Whitehall City Council Meeting and Work Session, Aug 9, 2022

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[0:05] oh yeah
[0:31] is
[1:18] you know how you feel about that i don't know
[1:22] it's up to us where it gets moved too it's the
[1:25] isn't it it's not city property no it's been donated to the city by the library
[1:30] okay it is ours we can
[1:32] actually put it we'd have to pour a pad down there so there would be some cost
[1:36] but i think it would be much more utilized
[1:40] in that location if you can buy right now steve you could probably put it on
[1:44] top where the tanks are
[1:46] and then we can put in their staff with all the fills i know there's a
[1:50] we don't fill a ton down there but it's
[2:03] and i don't know if there would be any fire
[2:06] marshall issues not not state fire marshal
[2:10] because i think is it ag or state police that regulate
[2:15] yeah somewhere between the billion and then
[2:20] yeah so okay
[2:23] with that um so it's council good relocated
[2:28] i mean we don't like it it's not terribly hard to move
[2:33] no it's a little top heavy
[2:46] we're sure to take a section of paper yeah it has to be on a solid
[2:53] bolted down yeah facing itself
[2:56] there's not an open spot now that would really be appropriate
[3:01] well not on top of the gas tanks yeah but
[3:04] yeah it does have uh there was one common that one of the benches is
[3:08] missing but that's actually for a wheelchair accessibility so there's just
[3:12] punches on three sides wherever you feel running the cameras or
[3:16] behind
[3:21] okay so um thank you guys for your time this evening i appreciate it so i
[3:26] contacted scott um because over the last year and a half
[3:31] two years we have been working on a broadband
[3:35] study for all of muskegon county long ago
[3:39] two years ago it was started the initiative was started by mozart dick
[3:44] they kind of said hey
[3:49] let's put together this work group in this committee
[3:52] and discuss it so we did and we all agreed yes it's a problem
[3:57] and i said okay so we've convened all these people who wants to take it over
[4:01] well we took it over um
[4:04] so after
[4:06] um quite a few meetings with our executive
[4:11] team for the broadband committee and then the
[4:15] broader team
[4:17] we decided to put out proposals um a request for proposals for a broadband
[4:23] study for all of muskegon county we received three proposals
[4:27] back we discussed them
[4:31] between the larger committee and then the executive committee
[4:35] and came to the determination that none of the three proposals were what
[4:39] we saw fit nor did they meet the needs of what we were seeking
[4:44] um so we kind of then went back and forth okay can we work with our
[4:48] providers to then get their information and sign mbas put our own gis map
[4:56] together and then
[4:59] we'll do all the work and go from there that became a problem because only one
[5:06] provider would share their gis data with us um so then we kind of was the same as
[5:13] we did with the other companies exact same outline
[5:17] and they sent us their proposal back what is different about this is um all
[5:25] the other three had
[5:27] surveys that were attached to them so they were going to survey residents
[5:32] please raise your hand if you know exactly which service you have your
[5:36] download speed um
[5:39] and
[5:41] everything like that
[5:45] okay one who would actually even fill a two
[5:48] who would actually fill out a survey period if it was mailed to them
[5:54] okay or one two three xyz street and went
[5:57] home michigan um would love to sign up for service i'm
[6:02] serious we don't have service in your area
[6:05] well i know they do because they're two streets they're two doors down
[6:08] that's what this study tells us is that they can provide that service and then
[6:13] how much it will take and how much it will cost to provide that service
[6:18] um so they'll take all of that data parcel by personal and then they'll put
[6:22] it on a gis map for us and then we'll be able to take this data
[6:28] which is what the providers and the state federal government want
[6:34] from us to get those dollars to then extend broadband into
[6:41] um every single community in the county um so
[6:46] that's what we're looking at right now is we're looking at fundraising for
[6:49] this study to be done so then we can show the return on investment not only
[6:54] to the communities to invest
[6:58] not only for the providers to invest but then letting us know what we have and
[7:04] what our capabilities are and what we're missing because we're certainly missing
[7:08] quite a bit it is putting it in front of their board for 25.
