[6:51]

[8:18] But.

[8:18] All right I pledge allegiance to the flag

[8:26] of the United states of America and to the Republic

[8:29] for which it stands.

[8:30] One nation under God.

[8:32] Indivisible.

[8:33] With liberty and justice for all.

[8:35] Thank you.

[8:36] Congratulation, guys Roll call, please.

[8:42] Commissioner rocky here.

[8:44] Commissioner Dami you hear Commissioner Rowley

[8:47] Hear Vice Mayor Caputo here.

[8:49] Mayor Newton, you're addressing changes of regulations

[8:52] for tonight's meeting.

[8:53] Anyone hearing?

[8:55] None.

[8:55] I'll move on All right I don't know if anybody knows,

[9:00] but this week is police week.

[9:03] National police Week, and i had the honor last week in the city

[9:12] to be at Broward College for Public safety,

[9:14] where all the police officers are really become police people,

[9:18] become police officers in our county.

[9:20] When you're going to school here and we were the host city

[9:24] this year where the police memorial for Broward County

[9:30] it was an honor to give the speech guest speaker for that.

[9:34] The only tough thing was it was it was to remember the 105 83

[9:40] officers that have died in Broward County and seven

[9:45] of the police dogs that have died

[9:46] in Broward County since the inception of Broward County.

[9:49] And i just thought that was an awful lot of I

[9:53] know we've been around a while, but just

[9:54] seems to be like a lot of men and women

[9:57] that have been killed in the line of duty

[10:00] and in just Broward county.

[10:03] So it was an honor to do that.

[10:05] Chief you and your team did a great job on the color guard

[10:10] and a lot of the things they did for that event.

[10:12] There.

[10:13] So thank you very much for that Whereas there are more than

[10:18] 800,000 law enforcement officers serving in communities across

[10:21] the United States, including a dedicated professionals

[10:24] of the Wilton Manors Police Department who are passionately

[10:28] committed to serving our community Whereas,

[10:31] despite their staffs challenges, there were a total of nine

[10:34] assaults against Wilton Manors officers in 2023,

[10:38] five assaults in 2024, representing an approximate 42%

[10:44] decrease over a two year period, compared to 12

[10:48] assaults reported in 2001.

[10:51] Since the first recorded death in 1786 more than 24,067

[10:58] law enforcement officers.

[10:59] Throughout u.S. history have made the ultimate sacrifice

[11:02] and have been killed in the line of duty The names of the Two

[11:07] $24,400 well fallen officer engraved on the walls

[11:10] of the National law Enforcement Officer Memorial in Washington,

[11:14] D.C. Whereas in 2025, the names of 345 officers who were killed

[11:22] in line of duty were added to the National law Enforcement

[11:25] and Memorial that includes 148 officers

[11:29] killed in 2024, as well as 197 officers

[11:33] killed in previous years.

[11:35] Whereas Broward County Law Enforcement Memorial

[11:37] was held on May two seven, 2025, and hosted by Wilt Manors

[11:41] police Department.

[11:42] Whereas service and sacrifice of all officers,

[11:45] line of duty fatalities were be honored during the national law

[11:48] enforcement officer Memorial Fund 37 Candlelight

[11:51] vigil Village Vigil.

[11:53] Vigil Sorry.

[11:55] On the evening of May 13.

[11:57] And.

[11:58] Whereas, the annual candlelight vigil is part of the National

[12:00] Police Week, which will be observed beginning on Sunday,

[12:04] May 11th through Saturday may 17th.

[12:07] Whereas May 15th is designated as peace officers,

[12:09] Memorial Day in honor of all fallen officers,

[12:12] their family is and U.S. flag should

[12:15] be flown at half staff in honor of the National Police Week.

[12:18] And to recognize willimantic Police Department officers.

[12:21] Our city hall police station will be eliminated in blue.

[12:25] Now, therefore be played by the city.

[12:26] What matters the week of May 11th through the 1725 designated

[12:31] National police Week.

[12:34] Assistant Chief, thank you for all you do and your officers

[12:37] for a city will manners.

[12:38] Thank you sir.

[12:47] But I see you.

[12:48] Come up to I think you guys probably

[13:02] did all the right All right.

[13:34] Presentations City manager.

[13:37] Thank you.

[13:38] You.

[13:39] I'm going to ask Director Sanchez to introduce this item.

[13:41] Please good evening, DIA Sanchez, Human Resources

[13:50] director for nearly Three years, Circuit

[13:53] has operated within our city limits,

[13:55] providing a fun mode of transportation

[13:57] for what manners residents and visitors They're low

[14:00] cost eco friendly rides have been embraced by the community,

[14:04] offering a safe means of navigating our island

[14:07] city at the request of the city commission,

[14:10] we have Jason bagley, partner and VP of Strategic Growth

[14:14] here to give a brief presentation on circuits

[14:17] 2020 for operational and rider data.

[14:20] Jason and I are also available.

[14:22] Any questions the Commission may have following the presentation

[14:25] Jason okay All right.

[14:35] Thank you.

[14:36] Do good evening Mayor, Vice, Mayor and Commissioners.

[14:40] Jason Bagley, partner with Circuit

[14:41] here to give an update for our 2024 results for our program

[14:47] here in the city, Wilton Manors starting with a quick overview.

[14:52] Our service coverage area is all city limits are schedule is here

[14:59] Posted Monday through Tuesday 11 a.m. to nine,

[15:03] Wednesday to Saturday, noon to 11 p.m.

[15:05] Sunday 11 to 11.

[15:07] We have refined these hours a little bit over the three years,

[15:09] but I think we've landed on the most impactful

[15:13] to the community we have four vehicles in the fleet.

[15:16] There's two of the gem neighborhood electric vehicles

[15:19] that you see on the photo We recently added an eV sedan

[15:23] and then we also have an aDA gem gem that operates on standby

[15:28] until it's requested.

[15:30] Services $2 per rider The vehicle that we added in March,

[15:37] there was some issues where we couldn't bring

[15:39] the gems to a couple streets.

[15:41] I think it was northeast and northwest 30th caught.

[15:44] It would involve the drivers having

[15:46] to go out on Oakland Park Boulevard

[15:47] to access those streets.

[15:49] So we saw an opportunity for opportunity

[15:51] to replace one of the gems with this eV

[15:54] sedan that can go anywhere.

[15:56] It has a much greater battery range.

[15:58] So we can charge at once.

[16:00] And it and it gets through an entire day with plenty

[16:03] of mileage to spare.

[16:04] It can be driven on those major roads,

[16:07] which means more direct routes.

[16:09] And we were able to finally cover those two those streets

[16:13] that we weren't able to access before.

[16:15] I will note that this also opens up the opportunity.

[16:17] We've spoken with the city over the years

[16:20] about potentially trying to connect to the beach.

[16:22] So by having a vehicle that can go on Oakland Park Boulevard

[16:25] or A-1, A, we have the potential if you wanted to open up

[16:28] that opportunity for two residents,

[16:31] whether it be on certain days or certain hours,

[16:34] but we'll just leave it out there

[16:35] that that is an option we could create

[16:37] a higher rate to go to the beach, a higher fare

[16:40] to the rider.

[16:42] We also updated we have a new data portal that we share

[16:46] with Doe which gives them real time access to go in and look

[16:49] at the data and generate reports around you know,

[16:53] certain days or times of the day.

[16:56] And it also gives quick insights of how many riders per hour.

[17:00] What our average wait time is This is also provided

[17:03] in a monthly data report that we share but this gives continuous

[17:08] access to that information And as we look at 2020

[17:12] for our average, we did over 3,000 riders a month The program

[17:17] has created ten local jobs.

[17:19] But 35% of our rides are pools One of the most impressive

[17:24] metrics I think, is the average wait time is 6 to 7 minutes,

[17:27] and we've been able to maintain that long term considering it

[17:31] is a fairly wide area with only Three cars on the road.

[17:34] I think that's pretty impressive with the numbers that we have

[17:37] able to complete as well And here's just an overall snapshot,

[17:42] 41,000 passengers moved in 2024.

[17:45] Average driver rating, 4.9, Five out

[17:48] of five stars on the App Store.

[17:50] Again, average wait times Six minutes, 48 seconds.

[17:53] And the average user age is 54 and Wilton Manors this is

[18:00] a month by month overview showing the peak months in march

[18:05] and May and just a chart of our ridership with total requires

[18:12] completed trips and total passengers

[18:17] a little bit more insight busiest times 5 to 7 p.m..

[18:20] We've seen that consists utterly throughout this the life

[18:23] of this program.

[18:25] Busiest day is no surprise Friday, Saturday,

[18:28] Sunday and again March and May.

[18:30] Some of the busiest months, we can get really granular

[18:32] with the data and see the top pick up and drop off

[18:35] destinations with Heatmaps And our survey that we conducted

[18:42] and some of the good results here are 93% of riders

[18:45] think that circuits are a great addition to the community 80%

[18:50] help it helps them drive less.

[18:52] I know a lot of people are coming staying at Airbnbs

[18:54] than know that they don't need to rent a car now to get around.

[18:57] 70% of the ride is here are local,

[18:59] so it's always great to see a little bit more

[19:04] on the survey results Again, 71% live in the area.

[19:09] And then some of the use cases where

[19:12] people have taken the service.

[19:14] So, again, no big surprises here Some testimony animals

[19:23] and some great photos of the partnership I'm

[19:27] happy to answer any questions, any questions for anyone

[19:33] So good Yeah.

[19:35] Thank you.

[19:36] Just a quick question.

[19:37] You one of the One of the slides for you

[19:41] talked about riders and then unique users.

[19:43] You distinguish between the two.

[19:44] What does that mean?

[19:45] That's how many different people download the app

[19:47] and are unique user.

[19:49] So there'll be a lot of repetitive use.

[19:51] You know, one person may use the service every day,

[19:54] but that extrapolates out the how

[19:56] many different unique accounts or

[19:58] associated with this location.

[20:00] OK And at any given time, how many vehicles

[20:03] or actually how many vehicles are available to ours?

[20:07] Typically three vehicles on the road three on the road.

[20:10] But we're not.

[20:11] Ada, stand by.

[20:12] Is if it's requested, we'll swap out to that vehicle.

[20:15] So we would swap out to that vehicle.

[20:17] So three would be the max.

[20:18] Yes OK.

[20:20] I'm not sure if it's a question for you,

[20:22] but we have five electronic vehicles stations

[20:26] and I guess i just question why we have five.

[20:29] If there's either 3 or 4 vehicles,

[20:31] but may not be a question for you going to jump We have five.

[20:43] So that we could charge all three vehicles

[20:45] as well as the ADA vehicle.

[20:47] There are times that some of those charging stations

[20:50] can be faulty so that provides always access

[20:54] to all vehicles to charge.

[20:56] We also have an employee charging program

[20:58] that those Chargers are available to.

[21:02] OK Thank.

[21:02] Thank you.

[21:04] Are all of the electronic vehicles stations

[21:07] are they fast chargers Are they all charging at the same rate?

[21:12] I remember at one point, they were not Yeah,

[21:15] Everything now is a level two fast charger.

[21:17] OK Yeah.

[21:18] All right.

[21:18] Thank you, sir But yeah, thank you for the presentation.

[21:22] So I know you had some key takeaways on there.

[21:24] Yep.

[21:25] And how do you use those key takeaways

[21:27] to turn into useful insights or improve efficiencies

[21:31] And you mentioned something about possibly changing times.

[21:34] Yeah.

[21:34] I mean that's been the evolution over the three years.

[21:37] I think we've done a lot of that.

[21:38] We start collecting data and then we can

[21:40] refine the approach from there.

[21:42] We have done that with service hours,

[21:44] the zone is another one that's usually changed,

[21:47] but You all have orders of a of an island.

[21:49] So that was an easy One.

[21:51] We've always covered the entire city limits,

[21:54] but Yeah, just looking at these insights

[21:57] there's trends that we've seen year over year now that we've

[21:59] been here this long, but we work closely with Deo and Nick

[22:03] and talk about any kind of changes

[22:05] that we might want to make.

[22:06] I don't think there's any been anything huge

[22:08] over the last couple of months, but it's all showing in the data

[22:12] and can be evaluated and something that we're looking to

[22:14] shows obviously definitely from 5 to 7.

[22:16] But later on as well.

[22:18] Can you explain to the residents why you don't go past 11:00 We

[22:25] have as a company, we typically don't run

[22:28] later than midnight so we could be

[22:31] doing that here if you'd like.

[22:33] That's just a and it's something we may want to consider.

[22:36] I think we'll get started.

[22:37] The program, we were told at least I was told I

[22:39] don't know about anybody else.

[22:40] So it's circuit doesn't operate after 11.

[22:42] Yeah, we have I think since then, we

[22:44] have added some locations where we may want

[22:46] to consider right that 11 a.m.

[22:48] time doesn't really seem to be overly overly.

[22:53] It's not a really popular.

[22:54] You could also keep the hours and just

[22:56] have one car in the morning and have,

[22:59] you know, save those hours for later to go to extend beyond 11.

[23:03] You know what I'm saying?

[23:04] Just shift hours around.

[23:05] Related to that you're saying it's 11:00 use,

[23:07] but often it stops at 11.

[23:08] So that would be when something dropped off after.

[23:10] And I'm saying it's not really used 11 in the morning,

[23:13] just later on in the evening.

[23:14] Yeah One thing that I'd like just

[23:16] to see the Times to that conversation in particular

[23:19] is obviously, right now we see like, you know that 910,

[23:22] it starts to trail off.

[23:23] But I would imagine if you were to filter this data down to just

[23:26] Friday and Saturday as a percentage

[23:28] those are much higher, right?

[23:29] So if we're talking about going to midnight

[23:31] we would do that maybe on a Friday or Saturday.

[23:33] Not not not.

[23:33] Yeah.

[23:34] And that's typically what it would be.

[23:35] It's just Friday Saturday night We can extend those hours.

[23:38] I think that's something I'd like to see

[23:40] us look at doing potentially.

[23:41] So we have less people potentially drinking and driving

[23:43] in during our busiest times and just from some personal use

[23:47] with the app I've noticed it could be a little glitchy

[23:50] and right it pops up and it shows it's three minutes away.

[23:55] Order it.

[23:55] And then all of a sudden, it's all

[23:57] the way on the other side of the city, and it's 20 minutes away.

[23:59] And that's all you end up canceling.

[24:01] Have you worked on.

[24:02] I brought this up in the past.

[24:03] We are, Yeah.

[24:03] I mean, we've had about 40 app updates

[24:05] in the last year and a half, so it's constantly being worked on.

[24:08] We are aware of that.

[24:10] You know we've heard it.

[24:11] And we are addressing it.

[24:13] So we're working with our development team

[24:17] to find any of those updates.

[24:18] That's going to improve that.

[24:19] You know the service to everybody.

[24:20] Perfect Thank you.

[24:22] I like the program.

[24:23] Thank you.

[24:23] It's very good program.

[24:24] Thank you.

[24:25] You.

[24:25] Just one question I have is I know

[24:27] you talked about the car can be used all day long Yeah,

[24:30] but the carts I know in the past maybe some of the Chargers,

[24:36] some of the batteries are bad.

[24:37] Yeah, it's that part is unacceptable

[24:40] because, you know, we have drivers

[24:42] that are there ready to go, and they come in, they're dead.

[24:44] Yeah, they can't use them.

[24:45] And then there's one less.

