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[13:26] i'd like to call to order the

[13:28] schenectady city council committee

[13:30] meeting for monday june 6 2022.

[13:34] uh

[13:34] the first item on the agenda will be a

[13:36] presentation by the office of cannabis

[13:38] management um as you all know we next we

[13:42] decided to opt in and so it's something

[13:43] that's going to be happening part of

[13:45] that is that there will be something

[13:47] called conditional adult use dispensary

[13:48] license opportunities that'll be first

[13:51] and before regular licenses are um

[13:54] given out and so tonight we have with us

[13:56] neveleen white from the community

[13:58] relations for external affairs and phil

[14:00] rumsey who is the manager of inter

[14:02] governmental outreach so if you'd like

[14:04] to come up

[14:06] okay

[14:09] hi how are you i have some um

[14:11] materials and some information

[14:13] my name is neville white i am the

[14:15] manager of community affairs we will be

[14:17] conducting a

[14:19] grant and presentation on tomorrow on

[14:21] wednesday wednesday at schenectady public library that

[14:27] presentation is geared towards um

[14:29] individuals who may be eligible for what

[14:31] we're called calling the conditional

[14:33] license um phil will be doing a

[14:35] presentation right now just a really ten

[14:37] minute presentation um giving you an

[14:39] overview of what that presentation will

[14:41] um look like but it's we're really

[14:43] excited to get connected to the

[14:45] community so people can get ready um and

[14:48] get their documents in order for the

[14:50] economic opportunities that will um will

[14:53] be opening up very shortly we are

[14:55] looking to open up the first

[14:56] dispensaries december of 2022 so by the

[15:00] end of this year we should have

[15:01] dispensaries open up in new york state

[15:03] so um we're looking forward to really

[15:05] excited about this and this is a

[15:07] continuous conversation we plan to be in

[15:08] schenectady county continuously as more

[15:11] and more information gets out so that we

[15:13] can stay connected to the community

[15:21] yep right here okay perfect

[15:23] um so yeah my name is philip rumsey i'm

[15:26] the

[15:27] manager of intergovernmental outreach

[15:29] for the office of cannabis management

[15:31] and um

[15:33] i wanted to give a

[15:35] um a brief overview of what some of you

[15:38] might be hearing if you attend the

[15:41] community outreach event

[15:43] as neverland said this wednesday

[15:46] um so i'll kind of start at the

[15:47] beginning and

[15:49] kind of walk you through

[15:52] how we how ocm has gone up to this point

[15:55] and where we might be headed moving

[15:57] forward

[15:58] um march 31st of last year

[16:01] the

[16:02] marijuana regulation and taxation act

[16:04] was passed

[16:06] i'll be referring to that as murder

[16:08] moving forward

[16:10] um

[16:10] myrta outlined the basic structure of

[16:13] the cannabis industry in new york

[16:17] um

[16:18] excuse me um

[16:21] so it laid the foundation for um what

[16:25] we'll be dealing with moving forward

[16:26] first and foremost it brought over the

[16:29] um

[16:31] cannabinoid hemp

[16:34] aspect of the industry it brought

[16:36] medical cannabis and recreational

[16:37] cannabis under one roof the office of

[16:39] cannabis management

[16:41] we also have a board it's a five-member

[16:43] board i'm headed by uh chair tremen

[16:46] wright

[16:48] since um since the passage we've been um

[16:52] very busy on many different fronts

[16:55] um first and foremost we are writing the

[16:57] regulations for murder there are nine

[17:00] licenses in murder

[17:03] the two you're probably most familiar

[17:05] with are the um

[17:07] dispensary license and the on-site

[17:10] consumption license those are the two of

[17:13] the nine licenses that communities could

[17:14] opt out of

[17:17] uh there is a um

[17:19] taxation rate um there's it comes in

[17:22] three different

[17:23] uh phases the first is the uh thc

[17:27] uh tax

[17:29] and we're focusing on the thc tax

[17:32] as opposed to a weight tax which you see

[17:34] in other states

[17:36] so for example there's a three percent

[17:38] tax on edibles there's a five percent on

[17:41] the flower or the bud and there's an

[17:44] eight percent tax on concentrates and

[17:46] that's the fate pens or the um

[17:49] other forms of concentration and that's

[17:51] to push individuals towards a lower um

[17:54] thc amount

[17:57] furthermore there's a

[17:59] nine percent

[18:00] um state excise tax that kicks in at the

[18:04] retail level so at the dispensaries um

[18:07] there'll be a nine percent retail excise

[18:10] tax

[18:10] and the one that you might be more

[18:12] interested in here is the four percent

[18:15] excise tax

[18:17] communities that have dispensaries

[18:19] within them

[18:20] will have the access to the four percent

[18:23] excise tax three percent of that will

[18:26] stay with the community where the

[18:27] dispensary is housed one percent will go

[18:30] to the county

[18:34] once the tax is collected it's going

[18:36] into what's called the new york state

[18:39] cannabis revenue fund

[18:41] and from that fund it's going to be

[18:42] distributed in different ways

[18:45] 40 of that will be going towards

[18:48] education

[18:50] another

[18:51] 20

[18:52] will be going towards

[18:54] um uh

[18:56] drug uh therapy and

[18:58] drug rehabilitation part of our health

[19:01] outreach campaign

[19:03] uh 40 will be distributed to

[19:07] community organizations in communities

[19:09] that were disproportionately impacted by

[19:12] the war on drugs so that's how the tax

[19:14] revenue will be distributed when it's

[19:16] collected

[19:20] um

[19:20] if anyone does have any questions uh

[19:23] feel free to jump in if um there is

[19:26] anything you want to ask i will be

[19:27] taking some at the end as well

[19:30] i have a question

[19:33] only the council can ask questions oh

[19:35] okay um

[19:38] the nine license types again the the two

[19:41] i discussed earlier were the

[19:43] dispensaries and the on-site

[19:44] consumptions

[19:46] the other one is a micro business that's

[19:48] a fully integrated one

[19:50] there's a nursery license a

[19:51] manufacturing license a delivery license

[19:54] the reason we have these nine licenses

[19:56] or one of the reasons is it creates

[19:58] multiple entry points into the cannabis

[20:01] industry

[20:03] we know from experience and looking at

[20:06] other states

[20:07] that individuals with large amounts of

[20:09] money or

[20:11] corporations with large amounts of money

[20:13] they can come in and instantly take

[20:15] what's called the seed to sale

[20:17] which is everything from putting the

[20:20] seed into the ground all the way to

[20:22] selling it and they can very quickly um

[20:26] gobble up the industry so what we're

[20:28] doing is creating these license type

[20:30] which again creates these entry points

[20:32] and

[20:33] an individual we do need to wait for the

[20:36] regulations to come out however an

[20:38] individual wouldn't be able to receive

[20:40] all nine licenses or multiple licenses

[20:43] you're captive what you're able to get

[20:45] so that opens up an opportunity for more

[20:47] individuals to come into the industry

[20:51] what you

[20:53] will be hearing on wednesday about card

[20:56] the conditional adult use dispensary

[20:59] that's really a

[21:01] second road or second path so we

[21:04] currently have two paths the murder

[21:06] licenses the nine license that i

[21:08] discussed

[21:10] that came from the legislation the

[21:12] second path are these conditional

[21:15] licenses

[21:16] that includes the conditional

[21:18] cultivation licenses the growing

[21:21] and then the conditional retail

[21:23] dispensary licenses

[21:27] we have been giving out the board of the

[21:29] cannabis control board has been issuing

[21:31] the conditional cultivation licenses

[21:34] over the past month and a half

[21:36] and we just finished the public comment

[21:40] period for the conditional retail

[21:42] dispensary licenses

[21:44] and i do want to emphasize again the

[21:46] difference here the murder 9 licenses

[21:49] although there's similarities with a

[21:51] growing and retail are separate from

[21:54] this conditional these conditional

[21:57] retail dispensaries are going to have a

[21:59] maximum 200 individuals who can apply

[22:02] and receive them

[22:04] and the individuals who could grow or

[22:08] were also there was a different criteria

[22:10] than what you'll find in the murder

[22:12] licenses

[22:13] murda the legislation

[22:16] did

[22:18] set a goal of awarding 50

[22:20] of the licenses to social equity

[22:22] candidates

[22:24] and the conditional ones do have a

[22:27] social equity

[22:28] element to them but again they're

[22:30] separate two different lanes to get

[22:32] these licenses

[22:34] as i said we did just finish the public

[22:37] comment period for the conditional

[22:39] retail

[22:40] dispensaries

[22:41] and

[22:42] right now our lawyers are going through

[22:44] those comments to saying what needs to

[22:45] be incorporated and responding as we do

[22:49] with all legislation

[22:52] and i want to emphasize again there's

[22:53] 200 with a conditional where uh 200

[22:57] possible um

[22:59] retail dispensaries for the

[23:01] conditional retail

[23:03] and there's could be three to four

[23:05] thousand in the murder licenses so again

[23:07] these are these are two separate paths

[23:09] to two different

[23:11] entities that you would be dealing with

[23:12] if you wanted them

[23:17] for the most part i think that

[23:20] sums up where we're at with a lot of

[23:23] moving pieces here i will say that we

[23:27] will need a little grace with answering

[23:29] questions

[23:31] unlike almost any other new york state

[23:33] bureaucracy or agency we don't have the

[23:36] regulations governing our industry so

[23:39] for the murder licenses we

[23:42] are still in the process of writing

[23:43] those and getting those out in the

[23:46] coming months

[23:47] and with the conditional licenses

[23:50] we have

[23:51] the

[23:54] cultivation licenses already being given

[23:56] out and again we just ended the public

[23:58] comment period for the

[24:01] retail dispensaries the conditional

[24:03] retail dispensaries so

[24:05] we we don't have everything finalized so

[24:08] there will be some questions that i

[24:09] would um

[24:11] would be problematic for me to to answer

[24:13] just because we're not that far along

[24:16] with a lot of the detail

[24:18] um

[24:20] i think for the most part that's you

[24:21] know the summary i i kind of wanted to

[24:23] give and um

[24:26] if there are questions i would certainly

[24:28] like to dive into those and

[24:30] see what uh

[24:32] what i can help clarify before

[24:33] wednesday's meeting

[24:35] i just wanted to add that the um the

[24:38] condition um the car there's two

[24:39] criterias and you have to have um have a

[24:42] marijuana configuration or a family

[24:44] member family member is defined as

[24:47] mother father

[24:48] uh child guardian people believe garden

[24:51] or spouse at this present time you know

[24:53] again the um the proposed regulations

[24:56] are not finalized as a gift and you have

[24:59] to um have had a business for two years

[25:01] it could be a

[25:02] current business it could be a

[25:03] pass-through business with a net um

[25:06] net profit so i wanted to be clear that

[25:08] there's two um criteria that these 200

[25:11] people have to meet in order to get uh

[25:13] this the dispensary and it's a turnkey

[25:15] dispensary there's money set aside to

[25:17] help folks um so basically they're

[25:19] giving you a business um already you set

[25:22] up location everything and you are to

[25:25] run the business with um loans of course

[25:28] that you do have to pay back for zero percent but again these are all

[25:30] proposed to change once we get the

[25:33] comment period and people um you know

[25:35] real disagree and maybe we might have to

[25:37] make some changes so they're not really

[25:38] sure of that just want to add that so

[25:40] yeah just a question about that so um

[25:42] there's two criteria can people like a

[25:45] partner can there be a partnership form

[25:47] a partnership where one has the

[25:48] conviction perhaps the other one has had

[25:50] the business are people able to do those

[25:52] kind of partnerships

[25:53] in order to make that happen

[25:56] you can um yeah you can do that however

[25:58] the person with the conviction had

[26:00] passed with the business has to be 51

[26:02] so you can do some partnerships however

[26:05] the person has to have 51 percent

[26:07] majority owned on the business

[26:09] thank you and just to emphasize that one

[26:12] point is that

[26:13] the criteria for the conditional are

[26:16] very different than the criteria for the

[26:17] murder the um

[26:20] the nine myrtle licenses so

[26:23] again i just want to keep emphasizing

[26:24] that i know there's some confusion out

[26:26] there but um

[26:27] to neverland's point they're those two

[26:29] criteria you know is not found in murder

[26:33] um the murder licenses they're found in

[26:35] the conditional licenses

[26:39] but the conditional licenses you've

[26:41] already closed the public comment period

[26:43] right so there really is no

[26:46] ability to have additional public

[26:48] comment on

[26:50] that

[26:51] those two criteria right that is correct

[26:53] however we've just received it closed

[26:55] may 31st so the attorneys have not

[26:58] incorporated any of those possible

[27:00] changes yet so we really can't speak on

[27:02] it we just give me what's proposed but

[27:04] we really can't speak on it once they do

[27:06] that then we'll come out with the

[27:07] finalized regulations and then that

[27:09] would be the guidelines so may 31st was

[27:11] the ending period but we are still

[27:13] supposed to still get ready get set you

[27:15] still need to get your conviction paid

[27:17] there's certain things that you still

[27:18] can't be doing right now to position

[27:20] yourself so that you're ready when the

[27:22] applications come out when you don't

[27:23] mean there's certain things that you

[27:24] have to show id you have to show um

[27:28] proof of where you live so those kind of

[27:29] things that you take time sometimes when

[27:31] you're going to places to get

[27:33] information so we want people to just

[27:34] get ready get set and again it's an

[27:36] opportunity for us to establish the

[27:38] relationship because that's really

[27:39] important the office of cannabis

[27:41] management wants to adapt to a

[27:42] relationship with the community so that

[27:44] you know we could they have clear um

[27:46] information right because we see a lot

[27:48] of misinformation coming up so we want

[27:50] to make sure that people have great and

[27:51] clear information

[27:54] any other questions from council members

[27:56] mr palmany i have a couple questions

[27:59] what's the 20

[28:00] for education to be useful

[28:03] um

[28:04] that is a 40 breakdown

[28:07] from the campus rather than going

[28:08] towards education that's going to be um

[28:12] in addition to

[28:14] the regular state funding going towards

[28:17] um schools

[28:18] as far as are you asking like the

[28:20] specific what what it would be used for

[28:23] or no i was just curious what that

[28:25] education component is if it's for

[28:27] schools if it's for

[28:29] it is for public service announcements

[28:32] what's it used for um for schools but we

[28:34] again i think waiting for the

[28:36] regulations to maybe um iron that out a

[28:38] bit more

[28:40] would be

[28:41] good in murder it does say that it's

[28:44] going towards um

[28:45] education funding it's similar to the

[28:48] new york state lottery system where some

[28:50] of those funds are also put into school

[28:53] funding as well

[28:54] but again it is in addition to the

[28:57] regular state funding okay and the

[28:59] second question is is there going to be

[29:02] money

[29:03] available to communities for from what

[29:06] you receive

[29:07] for

[29:09] training in law enforcement for driving

[29:11] under the influence because that

[29:12] training is very specific it's very

[29:14] expensive and that's going to be a

[29:16] problem yeah and i

[29:19] you know i think most people realize

[29:21] unlike with alcohol with a breathalyzer

[29:23] you know you blow into it there's

[29:26] nothing equivalent to that when it comes

[29:28] to cannabis you can't blow into

[29:30] something and realize if someone um is

[29:33] under the influence

[29:35] um so we do have

[29:37] drug recognition expert training and

[29:40] that will be made available towards

[29:44] local law enforcement and

[29:46] state law enforcement as well

[29:49] and we do want to help assist localities

[29:52] in getting that training done

[29:55] um

[29:56] so so some of that will be available

[29:59] um

[30:01] again it's

[30:02] you know i've been asked many times if

[30:04] we're moving too quickly because we

[30:06] don't have the equivalent of a

[30:07] breathalyzer and we do have steps and

[30:09] are working with law enforcement to make

[30:11] sure they can properly test and identify

[30:13] individuals who may be under the

[30:14] influence of cannabis but that's what we

[30:17] have there is a mandate in murder that

[30:20] asks the office of cannabis management

[30:22] to be on the lookout for new technology

[30:24] that may allow individuals to detect

[30:27] cannabis

[30:29] or someone being under the influence so

[30:31] it is an ongoing

[30:34] technology that that we're looking for

[30:36] but currently it does not exist so the

[30:38] drug recognition experts or the dres

[30:41] um are um is really the front line of

[30:44] detecting individuals who may be under

[30:45] the influence and driving and it is a

[30:48] similar test to what you've you know

[30:51] seen um

[30:52] with individuals being tested for

[30:54] alcohol whether it's walking or counting

[30:57] and kind of touching your nose things

[30:58] like that so

[30:59] um there is training and funding will be

[31:02] available to local law enforcement for

[31:04] that and lastly how much this money is

[31:07] going to be put towards

[31:09] health care since

[31:11] we know there's going to be

[31:13] significant increases in respiratory

[31:15] disease and other things that that

[31:17] result from this we do have a robust

[31:21] health outreach campaign you may have

[31:23] seen some of our signs wrap around on

[31:25] some buses around here or on billboards

[31:29] we are reaching out to you know make

[31:32] sure individuals understand the um

[31:35] health risks associated with this what

[31:37] steps to take

[31:39] we have quite a bit of information on

[31:40] our website as well

[31:42] including you know making sure

[31:43] individuals are

[31:45] locking up these products when um

[31:48] so their kids don't have access to them

[31:50] and

[31:51] the the health outreach campaign started

[31:54] i think a month ago or so i want to say

[31:56] and we are trying to get the word out of

[32:01] the precautions that people need to take

[32:03] when dealing with this

[32:05] and a lot of research as well a lot of

[32:07] research in terms of public health

[32:08] outcomes it's a we have a robust public

[32:11] health

[32:13] component to this

[32:14] to get a better understanding of what

[32:17] the outcomes would be

[32:18] we don't really know so there's a lot of

[32:20] research money being put into research

[32:21] for that as well

[32:24] other questions

[32:26] mr wings uh so first i'd like to say

[32:29] thank you for being president and i

[32:30] really appreciate having this

[32:31] information and i'm uh

[32:33] definitely looking forward to the social

[32:34] equity component and how that's going to

[32:36] benefit

[32:37] communities that have been

[32:38] disproportionately affected by this

[32:41] i wanted to expand on your one comment

[32:42] about the research that's been going

[32:44] into the development of murda definitely

[32:47] to council member paul means point we

[32:50] want to make sure this is rolled out

[32:51] appropriately so can you expand on some

[32:54] of those considerations to research that

[32:56] are being

[32:57] taken to their account

[32:59] to make sure that whatever product is

[33:01] finalized accurately reflects the

