[0:00] Okay. Uh we'll get started here and call

[0:03] the meeting to order. Oh, we being

[0:05] recorded right now.

[0:07] >> Yes, it's on.

[0:08] >> And first order of business, I would

[0:11] like to welcome Myers.

[0:12] >> Thank you, sir.

[0:13] >> To our committee. Thank you for your

[0:15] willingness to

[0:18] donate some of your precious time. So,

[0:20] thank you.

[0:21] >> Appreciate the opportunity.

[0:22] >> Got to be careful on our budget.

[0:24] >> We didn't have money to buy stiffness.

[0:27] >> Yes.

[0:27] >> Yeah. It's okay. Don't tell Jody.

[0:30] >> Well, maybe we can throw that in the

[0:31] budget to get some staples.

[0:33] >> Yeah.

[0:35] >> I'll donate some. I've got more staples

[0:37] lying around our house for the stapler

[0:39] that we hardly ever use.

[0:40] >> They're my nemesis staples. I spend all

[0:43] day pulling out staples so we can scan.

[0:46] >> Exactly. Yeah. There you go. Well,

[0:48] Janet, I think we'll just turn the time

[0:50] to you and let you kind of walk us

[0:53] through what you understand, realizing

[0:56] that you,

[0:57] >> you know, this is probably new for you,

[0:59] too. So,

[1:00] >> yeah. Um, so, first thing, if you look,

[1:03] there's two tabs at the very bottom. One

[1:06] is um the 2027 projection, and then

[1:09] there's a variable requests. So, what I

[1:12] just want to explain kind of what we're

[1:14] looking at first. So, what we're looking

[1:15] at right now, it's just a draft. This is

[1:17] not a final. We won't have a final till

[1:20] June. We're just getting started. We're

[1:21] just trying to figure out the numbers.

[1:23] Um, but the variable requests, what what

[1:27] the mayor did was he put up at the top,

[1:30] and you'll see it in this printed one,

[1:32] and it's the one that has the red on it,

[1:34] but initially he put up at the top how

[1:36] much we had to spend, and then all of

[1:38] the things that were needed, and we went

[1:40] through and prioritized and just started

[1:42] saying, "I want this, this, and this."

[1:44] and then we watch the money disappear.

[1:46] Um, but first we're going to look at the

[1:50] first thing we're going to do is look at

[1:52] um the hard costs. So that's what this

[1:54] is. So what these are are um the

[1:57] revenues. So you can see right here um

[2:00] in the beginning it's property taxes and

[2:03] stuff and it's a projected. So the far

[2:06] right right here, this is what is

[2:08] projected. But if you look um right here

[2:11] they went through and this is what we

[2:13] have in so far. So as of March

[2:15] >> so remind me

[2:16] >> those are the actual

[2:17] >> fiscal year is July to June.

[2:20] >> Yes.

[2:21] >> So when we say March we're 34 of the way

[2:24] through.

[2:24] >> Yep. And that's so you can see what's

[2:26] what is actual and then what is

[2:29] projected. Now um believe it or not I

[2:32] mean there are people that don't pay

[2:33] their property taxes and stuff. So and

[2:35] there are people that pay late so we get

[2:36] some late ones in. Um, but that's pretty

[2:39] self-explanatory. This is where all of

[2:41] our income comes from. So, you've got

[2:42] property taxes, motor vehicle fees,

[2:44] sales and use fees, transportation tax,

[2:47] franchise tax, and the telecom tax. Um,

[2:50] I don't know if you know this too, but

[2:52] we have a we have a on the old water

[2:55] tower, we have not AT&T, not Verizon,

[2:58] T-Mobile.

[3:00] >> We get paid for that. We have a

[3:02] >> bullet tower

[3:03] >> tower up there. So, that's what that

[3:04] money is. That's telecom tax or that's

[3:08] >> that's a tax but we also get an income

[3:10] from that. There's just little random

[3:11] things that we get money from. Business

[3:13] licenses, residential building permits.

[3:17] Um we don't get any animal licenses

[3:20] anymore. We actually took that off. You

[3:21] can see we zeroed that out because we

[3:23] don't get that anymore.

[3:24] >> We haven't for years now it looks like.

[3:26] >> And we used to do the the animal

[3:28] shelter. we do the we just didn't get a

[3:31] good turnout where we would vaccinate

[3:33] them and license them.

[3:34] >> Are the fiscal year numbers the budgets

[3:37] from those years or the actuals?

[3:40] >> Uh those are the actuals.

[3:41] >> You mean 23 and 24?

[3:43] >> Yeah.

[3:43] Those are the actuals

[3:46] >> and 25 I guess.

[3:48] >> Yeah.

[3:48] >> So when it says year-to- date spend when

[3:51] it's in the

[3:52] >> in revenue it's actually revenue.

[3:54] >> That's revenue.

[3:55] >> Yeah. But there revenue obviously

[3:58] categories are a lot smaller, right?

[4:01] So there's not as many of them. Um we

[4:05] get a class C road allocation. So if you

[4:07] look projected we'll get about $120,000.

[4:12] >> Will you show us with your mouse as

[4:13] you're describing things

[4:15] >> right here?

[4:18] So yes, class C road allocation.

[4:20] >> Do you know what that means, Janet?

[4:22] >> Yeah.

[4:23] >> That's like gasoline tax or something.

[4:25] It comes from partly from the gasoline

[4:27] tax, but it's a state allocation that

[4:29] all municipalities get collected by the

[4:32] state and remitted. There are sometimes

[4:36] you can request additional, but I don't

[4:38] know whether we've requested any

[4:40] additional,

[4:41] >> but this is separate from the

[4:42] transportation tax shown above.

[4:44] >> Yeah.

[4:44] it's additional.

[4:46] >> It's a special tax that Utah, it's been

[4:49] on the books for ever since I've been in

[4:52] a CPA. So,

[4:53] >> but is that coming from gas tax or is it

[4:56] coming from some other?

[4:58] >> Most of it's from gas tax. There's some

[4:59] that comes from excise tax on tires and

[5:02] other auto parts.

[5:03] >> The state gives allocates it to us.

[5:05] >> They all collected by the state and then

[5:06] allocate among all the municipalities in

[5:08] Utah.

[5:08] >> Okay.

[5:09] >> So, when we see the transportation tax,

[5:11] that's not all of the gas tax that's

[5:13] being paid at the pump. That's only some

[5:15] of it. Okay.

[5:17] >> And then it looks like a new one is a

[5:19] liquor fund aotment. So, we're going to

[5:20] get $1,000 for people.

[5:23] >> Oh, that's that's It bound me out.

[5:28] » So, we'll take it. We'll take I mean the

[5:29] $1,000.

[5:30] >> Is that Is that just a state allocation,

[5:32] too, or

[5:33] >> I believe so. Yeah.

[5:34] >> We all need to ste start drinking more.

[5:36] Is that it?

[5:38] >> No, that's passing out the sin tax

[5:40] dollars back to the local agencies to be

[5:44] able to deal with the problems in their

[5:47] community created by it.

[5:49] >> Right. This is so Mike can do more

[5:51] counseling for those people that have

[5:52] substance use disorders. There

[5:54] >> we go. Um, so then, uh, zoning and

[5:57] subdivision fees. We've got a few there.

[5:59] Fire department services. Um,

[6:03] so you can see

[6:04] >> now,

[6:04] >> are we on expenses now?

[6:06] >> No, this is still revenue.

[6:07] >> Fuel revenue. And then fuel reduction.

[6:11] Now, fuel reduction is something that

[6:13] it's our wildland firefighter group that

[6:16] goes out um and

[6:20] it's offset with costs, right? So, um I

[6:24] believe Ted said in city council they

[6:27] actually cleared about 105,000

[6:30] additional. Um but we're projecting that

[6:34] this year that it's going to be a high

[6:35] fire year and that they'll actually

[6:37] clear 150. They've already banned on two

[6:41] or three fires.

[6:42] >> It's just a sad thing to say. Yes, we're

[6:44] gonna make some good money this year.

[6:45] Other parts of the country are gonna

[6:47] burn.

[6:48] >> Just hope we don't burn.

[6:49] >> I know. Exactly.

[6:50] >> I I'm you know, I was going to get rid

[6:51] of my big uh our travel trailer and I as I thought about the dry, I'm

[6:56] like, now I remember why I have it cuz I

[6:57] might be living in it. So, we'll just

[6:59] keep it for now. Um all right. So, then

[7:02] fiber revenue, miscellaneous services,

[7:05] city center rental, you know, not a

[7:08] whole lot there. park rental, not a

[7:09] whole lot.

[7:10] >> Is the sanitation garbage fees, is that

[7:11] a pure pass through to the residents or

[7:14] is there some money that's made off it?

[7:16] >> It's a pass through. They tell us what

[7:18] we have to charge. Um and then interest

[7:21] earnings because we do have some money

[7:23] in savings. Okay. And then um proceeds

[7:28] from the sale of capital assets.

[7:31] So, part of one of the things that was

[7:34] proposed and approved is they're they

[7:37] have the old fire truck, the old extra

[7:39] fire truck, and they're going to sell

[7:42] that because they need a new ambulance.

[7:44] >> You're talking about the pumper,

[7:46] >> I think. So, it's the the the

[7:50] Yeah. Not the wildland truck, but the

[7:52] residential the one they don't use. The

[7:54] old one,

[7:55] >> the type one.

[7:56] >> Yeah, he knows.

[7:57] >> Old type one.

[7:59] Um the ambulance I guess there's been a

[8:02] couple times that they've gone they've

[8:04] had a call and they go to start the

[8:05] ambulance and it won't start

[8:08] >> and it's really old. Um it's I think 0 I

[8:11] don't remember what year 03 or something

[8:13] that they told us. So the plan is to

[8:17] sell that old fire truck and use those

[8:20] funds to buy an ambulance. So um that

[8:23] you'll that'll kind of off that'll

[8:25] offset that too. And then

[8:28] just all the other things.

[8:30] >> We'll get 150,000 for that old fire

[8:33] truck.

[8:34] >> Yeah.

[8:34] >> Wow.

[8:35] >> And they're looking at about a hundred

[8:37] for an ambulance. So, we'll actually

[8:39] make a little bit of money off of the

[8:41] exchange. But don't worry, it'll get

[8:43] spent on a snow pal plow blade or

[8:45] something else that needs replaced.

[8:48] >> 1.4 4 million in um capital

[8:52] >> proceeds of bond issues, but I think

[8:54] that's a that might be a pass through.

[8:57] >> It must be a pass through because it's

[8:58] not showing up in the

[8:59] >> Yeah, I think it's a pass through.

[9:01] >> It's showing up in the totals.

[9:02] >> It does show up in the total, but then

[9:04] there's places where down below where

[9:06] it'll show it going back out. It shows

[9:08] everything coming in and then later it

[9:10] picks everything out, right? Um so down

[9:12] here is what the mayor wanted us to look

[9:14] at. Now, a couple of things. This was

[9:18] not suggested by us. Um, I actually

[9:20] wasn't going to run for reelection and I

[9:22] was going to push for it before I left

[9:25] and then I got talked into running

[9:26] again. So, I didn't. But Doral, who's

[9:29] left, is pushing for it and that's uh an

[9:31] increase in wages. So, I don't know if

[9:33] you know, but city council gets $84

[9:36] every two weeks and it just it doesn't

[9:38] even cover gas for the meetings that we

[9:40] have to go to. Um, so it's not a big

[9:43] raise. It's just um

[9:46] >> Is that yellow mark what you're

[9:47] proposing it go to or that

[9:49] >> that's what he wanted us to look at was

[9:51] the yellow. And what did he say about

[9:52] the blue?

[9:53] >> The blue is the additional over here.

[9:56] So, um this is what it is right now.

[10:00] It's 18.

[10:00] >> Oh, okay.

[10:01] >> And then he wants to do an an additional

[10:03] 7200. He said what it would be would it

[10:05] would be an extra $100 a month for each

[10:08] council member and the mayor. Um, which

[10:12] again it just like it's just it's not

[10:14] even for our time. It's just um

[10:18] >> covers your costs.

[10:20] >> Not even really. Like I, you know, I'm

[10:22] over all the events and I I spend my own

[10:24] money and I use my own resources from my

[10:26] home and I use, you know what I mean?

[10:29] It's just it is what it is. You know,

[10:31] you just do like if something is needed

[10:34] and you have it, you just do it. You

[10:36] don't think about it. But anyway,

[10:38] >> so currently it's basically $2,000 per

[10:42] council member and $8,000 for the mayor,

[10:45] >> something like that,

[10:46] >> if I'm doing my math right.

[10:48] >> Yeah.

[10:49] >> N $7,000 for the mayor,

[10:53] >> which is crazy to think how much work

[10:55] Ben puts in for $7,000.

[10:57] >> He's here all the but he's, you know,

[10:59] we've had a lot of change and he's

[11:01] trying to kind of get that straightened

[11:03] out. And you know when uh Brent got in

[11:05] there was a lot of change too because

[11:06] that's when Corbett and Craig had all

[11:09] that change happened. So um anyway so he

[11:13] wanted to know your opinion on that how

[11:17] you feel about that.

[11:20] I think on the one hand, adding $7,200

[11:24] obviously is nearly a 50% increase, but

[11:27] it still doesn't even approach

[11:29] compensating for the time that public

[11:32] servants put in. But then again, they're

[11:35] not running to get on in order to make a

[11:38] wage out.

[11:39] >> Yeah. None of us did this for the

[11:40] paycheck. So the question is is is there

[11:43] enough money there to offset the cost so

[11:47] it's not costing you to be on to be a

[11:51] public servant because you have to spend

[11:53] your own personal money to go to all the

[11:56] meetings and

[11:57] >> probably have to 1099 that too for

[12:00] >> Mhm.

[12:01] >> Is it 1099 or W2?

[12:02] >> It's a W2.

[12:05] >> Um you know so you claim it. They take

[12:07] taxes out.

[12:08] >> There's FICA on there. So there's a

[12:10] contribution.

[12:11] >> Yeah. So

[12:14] anybody else any objections?

[12:17] >> That's such a controversial one.

[12:18] >> Small thing.

[12:20] >> It's such a small dollar amount, but

[12:21] >> but I realize it's controversial.

[12:23] >> At a $3.8 million spend, adding 7,200 to

[12:28] make it so they don't have to spend as

[12:30] much out of their own pocket.

[12:34] >> Well, and here's the other thing we went

[12:36] through. Remember that I said we have

[12:37] the other we went through the other and

[12:40] we had we don't now because he's but we

[12:42] had 35,000 left over that we did a lot

[12:45] to anything.

[12:46] >> Oh, good for you guys.

[12:48] >> And so he's he's pulling it out over

[12:51] here. He's saying, "Okay, we've got

[12:53] 35,000 left. I'm going to make some

[12:55] suggestions in this blue of how to spend

[12:57] it."

[12:58] >> So what what do you think, Mike? What's

[13:00] your thoughts on that?

[13:03] everything everybody has said. It's it's

[13:05] not a ton of money out of the whole

[13:08] budget, but it's very controversial.

[13:10] I just wonder the impact on the

[13:14] community as a whole.

[13:16] >> I think my response to anybody who had a

[13:19] problem would say, well, then you run

[13:21] >> Yeah, exactly.

[13:21] >> for council and

[13:23] >> find out how much time it takes.

[13:24] >> Yeah.

[13:26] >> Now, I have no problem with it.

[13:27] >> I don't have a problem at all with that

[13:28] one. I obviously can't have an opinion.

