[0:00] I'm ready. Good evening, everyone. Very here for the May 12th, session of the historic district commission.

[0:12] We have our commissioners, our Hays, our Lena Gravero, Martha Iman, myself and our administrator.

[0:21] is Donna Douglas and with that we can turn to our first item of business. Mr. Hayes.

[0:32] Okay. First item of business. Excuse me. To approve the minutes of the April 9th,

[0:38] 2026 special meeting.

[0:43] I move to approve the minutes of the April 29 special meeting.

[1:01] Okay, so I carry this unanimously.

[1:05] It brings us to our next item.

[1:16] I apologize.

[1:17] I'm just running as fast as I can here.

[1:20] No problem.

[1:21] We're moving pretty quickly.

[1:23] Yeah, I'm just going to say you're very, very efficient.

[1:28] All right.

[1:28] Item number two to approve the minutes of the April 9.

[1:32] 2026 public heating.

[1:37] I move to approve the minutes of April 9 public meeting.

[1:45] Okay, I'll second. Yep. All those in favor.

[1:49] Hi.

[1:52] So that also carries unanimously.

[2:03] Item number three to take such action as the meeting may determine to approve a certificate of appropriateness application

[2:11] in HDC 26, 00, 001 did April 24,

[2:20] 2025,

[2:21] is that right, 2025,

[2:24] I propose, Cedar Fencing at seven wild rose road.

[2:29] PID number C, 11570, which is located in the Garm Avenue,

[2:37] local historic district.

[2:39] And you are correct, but should be able 24, 226, I will correct that.

[2:46] Do we have the applicant for seven wild rows here?

[2:51] Yes, I'm here.

[2:54] Good evening. Could you tell us a little bit about your application?

[2:57] Sure.

[2:59] So we submitted an application to fence the property.

[3:05] We haven't moved in yet, but we do have a large dog,

[3:09] who doesn't respond to underground fencing, so we wanted to put up a fence and also, you know,

[3:19] my thought was to make it pool code in the event that at some later date we want to do,

[3:24] it would have to be like a very small either hot tub or plunge pool, but that's something that I want

[3:31] keep it as an option. If we can, so that would, you know, necessitate having the property

[3:40] fence as well. So, our, you know, the plan was to, we did look around the neighborhood

[3:48] and really I think the only two things that I did see were tongue and groove and pick it.

[3:56] And that's, that was probably what I would have chosen anyway, because it's just,

[4:00] simplest, you know, modest, simple, historic, and so the, yeah. So that's that was our, our proposal.

[4:16] I don't know what you, I just realized that I had, I did submit that survey that has the lines.

[4:23] Do you want me to show you that and then show you the photos of the fencing or how do you want me

[4:28] do that. I think, you know, we have all the materials. So, you know, we're, we've all reviewed them.

[4:37] So, unless you have anything further to add, you know, we can refer to those in our

[4:42] deliberations such. Yeah, no, I don't have anything further. Thank you.

[4:48] Okay, so, are there any members of the commissions with comments on the fence at seven wild rows?

[4:54] Um,

[4:59] I only have a question on the survey, um, I don't know if it's loading on my end, uh, with the slight shift that, um, I just want to confirm that the four foot cedar packet fence is proposed.

[5:12] That, um, on the front edge of the wild rose road, as well as down either side, um, and then the six foot is proposed further in the backyard.

[5:24] Is that on the red? Okay, thank you. Yes, the colors and the wording seem out of sync on my end.

[5:31] Oh, okay. So yeah, so it's it's pick it from I'm cutting him and wild rose and that halfway back and then

[5:44] and that's for foot and then tongue is the green. Well, you may not see green going to the rear and then the, you know, along that back.

[5:53] Yeah, this is halfway for foot and then halfway green on that side.

[6:00] Yeah, and I think, I think what they typically do is do some sort of graduated thing. So it's not just like this, but it's the gradual step down.

[6:11] Thank you.

[6:14] Are there any other commissioners with comments on seven wildfresh?

[6:21] Okay, so I'm sorry, Martha.

[6:24] No, I have none.

[6:27] Yeah, I took a look at our design guidelines and Alainus.

[6:31] I mean, it was clarifying because the guidelines provide that the front yard binotic scene

[6:46] forfeet, which the applicant is telling us at all, and they also provide that for historic homes

[6:59] that split rails and brick are not suitable which this is not I think it is consistent with

[7:08] other homes in the neighborhood as the applicant has suggested those are my comments are there

[7:17] any members of the public here for the censored seven wild rows?

[7:26] Yes, this is my name is Al-Qaeda. I'm a live at nine wild rose road and this is my wife is Margaret. She's, there she is.

[7:35] It turns out in preparation for today going over the materials we discovered that the survey, there's a mistake in the survey, at least as far as what I can see.

[7:46] And that is that the split rail fence is

[7:54] is wrong on the survey it's it's in a different place on the survey on the actual property.

[8:06] So what happened was the reason that happened is Dali, who was the previous owner and peers that eventually placed about 10 years ago.

