[0:00] And that each one of these is supported by additional narrative intent. They're not meant to be brought or abstract statements, but rather kind of a framework that helps us to connect to specific actions or to a larger community value.

[0:13] So as an example, the mobility and infrastructure, guiding principle, focuses on connecting

[0:18] people and places under that principle, the plan discusses expanding sidewalks, bike paths,

[0:26] trails, and public transit in order to improve safety, accessibility, and regional connectivity.

[0:33] So beyond each one of these little guiding principles, there's a bit more text within the document

[0:37] that kind of helps them form a bit more.

[0:39] It's not just this one little abstract one word statement or one sentence statement.

[0:45] Each guiding principle functions in this way helping translate the broader values into

[0:49] actionable goals and strategies.

[0:55] And so then lastly, I just want to kind of give a chapter sample, nearly every chapter in

[1:00] the play and follows a similar structure and using housing in as a example, the chapter

[1:05] begins with the baseline conditions, which includes the housing type, housing stock, affordability,

[1:11] kind of the baseline zoning, and then outlines initiatives that are already underway, such

[1:18] as the Affordable Housing Plan, which the Commission adopted in 2022, accessory dwelling

[1:23] units and the role of Windsor Housing Authority. From there, it identifies kind of key issues

[1:30] in trends within the community. These are things that could have come up to the survey,

[1:34] could have come up through good planning practices, things that we see in the planning community.

[1:40] that are being talked about right now, and

[1:49] then from there, and one of my favorite parts

[1:51] about the document is that what we've heard for the community, so pulling out specific quotes

[1:57] that we're receiving survey or sort of some of our public engagement events, and this

[2:03] kind of summarizes what we've heard, and then it follows that with the goals and strategies

[2:08] so that you could take the two documents side by side, or two pages side by side and

[2:12] see how, you know, what we heard connects to some of the goals and strategies in there.

[2:21] So, that's really all I have for presentation. I would like to take a moment to thank

[2:25] Roy and FHI, I may again, our team, Christian, Nicole. I'm sure there's a few

[2:32] names up for getting this well, but I appreciate all the work that your team did

[2:35] over this past year and a half, really. And you're support with this document

[2:40] and our various meetings that we've attended. I also like to give a huge

[2:44] Thank you to the POCB Advisory Committee, the Planning and Zoning Commission, and Town Council as well.

[2:50] And then also, big thank you to everyone who participated in surveys, workshops, or even just stopped at the booth to chat with us.

[2:58] And then also to Windsor staff and their leadership.

[3:00] So we'd be happy to take any questions or if you'd like to delve in any specifics, we can do so at this time,

[3:06] but that's really all I have for presentation.

[3:08] Or we can go into the public hearing.

[3:14] Any questions?

[3:16] Nope.

[3:18] Maybe you can explain what the next steps are, if this plans adopted tonight.

[3:30] Next steps.

[3:30] That's a good question.

[3:32] There's kind of our statutory requirements in that we have to publish and notice

[3:36] that the POCDs have been adopted.

[3:40] And then there's a 15-day appeal period beyond that.

[3:44] Aside from that, we've met every statutory requirement in getting this to town council

[3:49] in Prague, in a timely fashion, I think the big next step for us internally is how do we track

[3:57] these goals and present these things come up, how do we present this to the council or to the

[4:03] commission? I think figuring out a way to actively track the goals is probably the biggest next step.

[4:09] and doesn't it go to the legislature as well?

[4:13] OPM?

[4:14] The P.O.C.E.

[4:18] Yes, it does.

[4:19] Yeah, we have 60 days to send to them.

[4:24] So it's not formally adopted until the legislature

[4:27] pluses it, is that correct or not?

[4:32] No, it's whatever the P.O.C.E is adopted by you all.

[4:39] Okay, that's an option. Okay, I'm just going to copy.

[4:45] Well, I'd be thank you. You guys for all your work.

[4:48] I was on the advisory committee too, but let's face it. You guys did all the work.

[4:52] So, um, you did a tremendous job. I know. Thank you very much.

[4:57] I'm going to jump in to say that overall.

[5:00] I think that the PLCD advisory committee did a great job of updating. I agree with most of the modifications. So when we get into the different shows, I'll explain what I thank everybody. And I thank you for taking over again tonight.

[5:15] Thank you, Madam Chair.

[5:20] Should we jump into the public hearing?

[5:23] Okay.

[5:27] So if anyone from public would like to address the plan of

[5:31] conservation development, any questions, what how do you please

[5:35] come up to state your name and address and

[5:44] I'd like to speak?

[5:47] Is there no one online?

[5:48] Nobody online?

[5:52] No.

[5:53] Sir.

[5:55] Hi.

[5:55] I'm bombazeros.

[5:56] I live in Soviet land.

[5:58] This is great that we're doing this for the year 25.

[6:01] five. I don't know the specifics if it concerns the Milber Accord or and we are currently

[6:09] already planning for the budget year 2027. We want to do six erosion remediation sites

[6:18] on the former Milber golf course and there's also budgeting for two bridge replacements

[6:28] there. Now it's already going out the bid to replace Bridges along Decker Brook and

[6:34] Walsh Park in those areas but the Bridges plan for Millbrook, the public, you know, of course

[6:42] having gone out the bid yet and there is this remediation of six sites for erosion control

[6:48] along the stream bank and Miss Choke, you know, our our account engineer is spearheading that.

[6:57] I propose and, you know, maybe you can be added in as a separate line item, it's not going to go in as part of the environment of the remediation plan, and maybe it's going to wait for 2040.

[7:09] But we've got those small dams relating to the former pump house for the golf course that impede the natural flow of no-brook.

[7:18] Now, let's think about Milberg. Milberg is the only stream downstream of the rainbow dam.

[7:28] That flows into the farmton river. Here we are. We're Windsor. First down.

[7:35] And the first stream into the farmton, which is why Windsor got settled.

[7:44] So I'd like to somehow get the removal of those small dams near the old pump house, what

[7:51] used to serve the golf course in the Windsor Public Area now, to be remediated and to

[7:58] be included in the 2027 budget plan.

[8:03] And if has weight to 2040, let's do it.

[8:06] And it shouldn't cost that much either.

[8:10] The whole thing is like $780,000 budget for the remediation sites.

[8:15] And that's including the markup for contingencies.

[8:19] And if we look at the economics, it's like $70,000 per area that's going to get the control for the erosion of long millbrook in the Gulf War Seria.

[8:35] So, to remove the dam, it's probably going to be only the same amount of cost.

[8:41] All the vehicles are going to be bringing the equipment down, bringing the rip wrap and

[8:48] the natural plantings to restore the parts of the millbroch stream that they want to remediate

[8:53] to stop the erosion.

[8:56] And on the way back out, they can bring the dam the particles that have been removed.

[9:01] And they're going to have all the engineering skills.

[9:06] And they're going to have the way to make the coffer dams.

[9:09] They're going to manually place sandbags.

[9:12] And with the rubber tarp, they're going to cut the broken half.

[9:15] They're going to do the work to repair where they need to control the erosion.

[9:20] All hand placed.

[9:22] You can write there in Bobbrook.

[9:25] So add that to the plan.

[9:26] Whether it's 2035, whether it's 2040, whether it's for 2027.

[9:30] Thank you.

[9:33] Thank you.

[9:35] Anyone else?

[9:44] All right, yes, we have a letter.

[9:47] This is an email from Owen Deutsch.

[9:50] It was dated November 9th.

[9:55] We're both.

[9:56] We're both for the council meeting.

[10:00] No, no, no, it's what?

[10:03] Pointing Mr. Stewart, this one came in after the council meeting.

[10:07] Okay, goal 7. Mobility in infrastructure, strategy A.

[10:13] I'd like to request an additional aye, or three, or a new item that's new sidewalks we provided as feasible

[10:22] when road improvements are undertaken, or new sub-developments or large-scale developments are undertaken.

[10:28] Thank

[10:32] you.

[10:38] I believe that's also part of our plan right now.

[10:45] I agree.

[10:46] I thought it was to, or at least in,

[10:48] super building regulations.

[10:50] Yeah.

[10:52] It's baked into our zoning regulations that any new developments

[10:55] are required to put side by side,

[10:57] front inches of any town road.

[11:00] And then generally, when we're doing public improvements or,

[11:04] you know, we're thinking of Baker Hollow that they recently connected.

[11:07] They put inside boxes.

[11:29] Just to comment on Mr. Missouri as a comment, the POCD doesn't get into the specifics of a construction project.

[11:39] I mean, I think some of the things that you were pointing out there could be captured under a couple of different strategies for the open space and natural resources.

[11:51] specifically fund and build priority drainage and culvert upgrades,

[11:55] monitor sensitive areas and enforce appeals.

[11:58] Unfortunately, the commission doesn't have any authority to really get involved

[12:03] with an active construction project this time.

[12:07] I encourage you to continue communications with the town engineer

[12:10] and town council, but I think we captured it in a broad sense

[12:15] to where we could make those improvements and make a case in argument

[12:18] for those improvements, but it doesn't get into the specifics of that, so.

[12:22] But thank you for your comments.

[12:25] It would have to go into the CIP, wouldn't it?

[12:27] Right. That's what I was about to say, too.

[12:30] You know, the CIP that's capital improvement plan.

[12:33] It's a six year look out of projects.

[12:35] The council wants to spend money on it.

[12:36] We have a quarterly.

[12:45] We have a letter from Crog.

[12:46] Data February 20, 2020, six report on update to PLCD 2025-3, a comprehensive update to the

[12:57] Municipal Municipal PLCD commissioners.

[13:01] Receitas acknowledged of the above mentioned referral.

[13:05] Notice of this proposal was transmitted to the regional planning and development division

[13:09] of the capital region.

[13:16] of the Connecticut General Statutes as amended.

[13:19] The staff of the Regional Planning Commission

[13:21] of the Capital Region Council of Governments

[13:23] has reviewed this zoning referral

[13:25] and finds no conflict with regional plans or policies

[13:29] or the concerns of neighboring towns.

[13:32] Staff commend the municipality for the number

[13:35] of relevant updates within the plan of conservation

[13:39] and development that align with the regional plan

[13:42] of conservation and development.

[13:43] One great example of alignment is the strategy to encourage mixed use and innovative housing models directly aligns with the regional goal to diversify the region's housing stock.

[13:57] The local plans update further aligns with the regional plan in improving bicycle and pedestrian safety through the streetscape improvements.

[14:07] Prioritizing in-field development to better take advantage of underutilized spaces that are already developed and pursuing parking alternatives to further reduce the footprint underutilized parking has in the region.

[14:23] This plan also aligns with the regional natural hazard mitigation plan N-H-M-P, as actions outlined in the update directly joined to do partnering with CROG to continue efforts related to the N-H-M-P.

[14:42] This plan does an incredible job at balancing the natural growth when their experiences while protecting and preserving existing natural resources.

[14:53] One recommendation of staff would be to review some of the highlighted density residential zones.

[15:00] An exam in the potential to allow duplexes and even triplexes, of course, with appropriate design guidelines

[15:09] to preserve the existing identity of those zones. Developments such as duplexes often seamlessly

[15:16] blend into the streetscape of a majority single family neighbourhoods with well written design standards in place,

[15:24] and offer no threat to affordable options for individuals looking to live in the more exclusively

[15:31] residential zones. Staff applause, the municipality in its extensive efforts to update the

[15:38] Windsor Plan of Conservation and Development. Crog looks forward to working with the municipality

[15:43] to accomplish the actions outlined across both the local and the regional plan. Public hearing

[15:49] been scheduled for February 24th, 2026, and in accordance with our procedure, this letter

[15:56] constitutes final crowdgaction on the three furl and questions should be referred to Jacob

[16:01] Nolton, and this was distributed to the planners in Windsor, Loxie, Scramby, East Windsor,

[16:07] Bloomfield, Hartford, and South Windsor.

[16:09] And it's signed Jennifer Bartis, early chairman of the Regional Planning Commission, William

[16:14] rise, Vice Chairman, Regional Planning Commission, and Jay Copnolton, Community Development

[16:19] Planning.

[16:21] Thank you.

[16:26] Thank you.

[16:27] So, I'll close the public hearing and do we have a motion?

[16:32] I moved at the...

[16:33] Madam.

[16:34] Excuse me.

[16:35] I'm sorry.

[16:36] Madam Chair, you indicated that there were some things that's right.

[16:39] You had some comments.

[16:41] I was just referring to the spreadsheet that you presented.

[16:49] I think those are all good and the only thing I'm concerned about is when we're going to

[16:55] duplexes or trip flexes or wherever is that parking, because I'm noticing in town now that

[17:04] we have a number of homes that they're parking on the front lawns. In fact, in one street

[17:11] the cloud of front lawn so the thick vehicle could park on that. If we're going to be going

[17:18] into that, we're going to have to make sure that I regulate and skip you like there has to

[17:23] be parking enough parking. That's one of the big things that I was noticing.

[17:31] Yes, ma'am, I'm duly noted. Thank you.

[17:37] You've been the awesome idea?

[17:40] No, because I think all of the changes that were on there, I don't see. I think everything is

[17:45] You've taken out certain little words and made sense, and you've added, you know, left in what I think should be left, and I think you did a great job.

[17:56] Okay.

[17:58] Is this a silly last word?

[18:01] Now, thank you.

[18:02] Thank you, Roy.

[18:03] Thank you, everybody.

[18:04] It's fine.

[18:05] It's fine.

[18:07] Oh, yeah.

[18:08] Maybe you should vote first for us or same.

[18:09] Thank you.

[18:12] I moved at the 20, 25 to 20, 35 proposed plan of kind.

[18:18] observation and development be adopted by this commission.

[18:22] Second.

[18:23] Second.

[18:23] Motion in a second.

[18:24] All in favour?

[18:25] Aye.

[18:26] High.

[18:27] Motion passes five.

[18:30] Move to adjourn.

[18:33] Second.

[18:34] Yeah.

[18:35] We don't.

[18:36] That was completed.

[18:37] Yes.

[18:38] Second.

[18:39] Second.

[18:41] Second.

[18:42] Second.

[18:44] OK.

[18:46] All in favour?

[18:47] Aye.

[18:51] Good night.

[18:53] Good night.

[18:54] Good night.

[18:55] Good night.

[19:27] Good night.

[19:29] Good night.

[19:29] Here's someone who is developing responsibility.

[19:32] He's Frank Harris.

[19:34] Frank's paper route is a way of earning a little spending money.

[19:37] It's also a resort work to Frank.

[19:40] Especially when he sees the other fellows having fun.

[19:43] Wanna play Frank?

[19:45] Well, of course, Frank wants to play.

[19:47] But he can't now. He has work to do. He has papers to deliver.

[20:00] Frank will have to do his work better than that, doing a job well is part of being responsible for.

[20:10] There's a real dog, just that time Frank would like to have for his own,

[20:17] and there's Mr. Morgan who owns the dog.

[20:21] He wants to talk to Frank about something. Mr. Morgan is going to move to another town, so Frank will have to stop delivering the paper to him.

[20:30] You'll be here the rest of this week, so we want to pay Frank for the papers until Saturday.

[20:36] All right?

[20:38] You see, Frank is responsible for the money he collects.

[20:42] He thanks Mr. Morgan and gives him a receipt.

[20:46] Frank writes in his book the date to stop the paper, so he won't forget.

[20:50] Having a paper route is a lot more than just delivering papers.

[20:56] But Mr. Morgan has noticed how well Frank gets along with the dog,

[21:00] and who wouldn't get along with him.

[21:04] Frank thinks he's our first-rate dog.

[21:07] Mr. Morgan says, of course, he's pedigree'd.

[21:11] Isn't that something?

[21:13] And his name is Pao.

[21:14] That's right, Pao.

[21:16] He's the kind of dog who really is a Pao.

[21:19] Well, Frank has work to do, but just a minute.

[21:23] Mr. Morgan would like to know his name and address.

[21:28] Now, why do you suppose he wanted to know that?

[21:33] That evening at home, Frank carefully counts the money he is collected, because it doesn't all belong to him.

[21:40] He knows how important it is to keep careful accounts. He's responsible for the newspaper company's money.

[21:47] And while Dad for him, there's something Frank wants to show mother.

[21:53] He has a new customer starting tomorrow, obtaining new customers as part of Frank's job too.

[21:59] Frank thanks his father for the check.

[22:03] Dad will keep the money and take it to the bank tomorrow.

[22:14] Why? It's pal. Mr. Morgan brought him over.

[22:20] Mother, dad, here's Mr. Morgan in his wonderful dog.

[22:27] Mr. Morgan has been noticing Frank.

[22:30] He thinks Frank would like a dog, and he'd like Frank to have pal.

[22:36] Mr. Morgan is moving to another town, and an apartment where dogs aren't allowed.

[22:41] But, mother and dad aren't sure, a dog is a lot of work and responsibility for someone.

[22:47] Feeding him, giving him water, seeing that he gets exercise, he'll be so much trouble, can Frank be expected to take proper care of him?

[22:58] Well, Mr. Morgan thinks he can do it, and so does Frank.

[23:04] But that's being very cautious. He won't agree to let Paul stay until he's sure that Frank can manage this new responsibility.

[23:13] So that offers a plan.

[23:15] But Frank keep foul until Saturday,

[23:18] and show how well he can take care of him.

[23:21] But if this week doesn't work out,

[23:23] then Mr. Morgan will have to make other plans for foul.

[23:32] So Frank has an opportunity to show that he can be responsible.

[23:40] But now Mr. Morgan must go and leave foul to his new master.

[23:44] Let's hope he never has to take foul back.

[23:54] That wants to be sure Frank understands their bargain.

[23:57] Frank may keep pal until Saturday, but there are many things you'll have to do if you want to keep pal for good.

[24:04] Pal will have to have food and water. You'll need exercise morning and evening.

[24:09] He must be trained to obey. To know that Frank is now his master.

[24:14] Of course, Frank can't neglect his other responsibilities. His paper route, his schoolwork, his regular jobs around homes such as cleaning up his own room

[24:25] And carrying out the tin cans on Mondies, tin cans, Mondies.

[24:31] Frank must start right away showing that he can be responsible.

[24:35] He'll have quite a lot of work to do, but Powell's worth it isn't he.

[24:43] So the next day is a busy day for Frank.

[24:46] Powell gets his exercise on the paper root, but Frank has to deliver his papers and at the same time.

[24:54] Uh-oh, yes Frank has to keep his eyes on Powell too.

[25:02] But here's a good time to start training pal. Show him who's boss. Baby keep him on a leech.

[25:11] There.

[25:15] But delivering papers with a big dog on a leech can be pretty tiring.

[25:23] And by the time he reaches the end of the route, there goes the last paper though. All through. But here's another paper. Why? Where does it belong?

[25:39] Did Frank miss someone?

[25:42] Oh, that new customer. Frank forgot about that completely. And it's partly

[25:48] pals fault for making so much trouble. Well, nothing to do now, but go back,

[25:54] waste half an hour delivering that one paper. And what's more, Frank needs that

[26:00] half an hour. He didn't get time to straighten his room this morning. No.

[26:05] Things don't look very good for Frank. He just can't keep up all his responsibilities.

[26:12] And so late that evening, after Frank has finally finished his work for the day, he has a good talk with his dad.

[26:19] That is happy that Frank has a chance to earn such a fine dog, and pleased with Frank's work so far.

[26:25] But with so much to do, Frank must plan his time.

[26:30] Sometimes a new responsibility means you must make choices.

[26:34] Frank may have to leave Fall at home while he goes on the paper route, and then exercise him later in the evening.

[26:40] He may have to use the leash with pal, and train him to a bay.

[26:45] But just a little planning, just a determination to take care of all his responsibilities,

[26:50] will clear up Frank's worries.

[26:53] He may have to work hard, but he's determined to do it, so he'll be able to keep pal.

[26:58] That's what Frank's going to do, and he'll start by getting a good night's sleep.

[27:03] And so for the next few days Frank keeps busy with his paper route, his home and school responsibilities, and his pal.

[27:16] Part of it is hard work and part of it is good fun, but Frank does his best.

[27:23] For almost a whole week Frank keeps up his responsibilities. He has done his jobs, all of them, and he's done them well.

[27:32] And so on Saturday, Frank feels pretty sure he'll be able to keep his pal.

[27:41] Is that Mr. Morgan now?

[27:45] Yes, it is.

[27:50] Pal has been in Frank's care now for a week.

[27:53] And there's one thing Mr. Morgan wants to know.

[27:56] May Frank keep pal.

[27:59] What do you think?

[28:01] As Frank shown that he can be responsible?

[28:05] Let's think back.

[28:07] On his paper loot, Frank has carried out his responsibility to deliver each paper where it should go.

[28:14] To keep his accounts accurately, and to take good care of the money he collects.

[28:21] He has carried out his responsibility to give pal food and water,

[28:25] to see that he gets plenty of exercise, and to teach him to be obedient.

[28:31] Does your battery deliver extra life or extra power?

[28:34] Extra life, Extra life, Extra life.

[28:38] And Frank has shown that he can do these things

[28:41] and still keep up with his schoolwork

[28:43] and his responsibilities around the house.

[28:49] All this has taken planning and determination

[28:51] but Frank has managed very well.

[28:54] So, of course he may keep foul.

[28:58] Mother and Dad have agreed.

[29:00] Now, here's something else for Frank.

[29:03] What does the paper say?

[29:04] Oh, it's Powell's pedigree.

[29:07] Do you see, Powell?

[29:13] The pedigree papers belong to Frank now.

[29:16] And so does Powell.

[29:36] The Sandwich is practically American institution.

[29:39] It is a basic essential for lunch boxes, parties, and picnics.

[29:43] As far as these boys are concerned,

[29:45] well, hamburgers and hot dogs are their idea of a really good meal,

[29:51] but they're sandwiches and sandwiches.

[29:54] When Sally Gasko and her mother bring guests home for a late snack after a movie, they have something special in the way.

[30:01] Sallie calls it, Tuna Rare bit. That's what she makes it.

[30:10] This is a sandwich for forks, an open face creation, in other words, with a cheese, milk, and tuna fish mixture on top.

[30:19] The basis will be rye bread, mother's idea. She found that the spicy caraway flavor made a good contrast to the bland, fish and cheese.

[30:30] Sallie puts a cube, about a square inch, of butter, into the top of a double boiler. A little butter, if I'm not sure if I'm not sure if I'm not sure if I'm not sure if I'm not sure if I'm not sure if I'm not sure if I'm not sure if I'm

[30:36] It's way into a great many dishes in this kitchen, not only for flavor, but as a blending agent.

[30:50] Part of the trek to entertaining unexpected guests is keeping on hand certain generally useful foods.

[30:57] One of these is cheese of an easy melting type, which Sally is going to use as a base for the rabbit.

[31:04] To speed the melting, she cuts this into slices in the milk and butter mixture, while mother butters the bread.

[31:13] The simmer flame keeps the water boiling gently while the cheese is melting so that Sally can go on to other tasks.

[31:22] She adds the canned chunk-style tuna fish and notice that she uses a wooden spoon to avoid discoloration of the mixture.

[31:29] Although the tuna rabbit is fairly substantial food in itself, it is a good idea to add something for variation in color and texture.

[31:37] Mother is making a salad dish, celery, radishes, olives and pickles.

[31:45] Sally adds potato chips to the menu. They used to be exclusively picnic fair, but they've

[31:50] joined the host of useful accessory foods which make entertaining so much easier and more fun for teenagers.

[32:00] The bread was toasted quickly in the boiler, and the rabbit is nearly ready to serve.

[32:12] Let's see. What will be the beverage?

[32:14] Mother, thanks, you'll give the guests a choice of Coke or milk.

[32:19] When you can offer guests a choice easily, it's a gracious gesture.

[32:25] Now it's time to serve.

[32:27] Two slices of toast are neatly arranged on each plate, and the filling, or perhaps we

[32:32] should say covering, goes on top.

[32:36] Sally knows you should serve cream dishes with extra caution, and effective carelessness

[32:41] here is no asset.

[32:43] Mother is a great believer in the aesthetic value of parsley, and of course it's good to eat, too.

[32:50] Now a touch of Tabasco, for color and a taste surprise, and there's tuna rabbit, alasale gasco.

[32:58] As we said, there are sandwiches, and sandwiches.

[33:02] A wise young homemaker using good techniques and equipment and a little imagination can turn a sandwich and a fester fare.

[38:54] And welcome to the Windsor Town Council meeting for August 3rd, 2026. All councillors are here. I believe

[39:02] councilor Armstrong is online and will be coming over shortly.

[39:17] So we will work on getting councilor

[39:18] Armstrong into the meeting. And with that, that's our roll call items two and three on our agenda

[39:23] and the prayer and or reflection and the pledge of allegiance. And that will be led by councilor

[39:30] Thank you.

[39:31] Tonight, just reflecting on our last several months and thinking about

[39:36] community, communities are not defined by moments when everyone agrees.

[39:41] They're defined by how people choose to show up for one another when they don't.

[39:46] And in a time when so much around us encourages us to see each other as opponents in different

[39:52] ways, Windsor has the opportunity to choose a different path.

[39:56] to see one another first as neighbors.

[40:00] We have different perspectives, but we all care deeply about this community and the future we're building together.

[40:07] As we begin tonight, may we approach one another with humility, listen with curiosity, and remember that our shared commitment to Windsor is far greater than the issues that divide us.

[40:21] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under that individual liberty and justice is called.

[40:37] Thank you, Councillor Nain.

[40:41] This evening we do not have any proclamations or awards, so we'll move to item number five in our agenda, which is public communications and petitions.

[40:55] The town council welcomes in values public comment. We ask that all speakers conduct themselves with civility and respect.

[41:02] Please do not refer to other speakers by name or use the rotatory in flammatory or disrespectful language when expressing your views.

[41:11] Please note that this portion of the meeting is for the council to listen to public input.

[41:15] The council does not respond to questions or engage in discussion during the public comment period.

[41:21] Your comments will be received and considered as a part of the public record.

[41:25] Thank you for your participation and for helping to maintain a respectful and productive meeting.

[41:30] If you would like to address the council, we do ask that you step forward,

[41:34] state your name and address.

[41:36] You will be given three minutes to speak.

[41:38] And at the sound of the time we ask that you conclude your comments.

[41:41] At the 60 Second Mark, a yellow card will be raised.

[41:46] In at the 30 Second Mark, a red card will be raised.

[41:48] And at that time, we do ask that you conclude your comments, and at this time, I'll turn it over to our moderator, Assistant Town Manager Scott Colby.

[42:26] Thank you, Mr. Colby. So we'll come back to the town hall chamber, and we do ask if you'd like to address the council. Please step forward, state your name and address.

[42:35] And at the three-minute mark, please respond to the sound of the chime and conclude your comments.

[42:54] Good evening.

[42:55] Good evening.

[42:55] My name is Joel Herman.

[42:57] You as Army veteran, it's 62-year Windsor resident.

[43:02] I'd like to address the council on item from the last meeting.

[43:05] Who directed and drafted the contract negotiations for the flat camera system?

[43:10] From what I understand, the town attempted to contract with the flat with the provision

[43:15] that we would not help the federal government.

[43:19] In my opinion, you said that, Lord, you said the quiet part out loud.

[43:24] We accept an even chased federal funds, millions of dollars flowing to this town.

[43:30] This council doesn't have the authority to disregard the law of the land.

[43:34] If your convictions are so vital to the citizens of the town of Windsor, I challenge you

[43:40] to make a proclamation that as long as we don't agree with the federal government, we will

[43:44] refused to help, and in return, the town will not accept any federal funds.

[43:50] None. Integrity and convictions cannot be bought. There are what makes you. Good luck

[43:56] trying to explain to the town residents why we won't accept any federal funds. I realize

[44:02] the vote through a new flag has passed and expect the readers to come down in a timely manner.

[44:08] I was not for or against the readers, but now what about all the cameras the town has installed?

[44:17] Who gets the video and data from those cameras?

[44:20] As a taxpayer and a part owner of that system, I want to use to its fullest potential.

[44:26] A legitimate request for information should be exploited to apprehend all criminals.

[44:34] To know we had valuable information to solve a crime and not forward, it should be criminal.

[44:40] Don't let TDS cloud your common sense follow the law, not a liberal agenda.

[45:06] Good evening. I'm Maggie Essex, 95 Lighthouse Hill Road. I am the CIO and Fundraising Director for Windsor Little League, a parent of two players, a Windsor Little League softball coach, and I support the proposed Welch Park Field Improvement Project, and I'm asking you to also support it.