[24:46] That's on the road that we're paying for.

[24:48] Make sure that they're theirs I want

[24:51] to make sure we clean that up.

[24:52] I mean can you get stronger batteries for that?

[24:54] I think well, I think we've gotten to a much better spot

[24:56] with the new chartstring that's out there.

[24:58] That's, I think that's remedied pretty much everything.

[25:00] And we have Bob McClure, our location manager here

[25:03] who knows better than anybody.

[25:04] But I think those are our issues.

[25:06] Maybe six months ago, but the charging

[25:09] has not been an issue since OK.

[25:11] I just to make sure I know charging

[25:12] as much as the batteries, I know you can buy better batteries

[25:15] than others and they last longer and get charged faster

[25:18] and all that is from make sure that we keep up on that.

[25:20] Because I know in the past i've I've

[25:22] gone to talk to the drivers.

[25:24] Yeah.

[25:25] For the last couple of years and they love being there

[25:28] and all this.

[25:28] There's sometimes they get there and the charger in charge

[25:31] or the battery was bad and it's been a couple of days We really

[25:35] need to have if we supposed to have three cars on there

[25:38] that we should have three cards Four completely

[25:39] understand and agree.

[25:40] Then just one other comment.

[25:42] So i don't know how it is for other cities

[25:44] specifically for our city.

[25:46] What's the policy If someone like

[25:47] is just standing on Wilton Drive and the carts going by empty

[25:51] can they flag it down?

[25:52] That's what we would typically allow that, yes

[25:55] And that's an opportunity to give

[25:57] somebody the QR code to download the app for their next trip.

[26:00] So absolutely unless you didn't want us to do that, we would

[26:03] always take a walk up personally where I was told no order it

[26:06] from the app and literally the guy was waiting, sitting there

[26:09] for ride Well, the only thing that comes up there to me as

[26:13] well, so maybe it's just an educational Yeah, well, it's

[26:16] also a fare collection thing is that we're not in that instance,

[26:19] we would not take cash.

[26:21] Yeah.

[26:22] But again i would always lean towards the let's

[26:24] get somebody using the service.

[26:25] And then next time they're going to use the app, right?

[26:28] So I think as a as a way to, you know, bills are $2 per rider.

[26:32] Does that go to the city Does that does that get split?

[26:35] That's I think that's a split.

[26:37] But after the credit card processing fees,

[26:39] I think we had to add our fare guarantee.

[26:41] I can get that from the city.

[26:43] Yeah.

[26:43] OK, good.

[26:44] You have a credit card.

[26:46] I'm sorry, but can you.

[26:47] Can't you have a credit card swipe or a.

[26:50] We've done it.

[26:50] It's just a lot for the drivers to to handle a swipe card

[26:54] or where working on some tap technology

[26:56] Now we're looking at speaking with a couple of companies

[26:58] that might do that.

[26:59] OK But we've also done things where

[27:01] the rider could just scan a QR code on the car

[27:04] and make the payment.

[27:05] So the driver.

[27:05] So we have a couple of things like that.

[27:07] We're testing it, right?

[27:07] Right.

[27:07] It's always getting new or new.

[27:09] Yeah.

[27:09] I think that when we launched the program part of it was you

[27:12] could just flag it down, and we didn't

[27:14] really care about the fee.

[27:16] Yeah.

[27:16] So at the beginning, yeah, because we

[27:18] get to see how well it's right.

[27:19] Yeah.

[27:19] I'm just saying right now.

[27:21] I love the service.

[27:22] I think it's great I have a couple of questions.

[27:25] Some of these if these are contractual or pass kind of what

[27:27] you can speak to, we I can certainly handle the city

[27:31] manager separately, but when it comes to the sedan,

[27:35] it sounds like that potentially is a more effective vehicle

[27:40] in terms of its availability.

[27:42] The time to charge etc. is the total cost

[27:44] of ownership significantly more for that

[27:46] than it's a little bit more.

[27:47] It's about 10% more so but it's 10% more on the streets A kid?

[27:51] Yeah, it could be for sure in the contract.

[27:53] Who bears the cost of putting in a vehicle?

[27:55] Is that do we ultimately bear that cost?

[27:57] It's our choice.

[27:58] Or is that something you decide?

[27:59] Well, the contract was for the vehicles

[28:01] that we started with for those GM vehicles.

[28:03] I don't think at the time we were even doing other vehicles

[28:06] But we're happy to do an amendment

[28:08] If you're thinking of a okay, so, you know,

[28:11] maybe you could speak to this.

[28:12] OK I think to answer the question of the current fleet,

[28:16] I negotiate that with circuit.

[28:18] There is no additional cost to the city for that sedan

[28:21] that we have right now.

[28:22] So we are continuing to pay the same amount

[28:24] as when we had the three GM vehicles But at some point,

[28:29] there's the contract expires will renew it.

[28:31] That may change because the vehicle wasn't available.

[28:33] That is correct.

[28:33] OK Are there any disadvantages to using the sedan I think

[28:40] there's a couple of things.

[28:42] It's not as many seats.

[28:43] It's not as convenient where everybody gets

[28:46] their own door in the GM car.

[28:47] It doesn't stand out as much.

[28:49] Yeah branding is it's tougher to sell advertising on a sedan

[28:53] than it is on the GM car So that's

[28:55] why I think most of our location ins

[28:57] are doing mixed fleets now So you have a couple of each.

[29:00] And we can on the back end of our app we can create sub zones

[29:05] and tether specific vehicles to a specific zone where we know

[29:08] we don't want the GM to go to the beach,

[29:10] for example It could do just, you know wealth and drive area

[29:14] There's a lot of flexibility in the technology to set

[29:16] that up however you want.

[29:17] So maybe worth looking at a second sedan and keep one.

[29:21] GM But there's a lot of things we can do.

[29:24] And I would say beyond that First car

[29:26] that we replace there would be an increased cost

[29:30] to swap out other person.

[29:31] So right now.

[29:32] You've got this wait time of 6 or 7 minutes.

[29:35] That does not include trips that you canceled because the wait

[29:37] time is too long, obviously.

[29:38] Right?

[29:39] Because you couldn't average in a time.

[29:40] If that the wait didn't happen Yeah

[29:43] Do you have stats on the number of I I love this.

[29:46] I love the service.

[29:46] But there's during peak times more than a few times

[29:49] i've canceled because it was going to be like 20

[29:51] minutes or something like that.

[29:52] And that's what.

[29:52] Excuse the number down.

[29:54] No I totally understand.

[29:55] And it's all fair That's what we're

[29:57] going to see on some of those five to seven o'clock

[30:01] hours on a Friday or Saturday.

[30:03] But you have the data on how many rides you cancel.

[30:05] We do is it something you can tell us now,

[30:08] or is that not available?

[30:08] I mean, it's in we can see on one of these stat lines here,

[30:12] it shows me say right here, right.

[30:16] So you see the canceled is basically the difference

[30:21] between the completed and the total request So the difference

[30:24] between the light green line and the orange

[30:27] Right, which looks like it's a significant number, Right.

[30:29] So it's a transmitter at all canceled.

[30:31] It's canceled.

[30:32] Miss canceled by the rider canceled by the driver.

[30:35] So it's everything rolled up Okay.

[30:37] We know that was canceled by the driver.

[30:39] Really?

[30:39] I mean, that shouldn't.

[30:41] Yeah, that's happening.

[30:41] Right.

[30:41] So canceled by the person.

[30:43] Yeah, we all know my math up here is not the best.

[30:44] But looking at the peak from 3900 to 2700, that's Yeah,

[30:49] it's like 1,200 roughly, which is almost 40% of the things got

[30:54] canceled, presumably in many cases, because of a long

[30:56] wait time Yeah.

[30:57] Is how does our cancellation rate compare to other cities

[31:00] You guys It's I think it's right on track

[31:03] with the other cities in this area.

[31:05] And quite honestly, a lot of this

[31:07] is a function of just supply and demand that we have

[31:10] so many requests out of these peak times

[31:13] that we should have six cars out there where

[31:15] within the constraints of I realize we're

[31:17] the ones setting the budget for how many vehicles are out there.

[31:19] So I'm not holding you back more, but there's other level.

[31:21] There's other levers to you could increase the cost

[31:23] on those this Friday Saturday night could be $4

[31:25] or eight instead of $2.

[31:27] Right and bring in another car.

[31:29] Yeah Or bring in another car for certain days.

[31:31] Yeah.

[31:32] Yeah So maybe, look, we could potentially

[31:34] look at doing something like that

[31:35] or if the vehicle is the reason is that one's

[31:37] still see that can be out.

[31:38] I mean, we can schedule hours during that.

[31:41] But it's missing two seats for the position

[31:43] but still then has go forward.

[31:44] Yeah, I mean, it's the driver has asked for two basically.

[31:47] Yeah Yeah.

[31:48] As effective as the sedan.

[31:49] Oh, it's just one seat.

[31:51] It's just on.

[31:51] There is a new, a new requirement that there's

[31:54] only one other seat.

[31:56] So.

[31:56] So it only seats one person essentially.

[31:58] But yeah.

[32:01] OK.

[32:02] What's that?

[32:03] Clarify it within the rideshare industry

[32:05] is there a stat like Uber and left

[32:08] or on a 10% cancellation rate after imagine

[32:09] it's a fraction of this I'm sure it's a fraction of this.

[32:12] OK so many more of them out there.

[32:13] And and their rates are a lot higher.

[32:15] Yeah.

[32:16] The they balance everything out with their fares.

[32:18] Yeah.

[32:18] Well, it's interesting because we have the Uber ride

[32:20] discount code on the weekends.

[32:22] So it's cheaper for, for me often to use the discount

[32:25] code and Uber than it is to me.

[32:26] Take care.

[32:27] Circuit when it's to people.

[32:28] Yeah but, but that's, again that's not, that's not,

[32:30] that's not if you're on, you know, the fort lot of Dallas

[32:33] uses circuit right.

[32:34] Is there any consideration for being able to partner.

[32:37] So there's like a transfer over to get people

[32:39] to the beach you know we sort of meet our zones, meet together.

[32:41] Yeah.

[32:42] I think that I think that's absolutely

[32:44] a discussion to be had.

[32:45] And we have a great relationship with the city.

[32:47] We're already crossing I mean, we're

[32:49] doing everything from galt Mile Lauderdale by the sea

[32:54] so we're going pretty far down.

[32:56] There is a little bit of a gap south of Oakland Park Boulevard

[33:00] but we're covering most of it.

[33:02] And I think that there'd be open to that discussion.

[33:04] And it's an easy transfer even going from here,

[33:06] say, to like Los all us right or something like that.

[33:08] Potentially we could if they meet that instance,

[33:11] I would definitely recommend.

[33:12] OK Vans or SUVs.

[33:14] We're doing all those now.

[33:15] OK.

[33:16] Because I think I think I think if our cancellation

[33:17] rates so high.

[33:18] It is to have a vehicle be gone to go

[33:20] to the beach to take it out of commission for 15,

[33:22] 20 minutes is too much.

[33:23] But if there's a partnership with Fort Lauderdale, you know,

[33:25] their businesses are benefiting or

[33:27] the beach is benefiting, that may

[33:28] be something we're considering.

[33:29] I would just note, I don't think the beach

[33:31] trips would be impact that much because during the day.

[33:34] We're not that busy We get busy at night

[33:36] and that car would be onto necessarily going

[33:38] to the beach at night or I didn't

[33:39] envision it doing that more for daytime beach trips.

[33:42] It's interesting.

[33:43] But anyway, the and i probably I've

[33:45] just had a One off random experience,

[33:47] but a lot of times when i've gone to use it,

[33:48] which were not peak hours, you know I guess.

[33:50] Yeah five, maybe five minutes to get in there, you know.

[33:53] But I think that that's still a beach time, at least

[33:55] coming back from the beach.

[33:56] But you know, so it's something to look into Lastly, we have

[34:00] a basically like a revenue share type contract radio

[34:03] and that includes everything, including

[34:04] the wrapping of vehicle is digital that or the advertising,

[34:07] etc.

[34:08] How much in digital this.

[34:10] Maybe I should question for him.

[34:11] How much in digital ads have you run in your app next?

[34:13] Did not notice visual ads.

[34:14] Not much Yeah Yeah your the wrapping I think is a fair price

[34:17] your rate for those digital ads.

[34:18] I got it's absolutely ludicrous.

[34:20] It's not at all competitive in the market at all.

[34:22] It's like wildly gone you know.

[34:24] But i think that's a real opportunity, you know,

[34:26] to look at that.

[34:26] I'll, I'll speak I'll win on that one.

[34:28] Thanks for the feedback I kind of love it.

[34:31] Think it's great.

[34:32] It's really an awesome addition.

[34:33] Thank you.

[34:33] And I'm happy to set up a meeting with the city

[34:35] of Fort Lauderdale just to note their service right now is free.

[34:39] We're trying to get them to turn off around,

[34:41] so maybe this would be a good opportunity

[34:43] to make some connections there.

[34:46] But thank you so much I think everybody in the city

[34:49] uses circuit, really enjoys it.

[34:51] I think all of us here have used it to go somewhere in the city.

[34:55] So keep up the good work Thank you so much.

[34:58] Thank you, dear.

[34:58] You too All right.

[35:02] One of the things I want to say before coming to the public

[35:04] not last Sunday was Navy Week.

[35:08] And Cathy from overseas cafe on Oakland Park.

[35:11] She's a well-mannered She got together with me.

[35:16] And we with the city manager.

[35:19] And we got the Hague and Park here

[35:21] and we served Hundreds sailors for dinner a week Sunday.

[35:26] And after that, Nora and I went to 25 sailors

[35:32] and went down the drive and showed them

[35:34] the drive and the different bars and what a what a great time

[35:38] they had going down Wilton Drive and seeing

[35:42] the support and the smiles and the come on in.

[35:46] Let's get you a drink, you know, and let's have a shot at

[35:49] and blah, blah, blah.

[35:50] And by 10:00, some of the people that were

[35:54] in the Navy here, they were like,

[35:55] I'm a little nervous going in.

[35:57] And this and that and the other By the other night.

[36:00] This one big burly navy man, he comes up to me goes,

[36:04] This is the best night I've ever had in my life

[36:08] So the warmth and the and that what the people have,

[36:13] what manners do to make life just better

[36:16] here proved that that night when we

[36:18] went around with those sailors and did that.

[36:20] So all the bars and restaurants that asked us to come in

[36:24] and gave them food and gave them drink,

[36:26] I went to thank them all for what they did for our servicemen

[36:31] that put on their lives, for their lives

[36:33] in line to protect our country.

[36:35] And I just want to make sure everybody knew that Kathy

[36:38] from over E-Z cafe is the one that put that on, got

[36:41] all the food donated, got all the booze donated for him,

[36:43] and it was a wonderful night.

[36:46] So i think everybody who got involved in it.

[36:49] Thank you.

[36:50] All right Comments from the public, anyone from the poet

[36:52] come up and speaks, please state your name and your address.

[36:57] And you have three minutes.

[36:59] Hi, Jubal Singer 411 Northeast 27th Street.

[37:03] Will banners I have and keeping theme tonight

[37:08] with our lovely entertainer at district

[37:10] and also our public safety.

[37:13] I think that's what makes Wilton Manors special here.

[37:16] So we designed an app.

[37:18] It's called Wilton Drive It's on currently available on iPhone

[37:23] and Android iD.