[33:03] governor's intent with this program

[33:05] so

[33:06] when i spoke about research sorry when i

[33:08] spoke about research i was talking about

[33:10] publics i don't think i understand your

[33:11] question but i was talking about public

[33:13] health so about um you know marijuana

[33:15] and breastfeeding marijuana and

[33:17] respiratory problems i was speaking

[33:18] about this research we're looking

[33:20] closely in terms of public health

[33:22] outcomes um so i'm not really sure if um

[33:26] if that is what you're asking or you're

[33:27] asking a different question so as the

[33:29] regulations and taxation act is being

[33:31] finalized are you looking at how this is

[33:34] functioned in other states or under

[33:36] other countries or and then kind of

[33:38] pinpointing the equity component

[33:40] what other

[33:42] elements have been considered to make

[33:43] sure this like intently reflects the

[33:46] aims well new york state is right now is

[33:49] really the leader when it comes to

[33:50] social equity a lot of other states have

[33:52] um fumbled um you know we're gonna we're

[33:55] trying to do this right um we're trying

[33:57] to make sure that we're impacted people

[33:59] who are we work that we're we're

[34:02] bringing in people who are impacted on

[34:04] war drugs we're trying to pull back

[34:06] these businesses we're doing a great job

[34:07] i believe of holding back big businesses

[34:10] because we're not allowing them to come

[34:11] in we're allowing um people who

[34:14] again who don't have a lot of money i

[34:16] think that um the application fee is two thousand

[34:19] dollars proposed two thousand dollars in

[34:21] new york state and other states two

[34:23] hundred fifty thousand i mean a lot of

[34:25] money so i think that in itself is

[34:27] showing how new york state is trying to

[34:28] do it different um we have got a lot of

[34:31] criticism about the um criteria of

[34:33] having a business but again that's

[34:35] proposed we don't know if that will

[34:37] change if it doesn't change um the

[34:39] thinking behind that is that you know

[34:40] you're giving someone um

[34:42] a million dollar business and so you

[34:44] want to make sure that you have a person

[34:46] who has the business aptitude we know

[34:48] that owning a business is not easy so we

[34:50] want to make sure and these folks are um

[34:53] really the industry's on their back it's

[34:55] very important that these individuals

[34:57] are successful right because they're

[34:59] gonna they're gonna fund the industry um

[35:02] we are you know we look definitely

[35:04] looking at other states and see what

[35:05] they did what they may have done wrong

[35:07] so that we could do some you know to

[35:08] make sure we do it differently um i

[35:10] think the micro um the nine licenses but

[35:12] the micro business license is really important because it allows but

[35:16] not allowing any company to come in and

[35:18] own it all right we're not allowing that

[35:20] you only go on one license you might do

[35:21] the micro business but it's on a smaller

[35:23] much much smaller scale um anything else

[35:27] um

[35:28] murder does mandate that we work with

[35:30] other states and reach out to them so we

[35:32] have done outreach to other states and

[35:35] we've certainly been reading um

[35:37] what other states have gone through and

[35:40] where they had to recalibrate

[35:42] different aspects uh specifically and to

[35:45] nevaline's point

[35:47] with the conditional licensing system

[35:50] with the cultivators and the

[35:52] dispensaries we have the potential to

[35:54] leapfrog virtually every state in the

[35:57] country

[35:58] when it comes to

[36:00] providing assistance and actual

[36:02] businesses to social equity candidates

[36:04] one thing we've seen in illinois and

[36:06] specifically in chicago

[36:08] was

[36:10] virtually every dispensary right now is

[36:12] owned by what we call a multi-state

[36:14] operator or mso and those are very large

[36:18] corporations they're in virtually every

[36:20] state that has legalized either

[36:22] recreational or medical

[36:24] cannabis and

[36:26] they're able to again when the licenses

[36:29] come up they have the resources the

[36:31] lawyers the money to

[36:33] grab onto those license very efficiently

[36:35] as other people are attempting to figure

[36:37] that out so with the conditional system

[36:39] we have the potential of having more

[36:41] social equity candidates owning a

[36:43] dispensary than other states who've been

[36:46] doing this for years um so that's just

[36:48] one element of what we're trying to do

[36:50] and again to your point for the roll out

[36:53] myrta does um ask for 50

[36:56] of the licenses to be given to social

[36:58] equity candidates

[37:00] and um so that's that's an automatic

[37:03] built-in goal so so both of these

[37:05] systems that we have

[37:07] i think are very geared towards social

[37:10] equity candidates again you know working

[37:12] with other states we can see a lot of

[37:14] the problems other states have had their

[37:16] social equity programs are

[37:19] built from the tax

[37:20] revenue um and in order to get that tax

[37:23] revenue they need dispensaries up and

[37:25] running in order to get the dispensaries

[37:27] up and running they go to the

[37:28] multi-state operators the gigantic

[37:30] companies to start funding the money

[37:32] they will use for social equity

[37:33] candidates we're doing this in reverse

[37:35] we're using the conditional licensing

[37:37] system

[37:38] to start to feed money into the

[37:42] new york state revenue fund and using

[37:45] that fund to help with murder licenses

[37:48] and we have the 200 million dollars set

[37:50] aside um that governor hope will put in

[37:53] her budget

[37:54] um to help the conditional applicants

[37:58] so i i think in a lot of ways you're

[38:00] going to see us leapfrog other states

[38:02] who have been doing this for years and

[38:04] are nowhere near the social equity

[38:06] numbers that we hope to have

[38:08] by the end of the year

[38:10] um so i

[38:12] um yeah i think we're doing we have a

[38:14] phenomenal plan which is built on the

[38:18] issues we've seen in other states

[38:23] thank you oh mr mayor and president i

[38:26] don't think he gave the time

[38:28] oh i was going to do that for the forum

[38:29] yeah

[38:35] so i think she did actually say it

[38:36] though but um this coming wednesday for

[38:38] the for audience members uh that will be

[38:40] your opportunity to ask questions at

[38:42] schenectady county public library right

[38:44] here at 99 clinton from six starting at

[38:46] 6 00 pm 6 pm on time shots

[38:50] sharp 6 pm sharp and then you'll have

[38:52] your opportunity to um ask any questions

[38:55] can you give them a website where um

[38:58] if can they go just to cannabis.ny.gov

[39:01] so if you have any uh if you want to do

[39:02] some research before the meeting on

[39:04] wednesday you can go to

[39:05] cannabis.ny.gov and it'll give you any

[39:08] updates at that time

[39:10] i will say if you end up going to our

[39:12] website under adult use tab you're going

[39:14] to find a lot of faqs

[39:17] and

[39:18] it will help leapfrog you with a lot of

[39:21] information you're going to jump ahead

[39:23] of a lot of individuals we have faqs on

[39:25] a lot of different topics subjects it

[39:27] breaks it down very very well so

[39:30] if you are interested in getting a

[39:31] little bit more information

[39:33] the faqs are very useful

[39:37] so thank you for coming this way mr

[39:39] ramsey we'll see you on wednesday

[39:54] thank you

[39:57] i would like to call government

[39:58] operations together first item is

[40:00] special assessment district board

[40:02] appointments mr mayor

[40:06] chairman you've uh submitted

[40:09] six names your consideration it's been

[40:12] the process

[40:13] through the recommendation

[40:15] uh

[40:16] dan can you move that down again process

[40:19] has been developed by dsic in terms of

[40:21] recruiting

[40:22] individuals with the experience skill

[40:24] set

[40:25] and vision to keep the

[40:27] organization in downtown moving forward

[40:30] that's your favorable consideration for

[40:32] those names any questions

[40:35] i don't have a question

[40:37] there's a board member who's leaving who

[40:38] i wanted to speak tonight um

[40:43] i'm fine with that

[40:49] please

[40:57] thank you very much uh

[40:59] city council members mr mayor thank you have been submitted some bios for

[41:05] the four candidates that we hope you

[41:07] approve we have a board of nine

[41:09] therefore coming on we have chris

[41:11] berrigan who's coming off who's been a

[41:13] long time board member and we have

[41:15] richard antipal coming off who's been a

[41:17] long time board member what i just

[41:19] wanted to do is just take one moment and

[41:22] breathe a little life into the four that

[41:24] we're proposing if you don't know them

[41:26] already personally we have two with us

[41:30] um andrea cordeloo

[41:33] she has

[41:34] crazy amounts of energy and an ability

[41:37] to rally troops

[41:38] during a luminosity this year

[41:41] she had no problems with going into

[41:43] businesses

[41:44] and getting them motivated to

[41:45] participate in

[41:47] something that never existed before with

[41:49] a very short amount of time to do it

[41:51] so we want that sense of more community

[41:54] downtown from business owners and the

[41:57] apartment dwellers

[41:59] andrea being with highbridge development

[42:02] has the access to this and she certainly

[42:05] has the energy enthusiasm and

[42:07] personality so we would like her

[42:09] consideration we also have phil wide up

[42:12] who is here with us he's been at union

[42:15] college for more than 15 years we're

[42:17] blessed to have two

[42:19] major schools downtown within the dsic

[42:23] footprint no less

[42:25] we want those young people

[42:27] to become a bigger part of our community

[42:30] and we want them here not only to learn

[42:32] and leave but to stay and so in order to

[42:35] do that we need to find more ways to

[42:37] engage them through volunteering

[42:39] internships and find out what what do

[42:41] they want what do they want in their

[42:43] city to

[42:44] help stay so

[42:45] phil we're hoping you can help us with

[42:47] that

[42:48] who is not here this evening is paul

[42:51] ambrose with paul he really walks the

[42:53] walk paul's building is down on broadway

[42:57] and he really gets it he gets

[42:59] the uh importance of continual upkeep

[43:02] and beautification of the business

[43:04] owner's property he's well traveled and

[43:07] he has an appreciation and he's very

[43:09] observant of what other cities are doing

[43:12] with

[43:13] urban beautification and also place

[43:15] making he's passionate he wants it

[43:17] downtown here and he wants to be a part

[43:19] of it and the dsic wants to be a big

[43:22] part of it as well

[43:23] and then we have mitchell ramsey who is

[43:26] there oh

[43:28] hi mitch how are you snuck in there okay

[43:31] so so mitch is really in tune with the

[43:34] younger demographic of the city um

[43:37] i was recently told that the j street

[43:40] pub is now to the younger generation

[43:43] what the manhattan exchange was to the

[43:46] older people in town and she looked at

[43:48] me right in the eye when she said

[43:52] so mitch wants to bring new and creative

[43:55] entertainment downtown that focuses more

[43:58] on music not just bars not just

[44:01] restaurants

[44:02] he gets it we need more diverse

[44:04] activities and interests uh he also has

[44:08] a pet peeve for graffiti and oh we're

[44:10] gonna go there mitch

[44:12] so um those are the four that we were

[44:15] hoping you would prove to come on board

[44:18] but due respect to our retiring uh

[44:22] richard and paul he just wanted to take

[44:24] a moment and address the council if you

[44:26] would please

[44:28] um i'm here in support of the candidates

[44:31] for sure

[44:32] but what i'm also here about is to say

[44:35] thank you i i've been on board

[44:37] i think something over 21 years

[44:40] and

[44:41] there comes a time that enough is enough

[44:43] and one should step aside and i'm at

[44:45] that point

[44:46] and i

[44:48] said to the board you really need to

[44:51] move on to a new group of people because

[44:54] the people of my generation i think i'm

[44:56] the last of them

[44:58] on our board

[44:59] in any event it's time to step away and

[45:01] i really wanted to thank you and the

[45:04] mayor and the mayor before that

[45:06] um the support we've had from

[45:09] this council

[45:11] many of you are rather new here

[45:14] but

[45:15] the council itself is an entity has been

[45:18] extremely supportive of the dsic for

[45:21] many many years

[45:22] uh we've played i think a very important

[45:25] function in

[45:26] i mean i've had a building down from 19

[45:30] i don't remember 1970 something

[45:32] uh until i retired and sold it not long

[45:35] ago

[45:37] and the change that has come about

[45:39] is just so dramatic

[45:42] and the dsic and there are other

[45:44] agencies certainly metroplex in the city

[45:46] in the county

[45:48] and and there are other agencies who've

[45:50] done a great deal

[45:52] but uh

[45:53] the dsic has been an integral player and

[45:56] i'm very grateful for your support all

[45:58] this time so thank you very much

[46:01] thank you thank you for your service

[46:02] thank you thank you any comments

[46:05] just mr chen there's four new names but

[46:07] there's actually six

[46:09] whose terms are

[46:12] six terms are up four new names and two

[46:15] bulldogs

[46:19] i just want to say that i had the

[46:21] pleasure of serving on the board of dsic

[46:24] until i was elected to city council and

[46:26] needed to retire from the dsic and so i

[46:29] served with both richard and chris for

[46:31] several years and i just wanted to thank

[46:34] you guys i mean so much progress was

[46:36] made

[46:37] has been made is being made all the time

[46:40] by the dsic and certainly i know

[46:42] the work and the effort that both of you

[46:45] brought to the table

[46:46] at the board meetings every month

[46:49] and i just wanted to thank you for all

[46:50] that service over all those years

[46:52] that's it one more thing

[46:54] this

[46:58] and most of you know him

[47:00] but as a retiring board member

[47:03] i leave us

[47:04] leave you with a comment

[47:06] um

[47:08] unless it's the times square corporation

[47:10] which is the business improvement

[47:12] district in manhattan at times square

[47:16] unless it's the times square corporation

[47:18] calling for him

[47:20] you would be very foolish to let this

[47:22] man

[47:24] [Music]

[47:36] thank you for your service mr ann

[47:38] collins mr farrigan thank you

[47:40] we have a motion to move these

[47:41] appointments

[47:44] government

[47:46] oh i'm sorry i was working until my

[47:47] operations yeah i was looking at it i'll

[47:49] move it

[47:50] second all in favor aye aye thank you

[47:54] the next item is planning commission

[47:56] appointments yes

[47:59] as we go down through the uh the rewards

[48:02] these vacancies or uh

[48:15] any comments

[48:18] second all in favor all right all right

[48:20] we have a motion to adjourn

[48:22] second all in favor aye aye aye

[48:27] cult order finance committee the first

[48:30] item is a 2022 budget amendment by

[48:33] department chief

[48:46] moreno good evening everyone

[48:52] all right so we're here tonight uh to

[48:53] make a proposal

[48:55] um

[48:57] when chief senator left an appointment

[48:59] was made for chief

[49:00] i was the assistant chief i moved up to

[49:04] typically normally what would happen we

[49:06] would have a list for assistance

[49:08] potential citizenship candidates

[49:10] and we would do interviews and they

[49:12] would appoint someone to assistant

[49:15] unfortunately

[49:16] we do not have a list right now we

[49:18] currently have requested

[49:20] a uh

[49:21] an exam that's going to be

[49:23] given probably in december

[49:26] and by the time that is

[49:28] graded and certified

[49:31] probably won't be until the beginning of

[49:33] 2023 the first quarter i'll open the

[49:36] 2023.

[49:38] in the meantime all that work still

[49:40] needs to go on so the proposal is to

[49:43] make a

[49:45] another an additional deputy chief that

[49:47] would

[49:48] take up some of those duties that the

[49:50] assistant chief would

[49:52] be handling because

[49:54] that person is not going to be an

[49:55] assistant chief

[49:56] he would be deputy chief

[50:01] in the first quarter when someone is

[50:03] promoted to assistant chief there'd be

[50:06] no need to make the deputy chief because

[50:08] we're prematurely doing that

[50:11] so that's the proposal

[50:12] uh anthony will tell you it's um

[50:14] it's financially it's uh it's uh budget

[50:17] neutral uh what we're doing is taking uh

[50:19] the balance of the

[50:21] assistant fire chief salary and we're

[50:24] creating the new

[50:25] deputy fire chief so nothing will be

[50:27] changing on that

[50:31] any questions

[50:34] just get into my intent to have the five

[50:36] deputy chiefs

[50:38] when we make the appointment for the

[50:39] assistant chief we go back and abolish

[50:41] one of the uh deputy chiefs

[50:44] that's correct

[50:48] second all in favor all right thank you

[50:54] the next item is the amendment to the

[50:55] 2022 2023 action plan allocation

[50:59] an adoption of the 2022 2023 final

[51:02] annual action plan this year

[51:05] good morning everyone um a couple weeks

[51:07] ago we brought the annual action plan

[51:09] for adoption

[51:10] at that time we didn't have the final

[51:12] numbers from hud

[51:14] um

[51:14] just last i believe wednesday or

[51:16] thursday we got the final numbers

[51:19] overall

[51:20] we

[51:21] saw probably about a five thousand

[51:22] dollar decrease

[51:24] um but it affects each pot of money

[51:26] differently so with cdbg we went down

[51:29] about five percent

[51:31] for the home funding we went up a little

[51:32] over 11

[51:34] and for the emergency solutions grant we

[51:37] went down about three percent

[51:39] so the budget that we have here reflects

[51:42] what we put in the public notice we

[51:43] basically decreased the cdbg categories

[51:46] proportionally um that's because we have

[51:49] to stay within our public service cap

[51:51] and administrative cap um so that's what

[51:53] the budget reflects and we're here to

[51:55] just adopt these amendments based on our

[51:58] final allocation um from friends

[52:02] questions

[52:09] definitely

[52:10] as a

[52:11] new councilmember understanding the

[52:13] amount of work that goes into making

[52:14] sure the funds are dispersed

[52:16] appropriately across the city is

[52:17] definitely a tireless uh appreciate what

[52:20] your office is doing one of the

[52:21] questions i had was

[52:23] as these funds are dispersed to their

[52:25] specific

[52:26] organizations or entities is there

[52:29] auditing procedures to ensure that those

[52:32] funds are used appropriately

[52:34] yeah yeah so we have a program monitor

[52:37] that actually works with the

[52:38] organizations each year to monitor the

[52:40] programs

[52:42] we also get monitored by hud who comes

[52:44] in and picks a select number of projects

[52:46] usually each year that's going to be

[52:48] happening in august um so there's a

[52:50] number of different and then there's our

[52:52] internal audit that happens through the

[52:53] finance department

[52:55] um so there's a number of different ways

[52:57] that the funding is you know is is

[53:01] sought over i don't know if you have

[53:03] anything else to add dan

[53:04] but

[53:05] yeah pretty much you know every time

[53:07] anybody sends a payment after we also

[53:09] check in

[53:10] we get verified that they

[53:15] that's the one thing that's difficult

[53:17] about the funds is that they're actually

[53:18] they come with a lot of regulations you

[53:20] know and so they're hard to spend as we

[53:23] kind of see in different scenarios and

[53:25] really we try to do our best to position

[53:27] people and to provide updates to the

[53:29] council when things change um you know

[53:32] some projects are more complex than

[53:33] others some things are programmed some

[53:35] are more construction related so there's

[53:37] a wide variation of the things that we

[53:40] fund and we

[53:48] [Music]