[45:25] Between the updates to the pool and pickleball courts, the upper part of Welch Park looks great.

[45:31] To complete the improved look of the whole park, the playing fields and accompanying buildings need updates as well.

[45:38] As a board of directors, Windsor Little League does what we can to partner with the town of Windsor to do our part and keeping up the fields at Welch.

[45:46] With material donations and volunteer labor, several members of our Windsor Little League replaced the roofs of several dugouts,

[45:53] out, repaired and painted fences to the best of our abilities, trimstries, painted several

[45:59] of the exteriors of the buildings, and more just this year.

[46:02] Would we like to do even more than that?

[46:06] However, we know that this is a town park, so we work alongside the town to ensure that

[46:10] we are not overstepping our bounds.

[46:12] We are also a 501C3 nonprofit and can only do what we can with the funds and donations

[46:18] we are able to bring in.

[46:19] We've communicated with the town manager and direct departments to outline things Windsor Little League sees as a priority, and I'm glad to see that many of them are proposed improvements.

[46:31] Last week, Windsor Little League was the host for the Connecticut State 921, all star baseball final for tournament, with teams from Waterford, Fairfield, South Windsor, and Southfield, Southernton.

[46:42] Field 2 was the site of 7 games in 5 days. Several hundred players, coaches, parents, spectators, and district and state little league staff came to Welch for these games.

[46:54] In preparation for this tournament, Windsor Little League volunteers worked countless hours to get the playing fields and spectating and parking areas in tip-top shape along with the town public work staff.

[47:06] Big thanks to the town for providing portalets for this tournament.

[47:09] The Windsor Little League Board of Directors and many players directed parking, great-advisitors,

[47:15] staffed the concession stand, kept the official gamebook and more, and we ensured the fields

[47:20] were prepped, especially after the surprise down poor on Wednesday that flooded the field and

[47:25] threatened to postpone the games another day. Because of this work, many visiting coaches and

[47:30] parents thanked Windsor for hosting, commented on what a great facility we have, expressed gratitude

[47:36] for ensuring the fields were an optimum playing condition, and one even told me it was the best

[47:41] little league facility they'd ever been to. And because of our efforts, we've been asked

[47:45] to host this tournament again for the next two years, which is an incredible honor for Windsor

[47:50] Little League and our town. I know that hearing these comments might make it seem like these playing

[47:55] field area of the park doesn't need anything, but there are still absolute needed improvements.

[48:00] Dog out still have holes in the walls, the stairs to the field one press box are not safe.

[48:05] safety nets are stretched and brittle. As a softball coach, I have cited to hear the ear

[48:10] emotional improvement as a part of the field one. But Windsor Little League is a long-standing

[48:16] partner of Windsor. And I hope the town council will continue actively supporting Windsor Little

[48:21] League and the kids who participate by approving the funds for the Welsh Park Field Improvement

[48:25] Project. Thank you.

[48:45] My name is Katie Essex and I live at 95 light household road. I'm here to ask you support

[48:50] Welch Park Field Improvement Project.

[48:54] I am 13 years old and have participated in Windsor Littleleas since I was five years old in

[48:59] T-Bull.

[49:00] This spring I played my first season with the Junior Softball Program.

[49:05] I've worked my way up through all the levels of Little League and have played on all the fields

[49:09] at both Welch and Fish during those years.

[49:14] Through the last several years I have played on fields.

[49:19] 1 and 3 the softball fields.

[49:22] And looking at the proposed improvements to Welsh, I agree that all points are needed.

[49:27] During field cleanup days, I have helped try to rig fences on all fields to keep

[49:33] harm points from broken fences so they don't end up being a danger in anchor in fences

[49:40] areas in the ground, so there's no option for balls to get under or players to get snagged

[49:46] on the fence.

[49:46] I've seen balls go through the mesh netting on a field one because it has gotten so brittle.

[49:53] This proposes a danger to the players on the opposite field as those nets.

[49:59] Are there...

[50:00] To stop the balls from going through to the other side. As most of my time in the majors and juniors levels

[50:05] was on field one, I have seen before myself the way the dugouts flood with rain, especially

[50:13] the first base dugout and have helped sweep and shovel water out so those dugouts out of

[50:21] those dugouts in order for them to be used for games. I hope the update will also include an improvement

[50:27] for a drainage to ensure the dugout trombone safe and dry. This year, I helped coach one of our

[50:34] table teams, which played on field five. I know the main purpose of this field is for the

[50:39] challenger program,

[50:44] but the six, the four to six, zero to two ballers who use this field also

[50:51] need to see new dugouts.

[50:53] A team of in this age group is a bit of like hurting cats and they are drawn to the holes

[51:03] in the wall, loose dirt and on deck area and like to chip away at the flaking benches.

[51:11] Not only does this cause further damage in the dugout but these distractions are also risk

[51:17] for injury and need to be fixed.

[51:20] The softball teams using Field 3 are older, but the dugouts are having many of the same issues as I mentioned on Field 5.

[51:27] I've gotten splintish from the dugouts on Field 3.

[51:31] I hope you, the town council, will continue actively supporting Windsor Little League and the kids who participate and approve the funds for a Welsh park.

[51:42] Field's Improvement Plan. Thank you for your time.

[51:46] Thank you.

[51:50] It's in time.

[51:58] Good evening.

[51:58] Mark Mascola, 395, Prospect, Tolerado and.

[52:02] I'm Nathan.

[52:03] He lives with me as well.

[52:06] And I am the coach of the Winter Challenger Program, and for you,

[52:10] that don't know, it is a special needs program that helps young adults and children play baseball.

[52:18] And we try to keep it safe and in a controlled environment.

[52:22] I would like to ask the council to make sure to approve the improvements for Welch Park because including that will be the dugouts

[52:30] the dugouts right now in addition to what the young lady just said being having holes are also small

[52:37] and the problem with that is we have people in wheelchairs and walkers and things that nature is very hard for them to get into the dugout

[52:46] The other issue is, and of course, like that with a table, you have more one-to-one parent

[52:51] tank or coaches or helpers with the kids in the dugout because very crowded and it's extremely

[52:57] difficult to get on on the field when it's there time to get up to the plate. So I ask you again,

[53:03] let's get those dugouts fixed for these kids so that they can continue to enjoy their baseball

[53:08] program. Thank you.

[53:24] Good evening, how. Once again, my name is Cory Ferner. I'm a resident 327

[53:29] I'm also part of the board of directors with Windsor Little League.

[53:34] I am here in favor of the Capital Improvement Funding.

[53:39] As everybody so eloquently before me said, the park is beautiful,

[53:43] but it does need still needs updating.

[53:48] As well as the hosting of the future tournaments,

[53:54] we have definitely been given the next two years,

[53:57] which has been great. We are hoping to continue this as well as continue with other age groups.

[54:05] So with that we're asking for the town to consider that with future funding as well as

[54:13] assistance from the town. Everybody was very, very grateful for everything that we have gotten so far

[54:19] and it has been amazing. Working with the different departments and the different people,

[54:23] directors, etc. I couldn't speak me more highly about everybody. It's it's been amazing.

[54:29] But just moving forward we really like to have you guys all consider to come on down and enjoy a game.

[54:38] Support your local town. These kids are here. They want to play.

[54:43] And that's what we're here for. Thank you.

[54:46] Thank you.

[54:59] George

[55:06] It is time to get past the flock. But you won't allow that, because you haven't found the replacement yet. You have made this town less safe than it was in January.

[55:23] I was shaving the day after your vote and it dawned on me, the analogy.

[55:31] You got rid of Obama care but had no replacement for it.

[55:37] That has been the cry of the Republicans to give rid of it in Congress, but they have

[55:42] been found in a replacement.

[55:45] Other analogies, when you listen vaccine requirements, outch, measles, is coming back.

[55:54] I have to read this part.

[55:58] July 1st, 2025, heard this on public radio first.

[56:03] The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

[56:05] stopped mandatory active tracking for six

[56:08] foodborne illness pathogens.

[56:12] One of them was psychospora.

[56:15] Big news now.

[56:20] We won't get into when you get rid of the

[56:23] I ran nuclear deal what we face now.

[56:26] God only knows what risk we're taking when the FBI is getting rid

[56:30] of the domestic terrorism unit.

[56:35] All scaring, your job is to make this community safe.

[56:41] Not less safe.

[56:43] I have no ties to flock.

[56:45] Don't really care about the whole program.

[56:48] Just want you to have this town.

[56:50] be as safe as it was in January or safer.

[56:55] You have not done that.

[56:56] You've made us less safe.

[56:58] It's time for you to at least get us back to January of this year.

[57:07] Thank you, thank you.

[57:16] George Varney, 75 burials heel road.

[57:18] I'm going to bring it back to baseball real quick, sorry.

[57:22] Madam Mayor, council members, you heard a lot of comment today about the support

[57:27] of the funding, Welch Park is going to kind of echo a few things that made me about the

[57:32] tournament.

[57:33] It was a great turnout last time we were here.

[57:34] We mentioned that we were hosting the 11-ute state tournament at Windsor and as Corey

[57:40] shared with you, we have given the opportunity to take it two more years and what happens

[57:46] beyond that will be depend on how well we do and continue the success that we had in this

[57:52] last tournament.

[57:53] If you didn't get a chance to come down, I wish you could have, because you would have seen a lot of supports and really great baseball in the state of Connecticut.

[58:02] One of our own district date, I don't know if you know, Windsor Little League is in district date, whenever our own district date teams actually competed in the competition.

[58:10] And our hope as we continue to grow, the program in Windsor is that some day our kids will have an opportunity to compete in that state tournament as well.

[58:20] to have that at our facility and to have our youth to be able to be a part of that and see how it's played, how it's run,

[58:28] the activity and excitement of it of the fans and the players alike gets them charged up.

[58:33] It makes them want to compete even more and want them to get involved.

[58:38] So we're very grateful to have this opportunity and we're very grateful to the town for the considering,

[58:43] the additional funding, and also I would encourage you, like was already shared.

[58:48] This is just the first step, and we hope that it will continue for some of the other improvements that are being discussed.

[58:54] And, and like we shared as well, Windsor Lily does a lot to supplement what the town can help us.

[59:01] We are in nonprofit. We do we have a lot of volunteers in the time and effort that went into just preparing for this tournament and then the activity during the tournament was phenomenal.

[59:11] We've got so many compliments from other towns that we're just really shocked is there are some folks that hadn't been back to Welch in a while

[59:19] And they're like what a what a great facility now you guys have really done some improvements here

[59:23] The one town that was actually in the in the tournament from district date

[59:29] Oh, yeah

[59:30] Obviously it spent a lot of time at Welch and they saw a huge improvement and what we've done down there in the towns done so we're really excited and grateful for the support of the town

[59:40] And by all means, please come out.

[59:42] Next time we have some games out there,

[59:44] falls coming up.

[59:44] We're trying to get some games in before.

[59:46] Hopefully this improvement activity happens.

[59:49] And then, obviously next spring, we'll be back

[59:52] and invite you guys down there again.

[59:54] So, thank you.

[1:00:14] My name is Karen Jackson. I'm a 31-conestoga here. I have a disability, so you have to excuse me the way I have to speak slower, because of my speech.

[1:00:38] Good evening, Mayor, members of the Windsor Town Council. My name is Karen Jackson.

[1:00:43] I'm here to ask for my concerns to be inserted in the public record regarding my treatment

[1:00:51] by a member of the Windsor Police Department and the reactions thereafter.

[1:00:58] I was stopped after midnight for a routine traffic stop.

[1:01:04] My, I was driving my son's car, his, the front light is out.

[1:01:10] So the officer made a quick, you turn and I was pulled over.

[1:01:16] He started banging on the back of the driver's side window.

[1:01:20] I have a PTSD, so I was already scared as it is.

[1:01:29] And when he saw I bang on the window, I pulled on my window and I said,

[1:01:31] get your sergeant here.

[1:01:32] I have a blue envelope, that when there are police,

[1:01:35] gives people with my condition, or disability,

[1:01:40] excuse me.

[1:01:42] And I wanted to sergeant there so they can see what it is.

[1:01:46] So my reaction wasn't that I was so angry or upset,

[1:01:51] wasn't personal, but they also took it personally.

[1:01:54] He was shining the flashlight into my eyes.

[1:01:57] I told him to stop doing that.

[1:01:58] He wouldn't stop doing that.

[1:02:00] I call dispatch to get a sergeant here there on scene, but no one ever came.

[1:02:08] Instead, I was accused that dispatch told the officer and seen that I have sluggers speech.

[1:02:16] I do because I had a stroke in 22, so my left side is messed up.

[1:02:20] So, certain times in the evening, my mouth sounds like, I guess I'm drunk or I have no idea.

[1:02:26] So I said, I shot it, I have a disability, I am not drunk.

[1:02:32] He said, well I didn't say that, I dispatched it.

[1:02:34] Whatever, I'm not.

[1:02:36] But he extended the stop and stated that, um, and asked me, have I been drinking?

[1:02:40] I said, what reasonable article was suspicion to you have that I have been drinking?

[1:02:44] Then he cut it off.

[1:02:45] My son came there and verified why it was his car.

[1:02:51] The officer kept on shining the light in my eyes.

[1:02:53] for two weeks I couldn't see, and I still can't drive it night.

[1:02:58] So I saw a pink and blue for two weeks.

[1:03:03] I already had an issue with Windsor Police

[1:03:05] before I had when it came to my son.

[1:03:07] Last Halloween, he's in the second year college now,

[1:03:12] he's doing fine.

[1:03:14] But that's the only time I came here.

[1:03:15] I was so afraid of the police that it took a while

[1:03:18] for me even to Scott, and the lieutenant

[1:03:20] And I had to sit down with me last year to calm me down because I was that

[1:03:25] fragile about the whole thing that happens to my son and before that.

[1:03:29] Now this happened.

[1:03:31] Now the reason I'm here, I wouldn't have really come here, but I received something in

[1:03:35] a mail from the police department saying that what the police did to me was correct.

[1:03:43] There's nothing wrong with it.

[1:03:44] And I find that very disconcerting.

[1:03:49] So, that's it. I wanted to be investigated and looked into more. Scott has been fair as far

[1:03:57] as sitting down with me. I have missed appointments to continue with him, but I wanted

[1:04:03] somebody from the City Council to be there because I don't want to be there with a police

[1:04:08] and Scott. I don't know how to maneuver the machine there because I wanted to see the body

[1:04:14] cameras of what happened so that's it. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:04:43] Hi, my name's Theresa Beatrice

[1:04:45] 14 Parkway Drive. I'm reading something from a friend who is not available for tonight,

[1:04:51] so on her behalf with her permission. I'm sharing an email that she had sent to the town council.

[1:05:00] For your gravel. And these are her words. I am writing to express my strong opposition to the proposed

[1:05:06] town center, storefront activation grant program, and respectfully urge the council to reject

[1:05:12] this proposal. The town is proposing to allocate $350,000 toward a new storefront activation

[1:05:19] grant program while continuing to fund the existing facade improvement program. While these

[1:05:25] programs are presented as investments in economic development.

[1:05:29] They ultimately represent taxpayer-funded financial assistance

[1:05:32] for improvements to privately owned commercial property.

[1:05:36] The role of local government is to provide essential public services,

[1:05:40] maintain infrastructure and share public safety,

[1:05:43] exercise responsibility to which ship of taxpayer dollars.

[1:05:47] It should not be to finance private improvements

[1:05:49] that primarily increase the value of privately owned assets.

[1:05:53] Over the years, Windsor has approved various tax abatements, incentives, and economic development agreements intended to encourage private investment.

[1:06:03] Whether residents supported these decisions are not, they were justified as tools to simulate development.

[1:06:09] Now the town is proposing yet another layer of financial assistance through storefront grants.

[1:06:14] At what point does private investment become the responsibility of the private sector?

[1:06:18] Successful businesses should succeed because they provide valuable goods and services

[1:06:23] make sound business decisions and invest wisely in their own properties.

[1:06:28] Not because government continues to create new subsidy programs funded by taxpayers.

[1:06:33] Although revenues often described as new tax revenue, it is still public money collected through property taxes.

[1:06:39] Once collected those dollars belong to the taxpayers and should be allocated in ways that provide broad public benefit,

[1:06:45] but rather than directing hundreds of thousands of dollars

[1:06:49] toward grants for private store improvements,

[1:06:52] those funds could instead help offset future tax increases,

[1:06:56] strengthen infrastructure, improve roads and sidewalks,

[1:06:59] support public safety, or reduce pressure

[1:07:01] on future municipal budgets.

[1:07:03] As residents continue to experience

[1:07:05] rising costs of living and increasing tax burdens,

[1:07:08] I find it difficult to justify

[1:07:10] allocating additional public funds

[1:07:12] to projects that primarily enhance

[1:07:14] on commercial properties, or respectfully encourage you to focus on policies that benefit every business equally rather than creating another targeted subsidy program.

[1:07:26] Maintaining competitive tax rates, streamlining, permitting, investing in public infrastructure, ensuring public safety and reducing unnecessary regulatory burdens,

[1:07:37] our all-appropriate functions of the local government that foster private investment without requiring taxpayers to subsidize individual property owners.

[1:07:46] These types of investments strengthen Windsor as a whole time of the environment.

[1:07:51] Where businesses choose to invest because the community is well managed.

[1:07:55] Not because government offers financial incentives.

[1:07:58] Thank you for your time, your service to the residents of Windsor and your thoughtful consideration of my comments.

[1:08:03] Thank you.

[1:08:04] Thank you.

[1:08:05] Thank you.

[1:08:06] Thank you.

[1:08:22] Hi, councillors.

[1:08:23] Madam Mayor.

[1:08:25] But just past.

[1:08:27] So we're going to move on from that.

[1:08:29] My main reason for, for, for.

[1:08:31] Introduce your name.

[1:08:32] Oh, John's to bowl the 33-level road.

[1:08:35] Hi, I apologize.

[1:08:37] My reason to be here today is, is for a couple of reasons.

[1:08:40] I was going to touch the kind of whole storefront thing, but due to the fact that I'm not

[1:08:45] truly educated on it the best I'm not going to until I'm better educated on it.

[1:08:49] I will say, I think that we should holster that after we just kind of asked our town residents to pay their kids to play sports.

[1:09:00] I wouldn't actually bring up using taxpayer money to invest in and or rehabilitate private businesses and private establishments.

[1:09:12] With that being said, you know, it's, I want to thank Darlene and I want to thank Madam Mayor and I want to thank Kristen Ron, all you guys came up to me and you shook my hand about what we're trying to do for the kids in town, and I want to thank you for that.

[1:09:26] It means a lot to me. I'm just a private citizen. I'm just somebody who's going out there trying to create change.

[1:09:31] One thing I will bring up is some rhetoric that's recently been used against me on Facebook forums when I've given people nothing but respect.

[1:09:39] have not attacked them personally, have not attacked what they stand for, have not attacked

[1:09:44] the differences.

[1:09:46] But for somebody to be on the sitting member of the board of ed, to say that I deliberately

[1:09:52] set fire to the budget, and now I'm trying to walk in like a hero on a fire truck and

[1:09:57] put it out, is reprehensible.

[1:10:00] It's absolutely crazy. All right? I know I probably can't call them out by name, but I have the comments

[1:10:07] if you would like to see it and I'm hoping that they're reprimanded from that. In conclusion, I want

[1:10:14] to apologize to Peter Sousa. Peter, I've gone through your budget since 2020. You do a fine job.

[1:10:21] One business man to another business man, this town will be lost without you. He wants more money

[1:10:26] give it to him. Straight up, I'm letting you guys know. You run it lean and mean and your increases

[1:10:33] never really go above the rate of inflation. You do a good job. Okay? But I want the

[1:10:38] rhetoric to stop. I'm donating my time. I'm donating my effort in my money to help families

[1:10:45] I don't even know. And you have sitting members of the Board of Ed attacking me personally.

[1:10:51] Absolutely unacceptable.

[1:10:53] Thank you.

[1:10:54] Thank you.

[1:11:06] Thank you.

[1:11:06] Seeing know what the speakers moving forward will bring public communications and petitions

[1:11:10] to a close.

[1:11:13] And thank you to all of our speakers this evening.

[1:11:15] Thank you for taking the time.

[1:11:16] And again, we really, really appreciate your engagement.

[1:11:19] Any letter.

[1:11:21] Email that is sent.

[1:11:22] Know that all the counselors we do take time to read them.

[1:11:24] So thank you.

[1:11:27] Moving on to item number six.

[1:11:28] communications from council members, I wanted to first begin by saying that a lot is happening

[1:11:36] here in Windsor throughout the summer, the concert series, the farmers market, there's always

[1:11:41] something going on downtown Windsor that you can be a part of. On Sunday July 26, Grace Church,

[1:11:50] they had a beautiful service kicking off Caribbean celebration week. There was a steel band,

[1:11:57] So I wanted to talk about that.

[1:12:00] It was just beautiful to see folks from our town.

[1:12:04] There are members of the church as well as others coming

[1:12:06] into town for that.

[1:12:08] And then on Tuesday, we welcomed peak dental implants

[1:12:11] to our town, beautiful facility.

[1:12:14] So if that's something you're into, I would hope everybody

[1:12:16] up here.

[1:12:17] Maybe you've had your wisdom teeth out already.

[1:12:19] But if they're still lingering, you need to get that done.

[1:12:22] You can check out peak dental.

[1:12:24] She'd be happy to do it.

[1:12:25] So I welcome to Dr. Hannon's in team and lastly, I do want to say as a proud Caribbean

[1:12:33] American happy emancipation August 1st was emancipation day and we continue our celebration

[1:12:40] throughout the week.

[1:12:42] We conclude West Indian Celebration Week on Saturday with the parade, so if you'd like to

[1:12:48] join us, the parade kicks off at 11 and we end up in Bushville Park, so just wanted to

[1:12:53] say that many West Indian countries have their independent celebrations throughout this first week

[1:12:58] of August. So, just had to say happy of anticipation and happy West Indian celebration

[1:13:03] to all. That being said, consider it.

[1:13:09] Thank you. Madam Mayor.

[1:13:11] Thank you.

[1:13:12] Put your makeup on.

[1:13:14] Thank you.

[1:13:15] It's a pleasure to be here tonight. I just want to say that it's been a lot of rain. I have a lot

[1:13:22] comments, but I'm going to save them to the appropriate sections. I hope all the residents

[1:13:28] have brought out their pumps and got their yards all pumped out, maybe.

[1:13:35] And I have all

[1:13:35] was doing well with all the counselors and all the members with the audience and with all the

[1:13:39] elements. And on that, I conclude one of my comments. Thank you, Councillor Grant.

[1:13:43] Thank you, Madam Mayor. I just want to thank everyone for coming out tonight, especially the little

[1:13:50] for folks like I need to get a shirt I feel like I'm left out right now you know what I mean

[1:13:54] so let me know where I get one of those but otherwise I hope everyone's having a really

[1:13:57] good summer as a matter of mayor alluded to there's a lot of really fun things that are

[1:14:00] happening a lot of cool events over the next few weeks so hopefully come out and just to

[1:14:05] enjoy the town and I'll turn it back over. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you madam mayor

[1:14:10] just keep it quick just want to reiterate as I've done a little while now the Windsor

[1:14:15] volunteer fire department has their battle of the badges, charity softball tournament that

[1:14:21] is coming up.

[1:14:22] It is going to be at Windsor High School, starting at 9 a.m. on August 15th, that's the date

[1:14:27] that I have in front of me with a rain day of the 20 second.

[1:14:32] So there is no admission, if you will, it is free, but any beneficiary that you can have

[1:14:39] in any donations they want to have, go to the Fallen Firefighters Memorial at the Connecticut

[1:14:43] fire academies. So very good, very good worthy cause. You can see some of the

[1:14:48] heroes from our town, along with members of other departments from around

[1:14:54] the area. So one of those things just come on out to the high school, support

[1:14:59] here is put your local f-

[1:15:04] Thank you.

[1:15:08] Thank you. I did not talk about the frido seal, because I knew for sure you were, but you didn't mention it.

[1:15:15] Okay. Well, the frido seal was wonderful on July 25 for the Wilson Fire Department. It's always good time.

[1:15:22] They always sell out. I just thought council pelky was going to say it.

[1:15:26] Thank you, Councilor Perky.

[1:15:28] Councilor Perky.

[1:15:29] Thank you so much.

[1:15:30] I just want to thank all of our speakers for coming out, especially the Luleague.

[1:15:34] Thank you for all you do to keep those fields preserved by now the Tom puts in a lot.

[1:15:39] But what you all do is showing the extra level of dedication and looking forward to getting more engaged.

[1:15:46] I played a little bit of at home table this summer with my daughter, so I'm a little scared of her swing because she likes to practice it indoors.

[1:15:53] somebody we've been figuring out how to handle that next summer.

[1:15:58] I think you're absolutely.

[1:16:00] So I think I've had a mere card most things that have been happening this summer.

[1:16:05] I just want to acknowledge and I think August hit us pretty fast.

[1:16:08] And I shot to get a back to school reminder email this morning with all the details of what I got to prepare for.

[1:16:15] I'm like, oh, we're here already.

[1:16:16] Here we go.

[1:16:17] So just to remind everyone to check out what's coming up for your kids, I know we have a

[1:16:25] back to school block party coming up, I know we have a Board of Education report, I'm sure

[1:16:28] they'll be hitting on more of that.

[1:16:30] But I'm enjoying the last few weeks of summer without school, take advantage of all the wonderful

[1:16:36] things that our town has to offer, our pools, our recreational services, time flies too fast,

[1:16:43] so make sure you're getting out and take an advantage of all that.

[1:16:46] Thank you.

[1:16:47] Thank you.

[1:16:48] Count to all those.

[1:16:50] Count to all those.

[1:16:51] Count to all those.

[1:16:52] Do you do this every?

[1:16:53] I see her.

[1:16:55] Just want to make sure you haven't forgotten.

[1:16:57] I didn't.

[1:16:59] I want to thank those who came out to speak, especially Katie and Nathan who came out and spoke,

[1:17:08] takes some guts to come out in front of a group of people to speak.

[1:17:12] So congratulations to two of you.

[1:17:15] The Thursday on the Green, we still have the concerts going, so please do enjoy them.

[1:17:21] They're a great opportunity to meet your neighbors and enjoy some good music.

[1:17:25] And be safe for the rest of the summer.

[1:17:27] Try to stay cool and back to you.

[1:17:31] Thank you.

[1:17:32] So what counts are all about?

[1:17:34] Ms. Mary, are you ready?

[1:17:36] Yes, Ms. Mary.

[1:17:38] evening to ball, it was a joy to see our little leaders come out and I think that I was

[1:17:44] impressed that we might have some journalists and the whole leaders.

[1:17:49] I also want to say that we have great activities in places to go in the town of Windsor

[1:17:56] and I'm often there supporting them in the activities and I probably put on my agenda to come

[1:18:03] of the leaders' gains, it sounds exciting. With that being said, I think most of has been said,

[1:18:11] I did enjoy being at the Joe or the FIDO or was a great event for the FIDO.

[1:18:22] But with that being said,

[1:18:23] take care of yourselves and enjoy the rest of the song. Thank you, man. Thank you, man. Thank you,

[1:18:33] comments about the Windsor literally, thank you so much for being here this evening, but

[1:18:36] when they wanted to touch on Maggie, discussed it, being offered the opportunity to host

[1:18:42] these tournaments. That's a great testament to all of you, all the families that have been

[1:18:47] involved a little league prior to you and now current. So I know most of them. I know how hard

[1:18:52] you all work and for all the things that you all have done, not just for the little league,

[1:18:56] but for baseball in general in all the town. So I appreciate that, and I think the town does

[1:19:00] to. We owe you a great debt of gratitude for that. And just to mention public works, if

[1:19:06] you see them out, say, thank you for all they do. They work really hard, especially in

[1:19:10] this horrible weather and heat. In the record department, everything they've done this year,

[1:19:14] especially this summer, they're working really hard with the camps. And to Mr. Stavola, thank

[1:19:19] you so much for stepping up and helping us put that together. I know you're working with

[1:19:22] the school. And that's all I have. Thank you.

[1:19:26] You may. I just want to say have a great summer. Thank you.

[1:19:36] It's always great to hear when folks can come into Windsor and say how much they

[1:19:40] enjoyed it so we can't thank you enough. Windsor Little League comes looking I already have

[1:19:45] a hat so maybe. Yeah you don't. You have a hat right. So I guess we need shirts is what we're

[1:19:52] safe. But we can purchase them that can be a fundraiser for all of us right?