[37:24] We're in what's called a soft launch because we're past beta

[37:27] but you can download it.

[37:29] We're in the process of adding content to it.

[37:32] The app has local business profiles

[37:35] It has nonprofit resource a feature

[37:41] as well as a public safety feature

[37:44] and we took the public safety program Safe Places.

[37:48] And put it in.

[37:50] You can hit the button, and it says to the local businesses

[37:53] that are part of the program.

[37:57] And it's an app for economic development and public safety,

[38:01] but it's also wrapped in it has a yearly calendar of events

[38:05] for the entertainment district or things that are happening

[38:07] in the city this way, users will keep coming back because they're

[38:11] used to they want to go to the calendar

[38:13] right now we're partnering with chambers of Commerce

[38:15] to upload businesses and events to pad it with content.

[38:20] So we'll be officially launched in about three months.

[38:23] But you can download it now and look at the safe place feature

[38:25] and check it out.

[38:26] But it's not official yet.

[38:28] Also we are offering the city and our partnership

[38:31] I met with the city manager, Leanne,

[38:33] and out of that meeting we decided that we were offer

[38:37] the city and our partnership like 30 free profiles

[38:40] for their departments, police department

[38:42] parks and recreations, etc.

[38:44] In exchange.

[38:45] We were hoping to work with the police department

[38:48] and videotape the safe Place program

[38:51] and put it in the app for on demand video

[38:54] like you do college courses so that business and restaurants

[38:58] can keep their employees up to date by watching the video

[39:01] to keep the Safe Place program Very active and compliant,

[39:05] but also the app will absorb all liability

[39:09] So I know that's another issue.

[39:10] Public Safety liability.

[39:11] So that's why I gave the city manager City Attorney,

[39:14] you have a copy of the proposal All key people have

[39:16] a copy of the proposal tonight and I'm

[39:19] hoping to move forward working with the city

[39:21] and increase the Safe Place program,

[39:23] also working with Seattle, where the city worked

[39:27] with to get the program from.

[39:29] And they have over 400 cities that are in this program.

[39:32] So if I succeed or we succeed in what matters,

[39:36] imagine what this can do for the rest of the cities

[39:39] in the programs So I just wanted to share

[39:42] all that with you today.

[39:43] Again if you download it, please be a little forgiving.

[39:45] We got a couple more months before it's actually complete.

[39:48] Thank you very much.

[39:49] Thank you.

[39:50] Anyone else want to come up and speak Good evening, Adrian Folan

[40:06] 440, Northeast 23rd Street.

[40:09] I was just reviewing the calendar.

[40:12] The agenda and I'm glad to see under the unfinished business

[40:16] the talk about the rezoning and the land

[40:19] use It's great that I'm that we're having this conversation

[40:23] because when I meet with developers,

[40:26] I always have to talk about the land

[40:28] use zoning and the current use zoning

[40:32] or like the future land use.

[40:34] And this and that and you know, I thank God Roberta and her team

[40:37] are always available to like help me talk with people

[40:40] on what does it mean.

[40:42] And how do you manage that difference.

[40:45] So I'm really happy to see that we're going to talk about this

[40:48] and get them all in synchronized fashion

[40:51] in the different spot areas where

[40:53] we have this like ambiguity.

[40:55] Thank you.

[40:57] Thank you Robert.

[41:10] Mr. Robert, had they called Angels National catholic Church

[41:13] at 1436 Northeast 26th Avenue, What matters a month ago

[41:18] November My parish is registered in Ward,

[41:20] something we talked about prepared for However,

[41:23] we couldn't prepare for what happened

[41:26] the rest of the meeting.

[41:27] A Sunday night and think leads me

[41:28] to Sunday night's a person i see a judge the morning, we wind up.

[41:32] Thanks to the kindness of officer Steven and Julio

[41:35] that person of a person was taken to fiancee

[41:37] so their personal belongings should be taken

[41:39] and i have to go to the county jail, lock up.

[41:41] The officer was very kind and made

[41:43] the ride to the jail pleasant and not

[41:44] a frightening experience.

[41:45] So thank you, Chief especially Officer steve and Angela.

[41:49] Go team care and compassion in the service of what matters

[41:53] Thank you Anyone else like to speak

[42:04] Good evening Mike Sense of our 1425 northeast 23rd Street.

[42:08] I too.

[42:09] By the way, that sounds like a great app That dude mentioned.

[42:13] I too to was going to address item 11 be the rezoning as did

[42:21] my colleague I actually live in that zone middle river plaza i

[42:26] live on northeast 23rd between where

[42:30] the metropolitan is and 15 while you know

[42:35] my home is an r d ten zone.

[42:37] It's actually land use tosee you know,

[42:41] I think it's good that the commission go

[42:43] through the various subdivisions of the city

[42:46] and try to make sense The patchwork

[42:48] and the mismatching of zoning with land use.

[42:52] Appreciate it.

[42:52] Makes sense of it, especially for developers.

[42:55] And we're very keen on trying to get development

[42:59] moving for our tax base.

[43:01] So where i live in that little section,

[43:04] I would say it's 90% duplexes.

[43:08] I can think of maybe six single family homes

[43:13] listed as a single family home.

[43:15] But I think every home on my block and including a duplex

[43:20] townhomes, I think on 24th there's a couple of single

[43:24] family homes, but not many.

[43:26] So changing it to Tosa East would make sense.

[43:31] Also brings in column Sachi and the piece of property

[43:33] that the city owns There and we give the city

[43:36] more options for that property.

[43:38] So i'm in favor of this I would like to hear

[43:42] future discussion on this.

[43:44] And I also think other areas of city should be examined for,

[43:48] you know making more sense of what

[43:50] seems to be somewhat of an arc you know,

[43:54] system of zoning and land use.

[43:57] Thank you Thank you.

[43:59] Anyone else like to speak I see none.

[44:02] Not close to public hearing reports from boards Introduction

[44:07] and update by Parks and Recreation Board.

[44:10] I think, John, you're the leader of the board Come on up.

[44:16] Former Mayor Bill mears.

[44:19] Thank you.

[44:19] Mayor John Fiore I share the Parks

[44:22] Rec Recreation Advisory board.

[44:25] I'm very honored to do it to assist our outstanding Parks

[44:29] and Rec staff to have a improve and improve the quality

[44:35] of our parks and to the services that we provide

[44:37] to our residents and guests.

[44:38] And they do a great job.

[44:40] This last year, we had a number of accomplishments.

[44:43] I'd like to go over quickly with you.

[44:45] We reviewed and approved the co-sponsorship,

[44:48] including events like the plays of Walton our son

[44:52] serve and legacy builders.

[44:54] We reviewed and make recommendations for the approval

[44:57] of the park name change from Island City Park Reserve

[45:01] to Stafford Park reviewed and made individual recommendations

[45:05] regarding the legal services fee schedule review nominations

[45:10] for the levers leisure Services, employee of the quarter

[45:13] and selected winners for each quarter

[45:15] And that was really difficult because we have

[45:17] really great employees there.

[45:19] We really do We also propose ideas for future events and park

[45:23] design Review leaves are services updates including

[45:27] incoming programs special events and ongoing improvement projects

[45:32] and finally reviewed the rules and regulation for what matters

[45:36] parks and recreation facilities And that is

[45:40] our contribution for the year.

[45:43] All right.

[45:43] We're doing more of them for you next year

[45:45] Thank Any questions for John Thank you for your service.

[45:50] John are all your board members here This one.

[45:56] This one, do do.

[45:59] Oh.

[46:00] Oh yeah.

[46:01] Robert That's right.

[46:02] Yeah.

[46:02] Well, I have some specific appreciation for you

[46:05] and I'll get you your three that are here.

[46:07] Elena, Robert.

[46:09] John, come on up Thank you, John.

[46:16] This is John Thank you, Elena You.

[46:29] You And think about your on your board.

[46:40] You know, we started the nonprofit works

[46:45] so the city can step off the board and things

[46:51] like this You you Already consent

[47:33] and any we hold your in one motion.

[47:38] I'll make the motion there a second.

[47:40] Second.

[47:41] I will second it.

[47:43] All right Call the first by vice mayor caputo.

[47:48] Yes.

[47:48] Commissioner Dominio Yes, Commissioner Rocky.

[47:51] Yes.

[47:52] Commissioner Rowley?

[47:52] Yes.

[47:53] I may renew in all right.

[47:56] Ordinance First Reading Ordinance 2020 5-003.

[48:00] Please read an ordinance of the City Commission of the city

[48:08] of Wilton Manors, Florida Approving and authorizing

[48:11] the proper city officials of the city of Wilton Manors

[48:14] to execute a charging station lease agreement.

[48:17] An addendum with Abco Services lLC for an Eva charging platform

[48:23] at City hall, providing for a complex,

[48:25] providing for severability and providing for an effective date.

[48:28] Thank you.

[48:29] You.

[48:29] There a motion?

[48:32] I'll make the motion for a second.

[48:35] I will.

[48:35] Second City Manager Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[48:38] This project came out of the city's goal

[48:40] of providing additional electric vehicle charging stations

[48:44] for our community, as well as identifying ongoing revenue

[48:47] sources This ordinance authorizes a lease agreement

[48:51] with each to provide electric vehicle

[48:54] charging stations at the city hall and Hagan Park parking lot.

[48:57] Under the agreement.

[48:58] If we go with lease Eleven parking spaces in the very rear

[49:03] of the lot adjacent to the volleyball courts to provide

[49:07] the modern electric charging stations,

[49:09] the three spots that they currently use adjacent to Walton

[49:12] Drive will be converted back to public parking Under

[49:16] the agreement, the city will receive

[49:18] revenue per space the first year revenue is $39,600.

[49:23] That will increase by 3% every year of the contract.

[49:26] It's a 15 year term at the end of the 15th year,

[49:30] the city will have received over 736,000

[49:34] in revenue and the agreement can be extended

[49:36] an additional Five years.

[49:38] The question is for city manager.

[49:42] Good.

[49:44] Yet Thank you building.

[49:47] It's our it was on to back okay yes

[49:54] bad so I had a couple of questions and comments

[50:00] I guess on page one eight of the package.

[50:02] It's the staff report under item D,

[50:05] it talks about ten additional EV charging stations.

[50:11] And just for the record, I don't think that's correct

[50:13] So we already have we have three currently.

[50:17] We're going to 11, so I guess that's eight additional.

[50:20] We have one station.

[50:22] But it takes three spaces Right now, I see.

[50:27] OK.

[50:28] So so we are going to 11.

[50:32] How many vehicle charging stations will there be ?

[50:40] Good evening.

[50:41] Deal.

[50:41] Sanchez Human Resources Director, The plan

[50:44] is to build a new chartstring station

[50:46] They will take 11 spaces.

[50:49] It will be ten charging stations capable of charging

[50:51] ten vehicles at a time.

[50:53] The 11 space will be utilized to create two ADA

[50:57] accessible charging stations.

[50:59] This charging station currently charges one vehicle at a time

[51:04] but does take three parking spaces.

[51:07] One said station is built, this will be eliminated and converted

[51:11] back to regular parking.

[51:13] So we are going from one charging station to ten.

[51:18] That is correct.

[51:19] OK.

[51:20] I guess i guess my concern we're taking up 11 and park iNG spaces

[51:27] and then we also have five spaces

[51:31] being utilized for circuit.

[51:32] It's 16 parking spaces I guess I'm just concerned about using

[51:40] up so many parking spaces for charging stations You know,

[51:44] it wasn't that long ago that we just paid $1 million to put 23

[51:49] parking spaces on 11th Avenue.

[51:53] And here we using up 16 of them to do we

[51:57] know why we need to go from 1 to 10.

[51:59] It just seems like a very large jump and it's a very long term.

[52:04] It's a 15 year lease.

[52:06] There's two reasons.

[52:07] One, there is a lot of demand for electric vehicle charging

[52:11] at times we have up to five vehicles

[52:13] right now in looking at proposals

[52:17] from different companies This will not cost the city anything,

[52:21] but there is a an investment from every go.

[52:24] So in order for them to be able to offer the charging stations

[52:29] at no cost to the city, it does require the commitment

[52:33] of the charging stations.

[52:34] And for that period of time, it just

[52:36] seems like a very long lease.

[52:38] We actually reduced that it was a bit longer

[52:41] and a higher amount, so we we asked for the 15 year option

[52:46] with lower rates to cancel.

[52:49] And it does reduce if we do need to cancel.

[52:53] We also have a provision in there

[52:55] that if we decide to redevelop this property

[52:58] the city does have the option to relocate those Chargers

[53:00] to another location throughout the city at our expense contract

[53:05] and not pay the cancellation fee.

[53:08] I understand the revenue.

[53:10] We're saying is 39,600 for the first year.

[53:13] Do we know what the loss to the revenue

[53:15] is from the parking meter income?

[53:18] Absolutely.

[53:20] We used that area because it's one of the most underutilized

[53:24] areas of the parking lot.

[53:26] It's usually busy Friday and Saturday nights,

[53:28] but not during the week We anticipated

[53:31] occupying less than 25% of the year over the period

[53:37] of the term of this lease.

[53:39] It would be $262,000.

[53:41] If we assume those all those parking spaces

[53:44] utilize at 25% of the time.

[53:46] I'm sorry, that's over the term of the lease.

[53:48] And what would the revenue be Over the terminal

[53:50] So that would be the loss of parking.

[53:54] If we use it strictly for parking and not charging.

[53:56] So 262,000 is the loss and the total

[54:00] revenue 700 and something The 15 year,

[54:05] it would be over 700, 700,000.

[54:07] OK So it's like a $500,000 increase?

[54:10] Yes.

[54:11] And would this where would this revenue

[54:16] go in the budget It would go to the general fund

[54:20] because the parking of the property itself

[54:23] is owned by the general fund.

[54:26] So it would go back to the general fund

[54:27] I would expect it to go to the parking and mobility fund.

[54:33] That's where the revenue currently is going Right.

[54:35] For the 260,000 currently goes to the parking and mobility.

[54:40] That's the potential that we could be losing it.

[54:43] I'm not saying that that's what we're bringing in right now.

[54:45] That's the potential.

[54:46] If it were utilized at 25% of the time.

[54:48] Right.

[54:48] But anyway revenue that's brought in from parking

[54:50] would go to the transportation and mobility and parking.

[54:54] Yes So you're saying this would not go there.

[54:57] So it would go to the general fund?

[54:59] Yes, sir OK.

[55:01] We could split it, too.

[55:02] I mean, what why would it go to the general fund?

[55:05] It's a it's a lease.

[55:07] The essentially paying to lease the space.

[55:11] We could transfer that.

[55:12] We could make it the payment transfer back to the parking

[55:15] fund or something.

[55:15] I mean, that's something a commission would decide, right?

[55:17] Yes Yeah, that's just our recommendation.

[55:19] It's a commission decision.

[55:20] It's a policy decision of how the revenue is allocated.

[55:23] But we would recommend general fund

[55:24] because it's a lease of the space in line

[55:26] with just in line with that, the spot that Ethan rents,

[55:30] Where does that go to leave?

[55:32] That is if that's a lease, that's parking.

[55:36] But they're leasing a parking spot.

[55:37] Why would that be different I'm just throwing it out there.

[55:42] I'm not committed one way or another.

[55:43] I just think that's for consistency purposes Yeah.

[55:47] Yeah.

