides, and I'll see you later.

[2:30:58] There's ways of eliminating it, but it's going to be some of the current needs to take

[2:31:02] a call, and then they have a based on an area that are per second, so if you tell us

[2:31:08] how that works, do you have it?

[2:31:11] I don't know.

[2:31:12] I don't know.

[2:31:13] I don't know.

[2:31:15] to be, I think, a third of the public in the, you know,

[2:31:19] you know, a meeting call.

[2:31:20] It's a help of the perceived, uh.

[2:31:23] Yeah, so great question.

[2:31:26] Um, so many communities have set the limit.

[2:31:31] The county wide, city wide, jurisdiction wide.

[2:31:35] Um, a number of children.

[2:31:36] It's that can, that can be whatever.

[2:31:39] You can set it as a percentage, or as a certain number.

[2:31:43] to be more specific in that number.

[2:31:47] A lot of communities have looked at specific planning areas,

[2:31:52] the geographical boundaries of a specific planning area,

[2:31:56] that has a set of governing codes behind it,

[2:32:00] then that certain number could be written into those different areas.

[2:32:05] For example, I've been talking to the Inno County Assistant CAO,

[2:32:10] And they have an assessment area throughout their county based on actually on cannabis production and they've like kind of all that.

[2:32:20] And so they're using that as the different areas that can have a certain amount of digital alternatives.

[2:32:26] So something like that was going to happen in Maraposa.

[2:32:30] We would look at the Wild Wona Planning Area and probably some U.S. Planning Area and look at the specific sublands.

[2:32:39] don't think we could look at Cune Haller, I don't think if we could get that granular, it needs to be a

[2:32:45] governing plan that's extremely, so when your file report comes out, are you going to make recommendations for certain areas like that?

[2:32:54] Or is it up to that area to call you some of those things?

[2:32:58] We really need you guys.

[2:33:00] We are going to have a suite of recommendations that probably won't be quite that granular.

[2:33:06] We most likely will break out these communities that are close to the society, they are a little bit different.

[2:33:15] But we'll come up with a whole set of recommendations that then the Board of Supervisors can direct staff to pursue.

[2:33:26] So we're not writing specific ordinance language into the study, but we are having basically the background for the Board of New England

[2:33:35] in the envelope and we'll move based on there.

[2:33:42] Yeah, back in the very back, I think.

[2:33:46] Hi, guys.

[2:33:46] I want to thank you for all the time, guys.

[2:33:51] This is some hydraulic kit.

[2:33:53] And I'm sure I'm a bit biased for you.

[2:33:56] I'm just too big for you.

[2:34:00] Thank you very much.

[2:34:02] Thank you very much.

[2:34:02] I'm sure I look good when I sit on it.

[2:34:05] It's 20-20, 30-20 blocks.

[2:34:08] There are a couple of them.

[2:34:10] And today we're going to take a quick

[2:34:11] thing forward.

[2:34:12] Foundation for our launch.

[2:34:15] So it's going to be forward.

[2:34:17] So we're in a possible sort of, we need to make

[2:34:19] an decision about crossing over two, which is we

[2:34:23] were in 10 to the middle of the short from that one

[2:34:25] that what?

[2:34:27] And we don't know what to do because we don't know what

[2:34:30] can happen.

[2:34:31] So key calls when we can make this

[2:34:35] That's because I've got a lot of designers, I've got architects, I've got construction,

[2:34:40] I've got people standing by and it was that's for a lot, and it was projects.

[2:34:44] So I don't know what to decide and decide what I like to do.

[2:34:48] What we're doing.

[2:34:50] You're welcome Charlotte, and you're not the only one that's in this situation right now,

[2:34:56] and this was one of the considerations that we took last fall in the Moratorium

[2:35:02] was proposed is that a lot of people had significant financial outlay, they're in the middle

[2:35:09] of the bill, they were held as time and effort invested and, you know, they would be

[2:35:15] awful.

[2:35:16] Right now there's a bunch of people who are saying, what do you get to do?

[2:35:19] You know, this time, so I don't have a crystal ball exactly on what the board will do

[2:35:26] But what has historically merit-positive counting Board of Supervisors, I can say, has been very

[2:35:36] linear and amenable to people who are in a certain process, I would say that their sentiment

[2:35:42] is not to hurt anybody through a big policy choice.

[2:35:49] And so I would expect that there would be some type of consideration for people who are

[2:35:56] involved in a build process like you're speaking at right now or in a development process.

[2:36:04] How that consideration is reflected in the WDT-2D training, I don't know if you'd like

[2:36:12] to do that.

[2:36:14] Is there a time scale?

[2:36:17] What a decision.

[2:36:19] There's a rough one, but here's what will happen.

[2:36:21] the study will end up coming out this fall but then notice it then the Board of Supervisors

[2:36:29] would direct staff to begin work in a certain ordinance. So that would take minimum 90 days.

[2:36:41] So the very quickest decision that would happen, you know, something might be added first

[2:36:53] When you mentioned that you were going to press each community, so how many short-term

[2:37:01] runals are there at the moment?

[2:37:08] I actually would have to go and pull my data off our GIS layer right now, and I don't

[2:37:13] have my fingertips inside.

[2:37:16] I would imagine the same answer for long-term runals, so you really don't know how many

[2:37:22] partial with this, whatever, whatever, whatever the value of the site.

[2:37:29] Well, we can find out how many, so short-term rentals,

[2:37:35] TOT, transient occupancy, certificates, we easily track.

[2:37:39] We've got a great grip on that.

[2:37:41] We can draw a circle around them, know exactly where they are,

[2:37:44] how many they are, what's that as they're in.

[2:37:47] Long-term rentals, very hard to quantify.

[2:37:50] That's a private business operation so we don't necessarily know how many long-term rentals are out there

[2:37:57] parcels, first of all, count those as well.

[2:38:02] So

[2:38:02] So you did get some respondents to your survey that said we are long-term rentals. So yeah

[2:38:11] But so you would also know people find out how many T of T's there, it would probably be easier than

[2:38:17] So we would want that to the next meeting, doing the seat.

[2:38:22] How many people is the fact?

[2:38:23] Yeah, I think it's just, I mean what Ben is saying is there are maps, there are Excel

[2:38:31] spreadsheets, our tax collector obviously has to know exactly which parcel is an STR, who

[2:38:40] owns it, who operates it if it isn't the owner, how you get in touch with the owner, all

[2:38:45] that information is available on the county and they pulled along that together for the study

[2:38:52] it's just, he doesn't have to have a, okay.

[2:38:56] The next time you dress warm, do you have that?

[2:38:59] The things that you're looking for is how many actually short-term rentals are well.

[2:39:04] Yeah. I'll tell you right after this, I'll get on my computer.

[2:39:07] Oh, okay.

[2:39:07] Because I think that kind of gives me an idea.

[2:39:10] How many people we talk about will be affected

[2:39:13] by whatever decision is made in the room?

[2:39:16] And by a minimum number.

[2:39:18] By affected, you'd be thinking about individuals

[2:39:22] perhaps that are operators, trucker manuals.

[2:39:25] So it depends what your policy will be,

[2:39:29] which I have no idea what it is.

[2:39:32] If you have the county, it has an ordinance that affects

[2:39:38] certain members of that and how many is that? Or is it an effect? All people will have a TOT.

[2:39:46] You know, and I'm not saying going one way or another, I'm just trying to get an analine.

[2:39:51] How many people this is? There's a TOT ordinance effect in the community.

[2:39:58] I'm probably each community would want that because a warner would be different than the assembly West and Midnight.

[2:40:04] And so if it may look and you already said, you think you need to address each community.

[2:40:12] So you may have an ordinance that would basically lead it up to each town plan on how that could be addressed.

[2:40:25] Yes, very like yeah exactly.

[2:40:26] They will be there will be individual destinations based on community.

[2:40:31] And just so you know, I pulled on my slide here of the 44 people that responded from

[2:40:38] Alona, 67% of those are owners, and 97 owners responded, 47 or not.

[2:40:49] And then we can look at that more detail to see exactly how many T and T certificates of

[2:40:57] I would kind of recommend the board when they do hope that how to do this, that it may be done by

[2:41:05] by community-by specific plan that would be a great place to address issues in there on housing

[2:41:15] and setbacks and all that kind of stuff, which is already in every specific plan.

[2:41:20] And that might be where this will be usually done and be done by community.

[2:41:27] I think that certainly will be the case particularly in these communities that are adjacent to the park.

[2:41:35] Thank you.

[2:41:36] Back there.

[2:41:36] I was just going to ask you to talk to them about what needs to be.

[2:41:41] Basically, this is numbers on groups between TOTs.

[2:41:46] This is American, and all of those students who go to these

[2:41:50] on their rentals, and all they do.

[2:41:53] So all rental platforms now are required to collect that.

[2:42:01] I think you turned that microphone.

[2:42:02] I can't quite talk.

[2:42:10] We have a relationship with the Airbnb and they do pay us directly for their revenues.

[2:42:22] We have a software tool that monitors compliance of short-term rentals so we can see

[2:42:29] people are ready without any of this well.

[2:42:32] Yeah, because there's a lot of private party stuff that goes on.

[2:42:37] Okay.

[2:42:46] There's your study.

[2:42:48] Is it going to address, like, your individual,

[2:42:50] to the deal that it could be, example, maybe I'll mention it.

[2:42:53] Like, a lot of years to me, the last 10 people.

[2:42:55] And there were four people, so they could hide it.

[2:42:57] You know, let me know.

[2:42:59] So are you the best thing I've had and if you're not, let's say we're trying to

[2:43:06] decide to change that world, would it be retroactive over the current

[2:43:09] certificate still be well?

[2:43:14] If there are properties that are grandfathered in, so we currently do have room limits,

[2:43:21] occupancy limits, but all the properties do not have to comply to that, because they have

[2:43:29] that you're sorry enough to be close to what this is supposed to be.

[2:43:32] And you're not interested in this kind of policy is very potential.

[2:43:36] It will be noted just so we have a baseline understanding, you know,

[2:43:41] where your certain properties may need to have 10 people in it.