[7:12] um we um agree with academic development
[7:16] we're putting in 10 and then
[7:19] have a few other presentations throughout
[7:22] the community and the county for other
[7:27] other funders we'll be asking every municipality
[7:33] and we also have businesses that we're asking as well
[7:37] just because it becomes so important not only for
[7:41] remote workers but for telehealth for virtual learning baker college is almost
[7:47] 100 percent online courses so if you don't have access to revenue
[7:53] um if you're somebody who is elderly and have a doctor's
[7:59] appointment will don't have transportation and you can do
[8:02] telehealth but don't have access to internet well
[8:06] you're kind of stuck in this situation um so that's really what the idea is to
[8:11] really serve the underserved and make it so we have this
[8:16] available in our county and then again for talent recruitment
[8:20] and attraction so it's become
[8:23] broadband has become a necessity just like water sewer
[8:28] electricity um
[8:30] if you want people coming to your community into your county you want
[8:33] businesses to do the same thing and increase your tax base
[8:46] so would this broadband be available to like
[8:50] all of us for a dollar amount would it be free broadband what what's the what's
[8:54] the end goal with this the end goal is to get the study so we have the data to
[9:00] bring to the providers and to the state and federal officials
[9:05] who are giving out these
[9:09] spider on state dollars for ten thousand dollars
[9:14] yeah so that's a good question i had the same thing from messi to our account
[9:18] fair or share i would say 132 000 divided by 27 wouldn't be the way to go
[9:23] yeah so not everybody's going to give um
[9:27] and [Music]
[9:29] we understand that so what we're doing right now is really
[9:33] targeting the communities that are going to benefit
[9:36] the most from
[9:38] the services so
[9:42] with the city of whitehall and
[9:45] the city of muskegon and the city of northwest et cetera et
[9:49] cetera et cetera that's where most of the residents live
[9:53] um and that's
[9:56] so that's that's the whole idea behind it we may it may seem like you are
[10:01] served but you're not fully served to the capabilities and capacity that you
[10:06] should be um we're still going after
[10:09] lexier creek township and
[10:14] yes sir is the basic ask for all the communities
[10:18] the ten thousand yeah so all the city starting so all the
[10:22] city for asking ten um
[10:25] in the larger townships report and this vegan forest
[10:30] and then once we get down to the smaller townships
[10:34] were at five or like 25 and that's if they even
[10:41] let us present in front of
[10:44] their boards
[10:48] because we understand you know i mean everybody has r for money
[10:53] everybody does this everybody has that and that's
[10:56] that's great but they have projects that they already have the money out
[11:07] i guess what i'm confused about i'm not real tech savvy
[11:12] so bear with me but is this going to i mean the city of
[11:18] whitehall is serviced by they're not going to take their place on what they
[11:22] currently have installed they're going to take their place with fiber
[11:26] because that's what the end goal is for fiber is what's
[11:32] i don't want to say it's new because it's not new it's the next step
[11:36] in the long term um goal
[11:40] for broadband connectivity because it's
[11:44] higher speed normally it's underground
[11:48] there's much more capability and capacity of fiber not only for business
[11:52] not only for residential but also for businesses
[11:56] so it can allow other providers to come in and have a more competitive market
[12:01] and i know that's happening in one community
[12:04] um right now where a fiber provider is coming in
[12:09] that community and they will be
[12:12] another option for those individuals in that community
[12:17] so it becomes a competitive market rather than
[12:20] you're stuck with one provider
[12:26] all right thank you for that i think you've
[12:30] given us enough to chew on it's not the place to
[12:35] make that decision all right hope you guys have any
[12:39] questions let me know
[12:42] all right so give me a shout out
[12:48] thanks morgan all right thank you guys appreciate it
[12:53] so next uh let's let's move to the lakefront property i know that's a
[12:59] timely concern yep then it'll be short
[13:03] i think we talked about maybe having a realtor come out there and praise it or
[13:07] you know give us some sort of value
[13:12] and you know depends on what the real you know their opinions vary at least
[13:17] here we've got some sort of assistancy and some decent number
[13:21] because i my fear is if we actually send these
[13:24] letters out we're going to get bids from 100 to 500
[13:28] because whenever municipalities are selling money
[13:31] it's only worth 10 cents on a dollar when we're buying it we're 10 times
[13:36] worth value
[13:38] so that that's my request is if i can put a minimum 30 000 bid on it
