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[3:50] so

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[5:45] just just let them know that we're

[5:46] waiting on a council member

[5:49] patrick and

[5:53] to be in person so we'll start in about

[5:56] um

[5:57] seven eight minutes

[5:59] okay

[6:04] hi

[6:04] everybody chad i'm on i'm in jack's

[6:06] office on her line

[6:09] and

[6:10] it looks like the video is not

[6:12] sustainable with this connection so

[6:14] sorry about that

[6:16] hello

[6:52] um

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[14:35] so

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[17:30] i'm called to order for tonight monday

[17:32] august 16th 2021.

[17:34] miss michael can you please complete the

[17:36] roll call

[17:44] for

[17:55] here

[18:00] president

[18:03] your audio is not working properly we

[18:05] have one resolution for a roll call this

[18:07] evening if the clerk can please read

[18:09] item number one

[18:22] annual action plan budget and

[18:24] authorizing the mayor to enter the

[18:26] contract for the better community

[18:28] neighborhoods incorporated to provide

[18:31] 256 000 of home funds for the elmar

[18:34] gardens project

[18:37] i need i need a motion to put this on

[18:38] the floor

[18:39] so i can

[18:41] i any discussion

[18:45] go ahead please

[18:47] so um i'm glad you're here tonight to be

[18:49] able to move forward

[18:51] and i also want to

[18:54] just

[18:54] to thank i'm going to say chad kilmore

[18:57] specifically

[18:58] and making sure that the community voice

[19:00] was included in what was being

[19:02] considered here and making sure there

[19:04] was also an understanding of the benefit

[19:07] of doing this particular project was

[19:09] that it would not just be for this

[19:11] project but to benefit a larger part of

[19:14] this particular neighborhood and also

[19:16] going forward how um the leverage will

[19:19] fund that and leverage or do other

[19:21] projects within the city and

[19:22] specifically um my history was the nrsa

[19:25] area so um i just want to say thank you

[19:28] to vcni and also the um

[19:31] chair for

[19:32] chad gilbert and for mr rutabara as well

[19:36] and other council members that we were

[19:37] able to work through this to come to

[19:39] agreement to

[19:40] understand the concerns that we're being

[19:43] uh that were being brought forward and

[19:45] also to be awarded those concerns that

[19:47] so that together um as a community

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[19:59] thank you any other discussion

[20:06] that's michael please complete the roll

[20:08] call

[20:24] yes

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[20:35] yes

[20:36] the item is passed

[20:38] five to nil

[20:39] we have a motion to adjourn

[20:41] second

[20:42] all in favor we are adjourned

[20:50] and we'll move into our regular city

[20:52] council meeting from monday august the

[20:54] 16th and we'll go straight into health

[20:57] and recreation miss

[21:01] um patrick asked mr daley to come this

[21:05] evening to give us an update on how the

[21:06] golf course has been going for the

[21:08] summer um

[21:27] good evening everybody it's nice to see

[21:29] all of you

[21:30] um

[21:32] i decided to i think would be a good

[21:34] idea to bring our core superintendent

[21:35] mike sesney down with us

[21:37] as i'm not sure that

[21:39] if you haven't met him

[21:41] this is an opportunity for you to meet

[21:43] him

[21:44] i give you updates on the course often

[21:46] but

[21:47] to be quite honest with you mike is

[21:49] really

[21:50] the main reason why that golf course is

[21:52] where it is

[21:53] his countless efforts getting that

[21:55] course in the condition that it is in

[21:57] you know he deserves to be recognized

[21:59] and

[22:00] he has a few things that he wanted to

[22:02] speak of in addition to what i have

[22:05] and i thought it would be of interest to

[22:06] you to hear what he has to say

[22:10] so moving forward you know the state of

[22:11] the golf industry

[22:13] uh is very healthy it's incredible what

[22:17] the pandemic has done for the golf

[22:18] industry because there was talk for a

[22:20] long period of time that you know

[22:22] numbers were down nationally and so

[22:24] forth

[22:26] but i can tell you that the national

[22:27] golf foundation which creates all

[22:29] statistical categories for players in

[22:32] golf

[22:33] that's men women juniors and so forth

[22:37] those numbers are considerably up so for

[22:40] an example

[22:43] in 2020

[22:44] overall play was up two percent

[22:47] which is the biggest net increase in 17

[22:50] years

[22:51] and the mayor and i often talk about

[22:52] this that's the tiger woods effect when

[22:54] he came into the scene

[22:56] golf boomed and then it kind of lulled

[22:59] now it came up again

[23:00] um

[23:02] people asked why the increase well last

[23:04] year golf was one of the few things that

[23:06] you could actually do outside golfers

[23:09] practice you know social distancing

[23:11] aspects

[23:13] and we were able to create a nice safe

[23:15] haven for golfers when they came to our

[23:17] facility and it showed by the numbers

[23:19] that we were able to create last year

[23:23] another impressive statistical category

[23:25] increase was in the women's end of

[23:27] things

[23:28] there's a 20 20 percent increase in

[23:31] overall women's statistics

[23:33] probably the largest of all of them when

[23:36] you look at juniors saw 3.1 million golfers in 2020

[23:42] 30 percent of those were girls

[23:44] as compared to 15 percent in the year

[23:46] 2000

[23:47] and over 25 percent of the juniors that

[23:49] are playing are minority base as opposed

[23:51] to six percent in 2000 so big jumps and

[23:55] categories all across and that's

[23:56] especially important because that's the

[23:58] future of the game

[24:02] one out of every three americans either

[24:03] played golf or watched the sport or read

[24:05] about it in 2020 that's a considerable

[24:08] amount

[24:10] so when you look at all those numbers it

[24:11] shows that the golf industry as a whole

[24:13] is healthy our revenues this year are up

[24:15] 13.25 up from 2020.