[13:31] And you know, I kind of feel like if if

[13:34] it was something I voted on, I would

[13:35] abstain myself from it because

[13:38] >> I I'll say it this way. I also have

[13:41] other civic engagements that I do where

[13:44] I donate a whole lot of time to, an hour

[13:47] or two every day. But I'm willing to do

[13:51] my time, but I don't want my family's

[13:54] personal finance to have to suffer

[13:56] because of it. So, I like having enough

[13:58] money available that when I drive

[14:00] everywhere and buy food for the

[14:02] activities and things that I can get

[14:04] that reimbured.

[14:05] >> I served on a waterboard soldier Summit

[14:08] Water District for

[14:10] seven, six years, seven years, you know,

[14:13] and I never got done. And then all of a

[14:18] sudden, they did give us some money at

[14:20] least to cover our expenses. And so

[14:23] that's been nice and it makes you want

[14:25] to serve more.

[14:27] >> Yeah. Um

[14:28] >> because you're you don't have to outlay

[14:30] so much of your own money to take care

[14:32] of things.

[14:33] >> Well, and I you know and I remember

[14:34] something that like Bob Bob Ali told me

[14:37] when he was on because he was the one

[14:38] that talked me into running. But um he

[14:41] said, "Yeah, you get a little bit of

[14:42] money. It's not much of anything." And

[14:44] he said, "I just save it and use it to

[14:47] buy candy when I need to for Santa." And

[14:49] I've done that, too. You know what I

[14:51] mean? It's like he just he just kind of

[14:52] put it away in a savings account and

[14:54] then used it when it was needed. So it

[14:57] doesn't even necessarily go to us. It

[14:59] kind a lot of a lot of times the money

[15:00] goes right back into the city.

[15:02] >> So what's the total per council? 2,000

[15:04] >> currently. If I do 84 time 26 then I

[15:08] >> 7 seven for the mayor

[15:10] >> and and the remaining amount left out of

[15:12] 18,000 was seven.

[15:13] >> No.

[15:16] So, what

[15:19] I

[15:19] >> I appreciate the comment. I'm wondering,

[15:21] and again, I'm just a new guy, so um

[15:24] what if the expenses

[15:27] were just expenses instead of wages?

[15:32] >> What do you mean reimburse?

[15:33] >> In other words, reimburse.

[15:34] >> Yes. Reimburse the expenses so that the

[15:37] community knows these are this is money

[15:38] out of pocket.

[15:40] >> Um Yeah. Well, like in two weeks, we're

[15:42] going to St. George and we pay for our

[15:44] own gas. We pay for our own meals. Like

[15:46] I don't think the city wants to

[15:48] reimburse that.

[15:48] >> I think it would be more then

[15:50] >> it would be a lot more.

[15:51] >> It'd be a lot more. Um they do there is

[15:55] a place in the budget for a little bit

[15:57] of council cuz we it's training. We go

[15:59] to St. George for two days and it's like

[16:00] seminars and it's gross. Like you sit in

[16:02] meetings from 8:00 in the morning till

[16:04] >> this is League of Cities and Towns.

[16:06] >> Yeah. the League of Cities and Towns and

[16:08] it's it's classes on water and

[16:10] government and how to stay out of jail

[16:13] and all the things and technology and

[16:15] all the things and um you kind of pick

[16:18] and choose. We we go based on what

[16:21] committees we're on and what we serve on

[16:22] and what we have.

[16:23] >> Sure.

[16:24] >> But we pay for all of that ourselves.

[16:26] But to Mike's point, if we did it and

[16:28] saying,

[16:29] >> "Yes,

[16:29] >> turn in your reimbursements

[16:32] >> and we've got a pot of money $7,200."

[16:35] >> We save on FICA.

[16:37] >> Yes.

[16:37] >> Because we're not paying increased taxes

[16:39] when we're doing reimbursements as

[16:41] opposed to paying wages.

[16:43] >> I'm like trying to decide if I want to

[16:45] put it on here or here. I will.

[16:47] >> What's the FICA on there again? 500

[16:52] 52

[16:53] >> 550.

[16:56] He said I could write on this.

[16:57] >> Add that to the total amount you're

[16:58] getting reimbured.

[17:01] >> If we're if by converting it to

[17:04] reimbursement instead of wages, we save

[17:06] the FICA with the FIA in the total

[17:09] amount that's available for

[17:10] reimbursement.

[17:12] >> I'm going to make notes on here. It

[17:14] might be easier. I'm afraid I'm going to

[17:15] delete something.

[17:17] I can I'll give these to Ben, my notes,

[17:19] but

[17:22] I'm I'm making a note on here. He said,

[17:24] "Give me any notes that you guys have."

[17:26] Okay,

[17:26] >> that might be a consideration. And

[17:28] >> I'll ask I'll ask him about it and how

[17:30] >> be a win-win both ways.

[17:32] >> I mean, you could theoretically take all

[17:35] $18,000 out and say, "I don't get paid a

[17:38] dime. I get reimbursed for a fair amount

[17:40] of expenses, but I don't get paid a

[17:43] dime." And that would save us 1377 plus

[17:47] 550 that we could convert into more

[17:49] money available for reimbursements

[17:50] rather than going out as employer

[17:52] payment.

[17:52] >> Yep. employer taxes.

[17:54] >> Although most communities get in in

[17:57] other communities, granted they're

[17:58] bigger, but city council members get

[18:00] like 1,200 a month or something.

[18:02] >> Yeah,

[18:03] >> they get, you know, quite a bit.

[18:05] >> So,

[18:07] um,

[18:08] >> well, are we trying to benchmark and

[18:10] match this industry standard?

[18:13] >> No.

[18:13] >> Or we just trying to do whatever makes

[18:15] the most sense for our small little

[18:17] city. And if we can save money and make

[18:20] more money available to compensate our

[18:24] public servants and quit sending it to

[18:26] the feds.

[18:28] >> Yeah, I get what you're saying.

[18:29] >> We could look at a couple of cities,

[18:30] too. We could look at Elk Ridge and

[18:34] Mona and some of the smaller towns.

[18:36] >> There hasn't been a wage increase for

[18:38] council and mayor in like 12 years.

[18:43] But the but you know, the employees, I

[18:45] mean, they're employees and we have to

[18:46] give them wages. We're going to move.

[18:48] Keep thinking about that, but we got to

[18:49] keep going or we'll never get done. Um,

[18:51] so admin wages and salaries. You can see

[18:54] where I am now. So, this shows Ted 50%

[18:57] of his wage. Jodie 100% of her wage.

[19:00] This is what comes out of the general.

[19:02] Lori 30% of her wage. Some of hers comes

[19:05] out of water and stuff. Uh Wayne, he

[19:08] doesn't get he gets a little bit in code

[19:10] enforcement like a stipen, but he

[19:12] doesn't get a wage. And then Toby. So,

[19:15] those are and it shows you the

[19:16] percentage you can see right there. Um,

[19:20] and so Ben has um in the past they did

[19:24] he explained this to me, but in the past

[19:26] they would do like a 4% cost of living

[19:29] wage, but it wasn't really fair because

[19:31] somebody like Lori 4% was like $500.

[19:36] Um because and then somebody who got

[19:39] paid more like a Ted or what Chris was

[19:42] making, you know, it was a huge way

[19:44] raise. So

[19:45] >> I'm not understanding though. We've got Jod at 100% and Ted at 50%.

[19:51] >> Cuz 50% of it comes out of another fund.

[19:53] >> What? Yeah. What fund it's in.

[19:55] >> Yeah. So, so out of So, but overall, Ben

[19:59] is proposing a 1% cost of living

[20:02] increase and a 2% performance increase

[20:05] for TED

[20:06] and then a 6%. So, now that we don't

[20:10] have Chris, we are hiring somebody.

[20:14] >> Chris is no longer

[20:16] >> He's been gone for a while.

[20:19] That's why I'm doing

[20:19] >> a month or so, right?

[20:20] >> Yeah, that's why I'm doing

[20:21] >> He's no longer engaged.

[20:23] >> I did not know that. Sorry. Yeah, we

[20:26] didn't um we didn't like it was talked

[20:29] about in a city council meeting, but we

[20:31] didn't like advertise it or anything. Um

[20:34] but so they're taking on more duties.

[20:36] There's a lot more of the bookkeeping

[20:39] and stuff that's being done by staff. So

[20:43] Lori and Jod are both getting raises

[20:45] because they're having to take on a

[20:46] bigger portion of Chris's duties. And

[20:49] honestly, Lori was already doing a lot

[20:51] of it because Chris was kind of spread a

[20:54] little bit thin. Um, and so Lori was

[20:56] already doing a ton of it. Um, so that's

[20:59] why

[21:01] >> you can see the actual

[21:02] >> reason for taking on additional duties.

[21:04] Absolutely.

[21:05] >> And because what was the total spend on

[21:07] Chrissa?

[21:08] >> Uh, he was he was I he was over 100.

[21:12] >> Yeah. 110 something.

[21:13] >> 110 112.

[21:15] >> Okay. So, we're taking 110 and then

[21:18] turning it into

[21:20] >> $10,000.

[21:21] >> Yeah.

[21:22] >> Talk about

[21:22] >> that's a good win.

[21:24] >> Yeah, we will hire um

[21:27] we are looking for we're hiring someone.

[21:29] So, it's weird, but there, you know,

[21:31] we're a municipality, so there's a lot

[21:33] of reports that have to be filed on time

[21:35] in a certain way, and um this last

[21:38] little while, we were getting a lot of

[21:40] fines and different things because

[21:41] things weren't being done timely and and

[21:43] so um so we're we're looking to hire

[21:47] someone that's experienced with

[21:49] accounting with municipalities.

[21:51] >> So, we're not just saving it. It's just

[21:53] we currently don't have the position,

[21:54] >> but it won't but we we're not going to

[21:56] it's not going to be an employee. It's

[21:57] going to be somebody that does it for a

[21:58] couple of cities and we're going to it

[22:00] the wage will be really small like

[22:03] >> it like a like a contract. So it'll be

[22:06] about a third of what we've been

[22:07] >> we're just outsourcing that requirement

[22:09] to an accounting firm

[22:11] >> and we'll still have we'll still have

[22:12] somebody to do our taxes but we'll have

[22:15] somebody that just files all of our

[22:16] reports and does our FICA and all those

[22:19] kinds of things. I I did give Ben a name

[22:22] of individual that I work with right now

[22:24] on our water board and

[22:27] >> Okay.

[22:28] >> Yeah. Because he was going to actually

[22:29] reach out to both of you and ask both of

[22:30] you if you knew somebody.

[22:32] >> He's tremendous.

[22:33] >> And he knew one person too.

[22:35] >> Two years and it's flawless.

[22:38] >> Did Squire do stuff like this?

[22:40] >> We do payroll things if that that's part

[22:44] of the work. That's part of the work,

[22:45] but we're we're looking for somebody

[22:46] that has is, you know, has experience

[22:49] with government

[22:50] >> public reporting.

[22:51] >> Yeah.

[22:51] >> Got a big governmental group, but I

[22:53] don't think they get into the details.

[22:54] They're mostly just auditors.

[22:58] >> All right. So, then I need to go back

[23:01] over here.

[23:02] >> So, I I'll just comment on the Rays

[23:05] formulas of doing colas plus performance

[23:09] eval. I hate that system.

[23:12] I think colas are stupid.

[23:14] I think you just come up with one

[23:18] number, one percentage and just call it

[23:20] what you want to call it. But if you're

[23:23] trying to split the baby and call part

[23:26] of it cost of living, then that needs to

[23:28] be indexed against a a standard

[23:30] benchmark

[23:32] um as opposed to

[23:35] doing the these split things

[23:38] and just say this is what we you know

[23:41] benchmark municipal wages over time

[23:44] increase by x% or we do a salary survey

[23:47] every year and come up with the these

[23:50] are market competitive rates and there

[23:51] may some years where there's no raise

[23:53] and there's other years where there's a

[23:55] 6% raise.

[23:56] >> And I've recommended that actually to

[23:58] the mayor that we do a salary review of

[24:02] the city employees and

[24:04] >> and I remember he did one a few years

[24:06] ago.

[24:07] >> Yeah. Uh what's his bucket?

[24:10] Sever

[24:11] >> Yeah. Came and did a fantastic

[24:13] government because he was so familiar

[24:15] with the federal government, all the

[24:17] wage classifications.

[24:19] >> Yeah. He did an awesome job on it. Um,

[24:21] >> I thought he did it.

[24:23] >> And I think that did a good job of

[24:25] saying this is the right classification,

[24:27] but now keeping up with what's the

[24:29] market rate for those positions, we just

[24:31] need to know what

[24:34] job to compare that against because you

[24:37] can get all this data from the Bureau of

[24:38] Labor Statistics.

[24:41] >> Um, and just say we're going to

[24:43] benchmark your raise. But I I like that

[24:47] it's not just all cost of living and

[24:50] we're just matching because if we've got

[24:52] a stupendous Jodie that just is amazing,

[24:56] but we hire somebody else that's not

[24:59] really that great, I want to be able to

[25:01] give them more for performance

[25:04] than just everybody gets the same 2%

[25:07] raise per year because that's what the

[25:09] benchmark is.

[25:12] Oh,

[25:13] >> that's smart.

[25:15] Um,

[25:15] >> I figured

[25:16] >> now I say that because I've got 250

[25:19] employees, so I can give the good ones a

[25:21] good raise and the bad ones a small

[25:23] raise,

[25:24] >> but when you've only got five and

[25:26] they're all good.

[25:29] >> It's hard to say. We're saving it on the

[25:30] bad one to give it to the good one.

[25:33] Okay. So, this next section um is FICA,

[25:37] retirement,

[25:38] health insurance,

[25:41] um

[25:43] admin audit. We do we have an audit done

[25:45] every year. Admin attorney.

[25:47] >> Is the attorney fees appropriate for the

[25:50] anticipated litigation costs?

[25:53] >> Um

[25:55] >> yeah.

[25:56] >> Are we still in litigation?

[25:57] >> Yeah.

[25:59] The fugitives have filed a couple more

[26:02] cases and then we have a couple people

[26:05] threat. Is

[26:05] >> that the one that was always been a

[26:07] problem?

[26:08] >> Yeah, it's been going on for 10 years or

[26:10] something now.

[26:11] >> It's not 10, but it's not much less than

[26:14] that.

[26:14] >> Close.

[26:15] >> Um

[26:16] >> cuz when we moved in, fugitives were

[26:18] nice and happy and everything, but

[26:20] >> then things soured a few years later.

[26:22] >> I really like them. It's really sad. I

[26:25] taught their kids in primary. Um Megan

[26:28] and I were friends. Um so so yeah,

[26:32] probably it might it just depends. We

[26:35] have someone else in the city that's

[26:38] threatening. So we'll we'll see. Um

[26:43] and then elections, that's we won't have

[26:46] an election this year, so there's just

[26:47] $100.

[26:49] >> Go back up to what's the admin

[26:51] professional services?

[26:51] >> Yeah, what's the professional services?

[26:54] >> I not 100% sure. I think that I'm sorry

[26:57] that I Let's go look.

[27:00] Um Oh, there's so 13,500 is for scanning

[27:05] of records that we approved in over

[27:08] here. Um and then

[27:10] >> old older records that have been

[27:12] >> so if there's ever a fire that's all um

[27:15] it's all the old stuff that's just on

[27:16] paper.

[27:17] >> Mhm.

[27:18] >> And we're going to do it in chunks. So,

[27:20] it was going to be a lot more than that,

[27:21] but we decided we would do like a fourth

[27:25] of it this, you know what I mean? We're

[27:26] going to spread it out. And then also,

[27:29] we have a contact contract for our IT

[27:32] stuff like that. So, it's stuff like

[27:34] that that we have contracts for. Um,

[27:38] >> but these are outside professional

[27:40] services, not city. So, these are not

[27:41] employees.