[13:43] what did we have down here one parcel or two
[13:47] we have one parcel and it's point two six acres
[13:50] a quarter of an acre a little more than a quarter acre is it a
[13:54] maybe it was it was across the street from
[13:57] two to property owners possibly yeah
[14:01] yeah for the most part and then we've got proper numbers to the north and
[14:04] south and then some that are kind of a little bit more angle
[14:08] i think if the bids are where we would hope that they
[14:12] would be council would give strongest
[14:15] consideration to the ones that are immediately adjacent which is four and i
[14:18] think there's six property owners that have expressed an interest
[14:24] and that's that's not anything that's buildable right
[14:27] um not unless the water drops
[14:33] yeah there's not much shoreline at all um
[14:36] but it would have not it would potentially allow for a dot
[14:41] or some lawn chairs i don't think you can build anything on
[14:46] it i just
[14:50] would have a problem with selling it to somebody
[14:54] thinking that we were selling it you know maybe that for the people to
[15:00] access the lake because they had the adjacent property across the street
[15:04] and somebody else came along and outfit them
[15:09] and actually has the finances to maybe build a house
[15:12] on still practices with uh food trucks and would like to see our
[15:17] regulations tighten down i think that's uh certainly a worthy request that we
[15:22] should maybe look at them and see if they do at least
[15:26] make the effort to see are they where do we want them to be
[15:32] i think that's a reasonable request and then
[15:36] i would say any of the council that has strong opinions on that could express it
[15:41] to scott the staff let them know i think that's the route to go with that
[15:46] i think from just a safety point of looking at that i think one of the nails
[15:50] i had would be make sure that the uh the egress or the way to get food
[15:55] is not out you know what i mean
[15:58] if they got a turn parker pose parker posing i know it's it's the day
[16:02] the stone will be over that's a that's a good good problem i think some people on
[16:06] and off the lake fisherman
[16:10] you know what especially when you get around the
[16:12] eastwork housing complex down there i mean
[16:16] it makes sense
[16:20] oh steph
[16:33] they can use the path from the trestle bridge
[16:39] down to the eagles and that keeps them off the street that's curved
[16:43] and then once they get up if they're going south of eagles they're
[16:48] the streets not curved so it's not really an issue
[16:52] uh in that way i thought one of the concerns that i had was
[16:58] coming off from the trail to get down to lake street we used to block that off
[17:02] and i thought it was because of the angle the curve that
[17:07] there was concern that they would crash into the rails that they climbed
[17:12] the sidewalk brian brian says that that's not an
[17:15] issue so i
[17:28] okay i think there's any opposition to it we'll come back with an ordinance
[17:33] amendment next uh skate park uh state park i i've
[17:37] had numerous individuals talk to me about
[17:41] wanting a skate park specifically at the world tennis courts here i've got the
[17:47] professionals that design them and uh
[17:52] i think it's a wonderful spot they're excited that it could be a real uh
[17:56] destination it's something that
[17:59] i certainly would
[18:01] think would be a there's kids out there
[18:06] and they're having fun
[18:08] and kids will be kids one group will get old enough they won't
[18:11] do it anymore then the next one will come
[18:20] i'm not in favor of any more parks for the city we don't have the
[18:24] resources or money to take care of the parks that we have right now but you
[18:28] don't need anymore that's just my personal opinion
[18:33] i realized it's flashband money-wise it's use
[18:36] if you use it you're taking the risks yourself like
[18:39] the sledding hill right we're not responsible for a kid going
[18:43] down the hill breaking their arm unless we know that there's an
[18:48] inherent danger and we don't address it then we're
[18:51] liable yeah otherwise we're not
[18:56] i think it's looking at this i think a committee or a group
[19:00] including some high school kids or however i mean you were in contact with
[19:04] somebody i mean get a group together and put their heads together presentation
[19:12] saying we want it unless we see some sort of positive
[19:16] input from the community i was just going to comment that we've
[19:21] dealt with skateboarders in a lot because the downtown businesses were
[19:25] always always complaining that the kids were using their curving or their flower
[19:29] boxes or whatever for their skate stunts and so the city
[19:35] went with a temporary part and we put it all the way out the far
[19:40] corner of the city but the kids still made that trek all the way down there
[19:44] and even though it was a temporary park it was they used just
[19:49] pre-fab steel structures they still are in the same place they've never