[55:47] And we don't it's not like, you know

[55:49] so we're saying because we own this,

[55:51] that we're getting the lease payment.

[55:52] But we don't get a payment for those other spaces that

[55:55] are in the parking program.

[55:56] Right?

[55:56] So it's, it's really one doesn't lease from the general fund.

[55:59] So you you're correct.

[56:01] The parking fund is not least the space from the general fund.

[56:05] OK.

[56:05] It ultimately, it's a commission decision.

[56:08] As I say, we can put it where we want to put it.

[56:09] So we.

[56:11] Okay, there's something I wanted to bring back

[56:13] where the money's going to go.

[56:15] If it all going to go to parking or is going to be split

[56:17] or whatever it might be that has to be decided tonight

[56:23] You know, for me, if I was going to approve something like this,

[56:26] I would want to, frankly know that it

[56:27] was going to go to the parking.

[56:28] I think it's sort of unfair to the residents to take that away.

[56:31] It's like a loss in revenue to parking, which, you know,

[56:33] is supposed to pay for more parking

[56:35] or for certain underwrite circuit so we could

[56:37] get another circuit vehicle or something

[56:38] like that That is for me.

[56:40] Yeah, I would agree with that.

[56:41] Just for what I agree to is I agree to a point.

[56:44] Part of it would be whatever we were losing

[56:45] to begin with by the parking spaces

[56:47] that were being used before.

[56:48] Yes, that money should go to the parking and the rest.

[56:51] That would be something this commission could decide,

[56:53] because I don't think the whole 700,000 should go

[56:55] to two parking when the way it's set up now,

[57:00] it's not going there.

[57:00] It would never get that much amount anyway.

[57:02] So I maybe give a little more to parking fund,

[57:05] but I think some very general funding.

[57:08] Listen, our taxes are going to are rising this year,

[57:12] we're not going to be as good as we were last year.

[57:15] You know, prices of housing has gone down.

[57:17] So that's going to change things.

[57:19] So there's a lot of factors in here

[57:21] that I'm not going to say it's only going to go to one spot

[57:23] right now.

[57:24] We've got to make sure we're what we need the money for.

[57:27] That's on.

[57:28] Yes.

[57:28] And but in fairness, we just we raise the parking rates.

[57:31] Right.

[57:31] To make to make sure that the parking fund was solving

[57:33] cover all the expenses.

[57:35] So you know it's 2 2 it's one thing to say we're going to go

[57:40] to the general fund because we don't you

[57:42] know, we don't on taxes, raise.

[57:43] We need the revenue.

[57:44] But it's another to do that.

[57:45] And then potentially at some point,

[57:46] the future raise parking rates again,

[57:48] when we could have made it whole by just

[57:50] putting this money there.

[57:50] Again, that's a hypothetical.

[57:51] No one's suggesting a raise for the parking here,

[57:53] but magic question you said that there's you know,

[57:57] there are going to be more over here.

[57:58] Now.

[57:59] So what do we find out in a year or six months

[58:01] that really we're only using six of them?

[58:04] We really don't need all ten.

[58:05] They're not being used, you know I mean, you know,

[58:08] by a percentage of all of them, Is there anything

[58:12] in the contract that states that they would take some out

[58:14] if they're not being used in, then

[58:16] there's not because of the cost involved

[58:19] in building them to begin with.

[58:20] And even if they're not utilized,

[58:22] they do have an obligation to pay rent to the city,

[58:25] whether they're being used or not.

[58:26] So we will be receiving that revenue, whether they're

[58:28] being used or not.

[58:29] OK But, you know so these spots are in addition

[58:36] to the circuit spots?

[58:38] That is correct And is there a way that since we

[58:43] control the circuit.

[58:44] Right.

[58:44] The circuit doesn't rent those spots Correct.

[58:47] We control the spots.

[58:48] Is there a way we could work it out where

[58:50] the circuit could use the ten spots that

[58:53] are going to be put in there?

[58:55] So we don't need to take up as many parking spots?

[58:58] Have we explored that Well, if then it would make that parking,

[59:02] that spot unavailable for someone that's there to charge

[59:05] if they use those spaces.

[59:06] But they're fast chargers, right?

[59:08] And I don't know, circuit people aren't here anymore.

[59:11] I don't know if they're the vehicles

[59:14] like allow for fast charging.

[59:16] So some of them don't the gym vehicles

[59:19] these Chargers would not be able to be

[59:21] charge on those fast chargers.

[59:23] Their killer would be able to.

[59:25] But not.

[59:26] So then.

[59:27] Not a possibility to try to limit the amount of spots

[59:30] by doing that.

[59:31] Okay.

[59:32] And the amount of the electric that's being used

[59:38] gets charged to the company, correct?

[59:40] Correct.

[59:41] And then they're just leasing the parking spot, Correct.

[59:43] They pay all the cost.

[59:43] They put it in separate meters.

[59:45] So whoever, however they figure that out they

[59:47] will work with that and have a scenario

[59:48] way for our residents to get like a cheaper

[59:51] rate than nonresidents.

[59:54] Not currently.

[59:55] That is One thing that we're exploring different options

[59:58] going forward with.

[59:59] If you go on different programs that they are looking into,

[1:00:02] they do not currently exist.

[1:00:04] OK.

[1:00:04] That would be a good offering for our residents

[1:00:07] Then we're taking up more parking spots are.

[1:00:10] And hopefully that satisfy some people.

[1:00:12] Okay great One one of the question

[1:00:17] I understand that the Chargers is not

[1:00:18] compatible with all vehicles.

[1:00:20] Do we do we understand what vehicles it's not compatible

[1:00:26] with you chair those and what percentage of the market

[1:00:28] is that?

[1:00:28] Because I think we all.

[1:00:30] I don't think any of us think that all 11, 10 or 10

[1:00:33] spots would be filled all the time.

[1:00:34] But I recognize we have to go to that number

[1:00:35] to make it make sense to put in the infrastructure.

[1:00:38] If I may, I'll ask Matt from Evie.

[1:00:40] Go.

[1:00:41] Who's here to explain the details of the Chargers

[1:00:44] name and address, please.

[1:00:45] Matthew Collins to 7 or 9 fourths Club Drive.

[1:00:48] Plant City Good evening, Mayor.

[1:00:50] Vice Mayor.

[1:00:50] Commissioners I'm a regional director for Go.

[1:00:53] So our Chargers are what's called car us.

[1:00:55] So we kind of do everybody but Tesla.

[1:00:58] So GM, Ford, everybody.

[1:01:00] Tesla just does the one the four cars we have.

[1:01:02] And that's it We'll do everybody else.

[1:01:04] Now we do are going to plan to roll out nax in the future

[1:01:08] but we would probably test it and say, hey, guys.

[1:01:10] Let's look at the city.

[1:01:11] Are you guys filling up those ten Chargers,

[1:01:12] which we think we will because this is going

[1:01:15] to be the biggest site really from Fort

[1:01:17] Lauderdale to Palm Beach.

[1:01:19] I looked at the maps and there's nothing like this out there.

[1:01:22] Oh so you guys are gonna be the biggest one.

[1:01:24] We think it will be filled, or at least probably 70%

[1:01:26] for Uber drivers and everybody else in the city.

[1:01:30] Cars because of city cars and things like that.

[1:01:31] So.

[1:01:32] So you guys are obviously advertising this on on networks

[1:01:35] of where fast car Chargers.

[1:01:36] All right.

[1:01:37] That's how that's how you're going to attract

[1:01:38] people to use that aren't just read

[1:01:39] reds presence is that correct.

[1:01:40] Correct.

[1:01:41] So we have our app, which is if you go up

[1:01:43] and we have plug share, we're part of that.

[1:01:45] And so we have two apps that go about 4

[1:01:46] million users across the US The as you mentioned,

[1:01:54] I think that I'm sorry.

[1:01:55] I didn't get the acronym for you said some new one is coming.

[1:01:57] Is that something that is Tesla compatible or what's the tesla

[1:02:00] is just nax is so North America charging standard and so

[1:02:04] what we and everybody else does.

[1:02:05] I get the feeling Tesla's market share is starting

[1:02:08] to shrink a little bit.

[1:02:09] What is their percentage of market share?

[1:02:10] Relative to the total TV market?

[1:02:12] It's about 70% of them there.

[1:02:14] 70% of the market.

[1:02:15] Right.

[1:02:16] But they already have their own network, right?

[1:02:18] So for shoot out, 140,000 Chargers adapters

[1:02:21] for Tesla and found out 90% of the users

[1:02:24] are still using the cars.

[1:02:25] Right.

[1:02:26] So we still have about 300,000 cars joining the market

[1:02:29] every quarter that are cars.

[1:02:31] So we serve that whole market.

[1:02:32] How long when someone's doing a fast charge, how long are they

[1:02:35] sit here for?

[1:02:36] About 20, 25 minutes.

[1:02:38] OK Because we're doing 350.

[1:02:40] So the ones you have out there are about 50kW.

[1:02:44] We're doing 350.

[1:02:45] This is a wild question.

[1:02:46] I'm sure you don't have it.

[1:02:47] Butts in time for them to go get something.

[1:02:49] Well, that's actually the masking.

[1:02:50] That was my wild question is, do you

[1:02:52] have any stats about the percentage of like,

[1:02:53] you know, what people do during that, you know, do they do.

[1:02:55] They go and walk to a nearby restaurant or just

[1:02:58] so we do we think that it brings and I guess on your deck

[1:03:00] if you guys want us to in industry

[1:03:02] we think it brings about a 20% increase

[1:03:05] that a local like market kind of.

[1:03:07] So if it's like a restaurant or and I walked around

[1:03:11] to see what we have a lot of good restaurants

[1:03:13] right here the charging walk over to they're going

[1:03:15] for a nonalcoholic cocktail OK so so you know, in my mind,

[1:03:22] when we were first talking about this,

[1:03:24] I was thinking of it in terms of our residents

[1:03:25] who just happened to know it's there.

[1:03:26] But it's you're doing your model based on much larger stats

[1:03:29] about the availability of these in the area where

[1:03:32] exactly in the parking lot with these video

[1:03:35] these will be in the corner close

[1:03:36] to the entrance to the volleyball court.

[1:03:39] It will form an L where circuit is currently right now,

[1:03:43] as well as where we have the employee apartment

[1:03:47] parking only facing 21st court.

[1:03:50] OK And this may also be a ridiculous question

[1:03:53] I think do this one.

[1:03:54] Do you do is the you know I know we have

[1:03:56] that other kind of mini lot that's over

[1:03:58] in the corner of this property.

[1:03:59] There's and I don't remember the topography.

[1:04:01] Is there any operating any place in this property

[1:04:03] to create some additional spots, you know,

[1:04:05] for the spots that we're losing from some of this revenue

[1:04:07] or no we have this slot is pretty much

[1:04:11] developed to its maximum use.

[1:04:13] So there's really no opportunity other than to reap introduce

[1:04:18] the three spaces that we're losing to the one charger

[1:04:20] right now just to minimize the number of parking spaces

[1:04:22] that we're losing If the circuit needed

[1:04:29] to expand because we wanted to add additional circuit.

[1:04:31] But there would be room We do have right now five spaces

[1:04:36] that we utilize and there are three vehicles there.

[1:04:38] So we do have the ability to add up to two more vehicles, four

[1:04:41] circuit without having to expand So the space is there,

[1:04:45] but we do have the ability in the area

[1:04:48] that we're moving them to, which is to the other side of the gas

[1:04:50] pump.

[1:04:51] And i would imagine based on what you said, that there would

[1:04:56] be more people coming from surrounding areas I would

[1:04:58] imagine it's not going to impact traffic on Wilton Drive,

[1:05:01] correct You mean more traffic?

[1:05:05] Correct They'll be there for a short period of time.

[1:05:08] So I don't think it will increase traffic

[1:05:11] on Wilton Drive Oh, okay.

[1:05:13] Perfect And yeah, so in addition to the hard dollars

[1:05:17] we're getting there may be soft dollars in terms of people

[1:05:20] driving through, stopping at public,

[1:05:21] stopping at a sushi place and things like that.

[1:05:25] So I'm supportive of this.

[1:05:26] And right now that's what they do,

[1:05:28] because I see them using our current charger

[1:05:30] and they park there and they go across the street for coffee

[1:05:32] or something like that.

[1:05:33] Walk around Any other questions Can I ask one?

[1:05:38] We have two signature events, right?

[1:05:41] We have Stonewall, Wicked Manners

[1:05:43] Is it possible to to allow parking in those spots

[1:05:48] during the two signature events when parking

[1:05:51] is at a premium Yes, sir.

[1:05:53] There is a provision in the contract for up to three days

[1:05:56] for maintenance.

[1:05:57] Anything that the city deems that we need the parking we

[1:06:01] could restrict the Chargers after three days.

[1:06:04] And it does affect our rent.

[1:06:05] But and it's not it's not three consecutive days.

[1:06:08] It's just no For after three consecutive days,

[1:06:11] it does affect the rent.

[1:06:12] But we could close it for up to three days at a time.

[1:06:14] If we need it, for maintenance, for special events and things

[1:06:16] like that.

[1:06:17] OK You thought of it all.

[1:06:18] Good.

[1:06:19] All right.

[1:06:19] That's.

[1:06:20] That's good news.

[1:06:20] Thank you.

[1:06:21] We do have a deal.

[1:06:22] Just tell me the dates.

[1:06:22] And I would just turn them off.

[1:06:24] Okay.

[1:06:25] Wonderful Thank you.

[1:06:27] All right Thank you all.

[1:06:33] The question, Vice Mayor Caputo?

[1:06:35] Yes Commissioner Dominio Yes, Commissioner Rocky.

[1:06:39] Yes.

[1:06:40] Commissioner Rowley.

[1:06:41] Yes Mayor Newton.

[1:06:42] Yes.

[1:06:44] Oh, What I did have one more question.

[1:06:46] Is it possible for me to look like I

[1:06:49] can ask you a separate question everyone would want to know.

[1:06:52] You said right now, but don't ask me answer right now.

[1:06:54] But what is the timeline It's not a big deal

[1:07:00] I don't think that tourney will get to know.

[1:07:03] We've been working on now that it's been approved, what

[1:07:06] is the time it's going to come back to you for second reading

[1:07:09] because it's okay so will be at the next commission meeting

[1:07:12] as well.

[1:07:12] We've been working with the for months on this.

[1:07:15] They're ready to go.

[1:07:16] We'll be ready to go.

[1:07:17] Appreciate it.

[1:07:18] All depends on FPL and how fast will move.

[1:07:21] But in speaking to six years, basically

[1:07:24] the goal if if FPL moves is to try

[1:07:29] to have it by Christmas time.

[1:07:31] Perfect.

[1:07:31] Right?

[1:07:32] In time for season four.

[1:07:32] Thank you All right.

[1:07:34] Thank you.

[1:07:36] All right.

[1:07:36] Resolutions resolution 2025 dash 00R033.

[1:07:42] Please read a resolution of the city commission of the city

[1:07:47] of Wilton Manors, Florida, authorizing an amnesty program

[1:07:50] to address current code enforcement fines, including

[1:07:52] those creating a lean upon real property,

[1:07:55] providing for conditions, providing for reduction amounts,

[1:07:58] providing for a termination date, providing for conflicts,

[1:08:01] providing for severability and providing for an effective date

[1:08:04] Thank you.

[1:08:05] Is there a motion I'll make the motion.

[1:08:07] Your second.