[1:19:55] next one. Okay. All right, so on to item number seven is repeat.

[1:20:00] Court's of appointed boards and commissions will begin with the Board of Education, Secretary Zatter.

[1:20:12] Good evening. I hope everyone is enjoying their summer. I can tell you that our superintendent and her

[1:20:19] cabinet and her administrators are busy working, reading the school for kids. The start date of school is September 1st this year, so back to September.

[1:20:32] Families are reminded to please update their returning children's information and power

[1:20:37] school to have to re-register them every year.

[1:20:40] It's important to update phone numbers and make sure we have the correct emergency contacts

[1:20:44] for when school starts.

[1:20:46] The summer food program is going to conclude on August 21st.

[1:20:51] We have our fifth annual Windsor Public School back to school block party that the Office

[1:20:57] family and community partnership has been sponsoring the district website will have more

[1:21:02] information in the upcoming weeks as an amazing event. We encourage all the parents

[1:21:05] and the students to come. The first regular board meeting is going to be on Tuesday, September

[1:21:13] 15th at 7 p.m. in the board room and then just a reminder to all of the families to visit

[1:21:20] the website www.winsercit.org for the most current information, athletic schedules, and academic

[1:21:29] calendars.

[1:21:32] I'm a zeddy.

[1:21:35] I thought you wanted to tell me something about a school or a student or a student or a student.

[1:21:39] They're off for the summer off.

[1:21:41] She always has something to tell.

[1:21:42] I know.

[1:21:43] So I didn't know if you were doing something over the summer or I mean there's a lot that's

[1:21:47] going on in the summer.

[1:21:49] I mean again, the mobile school bus has been out and about.

[1:21:52] I think the kids have very much been enjoying that.

[1:21:56] It is something that parents do love to sign their kids up for.

[1:22:01] It is absolutely phenomenal.

[1:22:03] I'd love to see both of us and our staff getting out there

[1:22:07] into the community even during the summer months.

[1:22:10] So, yes, always something happening in the Windsor Public School System

[1:22:14] even during the summer months.

[1:22:15] Thank you so much for that.

[1:22:17] And I know on the Windsor Public School website,

[1:22:19] If you want to know where the mobile school bus is going to be, that's what it looks there.

[1:22:23] So thank you.

[1:22:25] All right.

[1:22:25] Councilors, questions, comments?

[1:22:28] Councilpoke.

[1:22:29] I've been feeling a lot of just inquiries just regarding with the sports and the payment,

[1:22:34] et cetera.

[1:22:36] One of the biggest questions I've had, I hope that you can maybe give some insight into.

[1:22:43] The different levels, if you will, people have in their minds that,

[1:22:46] Well, this requires almost nothing and football requires all this equipment, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[1:22:53] So even the insight that you can share to the public for how those funding levels were sort of determined to be or those payment levels to participate?

[1:23:02] Yeah, so a lot of it is based on the cost of the actual sport and when we think about that.

[1:23:07] So if you think about the football team, right, the reason that those costs were able to stabilize a little bit is because we already pay for some of those expenses on the tickets, right?

[1:23:16] the ticket sales. So it's not like we're taking in the money from the ticket sales and it's

[1:23:21] going to the schools. We're paying for the security. We are paying, which has we've

[1:23:27] needed to make a little bit stronger over the past couple of years. Right? It helps to pay for

[1:23:31] the equipment. The coaches to, right? The administrative staff for the coaches. Like all of

[1:23:36] that is funded through the athletics budget.

[1:23:42] So you have sports,

[1:23:45] all everyone is going to need uniforms,

[1:23:48] everyone is going to need equipment,

[1:23:49] and it's just really a matter of,

[1:23:51] like, is it played on the field,

[1:23:53] where we're gonna need to support the maintenance,

[1:23:58] is it due to, again, security needs,

[1:24:01] is it due to, how many people we usually have

[1:24:04] come to the events?

[1:24:05] So that all of that was taken into consideration when looking at the tiers, I don't have

[1:24:11] a rundown exactly of what all of the expenses are per sport, but we could, again, if

[1:24:17] the need arises, we can absolutely get that.

[1:24:20] No, I'm sure at this school board, you get into details.

[1:24:22] I'm just trying to give another form for the folks that did this.

[1:24:24] Absolutely.

[1:24:26] And then for folks who, their students who want to participate and should be able to participate

[1:24:32] but they're in three or I don't know exactly if you can fit into a fourth sport or activity like that,

[1:24:39] but there are economic challenges. How is that able to be handled?

[1:24:47] Yep. So part of the cost to write in the assumption and where they balanced that out was looking at

[1:24:55] Statistics, Dr. Haiti is very committed to me.

[1:25:01] So we look at the number of people that have been enrolled in sports. The percentage of students that have free, free lunch waivers, right? So those students will have the fees waived. Children that have or eligible for free or reduced lunch will have their fees reduced by 50%.

[1:25:25] And then there is a family cap so no one family will pay over $650 for a school year.

[1:25:32] So if you have three kids and three kids are playing three different sports and high school,

[1:25:37] they will only charge to a certain cap.

[1:25:41] And this, again, was this was done because we want all of the kids in town to be able to play a sport

[1:25:51] if they want to regardless of where their family stands economically.

[1:25:56] Thank you. And then just one, I hope final question related to just the whole pay to play with it, if you will.

[1:26:07] I think it comes down to where a lot of folks have felt that this was a surprise to them.

[1:26:18] So how are you communicating it and how is it that folks can sign up and is there like a payment plan?

[1:26:26] Obviously for something in the spring, but I'm thinking more for the fall activities in particular.

[1:26:31] I'm sure coaches and breeders here that have had me try to reach out.

[1:26:35] But if you could just kind of give an explanation to folks for a payment plan.

[1:26:39] Yes, it comes up.

[1:26:41] I'm sorry.

[1:26:41] But your mic was it down in?

[1:26:43] I'm sorry.

[1:26:44] Just a need of a record.

[1:26:45] No, it's fine.

[1:26:46] So I'll quickly restate, just, a lot of folks

[1:26:49] just kind of felt like they got sprung on them,

[1:26:52] or what they're hearing.

[1:26:54] So how are we reaching out to make sure

[1:26:56] that families know about this?

[1:26:58] And then, how do they actually,

[1:27:00] how is the payment going to be handled the process?

[1:27:03] Again, just another platform for you to get the information out of it.

[1:27:06] Yep, so the first thing I want to say is that

[1:27:09] at the very beginning of these budget conversations,

[1:27:12] and this has been said many, many years.

[1:27:14] pay for plays something that we have that has been a potential for years that we've been able to

[1:27:20] skirt around.

[1:27:23] During all of the conversations that Dr. Haiti had with the public, when the question was asked,

[1:27:29] well if this budget doesn't pass and you have to cut like what are some of the things

[1:27:32] that you are considering and pay for play was one of the things that she mentioned during

[1:27:38] all of those conversations. So,

[1:27:42] I know that it might have taken some people by surprise,

[1:27:47] but I think I also want to make sure that people are grounded in the fact that this is not a

[1:27:51] Windsor only thing. There are actually one of the few towns that does not have pay for play sports.

[1:27:59] And I also want to address the fact that, you know, there's a lot of rhetoric around there that

[1:28:05] this is vindictive for people who chose not to vote for the budget.

[1:28:11] The goal of a public school is to educate our kids.

[1:28:16] And I'm reminded of that oftentimes when I come up here and I, you know,

[1:28:21] have learned that I now will present more data about the amazing work that our kids are doing

[1:28:25] scholastically, but this sports is an amazing outlet for kids.

[1:28:33] And we are able to engage kids in education that we wouldn't otherwise be if they didn't have

[1:28:38] the support and the family that they developed during sports.

[1:28:42] But sports is not the mission of a public school.

[1:28:47] So when we look at budget cuts, we have to look at what is going to be the furthest thing

[1:28:53] from the classroom, from the education, from the test scores that people are constantly telling

[1:29:01] are not good enough. So it was a hard decision and it was an awful decision and it was not a decision

[1:29:07] that anyone on the board wanted to approve, but when we looked about where we could cut that would

[1:29:12] not impact scholastically, which again is fundamentally what we are here for to do for our children.

[1:29:21] This is where I came from. So this was not done vindictively. This was done with everyone on the board,

[1:29:29] not wanting to do this, but not seeing a way that we could cut something else that wouldn't eliminate teachers or staff.

[1:29:38] So even through this, we're not eliminating coaches.

[1:29:41] We're not eliminating sports.

[1:29:43] We're able to maintain everything we have.

[1:29:46] It just, yes, unfortunately, is going to require parents to have to pay a certain amount for their children.

[1:29:53] That being said, I do not have an answer for you on if there will be payment plans.

[1:29:58] I think that would have to be a sense.

[1:30:00] I'm going to ask you a question, because they would be the folks that are responsible for bringing that money in and then paying out to that budget item.

[1:30:10] But that is definitely something that I can take back and make sure that announcements are made. If that is something that is available that the public knows, that it is available and how they can reach out to central office to set up that arrangement.

[1:30:24] But again, and you answered one of the questions that I was going to ask you, Secretaries

[1:30:29] Otter, in regards to how the decision was made, but you answered that it came back to the Board of Education.

[1:30:37] The Board of Education was aware that this was going to happen and move from there.

[1:30:43] Board of Education was aware, but it didn't know exactly like dollar amounts.

[1:30:47] To answer the latter part of your question comes from how every parent received a letter.

[1:30:51] That information is going out again, like with those, we get these big packets.

[1:30:56] For back to school, there's constant names that, like, it's going to be thoughtful to everything.

[1:31:00] So I have to determine my $100 for my young man to play basketball at the middle school, absolutely.

[1:31:08] So I appreciate that the board, Dr. Haley and her cabinet, sent the information out to families and they were able to access that.

[1:31:15] And it's also on our town, but I'm excuse me on the board of Ed, a website, so I just want to answer the latter part

[1:31:21] Just want the information after for folks

[1:31:23] But oh, no, we know they got it. I think everybody wins. Oh, I mean, if I'm ever close to don't necessarily have a young one

[1:31:29] No, I'm just in their charge so every parent in wins are got that letter

[1:31:35] That went out to the masses across town. Yeah, so thank you. Yes, I'm so so if I may ask you because I'm the money guy

[1:31:44] So I've always got to say the money question, how much money do you notice, how many student sports, kids are involved, meaning if one student's playing three sports that would be three students, do you know how many kids are doing sports?

[1:32:02] So again, I definitely don't have that number. I know Dr. Haiti has all of that information though because that was part of the data that they looked at, right?

[1:32:09] because part of what the fee came into to is like again how many kids what is going to be

[1:32:14] the amount of money we're trying to cover what are the and how many kids do we believe

[1:32:20] will be in a sport based on historical information and I do believe that they also considered

[1:32:24] a buffer that there might be some parents that don't want to pay for their kids to you know

[1:32:28] to play sports so I think they they looked at you know some differing percentages on you

[1:32:34] reduction of kids playing as well. And, like, I don't think this is something that I do

[1:32:42] know, I can speak for me, and I can speak for several board members, too, that, like, we

[1:32:47] are hoping that this isn't a long term solution. Like, we would love to not have to do pay

[1:32:55] for play sports. So that is definitely something come budget season that we are going to be

[1:33:04] and cut corners that wouldn't impact direct student education.

[1:33:12] You know, everything new budget cycle is back on the table.

[1:33:17] And we do know that this has not been a welcome announcement to a lot of parents,

[1:33:23] but I am happy to also see that there have been some parents that have been supportive

[1:33:27] that understand other towns do pay for play and have been happy the fact that Winsers

[1:33:31] been able to support the sports through the schools for as long as we have, so thank you.

[1:33:39] So if I just may follow that up, if you, I'm sure you don't have the number on you or with you,

[1:33:46] but how much are you anticipating collecting from this? Because I know the cut was I think 235,000.

[1:33:54] Yes.

[1:33:56] And yeah, I only looked at the number once that number for some reason resonates in my

[1:34:02] How much do you anticipate being able to collect from this pay for play?

[1:34:07] Again, I don't, because I don't have the information that Dr. Haiti was using.

[1:34:10] I would feel, I feel like it's inappropriate for me to make a guess on that.

[1:34:16] Well, fully understood, maybe at the next time we see you, you might have an answer.

[1:34:20] Thank you.

[1:34:20] I'm still reading that.

[1:34:22] Yeah, because I would say, I would imagine it's, yeah.

[1:34:27] Yeah.

[1:34:27] I'm not sure you're planning on collecting from all that.

[1:34:30] And I think, just as you would say, back at an act in math, it would be impossible.

[1:34:36] At the rate that it is currently, would be impossible to get to two and a third or

[1:34:40] thirty-five thousand.

[1:34:40] That's just my quick back to the Act in Math.

[1:34:42] Two thousand, three hundred and fifty student athletes would be in that role.

[1:34:50] So, Tom, sort of, do we have a quick question here?

[1:34:55] It's a lot of the students will go out.

[1:35:00] And earn money to hop, I'll set this, this cost.

[1:35:04] Yeah, I mean, there's been, there are Mr. Sivola, like you heard him speak. I know, oh my gosh,

[1:35:15] Ace Hardware. Oh my gosh, thank you.

[1:35:19] Has, has already, you know, talked about, you know, fundraising to raise funds directly for the sports.

[1:35:25] I do envision that we are going to see some more boosters kind of start up.

[1:35:31] I know we have some phenomenal booster clubs already that are out there.

[1:35:35] I mean the girls volleyball team was out there at Target, doing car washes this past weekend.

[1:35:40] So I do anticipate that we are going to see the fundraising that the kids are involved in.

[1:35:45] Step up a little bit.

[1:35:46] And I do see that we will probably have a little bit more involvement from the middle school

[1:35:50] PTO probably and from booster clubs in the high school as well.

[1:35:54] Okay, and is there any thought about some of the like the rotary club or other terrible clubs and town helping us set some of this?

[1:36:02] Yeah, I mean, I think that's a fantastic, a fantastic thought to reach out to our civic organizations to see if they'd be willing to help support some events.

[1:36:13] So, when you get done, you get money from the students fundraising, you get some maybe

[1:36:18] some charitable clubs, and then the final, the coming back to the town, say this is

[1:36:22] how much part we need.

[1:36:24] That would be the kind of the flow where that would flow.

[1:36:26] We can absolutely do that.

[1:36:27] And we can do it by sport season two, right, and also kind of understand.

[1:36:31] But I mean, I don't think the plan is to come to the town and ask for additional funds.

[1:36:37] It's, it is, we're going to do what we, what we can with what we have.

[1:36:40] Thank you, Secretary Zotter, Councilor Glenn, Secretary Zotter, I know we've talked about this many times about the sport program.

[1:36:50] So one of the things I'll mention is that the absorption was 203,000 for the athletic program, that's what that was the loss.

[1:37:00] So with the pay to play all of the information for the fees was out there, it's on the website for the Board of Education.

[1:37:05] and it's also on the town website.

[1:37:06] It was sent out to every family.

[1:37:08] Somehow another I also got a copy

[1:37:09] because Gracey used police sports,

[1:37:11] I guess they realized she's no longer in the school system.

[1:37:14] But one of the things I wanted to mention

[1:37:15] and I had mentioned to my fellow counselors here,

[1:37:20] the civic groups, Windsor's known for the civic groups.

[1:37:24] And they've always helped,

[1:37:25] and I know they help with little league

[1:37:26] and JC's and other groups.

[1:37:28] So I think that's a great area of the tap.

[1:37:31] As well as all the kids have to meet a requirement

[1:37:34] of community service. Correct? In high school. In high school. So this would be an opportunity

[1:37:40] in the high school to do fundraising as part of their possible community service. And maybe

[1:37:46] that could be implemented for the kids and be helpful. So I'd like to see that happen.

[1:37:53] And then work with the other civic group. So if that could happen I'd be great. But thank you

[1:37:57] for the information I appreciate it. Thank you for your report, Secretary Zatter. The counselors

[1:38:03] have given you much to bring back to your board. And, of course, I'm sure you'll share

[1:38:08] that with Dr. Haiti and you all will make informed decisions and let us know.

[1:38:13] Thank you so much.

[1:38:14] Thank you.

[1:38:16] Next is the public building commission, Rusty Peck.

[1:38:33] You can even imagine there, members of the Council.

[1:38:39] I'm here tonight to report on the public building commission.

[1:38:46] I know it's a, listening to this daunting having been

[1:38:49] President of the Windsor-American Little League for a few years

[1:38:52] and having a response, sir.

[1:38:54] Everyone go with it.

[1:38:56] Yeah, I will.

[1:38:57] I will.

[1:38:58] Okay, I'll stick to it.

[1:39:00] It's all done. Any questions? You have it in front of you?

[1:39:04] What's for dinner?

[1:39:09] Well, it's got it in front of you. Has some questions?

[1:39:14] If I may, Mr. Peck, we're going to be voting on the train station boiler.

[1:39:20] I just received a note from one of our residents

[1:39:23] who was to put it nicely in shock at the price.

[1:39:31] And I know there's a process of getting a lot of bids and all that, but the comment

[1:39:37] that was made, this is not a mid-six-figure job, this is a low or high-five-figure job.

[1:39:47] And I do appreciate that anything that sounds like it's cost-threat, I'm surprised.

[1:39:53] But it's, it's, we've gone through the process, the answer to Brown.

[1:39:56] I know. That's why I rather have the questions come in as opposed.

[1:40:00] To do that, that's an excellent question. We view the proposals from the various contractors. We select

[1:40:07] that NJ Edmonds. And that was the most responsible or the least quality. The lowest qualified

[1:40:17] contractor that we would come up with. But again, we understood that you would all be talking

[1:40:24] about it. And again, we only follow your direction by following the process. So I mean,

[1:40:33] it's, it is what it is. It's not, there is no bells and whistles. I mean, to relate

[1:40:40] that to it as we looked at the veterans pool renovations. And you got a chance to look at

[1:40:46] that. And then you were asked, well, can we go to a fourth item here or the like there we

[1:40:51] The information got the lowest qualified bids, but again, you set the tone and we try to keep it as low as possible and feel comfortable with what we have.

[1:41:07] I mean, we've had a good summer.

[1:41:10] I mean, as you looked at the LP Wilson projects, 50% done.

[1:41:14] Again, we're working on that.

[1:41:15] Sometimes that increases the budget a little bit only because unlike regular contractor projects,

[1:41:21] We have to fit them in so it doesn't interfere with the school time there.

[1:41:25] So I mean even when we bid them out and look at them and so that's what happens there.

[1:41:33] The projects are the process.

[1:41:36] I mean it would be good if you took a look at when it comes there and I can't say it.

[1:41:41] Lenses do their report to us the next meeting and so again we had at the last meeting.

[1:41:49] we got the feedback, now they're working on their final report, and when I say we got one set

[1:41:56] of things there, and we said all right, here's what's happening, and they're going to give

[1:41:59] us the final report, and then we're immediately going to be sharing it with you. I mean, in terms

[1:42:06] of what you're looking at here. But, you know, everything's coming in that we've presented

[1:42:14] you to date the items there on time and underbudget, which is good in these items.

[1:42:25] We look at town hall, we've got the big stuff done.

[1:42:28] We only have the punch list items such as the doors and that to be finished up boom.

[1:42:35] Looks good.

[1:42:35] Last and a long time from one, we did this town hall,

[1:42:41] but then we look at the, by low-peck school,

[1:42:44] the main public library.

[1:42:46] So with the length material there,

[1:42:48] and that stuff is, we're trying to get it done

[1:42:50] with an at-time frame and a cost frame,

[1:42:54] they'll be worthy of the town.

[1:42:56] In other words, in terms of doing it,

[1:42:59] not shoot it up, that's why you have the commission

[1:43:03] And to do that, and we take the feedback from you and again, it's, if you don't understand

[1:43:10] things, that's why they have someone like me that talks too much, you can think come

[1:43:14] up with any answer for you, but the fact that a man or his spent a lot of time on this,

[1:43:20] really.

[1:43:21] If I may ask one last question, how many quotes do we get for the trains that were typically

[1:43:25] as three quotes?

[1:43:28] I think that one was four, but it might have been just three.

[1:43:31] We've had a number of those that we've been having at different bids and you know what the problem is is some we think we're going to get a lot more than it comes in with one

[1:43:44] For the one and you know again one is not the best way to go if we don't have an idea or where it should be in my estimation

[1:43:55] Thank you sir

[1:43:57] Mr. Tom, the manager said, sort of fit.

[1:44:01] Definitely me.

[1:44:03] Mr. Pack, I think you also asked for the transition.

[1:44:06] Didn't you ask for a bid on an electrical boiler as well?

[1:44:10] Yes.

[1:44:11] Can you talk a little bit about that in the cost of that if you recall?

[1:44:14] A little bit more than we would have.

[1:44:17] Like to see.

[1:44:18] Would have liked.

[1:44:19] We tried all the different avenues every time there.

[1:44:22] Things sound good and we go on to do it and it's like, oh.

[1:44:26] Yeah, that's a little bit more, if you remember with my low-peck center, you know, the people from

[1:44:34] almost didn't want us to spend that money, so they walked it there, and again, it's what comes

[1:44:40] up between gas, oil, electric, and I mean, it's certain times the project comes in and by

[1:44:51] It's good at that particular time, but again, we're trying to do it on a long-term dollar value basis for each of the

[1:45:00] Projects, knowing that we'll go somewhat like that. I know that I'm not waving to people, but I mean, that's just the way it happens with that.

[1:45:09] I think that's what you're asking.

[1:45:10] Yes, I agree, because it was significantly higher.

[1:45:13] Yes, but it didn't fool us. I mean, we sort of wanted there, but we asked them to do it, and they just said,

[1:45:19] you realize it might go, you know, so it's, it's independent of that, but it, yes, it was healthy.

[1:45:27] Thank you.

[1:45:33] Thank you so much.

[1:45:35] Thank you.

[1:45:37] Next, inland wetlands and water courses commission.

[1:45:40] Steve Frazer.

[1:45:53] Good evening.

[1:45:55] I'm going to give an annual report for the inland wetlands and water course commission for the fiscal year 2026.

[1:46:01] During this fiscal year 2026, the inland wetlands and water course commission reviewed 24 applications for activities occurring within regulated wetlands

[1:46:11] water courses or within the 150 foot upland review area.

[1:46:17] Well, ends in water courses play a vital role in protecting water quality,

[1:46:23] reducing flooding, and providing wildlife habitat.

[1:46:28] The Commission reviews activities in and around these sensitive resources

[1:46:32] to help ensure that development proceeds in a manner that protects the ecological

[1:46:38] functions and values.

[1:46:40] The applications we reviewed included 15 commercial industrial approvals and nine residential

[1:46:47] approvals.

[1:46:49] Noteworthy projects included the approval of the Millbrook design improvements on Pigeon

[1:46:54] Hill Road and the mixed use residential developments on Griffin Road and at water side crossing.

[1:47:01] In addition to processing permit applications, the commission successfully resolved two regulatory

[1:47:08] violations through ordered restoration and remedial actions. The Commission hosted 12 meetings,

[1:47:15] including one special meeting, all meetings were conducted in a hybrid format,

[1:47:23] allowing commissioners,

[1:47:24] applicants and residents to participate either virtually via Zoom or in person. Applications

[1:47:31] continued to be processed in a timely manner while receiving thorough technical and regulatory

[1:47:39] review. The Inland Wetland and Water Course Commission remains committed to balancing

[1:47:45] responsible development with the protection of Windsor's natural resources by regulating

[1:47:52] activities that may affect water quality, biodiversity, wildlife habitat, erosion control

[1:48:00] and the long-term health of wetlands and water courses. The Commission also continued to

[1:48:08] promote the establishment of conservation easements on residential properties to help protect

[1:48:13] sensitive resources and reduce the potential for future regulatory violations.

[1:48:20] We have many openings on our commission as well, so if anyone is interested, please

[1:48:25] kind of tag myself for the wetland agent Chloe Thompson.

[1:48:29] Thank you so much, Steve, and yes, many opening, so thank you for that.

[1:48:36] All right.

[1:48:36] Councillor's questions, comments.

[1:48:42] We'll thank you for the annual report.

[1:48:43] Thank you.

[1:48:44] Thank you.

[1:48:46] We're on to item number eight.

[1:48:47] The town manager's report, Mr. Caesar.

[1:48:49] Thank you very much, Madam Mayor.

[1:48:51] I will try to zip through these quickly.

[1:48:55] Just to remind her, the early voting for the Democratic primary elections.

[1:49:01] So that started today.

[1:49:03] It runs through August 9th.

[1:49:09] There is extended hours on tomorrow, as well as Thursday,

[1:49:13] from 8 a.m. until 8 p.m.

[1:49:17] And folks can go on to the town's website for information,

[1:49:22] both for early voting, and for absentee ballot process.

[1:49:28] The primary itself is on Tuesday, August 11th,

[1:49:31] and that will have all of our polling places will be open

[1:49:34] for the primary on Tuesday, the 11th,

[1:49:38] normal hour 6am until 8pm.

[1:49:41] Tomorrow night, the police department,

[1:49:43] along with a number of community partners,

[1:49:45] will be hosting the annual National Night Up Celebration,

[1:49:49] and that will run from five o'clock until 8 o'clock here

[1:49:52] on the town green.

[1:49:54] As you know, there will be also activities for the families,

[1:49:58] there will be music.

[1:50:00] Concert as well as games and activities and refreshments. And we encourage folks to bring along a non-perishable

[1:50:07] food item to support the food and fuel bank. Speaking of the food and fuel bank, the Lions Club,

[1:50:15] the Windsor Lions Club, one of our great civic organizations is hosting their seventh annual

[1:50:20] food drive. It's a drive-through food drive, so you can drive right to LP Wilson Community Center.

[1:50:27] volunteers will unload your donations and you can be on your way. Again, non-perishable food items

[1:50:37] are asked to be brought. Unfortunately, no glass containers, just for no glass containers at the

[1:50:44] food bank. And this, again, the food and fuel bank is a non-profit here in town of Windsor.

[1:50:51] We partner with that 501c3 to provide those needed services to our community members.

[1:51:00] On September 11th, we will be commemorating the 25th anniversary that

[1:51:10] tragic day.

[1:51:13] We will have our walk of light.

[1:51:16] Remembrance ceremony here on the town green, it'll start at 6 o'clock and so we have 2,977

[1:51:28] Luminary bags that will be decorated and so we've had great great participation

[1:51:34] from across the community but we still have some more to do and so our public relations team will be on the town green tomorrow evening

[1:51:43] for national night out as well as August 20th at the Thursday night,

[1:51:50] concentrate on the green and so folks can stop by that table and if they care to decorate

[1:51:55] a few bags that would be fantastic. Folks can also contact the need of jubilee here at Town Hall

[1:52:03] if they would like to volunteer in some form or fashion.

[1:52:09] I want to mention a new program that we are

[1:52:12] a new event that's coming up on Thursday the 20th.

[1:52:17] It's going to be a instruction park and it's a back-to-school social for those families that

[1:52:24] are caretakers, grandparents and other caretakers for grandchildren or their nieces and nephews.

[1:52:34] This is a program that we have for a number of years to support those caregivers and this year

[1:52:39] We're going to have a picnic at 4 to 7 on August 28th at Sharshan Park, just a way to be able

[1:52:46] to again bring those groups together.

[1:52:48] Those grandparents that are raising younger grandchildren, you know, it's a tough, tough

[1:52:55] battle.

[1:52:56] And so we try to bring those together to provide support for those caregivers.

[1:52:59] And this is in partnership with the Windsor Public Schools as well.

[1:53:05] As the council knows, we send out a calendar or magazine.

[1:53:12] There's a lot to do in Windsor three times a year.

[1:53:15] And so we've got a few curveballs thrown at us this year.

[1:53:19] Those have been traditionally delivered for the last 25 years

[1:53:22] through the Hartford Currents home delivery

[1:53:25] when they delivered their food and flavor publication.

[1:53:30] And so unfortunately Hartford Current has decided not to

[1:53:33] have those that home delivery option any longer, and so for this edition that goes out in

[1:53:40] August we will be mailing those through the United States Postal Service. We will be looking

[1:53:48] at other ways of distributing this issue or excuse me future issues, but this particular

[1:53:54] issue we are going to use the Postal Service just because of time to be able to make sure

[1:54:00] that it gets out by the September timeline.