[19:54] done more than that and it's still being used
[19:58] and gives you guys a place to push it hey
[20:01] you can't you guys can be at ealier or wherever like you said we're at goodrich
[20:06] wrecking our bench and we know that's happening and we'll replace matches
[20:09] because guys go over here
[20:20] i would say not as much but there's still crazy kids out there
[20:26] yeah i used more than tennis courts in there
[20:29] right the point of having parks is for public
[20:33] access if they're not if we put some structure in there for them to use and
[20:36] people use it this whole point of having a park system right
[20:40] my intent is not to kick anybody out but when the when those properties are sold
[20:45] i don't want them selling to make another
[20:48] non-retail business
[20:51] you know i want i want availability for mom and pop they want
[20:54] to put a candle shop in what they want to put
[20:57] whatever i mean i want the i want the downtown to be
[21:03] open i want it to be vibrant and selling stuff you know what
[21:08] i want that i don't want to see a corner lot taken up by an insurance
[21:12] agency is there anything either ordinance or
[21:18] uh through uh
[21:22] complaining essentially i can't think of the word
[21:28] zoning i mean is there anything we can do to to
[21:31] make sure that that gets done i mean i don't know
[21:34] yeah let me look at the ordinance that we have is that one of them
[21:38] let me look at that and i'll bring that back next yeah
[21:41] cause that's what that's i want
[21:50] that's that's fine i don't have an issue with that but the main drag on tip when
[21:54] you drive downtown
[22:09] i guess the only the only drawback i'd see with that even
[22:15] for the next budget to just watch it for some fencing down there
[22:18] found out how big ryan griego pitkin drug i think most of you know me
[22:23] a couple things came up coming out i agree with you on
[22:27] retail and what dick said is also true if you have a building
[22:31] i'd love to see retail on the first floor but if the building's sitting
[22:34] empty for a year you can't get anybody in there you got to get what you got to
[22:38] get you know um so i agree with you i'd love to see it but
[22:41] unfortunately it's not always plausible yeah if we got one right now
[22:46] in the old kobe place building across the street
[22:48] from us that that's for rent right now i don't i think i don't know
[22:52] we're scott geiger used to be
[22:55] um secondly um secondly
[23:04] all right anyone else got anything they want to
[23:07] add to talk about
[23:10] well let's adjourn for next week
[25:01] that's the first time i've ever seen him lit up yeah
[25:05] i didn't even know there was a light up there i did not yeah either i just saw
[25:09] that give it to the tech guys yeah
[25:14] and you're blinking dick yeah chica was blanking yeah
[25:19] well i guess for the sake of everyone
[25:23] when you talk speak up
[25:37] okay
[25:47] so is that something we want to do after the
[25:51] adoption or prior to
[25:56] that's part of okay
[25:59] you just remove that okay number three it's four twenty seven hundred seventy
[26:03] eight dollars for breaks ball joints and alignment
[26:09] how old of a vehicle are we putting this kind of money into
[26:12] i think that's actually a 2017 ford pickup from dpw
[26:20] i thought it was listed under a police department
[26:28] two to a six
[26:38] they're accounted
[26:41] because i will get
[26:44] the stack of all the bills
[26:50] i'll have to sign one or two ryerson's at forty six thousand nine seventeen
[26:55] uh double l at fifty two thousand two sixty five actually we got the
[26:59] impression that carmix didn't really wanna talk about it so
[27:02] it's uh not to exceed at 46 917. good and i might have mentioned the council
[27:08] my cousin just built a house uh on on a lake and he had one put in because he
[27:13] had high water table issues in his basement
[27:16] and i tell you that thing worked like a gem and it just it flowed real nice back
[27:21] out the lake
[27:24] good thank you
[27:26] all right
[27:29] for the comments there uh keith um
[27:35] one quick thing the buffer strip on benson have you made any
[27:39] contacts with any of those people yet i have not as yet but the ldfa board said
[27:45] go ahead and make the offer can we hold on making those
[27:50] contacts till jeff represents the finance session
[27:57] well it is actually owned by the ldfa so it's really their property to dispose of
[28:03] if there's good reason to go back to ldfa in october then we could do that
[28:08] it's not something that it was still just solid it's still on
[28:12] the same premise it would just be a different idea versus
[28:16] um we can fold off on that because your
[28:19] next work session is going to be in september ldap meets in october
[28:24] i don't think any because there's one business that is
[28:28] you know busking at the same so to speak but at this point in time they're not
[28:33] going to be doing a lot as you know if we do move forward with the