[24:19] last year we missed

[24:22] i would say what like a good month and a

[24:24] half

[24:25] of revenue

[24:26] opportunity

[24:28] we were open then we were closed and

[24:30] then when we reopened there was a lot of

[24:33] you know unknowns

[24:34] could you ride in carts and when we

[24:36] finally did you can only want to run

[24:37] rider per person so you're losing out of

[24:39] revenue streams all over the place

[24:41] you know in hindsight in 2020 from

[24:43] looking back in 2020 yeah we probably

[24:45] could have done all those things but at

[24:46] the time we didn't know that

[24:48] so obviously we took all the necessary

[24:50] safety precautions

[24:53] and so this year we're seeing our

[24:55] revenues increase more than that and

[24:56] last year we did almost 1.1 million

[24:58] dollars in total net revenue so we're up

[25:01] considerably that this year which is

[25:03] going to help moving forward as we

[25:06] continue to meet our uh expensive

[25:08] categories and our revenue streams

[25:11] and of course now the mask mandate is in

[25:14] effect after we received notice last

[25:16] week

[25:16] uh we incorporated the mass growth last

[25:19] monday so now we've started

[25:22] and it has been pretty well received i

[25:24] mean there's going to be the usual

[25:25] complaints of players but for the most

[25:27] part everybody has been compliant

[25:29] and things are working well on that end

[25:33] do you have any questions for me i guess

[25:34] is the next step

[25:36] in terms of everything that i have just

[25:38] mentioned

[25:48] so um how are the tournaments um are you

[25:51] back on track with the tournaments yes we are yeah um we've had we just

[25:57] actually just had our schenectady high

[25:58] school football team fundraiser okay

[26:00] they had their largest group ever they

[26:02] had 120 players pass through which is a

[26:04] very large number

[26:06] uh we have run our schenectady classics

[26:09] for the championships for both the men

[26:11] the women and the senior divisions those

[26:13] all saw big increases in numbers

[26:16] and then september is going to be a big

[26:19] month for tournaments as well

[26:21] many of the events that were canceled

[26:23] last year are now back on the schedule

[26:24] so

[26:25] tournaments are definitely uh high on

[26:27] the list all right good thank you

[26:31] um yes i was wondering are you doing

[26:33] tournaments

[26:36] we ran a children's camp in uh

[26:39] it was end of june early july we did two

[26:41] weeks yep and then we actually do a we host an event that's done to the

[26:47] northeastern new york pga

[26:49] golf tour

[26:50] and that's kind of an annual thing that

[26:51] we do every year they have a different

[26:53] venue that they play each week

[26:55] and i can't remember the exact day it

[26:57] was in july

[26:59] and it was one of the regular stops when

[27:00] they come every year and that was over

[27:02] 100 children

[27:04] yeah

[27:04] big numbers it was very impressive

[27:07] thank you

[27:10] so can you tell us a little bit about

[27:12] the actual facilities and of course

[27:15] anything that needs means work

[27:18] yeah

[27:19] so as i i've mentioned in the past there

[27:21] obviously are some capital improvements

[27:23] that we need to address coming soon

[27:25] which is another reason why i brought mr

[27:26] sesney with me

[27:28] some of the carp paths are going to be

[27:30] need to be addressed one of the issues

[27:31] that we face when it rains considerably

[27:34] and we've gotten a lot of those rain

[27:35] days

[27:36] is that the course gets so saturated

[27:38] that we aren't allowed to allow

[27:39] golf carts on the ground

[27:42] they can do considerable damage so we're

[27:44] rewarded to walking only and when you do

[27:46] that

[27:47] not only do you miss the cart revenue

[27:49] but you do miss out on green speed

[27:50] revenue as well so it's kind of a double

[27:52] hit

[27:54] and so

[27:55] we were

[27:58] looking forward to do more of a routine

[28:00] maintenance on the cart pads but more of

[28:02] preventative maintenance down the road

[28:04] where we can have a continuous car path

[28:06] around the entire golf course

[28:08] and that way we can police the players

[28:10] better whether they just cart path only

[28:12] many facilities implore that uh

[28:17] that type of uh

[28:20] i think we're working for they they

[28:22] employ that practice okay so let's say

[28:25] saratoga national they get a rainstorm

[28:27] goes through their car path only they

[28:28] have a continuous card path that goes

[28:30] all the way around the course they can

[28:31] still let their cards go on the facility

[28:34] and players can still play the golf

[28:35] course whereas ours

[28:38] they're off we lose the revenue stream

[28:41] and when that also happens league play

[28:42] doesn't go out so it's kind of a it's

[28:44] kind of a big hit when we have to

[28:45] reschedule

[28:47] league plays miss out on their week and

[28:49] then we have to reschedule them and just

[28:51] keep pushing them back

[28:53] so yeah it can be a nuisance but at the

[28:55] same time it can be fixed and we do have

[28:57] a lot of already in place paved car path

[29:00] there

[29:01] and i want to say it's over nine holes

[29:03] that's in place now some of them need to

[29:05] be addressed but that would be something

[29:07] that'd be worth the efforts to look into

[29:10] saving us money down the road

[29:12] um and then of course the big ticket

[29:14] item would be a new irrigation system

[29:17] it's aging

[29:19] and uh

[29:20] mike i'll let you kind of

[29:22] take that direction if you'd like

[29:26] good evening everyone

[29:28] mike says i'm actually the president of

[29:29] northeast turf and my company actually

[29:31] has the maintenance contract for the

[29:33] golf course but i'm actually the acting

[29:35] superintendent to the golf course

[29:37] and

[29:38] i wrote down some notes for the

[29:39] irrigation system of

[29:42] our presence system is that okay

[29:49] our present irrigation system is between

[29:50] 40 and 45 years old

[29:52] the average lifespan for an irrigation

[29:55] system is roughly 20 to 25 years old so

[30:00] it's yeah it's definitely uh it's time

[30:02] to replace it

[30:03] it's a fully manual irrigation system

[30:06] that has to be turned on manually by by

[30:08] the workers

[30:09] an automatic system has electric

[30:11] solenoids that are activated by a low

[30:14] voltage

[30:15] current that is sent from a central

[30:17] computer

[30:18] that's what we're trying for is a fully

[30:20] automatic irrigation system and our pump

[30:22] house is actually

[30:25] needs to be replaced too it's a 400

[30:27] gallon per minute pump station

[30:29] and our new pump station that we had

[30:31] designed would be between 1000 and 1200

[30:34] gallons per minute

[30:35] this would increase the capacity by two

[30:37] to three times

[30:39] and the new pumps

[30:40] would be a variable frequency drive

[30:43] which are more electrically efficient

[30:45] than the present pumps that we

[30:48] have with a present system annual system

[30:52] it takes approximately 18 hours to water

[30:54] the entire golf course the new

[30:56] irrigation system would accomplish this

[30:58] in six to eight hours

[31:04] the new system there will be

[31:06] improved sprinkler head coverage and

[31:08] more flexibility with water again

[31:10] fertilizers and other products that need

[31:11] to be watered in

[31:13] and there'll also be enhanced

[31:15] turf quality and improved playing

[31:17] conditions for the new automatic system

[31:20] and i guess the

[31:24] final part is the cost our last

[31:28] estimate we had was between 2.5 and 3

[31:31] million for a new irrigation system

[31:34] and 10 years ago we had actually an

[31:37] estimate of 1.5 million so

[31:39] i guess the longer we wait the more

[31:41] expensive it's going to be

[31:45] and also like actually

[31:47] i just wanted to show everybody

[31:50] a fairway coupler that that we were

[31:52] using in the fairways

[31:56] so this coupler right here will be

[31:58] plugged into a valve in the fairway

[32:01] there's actually 138 of these airways so

[32:04] we can only

[32:04] pass the pump capacitor we have now

[32:06] we've only got seven of these at a time

[32:09] and uh how many i'm sorry i can only run

[32:11] seven at a time

[32:21] these are actually in the in the

[32:23] fairways mounted

[32:24] in the ground so this would open up plug

[32:28] that in like that and turn it so each

[32:30] day a guy has to go out in the morning

[32:31] and turn this coupler on

[32:33] and like i said we run up let them run

[32:35] for half an hour so there's seven they

[32:37] can run at a time so they'll pull those

[32:39] seven out go to the next seven you say

[32:41] there's 138 of these so it's all for

[32:44] it's labor intensive just trying to

[32:46] water fairways

[32:49] the new fairway head is

[32:54] much more efficient it has electric

[32:55] solenoids so i said this would be wired

[32:58] to a low voltage system and this would

[33:00] this head would

[33:02] automatically come on at night there

[33:04] would be an

[33:05] interruption during the day as far as

[33:06] ordering the golf course

[33:08] so it's much more efficient it would

[33:09] have better coverage coverage than the older style sprinkler the older

[33:13] style sprinkler was actually uh

[33:16] manufactured implemented in 1930s and

[33:19] that was actually phased out in the late

[33:21] 60s early 70s so i don't i don't even

[33:24] know of any other gal of course in the

[33:25] area that she uses them

[33:27] but everybody has an automatic system

[33:30] that i know in the area

[33:41] i guess it's time but i know it's an

[33:42] expensive a big expensive place but

[33:45] likes that the price keeps going up

[33:47] every year plus materials are going up

[33:49] so how many of those do you need

[33:54] um

[33:56] these i think they i think the new

