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[4:11] july 5th

[4:12] 2022 okay

[4:14] first committee is finance

[4:18] mr motaveron thank you call to order

[4:20] finance committee first item of

[4:22] discussion city towing service request

[4:24] for proposal

[4:37] thank you very much

[4:38] all right so a couple things uh the

[4:40] first one i believe you guys all

[4:42] received the city

[4:43] towing proposal

[4:45] we

[4:46] have been on the contract for about two

[4:48] years now so we met with the finance and

[4:50] law department to put together

[4:53] this rfp that we want to set up it's

[4:56] there's a few changes in here that the

[4:58] city is looking for we'll be able to tow

[5:01] larger vehicles be able to store larger

[5:03] vehicles right now we're going to have a

[5:04] spot for those

[5:07] we

[5:09] we're looking to have as many um

[5:12] co-agencies that are willing to

[5:14] put in protocols so we have some options

[5:17] and choices

[5:18] they put a point system in place for how

[5:20] they would be

[5:22] graded as far as what their services are

[5:25] available

[5:33] open up for questions

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[5:38] so

[5:39] are you looking for us to move something

[5:40] here because i have seen that discussion

[5:42] no no this is just that you guys think

[5:44] we want to put this out we just wanted

[5:45] to show you guys if you guys any

[5:47] questions or anything

[5:49] go ahead please

[5:51] this doesn't have to be approved by the

[5:52] council because we're not paying any of

[5:54] the tow companies um this is more of an

[5:57] fyi we want to bring the council's

[5:59] attention

[6:00] because as

[6:02] assistant chief whipple said

[6:04] there are certain fees that we're going

[6:06] to start requiring are charged

[6:09] particularly those larger vehicles have

[6:10] been an issue

[6:12] boats rbs things along those lines that

[6:14] it's very difficult to store

[6:17] also we didn't have anything in our

[6:19] contract specifically related to

[6:22] um

[6:23] the off-road vehicles the motors the

[6:25] dirt bikes and the four-wheelers

[6:28] so we're looking at obviously

[6:29] incorporating that which obviously leads

[6:31] to that second piece which is on the

[6:35] agenda

[6:38] any other questions come in

[6:41] thank you

[6:42] the next item is called for public

[6:43] hearing amending the code of the city of

[6:45] connecticut section

[6:46] 248-100

[6:48] regarding redeeming

[6:50] of off-road vehicle

[6:53] okay so right now it was passed since it

[6:55] was last year um right now that the

[6:58] set

[6:59] by code that's 70

[7:01] for a total fee and twenty dollars a day

[7:03] for storage fees

[7:04] and we want to open up the public

[7:06] carrier so that that can be changed by

[7:07] resolution if you guys decide that you

[7:09] wanna change the fees any time

[7:11] we

[7:12] in our current contract we run into is

[7:15] uh we the regular toffee i think was 165

[7:19] and then when this was passed the tow

[7:21] companies didn't want to tow for the 70

[7:23] so that um came back to the city as far

[7:25] as we had to make up the difference

[7:27] between the two so

[7:31] yeah the issue with this um

[7:33] the council set the fee amount for the

[7:36] tow

[7:37] however the tow companies need to use

[7:40] the same type of vehicles that they have

[7:42] to tow

[7:43] you know dirt bikes atvs and the problem

[7:45] with that is it's still the same cost to

[7:47] them in fact they've said that you know

[7:50] because

[7:51] they have to make sure it doesn't fall

[7:52] over

[7:53] particularly a dirt bike they

[7:55] may actually take additional work to

[7:57] make sure that it's secure which is why

[7:59] they're charging

[8:01] the higher fee so it's strictly to

[8:04] change as ac whipple said the fee

[8:06] structure to remove the set amount

[8:09] and

[8:11] instead modify the code to say to be set

[8:13] by resolution so that in the future the

[8:16] council wouldn't have to have a new call

[8:18] for a public hearing to change the code

[8:20] instead you would just pass a resolution

[8:26] other questions

[8:27] comments

[8:28] so may i have a motion on this item

[8:32] all in favor aye thank you

[8:34] motion to adjourn

[8:36] all in favor aye thank you thank you

[8:40] so i'd like to call the board of the

[8:41] public safety committee we have two

[8:43] items on our agenda tonight the first is

[8:46] the civilian case review board

[8:47] appointment and i'll be discussed by

[8:49] grand park

[8:51] thank you mr chairman uh did you know

[8:53] that the civilian police review board's

[8:55] made up of individuals recommended by

[8:58] different entities within the community

[9:00] and the chamber is recommended

[9:03] during volunteer

[9:05] so i've forwarded that name for your

[9:07] consideration

[9:10] any questions or comments

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[9:16] the second item on the agenda tonight is

[9:18] discussion installing speed humps and

[9:20] i'll be discussed by council president

[9:22] porterfield and mr long mr weldon

[9:25] um as you know the last um committee

[9:27] meeting we talked about this and mr

[9:29] wrong said you've done some research and

[9:31] you've come back with some information

[9:32] for us so that's what we're gonna be

[9:33] hearing today

[9:35] and the feasibility of doing it sure

[9:37] so uh we had an internal meeting last

[9:39] week after we discussed it with myself

[9:41] uh you see what will john flute show

[9:44] regarding what we talked about here

[9:46] about speed bumps in the city of

[9:48] magazine we looked at some locations

[9:50] kind of based upon criteria that we

[9:51] talked about here at priority streets

[9:53] not private streets uh parallel roads

[9:56] where we think we may have issues based

[9:58] off of some of the police data and what

[10:00] we'd like to do is we don't have

[10:01] anything formal yet one of the reasons

[10:04] is that we have been trying to also loop

[10:05] in the fire department we just got some

[10:07] of their comments back today

[10:09] as we want to make sure that this isn't

[10:12] an impediment to fire trucks as talking

[10:15] with our the vendors they have said that has come up in the past so he is