[1:54:07] And so, thank you, thank you to our senior public relations staff

[1:54:12] for pulling that off with very short notice.

[1:54:15] And speaking of public relations, I'm happy to say that we

[1:54:18] are finalists for two separate national awards

[1:54:24] for our plan of conservation and development communication efforts.

[1:54:28] And so these awards are given by the City County Communications and Marketing Association,

[1:54:35] which is a professional organization that serves North America.

[1:54:41] And so we've been nominated in two different categories.

[1:54:46] And so hopefully we will be a winner in one of those categories.

[1:54:54] And those wars will be announced in September, and that we want to give a-

[1:55:00] A big congratulations, and thank you to Anita Jubilee, Andrew Goldberg, and Molly Shannon for their efforts

[1:55:09] for not only the POCD communications, but also all of our social media efforts in the past

[1:55:17] year as they continue to try to get the word out on all the different good things that are happening

[1:55:21] in town. And with that, I can answer any questions that council members have.

[1:55:26] Thank you, Mr. Susa, any congratulations to you and the team on the nominations that's excellent.

[1:55:32] Questions, comments, counselors?

[1:55:34] I just have a quick question.

[1:55:36] Peter, for the...

[1:55:39] The Windsor Food and Field Bank, but the Lions, what was the date of that?

[1:55:43] That is this Saturday.

[1:55:44] Does this mention that?

[1:55:45] Is this Saturday?

[1:55:47] And it runs from

[1:55:52] certain times to a certain time.

[1:55:55] I can find quite a piece of it from 9 o'clock until 1 o'clock down at L.P. Wilson on the 8th.

[1:56:01] Thank you.

[1:56:07] All right. Thank you for the report, Mr. Sussa. Reports are standing committees.

[1:56:13] I think the only committee comes with anything for us.

[1:56:16] Yes, we had a great finance committee last week. A couple of different gen items. One of them will be discussing later tonight.

[1:56:24] But we are hoping to have a more of a public information session around some of the other items that we're discussed before we bring them to the council for vote.

[1:56:35] So stay tuned for that in the next month or so.

[1:56:40] But we've got a busy agenda.

[1:56:41] We mapped out to think we discussed about 10 different items between now and then we're here that we're trying to cover.

[1:56:47] So come attend.

[1:56:48] Finance is fun and it impacts budgets and I know you all love to come talk about that come the springs

[1:56:54] I'd love to hear from you sooner. Please do come attend or finance committee. Thanks. Thank you, thank you

[1:57:02] This evening, there are no ordinances. We do not have any

[1:57:05] Business or we'll move into new business

[1:57:08] All right, I don't know 12 A is there a motion?

[1:57:12] I move to accept the Connecticut Secretary of the State's early voting grant and authorized expenditure

[1:57:17] or authorize the expenditure of grant funds.

[1:57:20] So I think that was kind of so polkaid.

[1:57:24] Thank you, Mr. Caesar.

[1:57:26] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[1:57:27] I'm going to invite up our town clerk, Scott Nolan,

[1:57:29] to provide a brief overview of this grant,

[1:57:33] which will help to underwrite state mandate of early voting.

[1:57:43] Good evening, Madam Mayor and members of the town council.

[1:57:46] On behalf of the Register of Butter's Office

[1:57:48] and myself, I am here to address you this evening,

[1:57:51] regarding grant monies, the town of Windsor is expected to receive for the Democratic primary

[1:57:56] on August 11th, in November, general election on November 3rd, 2026.

[1:58:02] As Windsor voters, I get ready to vote and head to the polls for the Democratic primary

[1:58:06] on August 11th, voters may opt to early vote during the seven-day early voting period, which

[1:58:11] began today in Monday, August 3rd, and runs through Sunday, August 9th, 2026.

[1:58:16] For voters wishing to early vote for the November 3rd, 2026 general election, they may do so

[1:58:21] beginning on Monday, October 19th through Sunday, November 1st.

[1:58:26] All early voting will be conducted out of the Ludlow Room here at Town Hall.

[1:58:30] In an effort to alleviate some of the financial costs associated with early voting, the Connecticut

[1:58:35] Secretary of State's office has secured grant funding that will be awarded to municipalities

[1:58:39] through this early voting grant.

[1:58:40] I'm happy to report that the town of Windsor has been awarded $20,000, $51.24 in grant money

[1:58:48] to support early voting in 2026. Windsor may choose to use these grant funds to offset the

[1:58:53] cost associated early voting, which includes the labor, training, ballot order, and polling

[1:58:58] location related expenses. The anticipated cost for early voting for the August Democratic

[1:59:02] primary and November 3rd to 2026 general election is approximately $33,75 for the combined 21 days

[1:59:11] of early voting. The majority of the additional cost is due to the labor expenses having an

[1:59:17] additional moderator, ballot clerk, and tabulator tender available each day of the early voting period.

[1:59:22] All grant funds must be expanded by June 30th, 2027. I will oversee the grant application and the

[1:59:30] reporting requirements to do to the state, and with that at this time, if you have any questions,

[1:59:35] I'd be happy to answer them.

[1:59:37] Thank you so much.

[1:59:38] Come to those questions.

[1:59:41] All right.

[1:59:42] So if we're ready for the vote.

[1:59:43] All in favor?

[1:59:45] All right.

[1:59:48] I'm so sorry.

[1:59:49] I did not see your hand this time.

[1:59:52] That's, I'm thinking about a mirror.

[1:59:54] I just said one question.

[1:59:55] Is any of those ones allocated towards transportation?

[2:00:00] To the polls?

[2:00:02] No, not that I'm aware of.

[2:00:06] Okay, that was just my question. Thank you madam there.

[2:00:08] Thank you. All right, council is at the ready for the vote. All in favour?

[2:00:14] Aye.

[2:00:15] All right.

[2:00:16] Seeing you hearing no opposition or abstentions, that passes 8 to 0 to 0.

[2:00:21] Thank you. Thank you, counters.

[2:00:24] Right, I have a 12 fee.

[2:00:25] I move to approve an appropriation from the general fund, unassigned fund balance in the

[2:00:30] amount of $64,200 and $222 to ECNA life insurance company for a property tax appealed

[2:00:35] settlement.

[2:00:37] Second.

[2:00:40] Thank you, Councilor Naim, Mr. Susie.

[2:00:42] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[2:00:44] Town Council had discussed this in executive session in July.

[2:00:49] As you know, property evaluation was in October of 2023,

[2:00:55] prosecutors both residential and commercial have the ability to appeal

[2:00:59] their valuations first to the local Board of Assessment Appeals,

[2:01:06] and then if they choose to, they can appeal it to the Superior Court.

[2:01:11] And this property owner did so in March of 2024 after substantial

[2:01:18] substantial research and negotiations.

[2:01:23] We've arrived at a reduced fair market value of 11 million dollars, which is a reduction

[2:01:31] of $1,560,000.

[2:01:34] This reflects a two, this will reflect a two year amount refund amount of $64,222.

[2:01:41] It's recommended that this be paid for from our general fund on a signed fund balance, and with that I can answer any questions that you may have.

[2:01:53] Thank you, Mr. Susie.

[2:01:57] Just a question for the public.

[2:02:00] Why a full refund rather than an application or applying a credit to future year?

[2:02:06] So, the Council does have the option of being able to provide a credit for both this and the following item.

[2:02:15] The recommendation from staff was in part because it was preferred by the, in some ways, preferred by the developed by the excuse me, the property owner.

[2:02:26] But also the fact that we would use our on hand cash and not impact our forecast revenue for FY27.

[2:02:39] I gotta remember what fiscal year we're in FY27.

[2:02:42] I have the same problem.

[2:02:45] We've had the green list another time in fact.

[2:02:49] Thank you.

[2:02:49] I think you're just good to have that information.

[2:02:51] People understand.

[2:02:51] Thank you.

[2:02:52] If we're ready for the vote council.

[2:02:54] All in favor.

[2:02:57] Thank you, Councillor Armstrong, here in opposition of abstention that passes nine, zero, zero.

[2:03:04] Item 12C.

[2:03:05] I move to improve an appropriation from the general fund unassigned fund balance in the amount

[2:03:09] of 174,172 dollars to old Windsor Station LLC for a property tax appeal settlement.

[2:03:17] Thank you, Councillor Eleville.

[2:03:19] Mr. Susie.

[2:03:19] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[2:03:22] Similarly, this was the subject of discussion and executive session in July.

[2:03:30] This is the Windsor Station apartments on Mechanic Street.

[2:03:35] The Fair Market value that the assessor had placed on this property in October 2023 was

[2:03:42] just under $31 million. Again, this property owner chose to appeal and this is a little bit

[2:03:51] different than a other residential property in that this is considered a commercial property

[2:04:00] and is based upon actual income and expense analysis.

[2:04:07] and so after reviewing this information that was provided by the property, additional information

[2:04:17] provided by the property owner and their professional consultants, there's been agreed upon

[2:04:24] reduction of $5,705,000 in value and again this is going back to October of 2023 valuation.

[2:04:35] So the spans two tax years in in that dollar more of $174,000 and as the motion states

[2:04:42] we recommend the general fund on the sign fund balance as the source.

[2:04:47] Thank you Mr. Susie.

[2:04:49] Council's questions here.

[2:04:52] All right, people ready for the vote?

[2:04:54] All in favor.

[2:04:57] Thank you, Council.

[2:04:57] I'm strong here in no opposition that passed.

[2:05:00] It is 9000. Thank you. Deputy Mayor. I move that the job description for the position of assistant to the

[2:05:08] time manager be approved as presented. Second, thank you, Councilor Nain. Mr. Siser.

[2:05:14] Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm going to invite up Sophia Castellanos, our human resources manager,

[2:05:29] and

[2:05:29] to describe how we got here and what the primary changes are.

[2:05:37] Okay, well good evening, Madam Mayor and Members of the Council.

[2:05:40] So before you this evening is a request to approve the updated job description for the assistant

[2:05:45] to the town manager position.

[2:05:47] As part of the town standard practice, whenever a position becomes vacant, staff review the

[2:05:51] associated job description to ensure accurately reflects the current responsibilities of the

[2:05:56] role and continues to meet the organization's operational needs.

[2:05:59] With the upcoming retirement of the current assistant to the town manager, this review was completed to determine whether any updates were warranted.

[2:06:08] Following the review, staff identified several revisions that better reflect how the position has evolved over time.

[2:06:14] In particular, the job description has been updated to more accurately capture responsibilities related to public relations, communications and community engagement.

[2:06:23] Additional updates have been made to the general purpose, essential duties, and responsibilities, and minimum qualification sections to ensure they align with the current expectations of the role.

[2:06:33] A competency section has also been added to bring the document into an alignment with the town's current job description format.

[2:06:39] These revisions are administrative and nature and are intended to ensure the job description accurately reflects the work being performed today.

[2:06:46] there is no proposed change to the position's classification or compensation, and I would be happy to answer any question.

[2:06:54] If I could just add to that, you folks maybe not familiar with this job title, this position, the incumbent in this position is a need of jubory,

[2:07:02] and a need of will be retiring early this fall, and so that's just to put that a little bit in context,

[2:07:11] And I think Anita's done almost every job in town and so after 30 a very productive 35 years plus career with us.

[2:07:25] So she started out in recreation and worked at Northwest Park and came over to town manager's office about 25 years ago and we all know she's done with us.

[2:07:34] So, I will note that we did reduce this from requiring a master's degree, so suggest

[2:07:41] not to be a bachelor's degree, and or any other equivalent experience.

[2:07:50] Thank you, Mrs. Suza. Questions, comments, councillors?

[2:07:56] All right, thank you, Mr. Suza.

[2:07:57] Very hard to choose to film.

[2:07:59] All right, so if we're ready for the vote.

[2:08:01] All in favour?

[2:08:02] Oh, Mary has a question.

[2:08:03] Councillor Armstrong, sorry.

[2:08:08] I just had a question, I heard the changes in the job description, but was there any change in the pay grade?

[2:08:18] No, it's still in pay grade eight, so there's no change to that.

[2:08:23] Okay, thank you, Matt.

[2:08:25] Thank you so much.

[2:08:26] Thank you.

[2:08:28] All right, if you're ready for the vote, all in favour?

[2:08:30] Aye.

[2:08:31] Thank you, Ms. Council Armstrong. Here, you know, opposition or extensions that pass is 9000.

[2:08:39] All right, I didn't 12 E. I moved to approve an appropriation of $345,000 from the General Fund

[2:08:45] Unassigned Fund Valence to fund the train station, each faculty placement project.

[2:08:49] Second.

[2:08:54] I'm going to give it to the lady.

[2:08:56] Okay.

[2:08:59] She has been trying all day.

[2:09:01] She has been trying all day.

[2:09:01] All right, thank you, comes on Armstrong.

[2:09:05] Mr. Shiza.

[2:09:06] Thank you very much, Madam Mayor.

[2:09:08] I'm going to ask up our facilities manager, Marco Leglico,

[2:09:13] to provide an overview of this, but while Marco's coming up

[2:09:17] to the microphone, I'll just provide a little bit of history.

[2:09:21] The train station, as you know, is owned by Amtrak.

[2:09:26] We have had a 40-plus year relationship with Amtrak through a lease, and so we lease this building as well as the freight house, which is fronts on the mechanic street.

[2:09:42] We lease this to the nonprofit organization in town, the Windsor Arts Center.

[2:09:46] And Windsor Arts Center pays rent for both buildings.

[2:09:50] They pay rent for the train station in the amount of just under $16,000 a year.

[2:09:58] They also pay...

[2:10:00] For utilities, the majority of the utilities in the train station. The town still has a lease with

[2:10:07] Amtrak. We have the ability to extend that lease period for an additional 30 years. We are currently in

[2:10:16] Year 1 of a 10-year lease. So we have a 9-years left plus 30 years worth of potential extensions.

[2:10:25] I see no reason for Amtrak not to renew those extensions in the past, and they have no immediate plans or long-term plans for this station in terms of the building itself.

[2:10:41] The platform that you see there that was constructed probably 10 years ago now is actually a DOT facility and not Amtrak.

[2:10:50] So the platform that you see on both sides of Northbound and Southbound, and so with that I will let

[2:11:00] Marco talk about the project scope, and then we can answer questions that you might have.

[2:11:06] Thank you.

[2:11:07] Good evening.

[2:11:08] So at the beginning of this year, we engaged with JP engineering to do an engineering study

[2:11:15] on this project, and we looked at it five different options.

[2:11:20] And one of the tasks that we asked is to look at all possibilities, whether we go with

[2:11:27] all electric gas and give us the best scenario.

[2:11:31] And then in April of 2026, the town council approved an appropriation for the design.

[2:11:38] We contracted with GM2 for the design, and then we went out to bid for construction.

[2:11:45] PBC approved, MJMans as best qualified contractor, the lowest cost.

[2:11:53] We looked at trying to get the pricing for the most options of PBC, narrowed it down

[2:12:01] to a all five AC units, including the boiler upgrade, including those as heat pumps and not

[2:12:09] just AC units.

[2:12:10] So, that's the pricing we've gotten.

[2:12:16] What this includes is the pavement removal or the hazardous material of pavement for the

[2:12:23] boiler.

[2:12:24] So, the boiler will have to be completely removed and evaded.

[2:12:28] We're going to be replacing all five AC units with heat pumps and we're going to be putting

[2:12:33] in a primary secondary loop for the hot water system.

[2:12:40] Construction portion of this project is estimated to be about 345,000, including contingency.

[2:12:46] The project has higher than what was estimated in the fiscal 26 capital improvements project

[2:12:52] and that's because the capital improvement project basically consisted of just replacing that

[2:12:56] boiler with a new boiler.

[2:13:02] Construction expected to be eight to ten weeks.

[2:13:07] And with that, I'll answer any questions you may have.

[2:13:10] If I may, Madam Eric, just to speak to the funding source,

[2:13:16] the unassigned fund balance is the recommended funding source.

[2:13:20] When, as of the end of June 30th on audited,

[2:13:24] We have a fund balance of $44 million, $480,000 when you take into account the opening cash

[2:13:39] at the town council approved.

[2:13:41] As part of the budget, we would have in round numbers $42 million just shy of $42 million, which is 26.8% of the adopted budget.

[2:13:55] There's been some questions about using fund balance.

[2:14:01] We have, this is a project that was actually in the FY26CIP and it was planned to be used

[2:14:09] for the unassigned fund balance at that time as well.

[2:14:12] And so just with extended time to design the project and scope change, we could not get

[2:14:18] this project to the council in time for the FY26CIP, excuse me, fiscal year.

[2:14:24] And so that's why you're seeing it at this point in time, but I want to provide that context of where the overall fun balance is as of the end of July 30th, 2026.

[2:14:37] And thank you, Mr. Caesar for adding that.

[2:14:40] That piece is supported.

[2:14:41] Councillor Neine?

[2:14:42] Thank you so much.

[2:14:44] Just a question.

[2:14:44] What was the cost of the fully electrical option?

[2:14:49] So those were basically just estimates from the study.

[2:14:55] and let me see if I have roughly the cost.

[2:14:58] So I try to have that, it's 40%.

[2:15:00] The cost is not including controls. More baitment is the construction elements where approximately 40% higher.

[2:15:09] The estimate is 40% higher for the all-electro.

[2:15:12] So about 100,000?

[2:15:14] Those were the estimates.

[2:15:16] These are, I wouldn't want to compare it against the actual bids that we received.

[2:15:20] But what I do recall is when we were reviewing this with the PBC, the return on investment exceeded

[2:15:30] the life of the units.

[2:15:32] So before we recouped our costs by going to the electric, we would have to replace the

[2:15:37] units over again.

[2:15:39] So that's one of the reasons they said that doesn't make any sense at all.

[2:15:43] The other issue with this building is that it's mainly a heat load requirement and less cooling

[2:15:50] and therefore we either have to keep the boiler or oversized the electric units to achieve the heating requirement.

[2:16:08] How many square feet is the, there are two floors in the building correct?

[2:16:13] There's two floors and a basement.

[2:16:16] Okay, is the second floor usable?

[2:16:18] Yes, it is.

[2:16:19] Is it being used?

[2:16:21] Okay.

[2:16:22] All three floors.

[2:16:23] So how many square feet is the first floor?

[2:16:26] The first floor, approximately, I don't have that off the top of my head.

[2:16:33] Is it 2, 3, 4?

[2:16:36] You know what, let me see if he has that information in here.

[2:16:52] I don't see that information in here, so I don't have that off the top of my head, I bond up.

[2:16:59] So the heating system is going to go back to use a gas boiler.

[2:17:03] Okay, to keep this space.

[2:17:06] I'm just going to tell you, I've had multiple people who have looked at this and have made the same comment.

[2:17:14] 350 roughly, $350,000 for this is ridiculous.

[2:17:20] It is a very expensive project for a relatively small building that we don't even know.

[2:17:26] If I may ask, why isn't Amtrak picking up some of this cost?

[2:17:29] because the town of Windsor signed an agreement 40 plus years ago that says that we have

[2:17:34] responsibility for interior and exterior and all the cannibals. In exchange for that the town of

[2:17:40] Windsor received monies through the greater heart for transit district to preserve both of those

[2:17:48] store buildings, which were in complete disrepair, okay, and I got that.

[2:18:00] What do we pay for rent at least, what's at least rate on a dollar?

[2:18:04] So the least rate rate is basically, they take our revenue minus our expenses and if there

[2:18:12] Delta, then we pay that dollar amount, and this past year, it was less than $3,900.

[2:18:21] So we pay them basically, that profit from the building, would the cost of this be included,

[2:18:29] be an adjustment to that net profit? We are working with the infracting for, I don't get this included

[2:18:36] as they depreciated cost over the year, over the coming 12, 15 years.

[2:18:44] So in theory we would be able to recoup some portion of this, I'm sorry, I do, this is a very large number.

[2:18:56] A large number, I just want to include controls, digital controls, it includes $16,000 for

[2:19:06] as this material abatement, and remember the 345, 345,000,

[2:19:11] also includes $45,000 worth of contingency,

[2:19:15] which is a little bit higher than it,

[2:19:16] we normally carry because of the historic nature

[2:19:20] and the way that building is constructed.

[2:19:22] So when you look at construction costs,

[2:19:25] we're at $2.35, and that is for the boiler,

[2:19:29] and then five heat pumps.

[2:19:35] If I may add, this also is a prevailing wage project, which typically doubles the cost,

[2:19:43] the quotes that we received were within $8,000 of each other, so they're relatively close

[2:19:50] regarding the cost of the equipment and the labor.

[2:19:57] It is just it is

[2:20:01] I'm used to seeing big numbers when it comes to the town doing a project, and I get that.

[2:20:08] But I've had, like I said, multiple people sit there and come back to me and make comments like,

[2:20:14] this, this is a $50 or $100,000 project, worst case, how do you come up with $235, and you're not even including the controls?

[2:20:23] So, I'm just going to have to say, I'm going to be no on this, if we had an agreement with

[2:20:30] the Amtrak to come back, what covers some of the cost, even if it was not giving

[2:20:35] him any rental income in the future, that would make it a little more palatable, but I've

[2:20:40] had multiple resonances go yikes.

[2:20:44] So, I'm going to have to pass on it.

[2:20:46] Thank you.

[2:20:47] Thank you.

[2:20:48] How's it all about?

[2:20:48] Council, I'm strong.

[2:20:50] Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor.

[2:20:53] And as you were talking, have you looked at, or, I'm sure you know, the warranties

[2:20:57] of the lives span of the renovations that is required.

[2:21:03] I'm sorry.

[2:21:04] Do you agree with that again?

[2:21:05] Yeah.

[2:21:05] Life cycle.

[2:21:06] Life cycle.

[2:21:06] The life cycle of the equipment.

[2:21:09] The equipment is somewhere between 20 to 25 years.

[2:21:13] Okay.

[2:21:14] And I know I'm thinking this is in a historical site, so it would be beneficial to restore

[2:21:22] and in good condition.

[2:21:25] So thank you.

[2:21:25] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[2:21:26] Thank you.

[2:21:27] Thank you.

[2:21:28] I have a question.

[2:21:30] Thanks.

[2:21:30] I just want to address some of the concerns.

[2:21:33] I had similar questions.

[2:21:34] Councillor Alvel and I've reached out to Tom Manager to understand our lease agreement.

[2:21:38] And the biggest thing that stands out to me is I understand your concerns are on cost.

[2:21:43] We had similar discussions when we were talking about tennis courts just about six months ago.

[2:21:47] Oh yeah.

[2:21:47] And the reality is is, you know, because of, you have people that know a person, know a guy,

[2:21:53] can understand buildings, have a small business, they get the hookups, they are not.

[2:21:58] Behold it to certain types of laws, restrictions, labor wages.

[2:22:03] And are able to get things done for half the cost.

[2:22:07] They can find ways to cut corners, find ways to do things on a cheap, cheap labor cheap materials.

[2:22:12] materials, you know, that's something that I appreciate a lot coming from the town and coming

[2:22:17] from the BBC that we don't cut corners.

[2:22:20] We try to make things work as well as we can where we kind of, you know, have put out all

[2:22:24] the options that we have available to us.

[2:22:27] We make hard decisions, I think we've got some kind of decisions coming up as we're talking

[2:22:31] about different phases of the little league fields where we're making decisions based on cost.

[2:22:35] But I don't think that this is a matter of our PBC

[2:22:39] in our town staff just getting high quotes.

[2:22:42] This is what the market looks like right now

[2:22:44] for any municipality to do any kind of work.

[2:22:47] We've seen that with all the other work

[2:22:48] that we've done in our buildings across town.

[2:22:52] So the cost, yes, also made me step back and say,

[2:22:56] hey, what is this really and how big is property, et cetera?

[2:23:01] But understanding the background, it helped explain a lot.

[2:23:04] The other piece of this is, we don't own the property,

[2:23:07] but we've had a long standing relationship there.

[2:23:11] If we choose not to do anything,

[2:23:12] and if the building starts to deteriorate,

[2:23:16] I don't have good faith that

[2:23:19] and practice going to come in and take care of it.

[2:23:22] And what I don't want now that we have

[2:23:24] a great new train line that's going through,

[2:23:26] we have a train station, we have activity picking up,

[2:23:28] we've got the bird page being activated,

[2:23:30] we have apartments across the street,

[2:23:32] What I would hate to see is one losing a historical building because we can't figure out the maintenance of it and two

[2:23:42] Losing the the vibrancy that's coming in through the heart center. So

[2:23:46] Again, had all the same questions you had I gave

[2:23:49] You know Peter call this morning to kind of understand it better because a lot of this it's been around for 40 years

[2:23:54] So it's been around for longer than I've been alive

[2:23:57] in terms of the agreement for getting the building but you know and it is it is tricky

[2:24:02] because again but in my finding a share I had on I'm looking at every dollar that we're

[2:24:06] spending but I do think that we we are at risk of seeing long-term blight and deterioration

[2:24:15] in an area that's finally being meeting to pick up energy so for those reasons I will be

[2:24:20] supporting this day.

[2:24:27] I can hear both sides of the argument if you will hear constantly

[2:24:31] I think you're spot on with a lot of things that are going on here, and, you know, we have an

[2:24:38] obligation as the time manager said to do some of these things. So, you know, we're kind

[2:24:45] of on the hook in some way, shape, or form. I also come back and I think about, without knowing

[2:24:52] a guy or anything else, I just literally Google like to put it in a mini split in my own

[2:24:57] I was, if you will, in a way to doubt about going home.

[2:25:00] I'm sorry for having the time to say it for the past 9 years. I'm not just somebody who is telling me this is your first start of this. It's a little bit different about it. Do you know, we have a conversation with people that consider social justice. I think it's a little bit different, but it's a very different thing to do. Sometimes we talk a lot about what is proper and what is working. I think we have to deal with the work that we're doing. So I'm just curious. I didn't think about it, but I think I was just going to be doing it. Maybe we're going to be trying to put some things down on that. You know, right now, we're going to have to do one thing. We are going to need to look at this. I could look for a way to get it. And if I could just look at it to do what I'm doing.

[2:25:29] that might be caused more cost efficient.

[2:25:34] And I understand your point and I understand

[2:25:35] and I don't think the town's staff did anything bad.

[2:25:38] It just, this price tag just hits it me

[2:25:40] when I look at this and I know that it feels like

[2:25:43] did we think this through?

[2:25:46] Did we go through it?

[2:25:47] And just with what I see in front of me,

[2:25:49] I can't support it as much as I want to do

[2:25:50] and know we have to.

[2:25:52] I kind of want to do it back to the drawing board

[2:25:54] sort of thing and is there something we can do

[2:25:56] to tweak this down?

[2:25:57] That's just where I am on this.

[2:25:59] I don't know if I just would love some clarification.

[2:26:02] You know, talk about other options.

[2:26:04] I know we had five different options that we looked at.

[2:26:06] I'm just curious what other types of options are you thinking about that?

[2:26:10] I'm not the expert on this, but like I said,

[2:26:12] so look, the experts are coming to us.

[2:26:14] I understand that, but I just look at the price tag.

[2:26:17] And I say, no, we've got to do we have to have a C, for example.

[2:26:21] Just what's the, so I'm not saying let's take that.

[2:26:25] I understand that's a fair question.

[2:26:27] I just wasn't sure if you, but I want to be careful of questioning the ability and integrity of the staff and the PBC because they put in a lot of work.

[2:26:36] So I think what they're presenting to us, I, given the history of what we've seen in the past, I believe is what's the best option for what we were looking for, which was, hey, upgrading HVAC.

[2:26:47] But if the other option is not having any AC in that building, that's a very different option.

[2:26:52] I totally understand where you're coming from and that one.

[2:26:54] Like, do we have to have digital goals?

[2:26:56] Can we just have a one-third of that on like,

[2:26:58] I don't know sort of, so, I don't know how to deal with that.

[2:27:00] Deputy Mayor.

[2:27:02] So, I just have a question regarding the process

[2:27:05] because I've sat in a lot of public building commission

[2:27:07] and I've seen how the way the bids are put together.

[2:27:10] And so, maybe you can just ask how you get to a bid

[2:27:13] and how the five bids come back

[2:27:14] and a little bit about the process

[2:27:16] because I too understand the price tag,

[2:27:18] but I want to understand a little bit for my,

[2:27:21] Just what I understand why I think I'm going to support this is, how do you get to the bid?

[2:27:26] How is it put together? What does prevailing wage mean?