[8:17] and she was living on a fixed income and did not want to have a fence coming to

[8:22] come in and do a sell for it to replace it and she and I split the cost.

[8:29] So what we did was actually market and we did it ourselves, we done the holes and

[8:34] everything and put the posts in and we just followed the old fence, I guess that was

[8:42] a mistake because it turns up where we put the fence according to the survey is wrong. It's on

[8:51] seven wild roses property.

[8:59] So I would like to get a single garden to confirm that that's

[9:03] in fact true.

[9:08] Okay, so the application that we have today, sir, is for to determine whether the

[9:19] The proposed fencing is appropriate to the local historic district as that term is defined

[9:30] in the Connecticut General Statutes.

[9:33] So we don't have any purview over the siding of the fence other than, and so far as it

[9:44] as the sighting pertains to the Secretary of Interior's guidelines that I mentioned.

[9:53] So those guidelines provide us some instruction on the height of the fence with respect to the front and the backyard,

[10:03] and they give us some instruction concerning the materials of the fence.

[10:12] But what it doesn't give us is the ability to look at issues of like sighting, like you're talking about.

[10:23] So, and Donna will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the applicant here will have to go up.

[10:33] I mean, I actually don't know if you have to go to building for a fence of this nature.

[10:37] Would you, Donna, do you know that off end?

[10:39] if it's building your P&Z.

[10:42] Yeah, so the sighting of the fence is probably under the purview of another

[10:48] department, either P&Z or building our both, that would have to issue their own

[10:56] permit.

[10:58] You know, determine if it's sighted properly and if it's consistent with the rest of the

[11:09] Historically appropriate to the character in the local historic district,

[11:16] so it sounds like what's being proposed is probably more and more consistent with the rest of the district from my impression, but if you have any comments on, you know, the design of the fence, the materials are up there, you know, the materials that are being used so far.

[11:41] We're discussing today at this meeting.

[11:45] Okay, thank you.

[11:52] It's a little hard to imagine from the pictures from the photographs.

[11:58] How the fence is going to look in relationship into the neighborhood.

[12:05] I did not see other fencing in the neighborhood at all.

[12:08] That was mentioned certainly not the six foot.

[12:11] and I didn't see any, there is one house that has a pick of fence, but it's down the door

[12:16] of it. It's not in the front of the house.

[12:22] So, so, any other, you know, the issue, but deciding

[12:24] of the fences, the fences, at least part of the fence will be on top of a stone wall, which will

[12:29] make it a lot higher than 4 feet tall. So, I don't know how that plays into the, to the, I think that

[12:42] is a relevant point. The six feet in the back, that's consistent with the guidelines because

[12:50] again, our jurisdiction in this commission is just what's visible from the public way.

[12:55] And then the construction materials and methods are consistent with the local historic district.

[13:03] But if the four foot fence is on top of a two foot wall, that would potentially mean that it's

[13:10] higher than a four-foot fence. So, could you shed some light on that? Could the applicants shed some light on that?

[13:17] But from the neighbor? Yeah, so I actually wasn't, I'm not 100% sure what the best way to handle that is,

[13:26] but because the wall itself, I don't think is like completely more murdered, you know what I mean?

[13:35] Like, I don't know that it's able to hold a fence.

[13:40] So, you know, the fence could actually go on the inside,

[13:42] like on our side of the stone wall potentially.

[13:48] The only, and I think that's probably how the fence

[13:53] people would handle that,

[13:55] just put it on the inside of the stone.

[13:58] But the problem, the only issue with that,

[14:01] and I haven't measured, I don't know for sure,

[14:03] But I think the stone walls pretty low, like maybe a foot or less, I'm not sure.

[14:11] If we were to try later on to put in a pool or a plunge pool or a hot tub or something

[14:20] and needed it to be pool code, if it is inside the stone wall, then that stone wall is

[14:28] a climbing hazard so that it, so four feet actually wouldn't be enough.

[14:32] So that's, you know, that that's what I was going to, you know, I wasn't sure how what you guys were going to say and that's what I was, you know, one thing I could suggest is that we could make it slightly higher if it's on the inside of the stone wall, but I don't know, do you understand what I'm saying? Sorry, I'm not explaining that.

[14:56] No, it makes sense that issue is that

[15:00] Is that our guidelines, day that, at least for the front yards in historic districts, they shouldn't be higher than four, whether it's on top of a stone wall or behind a stone wall?

[15:11] So it's kind of the same thing with the neighbor, with deciding the fence, we don't really have any purview over the, you know, the pools and things of that nature.

[15:20] We're just looking at whether the fence is consistent with the local historic district.

[15:26] So, if you had a four foot fence inside the stone wall in my view, that would probably be appropriate under the statute.

[15:35] Okay.

[15:36] So, I think, I get that.

[15:39] So, I think, yeah, as far as this particular point is concerned, I think, yeah, it just stays four feet.