[2:43:46] It'll be a good explanation for the community because they move forward and say,

[2:43:50] well hey, why do they get to do this?

[2:43:53] And I can only have three bedrooms.

[2:43:55] So it's all, it's only there.

[2:43:57] Mr. Carrots.

[2:43:59] Yeah.

[2:44:03] Yeah.

[2:44:03] around, if the last meeting was on 54,000 pounds, and then, that's all right.

[2:44:10] I think that might be the one I'm trying to tell you now,

[2:44:15] but also, but there's one

[2:44:16] about part 2 of this in housing, and part 2, and I'm trying to tell you that both of this

[2:44:21] are being looked up, even if it's at the same cost, even if they are short of housing

[2:44:25] and they're having a different cost.

[2:44:27] hiring people because they don't have, they don't have a bit of a thousand.

[2:44:36] My history in London, we thought that people are here,

[2:44:39] my life goes back to New York, and the grandkids, and many of them.

[2:44:43] I think they know that they do the daily politics to the moment.

[2:44:47] So they have a bit perspective on what you're going to know about the years.

[2:44:52] Over the years, a bunch of this collaboration,

[2:44:55] and I'm sorry, but I was British, but I'm not a part of it in the world.

[2:45:00] The Senate Council has done the call in the district courthouse at Scotland. They've earned早's status.

[2:45:08] May is good to use the areas of the party. That's早's and then, in case the cost of the meeting is going up.

[2:45:16] Then they've done it. They've also given seven, eight ounces of oil, two-savvy, seven-savvy, seven-savvy.

[2:45:21] of the positive and concluded current housing in the field of office studies,

[2:45:29] don't get

[2:45:30] you all in high enough national parts of this retiree, seven to the last 17 years and then

[2:45:36] the SNAP.

[2:45:37] Good job for yourselves, and so for the part-to-go, we're sure the housing is not really

[2:45:44] I don't have a line.

[2:45:47] So, I don't have a line.

[2:45:49] I don't have a line.

[2:45:50] I don't have a line.

[2:45:52] I don't have a line.

[2:45:53] I don't have a line.

[2:45:55] I'm also not an individual.

[2:46:03] But, for instance, this organization, this community,

[2:46:07] that got the name in the world.

[2:46:10] The number of short-term models in the world,

[2:46:12] in the newspaper for eight years,

[2:46:20] the question is, how can we better manage the short-term

[2:46:26] owners that are here, so unless it's the impacts that have been brought up in the

[2:46:30] short-term?

[2:46:34] I don't have a question before that, actually, to the, you know, the park's sort of a test

[2:46:42] supposed to have been in the open the room as far as the group had any need to apply now.

[2:46:50] This can be the only employees in the park service, they're the immediate public and

[2:46:55] questionable.

[2:46:56] It's trained that says, man, this is also that need for a 40-based housing, really

[2:47:02] was prompted a lot of this in the, you know, a need, it's said.

[2:47:07] You may need an interesting comment at the end of your loop for the end of your report that you're

[2:47:13] nearing for it by the way the response you're getting to meet from the park service on this.

[2:47:20] I mean, I know they've looked at a lot of different things like finding a job for it to come

[2:47:23] in a park with them and be back and things like that.

[2:47:28] I've kind of weighed on the periphery because back in my real life that was what I used to do.

[2:47:33] But I don't, I'm kind of curious, what is it where you see from then that gives you

[2:47:41] calls for encouragement, that they are willing to participate in a real way, convince

[2:47:46] them to how they are contributing to the community.

[2:47:50] And I'll thank you for that question.

[2:47:54] And so when you get encouraged by something, it's when somebody, something gets a little bit

[2:47:59] better, right?

[2:48:00] Or, you know, something is improving.

[2:48:01] And I would say that the county's relationship primarily with the Superintendents office is what is

[2:48:10] what occurred to you in me right now towards a potential housing project in the future.

[2:48:16] Okay, so the current Superintendents is looking family at the parks of participating in one

[2:48:23] one other than housing project in the housing project.

[2:48:26] Well, and I would say as to the former Supreme Court, some might very much be very active in the conversations.

[2:48:33] Well, it's just it knows that, you know, help yourself look at the perspective for this concessionaire, and they have probably been on the job.

[2:48:44] And one of the things, the conditions of that, is that they would divide.

[2:48:53] I don't know if it'd be any of your doorsteps that you're planning to be able to get something like that to, but, you know, that's, that I just wanted that kind of thing to still even go live, you know?

[2:49:06] Well, let's just say, I think the integrated mobility housing study that then mentioned earlier,

[2:49:15] the city conservancy and the city national park, or important partners, we all agree acknowledge

[2:49:24] the need to coordinate and where we can bring resources to the table to try to address the housing

[2:49:33] on several things, and not just the three of us, but also other organizations in our community.

[2:49:42] Can we move on?

[2:49:45] Mr. Chairman, this is an informational item as I understand it from the agenda.

[2:49:51] It's been a very broad discussion.

[2:49:54] I would like to suggest that, to this committee, that there are two absolutely existential,

[2:50:02] personally, generational defining issues of the this committee may have to come to grips with.

[2:50:08] One is this issue. The other is the M.O. New language, moving forward with the M.O.U.U.U.

[2:50:15] and if at some point, this changes from an information, as you do, to an issue in which this committee is going to be asked

[2:50:23] to review alternatives, consider alternatives, and make a recommendation to the Board of Supervisors

[2:50:29] as you are thoughts on the short term rental issue that determined schedule a separate meeting for this issue

[2:50:36] and that proper support of all sides is provided to the community for consideration.

[2:50:43] I have a real concern about what I've heard today

[2:50:48] and the impacts on private property ownership, property values going forward, and what impacts

[2:50:57] restrictions could place on our properties, and I took this job to represent not my property,

[2:51:05] but to every one of the 270 properties in the world.

[2:51:10] And many of whom are not in the audience, they're not on this board, they're not a county staff,

[2:51:15] they're out there.

[2:51:16] but they still have a voice and they still need to be protected.

[2:51:22] And so, this is such an important issue

[2:51:24] that if we're ever going to be called upon to take action,

[2:51:28] I would like to see a separate meeting on that issue.

[2:51:32] And I believe we already have a separate meeting

[2:51:35] on the MOU issue coming up in October.

[2:51:39] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[2:51:41] Okay.

[2:51:43] Okay.

[2:51:47] Any other comments?

[2:51:49] Because you're right, too.

[2:51:49] You're just receiving a report here and the take in the consideration.

[2:51:55] And I, I don't know if you need a more important reason.

[2:51:57] I also think that you were pretty much in consensus that these things like

[2:52:02] those separate meeting went back to the minutes together.

[2:52:05] And before something is authorized by the Board of Supervisors.

[2:52:10] Well, let me ask that just to follow up again, actions to restrict short-term Reynolds, not

[2:52:18] not county-wide, but as part of our town plan for instance.

[2:52:23] Again, this is a very broad discussion, but that was raised.

[2:52:27] I would assume that's right in our daily way, but let me ask right now to county staff and

[2:52:35] our supervisor at some point is the Board of Supervisors going to be asking let back for its

[2:52:43] consideration and recommendations with respect to what we've heard today.

[2:52:51] So, I cannot put myself in the bench head, but what he has said is when he described

[2:52:59] is essentially similar to the first conversation that he had here.

[2:53:03] That's what we'll come before the board.

[2:53:05] They'll be report that will be the culmination of the board that's been conducted under the study.

[2:53:14] And at that point, the board will consider the information that's been presented in the report information that's presented by people in the audience,

[2:53:25] whether or not you are in person and we will direct staff to take action and include it in that direction.

[2:53:37] Could be, I want to five, it could be that proposals be sent back to specific communities.

[2:53:48] Now, I have to emphasize that not everybody has a advisory committee.

[2:53:55] Volona has, as you know, the Volona Town Planning Association in your Simity West,

[2:54:03] the only active committee that we have is the, you know, Simity West District Advisory Committee,

[2:54:09] which is primarily focused.

[2:54:11] Their charter is to look at the water waste water and road services provided by the county

[2:54:19] So we're going to have to think through not only the options that are presented in the report

[2:54:29] that is provided to the board, but we're also going to think of perhaps thinking through

[2:54:35] how we go about finalizing any suggested or authorized approaches to bring this to

[2:54:48] So, yes, it could be certainly possible that we could say

[2:54:51] it's kind of back to the web pack, but for us it doesn't have

[2:54:55] a town of Hong Kong, so we're going to have to figure all that out.

[2:54:59] Just to the extent that the town plan, our town plan,

[2:55:03] is being implicated in any sort of changes to it.

[2:55:06] I just want everyone to understand that is a hugely impactful document

[2:55:11] to all of our properties, and if you don't know about it

[2:55:15] and you don't know how it could impact your property values.

[2:55:19] You need to familiarize yourself with it.

[2:55:21] And if there's any discussion about,

[2:55:23] well, let's restrict this, and let's restrict that,

[2:55:26] it would probably be done in the context of revising

[2:55:30] or amending the town plan.

[2:55:32] And that is a big-time issue that needs big-time consideration

[2:55:36] for all a property owners in the world.

[2:55:39] And you think,

[2:55:42] this was the body to put work

[2:55:45] that's accounted to put that town plan together.

[2:55:47] And you're absolutely right, you know, anything that restricts activity, that right, that the property owner, the owners that they have,

[2:55:58] he grays the kind of kind, and he tracks from the value of the property.

[2:56:04] We see a perception both, multiple people here in the marketplace.

[2:56:10] So that's a, that I was points for taking.

[2:56:13] Okay, any other comments coming from the audience, any other from the committee?

[2:56:22] Then this is what we'll receive the report and thank you for it, and now I'm going to

[2:56:28] one to the next item on the agenda, which is the one for discussion and the possible action.

[2:56:37] The first item there is your view discussed and recommend that people

[2:56:43] on the wall in the top 90th life of your communities.

[2:56:46] Any report to a mayor of course, we could not afford some advice.

[2:56:50] Can you give me a minute, please, for some reason I've bought some.

[2:56:59] Big that was a document that...

[2:57:02] Can you give me the, yeah, no, I don't know.

