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[27:45] for tuesday september 6 2022

[27:48] the first item on the agenda mr ferrari

[27:52] is financed

[28:00] thank you cultural finance committee and

[28:02] of course item is 2022 when it's really

[28:04] hard

[28:06] continuum of care for capital district

[28:08] once here

[28:13] sdf

[28:14] sorry

[28:19] um so this request is basically an

[28:21] annual contract that we

[28:24] have with the ymca for the hud continuum

[28:26] of care and it helps to support rental

[28:29] and administrative costs for

[28:31] homelessness in the city of schenectady

[28:32] so they operate the facility at 845

[28:35] broadway

[28:36] so this is just a recommendation for the

[28:38] city council to approve renewing this

[28:41] annual contract that we have with the

[28:42] ymca to operate the program at 845

[28:45] broadway

[28:48] and this the first one is for the 10 bed

[28:51] i believe so there's two contracts one

[28:53] is for the 10 lid and then the second is

[28:55] for the 20

[28:56] so

[29:09] again it's the same thing

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[29:32] uh we're here today to uh request uh to

[29:35] schedule a public hearing for

[29:38] october 11th of 2023 on the

[29:43] budget for the 2023 budget

[29:46] we're hoping that we get this passed and

[29:49] after we have the

[29:51] public hearing we're hoping that on the

[29:53] 17th of october we'll be able to discuss

[29:56] what we called and hopefully we'll pass

[29:58] the budget by the 24th of october

[30:17] thank you very much

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[30:35] absorbing

[30:36] 16.005 785 and a few weeks ago

[30:40] we gave

[30:42] additional 14 609

[30:46] 955

[30:47] 40

[31:16] and

[31:26] because it was already taken care of

[31:27] because of the painting that was being

[31:29] done down there it says what they needed

[31:31] done uh so

[31:33] the um so i asked her folks who said

[31:35] anything the only thing i received from

[31:37] i did receive something from miss

[31:39] patrick because she said she wouldn't be

[31:40] here tonight so i would just like to

[31:42] start there

[31:43] and um in the packet there should be a

[31:46] backup of all the applications that they

[31:48] submitted so um

[31:50] what ms patrick's was uh most concerned

[31:52] about was the park

[31:54] and so um

[31:56] the recommendations she wasn't specific

[31:58] so

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[32:12] it should be in your