[33:58] system is going to have between a

[33:59] thousand and twelve hundred

[34:01] 138 is just just for the fairways so we

[34:04] have four to five sprinklers on each

[34:06] green

[34:07] in each green complex and ht complex

[34:10] so there's probably three three or four

[34:12] hundred on the course now but

[34:14] i said it's not a uh the coverage is

[34:16] very poor now with this whole system

[34:18] this new system would be much more

[34:21] efficient

[34:22] and actually had

[34:27] she had a

[34:30] evaluation of the irrigation system done

[34:33] in 2010 it was actually by a certified

[34:35] irrigation designer he's over in boston

[34:38] it's brian van casey

[34:40] and

[34:41] it's maybe a 15-page report but he

[34:43] pretty much just

[34:45] spelled out all the issues with this

[34:46] system and he basically said it's time

[34:49] for his system to

[34:52] 2010

[34:54] so

[34:55] we'll have to review that

[35:01] but then you know yeah new systems will

[35:02] be

[35:03] much more evenly water distribution

[35:06] and he can actually that the apps that

[35:09] you can get on your phone you can

[35:10] actually program away from your cell

[35:11] phone

[35:12] which would be incredible

[35:14] it's just technology now is so much

[35:16] better yeah i mean things have gotten

[35:17] more expensive but the technology is

[35:20] far superior

[35:24] so by putting in the new irrigation

[35:26] system without help with the golf cart

[35:29] or that is something totally different

[35:31] that's totally different yeah and today

[35:33] yes do you have a price tag on it

[35:36] no on the golf cart pads now

[35:42] yeah and you know we're not even looking

[35:44] to do

[35:45] blacktop card pads we could do you know

[35:48] gravel

[35:49] carpets just something to have a

[35:50] continuous pet yeah the blacktop would

[35:52] look nice

[35:54] but

[35:54] you know millings

[35:56] would would suffice just a continuous

[35:58] path all the way around the golf course

[36:00] something that would

[36:02] they would be forced to stay there

[36:03] rather than driving off so again

[36:06] you know how players are not everybody

[36:08] follows the rules

[36:10] but

[36:12] a little bit easier it's easier to do

[36:13] that if you see something off the path

[36:15] and with the gps system on top of that

[36:17] you can program it so the cards when

[36:20] they go off the path it notifies the

[36:21] player to get back on the path

[36:23] if it's not if i mean if it's not

[36:26] difficult can you just share an

[36:28] estimated cost

[36:30] for a new car path yeah

[36:32] well as mike said what do we think about

[36:34] 500 yeah

[36:40] i'm not sure if that's something that we

[36:41] could do

[36:42] in-house or we would have to branch that

[36:44] and outsource it but

[36:47] okay

[36:50] any other questions

[36:54] i appreciate you both coming i mean it's

[36:56] obviously i'm not a golfer but

[36:58] everywhere i go people talk about our

[37:00] golf course being

[37:02] equal to if not better than the private

[37:04] country club golf courses around and

[37:06] obviously it's a

[37:08] great revenue stream

[37:10] for the city of cement and so i

[37:11] appreciate it

[37:15] to keep it being such a gem for us

[37:18] appreciate it yeah thank you

[37:20] pleasure to work there that's for sure

[37:22] thank you for all you're doing here you

[37:23] and your staff thank you very much all right thank you have a good night

[37:32] [Music]

[37:46] so the first item

[37:48] is reselling requests like shop for

[37:51] parks like 10 20 mcconnell street

[37:54] joining us

[37:56] good evening everyone um this request is

[37:59] in regard to the reasonable request for

[38:02] a parcel that's part of the store checks

[38:04] redevelopment

[38:05] it's from a c2 right from an r1 single

[38:08] family residential to c2 mixed-use

[38:11] commercial um the city council referred

[38:13] this to the planning commission for

[38:15] recommendation which will take place at

[38:17] their next meeting on august 18th

[38:19] the recommendation tonight is for the

[38:21] city council to call for a public

[38:22] hearing

[38:23] regarding this request to change the

[38:25] zoning

[38:26] any questions

[38:28] um

[38:37] accepting funding for a trade inventory

[38:39] and community forest management plan

[38:43] the city of schenectady was awarded an

[38:45] urban forestry grant from the department

[38:47] of environmental conservation this is to

[38:50] do a city-wide tree inventory and

[38:52] community forest management plan um

[38:54] so we are just asking for the acceptance

[38:56] of these funds and for the mayor to

[38:58] enter any necessary agreements to carry

[39:02] out

[39:02] the purposes of the grant

[39:05] [Music]

[39:08] sixty one thousand two hundred dollars

[39:12] any questions

[39:31] [Music]

[39:45] okay mr

[39:54] wallace little bit difficulty uh

[39:57] hearings guys at the table so uh

[40:00] so this is the

[40:02] annual gaming program a little later

[40:04] than normal

[40:06] to various amount of

[40:09] difference reasons

[40:09] year that we're trying to call out in

[40:11] our backup is that this is for

[40:13] chips only

[40:15] as you are probably aware previous

[40:17] program we have three funding sources we

[40:20] have chips we have local we have

[40:22] cdbg um due to

[40:25] surplus assist money do not have a

[40:27] program to focus we decide to do a chips

[40:30] program uh i'm working on a cbd program

[40:33] and we will not have a local program as

[40:35] we didn't really bond a ton of money

[40:37] because we had it so we went forward

[40:39] with a

[40:40] more visited

[40:41] approach so this is the chips program

[40:44] this is the bigger program roughly three

[40:46] million dollar program

[40:48] and it's going to start

[40:50] after wednesday and we are going to run

[40:53] it probably right through next year into

[40:56] june

[40:57] um

[40:58] contractors like that because it gives

[41:00] them some some work to go with

[41:03] some of our work we're hoping to follow

[41:10] [Music]

[41:17] any

[41:18] questions

[41:20] so is this going to run through the

[41:22] winter are they paving in the winter now

[41:24] or is it just the money's going no

[41:26] we will have a shutdown immediately

[41:28] right around november 15th

[41:31] and then we'll pick them back up in

[41:44] thank you

[42:01] call the order finance committee the

[42:02] first item on the agenda is to discuss

[42:05] the parka public meetings

[42:07] i'll let you support you go first

[42:10] thank you

[42:11] so i asked mr ferrari if he would today

[42:14] come may explain um the amount of money

[42:17] that we're getting how much we

[42:19] spent so far

[42:21] what can and cannot see

[42:23] this cannot be used for and

[42:26] so

[42:27] sir

[42:28] mr

[42:30] thank you

[42:31] council president mr porterfield mayor

[42:34] uh

[42:35] mr portfield uh

[42:37] requested a few questions here and i got

[42:39] some answers for him well a total amount

[42:43] of arpa funds that the city's going to

[42:44] receive over two years it amounts to 52

[42:47] million 971 dollars

[42:50] 798.

[42:53] that we were receiving two rounds of 26

[42:56] million 485 at 899

[43:01] and of this first uh round we received

[43:04] the june 1st of 2021 of that 26 million

[43:08] 8 million

[43:11] six 92

[43:11] eighty dollars has been designated as a

[43:14] loss of revenue which i have sent to you

[43:16] guys previously

[43:18] uh we're expecting our second round of

[43:20] 26 million and and change uh in june of

[43:25] 2022.

[43:27] um so far

[43:29] the city uh the city council has

[43:30] allocated 233 thousand dollars

[43:33] um 145 000 was to the boys and girls

[43:37] club uh to keep these uh youths

[43:39] participating engaged in summer programs

[43:42] um

[43:43] 38 thousands to the uh schenectady fire

[43:46] tomorrow department 30 000 of that 38

[43:49] was for medication due to the changes in

[43:51] the covenant 19

[43:52] protocols and 8 000 was for the covet

[43:56] cleaning of the trucks the offices and

[43:58] buildings

[43:59] the last

[44:00] amount of 50 000 works to the

[44:02] schenectady police depart department and

[44:05] that is for the

[44:06] protocol excuse me for the

[44:10] protocol for the uh retired uh police

[44:12] officers downstairs uh coming in there

[44:15] today for covid and uh

[44:17] checking so that's that's all we have

[44:20] allocated so far

[44:23] the third question is the timeline for

[44:24] allocating the funds well the timelines

[44:27] uh for allocating funds are eligible

[44:30] costs from march 3rd 2021

[44:34] through

[44:34] december 31st 2024

[44:38] we are out obligated uh

[44:40] all our obligated funds have to be spent

[44:42] by uh 12 31 2026

[44:46] and whatever is left over we don't spend

[44:48] after that date we do have to send back

[44:50] to the fender government

[44:53] okay

[44:54] what what do we what can we spend the

[44:56] money on is the heart is one of the most

[44:58] difficult parts

[44:59] i get one thing i can tell you here

[45:02] is that

[45:04] what we cannot

[45:06] pay

[45:07] what one things that we cannot pay for

[45:10] is debt service

[45:11] we cannot pay for pension plans and we

[45:14] cannot directly or indirectly offset a

[45:16] reduction in uh net tax revenue so we

[45:19] can't

[45:20] lower taxes which is i don't know

[45:23] uh

[45:24] but some of the things that uh that

[45:26] we're allowed to uh cost for but these

[45:28] are big

[45:30] uh sections where you know you can do

[45:32] things in between like for instance

[45:34] public health you know you've got you

[45:36] know

[45:36] you can do covet testing you can pay for

[45:38] uh

[45:40] covid uh

[45:41] vaccinations there's different different

[45:43] things for uh public health uh

[45:46] also negative income uh impacts you know

[45:49] for instance uh you know one of the

[45:50] things that we were discussing is the

[45:52] higher back all the the people that we did not employ in 20 19 and 2020 to hire them back to uh