[27:42] >> 13,500 scanning is again outside

[27:46] company. We're just going to ship them

[27:47] off to Iron Mountain and they're going

[27:48] to

[27:48] >> Yep. We're going to Yeah. And it is It's

[27:50] going to the prison wherever that

[27:52] Anyway, they're going to do it. They do

[27:54] it.

[27:54] >> So, there's $76,000 in it.

[27:57] >> It's not just it. It's There's several

[27:59] items. There's There's a whole bunch of

[28:01] things that go into that. It is only

[28:04] a,000 a month, I think. So,

[28:08] >> a whole bunch of things.

[28:10] >> In my P&L, accounting is under admin

[28:13] professional services.

[28:15] Yeah,

[28:16] >> we probably want to look at that broken

[28:18] out and know what it is, but

[28:20] >> Yeah,

[28:20] >> that's a lot of money.

[28:22] >> Yeah.

[28:22] >> Um,

[28:24] utilities you got there and then,

[28:29] uh,

[28:32] >> the utilities seem to be up

[28:34] significantly. Is that just because of

[28:35] rates or is that because of increased

[28:38] usage?

[28:40] >> Um,

[28:42] I I think it's just rates. But look at

[28:45] it's Yeah, because it's gone up from 43,

[28:48] you know, uh natural gas and stuff is

[28:50] out of this world right now.

[28:53] Uh with all this with the war and

[28:55] everything going on. So I think they're

[28:56] trying to anticipate

[28:58] um and then also let's see traveling

[29:04] that's what pays for our conference.

[29:07] Let's see. And then admin book

[29:09] subscriptions. That's like Polaris.

[29:13] Um, a couple subscriptions they have

[29:15] like that. Supplies and expenses.

[29:20] >> Wait a minute. That's It's hard to see

[29:22] going across. The 60,000 is for

[29:26] insurance and bonds.

[29:28] >> Yeah, it's hard to

[29:29] >> Right. It's a weird line because it goes

[29:31] down.

[29:32] >> Yeah.

[29:33] It's not stretched out. So the

[29:35] travel conferences is only

[29:37] >> 3,000.

[29:37] >> Mhm.

[29:38] >> So again with the insurance that's a

[29:40] significant increase from prior years.

[29:42] >> Yeah.

[29:43] >> Um and in fact it's interesting how much

[29:45] it's bouncing around for 4,000 then

[29:49] 53,000 then 9,000 the 19.

[29:51] >> Are we paying more because of our

[29:52] lawsuits? Is that what we're doing?

[29:55] >> I'm not sure. I'm sorry. We don't have

[29:58] Chris anymore.

[30:00] >> Well that's something that needs to be

[30:01] explained. what 60,000 why it's so much

[30:05] and why it's so much more than

[30:06] historical.

[30:09] >> Um

[30:09] >> we spent quite a bit this year though in

[30:11] that category.

[30:14] >> Some of the stuff I just don't I don't

[30:16] know what goes into all of it and

[30:19] Okay. So

[30:23] I don't know what this principal sales

[30:26] tax. It's only 690,000. We can go on

[30:31] >> projected. I don't know what that is.

[30:34] >> So, scroll over to that note. This could

[30:36] be

[30:37] >> go go go go away in 2027, but we won't

[30:39] know until evaluation has been done on

[30:41] the new bond.

[30:44] >> So, that's the bond.

[30:45] >> Is that the bond we Yeah,

[30:46] >> I think that's the bond that we had that

[30:48] we've had and we've been paying on. We

[30:49] have a couple of them.

[30:50] >> Yeah. Where are we doing a new

[30:51] >> We looked at those, remember?

[30:53] >> One for roads, one for water. We looked

[30:55] at those and you know because you've

[30:57] been here and so yeah I think that's

[30:59] what we're paying on those.

[31:03] » So is this saying let me just voice it.

[31:06] We're getting a new bond up above and

[31:08] we're retiring an old bond to the tune

[31:10] of 690,000.

[31:13] >> Yeah, I think that's what it means.

[31:15] >> We haven't just we haven't done anything

[31:17] on

[31:17] >> I can swallow that if that's what's

[31:19] happening.

[31:21] >> Otherwise it doesn't make sense. Yeah,

[31:23] >> because we had a bond revenue of

[31:28] 1.4 million. So if we're retiring

[31:30] 690,000 of that giving us a net increase

[31:33] of

[31:34] >> now the 1.4

[31:37] >> is if we take out the new bond and there

[31:39] and it's it is being spent somewhere so

[31:41] it's probably there

[31:44] part of it.

[31:44] >> Yeah. Retiring the like Aaron said

[31:46] retiring some of the old bonds and then

[31:49] doing all the

[31:50] >> we talked about rolling that We also

[31:53] were taking money out of we've had money

[31:55] in capital funds and we already this was

[31:56] already decided long ago. We already

[31:58] decided this previously, but we took all

[32:01] the money out of some of the capital

[32:03] funds and then out of the general fund

[32:06] to pay for some of the roads projects so

[32:08] we wouldn't have to finance them. Um we

[32:10] did vote as a council to keep 250k in

[32:14] the general fund savings. Um roads and

[32:18] water are you know water fund is

[32:21] different. It's its own thing, but just

[32:24] for um we keep 250k in there for

[32:27] emergencies.

[32:28] So, and I'm sorry that I'm not Chris and

[32:30] I don't have all the answers you guys

[32:32] want. Sorry. Sorry.

[32:33] >> J, I would say one thing from a public

[32:35] transparency perspective. I think

[32:38] anything that is five digits, let's say,

[32:42] needs to be able to have an explanation

[32:45] either when the question is asked or

[32:46] have a note out to the side that says

[32:49] what all these line items are.

[32:50] >> Yeah. There are some notes. See, I'm

[32:52] sliding it over.

[32:53] >> Yeah. But there's a lot that you don't

[32:55] know. And when it's a not just a

[32:57] fivedigit, but a six figure number

[32:59] especially, there needs to be an

[33:01] explanation of what that is.

[33:03] >> And honestly, that's something we've

[33:05] never had and we've asked for all the

[33:07] time. And so, I think some of it, yes, I

[33:09] agree.

[33:10] >> And and in the old days, it may have

[33:11] been that's because we had Chris and he

[33:13] could just rattle it off.

[33:14] >> But if we don't have Chris, then we need

[33:16] to have it on paper. And it's better to

[33:18] have it on paper so people can refer

[33:21] back to going, I can't remember what

[33:22] Chris said.

[33:23] >> Even with Chris, it would have been

[33:24] great to have that the notes down.

[33:25] >> I I think that's really wise what Aaron

[33:28] just said on that

[33:31] >> is have explanations on on anything over

[33:34] >> what' you say?

[33:35] >> I'm saying five figures. Anything over

[33:37] 10,000

[33:40] >> over 10,000 or more.

[33:42] >> Okay. And then maybe anything related to

[33:45] wages just because wages are stupidly so

[33:48] controversial.

[33:50] I guess staff wages, they're going to be

[33:53] in the five figures. It's the council

[33:55] wages that are not, but those are the

[33:57] most controversial ones even though

[33:59] they're the least expensive ones.

[34:01] >> And you know my because I get that in my

[34:03] job a lot. I get beat up over like

[34:05] getting paid for what I do. And I just

[34:07] have to look at people and go, "Do you

[34:09] love what you do?" And they, "Oh yeah,

[34:10] no, no, no, no. Tell me what you do. Do

[34:12] you love it? Yeah. Well, will you do it

[34:14] for free? You know what I mean? It's

[34:16] like

[34:17] people's time is valuable. Sorry. Um

[34:22] inspection wages, all of this. There's a

[34:24] lot.

[34:25] >> What's the plan review? There were notes

[34:26] out to the right of that one. That

[34:28] 17,000.

[34:29] >> Um yes, let me scoot over.

[34:33] Sunrise inspections

[34:36] says it should probably be renamed. If

[34:38] you want to reduce that just a little

[34:40] bit on the view, you might be able to

[34:44] see that. Yeah, that's that's probably

[34:47] too much. But

[34:48] >> I know I'm like, hold on.

[34:56] » Maybe just a hair more.

[34:57] >> I can I can now scroll back to the left

[35:00] and see how much

[35:02] >> how much we can see.

[35:03] >> You can type a number in there, too.

[35:04] Like if you wanted to do

[35:06] >> Yeah.

[35:06] >> 60%. See, that's that's readable for me

[35:08] if it's not for you guys.

[35:10] >> Okay, that'll make it easier for me cuz

[35:12] it's hard going back and forth. I feel

[35:13] like I'm

[35:14] >> absolutely

[35:14] >> getting lost. So, let me scroll back

[35:16] down. We just you guys we will be here

[35:18] for 6 hours if we keep going at this

[35:20] slow pace. I'm sorry. And most of these

[35:22] are not negotiable. Most a lot of these

[35:25] are hard costs. So, it's not anything

[35:27] that we can change.

[35:28] >> We're in the fixed cost area right now.

[35:30] >> Yes, we're in the fixed. So, fire wages,

[35:34] those are fixed. you know, this is

[35:35] retirement.

[35:37] Um, you've got

[35:41] fire equipment supplies. This has all

[35:44] been approved. Fire training, fire

[35:47] discretionary fund is only $1,000 and

[35:49] that's usually for the fireman's

[35:50] appreciation dinner.

[35:52] >> Janet, in column H, what is the

[35:54] difference between yellow and blue and

[35:56] white for that matter?

[35:59] >> Um, he said something about that that

[36:03] J. Can you remember what he said

[36:05] >> in your I don't know. Can you open your

[36:06] email and tell me?

[36:08] >> I can do that.

[36:09] >> And and specifically our task tonight is

[36:13] to focus on column I. I mean you're It

[36:16] sounds like you're saying quit asking me

[36:18] about everything in column H. I only

[36:20] want you to look at column I.

[36:23] >> I just want to know what our role

[36:25] >> but No, I'm saying look how many pages

[36:27] we have to go through. I know. And then

[36:30] we have to go through all of this, too.

[36:32] That's all I'm saying.

[36:34] Um,

[36:37] so code enforcement officer, where are

[36:40] you good? Do you want me to go back up?

[36:43] Am I going too fast? You tell me.

[36:48] » So, inspection wages.

[36:51] Um, that's Chris Chris Tambasco. He does

[36:55] building inspections for us now. So,

[36:57] it's not a regular city employee. He is,

[36:59] you know, he's a contractor. He's he

[37:02] does inspections. So,

[37:03] >> is he employed by Sunrise or is he doing

[37:06] this as as his own consulting business?

[37:08] >> As his own consulting.

[37:09] >> Okay.

[37:10] >> Um, so FICA, all the things there.

[37:14] >> Anybody I trust.

[37:15] >> I know. Plan review. Um,

[37:19] that was the inspections. We talked

[37:21] about that. Subscriptions.

[37:23] >> Sorry. You said Chris is a contractor.

[37:26] >> Yeah.

[37:26] >> Timbascope.

[37:27] >> Yeah, he's a

[37:28] >> he's not currently building though,

[37:30] >> right? I'm trying to figure out.

[37:33] >> He does inspires.

[37:37] » He's not a He's not employed by the city

[37:40] as a contractor. He does He is a

[37:42] contractor. So, he knows how to do

[37:44] >> Oh, I see. But building inspections,

[37:46] >> we're paying We're not paying him as a

[37:47] city employee or are we?

[37:48] >> We pay him to do inspections and it he's

[37:51] by inspection per inspection. He doesn't

[37:53] get a flat fee or anything like that. He

[37:54] gets paid based on for doing

[37:57] >> as wages though or as subcontractor. Uh,

[38:00] I think he's a sub.

[38:02] >> That's what I'm getting. Sorry.

[38:04] >> But the note says Chris Tambasco wages

[38:06] and insurance.

[38:07] >> I think the insurance though is probably

[38:09] >> like like a liability insurance

[38:12] >> but it's listed on account 4190 which is

[38:15] inspection wages as opposed to outside

[38:18] professional services.

[38:20] >> Right.

[38:20] >> And it also says building FICA.

[38:22] >> Go in on Woodland Hills. Well, but

[38:24] funnily enough is there's no

[38:28] >> bike to get on the internet on Woodland

[38:30] Hill. It's WH.

[38:32] >> Oh, it got changed.

[38:34] >> Or is it Woodland Hills office?

[38:36] >> So,

[38:38] it says enter the network

[38:41] 2026.

[38:42] >> It may be that it's appropriate. It it

[38:45] he is in some information changed since

[38:47] the last time you connected.

[38:49] >> I know. I'm trying to pull it up. Hold

[38:50] on.

[38:50] >> And it used to be that we had

[38:52] >> because somebody hacked it. We used to

[38:54] have Corbett doing it and some of

[38:55] Corbett's wages were applied to

[38:59] >> but now it's all being paid to an

[39:01] outside entity and that's why there is

[39:02] no taxes, health insurance or retirement

[39:05] associated with

[39:07] >> I can't join either.

[39:09] >> But there's

[39:10] >> I can't join either.

[39:11] >> There's plan review sunrise inspections.

[39:15] >> I it won't join. It's spinning.

[39:17] >> But that's different than inspection

[39:19] wages. Then

[39:21] >> get on this.

[39:22] >> What?

[39:24] >> I'm on the office one here, but that's a

[39:26] secure one. I can't.

[39:28] >> Janet, do you know why there's both

[39:30] inspection wages and plan review of

[39:33] 17,000?

[39:34] >> The plan review is for the general plan.

[39:37] And we have

[39:40] um

[39:41] >> and I see the note this should be

[39:43] renamed as building inspection

[39:45] consultant.

[39:47] So, it it appears to me without anybody

[39:50] to explain it that we've got two

[39:51] different line items for the exact same

[39:53] thing.

[39:54] >> No, we've got Sunrise Engineering. They

[39:56] review building plans when people submit

[39:59] them for subdivisions and homes. Chris

[40:02] Tambasco goes out and physically

[40:04] inspects.

[40:05] >> Got it. Plan review versus

[40:08] >> construction site review.

[40:10] >> Yeah. Chris Tabasco goes out and make

[40:12] sure they're doing what's on the plans,

[40:14] that they're following those.

[40:16] Um, ordinance enforcement officer,

[40:19] that is Wayne.

[40:23] Um,

[40:24] >> he earns every penny

[40:27] dealing with

[40:28] >> some of the stuff. He just shakes looks

[40:30] at us and shakes his head and says, "I

[40:31] do not want to do that." I loved his

[40:34] article in the newsletter, not this

[40:36] month, but last month, when he said,

[40:38] "Quit whining about people using their

[40:40] air brakes and just be glad that they

[40:42] didn't crash into somebody on the way

[40:43] down."

[40:45] >> Oh, I know. And then we had a big crash

[40:47] down at the bottom of the hill the other

[40:48] day. The road was closed for a long

[40:50] time.

[40:50] >> Mhm.

[40:51] >> Uh and then somebody hit an elk

[40:53] yesterday and killed an elk. Made me

[40:55] really sad.

[40:56] >> Where was that?

[40:57] >> That's why I posted what I did. A ride

[40:59] at the roundabout. And so I suggested

[41:02] today, I drove down today and I it looks

[41:04] like uh kind of the road to the salt

[41:06] shed and because it's right through

[41:08] there, it looks like that may become a

[41:10] thorough fair for the elk to kind of go

[41:12] across and go into the fields. And so I

[41:15] said maybe we need one of I suggested to

[41:17] Ted today that we need an animal

[41:18] crossing sign there. And maybe not even

[41:20] so much for residents, but for all the

[41:22] con the construction workers and staff

[41:24] that are coming in and out of the city

[41:25] and people like that. Probably won't

[41:27] make any difference. There's animal

[41:29] crossings all the way up and down.