[2:57:04] You have a hard copy.

[2:57:06] Okay.

[2:57:06] I don't know what I'm going to do, but I don't know what I'm going to do.

[2:57:11] All right. Let's just, no, we'll go ahead.

[2:57:16] I'm sorry.

[2:57:24] Okay, so, as Gene said,

[2:57:31] the item is to look at the annual report,

[2:57:38] I'm sorry I was looking for the entire packet for today's meeting but in that packet there was a coffee of the policy that I mentioned earlier that the Board of Supervisors approved to provide guidance on how different

[2:58:03] Canadians, boards, and commissions operate in Miracles County.

[2:58:10] And one of the key requirements of that document that we discussed at the last meeting is an annual report.

[2:58:22] And we, at that meeting, it was decided that Gene and Ed and Gary Bookner would work

[2:58:32] together to help me pull an annual report together that can be submitted to the board.

[2:58:40] So we, as part of that, we developed the purpose statement in the annual report. And I'm

[2:58:51] looking for confirmation from the members of this committee that you're comfortable with

[2:58:58] what we did not do and what is required under the policy is to talk about what we've done

[2:59:07] and what our goals are for the next year.

[2:59:10] So I threw some stuff out there.

[2:59:14] Our accomplishments we added three new members to the committee.

[2:59:17] So what else is the committee done?

[2:59:19] In terms of goals and objectives for 2023,

[2:59:25] I put in at least one new member to reduce the number of vacancies,

[2:59:30] finalized language for the MOU between the park and the county, and then define service levels for trash,

[2:59:35] recycling, pine needle, and bulky items, pick up and we'll want an associated cost.

[2:59:40] This was me throwing stuff on a piece of paper, or actually, on my laptop.

[2:59:45] But I need to know from you folks whether those are the, that is the only accomplishment that you want to identify for this committee over the year 2022.

[3:00:00] I want to know whether the goals and objectives that are there are the ones that you want identified, or if you want something taken out or something added.

[3:00:10] So I need input and I need concurrence that you're comfortable with actually Danielle will do the work, but with us taking this annual report to the Board of Supervisors.

[3:00:26] I have one question in the packet.

[3:00:31] It's the one in there and it's got blue, black, yellow.

[3:00:38] So the blue is just the thing that the three of four of us worked on.

[3:00:46] There's no significance.

[3:00:47] You, I think what you said to me, had this two paragraphs highlighted.

[3:00:52] And I didn't bother to remove the high line.

[3:00:55] So there's no real information associated with those differences in task.

[3:01:00] So this is the copy of the proposed report for us to improve the change.

[3:01:09] Yes, yes, exactly.

[3:01:17] And that's the one I was going to go on with.

[3:01:25] So we have to look at this a little bit inside the weather, we need to be addition to this, subtraction, and then prove it.

[3:01:40] Yeah, because this has to go to the board.

[3:01:45] For clarification, Mr. Chairman, as a newbie, a spell road newbie,

[3:01:53] As I understood the resolution, this is to be provided to the board and the layer of the

[3:01:58] napaline issue, is that correct?

[3:02:00] Okay, so we're already, you know, obviously, well, beyond the deadline, and I have no objection

[3:02:08] to the language.

[3:02:08] I wasn't even going to the board at the time frame involved, but I'd like to, at the

[3:02:14] appropriate time, make some suggestions about that process going forward, so we'll find

[3:02:19] themselves in this position and that we provide the board a really meaningful report.

[3:02:27] In reading the resolutions and the history and in talking with folks in the know, it's

[3:02:34] very clear to me that the county staff and the county board of supervisors is kind of

[3:02:39] inundated with these boards and they're looking to find out which of their boards and committees

[3:02:46] or actually providing value added in that actually provided service that's necessary.

[3:02:53] And if they determine that committees aren't doing what the requirements lay out,

[3:03:00] then my guess is they're going to get rid of those committees.

[3:03:04] And so it behooves us as representatives of Wona to not let that happen to let that happen to let that happen.

[3:03:11] And so, they've set out requirements for us, and we need to, even if it means having a special

[3:03:18] meeting to talk about what our scope is and what we need to provide to the county to keep

[3:03:26] this committee functioning, I think we should do that sooner rather than later.

[3:03:31] You know, next April is not that far away, actually.

[3:03:35] And so determining what this year, what we're attending to accomplish, what we've accomplished,

[3:03:42] and putting a report together that can be timely provided to our supervisor and her board,

[3:03:48] I think is very important to our ongoing responsibility.

[3:03:52] I'll leave it at that time.

[3:03:56] Just for a little more informational update, so on this last Tuesday, my staff brought an item to the Board of Supervisors on this very topic.

[3:04:03] We are actually going to dissolve four committees that did not bring annual reports to the board and then the board also gave

[3:04:13] action to allow my staff to go out one more time and give a third opportunity for committees to bring their annual report and that item will come before September 12.

[3:04:25] So moving forward, that won't happen next year.

[3:04:29] This is the first year that we've implemented this policy.

[3:04:34] But we will probably see more committees

[3:04:36] dissolved that are in non-compliance.

[3:04:39] And Mr. Chairman, we cannot let that happen to let that

[3:04:42] number one.

[3:04:44] And number two, I believe that this committee ought

[3:04:46] to have a specific deadline for coming up with its goals

[3:04:51] for the year, and then preparing a draft of its report to the Board, which will assure

[3:04:59] that we don't lose this committee.

[3:05:02] I don't think they're messing around.

[3:05:07] In fact, that's why when the nation is barred up under that promise meeting, I think we

[3:05:12] gave ourselves two weeks to basically double-check it and see if there's anything we want

[3:05:17] to add as far as the last.

[3:05:18] And I think we got the document into you in a time-in-a-way.

[3:05:23] Also, it's quite understanding that you are currently all of the supervisors themselves

[3:05:28] out of charge basically with a schedule of when the plan has to be, you know, the report has to be in.

[3:05:36] Is that not?

[3:05:37] No, so, all of it, Danielle, you're, her memory is probably better than mine, but what my recollection

[3:05:45] is that this has been in the making for at least in some kind of 2021.

[3:05:57] We started this policy with acknowledging that at the time we had 55 committees for a population

[3:06:05] of 17,134.

[3:06:11] And we, I mean, part of the issue is as, as Rick alluded to, we don't have the staff to be able to support 55 committees.

[3:06:23] And also I think one of the more important things Danielle and I were talking about this the other day and she's absolutely right.

[3:06:31] We do have a strategic plan here in North Tulsa, and our hope is that every committee will be aware of that strategic plan and the goals that are contained in that strategic plan, and we will be marching forward at least in the same direction.

[3:06:50] There may be a lot of pushing and pulling and contentiousness and so on, but at the end of the day we've all got to be moving in the same direction.

[3:06:58] We can't have committees that are going off in a completely different direction.

[3:07:03] So we're trying to work with the committees.

[3:07:07] In this case, when it was brought forward, I said, okay, well, we're webpacked, special.

[3:07:14] Can we get a grace period?

[3:07:18] I came to the meeting, we talked about it, and then I talked to Danielle, I thought about

[3:07:23] more and I realized that we've got to get bylaws approved too. And so I thought, I bring it back

[3:07:31] to the committee because I don't want to be putting words on paper, for example on goals, when

[3:07:37] you folks have a completely different set of priorities. And I think we all need to be on the same page.

[3:07:44] So my point is simply that I've bought time, but Rick is right. I go forward basis,

[3:07:52] Not only did we need to be working from the same docking, but we need to be comparing the next docking.

[3:07:57] I love you.

[3:07:59] I'm up every year.

[3:08:00] No.

[3:08:01] Because we have, by the way, it's had previously been approved for the...

[3:08:06] There's been...

[3:08:07] That was when I passed out in part of the...

[3:08:09] 2013.

[3:08:11] That was put.

[3:08:12] It was updated in 2013.

[3:08:13] They've been around for longer than that.

[3:08:15] Right.

[3:08:15] But the board's preference is that you utilize the template that's contained the model in the policy.

[3:08:29] If you want to add more provisions, you're welcome to do that, as long as they don't conflict with the provisions that are contained in the template.

[3:08:41] So Danielle, so the committee's policy was originally adopted by the board last February, February of 22 and it gave the provision that by laws needed to be written and submitted to the board for adoption within 90 days.

[3:08:58] Now that was also in the reasoning behind that was to one update by laws to match new county policies and to ensure committees were following county policies because you are a subset of the board.

[3:09:11] Even though you are a committee, of all interior committee, you still have to follow county policy.

[3:09:19] And so it was a way to update by laws that have been around for decades.

[3:09:25] But have we did we not come back?

[3:09:27] Again, because every time something like that was brought before us, we took action on it.

[3:09:35] So, since we were really missing Lincoln.

[3:09:38] So, in 21 when the committee's policy was adopted, again, 90 days to bring it to the board,

[3:09:45] that has not happened for the World War and the Town Planning Advisory Committee,

[3:09:49] the next item on your agenda is to review and discuss your updated bylaws,

[3:09:53] which would then come before the Board of Supervisors to adopt.

[3:09:58] Okay, so what you need from us is that at this reading is not a draft set of violence or an amendment to the

[3:10:08] violence that we have, how do we get this?

[3:10:11] So that's in your board packet, and I know that you've been busy, but there is in the board packet

[3:10:18] for item F2,

[3:10:24] I picked the template from the policy document and I went through and tried

[3:10:35] to modify it so that it looked easier, I mean more life, what will want to, I filled

[3:10:44] and someone explicitly. But that's the next item on the agenda. What I am hoping to do is to get

[3:10:53] concurrence from the committee to be able to move forward with the annual report and the revised

[3:11:00] bylaws so that we can submit those to the board and get them approved. Okay.

[3:11:10] So can we talk about the

[3:11:13] Okay,

[3:11:16] so again, you're welcome to making any changes that you feel are necessary in appropriate.

[3:11:25] According to the policy, each annual report shall minimally include the following information,

[3:11:30] and overview of the projects issues topics considered by the committee in the preceding year

[3:11:35] how the projects issues topics fall within the committee's purpose, and on that one,

[3:11:41] that was why I thought, well, we needed to find the purpose, especially because the purpose

[3:11:44] that was in existing, let's see, the purpose as it was stated in one of the committee information

[3:11:56] that exists on the county website had your purpose as developing a specific town plan.