[46:00] get them back that's part of the

[46:02] negative impacts uh services to the you

[46:04] know uh community to uh impacted

[46:07] communities they're just

[46:08] disproportionate this disproportionately

[46:11] for funding so you know cdbg area

[46:14] neighborhoods you know

[46:16] by census track whatever you know things

[46:18] you can do in those neighborhoods you

[46:19] can spend money on and of course the big

[46:22] three infrastructures water sewer

[46:24] broadband but it's kind of where it's

[46:27] kind of hard right now because with the

[46:29] infrastructure bill just passed by the

[46:31] federal government where we're

[46:34] you know we don't really want to

[46:36] anticipate like we want to put our opera

[46:38] money aside for infrastructure and then we said oh god we could have paid

[46:41] this for infrastructure bill so you know

[46:44] that's why we're right now we're not

[46:45] trying to obligate uh anything on in

[46:47] those areas right now

[46:49] also also you have you know

[46:51] administration you know uh because you

[46:53] know what uh

[46:54] you know it takes a lot because you know

[46:56] uh starting august 31st we have to start

[46:58] reporting on everything and then on a

[47:01] quarterly basis uh through uh

[47:03] through the

[47:04] uh us treasury website you know you have

[47:07] to have the uh all your reports

[47:09] quarterly reports done uh every quarter

[47:11] starting august 31st will be our first uh first

[47:16] payment and uh so far the only only

[47:18] place that we're actually spending money

[47:20] is for the officers we have downstairs

[47:22] so uh um boys and girls club we're

[47:25] eventually we're going to be paying them

[47:27] soon and uh and uh in fact i got my

[47:30] first call for the fire department for the cleaning supplies and stuff like