[15:49] It goes inside the stone wall and then at some point later,

[15:54] if I do decide to try to get a permit to do a pool, then I'll just figure out, like maybe I can just

[16:03] do a little small pool fence, like deer fence or something from that corner of the house over

[16:10] where the six foot meets the four foot so that it kind of cuts it off the backyard.

[16:17] You know what I mean? Well that's something that you'll have to work out during the approval process

[16:21] for the poll permits with the building department. They will take exactly where it goes, so you'll

[16:28] be, you'll have the opportunity at that time. I'd want to add that there is a house

[16:35] that is, I guess across the street from you, they have bushes and hedges at the front and then

[16:45] there's four foot fencing that starts directly afterwards in their side yard and it progresses all

[16:51] all the way towards the rear and start to step up to a six foot fence where it meets the

[16:56] rear yard neighbors. It's a property next door to eight wild roads road. And they also do

[17:06] have that picket fence, you know, starting at the driveway and wrapping around partially. So

[17:14] There is evidence of a fence of the nature that you describe on the street, and the one

[17:23] that I described is very vividly visible from the street, and in keeping of that character

[17:33] is been described earlier is the historic, the appropriate, and the rest of the height that

[17:47] relates to the pool is a later disorderly. I agree. Yeah. Yeah, I only, I'm saying that just because

[17:56] I feel like there is, there is another solution.

[17:59] So it doesn't have to be higher.

[18:02] Yeah.

[18:03] So my only question is who looked just to go on maybe for Donna.

[18:08] And we vote to approve the application as submitted, or do we have just

[18:14] the motion have to reflect that the fence is going to be inside the wall?

[18:22] I think it depends on where you want the fence.

[18:26] If you want to inside the wall, then the motion should state it inside the wall.

[18:32] It should be inside the wall, and I think Mrs. Law did, I think she is correct.

[18:42] Most of these walls are not built to withstand posts and offense.

[18:47] They're usually rubble walls that are stacked.

[18:50] So, any fence outfit or a contractor of any type would likely place it on the owner side

[19:00] of the stone wall, because if it's placed on the other side, then they're in breach of other property.

[19:10] So it is a logical enforcement, sort of speak, to state that it must remain on the owner's side of the stone wall.

[19:21] Okay, I'm on the stone wall.

[19:25] If someone's willing to make a motion as it's written in the agenda, but with the

[19:33] Proviso that the four foot section of the wall is within the existing stone wall,

[19:42] I think that that would address the concerns of commission.

[19:48] It's not fair to say.

[19:50] Yeah, I can try to make a motion if you'd like, and we'll fumble through it together.

[19:56] Sounds good.

[19:58] I, to take such action to approve certificate of appropriateness for application HDC-26001 dated April 24th,

[20:12] for 2006 for Proposed Cedar Fencing at Seven Wild Rose Road, which is located in the Gorum

[20:20] Avenue Local Historic Districts with the following exceptions.

[20:25] The fence proposed must comply to the historic height restrictions of a maximum of four feet

[20:33] on street frontages and in this case, it must be installed on the owner side of the existing

[20:42] stone wall, not on the stone wall and not in front of facing the street. Does that sound?

[20:50] Yes, I second the motion. Did you get all that art? I'm writing as fast as I can.

[20:57] I can't see it if you'd like, and we got the right story to go back to.

[21:10] Okay, all right, we have a second.

[21:14] All right, then you want to take a vote.

[21:16] Yeah, I second in the motion and all those in favor.

[21:20] Hi.

[21:23] Okay, so the application motion carries with the,

[21:28] the provisions that we've added and thank you both for

[21:32] appearing, and for the neighbor at nine wild rows, I would check the genders at the building and zoning departments, and the next month or two, and you should be able to address your concerns about the sighting at that time.

[21:51] Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. Thank you.

[22:00] Next item number four on the agenda to take

[22:04] such action as the meeting may determine to oppose the issuance of the demolition permit for

[22:11] 12 morning side lane and require the full 180 day delay. Do we have the applicant for 12 morning

[22:21] Yes. Good evening, everyone. I am asking the commission to wave the 180 day 412 morning side.

[22:30] It is on a 0.35 of an acre piece of property and the house is built in 1950.

[22:40] There is both a house, the main house and then a separate garage off of the house

[22:47] And to our knowledge, there's no historic significance on the property, so happy to take any questions at the time.

[22:59] Thank you.

[23:00] Are there any members of the commission or any comments on 12 morning signs?

[23:16] Okay, hearing none.

[23:17] Are there any members of the public with any comments on the application on 12 morning signs?

[23:30] Okay, hearing nothing from the public.

[23:31] Do we have a motion and respect of 12 morning signs?

[23:35] I do, I move to wave the 180-day delay and allow the issuance of the demolition permit at 12 morning

[23:46] sideline and not require the full 180-day delay.

[23:54] I second.

[23:56] Was it in favor?

[24:01] Aye.

[24:04] Aye.

[24:05] Looks like the motion carries unanimously.

[24:08] Thank you.

[24:10] Thank you.

[24:13] Okay.