[10:18] okay with these particular locations

[10:21] what we're looking at is two test

[10:23] locations uh the first being duane

[10:26] avenue between craig street and

[10:27] brandywine and the second rugby road

[10:30] between wendell and mcclellan

[10:32] these locations are both feature school

[10:35] zones they're both non-priority roads

[10:37] and specifically with duane avenue it

[10:39] was on a pde list of areas that they

[10:43] have had speeding

[10:45] issues so

[10:46] with those two areas what we look to do

[10:48] is

[10:49] purchase three temporary units which

[10:51] would be within the budget the units

[10:53] that we kind of spoke about before

[10:54] they're large rubber mat units we are

[10:57] working on it they are through a

[10:58] purchasing operator that we have source

[11:00] while contracting

[11:01] and we have just as recently as last

[11:03] week

[11:04] ac whitman has contacted them about

[11:06] availability in lead time looking at

[11:08] trying to put some measures together

[11:09] where we're going to record the speeds

[11:11] in the area

[11:12] duane avenue for a period of no less

[11:14] than two weeks

[11:15] using some incognito things things that

[11:18] aren't willing to draw attention

[11:19] themselves

[11:20] uh possibly either being we have new

[11:23] speed recording devices being purchased

[11:25] through a grant by pd or i've been

[11:27] working with john deluccio on

[11:29] some of the optical sensors that we have

[11:31] in the city can also do speed detection

[11:34] so we've already pulled some of that

[11:35] data

[11:36] to see how that would work

[11:38] then

[11:39] once we have those in you know maybe we

[11:42] just do

[11:43] dwayne this year because we like to put

[11:44] the installations out for a minimum of

[11:46] you know

[11:47] eight weeks couple of months because it

[11:49] does take some effort to put it in when

[11:51] you take them out you have to do some

[11:52] road repair because they get driven into

[11:54] the ground with essentially spikes so

[11:57] they will you know they will mark up the

[11:58] asphalt because they can't be shifting

[12:00] around as they're there

[12:02] once we have these two locations

[12:05] we kind of come back to you with some

[12:06] data

[12:07] but for a permanent during that time i

[12:09] think we like to internally work both

[12:12] with ourselves over the council on what

[12:14] the long term program is this like are we going to model the

[12:18] city of rochester where they use a

[12:20] petition you know or are we going to

[12:22] have it be you know the council is going

[12:24] to decree where they want to put these i

[12:27] mean we would still under some guidance

[12:29] we would still advise that we don't have

[12:30] them on priority roads in certain areas

[12:32] but when you start using the guideline

[12:35] no parallel roads

[12:37] and no priority streets the streets get

[12:39] really whittled down very quickly to

[12:42] only a select few we did talk about is

[12:44] this a program that we try to use only

[12:46] maybe in school zones

[12:48] or these two are both in school zones so

[12:50] we want to focus on areas that have

[12:52] school zones in them or is that you know

[12:55] the school zone technically they're

[12:56] supposed to be driving 15 during their

[12:58] anyways

[12:59] so

[13:00] the other thing that uh john did do is

[13:02] he reached out to the city of albany did hire uh craig and

[13:07] manning put together a memorandum

[13:10] and the memorandum we talked about speed

[13:12] hump specifically and they did invest

[13:15] almost approximately half a million

[13:16] dollars in installing permanent speed

[13:19] bumps uh on first second and third

[13:21] avenues in the uh harbor hill

[13:23] neighborhood

[13:25] so

[13:26] we have some details on that the uh the

[13:28] memo

[13:29] uh we just got an approval that you know

[13:31] to share it we wanted to share it so

[13:33] next time if i put together a whole

[13:34] package i'll include that memo because i

[13:36] didn't want to share it without you know

[13:37] just being said that we could because i

[13:39] didn't want to put them on the spot but

[13:41] um you know that is the next level

[13:44] you know these speed bumps that all when

[13:45] they put in are milled paved painted

[13:48] permanent signage half a million dollars

[13:51] so they had a issue

[13:54] that they dealt with through an

[13:55] engineering solution i don't think we're

[13:57] there yet but it's not to say that we

[14:00] couldn't be i don't think we have an

[14:01] issue that's

[14:03] at least not to my knowledge or any of

[14:05] uc whipple's that has brought to itself

[14:07] to that level where we're looking to put

[14:09] something out here like that

[14:11] so um that's where we are right now

[14:13] where fire chief just said that we are

[14:15] okay to put him at these locations so we

[14:18] are going to work with the vendor and uh

[14:20] our purchasing department on getting

[14:22] some orders in in the meantime they are

[14:24] looking at getting the detections for

[14:26] the speed cameras and then you know

[14:28] prepping and getting ogs and everything

[14:30] but these are only two locations i mean

[14:32] they could change if you think that you

[14:34] know they were kind of looked at from a

[14:36] just from our perspective

[14:38] we could move them around afterwards but

[14:40] right now that's where we're headed

[14:45] oh will there be signs to let people

[14:47] know oh yes yes that's john

[14:50] we have a sign department so john is

[14:52] going to be making signs we're going to

[14:53] have signs that say

[14:55] bump ahead and then bump so for each

[14:58] pair there would be six signs there'll

[15:00] be 12 12 new signs in general so

[15:03] six one way six the other for the three

[15:06] so one more question um so um how how

[15:09] many would be you said um um like so a

[15:12] length is like from what you said on

[15:14] dwindling from craig craig to brandywine

[15:17] so how many would be on that stretch

[15:20] and we're looking at space and there is

[15:21] a stop sign there yes so we are looking

[15:23] to space them so that you know uh you

[15:25] know the stop sign is acting as its own

[15:27] as a speed determining device um you

[15:29] know there is a school zone there so you

[15:30] should be slowing down

[15:32] but you know we are kind of looking just

[15:34] to use this as a record we're gonna have

[15:35] a couple of protection units to see

[15:37] where we are you know there is always

[15:39] the

[15:40] fear of people you go over it and you

[15:43] speed up

[15:44] so that's why on the longer stretch

[15:45] ongoing we want to have two

[15:48] um because we really don't want people

[15:49] being like well i have to make up time

[15:51] which is always a concern with these

[15:52] type of devices and also you know we

[15:54] would pull them out prior to that

[15:57] we won't have them down for the power

[15:58] season but if we go permanent like

[16:00] albany and town and colony you know they

[16:02] use indicator posts on either side so

[16:04] the plows know to lift their blades and

[16:06] go over thanks

[16:09] yes i just have a couple of questions

[16:10] thanks chris um

[16:12] if someone doesn't lower their speed

[16:15] and goes over the bump and

[16:18] causes damage to their vehicle is there

[16:20] a chance that that would have any

[16:21] liability for the city that was brought

[16:23] up to me in i'm not 100 on that

[16:26] i'll have to look into it with andrew

[16:28] and he's you know

[16:29] about what liabilities that we have

[16:30] someone that just keeps going keep going

[16:34] doesn't mind the signs doesn't mind the

[16:36] speed limit goes over the speed bump

[16:38] does damage to that yeah i'd have to

[16:39] imagine this is something that is you

[16:41] know played out a hundred times you know

[16:43] we're not going to be the first city to

[16:44] put speed bumps clearly so we'll we'll

[16:47] try to get something in place to find

[16:48] out what it is okay thanks and then in

[16:50] terms of removing them as you mentioned

[16:52] um especially you know these are going

[16:54] to be temporary and trying to pilot and get some data and some results

[16:59] um what would be can you also tell us

[17:01] what the cost will be

[17:03] um if we don't if we decide not to put

[17:06] them back or you know in terms of

[17:07] removing them if you're putting them

[17:08] into the ground if you're having to do

[17:10] repair to the to yeah what i'm hoping is

[17:13] we get a clean install i'm hoping that

[17:14] we can use we have a

[17:17] like a hot in place epoxy truck it's the

[17:19] patcher that you see where the oak in

[17:21] our roads we have a really kind of a

[17:23] slick looking pothole that looks like a

[17:25] different than an what i'm

[17:26] hoping is that working with mike cerrone

[17:28] and our streets department will be able

[17:29] to infill them with with that material

[17:32] almost like a hot glue

[17:34] i don't know how well but they didn't

[17:36] point out i think it was that i just

[17:38] want to usually they hear the concerns

[17:40] when they put them down like you know

[17:41] they hit them in uh these are

[17:43] considerable size units i mean there's

[17:44] going to be a fork truck is going to be

[17:46] involved or a front-end loader you know

[17:48] because we're talking about the entire

[17:49] width of the street they are i believe

[17:51] 14 it's 14 feet in width

[17:54] because where you know we have to go

[17:55] with a 30 mile per hour

[17:56] if it was a parking lot and you said the

[17:58] speed limit was 10. it could be a little

[18:00] smaller but because of the speed they

[18:03] actually are wider more of a more of a

[18:04] speed uh hump than a bump right so uh so

[18:08] we're i mean we're learning kind of as

[18:10] we go too we've i thought we made some

[18:12] good steps we have some good information

[18:14] uh you know before and then you know as

[18:16] we go just to tell you about other

[18:18] products there are other products if we

[18:21] wanted to do like priority roads if

[18:23] somehow that were to come up they make a

[18:25] product where

[18:26] emergency vehicles

[18:28] could straddle the product

[18:30] they're called uh they're more of a

[18:32] they're more of these smaller faults so

[18:34] instead of having one you put like three

[18:37] and then a fire truck would straddle the

[18:39] issue with that that we see is that

[18:41] people may try to straddle it and that

[18:44] will cause more issues than we would

[18:47] think without a uniform you know it's

[18:49] similar if you go to a parking lot that

[18:50] has a speed bump and there's parking

[18:52] spaces on either side you usually just

[18:54] go around it yeah you don't go over it

[18:57] so that's what we're kind of trying to

[18:58] avoid

[19:02] uh thank you thank you chris for doing a

[19:04] lot of research i i actually read up on

[19:05] it because i really think you know this

[19:08] the speeding that happens not only in

[19:10] our city but

[19:11] everywhere and i'm really concerned with

[19:13] safety so i i thought about those rumble

[19:16] strips you know

[19:17] like when you fall asleep and you

[19:19] go to the side of the road and it wakes

[19:21] you up but um in in researching that um

[19:25] it's

[19:26] it it can work for

[19:29] um speeding just bring your attention

[19:32] you know to the fact that oh something's

[19:33] going on but not recommend it for so

[19:35] that kind of threw that out

[19:37] but there were quite a few lawsuits that

[19:39] i read about with

[19:41] speed bumps

[19:43] um municipalities were facing with

[19:46] damage to cars people falling over them

[19:49] just people walking and falling over so so i saw

[19:53] that as well

[19:55] and and it basically came down to the

[19:57] best thing for traffic calming is

[19:59] lowering the speed limit which miss

[20:01] patrick

[20:02] did bring up i mean you know um but

[20:04] anyway yeah so um there's a lot

[20:07] of research you know to do between

[20:10] andrew and

[20:11] you know what what liabilities it might

[20:13] bring on the city so yeah

[20:16] okay yep and i'll i'll loop andrew into

[20:19] our into our discussions as you see and

[20:21] like i said we have a good direction for

[20:22] all of you we'll see how they get out of

[20:24] this button

[20:26] yeah could you share the information on

[20:28] the what you wish

[20:30] so he doesn't have to like do that work

[20:32] over absolutely

[20:35] any other questions or comments

[20:38] so in support would you like to

[20:40] keep this on the internet for after two

[20:41] weeks

[20:43] let us get a little bit and i'll touch

[20:45] base about when we put it on just

[20:49] is there any opposition to the first

[20:51] test location i guess that would be the thought is everybody kind of on

[20:57] board these are not permanent locations

[20:59] so if that's

[21:00] we have that buying i think that's the

[21:02] first step and we have the money and we

[21:04] have it on contract so we can move

[21:05] forward

[21:07] great yes

[21:08] yeah i think instead of asking us you

[21:10] might want to ask the neighborhood

[21:12] because they're going to be the ones

[21:14] hearing the noise and most impact

[21:16] well i mean i guess that's the the next

[21:18] part of it is that do we want to get to

[21:20] that level i mean

[21:21] you know the city of rochester that's

[21:23] where they start they start with more of

[21:25] a neighborhood petition and the petition

[21:28] starts more like uh the sidewalk program

[21:32] but that will undoubtedly add some time

[21:35] so but once again this is more about i

[21:37] don't want to push it back to the

[21:38] council but it is a kind of a council

[21:40] initiative that we're working on if we

[21:42] like to because that was one of the

[21:44] things uh i wasn't in this era but uh mr

[21:47] culture did tell me that at some point

[21:49] there were speed pumps uh dipped dips at

[21:53] eastern avenue and they were removed due

[21:55] to noise complaints

[21:56] those were permanent because they were

[21:58] actually in the asphalt or these are

[21:59] temporary but there will be some

[22:01] substantial labor to put these in

[22:06] um so i know for me personally i

[22:07] definitely agree with trying something

[22:08] it's been an ongoing issue and there's

[22:10] been a lot of work and effort that's

[22:12] already been invested in this

[22:14] alternative so or at least a trial list

[22:17] and like you said it's not permanent so

[22:19] if there are better options we'll have

[22:21] the ability to uh remove the address

[22:24] so if there are no further items to the

[22:26] following i'll see can i get an

[22:29] error so second favorite all right thank

[22:32] you

[22:35] so uh i'd like to call a government

[22:37] operations

[22:39] we've got two items on the agenda

[22:42] um first of all discussion around philly

[22:44] positions within the city workforce

[22:47] discussed by um

[22:50] thank you so we talked about this a

[22:52] couple of weeks ago because we talked

[22:54] about how many openings we have

[22:56] and um whether we should do something a

[22:59] little bit permanent in terms of

[23:01] expanding the residency to the county

[23:02] and not just people who live within the

[23:04] city

[23:07] so there was there's some who were in

[23:08] favor of that and some who weren't with

[23:10] what the discussion was is that the

[23:12] mayor uh if we

[23:14] um

[23:15] submitted someone who lived in the

[23:17] county and did not live within the city

[23:19] then it would be up to um the residency

[23:22] board actually to um that the mayor

[23:24] would have to convene in order to for us

[23:26] to give away or not

[23:28] so at this point

[23:29] time what um

[23:31] i'm recommending is that we um look at

[23:34] putting our making sure that we

[23:36] can be in the residency board and i

[23:38] would have to ask the mayor when's the

[23:39] last time the board um met

[23:41] because i would know i don't know the

[23:43] answer to that because it doesn't meet

[23:44] regularly

[23:46] it's

[23:48] called my discretion the last time it

[23:50] met was to entertain the waiver for

[23:53] commissioner islands

[23:57] so and

[23:59] so we have so the members of the

[24:03] are board by me

[24:08] and corporation council and

[24:10] the council presidents what i understand

[24:11] all three of us have um opportunity to

[24:14] be a part of that

[24:18] i think like i think the code speaks to

[24:20] who's

[24:20] uh

[24:21] who's on the other hand

[24:23] i don't think that's correct

[24:26] well mr colvin gave us the code last

[24:28] time and that's what i found okay that's

[24:29] what it says

[24:31] so um

[24:32] so what i would like to us to at least

[24:34] have the the board

[24:37] ready when people start um submitting i

[24:39] know that at least one council member

[24:41] has told me that he submitted

[24:43] someone sending an application who

[24:44] doesn't live within the county and so

[24:47] when that person comes forward that the

[24:48] board be already the time for us to be

[24:50] able to um to look at that application

[24:56] i don't know where it is at this point

[24:58] i don't think they wouldn't send it

[24:59] directly to you they would go through

[25:00] the normal process to see if they met

[25:02] the criteria if council members have

[25:04] names send it to me i'm the appointing

[25:06] authority some people they'll get hired

[25:09] unless

[25:10] well they want to make sure they qualify

[25:11] for the position first and then

[25:15] okay so um again