[47:33] that so it's starting to work

[47:37] there's a there's a uh

[47:40] you know a lot

[47:41] you can spend on uh

[47:43] but you just have to be careful of not

[47:45] of what you're doing uh we were looking

[47:48] at the you know

[47:49] with the mayor you know yeah i think

[47:52] he's got some ideas they're talking

[47:53] about getting some uh task force not

[47:56] task force together but

[47:57] a committee's together to start looking

[47:59] at how and what to spend the money on

[48:02] and i i personally think that's a great

[48:03] idea i think that's the way to go a lot

[48:06] of communities are starting to do that

[48:08] but like ourselves every every community

[48:10] is cautious and they haven't really

[48:12] started spending money yet because

[48:14] ever we're all waiting for the final uh

[48:16] determination which was uh it was

[48:18] supposed to end as a july 16th so it's

[48:20] been a month now we haven't still

[48:22] haven't heard anything final yet so i

[48:24] think most that's what most of the

[48:26] communities are waiting for

[48:31] is there any other information i can get

[48:33] for you

[48:36] in the budget and the 2022 budget it

[48:40] will be yes

[48:41] actually we're going to show it two ways

[48:42] we're gonna we're gonna show it as the

[48:44] uh in the line item itself that what

[48:46] we're using art before and then in the

[48:48] revenue side we're going to have a you

[48:50] know federal arpa number

[48:52] that's one of the things too as you're

[48:54] calling we did the 2021 budget we we

[48:57] portioned i think 1.4 1.428 million for

[49:01] federal money we weren't sure we're

[49:02] going to get it we did get it so soon

[49:05] you know as we get up as we get closer

[49:07] to the end of the year we're going to

[49:08] ask for to appropriate that money from

[49:10] the arpa into that and plus our fund

[49:13] balance which we have mentioned before

[49:15] uh and plus again like i said some of

[49:16] the jobs that we want to you know uh

[49:19] bring back you know that would all be

[49:21] part of the function we're just we're

[49:23] just trying to we're actually waiting

[49:24] for the final

[49:26] uh determination like we're a little

[49:28] surprised it hasn't come yet but

[49:30] that's that's why we haven't uh these

[49:32] were immediate needs uh the boys club

[49:35] the police of fire so that's why we

[49:36] brought him ahead

[49:38] are there any questions

[49:41] well just a comment that i think you

[49:43] know in terms of the infrastructure bill

[49:45] and all of us waiting

[49:47] uh to hear what was going to happen with

[49:49] that that i

[49:50] completely

[49:52] understand and get that was important to wait for that

[49:56] and so

[50:06] one thing to happen with the

[50:07] infrastructure build that we're happy

[50:08] about is prior to the passing it there

[50:11] was that big thought that they were

[50:12] going to claw back the second the second

[50:15] payment but so far they passed the they

[50:18] passed it and they did not mention it so

[50:19] it looks like we're going to get that

[50:20] second payment which really is a big

[50:22] relief for all of us yeah yeah it's

[50:26] the

[50:27] it's important with the uh the 1.3

[50:30] trillion infrastructure i mean

[50:32] to make sure we're not

[50:35] using funds duel for you know for the

[50:37] same thing so

[50:38] like uh there's broadband in the

[50:40] infrastructure package there's water or

[50:42] sewer so we can make sure that we're

[50:45] using our our arpa money most

[50:47] efficiently and effectively and you know

[50:49] if if we went out and spent it right off

[50:51] the bat we would

[50:53] certainly not be doing very good justice

[50:55] with that money

[50:57] the other aspect that that i think we

[50:59] need to be careful of is the three and a

[51:01] half trillion

[51:02] budget package and what kind of money

[51:04] we're going to get there

[51:06] what's going to trickle down to the

[51:07] state what's going to trickle down to us

[51:10] we have the county and the

[51:12] school district to work with so we can

[51:14] make sure that we're being effective

[51:17] and not misappropriating the money so it

[51:20] was

[51:21] very prudent that we didn't

[51:23] go out and spend it right off the bat

[51:25] um

[51:27] and uh believe me mr wilfond was waiting

[51:35] are there any other questions

[51:37] yeah if i may mccarthy is there a

[51:39] timeline to put this committee together

[51:43] if you may i was going to put one

[51:46] out looking after labor day but after

[51:49] your remarks last week i defer to that

[51:52] we'll hopefully be able to negotiate

[51:53] something we're all on the same page and

[51:56] publicly sparring and the things that

[51:58] are going on

[52:00] well you know not really public sparring

[52:02] is just that we've been getting calls

[52:03] from a lot of people that's what is our

[52:05] intention and you know we need to um

[52:07] discuss this giving the names of those

[52:09] people i'm

[52:16] in terms of sure what the autonomous

[52:20] would like to have the biggest impact

[52:23] you know we did a needs assessment in

[52:25] the community

[52:27] a few years ago we've got the cdpg

[52:32] plan

[52:33] they're fairly comprehensive but

[52:36] they don't really take into account

[52:39] the impact of coping and some of those

[52:42] things that we're still learning from

[52:44] we're getting some of the new census

[52:45] data in

[52:46] uh you know it's where do we

[52:48] put that money so that it's going to

[52:49] have the biggest impact

[52:51] and to be able to do it in a coordinated

[52:53] fashion so it's not just the city but

[52:56] it's the school district in the county

[52:58] working

[53:00] simultaneously to

[53:03] leverage the resources to get long-term

[53:06] sustainable results

[53:08] that are

[53:09] wouldn't be obtained

[53:11] by actions by the individual of this

[53:13] government

[53:16] a prime example that would be brad plan

[53:18] with the school and the city

[53:20] uh exactly

[53:22] where you know they have

[53:24] you know a big need when we saw the

[53:26] combat

[53:27] that

[53:28] i think people uh very clearly

[53:30] understood the need for students to

[53:33] learn but then people working at home

[53:36] the mothers and fathers

[53:39] got shifted into an environment that

[53:43] they didn't expect and so how do we

[53:45] build capacity there

[53:47] that will

[53:49] allow us to function whatever they call

[53:51] a new normal where yes there's still

[53:53] going to be some remote learning

[53:56] from schools that probably wasn't done

[53:58] before but at the same time how do we

[54:01] foster economic growth to create job

[54:03] opportunities for

[54:06] i'll say local businesses but that's no

[54:09] longer true it's really global

[54:11] businesses you can hire people here that

[54:14] we're

[54:15] supporting operations anywhere around

[54:17] the world

[54:20] are there any other other questions

[54:22] for

[54:36] right

[54:38] common generic conversations with corey

[54:41] coleman the county manager i've got to

[54:44] set up a meeting with

[54:45] chair tony

[54:47] in the near future

[54:51] also want this to be done in a manner

[54:54] that makes sense with

[54:56] our normal budget process

[54:58] so do we spend some of this money in a

[55:00] manner that has a positive impact on

[55:03] costs going forward

[55:05] from our daily operation department

[55:09] in some of these things there

[55:11] are things that

[55:14] you know

[55:16] anthony was

[55:17] joking a little bit semi seriously talk

[55:19] about some of paul rafan's

[55:24] interest in upgrading

[55:26] new water wells those are major

[55:29] investments

[55:30] we would have to pay for those

[55:33] one way or the other

[55:34] is it something that maybe we take a

[55:36] little bit of the arc of money to offset

[55:38] the costs

[55:40] but still

[55:42] do most of the work under the general

[55:44] revenue stream that's coming out of

[55:47] the water

[55:48] and sewer funds so we have to look at

[55:50] those

[55:51] in to leverage

[55:54] those investments so that we can get the

[55:56] biggest payment

[55:57] if we can reduce our

[55:59] borrowing or borrow in a strategic

[56:01] manner because now

[56:03] interest rates are

[56:05] getting fairly low

[56:09] how do you balance that going forward so

[56:11] we've prudently

[56:13] done the borrowing but at the same time

[56:15] we've got

[56:16] this money

[56:18] other money that's out there

[56:20] we aggressively seek that into a package

[56:22] that benefits

[56:24] the

[56:25] city operations but also

[56:27] the county and schools

[56:32] are there other questions

[56:34] just

[56:35] thank you mr ferrari i appreciate all

[56:37] the work that you did on this

[56:40] i've done a fair amount of reading on

[56:41] this my own my own um but it was to have

[56:44] a kind of recap and exactly how i

[56:46] interpreted it so i'm grateful that um

[56:50] you took the time to do this quite

[56:51] frankly and i'm grateful that the mayor

[56:53] has been you know slow to spend

[56:56] you know this infrastructure bill is

[56:57] going to be extremely beneficial to the

[56:59] city and i look forward to seeing how

[57:01] much

[57:02] dollars

[57:03] filtering down to us so

[57:06] thank you just i just want to as if you need

[57:10] to get more information go right to the

[57:11] u.s treasury

[57:14] they have different things for that

[57:16] it breaks it out for you and as you can

[57:18] see as you know we've been re

[57:20] my staff and i we go through it every

[57:22] day where we break it out we're breaking