[1:08:09] I will second.

[1:08:10] Good luck young gentleman Chief floor is yours.

[1:08:18] Good evening.

[1:08:19] Gary Blocker, Chief of Police department.

[1:08:22] Going back to January 28th, this commission discussed a prospect

[1:08:26] of lean amnesty program and this policy was constructed based

[1:08:30] on your discussions and supplemental One on one feedback

[1:08:34] staff believes that the proposed policy provides clear program

[1:08:37] standards for applicants to understand and also staff

[1:08:41] to process and manage and we asked

[1:08:44] tonight that the Commission finalize a policy,

[1:08:46] as you so desire.

[1:08:48] So as of April 2, there are 124 leaves

[1:08:52] attached to non home properties falling over $9.6 million

[1:08:58] 35 homes that are properties have leaves

[1:09:01] totaling over two $9 million.

[1:09:03] With that grand total being over $12.6 million.

[1:09:09] If we look at this chart here, that's also in the back up.

[1:09:11] You can see where the bulk of the non that lean amounts

[1:09:16] reside.

[1:09:17] 36% of those amounts reside in that 100 to 199,

[1:09:22] 99 Nine category lean amounts on the homes

[1:09:26] that are properties You see the majority lie in that 100 to 1 99

[1:09:31] and nine category at 59% at 1.7 million.

[1:09:36] So what we're proposing tonight is that we run a lean amnesty

[1:09:41] program for a period of one year,

[1:09:44] July first, starting and ending next year, June 30th.

[1:09:48] So anybody who gets an application into us

[1:09:51] within that time frame and the administrative fee

[1:09:54] would be eligible for consideration.

[1:09:57] We're proposing for the first nine months,

[1:10:00] Homestead properties will receive a 9% reduction

[1:10:05] and this excludes fees non homestead properties

[1:10:08] would be reduced by 80%.

[1:10:10] And the last three months those amounts

[1:10:13] would reduce by 10% each.

[1:10:16] And that payment be received within 90 calendar day time.

[1:10:19] The city provides the applicant a notice of approval We're

[1:10:26] talking about eligibility.

[1:10:27] There are seven and they're all listed in the back up.

[1:10:30] If we review a few of them, the property

[1:10:32] that we're talking about shall be income appliance

[1:10:35] with all of the city codes to include those associated

[1:10:38] with that code case and that any and all

[1:10:42] violations on the property shall be compliant prior to apply.

[1:10:45] I know application will be processed until this happens.

[1:10:48] Each lien shall have a minimum face value of $1,000 and they

[1:10:53] shall not be under any order of reduction by the magistrate

[1:10:57] or this Commission eligible leans shall not exceed

[1:11:01] that $250,000 at the time.

[1:11:05] The application is submitted.

[1:11:08] And then should an application be submitted and then

[1:11:10] found not to meet the minimum standards it

[1:11:13] will be rejected by the city.

[1:11:15] The following liens are and fines are not eligible

[1:11:19] for the amnesty program leans arising for unsafe structure

[1:11:22] board actions, orders leaves arising from the Building Safety

[1:11:27] Inspection Program are not eligible until all requirements

[1:11:31] of the Building Safety Inspection Program

[1:11:33] are satisfied to include, but not limited

[1:11:36] to the required repairs.

[1:11:39] You see, the application fees there

[1:11:40] and the staff time associated and also the Lean release fee.

[1:11:45] And these fees are mere legal costs covering recovery staff

[1:11:50] cost recovery in Broward County, a lean release fee we recommend

[1:11:56] no appeals and the determination by the chief of police

[1:12:00] or the Department designee to approve or reject request passed

[1:12:05] shall become final.

[1:12:07] So if approved, we have a communications plan.

[1:12:12] Traditional media, digital media,

[1:12:13] community outreach and direct outreach

[1:12:17] to those specific properties with leans

[1:12:20] and also our program performance metrics

[1:12:25] We're confident that if there's no major changes

[1:12:27] to this presentation or this proposal

[1:12:30] tonight, that we can launch this July first.

[1:12:35] And just as a reminder, at the last commission meeting,

[1:12:38] we did there was a small discussion about a a income

[1:12:44] based reduction program that is in the back

[1:12:49] up for your review or a recall.

[1:12:52] We would recommend that we proceed as a city in the manner

[1:12:57] proposed That's not what I have.

[1:13:00] And questions for the commissioner.

[1:13:01] Thoughts?

[1:13:02] All right, Chief.

[1:13:03] Thank you.

[1:13:04] The questions don't questions from you, bye.

[1:13:11] Think you had a good night.

[1:13:12] So.

[1:13:13] So just to apply.

[1:13:14] So here we go.

[1:13:15] So I'll jump in.

[1:13:15] Let's go.

[1:13:16] So the only comment and I'm happy from discussions

[1:13:20] we had to see the change to include

[1:13:23] non homesteaded properties.

[1:13:24] My thought in that was that we've heard from.

[1:13:27] And we've had cases in front of us

[1:13:29] that people that were looking to move to the city they

[1:13:31] accumulated significant fines that they couldn't live

[1:13:35] in because it wasn't right.

[1:13:36] So, so them wanting to clear that become residents is great.

[1:13:39] That intent.

[1:13:40] What I didn't intend for that was

[1:13:42] to become commercial properties that are not homestead.

[1:13:45] So nonresidential you know, properties which are

[1:13:48] then of course not Homestead.

[1:13:49] Do you have any idea what what number

[1:13:51] or what's the lean value of commercial properties within

[1:13:56] that list The lean value, No.

[1:13:59] What I will tell you is the single family

[1:14:01] residential non homestead.

[1:14:04] It is 54 or 54 properties, multifamily residence, all 12

[1:14:08] properties and commercial 54 properties

[1:14:13] and so I definitely am not in support

[1:14:15] of doing the amnesty for true commercial properties here

[1:14:20] And we don't have a way of knowing

[1:14:21] if it's of distinguished.

[1:14:27] I'm trying to think how you distinguish

[1:14:28] on the residential side.

[1:14:30] If it's a commercial, I guess like an apartment or something

[1:14:33] like that, like it's is there some way to distinguish it

[1:14:35] more than some number of units?

[1:14:36] We can assume it's not owner occupied

[1:14:39] or I'm just throwing it out to the rest of the commission.

[1:14:41] If there's interest, you know, because I don't want

[1:14:43] to say that all residential included,

[1:14:45] if if there are some commercial.

[1:14:46] I think we've seen like some apartment buildings

[1:14:48] come through here that I would consider

[1:14:50] commercial not residential.

[1:14:51] But I think if it's owner occupied,

[1:14:53] they almost always have a homestead protection on it,

[1:14:55] at least for a portion.

[1:14:56] The portion they live.

[1:14:58] But I know it's on our occupied but I'm

[1:15:01] saying that we'd that I'm open to that not I want

[1:15:03] non homesteaded residential properties potentially

[1:15:06] to qualify but not non homesteaded

[1:15:09] you know like a commercial like, you know what like a 20.

[1:15:12] I don't want a 20 unit.

[1:15:13] Exactly.

[1:15:13] To which we've seen it, we've seen that we had the one

[1:15:16] egregious one like that, to me, is this a commercial property

[1:15:18] But the single family, the residential that sort

[1:15:21] of whether it's homestead or not I'd like to see that included.

[1:15:25] I would agree.

[1:15:25] I agree to limit it to as you said, no commercial properties

[1:15:30] So how do we define commercial since we're not

[1:15:33] using Homestead non Homestead?

[1:15:34] Do we define that by nothing more than two like two units?

[1:15:37] Or how would we define with the not traditional residential,

[1:15:41] you know that we're looking to exclude that.

[1:15:44] I mean, to me, if you're three units or more,

[1:15:46] you know that's private.

[1:15:47] You're probably not a lot of duplexes.

[1:15:50] They live in one and they rent out the other Don't know.

[1:15:55] I mean, to get past that, I just I think I don't know.

[1:15:57] And for that, I think for me, I would be in support

[1:16:00] of, you know, nothing.

[1:16:01] 3 units and up, you know qualify guys

[1:16:03] you know because at that point your city if only

[1:16:06] a commercial venture you know if two thirds doesn't qualify

[1:16:09] doesn't qualify for the amnesty provided somebody

[1:16:11] lives in one of those right.

[1:16:14] As long as somebody lives in one in,

[1:16:15] it's homesteaded If if it's Homestead, that's fine.

[1:16:19] You know, that's fine But if it's not homesteaded

[1:16:21] and it's three units or more.

[1:16:23] It shouldn't qualify My opinion no matter what, no matter what.

[1:16:25] Yeah Then can we just step back a second?

[1:16:29] I believe that there is state law that we cannot foreclose

[1:16:33] on a homestead of properties that rent we cannot foreclose

[1:16:37] on a homestead of properties.

[1:16:38] Correct.

[1:16:39] And if there's a multifamily where someone's living there

[1:16:42] and it's partially homestead it.

[1:16:43] I guess we would not be able to do if I may look

[1:16:49] to legal for that, correct?

[1:16:50] Yeah, no problem.

[1:16:51] If it's a condominium and the individual units are owned

[1:16:56] individually those individual units can be Homestead

[1:16:59] in a multiple unit property.

[1:17:02] But if it's a rental community, then none of those units

[1:17:07] are homes that okay.

[1:17:09] But I think what he's getting at is

[1:17:11] I know there's a few properties where there may be a main house

[1:17:16] that the owner and he gets a partial homestead

[1:17:20] and then the two or 3 or 4 units on the property that are being

[1:17:24] rented out doesn't get the homestead exemption

[1:17:27] for tax purposes on that.

[1:17:29] But it has a homestead exemption on the piece of real estate

[1:17:32] which I mean, imagine you can't I was

[1:17:34] on that either I don't know.

[1:17:37] It.

[1:17:37] Yeah I mean.

[1:17:38] So for me, that would I would count

[1:17:40] that property as a homestead property and general to me.

[1:17:42] But I think that was a clarification You were trying.

[1:17:44] No, no.

[1:17:45] And that's correct.

[1:17:46] Yeah.

[1:17:46] Thank you I guess you had given us

[1:17:51] the amnesty program for davie, and I

[1:17:54] believe that was six months.

[1:17:56] I mean, for me, I feel like a year or a really long time here

[1:18:00] And we're offering them, you know,

[1:18:03] a deep discount for the first nine months,

[1:18:06] just for me, it just seems very long day.

[1:18:09] We did six months.

[1:18:11] I, I think I would prefer to bring it down a little bit

[1:18:15] rather than have it go out to a year.

[1:18:18] And we're offering a deeper discount

[1:18:21] for the first nine months.

[1:18:23] I think for me, I would rather see that we due to a shorter

[1:18:26] period to encourage people to do it

[1:18:29] within the first 90 days or 120 days or something like that.

[1:18:35] I think nine months is just a long time to give

[1:18:38] them that maximum discount.

[1:18:40] Couple of comments I would how anyone else feels about does

[1:18:46] the staff have the capability if everyone

[1:18:48] came within the first three months of I'm just asking.

[1:18:51] Great.

[1:18:52] Physically to be able to process.

[1:18:54] It's it's a nice problem to have.

[1:18:56] Yeah yes but it.

[1:18:57] So you would, as long as we would process them first come,

[1:19:01] first serve as long as they get their application in

[1:19:04] and their administrative fee.

[1:19:04] And within that time period they would be eligible whether or not

[1:19:08] we're able to process them.

[1:19:09] After that, you have to okay.

[1:19:10] At first, whatever goes into effect after that.

[1:19:13] And then a question for the city attorney,

[1:19:16] although we can't foreclose on Homestead properties,

[1:19:19] are we allowed to put leans on Homestead, had properties

[1:19:22] So at the time of sale, the Lean would be paid back

[1:19:26] The leans would be placed on the property

[1:19:30] just like any other property.

[1:19:31] You couldn't foreclose it and it wouldn't

[1:19:34] attach much to the homestead building,

[1:19:37] would not attach to the homestead

[1:19:39] And so if the homestead owner sells us and two years from now

[1:19:44] with the lean still be on the property that needed

[1:19:46] to be paid back at the time of sale

[1:19:49] yes, that happens all the time.

[1:19:51] Yeah.

[1:19:51] So although we may not be able to foreclose theoretically,

[1:19:55] you still file a lean and lean.

[1:19:56] You could sit there for 20 or 30 years

[1:19:58] before it's ever collected on, but that's an option.

[1:20:02] Can you go back to the percentages

[1:20:04] of the of the decrease from me for the non homestead?

[1:20:08] It.

[1:20:08] I think 80% is a really, really steep discount generally

[1:20:14] numbs homesteaded properties.

[1:20:16] People don't live here and it's rented out.

[1:20:18] It's owned by an LLC or it's Airbnb out Maybe

[1:20:22] it's a second owner or second home owner.

[1:20:26] However, if it's a second home, they generally take care of it

[1:20:28] better than like a person that's not here full time and is an LLC

[1:20:35] or I'm just using it to rent out So for me,

[1:20:37] I don't want to support the decrease of 80%

[1:20:41] just to try to clean up our books a little bit.

[1:20:43] Doesn't make sense to me.

[1:20:45] I don't know what everyone else thinks, so first what was

[1:20:50] the first time that you were.

[1:20:51] I'm to remember because I thought of that one to.

[1:20:53] But you were talking about that passed to him.

[1:20:55] The one year period.

[1:20:56] Oh, So in the one year here, my concern about not having it be,

[1:21:00] you know, is for launching this now.

[1:21:01] Right.

[1:21:02] You know we're launching in summertime so some number

[1:21:04] of people that would qualify may not be present You know,

[1:21:07] and also we just know like a town town

[1:21:09] crier cycle is like three months potentially for that comes out.

[1:21:12] So I mean maybe down to nine months.

[1:21:15] If it was going to launch in the off season.

[1:21:17] But I think Six months, frankly, people

[1:21:18] don't hear about stuff in the city

[1:21:20] fast enough for them to turn it around in six months.

[1:21:22] I think, too, if i just signed a letter to the owner.

[1:21:25] But if you're not if you're not there because you're you

[1:21:27] live up north.

[1:21:28] Pine and this is a second home, if you're not only here

[1:21:29] six months out of the year you know,

[1:21:31] usually the mailing address of the property appraiser's updated

[1:21:33] different from the well, that.

[1:21:35] And that's what I was going to ask i know some people

[1:21:37] code might know that or chief you

[1:21:39] might know that don't the second home usually

[1:21:41] they have the address of the homestead a property

[1:21:43] or another country or another state.

[1:21:47] I'm sorry As a question again, please.

[1:21:48] The address.

[1:21:49] You have to if you have to send a notice of some kind

[1:21:52] is usually not that address.

[1:21:54] If they have that sort of summer or winter.

[1:21:56] Oh, it's usually their summer home It varies.

[1:22:00] Some are to the property owner out of state,

[1:22:02] some are directly to that home.

[1:22:04] So i mean, like, you know, I think my business where we have

[1:22:06] people that go on hold because they're gone for two months

[1:22:08] during the summer, I don't think they're

[1:22:09] updating backpay for the two months to their address.

[1:22:12] Yeah, but they could do mail forwarding.

[1:22:14] So like you know, but that's just a concern.

[1:22:16] I wouldn't want to see it go any lower than 6 or 9 months,

[1:22:20] you know, just because I think it takes time

[1:22:22] to for us to get the word out.