[25:19] we could talk about that mirror but i

[25:20] would like first to have the board ready

[25:22] when that opportunity comes

[25:24] um so we can appoint people

[25:34] um but

[25:36] i mean doesn't that just assume that we

[25:38] are indeed going to um

[25:40] convene the residency board instead of

[25:42] what the practice has been in terms of

[25:45] the mayor appointing his own

[25:47] hires

[25:50] i mean why would why would we jump to

[25:52] that step without first

[25:54] thinking again about whether the council

[25:56] was in favor of changing residency

[25:58] requirements it's not changing anything

[26:00] the residency board is already written

[26:02] into the code it exists

[26:03] so what the mayor said is that if there

[26:05] are people within the county

[26:07] who did not live in the city and want to

[26:08] apply then he would have to then then we

[26:11] would have to look at giving them a

[26:12] waiver and that waiver is

[26:15] the mayor convenes a residency board but

[26:17] the residency board is one that actually

[26:19] um votes on that

[26:21] so we haven't changed anything

[26:24] okay that hasn't been the practice right

[26:26] i think that the mayor has been able to

[26:28] use his discretion

[26:29] on whether he wanted to waive a

[26:31] requirement

[26:32] no you can hire anybody wherever they

[26:35] live for six months then we have to go

[26:38] to

[26:40] the presidency review board i have not

[26:44] done it for part-time positions or

[26:47] temporary

[26:50] positions have been some that might have

[26:52] gone over the six months

[26:54] but they're more

[26:56] technical issues than you know a

[26:58] permanent competitive position within

[27:00] civil service

[27:03] so

[27:03] i'm scientifically

[27:08] i don't know what our current job

[27:10] announcements state but we'll be able to

[27:11] update it to say that

[27:13] pending for the review or there's this

[27:15] residency board that is willing to make

[27:17] a determination

[27:21] i'm sorry i can say that one more time

[27:23] so if there's if there's a cohort that's

[27:26] going to review residency requirements

[27:28] so is that outlined on job applications

[27:30] or job announcements that this is an

[27:33] option if you go outside of the city

[27:35] just people aren't aware of it

[27:37] it's i think the

[27:39] general emphasis has been

[27:42] that you can be appointed but within six

[27:45] months you have to move to the city and

[27:48] i have not

[27:49] advocated for the residency review board

[27:52] because i believe people should live in

[27:53] the city

[27:55] their employees

[27:57] and i i

[28:00] that but i'm you know i'm looking at the

[28:02] big picture in the real the reality is

[28:04] we just really understaff and many many

[28:06] departments are

[28:07] um

[28:09] so as and i know it's been said that

[28:11] it's happening all over the country

[28:12] however it's happening here so it's up

[28:14] to us to figure out a resolution for

[28:16] that so um for that reason i think that

[28:18] we should really consider

[28:19] expanding the residency to the county um

[28:22] if we're not there at this point in time

[28:24] and i definitely um which i would

[28:26] definitely want to revisit make sure

[28:27] that we make a final decision on that

[28:30] but that we should um at least make sure

[28:32] the residency board is prepared if

[28:34] someone meets all of the qualification

[28:36] gets hurt referred to the mayor and um

[28:39] need that waiver because

[28:41] some if they're not willing to move

[28:42] within the city for in six months um

[28:45] then people aren't going to want to take

[28:47] a job that at any given time they could

[28:49] lose so that to me is the reason that we

[28:51] want to make sure that we give them that

[28:53] waiver

[29:08] is

[29:12] so we have with us

[29:14] okay yes

[29:16] we have with us david hogan camp uh

[29:19] mitchell

[29:20] and richard tierney all

[29:22] to our two county legislators and

[29:26] the land bank is going to actually uh

[29:28] before he um asked about the appointment

[29:31] just wants to give us a little bit um

[29:32] background on what the land bank's been

[29:34] doing for the last 10 years

[29:38] so thank you are you gonna talk i'll

[29:40] talk a little bit if it's okay with you

[29:42] it's fine with me so good to you very

[29:44] good madam president mr mayor council

[29:46] members i thank you very much mr

[29:49] chairman i thank you for having us here

[29:51] tonight we do have two um

[29:53] items one is a request for a

[29:56] reappointment of one of our board

[29:58] members but we thought because it's july

[30:01] in july of

[30:03] 2012 we incepted the land bank

[30:06] some former members that were here

[30:10] within this government body

[30:12] and we've had a pretty successful

[30:15] 10-year run and i thought it would be

[30:18] helpful educational and

[30:20] insightful to show you what we've been

[30:22] doing over the last 10 years with

[30:24] dollars that we have recovered or that

[30:27] were awarded from the 2008 foreclosure

[30:31] crisis in which our attorney generals uh

[30:34] took the action to go after financial

[30:36] institutions and recover some of the

[30:38] damage that was done to our communities

[30:40] so um

[30:42] just to start off right our mission

[30:44] statement it's all about strengthening

[30:46] neighborhoods through removing light

[30:49] and removing structures that are as mr

[30:52] merrill would say the worst of the worst

[30:54] right so improvement of those existing

[30:55] structures and returning vacant and

[30:57] abandoned property to productive use

[31:00] and we've done quite a bit of that over

[31:02] the last 10 years

[31:05] we've got a

[31:07] 10 minute excuse me two four six seven

[31:09] member

[31:10] board

[31:11] you can see how we're appointed and what

[31:14] the board is made up of you'll note that

[31:16] there's the city of amsterdam presidents

[31:18] there because back in 2012 2013

[31:22] it was thought when we were one of only

[31:25] three land banks which there are over 20

[31:28] now

[31:29] the strength of our application line in

[31:31] the fact that the city of schenectady

[31:33] the county of schenectady and the city

[31:35] of amsterdam all cities that uh are all

[31:38] communities that i think suffer

[31:40] greatly through the foreclosure crisis

[31:43] um and we were awarded that council

[31:45] that's why you see some city uh of

[31:47] amsterdam folks that

[31:49] um

[31:50] i've said this a number of times to

[31:51] leadership to council members uh to

[31:54] individuals or just a tool in the

[31:56] toolbox right i serve uh at the pleasure

[31:59] of each one of you

[32:01] and that the community at large

[32:04] as a chairman we have taken this tool we

[32:07] keep it sharp we keep it sharp with

[32:09] dollars that we've gotten from the

[32:10] attorney generals with dollars that

[32:12] we've gotten from the city and county

[32:15] and from the city of amsterdam

[32:17] and we really put this thing

[32:19] into high gear when we

[32:21] put it into frankly into our unified

[32:23] economic development team which is our

[32:25] metroplex david hogan camp i know he's

[32:28] sitting in front of us but without his

[32:30] leadership without his commitment

[32:31] without his ability to really manage uh

[32:34] i think we would be

[32:36] doing a good job we're doing an

[32:38] outstanding job so we've put over um a

[32:43] number of projects uh have come to play

[32:46] uh hamilton hill neighborhood uh in

[32:48] particular the electric city barn

[32:50] depaul's joe allen apartments coco house

[32:53] expansion demolition

[32:56] of a number of properties to make way

[32:58] for community builders right

[33:02] eastern avenue one of the first

[33:03] corridors that we worked on right we

[33:05] have a corridor strategy it's not

[33:07] individual houses it's how do we improve

[33:09] corridors throughout our community to

[33:12] create uh momentum so

[33:15] in the eastern

[33:16] neighborhood we've done well over 25

[33:19] demolitions we created our first pocket

[33:21] park in almost 25 years back in 2013 uh

[33:24] 2014 tribute park uh we improved

[33:27] numerous buildings and what was saint

[33:30] mary's 25 million dollars in investment

[33:32] renaissance square was a 25 million

[33:34] dollar investment by

[33:36] homeless home leasing on a rochester

[33:39] university so talk about leverage right

[33:42] uh we probably put a million in change

[33:46] into that project a little less and 25

[33:48] million was pulled through from

[33:50] um independent developers that's about

[33:54] investment confidence so

[33:56] we continue in mount pleasant mount

[33:58] pleasant library crane street

[34:00] thriving neighborhoods challenge orchard

[34:02] park

[34:03] wallingford splash pad a great ribbon

[34:05] cutting on friday night lots of

[34:07] attendance thank you madam president mr

[34:10] mayor for being there um boys and girls

[34:13] club uh

[34:14] and then depaul has committed and they

[34:16] put an application in for another 22

[34:19] million project on green street

[34:22] so this is as a direct result of what

[34:24] the land bank has done whether that's to

[34:26] remove properties to do the demolition

[34:28] to create the momentum and the

[34:30] investment confidence i've already

[34:31] talked about because we take out that

[34:34] portion of the project that makes it

[34:36] work for these developers right and

[34:38] they're very sophisticated in what

[34:40] they're doing

[34:41] but we have created that momentum that

[34:44] engine and we want to continue to create

[34:46] that momentum in that engine

[34:49] some of what we've done in the city of

[34:50] amsterdam just so you know 22 vacant

[34:53] bladed properties were completely taken

[34:55] down if you've come through route 5

[34:56] corridor driven into amsterdam that

[34:59] portion of the neighborhood that was in

[35:01] decay was in decline

[35:03] uh we took down all of the buildings

[35:06] depaul came in uh and with the help of

[35:08] amsterdam housing authority by putting

[35:10] in

[35:11] 24 million

[35:13] 20 20 plus million dollar project that's

[35:16] enormous we believe strongly that in the

[35:19] city of amsterdam alone because of the

[35:21] momentum that we put in play

[35:23] they got the dri they got the downtown

[35:26] uh investment grant and they got

[35:29] developers that have come in and said

[35:31] this is a community that's worth

[35:32] investing in

[35:33] so what have we done we've taken

[35:36] we've received and taken anything we've

[35:38] received almost 10 million dollars uh in

[35:41] support of funding through the attorney

[35:43] general uh through enterprise and

[35:45] through a number of other grant programs

[35:47] we've partnered with you in the city and

[35:50] in the city of amsterdam and over 200

[35:51] demolitions i think we probably still

[35:53] have a few hundred that would be

[35:55] considered worthy of of a shovel

[35:58] uh but more importantly we've put over

[36:00] 250 units of either planned or renovated

[36:03] housing in play right affordable housing

[36:06] commitments to our community how do we

[36:08] revitalize we make it real for the

[36:11] individuals who live in these

[36:12] communities that's a hundred million

[36:14] dollars of leveraged investment

[36:16] 10x in my book is a wise investment 10

[36:19] million equals 100 million in leveraged

[36:21] investment so we've got great partners

[36:24] with a better community neighborhoods

[36:26] with habitat we've done a number of

[36:27] projects with them

[36:29] and

[36:30] we've gotten those results because we've

[36:32] got a great board we've got some of our

[36:33] members here we've got rich maternity a

[36:35] fellow county legislator in the city of

[36:37] schenectady we've got joe berlant who uh

[36:39] came out of housing and urban

[36:41] development and has been with us for a

[36:43] number of years uh and i regard him very

[36:45] hard with high regard as our treasurer

[36:48] and the fiduciary of all this money uh

[36:51] that we've received and we put in play

[36:53] and again i just want to reiterate we

[36:55] are a tool

[36:57] we are we are efficient we run on a

[37:00] staff of 1.5

[37:02] unlike some agencies that need multiples

[37:04] and i'm not casting this down i'm simply

[37:06] saying that david here in the city of

[37:08] connecting in the county we have a

[37:10] project manager in the city of amsterdam

[37:12] we've executed

[37:14] extremely well and i appreciate my board

[37:16] members and the commitment that we have

[37:19] from the community from leadership

[37:22] and from a human president

[37:25] so more to come lots of great projects

[37:28] happy to answer any questions we do want

[37:30] to celebrate our 10-year anniversary we

[37:32] think we've earned the strength

[37:35] of saying job well done but it really

[37:38] has to come out of the community

[37:40] and

[37:41] you know like i said i'm happy to answer

[37:43] questions i am here formally to ask for

[37:45] a reappointment

[37:47] of one of our

[38:02] i just want to say that over the years

[38:05] working with mr hogan camp and working

[38:07] with legislator russo has been a

[38:10] pleasure on any project that we've been

[38:12] involved in and i mean obviously

[38:14] you are just a tremendous resource and

[38:17] have great both of you have great vision

[38:19] but i mean the work that you put in to

[38:20] these projects over the years has just

[38:22] been phenomenal it's fun work kristen

[38:24] diaz is on our board as well uh it's a

[38:26] lot of division maurice brown has been

[38:28] very helpful and thank you mayor andrew

[38:30] smallwood

[38:38] thank you very much i do want to

[38:39] reiterate kristin on our board maurice

[38:42] we went to a new york state housing

[38:44] land bank conference not too long ago

[38:47] we have committed people in this room in

[38:50] this community and i'm grateful to be

[38:52] part of that kind of momentum and that

[38:54] kind of leadership

[38:55] you should also have

[38:57] the fact that the leadership of this

[38:59] group has brought in the news

[39:01] it's our hundred million dollars and

[39:03] it's also brought us continue

[39:06] every time we applaud you get money

[39:08] because we produce results yeah joe

[39:12] brings up a great point it's all about

[39:13] the performance about skill

[39:16] do you want to come up so that the

[39:17] council who has not met you can meet you

[39:20] sure

[39:21] so as joe comes up i will say it is that

[39:23] right it's not quite hunger games but it

[39:26] is

[39:26] absolutely if we are not effective we're

[39:28] not going to win in those grant rounds

[39:30] and i will tell you that i went and

[39:33] stumped a little bit with senator richie

[39:35] 50 million dollars is being pulled

[39:37] through to the land mix that doesn't

[39:40] excuse that i have an arpa application

[39:41] and for land management so it's but 50

[39:44] million is getting pulled through

[39:45] that'll be applied to those 23 land

[39:47] banks offices being one of them and

[39:49] another 250 million

[39:51] or 400

[39:52] oh just a housing community renewal

[39:55] programs they want the land banks to

[39:57] continue

[39:58] to be supported so that they can come up

[40:01] with other projects like the default

[40:02] project

[40:05] so that's that's the focused uh

[40:07] in partnership

[40:13] and as joe pointed out past performance

[40:15] definitely drives whether or not you're

[40:17] going to continue to get some of that

[40:19] support

[40:21] for those who don't know man the retired

[40:23] deputy director of development for the

[40:26] city uh was here in the 1990s

[40:29] well aware of that and then

[40:32] we had a household division at that

[40:34] point we were doing housing activities

[40:36] we didn't do as much as what the land

[40:38] bank has been able to do

[40:40] because it's an effective use of funding

[40:43] without having to go through some of the

[40:45] red tape that a government agency has to

[40:47] do

[40:49] and

[40:50] it's been a great time to work with all

[40:53] the folks that are there we've got a

[40:54] committed group we've only had a couple

[40:56] of changes on the board and that's also helped i think uh quite a

[41:00] bit that the people have experienced now

[41:02] what they're

[41:04] doing so and i'm going to point to you

[41:07] at the city council so i hope that

[41:10] you will reappoint me but if not

[41:12] we have somebody

[41:14] in mind who also will be able to

[41:15] contribute to the little bank

[41:18] it's an active board it's not a it's not

[41:20] a show up once in a while it's

[41:22] definitely an active board but we run

[41:23] very efficiently and we appreciate joe's

[41:26] participation we appreciate thanks for

[41:28] the attorney's participation

[41:30] kristen diat

[41:31] and we're open to continuing to see that

[41:34] board live

[41:38] what i'd like to first say is thank you

[41:40] for the work that you're doing okay and

[41:41] i think that is important you know we do

[41:44] base future decisions we make informed

[41:46] decisions based on results but you guys

[41:47] are clearly getting so you know this

[41:50] isn't just about beautification this

[41:51] really does change the material

[41:53] condition of people that live in these

[41:54] neighborhoods options so um i just want

[41:56] to extend my appreciation to you and the

[41:58] team

[41:59] thank you i appreciate that constant

[42:01] problem

[42:09] at this time i like to make the motion

[42:13] second

[42:22] [Applause]

[42:25] [Music]