[3:12:04] And so my first clue was, it's a little dated since you already have a plan.

[3:12:11] So, and then any issues in peating, committee effectiveness, and goals and objectives for the next year.

[3:12:16] So, those are what are required by the policy.

[3:12:22] And so, again, I think what I'm asking is for you to look at the annual report as it stands right now.

[3:12:29] Are you comfortable with the purpose?

[3:12:30] Are you, is there anything that you want to add or subtract, but given that goals and objectives are required?

[3:12:38] As I said, I made stuff up, and I need you folks to say, okay, we're comfortable with what we've identified as accomplishments for 2022,

[3:12:49] and whatever you want to say about the goals that are identified there.

[3:12:55] I

[3:12:59] mean, is that what you want to commit to do?

[3:13:02] I mean, it sounds like what Richard was saying was that,

[3:13:06] at a minimum, you want to have a goal where you have,

[3:13:12] at least one meeting that focuses on the,

[3:13:16] the proposals contained in the STR study,

[3:13:20] as they pertain to Walonga.

[3:13:22] And the Walonga town plan, if anything.

[3:13:25] Yeah. Yeah.

[3:13:25] Yeah, so I mean, I'm just I'm looking for your input that I think is an example of the kind of thing that I suppose you might want to consider adding

[3:13:37] But it's it's your set of goals, so I need to know like what Richard was saying was

[3:13:44] And minimum and also thank you. I don't have an in front of me, but I do believe that one of the goals was to

[3:13:53] and sitter and act on the MOU, is that right?

[3:13:58] Yeah, and I want to have a closer look where

[3:14:01] you have at least one meeting that focuses on the proposals

[3:14:09] contained in the STR study, as they pertain to,

[3:14:12] go home, and then we'll want to have a plan.

[3:14:15] Well, we have a plan, yeah.

[3:14:17] Yeah, so, I mean, I'm just, I'm going to bring your insight.

[3:14:20] that I think is an example of the kind of thing that I suppose you might want to consider adding.

[3:14:26] I think it's very practical.

[3:14:28] It's very cynical.

[3:14:31] I need to know, I need to know, I need to know.

[3:14:36] You can also, I don't have an infront of me, but I do believe that one of the goals has to consider

[3:14:44] and act on the M-O-O-O.

[3:14:48] I mean, I mean, I'm so sorry.

[3:14:49] Yeah, I just want to share the voice

[3:14:50] with your close to my call,

[3:14:53] and to the show.

[3:14:54] And the most wonderful thing,

[3:14:56] that focuses on what will be the place for closely.

[3:15:00] We're just continuing to be as charged as the campaign to vote for the law of the law of council and the laws of the council.

[3:15:07] So, I mean, I'm just saying I'm just saying I'm just saying that that, I think, is it my example of the kind of vote that I sent to vote?

[3:15:15] I think we're looking for a candidate, we can vote, they can vote, we'll try to vote.

[3:15:19] But sure, Santa Golobe, so, we need to vote.

[3:15:22] Thank you. We should be standing up the stage.

[3:15:24] The

[3:15:47] committee

[3:27:29] is more created, they are so purpose.

[3:27:32] was to help raise of your town plan and implement certain factors you want it in your town plan.

[3:27:41] So again, one of the reasons we implemented this committee is again, we have 55 committees.

[3:27:47] Several committees have straight away from their original purpose.

[3:27:51] And so first let's start with our annual report and then we can get into this conversation a little further with your bylaws,

[3:27:58] because that's where you're going to need to change the purpose of this committee.

[3:28:02] So let me try Marty. I think what Danielle is saying is that there are of the 51 now that the Board has taken action to dissolve for.

[3:28:15] Of the 51 committees that exist in Maraposa County that are advisory to the Board of Supervisors, a portion of them.

[3:28:26] I'm going to guess that it's about 15, about 15 of these were created.

[3:28:31] There's their sole purpose.

[3:28:33] It was to help to bond the boundaries of your town's plan and implement certain factors

[3:28:39] you wanted in your town's plan.

[3:28:41] So, again, one of the reasons we implemented this committee is, again, we've put

[3:28:47] in five committees.

[3:28:48] Several committees have straight away from their original purpose.

[3:28:51] And so first let's let's start with our annual report and then we can get into the

[3:28:56] conversation a little further with your bylaws because that's where you're going to

[3:29:00] need to change the purpose of this committee.

[3:29:03] So in the commentary, I think, and that is the, we are genuinely saying in the

[3:29:09] slide of the, there's of the Fifth Service 51 now that the Board has taken actual

[3:29:14] of the 51 communities around that exist so in Mariposa County that are advisory to the Board of Supervisors, obviously you have an interest.

[3:29:25] A portion of them, and I'm going to guess that it's about 15.

[3:29:29] About 15 of them are created. They're full for this.

[3:29:34] was to help to broaden the boundary under town plans and implement certain factors in

[3:29:40] one of the EU champions. So again, which doesn't think one of the reasons we implemented this

[3:29:46] committee is, again, we have to think about committees. Several committees have strayed

[3:29:50] away from their original purpose. And so first let's close here, we start with our

[3:29:56] we're in this weekend in this conversation a little more further with you.

[3:30:00] I'm Aussie, if that's why I'm ashamed to change the purpose of this committee.

[3:30:03] So it's been a period of time, if that is then what can you say is that there's

[3:30:12] of the people in the world who can actually build this all over the world.

[3:30:17] But the 51 countries that exist, so the Americans can't adapt and apply three to the

[3:30:24] four supervisors.

[3:30:25] Obviously you have one.

[3:30:26] So if you're pushing that bill, I'm going to guess that it's about 15.

[3:31:02] Please pay attention to the purpose of this community.

[3:31:05] Herpsis, the community, the communities, the communities,

[3:31:08] and not reflect necessarily reflected in the community

[3:31:13] specific science.

[3:31:14] Does that help?

[3:31:17] So what?

[3:31:18] OK, and so the rest of it is really laid out in the M.M.U.

[3:31:24] And then of course, like with every other,

[3:31:45] Okay, so in the blue paragraph there, I'm going to talk about the yellow paragraph, if I look at the

[3:31:54] what's divided up, and what's like number one,

[3:31:56] our job is to implement the town plan and develop updates.

[3:32:00] Number two, work with the county and the MPS.

[3:32:03] It does, I don't know.

[3:32:04] No, I think three that says, give advice to the county and other.

[3:32:08] So I don't know which one you're looking to do.

[3:32:10] Is that a whole thing at?

[3:32:11] There's a blue one, and what the purpose is act,

[3:32:15] the first sentence is act as an advisory body

[3:32:18] to the mayor of places.

[3:32:19] It says four.

[3:32:20] So it's qualified that this is four number one input

[3:32:23] in the Tom Plan.

[3:32:25] Also, the purpose of this is, and then it says, and then it says, and word between

[3:32:30] and trying to be, yes.

[3:32:32] It should be at number three, and it seems like it says, and other topics are interesting

[3:32:37] to the community.

[3:32:39] We advise that the planning to commission on other topics, and see, it kind of looks

[3:32:44] like it's limited to the Tom Plan, and in case of the MPS.

[3:32:48] Well, I think just the stretchers, yeah, the last sentence says that, participating in discussions

[3:32:55] between the county and national partners on all issues of fact in private parking more, that's

[3:33:01] no it's really, it says it, it says the clean, yeah. Right. So, part of it is that we hate county,

[3:33:10] not for part of you. So, we answer to the county, okay, so we can't have discussions between

[3:33:17] to many more people.

[3:33:21] So I make a motion that we approve, or that we submit the rules, have planning advisors

[3:33:29] in any report, as it's in the packet, with the additions that have been stated on the goals

[3:33:37] and objectives for 2023 and there's five.

[3:33:41] Yes.

[3:33:45] This is the motion on the table, the discussion, correct me, chat, call.

[3:33:56] You need to check, yeah, you need to check.

[3:33:58] You need to check, you need to check, you need to check, you need to check.

[3:34:18] I have a comment to that.

[3:34:27] County Council has already decided that that is because there is an overlapping of

[3:34:33] Polo and what pack so that one of our polo meetings is in session we have a

[3:34:39] poem of what you do not have.

[3:34:43] Yeah, and so it was, because that's what's happening.

[3:34:46] We have our polo meetings we have and we have a poem of what pack and so just as getting together

[3:34:53] talking could be a violation in Kelly Council's opinion.

[3:34:58] And that's why I went to that number,

[3:35:00] which is a difficult number to have.

[3:35:02] But that's why.

[3:35:03] Right.

[3:35:04] And let's see, it's changed as a position.

[3:35:07] And that can't change.

[3:35:08] Can we start out the number?

[3:35:09] There is no, because the number of wet facts.

[3:35:14] And we want to pull our members, but that's not the same composition.

[3:35:18] And we want to do it.

[3:35:19] Green, but it can always go back to it.

[3:35:21] The limit is as always a danger that by having

[3:35:26] with too many people participate in both the wetpack

[3:35:28] and the alcohol that you can have by,

[3:35:32] you know, a conflict of interest, basically.

[3:35:34] I call this one, you go badly at the Brown Act.

[3:35:37] So, no, I'm afraid of that, but I'm not as concerned

[3:35:41] that the only danger I would see in the court

[3:35:46] of that is getting informed.

[3:35:47] Yeah, he's up to 15.

[3:35:49] That, well, there's different things that we do have, is hard to get seven people here at a time.

[3:35:56] I mean, we barely got there this time.

[3:35:58] So, what I would suggest, and I'm not suggesting this is another goal, because we'll do it offline.

[3:36:04] But I think, you know, we can sit down, we can talk about who's on Webboa, who's on Webpack.

[3:36:10] We can talk about what the Webboa, who's on Webpack, how you get on to Webboa.

[3:36:16] And maybe there's a safeguard there that says if you're already serving on Webpack above a certain number

[3:36:21] You don't get to join the WebPolar board. So we can talk about it. It is in fact the number

[3:36:29] 1315 is is too high of R. But let's talk about that all the time. Okay.