[24:14] Next item is number five on the agenda to take such action as the meeting mid-determined

[24:20] to oppose the issuance of the demolition permit for 56 part-trick road and require the

[24:27] full 180 day delay.

[24:32] We have the applicant for 56 part-trick.

[24:34] Yes, I'm here.

[24:37] Good evening.

[24:38] Could you tell us a bit about your application?

[24:40] Yes, my name is Nick Taylor.

[24:42] I'm the applicant for 56 part-trick road.

[24:45] The House was built on 1970, about 15 years old, and it has low feelings, and there's no way to be used.

[24:54] So we'd like to wait for the 180 events and grant us the application to do the demo.

[25:04] Thank you, sir.

[25:06] Are there any members of the commission who had comments on this application?

[25:16] Sorry, did you say the public or the commission?

[25:19] The commission's

[25:25] hearing none are there any members of the public with comments on this application.

[25:30] Yes, I'm Chris Vottis.

[25:33] I live at 64 part-trick road.

[25:40] And the way the lots are configured there,

[25:44] I am directly downhill from 56 part-trick road.

[25:51] I'd like to know since if it's going to be an immediate demolition, if there are any toxic

[26:02] substances that will be released into the air, number one, and how long will the noise

[26:14] and machinery, be working to do that, will there be any blasting because of that house

[26:24] and coming down to my property is all rock ledge when I try to make my foundation bigger,

[26:35] I could not because it would have required blasting, which would have damaged the existing

[26:45] house and surrounding houses because of the rock ledge.

[26:50] And I'm asking for a delay to perhaps the house could be remodeled on the existing foundation

[27:00] because I believe if anything larger as we have seen in West 4, 1800 square foot homes

[27:11] become 8,000 square foot homes that require a tremendous amount of digging, blasting,

[27:20] etc. And I don't know if this particular area of the neighborhood could sustain that

[27:31] without any environmental damage.

[27:36] Thank you.

[27:38] And Donna was just a commenter.

[27:43] I was just asking Donna was this the commenter who submitted a written comment and

[27:47] advance of our meeting as well.

[27:50] Okay.

[27:50] So I just wanted to know for the record.

[27:52] We also received a written comment in advance of today's meeting.

[27:58] was consistent with the comment that was just made from a record here. I believe the applicant had

[28:09] response or something to say about that. Yeah, so basically we're not touching foundation,

[28:15] text, we're not touching the foundation, we're building on existed foundation, the same exact house.

[28:22] in just the ways in this. We tend to, we pull the permit to remodel but the walls are beyond

[28:28] their pairs and to make sure the lady can have my phone number she wants to come to. Look at

[28:34] the property and welcome. There's nothing left, we need to have a day to take it down. There's nothing

[28:41] left except we try to do inside which will be a situation where it will be nothing. It's only outside

[28:47] a lot. It's a one day job. And if they ignore it, she can call me directly. We're

[28:53] there in person. Okay, okay. Okay, okay, it's a fine. Are you saying? I'm not

[28:59] actually a foundation. Okay, a foundation, a foundation. It stays. I mean, you're only

[29:04] removing the framing to clarify. The foundation is staying. And there's no

[29:08] additional foundation or expansion. It's just the new walls, new framing being put

[29:13] on old-footing and foundation walls.

[29:16] Then why is there a backhoe that's digging into the hill right now?

[29:20] Nobody did.

[29:21] Man Disney's digging.

[29:22] That's my backhoe.

[29:24] I was there myself.

[29:24] I was looking for the well.

[29:26] If you go there, you'll see what's searching for the right.

[29:29] Survey says 38 and we're looking for 34, always or 42.

[29:34] There was no digging.

[29:35] I was there myself.

[29:37] There's no digging.

[29:39] Before we go any further down the road, I do just want to point out

[29:43] But for an application such as yours, the standard that the Commission applies is whether

[29:52] the home has any remaining historic architectural or cultural.

[30:00] Are you such that a delay is warranted or the consideration and discussion of alternatives to demolition?

[30:14] So, while the, while the concerns of the comments are noted, it's kind of like the certificate of appropriate disapplication that we have for defense.

[30:28] The environmental aspects are probably the best address.

[30:36] This project goes before the observation department or the aspects of health districts,

[30:45] or the building department.

[30:46] Those would be the agencies that would have jurisdiction over that

[30:51] after the project.

[30:53] What we're doing today is determining whether

[30:56] to uphold this demolition delay to discuss the preservation of the historic structure.

[31:08] I would add that, based on what the applicant is saying, it seems like the structure will at least substantially be retained in this process.

[31:23] It

[31:27] might say, we can't hit the limit.

[31:30] So for the historical part, we don't see any historical but to meet the neighbor at the

[31:35] ease.

[31:36] In order to call a firm a discusses this, this, this, this, this and the hygienist of what

[31:40] was done is none.

[31:42] We not touch in foundation and we have their careful from the neighbors.

[31:46] It is a house, and the rest which is 52, 52, butchered to road, which is in Schatz and

[31:53] when I became in New York.