[42:28] back and go on any of these projects um

[42:31] at your request or individually thank

[42:34] you for coming thank you

[42:46] like to call to order city development

[42:48] planning we have nine items on the

[42:50] agenda

[42:51] the first item is a revocable licensing

[42:53] agreement with indira prasad for a patio

[42:56] and handicap accessible rent at 1570

[42:59] state street mr wallen

[43:03] hello hello

[43:04] uh the property of 1570 state street

[43:07] constructed a patio with handicap

[43:09] accessible ramps the patio is what i

[43:12] would call a seminar semi-permanent

[43:14] patio

[43:15] is a

[43:17] wall

[43:18] filled it is not something that would be

[43:21] revocable similar to a planter or a sign

[43:24] a pond inspection was found that the

[43:26] wall and the ramp are in the city right

[43:29] away on this corner by about five feet

[43:31] in each

[43:32] uh so it is not

[43:34] exactly off the sidewalk but it is

[43:36] within there is about seven feet and ten

[43:39] feet off the grid respectively for a

[43:42] obstruction like this in the right of

[43:44] way uh a revocable licensing agreement

[43:47] is required for the properties

[43:50] all right so

[43:52] this was put in without coming to the

[43:54] city for permit

[43:56] that is what i believe is they don't

[43:58] there's no such thing as for this i

[44:00] think what we think is through a

[44:03] building permit for a patio and

[44:05] it was

[44:06] a bit of a miscommunication of where the

[44:09] right way was usually it's on the back

[44:11] side of the sidewalk in these particular

[44:14] cases it was a little extra wide so it

[44:17] was actually five feet off the back side

[44:19] of the sidewalk and on state street we

[44:21] have an exceptionally larger right away

[44:23] so when they came in i don't know how it

[44:25] was actually brought to my attention but

[44:27] when it was and we looked at them we

[44:29] found that it was five feet in both

[44:31] directions

[44:33] for a patio wasn't necessarily something

[44:35] that went into planning and planning

[44:37] usually if a newer building is being

[44:38] built and there's a site plan we would

[44:40] make the comments of what would be

[44:42] required this was an existing building

[44:44] with a patio being built like almost

[44:47] like a deck

[44:48] so i don't think it went through the

[44:49] same procedures as most so it's

[44:51] something that we are internally going

[44:53] to have to discuss on how we kind of

[44:55] close that little loophole if you will

[44:57] but

[44:58] it is there

[45:00] so

[45:01] and does the side work

[45:06] i know the application came from

[45:08] indira prasad i believe there may be two

[45:10] people who own that property i believe

[45:12] it's indirect

[45:13] i think there's another prasad that may

[45:15] be the owner of that property so if the

[45:17] council is to move forward with this

[45:18] legislative request i would request that

[45:20] it be the owner of the property indira

[45:23] prasad and if there's another owner

[45:25] right i want to make sure that both of

[45:26] them enter into this agreement that it's

[45:28] not just

[45:29] you know one of the two owners okay

[45:34] so we need the other owner's name you

[45:37] know do you do you know that i do not

[45:39] have it on me but i don't have money but

[45:40] we can we can get the most recent deed

[45:43] and we'll have it in time for uh i'll

[45:44] put it in for the resolution if it does

[45:46] pass tonight okay it's not obstructing

[45:48] the sidewalk okay uh we are working with

[45:50] them on making sure that the sidewalk is

[45:52] off the coast

[45:53] on the uh

[45:54] on the one particular side not the state

[45:56] street side i came up with the cross

[45:58] street at this time but on state street

[46:00] it is off but we have a particularly

[46:02] wide right-of-way going upstairs

[46:07] are there other questions

[46:11] i'll second it with the idea that we'll

[46:13] put the name amazing yes

[46:16] all those in favor all right

[46:18] thank you mr wong

[46:20] uh the next item on the agenda is a

[46:22] discussion of uh hosting quarterly

[46:24] meeting city council meetings outside of

[46:26] city hall uh thank you madam president

[46:29] um i know you've had this on the agenda

[46:31] a few times so i'm looking forward to

[46:33] announcing some updates that'll

[46:34] hopefully uh get this ball

[46:36] moving forward

[46:38] looking at the idea of where to host

[46:40] this type of engagement my two thoughts

[46:44] consistently came back to the boys and

[46:45] girls club and also potentially

[46:47] partnering with the scranton high school

[46:49] just thinking of menu size and volume of

[46:52] getting people

[46:54] from the community into a room and talk

[46:56] about a potential topic

[46:57] uh second can be more about a date i

[47:00] think being in the summer it's important

[47:02] to recognize that people are still

[47:03] vacationing so looking to have something

[47:05] in place after august

[47:07] the time frame that i kept coming back

[47:08] to was 6 30 to 8 30 at night just

[47:10] thinking of corporate time people get

[47:12] settled in

[47:14] and then also understanding that mondays

[47:16] don't necessarily work for us as a

[47:17] council members and also fridays maybe

[47:19] too late in the week

[47:21] we'll need to do some investigation to

[47:23] make sure that we're not scheduling

[47:25] something that is

[47:29] in place with other meetings that are functioning throughout the city

[47:32] so i resonated on tuesdays so i was

[47:35] potentially thinking of september 20th

[47:37] september 27th or october 4th and then

[47:40] all this information i can go back to

[47:42] the council members and email

[47:44] next

[47:45] thinking of the format and i think it's

[47:48] important to footstomp that compromising

[47:50] is important

[47:52] and taking into consideration all of the

[47:54] council members feedback so that we can

[47:55] make sure we're actually items for the

[47:57] benefit of the community i think looking

[48:00] at how to best

[48:02] create an agenda around this i think a

[48:03] town hall would make sense

[48:05] and i think as long as we can build an

[48:08] appropriate agenda establish creative

[48:10] guidelines for people to speak that way

[48:12] we would have the opportunity to respond

[48:13] back i think as long as we're

[48:16] intentional and have a clear objective

[48:18] around what the meeting is i think we

[48:20] can keep our comments focused and use

[48:22] this as an opportunity to again

[48:24] bring the messaging bring ourselves the

[48:26] community which countlessly has been

[48:29] vocalized as an ask in the community

[48:33] and this brings me to what potential

[48:35] topics so our last meeting

[48:37] ended with miss

[48:40] ms portfield

[48:42] and

[48:44] ms patrick recommending community

[48:45] banking and noise ordinances which i

[48:47] don't know if anyone else experienced

[48:49] that last night i did myself

[48:52] however there's been continuous

[48:54] conversation throughout our community

[48:56] about

[48:58] rent

[48:59] and how some people aren't able to

[49:02] make rent and also listening from the

[49:05] other angle which is from our landlords

[49:07] which are

[49:08] vocalizing just continued discomfort so

[49:11] i want to make it clear that

[49:13] choosing a potential topic would not

[49:15] mean that we are taking anyone's side

[49:17] just using this as an opportunity to get

[49:19] more information and provide people the

[49:21] opportunity to vocalize their issues or

[49:24] stances which is why i would recommend

[49:26] our first topic being rent stabilization

[49:28] which is a nice subway it's what mr

[49:30] farley is going to be discussing

[49:32] so i'm all ears

[49:35] week after week i've been coming back

[49:36] with some updates so i'm willing to make

[49:39] any adjustments and adapt around what

[49:41] the council members would request think

[49:43] at this time

[49:44] i think it is just choosing a topic

[49:46] collectively and then i can

[49:49] fine-tune some details and selecting a

[49:51] future date to announce the community

[49:55] well first of all thank you for doing

[49:57] the work and for coming back to the

[49:58] council and considering all the things

[49:59] that have been put forward so i do

[50:01] appreciate that it sounds like we've

[50:03] landed on it's going to be more of a

[50:04] town hall as opposed to a city council

[50:06] meeting based on

[50:07] what you've said so um

[50:09] i'm certainly open to that plus moving

[50:11] in that direction and

[50:13] i'll have a particular day

[50:15] just glad it's after the summer

[50:18] so

[50:18] um

[50:20] and he must have me mr

[50:23] so i just think anytime we get

[50:25] opportunity to integrate with the

[50:26] community

[50:28] and you know i think sometimes change of

[50:30] settings

[50:31] um can kind of lend itself to a more

[50:33] robust conversation um and so so i'm all

[50:37] for um

[50:46] are you asking like all the council be

[50:49] there i mean how do you how are you

[50:54] taking into consideration what a true

[50:56] council meeting outside of city hall

[50:57] would look like i think a lot of the

[51:00] uh discomfort is we don't want to bore

[51:02] people around what we do we're trying to

[51:04] make it exciting and integrity for the

[51:06] community and

[51:10] but being

[51:11] aware of just the nuances of what we do

[51:14] it might not appeal to everyone so i

[51:16] think creating the format uh to make it

[51:18] more of a meaningful conversation but i

[51:20] think it is a very strong message that

[51:23] needs to get sent to the community that

[51:24] we all collectively need to be out there

[51:27] present um

[51:28] and and and

[51:30] available and i know that things happen

[51:32] i know that emergencies arise but i

[51:34] think if we have the time to coordinate

[51:36] a date i would hope that all the council

[51:38] members can find there

[51:40] find the final the opportunity to put in

[51:42] their schedule and make a conscientious

[51:44] effort to impress them

[52:03] you know causing further complications

[52:05] of demeaning laws

[52:07] it depends

[52:08] i mean i i wish i could give you a

[52:10] better answer than it depends it depends

[52:11] what actions you're going to be taking

[52:13] you know if you're resolving to take

[52:15] some type of official action that's you

[52:17] know obviously

[52:18] you know open meeting if you're there

[52:19] for town hall to allow people to just

[52:21] kind of give you know a piece of their mind maybe or

[52:25] just you know their input and you're not

[52:27] dealing with open meeting law

[52:29] stuff so to speak right you're not

[52:31] subject to open meetings law

[52:34] right

[52:36] so i thought well based on like a town

[52:38] hall just thinking we're there to get

[52:40] information from people and get their

[52:41] input

[52:42] we heard a man come to the rail the

[52:45] other day and you know

[52:47] unsolicited he was his situation so he

[52:49] came so i think that's one of the

[52:51] reasons this

[52:52] came about that particular topic

[52:54] regarding rent so i really just would ask the other

[52:58] council members where they are with this

[52:59] in terms of participation or dates

[53:04] you know it's going to take all of us to

[53:05] do something

[53:07] all right

[53:08] mr toro thank you car mr williams um i

[53:12] like the the town hall um mr farley just

[53:15] brought that up so we probably wouldn't

[53:16] be able to interact or give advice

[53:19] so i

[53:20] well that leaves me a little bit

[53:22] confused right now as well you can give

[53:25] advice you can't give formal you can't

[53:27] do a formal action exactly okay all

[53:29] right so we can answer okay so i was

[53:32] just thinking

[53:33] again like i say we can all be there i

[53:35] like the idea of listening to

[53:37] the constituents and what their concerns

[53:40] are in individual neighborhoods

[53:42] and um

[53:43] again with dates

[53:45] you know i i don't know you know we all

[53:47] get invited to the neighborhood meetings

[53:49] um i don't know who posters on a tuesday

[53:52] so i'd have to check because we do like

[53:54] to go to all the neighborhood meetings

[53:56] again i don't know if we if we might

[53:57] just want to travel there we're in each

[53:59] neighborhood

[54:00] and again not asking everyone to come to

[54:03] us but we're going to them

[54:05] but again thank you i think it's very

[54:07] important to hear what they want

[54:09] that's my my job

[54:14] so

[54:15] yeah other

[54:17] let's test it um i think that

[54:19] again with the date i think maybe doing

[54:21] the doodle or something to see

[54:27] i think we can just send that email it's

[54:28] only seven we're doing all right we just

[54:30] send the email out sure

[54:34] and

[54:35] i think in terms of format

[54:39] again even if we had if we knew the

[54:41] topic was going to be housing for

[54:43] example um we'd probably want some

[54:44] landlords and we probably want you know

[54:46] i mean

[54:47] it might be important to have

[54:51] somebody speak even you know for or one

[54:53] or two people speak and then people

[54:56] responding but i'm just saying

[54:58] um might not be else but um i think the

[55:01] idea of listening and hearing

[55:02] constituent concerns is is great i think

[55:05] that is why we go to the neighborhood

[55:06] meetings

[55:07] as well generally town home format doesn't

[55:13] have a speaker necessarily it's just for

[55:15] everyone there whether it be landlords

[55:16] or lieutenants or everybody just to