[3:36:38] Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So we'll keep it. I think.

[3:36:46] I think it's important that this is what I said now.

[3:36:52] When is the next one?

[3:36:54] It's not over six.

[3:36:57] Okay, is that set?

[3:36:58] So there's also one now.

[3:37:01] Well, actually, I don't know that we know that.

[3:37:05] That was a date that was floated.

[3:37:10] But we can't commit to that.

[3:37:13] I think right now it's going to be a date in October and we'll need to work together to define

[3:37:19] what that date is.

[3:37:20] What I'm saying is we're trying to coordinate with both both, so we can be defining the point of

[3:37:25] We need to set the unit dance, so this is our total date and place in the unit.

[3:37:34] I have tried to do that since I've been, and we've been successful so far, to be able

[3:37:46] to schedule the WEPA community one day on the weekends with a whole map, but that is not

[3:37:53] requirements that we have to fulfill, we've just done it and we've been able to make it happen.

[3:37:58] This meeting is outside there is no other rapport meeting around that we have the county

[3:38:03] topics especially that we need to cover.

[3:38:06] So yeah, I think what we're at and what Ed has read of as far as the motion.

[3:38:13] If you need one more time, make sure I want to call it all on it.

[3:38:16] So I have a really bad, could you read it back?

[3:38:19] That's one moment.

[3:38:22] So the motion was to approve the annual report

[3:38:28] as submitted with the two additions for a total of five new goals.

[3:38:35] And the goals were being defined in a specific plan violations

[3:38:38] in the whole plan.

[3:38:40] And then develop and communicate what

[3:38:41] his response to options identified in the county STR study.

[3:38:55] So you have a, you have, it's been moved and seconded.

[3:39:00] So.

[3:39:00] We're in discussion right now.

[3:39:03] So I didn't do discussion.

[3:39:07] So you already have a motion and a second.

[3:39:10] So any if you're going to add anything.

[3:39:12] His motion would need to be withdrawn.

[3:39:14] And then you'd have to make a new motion to add anything additional.

[3:39:20] He has to withdraw and then you can create a new one.

[3:39:26] So, if you want to add that change the motion.

[3:39:31] Yeah, so I can consider working at the number of members.

[3:39:36] Of course, it's a value of 1.

[3:39:39] I'll see if it's feasible to reduce the number of membership requirements to a level

[3:39:49] that would not create a problem in the future.

[3:39:52] So I don't want to amend my motion.

[3:39:54] I think that should be one of the, it's a goal.

[3:39:58] And when we have a meeting, put that on the agenda as a goal,

[3:40:02] and we'll talk about it at that time.

[3:40:04] Okay. I think we need to move this through and get other work. We've lost all of the audience.

[3:40:11] Okay.

[3:40:12] I would draw.

[3:40:13] Think of a second.

[3:40:15] So, we have a motion on the table.

[3:40:18] Let's make a motion.

[3:40:20] It's been seconded.

[3:40:22] We call the roll.

[3:40:26] We have to do it.

[3:40:28] No, no, no.

[3:40:28] No, no. This is an actual motion.

[3:40:30] I know.

[3:40:31] We'll call the roll on the favor.

[3:40:33] Bye.

[3:40:34] Bye.

[3:40:35] I suppose, not in the point in Paris.

[3:40:41] I have a procedural question.

[3:40:44] In twenty- twenty-one minutes,

[3:40:47] the administration to the committees?

[3:40:49] No.

[3:40:50] Sure.

[3:40:51] Yeah.

[3:40:52] Well, I don't want to...

[3:40:53] She knows the history better than I do,

[3:40:54] but it was in twenty-two.

[3:40:57] Oh, okay.

[3:40:58] So, did the process say

[3:41:01] The home was in the construction mission, and if there was no response, but there was a reasonable kind, was there a follow?

[3:41:11] Yes.

[3:41:11] I'm not remembering that.

[3:41:14] Yep.

[3:41:15] Oh, go ahead.

[3:41:15] No.

[3:41:16] So I've mentioned this every meeting I've been at, every meeting of the web page.

[3:41:21] The policy.

[3:41:23] And at the last meeting, in fact, we talked about the annual report, right?

[3:41:29] because I, we were like,

[3:41:31] it's time to respect, it's okay.

[3:41:34] Now, you have to move on now to the same thing

[3:41:37] as the next time, I'm on the agenda

[3:41:38] to review and discuss recommended.

[3:41:40] If there was no respond, we had a lot of time,

[3:41:44] and it was, oh, yes, I'm glad I did this.

[3:41:48] But, I'm glad, no.

[3:41:50] So I've mentioned this every meeting I've been

[3:41:54] at, every meeting of the Welfaf, the policy,

[3:41:57] And at the last meeting, in fact, we talked about that in your report, right, because I would first do it, I wouldn't recommend it.

[3:42:05] Okay.

[3:42:06] And here's the fact that we're looking forward.

[3:42:08] No, we're just looking.

[3:42:09] We're going to need to follow now to the same thing.

[3:42:12] The next item we need to know is largely to adopt the model by laws.

[3:42:16] And this is a great start.

[3:42:19] As supervisors welcome noted, we have unique characteristics in the war.

[3:42:25] And I think it behooves us to, you know, consider carefully whether or not anything can help us with respect to our bylaws for this community.

[3:42:35] And I'd like to recommend to one that, and again, as noted, the purpose of this committee is actually more, and I appreciate the discussion of garbage in the discussion of light and in, and that sort of things by the committee.

[3:42:54] But really, I think this committee is formed to and should, as its basis,

[3:43:03] kind of matters are to look into property rights and property values of those people

[3:43:09] who live, reside, and unproperating the law.

[3:43:13] And that is what we ought to state focused on.

[3:43:16] In that respect, as I mentioned earlier, I think the MOU,

[3:43:21] considerations and the STR considerations to the extent that it might, in fact, the specific

[3:43:29] plan, those are, I mean, those are the elephants in the room for this year in my opinion,

[3:43:36] with respect to the MOU, I think language, specific language has to be added to purposes

[3:43:41] of the committee.

[3:43:42] And I don't think it needs to be a lot of language added, but maybe in section three of

[3:43:48] purposes of the committee. At the end of that section, we could add the language comma, including

[3:43:55] proposed changes to the MOU between the county of Maraposa and the National Park Service.

[3:44:02] And then, as I indicated earlier, Mr. Chairman, there's big expectations for us by the county

[3:44:10] of supervisors, and we can't afford to drop the call more and much behind in terms of

[3:44:17] a new obligations to the board for this coming year, may I would like to recommend

[3:44:23] if it's appropriate for bylaws, may that we add an article entitled annual project slash

[3:44:29] reporting, and that we annually put specific dates where my, we will establish our annual

[3:44:39] priority to apply with the Board of Supervisors'

[3:44:44] move policy and that we have a grant,

[3:44:49] with poor annual report of the move accomplishments

[3:44:53] and expectations for this year and expectations

[3:44:56] to the following year.

[3:44:58] So we don't find ourselves in there.

[3:45:00] All this, doing something that was required of us new in it. So, I know that it's an additional amount of work, but I think it can be acquiring it, and by the way, I commend you serve me. When I went through the county regulation resolution, and I saw the amount of requirements that have been done here in the committee, it's substantial me.

[3:45:27] And I thank you, and I commend you for your role, and I'm

[3:45:32] looking forward to working with you to go ahead and

[3:45:36] comply with these reports.

[3:45:39] So I think we ought to, at the first meeting,

[3:45:42] at the end of the year, specify more annual goals and objectives.

[3:45:49] And then, no later than, say, February 1st, we'll have a

[3:45:54] the draft ready of our accomplishments and goals for the succeeding year so that we can present

[3:46:00] that to the board by the deadline of April of April 1. Thank you for the succeeding opportunity.

[3:46:10] So, I think we got to point.

[3:46:16] Could you repeat what you said article three?

[3:46:20] Yeah, again Mr. Chairman.

[3:46:24] Article 3 is Article 2 under purposes of the committee.

[3:46:30] In section 3 at the end, add the language comma,

[3:46:36] including proposed changes to the MOU between the County of Maraposa

[3:46:42] and the National Park Service.

[3:46:46] So, I'm sorry, what's up in the movie?

[3:46:49] Is an article two section three?

[3:46:52] First page.

[3:46:53] Section C?

[3:46:58] Um...

[3:46:58] Yeah.

[3:46:59] Maybe I don't have the right one.

[3:47:01] Section C.

[3:47:02] Are you working on Facebook?

[3:47:04] Yeah, that's the old one.

[3:47:06] Yeah, that's the old one.

[3:47:06] Sorry.

[3:47:07] Yeah.

[3:47:08] Sorry.

[3:47:08] Is there anything in the new one?

[3:47:10] Is there anything in the new one?

[3:47:15] It's the one from the board package.

[3:47:17] I'm starting Mr. Chairman.

[3:47:19] I got the one by all of us.

[3:47:21] Well, maybe I could just have three of them on paper.

[3:47:25] So if they do not have the county emblems at the top of them,

[3:47:28] they're not the newly revised bylaws.

[3:47:33] Yeah.

[3:47:34] I want to go.

[3:47:34] One more.

[3:47:35] That looks so bad.

[3:47:36] Okay.

[3:47:37] All right.

[3:47:38] Okay.

[3:47:39] Well, Mr. Chairman.

[3:47:42] Oh, I see, there's no.

[3:47:47] So I'm sorry, Rick, what, what is, I'm sorry, what is it that you, you want the by-laws to reference

[3:47:53] the MOU?

[3:47:55] He wants to, he's proposing to change the purpose of the committee to include having, as say,

[3:48:03] and proposed changes in the MOU between the county and the MOU.

[3:48:07] Mr. Chairman, I'm not going to roll that part of my request because I see it.

[3:48:12] It's already included in Section B of the Milo by Laws in Is that Lou?

[3:48:19] Yes.

[3:48:20] Yes.

[3:48:20] We'll take it talks about the MLU between May and May and May.

[3:48:25] So I have a draw.