[31:55] I mean, if anybody is welcome to,

[31:57] and you are very careful in the United States,

[32:00] you'd like to make sure everybody's piece.

[32:02] But for the historic sites, we don't see any of those stories,

[32:04] but that's what's likely to, to avoid that.

[32:07] Like the Lidias concerned, she's welcome to call me directly.

[32:11] Thank you.

[32:13] So would your, you're not the applicant from Queenfrey,

[32:18] are you?

[32:20] Excuse me, sir.

[32:20] Okay, yes.

[32:21] So for the neighbor with the concerns, the applicant on this application, his contact information

[32:35] is in our meeting materials.

[32:38] He just indicated that he'd be happy to discuss this further with you about the concerns

[32:47] you have aside from the historic, pretty issue that's before us. So with that said, is there anyone

[32:58] else from the public that's here on the application for 56-partrick road?

[33:12] And hearing nothing,

[33:14] does anyone have a motion in respect of 56-partrick road? I do. I moved to wave the 180-day delay

[33:22] and allow the issuance of the demolition permit at 56 part-trick

[33:27] road and not require the 180 day delay.

[33:32] A second emotion.

[33:35] On those in favor.

[33:36] Hi. Hi.

[33:39] Okay, so the motion carries unanimously. Thank you, sir.

[33:47] Friends us to our next agenda item number six. Number six to take such action as the

[33:54] may determine to oppose the issuance of the demolition permit for 21 Burr Farms Road and require

[34:01] the full 180 day delay. Do we have the applicant on 21 Burr Farms? Yes. That's Alex from Coastal.

[34:13] Alex, could you tell us a bit about this one? Sure can. How's everyone doing tonight?

[34:18] Good, thank you. Good. So yeah, so the property, we're we were contracted

[34:23] by the owners to build a new home on the property 21 birth arms road, property sitting on 1.2 acres.

[34:33] The actual square footage of the other dwelling is 3,850 square feet built in 1951.

[34:44] And just like I said, we were contracted by the owners to build a new property at this at this address.

[34:49] And that is where we are.

[34:54] Thanks, Alex.

[34:57] Are there any members of the commission's

[35:01] with, that's a 21 burfarm's road?

[35:09] Hearing nothing, are there any members of the public

[35:12] with any comments on 21 burfarm's road?

[35:15] How many trees will be cut down old trees?

[35:22] That is a question I would have to fucking

[35:24] follow up with you, you know exactly like last the last that last project manager was talking

[35:30] about I can definitely you know then can get my number email out we can definitely you know

[35:35] if you were curious I'll run it by the project manager who's the one who actually handles the demo

[35:39] I only get the permits. The only reason I asked because on the corner of Sturgis Highway and

[35:46] in a whole farm road, that beautiful historic, the properties been absolutely, I mean it's

[35:56] just a climb, and same with the old gain or house on a whole farm road, how many old trees?

[36:05] I know it's not a structure, but the trees are healthy, they're old, they're majestic,

[36:12] And the clear cutting of these old trees that cannot be replaced, I feel, you know, are just as important as some of the homes.

[36:24] And they're not respected. It's like I feel like the land is not respected at all.

[36:29] For the age of the plantings and the trees and how it affects drainage and noise for the rest of the neighborhood, you know, I already lost.

[36:39] I have a 9,800 square foot house, two houses down.

[36:43] They cut down at every tree.

[36:45] I could hear the parkway now, you know, it's horrible.

[36:50] And I'm just hoping you consider being a little more careful

[36:54] with that property and going forward.

[36:57] I appreciate your input.

[36:59] I would have a pass on to it's even our project managers

[37:01] and owners, all that stuff.

[37:02] Thank you.

[37:03] Of course.

[37:04] Thanks.

[37:05] And I would just add for the, for our comments here on Burf farms and Alex Kent, you can connect with Alex, his, his, his contact information is in our meeting materials, but you'll see that when it comes to the cutting of trees, the, the cutting of trees that are solely on private properties,

[37:36] is not regulated by the town, which is part of the issue that you're talking about, but one

[37:41] of the things that is regulated is trees that are in the outright of way cannot be caught

[37:52] or pruned without or permitting something to the extent that the trees you're talking

[37:59] in the town right of way. That may be an additional, you know, permitting process where you

[38:08] will have the opportunity to address that. Okay, thank you.

[38:15] Okay, so with that said,

[38:17] is there anyone else in the public with any comments on 21 birth arms roads,

[38:24] hearing nothing

[38:25] do we have a motion on 21 birth arms roads? I do. I moved to wave the 180 day delay and allow

[38:32] the issuance of the demolition permit, and 21 Burf Farms Road, and not require the full 180 day delay.

[38:46] My second.

[38:49] All those in favor?

[38:52] Aye.

[38:55] And the motion carries unanimously.

[38:59] Aye, you guys so much, have a wonderful night.

[39:01] Thank you, too.

[39:06] I'm sorry.

[39:08] Don't please go ahead.