[2:27:29] What do you have to have digital controls?

[2:27:31] Why does it kind of, how do we get to this cost?

[2:27:36] So when we received the study, we went back and forth to finalized the design.

[2:27:43] It was narrowed down to the heat pumps and the boiler to be the most practical and efficient system.

[2:27:51] and cost effective system to install.

[2:27:56] We then reached out to, in our mechanical firms,

[2:28:02] requesting proposals for this.

[2:28:04] If we're over, if the project's going to be over $125,000,

[2:28:08] it has to be prevailing wage in certified payroll.

[2:28:11] And then we give them a timeline of went to come back with that pricing.

[2:28:18] they come back. We had three firms, M.J. Ammons, AirTemp, and USA Mechanical. Two of the firms,

[2:28:27] we received quotes from, and one of the firms decided not to bid it. And this depends on the size

[2:28:36] of the project, that's something that not a lot of firms would be necessarily interested in. So we did get the pricing.

[2:28:45] they were higher than we expected, so we asked them to break out the pricing for the individual

[2:28:50] units so that we can compare if we have to take some equipment out.

[2:28:56] We presented that to the PVC again, and they said decided to go ahead with all five units.

[2:29:02] There are two units that are not as old, but I think they're eight years old, the newest one,

[2:29:09] But in order to achieve the full functionality that the engineer designed, we would have to change how the hot water coils work so it makes sense to just change all five units as opposed to leaving those two that would then not operate with the with the new system.

[2:29:28] The boilers, as far as the abatement, went back to the Hasment Company and the original

[2:29:35] Quote gave me, did not include prevailing wage.

[2:29:38] I came back and said, I needed to be prevailing wage and that price pretty much doubled.

[2:29:44] And so, and then on the controls, we did the same thing.

[2:29:46] We have automated launch recruits, our controls contractor.

[2:29:49] The reason we're doing controls, one is to try and operate the units as efficient as

[2:29:54] but we also had a leak in the boiler room that pretty much sprayed water.

[2:30:00] We're all over the boiler and took the boiler down. We were there at 11 o'clock at night in the middle of the winter. We got the boiler running, but we know now what the condition of the boiler is if it's going to continue to operate.

[2:30:13] So the idea is to have alarms be able to come in and try to prevent that from being a major issue in damaging the equipment more. So that's one of the features that the controls will give us as well as operating in the first one.

[2:30:26] So, I don't know what that answers your question?

[2:30:28] Yeah, I have two more questions that you might, I beg your indulgence, thank you.

[2:30:34] That was a great answer, and I just want to understand, perhaps this is for you, Mr.

[2:30:40] Town Manager.

[2:30:40] I think you said this was on the plan the year before to have these replacements done,

[2:30:45] is that correct?

[2:30:45] Yes.

[2:30:46] So we actually defrayed, we're pushing this forward, so that might have

[2:30:50] caused two because I think things have gotten higher.

[2:30:52] Is that correct?

[2:30:53] It certainly has been delayed a year.

[2:30:57] My original scope of work was just to replace the boiler.

[2:31:03] And then the council had asked us to look at a variety of options, including all electric.

[2:31:09] And so that design process didn't allow us to bring it back earlier in fiscal year 26.

[2:31:17] Thank you.

[2:31:18] And then my last question.

[2:31:19] Maybe you could talk to me a little bit about the make-up of the public building commission,

[2:31:25] how long the commissioners have been there and perhaps some of their background.

[2:31:28] I believe I know some of them have an engineering background and some other things.

[2:31:32] They've been looking at dids for a while.

[2:31:34] I think some of them have been there for it.

[2:31:36] Take that.

[2:31:37] So we have a building commission that is well versed in a not only through their own professional disciplines,

[2:31:48] But from being on the public build and commission some of them been on the on the commission for over 25 years and

[2:31:56] They range from a variety of them have a number of them have different different types of engineering

[2:32:03] mechanical

[2:32:04] Others are in the water water treatment

[2:32:08] space and have

[2:32:10] decades of

[2:32:12] Experience working with the with the both private and public sector

[2:32:16] You know, Mr. Peck, who has a accounting and finance background.

[2:32:23] We do have a few newer members who have been on for five to seven years, but again,

[2:32:29] they bring a whole host of expertise from their own experiences, if you will,

[2:32:44] and they've worked

[2:32:46] project all the way up to multimillion dollar projects, including the 32 million dollar project

[2:32:52] for the health and safety from the public safety complex project that was successfully

[2:32:56] done and brought in under budget, probably like six or seven years ago.

[2:33:01] Thank you. That's the only question. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[2:33:04] Thank you, consider it.

[2:33:10] I've got a couple of questions. I have the same issues with the price tag.

[2:33:14] as a rest of my colleagues here.

[2:33:19] You know, I look at these five new heat pumps.

[2:33:22] What's the existing useful life of a,

[2:33:26] on the new existing heat pumps we have?

[2:33:29] You say you have eight new ones?

[2:33:32] There's two that are eight years old.

[2:33:34] Yes.

[2:33:36] The remaining, like 36 years old, 38 years old,

[2:33:41] 32 years old.

[2:33:42] the boiler itself is 43 years old, you know, they're well beyond their useful order.

[2:33:47] So what would happen if you split the project into two?

[2:33:50] It would be three place to AC or do place to boiler.

[2:33:52] Actually it sounds like you need to replace the boiler first.

[2:33:55] So if you choose not to do the AC and you just replace the boiler,

[2:33:59] then you'll have to replace the boiler with a like system that it has,

[2:34:05] which will not get you the efficiencies that the engineer is going to design into the project.

[2:34:10] And then I'm not sure down the road if you change the AC units that you get, you already now have the boiler that's going to be operating in a less efficient manner.

[2:34:21] They were basically, it's a primary or secondary heating system is what's being designed right now.

[2:34:28] So that may not be feasible by doing this, splitting it up.

[2:34:34] But in the past, the ACU should put in where it put in with the existing boiler at that time, right?

[2:34:41] Correct.

[2:34:42] Okay.

[2:34:43] So you just did one part of the project then.

[2:34:47] You didn't update the boiler, did you?

[2:34:50] Correct.

[2:34:50] But it's not.

[2:34:50] It's not.

[2:34:51] That was a 80% efficient gas boiler at the time.

[2:34:56] This is going to be a 95 or 98% efficient.

[2:35:00] Condensing boiler, so it will be a different design with today's technology.

[2:35:05] So, can I just change that one? Now, would that, just from efficiency of any of the cost?

[2:35:10] Of this?

[2:35:12] Yes, it will. The operating cost, obviously, from an 80% to a 98% efficiency on the boiler alone.

[2:35:22] And then AC units will be a more efficient AC, or actually it would be a heat pump.

[2:35:28] So with the heat pump, the AC units will be the primary heat, and the boiler will be the secondary heat.

[2:35:35] So on the shoulder monster, heat pumps will basically do the heating, and that will be more efficient.

[2:35:40] And then in the winter when the heaviest load comes about, the boiler will be taken up, the additional load.

[2:35:47] There's also, there's also, with this system, there's incentives from the utilities that will be offered.

[2:35:55] Okay, I think it will do the efficiency.

[2:35:57] Is any of that information available to us?

[2:36:01] We do have the initial study that was completed in January of this year.

[2:36:09] that was done prior to asking the town council for the full design.

[2:36:15] We do have the option.

[2:36:18] If I'll say the evaluation in which I'll line the five different options.

[2:36:23] Okay, and what's the time?

[2:36:29] What's the rush on this?

[2:36:30] Is there something that you get right away?

[2:36:32] Or is there something that you can be put on?

[2:36:34] So the reason a boiler was in the CIP is because it was 43 years old,

[2:36:39] over 43 years old, and it was honest last leg.

[2:36:44] And since then, we've had that water leak that caused it even more damage.

[2:36:50] So, we're on Pearl Time with that boy.

[2:36:53] And that's what kind of started this whole project.

[2:36:55] We were ready to start it, and then we said, hey,

[2:36:57] let's do a study and let's evaluate what the best option is,

[2:37:01] as opposed to just change in the boy that we're alone.

[2:37:03] And that's kind of where God is to this point.

[2:37:08] Thank you so from hearing the conversation because just for the viewing audience, this is a conversation that didn't just start when the agenda got sent out last Thursday.

[2:37:22] As a council we've been having the conversation going back to January, it's been in the time improvements booklet and I'm saying that because I just want people to know that

[2:37:33] not just popping up, but this has been a conversation.

[2:37:37] And talking about the price tag told me

[2:37:39] to understand Council L.V. LDS.

[2:37:41] I'm so envious on this side, we think about the dollars too.

[2:37:44] And so we reached out to Peter ahead of schedule,

[2:37:48] asking those same questions,

[2:37:49] but thinking about the project overall.

[2:37:52] This is not a residential property.

[2:37:54] It's a commercial property.

[2:37:56] The boiler is on its last leg.

[2:37:58] So if we kind of kick it down the road again,

[2:38:01] I would be more concerned about what that price tag is going to look like when it comes back around.

[2:38:07] So, that is my rationale for voting yes, I trust the work of our PBC, they do a great job making sure that it's not something that's exorbitant, you know, because everyone here wants to be fiscally sound.

[2:38:21] So, I'm going to support this because it's been a conversation that's ongoing, it's been in our town improvements document.

[2:38:27] that if you may or if I may ask, this was discussed at your last meeting.

[2:38:31] Yes, let's, okay, with the counselors that make up that, okay.

[2:38:36] So I'm going to support this because we need to move on that before we end up in a situation

[2:38:42] like another building that we are all aware of in town, okay?

[2:38:47] So that's my, my four cents because all of you brought in different pieces.

[2:38:52] But if we are ready for the vote, counselors, all right?

[2:38:56] Do you need to be state WBIR? I don't think you do. No, it was to approve appropriation for $345,000 from the general and a sound fund balance to fund the train station aid check. Project.

[2:39:08] All right.

[2:39:09] So all in favor.

[2:39:13] Thank you.

[2:39:13] Sir, Armstrong, all opposed?

[2:39:16] No.

[2:39:17] Any abstentions?

[2:39:20] All right.

[2:39:21] So that motion passes five, four, zero.

[2:39:26] Thank you, Thomas Lewis.

[2:39:27] And I would like to welcome you.

[2:39:28] I am 12.

[2:39:31] Thank you.

[2:39:32] I move to approve and approve.

[2:39:33] Thank you, Mark.

[2:39:34] Thank you.

[2:39:35] Thank you.

[2:39:35] I move to approve an preparation of $375,000 from the General Fund unassun, fund balance to fund the

[2:39:41] Welch Park Little League Facility Project.

[2:39:45] Thank you, Councilor Naim.

[2:39:47] Mr. Cazer.

[2:39:48] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[2:39:49] I'm going to invite up Paul Norse, our Director of Recreation and Leaders Services.

[2:39:53] I'm Paul's been one of the, the point person on this and I will.

[2:40:00] We'll review this item. We'll be able to answer questions afterwards. Again, this is funding source. This is the

[2:40:07] agenda fund on a signed fund balance that I mentioned earlier.

[2:40:13] Good evening, Mayor.

[2:40:14] Good evening. I have a question.

[2:40:16] I have a question.

[2:40:19] It's been a long time. Tonight, I'm here requesting your approval to fund facilitating

[2:40:25] improvements at the Wells Part Little League complex. These improvements go back to a

[2:40:31] townwide athletic field, mass the plan that was done back in 2013, which laid out a long-term

[2:40:39] strategy for investing, I know, athletic fields. Wells Park is amongst the last of the recommendations

[2:40:47] for the talented tackle. The project is identified in the fiscal year 2027 Capital Improvement

[2:40:55] Program. Wells Park is a five-field complex that serves youth baseball and softball programs.

[2:41:03] Field 5 especially holds a special place as that is home to our adaptive baseball program

[2:41:10] and gives players of all abilities a place to play.

[2:41:14] The town owns and maintains the property and our little legal organization supports us with

[2:41:22] a gigantic amount of hours from volunteers in managing the program handling day-to-day

[2:41:29] field prep and some repairs around the facility.

[2:41:33] Over time, much of the facility is one old and thus to look tired.

[2:41:40] The fence in backstop dug out irrigation and support buildings of all age to the point

[2:41:46] where they need repair or to be replaced to ensure safe and usable facilities for

[2:41:55] plays and family alike. The scope of the project includes new irrigation on fields 1 and 2,

[2:42:02] new fencing on field 1 and 2. Fence repair will be completed on fields 3 through 5 as well as

[2:42:12] there will be repair work to backstops as needed throughout the facility. The dugouts on fields 3 and 4

[2:42:20] will receive necessary repairs, however the dugouts on fill 5 will be new.

[2:42:27] The last step in this phase involves repairing and upgrading of support buildings which we

[2:42:33] consider storage garages and press boxes.

[2:42:37] The total cost for the project is $375,000, which includes a $35,000 contingency.

[2:42:45] If approved, the funding as the town manager said will come from the general fund, unassigned

[2:42:51] fund balance and work is expected to begin as early as mid-Satember.

[2:42:58] Looking ahead, we're also planning a phase two to this project that will come to you

[2:43:04] hopefully in fiscal year 2028, and that will address the dugout on the two main fields

[2:43:11] feel one and feel two. Staff is currently working through the details on that, which

[2:43:17] surveying, design work, permitting, and cost estimates. As you know, the Town Improvement

[2:43:23] Committee did review this project back on this June 29th meeting. With that said, I'm here

[2:43:30] to respectfully request Council approve the appropriate funding to move forward with this project.

[2:43:36] Thank you so much.

[2:43:41] Councilor.

[2:43:42] When were these fields facilities at this sort of level of scale lasted dressed?

[2:43:48] Do you have any idea when that was it?

[2:43:52] Fifty years ago was it?

[2:43:54] Let's go with that.

[2:43:55] No, but the little league folks have done a good job working in patching,

[2:44:03] in the town did a small fan's job, maybe about 10 years ago,

[2:44:10] and some of the fields, the little league folks in the town

[2:44:13] did collaborate and work on a concession building,

[2:44:16] so it's been quite a while.

[2:44:19] OK, so perhaps longer than I've been around.

[2:44:22] Well, I did speak to a contractor today

[2:44:24] who said that he worked on the original fence in 45 years ago.

[2:44:30] OK, so that's over there.

[2:44:32] Okay, can I do it? Are we ready for the vote?

[2:44:38] I just have a question about field five in the dugout because I know that's the field where they have.

[2:44:46] So is that dugout that may larger than the other dugouts or all the dugouts going to be accessible and large?

[2:44:52] So the dugouts specifically on five are not wide enough?

[2:44:58] Right, sorry, we need that one.

[2:44:59] Right.

[2:45:00] So the entrance will be wider to deal with various types of adaptability.

[2:45:06] Thank you.

[2:45:08] And really excited about the irrigation.

[2:45:10] I mean, if you visit Welsh through the years, yeah, it will definitely help.

[2:45:17] Councillor Armstrong?

[2:45:19] Yes, thank you Madam Mayor. Just a question.

[2:45:22] Is this field used for any other activities other than for the little league?

[2:45:26] No, it is not. The wealth feels a strictly used for little league. Maybe as a table all the way up to major little league.

[2:45:37] If I could add to that their season starts as soon as the winter breaks, which can often be early March and sometimes be a little bit later in March.

[2:45:49] But they go all the way through the better part of the summer as you heard earlier, and then they start up again in

[2:45:56] The fall and have a somewhat of a smaller season in the fall

[2:46:00] But they do use it in the fall as well. So it's it's being used the better part of

[2:46:06] You know seven or eight months and not only that the age group that their

[2:46:12] Participants are as young as four up to 14 and about

[2:46:16] 340 kids per season hmm thank you for that it's good to know thank you

[2:46:43] ready for the vote council. All right. All in favor?

[2:46:47] Hi. Here are going to opposition or abstentions that passes nine zero zero.

[2:46:53] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[2:46:56] Thank you.

[2:46:57] All right. Item 12G.

[2:47:01] Resolved that the attached priority redevelopment properties listed as amended to add the

[2:47:06] Windsor Federal Bank Properties 4507 Windsor Avenue and Wilson Townline Garage be adopted as

[2:47:14] Second.

[2:47:16] Thank you, Hanson.

[2:47:19] Mr. Susanne.

[2:47:20] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[2:47:21] I'm going to provide a Patrick McMahon.

[2:47:23] Our economic development director to provide this requested amendment to add these properties.

[2:47:32] And the economic development commission as Patrick will note had reviewed these and endorsed this recommendation.

[2:47:40] Good evening, honorable mayor. Members of the town council. In December of 2002, the town council adopted a tax increment financing policy as one tool to encourage the redevelopment of key vacant or underutilized properties. As part of the policy, the council approved a priority redevelopment properties list to provide specific guidance regarding which sites would be eligible for tax increment financing.

[2:48:07] In recommending the initial list, the Economic Development Commission included a statement of its purpose and procedures and criteria for updating properties.

[2:48:17] The Commission is to review the list at least annually and report its recommendations for additions or deletions to the town council.

[2:48:26] The Economic Development Commission reviewed the priority redevelopment property list during its July meeting.

[2:48:32] The Commission voted to recommend the addition of the following properties.

[2:48:36] The Windsor Federal Bank Properties at 250 and 260 Broad Street and 21 Maple Avenue.

[2:48:44] You know that that would be the gray brick bank building built in 1956.

[2:48:50] It is available for redevelopment as Windsor Federal recently did an extensive renovation

[2:48:56] to the historic red brick structure located at 270 Broad Street and they have corporate

[2:49:02] offices now on Day Hill Road so that's excess property for Windsor Federal and there has

[2:49:09] been some interest in redevelopment of the site.

[2:49:13] The second location is 457 Windsor Avenue.

[2:49:17] This is an existing two-story commercial building which is on the market, it's a house

[2:49:25] FB and W. Carpet is adjacent or kitty corner to the new Wilson Park.

[2:49:34] Inclusion on the list is for the possible assemblage with a two acre parcel at 259

[2:49:41] broad street about a half acre parcel at 465, Windsor Avenue.

[2:49:46] Both of those are already on the list.

[2:49:49] the concept will be potential assemblage into a larger development.

[2:49:54] And then the third site being recommended by the Economic Development Commission is the Wilson Townwide.

[2:50:00] Sign garage, a Windsor Avenue. It's essentially right next to the Greater St. Paul Church of the deliverance. It's a very visible vacant property at the Gateway to Windsor on Route 159.

[2:50:15] It's a brick service station that was built in 1955. The property does have the potential for adaptive reuse or redevelopment.

[2:50:26] It's important to note that being included on this list, just states that the community

[2:50:31] feels that these are important properties for reuse or redevelopment.

[2:50:37] It does not automatically accrue any specific financial benefit to the properties.

[2:50:46] They would have to pursue other programs that we have on the books like Tax Increment

[2:50:54] financing, we could assist them on the zoning aspects of these properties, but it's one

[2:51:00] be clear that this is just an indicator that these are very important properties, and could

[2:51:06] potentially open the properties up for incentives or other assistance.

[2:51:13] With that, I'll take any questions.

[2:51:15] Thank you so much, Patrick.

[2:51:16] Come to those questions.

[2:51:21] Hearing none, it looks like we're ready for the vote.

[2:51:27] Yes, Madam Mayor.

[2:51:29] Thank you.

[2:51:30] I have a quick question.

[2:51:32] Patrick, you said there was a possible interest

[2:51:35] or interest on the redevelopment of the Windsor Fellow.

[2:51:38] You have someone that's possibly interested in that space.

[2:51:41] We're going to misunderstand you.

[2:51:43] So Windsor Federal has been approached by different folks about the potential

[2:51:49] acquisition of that property.

[2:51:50] There's been no applications, no site plans, nothing presented to the town.

[2:51:55] We just know that there is some interest in the property.

[2:51:58] And you're vetting these, of course, just for the public.

[2:52:01] You vet them. You talk to them, you.

[2:52:03] Absolutely. When the prospect is ready to go, we would be certainly vetting them.

[2:52:09] We have our development team process that goes through all the aspects of any kind of redevelopment.

[2:52:16] Thank you.

[2:52:18] Thank you.

[2:52:19] So, for ready for the vote, all in favour?

[2:52:22] Aye.

[2:52:22] All.

[2:52:23] Thank you here in no opposition or abstentions.

[2:52:25] That pass is 9000.

[2:52:28] Thank you so much, Patrick.

[2:52:30] All right.

[2:52:31] Item 12-H.

[2:52:32] I move to approve the storefront activation program guidelines as presented and the program to be funded utilizing

[2:52:38] Fiscal Year 2027 Town Center Tax Incomment Funds.

[2:52:42] Second.

[2:52:43] Thank you, Counselor.

[2:52:44] Thank you, Madam Mayor. As the council will recall, Town Council set out as, actually over

[2:52:54] the last couple of years, a priority to look at how the town can facilitate the occupancy

[2:53:04] of first floor commercial space here in Town Center. Council had made that a goal for my

[2:53:12] performance this past year, and so town staff, particularly led by Patrick, have been looking

[2:53:21] at a number of ways in evaluating a number of ways to achieve that goal.

[2:53:28] So Patrick, if you could walk through the proposed policy for the SOFORN activation program,

[2:53:36] Again, this has been prepared with input and reviewed by the Economic Development Commission.

[2:53:46] Thank you, Peter.

[2:53:49] The program that we are proposing this evening is intended to address a key barrier identified by property owners and prospective tenants.

[2:53:57] It's the upfront cost of tenant improvements, particularly for restaurant retail and experiential

[2:54:04] uses that are critical to downtown vitality.

[2:54:08] The program is structured as a reimbursement based incentive, providing up to 50% of eligible

[2:54:15] project costs.

[2:54:16] With maximum awards of $50,000 for standard storefront fitouts, and $75,000 for projects requiring enhanced

[2:54:25] infrastructure, code, readiness, improvements. Those are maximums. So, an application could be for less than that,

[2:54:33] but the incentive would be only for 50% of the project costs. Funding for the program would be source from the Windsor Center,

[2:54:42] tax increment financing district, which was specifically established to reinvest tax growth, generated within the district back into the district.

[2:54:53] Building improvements such as this work contemplated in the town center district master plan.

[2:55:00] When the tiff district was created. What's being proposed is an allocation of 389,600 dollars, which would include

[2:55:10] both a reinvestment in the commercial facade program as well as this new storefront activation program.

[2:55:18] We are able to propose this program at this particular time because of recent tax assessed value

[2:55:25] increases, generating tip revenue from both field greens, founder square, the renovation of the

[2:55:32] historic red brick, Windsor Federal Bank Building at 270, Broad Street, as well as to renovations

[2:55:41] to 2016 Broad Street that houses tool sea and a few apartments on the top floor. Under

[2:55:47] the program, eligible spaces must be currently vacant or demonstrably underutilized entrance

[2:55:53] positioning to a new public facing use that contributes to increase pedestrian activity and

[2:55:59] downtown vitality. It can be building owners or prospective tenants can apply for the

[2:56:05] matching funds for interior build out building system upgrades and home compliance work necessary

[2:56:12] to bring the vacant or underutilized space into productive use. We're focused on businesses that

[2:56:18] generate regular customer visits and visible storefront activity, including restaurants,

[2:56:24] bakery, specialty food, shop, specialty retail, personal services, and arts and experiential

[2:56:31] uses. The applicant has to obtain all required permits for the work and we would only reimburse

[2:56:39] once they've completed the eligible work and had the verification of the work before payment.

[2:56:45] We would be asking for a minimum occupancy requirement of two years.

[2:56:52] We would have the Clawback provision, a pro-rated repayment provision in the event of early vacancy

[2:56:57] or non-compliance with the program guidelines.

[2:57:01] We would seek a execution of a mortgage for a building owner applicant or a tenant applicant

[2:57:09] that requires advanced infrastructure.

[2:57:11] So more significant electric or other sort of utility improvements that would stay with the property.

[2:57:20] We'd be asking for a mortgage, there was a standard tenant fit out, we'd be looking for a promissory,

[2:57:27] no or other security interest.

[2:57:29] So from a financial policy perspective, the program is designed to leverage private investment

[2:57:36] in a minimum 1 to 1 ratio, while increasing the commercial occupancy, supporting small business growth.

[2:57:45] We've had some significant recent growth, and we want to continue that momentum.

[2:57:50] And enhancing the long-term tax base within the Windsor Center tip district.

[2:57:56] As the town manager mentioned, the EDC and the TIF advisory committee did review the draft program guidelines and our supportive of this effort.

[2:58:05] and with that I'll take any questions.

[2:58:07] Thank you so much, Patrick.

[2:58:10] May I make a motion matter?

[2:58:13] I would like to take a listen to September 8.

[2:58:19] Okay, and so you made the motion.

[2:58:22] It's been a second, but we sort of have an amendment?

[2:58:25] Probably.

[2:58:25] Yeah, because that's on like you need to ask for amendment

[2:58:30] to the main motion that we are currently.

[2:58:36] I believe you can make a motion to amend or you can request to table.

[2:58:40] You request to table. I'm request to table, there's motion.

[2:58:50] It's a request here.

[2:58:52] It's a request.

[2:58:52] Could you?

[2:58:55] Yeah.

[2:58:55] So, no.

[2:58:55] Because that's what I love.

[2:58:56] It's the same thing that we are getting.

[2:58:58] You can refuse.

[2:58:59] Yeah.

[2:59:00] Because we already made the motion.

[2:59:02] There's a second.

[2:59:04] We've heard from Mr. I mean, man, and we're now getting ready for a discussion.

[2:59:09] Madam Mayor, if I may, I just ask a question for that request.

[2:59:13] Could you share a little bit more about the reasoning to table this for September 8th?

[2:59:16] Yes.

[2:59:17] I don't believe the taxpayers should be partly responsible for funding private business in town.

[2:59:26] Even with the way he's laid it out, I feel that it's still up to the contract or to the owner of the building to pay for his own upgrades.

[2:59:40] I mean, and also, to me, it also tends to tie the project.

[2:59:43] You know, if you're going to say,

[2:59:47] fund a,

[2:59:50] you know, a male voice.

[2:59:52] Say, and she's a small business.

[2:59:54] Then I could perhaps see where the town might like to help her out.

[2:59:58] But some of the other business doesn't sound such.

[3:00:00] As an example is the train station, you know what I'm talking about, and what train wreck, or the wreck to our economy.

[3:00:09] A train wreck, I don't feel that the town should be responsible paying taxes to our taxpayer money to help support the renovation of that particular building.

[3:00:20] Can I just interrupt for a minute? No, I just want to ask a point of clarity, because my understanding of a table, a motion to table is not to kill a motion.

[3:00:29] And that's what I think your argument, your reasoning, is that you, to me, sounds like you're trying to kill the motion.

[3:00:37] So I don't, I just want to put, make that clear because if you're asking to table a motion for a later date,

[3:00:44] it should be for consideration for whatever reason, but you're actually describing why you're against the motion.

[3:00:50] So to me, that's to kill the motion, and it's not to table the motion, which is not appropriate use of tabling motion.

[3:00:57] So I just want to put that out there if you want to follow the Robert's rule right.

[3:01:03] So

[3:01:05] I might be wrong.

[3:01:08] I believe you're not wrong.

[3:01:11] You're not wrong.

[3:01:11] You are not wrong.

[3:01:12] So, council to rent.

[3:01:15] Thank you for expressing.

[3:01:16] That's what I was hoping that we could get to when we had the main motion.

[3:01:20] It's just to have a conversation about this.

[3:01:27] Okay.

[3:01:28] day and with additional understanding of what all this entails.

[3:01:34] What is the dishonor saying you're looking for?

[3:01:38] Well, for one, how do you divide up which who gets what?

[3:01:42] So, as I say, the mills could get, you know,

[3:01:44] mill, small business, maybe...

[3:01:46] So, what happens?

[3:01:47] So, what happens?

[3:01:48] So, I think what's being laid out here and sometimes you have to say the quiet things out

[3:01:53] because in your description of a entity here in town, right, that's one parcel that's one business.

[3:02:04] That's one example. Correct. I'm going somewhere with this.

[3:02:07] But what Mr. Man just explained that came through our economic development team and with the TIFF,

[3:02:17] I'm always using another example which I think we're off familiar with. Think about the little paddy shop, right?

[3:02:21] A little patty shop was able to do some different things that is a public benefit.

[3:02:27] Isn't that what you have here in this example that you've laid out that was in our backup

[3:02:32] documents, Mr. McMahon, if I want to go back and read it.