[3:48:27] I mean, I'm not sure as to how it is.

[3:48:31] So for me.

[3:48:32] I always present that to you.

[3:48:35] Me?

[3:48:36] I said it wasn't that.

[3:48:48] I'm sorry, Roger, what information?

[3:48:51] What information?

[3:48:51] Well, okay, do you look at the first page and go to the page by a second.

[3:48:56] Look at the first page.

[3:48:58] The second page.

[3:49:00] The first page.

[3:49:02] In production and service.

[3:49:08] Oh, I see.

[3:49:11] And there's a page that's missing.

[3:49:16] I don't know.

[3:49:18] And that's the rule that we've heard of.

[3:49:21] And then I see a picture.

[3:49:24] No.

[3:49:26] Is this something?

[3:49:30] this is fine, this is fine to go to a distrust and we can help it.

[3:49:35] So, the lack of, when you choose to do it, it's not connected to some of the systems.

[3:49:39] You never get it, you have to.

[3:49:42] How many of those families have you set it?

[3:49:44] This has the, in the top, of the month this has parts is best find,

[3:49:51] I find for teachers, there's one right here?

[3:50:03] So it would be packet page 161, and it does start with Article 1 purpose and authority.

[3:50:09] And it states Section A, this committee is established under authority of resolution number 99-10

[3:50:15] in 98-197 and ordinance 973.

[3:50:27] This is the packet I pulled off the county website.

[3:50:40] I am the issue is that there is something missing, the bus chair, and then there should be

[3:50:46] something missing about the secretary, right, and there should be a case where there is

[3:50:51] a case where there is something missing about that.

[3:50:55] Now, these are the ones that were adopted in 2013.

[3:50:58] And these are really impacted?

[3:50:59] Yeah.

[3:51:01] Yeah.

[3:51:01] Yeah, if you want, you can push this to the next level if you want until it can be.

[3:51:11] That's the only choice you have to make sure they get all the information.

[3:51:15] So you can make a motion to propose moving into.

[3:51:22] All right.

[3:51:24] I'm not going to get through the bylaws today.

[3:51:27] I apologize.

[3:51:28] Well, there's obviously so the information, sorry, the information at the bottom of the page,

[3:51:37] that's titled Volonetown Planning Advisory Committee bylaws, it is a section C, which talks

[3:51:44] about the duties of the chairperson, and there's obviously some in a line or two that is

[3:51:52] section D, that talks about the secretary, and then the role of the secretary, which means

[3:51:58] who maintains a list of all that, the group, or similar to Sharia.

[3:52:01] So there's a sense, or two, that are missing, and we're going to talk about the problem.

[3:52:13] Okay.

[3:52:15] Okay.

[3:52:17] Procedurally, it's probably best that somebody make a motion to table this conversation

[3:52:21] to the next meeting, so the proper wording can be added.

[3:52:26] Okay, next meeting is not until I don't know, okay, but let's finish the meeting to make the motion.

[3:52:37] Okay, do we have a motion?

[3:52:38] I'll make the motion that we table the update to the by-law's Mark Holster County Board of Supervisors until we have complete information and documentage.

[3:52:55] If we need a second.

[3:52:56] The second is there.

[3:52:57] Okay, I'm sorry.

[3:53:00] Okay.

[3:53:00] and second it and any discussion?

[3:53:05] All in favor say aye.

[3:53:08] I'll vote.

[3:53:24] Next item down is approval of the minutes.

[3:53:28] I'm in bed.

[3:53:29] How did that would have been a minutes from our last meeting,

[3:53:34] which is on June 17, second year?

[3:53:39] Do I have a more can to approve?

[3:53:41] I wanted to be a program that's a program that needs to be set to be set to be set to be set to be set to be set to be set to be set to be set to be set to be set.

[3:53:46] I have this movement saying that in the discussion on paper, I pose none of the items that I have seen.

[3:53:55] By the same. We have trips, accidents, and the moves that we're not here.

[3:54:00] The summer holidays, I'm waiting.

[3:54:02] if that's not a form of the whole thing, we have a core, and we just have two people

[3:54:12] that are saying, but once they have stained, that's what you do.

[3:54:17] Still have to have a core.

[3:54:18] Still have a core.

[3:54:19] Yeah.

[3:54:20] You have to have a core.

[3:54:23] Yeah.

[3:54:24] Yeah.

[3:54:25] Moving on down.

[3:54:29] Integration item.

[3:54:30] Updates.

[3:54:31] Board of Supervisors.

[3:54:33] Okay.

[3:54:34] So what I will tell you is that we are more or less where we at this point respect to the ambulance day.

[3:54:53] We're more or less aware of the work, but I will read to you from the report from our lobbyist.

[3:55:03] He says, let's pray for those who may not have been here.

[3:55:07] The Senate of Corporations Committee voted to approve the funding,

[3:55:10] and we're going to show a remote development FBA bill on June 22, 2023.

[3:55:16] The Senate appropriations committee continue to approve

[3:55:19] their appropriations bills over the course of the month of July,

[3:55:23] with the goal of bringing all 12 appropriations bills to the full Senate

[3:55:27] in the month of September when you return from their annual August 3 sets.

[3:55:32] The purpose will need to negotiate a path forward on fiscal year 24

[3:55:36] more variations in order to avoid a government shutdown at the end of the current fiscal year

[3:55:41] on September 30th. The most likely path will be a short-term extension of existing funding

[3:55:48] into December to allow house and senate negotiators to reach an agreement on fiscal year 24th

[3:55:54] funding. In fiscal years 22 and 23, the house and senate has simply merged their respective

[3:56:01] list of approved earmarks, and we are told to anticipate the same measure.

[3:56:07] This would mean that if house incentive investigators are able to start the deal on fiscal

[3:56:13] year 24 funding, the county's earmark for the Hawaii ambulance, they would be included

[3:56:18] as part of that agreement.

[3:56:20] We do not expect this to happen before December of the year weeks.

[3:56:24] So basically it's still moving its way through the process, but the fact that it's moving

[3:56:29] through the process is in and of itself.

[3:56:32] Good news.

[3:56:33] What is specific fabric?

[3:56:36] Sorry.

[3:56:37] They have a specific location to do enough for the ambulance bag.

[3:56:41] Oh, OK.

[3:56:43] That goes back in time to, I guess they,

[3:56:48] I would say that what the county and the park have discussed,

[3:56:53] and I think, tacitly agreed upon,

[3:56:55] It is that the ambulance day would be constructed to me and adjacent to them in fire station.

[3:57:10] Yeah.

[3:57:12] Well, I mean, I think a lot of it has to do with the size of the existing.

[3:57:17] That's basically a size of the ambulance itself.

[3:57:19] And there's the original thing for it.

[3:57:22] Yeah.

[3:57:23] Yeah.

[3:57:23] Exactly.

[3:57:24] So that's what's happening on that.

[3:57:26] The other item, I mean, it's really late.

[3:57:31] So, the ammo on the ammo you, I think we've touched on that earlier.

[3:57:35] I have been talking with our new client commissioner, our baguette,

[3:57:42] who has, who is an

[3:57:43] attorney and has practiced for quite a number of years in the area of water law.

[3:57:49] And he has reached out to Jim Stahl and we're trying to schedule a meeting where the three of us can get together and talk about at least our vision is to how we want to present information for the committee to understand and discuss hopefully in some module of action.

[3:58:13] So we're we need to get together and do that and and I think our arts part of his vision is to bring somebody from the state water resources control board into the conversation as well

[3:58:27] So that we have all of the expertise that might be needed to have a productive conversation about water here in the world.

[3:58:37] Yeah, I think if you're request to a microphone, and there's a lot of other ammo use that is on the referred to in ours.

[3:58:50] And there's a lot of language in there that is quite important.

[3:58:55] And when don't talk about it, we read some of them, I said it's the first time I've ever heard of that.

[3:59:00] So I suggest to Kim that when the M.O.D. that we are to approve,

[3:59:05] we refer to another M.O.D. that we have that kind of dimension that we could.

[3:59:11] Well, I can certainly do that.

[3:59:14] I mean, their references to what Ed is talking about for those who may not know.

[3:59:20] I mean, their references to other M.O.D.s that have been negotiated between the county and the park with respect to, for example,

[3:59:29] who is a property who owns a building who's responsible for maintenance.

[3:59:35] That type of information.

[3:59:38] Those emojis are separate.

[3:59:40] So we're talking about the emojis.

[3:59:45] I don't have my notes.

[3:59:47] You refer to water issues and things like that.

[3:59:51] Water issues?

[3:59:52] That were in other documents.

[3:59:55] Which I've never heard of.

[3:59:56] Oh, okay.

[3:59:57] So you're asking a different question.

[3:59:58] Well, let me make sure

[4:00:00] We're in the MOU, if we first saw other documents, other agreements between the county and the parks, if we don't know those, we don't know them.

[4:00:11] Okay, to my knowledge, there's nothing that exists between the county and the park regarding water. The references in the MOU are to agreements that have been negotiated by our departments.

[4:00:23] So, for example, we're sure of his, you've created the Kelli Kelli and about law enforcement response.

[4:00:31] So, those, though, that package, that, in what that will be, at least, in umbrella for those.

[4:00:38] There are other documents that relate to water, that are not part of the M.O.U.

[4:00:44] So, like, for example, there's, I think it's a mere two-meter-seven document that is,

[4:00:49] parks, no observation plan with respect to MOU. Those are not more of the MOU between the county

[4:00:56] and the mark, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't pull those documents together and create

[4:01:05] a package that would be provided to the committee members prior to the meeting that we have to

[4:01:13] about the immoduted principle topic of which is,

[4:01:17] no, but it's not make sense.

[4:01:20] No, we won't.

[4:01:36] It's my understanding that it did pass the mystery here.

[4:01:44] But you know, I'm not.

[4:01:45] I am not a part of this inform.

[4:01:47] So this is what I've heard.

[4:01:49] That's what I'm all about.

[4:01:50] I'm just a mother.

[4:01:51] What level?

[4:01:52] What level?

[4:01:53] What was it?

[4:01:54] The general system of the park.