[39:09] Item number seven on the agenda to take such action as the meeting may determine to oppose the issuance of the demolition permit for 29

[39:20] Gioroad and require the full 180 day delay.

[39:26] Do we have the applicant on

[39:28] Gioroad here

[39:36] once for Gioroad.

[39:42] Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. This is the applicant for 29 Gioroad.

[39:47] I, how are you? I'm doing just the Andy. Could you tell us a bit about your application, please?

[39:56] Yeah, the house was built in 1955. We're just looking to demolish the existing structure, except the foundation, and we're going to add square footage to the property, taking it from approximately 1,080 square feet to 3,700 square feet.

[40:14] Okay,

[40:17] so there are the comments from the commission.

[40:23] The application in respect of guy or a road,

[40:32] hearing none, are there any members of the public?

[40:36] Any comments on 29 guy or a,

[40:49] I'm a cute house.

[40:50] I mean, I don't know, what's good,

[40:52] could you tell us a good about the condition of the home?

[40:56] It's an older house.

[40:57] It's a little smaller.

[40:58] has no garage, the old owner renovated it into a bedroom. It's outdated. It was a beautiful

[41:07] property in the area. We saw them with the neighbor did, and we were inspired to do the same.

[41:16] Yeah, it looks like it was one and a half stores at one point, but maybe not anymore.

[41:34] Were there any members of the public on 29-guire? The comments,

[41:42] hearing nothing, or does anyone have a

[41:45] in respect of a 29-guy or a do. I moved to wave the 180-day delay and allow the issuance of the

[41:53] demolition permit at 29-guy or road and not required the full 180-day delay. Thank you very much

[42:15] Okay, so I carry this unanimously.

[42:20] Thank you sir.

[42:23] Thank you guys very much. I do appreciate it.

[42:28] Next item is number eight on the agenda to take such action as the meeting may determine to oppose the issuance of the demolition permit for 48 Calvary Road and require the full 180 day delay.

[42:43] We had Alex here from Bluewater Home Builders.

[42:48] Our client has contracted us to go to the permanent process but also to build a new house eventually.

[42:56] What we have here is a house that was built in 1965.

[43:00] It's about 3,300 square feet and it's a two-story gear and gravel style colonial.

[43:07] don't see anything that would you know demon as historical or of any importance. So at that

[43:16] point just want to move forward and hopefully wave the 180 days. Thank you sir. Are there any

[43:25] members of the commission with comments on cavalry road

[43:33] hearing none are there any members

[43:35] So the public with any comments on Calvary Road,

[43:45] that does anyone have a motion concerning

[43:48] a remote?

[43:50] I do.

[43:51] I move to wave the 180 day delay and allow the issuance of the demolition permit at 48

[43:59] Calvary Road and not require the full 180 day delay.

[44:05] I second a motion.

[44:09] All those in favor?

[44:11] Hi.

[44:11] And the motion carries unanimously. Thank you, sir. Thank you, guys. Have a great night.

[44:18] You too. Have a good night. You do.

[44:23] Thanks. So that brings us to our next agenda item number nine.

[44:32] Number nine. To take such action as the meeting may determine to rescind adoption of the motion to oppose the issuance

[44:41] of the demolition permit at 4-Wage Grove Road, which motion was adopted at the April 9-2026 meeting.

[44:52] To me, have the applicant on 4-Wage Grove Road.

[44:56] Yeah, hello, Ben. It's Chris Montenaro. How you doing?

[44:58] I

[45:01] But you can't recognize some more detail on a moment. I just wanted to let the commission know what was done on our end.

[45:10] I spoke with Elaine, who is not with us today, but who spoke with Chris and did some investigation of her own and respect of the property.

[45:22] and what she told me was that an alternative to demolition were considered moving the property

[45:30] was not feasible, moving the structure was not feasible because of electrical wires that

[45:37] were in the way and further consideration where I left off of the lane was that due to flood

[45:52] that if the structure was to be saved, it would have to be raised, which would likely

[45:59] you know, militate against, you know, a feasible plan, feasible alternative to demolition.

[46:13] The one thing Chris maybe you can add was he had said that, you know, she wasn't sure exactly

[46:21] what the elevations of the home were. So maybe if it was an eight feet already, it wouldn't be

[46:26] such a terrific change. I don't think it was. Maybe you could speak to that.

[46:31] And whatever other inquiries you've made since our last meeting. Yeah, thanks, Ben. Yeah.

[46:38] So all those things you just said in our true. Yeah. And this house has been in the the

[46:49] 50, 60 plus years and you know, the house was, you know, house is not on any inventory, historic

[46:55] list or, you know, district, as you know, and it's really, never been, never been preserved,

[47:04] and intended to be preserved, you know, the family, you know, of course, if they wanted to,

[47:09] you know, over the years, you know, get some sort of protection on the home, they could of,

[47:15] but it's really, it's gone through a lot of permutations

[47:18] and additions, and clearly neglected.

[47:23] And yeah, as I did look at, you know,

[47:27] exploring 32-18, and moving it somewhere,

[47:33] but the property does have those constraints.