[3:02:39] That eligible uses that are public facing and expected to generate regular customer visits

[3:02:45] invisible snore front activity, right, and it lays out what it can be.

[3:02:49] So, I'm just trying to figure out is the concern of a particular entity, or are we not

[3:02:59] then saying we don't want these types of activities in our town center.

[3:03:05] So, I'm just trying to put that out there for everybody for meaningful discussion, because

[3:03:10] I think sometimes you do have to say the quiet thing out loud to help everybody understand.

[3:03:14] And we see the vibrancy that's coming into our town.

[3:03:17] There are people that might want to utilize a storefront.

[3:03:22] And I think this would be something that would assist that would be public facing and would

[3:03:27] also cause that vibrancy that we're looking to see.

[3:03:31] And if I'm incorrect, I'm always willing to apologize.

[3:03:34] Madam Mayor, just as a point of order,

[3:03:40] a motion to table.

[3:03:42] does require the second. It's not debatable. So there does need to be a vote.

[3:03:47] Can't be amended

[3:03:50] I think we're still in discussion right of the media. You don't have to discuss it. He didn't have to respond to it

[3:03:55] But he did so you're right we could have just voted on it all right. Well, let's do that as a point of order

[3:04:00] There's a different to an emotion of table an emotion of postpone right so if he's making emotion a table

[3:04:04] That's a different thing than emotion the postpone to a date if you want to revise the motion and make the motion close to a certain

[3:04:12] to a reason our motion is correct.

[3:04:14] Yeah, since we want to go up and see a race.

[3:04:17] So if we're going to make a motion with that right,

[3:04:19] the table is laying out the table.

[3:04:20] It's very different than who's putting it to a certain time date.

[3:04:23] Well, you can be able to date.

[3:04:24] So here's what we're going to do today.

[3:04:26] Here's what we're going to do.

[3:04:27] You'll come back.

[3:04:28] It's all in favor of tabling this motion.

[3:04:34] Are you asking?

[3:04:36] We're voting.

[3:04:36] I don't think you vote on the table.

[3:04:38] He just said that he needs a vote.

[3:04:40] All right.

[3:04:41] All in favor of tabling the motion?

[3:04:43] All right.

[3:04:44] All right.

[3:04:44] No, all right, and next, I'm going to ask for a roll call, all in favor of table

[3:04:50] promotion, considerate, Council of Healthy, Council of Elevalt, Council of Black

[3:04:56] often, thank you, all.

[3:05:01] Opposed to table in the motion, Councillor Armstrong. Opposed. Councillor King. No. Councillor Noine. No. Deputy Mayor. No.

[3:05:12] Nishet Blackberg. No. I'm sorry?

[3:05:16] I said it's a strange way to ask the questions.

[3:05:19] Well, no. I wanted to make sure that I'm hearing everybody.

[3:05:22] Okay. I don't mind a roll call vote. It's just that the manner of the questioning was.

[3:05:27] that I call your name?

[3:05:28] Interesting.

[3:05:29] I call each council by name that was interesting?

[3:05:32] No.

[3:05:32] All right.

[3:05:34] So we're back to the motion in the floor.

[3:05:36] Thank you so much.

[3:05:36] This came through finance.

[3:05:37] I'd love to shed some light on this.

[3:05:39] We had a lot of discussion starting back in June.

[3:05:42] Our June finance meeting had a lot of questions for the

[3:05:47] time manager and for the economic development staff as well as

[3:05:50] some information we wouldn't have liked from the economic development commission.

[3:05:53] And we came back to it last week to discuss this.

[3:05:57] This is something that was brought forward with a three-zero vote.

[3:06:00] Councillor Elevalle was very much more supportive of this, so that I probably was at the

[3:06:03] get going June and continue to push this forward through the vote.

[3:06:08] There, I don't know if Councillor Elevalle has read through it.

[3:06:11] I'm so clear on what the outstanding questions are that we need answered.

[3:06:14] I'd love to hear more about that since the staff is here to answer them.

[3:06:17] I thought that the outline that was put together by the staff and then reviewed by the economic

[3:06:23] development commission around the program guidelines was very thorough. I appreciate you spending

[3:06:29] the time to go through it with us at the Finance Committee meeting. It covered a couple of things

[3:06:33] that we've heard coming up in the town and surrounding towns when it comes to programs like this.

[3:06:39] One concerns around, hey, if we give businesses money to come into town, what happens if they leave six

[3:06:44] months after, we have a two-year time limit that says, if you do not stay for at least two years

[3:06:51] after receiving this funding, then you have to pay it back and there are legal

[3:06:55] ramifications as well as potential leans on the building. So we spent a lot of

[3:07:00] time asking for information on that and covering those pieces. There's also a

[3:07:04] very thorough scoring and prioritization matrix that covers, I believe, seven

[3:07:10] different categories, and that's how we would consider different businesses.

[3:07:16] may it be, you know, the B may it be the train rack or others.

[3:07:21] And I want to step back and talk about what we're aiming to achieve with this program versus

[3:07:26] Madam Mayor, I really appreciate you calling out that.

[3:07:29] Is this about a single issue about who owns the property or is this really about vibrancy?

[3:07:35] The economic development commission has brought this forward because it is about vibrancy.

[3:07:38] The tiff improvement district was created.

[3:07:40] I actually wasn't even on the council.

[3:07:41] I got to serve on the economic development commission when we created the tiff.

[3:07:45] was to bring that vibrancy to encourage more business coming into town center.

[3:07:50] We today have more active business in town center than we did before the tiff district was established.

[3:07:55] I can say that because that's when I moved into town and a lot of those businesses weren't around.

[3:07:59] So what this is hoping to do is take a look at places like the train wreck which

[3:08:03] right now a lot of businesses let's say we want a restaurant in there. I don't know any

[3:08:08] restaurants that's going to move in instead of a full kitchen without an HFAC system in there

[3:08:13] And that is not cheap.

[3:08:14] Sure, the landlord could do it.

[3:08:17] But why turn away businesses that want to come in

[3:08:19] and want to figure out how to do it?

[3:08:21] Not saying that that landlord would even

[3:08:22] want to participate in this program.

[3:08:24] But I think that we're being very specific.

[3:08:31] That single landlord does not own all of the businesses

[3:08:34] that this could potentially support.

[3:08:36] And I do think we need to look at where we can bring in more

[3:08:41] We have a thorough process. We have the right requirements.

[3:08:44] This has been reviewed by many different governing bodies.

[3:08:48] Starting from the, obviously, the town staff at the Economic Development Commission,

[3:08:52] the Finance Committee spent two meetings on this.

[3:08:55] It was fully approved by all three members of the Finance Committee.

[3:08:58] I'm surprised that Councillor Elevalle wants to table this because we have plenty of time to ask a lot of questions.

[3:09:03] And I still don't know what the questions are.

[3:09:05] So it feels like we're kind of just kicking things around

[3:09:08] without knowing what are the outstanding questions on this.

[3:09:11] The last thing I want to clarify is,

[3:09:13] I understand that there's concerns

[3:09:14] around how we're spending money as a town.

[3:09:17] This specific program is coming from, again,

[3:09:19] our tax increment financing zone.

[3:09:22] It is money that is set aside that can only be used for certain things.

[3:09:26] It cannot be used for pay-to-play sports.

[3:09:28] It can only go into that district.

[3:09:29] It can go into business improvements, infrastructure improvements.

[3:09:32] All of that information is available online

[3:09:34] as to how it can be used.

[3:09:36] We've discussed it thoroughly at finance committee meetings as a refresher and if folks have other ideas on how we can use this again

[3:09:42] I welcome you over and over please come to finance committee meetings we have public info sessions

[3:09:47] We have lengthy agendas that we've already said that we'd like to cover but if there are other ideas we're here and open to it

[3:09:54] But given all of those pieces I believe that this will give us an opportunity to try to bring in

[3:10:00] New business, new vibrancy. And if it's not successful, it doesn't meet this criteria. We don't do it. Thank you for the time.

[3:10:06] And thank you, Councillor Naim. And I do want to say, I know that Councillor Elabel shared that, you know, he has heard from people in our conversation today, and we did receive a letter.

[3:10:21] And I think that's important to always lift up that the concern, private fund is that a private investment

[3:10:29] and what I would share is that what's laid out here in our supporting documents

[3:10:34] I think will be really beneficial for everyone in town to be able to see that we are not looking for

[3:10:41] one particular piece. We're trying to make sure that it is going to public facing

[3:10:46] Is it going to bring customers? Is it going to bring foot traffic like that's the any so it's not about any one-private entity and what they own

[3:10:56] But really trying to ensure that whatever

[3:11:00] Entities receive the funding ensuring there's going to be public facing like a restaurant specialty retail use. So I'm thank you for that consular

[3:11:10] Council if I may

[3:11:13] There are part of the reason for the

[3:11:19] agreeing to postpone it, table, whatever, is there is a lot of questions that I've been

[3:11:27] asked about this, and by waiting a month, it gives those people not opportunity to take

[3:11:34] a look through the paperwork themselves and come back with their own comments, pro-con,

[3:11:38] whatever. What I'm getting is a lot of opposition, especially in the light of the recent board

[3:11:54] of that action. And I'm being asked very point-plankedly, why are we doing this if we're

[3:12:03] going to pay for play. So, the rationale to let postpone until the next meeting was to give

[3:12:10] people an opportunity to review the information more thoroughly and then bring it back

[3:12:18] up. That was the rationale. Simple.

[3:12:21] Yeah, that's the clarify question. Well, it comes on to the other command to

[3:12:28] you.

[3:12:28] Council Armstrong. Yeah. Thank you, Madam Mayor. My, my, my, my thoughts. Did I just hear council elements say something about the board and add something to do with this repeat that council Armstrong did council element just say something about the board of and has something to do with this.

[3:12:46] or he was stating that he's received questions

[3:12:51] that why would we be doing this and we just went to pay

[3:12:57] to play sports and Councilor Naim, I don't know if you were going

[3:13:02] to respond to that or Councilor King.

[3:13:03] But was that the only part of your question Council Armstrong?

[3:13:06] Yeah, now I just wanted an understanding of that.

[3:13:10] My question was I think I read somewhere where

[3:13:12] you're going to be reimbursement based on incentives.

[3:13:15] It

[3:13:18] is a reimbursement mechanism, so the property owner, the tenant, would provide the

[3:13:29] estimates to demonstrate the scope.

[3:13:32] We would enter into a grant agreement that outlines the scope and what is intended to

[3:13:39] be done.

[3:13:40] They would have to provide quotes for the work, the work gets completed, after they've gotten

[3:13:47] all the permits in place, and then we would only reimburse us, you know, the work was done

[3:13:54] to the standard that our building official would see fit that we make that reimbursement.

[3:14:03] Thank you. Thank you, Madam Mayor, that was my question.

[3:14:05] Thank you so much, Council Armstrong.

[3:14:07] Council and I thank you.

[3:14:11] Thank you, Madam Mayor and Council and I am.

[3:14:15] I just want to say that I've only lived in Windsor for it's going about to be 10 years actually, so congratulations to me.

[3:14:23] Revitalizing and bringing economic development to Windsor Center has been pretty much the number one and sometimes only thing that's ever been talked about every time that I've knocked a door or talked to the community.

[3:14:34] It's been the most important thing that folks have pointed out. The tip was intended to almost be a self-generating stream of revenue, right?

[3:14:42] As you invest in that center, it raises the value of the properties and adds more revenue to it to have more investment.

[3:14:49] We're using it exactly as it was intended.

[3:14:52] I understand that it's coming out of time where we're making other choices on our budgets and so it looks kind of confusing.

[3:15:00] But this is what the purpose of that set-up was. And I can't stress enough that I have a single conversation

[3:15:06] in five years of doing this and being involved. That isn't what are we doing for the town center.

[3:15:10] We haven't ran on that, et cetera, et cetera. So I think it's super important that programs like these.

[3:15:15] We know they work. We've seen them work in hardford. We've seen them work in other towns and cities.

[3:15:19] It's going to provide real vibrancy and we need to support it because that's what the money is earmarked for.

[3:15:25] So I just wanted to put that out.

[3:15:27] Thank you. Thank you, Combsking. Deputy Mayor. Thank you. So I just wanted to reiterate what you impacts.

[3:15:35] And so the tip, I believe the tip district is existed since 2022, is that correct?

[3:15:39] That's correct.

[3:15:40] And I think it passed in at 8000, though. I think one concert was missing from that vote when it passed.

[3:15:45] So it was a, it was an all unanimous vote when it passed.

[3:15:49] And I agree, the timing is not perfect. I know we had a budget fail.

[3:15:54] But my understanding is the money from the TIFC grant.

[3:15:59] The TIFC district cannot be reallocated to other districts or other budgets.

[3:16:02] Is that correct?

[3:16:03] That is the intention of the district, yes.

[3:16:07] So, and I think the rules are really well structured.

[3:16:10] Can you help me understand?

[3:16:11] So, let's say I'm a storefront, one of the people who apply for the grant,

[3:16:16] and let's say I applied to apply for multiple grants.

[3:16:21] Are you allowed to?

[3:16:22] I have like three storefronts in my life to play for multiple grants.

[3:16:27] Conceivably, yes, you would be vetted for the same exact information as to what the use is going to be,

[3:16:34] what's the public facings of meat, the eligibility criteria, so that is possible.

[3:16:40] And let's say I was unsuccessful in my first grant.

[3:16:43] Like let's say I didn't come to that come to fruition.

[3:16:45] Would it be likely that I would be eligible?

[3:16:47] What I would get a, that you would approve me for my second application.

[3:16:53] My anticipation is that if for whatever reason they fail to comply with the program guidelines,

[3:17:00] the likelihood of them complying in future application, it would be a mark against that scoring for sure.

[3:17:09] And how much control do you, as your office, do you have over the process?

[3:17:16] if the people are successful or not over the criteria and how they're performing.

[3:17:21] They will be completing a written application that goes through each of the eligibility criteria in the program guidelines.

[3:17:31] I would vet that, bring it to my fellow development team on occasion.

[3:17:35] potentially have outside expertise of absolutely necessary to to have had an application as well.

[3:17:44] But this lines that it meets the underlying criteria that's established by you, hopefully tonight.

[3:17:50] Then we would move forward with the application.

[3:17:54] And then I don't know if maybe it's you or Peter.

[3:17:56] Can you talk, can you just discuss why the Economic Development Commission recommended this program?

[3:18:05] What the discussion was like from them because I know that commission meets pretty regularly

[3:18:09] They're you know a group of folks who volunteer their time. They're committed to economic development and Windsor

[3:18:16] So perhaps you can talk about their reasoning for recommending the program

[3:18:20] So we we first were trying to react to

[3:18:24] Your request to the town manager to find ways to

[3:18:30] Fill the vacant spaces in the downtown and

[3:18:32] And so I did research on programs in other communities, provided an extensive list of what folks have tried to do and communities we owned in on this challenge of tenant improvements in the upfront costs that that comes into play on that we thought it would be something that we would want to you know bring forward to the economic development commission they agreed to that general approach.

[3:19:00] We looked at other items that were raised by the finance committee and others about a vacancy tax, which is not allowed in the state of Connecticut currently.

[3:19:14] So we don't have the authority to do that.

[3:19:17] So we were looking for other ways in which to try to move the needle.

[3:19:22] So, some of these more highly visible, highly invisible vacancies, overall our vacancy rate

[3:19:30] is very good, but we have these stubborn individual properties that are pretty visible

[3:19:37] and we're trying to find the way to help the private sector get it done.

[3:19:43] And again, iterate that it's leveraging, we're leveraging public funds with private sector

[3:19:50] funds.

[3:19:51] Thank you very much.

[3:19:54] In patch give you could if you can just restart it was a question that I had asked earlier.

[3:20:00] If you can just reset what the process is, if someone is granted to be a part of this program, the storefront activation, and they leave early.

[3:20:12] They come in and make the application. They meet the criteria. If they meet the criteria, obviously the town manager would have to be willing to sign off on my report that they've met the criteria.

[3:20:26] We would enter into a grant agreement that would just specify the amount and some of the aspects of the procedure in order to get to them to be reimbursed.

[3:20:38] And simultaneously, with that if they sign the agreement, part of that would be this execution of either a promissory note with the tenant prospect or a mortgage if it is related to the building owner.

[3:20:53] I mean, if I could just add to that economic development commission also may be asked to be able to review those.

[3:21:05] It's not an absolute, but in years past, as you know, with other incentives, we have asked the economic development commission to review.

[3:21:13] It's not necessarily stated directly in this policy, but that also was a possibility.

[3:21:18] We've done with the fixed assessment or tax debate that we've done with the public.

[3:21:27] Councillor Bacauca.

[3:21:29] Councillor Bacauca.

[3:21:30] Councillor Bacauca.

[3:21:31] So in regards to that, Peter, it's a good point.

[3:21:35] So you're seeing, and correct me, if I'm wrong, from hearing this incorrectly.

[3:21:39] So you're seeing economic development commission may possibly review those applications.

[3:21:43] If they do, they would have the deciding factor.

[3:21:45] They would be input, they do not, the economic development commission does not have authority.

[3:21:54] They are a advisory commission to both the town manager and to the town council.

[3:22:00] And so that if we have a, I envision that is if there is a very difficult use their expertise.

[3:22:06] We have bankers on that commission.

[3:22:08] We have economic development professionals on that commission as well as small business owners.

[3:22:12] And so we would use potentially use them for their expertise and input to help to make make to the decision, but again, that is not in absolute.

[3:22:23] It's a possibility.

[3:22:25] Thank you.

[3:22:25] And I was a really good public to know.

[3:22:27] So thank you so much.

[3:22:28] I appreciate that.

[3:22:28] Thank you.

[3:22:29] Thank you.

[3:22:30] I was just hoping that if this program does come up, we could publish something on our website, kind of clarifying some of the information about the program.

[3:23:11] And you know, that it is coming from the

[3:23:11] document, that is at that process.

[3:23:14] That budget does by policy, we go to the Economic Development Commission and the TIF advisory

[3:23:22] Commission and get their input.

[3:23:26] The council may choose not to allocate all of those funds to the TIF.

[3:23:35] I could envision in five years from now, we may be in a position where the infrastructure projects

[3:23:41] are in a position where we potentially could take a year or two off from those applications.

[3:23:49] Obviously as we do, we have contractual obligations with accredited enhancement agreements.

[3:23:54] And if we have more of those in the future, we have legal obligations.

[3:23:57] So we have to be mindful of that.

[3:23:59] But it's one of the clarifying that there's a process here in per of the town council 2022

[3:24:05] Tiff policy that lays that out in this this policy this propote budget was included in the FY27

[3:24:15] Budget process.

[3:24:20] I would also just add to that

[3:24:23] Mr. Susan that you if I recall puts our adding things in like first down funding for first town downtown and things like that.

[3:24:30] may incorrect. Correct. The appropriations that the town council approved as part of the budget was

[3:24:38] a contribution to the art center. Windsor art center, contribution to first down downtown.

[3:24:46] As a, if I may matter, may have backed up a little bit. So the tip policy states that 25% of

[3:24:56] the increment.

[3:25:00] That has been generated, goes automatically to the general fund.

[3:25:08] Two years ago now, when we did

[3:25:11] revaluation, the town manager had proposed that there would be an additional $125,000 that would

[3:25:19] be allocated to the general fund in recognition of property revaluation impact. So, the general fund for

[3:25:30] WI-27 is receiving approximately $320,000 from the TIF dollars, which is more, which is

[3:25:41] $125,000 more than what the baseline policy states.

[3:25:47] And so I just wanted to refresh everyone's mind.

[3:25:51] And so this past year, the town council in FY26, had approved approximately $200,000

[3:26:00] for paving in repaying work here in town center, which that work has been largely completed.

[3:26:11] Any other concern about?

[3:26:14] A question was decision that was brought to my attention, and we've discussed this earlier,

[3:26:18] is the 389,640 dollars.

[3:26:22] It is a rather specific number.

[3:26:26] So, have we received applications in light of this or is put to rationale for that rather unusual number?

[3:26:36] It is a little bit of unusual number.

[3:26:38] It's a, first of all, we have not received any applications.

[3:26:42] We have not solicited any applications because the town council is not approved the program guidelines.

[3:26:47] So, just to be clear on that, the, the rather odd number is a,

[3:26:52] It's really a calculation as a town council reduced the budget and adjusted the mill rate.

[3:27:02] Once the adopted budget was done, it generated a very specific number because that's how this increment is generated based upon that year's tax mill rate.

[3:27:15] And so when you mind us off that total the contributions to the general fund you take those as I mentioned the town center

[3:27:24] Soon the art center in the first end downtown appropriations. That's what leaves this 389

[3:27:30] thousand six hundred and forty dollars. Thank you

[3:27:35] I try to round it, but Mr. Bork our finance director said no you could

[3:27:40] All right, so if we're ready for the vocal council

[3:27:44] I guess this program I think has some very good intentions with it and I know Councillor

[3:27:52] King and others have said even in the shorter time that I've been here as well that

[3:27:56] people always point to the flaws of building, they always point to some of the empty buildings

[3:28:00] in town.

[3:28:01] I know Patrick will man, many times points to the same buildings and say they're not derelict

[3:28:05] their upcap, they're maintained in the property taxes are paid.

[3:28:08] So I think in many times who are we to say to anybody else you've got to be doing something

[3:28:12] better or different with your property, and I think that strikes at the heart of the old

[3:28:16] keylovers, and you wondered what Pfizer was, and I know just as so counter-basically

[3:28:21] had said in her descent in that ruling, which is a highly unpopular ruling, by the way, that

[3:28:26] at least private property vulnerable to be given over to wealthier private property. It's not

[3:28:33] really an apples to apples compare us in here, but I look at it as you're taking people

[3:28:38] who live in that district in other businesses.

[3:28:42] And I think the long term understanding

[3:28:44] and if I had originally been on the council

[3:28:46] and the tip was being presented.

[3:28:49] And I mean, I know I was sitting here listening to it,

[3:28:51] was that this was not going to be used for this type of thing.

[3:28:55] It's just like, eminent domain would have been used for,

[3:28:58] you're going to take, you're going to take somebody's private property

[3:29:00] to put in a hospital, you're going to do a school,

[3:29:02] you're going to do roadways, et cetera.

[3:29:05] So I really feel like tiff district money

[3:29:06] should be used for the infrastructure and if we want to entice businesses and we want to

[3:29:10] get redevelopment, we take that money and we try and do something maybe for infrastructure

[3:29:15] or we just try and fast track and string permitting, we do some of those other things.

[3:29:20] I think we've already with a tiff district, a tiff district, sequestered money into the

[3:29:25] district in some way, I know the intention is to use it in a district but it's money that

[3:29:31] benefited the the the the wider community. But what I see with this is I think what in in in

[3:29:38] Ms. Gravel's email that was read out and she said it quite quite nicely is that you're literally

[3:29:43] taking tax payer dollars and I don't care if there's a two-year time frame. But I mean I think about it

[3:29:49] if it was my property and you know I want to apply I can somehow increase the chances of being able to

[3:30:00] The look and something of my property in two years down the road, I can sell it for in a better way, and it was, you know, I'm basically cashing out at the taxpayer's expense.

[3:30:12] I understand what the intent of this decision isn't the way I would want to go about this. So for me, it's a philosophical disagreement, and I want to see the development. I'd rather not see open storefronts, but it's private property.

[3:30:26] It's up to the people if they want to, in part of owning a business, and being able to

[3:30:31] maintain that business, and being able to start a business is to be able to have the capital

[3:30:37] to be able to do it, to be able to take the risk and be willing and able to fail with it.

[3:30:43] It's not for the public to constantly and always want to bail somebody out or make it happen

[3:30:48] for them.

[3:30:49] Again, I believe in the private enterprise in that regard.

[3:30:52] So for me, I'm just gonna be a no-one this again. I can appreciate where this is going

[3:30:56] I just don't think this is the proper role in scope of

[3:31:00] Government in this country in a in particular at a local level

[3:31:07] Are we ready for the vote?

[3:31:09] Yes, we are. All right, all in favor?

[3:31:11] I have. All opposed?

[3:31:16] No. Any abstentions?

[3:31:20] So that pass is 5, 1, 3.

[3:31:28] Thank you.

[3:31:28] I don't remember 13 resignations and appointments.

[3:31:31] All right.

[3:31:32] Thank you, Councillor Cain.

[3:31:33] I don't remember 14 minutes of proceeding meetings.

[3:31:36] I moved to approve the minutes of July 6, 2026 special town council meeting.

[3:31:42] And the minutes of the July 6, 2026 regular town council meeting.

[3:31:46] Second, thank you, council.

[3:31:47] questions or comments, Councillors.

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[3:32:49] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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[3:33:24] State your name and address, and you'll be given three minutes to speak.

[3:33:42] First, late 74th and drive. Within two months, we'll reach lean date number four.

[3:33:49] In this five year revel cycle.

[3:33:52] About a year and a half ago, I'm talking to Josh Gaston, our town assessor about senior tax relief programs.

[3:34:02] I asked him where things stood right at that moment.

[3:34:07] He said, give me a minute.

[3:34:08] He ran through some calculations within five minutes.

[3:34:11] He had it.

[3:34:12] He said, I wouldn't make clear.

[3:34:14] I do not want to know that answer.

[3:34:16] Because there's too much time in between.

[3:34:19] But I wanted him to give that to the telemanager.

[3:34:25] Yeah, it is too early to talk about that.

[3:34:28] But I'm not sure if by October 1st, it's a little too late.

[3:34:34] Me, I'm a planner planner planner planner.

[3:34:36] Turn 70, between your July meeting and today,

[3:34:41] and my already planning, my QCDs and R&Ds,

[3:34:45] and then to retire at 56 that took years of planning.

[3:34:49] And if you start talking about what to do in the next Reval,

[3:34:53] you can plan, you can adjust, you can plan, or adjust.

[3:34:56] but there's one big difference between...

[3:35:00] The next reval coming up in the one prior. I don't think you're going to have any done jobs and building capacity ability. It just won't be there. There's not that much growth in the plan list. There's not that much left for you to expand spending and get it approved. You won't be able to build capacity, which means a two-year horizon, three-year horizon for people.

[3:35:30] planning is what you really should be doing.

[3:35:38] Thank you.

[3:35:42] All right.

[3:35:43] We'll bring public communications in positions.

[3:35:47] We do not have executive session this evening.

[3:35:50] So with that, I'll entertain a motion for adjournment.

[3:35:52] Motion to adjourn.

[3:35:54] On favor?

[3:35:54] There.

[3:35:55] Second.

[3:35:55] Thank you, God bless and God bless.

[3:35:57] Major before that.

[3:35:59] Further.

[3:39:02] Special meeting to order.

[3:39:05] The first order of business is called the communications and petitions, a five-limit time limit for

[3:39:12] discuss anything we love, or presenting to us that is not the matter of a public hearing tonight.

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[3:39:27] No one on line.

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[3:39:58] All right, so let's move on to...

[3:40:00] Comunications, meditions from members. Is anyone have anything?

[3:40:05] Okay, public hearings, we have one.

[3:40:08] Have you read the notice?

[3:40:09] Notice this here by given that this commission will hold public hearings during its hybrid virtual special meeting on February 24th,

[3:40:17] 2026 at 7 p.m. to hear and consider the following item.

[3:40:21] proposed update to the Plan of Conservation and Development Windsor 2035.

[3:40:28] Information on how to attend the meeting by former computer will be included in the meeting agenda, blah, blah, blah.

[3:40:35] Comments received ahead of the meeting will be read into the record.

[3:40:39] And this was published in the Heart for Current on February the 1920.

[3:40:44] Excuse me. On February 11th and February 18th, 2026.

[3:40:49] Thank you.

[3:40:52] So, it's open all the curing.

[3:40:56] You don't like to speak for against our plan of conservation and development.

[3:41:00] Proposed.

[3:41:02] I do have a brief presentation.

[3:41:04] Oh, you do?

[3:41:04] Yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't know.

[3:41:06] No worries.

[3:41:07] I'm used to going, you're going last.

[3:41:09] I just do want to confirm for the record.

[3:41:12] We do have a need of myths in attendance by Zoom tonight.

[3:41:16] And we also have alternate commissioner, Meg Harvey, and attendance as well, it looks like.

[3:41:23] We're here.

[3:41:26] Yep, I'm here too.

[3:41:42] Any resembling commission?