[41:31] >> I know. Every road.

[41:32] >> I I said maybe it needs to say at the

[41:34] bottom throughout the whole city or

[41:36] something.

[41:37] >> Um

[41:37] >> that's what I tell my family.

[41:40] >> Wildlife.

[41:41] >> Okay. Police services.

[41:42] >> You want me to read this to you? What he

[41:44] wanted us to focus on?

[41:46] >> The yellow.

[41:46] >> Mike, what I would love the finance

[41:48] committee to focus on would be the

[41:50] column in blue and the accompanying

[41:53] notes in blue on the first tab. And then

[41:58] a review of second tab. I've broken the

[42:01] budget.

[42:03] >> Help me see that again. Column I, the

[42:05] entire column is blue. So,

[42:07] >> yeah, but there's nothing in it.

[42:09] >> There is in some areas. But then what

[42:10] was the second thing? The column in blue

[42:12] and the accompanying notes in blue.

[42:15] >> Yeah.

[42:16] >> The accompanying notes out. He wants us

[42:17] to review those notes that are in there.

[42:19] >> Okay. And that's was the wages. That's

[42:21] what we did. But like see there on row

[42:25] 93 I think it is there's a number.

[42:29] >> Oh and there and then there is a note in

[42:32] blue for us to review.

[42:35] >> Yep.

[42:35] >> So while I appreciate that Janet you've

[42:37] been willing to the second tab over. Is

[42:40] that what he's saying or is that is that

[42:43] >> the request tab down here at the bottom?

[42:45] >> This the blue.

[42:45] >> Okay.

[42:46] >> Yeah. We'll do the variable in a minute.

[42:48] >> If you want to just ignore going through

[42:49] the whole budget with us and say our

[42:51] task is just to review. Yeah, that's

[42:53] fine with me.

[42:54] >> Column I where there's a number and then

[42:56] look at the appropriate note

[42:57] >> and yeah and this was the employee

[42:59] wages. We talked about that.

[43:00] >> We already talked about that.

[43:01] >> Okay.

[43:02] >> He said the first tab is basically the

[43:05] old budget which you are familiar with

[43:07] is mostly the fixed cost. I'm defining

[43:10] fixed cost for the sake of this exercise

[43:12] as the cost that we are already

[43:15] obligated to pay. The second tab is what

[43:18] I'm calling variable costs.

[43:20] >> Yep. We'll go through that. when he

[43:21] said, "Jenn, you know that one well."

[43:23] And I do know that one better. He

[43:24] actually didn't go over any of this with

[43:26] us

[43:26] >> because this was we already knew this

[43:28] part, right?

[43:29] >> So, it sounds like the council has is

[43:31] pretty pro the var the variable.

[43:34] >> We went through it a lot. It was a

[43:36] couple of hours. Okay. So, operating

[43:37] expense is the next blue section. Um,

[43:40] and it's just more

[43:41] >> You're in a different fund now, aren't

[43:43] you're enterprise fund?

[43:44] >> Mhm.

[43:45] >> Yes, I am.

[43:47] >> Okay. So, sorry.

[43:49] >> Okay. I'll get out of this.

[43:51] Thank you for doing that. That saves us

[43:53] some time.

[43:54] >> Yeah.

[43:55] >> Um,

[43:56] >> so on paper we are on

[43:59] >> there's a black solid line.

[44:00] >> That's the last page

[44:02] back side.

[44:04] >> Oh yeah, just right there cuz I scrolled

[44:06] down to the next blue section. So this

[44:09] is the the rest of the wages.

[44:12] Remember how 50% of Lorie's was in the

[44:15] other one.

[44:16] >> So here's the other 50%.

[44:18] >> And the same with copy doesn't match

[44:21] what's on the screen.

[44:23] >> Looking first.

[44:24] >> I think this is the most updated cuz he

[44:26] went and added

[44:27] >> I know. I'm just saying Mike don't

[44:29] bother looking there because you're

[44:30] >> Well, some of it didn't print.

[44:32] >> Mine matches.

[44:34] >> I don't have

[44:34] >> What number are we on?

[44:36] >> What? Well, they're not numbered. The

[44:37] pictures aren't numbered. But

[44:38] >> No, I meant

[44:39] >> 6110.

[44:40] >> It's It's actually right here.

[44:43] Look at me.

[44:44] >> But the notes on there and the blue

[44:47] boxes. Yeah, those don't print out

[44:49] >> the notes cut off.

[44:50] >> I'm just trying to track the numbers at

[44:51] this point

[44:52] >> right here. Operating expense.

[44:55] >> Okay, thank you.

[44:56] >> 6110.

[44:58] >> So, this is where the other 50% of Ted's

[45:02] wage comes from and the other 50%.

[45:04] >> So, help us understand where it's

[45:06] showing 30, 40, 20. Is that in prior

[45:08] years? That's what percent was being

[45:11] allocated to those funds?

[45:14] >> Yes.

[45:16] They're trying to simplify it. Do you

[45:18] remember how before everyone said they

[45:20] felt like wages were kind of a shell

[45:22] game and nobody could figure out what

[45:24] people were paid?

[45:25] >> It was being split amongst so many

[45:27] different buckets. Now it's basically

[45:29] either 100% one or 50/50. But that's

[45:33] >> they're trying to simplify it.

[45:35] >> Okay.

[45:36] >> Make it more transparent. They want to

[45:38] be more transparent.

[45:40] >> He's at 156,000 right now.

[45:44] >> Ted.

[45:45] >> Yeah. And he wears a lot of hats. Some

[45:46] of that is for fire, but most of it is

[45:48] for

[45:50] the city.

[45:52] Um, and then

[45:56] other expenses,

[45:58] leaving us in blue, it's just the FICA

[46:00] again.

[46:02] >> Yeah. But to me, like all he really

[46:03] wanted to look at was the wage increases

[46:06] >> so far.

[46:08] Um, yep.

[46:11] >> That's everything that he want. It's in

[46:13] that blue column.

[46:14] >> It's all just the blue. Okay. So, we'll

[46:16] go to the variables. So, this is where

[46:18] it gets fun.

[46:19] >> So, so I don't know if we if we need to

[46:22] give him uh some kind of feedback, but I

[46:26] don't have any issue with those wage

[46:27] increases on any of the either the

[46:30] council wages. Now, we Erin's point

[46:32] about possibly converting the wages to

[46:35] reimbured expenses.

[46:36] >> I wrote that down

[46:37] >> as a merit.

[46:38] >> Mhm.

[46:38] >> But on on the increases for the other

[46:41] people, I don't have any issue with that

[46:42] at all.

[46:44] >> And I wrote all that down. So, I'll

[46:45] report that back to him.

[46:46] >> I just eventually want to do a salary

[46:48] study.

[46:49] >> Yeah. The formula for salary increases

[46:52] could be improved over the current

[46:54] format.

[46:55] >> Okay.

[46:56] >> I just want to make sure that we're

[46:57] paying our people what other

[47:00] institutions are paying them and and

[47:05] >> you should know that the other cities

[47:06] call and try to hire a blaze away.

[47:09] >> Yeah.

[47:10] >> All the time. In fact, uh, Elkridge also

[47:13] does not have a finance director at the

[47:14] moment. So,

[47:16] >> Chris doing them too.

[47:17] >> No, but they also, uh, lost theirs and

[47:20] so they they said if you find one, let

[47:22] us know because if it's somebody that's

[47:25] just doing for three or four cities,

[47:27] maybe they would have the capacity

[47:28] >> time.

[47:29] >> Mhm.

[47:31] >> So, was Chris's termination voluntary on

[47:35] his part or involuntary?

[47:38] Uh because that's an employee. It's I

[47:40] can't say.

[47:41] >> Okay.

[47:44] » And I think this is that other tab,

[47:46] right?

[47:47] >> Yep.

[47:48] So this is the other tab. So again,

[47:51] this we went through and we So initially

[47:55] these were all

[47:58] uh the amounts. He did it so that it had

[48:00] an amount at the top and then we went

[48:02] through and approved things. Approved.

[48:04] I'm going to do the the mayor's and then

[48:07] we're going to skip the purple Jodie

[48:08] because there's a lot in there and I'll

[48:10] come back to that. But we'll start with

[48:12] the mayor um council travel. There's uh

[48:17] like Carrie is the representative for

[48:19] the ULC, whatever it is, UCL, whatever

[48:22] it is,

[48:23] >> Utah League of Cities and Towns. I have

[48:25] to say it that way. I can't remember the

[48:26] anacronym, but um there's there's um

[48:30] there's another one that she goes to and

[48:32] she pays all of her own travel expenses.

[48:34] Um and then there's one that Jod has to

[48:37] go to for the city recorder. It's a

[48:38] training um and that hasn't always been

[48:41] covered. And so he's he wanted to

[48:43] increase it just a little bit to help

[48:45] cover their expenses that they're

[48:47] already paying.

[48:48] >> I think that's fine.

[48:49] >> Is that So is that$7,000 the total or is

[48:51] that

[48:52] >> That's the total.

[48:53] >> Okay. And this is just this year's

[48:55] budget, but it doesn't tell us how much

[48:57] was in prior years.

[48:59] >> No, this is the wish list. This is with

[49:01] what was left over in the budget. The

[49:02] wish list. So then a thousand for mayor.

[49:06] >> But before we dive into the details,

[49:07] help us understand

[49:09] we we built all the revenues and we

[49:12] built all of the fixed costs and said

[49:14] this is how much is left in fixed costs

[49:17] and this is where we've spread our

[49:20] variable expenses. This is every year

[49:22] the the all the employees present to the

[49:25] council what they want and what they

[49:28] need,

[49:28] >> right?

[49:28] >> And that's what these are.

[49:30] >> We used to divide that up in the in the

[49:33] committee and each of us take a section

[49:36] of that.

[49:36] >> Yep.

[49:38] And so that's what this is.

[49:39] >> I worked with Corbett on his budgeting

[49:42] every every year for several months. So,

[49:45] this is uh and the mayor expenses and

[49:49] like the council discretionary, just so

[49:51] you know, like when people are no longer

[49:53] on council or if they've served on a

[49:55] committee for a long time and they quit,

[49:56] we give them a plaque and we you know

[49:58] what I mean? Uh Doral got a flag, you

[50:01] know? So, these $500, that's what these

[50:06] small things go for.

[50:07] >> I think that's great.

[50:08] >> Okay, so then I'm gonna skip Jod for a

[50:11] minute. Uh Wayne, for the planning

[50:15] commission, they have $1,000

[50:17] uh that they can use. I'm not sure what

[50:19] they use it for. Maybe they have a

[50:22] dinner once a year or you know what I

[50:24] mean? Something. I don't even know. But

[50:26] that's what they're that's what's in

[50:27] their budget. Um for the building,

[50:31] there's tools, books, dues, and

[50:33] subscriptions. Um you can see county

[50:36] recorder fees. Adobe. They have to pay

[50:38] for Adobe.

[50:39] >> Yeah. So that's the 1500.

[50:43] Obviously we approved all of those

[50:46] first.

[50:47] Um we went to fire and if you look on

[50:51] the far right there's a one two three.

[50:54] So Ted prioritized those on which what

[50:56] was the most important to him. Um they

[50:59] were supposed to kind of do like a one

[51:00] two three one two three but he kind he

[51:02] did one through nine there. But um

[51:05] anyway, so replace outdated structural

[51:08] PPE and he's just doing three sets.

[51:12] They're not doing all of them. They just

[51:14] every year they try to do two or three.

[51:16] And Mike would know this well, but they

[51:18] try to do a few every year and rotate

[51:20] them so that hopefully they're not all

[51:23] 10 years old or 20 years old or I guess

[51:25] it however long it is at the same time.

[51:28] It surprises me that uniform gear takes

[51:30] priority over these other things which

[51:34] in my thought seem to be more

[51:37] >> no

[51:38] >> protective equipment.

[51:39] >> No, the uniform gear, the fire the pants

[51:42] they wear off the fire.

[51:44] >> This says shirts, hats, and gloves.

[51:46] >> Yeah, they're fire retardant shirts and

[51:48] fire retardant gloves and they their

[51:50] helmets wear out and don't look good

[51:52] anymore after so many years. This is not

[51:54] the stuff we see them wearing around

[51:56] t-shirts and jackets.

[51:58] >> No, this is firefighting gear.

[52:00] >> Okay.

[52:00] >> Yep.

[52:02] >> These are their shirts and their like

[52:04] Rachel I I remember I this really struck

[52:07] me. It was when I was brand new, but at

[52:08] one of the fireman appreciation dinners,

[52:10] Rachel Skinner got up and said that her

[52:13] helmet was 12 years old and it was long

[52:16] beyond expired and probably not safe for

[52:18] her to be wearing. She probably

[52:19] shouldn't go into a fire.

[52:21] >> What they use a thermal camera for? Mike

[52:24] >> determining if there's hot spots after

[52:26] burn truck

[52:27] >> after a burn. You just walk around with

[52:29] it and see if there's still something

[52:30] burning underneath the brush or

[52:31] underneath a rock or

[52:32] >> hot spots.

[52:33] >> Yep.

[52:34] >> So, we we approved everything in here.

[52:36] There wasn't anything that Ted asked for

[52:39] that we didn't approve, but I'm going to

[52:40] tell you that he didn't ask for anything

[52:42] extravagant.

[52:43] >> No, he didn't.

[52:44] >> Um, like I say, only three sets of uh

[52:47] PPE, you know, so he he didn't he didn't

[52:50] go anything crazy. So, um, yeah,

[52:56] you can just I'm just kind of scrolling

[52:57] if you have a question on something.

[52:59] >> Still paying for catering, gifts, etc.

[53:02] This year, they did see where Okay.

[53:06] >> Yeah. Firefighter appreciation. And, you

[53:08] know, they used to have it somewhere

[53:09] else, but to save money, they now have

[53:11] it at the city center. Um, they used to

[53:15] where they would go, they'd have to pay

[53:16] for the meal, and it was a little bit

[53:17] more expensive. And now we have an old a

[53:20] restaurant that's out in it's out in

[53:22] tinik Eureka um that they do some

[53:24] catering so they do it. So it's a little

[53:27] bit cheaper.

[53:30] I've had two of my kids call me now. Um

[53:33] and then

[53:34] >> I was going to say, isn't one of them on

[53:36] a mission? Oh, wait. No, those are your

[53:37] older kids.

[53:38] >> Yeah. Yeah, I've got I've got lots of

[53:40] other kids. Um fire equipment repairs,

[53:43] maintenance. It says this is for

[53:45] emergency vehicle repairs and they have

[53:48] a lot of Well, it's crazy.

[53:50] >> I thought we got leases to eliminate the

[53:52] repairs.

[53:52] >> We did, but we still have a couple of

[53:54] old trucks that we own.

[53:56] >> Okay.

[53:56] >> Um and

[54:00] so like the old wire the wildland truck,

[54:03] the fire the wildland crew truck, we own

[54:05] that one. It's not on a lease.

[54:08] >> And then fuel reduction.

[54:12] Um,

[54:13] just PPE for new wildland firefighters,

[54:16] hand tools, new hose.

[54:19] Again, there was nothing.

[54:22] Now, this the the

[54:24] uh this all is paid for. This is

[54:27] covered. Remember how I we had the 150

[54:30] income?

[54:31] This is all covered.

[54:33] So the travel, the lodging when they

[54:36] drive to a fire, they they have to pay

[54:39] for a hotel room, you know, on along the

[54:41] way. So that stuff is covered. They they

[54:45] earn it back. Um and then EMS, we also

[54:49] approved all of that. The yellow is the

[54:52] ambulance.