[47:37] Part of it is in the flood zone, you know,

[47:40] it does have issues that just make it not feasible

[47:45] to, you know, to do, you know, 32-18 or, you know, keeping the existing structure to, the house is really,

[47:57] it just, you know, it needs to come down. And my clients, you know, I can't work with it the way it is.

[48:04] And I explored, you know, other options and, you know, this property has some challenges. So,

[48:09] just respectfully, hopefully, you guys could see that and, you know, you guys could not uphold the remaining months that are left.

[48:21] I think Chris, are there any commissioners with any questions or comments for Chris on four Woods Grove?

[48:27] My

[48:33] part, yeah, I think there was some pretty decent inquiry that was made it to outside

[48:42] at our last meeting, a pretty decent record that was pushed on the property, the last

[48:50] meeting, I'm in addition to one of the alternatives we discussed then, we also had another

[48:59] attendee of the meeting who gave us some insight as to the interior of the home, which was

[49:08] significant disrepair, which was another, uh, clear that might make an alternative to demolition,

[49:15] not feasible, in this case. It was satisfied that a good faith effort, uh, been made to explore

[49:24] I'll turn it in on four woodscroaf.

[49:29] But that said, are there any members of the public

[49:33] with months on four woodscroaf?

[49:40] Hearing none, does anyone have a motion on four woodscroaf?

[49:44] Actually, Ben, I have one question for Donna.

[49:51] Just a administrative question.

[49:54] I was not at the the April 9 meeting. If I were to use myself, we used to have a quorum.

[50:06] We still have three, yes.

[50:08] Okay, then I'm going to recuse myself on this just because I was not here for the original discussion.

[50:13] Okay, so we're okay.

[50:16] All right, that's um, thank you all. That's a good point. And thank you for staying on the line. I know you probably were going to turn into a pumpkin eight minutes ago.

[50:24] Yeah, if I can keep going, we'll finish on this one and then you can jump off for the next one.

[50:31] No problem, yeah.

[50:34] Okay, so to anyone else out of motion on forward scroll,

[50:42] I will make a motion to rescind the adoption of the motion to oppose the issue

[50:48] and to the demolition per minute forward scroll,

[50:51] which motion was adopted at the April 9th, 2026 eating.

[50:56] for a second.

[51:03] I'll sadly second.

[51:05] Yeah, it's unfortunate because it is a great house.

[51:10] There was a way to save it.

[51:12] I think that would be great.

[51:15] These are the tough ones when you have this level.

[51:21] It's not quite a band and there was someone living in it.

[51:24] that with the flood zones, I think that's just one extra meant.

[51:34] So with that, all those in favor,

[51:42] yeah,

[51:45] the motion carries unanimously with Art's

[51:47] refusal.

[51:49] Thank you, Chris.

[51:51] Thank you guys for your consideration, effort.

[51:53] Thank you.

[51:59] Okay, so, last item, if you have to go, you know, we can just, I think you're going.

[52:07] Okay.

[52:07] It's no problem.

[52:08] Thank you.

[52:10] Okay.

[52:11] This last item, I just want to, let me just pull up the comments that I got from the Center

[52:16] Green Associated and still.

[52:20] I'm sorry.

[52:21] Item number 10.

[52:24] To review and comment on the draft letter to the town.

[52:27] and its departments considering private funding

[52:30] the treatment actions to the West Parish site.

[52:38] OK, so you guys have seen this letter.

[52:41] We got contacted from a group interested neighbors

[52:48] that want to give a bit of background.

[52:51] There's a 2011 preservation plan that resulted

[52:54] in the historic designation of the West Parish site.

[52:57] It's set for the number of treatment actions for the site to improve its accessibility and

[53:05] reserve the birth character, the property, and those

[53:14] treatment actions have taken place, many of them have not.

[53:19] This center-green association

[53:24] was to fund privately certain of the improvements to

[53:30] it.

[53:31] Brails throughout the property that will allow people to access, you know, to walk through

[53:38] and access of boardwalks over the wetlands portion and boardwalks trails that will allow

[53:46] to walk through and experience the site and also interpretive signage that will explain the significance

[53:57] of the site, the visitors, and improve historic and educational and other aspects.

[54:07] The purpose of this, as you'll see in the letter and in the preservation plan,

[54:13] those treatment actions require the approval, the permits, the approval,

[54:18] in the cooperation of the town for several of those items, removing and removing weeds

[54:27] and invasive species, instructing the boardwalk over designated wetlands in the like.

[54:36] So when they reached out to us, obviously, this is not a, this is a locally historic

[54:46] designated historic property, if the Center Green Association is to go forward with this my

[54:55] expectation they would have to apply for a certificate of appropriateness for these changes as well,

[55:03] but as an initial step they're going to have to get a property owner which is the town

[55:09] to agree and they're going to have to get various departments of the town to approve of this work

[55:15] in addition to the Historic District Commission.

[55:19] So these retreatment actions that our commission

[55:21] previously recommended and voted on and approved.