[55:18] like this we introduce the topic and

[55:20] then people give their input right i

[55:22] guess opposed to having somebody

[55:23] introduce the topic

[55:25] or somebody that's an expert or whatever

[55:26] i think is

[55:28] a good a good thing

[55:30] like like the meeting that we had with

[55:32] the office of cannabis management where

[55:34] you know we were able to hear some of

[55:36] some

[55:38] information

[55:39] i don't know but well it depends on just

[55:41] two cents on format just two cents on my

[55:44] two cents yeah because it depends on the

[55:45] topic

[55:46] necessarily

[55:47] on one

[55:49] right so you said to check the dates for

[55:51] um

[55:52] the neighborhood association to make

[55:53] sure that

[55:54] they start up in the fall again

[55:56] to make sure that we're not hidden up

[55:58] against theirs okay yeah

[56:00] that's a good idea i know a reunion is a

[56:02] tuesday but i'm not sure which one i

[56:04] think it

[56:05] must be the second

[56:08] other input

[56:09] questions comments

[56:12] um

[56:13] willingness to participate or not

[56:16] does everybody need to date i mean yeah

[56:18] i mean i'd show up if

[56:20] the date was

[56:22] we'll give you our input on our dates

[56:24] you know i think the idea of doing it in

[56:26] the fall

[56:27] summer is

[56:30] so if you could um

[56:32] are we gonna

[56:33] i guess we're gonna need to settle on a

[56:34] topic and are you gonna send out the

[56:36] dates that

[56:37] okay

[56:40] so or did you want to start setting on

[56:42] top of the topic tonight or do you want

[56:43] to um just

[56:45] send that out in the request when you

[56:47] send out the email

[56:49] uh so i don't know how appropriate would

[56:50] be to

[56:52] comment after we close while i'm

[56:54] speaking or mr probably speaking but i

[56:56] think hearing out his

[56:59] next agenda on the actual topic of

[57:01] wednesday education will probably assist

[57:03] to get people's heads wrapped around it

[57:04] but i think overall just using this as a

[57:06] platform to hear from the community i would like to

[57:10] select the top of the right

[57:11] stabilization and take into

[57:13] consideration what uh

[57:15] ms patrick was mentioning around trying

[57:16] to capture uh something that has already

[57:19] been discussed i think in our current

[57:21] just

[57:22] traveling throughout the city it's an

[57:24] issue that's growing regardless whether

[57:27] on any one side or the other so i think

[57:29] as a council is our opportunity to be at

[57:31] the forefront of these types of

[57:32] conversations and

[57:34] the only way we're able to make

[57:35] appropriate judgments is having an

[57:37] injectable understanding of what's going

[57:45] do any further discussion on this topic

[57:50] again i think

[57:51] i like what you had to say mr williams

[57:53] about trying to make sure that we

[57:54] weren't coming out in

[57:56] favor or not in favor of something so i

[57:58] think

[58:00] even perception wise i think if we if

[58:02] the topic was

[58:04] housing issues or something like that

[58:06] but to say and i want to hear what mr

[58:08] brawley is going to going to talk to us

[58:10] about on the next item but i mean to say

[58:13] rent stabilization might

[58:15] um

[58:16] make it seem like we're skewing in one

[58:18] direction

[58:19] over another

[58:21] but i don't know what the kind of better

[58:23] word it but

[58:25] it's williams and absolutely messaging

[58:27] matters these are just to capture what i

[58:28] was going to be talking about when we

[58:30] actually rolled out the community and

[58:31] definitely take into consideration those

[58:33] types of elements is important and

[58:35] that's why i think it's imperative of us

[58:37] all to be together because although

[58:39] we're one body that represents the city

[58:41] at large we're being honest and

[58:43] intentional we all have

[58:45] nations that we kind of cater to

[58:47] naturally we all don't travel together

[58:50] in

[58:50] one group um so i think

[58:53] taking in all of our feedback and input

[58:55] i think we'll be able to naturally hit

[58:57] all of those corners of the community so

[58:59] that we are taking into consideration

[59:01] everything and not seeming to

[59:06] any other discussion

[59:09] okay so we'll wait for the email from

[59:10] you on the date so we can get some

[59:12] feedback on that and come up with a date

[59:13] and move forward with it so thanks for

[59:15] the work you've done on this um our next

[59:18] item for discussion number three is rent

[59:21] stabilization mr farley thank you madam

[59:24] president so

[59:25] um

[59:27] one of the

[59:30] benefits of living in the community

[59:32] that have you know getting such a great

[59:34] financial audit you know once you get

[59:36] close to the team here to the mayor and

[59:39] your team for

[59:41] diligent work

[59:42] is

[59:43] tax stabilization

[59:48] can and should

[59:49] correlate to housing on

[59:52] price stabilization so i guess i just

[59:54] wanted to open up the conversation

[59:57] with the council because of all the

[59:58] feedback that we've been getting um

[1:00:01] and i've been you know

[1:00:03] listening to people

[1:00:04] uh and i really want to see like how do

[1:00:07] we

[1:00:07] is there a way for us to create um

[1:00:11] to incentivize you know um

[1:00:15] some housing stabilization so that's

[1:00:17] really where i wanted to go with this

[1:00:18] conversation

[1:00:19] um people in the community are really

[1:00:22] hurting um you know

[1:00:26] we're doing some of the research you

[1:00:27] know i realize it says that uh a hundred

[1:00:31] dollars in an immediate

[1:00:36] equates to a nine percent increase in

[1:00:39] homelessness

[1:00:41] so this is a you know this isn't a

[1:00:42] conversation that we can just have like

[1:00:44] you know in abstract ways that this is a

[1:00:47] real

[1:00:49] way that

[1:00:50] is impacting people in their

[1:00:53] material conditions of people live so i

[1:00:56] think that you know i i look forward to

[1:00:58] just kind of opening up this

[1:01:00] conversation and getting feedback from

[1:01:02] fellow council members um to see

[1:01:05] what your thoughts

[1:01:11] mr toro

[1:01:13] can you tell me a little bit more like

[1:01:15] what are you looking for us to say

[1:01:18] uh

[1:01:19] i'm sorry i just didn't

[1:01:21] i couldn't follow along sure

[1:01:24] tell us what you're thinking

[1:01:25] so what are what so what i'm thinking um

[1:01:28] and what i'm hearing and what we heard

[1:01:30] in our last city council uh meeting is

[1:01:33] that people hurt

[1:01:34] right

[1:01:35] and we um often talk about our tax base

[1:01:39] being pretty stable right so what i'm

[1:01:42] saying is that when you are living in a

[1:01:43] community um that has a stable tax base

[1:01:47] that should correlate to stable housing

[1:01:49] prices for people

[1:01:51] it should

[1:01:52] i don't know that that's necessarily the

[1:01:54] case right now

[1:01:56] so my question is

[1:01:58] what are your thoughts and should we be

[1:02:00] thinking about ways as a counselor that

[1:02:02] we can incentivize

[1:02:04] of

[1:02:06] rent prices

[1:02:07] to to be more stable because what we're

[1:02:09] hearing are now and people are

[1:02:12] losing their houses and their housing

[1:02:14] and

[1:02:15] that's something that we're hearing in

[1:02:17] every corner of the city and i think

[1:02:18] it's something that we need to talk

[1:02:20] about how can we address it

[1:02:23] so just to

[1:02:25] bring you back to when the gentleman

[1:02:26] came to the council meeting um last week yes and um he

[1:02:32] his rent went up 200

[1:02:34] that's pretty significant

[1:02:36] and he made it clear that it was almost

[1:02:39] his entire monthly income so

[1:02:42] now he has a place to live but now he's

[1:02:44] got to figure out how he's going to eat

[1:02:46] and uh so i i think that we'd be remiss

[1:02:49] if we didn't and he's not the only

[1:02:51] person i've heard had emails etc from

[1:02:53] people um that have said the same thing

[1:02:55] my rent's gone up like 200 and i i just

[1:02:58] didn't know that rents went up like that

[1:03:00] so um i think that it's that we should

[1:03:03] be considering that and i know that

[1:03:04] currently currently the city does not

[1:03:06] have any kind of rent control or rent

[1:03:08] segregation we don't they do have that

[1:03:10] in new york city so there's no cap we

[1:03:12] don't can't say this is the most you can

[1:03:14] charge for somebody to rent your

[1:03:15] apartment it's up to a landlord um

[1:03:18] so

[1:03:20] you know what do we do about that do we

[1:03:22] create more homelessness i mean how do

[1:03:24] we address that so i think that's the

[1:03:25] conversation that's before us now

[1:03:28] or do you think it's not something that

[1:03:29] we don't need to address

[1:03:32] mr mayor

[1:03:33] madam chair just want to recap you know

[1:03:36] some of the things that

[1:03:38] we've seen

[1:03:42] for a long time the value of property in

[1:03:44] schenectady was very low

[1:03:46] so we've seen

[1:03:48] the things that we've done collectively

[1:03:50] with economic development investments in

[1:03:52] the neighborhood that have increased the

[1:03:54] values and have also

[1:03:57] tied to the national housing market

[1:04:00] the taxes here

[1:04:03] we cut them five years in a row

[1:04:05] last two years have been

[1:04:08] no increase the last year is no increase

[1:04:11] in

[1:04:12] that restriction is really put on us by

[1:04:16] the arpa money which says you can't use

[1:04:18] it to lower taxes so i think people are

[1:04:21] happy that we're keeping the services up

[1:04:24] doing it

[1:04:25] but you have to remember that the

[1:04:28] tax bill that people pay

[1:04:31] roughly half of it's the school district

[1:04:33] a little over 30 percent is

[1:04:36] the city's tax bill a little under 20

[1:04:40] is the

[1:04:43] county's portion of it

[1:04:47] people tend to focus for

[1:04:50] it's always the city is the point on

[1:04:52] property taxes even though we're

[1:04:54] a smaller component of that

[1:04:57] in terms of housing just what the land

[1:04:59] bank had outlined

[1:05:01] those

[1:05:02] units that have been put up in other

[1:05:04] projects here

[1:05:06] are

[1:05:08] income based

[1:05:09] so that tenants in that basically pay 30

[1:05:12] of their income so if they're making a

[1:05:15] thousand dollars a month they're paying

[1:05:17] 300

[1:05:19] there can be a little bit of variance in

[1:05:21] that depending on the timing and

[1:05:23] the exact nature of the unit they're in

[1:05:27] there's been a lot of

[1:05:29] in that there's a market study for

[1:05:31] what's fair rent

[1:05:34] but a lot of people who've been quoting

[1:05:36] those higher numbers

[1:05:38] for those units and saying people are

[1:05:40] paying

[1:05:41] the fair market rent which is not true

[1:05:44] those projects are designed to create

[1:05:47] safe and decent housing for individuals

[1:05:50] who are not

[1:05:52] income

[1:05:53] don't have the income to

[1:05:55] afford to live there it's how do we do

[1:05:58] more of those projects how do we work

[1:05:59] with the housing authority to get more

[1:06:01] section 8 vouchers

[1:06:03] again that individual who

[1:06:05] would have the chance to talk to you

[1:06:07] since the last meeting you know probably

[1:06:10] qualifies for

[1:06:12] a

[1:06:13] section 8 voucher and

[1:06:16] there's a waiting list for that even

[1:06:17] though sometimes

[1:06:18] you bypass the status on that if there's

[1:06:21] hardship or extreme circumstances that

[1:06:24] come into play and we're seeing more and

[1:06:25] more individuals that

[1:06:28] are in

[1:06:29] that set of circumstances which are

[1:06:31] really beyond their control and are

[1:06:35] adversely affecting them and so how do

[1:06:37] we

[1:06:38] again

[1:06:39] work with them to them being the housing

[1:06:42] authority to match those people up

[1:06:45] to get more vouchers or create some of

[1:06:47] this additional housing that is income

[1:06:49] based that allows them to have

[1:06:52] safe and decent housing

[1:06:57] well so um

[1:07:00] that i mean not everyone has section 8

[1:07:03] and and some of it so i think

[1:07:05] some of this is is not just

[1:07:08] housing developments it's people are

[1:07:10] running from individuals which is i

[1:07:12] think

[1:07:13] this gentleman's situation and i didn't

[1:07:15] ask him about his personal thing and

[1:07:16] then i even if i knew i wouldn't talk

[1:07:17] about it here

[1:07:20] and and then with that even some of the

[1:07:22] private housing

[1:07:24] people

[1:07:26] are

[1:07:27] reluctant

[1:07:29] to accept section 8 i've heard that time

[1:07:30] and time again people look for housing

[1:07:33] and they and i know that you're not

[1:07:34] supposed to be able to turn people away

[1:07:36] based on their spillway

[1:07:38] somebody is doing it i do know that

[1:07:40] um true but it but it happens

[1:07:44] and and if you've ever even looked it

[1:07:46] and i've helped people look for

[1:07:47] apartments if you've ever looked it

[1:07:49] specifically says in there no people say

[1:07:52] no section 8. they will say that no dss

[1:07:55] so i've seen those

[1:07:56] um people advertising and saying

[1:07:59] we will not accept this type of payment

[1:08:01] for your rent

[1:08:02] so i know it's not it's illegal but it

[1:08:04] does happen

[1:08:05] mr problem yeah so and i would just add

[1:08:08] that

[1:08:09] you know to the mayor's point there are

[1:08:11] you know interventions and things