[4:02:00] I can't speak to the genesis. All I can tell you is that it was reviewed by internal

[4:02:07] parts service lawyers. Mr. Chairman?

[4:02:13] Yes. So we're not going to recap this issue today, but this all came about by virtue

[4:02:21] of the fact that we are notified of these proposed changes to the MOU.

[4:02:25] And I have, as an individual property on our wall on it, I have written to supervise

[4:02:32] a small com Mr. Amford and you, Mr. Chairman, expressing my deep concerns about the level

[4:02:40] of information and understanding this committee has with respect to this very, very complicated

[4:02:49] issue. And I have been poor county staff, again, just on behalf of myself, not this committee,

[4:02:58] although I think the committee ought to absolutely insist on it. I have been poor county

[4:03:04] staff to do the necessary work to provide this committee with comprehensive background.

[4:03:13] There is a, this is a really complex history to this MOU, and in particular, to the services that each side are to be provided.

[4:03:25] And, I believe, that this kind of small change in language will have drastic consequences to all property owners in the womb in terms of the property value.

[4:03:39] And if we're going to provide guidance to the Board of Supervisors with respect to and we should,

[4:03:47] with respect to our recommendations as to whether or not to accept this language, reject it,

[4:03:54] or come up with another solution, we're going to have to have a lot more information.

[4:04:00] I know my wife Katie has spent hours and hours going back dozens and dozens of years and

[4:04:08] we, this committee should have really significant concerns about what is being proposed at

[4:04:17] the very least to fully understand it, talk about it, and come up with recommendations to

[4:04:25] county and I've asked that county staff provide us that guidance and have offered in fact

[4:04:32] to provide county staff with all of the information that we have on the cover, if they would

[4:04:40] find that useful.

[4:04:42] So I just wanted to speak that.

[4:04:45] I don't want to come here on October to talk about this hugely impactful issue if we're not,

[4:04:53] If a whole packet has not been released to fully understand it,

[4:04:59] it's certain in terms of what action.

[4:05:02] Talk about it and come up with recommendations to the county in advance

[4:05:08] that county staff provide us that guidance and that offers the fact

[4:05:13] to provide county staff with all of the information you have.

[4:05:17] you guys don't call, you know.. if they did, if that is the generation you start.. so I just wanted to

[4:05:24] just say that, I don't, I don't I've heard, I don't want to come here and I've got left, I have lost

[4:05:28] question, if you're not, if you're not, you're there, I don't have to take it.

[4:05:35] I just wanted to fake that. I don't want to come here and I've got left, I've got to talk about

[4:05:48] It's a property in these discussions and that we're not left behind.

[4:05:55] I heard a discussion today about imminent domain.

[4:05:59] Guess what? That's still out there.

[4:06:01] And that helps. We have to know more about that.

[4:06:05] We need to know what happens if the park service washes its hands

[4:06:08] of giving us sewer and water and what that means to us conveying our properties to others.

[4:06:16] Or not just us, all of us, and we'll want what that means.

[4:06:20] What the implications are for our property value, if we can't tell whoever it is that we

[4:06:26] want to sell our property to, that they have a secure supply of water and sewer.

[4:06:33] And frankly, the current language is unacceptable and nothing is going to impact you and all of our citizens in the world and more than this issue.

[4:06:45] So we need help from the county staff to make sure that we have all of the information that we can consider before we meet again and talk about this issue.

[4:06:55] I also suggest that we need to be at the table, a supervisor, a small guy.

[4:07:02] I hear it, art bag it, you know, the other guy.

[4:07:05] I hear it, but it's art property, it's our livelihood, let pack needs to have avoidance

[4:07:16] and must have avoidance and should be involved in any discussions that occur with the park

[4:07:21] service.

[4:07:22] So to the extent that those discussions occur, I would hope that that we have a seat at the table and that this committee discusses who those people should be

[4:07:34] because of the importance of this issue.

[4:07:38] So enough say.

[4:07:40] So I'd like to thank our junior committee member for giving us all the history lessons.

[4:07:48] Ed, you need to press the button now.

[4:07:53] For giving us a history lesson,

[4:07:55] that some of these people that have won the committee now

[4:07:58] have been here many years, Roger Chapp,

[4:08:04] talking about 20 years, and some of them

[4:08:06] looked at any members that went back to generations.

[4:08:09] So we do understand that.

[4:08:11] And our job is to make sure that the county

[4:08:15] and the parks are the same as the county.

[4:08:18] So don't let sure to the committee

[4:08:24] I guess let me just, I

[4:08:30] think I need to, I guess let me just put this out because I'm not sure exactly how we want to proceed.

[4:08:37] In my mind,

[4:08:41] there is so much information that has been created by the park.

[4:08:52] There's information on the county side.

[4:08:55] There's the information that Katie presented prepared, which is voluminous.

[4:08:59] I think from my experience, all of that can be put into a packet that's released to the members.

[4:09:08] along with other information that are just all whoever can identify, that we hope could pull it together at some level because there are pages and pages and pages and pages.

[4:09:28] And I think the question really becomes one,

[4:09:35] does the next meeting become the eight-hour meeting?

[4:09:38] I mean, because if we, you know, the subject of water, I take your point, it's extremely

[4:09:45] serious,

[4:09:48] and it's not something that, especially if you want to go into all of that

[4:09:53] history and including the conservation plan, for example, that was prepared about a bar.

[4:10:00] That's a long, long meeting.

[4:10:02] So I just want to bring that up.

[4:10:03] We can put together a package that has large quantities of information.

[4:10:10] It's going to take us time to get through that.

[4:10:13] So we're going to have to think about the length of the next meeting.

[4:10:16] And I appreciate your comments.

[4:10:18] I guess in our experience with a board or committee,

[4:10:25] staff is charged with preparing a staff report.

[4:10:29] There's no staff report on this very important issue.

[4:10:34] And so you're right, there's voluminous information,

[4:10:37] but I think that the length of time of the meeting

[4:10:40] would be shortened dramatically if staff were to prepare a report

[4:10:48] of the history section with a consequences of no action

[4:10:53] or adopting the language and with a possible

[4:11:00] alternative solutions, and that's how the committee process has always worked in my experience.

[4:11:07] And same thing with the Board of Supervisors, I'm sure staff prepares board reports for you, which has those essential elements,

[4:11:15] so that your board meetings don't last days and weeks, because a lot of that has been sent this time.

[4:11:21] And that's why I said other information yet to be generated, because that, I mean, I can't, I have no idea what that's going to be.

[4:11:30] Our staff, they are not experts in water law.

[4:11:35] So, you know, it'll be somewhere between our baggage and install myself.

[4:11:39] I don't know who else, somebody from the State Water Resource Control Board, to pull together some re-information and maybe identify recommendations.

[4:11:50] But yeah, it's going to be a big package and we're going to have to pull it together in some meaningful way otherwise we will never get to it.

[4:11:59] But even so, I think it's going to be a very long conversation.

[4:12:04] Go back to some of our minutes.

[4:12:06] We had a meeting that we had the Forest Service, the Park Service, the geological survey that we've been done, we're all in attendance.

[4:12:17] And it pretty much came to the point that the governing agencies had to act and they did not want to.

[4:12:25] The water, the U.S. Geological Survey says, our answer to our own water is Billy B. Meadows.

[4:12:33] And the four service who was in attendance said, we are not going to share our own words.

[4:12:39] And that's pretty much where it's stopped because the river doesn't provide enough water.

[4:12:46] And so, you know, if we're going to rehash the same thing, and I think nothing I'm giving up,

[4:12:54] but the answer is, is the forest service, giving up some of their water runs.

[4:13:01] Water comes to South entrance from Billy Dew, and to the Marathon's Gross.

[4:13:05] Let's not get into that yet.

[4:13:07] So I think, you know what I'm just saying, look at some of the history there, you'll see some stuff that we've already.

[4:13:12] Okay, but Mike, as Rick mentioned, we'll have to put options, but in the summary report,

[4:13:20] I'll call it for lack of a better term right now.

[4:13:25] Whether or not that's a realistic option, I suppose we can include it, but then we get into the question,

[4:13:30] I mean, this is huge, and it could take days to get through the whole thing, but my point

[4:13:38] is simply that if let's say we identify that as an option,

[4:13:47] I guess my preference, the way

[4:13:50] that I tend to try to work, at least, would be to go to the Forest Service and say, are

[4:13:56] you even willing to consider this?

[4:13:58] And if their answer is not only no, but heck no, I'm going to have to put that into the report, right?

[4:14:04] That says we approached, you know, Randy Moore, region five director, and he said, get out of my office.

[4:14:12] So we can go through, but the options that have to be identified will be options that cover the waterfront, but they will, but they'll be annotated based on the expertise of the folks who create that report.

[4:14:28] So, Randy is up in that position at that time.

[4:14:32] Nobody is now.

[4:14:34] So, if we want to try to ask the question,

[4:14:36] we're going to ask it a very,

[4:14:37] because they came from the district danger.

[4:14:41] So, I appreciate that.

[4:14:44] This is usually complex issue.

[4:14:47] But really, the focus of our committee is

[4:14:51] that the MPS by its language change

[4:14:54] wants to watch the tans of that discussion.

[4:14:56] They're saying, oh, I don't know. I don't know when we get it. Right. Yeah.

[4:15:00] So, that's all. We don't need to come up with all the solutions for where the water comes from. We just want to make sure the park service is at the table when those solutions are developed.

[4:15:11] I think we're in violent agreement. I mean, yes, the park service has to be at the table, and I believe they acknowledge that certainly in my conversations with Joe about, you know, this meeting.

[4:15:23] It was like, he couldn't come, but we know we all acknowledge that we have to put together

[4:15:29] a very substantive meeting that will be focused on the MOU, but really water.

[4:15:36] And so, you know, in order for us to make real progress, I think you're right, we've got

[4:15:41] to identify options.

[4:15:42] They have to be options that are reasonable.

[4:15:47] And if there was one that was floated that people don't want to let go of, then it's

[4:15:52] matter of going to the Forest Service and say, you know, are you even willing to talk with

[4:15:56] us?

[4:15:57] If the answer is yes, then that's a viable option.

[4:16:00] If the answer is no, never.