[53:54] thank you

[53:56] the next item is the amendment to the

[53:59] cdbg contract with miracle on price

[54:01] stream with dm

[54:03] so this is um in relation to our

[54:06] contract with miracle craigslist we have

[54:08] ray frazier here tonight um from the

[54:10] organization um just for a little

[54:12] background um for some of our newer

[54:14] members in the 2018-19 action plan we

[54:17] allocated 150 000

[54:20] to the marathon craig street project as

[54:22] the former carver community center

[54:25] and the organization has a use agreement

[54:27] with the city that was executed and also

[54:30] at the end of 2019 for the parcels here

[54:33] um so far a lot of work has happened

[54:36] it's been a slower process due to

[54:38] probing and other you know delays with

[54:40] things

[54:41] but the electricity has been hooked up

[54:42] to the property a feasibility study was

[54:45] completed there was asbestos and lead

[54:47] assessments and a lot of other work that

[54:48] i'm sure ray can fill you in on um

[54:53] as we're reevaluating how to continue to

[54:55] move the project forward and some of the

[54:57] difficulties with getting the original

[55:00] scope was around the mechanical

[55:01] electrical plumbing um i think we're at

[55:04] this point we're looking to put some

[55:06] funding towards architectural drawings

[55:08] working with um tap i believe that's

[55:11] official

[55:12] um who's gonna come in and actually do

[55:14] um architectural drawings we can get

[55:16] updated updated class estimates on the

[55:18] project

[55:20] and they have other things that are in

[55:21] their scope that i'll also

[55:23] allow ray to speak on but this is just

[55:26] an approval asking for approval from the

[55:28] city council to extend our period of

[55:30] performance with the contract with mayor

[55:32] cole credit street

[55:33] until july of 2023 and to amend the

[55:36] budget to include um what has been

[55:38] attached um

[55:41] as as the scope of work to complete the

[55:44] use of that funding

[55:46] um so i'll turn it over to ray for

[55:48] anything else you want to add or

[55:50] uh just to kind of catch everyone up to

[55:51] speed um for some of the new faces here

[55:55] um

[55:56] since 2015

[55:58] we've been operating

[56:00] strictly all volunteering and raising

[56:02] funds on our own um funds that we raised

[56:05] were from interfaith church grants um

[56:09] gofundmes

[56:10] um

[56:11] also we got a grant from united way uh

[56:14] which was directed specifically for by

[56:16] poc organizations um and that's how

[56:19] we've been able to fund our operating

[56:21] budget uh and raise funds for our

[56:23] capital budget um so

[56:26] carver does have you know bills that we

[56:27] have to pay every month

[56:29] so those have been being taken care of

[56:32] based off fundraising

[56:34] um i'm sure you guys got the budget so

[56:36] i'm just going to go down the list and

[56:39] if you guys have any clarifying

[56:40] questions feel free to ask

[56:42] i do want to mention that uh two of our

[56:44] board members are president we have uh

[56:45] raishia turner who is our uh governing

[56:48] chair and uh nick who is our board

[56:51] secretary um i just couldn't make it too

[56:54] short notice and we wanted to get on the

[56:55] agenda as best possible so we go down

[56:58] the list we have our

[57:00] tap budget

[57:02] which consists of

[57:05] preliminary design municipal approvals

[57:07] design development construction

[57:09] documents

[57:11] those documents will get us up to

[57:13] standards to start the actual

[57:15] construction phase

[57:17] um as i said um

[57:19] you know the condition of the building

[57:21] and i encourage you know you guys to

[57:23] come to a walk through just to see

[57:25] um how far we've actually gone or we've

[57:28] come

[57:29] with just volunteer-based um labor it's

[57:32] completely gutting we still have some

[57:34] floors to rip up and some paint scraping

[57:36] which we'll see that

[57:38] we plan to hire seat center um as

[57:40] volunteers for all these years is

[57:42] incredibly overwhelming so we're in a

[57:44] position where we need to you know hire

[57:46] some help some professional help to

[57:49] get us moving

[57:50] um

[57:51] we also have gotten three different

[57:53] estimates for fencing

[57:55] we've had a problem with um

[57:57] parking and we need to close that off so

[57:59] that we can start you know when we start

[58:01] the construction and nothing's in the

[58:02] way and we can protect the property

[58:05] so the budget's there for that this was

[58:07] a pina construction our opinion fenton

[58:09] was the lowest

[58:11] uh

[58:12] bid so we decided to go with them as

[58:14] opposed to the other two

[58:16] uh

[58:18] and then lastly we have

[58:21] consultant work from rosa rivera now

[58:23] consultant is just an umbrella work

[58:25] she's really our in-house project

[58:27] manager

[58:28] and her duties consist of organizing and

[58:30] managing a volunteer professional

[58:32] construction renovation at carver

[58:35] with community stakeholders

[58:37] making purchases for construction

[58:38] renovation supplies

[58:40] we live in home depot

[58:42] support development of capital expenses

[58:44] budget and budget projections support

[58:46] development of construction grants and

[58:48] reporting networking interface with

[58:50] construction project contractors

[58:51] professional services and consultants

[58:54] oversee current capital utilities and

[58:56] systems use on site support community

[58:59] engagement around construction project

[59:01] support leadership development and

[59:03] training of stakeholders and the

[59:04] leadership of construction projects

[59:07] so yeah our main focus right now is

[59:09] construction so any funds that

[59:11] you know we're going to spend is

[59:14] for moving forward with construction

[59:19] and i would just add that you know i

[59:21] think getting the actual construction

[59:23] documents and getting accurate cost

[59:25] estimates is going to put the

[59:26] organization in a better position to

[59:28] you know get the additional funding

[59:30] that's needed to complete the project i

[59:32] think without those things it's really

[59:33] difficult to move forward so

[59:36] i think it's really important that they

[59:37] take this step to

[59:40] get that work completed to move the

[59:41] project forward

[59:46] so do you have a full board at this

[59:48] point in time absolutely yeah so can can

[59:52] this board organization

[59:54] consultant be done in-house by the board

[59:58] rather than paying someone that's a

[1:00:00] great question no one knows this project

[1:00:02] better derozan

[1:00:03] no one um

[1:00:05] and

[1:00:06] it just makes sense for her to be

[1:00:09] the site

[1:00:12] operator or project or operator because

[1:00:15] she knows the ins and outs you know it

[1:00:17] would take a lot for it again

[1:00:20] volunteering for so many years is

[1:00:22] incredibly overwhelming

[1:00:24] and you know it's

[1:00:27] every organization has an insight

[1:00:30] a project manager every single one it's

[1:00:32] kind of unheard of to not have a paid

[1:00:34] employee to take care of these things to

[1:00:36] make sure that things are moving or

[1:00:38] progressing in an appropriate manner

[1:00:41] so we wouldn't feel comfortable with

[1:00:42] anybody else but her because no one

[1:00:44] knows the project best

[1:00:46] or more i should say

[1:00:48] when you're going to hire you're going

[1:00:49] to hire prime contractors you're going

[1:00:50] to hire a design

[1:00:53] company you're going to hire

[1:00:55] contractor they got to have people their

[1:00:57] engineers also to see the projects

[1:00:59] so why spending twenty nine thousand

[1:01:02] dollars for someone to

[1:01:04] tell these professionals what to do

[1:01:07] well it's not really her telling them

[1:01:08] what to do right

[1:01:10] it's her assisting them because she

[1:01:12] knows the project so any questions or

[1:01:14] documents that need to be prepared and

[1:01:16] any trainings that need to happen would

[1:01:18] go through rosa right so again as i said

[1:01:22] right now we don't have any funds to um

[1:01:26] manage

[1:01:27] the project or see the project correct

[1:01:29] right so as i said i invite you please

[1:01:32] come see it yourself to so i can speak

[1:01:34] better to what i'm saying since 2015

[1:01:37] it's been us completely volunteering

[1:01:38] right and we've been able to raise

[1:01:40] funds to

[1:01:42] pay rosa to

[1:01:43] keep us afloat

[1:01:45] without her it's i don't know where

[1:01:46] we've been

[1:01:47] but like i said the building has been

[1:01:50] completely gutted under her leadership

[1:01:54] and we want to keep making headway on

[1:01:56] that

[1:01:58] is this person a board member currently

[1:02:00] board member she's not

[1:02:04] kenny

[1:02:08] i don't think i distributed it as part

[1:02:10] of this but if you want to see that i

[1:02:12] can send it to you

[1:02:16] go ahead please my question actually is

[1:02:18] probably for um for you

[1:02:20] um kristen

[1:02:21] how does this particular position sl um

[1:02:25] the money that this category this is

[1:02:27] coming from does that fit under that

[1:02:29] because i know that there's certain ways

[1:02:31] we can spend money in other ways that we

[1:02:32] cannot so i have some concerns around

[1:02:35] that to make sure it is a public works

[1:02:38] project and we do have an admin cap for

[1:02:41] certain you know things um and dan would

[1:02:44] probably

[1:02:44] he kind of knows the guidance better i

[1:02:47] don't think that it's if it's as long as

[1:02:49] what we've said as long as it's directly

[1:02:51] related to the management of the

[1:02:52] construction

[1:02:54] um it's something that is eligible

[1:02:56] through

[1:02:58] the public works funds um so as long as

[1:03:00] it's that it can't pay for things

[1:03:02] outside of that and we would you know we

[1:03:05] would need the documentation in order to

[1:03:07] pay

[1:03:08] um

[1:03:10] to pay any invoice we need you know the

[1:03:12] things that show

[1:03:20] well i was going to ask you you read

[1:03:21] from

[1:03:22] um you have all the other documentation

[1:03:24] in front of it but we didn't have the

[1:03:26] what you whatever you read in terms of

[1:03:27] what the responsibilities for this

[1:03:29] individual would do i think that's

[1:03:31] important that the um we'll be able to

[1:03:33] have that documentation to review

[1:03:34] absolutely i did provide a contract and

[1:03:37] i sent it over to kristin um and we can

[1:03:40] listen since 2015 we provided everything

[1:03:42] that has been asked of us and we have no

[1:03:44] problem continuing to do that whatever

[1:03:45] appropriate documentation needs to be

[1:03:47] presented we have no problem doing that

[1:03:49] but yeah he did send me the contract i

[1:03:52] didn't know if he wanted me to send a

[1:03:54] contract but because a lot of people

[1:03:55] send us a lot of documents we don't

[1:03:56] necessarily send everybody if that's

[1:03:58] something you want so no i wasn't

[1:04:00] i'm sorry

[1:04:01] i wasn't asking for the contract but i

[1:04:03] was asking for um just a list like the

[1:04:05] duties that you scoped the work that

[1:04:06] you'd be doing not not too necessarily

[1:04:08] your entire contract and then wherever

[1:04:10] it is but just how we have here we know

[1:04:12] all this other stuff that's going to be

[1:04:13] happening so under this particular piece

[1:04:16] absolutely and i was reading from pretty

[1:04:17] much the contract

[1:04:20] it's okay it states all the duty that

[1:04:21] she would be doing just so everything is

[1:04:23] all organized and make sure we can send

[1:04:26] that script along as well yeah

[1:04:28] those are my questions

[1:04:31] go ahead please

[1:04:32] just a clarifying question so i

[1:04:33] understand this if you were to pass out

[1:04:35] a committee tonight

[1:04:37] the cdbg funds that

[1:04:38] are being supposed to be used what

[1:04:40] funding year is that

[1:04:42] what funding year what funding year 2018

[1:04:44] 19 19 from that year okay yes okay thank

[1:04:47] you

[1:04:50] any other questions

[1:04:53] yeah i also have a concern about the

[1:04:56] 29 000 i understand rosa does an

[1:04:59] incredible amount of work

[1:05:01] but multiple times it's been stated that

[1:05:03] it's a construction project manager

[1:05:06] and

[1:05:07] at least to my understanding

[1:05:09] that's not what she does

[1:05:11] uh

[1:05:13] and to mr mutaveron's point it would

[1:05:15] seem to make sense to maybe

[1:05:17] hire

[1:05:18] someone from maybe seat or somebody else

[1:05:20] that could supervise the construction

[1:05:24] management

[1:05:26] you know it would be

[1:05:27] cheaper

[1:05:29] but also

[1:05:30] someone with knowledge of construction

[1:05:33] and that's not

[1:05:35] meant as an insult to miss rivera she's

[1:05:37] quite good at what she does but

[1:05:39] i don't think she's a construction

[1:05:42] person

[1:05:43] yeah i think there is a construction

[1:05:46] management would happen through tap once

[1:05:48] the car once the project got funded um

[1:05:51] you know we were talking about a similar

[1:05:53] thing and from my understanding i think

[1:05:56] it's also just some of the grant writing

[1:05:57] and the things that need to happen to

[1:05:59] get the funding for construction

[1:06:01] that is a critical piece of this and i

[1:06:04] think that

[1:06:06] along with

[1:06:07] you know the other things in the scope

[1:06:09] that were provided um

[1:06:12] so but yeah based on my understanding

[1:06:13] there would be a construction manager

[1:06:16] for the project it would most likely be

[1:06:17] tap

[1:06:18] yes

[1:06:20] and then rosa's role is different from

[1:06:22] that but still related to getting the

[1:06:24] construction done absolutely again we

[1:06:26] can send along you know um

[1:06:29] exactly what she'll be doing so that you

[1:06:32] guys can read it

[1:06:34] but

[1:06:36] as kristin just said there's going to be

[1:06:37] a specific person dealing with no she's

[1:06:40] not a construction expert

[1:06:42] we are going to hire someone

[1:06:43] specifically for that and

[1:06:46] rosa's going to be working with them

[1:06:49] so

[1:06:51] go ahead please so where is that in the

[1:06:53] budget

[1:06:54] just so we can understand

[1:06:56] so again it's not on the sheet of paper

[1:06:59] that you have in front of you

[1:07:01] but we will provide it i did send an

[1:07:04] outline contract to kristin that states

[1:07:06] all of

[1:07:07] um rose's rules and responsibilities i

[1:07:10] meant the construction manager person

[1:07:12] that you were gonna you said you were

[1:07:14] yeah so that was that was part that's

[1:07:17] basically what you're seeing here from

[1:07:18] the project manager for tap that's up

[1:07:21] through the construction documents

[1:07:23] um because once that's done we'll have

[1:07:26] the cost estimate for the project and at

[1:07:28] that point we would you know that's when

[1:07:30] they would go out to bid and actually

[1:07:33] get a construction manager on board it

[1:07:34] would be

[1:07:35] it would require additional funds

[1:07:38] to move to that step um beyond the 100

[1:07:41] 000 that's currently um

[1:07:44] that's currently left in this budget so

[1:07:47] that that would you know we know that

[1:07:49] once this part is done there needs to be

[1:07:51] some fundraising and there needs to be

[1:07:52] more money to construct the project and

[1:07:54] at that point that's when

[1:07:57] the construction management and

[1:07:58] administration services would would kick

[1:08:01] in once they're actually moving towards

[1:08:03] construction

[1:08:05] so so some of the description here on

[1:08:07] the tab is almost similar to what you

[1:08:09] just read to us

[1:08:10] for the board organization consultant i

[1:08:13] think it's very different are we

[1:08:15] different yes i mean like design

[1:08:17] development construction documents those

[1:08:19] are things that we're going to be paying

[1:08:21] for that people don't oversee

[1:08:27] so i just mentioned that under you know

[1:08:28] the responsibilities that rosa would

[1:08:31] undertake and has been undertaking

[1:08:34] her role is not that we wouldn't want to

[1:08:37] spend money on two roles doing the same

[1:08:40] thing right

[1:08:41] so her role is co-managing

[1:08:44] with tap

[1:08:45] alongside

[1:08:47] managing volunteer days

[1:08:49] to continue gutting the building again i

[1:08:52] encourage you to come walk through so we

[1:08:54] can walk and talk so you can see all of

[1:08:55] the progress that has been made thus far

[1:08:58] without funding um well with just our

[1:09:01] fundraising

[1:09:02] you know um

[1:09:04] but in order to get ahead we we have to

[1:09:06] understand that this is a kind of an

[1:09:08] untraditional project if you will right

[1:09:10] um

[1:09:11] it's a dilapidated uh community center

[1:09:14] and we've been working on it since 2015.