[55:27] And so this letter simply expresses

[55:29] to the appropriate departments

[55:31] that this is something that the HTC would like to see.

[55:35] We're supportive of this project.

[55:39] And then we'd like to offer persistence

[55:42] they require, they've seen the draft letter, I also received some additional comments which

[55:52] I'm going to read into the record now,

[56:02] okay, so one comment was,

[56:09] they are concerned

[56:13] about the environmental aspect of the placement of the boardwalks as opposed to

[56:25] the, as opposed

[56:26] of the trails, so they, because of the environmental sensitivity, so they do not want to go

[56:32] forward with the boardwalk,

[56:37] and they want to put up markers and signage in a way that

[56:39] sensitive to the wetlands and the environment.

[56:45] Their purpose would be to highlight this

[56:47] significant to the site as part of the cultural and historic heritage.

[56:53] It will include the

[56:54] significant as a site in the commemorations of the 250th anniversary of the country, their

[57:06] view

[57:07] that the Greens Farms Association has supported all these plans.

[57:11] I'm sorry to interrupt you. I have to jump off.

[57:15] Yeah, please.

[57:15] I apologize.

[57:16] No, thank you, every time.

[57:17] Thanks, Elena. Thanks for taking this.

[57:19] Thank you.

[57:20] Good night.

[57:22] The Jennings Trail Committee also supported the plans. I believe I had that in the letter,

[57:28] other comment.

[57:35] They have

[57:42] DFA. Is supportive of this? I

[57:49] believe is the some and substance of their comments.

[57:58] So, I think the appropriate thing to be would probably be to vote on this letter with those changes.

[58:06] I mean, maybe I'll just revise it and have it on next month and we can just have a very quick.

[58:13] We'll have our discussion tonight, and then we can have a very quick vote next month,

[58:17] when I incorporate the changes that we've just discussed.

[58:22] But for the purpose of discussion tonight, it would be a letter that is drafted.

[58:27] It's in the materials with these comments that I've just read into the record.

[58:32] So with that said, does anyone from the Commission have any sort of comments on the letter to the

[58:40] and its departments concerning the treatment actions at the West Paracite.

[58:49] Hearing nothing, does there any members of the public?

[58:55] Any comments on this draft letter?

[58:58] The comments that we received on the letter for the treatment actions of the West Paracite?

[59:10] Okay.

[59:12] I don't think a motion is really necessary,

[59:14] down, because we just did review and comment on the letters. Is that fair to say?

[59:21] Yeah, especially if you're going to redo it again for next month. So this was discussion held.

[59:27] Okay. The discussion was held.

[59:30] And the government's update inquiry,

[59:40] a lot of the high notes we received some additional

[59:46] increase about the ozoneing relief

[59:52] from some homeowners and we will, we have received an app.

[1:00:00] Locations, we provided some guidance to them that. So, there may be more to come in the next couple of months on those two items.

[1:00:18] We, those two homeowners that have contacted us. Is there anything else I'm missing down there?

[1:00:26] No, thank you for a successful preservation awards night last week.

[1:00:31] Yes. Thank you for everyone who attended and everyone who put in all the work to make it happen.

[1:00:40] I haven't put the board up in the hallway yet because I've been doing redoing the ceiling tiles and the basement floor and it's making a mess.

[1:00:47] We don't want that.

[1:00:49] Nope, so I'll get them up though.

[1:00:51] I'm going to, uh,

[1:00:56] yeah, I have to get back to, uh, we'll go ask this, how, how a member

[1:01:04] of the public can nominate a home. The answer is email Donna, right? Um, so if anyone asks,

[1:01:10] but do you nominate this to our home between now and next year's words? Remember the public,

[1:01:15] that's how you do it. Email our administrator, Mr. Ono Douglas. Um, and, you know,

[1:01:21] keep your eye out for possible candidates for next year. Hopefully we will get people, you know,

[1:01:33] my goal is to get some of the awardees to get local historic designation for their properties.

[1:01:42] So that's something that we can accomplish over the coming year.

[1:01:47] Use it as an entrée to kind of get some of these homes, whether it's

[1:01:54] group designation, so that we can prevent, you know, right now they're owned by people who care and are spending lots of money to save them, but that's never a guarantee as we have seen from night and other nights.

[1:02:10] That will be an ongoing project

[1:02:14] with that. I think we can turn to our next item.

[1:02:19] I think, number 12, to adjourn the meeting.

[1:02:25] I'm going to adjourn the meeting at

[1:02:28] 8.05.

[1:02:29] Yes.

[1:02:30] Okay.

[1:02:34] Thanks, O.

[1:02:37] Seconds.

[1:02:37] Yep.

[1:02:38] Thank you.

[1:02:39] All right.

[1:02:39] All those in favor.

[1:02:42] All right.

[1:02:44] All right.

[1:02:44] Thanks everyone.

[1:02:46] Thank you all.

[1:02:47] Thank you.

[1:02:48] Have a great night everybody.

[1:02:50] You deserve it.

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