[1:08:13] happening to address um you know

[1:08:17] find people safe and accurate housing

[1:08:19] um i would just say that like the

[1:08:21] section 8 waiting list can be extremely

[1:08:24] lengthy

[1:08:25] um so and you know just because there

[1:08:29] are the programs in their art

[1:08:31] doesn't mean that

[1:08:33] the programs are going to address the

[1:08:35] problem and what i'm saying is that

[1:08:39] is there a way that we can

[1:08:40] kind of work

[1:08:42] and create the setting conditions to

[1:08:44] where people

[1:08:45] don't have to

[1:08:47] seek out

[1:08:48] some of those

[1:08:50] programs and make

[1:08:51] the pressure off some of those programs

[1:08:53] so they can work a little more

[1:08:55] efficiently and you know because that's

[1:08:57] something that is within our real house

[1:08:59] to do

[1:09:02] again 100

[1:09:04] in medium rent increase

[1:09:07] correlates to nine percent uh

[1:09:09] increase in homelessness that's pretty stark numbers and i think that

[1:09:16] we have to look at this with some level

[1:09:18] of urgency

[1:09:19] um

[1:09:20] because it's impacting our community

[1:09:26] mr toro agreed agreed mr farmer

[1:09:29] absolutely things are things are they're

[1:09:31] tough out there mr palmetti speaks every

[1:09:34] council meeting on you know how bad

[1:09:36] things are getting

[1:09:37] with our economy um but on on the other

[1:09:40] side of that you need to look at the

[1:09:42] landlord situation you don't know what

[1:09:44] they're

[1:09:46] facing at this point maybe coming off

[1:09:48] the three years of covet with no rent

[1:09:51] um that they haven't gotten so so

[1:09:53] there's a lot of variable variables here

[1:09:56] that that we need to think about and

[1:09:57] talk about i don't think there should be

[1:10:00] rent caps at all for personal property i

[1:10:02] just

[1:10:03] don't think that's right you say they do

[1:10:05] it in new york i don't i don't know any

[1:10:07] of that but again people have

[1:10:10] everyone has their own

[1:10:12] expenses that they need to take care of

[1:10:15] and we don't know anyone's personal

[1:10:16] finances on that but again this

[1:10:18] gentleman and so many people and i think

[1:10:21] our city does a damn good job of taking

[1:10:23] care of our people

[1:10:25] i really think we do there's always room

[1:10:28] for improvement but i think you know out

[1:10:30] there in the community you see it at

[1:10:31] school we all see it we're doing one

[1:10:33] hell of a job

[1:10:35] we're going to just keep going

[1:10:40] and that's why i think it's really

[1:10:41] important to have a town hall because

[1:10:44] i would have to disagree i've heard from

[1:10:46] both sides and i've

[1:10:48] had conversations with people who are struggling

[1:10:51] however i'm glad you did make the point

[1:10:54] of there are two sides to every

[1:10:56] narrative i've been to uh being

[1:10:58] landlords influencing change meetings

[1:11:00] and i know that there are other

[1:11:01] components of this conversation

[1:11:04] but i think it's it's necessary to

[1:11:06] look at our options

[1:11:08] and i think absent having this

[1:11:09] conversation are we starting or

[1:11:11] recognizing that this is an issue

[1:11:13] part part of the the analysis is

[1:11:16] are raising the rents effectively being

[1:11:18] what landlords or homeowners are

[1:11:20] attending it to

[1:11:23] so i think unless we admit that this is

[1:11:27] uh affecting members of our community

[1:11:30] i don't think we'll be able to actually

[1:11:32] get action on some of the discomfort

[1:11:34] that people are feeling

[1:11:37] mr

[1:11:38] so and i i want us to be mindful that

[1:11:41] two things can be true right people can

[1:11:43] you know there are there's a lot of

[1:11:45] variables

[1:11:46] in this conversation

[1:11:47] but i don't think that they're you know

[1:11:49] i wouldn't rush to say that we should be

[1:11:52] talking about it from like two sides

[1:11:54] right like a landlord and a tenant i

[1:11:56] think that you know

[1:11:58] there are you know we should be looking

[1:12:00] and exploring ways that where we can

[1:12:02] incentivize it for landlords um

[1:12:06] to to uh have some sort of uh rent

[1:12:09] stabilization um for the people that are

[1:12:12] renting their properties i think that we

[1:12:14] you know

[1:12:15] there might be ways for us to look at

[1:12:17] how do we give some you know as a

[1:12:20] property owner so maybe some cost

[1:12:22] insurance right that they know you know

[1:12:25] that their uh taxes going to the mayor's

[1:12:27] point um and there's other entities that

[1:12:29] have to be involved aren't going to

[1:12:32] spike you know here and they know that

[1:12:33] okay well i know that this is what i can

[1:12:36] make this projection a couple years out

[1:12:38] that i'll be staying within these

[1:12:39] parameters and then

[1:12:40] i pass you know somebody that saves

[1:12:42] along to the person that's that's

[1:12:44] renting it so i you know

[1:12:46] again i i don't think that we're gonna

[1:12:48] come over all the answers here i just

[1:12:49] think that i wouldn't want the

[1:12:50] conversation to go in the direction to

[1:12:52] where something like it's you know that the outcome or

[1:12:58] willingly it couldn't be mutually

[1:12:59] beneficial because it can it can be so i

[1:13:02] do that's definitely the direction i'd

[1:13:04] like to see the conversation

[1:13:07] yeah

[1:13:09] i

[1:13:10] try to recall this something the state

[1:13:12] statute which

[1:13:14] i think it's units

[1:13:15] built

[1:13:16] for 1974 having more than six units

[1:13:21] you have to do a study and if the

[1:13:23] vacancy rate is below 5

[1:13:29] then there's some things that trip

[1:13:32] within the locality if it's above five

[1:13:34] percent then you don't have the option

[1:13:36] right and i

[1:13:39] apologize i can't remember all the

[1:13:40] details or mechanics of that but that

[1:13:43] something again that that wouldn't

[1:13:44] happen overnight if

[1:13:47] actually do the study

[1:13:49] i

[1:13:49] don't know

[1:13:51] if that information is compiled

[1:13:54] in the annual census so that it might

[1:13:57] have been done

[1:13:58] fairly recently we would have a

[1:14:01] fairly accurate baseline to work from

[1:14:05] mr colton yeah the mayor is correct um

[1:14:07] it's the emergency tenant protection act

[1:14:09] which

[1:14:10] is passed in 2019

[1:14:12] you have to have a study as the mayor

[1:14:14] indicated to confirm that the applicable

[1:14:15] jurisdiction has less than a 5 vacancy

[1:14:17] rate

[1:14:18] and it does not apply to buildings

[1:14:20] containing less than 6 units rent

[1:14:22] control departments

[1:14:24] non-profit units housing supervised by

[1:14:27] the government which would be you know

[1:14:29] obviously those people with housing

[1:14:30] choice vouchers

[1:14:32] um and substantially rehabilitated

[1:14:34] housing and housing uh within buildings

[1:14:37] completed after 1973. so when you look

[1:14:39] at it it's probably gonna be a very

[1:14:40] small number of units that would

[1:14:44] be a part of it

[1:14:46] seems as though we'll wouldn't apply to

[1:14:48] two family homes single family homes

[1:14:50] which you know looking at the numbers

[1:14:52] across the city i think that's primarily

[1:14:54] what we're seeing right two family homes

[1:14:56] and single-family homes that are being

[1:14:57] rented out

[1:14:58] so stabilization even if the vacancy

[1:15:01] rate is under

[1:15:02] five percent it would not any

[1:15:04] stabilization would not apply to those

[1:15:05] units

[1:15:11] you know if we're looking at you know a

[1:15:13] small amount of

[1:15:16] units you know even if it is a very

[1:15:18] small amount of units you know we look

[1:15:20] at it as to how that translates into

[1:15:22] somebody's actual you know the lobby of

[1:15:25] people living in the city that makes a

[1:15:27] huge difference you know so i responded

[1:15:30] i appreciate that clarification with

[1:15:32] that you know

[1:15:33] definitely

[1:15:34] it's something i still think that we

[1:15:36] need to be

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[1:15:50] when you think about a place like new

[1:15:52] york city i mean you know most of their

[1:15:54] housing is

[1:15:55] above six units right so

[1:15:58] the idea that larger you know

[1:16:00] municipalities like that that have rent

[1:16:02] control

[1:16:03] you know

[1:16:05] i understand that now

[1:16:06] i guess that was required of this insane

[1:16:09] code

[1:16:11] so

[1:16:12] right so that was legislation that was

[1:16:14] passed so i mean does that mean that we

[1:16:16] couldn't consider something i mean i

[1:16:18] know understand that we don't have many

[1:16:20] six house units well we have a few more

[1:16:22] now than we did a few years ago units

[1:16:24] that are above um above six but we many people rent from um

[1:16:29] either two family or one family homes

[1:16:31] even up to four actually

[1:16:33] so

[1:16:34] i think it's it's still a conversation

[1:16:36] that we have to need to have and and how

[1:16:38] do we address it

[1:16:40] it's gonna cost homelessness it's gonna

[1:16:42] cause people to not be able to eat

[1:16:45] we can't just say well okay you know and

[1:16:48] i'm not saying that i have a solution

[1:16:50] clearly i don't

[1:16:51] um

[1:16:52] but i think that we do need to talk

[1:16:54] about what a solution could be and we

[1:16:56] should also um hear from people and we

[1:16:59] would need to do our a lot of homework

[1:17:01] initially and also i was thinking about

[1:17:03] who we could have come and speak in

[1:17:04] terms of the housing um i would just you

[1:17:06] know give some suggestions if that's

[1:17:08] what we're going to do

[1:17:09] and um but has that conversation and

[1:17:11] include

[1:17:12] landlords as well as tenants because

[1:17:15] as i always say how you see it depends

[1:17:17] on where you sit and so i know that

[1:17:18] landlords see it one way in tenancy in

[1:17:20] another way but to have someone's rent

[1:17:22] increased by what amounted to it over 30

[1:17:24] percent that's significant if we ever

[1:17:27] raise taxes 30

[1:17:29] people would just go out of their minds

[1:17:31] so you know we have to look this is like

[1:17:33] you really increased it by a significant

[1:17:35] amount of money

[1:17:36] a person's income

[1:17:40] i'll misspell and also but again you

[1:17:42] know a couple meetings back you know we

[1:17:45] had uh land rovers come to rail and

[1:17:47] something that i heard in saying

[1:17:49] multiple times

[1:17:51] was you know some of the rough

[1:17:52] conditions that they're in um and

[1:17:54] speaking with them you know how they're

[1:17:56] struggling themselves to make them you

[1:17:58] know to make ends meet and uh it seemed

[1:18:01] like a lot of that was you know

[1:18:03] based on the tenants that are living in in their

[1:18:06] housing which is

[1:18:08] ridiculous um for someone to have to go

[1:18:10] through some of the things that they

[1:18:11] were going through

[1:18:12] i

[1:18:13] the point

[1:18:15] i want to make sure that we're i'm

[1:18:16] intentional about focusing the

[1:18:18] conversation in the way

[1:18:20] of a solution that can be mutually

[1:18:22] beneficial and i don't just think that

[1:18:24] you know if i heard the landlords can

[1:18:26] continue to say affordable housing right

[1:18:29] and i think affordable this is a

[1:18:30] relative term right um but you know

[1:18:34] if we can

[1:18:36] look at what is out there and to see

[1:18:39] maybe um that's something we could apply

[1:18:41] here that would be mutually beneficial

[1:18:43] even if it's only for a small

[1:18:45] number of units um

[1:18:48] if you know

[1:18:49] every unit

[1:18:51] that is safe affordable

[1:18:53] and someone lives in here that's

[1:18:54] somebody that's not

[1:18:56] homeless somebody that's somebody that's

[1:18:58] not you know

[1:19:01] on you know section eight winnings which

[1:19:04] i don't know

[1:19:05] how many of the council members are

[1:19:06] familiar with the length of those

[1:19:10] you know waiting listings so i just that

[1:19:13] it's something that even if it doesn't

[1:19:15] look like a large amount of numbers of

[1:19:18] units it is a large amount of impact

[1:19:21] it's something that we can find on that

[1:19:23] yeah that's useful

[1:19:25] mrs williams i think one of my final

[1:19:27] points is

[1:19:28] i look at the direction our city is

[1:19:30] moving towards where we've had

[1:19:31] conversations over the past few years

[1:19:33] about community policing and community

[1:19:35] schools that the idea of looking at a

[1:19:37] situation from multiple angles to

[1:19:39] understand what

[1:19:41] an approach can be i think allows us to

[1:19:44] just look at things through a critical

[1:19:46] lens and not pigeonholing ourselves to

[1:19:48] only responding through

[1:19:51] tried and true measures so i think

[1:19:54] having a conversation with this thing

[1:19:55] that we made our mind up and just opens

[1:19:57] up the dialogue

[1:20:04] anyone else

[1:20:08] so um

[1:20:09] so am i understanding that

[1:20:12] between two of these that you want to

[1:20:14] have the town hall and have rent

[1:20:25] all right so

[1:20:26] you can send it out that would be one of

[1:20:28] the topics and then we'll all respond to

[1:20:29] that um i definitely you know i said it

[1:20:32] before i said it again i'll say it again

[1:20:33] i think that's definitely a conversation

[1:20:35] that we need to have in and hear all aspects of the conversation and um