[1:09:17] we've attained ownership in 2019 and

[1:09:19] then a pandemic hit which kind of set us

[1:09:21] back

[1:09:22] and then now we're back on track and

[1:09:24] we've been able to

[1:09:25] continue to progress but it's incredibly

[1:09:28] difficult to continue to progress

[1:09:30] without funding this is a multi-million

[1:09:32] dollar project right and we're talking

[1:09:34] about 100k right now

[1:09:37] and especially with

[1:09:39] a position i understand your concerns i

[1:09:40] don't want you guys it's just

[1:09:42] frustrating because we've been at this

[1:09:43] thing

[1:09:44] and volunteering is overwhelming and we

[1:09:46] have one employee

[1:09:48] just one in in-house site manager

[1:09:52] um that we would love to keep because

[1:09:54] like i said no one is more passionate no

[1:09:56] one knows this project better than rosa

[1:09:58] no

[1:09:59] so no we don't want to hire anyone from

[1:10:00] seat um to do that we would have to

[1:10:03] teach them everything you know they

[1:10:04] would have to relearn everything all

[1:10:06] over again

[1:10:08] um so it makes sense for her to be the

[1:10:10] person continuing to take charge and to

[1:10:13] work side by side with tech to make sure

[1:10:14] that they have all the things that they

[1:10:16] need to progress and bring the building

[1:10:18] that's called and

[1:10:19] progress with the construction

[1:10:21] so again whatever you guys need we can

[1:10:23] provide you with

[1:10:26] hi i know good thank you how much money

[1:10:29] has been raised so far in fundraising

[1:10:30] you mentioned through facebook and

[1:10:32] grants and other things

[1:10:34] since 2015 a little over 100k

[1:10:37] i can get you that exact number if you

[1:10:39] would like but since 2015 a little was

[1:10:41] over 100k and that's like i said solely

[1:10:43] based off of fundraising sure and how

[1:10:45] has that been spent

[1:10:47] up until this point sure um it's been

[1:10:50] spent with different community

[1:10:52] organizations um there was a

[1:10:55] construction group in

[1:10:57] washington urban who helped us stuff the

[1:10:59] building

[1:11:00] also with

[1:11:03] like i said we have utilities that we

[1:11:04] have to pay for there is electricity in

[1:11:06] the building so our operating budget has

[1:11:09] to be taken care of landscaping and snow

[1:11:12] removal so that we don't get fined

[1:11:13] during so there's you know things that

[1:11:16] we have to pay for you know the budget

[1:11:18] doesn't mean the funds don't just stay

[1:11:19] there you know what i mean right so um

[1:11:22] yeah

[1:11:23] thank you of

[1:11:25] ahead please um

[1:11:27] just to go back to um ms rivera's role

[1:11:31] sure she has been employed by miracle

[1:11:34] and craig right yeah i think and is the

[1:11:36] 29 000 her total salary or that's based

[1:11:39] on a six-month contract so

[1:11:42] that she was was had a higher salary

[1:11:44] remember from previous years yeah

[1:11:46] implementation so where does the rest of

[1:11:48] the salary

[1:11:50] come from i think did you get a grant

[1:11:52] perhaps from a different organization

[1:11:54] united way oh yeah okay so that's

[1:11:56] helping to pay for rose's salary well

[1:11:58] it's it did but so this would be a pay

[1:12:01] cut honestly um

[1:12:03] well it'd be six months like i said then

[1:12:05] you wouldn't have to figure out how to

[1:12:06] you know continue funding when we get to

[1:12:09] that point but and just related to the

[1:12:11] construction too

[1:12:12] um but yeah it's definitely less yeah okay

[1:12:19] yes

[1:12:20] um so multi-million dollar project

[1:12:22] that's big and so we might have put this

[1:12:26] 200 000 into it what's the

[1:12:30] length of time

[1:12:31] you plan you know on completing this and

[1:12:35] that's very hard to say without funding

[1:12:37] you know um i wish i could speak better

[1:12:39] to it um barb couldn't be here it was

[1:12:42] too short notice for her um but you know

[1:12:44] she's the professional in terms of you

[1:12:46] know construction and what it would take

[1:12:48] to get a team in there right um but it's

[1:12:50] hard to say without funding i understand

[1:12:52] your passion for it yeah

[1:12:55] that's

[1:12:56] you know

[1:12:57] i think cool um you know this this we're

[1:13:01] looking at by the end of the year we

[1:13:02] have the construction documents they're

[1:13:04] put out you know we have cost estimates

[1:13:07] and

[1:13:07] you know we have a clear picture of what

[1:13:10] is needed

[1:13:11] um

[1:13:12] and that's really the only point that we

[1:13:14] can determine what's going to happen

[1:13:15] from there and i think a lot of the

[1:13:17] other funders that have been talked to

[1:13:19] like the metroplex and the community one

[1:13:21] fund they want to see that

[1:13:23] before they make a commitment

[1:13:25] so

[1:13:26] this step

[1:13:27] is critical

[1:13:28] you know if it doesn't happen the

[1:13:29] project doesn't doesn't move forward um

[1:13:32] but i think that yeah they're very work

[1:13:35] to do and

[1:13:37] it's it's not an easy project it's

[1:13:40] obviously going to take a lot of

[1:13:41] continuous effort to get it done

[1:13:44] um

[1:13:47] so from the inception was this

[1:13:48] individual

[1:13:50] been getting paid

[1:13:51] throughout the entire program say 2015

[1:13:54] all the way to today

[1:13:56] one more time i'm sorry

[1:13:58] getting paid all the time from 2015 so

[1:14:01] no she wasn't no she was only getting

[1:14:05] paid once we raised funds um well

[1:14:09] so it was a lot of volunteering yeah it

[1:14:11] was a lot of volunteer work so we

[1:14:13] weren't just raising funds to pay to

[1:14:15] rosa so again we have an operating

[1:14:18] budget that we have to take care of um

[1:14:21] so yeah no

[1:14:24] you mentioned united with funding came

[1:14:26] from united way correct that didn't come

[1:14:27] until later i believe 20 just 2019 or 20 19 yeah i believe i can get you that

[1:14:35] day too

[1:14:36] um

[1:14:38] yeah no my concern isn't like i know i

[1:14:41] can speak i think everybody wants to see

[1:14:42] this project up and running and complete

[1:14:44] as fast as possible but we just want to

[1:14:46] make sure we have the right people to do

[1:14:48] the right to work we don't want it to

[1:14:49] fall apart my concern is that we should

[1:14:52] give this to this

[1:14:54] consultant work to the project

[1:14:56] management tab and let them oversee this

[1:14:59] work they are i'm sure they're going to

[1:15:01] put people with experience

[1:15:02] who has the knowledge in engineering

[1:15:04] construction to carry out to make sure

[1:15:06] this project is successful

[1:15:09] so i understand what you're saying i

[1:15:11] feel like there's a clear

[1:15:12] misunderstanding

[1:15:14] on rose's role she's not going to be in

[1:15:17] there

[1:15:18] working with so you have to understand

[1:15:20] when we hire a project manager right so

[1:15:23] when we hire tap on

[1:15:25] tap is going to need to be in direct

[1:15:27] contact with someone who knows the

[1:15:29] project

[1:15:30] and who can make decisions on behalf of

[1:15:32] the organization exactly in terms of

[1:15:35] really anything that happens so we're

[1:15:37] talking more time and more commitment

[1:15:40] um

[1:15:41] we're a board but again there's no one

[1:15:45] who is

[1:15:46] who has committed more than roseanne who

[1:15:48] knows the project more in addition to

[1:15:51] that we are still doing volunteer-based

[1:15:53] work in the building so we are literally

[1:15:56] prepping the building in safe spaces

[1:15:58] where we can have community members in

[1:15:59] the building continuously prepping the

[1:16:02] building for construction so that we can

[1:16:04] save on costs who who's organizing that

[1:16:06] rosa

[1:16:08] that's just one of many things that

[1:16:10] she's doing you know like i said we've

[1:16:11] been at this for six seven years now

[1:16:14] and

[1:16:14] it's a lot of time and commitment and

[1:16:16] rosa is the sole person who has been

[1:16:19] dedicated and committed to

[1:16:21] getting us to a point where we're ready

[1:16:23] to have this uh to

[1:16:25] have the building being worked on

[1:16:26] constructively

[1:16:28] so you're telling us that rosa is not

[1:16:30] currently a member of the board she is

[1:16:32] not currently

[1:16:37] she resigned so she was the executive

[1:16:40] director in the past

[1:16:43] and and now they because they the lack

[1:16:45] of funding they don't that they don't

[1:16:48] currently you don't currently have

[1:16:50] that right so the board is kind of

[1:16:52] operating to make decisions

[1:16:54] and they're trying to

[1:16:55] you know consult with rosa to

[1:16:58] oversee

[1:16:59] um

[1:17:00] correct and she can't play both of those

[1:17:02] positions right so we have to be ethical

[1:17:05] about the decisions that we're making

[1:17:06] into your point um

[1:17:08] again someone who's going to work with

[1:17:10] the construction company has to be able

[1:17:12] to make decisions

[1:17:13] um

[1:17:14] for the board and has to be readily

[1:17:17] available to do these things

[1:17:19] um

[1:17:20] but again

[1:17:21] the two roles are very very different i

[1:17:23] don't know how much more clear i can be

[1:17:26] on that

[1:17:33] i mean you guys know us right

[1:17:35] you guys we're you know who we are we've

[1:17:38] been very familiar

[1:17:40] our question here is not to be like anti

[1:17:42] against this project we want the best we

[1:17:44] have seen over the last five six years

[1:17:46] seven years the struggle to get this

[1:17:48] project where it's coming and

[1:17:50] funding is not available we have the

[1:17:52] funding here we can't spend it and here

[1:17:53] we are making accommodation to spend the

[1:17:56] fun

[1:17:56] but there are some line items that are

[1:17:58] questionable

[1:18:00] and then they are not cute they are

[1:18:01] supporting documents that was not

[1:18:03] provided to us

[1:18:04] so i don't know if we can

[1:18:07] i'm inclined to hold it unless the

[1:18:09] finance committee wants to provide

[1:18:11] i'm inclined to hold this until you

[1:18:13] receive all the other documents i can i

[1:18:15] can send you what you asked like tonight

[1:18:17] if you know

[1:18:19] i mean it's really just the scope that

[1:18:21] ray read

[1:18:23] i just i think there's too many

[1:18:25] questions and it'd be nice to get the

[1:18:28] information and go through it and

[1:18:30] hash this out once and for all to make

[1:18:32] sure we can move forward and make sure

[1:18:34] the project is successful

[1:18:36] and and get it headed in

[1:18:39] a

[1:18:40] more

[1:18:41] steep trajectory of getting completed so

[1:18:44] i would be in favor of waiting on this

[1:18:46] yeah go ahead please

[1:18:48] so i hope my silence hasn't been like

[1:18:50] off-putting just listening and making

[1:18:52] sure i have

[1:18:53] each of the fellow council members kind

[1:18:55] of perspective

[1:18:56] definitely i would agree absent having

[1:18:59] uh just a document in front of us

[1:19:02] a lot of words are getting thrown around

[1:19:04] so i definitely understand wanting to

[1:19:06] have something on paper would help be

[1:19:07] able to differentiate between

[1:19:09] uh what is the position or

[1:19:11] responsibilities of a project manager

[1:19:13] through tech and like you're mentioning

[1:19:15] how there are differences with rose's

[1:19:17] role with this project so definitely

[1:19:20] having the contract but then also um mr

[1:19:22] munibrand was mentioning having the

[1:19:24] additional time to allow members to come

[1:19:27] out and see the project and have a

[1:19:30] hands-on understanding of the the work

[1:19:32] and magnitude of what's been coming on i

[1:19:34] think that'll put everything into

[1:19:35] perspective so

[1:19:37] i think having the document the contract

[1:19:40] uh allowing the members the time to work

[1:19:42] through it and then also uh challenging

[1:19:45] us to come out and see work

[1:19:48] yeah so please uh provide the documents

[1:19:52] not requested and we can register two

[1:19:54] weeks

[1:19:56] so i would um you know the challenge

[1:19:59] part i like that

[1:20:01] i do i do because you know we've been

[1:20:03] challenged since 2015 to provide thing

[1:20:06] after thing after thing um you know

[1:20:08] which makes sense you know you guys want

[1:20:10] to see this happen um

[1:20:13] so we would love to see you guys come

[1:20:14] and see all the hard work that has been

[1:20:16] happening because it's incredibly

[1:20:17] daunting for us to continue to show up

[1:20:20] right and then to we have to kind of

[1:20:22] wait you know it almost feels like you

[1:20:25] kind of don't trust us you know i

[1:20:27] understand having supporting documents

[1:20:29] and we can give you whatever you guys

[1:20:30] need as we always have um

[1:20:34] but you know i've only seen uh miss

[1:20:36] porterfield and mr carl williams come

[1:20:39] out and actually see physically the work

[1:20:42] that has been done so i understand how

[1:20:44] it could be difficult for you to

[1:20:45] understand all the work that has been

[1:20:47] going into it and

[1:20:49] the lack of understanding of rosa's role

[1:20:52] without really seeing

[1:20:54] the project physically or coming out to

[1:20:57] one of the renovation saturdays that we

[1:20:59] hold every single saturday um

[1:21:02] of the month aside from winter um

[1:21:06] so yeah please come out and show us that

[1:21:08] you you know would like to see this

[1:21:10] thing and i don't mean to be aggressive

[1:21:11] or anything i'm just passionate you know

[1:21:13] what i mean um i'm from hamilton hill

[1:21:15] you know we've been here for six seven

[1:21:17] years and we're still presenting and

[1:21:19] we're still showing up for community uh

[1:21:22] as they continue to show it for us so

[1:21:25] you know we just really look forward to

[1:21:27] you know continuing support

[1:21:30] so can you email some of the dates that

[1:21:31] the center is open to the entire console

[1:21:34] and we can try our best so thank you at

[1:21:36] the time

[1:21:37] i'll send it to you please send it to us

[1:21:40] to be there surely so i just want to be

[1:21:43] clear it's really it's not about us not

[1:21:44] trusting but we have to be accountable

[1:21:47] to the people who give us the money for

[1:21:49] how we're spending the money so

[1:21:51] we have to ask those questions so we

[1:21:52] have to be able to answer so we have to

[1:21:54] get the answers from you understood and

[1:21:56] you'll get it okay okay all right

[1:22:00] because i'm a fan of the project as you

[1:22:01] know i do know

[1:22:03] any other questions comments all right

[1:22:06] so we'll get the information and we'll

[1:22:07] have this back in two weeks

[1:22:10] so i'm sorry what was the time frame

[1:22:11] once we get the information

[1:22:13] we'll come back we'll come back to the

[1:22:15] next committee meeting in two weeks

[1:22:19] thank you

[1:22:22] the next item is the 202 budget and

[1:22:25] position reappropriation department of

[1:22:28] development

[1:22:30] mr ferrari

[1:22:43] also president city council mayor uh

[1:22:46] you know the city finance department in

[1:22:48] the 22 budget had a

[1:22:51] position of administrative assistant

[1:22:54] but during uh during the year that

[1:22:56] person has uh has

[1:22:58] gone back to her previous job

[1:23:00] and as our department reviewing the

[1:23:03] needs that we have we

[1:23:04] realized what we really needed was an

[1:23:06] accountant or junior yeah

[1:23:08] i think we're doing the um i think oh

[1:23:10] please do it oh department i'm sorry

[1:23:16] good

[1:23:17] again

[1:23:18] the city development department

[1:23:20] kristen's here uh you know the the department itself

[1:23:25] lost uh two positions uh housing uh

[1:23:27] person uh person and uh the zombie

[1:23:30] administrator who uh who was uh with a

[1:23:33] grant avi

[1:23:35] so uh as you know the projects that the

[1:23:37] development department is uh coming up

[1:23:39] with uh you know what's happening on

[1:23:41] crane street in mount pleasant and all

[1:23:42] the areas uh it came to

[1:23:45] talking with kristen that she would love

[1:23:47] to get an additional assistant planner

[1:23:49] to help complete these tests uh once

[1:23:51] again this is a a budget neutral effect

[1:23:55] we take the part-time salary uh

[1:23:58] the person who had left

[1:24:00] and her budget and now it's more than

[1:24:03] enough to help the assistant planner for

[1:24:05] the rest of the year

[1:24:07] uh if you have any questions so you can

[1:24:09] ask

[1:24:10] kristin

[1:24:11] so this part-time seasonal salary is

[1:24:14] from the department of development yes

[1:24:16] dear genter who worked with us for

[1:24:18] probably over 40 years she retired a

[1:24:20] couple months ago okay um so that was definitely lost to the

[1:24:23] department

[1:24:25] and we did have an assistant planner

[1:24:27] previously i believe she left the position in 2019 and we

[1:24:31] never filled it

[1:24:32] um so this would just be really helpful

[1:24:34] with the things that are coming up and

[1:24:37] what we're doing go ahead please um so

[1:24:40] which is a civil service position it

[1:24:43] and

[1:24:44] follow up is there already someone in

[1:24:46] mind or do you have

[1:24:47] will this be a position that has to be

[1:24:49] advertised this would be it will be

[1:24:51] posted okay yeah

[1:24:53] thank you

[1:24:56] any other questions

[1:24:58] go ahead please and then you said this

[1:25:00] has been vacant since 2019 yes

[1:25:07] you have questions

[1:25:08] may i have a motion to move this remove

[1:25:11] bit

[1:25:12] all in favor

[1:25:14] the next item is the 2022 budget and

[1:25:16] position reproduction finance department

[1:25:21] thank you again i'm sorry for the

[1:25:24] inconvenience of speaking earlier again

[1:25:26] uh as our department uh we realized that

[1:25:28] what we really need for a position as an

[1:25:30] accountant uh again uh the

[1:25:32] administrative assistant only lasted a

[1:25:34] you know uh a few months and so there's

[1:25:37] available budget about over 42 thousand

[1:25:39] uh we were going to go out advertise for

[1:25:42] an accountant but hopefully we can get

[1:25:44] one uh we're thinking right at the

[1:25:46] school year a lot of graduates or we're

[1:25:48] hoping to grab one from the from the

[1:25:50] pool of graduates uh we will be uh

[1:25:53] posting uh for again this will be budget

[1:25:55] neutral

[1:25:56] and

[1:25:57] we're hoping that to get a good person

[1:25:59] in that position

[1:26:00] yeah and just as a reminder please when you're posting this position please

[1:26:04] copy the console so yes

[1:26:11] and we're going to be doing that more

[1:26:13] often now yeah

[1:26:14] go ahead please um so the

[1:26:16] salary for the accountant of

[1:26:19] 42 578 is because we're six months in

[1:26:22] yes but in a 2023 budget it would be

[1:26:25] double that probably no uh we're looking

[1:26:27] at the probably uh between 56 and 60

[1:26:29] probably in 2023 okay

[1:26:33] yep

[1:26:35] any other questions

[1:26:37] comments

[1:26:38] may have a motion on this

[1:26:41] section all in favor aye thank you very

[1:26:43] much

[1:26:44] the next item is a 22 golf budget

[1:26:47] amendment and

[1:26:57] so what we have is a budget amendment

[1:26:58] for the golf course uh several months

[1:27:01] ago we awarded the construction of a new

[1:27:03] maintenance building at the golf course

[1:27:06] we did a budget amendment to increase

[1:27:08] the budget when we awarded that project

[1:27:09] this is as you can see uh we've made

[1:27:12] some

[1:27:13] uh changes some change orders here as

[1:27:15] you see we

[1:27:16] put in a bigger overhead door we

[1:27:18] insulated a couple of doors we decided

[1:27:21] to

[1:27:22] line the ceilings with these ceiling

[1:27:24] liner panels uh something that we didn't

[1:27:26] think of as that

[1:27:27] we lined the heated side but the

[1:27:28] non-heated side but at the maintenance

[1:27:30] garages we tend to leave the doors open

[1:27:33] and if birds were to get into the

[1:27:35] non-heated side they could get all the

[1:27:37] way into the heated side and roost in

[1:27:39] the in the rafters so we decided to

[1:27:43] put panels there to prevent any roosting

[1:27:45] of birds we also double the insulation

[1:27:49] and and put some hardier partition walls

[1:27:52] up just some plywood and things so the

[1:27:54] total of all those change orders you see

[1:27:56] is 14 000

[1:27:58] in addition you might wonder where the difference is because we're asking