[1:22:24] I understand on the to some of your point on the non

[1:22:28] homestead I think you know by limiting it

[1:22:30] to say you know residences that are you know 1 or 2 units right.

[1:22:36] It's we're not giving big discounts

[1:22:38] to huge commercial landlords that

[1:22:40] are not taking advantage of it.

[1:22:41] I'm okay with it maybe coming down a little.

[1:22:43] But again, I think about the one gentleman who was a flight

[1:22:45] attendant, I think for United who couldn't live in his place

[1:22:48] because so it wasn't homesteaded yet

[1:22:50] You know, he's he did absolutely become a resident you know,

[1:22:53] like I want.

[1:22:54] And I want him to come in on good terms,

[1:22:56] not be able to get that you know,

[1:22:58] to not say to only do it, say 50% like, you know,

[1:23:01] I would kick him down a little, but not it not a whole time.

[1:23:04] Are there leans current Lee on these properties

[1:23:06] for these amounts of the linesmen already placed.

[1:23:09] Yes, sir.

[1:23:10] The lines were already there And I would imagine it would.

[1:23:16] The letter state that, you know, you can

[1:23:18] take advantage of this amnesty.

[1:23:20] I mean, can we go ahead and fork close on the non

[1:23:25] homestead it or.

[1:23:26] That's what the program we're doing is the 14th.

[1:23:28] So we don't have to.

[1:23:30] So no, I understand.

[1:23:31] But I would i would hope that the letter reiterates

[1:23:35] that the this is an opportunity to clean it

[1:23:38] up prior to foreclosure I like to see

[1:23:41] the letter that they send out.

[1:23:42] Yeah, but I, I guess for me, I would

[1:23:44] like I would like it to include some type of should it should

[1:23:47] I believe.

[1:23:48] Do we send out a letter of didn't we recently to some

[1:23:50] of those that were at the highest value that were

[1:23:52] because we're so we started foreclosing now I think we've

[1:23:54] sent out a letter with just letting them

[1:23:56] know this was going to happen.

[1:23:57] Yes, sir.

[1:23:58] And it should be included again on this, to your point.

[1:24:00] But I notice recently sent that letter out right

[1:24:02] And I did have a question also.

[1:24:04] This is for liens under 250,000.

[1:24:07] There's several I just looked at them.

[1:24:10] There's probably 7 or 8 that make up three.

[1:24:13] And a half million dollars that are over 250,000.

[1:24:18] What is the plan for those that are above that amount?

[1:24:22] We are going to proceed with foreclosure action

[1:24:25] as directed by this commission OK.

[1:24:30] I'm good with that.

[1:24:31] Yeah.

[1:24:32] And those are most likely commercial properties.

[1:24:34] I imagine.

[1:24:35] Anyways, that wouldn't they also that wouldn't qualify.

[1:24:38] Yeah.

[1:24:39] Some of your have some did you take into consideration in terms

[1:24:44] of the costs, the cost for the loans

[1:24:47] have already been recorded.

[1:24:48] The time and the cost to get that production off

[1:24:53] or updated for this program?

[1:24:56] No, sir But I thought we still are.

[1:24:58] We're still collecting the cost.

[1:25:00] The costs don't get reduced Is that correct?

[1:25:01] Yeah.

[1:25:02] Administrative fees So that still gets collected,

[1:25:05] is there not?

[1:25:06] Administrative fee when we end up

[1:25:07] doing the lean that ultimately we are

[1:25:09] therefore collecting that fee?

[1:25:10] No matter what ?

[1:25:12] Repeat the question.

[1:25:14] So there's when we go through this

[1:25:16] we charge an administrative fee as a lean gets applied.

[1:25:18] Yes.

[1:25:19] And that does not get discounted by this

[1:25:20] and are still due for that full So

[1:25:21] we're not we're not losing money on still collecting those fees.

[1:25:24] Correct?

[1:25:25] Yeah.

[1:25:26] But we're still doing recording fees

[1:25:28] for satisfaction of the claim since the liens already recorded

[1:25:31] on the official records.

[1:25:33] But we don't collect, we don't collect a fee to do that when

[1:25:36] someone actually pays us on it.

[1:25:37] Like it's built into that.

[1:25:38] It's built into the cost of that.

[1:25:40] I believe.

[1:25:41] Are you asking that?

[1:25:42] Are we are you asking all we asking for an administrative fee

[1:25:46] to release lean?

[1:25:47] The answer is yes There is that built into the cost that

[1:25:52] is built into this program.

[1:25:54] Yes, sir OK.

[1:25:55] To release a lean.

[1:25:56] Yes, sir.

[1:25:57] The separate fee Yeah.

[1:25:59] All You're good.

[1:26:00] I'm good.

[1:26:01] I'm We're not going to go with commercial properties.

[1:26:04] I'm good with that.

[1:26:05] I'm all right.

[1:26:05] We've changed that.

[1:26:07] There I have a concern on the Homestead properties

[1:26:09] because we can't go to foreclosure on them.

[1:26:14] And we've had there was one recently

[1:26:16] where they came before us.

[1:26:19] We had to do a lease pendants I think it was

[1:26:23] a dependence on city manager.

[1:26:25] The attorney.

[1:26:26] Yes.

[1:26:26] Was it less pendants that file when there's action that

[1:26:31] involves a piece of property to let the public and anyone

[1:26:35] who is interested know that there

[1:26:37] are some legal action pending?

[1:26:39] What impact does this program have on that or does that have

[1:26:42] has no real impact on this?

[1:26:45] Pendants If a bank or or some other lienholder files

[1:26:51] for foreclosure against the property in the city has a lane

[1:26:55] the city will get notified of that lawsuit

[1:26:57] and will respond accordingly So that list

[1:27:01] Pendens is filed together with action for foreclosures.

[1:27:05] Typically in this context, we've had a couple of circumstances

[1:27:09] just the way the timing has worked out that a bank has filed

[1:27:13] a list pendants as part of a foreclosure action,

[1:27:15] and that occurred right before the city filed

[1:27:19] the lean and the way our lean production

[1:27:22] process works that has to be approved by the city commission.

[1:27:26] And so we've had a couple of appeals that have come

[1:27:28] before the commission where a lean has had to be removed

[1:27:32] because it was filed after the Lisbon

[1:27:35] that we don't have an administrate of process

[1:27:38] for that in our code currently right?

[1:27:42] So typically when you file a lean under or after list

[1:27:47] pendants, you your lean is not valid

[1:27:50] as against that particular lawsuit

[1:27:55] and all these things have been filed already.

[1:27:57] Right.

[1:27:57] Everything is on.

[1:27:58] There's already a lien filed.

[1:27:59] So it's not doesn't affect that correct?

[1:28:02] Correct.

[1:28:03] Chief, I have a question.

[1:28:04] I think I remember reading in one of your slides

[1:28:07] that unqualified someone would be

[1:28:10] is if they already went to the magistrate

[1:28:11] for a lien reduction Is that accurate?

[1:28:13] Right.

[1:28:14] That is accurate.

[1:28:15] And what's the purpose behind that?

[1:28:18] You I believe that purpose, which I got from another city

[1:28:24] would be you've already been offered a reduction

[1:28:26] and now you're coming back for a second reduction

[1:28:28] of that reduced amount.

[1:28:30] See, I look at it, it's kind of a little bit different.

[1:28:32] I look at is the person actually took the right steps appeared

[1:28:37] in front of the magistrate.

[1:28:39] Maybe they don't want to spend the money

[1:28:40] to appeal to a commission knowing the way the commission

[1:28:42] is not really reducing them.

[1:28:44] And so they do all the right things

[1:28:46] And then you have other people that just, you know,

[1:28:49] thumb their nose at the city.

[1:28:51] They don't respond to anything.

[1:28:53] And now there's a lean, and we're going to offer them 80%

[1:28:56] or someone else only got 50.

[1:28:57] I don't know if that is this really to the reduction

[1:29:00] in front of class process ?

[1:29:02] Both the magistrate, if they went in front of the magistrate,

[1:29:05] it's too late.

[1:29:06] Oh, I don't to tip magistrate and in or the and/or

[1:29:09] the commission also you know typically

[1:29:10] what happens is the magistrate hears the matter.

[1:29:14] It's a hearing and they've either reduced it

[1:29:17] or not reduced it or reduced it somewhere in between

[1:29:20] And that person, if they're in the line for trying

[1:29:23] to go for amnesty, they haven't paid

[1:29:26] Because once that reduction is given,

[1:29:28] it's typically a 90 day or less provision to pay.

[1:29:32] And they haven't paid it.

[1:29:34] So it goes back to the original amount

[1:29:36] we really talking a 90 day period potentially right?

[1:29:39] Because otherwise they would have had to pay it.

[1:29:41] But if they didn't, it wouldn't.

[1:29:42] It's back up to 100, but then but everybody

[1:29:45] has gone through the magistrate at 100% point.

[1:29:47] Right.

[1:29:47] Because every one eventually go goes through

[1:29:49] to get the lean filed So to me, it's and I'm even

[1:29:51] find by the way saying the last 90 days if you got something you

[1:29:55] can now qualify for this program for the 90 day period right

[1:29:57] to me, it's not that it's it's we're not doing this on

[1:30:01] is the people that been in front of us

[1:30:03] that we've given something to They can't come back.

[1:30:04] That's what matters to me.

[1:30:06] So you're fine that removing the magistrate piece if they went

[1:30:09] to the magistrate but Yeah they still come back

[1:30:11] and they can still be part of this process for that, right?

[1:30:14] I think that's fine.

[1:30:15] Yeah.

[1:30:15] And I, they have a right to go to the magistrate

[1:30:17] and argue their case.

[1:30:18] You know, maybe they don't feel it's valid,

[1:30:19] but most people don't go to the magistrate Right.

[1:30:21] And the fines just keep accruing and those are the people we're

[1:30:24] helping rather than people that try to do,

[1:30:26] I think right I think it's fine for me

[1:30:27] if you went to the magistrate you know me,

[1:30:30] I go all the time out for a second, clarify some things

[1:30:34] All right.

[1:30:34] So no commercial properties right?

[1:30:37] Correct we have is three or more units

[1:30:43] Are we able to do like more than four?

[1:30:46] Like there's a lot of quads and i know some of them have

[1:30:51] there's issues with them.

[1:30:53] One builder was looking to buy one, but to redevelop it

[1:30:58] But I know that there is outstanding leans

[1:30:59] on them I'm thinking that there's so

[1:31:03] many quads throughout our city.

[1:31:05] I those are not large.

[1:31:08] They're usually lower income housing.

[1:31:10] But.

[1:31:11] But are we are we reducing it?

[1:31:12] So then get sold to a developer at a higher you know,

[1:31:14] that's right.

[1:31:16] And it just to clarify, by the way,

[1:31:18] on that, more than three units, it's more than three

[1:31:20] units or non residential.

[1:31:20] Right.

[1:31:21] Because any.

[1:31:21] Right.

[1:31:22] Right.

[1:31:22] Just like that we're not what it was that you mean.

[1:31:25] So in other words, an office building you

[1:31:27] know or something like that Well commercial like commercial.

[1:31:31] Okay so you guys want to work through three.

[1:31:34] Well three or more area Yeah, but did you have a question?

[1:31:38] I had a question about the lean these leans

[1:31:42] are final, correct or no.

[1:31:44] Are they still accumulating the ones for this program?

[1:31:46] The vast majority are still accumulating.

[1:31:49] They are to be in this process.

[1:31:51] No they cannot.

[1:31:52] They have to be in compliance, which is a consideration

[1:31:55] for the time line.

[1:31:56] Well, you don't want to make it too short because one

[1:31:58] of the goals of this program is to encourage

[1:32:01] property owners to come into compliance, and then time.

[1:32:03] So if you make the timeline too short then those property owners

[1:32:07] may not have time to come into compliance, which

[1:32:10] is a large they can take some of this money

[1:32:12] that they're not going to have to pay to fix

[1:32:14] the properties which is what we want to do I mean,

[1:32:16] it's not the fines as much as we want

[1:32:18] to beautify our community by getting these pieces of property

[1:32:22] in better shape.

[1:32:23] So well let's be honest, if they were going to fix the property,

[1:32:25] they would have did it two years ago

[1:32:26] when the fines started Right?

[1:32:28] True.

[1:32:28] They're intentionally not right.

[1:32:30] But.

[1:32:31] But they cannot get this unless they do so.

[1:32:32] Appreciate it.

[1:32:33] Gives you an incentive to do it.

[1:32:34] So it be cheaper for them to fix whatever it is.

[1:32:36] And then go to this than it would be to just keep going.

[1:32:39] And then sell a property.

[1:32:40] I believe that kind of right.

[1:32:41] So I think it's a great idea.

[1:32:42] And I like the way it's set up.

[1:32:44] Those two changes that we made is there any with lower

[1:32:48] that 80% 75%, 75?

[1:32:53] Are you go with that I was thinking like 50 out of 50,

[1:32:58] 50 for the non homestead again, most of them

[1:33:02] are else's or people are that are buying houses

[1:33:05] and Airbnb being them out.

[1:33:07] Those seem to be the ones that most of the problems.

[1:33:09] I don't have sympathy for those people I don't either.

[1:33:11] We're we're trying to do something here

[1:33:12] and that it's not just about getting them off the books,

[1:33:16] it's about getting the properties right where

[1:33:17] we want it to be in our city.

[1:33:19] So and they've also followed what other cities have done,

[1:33:23] like we have the agreement here for Derby, for example.

[1:33:28] Do we know how successful all that was?

[1:33:31] Would you have that information?

[1:33:32] We don't have that information.

[1:33:34] No, sir, absolutely.

[1:33:35] I can i think that 80% is more than most other cities

[1:33:39] If you look at the backup materials,

[1:33:41] I think we're probably on the extreme end.

[1:33:44] For me, I don't want to go any lower than 75%.

[1:33:46] I realize maybe others.

[1:33:46] Well, but that would be kind of the low end because

[1:33:48] of the situations that have been in front of us

[1:33:49] before that i've seen that that's

[1:33:51] who I'm trying to help anymore.

[1:33:55] I sounds like 75% of those.

[1:33:58] It does Any other questions?

[1:34:01] So where's that 75% for the non homestead?

[1:34:04] Correct.

[1:34:05] And then for the final three months, I would say 65, right?

[1:34:09] Yeah.

[1:34:09] Just as a matter of and duration of the program.

[1:34:15] You're and again, do we want to keep nine months.

[1:34:19] I I mean, for me, that's a long time I understand

[1:34:23] our city managers point.

[1:34:25] But a homestead a property can get up to 90% for nine months.

[1:34:30] I just feel like that's a very long time

[1:34:33] But I think like we just talked about what

[1:34:34] if somebody doesn't have the money to pay their fines?

[1:34:37] They have, but they might have enough money to fix the

[1:34:40] but they need to be to be compliance.

[1:34:42] Again.

[1:34:42] And then they get that 90% off.

[1:34:44] So they actually saving money in the long run they'll do that.

[1:34:47] But if they don't have enough money to pay what they owe,

[1:34:50] now it's just going to keep going on.

[1:34:52] I'm aware of at least 111 resident who i work with.

[1:34:56] I think there was 5 or 6 months because frankly they done

[1:34:59] some work without a permit.

[1:35:01] But then to go back and redo it, it

[1:35:02] became a much bigger deal to bring

[1:35:04] everything else to code right?