[54:54] Um and that the money that we saw in the

[54:57] budget where they were selling the

[54:58] truck, they won't spend that much. They

[55:01] said it'll be closer to 100, but

[55:04] >> So why are we putting 150 if it won't

[55:06] cost 100? They can get an ambulance for

[55:07] 100,000.

[55:09] >> Because we we approved up to because

[55:13] they go on an auction and they go fast.

[55:17] >> It's a used one.

[55:18] >> Yeah.

[55:18] >> Uh-huh. It's a used one up on auction

[55:20] and they go fast. And so we approved an

[55:22] up to amount, but Ted and I mean Ted has

[55:26] come under budget on everything that

[55:28] he's asked for so far. And he assured us

[55:30] that it will not be that much. But we if we only approved a hundred and there

[55:36] was a great one for 110 and he they had

[55:39] to come back and get approval, we would

[55:41] lose that ambulance. It would be gone.

[55:43] >> That makes sense.

[55:46] >> So Yep. Um, and then roads and public

[55:50] improvement.

[55:52] So the the 1 million4

[55:55] that's based on getting the bond. So

[55:58] that's not coming out of

[55:59] >> Okay. So then what's that $690,000

[56:02] expense if it's not retirement of a

[56:04] bond?

[56:07] >> That's based on us getting the bond and

[56:10] spending the money. I don't know what I can call Ben, I guess, and ask him.

[56:17] Um,

[56:19] but if we don't like if we didn't

[56:21] approve this, we'd have to take the

[56:22] million for income out that we had in

[56:24] this category. And we we spoke with the

[56:28] banker and this was while Chris was

[56:30] still here. We are pre-approved for

[56:33] that. We had we're not spending that

[56:35] money yet. Again, this isn't even

[56:36] approved yet. This is just uh the

[56:39] council said yes, you know, if we get

[56:42] the bond and the bond goes through, then

[56:43] yes, we can spend that money. Is there

[56:46] interest to test to a bond?

[56:49] >> Absolutely.

[56:50] >> Figured. Do we know what that interest

[56:51] rate will be?

[56:53] >> Six.

[56:54] >> Our first interest rate was very

[56:57] >> There was one that was zero. There was

[56:59] one that was 2.5.

[57:03] >> I think the one we did on water was

[57:05] zero. The one on water was zero because

[57:09] that was some kind of government

[57:10] >> and we got like u

[57:14] 200,000 or 300,000

[57:17] forgiveness.

[57:20] >> Yeah.

[57:20] >> So it was some government program.

[57:22] >> Yeah.

[57:24] So this will

[57:25] >> the interest on that when we last fall

[57:27] we looked at um

[57:29] >> whether it was better to get a bond and

[57:32] pay the interest or incur the

[57:35] everinccreasing cost

[57:37] >> would be as false

[57:39] >> the the inflation on road construction

[57:41] because the average increase was I can't

[57:44] remember now it's like 12% or 13%.

[57:48] >> Yeah. Okay.

[57:50] >> I'm calling Ben. I'll ask him your

[57:52] question. Okay. Okay. So, the red, we

[57:54] don't know what this is for, so we're

[57:56] probably deleting that out. So, that's

[57:58] why it's a red, so that probably won't

[57:59] be there. Hi. Um, we have a question.

[58:04] Aaron is beating me up pretty good over

[58:06] here. I like it. He's putting me to the

[58:08] test, and I don't I know. So, he has a

[58:11] question for you. I'm just going to let

[58:12] him ask you.

[58:13] >> Is this Ted? Ben.

[58:15] >> Ben.

[58:15] >> Okay. So, Ben, when we were up in the uh

[58:18] expenses, we saw $690,000

[58:22] for a road.

[58:23] >> Well, for the bond

[58:27] find it now

[58:27] >> in revenue.

[58:31] » I know. I'm looking for it, too.

[58:34] >> It was something we weren't supposed to

[58:41] be looking at, but we were kind of

[58:42] looking at all of it. It's line 4141.

[58:46] >> Oh, good. I thank you.

[58:49] >> Yeah, there it is.

[58:50] >> Six digits.

[58:51] >> 4141.

[58:55] » I'm actually in my garden right now.

[58:57] >> I hear birds chirping.

[59:00] >> Where?

[59:03] >> In Woodland Hills. Always birds

[59:05] chirping, right?

[59:06] >> Yeah.

[59:07] >> Where you see

[59:09] it?

[59:11] >> 690.

[59:13] That's the one you're asking about,

[59:14] right?

[59:16] >> Ben, it's a it's labeled principal sales

[59:20] tax revenue refunding bond

[59:24] and it's 690,000.

[59:26] No, the pages

[59:28] >> and that's in the budget changes column

[59:31] for

[59:31] >> is different than yours

[59:33] >> March 2026.

[59:36] >> So it's not revenues.

[59:38] No.

[59:40] >> Yeah. The tax revenue refunding bond.

[59:43] >> We were thinking that we were getting a

[59:45] new bond and that was retirement of the

[59:47] old bonds.

[59:48] >> But then when we got down to the

[59:51] variable requests, the full 1 million4

[59:54] is shown being expended on the roads.

[59:56] >> Okay. I'm still not seeing it like

[59:58] >> so it confused us.

[1:00:00] >> Don't see anything about road.

[1:00:01] >> Let me pull it up if I can. I don't know

[1:00:05] if there's a note for the blue or the

[1:00:07] white.

[1:00:07] >> Or you could walk over. Sorry. You're in

[1:00:09] the garden.

[1:00:12] >> That's okay. I uh

[1:00:14] >> see that close.

[1:00:15] >> Get to the garden.

[1:00:16] >> Where are you now?

[1:00:18] >> Right here.

[1:00:19] >> He's across the street.

[1:00:20] >> Couple hundred yards up the road.

[1:00:22] >> Yeah. So, I'm literally just just right

[1:00:25] here.

[1:00:26] Okay. Uh give me um give me five

[1:00:29] minutes. I'll be right there.

[1:00:30] >> Okay. Thank you. Bye. We'll keep going.

[1:00:35] All right. So then um snowplow, we went

[1:00:38] through snowplow

[1:00:41] and um we approved everything there. We

[1:00:45] the salt is variable. So that's why that

[1:00:48] one's yellow. We just don't know. But we

[1:00:50] have to have salt. It's not really I

[1:00:53] kind of some of these things I question

[1:00:55] why they're in there. Like salt

[1:00:57] shouldn't but it's not a fixed cost. I

[1:00:59] think that's why it's in the variable,

[1:01:00] right? Because it changes every year.

[1:01:02] >> Maybe 10,000 have another year like this

[1:01:04] year where we did

[1:01:06] >> I hope not.

[1:01:06] >> Yeah, I hope not, too.

[1:01:08] >> So, they've got blade replacements for

[1:01:10] 6,000.

[1:01:11] >> It's not the actual blade. It's the

[1:01:12] rubber edge. There's a rubber edge that

[1:01:15] we they wear out and they have to

[1:01:16] replace I can't remember what they call

[1:01:18] it. I learned a lot of things that I

[1:01:19] never thought I would know about, but

[1:01:20] anyway, they have to replace those all

[1:01:22] the time. Um, and then

[1:01:26] >> you know that thing that goes around the

[1:01:27] fire sprinklers is called Nutchum.

[1:01:29] >> Learn that.

[1:01:30] >> Oh, I did not know that.

[1:01:33] U mis truck misque truck parts. Um

[1:01:38] >> miscellaneous.

[1:01:39] >> Yeah, that's just like

[1:01:42] >> the lights they put on them and

[1:01:43] different things. Um and then fuel and

[1:01:47] then repairs and maintenance, snow

[1:01:49] plowing. It's it's not anything to do

[1:01:51] with the actual truck, the lease part.

[1:01:53] It's just the parts cuz we have parts on

[1:01:56] them. You know, we have the plows and

[1:01:58] some of them have the dumpers on them.

[1:02:03] Did you see where that was or do you

[1:02:05] want me to show you?

[1:02:06] >> Just remind me again.

[1:02:10] >> 690

[1:02:13] >> 4141

[1:02:15] >> 700.

[1:02:19] » Sorry, you ran. You're huffing.

[1:02:21] >> Oh, I do that anyway.

[1:02:23] >> You want me to point it?

[1:02:25] >> Yeah. So, we've spent

[1:02:27] Oh, we're budgeting.

[1:02:29] >> What's this guy? Yeah. So that's

[1:02:33] this past budget.

[1:02:36] So we're budgeting 92,000

[1:02:39] for 2027.

[1:02:40] >> But why would we have $700,000 one year

[1:02:43] and 90,000 the next year?

[1:02:45] >> And 90 there and 87 and 84 there.

[1:02:48] >> Principal sales tax.

[1:02:51] >> This is my issue with some of these

[1:02:52] names

[1:02:54] >> is they're useless.

[1:02:56] principal, sales, tax, revenue, funding,

[1:02:58] bond is 41417.

[1:03:02] >> Aaron's got an eagle eye, so he doesn't

[1:03:03] know what that's for.

[1:03:06] >> I need one more piece of information.

[1:03:08] >> Okay.

[1:03:10] got it.

[1:03:11] >> All right. So then, um,

[1:03:15] just at the bottom, parks, PTR has a

[1:03:18] budget of,500. They try to use it for

[1:03:20] beautifification, stuff like that. City

[1:03:23] Celebrations, that's for Woodland Hills

[1:03:25] Days and all the things. Um, and then

[1:03:29] parks repairs, maintenance, that's for

[1:03:30] sprinkler repairs and trail replacement.

[1:03:33] And what the trail replacement is is um

[1:03:36] the asphalt. There's several places that

[1:03:38] crumble and fall apart. And we need to

[1:03:40] keep that good so that especially some

[1:03:42] of our senior citizens and people like

[1:03:44] that have access. We don't want people

[1:03:46] falling.

[1:03:47] >> When you say the trail, you're talking

[1:03:48] about the asphalt trail that goes

[1:03:50] through the park.

[1:03:51] >> Yep. and around and connects to the

[1:03:53] pavilion and stuff like that. So they in

[1:03:55] sections um as sections break up,

[1:03:58] they'll go and just repair those

[1:04:00] sections. So that's what that is for.

[1:04:03] >> And that parks would would the trail up

[1:04:06] the switchback trail, would that be

[1:04:08] included in this budget?

[1:04:09] >> In the PTR budget, the 1500 PTR budget

[1:04:13] >> is it paid?

[1:04:14] >> No.

[1:04:15] I don't think so.

[1:04:16] >> But there's water bars up there. Um, and

[1:04:19] in the past there they've done some

[1:04:21] signage. Uh, one year when Ben and I

[1:04:24] were both serving on the PTR, we put

[1:04:26] ballards in so that uh, sideby sides

[1:04:30] that weren't wider than is it 50 in,

[1:04:32] Ben?

[1:04:33] >> 50 in.

[1:04:34] If they're wider than 50 in, they

[1:04:36] can't go on the trail cuz it's not safe.

[1:04:38] We actually when we were up there

[1:04:40] working um we each had four-wheelers

[1:04:43] with trailers on them and I was coming

[1:04:45] down and Ben was going up and we could

[1:04:46] barely just a standard four-wheeler. It

[1:04:49] was it was pretty scary and Ben was on

[1:04:50] the outside edge so it was pretty scary.

[1:04:54] Um

[1:04:54] >> I encountered a Ford truck driving the

[1:04:57] switchbacks one time when I was hiking

[1:04:59] it. I couldn't believe it.

[1:05:01] >> Yeah, we had a Honda Pilot once take

[1:05:03] them take its way all the way to the

[1:05:05] top. It

[1:05:05] >> was crazy. So that's what the that's

[1:05:07] what the PTRs goes goes to. So all good

[1:05:12] things that need to be done.

[1:05:14] >> And the red ones you guys have decided

[1:05:16] you're not going to fund those

[1:05:17] >> or we don't Yeah, the chipper um the

[1:05:21] that one.

[1:05:24] Uh Ted's going to apply for a grant

[1:05:27] maybe to get our our own chipper in the

[1:05:29] city and then we could do it more often

[1:05:31] or we could have our fuel reduction

[1:05:33] crew, our wildland firefighters, they

[1:05:35] could do it for people for a cost, you

[1:05:37] know, like they do now with cutting the

[1:05:39] trees and stuff. So that one's red

[1:05:41] because it only it if

[1:05:43] >> on the grant.

[1:05:44] >> If we don't get the grant, then we won't

[1:05:45] do it.

[1:05:46] >> Yeah.

[1:05:46] >> Okay. So then we'll go back to Jod's.

[1:05:48] And this is how we did it as a council,

[1:05:49] too. We kind of skipped the purple

[1:05:51] because we were like, "Oh."

[1:05:53] Um,

[1:05:56] so these are the things that are

[1:05:58] approved. Uh, again, admin, travel,

[1:06:01] conferences,

[1:06:03] book subscriptions, and these are

[1:06:05] different ones, but

[1:06:07] Cura, these are just some of the

[1:06:09] different ones that she has to pay for.

[1:06:12] Um, printer, lease, and computer

[1:06:14] supplies. One of the things a lot of the

[1:06:16] computers and things at the city the

[1:06:19] equipment's really old and so just like

[1:06:22] they're doing with trucks and things

[1:06:23] they want to rotate out

[1:06:26] um you know a couple maybe a couple of

[1:06:28] computers every year um so that they're

[1:06:31] so they'll be only be maybe four or five

[1:06:33] years old instead of 10 or 12 years old.

[1:06:35] They want to just rotate those things.

[1:06:37] >> The new part there, sorry to butt in

[1:06:39] here.

[1:06:40] >> Do it. Um, when we changed over to our

[1:06:43] new IT service provider, he built into

[1:06:47] the savings from our previous IT this

[1:06:50] line item. So, the replacement of two

[1:06:54] computers a year is in the savings plus

[1:06:57] a little bit more with our new IT

[1:07:00] individual.

[1:07:01] >> Our old company that we had before was

[1:07:03] substantially more. So, we're saving a

[1:07:06] lot of money um with the current person

[1:07:10] and that's what we try to do when we

[1:07:11] make these changes is try to make it uh

[1:07:14] more affordable. And then um

[1:07:18] repairs, maintenance to city facilities

[1:07:21] and um I can't remember what exactly cuz

[1:07:25] I was looking. Okay. Oh, it's separate.

[1:07:28] So, that's just various repairs. There's

[1:07:30] a lot of things outside that need to be

[1:07:32] done. There's some windows that leak,

[1:07:33] some flashing that has issues. Um, and

[1:07:37] so they're looking to get those

[1:07:39] repaired.

[1:07:40] >> I would just go back to what we

[1:07:41] discussed earlier about anything over

[1:07:43] 10,000 be broken out a little bit more

[1:07:45] if we can do that.

[1:07:49] » Yeah.

[1:07:51] Polaris and Nebo Interactive, those are

[1:07:54] just

[1:07:54] >> Is that a subscription that you have to

[1:07:56] pay?

[1:07:57] >> Yes. Yeah, it seems pricey for

[1:07:59] >> But Polus is the finance. So that's

[1:08:02] actually two. So this wouldn't be a bad

[1:08:03] idea, Michael, for me to break it out.

[1:08:06] So Polaris is uh the IT system or the

[1:08:11] accounting system. Um and then Neibo

[1:08:15] Interactive is the new IT company. So

[1:08:17] they're around a thousand. Well, they

[1:08:19] they're a thousand. So 12,000 of that is

[1:08:22] >> is the IT system.

[1:08:25] >> IT support. 4,000 for the accounting

[1:08:27] system.