[57:24] out by different things as as much as we

[57:26] can we're trying to we're we're trying

[57:28] to get it so uh we can use it uh

[57:30] efficiently for our budget really that's

[57:32] what we're looking for that's what we're

[57:34] that's our goal uh and you guys got the

[57:36] bigger ideas you got to do the bigger

[57:38] stuff

[57:39] i truly appreciate it because there's a

[57:41] lot of information there yeah a lot of

[57:43] information yeah the key piece is it's

[57:45] not finalized yet and we really need to

[57:48] leverage this to the best of our ability

[57:50] mr patrick well i think that also

[57:53] talking about community meetings

[58:20] really

[58:33] next on the agenda thank you thank you

[58:36] acceptance of the 2020 assistance to the

[58:39] firefighters grant i see we have chief

[58:41] cynical here

[58:47] do you have a seat or you can stand

[58:54] hi

[58:54] so this grant is uh is excellent timing

[58:57] for us

[58:59] it's a grant um for to replace our

[59:01] thermal imaging cameras

[59:03] they are a very high-tech

[59:05] device

[59:07] can you hear me yes yes we can

[59:10] no okay so i'll talk a little louder so

[59:12] it's a very high-tech device that it

[59:14] just does that it uh by temperature wise

[59:18] uh it gives us images in a fire building

[59:20] it it enables us to locate fire victims

[59:24] if our room is 900 degrees and the human

[59:27] body's 100 it'll show us the outlay if

[59:29] you will

[59:30] of a barn or a fire victory for us to

[59:33] locate

[59:34] um

[59:35] also it's

[59:36] very safe for our firefighters to know

[59:38] where the city of the fire is in a zero

[59:40] visibility condition we don't want to be

[59:42] above the sea of the fire we shoot it

[59:44] off walls we're able to find exits

[59:47] it's probably our second most important

[59:49] piece of equipment we have next to our

[59:51] turnout gear

[59:52] so the grant is for sixty three thousand

[59:56] two hundred dollars

[59:57] uh our portion uh would be fifty seven

[1:00:00] hundred and forty five dollars

[1:00:02] coincidentally uh we've been looking to

[1:00:04] replace these for a couple years now and

[1:00:06] uh mr fryer and i

[1:00:08] discussed um capital budget we actually

[1:00:11] have a capital budget

[1:00:13] plan together we had for 2020 which we

[1:00:16] uh put to 2021 so

[1:00:18] timing's right and uh we're very uh

[1:00:22] we're very thankful for this grant

[1:00:24] because it's that that important to us

[1:00:26] are there any questions no i'll i'll

[1:00:29] move this second second

[1:00:32] all right

[1:00:35] thank you thank you thank you

[1:00:38] call to order public safety the first

[1:00:39] item discussion traffic signal follow-up

[1:00:42] mr palomini thank you

[1:00:44] where we left off was looking to see

[1:00:47] where

[1:00:48] uh signage might be most beneficial

[1:00:52] mr caluccio has done

[1:00:54] an incredible amount of work

[1:00:56] trying to figure this out and he's been

[1:00:58] digging deeper

[1:00:59] and i'll turn it over to

[1:01:03] thank you mr palmany

[1:01:05] so yes

[1:01:07] i've done a little work

[1:01:10] the last time we met

[1:01:14] we looked at

[1:01:17] the top 25

[1:01:19] intersections

[1:01:20] unsignalized intersections in the city

[1:01:22] to look at the number of abstinent

[1:01:24] reports

[1:01:27] so this was from january 2016 to july of

[1:01:32] this year

[1:01:34] we don't normally look at such an

[1:01:36] extended period of time when we're

[1:01:38] evaluating intersections and the

[1:01:40] problems associated with them we

[1:01:42] typically stick to like a two-year

[1:01:44] history because so many things change

[1:01:46] over time volumes of traffic change of

[1:01:50] where people come and go

[1:01:52] geometric changes all kinds of changes

[1:01:55] so

[1:01:56] keep that in mind when we're looking at

[1:01:58] it um the original list that

[1:02:01] we looked at was

[1:02:03] from

[1:02:04] the police department reporting system

[1:02:07] um what that means in comparison to what

[1:02:10] we finally ultimately looked at is some

[1:02:13] of those reports

[1:02:15] were accidents that did not occur at the

[1:02:17] intersection but were coded at that

[1:02:19] intersection

[1:02:21] some reports did not require

[1:02:24] a accident report at all and some of

[1:02:26] them were duplicate polls

[1:02:29] so i don't know if you can see this or

[1:02:31] not but this is the original breakdown

[1:02:33] that we looked at

[1:02:35] before starting at

[1:02:38] you know a breakdown of the individual

[1:02:41] locations by year

[1:02:44] and the type of control that

[1:02:47] is in use at those intersections i'll

[1:02:50] just give you a second to take the days

[1:02:51] over then

[1:02:54] at this point we've looked at

[1:02:56] five of the intersections

[1:03:00] erie boulevard and seneca street fear

[1:03:03] and gulf bedford and eastern and

[1:03:05] mcclellan in the plaza and the second

[1:03:07] column you see was the total number of

[1:03:10] accidents that were listed in the

[1:03:12] original report

[1:03:14] by the time i went through them all you

[1:03:17] look at the numbers all the way over on

[1:03:18] my right side and those are actually

[1:03:21] the number of accidents that uh were

[1:03:24] reportable

[1:03:25] at that location had the proper

[1:03:28] information so you can see there's a

[1:03:30] pretty good uh difference between some

[1:03:32] of them you're in seneca's 48 it's

[1:03:35] actually down the 32

[1:03:38] here in golf 23 down to 30 etc so again

[1:03:41] you can't always look at a book by its

[1:03:44] cover you've got to dig a little deeper

[1:03:49] this is the intersection of erie

[1:03:51] boulevard and seneca street

[1:03:54] all the accidents occurring during that

[1:03:57] time period from july

[1:03:59] 2016 to present and the type of

[1:04:02] accidents that have occurred there

[1:04:05] again there were 53 in the original one

[1:04:08] we're down to um 32

[1:04:12] six of them are

[1:04:14] personal injury accidents denoted by the

[1:04:17] pink color

[1:04:19] one auto pedestrian

[1:04:22] the largest amount of accident types is

[1:04:25] 15 they were rear-end accidents

[1:04:29] 12 turning movement accidents and four

[1:04:32] side swing accidents

[1:04:36] not all terrible if you look at the

[1:04:38] graph over time you can see that

[1:04:41] some of those numbers have gone down

[1:04:43] and you know why is that covet is

[1:04:45] probably one piece of that

[1:04:48] you know based on uh

[1:04:50] you know last year the reduced amount of

[1:04:52] traffic

[1:04:54] again

[1:04:55] this is an intersection maintained by

[1:04:57] the department of state so i'm going to

[1:04:59] take this information these accidents

[1:05:02] which

[1:05:03] you know also shows

[1:05:06] contributing factors on them you know

[1:05:08] what was going on before the accident

[1:05:10] during so i'm going to ask the

[1:05:12] department of state i'm sorry the

[1:05:16] department of transportation to take a

[1:05:17] look at it and provide some

[1:05:20] evaluation of what we can do or what

[1:05:23] they can do to improve the situation

[1:05:25] there

[1:05:27] next intersection is golf and fear

[1:05:30] avenue

[1:05:32] again what are we looking at a lot of

[1:05:34] rear end accidents right um i bet a lot

[1:05:37] of you are surprised that that's the top

[1:05:39] type you would expect the right angles

[1:05:41] right to be the the highest but no

[1:05:44] they're rear ends and

[1:05:46] the good part on this particular drawing

[1:05:48] is there's only one pink which would

[1:05:50] mean there's only been one

[1:05:53] injury personal injury

[1:05:55] another interesting fact you see the

[1:05:57] four deer on the screen so there's a

[1:06:00] few deer accidents at the

[1:06:02] intersection as well as a couple of

[1:06:05] people lost control during

[1:06:07] bad weather

[1:06:10] and again looking at the

[1:06:14] graph over time you can see that really

[1:06:17] even though there's so many that we're

[1:06:18] looking at that they are actually going

[1:06:20] down there but there's some things that

[1:06:22] we can do

[1:06:24] at this intersection that i think

[1:06:26] can improve the situation we'll talk

[1:06:28] about that on the end i'm just going to

[1:06:30] go through the other two

[1:06:33] bedford and eastern

[1:06:34] certainly been in a large number of

[1:06:37] accidents over time

[1:06:39] also notice the pink on this one a lot

[1:06:41] more personal injury

[1:06:43] this

[1:06:44] location than

[1:06:46] others we've seen so far and it is more

[1:06:49] of what you'd expect right the right

[1:06:51] angle accidents people having issues uh

[1:06:54] seeing or cars going too fast on the

[1:06:57] main road versus someone coming out big

[1:06:59] um more

[1:07:01] to what you'd expect to see

[1:07:04] over time

[1:07:05] so

[1:07:06] again i want to show you the graph on

[1:07:08] this because it is a little deceiving

[1:07:10] because

[1:07:12] the amount of accidents has actually

[1:07:15] gone down since uh we started looking at

[1:07:17] this and there have been some things

[1:07:19] that we've done there over time such as

[1:07:21] installing uh no standing here to corner

[1:07:24] signs

[1:07:25] that

[1:07:26] improve sight distance so that people

[1:07:28] can see out of the intersection better

[1:07:33] but we want to continue to

[1:07:35] make those types of improvements to

[1:07:39] make sure that these numbers stay down

[1:07:43] this one that we're going to look at

[1:07:45] today is mcclellan in the plaza

[1:07:49] not a huge number but i did want to look