[1:20:41] just do it in a mindful way that people

[1:20:42] know that we're listening both landlords

[1:20:44] and tenants know that we're listening

[1:20:47] to the problems of the community mr

[1:20:49] mayor i i

[1:20:50] don't want to create the controversy

[1:20:52] because i believe

[1:20:53] that mr williams comes up to go out to

[1:20:56] the town meetings

[1:20:58] on this path if you're going to have

[1:21:00] that as a topic aren't you better off

[1:21:02] having a city council meeting where it's

[1:21:05] recorded in the minutes of the meeting

[1:21:07] and it may then create a basis for

[1:21:09] legislative action or if you do it the

[1:21:12] town hall it's all informal it's a nice

[1:21:16] narrative but

[1:21:20] it may not give you the full weight that

[1:21:22] you

[1:21:22] want from it

[1:21:25] so

[1:21:26] i guess this is a question for you so mr

[1:21:28] upholding if we do a town hall format

[1:21:30] that's like

[1:21:30] we just like got together

[1:21:32] um or do we call it a special meeting i

[1:21:34] mean what can we do about that i can't

[1:21:36] advise you on what obviously what to do

[1:21:38] i mean you're certainly you know could

[1:21:40] have a town hall meeting as a council

[1:21:43] i think what the mayor's

[1:21:44] driving at is if there's some

[1:21:46] legislative action that takes place at

[1:21:48] some point in the future

[1:21:50] you obviously you know afford to be

[1:21:53] you know to take action there has to be

[1:21:55] some basis generally a lot of times you

[1:21:57] know maybe

[1:21:59] you know

[1:22:00] you can take notes and all that but if

[1:22:01] there's legislation that's going to be

[1:22:03] happening at some point in the future

[1:22:07] i would advise the council to have some

[1:22:09] type of basis for taking that action and

[1:22:12] if you know things are

[1:22:14] informally done at a town hall

[1:22:17] and you don't have minutes and you don't

[1:22:18] have you know some type of record of

[1:22:20] what took place it becomes more

[1:22:22] difficult

[1:22:23] to legislate with that informality

[1:22:29] so i

[1:22:30] you know

[1:22:32] why not do both right like why can't you

[1:22:34] know what people do i think that

[1:22:36] having the town hall format

[1:22:38] um

[1:22:39] gives people um

[1:22:42] a chance to you know

[1:22:44] participate and give us some information

[1:22:47] in in a different setting

[1:22:49] and you know i i don't think

[1:22:59] a special meeting or whatever you know

[1:23:01] what recognition that approach

[1:23:04] can do

[1:23:17] i'm not texting anyone i was just

[1:23:18] looking up special meetings to see

[1:23:20] if that was an option

[1:23:22] um so

[1:23:26] um i think that we have to to i mean we

[1:23:29] don't have to make the decision tonight

[1:23:30] but i think you definitely have to um

[1:23:32] make some decisions um i just pulled it

[1:23:35] up but i don't think it's enough here

[1:23:36] for me to um

[1:23:39] okay so it looks like if we call the

[1:23:40] special meeting we could call a special

[1:23:42] meeting one topic

[1:23:44] and that would it could be a city

[1:23:45] council special meeting based on that

[1:23:47] and that would capture

[1:23:48] the information as well

[1:23:51] so that's another option

[1:23:53] as opposed to found off

[1:24:00] so mr charlie this is your topic um

[1:24:04] i guess it's kind of both of your topics

[1:24:05] what what is your would you like to see

[1:24:07] the next steps on this were you asking

[1:24:09] at the council yeah so i think the next

[1:24:12] steps will be

[1:24:15] we're just going to send um some things

[1:24:16] um

[1:24:17] and i think that

[1:24:19] i i fully you know i wanted to

[1:24:22] introduce this um conversation here um

[1:24:25] but i think that it definitely uh

[1:24:28] lends itself well to uh

[1:24:32] you know whatever format you know you

[1:24:34] ultimately decide on but i think that

[1:24:36] this is i would just like to see this

[1:24:38] conversation happen

[1:24:40] and i'd like to see our welcome

[1:24:42] counselor

[1:24:48] but

[1:24:50] this is people's lives that we're

[1:24:51] talking about here and i think that's

[1:24:53] just something i want to continue

[1:24:58] so i know we had a lot of conversation

[1:24:59] whether she did a town hall meeting or

[1:25:01] in the mayor brought back before that if

[1:25:03] it's not official then it doesn't do

[1:25:06] anything so chapter 28 does speak for

[1:25:07] special meetings so that's another we

[1:25:09] could have a special meeting outside of

[1:25:11] city hall that um in a larger venue

[1:25:15] um that would

[1:25:16] for that particular topic and then you

[1:25:18] know still capture the information and

[1:25:20] that would satisfy

[1:25:22] everything

[1:25:23] so

[1:25:24] yes ms patrick or we could i mean or we

[1:25:26] could do a city council meeting here

[1:25:30] where we have the reporting we have the

[1:25:32] city clerk we have you know office staff

[1:25:35] et cetera right in this building um and

[1:25:37] do it as part of a city council meeting

[1:25:39] right

[1:25:40] public hearing or

[1:25:42] we already i mean we obviously had i

[1:25:45] think there were 16 different

[1:25:46] individuals that spoke

[1:25:48] um

[1:25:49] from the landlord

[1:25:51] we did hear from the one person last

[1:25:53] week obviously at the rail um

[1:25:56] but

[1:25:58] i don't know again i don't know that we

[1:25:59] need a special city council meeting that

[1:26:01] we can

[1:26:02] do it during a city council meeting if

[1:26:04] that if that to fit with the idea of

[1:26:06] reporting and that type of thing

[1:26:11] well we can record wherever we go and

[1:26:14] so

[1:26:15] um mr williams do you have any i'm sorry

[1:26:17] so i think part of the wanting to get

[1:26:19] actionable on this is i feel like we

[1:26:21] keep having a circle circular

[1:26:23] conversation

[1:26:25] the intent is to have a conversation in

[1:26:27] the community what's an appropriate

[1:26:28] topic to find an appropriate topic and

[1:26:30] if it somehow comes back to

[1:26:33] it would be easier to maintain it here i

[1:26:35] didn't kind of miss the overall intent

[1:26:37] of wanting to meet the community where

[1:26:38] they are

[1:26:40] i understand that there are other

[1:26:42] already established meeting settings

[1:26:44] such as neighborhood associated meetings

[1:26:46] but i think we need to be intentional

[1:26:48] with having a designated time to go out

[1:26:52] whether it is a town hall or whether

[1:26:54] it's a special meeting which i did

[1:26:55] recommend first rose recommended that we

[1:26:57] did not need that

[1:26:59] i am in favor of doing whatever as long

[1:27:02] as we can get to the community that's if i'm going to be being very

[1:27:06] transparent that's what i want

[1:27:08] and i understand that i'm not it's not a

[1:27:11] council of college lawyers

[1:27:13] so i recognize the importance of

[1:27:16] meeting everyone where they are but

[1:27:17] without any other input from the council

[1:27:19] i would absolutely recommend having a

[1:27:21] special meeting

[1:27:22] at destiny location and i can put

[1:27:24] together all the homework assignments

[1:27:27] that were

[1:27:28] given to me to get the proper message

[1:27:30] get the menu products and outlines and

[1:27:33] counselors for us to discuss

[1:27:35] behind the scenes and that way we can

[1:27:37] out we can roll this out to the

[1:27:38] community the appropriate way so people

[1:27:40] are aware not so that they can come in

[1:27:42] full force posturing just so they can

[1:27:44] come with their stories that we can hear

[1:27:47] and be able to have a validity with how

[1:27:50] we should respond

[1:27:56] or is that just thinking what's that

[1:28:10] and i don't even know what you're saying

[1:28:17] yes so again um i think we keep having

[1:28:19] this conversation because i think two

[1:28:21] meetings ago we did decide that we

[1:28:23] didn't want to do city hall meetings

[1:28:25] outside of city hall

[1:28:27] i think that was the decision um and

[1:28:29] that that's how we got to the town hall

[1:28:31] meeting place

[1:28:33] so

[1:28:34] i personally would like to stick with

[1:28:36] that idea

[1:28:39] i don't think it was a final decision i

[1:28:41] think it was a discussion i don't think

[1:28:43] we finally said yes absolutely no city

[1:28:45] council meetings outside of town and if

[1:28:47] somebody else heard it differently

[1:28:48] let me know

[1:28:50] um

[1:28:51] so

[1:28:53] all right we just you got to get some

[1:28:54] things out of here right tonight

[1:28:56] so are we going to have a town hall and

[1:28:59] the city council meeting to address this

[1:29:02] because

[1:29:03] the whole purpose of mr um

[1:29:05] is bringing this forward was that we

[1:29:07] actually engage the community outside

[1:29:08] the community we go to meetings

[1:29:11] often um and we

[1:29:14] sort of hosted one with the um oh um the

[1:29:16] cannabis events we just kind of like

[1:29:18] helped them but they really did all the

[1:29:19] work there so that we we've done that so

[1:29:22] i i'm not sure why we're opposed to

[1:29:24] doing more things like that where people

[1:29:26] clearly

[1:29:27] people came to that meeting that

[1:29:29] probably we've never seen in the city

[1:29:31] council meeting because it was a topic

[1:29:33] they were interested in

[1:29:35] so

[1:29:35] i don't see why we are objecting to

[1:29:39] going meaning outside of

[1:29:42] um

[1:29:43] these four walls or however many walls

[1:29:45] they're off

[1:29:47] so i'm not sure why there's a major

[1:29:48] objection to that

[1:29:51] and um

[1:29:53] i think i heard from every council

[1:29:54] member except mr moon do you have any

[1:29:55] thoughts on this

[1:29:57] no i'm okay but i had a title

[1:29:59] either format

[1:30:04] so the discussion is like how do we look

[1:30:06] forward to you know

[1:30:08] do we just take do we do the special

[1:30:10] meeting or do we do the town hall and

[1:30:13] city council meeting which is more of

[1:30:15] the same and will people come to vote

[1:30:24] right right right um yes and i was just

[1:30:27] reminded that we went out to the

[1:30:29] community when we talked about arthur we

[1:30:31] presented ourselves to the community so

[1:30:33] disable the needs what's that

[1:30:34] neighborhood meetings

[1:30:36] no we created those meetings those

[1:30:38] meetings were created by us you know i

[1:30:39] think the i think the mayor and the city

[1:30:42] development office but that's what i'm

[1:30:44] talking about those neighborhood

[1:30:45] meetings were really effective but they

[1:30:47] weren't just for they weren't they were

[1:30:49] specifically for arka it wasn't like the

[1:30:51] neighborhood association is meeting

[1:30:52] right no no i i know what you're saying

[1:30:54] right um but i'm saying that's what i

[1:30:56] think we talked about in terms of this

[1:30:57] idea of a town meeting was the exact

[1:31:00] same thing we even said that two

[1:31:01] meetings ago that those neighborhood

[1:31:03] meetings were a perfect model of a way

[1:31:07] to solicit and the idea was for us to

[1:31:09] not say anything

[1:31:10] as city council people but to go and

[1:31:12] listen and i think we all did pretty

[1:31:14] much go i know i missed one i think

[1:31:16] maybe each of us missed one out of all

[1:31:19] the united

[1:31:20] uh

[1:31:21] of those meetings

[1:31:22] and they were really informative so i

[1:31:24] think that that is a good model this

[1:31:27] town hall meeting neighborhood meeting

[1:31:28] whatever you want to call it is a good

[1:31:30] model to solicit input

[1:31:32] on a topic i think with the cannabis one

[1:31:35] again i mean if we had said we're going

[1:31:37] to have the cannabis office cannabis

[1:31:39] management come and do that meeting here

[1:31:41] at city hall those folks would have

[1:31:43] showed up at city hall i mean i don't

[1:31:44] know that to be true it's right across

[1:31:46] the street i know what it is

[1:31:49] right that's what i'm saying though i

[1:31:50] think that nobody else

[1:31:52] would have would have come to this

[1:31:54] building just as they did to the library

[1:31:56] which is another good setting for a

[1:31:57] neighborhood meeting by the way

[1:31:59] um

[1:32:01] but what i'm saying to you what i'm

[1:32:03] saying about that is i

[1:32:05] know some people that were meeting i

[1:32:07] personally invited people i had people

[1:32:08] invite people who have never and i've

[1:32:10] invited some of those same people to

[1:32:11] city hall

[1:32:12] who have never shown up so for some

[1:32:14] people

[1:32:15] um not there's anything wrong with city

[1:32:17] hall we all love it here certainly um