[1:08:28] And he's been here like at city council

[1:08:31] meetings and stuff tweaking things and

[1:08:33] making sure

[1:08:34] >> he lives across the street from Michael

[1:08:35] >> and so he's been here. Yeah, he's great.

[1:08:38] >> Blinds

[1:08:40] >> uh during COVID when uh my husband had

[1:08:42] to be from home from, you know, home

[1:08:45] teaching and uploading and the boys.

[1:08:47] Anyway, he came and got our house set up

[1:08:50] and did a phenomenal job and saved my

[1:08:52] marriage. Um,

[1:08:56] uh, rekey 4,000 you ever spent, huh?

[1:08:58] >> Uhhuh.

[1:09:00] >> Rekey the building and additional door

[1:09:02] locks. Um, there's just it's time to re

[1:09:05] key the building. It's been a long time.

[1:09:07] We don't know who has what keys. There's

[1:09:09] been a lot of change and so, um, I just

[1:09:13] thought that would be a good time. Good

[1:09:14] time. And then the repainting of the

[1:09:17] city. And if you look the flooring, they

[1:09:21] actually asked for more, but we we cut

[1:09:24] it down substantially. So, we approved

[1:09:26] these, but a lesser amount. So, we kind

[1:09:28] of saved these. The

[1:09:29] >> carpet looks good.

[1:09:30] >> Yeah. I just

[1:09:32] >> It's just It's just where the employees

[1:09:34] That section

[1:09:37] >> Yeah. It's fraying on some of the

[1:09:39] doorways and stuff.

[1:09:41] >> So, that's why we said sections. And so

[1:09:43] they think um that they can, you know,

[1:09:45] there's a door that locks that you can't

[1:09:46] get to where the offices are.

[1:09:49] We could get that section carpeted to

[1:09:51] that door and then maybe the next year

[1:09:54] as another section needs it.

[1:09:56] >> So the whole 25,000 isn't approved.

[1:10:00] >> No, it it is. Okay.

[1:10:02] >> But it's only doing

[1:10:03] >> 50.

[1:10:04] >> Not all will come.

[1:10:04] >> It was 50. So we we approved and that's

[1:10:06] up to they probably won't spend all of

[1:10:09] that. Um,

[1:10:12] and then

[1:10:14] the digitizing city records. That was

[1:10:17] something half and half it looks like.

[1:10:19] Front entry mat $500. So if you go to

[1:10:22] the front door, the mat the letters are

[1:10:24] peeling out and it's got duct tape on

[1:10:26] it. It looks really classy.

[1:10:31] We said we wanted that. Um, we did not

[1:10:34] approve, that's why it's in red, the

[1:10:37] failing retaining wall at the city

[1:10:39] center. sit back.

[1:10:45] » We've had two geotechs that have come

[1:10:46] out and looked at it. One's giving us a

[1:10:48] written formal opinion. The other just

[1:10:50] said, "Nah, you still got another five,

[1:10:52] six years at least." So,

[1:10:55] >> we had one person that said it was

[1:10:56] failing. And so, now some people are

[1:10:58] like, "Oh, the wall is going to fall

[1:11:01] down." But, um, but we've had two people

[1:11:04] look at it. So, and then the fridge in

[1:11:08] the kitchen. Replace the fridge in the

[1:11:11] kitchen.

[1:11:12] >> You can is a small fridge.

[1:11:15] >> It's a small fridge.

[1:11:16] >> Say,

[1:11:16] >> it must be for

[1:11:19] >> But it does. It just keeps things

[1:11:20] lukewarm at this point. So, or freezes

[1:11:23] them.

[1:11:23] >> It freezes.

[1:11:24] their lunches. So,

[1:11:25] >> we are We'll probably go to KSL for

[1:11:28] that.

[1:11:28] >> Yeah. They'll get a used one.

[1:11:32] >> Um HVAC repairs.

[1:11:35] So Jody was telling us that uh the AC

[1:11:38] units she has to go outside and fiddle

[1:11:40] with them. Sometimes they they won't

[1:11:42] like it doesn't turn on. So she has to

[1:11:43] go out

[1:11:45] >> if she doesn't get electrocuted.

[1:11:48] >> So um

[1:11:49] >> you rip the fuse out. So

[1:11:51] >> yeah. And then uh we did not approve an

[1:11:55] audio system for in the big room when we

[1:11:58] have meetings. I mean it was a wish

[1:11:59] list, right? This was a wish list and we

[1:12:01] just said no, we're not going to do that

[1:12:02] this time. But um we actually when we've

[1:12:07] had when we have a truth and taxation

[1:12:09] meeting or something in there, we have

[1:12:11] microphones held together with duct tape

[1:12:12] and we borrow some of Ben's personal

[1:12:14] equipment. He brings his personal

[1:12:16] equipment in that we borrow to be able

[1:12:18] to

[1:12:19] >> But even if we had to rent a proper

[1:12:22] system for once or twice a year,

[1:12:25] >> it wouldn't be that expensive. Yeah,

[1:12:27] it's not worth spending. That's why it's

[1:12:29] >> in full disclosure

[1:12:32] and also stores it here. So we just fair

[1:12:36] trade.

[1:12:40] » Okay, that makes it fair.

[1:12:43] >> I'm getting the better end of the deal.

[1:12:44] I'll be honest.

[1:12:46] So the meeting room audio system in here

[1:12:50] um

[1:12:51] you know for Zoom Zoom to Teams that was

[1:12:55] it was requested that it get switched

[1:12:57] from Zoom to Teams

[1:13:01] and that's just the cost to to change

[1:13:03] it.

[1:13:04] >> Yeah.

[1:13:05] >> And the Zoom cost is about $1,000 a year

[1:13:09] and that would be so Teams is included

[1:13:11] in our Microsoft 365 account. So, we're

[1:13:15] spending an additional thousand dollar a

[1:13:16] year for Zoom. So,

[1:13:20] the end of our license, we'll just flip

[1:13:24] to Zoom for an extra 148 and then it

[1:13:26] won't be an ongoing cost.

[1:13:28] >> Flipping to Zoom or you

[1:13:32] >> Yeah, to

[1:13:34] um this one is for bulletproof glass. We

[1:13:37] didn't I don't think we approved all of

[1:13:38] it. Uh we decided to do part of it. Um,

[1:13:42] all the cities are going to this now,

[1:13:44] unfortunately. So, what we decided would

[1:13:47] be the most important is you've got

[1:13:49] Jodie whose windows right there on the

[1:13:51] front. So, anybody that's uh level with

[1:13:54] the parking lot that those windows be

[1:13:57] replaced with some bulletproof glass.

[1:13:59] So, the mayor, you can still take a pot

[1:14:01] shot at the mayor if you think you're a

[1:14:03] good shot from down below cuz he's on

[1:14:04] this side.

[1:14:06] >> Lights on. I mean, heaven forbid. Is he

[1:14:09] replacing the windows or putting on I

[1:14:11] know he sells us a film.

[1:14:13] >> So, we'll probably do a film. Sorry, I

[1:14:16] didn't mean to.

[1:14:17] >> You're good.

[1:14:18] >> Trying to stay so you guys have more

[1:14:19] time.

[1:14:20] >> You know more than I do. So,

[1:14:23] >> I was just curious.

[1:14:25] >> It's not that big a deal.

[1:14:28] >> Okay, perfect.

[1:14:30] >> Yeah, we don't actually that if people

[1:14:33] can listen to this later and

[1:14:35] >> for security purposes. Um and then um

[1:14:38] >> this was already discussed in council

[1:14:40] meeting.

[1:14:40] >> Yes. But carefully

[1:14:42] and then a cabinet shelf for the audio

[1:14:44] equipment in the closet over there. The

[1:14:46] audio equipment is sitting on a piano

[1:14:47] bench.

[1:14:49] So they want to get a rack

[1:14:51] >> and we're thinking you may be selling

[1:14:53] the piano

[1:14:54] and we think we probably need to sell it

[1:14:56] with the bench.

[1:14:57] >> Yeah,

[1:14:58] >> probably. Why do we have a piano here?

[1:15:00] >> Uh Milin, so a lot of like all these

[1:15:03] chairs, you know how they look like

[1:15:04] Relief Society chairs? That's because

[1:15:06] So when they were decommissioning a

[1:15:08] church, Milin,

[1:15:09] >> he just bought the lot.

[1:15:11] >> He brought them and they were donated to

[1:15:13] the city. So

[1:15:14] >> donated them to the city.

[1:15:15] >> All of our chairs, all of our racking,

[1:15:18] um the piano,

[1:15:20] they're all former.

[1:15:21] >> So he needed the bench to put stuff on

[1:15:24] and he got the piano cuz he had to take

[1:15:26] it with the bench.

[1:15:26] >> Yes, pretty much.

[1:15:30] >> The bench was always in the way, so we

[1:15:32] stole it to put the stuff on. So, yeah.

[1:15:36] >> Well, I would imagine you could put that

[1:15:38] on surplus and get a a buyer that'd be

[1:15:41] happy to take it. Even a a resident be

[1:15:43] happy to get

[1:15:44] >> We're going to throw it up on the

[1:15:45] Facebook page first to a resident. So,

[1:15:48] we're looking to sell the piano right

[1:15:50] now for like 500 bucks.

[1:15:51] >> Great.

[1:15:52] >> And so, it's actually a line item.

[1:15:54] >> Can you do you have do you have to go

[1:15:56] through the public surplus sites as

[1:15:59] opposed to just on Facebook Marketplace

[1:16:01] >> or anything over 500? Yes.

[1:16:05] >> Okay.

[1:16:06] >> That might be where I got the number.

[1:16:09] >> That's probably where you got the

[1:16:10] number.

[1:16:11] >> You got the number. Um and then the

[1:16:15] front door locking mechanism. You know

[1:16:16] how you can't open it? It's really hard.

[1:16:18] Um some of our elderly residents can't

[1:16:20] get in.

[1:16:21] >> Or the FedEx and UPS guy.

[1:16:23] >> Yeah, there's that guy, too. They they

[1:16:26] think we're not here. They actually

[1:16:28] won't deliver stuff because they think

[1:16:29] nobody's here. So, um, then repairs to

[1:16:33] the outside of the city center. We kind

[1:16:35] of talked about some of those. Repairs

[1:16:36] to the inside of the city center.

[1:16:39] Um,

[1:16:41] an EMP protector that is for the city,

[1:16:45] >> the for the computer equipment.

[1:16:48] >> Uh, it's a whole building,

[1:16:49] >> a whole building electrical system like

[1:16:52] protection.

[1:16:53] >> It'll protect the city center.

[1:16:56] Um, once

[1:16:59] >> for one hit. It's a one time use.

[1:17:01] >> It'll burn it up.

[1:17:02] >> EMP magnetic pulse

[1:17:06] >> because the the city center is supposed

[1:17:07] to be especially it's supposed to be the

[1:17:10] gathering place, right? If something

[1:17:11] like that were to happen, this is where

[1:17:13] the citizens would come and especially

[1:17:15] like in the winter if there's no heat.

[1:17:17] So, um

[1:17:19] >> but in Oceans 11, they called it a

[1:17:21] pinch.

[1:17:22] >> Yeah.

[1:17:23] >> But 500 bucks, that's just a surge

[1:17:26] protector from a power failure. An EMP

[1:17:29] as in a weaponized thing is not 500

[1:17:31] bucks. It's $500,000.

[1:17:33] >> No, it is. That is uh

[1:17:36] >> it's Aeron's

[1:17:37] >> uh Aaron. So talk to Aaron Gilbert. He's

[1:17:40] our emergency.

[1:17:40] >> I don't want to talk to Aaron Gilbert

[1:17:42] about that crap.

[1:17:43] >> Okay.

[1:17:44] But that's what it is. It'll protect us.

[1:17:46] It'll also protect us from

[1:17:49] >> a surge once as well. So the other

[1:17:52] option we had priced out was a full

[1:17:54] building surge protector.

[1:17:56] >> And that was about 35,000.

[1:17:58] And so we didn't have that much money in

[1:18:00] it. And Aaron said, "Well, you could

[1:18:02] protect the building for 500

[1:18:04] >> for one time."

[1:18:05] >> For a one time use. So

[1:18:07] >> it'll fry it up after that, but it'll

[1:18:09] protect it.

[1:18:10] >> Eron, to your point, yes, we would need

[1:18:13] to put the whole thing in a Faraday

[1:18:14] cage.

[1:18:15] >> Yeah.

[1:18:16] >> To truly protect the entire building.

[1:18:20] But if an EMP goes off

[1:18:23] um and it takes out the grid and the

[1:18:25] grid overloads and starts, that's really

[1:18:30] the type of protector this is.

[1:18:32] >> This is just in line with the main line

[1:18:35] coming in.

[1:18:36] >> So it's I've been told search protector

[1:18:40] is not the correct term and EMP

[1:18:43] protector is more accurate, but it's

[1:18:46] >> kind of similar.

[1:18:47] >> Does it go on the main line? main

[1:18:49] coming.

[1:18:50] >> Yeah, it'll go right in between the main

[1:18:52] line and then our panels right nearly

[1:18:57] below you.

[1:18:58] >> So, you get one surge and it's gone.

[1:19:00] >> Like a fuse.

[1:19:01] >> Yeah, it's like a big fuse.

[1:19:03] >> We'd have to just get a new one. Um, we

[1:19:05] did not approve. You can see it doesn't

[1:19:07] have an X there for replacing the lights

[1:19:09] to LED. I was opposed. LED lights are

[1:19:13] bad for you.

[1:19:14] >> What

[1:19:16] they are?

[1:19:17] >> Uh-huh.

[1:19:18] Um backup generator cable and box. So we

[1:19:23] uh

[1:19:24] >> is that for here or the

[1:19:26] >> for here?

[1:19:27] >> Not the the pump.

[1:19:29] >> We have one there.

[1:19:30] >> Yeah,

[1:19:30] >> we've got one. We already did that one.

[1:19:32] >> So we don't have a generator now.

[1:19:34] >> Not for here.

[1:19:37] >> Just for the water systems.

[1:19:40] >> We'd still have water,

[1:19:42] which is good. If I had to choose

[1:19:44] between having lights on at the city

[1:19:45] center or having water, I'd choose

[1:19:47] water. I think I think that's probably a

[1:19:49] wise investment to have backup

[1:19:52] >> an emergency.

[1:19:53] >> So, you know, that's just the cable in

[1:19:54] the connection box right there.

[1:19:56] >> That's not the actual generator.

[1:19:58] >> The generator. So, Aaron actually

[1:20:00] another Aaron thing Aaron has

[1:20:03] >> a generator that he would it's on wheels

[1:20:06] that he would then bring over and when

[1:20:07] we get to the point where we can buy our

[1:20:09] own generator,

[1:20:11] >> we will still need these two items. So,

[1:20:14] >> but he he'll he would loan it to us.

[1:20:17] >> So, how in the world is just a cable and

[1:20:20] box 30,000 but a generator?

[1:20:24] >> It's a big cable.

[1:20:25] >> Yeah. I mean, this is a big building,

[1:20:29] >> but I can't imagine a little Lowe's

[1:20:33] on wheels generator putting out enough

[1:20:36] power to need a cable in box 40,000.

[1:20:40] This isn't a big Lowe's on wheels.

[1:20:42] >> $60,000 cat generator.

[1:20:45] >> It's on big wheels.

[1:20:47] >> It's It actually used to be the city's

[1:20:49] generator acquired by Corbett uh in a

[1:20:53] surplus cell at some point. When Ted

[1:20:56] came on, we deemed that repairing it

[1:20:59] would cost around $10,000.