[1:07:52] at this it's located at the corner at a

[1:07:55] school so i felt it was a high enough

[1:07:57] number that i wanted to find out what

[1:07:59] was going on here so

[1:08:01] again

[1:08:02] a lot of rear end accidents right um

[1:08:04] surprising that

[1:08:06] that's the situation for

[1:08:09] personal injury accidents and

[1:08:11] a couple of uh

[1:08:13] turning accidents as well

[1:08:16] same situation though and you would

[1:08:19] totally expect some of this to go down

[1:08:21] in 20 right and you know over time not a

[1:08:25] very uh

[1:08:27] an odd pattern more or less

[1:08:30] but

[1:08:31] again there's some things that

[1:08:33] we want to look at to see if we can try

[1:08:35] to make some improvements at this

[1:08:37] intersection as well

[1:08:39] real quickly i just wanted to show you

[1:08:40] this is a

[1:08:42] chart with

[1:08:44] all of the accidents that have occurred

[1:08:46] in the city over that time period this

[1:08:48] is signalized that intersect everything

[1:08:51] and basically i'm asking you to look at

[1:08:53] it to see what the three top

[1:08:55] contributing factors are

[1:08:57] driver inattention distraction failure

[1:09:00] to yield right away and following too

[1:09:02] closely if you take those three and you

[1:09:04] put them on all my other graphs that i

[1:09:06] did

[1:09:06] you will see that those are the

[1:09:08] contributing factors in all those

[1:09:10] situations

[1:09:11] so

[1:09:12] even though we expected to see something

[1:09:14] different this is what the numbers show

[1:09:16] at these intersections versus other

[1:09:19] intersections in the city

[1:09:24] okay so what can we do here um erie

[1:09:26] boulevard and center history

[1:09:28] again it's maintained by the department

[1:09:30] of

[1:09:31] transportation we're going to talk to

[1:09:34] them see what

[1:09:35] they recommend the uh

[1:09:37] that can be done there potentially other

[1:09:40] signage maybe looking at the speed limit

[1:09:42] that's 40 miles an hour there that may

[1:09:44] be a potential

[1:09:46] correction for that location

[1:09:49] fury golf road

[1:09:50] again improved signage um

[1:09:53] i think that uh if we put a stop ahead

[1:09:56] on golf road um you know back toward the

[1:09:59] route seven that may be um

[1:10:02] helpful um this is an opportunity for

[1:10:05] one of the led stop signs uh it's uh um

[1:10:09] you know

[1:10:10] a they don't necessarily not see the

[1:10:12] sign but there's just so many things

[1:10:14] happening when you're driving that your

[1:10:16] own you're you're not always paying

[1:10:18] attention right

[1:10:20] the deer accidents i think we should put

[1:10:23] some deer signs up so that's what we're

[1:10:24] going to do put some deer warning signs

[1:10:26] up

[1:10:28] we're going to look at potentially

[1:10:29] putting intersection warning signs on

[1:10:32] fear avenue you know sometimes um the

[1:10:35] cars drive uh rather quickly on um

[1:10:38] fair avenue and if your sight distance

[1:10:41] is limited these people that are at the

[1:10:43] stop sign

[1:10:45] jerk ahead think they're clear and then

[1:10:47] someone smashes into the backbone so

[1:10:50] those are things that we're going to do

[1:10:52] to try to improve the situation

[1:10:55] replace the existing street name sign

[1:10:57] with larger sign and relocate it

[1:11:00] again you want to try to reduce the

[1:11:03] issues that drivers have wherever

[1:11:05] possible so if it's someone that's

[1:11:07] trying to understand where they are

[1:11:08] they're lost or something they're going

[1:11:10] to take those extra seconds to take

[1:11:12] their eyes off of the car in front of

[1:11:14] them to look around them so we put

[1:11:16] larger signs up

[1:11:18] prominently

[1:11:19] displayed and very conspicuous then

[1:11:22] you know we think that we can reduce

[1:11:23] some of the problems that are happening

[1:11:26] as well as trim foliage you can get it

[1:11:28] kind of hard to put all these drawings

[1:11:30] together for you guys but if if i went

[1:11:33] back to the golf in fear you could see

[1:11:35] the sight distance problem with

[1:11:38] the trees and limbs and that needs to be

[1:11:41] done as well with that intersection and

[1:11:42] that's what we're going to do

[1:11:44] bedford and eastern i don't want to

[1:11:46] forget about this intersection because

[1:11:47] there it has had a poor past

[1:11:51] so one of the things that we'd like to

[1:11:53] do is remove a tree located on the

[1:11:56] southeast corner it's on on

[1:11:58] bedford uh at eastern and

[1:12:01] this stop sign is actually on the tree

[1:12:04] and the reason it's on the tree is

[1:12:05] because there's no place to put it

[1:12:07] that's going to be clearly visible

[1:12:09] if we don't remove the tree so i think

[1:12:12] that needs to be done and

[1:12:16] that's what we're going to look for

[1:12:17] support

[1:12:19] last intersection mcclellan in the plaza

[1:12:22] another location that i think that could

[1:12:24] take advantage of an led of led stop

[1:12:27] signs on the mccullen street approaches

[1:12:31] as i said before there's so many things

[1:12:33] happening especially around the school

[1:12:35] that you take your eye off of the fact

[1:12:36] that you have a stop sign there and uh

[1:12:39] you roll into the guy in front of you so

[1:12:41] i think that's a really good

[1:12:43] location to try try these out and

[1:12:46] there's also some foliage from the side

[1:12:49] streets from the plaza especially going

[1:12:51] southbound to the right

[1:12:53] that

[1:12:53] if we can get that trimmed by a home

[1:12:56] owner actually then that will improve

[1:12:58] the site distance and

[1:13:01] improve the situation overall

[1:13:04] that's all i have for you today i only

[1:13:06] did five of them but if you can imagine

[1:13:09] each one of those has taken me three to

[1:13:11] four hours each to do i actually have to

[1:13:14] go through every single accident report

[1:13:17] and verify the information and and

[1:13:20] graphics so i'm going to continue to

[1:13:21] work on the rest of them but they are

[1:13:23] going to take time but i don't think you

[1:13:25] want to see me every week so

[1:13:28] you know certainly it's something that

[1:13:30] we'd like to

[1:13:31] proceed with now that that was excellent

[1:13:33] it was

[1:13:35] an incredible

[1:13:36] labor-intensive job and

[1:13:38] we really appreciate it and thank you so

[1:13:41] much for your

[1:13:42] hard work and making sure that we're

[1:13:44] using uh data to actually absolutely put

[1:13:48] it in the right spots versus

[1:13:50] anecdotal information great

[1:13:53] thank you anybody else have questions

[1:13:57] yes um

[1:14:06] in the communities in terms of speaking

[1:14:09] and so

[1:14:10] how can we can people get signs or how

[1:14:12] would a

[1:14:27] i think the california avenue in

[1:14:28] particular for people coming off the

[1:14:30] highway just like

[1:14:31] fun too so um

[1:14:33] it may not be led signing but there have

[1:14:35] been questions regarding four-way stops

[1:14:37] it's one question and secondly um

[1:14:40] science and children

[1:14:41] so

[1:14:42] yeah i mean let me separate them for a

[1:14:44] minute so as far as the four-way stop

[1:14:46] signs we follow guidelines uh from new

[1:14:49] york state and the federal highway

[1:14:50] authority on the placement of signs and

[1:14:52] there are certain guidelines we look to

[1:14:54] follow

[1:14:56] i as i said to you before if you provide

[1:14:58] me the locations we can certainly

[1:15:00] evaluate those intersections it's based

[1:15:02] on volume and traffic on the main and on

[1:15:04] the side it's based on

[1:15:07] pedestrian activity it's based on

[1:15:11] you know

[1:15:13] geometric uh issues

[1:15:16] you know accident histories certainly

[1:15:18] provide them to me and i can take a look

[1:15:20] at them as far as children at place

[1:15:22] signs give me a street that the kids

[1:15:25] don't fight on and i'll you know

[1:15:27] they're on every single street in the

[1:15:29] city

[1:15:30] we would never be able to

[1:15:32] maintain an inventory of

[1:15:36] signs for children that live on streets

[1:15:40] because they live on every street in the

[1:15:42] city i i don't know how you would pick

[1:15:44] and choose as to

[1:15:46] um

[1:15:47] what street to place them on and what

[1:15:49] street not to place them on i i don't i

[1:15:53] don't have an idea of how i would even

[1:15:56] do that so yes you drive into other

[1:15:58] communities they have them every place

[1:16:00] what makes them special nothing they put

[1:16:03] them on dead end streets you know the

[1:16:05] people that are going down dead end

[1:16:07] streets are the ones that live there if

[1:16:09] they don't know that children are

[1:16:10] playing on their own street then

[1:16:12] you know but again if you have locations

[1:16:15] that people have issues please send them

[1:16:17] to me i will evaluate them for other

[1:16:19] potential signage and see what we can do

[1:16:21] but you know i gotta have some sort of

[1:16:23] data to back up why i'm doing a certain

[1:16:26] thing

[1:16:27] but i would be more than happy to look

[1:16:28] at uh whatever you send me

[1:16:32] okay

[1:16:46] yeah contributing factors yes thank you

[1:16:50] absolutely

[1:17:06] how do we move forward from here um

[1:17:10] i suggest we move forward with the

[1:17:12] recommendations of mr caluccio for the

[1:17:15] two intersections that he said to put

[1:17:17] signs on

[1:17:18] and then we proceed from there see how

[1:17:20] it works

[1:17:22] if we see some progress then