[1:32:19] but there's some people that just feel a

[1:32:21] little bit more comfortable outside of

[1:32:23] what they consider very formal

[1:32:25] environments and so um so that's where

[1:32:27] we're just trying to meet people where

[1:32:28] they are

[1:32:33] mr i think

[1:32:35] this is a very certain conversation

[1:32:38] and i think it's it's pretty clear that

[1:32:40] this is just about

[1:32:42] accessibility and we should be thinking

[1:32:45] of different ways

[1:32:47] to be

[1:32:48] um you know where tradition shouldn't

[1:32:50] stifle innovation here we should be

[1:32:52] thinking of ways to create more entry

[1:32:54] points for people to be involved it

[1:32:56] sounds like a good idea to do that so

[1:32:58] can we just do that so we can do

[1:33:00] something or we just come keep into our

[1:33:02] circular conversation

[1:33:04] and i again support the

[1:33:07] issues that i brought forth as far as

[1:33:08] residency organization i support that

[1:33:11] being that so my

[1:33:13] let's

[1:33:14] do a special meeting

[1:33:16] in the community

[1:33:18] on rent stabilization

[1:33:21] that's my position

[1:33:26] okay

[1:33:27] so

[1:33:31] i'm i i could support that but i guess

[1:33:33] we would have to kind of take a straw

[1:33:34] hole because it's going to need at least

[1:33:36] four of us who say that we're willing to

[1:33:37] do that

[1:33:40] so i'll start meeting mr feldman no it

[1:33:42] should be a town hall

[1:33:44] the idea of a special meeting i think

[1:33:47] there's restrictions that we want to be

[1:33:49] able to hear people

[1:33:51] and to get to the what we're trying to

[1:33:52] achieve

[1:33:54] just in my mind it doesn't accomplish it

[1:33:56] and secondly

[1:33:58] when we have a center of government

[1:34:01] and people aren't coming here that's a

[1:34:03] problem

[1:34:05] because we want people to come here

[1:34:08] and be able to

[1:34:09] address us

[1:34:10] to be able to

[1:34:12] bring their concerns and be comfortable

[1:34:14] here

[1:34:15] and we're out in the community all the

[1:34:17] time i'm even gonna say we i know i am

[1:34:21] and several other people

[1:34:23] so this this notion that we're not going

[1:34:26] to people except when there's an

[1:34:28] election is this false

[1:34:30] but we need people to come here in order

[1:34:33] to be comfortable

[1:34:35] it doesn't mean we don't have other

[1:34:36] arenas like a town hall in order to

[1:34:40] uh hear what people have to say

[1:34:42] but when we're conducting official

[1:34:44] business there's a reason we have city

[1:34:47] hall

[1:34:48] and we want people to be comfortable

[1:34:50] coming here and if they're not

[1:34:52] comfortable coming here

[1:34:54] and having something intentionally

[1:34:56] outside just for the comfort level

[1:34:59] that's sending the wrong message we want

[1:35:02] people to be comfortable coming to our

[1:35:04] meetings

[1:35:06] and by doing this we're sending the

[1:35:08] wrong message

[1:35:09] mr tara i'd be in favor of a town hall

[1:35:12] at a special meeting i think if we have

[1:35:14] to have a special meeting we'll be here

[1:35:16] in the council chambers

[1:35:17] but a town hall for sure

[1:35:22] assuming to them so mr williams you

[1:35:24] started out this evening discussing that

[1:35:26] you're in favor of a top hall

[1:35:28] and mr mccarthy just stepped in to say

[1:35:31] take official action you need to do it

[1:35:33] so kind of like

[1:35:35] based on your research and everything

[1:35:37] that you put together you're more in

[1:35:38] favor of a tom hall

[1:35:40] forces on the special um

[1:35:42] committee meeting is that

[1:35:45] what you were discussing earlier today

[1:35:48] i was looking forward to hearing some

[1:35:50] input from the other council members

[1:35:51] that is the first time mr palomi has

[1:35:53] said that during this discussion started

[1:35:55] hearing that

[1:35:57] absolutely i would be willing to go back

[1:35:59] to having a town hall meeting my whole

[1:36:01] and my old uh intentions with that

[1:36:04] compromise was trying to figure out a

[1:36:06] way to collaboratively work with each

[1:36:08] other

[1:36:09] but having made that calm so late in the

[1:36:11] conversation

[1:36:12] if i had the opportunity i would have

[1:36:14] done what i wanted to do first because

[1:36:15] of special meeting

[1:36:16] but hearing this now i can

[1:36:19] have a ton of me but my vote's not now

[1:36:22] true

[1:36:25] yeah i'm

[1:36:27] since basically a discussion earlier i'm going to be at this point if i'm in

[1:36:30] fayetteville

[1:36:33] it's patrick i'm in favor of town hall

[1:36:36] whether we call it town hall or a

[1:36:38] neighborhood meeting i have expressed i

[1:36:40] think we did express a couple meetings

[1:36:42] when we first had that first discussion

[1:36:44] mr williams i think we all did say that

[1:36:46] this is the place that we you know want

[1:36:48] to develop an official business at least

[1:36:50] i think that i i think that mr coleman

[1:36:52] didn't say that i don't know i know i

[1:36:54] said it um but i do think i'll go back

[1:36:56] to i'll go back to um you know the

[1:37:00] event that um

[1:37:02] miss cornfield and miss de toro and i

[1:37:04] had with um some young women

[1:37:08] young girls and young women

[1:37:10] from the school district here i do think

[1:37:13] that i like the idea of opening our

[1:37:15] doors even in that way like having girl

[1:37:18] scout troops or boy scout troops that

[1:37:20] come in and you know meet with folks and get to tour the place um you know so

[1:37:25] i think to the question of how do we

[1:37:27] think outside the box around those kinds

[1:37:29] of things i think i think starting to

[1:37:32] have tours or whatever i mean the

[1:37:33] history that we talked about that day

[1:37:35] was informative even to me um so i think

[1:37:38] that there are ways that we can do that

[1:37:40] but i i do appreciate the fact that this

[1:37:42] is the seat of our government here and i agree that

[1:37:48] we have to figure out ways to make it

[1:37:49] comfortable but in this regard i say

[1:37:52] town hall name of the meeting

[1:37:55] so

[1:37:57] again

[1:37:58] i just i'm in the favor of doing

[1:38:00] something

[1:38:01] and i think that you know

[1:38:03] and

[1:38:04] making things accessible to people

[1:38:07] i am not married to being a special

[1:38:10] meeting i would fully support being a

[1:38:13] town hall

[1:38:14] um and

[1:38:17] you know not either or but yes and so

[1:38:19] yes town hall and we you know we are

[1:38:23] being intentional about increasing

[1:38:26] access and hearing so from our

[1:38:28] non-traditional voices that don't come

[1:38:30] in the city hall because we do official

[1:38:33] business here at city hall but we do the

[1:38:36] business of the people at city hall so

[1:38:38] we need to be going to the people and

[1:38:40] finding ways to do that

[1:38:42] so i'm all for the town hall that's what

[1:38:44] we want to do um and i again i think we

[1:38:47] should talk about rent stabilization um

[1:38:50] that's what i got there for today

[1:38:55] mr

[1:38:57] so without

[1:38:58] trying to beat the dead horse i think i

[1:39:01] think looking at something as simple as

[1:39:03] our green market which is an awesome

[1:39:05] resource for

[1:39:07] our community to showcase to the capital

[1:39:09] region

[1:39:10] there are often times where i'll walk

[1:39:11] around asking people do you live in the

[1:39:13] city and more times than not they don't

[1:39:15] so i think that is a case in point that

[1:39:17] how if we expected people to have to

[1:39:20] traverse down here to get any

[1:39:22] governmental access i think that's wrong

[1:39:25] and it's not to say that this shouldn't

[1:39:26] be the focal point because i agree with

[1:39:28] you

[1:39:29] what i'm saying is if there are

[1:39:31] opportunities for us to take this

[1:39:33] vehicle into the community

[1:39:35] why not try it

[1:39:37] and we're not marrying ourselves to

[1:39:39] doing this on a

[1:39:41] quarterly basis which is what i

[1:39:42] recommended first

[1:39:44] about understanding that this is a

[1:39:46] process and having gone through several

[1:39:48] drafts of this conversation this is

[1:39:49] where we're at and i'm excited so i look

[1:39:52] forward to capturing all the notes that

[1:39:54] i compiled so that we make sure when we

[1:39:56] do engage the community and a town hall

[1:39:59] site which we'll be putting us to it is

[1:40:01] appropriate and we'll take the lessons

[1:40:03] learned and we will discuss whether this

[1:40:05] was a benefit

[1:40:06] or

[1:40:10] so

[1:40:11] it looks like it's settled town hall is

[1:40:12] the direction we need to go in but i

[1:40:14] think we do need to capture it somehow

[1:40:15] mayor so we have to we will have to

[1:40:17] think more about how we actually get

[1:40:18] people in again

[1:40:20] to talk about this and um so having

[1:40:22] people come in to talk as you made the

[1:40:24] point this time it's not the tour was us

[1:40:26] telling them and describing them this

[1:40:28] time with them telling us

[1:40:29] so

[1:40:32] i meant that i like the idea of trying

[1:40:34] to

[1:40:35] that was a separate thing okay that was

[1:40:37] me digressing into the way that we can

[1:40:40] start to make people feel comfortable

[1:40:41] about coming here is maybe talking to

[1:40:43] young people and having young people

[1:40:45] come here um and

[1:40:48] sharing with them what this place is um

[1:40:50] i mean i think we heard that day that

[1:40:52] somebody that came didn't even know that

[1:40:54] there was such a thing as the city of

[1:40:56] all of where to see it all was so i

[1:40:58] think the more that we can do those

[1:40:59] kinds of things as well

[1:41:01] um

[1:41:02] i'm not play something okay what we're

[1:41:04] talking about i'm saying okay kids i

[1:41:06] didn't quite get it yeah no it's a nice

[1:41:07] way to get people to come down here we

[1:41:09] can do

[1:41:10] i'm sure they're able to post coffee and

[1:41:12] donuts for adults maybe even that

[1:41:14] haven't been here but i'm just i'm

[1:41:16] joking but i'm just saying i mean i

[1:41:17] think there's ways to to to introduce

[1:41:20] people to city hall as well

[1:41:21] so um just to like

[1:41:23] return the focus to this so we're going

[1:41:25] to do a town hall meeting

[1:41:27] with the

[1:41:29] you want the discussion to be rent

[1:41:31] stabilization i think we do have some

[1:41:33] homework to do um before that

[1:41:35] um mr

[1:41:37] williams send out the dates and then we

[1:41:39] can all decide oh well can you just

[1:41:41] check to make sure none of them fall on

[1:41:43] the uh neighborhood association dave

[1:41:45] email has sent out the date and then

[1:41:47] we'll

[1:41:48] say yes no

[1:41:49] you know which state works for us

[1:41:51] and take from there and then and just as

[1:41:53] a reminder we still need to do something

[1:41:55] so that it can be

[1:41:56] because the mayor said it needs to in

[1:41:58] order to if we're going to move forward

[1:41:59] and do anything we have to have some way

[1:42:00] that we officially capture

[1:42:02] what we're doing here so and the town

[1:42:04] hall does not meet that particular

[1:42:07] need

[1:42:08] so

[1:42:09] we have to record it

[1:42:11] right

[1:42:12] take

[1:42:15] oh

[1:42:16] all right so um

[1:42:19] so mr um williams will send that out

[1:42:22] we'll head back and hopefully sometime

[1:42:24] in september or early october

[1:42:26] we'll actually move forward on this and

[1:42:28] in the meantime um

[1:42:31] if we can keep the council just updating

[1:42:32] in terms of

[1:42:34] you know where we are with that

[1:42:36] um

[1:42:37] mr farley i need to hand it back to you

[1:42:39] because you were the this was your topic

[1:42:41] of discussion

[1:42:43] i'm just glad that you know we're

[1:42:45] talking about this really important

[1:42:46] topic

[1:42:48] for um

[1:42:50] making

[1:42:51] decisions

[1:42:53] you know

[1:42:54] informed decisions and making people

[1:42:55] access to the hard conversations

[1:42:59] okay

[1:43:00] thank you thank you all for your input

[1:43:03] and uh the next item on the agenda is an

[1:43:05] amendment of the bargaining agreement mr

[1:43:08] poland does that need to be an executive

[1:43:09] session um i'm requesting that it'd be

[1:43:10] an executive session

[1:43:12] okay and all remaining items for

[1:43:14] property sales also need to be an

[1:43:16] executive session so at this time i'll

[1:43:18] entertain a motion to go in the

[1:43:20] executive session

[1:43:21] second all those in favor

Schenectady Council Committee Meeting July 5th 2022

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