[1:35:05] On a 5 or 6 month project, at least, Right?

[1:35:07] Yeah.

[1:35:07] It's listen, you got to go through the process.

[1:35:09] You got to find some, do some of these things.

[1:35:11] I don't mind Nine months is a long time, but same time.

[1:35:15] OK You got to give them time to do it.

[1:35:17] Okay?

[1:35:19] And frankly, that the line will still be accumulating daily

[1:35:22] through that.

[1:35:22] Through that.

[1:35:23] Well, until it's in compliance.

[1:35:24] Right.

[1:35:24] So we're going to all got to get more accurate.

[1:35:27] It's to get more, but naturally it's

[1:35:28] going to be a higher fine So the reductions on this big

[1:35:33] if they opt not to take advantage of this,

[1:35:35] are we allowed to charge interest

[1:35:37] or interest on what interest on the outstanding balance?

[1:35:41] No I'm not sure I understand.

[1:35:45] If I recall Kerry as rolled making this comment,

[1:35:47] he says, no, no.

[1:35:48] Okay.

[1:35:49] Yeah.

[1:35:49] I think you discussed that before, Mary.

[1:35:51] OK.

[1:35:52] Because it's not a judgment Yeah, I know.

[1:35:55] In the same sense.

[1:35:56] Okay.

[1:35:56] How much they take off you know, how much plantation is,

[1:36:00] what their numbers are percentage wise.

[1:36:03] I can't.

[1:36:03] I mean, I have it right here.

[1:36:04] Right.

[1:36:05] So plantation is a 100% for both residential and commercial.

[1:36:13] there you go Their program, rent for 181 days from 2020 22

[1:36:18] to 2023.

[1:36:20] Okay All right.

[1:36:22] Any other questions or any other discussion here?

[1:36:25] No, I'm good.

[1:36:26] So your questions One year, the nine

[1:36:29] months plus three months model, is that where we're going What?

[1:36:34] What was that?

[1:36:35] Yeah, the duration post I think it was actually

[1:36:38] the duration as proposed.

[1:36:40] As proposed down here.

[1:36:41] Yeah.

[1:36:42] All right.

[1:36:42] Thank you.

[1:36:43] I have everything.

[1:36:43] Thank you.

[1:36:44] All right Any other hearing?

[1:36:46] No, no.

[1:36:46] Call the question, please Yes?

[1:36:50] Can you hear me?

[1:36:51] Sorry Apologize.

[1:36:52] Vice Mayor Caputo Yes, Commissioner Dami, Neo.

[1:36:55] Yes.

[1:36:56] Commissioner Brockie.

[1:36:57] Yes.

[1:36:57] Commissioner Rowley.

[1:36:58] Yes.

[1:36:59] Amir Newton Yes So, all right.

[1:37:03] A commission request report in Thank you.

[1:37:08] Mr. Mayor.

[1:37:09] This is Follow up to an item that

[1:37:12] was raised at a previous commission meeting.

[1:37:14] Staff was asked to read a document out

[1:37:17] for you outlining all of the recent requests

[1:37:20] that the commission has made for future action items This is

[1:37:25] separate and apart from the Strategic Initiatives report

[1:37:28] that you adopted a few meetings ago.

[1:37:30] The report that you requested is included in the backup

[1:37:33] of tonight's agenda.

[1:37:35] It's our intention to continually update that.

[1:37:38] So a status changes or the Commission requests new items

[1:37:43] that will be updated and provided to your regular Any

[1:37:47] questions for the city manager No.

[1:37:52] Okay.

[1:37:53] We'll move on A discussion of rezoning parcels generally

[1:37:56] located south of northeast 25th Street,

[1:37:59] west of northeast 15th Avenue, north of New River and east

[1:38:02] of the FCC, tracks that have a land use designation of T or C

[1:38:06] two, a zoning designation of two U.S. East Roberta

[1:38:12] Good evening Good evening.

[1:38:15] What do you got for us from her two more committed on services

[1:38:20] director.

[1:38:20] So tonight is a discussion on whether or not the commission

[1:38:23] would like to proceed forward with the rezoning

[1:38:25] of the properties that are east of the fEC tracks south

[1:38:31] of northeast 25th Street, down through

[1:38:34] College Park This is actually the area

[1:38:39] of discussion for this evening.

[1:38:43] But Mayor if I may actually, before we start

[1:38:47] through this discussion is just to go

[1:38:48] over very briefly, the difference

[1:38:50] between land use and zoning.

[1:38:53] So land use is governed by the city's comprehensive plan

[1:38:57] and it does identify the long term vision

[1:38:59] for those for those specific properties where zoning

[1:39:03] actually identifies what those uses

[1:39:05] are with that specific uses.

[1:39:07] So that's really a very basic difference between those two.

[1:39:11] So when we look at development, we

[1:39:12] have to look at the land use of the property first

[1:39:15] and then from there, we're able to determine what

[1:39:18] those overall uses would be.

[1:39:19] And then we have to do the analysis based on zoning

[1:39:25] So the area in question.

[1:39:26] This is again, it's all land use.

[1:39:28] Yossi So back when the city did this, I believe it was in 2013,

[1:39:33] we did identify all of this areas Part of our

[1:39:35] to see I remember how many single family

[1:39:39] homes are in that area We did not do that analysis.

[1:39:47] OK We can have that analysis done,

[1:39:50] though, if the commission decides

[1:39:52] to proceed forward, no problem.

[1:39:54] So this is the area where the the zoning is.

[1:39:59] We've identified one parcel on here that was

[1:40:01] rezone through the generations.

[1:40:03] Allow year.

[1:40:05] So that's why it's not included even though on our zoning map,

[1:40:08] it is still a multifamily.

[1:40:10] So the existing zoning designation

[1:40:13] are 16, which is multifamily, 16 units an acre

[1:40:17] and r D ten, which is multi family ten units an acre So

[1:40:25] that is the presentation.

[1:40:26] It is the gist of where where we are going

[1:40:29] is the area in question is here, whether or not

[1:40:32] the commission would like for staff

[1:40:34] to proceed forward with it.

[1:40:36] We did do an analysis of costs.

[1:40:39] If the commission does decide to proceed forward.

[1:40:42] And it is roughly a little over $3,000,

[1:40:46] which does include the consultant,

[1:40:48] we need a sketch and legal description for the area.

[1:40:52] And then staff time and all of our other advertisement

[1:40:56] requirements, as well as postings Any questions for

[1:41:00] roberto or thank you, Roberta.

[1:41:06] Roberta, You just said that the zoning is armed.

[1:41:09] 16 and already ten.

[1:41:11] Would it not be ours?

[1:41:12] Five Also rather essential selling of family?

[1:41:15] No.

[1:41:16] The again, the zoning map only identifies those two

[1:41:19] within the specific area.

[1:41:20] That's in question.

[1:41:21] So there may be single families, but they're

[1:41:23] not zoned single families.

[1:41:25] There may be uses of US uses.

[1:41:28] So this so right now what we call it in the planning world

[1:41:31] is there's inconsistencies between the land

[1:41:33] use and the zoning.

[1:41:34] So this process or project would be,

[1:41:37] you know, making that consistent between the two.

[1:41:40] And because the underlying land uses TLC,

[1:41:44] would that require a mixed use development here?

[1:41:47] Currently?

[1:41:47] Not necessarily.

[1:41:49] But again when we do the rezoning,

[1:41:51] we do reevaluate Article 30 because we also have to identify

[1:41:55] heights within the area.

[1:41:57] So we have the hub map, which identifies

[1:42:00] all of the heights within the Tosa area

[1:42:04] within the urban center.

[1:42:05] Okay And my understanding is the city manager I

[1:42:10] believe you did a an appraisal.

[1:42:13] Did you get some type of input or property?

[1:42:16] We have an informal appraisal and we've

[1:42:19] engaged with an appraiser to look at the two properties

[1:42:22] that the city owns that are within this district.

[1:42:25] And we have asked for the property

[1:42:29] to be value at the existing zoning and the potential

[1:42:33] of it to is zoning.

[1:42:35] We don't have any results yet.

[1:42:37] No, it will take, I think, 4 to 6 weeks.

[1:42:40] OK OK.

[1:42:44] I guess for me, I had added this to the list

[1:42:47] because I have an issue any time there's

[1:42:50] a difference between land use and zoning, it's confusing.

[1:42:55] I don't know how long ago, this was designated TLC

[1:43:01] or what the purpose of making the land use TLC,

[1:43:04] but not having the zoning follow.

[1:43:07] So that's why I added that to the list for discussion

[1:43:14] The Roberto why were why was the area

[1:43:17] and have a reason to toss east.

[1:43:21] So i was not here when the taxes zoning was created.

[1:43:27] We didn't make attempts to try to find historical documentation

[1:43:32] as far as justification to why staff didn't choose to include

[1:43:36] certain areas, meaning specifically this the only thing

[1:43:40] that we could even contemplate is

[1:43:43] that there was potentially resident opposition in order

[1:43:47] to do that.

[1:43:49] But again, it's there's no count formation.

[1:43:52] We couldn't find any notes or anything Okay.

[1:43:57] That so what is your recommendation

[1:44:02] This is something that we need to do.

[1:44:04] I would recommend proceeding forward with the rezoning.

[1:44:07] Okay.

[1:44:07] Do you think we need to get resident input from this area?

[1:44:10] Absolutely.

[1:44:11] So part of the cost analysis does include workshop

[1:44:15] and meeting with the residents in the public to notify them

[1:44:18] of the process So our typical outreach that we would do,

[1:44:23] okay, are there other areas of our city

[1:44:25] that are zoned differently that can we just do collective one

[1:44:33] view of every area?

[1:44:35] It doesn't work that way.

[1:44:36] So we can't do one ordinance to rezone certain areas.

[1:44:40] We would have to And it's something

[1:44:42] it's an analysis that we've been doing slowly over time

[1:44:45] is what are going parcel by parcel to see

[1:44:47] the inconsistencies or consistencies

[1:44:51] and then figuring out a game plan from there

[1:44:53] on how we address it.

[1:44:55] Yeah, I'm not so worried about like the random parcel of this

[1:44:58] is like a big chunk of area that I can't even see from the map.

[1:45:03] There's 50 parcels, I'm not sure.

[1:45:05] But right.

[1:45:06] It's not like a random parcel that we're looking at.

[1:45:09] Other areas in the city.

[1:45:10] It has like a large swath of No, not like this, about 80 units.

[1:45:14] I think Oh, no, I'm good Yeah.

[1:45:20] All right.

[1:45:21] I'm good.

[1:45:24] So I guess we want to go forward with this

[1:45:26] And the city manager you have direction from commission

[1:45:32] Any questions for us No, thank you, Roberta.

[1:45:38] My typical question for the next commission meeting,

[1:45:45] I know that we're we have two more items on the list.

[1:45:50] One is square footage, minimum square footage and conversion.

[1:45:55] And then we will be bringing back at a future meeting

[1:45:57] the discussion of the heights 40 or C West to finishing

[1:46:03] that analysis here.

[1:46:04] Right.

[1:46:04] Yeah.

[1:46:05] We had two of us aren't here.

[1:46:06] I was I would rather not discuss it.

[1:46:08] Yeah, I agree and then the June 10 meeting

[1:46:12] it is anticipated that the one hour project

[1:46:14] will be before the commission.

[1:46:16] So let's do it.

[1:46:16] The Second meeting in June.

[1:46:18] And I will not be here First meeting in July 2027.

[1:46:24] No In the first meeting of July.

[1:46:25] Like summer Or is our first meeting in August?

[1:46:28] Oh, yes.

[1:46:29] Oh Can you tell me what what meeting

[1:46:32] Would you like to have it to the next one.

[1:46:33] Whatever You and everyone you're comfortable with.

[1:46:35] Just like we going to this one right?

[1:46:40] Yeah.

[1:46:40] Okay.

[1:46:41] Thank you All right.

[1:46:42] Thank you.

[1:46:44] City Manager Report All right, City Attorney.

[1:46:49] Nothing Can I just ask you a question?

[1:46:51] Sure I'm several months ago.

[1:46:54] We increased the fees for non residents

[1:46:58] for some of the park uses.

[1:46:59] And I was just wondering if there's

[1:47:02] been any feedback on that or any reduction of you

[1:47:07] know, people that request commission request

[1:47:11] report that's up for tonight.

[1:47:13] We're scheduled to bring that to you by June 10th.

[1:47:17] We do have an analysis of how that rate

[1:47:20] change has affected revenue from park rentals and OK.

[1:47:24] Thank you.

[1:47:25] It might be the next meeting We might

[1:47:28] be ready for the next meeting.

[1:47:29] Yeah, I think it's affected more of our our rentals.

[1:47:32] I think more than the tennis because tennis holiday park is

[1:47:35] closed for two years for renovations

[1:47:38] So everybody's looking for tennis courts

[1:47:40] right now that just to throw it in when that analysis comes.

[1:47:44] I hope it on that the percentage utilization

[1:47:47] not just change in revenue.

[1:47:48] Yes, I think some of it is we wanted

[1:47:49] it to be more available for utilization you know,

[1:47:51] by residents.

[1:47:52] Right City Attorney I have nothing.

[1:47:57] All right.

[1:47:57] Thank you very much Okay.

[1:48:00] We need to select a chair for the may

[1:48:01] 27th Commission meeting and absence

[1:48:03] of me and the vice mayor Other.

[1:48:10] All right What do you think?

[1:48:13] That's what I don't know.

[1:48:15] So we discussed this I'm good.

[1:48:18] And then you're not going away together.

[1:48:20] I already clarified.

[1:48:21] Yes.

[1:48:23] You both had enough for a week.

[1:48:24] That's it.

[1:48:24] So now we need a vice mayor Well, we're going You'll do it.

[1:48:31] Okay so.

[1:48:33] So you're right.

[1:48:33] Our left is going to take care of being mayor and vice mayor.

[1:48:36] Their next meeting I thought when I did this I'm

[1:48:40] pretty good about making sure I'm not missing a meeting

[1:48:44] But I'm going away and have to be.

[1:48:46] I missing it by one day.

[1:48:49] So And I'm not going to change something

[1:48:51] I've had planned for over a year,

[1:48:53] but so I'm going to miss it.

[1:48:56] But sorry, you guys.

[1:48:59] Take over for an okay All right.

[1:49:01] Discussion of sponsor request for a Stonewall Pride

[1:49:04] parade and Street Festival.

[1:49:07] City Manager Absolutely.

[1:49:10] They did receive a request from Jeff Sterling,

[1:49:13] who is the cEO of Stonewall Pride Inc one that runs

[1:49:19] our annual Stonewall Festival The request is for 50,000

[1:49:25] for sponsorship level that was provided by the city

[1:49:28] for the 2024 events.

[1:49:31] He's present this evening.

[1:49:33] If you have any questions for him

[1:49:37] come up the name and address, please Yeah your road.

[1:49:46] But you stay right now.

[1:49:49] It's 8:45.

[1:49:51] Jeffrey Sterling 2435.

[1:49:53] North Dixie Highway Wilton Manors,

[1:49:54] Florida Scott Holland 649.

[1:49:58] West Oakland Park.

[1:49:59] Wilbur boulevard will to manage Florida Okay.

[1:50:04] The so quick summary, we all know what we did last year.

[1:50:08] Last year, we had $100,000 a one time gift money half from you

[1:50:11] and half from Crowder together.