[1:17:24] we might look at additional signage but

[1:17:26] i think that's a good starting point

[1:17:38] so we're moving it so authorize them to

[1:17:41] purchase

[1:17:53] the next item is a follow-up from

[1:17:56] several weeks ago request for new york

[1:17:58] state legislature and the governor to

[1:18:00] amend the new york state final law

[1:18:02] to mandate a minimum 10-year sentence

[1:18:05] for people convicted of criminal

[1:18:06] possession

[1:18:08] of a

[1:18:09] weapon felony the last time we discussed

[1:18:11] this um

[1:18:12] the takeaway was uh invite this

[1:18:15] connected police department the district

[1:18:17] attorney and the social service

[1:18:19] department to help us with some

[1:18:21] information

[1:18:22] to support this

[1:18:24] resolution i think it was we were going

[1:18:26] to go back and do our own research

[1:18:28] um which i think you know i thought

[1:18:30] everyone was going to do and

[1:18:32] you know come forward with uh

[1:18:34] you know we have literal support from chief

[1:18:38] clifford

[1:18:43] is this something we want to support or

[1:18:45] not support

[1:18:46] um

[1:18:47] you know something i'd like to move

[1:18:48] forward and if i don't have supports in

[1:18:50] the committee um you know

[1:18:52] i'm

[1:18:54] but i think we need to

[1:18:56] you know

[1:18:56] have some sort of stance here you know

[1:18:59] there's

[1:19:00] so much gun violence in our city and

[1:19:02] across the region

[1:19:03] and i'd like to

[1:19:05] new york state legislature to take a

[1:19:07] long hard look at it

[1:19:10] and have some sort of

[1:19:12] discussion around it and i think this is

[1:19:15] a good resolution to get the discussion

[1:19:16] building

[1:19:18] to ensure that we

[1:19:19] you know aren't

[1:19:21] twiddling our thumbs here and um having

[1:19:23] the i know they're distracted with other

[1:19:25] things right now but

[1:19:27] at the end of the day i still think

[1:19:28] public safety is a

[1:19:31] major concern for anyone who lives in

[1:19:32] the city and i think that you know

[1:19:35] having them have to take a long hard

[1:19:37] look at this and understand that you

[1:19:39] know we need to have some sort of

[1:19:41] uh substantial penalty for someone who

[1:19:44] is

[1:19:45] you know willing to take a gun and

[1:19:48] use it to settle a dispute

[1:19:50] or use it to you know

[1:19:52] possibly hurt or carve or kill and it is

[1:19:55] a bystander and it's happening far too

[1:19:57] many times

[1:19:58] and

[1:19:59] i'm not sure that the state legislature

[1:20:01] is really focused on it and

[1:20:03] you know my recommendation is let's get

[1:20:05] the state legislature focused on it if i

[1:20:07] don't have the support i don't have the

[1:20:08] support but

[1:20:10] you know that i would like to move

[1:20:11] forward with something if i can have the

[1:20:13] support from the committee so

[1:20:16] open up a discussion

[1:20:21] my understanding though is a little like

[1:20:23] the last time that we would there would

[1:20:24] be some i haven't seen anything

[1:20:27] that there would be material that

[1:20:31] as i've um before i think before we move

[1:20:33] forward with something that we would

[1:20:35] show but we've taken the time and effort

[1:20:37] and diligence supposed to get the data

[1:20:39] that supports the fact that why we want

[1:20:41] to move this forward so um and i thought

[1:20:44] you know

[1:21:10] that said these are the reasons why

[1:21:13] and this is what we put together the

[1:21:14] school we come up with and you know

[1:21:16] here's how many crimes happen here you

[1:21:19] know in our community the support dates

[1:21:21] fans all of those kind of things and

[1:21:23] with that a couple of that um have that

[1:21:25] discussion about moving quality and also

[1:21:28] within that discussion um seeing um

[1:21:31] looking for

[1:21:32] where there have been mandatory minimums

[1:21:35] it has been affected

[1:21:37] in

[1:21:38] people and determining people from human

[1:21:40] rights so

[1:21:47] yeah an agreement with that that's what

[1:21:48] we take away from the last meeting was

[1:21:51] to get information and get this agency

[1:21:53] to provide us some information um

[1:21:57] we can follow up and with this agency

[1:22:00] i i i can follow up with this agency or

[1:22:02] my cell phone is michael

[1:22:04] to get some information directly from

[1:22:06] this agency or would you like to follow

[1:22:08] directly

[1:22:10] before i go to

[1:22:12] i'd like to make a suggestion go ahead

[1:22:14] so

[1:22:16] this is just a resolution

[1:22:18] whether it has support or not

[1:22:21] you know

[1:22:22] we have to remember our civics so it's

[1:22:25] going to go to the state if it passes

[1:22:28] they would go to committee they would

[1:22:29] research it they would do all the stuff

[1:22:31] that we're talking about here we are not

[1:22:33] passing this law

[1:22:35] so

[1:22:35] if there's support for

[1:22:37] out of committee

[1:22:39] vote for it if there's not support then

[1:22:42] say so and it's dead and we move on

[1:22:50] i don't think anyone is saying that

[1:22:51] they're not supporting it it's just that

[1:22:52] people are asking for more information

[1:22:54] and we take away from the last meeting

[1:22:55] was to get information from these free

[1:22:57] agency and that did not happen

[1:22:59] so that's why i'm repeating the ask

[1:23:01] again

[1:23:02] that can we get information to help ms

[1:23:04] porterfield with some of the information

[1:23:06] and then we'll move forward with it but

[1:23:08] that's done at the state level it's not

[1:23:09] done at this level so it's this is a

[1:23:12] resolution asking for them to consider

[1:23:15] upping the

[1:23:16] mandatory minimum

[1:23:18] so

[1:23:19] that's where it's done um

[1:23:22] if if there's no support then let's move

[1:23:24] on to say there's no support and you're

[1:23:27] done

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[1:23:51] those are important things to consider

[1:23:53] as we're asking the state to do this

[1:23:54] those are the things

[1:23:56] to consider i think we should be talking

[1:23:58] with the district attorney about this

[1:23:59] and someone who deals with this all the

[1:24:01] time i think it's important to get the

[1:24:03] input from people who

[1:24:05] do this kind of work on a regular basis

[1:24:07] and for those of us who do not just say

[1:24:10] you know

[1:24:10] i think it's a good idea without having

[1:24:12] really researched why

[1:24:20] so i think those are all things that we

[1:24:21] really need to consider not just um to

[1:24:24] say

[1:24:25] 10 is the number for whatever reason is

[1:24:27] a number and i don't know the answer to

[1:24:28] that so i i don't i don't see us i don't see myself supporting it without

[1:24:35] something backing up that makes sense

[1:24:36] for me to re-understand

[1:24:38] us to discuss and like i said if it's

[1:24:41] not 10 if it's if it's 10 now

[1:24:44] it's it's less than 10 down to 10

[1:24:48] and again

[1:24:50] it hasn't been proven to be a deterrent

[1:24:52] in mandatory members i think those are

[1:24:54] all items that we should assess at this

[1:24:55] level with that

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[1:25:16] and i'd suggest we hold off until people

[1:25:18] actually do the research and then

[1:25:21] if when people get their research done

[1:25:23] we can bring it back and have a

[1:25:25] discussion but uh

[1:25:27] you know we keep putting this on the

[1:25:29] agenda we look ineffective

[1:25:32] and

[1:25:33] you know it's on all of us to do our

[1:25:34] research and do our discussions

[1:25:37] don't have any problem with what you're

[1:25:38] saying so let's either do it or don't do

[1:25:41] it and move forward

[1:25:44] so i think we need clarity on you're

[1:25:46] asking us what are you saying each of us

[1:25:48] should do our own research

[1:25:49] that was what all our understanding was

[1:25:51] i thought we were all going to mr

[1:26:18] legislation so i would ask the person

[1:26:20] who's

[1:26:31] so

[1:26:32] that would be helpful for me

[1:26:39] any other discussion

[1:26:43] so whatever information that we have can

[1:26:45] we share it i know ms patrick had

[1:26:47] suggested send it to ms michael and they

[1:26:51] can

[1:26:51] send it out to the entire council

[1:26:54] can we do the same again and send that

[1:26:56] information to ms michael

[1:26:58] for distribution

[1:27:07] all right thank you

[1:27:09] we'll go on to the next item this is

[1:27:11] just a follow-up to see if there is

[1:27:13] additional information with regards to

[1:27:15] central park sidewalk petition a couple

[1:27:18] weeks ago we had asked for an estimate

[1:27:20] from mr wallin

[1:27:22] i'm still in any updates on this um

[1:27:24] sidewalk petition um

[1:27:26] program

[1:27:28] no update i've really been around for

[1:27:30] three weeks i've had a

[1:27:33] vacation and then a quarantine so i

[1:27:35] really haven't been in the office i

[1:27:36] apologize for that but i did speak with

[1:27:38] alex about it about giving you

[1:27:40] information uh you know john really uh

[1:27:44] put on a show

[1:27:48] no problem it's just a follow-up to see

[1:27:49] where you are all right

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[1:27:55] all right thank you so much

[1:27:57] any other businesses for public safety

[1:28:02] second all in favor

[1:28:25] we'll just need to wait time

Schenectady City Council Committee Meeting August 16th 2021

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