[1:28:01] for 45

[1:28:02] um we are also looking to have our

[1:28:05] electricians

[1:28:07] do the electrical service so what we

[1:28:08] awarded was a building if you were to go

[1:28:10] there the building is a shell

[1:28:13] we actually have plumbing stubbed to it

[1:28:15] but it doesn't have power yet we have

[1:28:17] power at the facility but just not to

[1:28:18] the building

[1:28:19] our city electricians are

[1:28:22] licensed and capable of doing all this

[1:28:23] work they have started some but to

[1:28:25] actually buy the panels the led lights

[1:28:28] the outlet boxes and things like that

[1:28:30] we need to appropriate the money over

[1:28:32] it's something we didn't anticipate we

[1:28:34] have a pretty healthy reserve in our

[1:28:36] capital project

[1:28:38] so we're saving a lot of money in labor

[1:28:40] so this money will be put into

[1:28:42] essentially a supply line where then

[1:28:44] we'll build and they'll go to one of the

[1:28:46] local stores and we'll buy the supplies

[1:28:49] to put into the building and something

[1:28:50] that we'll do over the course of the

[1:28:52] summer

[1:28:54] so this is going to be done in house

[1:28:56] the electrical work is going to be done

[1:28:59] in-house uh with the exception of the

[1:29:01] connection which we're going to work

[1:29:02] with national grid on and then the

[1:29:03] change orders that is with the

[1:29:05] contractor um and and they'll be he'll

[1:29:08] be installing all those things actually

[1:29:10] a lot of them are ordered and ready this

[1:29:11] is just and you know

[1:29:13] it's just difficult because we keep

[1:29:15] you know you've seen our operating

[1:29:16] budget we keep our operating budget um i

[1:29:19] would say then you know we put in there

[1:29:21] what we need we don't put in there a lot

[1:29:22] of fluff we do keep money in our capital

[1:29:24] reserves and in our others uh so when we

[1:29:27] need access to that money

[1:29:29] you see me okay

[1:29:31] so it's transparent i guess in a way

[1:29:32] that you know we do that but

[1:29:35] any other questions

[1:29:38] may i have a motion

[1:29:40] all in favor all right hi thank you

[1:29:43] i have a motion to adjourn

[1:29:45] all in favor all right

[1:29:49] so i'd like to call to order the public

[1:29:51] safety clinic we have two items on our

[1:29:52] agenda for tonight the first one is a cr

[1:29:54] about gun violence awareness month

[1:29:56] that's by myself

[1:29:58] uh definitely it's a saddening time

[1:30:00] throughout the country and globally

[1:30:03] where gun violence is something that's

[1:30:05] becoming more rampant throughout our

[1:30:06] communities i think it's important for

[1:30:08] us to intentionally recognize

[1:30:11] that this issue is going to require

[1:30:13] active engagement from our communities

[1:30:15] and also recognizing the steps that our

[1:30:18] community individually has been making

[1:30:19] to

[1:30:21] actively work to make sure we're

[1:30:23] protecting the safety of not only our

[1:30:24] students and our high schools and

[1:30:26] our other academic institutions but also

[1:30:29] making sure that we're recognizing the anguish that exists outside the

[1:30:34] city's connectivity and also talk to uh

[1:30:36] some of the power that's required

[1:30:39] um of individuals to pick up their very

[1:30:41] good platforms

[1:30:43] and and use their voices for good so

[1:30:46] i think i was getting too preachy at the

[1:30:48] end um

[1:30:49] but definitely it doesn't take someone

[1:30:51] very very hard or long to recognize the attachments to why gun

[1:30:57] violence needs to be addressed i know we

[1:31:00] are at the local stage and i'm not

[1:31:03] proposing that i'm not promoting that we

[1:31:06] try and

[1:31:08] reach out to the state legislators but i

[1:31:10] think as a community we need to send a

[1:31:11] powerful message that this is something

[1:31:13] that is

[1:31:14] not going to be tolerated in our

[1:31:15] communities and that we need to be

[1:31:17] together as well

[1:31:19] so is there any questions

[1:31:22] i'll move this

[1:31:23] a second

[1:31:26] the second agenda item is a grant award

[1:31:28] for the community trust building

[1:31:30] conversations that's going to be

[1:31:32] discussed by acc

[1:31:37] we're going to make a nice opportunity

[1:31:38] to form with brian

[1:31:41] here to ask you guys to accept a grant

[1:31:44] from dcjs the amount of twenty one

[1:31:46] thousand five hundred dollars

[1:31:48] we will reach uh dc js reach out process

[1:31:51] a few months ago and asked us that we'd

[1:31:53] be part of a pilot program

[1:31:55] for community trust building

[1:31:57] right now we have two procedural justice

[1:31:59] master instructors in our department

[1:32:01] they took place

[1:32:04] through some virtual trust building

[1:32:06] throughout different communities

[1:32:07] throughout the state and now they want

[1:32:09] to bring it to communities so we were

[1:32:11] chosen as well as utica

[1:32:14] so they are paying

[1:32:16] for members of the community as well as

[1:32:18] for the backfilling for officers and

[1:32:21] for a location to host the events that

[1:32:23] be closed off to the public

[1:32:25] the finn institute will be there to

[1:32:28] document

[1:32:30] the conversation that they have and to

[1:32:32] evaluate how the conversations are going

[1:32:34] and

[1:32:36] then report will be generated

[1:32:40] thank you any questions

[1:32:43] how many offices will be involved in

[1:32:44] this up to eight officers um

[1:32:47] i believe they are

[1:32:49] i know that we have the kind of master's

[1:32:51] overseeing

[1:32:52] from the police side

[1:32:54] and as well as attending antinovic

[1:32:56] and then i believe there's six

[1:32:58] actual officers taking part in the

[1:33:00] conversations

[1:33:01] so that's who the eight attendees are

[1:33:03] yes

[1:33:05] so the public

[1:33:06] is this to create uh trust with the

[1:33:09] public so there's public attendees as

[1:33:10] well yes there's there's gonna be eight

[1:33:12] from there there's something what we're

[1:33:13] seeing from the public side and then um

[1:33:15] there's community members that uh we

[1:33:18] were selected already um that would be

[1:33:20] taking part in that well then that's

[1:33:22] kind of my question so how were because

[1:33:23] this is the first i've heard of it so

[1:33:25] how were um community members chosen to

[1:33:27] be a part of this so julia holcomb is

[1:33:30] the person that was chosen from the

[1:33:33] community

[1:33:34] um i don't know how she was selected um

[1:33:36] and then she was reaching out to members

[1:33:38] of the community

[1:33:39] so i

[1:33:41] was not part of that okay

[1:33:43] and how many members from the community

[1:33:45] as well

[1:33:51] i i guess maybe this answers my question

[1:33:53] i'm not sure so i see so there's eight

[1:33:55] officers eight community members

[1:33:58] which i think is kind of a low amount

[1:34:00] really but um for a time of community

[1:34:01] conversation that you want to achieve

[1:34:04] i thought that was a low amount for

[1:34:05] trying to achieve a community community

[1:34:07] conversation however um that's the

[1:34:09] number that you know that you've chosen

[1:34:15] how many people have yeah

[1:34:26] 20 attendees how do you account for the

[1:34:27] food

[1:34:29] how do we count for them

[1:34:44] i understand that it says eight maybe 16

[1:34:46] eight officers eight people 20 attendees

[1:34:49] for the food oh sorry we're just trying

[1:34:50] to figure that out be personal so okay

[1:34:52] so so there's two other people from the

[1:34:54] financial sixties okay i'm sorry that's

[1:34:56] all yeah that's why i wanted that

[1:34:58] if the council president wanted to

[1:35:00] attend

[1:35:01] i wasn't invited clearly they knew who

[1:35:03] they wanted in the room

[1:35:05] i'll make a call for you

[1:35:07] are there any questions

[1:35:09] well i think it's i think it's fantastic

[1:35:11] that we were selected by uh by the

[1:35:14] organization and that we're getting the

[1:35:15] grant um it certainly was part of our

[1:35:17] reform and reinvention process to

[1:35:20] be doing what we could

[1:35:21] to

[1:35:23] look at how we can

[1:35:24] develop trust so the fact that this is

[1:35:26] going to be a little bit of a pilot

[1:35:27] research study will help pave the way

[1:35:30] for those later conversations

[1:35:32] um that we also have included in the

[1:35:34] reform so i congratulate the department

[1:35:37] on another

[1:35:38] grant

[1:35:40] as well as being selected so we're

[1:35:42] excited to get started with it okay good

[1:35:45] job all right just wanna start any

[1:35:46] questions and have a motion solo second

[1:35:49] favorite

[1:35:50] unless there are any other items that

[1:35:52] fall before public safety and utilities committee service

[1:36:04] services

[1:36:05] first

[1:36:06] agenda is

[1:36:08] the award of municipal water

[1:36:10] supply well project

[1:36:12] i don't see mr lafon he uh unfortunately

[1:36:15] has a tested positive for coleman

[1:36:18] this

[1:36:19] is an upgrade of our wells or some of

[1:36:21] them are at the

[1:36:23] end of their useful life

[1:36:25] went out for bids for

[1:36:28] three new wells

[1:36:29] which is the

[1:36:31] million three

[1:36:32] that's before you

[1:36:34] and

[1:36:35] it's also an error in the second sheet

[1:36:39] for the alternative one which is listed

[1:36:42] it's actually twenty one thousand

[1:36:44] dollars on the one side that says it's

[1:36:46] 21 million dollars

[1:36:49] that

[1:36:50] is decommission the old wells when we

[1:36:54] take those out of service

[1:36:56] we've worked with this company before

[1:37:00] it's a highly specialized area

[1:37:02] and

[1:37:04] recommending the council that uh improve

[1:37:06] it and move ahead with this project

[1:37:09] any questions or comments

[1:37:11] this policy so i understand that we just

[1:37:13] had this one company bid on this

[1:37:14] particular although other companies did

[1:37:16] download the um

[1:37:18] looked at it again it's highly

[1:37:20] specialized work they've

[1:37:22] done work here before so

[1:37:24] uh

[1:37:25] they don't say it too loud but they came

[1:37:28] in under what our in-house

[1:37:30] estimates were for costs so uh

[1:37:39] any other questions comments

[1:37:41] i have a motion i'll move it

[1:37:43] second

[1:37:46] motion to adjourn all in favor aye aye

[1:37:50] now i'd like a motion to address that

[1:37:52] second

[1:37:54] almost favor

[1:37:58] i'd like to call the order of city

[1:37:59] development and planning we have 12

[1:38:01] items on the agenda

[1:38:03] the first item award bid and contract

[1:38:05] for the 2022 schenectady tips paving

[1:38:07] program

[1:38:08] mr wall

[1:38:18] so the first one is like we said warping

[1:38:20] contract 2022 paving uh my apologies for

[1:38:24] getting it to be filled now but i wanted

[1:38:26] to get something together that's also uh

[1:38:28] to give a summary of what we've been

[1:38:30] doing because to someone in schenectady

[1:38:32] they may wonder how we're awarding the

[1:38:34] paving program we've been paying them

[1:38:35] all year

[1:38:36] so what we've been doing is this is a

[1:38:38] list of all the paving that we were

[1:38:40] wrapping up this year because our paving

[1:38:42] program went out late last year so as

[1:38:45] you see uh we've already done almost

[1:38:47] seven and a half miles of road this year

[1:38:50] we have also started

[1:38:52] actually we're starting next week what

[1:38:54] we're calling the cdbg paving program

[1:38:56] which is the list here

[1:38:58] these are cgpg fun page roads

[1:39:01] which is a mile these are specific to

[1:39:04] our focused neighborhoods primarily

[1:39:06] around hamilton hill

[1:39:08] so this project will be getting started

[1:39:10] in june and then the project which we

[1:39:12] are actually looking to award today is

[1:39:15] actually the third sheet which says 2022

[1:39:18] chips program

[1:39:20] which is five miles um five miles for

[1:39:23] similar amount of money

[1:39:25] prices have gone up for asphalt also a

[1:39:28] big chunk of this one is eastern

[1:39:30] which is a long road um we estimates did

[1:39:33] come in where we thought they would

[1:39:35] and we are comfortable with the number

[1:39:37] that we got the contractor is the same

[1:39:39] contractor that was working

[1:39:42] on our 2021 project in the city of

[1:39:44] schenectady um we also had a second bid

[1:39:48] from callan and kalanine is doing a lot

[1:39:50] of our federal work right now so you

[1:39:52] will see

[1:39:53] at kalani

[1:39:53] not wendell you'll see counting in

[1:39:55] around city hall callanan was on

[1:39:57] broadway and broadway roosevelt and city

[1:40:01] hall they are not included in these

[1:40:02] lists because

[1:40:04] it's just another project and it's

[1:40:05] another list so we have a lot going on

[1:40:08] in the city right now

[1:40:10] um the big project i know we've been

[1:40:11] getting a lot of complaints on it was a

[1:40:13] ten night for 2022 and we are

[1:40:16] looking to do uh

[1:40:18] tennis

[1:40:19] in mount pleasant that is a main side

[1:40:22] street i would call it the problem with

[1:40:24] tennie is it's one of those streets

[1:40:26] where not many people live on it goes through and everybody lives on

[1:40:30] the cross streets so it's always kind of

[1:40:32] been neglected

[1:40:33] but national grid has been in there we

[1:40:35] have had a lot of complaints about the

[1:40:36] condition of tenik so that is on there i

[1:40:39] know that some people will be happy

[1:40:40] about that

[1:40:41] and in addition we have other streets

[1:40:43] that we are working on we're doing them

[1:40:45] separately again

[1:40:47] so i'll just give you a heads up we are

[1:40:49] looking to put a contract out in the

[1:40:52] next month

[1:40:53] to rip up and replace all of the

[1:40:55] concrete near the michigan avenue

[1:40:57] baseball field

[1:40:58] [Music]

[1:40:59] that interchange is falling apart we are

[1:41:02] contemplating with the cost of asphalt

[1:41:04] if we put concrete back or not so we're

[1:41:06] doing a little cost benefit similarly

[1:41:09] over by grandview concrete

[1:41:11] on altima

[1:41:13] we have a section there that is in bad

[1:41:15] chase

[1:41:16] we're

[1:41:17] looking at that section and then we are

[1:41:19] looking at doing a slight road widening

[1:41:22] at gulf road and route seven

[1:41:25] um because if you're familiar with gulf

[1:41:26] road route 7 right by the babe ruth

[1:41:28] field it is essentially one and a half

[1:41:31] lanes wide depending on where a car goes

[1:41:34] so we're working with the dlt and making

[1:41:35] it officially two lanes a straight left

[1:41:38] and a right we really think that's going

[1:41:39] to improve traffic flow

[1:41:41] to have that there so that's going to be

[1:41:43] another contract that's coming

[1:41:45] this is a little bit more vanilla we did

[1:41:48] not want to

[1:41:49] kind of mix up a large project with a

[1:41:53] mill and fill project but i just wanted

[1:41:55] to give you a heads up that that is

[1:41:56] coming as well

[1:41:58] so

[1:41:59] is there any questions i

[1:42:01] you know feel free to ask um this

[1:42:02] project is all chips money chips is our

[1:42:06] state assisted money you'll be hearing

[1:42:08] about it a little bit because we got a

[1:42:10] little bit more chips money so we really

[1:42:12] need to start drawing down on that

[1:42:14] because we are

[1:42:15] we have quite a bit of it so we do have

[1:42:17] the funding to pay for this and the

[1:42:19] other projects and

[1:42:21] we did we're in a good spot i think mr

[1:42:24] baldwin uh chris this is related to

[1:42:27] something you said not necessarily this

[1:42:29] project with the cement projects

[1:42:32] um if you remember when they did part of

[1:42:35] the crosstown group seven they had

[1:42:36] pre-poured

[1:42:39] this last slab

[1:42:41] is that something that we could do and

[1:42:43] maybe it'd be a little bit more cost

[1:42:45] effective

[1:42:47] i haven't seen it done much with the

[1:42:49] prequel i mean whenever we're doing it

[1:42:51] i have seen it done we were looking at a

[1:42:53] raised intersection in a couple areas

[1:42:55] where they do put panels in to save time

[1:42:57] with that but i haven't seen it done

[1:42:58] with roads because they now make very

[1:43:01] efficient actual concrete machines to

[1:43:04] pour roads where the trucks come and do

[1:43:06] it i'm not saying it can't be done

[1:43:08] but uh usually you're they're poured in

[1:43:11] place or they're whether that but for sections yes i have seen panels and