[28:37] sale finalize it
[28:40] the winner is going to be on top of us
[28:44] no because that's one of the uh temporary permanent outdoor seating
[28:49] areas that you have authorized okay
[28:55] sean oh i just want to
[28:59] say i had a pretty good time a few days back with our um
[29:04] albeit belated fireworks it was still a very good show
[29:07] uh i had a good time with the um the pub pedal in in town two seemed to
[29:13] be very well attended and was it was a great day for it
[29:19] okay scott
[29:23] oh here i go get to make some friends again
[29:29] first thing is the slocum street zigzag
[29:34] park whatever it is called
[29:38] unless something's been done with it in the last day
[29:41] is an embarrassment to the city
[29:46] uh you can't even walk down it without ducking
[29:50] i mean this stuff has grown from one side to the other side over top
[29:56] and i mean it's just terrible
[30:00] uh the next thing that relates to the same
[30:04] thing is you know coming into our city on colby
[30:08] you come down to the bottom of the hill and you're greeted by
[30:13] weeds growing under and over the guard rails then you got
[30:18] two houses there with very unkept lawns and then you got an empty strip mall
[30:24] that's got three foot high weeds
[30:26] growing in all their stones out by the road
[30:31] and you probably have at least eight or ten election cut signs sitting there
[30:34] that are uh ordinance violation as far as i'm concerned
[30:39] and then you got a motel that used to be very well kept that isn't well kept
[30:43] anymore i just
[30:45] don't see where our city is very welcome looking when you
[30:50] come into it and then
[30:53] once you or somebody just said so i think i just got missed one picnic table
[30:57] will probably suffice um i'm glad to see in the tifa notes
[31:02] at ldfa that they're looking at clock
[31:05] repairs or replacement also looking at the fire pit activation
[31:09] button i think that's a great thing um definitely like i said lottington has
[31:12] one on theirs um i took a picture of it just a button it says push here so i
[31:18] tried to get a company name off that wasn't there
[31:22] and i think that's it yeah that's it okay
[31:28] last week i spent a couple of days in cadillac as far as the
[31:32] the michigan association of mayor's
[31:38] not a real conference but a workshop and it was
[31:41] very enlightening and to listen to
[31:45] the subjects that they brought up it was great talking with other mayors
[31:51] and finding out you know what their problems are pretty much
[31:55] their problems are the same as ours just bigger city bigger problems the same
[31:59] nature but we're still
[32:03] pretty uh well off compared to a lot of them i heard a lot of great comments
[32:07] about whitehall and
[32:10] i was very happy to be there and represent our
[32:13] city
[32:16] it was a a good time
[32:19] sorry i missed it the community picnic i i was up there for that i always enjoyed
[32:23] that community picnic because it is such a wonderful thing to see the community
[32:27] out and the kids down at goodrich park having a great
[32:30] time
[32:32] all right with that we have a public comment next anyone wishing to speak
[32:36] please come up to the podium give your name and address and you have three
[32:40] minutes to comment
[32:50] i see no one i
[32:52] say we move on to old business scott do we have any old business
[32:58] okay new business we have resolution
[33:03] 2241 right-of-way easements
[33:08] i'll move to accept
[33:11] the resolution 22 80 22 41 right away
[33:17] second consecutive any discussion questions
[33:35] uh
[33:43] yeah okay so what is the corner down here with the
[33:47] lines in the corner that that's the area that we're looking
[33:51] to obtain an official easement
[33:56] jennifer grow owns the property at that corner
[33:59] and basically
[34:03] in order to make the curb radius adequate we need to get an easement for
[34:08] that little 30 by
[34:11] 40 foot strip of property so it's going to be curved
[34:15] uh probably not that that just is going to
[34:18] be within the road right away and it's actually
[34:22] part of the asphalt's there now so we're going to
[34:27] officially have it
[34:35] pretty easy to figure out
[34:42] anyone else
[34:44] all right removing moving second roll call please
[34:50] yes yes
[34:53] yes yes
[34:56] yes brown yes yes
[35:00] resolution 2241 is approved next is resolution 2242 lot split request
[35:09] i'll move to approve the lot split request
[35:15] and moved in second any questions comments yeah
[35:20] yes sir don't forget to get it on the board for you yeah
[35:25] let's this one's about me totally
[35:33] i can't figure this out
[35:37] okay the the 4.5 the larger piece
[35:41] um to the north is currently where brad and erica van bergen live
[35:47] the maroon colored house
[35:50] the property to the south is owned by 56 nash it's a rental
[35:56] property that's got a pole barn on it what they would like to do is add a lean
[36:01] tube to the north side of that pole barn but as you can see it's listed as a