[3:41:43] The director's on the side of the ceiling.

[3:41:46] Now plan.

[3:41:47] With me out here is where you should take a seat.

[3:41:50] Normally I play jazz studio, but now it's just this, I'm Meg.

[3:41:54] So she served as our project manager for the life of this project.

[3:41:58] And so she's here with me tonight to answer any questions

[3:42:01] that might come off with hearing the public hearing.

[3:42:04] So give me one second, and I will cue that up.

[3:42:21] So I'll just kind of quickly go through some slides.

[3:42:24] I'm not going to go through the full breadth of the P.O.C.D.

[3:42:26] and touch on every topic or chapter, although if there's

[3:42:29] anyone from the public or the commission that wants to kind of

[3:42:32] focus in on a specific topic or chapter, we'd be happy

[3:42:35] to do so with you during the hearing.

[3:42:38] But I just kind of want to give a high level overview to sort

[3:42:40] of set the stage for the plan.

[3:42:43] So, the purpose of the plan is to provide the community with a long range planning guidance,

[3:42:49] also meeting our statutory requirements in a line with regional and state planning goals.

[3:42:55] State law requires municipalities to update their POCD every 10 years in order to reign eligible for certain discretionary funding.

[3:43:04] It's important to emphasize that the POCD is not a regulatory document.

[3:43:08] This is a policy document, it helps to inform land use and zoning decisions, but it does not guarantee or approve any specific outcome.

[3:43:18] Instead, it establishes a community vision and a set of guiding principles that help frame future decisions related to zoning, zoning amendments and capital planning.

[3:43:28] Ultimately, it helps ensure consistency as the town works towards its long-term goals, and it also serves as a snapshot of the community in time.

[3:43:37] Over the past year, the town has implemented a comprehensive

[3:43:41] public engagement effort.

[3:43:43] This included two public workshops, five topics, specific focus group meetings,

[3:43:48] interviews with key town departments and stakeholders,

[3:43:52] and an online survey that received more than 800 responses.

[3:43:56] The consultant worked closely with town staff and

[3:43:58] a P.O.C.D advisory committee, which included representatives from

[3:44:02] multiple boards and commissions to evaluate data and public input

[3:44:05] and to develop the draft chapters and recommendations.

[3:44:09] In total, there were 11 advisory committee meetings held

[3:44:13] as part of this process.

[3:44:19] And while we're getting into the POCD,

[3:44:22] I want to take a moment and kind of step back in time

[3:44:24] and look at our 2015 POCD and touch upon some of the highlights

[3:44:29] and things that have been implemented since that document

[3:44:32] was adopted.

[3:44:35] So since the adoption of the 2015 POCD,

[3:44:37] The town has made notable progress in several areas.

[3:44:40] This includes a significant amount of housing development, including single-family homes, town

[3:44:45] homes, apartments, as well as two mixed-use developments currently underway in Windsor Center.

[3:44:52] During this period, the town also preserved a substantial amount of farmland and open space,

[3:44:58] and achieved certification as a system.

[3:45:00] Unable seat, bronze, community, and invested in major upgrades to parks, playgrounds and town facilities.

[3:45:07] So one of the reasons I want to pull this up is because none of these specific things were mentioned in the 2015 POCD.

[3:45:14] They were given as generalities or broad goals that we were looking to achieve.

[3:45:20] So when projects came up or opportunities for farmland preservation, our open space preservation came up,

[3:45:27] You know, we were able to point to the P.O.C.D. and find that it aligned with those goals in that 2015 P.O.C.D. that, you know,

[3:45:33] potentially opened us up to some possible funding sources or major, you know, decision-esque commissioners, relatively easy.

[3:45:43] So that's the purpose of this document as to kind of help inform and accomplish some of these things that we have to list it there.

[3:45:53] So I kind of, I was asking this question today, what's changed since 2015?

[3:45:58] And I don't want to recap a historical event in detail, but, you know, over the past several

[3:46:02] years, we've experienced circumstances that cause many of us to rethink priorities as

[3:46:07] individuals, families, and communities.

[3:46:11] And a question worth considering as we look back on this 2015 plan is whether our priorities

[3:46:15] as a community have changed and I'm going to touch on that a little bit in the next slide

[3:46:20] as I kind of go through some of the key takeaways from this new plan that we have.

[3:46:27] So several consistent themes emerged through public input.

[3:46:31] Residents expressed a strong sense of community and value

[3:46:34] Windsor's diversity, small town character, and sense of belonging.

[3:46:39] There was also a strong emphasis on preservation and sustainability,

[3:46:44] particularly protecting farmland, open space, and natural resources.

[3:46:50] Many residents spoke about the importance of enhancing Windsor Center,

[3:46:54] including filling bacon seeds and supporting small businesses and creating a more vibrant downtown.

[3:47:01] Housing was another major theme with a clear desire for more affordable, senior, friendly, and diverse housing options to meet changing demographics.

[3:47:11] Quality of life remains a strength with Windsor's schools, history and cultural assets frequently noted, along with a desire for more youth programming and cultural events.

[3:47:22] And then finally, residents consistently raise the need for improved mobility and infrastructure,

[3:47:29] including safer pedestrian by connections, better transit access, and continue to invest in sustainable infrastructure.

[3:47:38] So I would just note that, you know, many of these goals and aspirations were also identified in the 2015 POCD,

[3:47:46] and they kind of reflect themes that the town has been actively working on over time.

[3:47:54] So, today's question a lot has changed, but some of our goals and priorities have remained the same.

[3:48:02] The plan is organized around a town wide vision that is supported by seven guiding principles.

[3:48:08] Those guiding principles inform the goals and strategies with each plan, or with each chapter of the plan.

[3:48:14] So, we have this kind of broad vision which gets broken down into goals, strategies, and then actions.

[3:48:20] And then to inform those kind of those goals and strategies we created kind of these guiding principles to help inform some of the specific strategies we have in there.

[3:48:32] So our division statement that we worked on with the Advisory Committee is Windsors committed to building a thriving inclusive community that blends its rich history with sustainable growth.

[3:48:43] is a vibrant town that supports local businesses, celebrates arts and culture, and

[3:48:48] fosters a strong sense of community.

[3:48:51] By preserving historic charm and bouncing economic growth with good environmental stewardship,

[3:48:56] Windsor will remain a welcoming place where residents of all ages can live, work, and thrive.

[3:49:04] And so from that vision statement, we kind of developed these guiding principles to help inform

[3:49:08] some of the specific goals and strategies that we have.

[3:49:12] I won't go through each principle in detail tonight, but I think it's ported to understand

[3:49:16] that each one of these is supported by additional narrative in intent.

[3:49:21] They're not meant to be broader abstract statements, but rather kind of a framework that

[3:49:25] helps us to connect to specific actions or to a larger community value.

[3:49:30] So as an example, the mobility and infrastructure guiding principle focuses on connecting people

[3:49:35] and places. Under that principle, the plan discusses expanding sidewalks, bike paths, trails

[3:49:43] and public transit in order to improve safety, accessibility and regional connectivity.

[3:49:49] So, beyond each one of these little guiding principles, there's a bit more text within

[3:49:53] the document that kind of helps inform a bit more. It's not just this one little abstract,

[3:49:58] one word statement or one sentence statement.

[3:50:01] Each guiding principle functions in this way, helping translate the broader values into actionable goals and strategies.

[3:50:11] And so then lastly, I just want to kind of give a chapter sample, nearly every chapter in the play and follows a similar structure.

[3:50:19] And using housing in as a example, the chapter begins with the baseline conditions, which includes the housing type, housing stock, affordability, kind of the baseline zoning.

[3:50:31] And then outlines initiatives that are already underway, such as the Affordable Housing Plan,

[3:50:36] which the Commission adopted in 2022, accessory dwelling units, and the role of Windsor Housing Authority.

[3:50:44] From there, it identifies kind of key issues and trends within the community.

[3:50:48] These are things that could have come up to the survey, could have come up through good planning practices,

[3:50:54] things that we see in the planning community that are being talked about right now.

[3:51:05] And then from there, and one of my favorite parts about the document is what we've heard for the community.

[3:51:12] So pulling out specific quotes that we're receiving survey or sort of some of our public engagement events.

[3:51:19] And this kind of summarizes what we've heard.

[3:51:22] And then it follows that with the goals and strategies so that you could take the two documents side by side and see how what we heard connects to some of the goals and strategies in there.

[3:51:37] So that's really all I have for presentation.

[3:51:40] I would like to take a moment to thank Rory and FHI,

[3:51:43] I may entertain Christian, Nicole, I'm sure there's few names

[3:51:48] up for getting this well, but I appreciate all the work

[3:51:51] that your team did over this past year and a half, really.

[3:51:55] And you're support with this document and our various meetings

[3:51:58] that we've attended.

[3:51:59] I also like to give a huge thank you to the P.O.C.B. Advisory Committee,

[3:52:03] the Planning and Zoning Commission, and Town Council as well.

[3:52:06] And then also, a big thank you to everyone who participated in surveys, workshops, or even just stopped at the booth to chat with us.

[3:52:14] And then also to Windsor staff and their leadership.

[3:52:17] So we'd be happy to take any questions, or if you'd like to delve in any specifics, we can do so at this time,

[3:52:22] but that's really all I have for presentation, or we can go into the public hearing.

[3:52:31] Any questions?

[3:52:35] Maybe you could explain what the next steps are of this plans adopted tonight.

[3:52:46] Next steps, that's a good question.

[3:52:48] So I mean, there's kind of our statutory requirements

[3:52:51] and that we have to publish and notice that the POCDs

[3:52:54] have been adopted and then there's a 15 day appeal

[3:52:58] period beyond that.

[3:53:01] Aside from that, you know, we've met every kind of statutory

[3:53:03] requirement in getting this to town council and Crog

[3:53:06] in a timely fashion.

[3:53:08] I think the big next step for us internally

[3:53:12] is how do we track these goals and present these things come up, how do we present this

[3:53:18] to the council or to the commission. I think figuring out a way to actively track the

[3:53:24] goals is probably the biggest mix.

[3:53:26] And doesn't it go to the legislature as well?

[3:53:30] OPM.

[3:53:31] The P.O.C.E.

[3:53:34] Yes, it does.

[3:53:35] Yeah, we have 60 days to send to them.

[3:53:40] So it's not formally adopted until the legislature

[3:53:44] is that correct or not?

[3:53:49] No, it's whatever the Pocity is adopted by you all.

[3:53:56] Okay, that's an option.

[3:53:58] I'm just going to copy.

[3:54:02] Well, I'd be thank you.

[3:54:03] You guys for all your work.

[3:54:05] I was on the advisory committee too, but let's face it.

[3:54:07] You guys did all the work.

[3:54:09] So you did a tremendous job.

[3:54:10] I thank you very much.

[3:54:13] I can jump into it and say that overall, I think that the PLCD advisory company did a great job of updating.

[3:54:20] I agree with most of the modifications, so when we get into the different shows, I'll explain what I mean differently.

[3:54:28] But I thank everybody, and I thank you for taking over again tonight.

[3:54:34] Thank you, Madam Chair.

[3:54:39] Should we jump into the public hearing?

[3:54:45] So if anyone from the public would like to address my own

[3:54:50] conservation development, any questions, what how do you please come up

[3:54:54] to state your name and address.

[3:55:03] And we'd like to speak. Is no one online? No, nobody online? No.

[3:55:11] Sir.

[3:55:14] I'm bomb is theirs, I've been on civilian. This is great that we're doing this for the year 2035.

[3:55:21] I don't know the specifics if it concerns the middle of a corridor, and we are currently already planning for the budget year 2027.

[3:55:31] And we want to do six erosion remediation sites on the former

[3:55:38] Millbrook, of course.

[3:55:42] And there's also budgeting for two bridge replacements there.

[3:55:47] Now, it's already going out the bid to replace bridges along Deckerbrook,

[3:55:52] and Walls Park in those areas.

[3:55:55] But the bridges plan for Millbrook, the public, you know,

[3:56:00] Of course, I haven't gone out the bid yet, and there is this remediation of the sites for erosion control along the stream bank.

[3:56:09] And Mr. Choke, you know, our account engineer is spearheading that.

[3:56:16] I propose, and you know, maybe you can be added in as a separate line item.

[3:56:21] It's not going to go in as part of the environmental remediation plan.

[3:56:24] And maybe it's going to wait to 2040, but we've got those small dams relating to the former pump house for the golf course that impede the natural flow of milkbrook.

[3:56:38] Now let's think about milkbrook. Milkbrook is the only stream downstream of the rainbow dam.

[3:56:46] that flows into the fronken river. Here we are, we're Windsor, first down, and the first

[3:56:54] stream into the fronken, which is why Windsor gas settled.

[3:57:03] So I'd like to somehow get the

[3:57:06] removal of those small dams near the old pump house, what used to serve the golf course,

[3:57:12] in the Windsor Public Area now, to be remediated, and to be included in the 2027 budget plan.

[3:57:21] And, you know, if has weight to 2040, let's do it.

[3:57:25] And it shouldn't cost that much either.

[3:57:28] The whole thing is like $7800,000 budget for the remediation sites.

[3:57:34] And that's including the markup for contingencies.

[3:57:37] And if we look at the economics, there's like 70,000 per area that's going to get the control for the erosion of one millbrook in the Gulf Coast area.

[3:57:54] So to remove the dam is probably going to be only the same amount of cost.

[3:57:59] All the vehicles are going to be bringing the equipment down, bringing the rip wrap and the natural plantings to restore the parts of the millbroke stream that they want to remediate to stop the erosion.

[3:58:14] And on the way back out, they can bring the dam the particles that have been removed.

[3:58:20] And they're going to have all the engineering skills.

[3:58:25] And they're going to have the way to make the coffer dams.

[3:58:28] They're going to manually place sandbags.

[3:58:31] And with the rubber tarp, you're going to cut the broken half.

[3:58:34] They're going to do the work to repair where they need to control the erosion.

[3:58:39] All hand placed.

[3:58:41] It's right there in Bobbrook.

[3:58:43] So add that to the plan.

[3:58:44] Whether it's 2035, whether it's 2040, whether it's for 2027.

[3:58:49] Thank you.

[3:58:52] Thank you.

[3:58:54] Anyone else?

[3:59:03] All right.

[3:59:03] Yes, we have a letter.

[3:59:05] This is an email from Owen Deutsch.

[3:59:09] It was dated November 1.

[3:59:14] Were those?

[3:59:14] Were those for the council meeting?

[3:59:18] It's the one to ask.

[3:59:19] Connie, Mr. Stewart, this one came in after the council meeting.

[3:59:23] Okay.

[3:59:23] goal 7, mobility, and infrastructure, strategy A, I'd like to request an additional I or

[3:59:32] three or a new item that's new sidewalks we provided as feasible when road improvements

[3:59:39] are undertaken or new sub-developments or large-scale developments are undertaken.

[3:59:55] I believe that's also part of our point right now.

[4:00:01] I go ahead and thought it was to, or at least in, similar building regulations.

[4:00:07] Yeah, that's better.

[4:00:08] Yeah, it's baked into our zoning regulations that any new developments are required to put side walls and long-foot front inches of any town road.

[4:00:16] And then generally when we're doing public improvements or, you know, we're thinking of Baker Hollow that they recently connected, they put inside boxes that well.

[4:00:25] So,

[4:00:35] no one else,

[4:00:40] going twice.

[4:00:43] Is this the ceiling here in the nag?

[4:00:46] Just to comment on Mr. Miser as a comment, the POCD doesn't get in the specifics of a construction

[4:00:55] project.

[4:00:55] I mean, I think some of the things that you were pointing out there could be captured under

[4:01:00] a couple of different strategies for the open space natural resources, specifically fund and

[4:01:08] the field, priority drainage, and covert upgrades,

[4:01:11] monitor sensor areas, and force appeals.

[4:01:14] Unfortunately, the commission doesn't have any authority

[4:01:18] to really get involved with an act of construction

[4:01:21] project this time.

[4:01:23] I encourage you to continue communications with the town

[4:01:26] engineer and town council, but I think we've captured it

[4:01:31] in a broad sense to where we could make those improvements

[4:01:33] and make a case in argument for those improvements,

[4:01:36] but it doesn't get into the specifics of that, but thank you for your comments.

[4:01:41] It would have to go into the CIP, wouldn't it?

[4:01:43] Right. That's what I was about to say, too.

[4:01:47] You know, CIP that's capital improvement plan.

[4:01:49] It's a six year look out of projects.

[4:01:51] The council wants to spend money on it.

[4:01:53] Wait, I'm accordingly.

[4:02:02] We have a letter from CROG.

[4:02:04] Data February 20, 2020.

[4:02:07] Six report update to PLCD 2025-3,

[4:02:11] 3, a comprehensive update to the Municipal POCD commissioners.

[4:02:18] We see the acknowledged of the above mentioned referral.

[4:02:21] Notice of this proposal was transmitted to the regional planning

[4:02:24] and development division of the capital region,

[4:02:27] the capital region council of governments under the

[4:02:30] Vision of Section 8-3B, or the Connecticut General statute

[4:02:34] that's amended.

[4:02:36] The staff of the regional planning commission of the

[4:02:38] capital region council governments has reviewed this zoning referral and finds no conflict with regional plans or policies or the concerns of neighboring towns.

[4:02:48] Staff commend municipality for the number of relevant updates within the plan of conservation and development that align with the regional plan of conservation and development.

[4:03:00] One great example of alignment is the strategy to encourage mixed use and innovative housing models directly.

[4:03:07] aligns with the regional goal to diversify the region's housing stock.

[4:03:14] The local plans update further aligns with the region regional plan in improving bicycle

[4:03:20] and pedestrian safety through the streetscape improvements, prioritizing in-field development

[4:03:27] to better take advantage of underutilized spaces that are already developed and pursuing

[4:03:37] utilized parking has in the region.

[4:03:40] This plan also aligns with the regional natural hazard mitigation plan and HMP.

[4:03:48] As actions outlined in the update directly, joint to partying with CROG to continue

[4:03:55] efforts related to the NHMP.

[4:03:59] This plan does an incredible job at balancing the natural growth when their experiences

[4:04:05] this while protecting and preserving existing natural resources.

[4:04:10] One recommendation of staff would be to review some of the highlighted density residential

[4:04:15] zones and examine the potential, potential to allow duplexes and even triplexes of course

[4:04:23] with appropriate design guidelines to preserve the existing identity of those zones.

[4:04:29] developments such as dueplexes often seamlessly blended into the streetscape of a majority single

[4:04:37] family neighborhoods with well written design standards in place and offer no threat

[4:04:42] to affordable options for individuals looking to live in a more exclusively residential

[4:04:48] zones.

[4:04:49] Staff applause the municipality in its extensive efforts to update the Windsor Plan of Conservation

[4:04:55] and development.

[4:04:57] Crab looks forward to working with the municipality.

[4:05:00] To accomplish the actions outlined across both the local and the regional plan, public hearing has been scheduled for February 24, 2026.

[4:05:10] And in accordance with our procedure, this letter constitutes final crowd action on this referral and question should be referred to Jacob Nolton and this was distributed to the planners.

[4:05:20] in Windsor, Locksy, Scramby, East Windsor, Bloomfield, Hartford, and South Windsor.

[4:05:26] And it's signed Jennifer Bartis early, Chairman of the Regional Planning Commission.

[4:05:30] William Rice, Vice Chairman, Regional Planning Commission, and Jay Kepnoughton.

[4:05:35] Community Development Plan.

[4:05:38] Thank you.

[4:05:44] I'm closing public hearing.

[4:05:46] And, you have a motion?

[4:05:48] I moved that B.

[4:05:50] Madam, excuse me, I'm sorry.

[4:05:51] Madam Chair, you indicated that there were some things that's right. You had some comments.

[4:05:58] I was just referring to the French chief that you presented with the changes.

[4:06:07] I think those are all good.

[4:06:09] And the only thing I'm concerned about is when we're going to do fluxes,

[4:06:12] the traffic flexors or wherever is that parking.

[4:06:16] Because I'm noticing in town now that we have a number of homes

[4:06:23] that they're parking on the front lawn.

[4:06:26] In fact, in one street, they filed the front lawn

[4:06:30] so the sixth vehicle could park on that.

[4:06:34] If we're going to be going into that, we're

[4:06:36] going to have to make sure that our regulations

[4:06:38] like there has to be parking enough parking.

[4:06:43] That's one of the big things that I was noticing.

[4:06:47] Yes, ma'am, do we know that? Thank you.

[4:06:54] You may be awesome either.

[4:06:56] No, because I think all of the changes that were on there, I don't see.

[4:07:00] I think everything you've taken out certain little words to make sense.

[4:07:05] And you've added, you know, left in what I think should be left.

[4:07:07] And I think you did a great job.

[4:07:12] Okay, let's just see you in the last one.

[4:07:17] Now, thank you.

[4:07:18] Thank you, Rory.

[4:07:19] Thank you.

[4:07:20] Everybody here tonight.

[4:07:21] Thank you.

[4:07:22] Thank you.

[4:07:24] I moved that the 2025 to 2035 proposed plan of conservation and development be adopted by this commission.

[4:07:38] Second motion in a second on favorite

[4:07:41] Hi

[4:07:42] Hi

[4:07:43] Close to nine

[4:07:44] She passes five out

[4:07:47] Move to adjourn

[4:07:48] Second

[4:07:50] Yeah, we don't

[4:07:52] That was completed, so yes

[4:07:54] I'm sure

[4:07:54] Second

[4:07:56] Okay

[4:07:57] Second

[4:07:58] Everyone second

[4:07:59] Everyone second

[4:08:00] Yeah

[4:08:02] Okay, I'll favor

[4:08:03] Hi

[4:08:04] Close

[4:08:05] We should drive everybody.

[4:08:08] Good night.

[4:08:09] Class 50.

[4:08:10] Good night.

[4:08:11] Good night.

[4:09:03] Out safety.

[4:09:05] Safety at school.

[4:09:09] You know what safety means.

[4:09:12] With many boys and girls.

[4:09:15] Most of them will remember their safety rule.

[4:09:20] You will remember how to be safe at the drinking fountain.

[4:09:27] They will remember how to play safely.

[4:09:29] So everyone can have a good time.

[4:09:34] There are safety rules too.

[4:09:39] Safety and Curtis.

[4:09:40] Always, our busy places. Without safety rule, and these girls know how to play safely, soon it will be your turn to talk about the at-school.

[4:09:54] Let's visit a classroom, which may be very much like your own.

[4:10:04] These boys and girls are enjoying a story together. The teacher is helping them learn how to read better,

[4:10:16] now it is time for them to have their milk.

[4:10:19] Whose turn is it to be the milk monitor? It's Bill and Jack's turn. They have been chosen to go to the cafeteria and bring the milk back.

[4:10:39] They remember an important safety rule about walking in the halls.

[4:10:47] The milk is ready for them to pick up.

[4:10:55] They know how to carry the trays of milk carefully,

[4:11:04] when others forget the safety rules.

[4:11:08] What would you do to keep this from happening in your school?

[4:11:23] It is recess time.

[4:11:25] Lucille and her friends are having fun jumping rope.

[4:11:30] They know that when they take turns,

[4:11:32] Everyone has a good time.

[4:11:42] The boys know how important it is to take turns too.

[4:11:51] It's shot. Now whose turn is it?

[4:12:00] Unmiss.

[4:12:05] Now no one can play.

[4:12:07] What rules of safety and courtesy would you use?

[4:12:24] Oasis are very special places to practice safety.

[4:12:27] These boys and girls have good safety habits.

[4:12:39] always safety begins in the classroom.

[4:12:59] Now watch carefully.

[4:13:04] When we forget about safety and courtesy,

[4:13:19] a warm day, a cool drink of water tastes good.

[4:13:26] Let's stop at the drinking fountain.

[4:13:30] When we take turns,

[4:13:32] everyone gets a drink faster.

[4:13:35] But when we forget to take turns,

[4:13:37] you know what happened.

[4:13:43] What would you do to keep this from happening?

[4:13:57] Benny and his friends seem to be enjoying a fine game of kickball.

[4:14:04] There is plenty of excitement.

[4:14:06] And each boy gets a turn.

[4:14:25] Robert, what is happening here?

[4:14:27] No one meant to kick the ball over the fence.

[4:14:30] But there it goes, out into the street.

[4:14:38] Are they going to do now?

[4:14:44] What would you do?

[4:14:57] Lunchtime is a time to eat.

[4:15:00] And a time to talk with friends,

[4:15:10] Fred hurried through his lunch today, Mary needs more time. Fred usually cooperates with his friends, but today he isn't thinking.

[4:15:23] What would you tell Fred, to remind him of safety and courtesy?

[4:15:40] The children at this school know just where they are supposed to play.

[4:15:45] Each group has its own play area.

[4:15:54] Some groups are large,

[4:16:02] and some groups are small.

[4:16:17] Not all the leader may be a good game too.

[4:16:20] Except when the leader forgets about safety and courtesy.

[4:16:29] Now, one group has spoiled the fun of the other group.

[4:16:34] Why do you think this happened?

[4:16:50] Boys and girls know how to walk up and down stairs safely.

[4:16:58] Can you tell what safety rules they are following?

[4:17:01] Some

[4:17:14] people forget the rules, you can see what happened.

[4:17:20] What are some good ideas for stairway safety?

[4:18:04] Weeds to me, America.

[4:18:06] The blood sweat and tears and passion, respect to what they do.

[4:18:09] I love that.

[4:18:11] I know the men and women that build those buses.

[4:18:14] I've seen the materials that go into that bus.

[4:18:17] I know the care, everyone takes building that bus.

[4:18:23] The L school must make a difference.

[4:18:25] It makes a difference for kids, it makes a difference.

[4:18:27] Parents, it makes a difference for the average six.

[4:18:34] There's two or three times a year.

[4:18:36] I'll see that my coworkers the same thing.

[4:18:41] They're the oldest person there.

[4:18:42] I see this person who's a child.

[4:18:44] Everybody else on that bus belongs to someone.

[4:18:47] Someone's key.

[4:18:48] I love kids.

[4:18:52] Obviously, when it comes to school buses,

[4:18:54] You have to constantly think about the future.

[4:18:57] The future is actually writing on this.

[4:19:06] We find this public transportation in the world.

[4:19:14] If you've ever seen a streetcar names as our Marlon Brando and Vivian Lee,

[4:19:18] you've seen a Thomas Pride.

[4:19:20] The streetcar name as our was a Thomas streetcar name.

[4:19:22] We started out building street cars in 1916.

[4:19:25] We continued to build street cars until the Great Pression hit.

[4:19:28] After the Great Depression hit street cars were no longer being purchased.

[4:19:31] So, in 1936, we became a school bus manager.

[4:19:35] In 1998, we were acquired by Daumler,

[4:19:38] H.E., Daumler, H.E.,

[4:19:39] the parent company of Mercedes-Benz.

[4:19:42] Daumler is the world's largest manufacturer of commercial vehicles.

[4:19:45] That allows us to tap into some resources

[4:19:47] that no other school bus manufacturer can tap into it.

[4:19:54] When you think about Thomas Bill Buses and Hotborne,

[4:19:57] we really have two campuses.

[4:19:58] We have a North Campus, and we have a...

[4:20:00] The North Campus is where all the history took place. It encompasses about three quarters of a mile, from one end of the building to the other, where we're actually fabricating parts that we use on all of our product lines, as well as manufacturing the minitor or the EFX and the HDS. If you get in a car and you go approximately two and a half miles, that's where we're actually building the safety-line or C2 product. That is the new plan.

[4:20:30] It was a nexus of one hundred million dollar investment to build a

[4:20:34] brand new product. The first integrated school was that it ever been introduced to the market

[4:20:40] with a chassis and the body specifically designed for each other to provide significant

[4:20:45] features and benefits that no other company could without the resources of time were we would never

[4:20:53] have been able to do.

[4:21:11] We're just now starting into our second century and we're very very excited

[4:21:17] about where the company is holding.

[4:21:25] You start with a truck that rolls into our desert coil.

[4:21:28] Young line, the cool start, punching and pressing.

[4:21:30] And we ship it to the assembly line.

[4:21:31] We put it on there.

[4:21:32] We make it installed right behind us.

[4:21:35] We can't repeat this.

[4:21:37] You can't pick up a bus manufacturing plant

[4:21:39] and move it and drop it anywhere

[4:21:41] and have it repeat it all.

[4:21:43] We have all of this technology to build a wonderful bus.

[4:21:46] Blue robots.