[1:43:16] we were looking at doing that that's why

[1:43:18] just like brandywine avenue um we put

[1:43:20] that out to bid if anybody was wondering

[1:43:22] whatever happened to brandywine avenue

[1:43:23] that's been you know kind of out there

[1:43:24] for a while we put it out to bid and it

[1:43:26] came in over almost 100 of the budget

[1:43:29] and a lot of that was the precast panels

[1:43:31] and everything associated with a raised

[1:43:34] intersection so we're going to try

[1:43:35] moving forward with that as an alternate

[1:43:37] because

[1:43:38] at the time race intersections were kind

[1:43:41] of something that everybody was like you

[1:43:42] know how does this work and they're

[1:43:44] found to be effective but not half a

[1:43:46] million dollars effective there's other

[1:43:48] things that we can do that are better

[1:43:50] for taxpayer dollars so we'll be doing

[1:43:52] that but i'll look into it but we're

[1:43:53] really trying you know the mayor and i

[1:43:55] have had a conversation about where that

[1:43:57] tipping point is with asphalt and and

[1:43:59] concrete roadways there's plenty of

[1:44:01] studies out there

[1:44:03] yeah and the problem with the roadways

[1:44:04] that we have right now they're older and

[1:44:07] they're hard to patch we just look at it

[1:44:09] each

[1:44:10] hole that you see would need to be saw

[1:44:11] cut into a square

[1:44:13] and then repaired and then there's

[1:44:15] cracks and so we went started we just

[1:44:17] said you know what we've gotten our

[1:44:18] money out of this road but especially

[1:44:20] the michigan ave intersection i mean we

[1:44:22] get a lot of cars that come through

[1:44:24] there every day and we really need to

[1:44:26] you know put our best foot forward on

[1:44:27] that one but that's not this this is big

[1:44:30] with the road

[1:44:32] unless i get my project screwed up here

[1:44:34] uh with the road that you said you were

[1:44:36] going to tear up

[1:44:37] uh have you looked at the numbers for

[1:44:39] making that cement instead of asphalt

[1:44:43] which road the one i don't remember you

[1:44:45] went through so much michigan

[1:44:51] because yeah those are their sections

[1:44:54] they're high volume um especially

[1:44:56] michigan probably not ultimate when we

[1:44:59] get to it because altamonte is just such

[1:45:01] a simple straight line shot

[1:45:04] um but with the michigan one definitely

[1:45:06] a lot of turning movements a lot of

[1:45:08] trucks well we're definitely gonna we'll

[1:45:10] reconsider what we're doing there

[1:45:12] so this is the this is the pavement

[1:45:13] program here i just wanted to give

[1:45:15] everybody all the information

[1:45:17] any other questions

[1:45:24] so i know previously uh you mentioned

[1:45:27] that you're unfortunately at the expense

[1:45:29] of having managers so having enough

[1:45:31] engineers to facilitate these projects i

[1:45:33] know for me before getting on the

[1:45:34] council you would assume it's funding

[1:45:36] but i know your office does really well

[1:45:38] at acquiring grants is there ever a

[1:45:40] position where you get to the end of the

[1:45:41] fiscal year you have to return money or

[1:45:43] do you project that you'll be able to

[1:45:45] spend down um the chips money that we

[1:45:47] can do so the chips money rolls over

[1:45:49] okay so

[1:45:50] we're we're fortunate in that um but

[1:45:52] what ended up happening was during covid

[1:45:54] we actually got some of our money but we

[1:45:56] weren't really spending it so we ended

[1:45:58] up with a little bit more than we would

[1:45:59] have so now we have it and also as

[1:46:01] you've awarded before we're getting this

[1:46:03] touring wrap money which is the second

[1:46:05] year of that so uh no i mean what i am

[1:46:07] doing is you know i am using chips money

[1:46:09] for

[1:46:10] many more things than i've ever used it

[1:46:12] before i have now

[1:46:14] we're doing designs for

[1:46:18] maybe almost a dozen different roadway

[1:46:20] areas we're doing signal replacement

[1:46:22] designs roadway designs and we're using

[1:46:24] chips money to pay for all that because

[1:46:26] it's eligible

[1:46:27] and so um for instance this interest

[1:46:29] this interjection while we were out

[1:46:31] there at hamburg and um altima you know

[1:46:34] kind of by that pizza shore and the

[1:46:36] point of auto repair

[1:46:38] the signal is terrible you know and it

[1:46:40] was like you know what if we're going to

[1:46:42] be here so separately looking at the

[1:46:43] signal which is chip's electricity you

[1:46:45] know so we're going to do is it can be

[1:46:47] done separately but we're going to do

[1:46:48] the signal because if anybody's driving

[1:46:50] up broadway and guilderland we did that

[1:46:52] intersection over and it's been really

[1:46:54] successful and that hamburg intersection

[1:46:56] is very similar in geometry to that so

[1:46:58] we're going to look at replacing all

[1:47:00] that there's you get to the point where

[1:47:01] the auto storage you'll notice that you

[1:47:02] actually can't cross

[1:47:04] it's just there's just a point and then

[1:47:05] you're just supposed to cross on your

[1:47:06] own so we're going to make that so you

[1:47:08] can actually cross flip the pet heads

[1:47:10] there but that's all in design so yeah

[1:47:11] we're

[1:47:12] we are using the chips money as fast as

[1:47:14] the staff can and we're also paying a

[1:47:16] lot of consultants and we have you know

[1:47:19] we're using consultants to supervise

[1:47:21] this so we have a consultant

[1:47:24] all day when the consult when they're

[1:47:25] out there looking at each one you know

[1:47:27] they're taking slips they're making sure

[1:47:28] the projects are getting built to spec

[1:47:30] if there's questions they're calling and

[1:47:32] then my assistant's going out to meet

[1:47:33] with them or with mike cerrone or paul

[1:47:35] so there is a lot of coordination going

[1:47:37] on and all that is chip's eligible

[1:47:39] thank you green

[1:47:40] since you're talking about that also you

[1:47:42] might want to mention francis and willit

[1:47:45] was down there

[1:47:47] with that intersection oh the

[1:47:49] intersection the intersection

[1:47:50] yeah great project

[1:47:52] okay so like we can go on about this all

[1:47:55] day

[1:47:56] francis and that that intersection was

[1:47:59] one of our best projects we got rid of a

[1:48:01] just completely obsolete intersection

[1:48:04] that had no business being in a

[1:48:06] neighborhood we removed almost 40

[1:48:08] percent of asphalt we increased our

[1:48:10] grass and what we are doing is we're

[1:48:12] working with another consultant on chips

[1:48:14] and we are as part of the craig maine

[1:48:16] kind of overall plan for mount pleasant

[1:48:18] we're now looking at uh forest in maine

[1:48:21] and forest and holland because those are

[1:48:23] similar very large odd intersections

[1:48:26] near a school so we're looking to narrow

[1:48:28] those up as well yeah we really think

[1:48:30] that forest is yeah and what with the timing of couldn't have been better