[36:04] garage in that small area
[36:09] and they want to build the lean to to the north which would obviously be on
[36:12] the van buren's property so they're looking to have a lot split and purchase
[36:18] basically that 25 foot wide by 203 foot strip between the two
[36:36] so that 56 nash can purchase it okay and i was looking at their address
[36:42] and wanting to split and i thought that lots only 100 by 200 it's not big enough
[36:48] correct that's the one with the garage on it
[36:51] yeah it's but it's being added to so this uh from what i'm gathering
[36:57] though this is another uh
[37:01] we're looking for forgiveness forgiveness instead of uh
[37:06] that was my question well yeah
[37:10] yeah um because they actually came in and
[37:13] brooke brought back the uh the title work
[37:17] because we we sent that through equalization and i said wait a minute so
[37:21] we got a hold of two of the parties that are owners of 56 nash
[37:27] and what they had brought in to city hall back in june
[37:33] was some of this paperwork but also the building permits
[37:38] and they handed it to staff and staff saw that it was a building permit so
[37:42] they put that in brian's box because that's where the building
[37:44] permits go so it went south and they were working on the building
[37:48] permit and also you know
[37:51] kind of questioning whether or not they had a zoning approval
[37:55] but we didn't catch us in time to put it on the august planning commission
[37:59] meeting so
[38:01] that's a more of an explanation it is not um
[38:07] yeah the acquisition of the property is kind of an issue mainly for
[38:11] the property owners but it is not
[38:14] um really a violation of our ordinances because it's your responsibility
[38:20] to do to approve lots please we
[38:24] have the option we have the option to send it to planning commission for
[38:27] review and recommendation our sop has always been just to start with playing
[38:32] right right you still have the right to send it back to planning accept or
[38:37] reject
[38:40] do our ordinances say anything about what you can
[38:45] put under a lien to uh
[38:49] no is the lean too enclosed or is it open i
[38:54] i think it's just uh it's just a roof coming off i haven't seen the site well
[38:59] they gave me a site plan but no construction documents that was another
[39:03] thing that threw us off with the building permit
[39:06] but my understanding is it's just going to be a roof opened on three sides the
[39:09] fourth side would be the edge the side of the garage that's my understanding
[39:14] now this is the same
[39:17] garage that's a pole building that we approved
[39:22] in addition on to the front of it probably three years
[39:26] ago and i specifically remember
[39:32] that it was said at that time that the front
[39:36] of the pole barn was supposed to be made to
[39:39] look like the house which has never been done as far as i'm concerned
[39:44] that was approved by the city manager
[39:52] well i think we also
[39:54] at that time required some sort of
[39:59] pavement
[40:03] and approach on the garage and this would actually
[40:08] well i think the concern was um well part of it was that part of that
[40:14] gravel driveway was encroaching on the property to the north
[40:19] with this last split in the acquisition then that would kind of negate that but
[40:24] i would have to go back and double check on
[40:27] the apron requirement i thought there was some specific apron requirement that
[40:32] hasn't been met but that
[40:35] would be something for you to check on but yeah as if there's any outstanding
[40:40] issues as part of the new site right this would be the time to to look at all
[40:45] of it make sure everything complies
[40:51] so what's the uh council's uh so once this i mean essentially we're
[40:56] just doing the lot split now once we get to that point
[40:59] the rest of it will go to planning right well not as a residential um if this is
[41:05] approved they will have to come and get a site plan okay as a residential that's
[41:09] approved by the zoning administrator okay once that's approved then they have
[41:14] to go to building to get the building permits okay
[41:17] so two more steps okay so as far as just the last split
[41:25] i guess i don't see a problem with that now that i know
[41:28] what we're looking at here
[41:32] yeah sure anyone else like to weigh in on that
[41:36] or just want to push it to the roll call
[41:48] apparently not so we'll move forward with a roll call please
[41:53] uh yes yes
[41:57] yes yes
[42:00] connell yes brown no sultan yes
[42:06] resolution 2242 lot split request is approved
[42:10] we next have public comment again anyone wishing to speak to the council
[42:15] please step to the podium
[42:22] obviously nothing okay next is a closed session to discuss
[42:28] acquisition of real property i move we go into closed session to discuss the
[42:32] acquisition of a real property
[42:40] please yes
[42:52] yes all right we're closed session we ask
[42:55] all the none
[42:58] requirement