[4:21:47] We have welding robots.

[4:21:49] Paint robots.

[4:21:49] A lot of automation.

[4:21:51] We use structural pieces.

[4:21:52] We have self-piercing rivets, reinforced, high-lasters, extreme structure.

[4:21:57] We build it to be very strong, very robust, with lots of structure to help protect all the children inside and anyone riding inside.

[4:22:07] We transport a pretty precious cord.

[4:22:09] So safety has to be our number one priority.

[4:22:11] It is the foundation of everything that our company does.

[4:22:16] We want to ensure that even in the standard vehicles, no matter if you've had the highest options or not,

[4:22:22] The bus is safe. Your children are secure.

[4:22:26] These guys that build our product, you know exactly what they've been doing.

[4:22:29] They're doing it for a long time. They've got great equipment and great backing.

[4:22:33] You drive this business into the ground if you picked it up.

[4:22:35] I mean they're from iPod.

[4:22:37] You know, if you have time, it must be all like a big puzzle.

[4:22:39] But every puzzle, different size, different piece.

[4:22:43] Everybody's in fourth and every piece of puzzle is just as important as the next piece.

[4:22:47] to analyze the process and sustain the process allows us to build best robust everyday

[4:22:54] every time and even though there are many bucks within the day, when the bus goes in my station,

[4:23:00] it should devastate and know what the bus is going to do.

[4:23:02] What they do is screw it over on the wells they put on, the glue they apply is part of the structure

[4:23:06] that integrity the bus and how the children of the world.

[4:23:10] To be able to make something from raw metal from the earth and see it roll out the line behind us,

[4:23:15] that's really cool. We're very proud of what we do, but it's the people that make all the

[4:23:21] difference here. They know what they're doing. They're building school buses that transport

[4:23:26] children to in front school every day. And they're passionate about building safe buses,

[4:23:32] about building reliable buses, and about building durable buses. They really care about what they do.

[4:23:43] No, I don't. I love where I do. I love my job. I'll take pride in my work. I'll take pride in my work.

[4:23:50] I'll take my heart and put it in my work.

[4:23:54] We have people that have worked here for 40 years.

[4:23:57] We have such high seniority here,

[4:23:59] and I have to feel that that is because people are so satisfied with what they do.

[4:24:07] And I'll start with my dad.

[4:24:09] He's been here ever since I was little.

[4:24:10] This is all I've known as Thomas Boo.

[4:24:13] And then my mom worked right beside me.

[4:24:16] So I was like, a big old happy family.

[4:24:18] I

[4:24:21] love making something with a bunch of people actually reading them that's really important to the world.

[4:24:28] And a safe product to get our kids to school everything.

[4:24:31] I can't think of anything that's more important than that.

[4:24:34] The first thing that comes to my mind when I see a time and still bust is that it's distinctive.

[4:24:39] It's gorgeous, especially the C2.

[4:24:41] The C2 is a beautiful bust.

[4:24:43] No other bust looks like if you can see it immediately, you know what it is, as soon as you see it.

[4:24:48] And then there's an awesome sense of pride that that's my bus.

[4:24:52] We built that bus.

[4:24:58] And I get behind the Thomas Bus.

[4:25:00] And I've had whatever kind of day it is. And I look in that back glass and I see little people looking out the back waving. Then yeah, that's why I do what I do. That's why we're all here.

[4:25:11] School districts are very, very pressured from a financial perspective. So they're going to want a product that's going to like 15 or 20 years. So everything we do from a design standpoint, we target durability, a product that's going to give them good service over the entire life.

[4:25:45] So whether you're getting a minister, whether you're getting a sleeping honor seat fee, and

[4:25:51] EFX, or an HDX, we're doing our best to make sure the looks show in our safe, the construction

[4:25:57] techniques and features that we use are in circling those children in the day to sleep.

[4:26:05] That guy hanging behind us, it's Bill Polatt.

[4:26:08] It's a safe butt.

[4:26:12] Kids deserve it.

[4:26:13] It deserves you a best.

[4:26:17] We absolutely like the very best the Yellow School does.

[4:26:20] And we're here.

[4:27:04] Seeing your center is a community focal point for residents and friends from other communities,

[4:27:10] age 55 and older, and those with disabilities are encouraged to come together for services,

[4:27:16] programs, classes, events and activities, which will enhance their dignity and

[4:27:21] and encourage involvement because we provide such a wide range of services and activities.

[4:27:28] We have been recognized by the State of Connecticut as a state focal point of senior services.

[4:27:35] So sit back, relax, and take a look at many of the programs we have to offer.

[4:30:55] There's no better time than now to become a member of the Windsor seniors

[4:31:01] that promote mental and physical wellness, continue your friendships and make new friends, offer your wisdom and experience and celebrate the many ways in which older adults make a difference in the community or just enjoy life.

[4:31:16] For more information on what the Windsor Senior Center has to offer, please visit us online at

[4:31:24] town of WindsorCT.com, or we'd love to have you join us.

[4:31:29] We are located at 599 Madhianic Avenue at the LP Wilson Community Center, or you can call

[4:31:36] us at 860-285-1992.

[4:31:42] Come to the Windsor Senior Center.

[4:31:44] We're fun never gets old.

[4:32:02] Ladies and gentlemen, our national anthem.

[4:33:53] Late again.

[4:33:54] Thought you could sneak past me or saw me?

[4:33:57] No, sir.

[4:33:57] That's it.

[4:33:58] Do you have a note from your father?

[4:34:01] Yeah.

[4:34:02] Me!

[4:34:06] You got me that time, kid.

[4:34:09] Your father's an authentic star.

[4:34:56] Exaggerating, my mother doesn't hate you, dear.

[4:34:59] That's what...

[4:35:00] A few.

[4:35:01] Well, lands, if she hated you, she wouldn't have brought to that lovely bond of scotch back from her trip to Indonesia.

[4:35:08] Oh, I admit that the bottle of scotch was very nice.

[4:35:11] Admit that.

[4:35:12] But it's what she brought flour, stir the proof, see, AIDS, maize, fuw, fuw,

[4:35:25] fuw, fuw, fuw, fuw, fuw, fuw, fuw, fuw.

[4:35:29] Point their dear.

[4:35:36] Hi. And welcome to you, can't do that on television.

[4:35:39] Another in a long series of sour notes.

[4:35:42] Unless you're absolutely tone deaf,

[4:35:44] you're probably realized by now that this week's show is about music.

[4:35:47] But just in case you are tone deaf,

[4:35:49] I thought I would enlighten you the audience

[4:35:51] by telling you that the opening music to this show

[4:35:54] is actually a classical piece.

[4:35:56] It's by an Italian composer named Rossini,

[4:35:58] and it's called the William Tell Overture.

[4:36:00] Uh-uh, I don't know.

[4:36:02] They should have used Debussy's,

[4:36:05] the Lat dance, Delay's, Marionette's.

[4:36:08] And why is that Ross?

[4:36:09] Because your kids act for it

[4:36:11] It's a wooden.

[4:36:16] Ready, aim.

[4:36:19] Stop that, dummy.

[4:36:21] But I can't remember the words.

[4:36:24] Oh, that's terrible.

[4:36:26] Thank you so much.

[4:36:26] They made it, though.

[4:36:27] Listen, maybe if we, homie, do we, too?

[4:36:29] Maybe we could help you out.

[4:36:32] No, no, no, no, no.

[4:36:36] No, wait a minute.

[4:36:37] Holy, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[4:36:39] That's you.

[4:36:40] But that's it.

[4:36:41] What?

[4:36:41] I don't know. I don't know that.

[4:36:46] Ready?

[4:36:47] Hey!

[4:36:47] I have the record home.

[4:36:48] And the words are all right.

[4:36:50] Oh, what?

[4:36:50] I could go get it.

[4:36:51] Sure. Why don't you go home and get the record?

[4:36:53] Bring back the words and sing them.

[4:36:55] Oh, okay. Okay.

[4:36:56] Sure.

[4:36:58] It's... Wait a minute.

[4:37:00] I can't. Come back.

[4:37:00] I remember what the song was.

[4:37:02] I remember Johnny Cash.

[4:37:03] Ring out fire.

[4:37:30] You're a bird.

[4:37:31] You understand what does he do with this blood?

[4:37:33] Well, now you know it's secret fire.

[4:37:36] Dye, heard you.

[4:37:41] Washington at Valley Borge.

[4:37:44] Freeze in the hole.

[4:37:45] I'll put up spoke, George, saying.

[4:37:46] I'll be there.

[4:37:47] Oh, no, no.

[4:37:49] You mean what am I doing?

[4:37:53] This is a ukulele.

[4:37:54] I'm telling you, everybody, glad you.

[4:37:56] When I was a kid, I was in the garden.

[4:37:59] Get with it, man.

[4:38:00] They found a little electronics.

[4:38:01] Get like a hard-coller.

[4:38:02] Right?

[4:38:03] Yeah, right.

[4:38:04] Oh, you mean like this?

[4:38:14] No.

[4:38:16] I don't like it.

[4:38:18] Bones, you, Chloe.

[4:38:23] They...

[4:38:23] They need a home?

[4:38:26] Attention.

[4:38:27] Can anyone tell me what the three bees are?

[4:38:31] Oh, oh.

[4:38:32] Ronin, the boss, the beetles, and the beach boys.

[4:38:36] Oh.

[4:38:37] The winter, the winter, the beach, the blue oyster called,

[4:38:40] and the B52.

[4:38:41] Yeah.

[4:38:43] Close the future.

[4:38:44] Everyone knows that three bees are Beethoven,

[4:38:47] Bach, and Rock.

[4:38:48] Wrong?

[4:38:49] You're all wrong. The three bees are the worker, the drone, and the queen.

[4:38:55] This is a science class. You forgot. You kids have nothing but music on your mind.

[4:39:11] Understand why you girls have to have rock music way and why you're doing your exercise.

[4:39:16] I've ever tried to roll with dancing to the moonlight sonata.

[4:39:25] So you see Alice there, this glass full of a scotch.

[4:39:32] makes a much different sound. This one half-filled, but fun, fun.

[4:39:37] Oh, hi, pal. I was just illustrating to Alistair here.

[4:39:43] That glass is filled with different heights, make different notes.

[4:39:48] Yes, but Lance, you could have accomplished that with one.

[4:39:51] That's right. Well, but I wouldn't have been as much fun.

[4:39:55] Yeah, it's going to be here, won't it? Don't encourage him.

[4:39:58] Here he is for stuff like that.

[4:40:10] You know, sometimes I wish I were like Beethoven. Is that so you can make beautiful music for us to play? No.

[4:40:18] Beethoven was deaf. I think that commirings, sir.

[4:40:46] Wake us up in the morning with a trumpet.

[4:40:49] It's a plot to make music forever.

[4:40:52] You know what? Fake is working.

[4:40:54] I thought

[4:41:07] you were such a violent person. What's up?

[4:41:09] Huh? Oh, this? No, I'm not.

[4:41:13] This is just the introduction to some opposite sketches.

[4:41:15] You know where the opposite to real life really happens?

[4:41:17] Yeah. I was just sort of playing out the fantasy and until the tape ended.

[4:41:27] Oh, I was that horrible noise, Justin.

[4:41:31] What?

[4:41:31] Where are you practicing that violin again?

[4:41:34] Just a little.

[4:41:35] I want you to stop immediately. Don't play that funny.

[4:41:37] Play that rock music station. Oh, the guy. Come on. Come on.

[4:41:43] Wilder.

[4:41:44] Wilder.

[4:41:45] That's good.

[4:41:46] Your mother and I should do our best.

[4:41:55] Yes, you can't bring that thing in here.

[4:41:57] Oh, I know it. It's not turned on.

[4:41:59] Well, if you have to finish, I'm just going to say you can't bring that thing in here.

[4:42:02] Unless it is turned on. I'll turn it on immediately.

[4:42:04] Very loud.

[4:42:05] But I came in here for some reason.

[4:42:06] Why?

[4:42:07] For that on? Now.

[4:42:11] I'm about to

[4:42:18] leave.

[4:42:18] I'm about to leave.

[4:42:20] I'm about to leave.

[4:42:21] I'm about to leave.

[4:42:22] I'm about to leave.

[4:42:22] I don't care.

[4:42:22] We don't want to rush things.

[4:42:24] I want you to run along and take.

[4:42:26] I'm about to leave.

[4:42:27] We will have no more of that, Lisa.

[4:42:29] Now then, if there is any more talking back, Lisa.

[4:42:32] Any more talking back.

[4:42:33] I'm going to tell your parents then there'll be no practicing next week.

[4:42:36] Now then, go upstairs and throw your hands straight into the ceiling.

[4:42:40] I'm about

[4:42:46] to leave.

[4:42:47] Factory Audi.

[4:42:55] And what are you in detention for this time, Brody?

[4:42:58] I didn't do my homework, sir.

[4:43:00] Well, you've got two hours.

[4:43:02] I think possibly you'd better do your homework right here in detention.

[4:43:06] Yes, sir.

[4:43:07] Get to it.

[4:43:09] I'm going to...

[4:43:18] Hold it.

[4:43:19] Robert, what are you doing?

[4:43:21] My homework, sir.

[4:43:22] Your homework is making you that awful noise on that violin.

[4:43:25] No, sir. It's practicing most of its fifth-inch-head-on-deminer

[4:43:29] until I get it right.

[4:43:32] Get it right.

[4:43:33] Crony, if you don't mind, I think possibly you should do your homework at home.

[4:43:38] Attention.

[4:43:41] What?

[4:43:45] Sometimes, it's so easy. I'm ashamed of myself.

[4:43:55] You need to not put that cell up your neck to play it.

[4:43:58] Well, then why do you put a violin up your neck?

[4:44:01] Well,

[4:44:03] I don't know.

[4:44:17] Oh, Lisa. I'll have to serenade you.

[4:44:21] And

[4:44:26] if you can't do that on television, we'll be back after these messages.

[4:44:35] For a feeling that I wish you had to pull the top alone side.

[4:44:39] Whoa, flash, redneck flash.

[4:44:42] The minute's lying in it.

[4:44:43] The flash, the minute's flash.

[4:44:45] Whoa, hello, flash, the game's all here.

[4:44:48] The game's all wet.

[4:44:49] The minute's flash, whoa, hello, flash.

[4:44:51] It's the best point.

[4:44:52] Get to the gas.

[4:44:54] The best point.

[4:44:56] Slip and splash with plastic slide and weight of a tool and surf slide.

[4:45:00] New from where am I?

[4:46:02] This portion of Nickelodeon is brought to you by Oreo cookies from the bisco.

[4:46:11] Ready?

[4:46:13] Hey!

[4:46:13] Wait a minute!

[4:46:14] Stop the execution!

[4:46:15] What?

[4:46:16] What?

[4:46:16] What's your favorite tip in music?

[4:46:18] Oh.

[4:46:19] I would say the sound of rifles firing.

[4:46:23] Ready?

[4:46:24] Wait a minute!

[4:46:25] You can't really hear it somewhere you're standing.

[4:46:28] Can't hear it from where I'm standing.

[4:46:31] Are you kidding?

[4:46:31] That's a very loud firing squad.

[4:46:33] I need to get the full quarter-fonic effect.

[4:46:36] You have the style of the sound converges.

[4:46:39] And that is right on this post.

[4:46:40] Really?

[4:46:41] Well, you bet.

[4:46:42] It's a once and a way time experience.

[4:46:44] Hey, I got to hear this.

[4:46:46] Could we change places?

[4:46:49] Why not?

[4:46:50] Oh, you know.

[4:46:50] Come on.

[4:46:51] Please.

[4:46:52] Okay, but just this one.

[4:46:53] Okay.

[4:46:54] That's all.

[4:46:55] I'll be here like this.

[4:46:57] Yeah, okay.

[4:46:58] Is that okay?

[4:46:59] Damn it.

[4:47:01] Let me go.

[4:47:01] Ready.

[4:47:03] Hey.

[4:47:13] Beautiful.

[4:47:17] Beautiful.

[4:47:26] Face up to your neck to play.

[4:47:28] I don't see why not.

[4:47:29] You put a violin up your knack to play it. Why do you do that?

[4:47:32] What?

[4:47:32] Ah, no, you're not going to get me twice with that one.

[4:47:35] This is based on the ground to play it.

[4:47:37] Let me see?

[4:47:40] Oh, you're right.

[4:47:41] Hey, listen, Lisa, maybe you should play it.

[4:47:43] I can see the sort of a family resembling...

[4:47:46] Can't even turn it back.

[4:47:57] Oh, it's hot.

[4:47:58] Don't scream. We're the torture chamber.

[4:48:00] I'm music. Why do you listen?

[4:48:02] That screams from the torture chamber.

[4:48:05] What?

[4:48:06] What do you expect me to like?

[4:48:08] Minuets?

[4:48:08] Oh, the sound of the human voice.

[4:48:11] Screaming in the carol.

[4:48:13] That's music.

[4:48:15] Oh, no, no, no.

[4:48:16] Oh, not any mic.

[4:48:18] It's time for your music lessons.

[4:48:30] Music, too, I hear.

[4:48:33] Please, stupid things, ladies and gentlemen.

[4:48:35] You've got to be kidding.

[4:48:37] Not the noise of the machine.

[4:48:39] The noise of the pop and quarters into them.

[4:48:45] Believe it or not, those last couple of skits had a message.

[4:48:47] They were trying, and trying is the operative word here, to point out that what's music to one person's ears can be quite painful to another.

[4:48:56] We asked some kids what was music to their ears.

[4:48:59] Some of it was a little painful to mine.

[4:49:04] Well, I like classic jazz, and also got some.

[4:49:08] My teacher reminds me of a trumpet.

[4:49:11] He's always, well, he's not always yelling, but sometimes he yells at people, and it's pretty loud, just like a trumpet.

[4:49:17] I don't like the drums because it's too loud.

[4:49:21] The music is just described as maybe I guess rock or...

[4:49:26] I don't really feel like it's music.

[4:49:28] It's more like just making a lot of noise.

[4:49:32] It sounds something like somebody took time into it

[4:49:36] and that's just banging on trash cans or something like that.

[4:49:39] I hate country music.

[4:49:41] Probably with the most more than they have the music.

[4:49:44] Just the way country music sounds, I hear it.

[4:49:50] Hey Justin, yes, I was here.

[4:49:52] What do you think about the music they play in elevators?

[4:49:54] Oh, it's boring.

[4:49:55] Because they have an aim for that stuff, you know?

[4:49:57] The music they play in elevators?

[4:49:59] I don't.

[4:50:00] No? No, then what's it called?

[4:50:03] Snewsack and makes you go to sleep.

[4:50:06] Hey Christine?

[4:50:08] Yeah, bro? No Christine, everyone in our family seems.

[4:50:11] What about me, bro? Are you all in a band or something?

[4:50:14] No, there's no luck on the bathroom door, and every time you go in, you strike up a team.

[4:50:19] Families?

[4:50:20] Hey, Justin? Yes, Lisa. You know, when I think my voice feels a hall,

[4:50:25] Well, you must have a pretty strong voice.

[4:50:26] Well, no, my voice had to put the hall.

[4:50:28] I feel like trying to get out of it.

[4:50:31] I'm actually Lisa.

[4:50:31] I'm kind of surprised that anyone could

[4:50:33] get into the auditorium at all,

[4:50:34] what would your wide-ish hips at all?

[4:50:36] Oh, my, my hips!

[4:50:38] Don't strain your voice, please, Mom.

[4:50:41] Hey, Rody?

[4:50:42] Yes, Armstrong.

[4:50:43] Last week, my rock band played at a party.

[4:50:45] Oh, we did.

[4:50:46] Did the Ashley to come back and play again?

[4:50:49] Not exactly.

[4:50:50] They dared me to.

[4:50:52] Hey, Lisa.

[4:50:53] Yes, Lucy?

[4:50:54] When I gave my violin recital,

[4:50:56] The audience cheered and clapped and stamped it for hours and hours and hours.

[4:51:00] I didn't know you would act good.

[4:51:02] Well, actually, they only started a plot in when I told them that I'd do an on-corp.

[4:51:06] They would stop making so much noise.

[4:51:08] You know?

[4:51:10] Okay, I was certain.

[4:51:11] Yes, Brody.

[4:51:12] When I gave my powder a signal, the audience would glue to their seats.

[4:51:16] Oh, my great idea, Brody.

[4:51:18] You know, Boston and Gin is way to keep them there.

[4:51:21] I had some time.

[4:51:30] Jurgajuri, Jurgajuri.

[4:51:31] Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, okay.

[4:51:33] All right.

[4:51:34] But only if you sing a Carroll format.

[4:51:38] Carroll?

[4:51:39] Wait a minute, this is in Christmas.

[4:51:41] This is Halloween.

[4:51:42] Yeah, you're supposed to give us treats.

[4:51:44] Look, kids.

[4:51:46] The way I figure it is very simple.

[4:51:48] If the store is, can start to explain

[4:51:50] that Christmas stuff, and Halloween,

[4:51:53] then I can have Carroll's son for me.

[4:51:56] Okay.

[4:51:56] You better have good candy version.

[4:51:58] All right. Come on.

[4:51:59] 1, edit it 1,

[4:52:03] 2, 3,

[4:52:11] I know I told you we can have a piano if we had room for it

[4:52:16] but this is ridiculous

[4:52:18] oh no last, please try to keep your elbows off the piano

[4:52:22] oh no no no no no stop that

[4:52:24] how many times do I have to tell you not to play with your food?

[4:52:39] 2, you're gonna play for us today

[4:52:41] you know I've always loved the piano

[4:52:42] I can't play it though, but I've never tried

[4:52:44] my mother always said that my musical talent

[4:52:47] See, my voice, how do I know why?

[4:52:50] You know, we've ever thought about human voice.

[4:52:52] It's a beautiful musical instrument.

[4:52:53] I didn't think of all the great opposters.

[4:52:55] There was chorizo and paparotti and Maria Calas.

[4:52:59] They all used their beautiful voices to make beautiful music.

[4:53:02] Voices, so beautiful that people thought they were angel singing.

[4:53:06] Voices, so beautiful that people cried when they heard them.

[4:53:10] No, Lisa.

[4:53:11] I can understand that.

[4:53:13] You can?

[4:53:13] Yeah, because I want to scream every time I hear yours.

[4:53:19] I'm

[4:53:27] not for it, but I like pulling a piano.

[4:53:29] Well, you see, I do, but she doesn't know that.

[4:53:33] Well, why I played the piano and liked it and chew out my mum, no?

[4:53:37] Well, that's a bad and state because for punishment,

[4:53:39] one makes me practice this.

[4:53:42] Just can I look at this room?

[4:53:48] Have you practiced your piano yet?

[4:53:50] No, Mom.

[4:53:51] Right. Well, you get started and I'll clean up this room.

[4:54:03] You do your good, dear.

[4:54:04] He's like this son first, if you have seen him in my bed yet.

[4:54:07] Well, I wanted to look nice from the piano to come looking for you.

[4:54:10] But for her, he's always known that I hired a policeman.

[4:54:13] Well, you know that Lisa, but he always looks for you under the bed first.

[4:54:16] But that reminds me, dear, he's due any second you better get down there.

[4:54:20] Oh!

[4:54:24] There's always one thing that bothers me about music.

[4:54:27] What's that?

[4:54:28] Well, why is it that music you like to play loud on your stereo?

[4:54:30] Your parents are always making it turn down.

[4:54:33] And music, you don't like to play. Your parents always make it your practice.

[4:54:39] It's a funnel clock, you know what that means.

[4:54:42] No, no, not that. Come on, it's torture.

[4:54:45] I know. It's time for your piano lesson.

[4:54:51] I'm just getting to rock instead.

[4:54:55] No, don't you?

[4:54:56] No.

[4:54:56] What else can I help?

[4:54:58] No.

[4:55:21] So what's all I've heard?

[4:55:23] Well, this one does here. Don't you remember you promised Alice to you buy him a motorcycle?

[4:55:28] He's practiced his violin.

[4:55:30] Well, he's done and heard this.

[4:55:34] Hey, Brody, what's happening? You going to play baseball?

[4:55:36] I was, only my dad cornered me and ordered me to go home and pay my violin.

[4:55:41] I don't know, that's a drive. What are you going to do?

[4:55:43] Comfort-wise.

[4:55:47] Oh, oh.

[4:55:51] He's the closest place to the studio.

[4:55:53] The food is terrible.

[4:55:55] Well, I know it helps me stick to my diet.

[4:55:57] You wouldn't know if you might've come here to see me.

[4:56:00] Then why do you come here?

[4:56:02] Well, if she was placed, I can get Kakka

[4:56:04] for my violin ball.

[4:56:05] Guy!

[4:56:06] Through that.

[4:56:08] Who?

[4:56:11] Oh, oh.

[4:56:12] You've got a suit of sucker.

[4:56:14] Oh, oh.

[4:56:14] And then what happened?

[4:56:15] Well, this grizzly bird, and I,

[4:56:18] were so close.

[4:56:20] We could have shook hands.

[4:56:22] I didn't know if I'd end up with eyes.

[4:56:24] I'm not a day ever, hungry.

[4:56:25] I didn't know what to do. And then, I remembered something I'd heard as a youngster.

[4:56:31] What is it?

[4:56:33] Music sues the savage beast.

[4:56:37] You really played music for it, and he fell asleep?

[4:56:41] I'm not exactly. No. I beat him to death with my clarinet.

[4:56:48] Master?

[4:56:49] The album is here.

[4:56:50] The album is here.

[4:56:51] What instrument I want to play? What is your play?

[4:56:53] Well, I picked

[4:56:56] drum bones.

[4:56:58] Master, why did you pick this song alone?

[4:57:00] I think I'm bigger than you are, how come?

[4:57:02] Well, this is the most fun.

[4:57:04] How do you know this fun?

[4:57:06] Why?

[4:57:06] Because all I know is you the biggest spitball in that history

[4:57:10] of Benedict Arnold public school.

[4:57:13] Go for it.

[4:57:14] Great.

[4:57:25] Probably way to feel just in this finish

[4:57:27] because it's Indian music, saying.

[4:57:29] My Valerie, you know it, it's very important

[4:57:32] for a child to be able to learn to play a musical instrument.

[4:57:36] It's not the same song that I've just used.

[4:57:39] That isn't cool.

[4:57:41] I just hope that I will finally finish watching Guy Fritz.

[4:57:47] Oh yeah.

[4:57:51] You may have a point there.

[4:57:58] It's worth getting the who in here to entertain us.

[4:58:01] Well yeah, it's going to be the farewell concert.

[4:58:03] Great.

[4:58:04] It's all on my friends.

[4:58:05] Oh no, there's a time.

[4:58:06] They're already here.

[4:58:07] They're here already.

[4:58:10] Who do you think is in the burgers?

[4:58:13] I heard that.

[4:58:15] Oh, no, no.

[4:58:18] Oh, no, no.

[4:58:19] You know, photoshop?

[4:58:21] What is this?

[4:58:21] You guys go into a wedding or something?

[4:58:23] What's going on here?

[4:58:25] Relax. You're just in time to hear our quintet play.

[4:58:27] Mosa's considered a demon or frustrated Smiths.

[4:58:30] Wait a minute.

[4:58:31] Most owner.

[4:58:33] Mozart's, concherto, indeed, minor.

[4:58:36] You can't do that. That's a very difficult piece.

[4:58:39] We know.

[4:58:40] But we've been practicing for the last half hour.

[4:58:42] Half hour?

[4:59:04] This

[4:59:10] is a totally new kind of television program.

[4:59:13] It's made four ordinary Canadian kids,

[4:59:15] by ordinary Canadian kids.

[4:59:16] We're all new to television,

[4:59:17] so we're still trying to find a way around the studio.

[4:59:20] Anything can happen and probably will.

[4:59:24] Come on, John, just must be the place.

[4:59:26] Get a more television.

[4:59:27] Oh, boy! I like it! Hi, girls! Hi, mom!

[4:59:32] What do you do to think you are doing?

[4:59:35] You stepped right through this young lady's picture.

[4:59:38] You could have heard her seriously.

[4:59:40] Sorry, sir.

[4:59:40] You seem we're no around.

[4:59:42] Yes, stupid kids.

[4:59:44] But kids do and I can't make a television show anyway.

[4:59:46] If I were you, I would switch over

[4:59:49] and find out what the other channels are doing right now.

[4:59:52] No, wait.

[4:59:53] We'll save the trouble.

[4:59:54] We'll change the channels for you.

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