[4:16:03] Well, we'll annotate it that way.

[4:16:06] And, well, maybe focus on some of the other options more.

[4:16:09] You have to have a reasonable answer.

[4:16:14] I, you know, I, I do not understand telephony water law, which is why I'm so grateful

[4:16:20] the art bag get into install or going to work with me on this. To get into that next level

[4:16:27] of federal water law. Yeah, that is something who Jim Paul. Say what?

[4:16:34] Could you explain who Jim Paul is? Art bag and Jim. Oh Jim stole. I'm sorry. I didn't

[4:16:41] you explain to the group who he is. I'm not sure. Okay, so Jim is a property owner in

[4:16:48] Number one, number two, as I understand it, he was the, I don't know, the principle, the director, the chief executive at Los Angeles Municipal Water Company, which is, as you can imagine, huge.

[4:17:07] And he is now served, he's retired from that position and he's now serving on, I think it's called the Southern California Regional Water Quality Control Board.

[4:17:19] I mean, I don't have the name except the right.

[4:17:21] But he is someone who has considerable knowledge and expertise in water regulations, I'll say, as opposed to law.

[4:17:34] and an operation of plants in various communities.

[4:17:40] And he brought to you actually the expertise and data on that part of the planet.

[4:17:44] The subjects and the impact.

[4:17:47] With regional water quality and solar.

[4:17:50] Not sure what year.

[4:17:52] Just that these are well experienced people.

[4:17:57] Now he reached out to me after the last full meeting that I attended.

[4:18:00] And I happened to mention his name to our packet, and I said, if he's willing to talk to us, grabbing quickly.

[4:18:09] So we did. And the fact that he's of a bone of property, obviously, is significant, just in terms of his knowledge of the community and his commitment to work in behalf of the community.

[4:18:24] And to a point that you were making before,

[4:18:30] we do have the ability in agreement and through

[4:18:34] the percent of the monthments that hurt for them, but that's not a very specific one,

[4:18:38] to talk to the part of any meeting between the county and the part service that has to do with

[4:18:45] the woman.

[4:18:52] It's also part of the community adopted purpose, I won't say it.

[4:18:56] Well, that's a part of the idea.

[4:18:59] No, no, no.

[4:19:00] It's in the annual plan.

[4:19:01] Oh, God.

[4:19:03] And you're reporting.

[4:19:04] I don't think so.

[4:19:06] I don't think so.

[4:19:07] There's an answer.

[4:19:09] There's an action on this.

[4:19:10] I don't know.

[4:19:11] It's not.

[4:19:13] Okay.

[4:19:14] I'm sorry.

[4:19:14] No, no.

[4:19:15] I think.

[4:19:15] Well, unless you folks have questions.

[4:19:18] I mean, I think those are the two topics.

[4:19:20] And we can add it for four and a half hours on this.

[4:19:23] What?

[4:19:24] Your pleasure, if there are other things that you would like me to talk about, I'm happy to be there.

[4:19:29] Does anybody have any other questions about supervisor?

[4:19:32] Just one.

[4:19:34] You mentioned that the October 6 date might not work.

[4:19:39] When will that be?

[4:19:41] Is that on the county side?

[4:19:42] Staff side or lower?

[4:19:43] Well, it's our baggage install, county park service,

[4:19:50] potentially state water resources control board. So we've got to coordinate. Yeah. Thank you.

[4:19:59] Thank you very much. Okay, and the same you gave us a report from I guess.

[4:20:05] Mark that.

[4:20:06] As far as the position.

[4:20:07] We don't have anybody here from the Park Service.

[4:20:12] So there are other hearings.

[4:20:13] So can I just reiterate in case people aren't aware.

[4:20:16] there is a legislative hearing in the park. I think it's actually today.

[4:20:23] And we missed it.

[4:20:31] It's hard to say the staff was entirely consumed with getting ready for that,

[4:20:35] as you can imagine. Not to mention dead tolerance is it a few days ago?

[4:20:39] So apologies from the park.

[4:20:43] Next I'm moving on down to future agenda items.

[4:20:48] We'll want it all course of it.

[4:20:50] I can give you real quick update.

[4:20:53] Wayne and I drove the course, they're working on it.

[4:20:57] They've got all the third ways of moving.

[4:21:00] Two local golfers, but out in his phone,

[4:21:03] but they play, sort of, that I don't know where to go.

[4:21:08] The 70s pair of ways of moving is seven.

[4:21:11] Seven, okay, yeah.

[4:21:13] The golf course is kind of played, okay, the pretty good golf course and the only

[4:21:20] golf course is being built.

[4:21:23] But that's better than not getting open.

[4:21:28] Yeah.

[4:21:28] And then kind of goes on and on.

[4:21:30] Okay.

[4:21:32] Next is a community needs for water storage.

[4:21:35] And again, these are items that could come up in the future.

[4:21:38] And we're kind of preserving that.

[4:21:39] Just kind of laying out there right now.

[4:21:42] SDA camp or water project update, I can actually give you a nominal comment on that.

[4:21:49] I did connect with them, finally, and go up and down the left of the ladder to do it.

[4:21:56] And they are sending me, in fact, a puddle of something, you know, describing what they're doing.

[4:22:01] But mostly, their focus right now is getting the Rhode Alliance correct and dealing with the importance

[4:22:06] to have a part of the small lab, and they're very, they generally are pleased with the

[4:22:12] way things you're doing. So nothing as far as a major development at this point, but that's

[4:22:19] what they're up to. I need to pick up that again, that's something we'll come up again next year.

[4:22:27] And update on the ambulance fan, I think the supervisor already gave us that update a little bit

[4:22:32] So that takes us down to the last.

[4:22:36] On that note, so our temporary or possible date is up to what?

[4:22:44] I've come in six.

[4:22:45] If I notice it by the end of that.

[4:22:49] If we have one regularly scheduled meetings,

[4:22:53] and more than the two or three times a year,

[4:22:58] members of the board would be able to set their schedules

[4:23:02] to be involved in. And the most important thing, the meetings would be shorter. The meetings

[4:23:08] have, it's almost 1-3. So, you know, we try to do things that we're hoping that they

[4:23:16] can fit the agenda, but it would help focus the discussions. But we have two fairly large discussions

[4:23:22] between the, uh, what the counting is, takes care of with the, you know, waste, solve it with

[4:23:29] management and all like it's just a way for them. We actually we will continue to try to keep

[4:23:35] communities to have regular and discount meetings or are they just one need it.

[4:23:41] It's based on bylaws. So each community's plans and meeting dates are based on bylaws.

[4:23:48] Summer when needed others are set once a month, once every month so it's generally again based on bylaws.

[4:23:56] So, we get fired if we missed three meetings.

[4:23:58] You get fired, why?

[4:23:59] If we missed three meetings.

[4:24:01] Yes.

[4:24:01] Three meetings, right?

[4:24:03] Consec it.

[4:24:05] No.

[4:24:05] Of course.

[4:24:06] That would be the good to do by law.

[4:24:09] We make them so important, right?

[4:24:15] That's not going to mean what we're going to do.

[4:24:16] No.

[4:24:16] We've got to do public meetings.

[4:24:18] Public meetings.

[4:24:20] And notice.

[4:24:21] So, none of our meetings could come by law.

[4:24:24] So, yeah.

[4:24:27] Yeah, as Richard suggested, you could set a committee,

[4:24:32] consent committees, that might work, for example, on the developing the comments on the

[4:24:38] STR study, and conceptually, obviously, the subcommittee would do the work, then they

[4:24:43] bring something before the committee as a whole to weigh in on, before it goes to the

[4:24:49] supervisors. But, and you can meet in groups that are less than the quorum, which here is

[4:24:57] six. Although, you know, we, as board members, we try to, we try to limit the number of conversations

[4:25:07] that we have about items of business, which is the term of art in this area, to discussions

[4:25:15] in the door chambers. I might team up with another board member, for example, if I'm thinking

[4:25:21] about some new ordinance and I want to get some feedback. But if it's something that's going

[4:25:29] to come before the board, you have to be real, and in this case the committee, you have to be

[4:25:33] pretty careful about who you're talking to and how many folks you're talking about.

[4:25:38] that people have in the trial of free and in the lives that we could use soon.

[4:25:42] We cannot undercurrent stay alive.

[4:25:45] You can't use them.

[4:25:47] The only, I mean, what, so I serve on a variety of ports and commissions in, like, ours

[4:25:54] authority boards, but what, in what some have done, for example, I serve on the board for

[4:26:02] the yards, the Yosemite area regional transit system, and what they do is they have meeting

[4:26:13] location in, say, a man's legs, they have one in Fresno, they have one in Merced, they're

[4:26:23] asking that we have one in their post. So I'll let our board clerk weigh in on where we are

[4:26:30] But I mean, it becomes very complicated to do what we did under Zoom.

[4:26:38] In fact, it's essentially impossible.

[4:26:41] The only way that you could do it would be to ensure that if you,

[4:26:46] if you and Alton and Chuck are calling in from another location,

[4:26:49] that you would have to ensure that members of the public could freely access that location

[4:26:56] and that your address, assuming it's coming up calling in from your home, is included on the

[4:27:04] notice of the meeting. That's unfortunate. You're going to submit it. I have virtually

[4:27:09] a fixed position too. You need to talk about the same thing in the phone. I'm just gonna come back.

[4:27:18] No, I mean, COVID was a blessing in that we got to keep things moving through, but, you know,

[4:27:25] remotely but we're pretty much

[4:27:31] faction where we were pre-COVID in terms of

[4:27:33] rainy meetings.

[4:27:37] We have an ocean to the adjourn.

[4:27:42] We have a second.

[4:27:43] We've been sitting on favor.

[4:27:46] I have a discussion.

[4:27:50] So we adjourn at 1.30.

[4:27:55] 1.29.

[4:28:06] Types are generally just clerical errors.

[4:28:08] But if you want to go ahead and give them to me,

[4:28:11] and I'll give them to the planning department when I get back to the office,

[4:28:14] I just can't change them.

[4:28:16] I don't have that actual document.

Wawona Town Planning Advisory Committee - August 11, 2023

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