[1:21:01] So, we put it up on surplus where Aaron

[1:21:04] actually then bid on it and won it and

[1:21:06] then spent the 10,000 and got it rebuilt

[1:21:08] by Caterpillar. and now has it and then

[1:21:12] is offering it in the case of an

[1:21:14] emergency

[1:21:15] >> cuz he's our emergency management guy.

[1:21:18] >> So it's Would it sit here or would it he

[1:21:21] just keep it at his home and bring it

[1:21:22] here?

[1:21:23] >> Keep it at his home. His home's right

[1:21:25] there.

[1:21:26] >> But what's the point of him having it

[1:21:29] but planning to give it to the city when

[1:21:31] it's

[1:21:31] >> Well, he would loan it.

[1:21:32] >> That's That's a buy one yet.

[1:21:35] >> But when it's needed, why is he going to

[1:21:37] say, "I don't I'm not going to use it

[1:21:38] for my house. going to take care of the

[1:21:40] city.

[1:21:40] >> Too big for his house.

[1:21:43] >> So then why don't we just buy it back?

[1:21:46] >> Uh

[1:21:48] >> yeah,

[1:21:48] >> that is an option.

[1:21:49] >> That's a good question

[1:21:51] >> because he's willing to loan it right

[1:21:52] now.

[1:21:53] >> So if we bought it back, it would be an

[1:21:55] additional line item to this obviously

[1:21:58] and that 30,000 would still be required.

[1:22:01] >> Sure. But if we need backup power for

[1:22:03] the city center, which is a a critical

[1:22:05] infrastructure piece, then we should get

[1:22:07] it, not just leave it at Aaron's house

[1:22:09] and hope he'll wheel it over when we

[1:22:10] need it.

[1:22:11] >> We haven't ever needed it yet.

[1:22:14] >> No, we have Well,

[1:22:15] >> but

[1:22:15] >> there have been a couple times when

[1:22:17] backup power to the city building would

[1:22:19] have been helpful. Uh we actually lost a

[1:22:21] big I don't know, Michael, were you here

[1:22:23] on when we had a emergency call?

[1:22:26] >> Um and there was power out.

[1:22:28] >> I didn't go out. That's when they busted

[1:22:30] the door.

[1:22:30] >> Yeah. Yeah,

[1:22:31] >> because the door came slid down a little

[1:22:33] bit

[1:22:34] >> and the fire truck came out, took off

[1:22:36] the bottom panel of the garage door,

[1:22:38] which is dangerous for our

[1:22:40] >> Was that

[1:22:41] >> That wasn't too long ago. That was

[1:22:43] three, four, four years ago.

[1:22:45] >> Yeah, I remember when.

[1:22:46] >> So,

[1:22:47] >> it was strange cuz our up here very

[1:22:49] often.

[1:22:50] >> My thought would be

[1:22:52] >> there's no point in having a cable and

[1:22:53] box if we don't have a generator to

[1:22:55] connect it to. We either buy the full

[1:22:57] system or we don't spend any money on

[1:22:58] any of Well, the cable and box makes us

[1:23:00] we could also there are a couple in the

[1:23:03] state, right, that are emergency ones

[1:23:04] that

[1:23:05] >> but everybody would be scrambling for

[1:23:07] them. There are other ones, but we can't

[1:23:09] even borrow those without the 30,000 for

[1:23:11] the cable and box. So, the cable and box

[1:23:14] is so that we have the ability

[1:23:16] >> plug in to plug one in,

[1:23:17] >> plug a generator in. Yeah.

[1:23:18] >> Without the 30,000, we don't even have

[1:23:20] that ability.

[1:23:22] >> Yeah. So, right now it's I would say

[1:23:24] leave this in. We buy this this year and

[1:23:27] then budget year 2028.

[1:23:29] What's budget in?

[1:23:31] >> So isition of agend is this all with an

[1:23:34] electrician putting it in?

[1:23:36] >> This is with Alan Wakefield. Yeah.

[1:23:37] >> And making it work for us.

[1:23:39] >> Yep. 100%. That's why that number is

[1:23:42] also larger than what we might assume

[1:23:44] with just a cable in box.

[1:23:45] >> Yeah.

[1:23:48] >> Um and then I should have got one. Is

[1:23:50] the council ready room open? New chairs

[1:23:52] for the council ready room. Does anyone

[1:23:54] object to that? Would you like me to get

[1:23:55] you one?

[1:23:56] >> I don't even know the council ready

[1:23:57] room.

[1:23:58] >> You end up wearing the chair.

[1:24:00] >> It's peeling off so badly that the chair

[1:24:02] ends up all over you. And when we have

[1:24:05] people come, visitors, it's a conference

[1:24:07] room right there that we meet in and the

[1:24:10] chairs are so bad they're falling apart.

[1:24:13] Um, is it open? I think we have one.

[1:24:17] >> I'm I'm going to say that that's not a

[1:24:19] good and not a fair price because I'm

[1:24:21] just I just got

[1:24:25] Um, I've got a whole lot of chairs that

[1:24:28] I'm trying to get rid of and they're

[1:24:29] only giving me 30 bucks a chair.

[1:24:31] >> What kind of chairs?

[1:24:34] >> These are um waiting room chairs for our

[1:24:38] clinic. And I called our our office

[1:24:40] supply dealer and I said, "This person's

[1:24:43] giving me pennies on the dollar for what

[1:24:45] we bought these from you for." And he

[1:24:47] said, "Because the used office furniture

[1:24:51] market is flooded right now with so much

[1:24:54] stuff coming in from California."

[1:24:58] >> Yeah, they're pretty bad.

[1:24:59] >> Yeah, man. I I whole agree. We should

[1:25:02] replace those chairs.

[1:25:03] >> Let's

[1:25:04] >> But I don't think you need to spend

[1:25:05] 1,600 bucks.

[1:25:06] >> Send that contact information to Jody,

[1:25:08] please.

[1:25:09] >> How many chairs do you need?

[1:25:10] >> I think it's six or eight.

[1:25:12] >> Three.

[1:25:12] >> Six or eight?

[1:25:13] >> Oh, six or eight. Okay. It's a

[1:25:15] conference room, so they're conference

[1:25:17] room chairs. And we'll have, you know,

[1:25:20] Mike Mccel here or somebody and for a

[1:25:23] meeting. And

[1:25:24] >> I say leave these in there. Then

[1:25:26] >> just put Mike's name Mike's chair and

[1:25:30] then everybody else can have nice ones.

[1:25:32] I'm just kidding. Mike,

[1:25:33] >> that's a joke. Don't listen to this

[1:25:36] Mike.

[1:25:37] >> All right. Um,

[1:25:40] any contacts though for anything cheaper

[1:25:41] I think is good. Yeah, we're always game

[1:25:44] for that.

[1:25:45] >> So, this is a water line in the old

[1:25:48] public works bay request for washing the

[1:25:50] snowplow vehicles.

[1:25:51] >> That's here, right down below?

[1:25:53] >> Mhm.

[1:25:53] >> Yeah, I think that

[1:25:55] >> that's probably

[1:25:55] >> Don't they already have something down

[1:25:56] there?

[1:25:57] >> Be a must.

[1:25:59] >> Isn't there something down there

[1:26:00] already, Ben, for washing out the

[1:26:02] >> uh Yes. So,

[1:26:04] >> they probably drag a

[1:26:05] >> in this bay here where sits. Yep. Uh,

[1:26:10] that one does have a hose bib close. The

[1:26:13] other hose bib that we use for this bay

[1:26:15] in front of us out the front is hooked

[1:26:19] up over here. And so it runs the hose

[1:26:21] runs all the way up and coils up at the

[1:26:23] front and so we're always

[1:26:26] trying to have to jump through and trip

[1:26:28] and

[1:26:29] >> that. It's a wise investment

[1:26:31] >> because there's two in the in the fire

[1:26:34] engine bay too, right?

[1:26:36] >> Yep. that are cuz I think I used one of

[1:26:38] those once when I was on the crew.

[1:26:40] >> Yeah. So you might So there is power

[1:26:42] washer reels. This power rasher reel is

[1:26:46] broken. It doesn't work anymore.

[1:26:48] >> Okay.

[1:26:48] >> And so we've also found that just a hose

[1:26:51] speeds us up exponentially in cleaning

[1:26:53] those strings. So

[1:26:57] that was a request from our snowplow

[1:27:00] head lead.

[1:27:02] So, that's the uh we had some good

[1:27:04] suggestions since you're still sitting

[1:27:06] here, Ben.

[1:27:07] >> Um Aaron, do you want to talk to him

[1:27:09] about how to show council and mayor

[1:27:11] wages?

[1:27:12] >> Well, Ben, were you ever able to find

[1:27:14] the $700,000

[1:27:16] >> 690?

[1:27:17] >> I'm answer

[1:27:18] this is I'm still trying to figure out

[1:27:21] which option

[1:27:24] >> of the million

[1:27:26] >> that $4,000 investment in Polaris. We

[1:27:28] need to invest more.

[1:27:31] Yeah. Well,

[1:27:33] Ben needs to just do some training.

[1:27:36] >> Lori is the one who usually run this

[1:27:39] runs this with me. So,

[1:27:41] >> she probably shows you click here, go

[1:27:43] there.

[1:27:43] >> Exactly.

[1:27:45] >> We're just we're we're wanting anything

[1:27:47] with five digits or more good

[1:27:49] explanation on what those funds are

[1:27:51] going for.

[1:27:52] >> I love it. Have you had that in the

[1:27:53] past?

[1:27:54] >> Not really.

[1:27:55] >> No.

[1:27:55] >> Okay, perfect. No, I I think what we

[1:27:59] said is historically you'd ask a

[1:28:00] question and Chris would spout off an

[1:28:02] answer and whether we whether it made

[1:28:04] sense or not, that was the answer. And

[1:28:06] then remember when you look back at it

[1:28:09] later and you go, I don't know if that's

[1:28:11] right.

[1:28:11] >> Yeah.

[1:28:12] >> If we have it all in a notes section at

[1:28:15] the end,

[1:28:16] >> there are good notes.

[1:28:17] >> So if you look at like n line 16 here,

[1:28:19] right?

[1:28:20] >> Right.

[1:28:20] >> Uh it's 10,000 for repaint the inside of

[1:28:23] the city center.

[1:28:24] >> That you're good with, right? You're

[1:28:27] talking these. So if you flip to the

[1:28:29] other tab there, J.

[1:28:30] >> It's this one.

[1:28:32] >> So if we go into for instance, I assume

[1:28:35] if I can understand it, you probably can

[1:28:37] understand it as well. Is that a fairly

[1:28:41] >> safe assumption? You know, because the assumption is not only is this for

[1:28:46] the council and mayor and finance

[1:28:48] committee, but for the public to see

[1:28:49] these documents. So they can see out

[1:28:52] there in column J, column K, this is

[1:28:55] what this is because as we have

[1:28:57] discovered the account description col

[1:29:00] line is not always very accurate.

[1:29:03] >> It rarely is.

[1:29:06] >> This is what this is.

[1:29:08] >> Okay. So, you know, some of these

[1:29:10] though, like right there. So, line 209

[1:29:13] 4410

[1:29:15] uh.72, right? 580,000 principal. So, if

[1:29:19] you slide over, uh we're budgeting

[1:29:22] 61,000. That's that's a loan repayment.

[1:29:26] >> That one you don't doesn't need

[1:29:27] explanation.

[1:29:28] >> But, but what's 580,000?

[1:29:30] >> That is the the the the bond.

[1:29:33] >> What bond

[1:29:34] >> that was taken out. So, you're wanting

[1:29:36] what is the bond?

[1:29:38] road bond.

[1:29:38] >> Yeah. If I'm a brand new road bond

[1:29:40] >> city resident that wants to look at this

[1:29:42] and I go, "What's 580,000?" It could

[1:29:44] just say there city road bond 2020

[1:29:50] principal remaining or principal

[1:29:51] payments for this year.

[1:29:53] >> Thank you. That's what I need.

[1:29:54] >> Here's one thing. So when we run the

[1:29:57] reports,

[1:30:00] » we've always created these for you,

[1:30:03] >> right? Um

[1:30:05] >> these are breakout reports. These are

[1:30:06] break well they're breakout reports as I

[1:30:10] went in and clicked on each one and

[1:30:11] pulled them out and extrapolated it and

[1:30:13] all that.

[1:30:14] >> Yeah, these are in here. And I will look

[1:30:16] I'll work with Polaris to see if we

[1:30:18] can't get a better breakout.

[1:30:21] >> And it may be as I'm thinking through it

[1:30:24] support on accounting systems there is a

[1:30:28] sub description when I doubleclick on

[1:30:30] the account the chart of accounts to

[1:30:32] give us that and getting that out into

[1:30:36] this format may be difficult.

[1:30:39] Um, yeah.

[1:30:40] >> So, finding some way that

[1:30:43] >> there's some way that the public can

[1:30:45] have access even if it's not all shown

[1:30:47] on one document.

[1:30:49] >> Well, and I'm happy.

[1:30:50] >> So, just a question, Ben, on those notes

[1:30:53] and and column J. Are those things you

[1:30:55] added after the fact or does that

[1:30:57] >> those are myself, Ted, Jody?

[1:30:59] >> Okay.

[1:31:00] >> Predominantly column J is

[1:31:02] >> it's not coming from the system. It's

[1:31:04] not stored in the system. No, this was

[1:31:06] me for the purpose of the budget

[1:31:08] process.

[1:31:09] >> Sure.

[1:31:10] >> Um,

[1:31:10] >> that makes sense.

[1:31:11] >> I also don't, like I said, I I don't

[1:31:14] want this document necessarily

[1:31:17] uh easily accessible by the public right

[1:31:19] now because it's a working draft.

[1:31:21] >> So, it's not a final. When the final,

[1:31:23] we'll we'll put it out

[1:31:27] >> and I know I'm on the record here and

[1:31:28] that's fine.

[1:31:32] I don't necessarily need every single

[1:31:35] expenditure

[1:31:37] uh Monday Night Quarterback, right, by

[1:31:39] everybody who's got a platform

[1:31:43] >> axe to grind.

[1:31:44] >> Um and so that's kind of another reason

[1:31:47] that there are a higher level

[1:31:50] categories.

[1:31:52] Um but I do also want to be as

[1:31:55] transparent as possible. Um, I spend a

[1:31:59] great deal of my time right now just

[1:32:01] trying to answer a lot of questions by

[1:32:04] anybody with one and I'm always going to

[1:32:06] be happy to do that.

[1:32:08] >> Well, I think having that out there

[1:32:09] would help even the council because even

[1:32:11] as we're going through asking Janet, knew the answers less than she

[1:32:19] there's more times she couldn't answer a

[1:32:21] question than she could.

[1:32:22] >> Well, because it was what what is

[1:32:24] everything in there? And I'm like, I

[1:32:25] don't know what every

[1:32:26] >> but if all of those things were lined

[1:32:28] out to say that's what principal sale

[1:32:29] use tax revenue refunding bond is,

[1:32:33] >> but

[1:32:33] >> we wouldn't have to spend 20 minutes

[1:32:35] hunting this down every time that

[1:32:36] question asked

[1:32:38] doesn't make any sense.

[1:32:40] >> Amen.

[1:32:40] >> I have a butt because people already

[1:32:42] think that our budget is way too complex

[1:32:45] and if we get a ton of ton more detail,

[1:32:47] it's going to make it even more complex.

[1:32:49] I mean, I'm just saying we have that

[1:32:50] complaint. We had candidates who

[1:32:53] couldn't understand the budget and they

[1:32:55] said it was and I agree it took me a

[1:32:58] while and I don't still don't know I

[1:33:00] don't know complete detail of what goes

[1:33:02] into every category necessarily.

[1:33:04] >> I think the biggest thing is is

[1:33:06] currently without a finance director

[1:33:08] nobody knows the answers to these

[1:33:10] questions.