[1:48:35] because i am nervous about when the

[1:48:36] bridge is completed

[1:48:38] um the speeds on the bridge

[1:48:40] prior to it being repaired were high

[1:48:43] and so we are concerned about that

[1:48:45] bridge being

[1:48:46] you know fast and so having that stop

[1:48:48] sign there and that hopefully that helps

[1:48:50] to slow but

[1:48:51] that bridge is very long and very

[1:48:53] straight and you know people like to ride on

[1:48:58] any other questions or comments

[1:49:02] second all those in favor

[1:49:05] all right thank you uh the next uh item

[1:49:08] number two transportation uh new york

[1:49:10] city d.o.t to pave our potholes yay

[1:49:15] program funding mr wellington sure so

[1:49:18] this is a new program i believe booked

[1:49:21] by the governor called pop favor

[1:49:23] potholes it is a additional allocation

[1:49:26] of state money that will go into our

[1:49:29] trips account

[1:49:30] so it is

[1:49:32] no different than emergency winter

[1:49:33] recovery paid new york or the new york

[1:49:36] state touring money it is just the

[1:49:37] latest acronym

[1:49:39] so this will go into our pot of money to

[1:49:42] go for our projects

[1:49:44] and um you know we welcome any new money

[1:49:46] that we get

[1:49:49] any questions i'll move this second all

[1:49:52] those in favor

[1:49:54] and uh the right amount you've done a

[1:49:56] discussion of north college street um

[1:50:03] i hope everybody had a chance to kind of

[1:50:05] look at this a little bit i would really

[1:50:06] like this to be a discussion so that can

[1:50:08] lead to an action item

[1:50:10] um i've been working a lot with mr

[1:50:13] palmini and the neighborhood

[1:50:15] specifically diane runkle who lives on

[1:50:16] the block who's organizing everything

[1:50:18] i did not have time to include this but

[1:50:20] she did send it to me i made enough

[1:50:22] copies for everybody which is you know

[1:50:24] their petition which is really the first

[1:50:25] start and andrew i don't know if you had

[1:50:27] time to

[1:50:28] review everything but uh you know that's

[1:50:30] really the first part of it is the

[1:50:32] petition of the residence and she has on

[1:50:35] here you know

[1:50:36] the percentages the church

[1:50:39] is the former church and the historic is

[1:50:41] the historic society museum that exists

[1:50:44] so

[1:50:45] the issue with those two particular

[1:50:48] properties and why she has those

[1:50:49] highlighted is that

[1:50:51] the church and the historic society have

[1:50:53] sidewalks that are compliant

[1:50:55] the church itself actually has a nice

[1:50:57] curb and a sidewalk um

[1:51:00] so

[1:51:01] they aren't interested in paying

[1:51:03] to have their sidewalks replaced because

[1:51:05] they have sidewalks that are in good

[1:51:07] shape

[1:51:08] however in order to successfully

[1:51:10] complete the project to the level that i

[1:51:12] think everybody at this table wants to

[1:51:14] see

[1:51:15] i do think it's going to be necessary to

[1:51:16] take out at least the churches because

[1:51:19] it is extremely high compared to the

[1:51:21] notes of the road because they built up

[1:51:23] when we're probably going to take the

[1:51:24] road down

[1:51:26] and so the two action items that i kind

[1:51:29] of wanted to discuss with you

[1:51:31] is one

[1:51:33] the possibility of

[1:51:35] setting this program up similarly we

[1:51:38] have in the past which is

[1:51:40] at a rate

[1:51:42] and not based off of market value

[1:51:45] and second

[1:51:47] that we would be okay with in principle

[1:51:50] the city

[1:51:51] um bearing the cost of replacement of

[1:51:54] that compliant particular sidewalk

[1:51:57] so that we can do the project uniformly

[1:52:00] so i included in here to camp avenue

[1:52:02] it's the last page to camp in hartsley

[1:52:04] we did them similarly but the camp is

[1:52:06] more closer in a project

[1:52:09] to north college because it was with

[1:52:10] curb

[1:52:11] um and what you'll see is you know we

[1:52:13] set a price we said it was 55 44

[1:52:16] uniformly applied it now i'm not saying

[1:52:19] we set the price at 55.44 this was a

[1:52:21] couple years ago and i know everyone's

[1:52:23] aware there's inflation and costs but i

[1:52:25] think it would be better for

[1:52:28] the residents

[1:52:29] and for us pushing it if we were to

[1:52:32] set a number

[1:52:34] and this i hate to use the subsidy

[1:52:36] program but essentially be is these

[1:52:38] neighbors and these residents of the

[1:52:39] street are willing to put forward this

[1:52:42] amount of money as degree and then the

[1:52:43] city will you know i've already you know

[1:52:46] we pay for the curb already we pay for

[1:52:47] the pavement already um the only part

[1:52:50] that i included that gets a little

[1:52:52] complicated is as you see in some of

[1:52:54] yours the you know behind the curving

[1:52:56] behind the sidewalk i'm sorry and some

[1:52:58] of the other areas

[1:53:00] this is a very complex project but i

[1:53:02] know that not only the residents but the

[1:53:05] members of the stockade association are

[1:53:08] very interested in seeing you know this

[1:53:10] is their stockade streetscape plan

[1:53:12] really interested in seeing this being

[1:53:13] their first

[1:53:15] uh step at it

[1:53:16] so

[1:53:19] questions comments how we can how we can

[1:53:21] sexually do this

[1:53:23] um

[1:53:24] so um miss brunkel has been working on

[1:53:27] this

[1:53:28] very diligently for quite a long time

[1:53:32] because of the complexity of the project

[1:53:35] as mr wallins spoken about it has taken

[1:53:38] a long time um

[1:53:42] i would the stockade association is very

[1:53:45] much in favor of this i'm sure they'll

[1:53:47] be out

[1:53:48] at a meeting to speak in favor

[1:53:51] um

[1:53:51] but i would encourage us to try to move

[1:53:54] forward with this

[1:53:55] we have set aside

[1:53:57] a chunk of money i believe there's

[1:53:59] several hundred thousand dollars 550 000

[1:54:02] left in the program left in that program

[1:54:06] it would enable us to do this

[1:54:09] and to mr long's point i think it would

[1:54:12] be

[1:54:12] beneficial to set a

[1:54:15] price and

[1:54:16] perhaps a proportion of what the prices

[1:54:19] were

[1:54:20] when we did parsley and those

[1:54:23] and we can get that percentage and do

[1:54:25] similar for

[1:54:27] these individuals because the road was

[1:54:29] just paved it looks beautiful it gets a

[1:54:31] lot of pedestrian it was not we did not

[1:54:34] pave this particular block yet oh all

[1:54:36] right we actually stopped okay because

[1:54:38] we didn't want to pave it and then rip

[1:54:40] it off right it does get a lot of it

[1:54:42] does get a lot of pedestrian

[1:54:44] usage um and it is a

[1:54:47] actually a very key component of the

[1:54:50] walkability of the stockade association

[1:54:54] believes this is one of their most

[1:54:56] traversed by pedestrian corridors

[1:54:58] because it is the gateway from union and

[1:55:01] then people trying to get to the parks

[1:55:04] and so this is the route you would take

[1:55:06] i don't know the situation that led to

[1:55:07] it but the second block has been done uh

[1:55:11] it is in much different condition than

[1:55:12] the first block but the first block is

[1:55:16] i guess the word would be like a

[1:55:17] potpourri of different things it is you

[1:55:20] know era of houses setbacks uh curb

[1:55:23] reveals and it is not the camp it is not parsley it

[1:55:27] is a unique beast unto itself which is

[1:55:30] why you know i think you know if we

[1:55:31] could set that value and then understand

[1:55:33] that it's going to that target's going

[1:55:35] to move a little bit as we go to try to

[1:55:37] get the the product to look like what we

[1:55:40] want it to look like i don't think this

[1:55:41] is something where we want it to look

[1:55:43] like quilt work necessarily

[1:55:46] leaving things

[1:55:47] because it is such a gateway

[1:55:49] and i would have to work with the

[1:55:50] stockade association

[1:55:52] and the residents about

[1:55:55] just how the street is going to be put

[1:55:57] together when we do it there's some

[1:55:59] options that we have which would be you

[1:56:01] know do we try to

[1:56:03] limit the green space and increase the

[1:56:05] width do we want to

[1:56:07] keep the width and hold the green space

[1:56:11] and there's some of the pictures i have

[1:56:12] here you know there's trash cans there's

[1:56:14] a lot of

[1:56:15] it's an urban stockade it's a little bit

[1:56:17] different it's very much different than

[1:56:19] the other projects that we've done in

[1:56:20] the past

[1:56:22] um would this require taking any trees

[1:56:24] down

[1:56:25] yes there would be what the trees that

[1:56:27] are coming those trees that you see in

[1:56:29] this picture obviously

[1:56:31] so these trees right now as it's

[1:56:33] currently constituted will not have to

[1:56:35] come down

[1:56:36] this tree most likely and then all of

[1:56:38] the trees on the other side we would

[1:56:40] take down but those property owners are

[1:56:42] asking us to take them all down because

[1:56:44] all the sidewalks are i'm not

[1:56:46] recommending you put any trees

[1:56:48] on

[1:56:49] the odd side of the street the side

[1:56:52] opposite uh

[1:56:54] i don't want to say it i think it was

[1:56:55] the south side just because there's

[1:56:57] utility lines that run right above it

[1:56:59] the trees are growing right into it and

[1:57:00] the sidewalks are all pitched so if we

[1:57:03] were to do it i would

[1:57:04] the reason i can't push the road that

[1:57:05] way though is where the utility lines

[1:57:07] are so

[1:57:09] i'm not really looking out on anything

[1:57:10] when we when we build it but if trees

[1:57:13] are desired we're going to try to leave

[1:57:14] those trees those aren't affecting

[1:57:15] anything but there are some trees that

[1:57:17] are very much affecting what's going on

[1:57:19] down there all right is this the type of

[1:57:21] place

[1:57:22] no that one i'm going to try to work

[1:57:25] with

[1:57:26] um because in this one they left

[1:57:29] no this one this one's very new when

[1:57:30] they did it but this one they left this

[1:57:32] buffer so i would be hoping that i could

[1:57:34] make upgrade in this buffer the church

[1:57:37] one which i don't know it's a very nice

[1:57:39] looking brand new sidewalk

[1:57:41] they ramped up

[1:57:44] and i understand what they were doing

[1:57:48] but yeah this is it right here you can

[1:57:49] see so what happens is they actually

[1:57:52] ramp up oh i see that and by ramping

[1:57:55] up

[1:57:56] they have six inches reveal over how the

[1:57:58] road is if i were to keep this reveal

[1:58:01] all the way around the road on the south

[1:58:03] side of the street the odd side of the

[1:58:05] street the curve would be higher than

[1:58:07] the first step

[1:58:08] and i would pitch water back to the

[1:58:10] homeless

[1:58:11] so what i need to do is take the road

[1:58:14] down

[1:58:15] so that i can have a minimum curb reveal

[1:58:17] and if i do that the chance is i'm gonna

[1:58:19] have a 10 inch reveal here and we don't

[1:58:21] want that whereas out here see i don't

[1:58:24] have any reveal i could make that work i

[1:58:26] believe

[1:58:28] but i'm probably this road has already

[1:58:29] been scanned as part of the gis program

[1:58:32] that i did so we're probably going to

[1:58:33] have to work with that it's like a 3d

[1:58:35] survey

[1:58:36] because

[1:58:37] it's kind of a nightmare you know like

[1:58:39] we have steps and we have drives

[1:58:42] you know landings that we have hit we

[1:58:43] have to hit all these things but i guess

[1:58:45] i will deal with the nightmare

[1:58:47] if we can come to some agreement of you

[1:58:49] know how we're actually going to go

[1:58:50] forward you know i've kind of worked

[1:58:52] with john and diane and we've gotten to

[1:58:54] a point where now we need your support

[1:58:57] of not only the project but of you know

[1:58:59] the percentages that we have and uh you

[1:59:02] know i can work on this and we can even

[1:59:04] do the public hearing and get people's

[1:59:05] input

[1:59:06] but i don't want to go any farther

[1:59:08] without the support of the council

[1:59:11] are there any questions

[1:59:13] so just some clarity so we said uh the

[1:59:16] four highlighted in yellow are we saying

[1:59:18] that the church and the other buildings

[1:59:21] and one of the city of property

[1:59:23] are you going to redo all four of these

[1:59:25] or it's just that you're going to do a

[1:59:26] man

[1:59:27] so

[1:59:29] down here the vacant lot of the holes is

[1:59:31] it the old charge

[1:59:33] the cottage rose what's that

[1:59:36] oh

[1:59:37] i'm not 18 and 16. so the old church in

[1:59:40] the vacant church lot those are those

[1:59:42] are the ones that we would have to take

[1:59:43] out those are the high ones and they're

[1:59:45] wrong in an old church because it's no

[1:59:46] longer a church it's a stained glass

[1:59:48] company i believe

[1:59:49] and then the american society one that

[1:59:52] was the other one but that one we would

[1:59:53] try to leave i mean i would it'll it'll

[1:59:56] pain me in the

[1:59:57] some of my head or add you to have a

[1:59:59] different color because the stock cave

[2:00:01] moved to a standard where now they want

[2:00:02] this like dark slate color

[2:00:05] but if i can make it work it's such a

[2:00:07] nice piece and it's there or the trees

[2:00:09] that you know i i wouldn't say so we're

[2:00:12] going to keep the

[2:00:13] i right now the idea is everything goes

[2:00:15] but the american decor historical

[2:00:17] society

[2:00:18] and everything else would but we have to

[2:00:22] uh from the entire cause for the other

[2:00:25] three for the only for that cottage

[2:00:27] rover it's just copper

[2:00:29] okay

[2:00:31] because they have a newer curb they made

[2:00:34] the investment i mean it's not you know

[2:00:35] we have

[2:00:36] 500 some thousand dollars in there it's

[2:00:38] nothing and then remember

[2:00:40] the 500 000 i'm using that only for the

[2:00:43] sidewalks

[2:00:45] so if you were to look at my estimate

[2:00:47] you know we are talking about

[2:00:49] roughly let's say

[2:00:51] 120 000

[2:00:53] out of that that's the max and then the

[2:00:56] curve and the

[2:00:57] asphalt and all that that comes out of

[2:00:58] my paving program

[2:01:00] you know i'm not putting that out of the

[2:01:02] sidewalk because we actually have

[2:01:03] almost three other streets that are

[2:01:05] looking to entertain this program so we

[2:01:07] do have some money for them as well and

[2:01:09] then when we get to a level we might

[2:01:11] have to come back and

[2:01:12] rebond for more we're not there yet but

[2:01:15] if it goes forward

[2:01:18] sorry

[2:01:20] yeah you talk about the reduced price

[2:01:22] in terms of setting one at a standard

[2:01:24] price and not what is

[2:01:26] the estimate

[2:01:28] what's the and you're looking at what

[2:01:30] you mean but it's also big bidding

[2:01:32] and a price that comes back from the

[2:01:34] contractor you're asking us to take a

[2:01:37] portion of that

[2:01:39] in-house

[2:01:42] i'm asking that if we were to

[2:01:44] almost set you could set the price today

[2:01:46] i could give you an estimate based off

[2:01:48] of some of the numbers i have because

[2:01:49] we're doing a lot of work right now

[2:01:50] and we would say that this is the number

[2:01:52] that we're comfortable with this is a

[2:01:53] number that the neighborhood's

[2:01:54] comfortable with maybe it's not 55 maybe

[2:01:56] it's 65 and that number works out and

[2:01:58] tell everybody and then whatever the

[2:01:59] bids come back and they come back in and

[2:02:02] we do the work and we don't we don't go

[2:02:05] okay well you owe us 20 more because the

[2:02:07] bid came in higher we just use it as

[2:02:08] some kind of a subsidy some of the

[2:02:10] models used before where

[2:02:12] the city just made up the difference

[2:02:14] where the numbers

[2:02:16] and i was getting there because uh we

[2:02:17] had the problem and we subsidized

[2:02:19] portion of this it was not sell

[2:02:22] correctly across the city people were

[2:02:24] complaining about why am i paying for

[2:02:26] the camp taxpayer paid for the camp or

[2:02:29] parsley

[2:02:30] those residents should bear the entire

[2:02:33] cause

[2:02:34] yeah

[2:02:35] i'm not an elected official my argument

[2:02:37] always is that these are residents that

[2:02:39] are putting skin in the game

[2:02:42] you know i mean this is not this is not

[2:02:43] free you know if they were to put it in

[2:02:45] this is this you know sixty five dollars

[2:02:47] times forty feet you know it's what is

[2:02:49] that twenty three hundred out you know

[2:02:50] that we're we're not giving things away

[2:02:52] but we're trying to subsidize to try to

[2:02:53] make the program work and you know mr

[2:02:55] palmini's been working on this for years

[2:02:57] we've been trying to come up with some

[2:02:59] way to improve our sidewalks so that is

[2:03:02] it i mean

[2:03:03] prior to mayor mccarthy's administration

[2:03:04] remember it was a lottery you know like

[2:03:07] for instance

[2:03:08] wright avenue got all brand new

[2:03:09] sidewalks for free and to camp where i

[2:03:12] am we'd pay you know i get an assessment

[2:03:14] every year so how did that get decided i

[2:03:17] just wanted new sidewalks and it seemed

[2:03:18] like a good program because it was done

[2:03:20] uniformly

[2:03:21] um but i understand that from from that

[2:03:23] but that's what

[2:03:24] yeah

[2:03:26] well no i

[2:03:31] so when um i think i think that's the

[2:03:33] old holy cross church and countertrove

[2:03:35] whatever so when they went ahead and did

[2:03:37] their sidewalks i'm assuming they had a

[2:03:38] permit and

[2:03:40] why didn't someone at that point just

[2:03:42] wanted to know that

[2:03:44] so i don't know when they when they did

[2:03:46] it now number one is that the current

[2:03:48] owner didn't do it so i can't ask them

[2:03:50] the church did it but what they did is

[2:03:52] they put in the curb and they put in the

[2:03:54] sidewalks per our plan based off the

[2:03:56] road but they didn't do it based off

[2:03:58] across the street

[2:04:00] you know they didn't do it based off of

[2:04:01] anything else so

[2:04:02] i think in hindsight yes they shouldn't

[2:04:05] have they should have put the curb in at

[2:04:06] two inches

[2:04:08] but uh i i think that's that is

[2:04:10] difficult i mean and that's why i

[2:04:12] included you know just so you guys so

[2:04:14] you see you know this this picture right

[2:04:16] here the first picture this is the curb

[2:04:18] reveal across the street from the church

[2:04:20] you know it's it's smooth so that's

[2:04:23] where and then and that that step

[2:04:26] right there that is one of my control

[2:04:28] points so i have to build almost the

[2:04:30] entire road

[2:04:32] i have to build the entire road based

[2:04:33] off of that step

[2:04:35] because if i go too high and i pitch

[2:04:37] water into that window

[2:04:38] that and we had that issue at the camp

[2:04:40] where we were being a little too

[2:04:42] stubborn to our city specs

[2:04:45] and we started pitching water

[2:04:47] and so now everything revolves around

[2:04:48] water we have to get the water where it

[2:04:51] needs to go because it results in a lot

[2:04:53] of reworking complaints but the idea of

[2:04:56] subsidy that's for you guys i mean we could say

[2:04:59] no when we can pass it right to them

[2:05:00] that's perfectly acceptable it's just

[2:05:03] it's a big variable that i don't have i

[2:05:04] can't give anybody a number based off of

[2:05:06] the bid right now

[2:05:08] miss patrick so if i hear what mr

[2:05:10] mcveiron is saying and certainly we did

[2:05:12] have um conflict when uh

[2:05:15] we ended up

[2:05:17] we were going to have to charge the

[2:05:19] residents of um to camp and artsley more

[2:05:21] than we had originally told them but i

[2:05:23] think in this instance

[2:05:25] we'll have a realistic price hopefully

[2:05:28] that that mr wall will be setting but if

[2:05:30] we go into it understanding that we

[2:05:32] might have to subsidize on the other end

[2:05:34] if that

[2:05:35] estimate

[2:05:36] uh ends up being a little low would be

[2:05:39] communicating that in advance to the

[2:05:40] residents so i think we would avoid the

[2:05:42] problem that we had before so i want to

[2:05:45] thank mr paul many for working so hard

[2:05:47] on this with ms runfield as you have for

[2:05:50] a while now been working on this um but

[2:05:53] i like the idea that

[2:05:55] if we

[2:05:57] i want to see this happen more and more so

[2:06:00] um i i definitely am in favor of

[2:06:02] actually having a subsidy as well as supporting paying the

[2:06:07] current owner of the property that put

[2:06:10] in the new sidewalks and that we would

[2:06:11] love to tear up um i'd support that as

[2:06:13] well

[2:06:16] so mr rivera mr bellamy so so question

[2:06:19] here uh mr ferrari would this

[2:06:21] neighborhood fall under the city

[2:06:28] then you

[2:06:29] [Music]

[2:06:35] to your point miss patrick the the two

[2:06:38] roads where we did have issues we ended

[2:06:40] up subsidizing them right we made right

[2:06:42] by them with a higher cost and it ended

[2:06:45] up turning out very nice um while it

[2:06:48] wasn't the

[2:06:50] intent

[2:06:51] the fact is it ends up being a

[2:06:53] public-private partnership with our

[2:06:55] residents it raises property values

[2:06:58] it increases the attractability of

[2:07:01] families to the city um

[2:07:04] you know i think it's something that we

[2:07:06] should really

[2:07:08] look to try to do and try to help out

[2:07:10] residents with their sidewalks because

[2:07:12] they are so expensive and

[2:07:14] costs have gone up and

[2:07:16] we have that 500 something 000 set aside

[2:07:19] for this purpose

[2:07:21] and to your point regarding the trees

[2:07:23] it's an excellent point

[2:07:25] but i believe the stockade has a tree

[2:07:29] program

[2:07:31] in place so that would kind of fix some

[2:07:34] of that

[2:07:36] all right so

[2:07:38] mr rivera

[2:07:39] so can we go to the homeowners with an

[2:07:42] estimated price and let them know that

[2:07:44] when the final bid

[2:07:45] comes in

[2:07:46] there will be a revised price and the

[2:07:48] cost will pass pass on to

[2:07:51] the difference with a revised

[2:07:55] so go to them with an estimate

[2:07:58] but with the understanding that after

[2:08:00] it's good that it would be revised yes

[2:08:03] my

[2:08:05] question is just go out for the bid so

[2:08:07] that we've got actual numbers

[2:08:10] right then go back and talk back to the

[2:08:12] council and say

[2:08:13] you're going to set the fee at

[2:08:16] 50 60

[2:08:18] yeah some appropriate number and to see

[2:08:21] what the

[2:08:23] you know

[2:08:24] yeah i can't agree with that because we

[2:08:25] need to give them the the true number uh

[2:08:28] i think we have learned from the streets

[2:08:30] and we did the complaints that we had

[2:08:32] and things like that passing on and out

[2:08:34] of taxpayer complaining if it was in the district of cdbg yes we

[2:08:40] could july cdbg funding that will set

[2:08:42] aside and they also push in that subsidy

[2:08:45] right in the car should pass on directly

[2:08:48] to all the homeowners because the same

[2:08:49] thing we had done for the

[2:08:51] central parkway we passed on the

[2:08:53] estimate we didn't tell them there was

[2:08:56] going to be any subsidy so they put it a

[2:08:58] hole right now trying to

[2:09:00] get the additional homeowners on board

[2:09:02] and everybody board with that price that

[2:09:04] estimated price that was presented

[2:09:06] and we did not tell them that we're

[2:09:07] going to subsidize the camp i'm sorry

[2:09:09] central parkway okay so we wanted to

[2:09:12] appear across the shore central parkway

[2:09:14] has uh i understand that but i don't

[2:09:16] remember that uh even coming to the uh

[2:09:20] public hearing

[2:09:21] and to allow for a discussion to

[2:09:24] subsidize that price no mr wally give us

[2:09:26] an estimate to present to the group

[2:09:29] right i understand that but the public

[2:09:31] hearing would allow them to comment and

[2:09:32] then it would have came back to us to

[2:09:34] either

[2:09:35] say yes with this price or

[2:09:37] okay i'm making up a number it's 80

[2:09:40] dollars

[2:09:41] you know you pay 65 will cover the 15.

[2:09:44] that's all i'm saying is that yeah so

[2:09:45] long just last year when we were doing

[2:09:47] this and we were just passing on the

[2:09:48] console and you were mentioning that

[2:09:50] it's 45 days it's valid for 45 days and

[2:09:52] they were like

[2:09:54] they were asking for subsidy and we're

[2:09:55] like no stop sitting true cause my my

[2:10:00] recommendation it's in conflict with

[2:10:02] yours but my recommendation is that we

[2:10:04] come to some agreement in this program

[2:10:06] and have a set number

[2:10:08] because we have so many people that are

[2:10:10] interested but they don't have a cost

[2:10:12] and that always stops everyone because

[2:10:13] the people that are on the fence always

[2:10:15] say well how much is it going to cost me

[2:10:18] and then we kind of hit a standstill and

[2:10:20] then the prices vary so much and when we

[2:10:22] do the bid and the bid number it could

[2:10:24] be substantial i mean i look at it as

[2:10:27] like i guess we you know

[2:10:28] um is that these are people that are

[2:10:31] they're putting skin in the game to get

[2:10:33] something back the only issue i can see

[2:10:35] as a taxpayer is if you were happy to be

[2:10:37] on the street where you wanted to do it

[2:10:39] but the street wasn't amicable to do it

[2:10:41] so you got caught in a catch 22 because

[2:10:44] we're not looking to do individual

[2:10:46] properties right so then that person can

[2:10:48] be shut out of the program right

[2:10:50] there i could see some conflict but i

[2:10:52] can get a bid i can put this i mean it's

[2:10:55] going to take me a little while if

[2:10:56] that's the direction we want to do

[2:10:57] because this is a like i said we're

[2:10:59] going to need a i'm going to need a

[2:11:00] design on it but if we want to go that

[2:11:01] right it's fine are we okay with these

[2:11:03] numbers moving forward because these are

[2:11:05] the numbers that you know the

[2:11:07] percentages i just want to make sure you

[2:11:08] know there's that because that's kind of

[2:11:11] the step one if you're comfortable with

[2:11:12] that i think then

[2:11:14] that's good i don't want it i don't want

[2:11:15] to come back and you say well there's

[2:11:16] not enough people that are in favor of a

[2:11:17] project because yeah what's their percentage

[2:11:23] some

[2:11:24] six

[2:11:26] seventy seven seventy

[2:11:27] one i think that's fine

[2:11:32] okay yeah all right then i will

[2:11:36] well just as a footnote i think

[2:11:38] if we move forward in this regard and

[2:11:41] follow mr walt's recommendation we could

[2:11:44] always go back to the residents of

[2:11:45] central parkway

[2:11:47] and just say here's what we now

[2:11:49] apologize

[2:11:51] because again remember that um

[2:11:54] it was a new

[2:11:55] program i mean i wasn't on council when

[2:11:57] it first

[2:11:58] started um

[2:12:00] i got to be on council when we got the

[2:12:02] complaints from the residents on the

[2:12:04] other end but um i think

[2:12:07] you know we can always go back to

[2:12:08] central parkway people and maybe they'll

[2:12:10] do it but i just think the more that we

[2:12:11] can grow this program we hear about it

[2:12:14] all the time i'm sure we all do people

[2:12:15] calling about about sidewalks

[2:12:18] so i think it's i think it's a great

[2:12:20] program so

[2:12:21] what are your next um i'm sorry

[2:12:24] so what what are your next

[2:12:26] our next steps here well i guess

[2:12:28] if it sounds like the recommendation is

[2:12:30] to go forward with the design in a bit

[2:12:32] and get numbers and bring them back to

[2:12:34] this group

[2:12:36] um the only thing i will say about that

[2:12:38] is i understand that that is the most

[2:12:40] time-consuming way possible

[2:12:43] for

[2:12:44] me for you so i just if we don't go

[2:12:46] forward you know like like if we if if

[2:12:48] we had something in the paint no so now

[2:12:50] what we're going to do is we're going to

[2:12:51] get the numbers we're going to go to the

[2:12:52] people and we're going to there is a lot

[2:12:54] of time in other words so if they say no

[2:12:57] i just spent a lot of time with bids and

[2:13:00] documents

[2:13:06] and it's always

[2:13:08] just what the final number is and what

[2:13:10] the uh so what we'll go for i just if

[2:13:12] that's the way we're gonna

[2:13:14] it makes sense because hopefully we'll

[2:13:16] have a realistic number exactly i'm

[2:13:18] sorry in this sorry

[2:13:21] the cost

[2:13:22] estimates and the allocation over

[2:13:25] financing again the homeowner is given

[2:13:28] the property owner is given the

[2:13:29] opportunity to just pay up front they

[2:13:32] can pay the number and be done

[2:13:34] or they can finance it this is the 5 10

[2:13:37] 15

[2:13:39] you can go up to 20 years with this it

[2:13:41] creates more

[2:13:42] paperwork in the finance department

[2:13:45] but the sidewalks are going to last over

[2:13:49] 20 years you know it's a major

[2:13:51] investment it's a long term

[2:13:53] improvement in

[2:13:56] sometimes that can make a difference

[2:13:57] people look at what's

[2:13:59] actually going to cost them every year

[2:14:02] you know and if it's

[2:14:03] a couple hundred dollars

[2:14:05] they're much more amenable to it than if

[2:14:06] it's a couple thousand now yeah

[2:14:09] okay okay

[2:14:10] thank

[2:14:20] approximately are we supposed to

[2:14:22] replenish that um

[2:14:37] okay

[2:14:43] um there is at the last on the

[2:14:47] spreadsheet you provided chris

[2:14:49] van dyke law you don't have any footage

[2:14:51] on that are you planning to replace the

[2:14:53] sidewalk no okay i saw the costs

[2:14:55] associated all right no i'm gonna leave

[2:14:57] i was planning on leaving the van dyke

[2:14:59] car okay okay okay

[2:15:01] all right

[2:15:02] so any other questions comments so mr

[2:15:05] wallace it's clear that you'll do some

[2:15:07] work

[2:15:08] well thank you for all the more thanks

[2:15:09] for having me i appreciate that and

[2:15:11] thank you mr palomini along with miss

[2:15:13] uncle yes she was here she must oh she's

[2:15:16] back

[2:15:22] for all the work you put into this so i

[2:15:24] appreciate that yeah so

[2:15:25] do some work

[2:15:27] all right thank you guys all right thank

[2:15:28] you

[2:15:31] okay item on the agenda is the resulting

[2:15:33] of 12 76 78 and 88 uh belmont avenue we

[2:15:38] had a public hearing on

[2:15:40] may 23rd and um

[2:15:43] i don't think anybody actually signed up

[2:15:45] for that public hearing so right now we

[2:15:46] just need to move this out

[2:15:49] so second all those in favor hi hi

[2:15:52] and uh item number five the application

[2:15:55] of the uh overlay historic district

[2:15:57] zoning on 145 barrett street public

[2:15:59] hearing again was on may 23rd and i

[2:16:02] don't believe anyone signed up for that

[2:16:03] either so we have no comments

[2:16:06] in motion

[2:16:07] second

[2:16:08] all those in favor aye aye

[2:16:11] okay item number six ceremonial

[2:16:13] resolution for flag day miss patrick yes

[2:16:15] um we did this last year i'd just like

[2:16:18] to do it again flag day

[2:16:20] is a national holiday that has been

[2:16:22] around for decades and

[2:16:24] recognizes the importance of the flag as

[2:16:27] a unifying

[2:16:30] symbol of our country so i'd just like

[2:16:32] to do this again um and we will have

[2:16:34] somebody coming so this will be at the

[2:16:36] council meeting yes okay

[2:16:39] oh instead of motion so

[2:16:41] second all those in favor

[2:16:44] okay uh ceremony resolution for pride

[2:16:46] month june 1st the 29th

[2:16:48] mr turu yes i'm sorry my tangent i

[2:16:51] couldn't figure out how to type it on my

[2:16:53] computer and print it in the little

[2:16:55] spots that needed to be

[2:16:58] up printed

[2:17:00] but i did it as best as i could so i

[2:17:03] would like to um

[2:17:04] uh present have a ceremony resolution at

[2:17:07] the council meeting um to celebrate

[2:17:10] pride month um i think it's very

[2:17:13] important that we

[2:17:14] with our culture we recognize everyone

[2:17:16] who is involved in our community and um

[2:17:19] plan to have a few

[2:17:21] people present there to get the

[2:17:23] presentation

[2:17:24] so again at the council meeting this

[2:17:25] coming monday all right thank you okay

[2:17:28] emotions so moved

[2:17:31] second all those in favor aye aye

[2:17:34] [Music]