[1:50:13] All right So I knew going into this game that we were going

[1:50:17] to be about $150,000 short.

[1:50:19] I let you guys know want to give the report?

[1:50:21] I wasn't close all this by myself.

[1:50:24] So what we got was i figured out 50 of it.

[1:50:28] So that left us still 100 short.

[1:50:31] But I can close that last 50.

[1:50:33] I just need help with the 50 from the city we have.

[1:50:37] If you want to compare to last year.

[1:50:39] So if we bring in the 50,000 from the city,

[1:50:43] the 50,001 time from Crowder together we covered 42,000.

[1:50:49] So we did close a gap of one time money from last year

[1:50:53] to this year.

[1:50:54] It just closing to that large amount was really rough.

[1:50:57] We all know what this environment's like.

[1:51:00] I don't need to go into detail of that So we have had the same

[1:51:04] sponsorship levels other than the one

[1:51:06] time gifts like this roughly $180,000,

[1:51:09] 185 from 22, 23 and 24.

[1:51:15] And it looks like that's where we're going to be in 25.

[1:51:19] So we had Covid and then our environment changed So

[1:51:23] do we really should be growing 10% a month

[1:51:25] because expense is, as we all know,

[1:51:28] because all of our expenses go up.

[1:51:30] They keep climbing.

[1:51:32] But we've not been able to move that same meter

[1:51:34] with the sponsorships and we don't anticipate

[1:51:38] we think we're going to hit our mark

[1:51:39] and everything else that we predicted to you,

[1:51:41] income level wise.

[1:51:42] I redid the numbers a couple weeks ago.

[1:51:44] And we're still on point only variable.

[1:51:46] We have obviously is admission because it's

[1:51:49] too early to judge anything.

[1:51:51] We won't know that until roughly ten days

[1:51:54] out to start comparing against last year,

[1:51:57] but we're comping into that.

[1:51:58] Our numbers are solid in that area Oh,

[1:52:02] in the grant that you guys talked about,

[1:52:07] if we if we're awarded the grant,

[1:52:08] that money would revert to you.

[1:52:10] It come to us, it revert to you.

[1:52:11] And you guys did submit the grant last week.

[1:52:14] I believe, to the county Can you repeat what you just said?

[1:52:17] So so there's so we would potentially

[1:52:19] get this reimbursed back.

[1:52:20] I missed.

[1:52:21] Yes.

[1:52:22] So I forget how much grand was for 25,

[1:52:25] I don't know what was sent.

[1:52:26] I didn't see was city manager.

[1:52:29] 50 plus 50.

[1:52:31] OK So is that a state grant or a federal grant?

[1:52:34] It's there.

[1:52:34] The county cultural division.

[1:52:36] OK.

[1:52:36] So potentially we give the money If the county grants the grant

[1:52:41] then we just get it back right?

[1:52:43] Basically.

[1:52:44] Correct.

[1:52:44] OK And I understand that that they've

[1:52:46] been for multi-year events like this, that they generally

[1:52:50] the outlook has looks good, at least from other events

[1:52:52] I'm involved that are applying.

[1:52:53] They all seem to be getting positive feedback

[1:52:55] that they're going to maybe, I guess,

[1:52:57] kind of tell a different here.

[1:52:58] It seems like a lot of events that are multi-year established,

[1:53:01] it doesn't seem like it's very difficult for them

[1:53:02] to get the right right.

[1:53:03] So just like last year, you know although Jeff

[1:53:06] Sterling and Hot Spots is the promoter,

[1:53:08] this is a Wilton Manors event.

[1:53:10] And I think we should be a sponsor of it.

[1:53:13] And i'm happy to support that 50,000 like we did last year,

[1:53:16] especially in these times where sponsors are

[1:53:20] decreasing or staying the same.

[1:53:21] Right?

[1:53:22] We're not able there's a lot of products across the country that

[1:53:24] are losing their sponsorships due to the nature

[1:53:27] of the environment.

[1:53:29] So I've i've had some discussions with Jeff.

[1:53:32] I have torn apart his panel.

[1:53:33] And in some cases him, which I apologize for.

[1:53:35] But he's been very responsive about it

[1:53:37] I had said previously that I would not support

[1:53:41] any sponsorship because the event did so well last year

[1:53:44] financially Some things have changed,

[1:53:46] but one of the things that has me open to considering it

[1:53:49] is there's a new.

[1:53:50] I see a line item for metal detectors which is a new $35,000

[1:53:55] increase cost that that you're bearing because we're requiring

[1:53:58] metal detectors.

[1:53:59] I understand we're not requiring that particular model.

[1:54:01] But for.

[1:54:02] We've also required that the line move efficiently.

[1:54:03] And so you went with that model.

[1:54:05] So the line moves efficiently.

[1:54:07] Just as a general kind of comment you know,

[1:54:10] we have to bear in mind.

[1:54:12] And it's chief's job, but she's done very well is ensuring

[1:54:16] people are safe above all else.

[1:54:17] Right.

[1:54:17] But every time we keep adding these level $35,000 now every

[1:54:21] year as a new recurring cost, it makes these events more

[1:54:24] difficult. And frankly, we potentially end up paying for it

[1:54:27] through sponsorship because that's what you know,

[1:54:29] that's where the gap is.

[1:54:30] In other areas, they've made up, you know,

[1:54:32] I think it's important as a city like we have other areas like I

[1:54:35] can think of outside of say, Jim Bar,

[1:54:37] where we were applying to potentially

[1:54:38] get ballots to protect people.

[1:54:40] Like if we're going to require that events protect people,

[1:54:42] we have to do ourselves.

[1:54:44] We have to we know we know where we have weak spots in our city.

[1:54:46] And I think it's just as important that we address those.

[1:54:48] That's sort of a tangent, but I think it's relevant

[1:54:50] if we're making you cover that.

[1:54:53] The the grant thing is definitely new to me.

[1:54:56] And I think that that for me is something that

[1:54:59] makes me open to doing this.

[1:55:00] One other consideration is that going to be will matter?

[1:55:03] Stonewall I mean, I think I love for it

[1:55:06] to be branded will do matters not just stonewall Yes, it would

[1:55:09] it would be just like last year.

[1:55:11] The title is the title of the event.

[1:55:13] So it'll be the Wilton Manors, Stonewall festival and the other

[1:55:18] and and we change the logo, added your name

[1:55:21] across the top and things like that That's good I mean,

[1:55:28] I agree.

[1:55:28] I mean, we have taxpayers that are complaining

[1:55:30] about their taxes you know, giving money to events

[1:55:35] But this is our one of our two signature events a year.

[1:55:38] And every city has certain events

[1:55:42] that they have and they put pride in

[1:55:44] and this is one that we do.

[1:55:47] But just to let everybody know, give me this

[1:55:50] $50,000 is not the only thing we do

[1:55:55] in support for Stonewall pride.

[1:55:58] Do you have any numbers at all for that?

[1:56:00] We're i don't have I didn't have enough time to get the numbers

[1:56:06] together But you're right.

[1:56:08] The city makes a substantial contribution

[1:56:11] and waived permit fees, staff time, both at the event

[1:56:15] and leading up to the event to help plan and make

[1:56:17] sure that it's a success.

[1:56:19] So we've got a lot of department directors

[1:56:22] that will work quite a bit of overtime

[1:56:25] and the day of the event.

[1:56:26] That's a contribution as well Internally we use 30,000.

[1:56:31] That's why I or the other portion of the work,

[1:56:34] I just want people to know that, yeah,

[1:56:35] you know, and I'm not plenty I'm just

[1:56:38] saying it's not just 50,000.

[1:56:40] There's a lot of other things that we do behind the scenes

[1:56:43] like and who do you for 2 or 3 days?

[1:56:45] I don't know if he gets any sleep at all during this event

[1:56:48] because he pretty much helps you run the event

[1:56:51] on the day or day before.

[1:56:53] And he I know he's glad to do it until halfway through

[1:56:57] and he's dead tired of your police department

[1:57:02] also for the interim where the overtime that's

[1:57:05] able to be internalized by using the wrong words here okay

[1:57:08] but that's not that's also covered

[1:57:11] by the budget within the city So there's that number is not

[1:57:15] reflected when I come up with the 30

[1:57:17] because I don't know what it is OK.

[1:57:19] All right.

[1:57:20] Thank you.

[1:57:21] Thank you.

[1:57:21] Yeah, I just.

[1:57:23] I'm sorry.

[1:57:23] I didn't know you had a question.

[1:57:24] I had one other comment last year

[1:57:27] when we did the sponsorship, we paid for, I think it

[1:57:30] was police and fire directly.

[1:57:33] Yeah.

[1:57:34] And i would just recommend we do the same thing.

[1:57:38] This is the sponsorship is a cash $50,000

[1:57:42] contribution and I'm assuming that means

[1:57:44] cash as opposed to in-kind.

[1:57:45] And that's correct because we don't

[1:57:48] allow the top level items to be in-kind at the 25 mark or over.

[1:57:53] So the idea is in theory is cash.

[1:57:56] And we did request the escrow account was by our request

[1:58:01] and the police departments that we continue with the escrow

[1:58:04] concept where you guys would fund the escrow on the monies

[1:58:06] we paid for that we are agreement with that

[1:58:09] because it solves everyone wants their money now what do you say?

[1:58:12] Oh, the city will pay you.

[1:58:14] Then all of a sudden that rush.

[1:58:15] They needed is no longer there.

[1:58:16] I fix it off.

[1:58:17] I just feel a little bit better about it.

[1:58:20] Going for safety, security, and fire than a blanket.

[1:58:23] Chuck for Stonewall.

[1:58:25] And that's pretty much what we did last year.

[1:58:27] So that's what I would recommend.

[1:58:29] Got you Yeah, Yeah, we're good All right.

[1:58:32] Thanks.

[1:58:32] Thank you.

[1:58:33] Thank you.

[1:58:33] Thank you, everyone we need a motion to have to donate $50,000

[1:58:44] in escrow to the Stonewall.

[1:58:47] How do you want to hear that?

[1:58:48] Well, we'd like to work on a sponsorship agreement.

[1:58:52] Okay.

[1:58:53] So you want to bring it back next meeting?

[1:58:54] Yes.

[1:58:55] All right.

[1:58:55] I was like a resolution.

[1:58:56] Yeah, and that'll have the contingency about the grant

[1:58:59] money being reimbursed to us.

[1:59:01] Make sure that's documented.

[1:59:03] OK All right.

[1:59:04] So you have direction, and then you guys will do that.

[1:59:07] Will we're not here.

[1:59:07] Yes.

[1:59:08] And may or I misspoke.

[1:59:09] I do have the calculation.

[1:59:10] Okay The city's contribution.

[1:59:12] So in addition to the $50,000 event sponsorship,

[1:59:16] it's about another $48,000 in staff and budgeted

[1:59:21] cost So over 700 staff hours.

[1:59:25] We also do road closure barricades.

[1:59:27] We rent water trucks.

[1:59:28] It's quite a contribution.

[1:59:30] OK.

[1:59:31] Thank you, Chief can you just come on up for a second?

[1:59:35] So what I ask your question.

[1:59:37] Because we have two main events.

[1:59:39] One is Stonewall and the other one

[1:59:40] is wicked manners What's the difference in or maybe AC

[1:59:47] might be clear.

[1:59:48] What's the difference in staffing for one

[1:59:51] or the other as far as police and safety and is

[1:59:57] is a good evening.

[1:59:57] Darren Brodsky, Assistant chief for your police department

[2:00:01] The difference between the two events,

[2:00:03] right as far as the police department's concerned,

[2:00:05] I mean I know we have X amount.

[2:00:06] I don't want to say how many because that's

[2:00:08] for security reasons, bye.

[2:00:11] Know Stonewall has so many.

[2:00:13] And then and then look at manners

[2:00:15] is another is it substantially different Yeah, I'd

[2:00:19] say Stonewall has a somewhat of a significant larger footprint

[2:00:26] And look at manners because of the parade.

[2:00:29] You know All right.

[2:00:31] I mean, those are our two main events.

[2:00:33] And i was just.

[2:00:36] Any reason why i mean, I understand the parade walk

[2:00:41] in the parade and and that.

[2:00:44] But I mean, we have just as many people,

[2:00:46] if not more at wicked manners and we

[2:00:49] do stuff the logistics of the parade and the set

[2:00:55] up of the safety lane that requires the parade

[2:00:58] to go on the safety lane and then

[2:01:00] managing the crossings during that time frame is what creates

[2:01:04] a lot of the extraneous different sizes

[2:01:08] and probably cost and personnel.

[2:01:11] But for the most part, the footprint of the actual event

[2:01:16] other than this year, last year, it was from 21st court to buy

[2:01:22] points this year it has expanded to 20 Street,

[2:01:26] where it was two years ago.

[2:01:30] So that does that does add to it as well.

[2:01:32] True.

[2:01:32] I like that, though.

[2:01:33] I mean, I felt bad about some of the business I won't drive that.

[2:01:36] We're not always excluded.

[2:01:38] And I thought it was wrong that you know,

[2:01:41] they're kind of pushed out with the big event.

[2:01:43] So what matters.

[2:01:43] Everybody is walks right by all those places from the bridge,

[2:01:47] you know towards city Hall.

[2:01:49] So I'm glad they are doing that this year

[2:01:52] So it's a plus for everybody.

[2:01:53] All right.

[2:01:54] Thank you.

[2:01:54] I just wanted to.

[2:01:55] Yes, sir.

[2:01:56] Thank you All right.

[2:01:57] Request for replacement of items for next meeting.

[2:02:00] I'd like to. doesn't need to be next meeting, but a few to say.

[2:02:04] I'm going to say no to now for a future meeting.

[2:02:07] I won't be the next.

[2:02:09] Yeah go ahead I'd like to have a discussion about the direction

[2:02:17] we're going on.

[2:02:18] We're going in with regard to economic development

[2:02:21] We talk about economic development all the time.

[2:02:22] But we don't really have a plan of what we're going to do.

[2:02:25] So I'd just like to have an a discussion about that.

[2:02:28] OK For a future meeting, I want to bring back the issue of where

[2:02:32] the money from the E go, whether that's

[2:02:33] with that when that comes back.

[2:02:35] But I definitely to finish that discussion.

[2:02:37] Oh, yeah.

[2:02:38] Good good Thank you all for coming out tonight.

[2:02:42] This meeting is adjourned.

[2:02:45] OK well, we go 20.

[2:02:49] Your parking is going to start a half hour afterwards.

[2:02:54] You're in trouble just because good is going to be here.

[2:03:02] Feet next door to the footprint of the meeting.

[2:03:10] I have.

[2:03:10] I think I really do like you.

[2:03:12] Tomorrow I'll come down and try to do

[2:03:15] the day after i leave at 26.

[2:03:18] Actually, you guys don't just have great.

[2:03:21] You can have donuts Oh, you're calling You're quite all right.

[2:03:25] I'm.

[2:03:26] I am not.

[2:03:27] I can tell you that.

[2:03:28] Oh, no, you don't.

[2:03:28] I saw that Q Krispy kreme.

[2:03:30] How I was going to say last time when I missed,

[2:03:32] I was like, oh, you're going to call.

[2:03:35] I was on a cruise.

[2:03:36] I am not going to forget.

[2:03:39] We give them to you here, right?

[2:03:42] Yeah.

[2:03:43] So all right.

[2:03:52] You have a great trip Didn't do too.

[2:03:54] One for.

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