[1:33:10] >> They they do. If if Lori was here she

[1:33:13] could give you the answer. Jody does.

[1:33:16] >> Okay. So for purposes of well let let me

[1:33:21] maybe phrase it that way this way then

[1:33:23] if we're going to have a finance

[1:33:24] committee meeting we need somebody that

[1:33:26] knows the finances present

[1:33:28] >> with all due respect to Janet.

[1:33:30] >> Well um having Lori or Jod here would be

[1:33:34] very helpful since Chris is not

[1:33:36] >> well and another aspect of it is compile

[1:33:39] your questions right and we can get you

[1:33:41] the answers. I've been writing I've been

[1:33:43] making notes,

[1:33:44] >> right? So, we can still get you all the

[1:33:46] answers because I I wanted this because

[1:33:49] I thought, you know, if I give this all

[1:33:51] to you guys in a week in advance, right?

[1:33:52] And then you guys can sit there and then

[1:33:55] we get here and then it's it's more of a

[1:33:58] Q&A. Um,

[1:34:02] and we could do the same thing on the

[1:34:03] back end, right? And so, and I still had

[1:34:06] to figure out and timing and all that

[1:34:07] fun stuff

[1:34:08] >> cuz we still have till June. Like, we're

[1:34:09] not

[1:34:10] >> we're way ahead of the ball on this.

[1:34:11] Yeah.

[1:34:12] >> Um because I do, and I want this very

[1:34:15] clear, I do want you guys asking all the

[1:34:18] questions. I want you to know that we'll

[1:34:21] get you the answers. Um and we will

[1:34:24] never have another finance director

[1:34:26] under my administration. We will have a

[1:34:28] bookkeeper. We will have But we we are

[1:34:34] the smallest city with a finance

[1:34:36] director. Spanish Fork just two years

[1:34:39] ago finally got a finance director

[1:34:42] um due to the complexities of what they

[1:34:44] were doing.

[1:34:44] >> I didn't just answer my question, Jenn.

[1:34:48] >> Oh, good. Oh, really?

[1:34:50] >> Was Chris's termination voluntary or

[1:34:52] involuntary?

[1:34:54] >> I said that I couldn't employee.

[1:34:58] >> Yes.

[1:35:04] » Involuntary. Well, I think the next step

[1:35:06] then is um probably

[1:35:11] we've got to have budgets done by when

[1:35:15] are your deadlines?

[1:35:17] >> I have those. Did I email those to you a

[1:35:20] while ago?

[1:35:20] >> The deadlines.

[1:35:21] >> Mhm. The budget process.

[1:35:23] >> There was there was a there's a

[1:35:24] timeline.

[1:35:25] >> I will dig that up. Add that to your

[1:35:28] notes.

[1:35:28] >> If you did, I don't remember it.

[1:35:30] >> Okay. I'll I'll get it. I have the full

[1:35:31] timeline broken out when the public

[1:35:34] hearings are, the council meetings, all

[1:35:36] >> I have it somewhere. I have it, don't I?

[1:35:37] >> I wrote it all down, documented it, and

[1:35:39] threw it away.

[1:35:40] >> So, when would you like us to meet next?

[1:35:43] Do you think

[1:35:46] » as soon as you guys would like to

[1:35:48] because we will get you all the

[1:35:50] questions that you generate from this

[1:35:52] meeting plus whatever you email to us.

[1:35:55] I'll get you all those answers.

[1:35:57] >> What do you think? And then

[1:35:59] >> what do you think?

[1:36:01] >> Well, when we started, we started going

[1:36:05] down line by line asking a lot of

[1:36:06] questions. Jen's like, "We don't have

[1:36:08] time to go through all of those."

[1:36:09] >> Well, I just said, "I can't do all these

[1:36:11] pages because we'll be here."

[1:36:12] >> And she didn't know the answers to a lot

[1:36:14] of them. Um, fair enough. And so we

[1:36:16] said, "Well, what were the instructions

[1:36:18] that Ben gave us to do?" So then we

[1:36:20] looked at just the areas that Ben wanted

[1:36:22] us to look at.

[1:36:23] >> You went through the blue column, right?

[1:36:25] >> We did. And there was only a small

[1:36:27] handful of them as opposed to

[1:36:28] >> two of them were

[1:36:30] uh wages

[1:36:33] >> payroll related.

[1:36:34] >> All of them I think were payroll ones

[1:36:35] that you had noted for us to look at.

[1:36:37] >> Yeah. On this tab and then the entire

[1:36:40] variable

[1:36:41] >> request. Right. Most of So the way I

[1:36:44] structured this was I wanted to not go

[1:36:47] line by line in the council meeting or

[1:36:48] we would have been there forever.

[1:36:50] >> Uh there's the fixed costs I call them. I'm

[1:36:55] using accounting terms for

[1:36:57] non-accounting purposes. Fixed costs

[1:36:59] that are locked down. We're obligated to

[1:37:01] pay that

[1:37:01] >> like the interest expense that was

[1:37:03] approved and decided years ago.

[1:37:05] >> We're we're bound.

[1:37:05] >> We can't say we don't like that. We

[1:37:07] don't want to pay it.

[1:37:08] >> You know, it's our transfer station

[1:37:10] dues. Uh animal show. I just carved all

[1:37:14] those out and threw them over here. So

[1:37:16] that on the council meeting, we went

[1:37:17] through the variable requests. Variable

[1:37:20] meaning the council has the opinion of

[1:37:23] whether we do them or not. Yeah,

[1:37:24] >> I included snow plowing in there.

[1:37:28] >> It's high priority, but that way what my

[1:37:31] goal was is I wanted the council to

[1:37:34] dictate the financial priorities of the

[1:37:36] city. In the past, the financial

[1:37:40] priorities of the city had been

[1:37:42] presented to the council with similar

[1:37:45] questions you guys have raised today.

[1:37:48] And we were kind of instructed to I'm being probably too up transparent

[1:37:54] right now for a public meeting, but

[1:37:55] we're going after it anyway.

[1:37:58] We were given enough information

[1:38:01] to feel mostly good with our vote. I'm

[1:38:04] speaking for myself as a former council

[1:38:06] member, but not enough to actually know

[1:38:10] where we really were.

[1:38:11] >> It was a mystery.

[1:38:12] >> I wanted the council to dictate the

[1:38:15] priorities of the purse.

[1:38:18] My job as the chief executive of our

[1:38:20] city is to execute the priorities the

[1:38:24] council demands,

[1:38:27] not to dictate the priorities, have them

[1:38:31] incit and then me execute it. I am

[1:38:34] trying my best to divest

[1:38:37] all usurped authority

[1:38:40] by the executive

[1:38:43] to the council. supposed to be a council

[1:38:45] strong mayor weak setup, but it hasn't

[1:38:48] been that way. The mayors have kind of

[1:38:51] dictated

[1:38:53] uh in the past

[1:38:55] >> where the council has asked for

[1:38:56] something and the mayor just says no,

[1:38:57] I'm not going to do that.

[1:38:58] >> So my question then is when do we meet

[1:39:00] again?

[1:39:02] When when when

[1:39:04] is the budget due?

[1:39:07] >> The budget due is in

[1:39:10] I think it's the end of May.

[1:39:14] is when it is the final.

[1:39:15] >> So, we should probably meet in a month.

[1:39:17] >> Yeah. So, so we've given some direction

[1:39:20] back on what notes Janet's taken. Those

[1:39:23] will go to you, mayor, or to the

[1:39:26] >> probably all three.

[1:39:28] >> They'll go to me. I'll then input them

[1:39:30] and I'll get you guys answers.

[1:39:32] >> Okay.

[1:39:33] >> Um with Lori and J or Jod. Um

[1:39:37] like the 690 that I'm incompetent on our

[1:39:40] software here. I know I've asked the

[1:39:44] question as well. I know there's a

[1:39:46] logical reason as to why it's there.

[1:39:48] >> Well, it's just wild that it

[1:39:49] >> it's a grant of some sort.

[1:39:51] >> 84 84 87 90690.

[1:39:54] >> I feel like Ted explained that and I

[1:39:56] don't remember what he said about it.

[1:39:58] >> I'm not sure if it's the UD do grant.

[1:40:00] So, the community development team

[1:40:02] that's been working on the general plan,

[1:40:04] >> but that doesn't see I think that was

[1:40:06] 100 grand. So, it wasn't the 690. That's

[1:40:08] the piece I'm not sure of.

[1:40:10] >> Okay. But it's a grant of some sort

[1:40:12] there. And I just need to figure out

[1:40:14] which one it is.

[1:40:15] >> But this is an expenditure. So

[1:40:17] >> correct, it's the expenditure of the

[1:40:18] grant funds.

[1:40:20] >> Okay.

[1:40:20] >> And so the revenue is up in the revenue

[1:40:22] section.

[1:40:24] >> Um but I will go through that. So to

[1:40:26] answer your question in an extremely

[1:40:28] bloated long formed way, I apologize.

[1:40:32] I think my recommendation would be you

[1:40:34] guys meet again soon, uh, 2 3 weeks or

[1:40:38] so, and then plan to meet again after I

[1:40:42] receive the final, um, tax rate that the

[1:40:47] county assigns to us that way. Cuz right

[1:40:50] now, these revenues,

[1:40:51] >> you have some real numbers.

[1:40:53] >> These revenues are all estimates, right?

[1:40:56] They're conservative, lowbal estimates.

[1:41:00] Uh you'll probably notice that

[1:41:03] I have really only put over the tax

[1:41:06] collected number from what we've already

[1:41:09] collected this year across and over

[1:41:13] >> past year collections.

[1:41:15] >> There'll be some come in.

[1:41:16] >> Um and so I'm trying to go nice and

[1:41:19] conservative so that we don't have any

[1:41:20] big gotchas that we have to then cut

[1:41:22] stuff.

[1:41:22] >> We every year we have to do this. We

[1:41:24] don't know what the revenue is going to

[1:41:25] be, but we have to figure out the budget

[1:41:27] best we can. So, so I like the way if

[1:41:31] we'd have read if we'd had Mike read

[1:41:33] your instructions first, we would have

[1:41:34] saved a lot of time. But so the next

[1:41:37] meeting, the purpose of that meeting

[1:41:39] will be to what? What will we be

[1:41:41] reviewing and helping to give input on?

[1:41:44] >> Uh your guys' in my opinion, my

[1:41:47] recommendation would be for whatever you

[1:41:49] guys study and find more questions on.

[1:41:51] >> Okay. Okay. Um, I'd be more than happy

[1:41:54] to also um request Lori not come in one

[1:41:58] day um on time, come a few hours late

[1:42:02] and then plan to come and join your

[1:42:04] finance committee meeting.

[1:42:06] >> Um,

[1:42:07] >> and that way you'd have that responsive.

[1:42:10] >> Yeah.

[1:42:11] >> Well, that's good. So, I would think we

[1:42:13] ought to meet probably the end of April.

[1:42:15] >> But is our intent then to go through the

[1:42:18] entire budget? I would say go through

[1:42:21] your questions.

[1:42:22] >> Well, so many of our questions is we

[1:42:25] don't know what this means.

[1:42:27] >> I think we can submit those questions.

[1:42:28] >> Submit the questions to me.

[1:42:30] >> Yeah.

[1:42:30] >> And we'll go through them. I want the

[1:42:32] question I want your questions cuz I

[1:42:35] want to optimize the value of your time

[1:42:36] because you guys are are being paid even

[1:42:38] less than me, which is really sad on

[1:42:40] your part. Sorry, guys.

[1:42:43] But really what you're looking at is I

[1:42:46] want your questions not to be what's in

[1:42:48] this

[1:42:51] >> send their email or just

[1:42:54] >> Well, I'm going to send you the budget

[1:42:55] that the mayor sent me with your

[1:42:57] >> You have the You have the hard copy.

[1:42:59] >> I'll send that over to you.

[1:43:00] >> The hard copy didn't match that. So, I'm

[1:43:02] going to wait for the electronic

[1:43:03] version. You can

[1:43:04] >> So, it matches just the notes got cut

[1:43:07] off is is what didn't match.

[1:43:09] >> Some of the notes were different. Some

[1:43:10] of the numbers and the shading of boxes

[1:43:13] didn't match up.

[1:43:15] >> That's disconcerting because I printed

[1:43:17] it from this document.

[1:43:18] >> Yeah, I think they did match.

[1:43:20] >> Well, either way, you'll have this

[1:43:21] document.

[1:43:22] >> Yeah, I prefer electronic documents

[1:43:23] anyway.

[1:43:24] >> Yeah, I'll send them to you.

[1:43:26] >> Ask your questions that are uh super

[1:43:31] high level. What is in this $690,000?

[1:43:34] Right? And then I can start breaking

[1:43:36] those things out um for each of you. And

[1:43:39] that way you don't have to ask that in

[1:43:40] this meeting unless you still have

[1:43:43] questions as to the substance. I want

[1:43:46] you to be able to ask substance

[1:43:47] questions instead of just inquiry

[1:43:50] questions um in your meeting next time.

[1:43:54] >> That makes sense. Perfect.

[1:43:59] » Tuesday night? Is that the best night

[1:44:02] for every

[1:44:03] >> It doesn't matter to me. I think I'm

[1:44:05] different for me.

[1:44:06] >> The the first because council's second

[1:44:10] and fourth.

[1:44:12] >> So what about May 5th?

[1:44:14] >> I think I'm okay.

[1:44:15] >> It is Cinco de Mayo, but I can have

[1:44:17] tacos first and then come here.

[1:44:21] >> That's Tuesday.

[1:44:22] >> That's a Tuesday night.

[1:44:23] >> I can do that. Tuesday is my only free

[1:44:24] evening.

[1:44:25] >> So Tuesday is a good night for you,

[1:44:26] Mike. Erin, are you good on that shift?

[1:44:29] >> Yeah.

[1:44:30] >> And Tim, you're good. Okay. Then we'll

[1:44:33] uh

[1:44:34] >> next meeting

[1:44:35] >> set our next meeting date for the 5th of

[1:44:38] May

[1:44:40] 7:00 right here. And if we could have

[1:44:42] Lori in here that would be

[1:44:44] >> it will have to be Lori instead of me

[1:44:48] >> and I can also plan to join if that I

[1:44:51] won't be here.

[1:44:51] >> You're not going to be here but

[1:44:53] >> but they can do it. It's fine.

[1:44:55] >> Is that so there's some sort of conflict

[1:44:57] of interest or just you're not available

[1:44:58] that night?

[1:44:59] >> I'll be in Kawaii.

[1:45:00] >> Okay. There's a conflict of interest.

[1:45:04] >> I didn't know if there was something

[1:45:05] about council member and staff member

[1:45:07] can't be explaining finan I'll be in

[1:45:10] Kawaii.

[1:45:11] >> That was the same conflict of interest I

[1:45:12] had in the last council meeting.

[1:45:16] >> Ray will in this meeting then

[1:45:21] >> can you send this document also?

[1:45:23] >> It's t

[1:45:26] perfect. Thank you.

[1:45:27] >> I'm I'll send you the whole document

[1:45:28] that I received. Thank you, sir.

[1:45:30] Awesome.

[1:45:33] You don't want the paper?

[1:45:36] >> I'll do it tonight.

[1:45:40] >> Thank you.

[1:45:41] >> Do you have Mike's email?

[1:45:44] >> Make sure you have

[1:45:45] >> I do. I have Mike's. You got my email,

[1:45:47] didn't you?

[1:45:49] >> Happy.

[1:45:50] >> Yes. Yes, I did. Setting this.

[1:45:52] >> Happy something. I can't. Happy dad.

Finance Committee Meeting April 7 2026

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