[2:17:35] okay uh next item on the agenda is a

[2:17:37] ceremony resolution

[2:17:39] recognizing june 10th

[2:17:40] so this week this year as we know that

[2:17:42] juneteenth is now actually a national

[2:17:44] holiday um and locally juneteenth these

[2:17:47] celebrations will be on the 17th and the

[2:17:49] 18th of june

[2:17:51] so i would like this uh and we've always

[2:17:53] done this particular resolution but the

[2:17:56] resolution would be presented at the

[2:17:57] actual juneteenth celebration in central

[2:17:59] park on the 18th that's the two o'clock

[2:18:01] i think i saw on the schedule

[2:18:04] okay i think it looked like it wasn't me

[2:18:08] yeah do that

[2:18:10] and uh so i'll move this second all this

[2:18:13] in favor all right

[2:18:14] okay ceremony resolution for caribbean

[2:18:17] american heritage month mr mutaveron

[2:18:20] thank you yes june is recognized as

[2:18:22] caribbean american heritage month and

[2:18:24] i'm requesting a resolution to recognize

[2:18:26] the contribution from the caribbean

[2:18:28] american

[2:18:29] towards our city

[2:18:32] all right the draft was presented and

[2:18:34] this i am

[2:18:36] pushing to have this presented at our

[2:18:38] next meeting if uh at the council

[2:18:39] meeting yes okay

[2:18:41] we got a few

[2:18:42] yeah

[2:18:44] okay it's like notion

[2:18:46] all those in favor

[2:18:49] okay our next uh agenda item is a

[2:18:51] discussion poet laureate mr williams oh

[2:18:54] thank you

[2:18:56] council president uh so i'm excited to

[2:18:57] bring this forward uh definitely poet

[2:19:00] laureates i think to my knowledge we

[2:19:02] haven't had one within the city and they

[2:19:04] exist on governing bodies to read

[2:19:07] poetry to also extend to selective

[2:19:09] readings during just ceremonies hosted

[2:19:12] at the council meetings

[2:19:14] um

[2:19:15] they are put in position at the federal

[2:19:18] and state level however there's a lot of

[2:19:20] legislation online that speaks to

[2:19:22] cities or townships being able to elect

[2:19:24] these types of positions

[2:19:26] there are different caveats as to what

[2:19:29] makes

[2:19:30] a polarity

[2:19:32] and they have stipulations such as

[2:19:34] living within the city uh having

[2:19:35] published various works

[2:19:37] and then also demonstrating a commitment

[2:19:39] to be behind the artwork of of being a

[2:19:42] poet uh and being over the age of 18.

[2:19:45] so some of the reasoning as to why

[2:19:47] electing this type of position i think

[2:19:49] as we

[2:19:50] spoken and then actually had discussions

[2:19:53] about sros it's understanding the

[2:19:56] importance of working collaboratively

[2:19:57] with our school district and definitely

[2:19:59] this position there can be expectations

[2:20:01] put in place to help support literacy

[2:20:03] efforts

[2:20:04] within the city and also combining this

[2:20:06] individual to work with

[2:20:08] libraries

[2:20:09] and functioning as a city official to drive

[2:20:16] being aware of programs or projects

[2:20:19] partnering with those individuals and

[2:20:21] advocating for

[2:20:23] poetry

[2:20:25] just trying to keep my thoughts together

[2:20:28] so

[2:20:29] i saw this position

[2:20:30] honestly just being able to collaborate

[2:20:33] um across our libraries uh with our city

[2:20:36] with our school districts and um being

[2:20:39] able to formalize a process for

[2:20:41] nominating this individual

[2:20:44] i definitely have come across a lot of

[2:20:46] individuals that

[2:20:48] embrace the art form of being poets and

[2:20:51] i think as we intentionally deal with

[2:20:54] incidents such as gun violence i think

[2:20:55] taking the moment to recognize the

[2:20:58] talent that exists within our

[2:20:59] communities

[2:21:00] to allow this position to

[2:21:02] function

[2:21:03] collaboratively with the city council

[2:21:06] kind of serving more or less you have

[2:21:08] individuals that all don't believe in

[2:21:10] god so i think having a position that during our ceremonies is able to

[2:21:16] read a poem or so that captures the

[2:21:18] essence of an unveiling or

[2:21:22] of whatever

[2:21:23] ceremony comes

[2:21:25] before the council i think this can be

[2:21:27] an opportunity for us to just provide an

[2:21:29] outlet

[2:21:30] for this individual

[2:21:34] okay

[2:21:34] so um mr williams tell me about this i

[2:21:37] told when i think the first time i got

[2:21:39] uh when i was sworn in i actually had

[2:21:42] someone they wrote a problem for me so

[2:21:43] you know i have a real polar glory but

[2:21:45] that's supposed to be every guy so um

[2:21:49] do you is there what if there's a

[2:21:50] methodology for

[2:21:52] you know how to go about this is it

[2:21:54] something that needs to

[2:21:56] um be part of our code

[2:21:58] how does this

[2:21:59] happen

[2:22:00] based on what your understanding is from

[2:22:02] other places that they have it so this

[2:22:03] would more or less be just a discussion

[2:22:06] item now to see if the interest from the

[2:22:08] council is to embrace this uh very much

[2:22:09] it'd be a nominated a nomination so an

[2:22:12] individual would come before us

[2:22:14] either being self-identified or being

[2:22:17] recommended by someone else

[2:22:19] we would need to put in place a

[2:22:20] committee again i think would be

[2:22:22] important to have an advocate from the

[2:22:24] library to have an advocate from the

[2:22:26] school district to also include a

[2:22:29] member of the community

[2:22:30] and these individuals would kind of

[2:22:32] monitor this role

[2:22:34] but there could be various expectations

[2:22:36] with uh how many public forums or events

[2:22:38] that this individual was meant to host

[2:22:40] uh how many uh readings they would need

[2:22:42] to come before the council with uh so

[2:22:44] again this being a new position we could

[2:22:46] make it whatever we wanted to but again

[2:22:48] this would be someone that could come to

[2:22:50] our council meetings um introduce a poem

[2:22:53] based on a special item that comes comes

[2:22:56] up uh or they can just be a quarterly

[2:22:59] accordion but it honestly can be a

[2:23:01] little bit like it

[2:23:04] were you considering

[2:23:06] that

[2:23:07] this person would receive an honorarium

[2:23:09] because there would be the expectations

[2:23:11] i'm familiar with this position

[2:23:14] especially through the new york state

[2:23:16] writers institute which is the

[2:23:18] organization that names the poet

[2:23:20] laureate and the writer

[2:23:22] the state writer

[2:23:24] and they have a big ceremony every year

[2:23:26] in which they do that

[2:23:27] there is a lot of expectation in terms

[2:23:29] of when i think about

[2:23:31] some of the previous united states

[2:23:32] politics for example they either did you

[2:23:35] know weekly poetry that would be in the

[2:23:37] newspaper or

[2:23:39] certainly working

[2:23:41] with

[2:23:42] youth

[2:23:43] to try to increase literacy so

[2:23:47] it does have work that will come with it

[2:23:50] and i was wondering

[2:23:51] about an honorarium i'm also wondering

[2:23:53] if you've spoken to the libraries or to

[2:23:56] the library or to the school district to

[2:23:59] assess their interest in in this is the

[2:24:01] school district

[2:24:03] obviously the mission of the library

[2:24:04] system is literacy um it's something

[2:24:06] that's part of the both the adult

[2:24:08] librarian as well as the youth services

[2:24:10] librarian's job

[2:24:13] but also within our school district

[2:24:15] there's a huge

[2:24:16] literacy

[2:24:17] uh

[2:24:18] area

[2:24:20] i just

[2:24:20] blanked on the name of the woman that is

[2:24:22] our literacy coordinator for the school

[2:24:24] district

[2:24:25] so i think you know i just was wondering

[2:24:27] if you'd had an opportunity to talk to

[2:24:29] any of them

[2:24:30] about this

[2:24:32] so i'd say uh to your live point i think

[2:24:34] it's important as a council that we're

[2:24:36] all on the same page i never want to get

[2:24:37] ahead of myself and also kind of speak

[2:24:39] for a topic that the council hasn't been

[2:24:41] able to

[2:24:42] dialogue over so definitely this is the

[2:24:44] first time i'm bringing it up as you

[2:24:46] mentioned there are advocates that exist

[2:24:48] in those other areas that are doing this

[2:24:50] work so i think putting it in place

[2:24:52] around an actual role

[2:24:55] similar to your previous point of view a

[2:24:57] lot of expectations that's why i think

[2:24:59] it's important to have those

[2:25:01] requirements of you're already doing

[2:25:02] this work you're already posting and

[2:25:04] being visible in public you already have

[2:25:06] a number of works already published you

[2:25:08] want to kind of empower an individual

[2:25:10] that's already in place this very much

[2:25:12] is not a position for someone who is

[2:25:14] thinking about becoming the poet you're

[2:25:16] very much looking at someone that is

[2:25:17] already a pillar in the community and

[2:25:19] using this as a title of his designation

[2:25:21] to assist them in their efforts i don't

[2:25:23] know if you would recommend or

[2:25:25] referencing a

[2:25:26] moratorium with like compensation um

[2:25:29] or an honorary with compensation uh i

[2:25:31] think

[2:25:33] mr ferrari whenever you talk about like

[2:25:35] adding a budget line out of season it's

[2:25:44] i think it's important to make sure this

[2:25:46] is

[2:25:47] a position that that is well received by

[2:25:50] the council in the city and then if it

[2:25:52] is something that works fluently

[2:25:54] potentially having that conversation but

[2:25:55] i think at this point very much it would

[2:25:57] be based on volunteer terrorism

[2:26:01] any

[2:26:02] questions or comments from other council

[2:26:04] members

[2:26:06] um

[2:26:07] so i think it's i think it's a good idea

[2:26:09] we actually have an official song and we

[2:26:11] even actually got a new song from

[2:26:13] like a few years ago then we had our

[2:26:15] official song and then someone else did

[2:26:16] a new song so we have an official song

[2:26:18] so um i i think it's a good idea um and

[2:26:22] yes no honorarium right now but i think

[2:26:24] that um

[2:26:26] just based on what you've said and also

[2:26:28] what ms patrick has said that it does

[2:26:30] require a lot of duties and so we should

[2:26:32] consider putting something in the budget

[2:26:34] and i don't know what that number would

[2:26:35] look like if we um

[2:26:37] if we move forward with this

[2:26:40] um so

[2:26:42] i i personally would say that it's

[2:26:43] something that we should you know look

[2:26:45] forward

[2:26:46] look into and then the entities that you

[2:26:48] mentioned we would see how they would

[2:26:50] once would be able to embrace that

[2:26:52] is anyone yes mr williams so i'd say if

[2:26:54] appropriate i can reach out

[2:26:57] to those individuals who try to talk

[2:26:58] offline about who is already doing this

[2:27:01] work and then getting their opinions and

[2:27:02] having them come back to our next

[2:27:03] meeting

[2:27:05] did you have your hand up

[2:27:07] mr toro oh no i didn't but

[2:27:09] that's a good idea so you know as far as

[2:27:12] carmel's point i'm not well versed in

[2:27:13] this myself i think she is with her

[2:27:16] history and her past work and of course

[2:27:18] her husband um so if you want to you

[2:27:20] know reach out to the school and the

[2:27:22] library and then present it again um

[2:27:25] you know

[2:27:27] in the times that we're in i i think

[2:27:29] it's nice to have a little peace and

[2:27:31] tranquility but there's so many other

[2:27:33] important things that we really need to

[2:27:35] focus on

[2:27:36] as far as our city

[2:27:38] but if you want to go ahead and do that

[2:27:40] i

[2:27:41] absolutely go ahead

[2:27:44] yes

[2:27:45] would you mind clarifying what you meant

[2:27:47] with that well just i mean you spoke

[2:27:48] earlier on the gun violence i mean you

[2:27:50] know that's you know things that we

[2:27:52] really need to concentrate on and um but

[2:27:55] then again bringing some peace in with a

[2:27:56] poet and you know making our meetings

[2:28:01] you know

[2:28:02] more peaceful and you know things so but

[2:28:05] again you know that's you know if you

[2:28:07] want to do it that's fine

[2:28:10] mr williams i'm sorry

[2:28:12] just for response i think

[2:28:15] highlighting the component of addressing

[2:28:17] literacy within the community is

[2:28:19] definitely a very strong um point

[2:28:21] we deal with uh

[2:28:23] what are this true origin of mental

[2:28:25] health and it definitely comes from

[2:28:27] various

[2:28:28] elements so there's no one-sided

[2:28:30] approach and i think as a council we all

[2:28:31] have our niches

[2:28:33] so i think allowing members to

[2:28:35] broad branch off and then address

[2:28:37] multiple things but then collectively

[2:28:39] work on a number of issues make sure

[2:28:41] that we have a diverse approach

[2:28:43] so definitely this is not the only thing

[2:28:44] that i'm considering or being aware of

[2:28:47] however i definitely understand the

[2:28:49] power of reading and i think having an

[2:28:51] advocate that is already doing this work

[2:28:53] and supporting them as a council will

[2:28:55] have

[2:28:55] monumentous benefits uh for for not only

[2:28:58] our youth but also households right yes been working on behalf of the

[2:29:03] city with the library and the city

[2:29:05] school district

[2:29:06] and let me add to that that um you know

[2:29:08] a lot of people are impacted by poetry

[2:29:10] by songs and there's you know so it's

[2:29:13] not

[2:29:13] maybe for some it's really just another

[2:29:15] form of art and right now we're seeing a

[2:29:17] lot of public art in our city so i think

[2:29:19] that as we embrace um different things

[2:29:21] in different ways to reach different

[2:29:23] people and communicate with people is

[2:29:24] important so um and whatever ways that

[2:29:27] we can do that and become a more united

[2:29:30] group of people within the city within

[2:29:32] the country and all of that so i i think

[2:29:34] it's worthwhile exploring and i would

[2:29:37] support it and if there's

[2:29:39] is everyone pretty much in support of us

[2:29:42] moving forward and looking into this

[2:29:44] just want to gauge the interest before

[2:29:45] we have mr williams do all this and then

[2:29:48] come back and say

[2:29:49] no

[2:29:50] so

[2:29:52] please reach out to the agencies that

[2:29:54] you mentioned

[2:29:55] and get all the information needed and

[2:29:56] bring it back to us and we'll move

[2:29:58] forward

[2:29:59] i think it's one thing we should do mr

[2:30:01] maybe

[2:30:02] i really don't see it a big purpose for

[2:30:05] this um i think maybe it'd be better for

[2:30:08] the county level

[2:30:10] with the dealing with the school

[2:30:12] districts across the county as well as

[2:30:14] the library system

[2:30:16] that might be the better arena for us

[2:30:20] and i think

[2:30:21] if we were to go that route that's

[2:30:22] something i could support but

[2:30:25] certainly no honorarium as far as i'm

[2:30:27] concerned

[2:30:29] poetry does have an important place in

[2:30:31] our culture in our society

[2:30:33] as does all artwork but

[2:30:36] given everything that's going on and all

[2:30:40] the issues that we have

[2:30:41] um

[2:30:43] just have a hard time getting behind us

[2:30:45] when when we have to tackle some of

[2:30:47] those issues um and i think again i

[2:30:50] think it would be more appropriate at

[2:30:52] the county level

[2:30:54] uh well we have at least five people are

[2:30:55] in sport a bit today so um

[2:30:58] look forward and bring it back to us

[2:31:00] thank you all right

[2:31:01] thank you for taking time to look into

[2:31:03] that

[2:31:04] all right the last two items are

[2:31:07] for executive session for property sales

[2:31:10] so it's actually three years

[2:31:16] okay no wait one second i'd like to so

[2:31:19] the last two elections are going to be

[2:31:20] executive so i need to recess

[2:31:23] um

[2:31:24] development planning third item will be

[2:31:26] executive sessions right as well but i

[2:31:28] need to open claims so i need to recess

[2:31:32] the development plan

[2:31:34] all those in favor all right all right

[2:31:35] we're recessed

[2:31:36] somebody has a call i am going to do

[2:31:38] that

[2:31:40] i'd like to open flames

[2:31:46] okay so

[2:31:48] it comes down to you and i tried

[2:31:50] so

[2:31:51] we'd like to

[2:31:53] go into executive session for planes

[2:31:56] could i get a motion to do so

[2:31:58] and i'll second it all in favor okay

[2:32:05] public has to leave

Schenectady City Council Committee Meeting, June 6, 2022

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