[32:26] um 250 000 and these all this was on the

[32:30] last thing that the mayor had submitted

[32:32] um 250 000 for the full repairs

[32:35] and um 250 000 for the riverside park 10

[32:40] and um

[32:43] and another citizen doing the parts

[32:45] another 1 million for central park

[32:47] general improvements which would

[32:49] actually take that to what the original

[32:51] request was which was 5.5 million

[32:53] because we already approved 4.5 million

[32:59] so those are the ones that um

[33:04] that i have here for miss patrick so we

[33:06] could just go around and um and if

[33:08] others have things that they want to

[33:09] control i can start with mr palmini if

[33:12] you have anything i knew you had parks

[33:13] the last time did you have anything i

[33:15] think there should be the

[33:17] projects that the mayor proposed last

[33:19] time in the parks at

[33:22] 6.09 and then

[33:25] i believe

[33:26] the remainder of the money should be put

[33:28] towards the sidewalks and roads

[33:32] okay

[33:36] is

[33:50] every different neighborhood is a chance

[33:52] for everyone in the whole community to

[33:54] be serviced by by the parks and

[33:58] so i'm in favor of proposing giving all

[34:01] that money to the parks

[34:04] and again in infrastructure but i'd also

[34:06] like to bring up that um

[34:09] i'd like to not spend all of our money

[34:11] um

[34:12] in this particular session

[34:15] um to see what's left and to kind of

[34:17] come around again

[34:18] i'd like to pay a greater

[34:21] amount of gratitude to our city

[34:24] employees especially local 1037

[34:27] um

[34:29] office of general services they're out

[34:31] in the during the pandemic they were on

[34:34] the streets every day they were in the

[34:36] office every day

[34:38] they didn't have the opportunity to stay

[34:40] home

[34:40] and work from their computers

[34:43] or work from a private office they were

[34:45] on the streets they were sanitation

[34:47] workers water sewer

[34:50] and i'd like to

[34:51] at some point

[34:53] visit

[34:54] extending some money to them

[34:58] to the workers

[34:59] who were front line essential workers

[35:03] as far as maybe some

[35:05] funding for their

[35:09] like everyone else received for

[35:11] being vaccinated presenting their

[35:13] vaccination card so again i think that

[35:16] would be very important to me um and i'd

[35:18] like just to

[35:20] uh for us to consider saving some money

[35:22] um to a lot for that

[35:24] um again there's no application but

[35:26] again this this money

[35:28] is to use for

[35:32] anyone who was affected by cola and if

[35:35] there was anyone affected by cova it was

[35:37] the amount of probably

[35:39] between 140 and 150

[35:42] local 1037

[35:44] employees who

[35:46] had to stay home with code but who are

[35:48] out in everyday work encoding bringing

[35:51] cova back to their families or being

[35:54] infected by hobart so my first focus

[35:56] today would be for the parks definitely

[35:59] and then

[36:00] i would like to see some infrastructure

[36:04] issues

[36:05] addressed

[36:06] i know there was a break over in the

[36:08] north side today the water's still not

[36:10] established so we have some extremely

[36:12] aging infrastructure in this city and

[36:15] again if we if you work on some of the

[36:17] infrastructure it can benefit every

[36:19] single member

[36:20] of the community so that's what i would

[36:23] hope

[36:24] to

[36:26] in terms of let me just address in terms

[36:28] of the money from 1037. there was some

[36:31] money that was put aside called job

[36:32] retention that's not even included in

[36:34] this correct no we have not even spent

[36:36] all of that so um

[36:51] thank you

[37:06] majority of not all of them

[37:08] and i just have a little cheat sheet

[37:09] here the central car a diamond

[37:12] the central park tennis court the elvars

[37:16] fairview park

[37:18] and the hillbars

[37:20] pool repair

[37:21] and a riverside bar

[37:23] i would like to see those that we

[37:25] discuss and consider

[37:27] this project and to perform the

[37:30] in regards to the parts

[37:34] so

[37:35] are you ready to

[37:36] jump in here

[37:38] okay

[37:39] sure

[37:40] we're talking about our recommendations

[37:42] at this point in time where is she

[37:45] okay um so

[37:47] the projects that i need to

[37:53] um

[38:01] boys and girls club

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[38:06] so it's just to be clear because um

[38:08] [Music]

[38:10] so if you just tell us how much you want

[38:12] to fund them for the co-pilot

[38:24] um

[38:33] for 1.2 million dollars

[38:50] so um just in terms of i think everyone

[38:53] got the email from hamilton hill art

[38:55] center so i think it

[38:57] um

[38:58] represents for the discussion is yes

[38:59] they send us an email

[39:01] initially they asked for i think it was

[39:03] 1.5

[39:06] i can look it up and

[39:08] 1.7 initially thank you it was 1.7

[39:11] and they wanted to do artist funding

[39:13] excuse me artist housing

[39:16] from the intern while we were in this

[39:17] process

[39:18] they

[39:19] actually received funding from another

[39:21] source to do their artist housing

[39:24] so their ask has been reduced

[39:27] and also revised

[39:29] to a um different ask um

[39:33] could you just come and explain what

[39:34] that

[39:41] from our is

[39:43] they're looking to create a new building

[39:47] essentially their existing building is

[39:48] fitted of a lot of repairs and

[39:51] i believe the objective is to

[39:54] take the first step in building a

[39:56] structure in the current sculpture park

[39:58] with a longer range plan of rebuilding

[40:01] where their current building is so now

[40:03] that they have the sculpture park and

[40:04] the existing

[40:06] site across the street they're looking

[40:08] to um

[40:11] they're looking to put this funding

[40:13] towards that

[40:14] um

[40:15] and this would

[40:17] i

[40:18] does anybody have any questions about

[40:20] the proposal um

[40:40] which you know includes a lot of

[40:42] information about what they do what this

[40:44] would be they have a lot of different

[40:46] aspects of their programming which

[40:47] includes after school programs um you

[40:50] know cultural events art exhibits

[40:53] um

[40:54] various things of that nature music

[40:56] lessons dance lessons they do a lot of

[40:58] different programming

[41:01] um they've been around for over 50

[41:03] years so

[41:13] including the amounts

[41:16] thank you

[41:24] um

[41:44] [Music]

[41:47] state park tennis court philhars

[41:49] the um

[41:51] renovations riverside tennis court and

[41:54] uh including the additional million

[41:57] to raise the general

[41:59] park improvements to their full ass

[42:01] additionally i'd like to include both of

[42:04] the ywca projects

[42:06] uh the mayor recommended one that urged

[42:08] me at 364

[42:11] 000.

[42:12] i'd like to include in the second which

[42:14] was a transition program for 750 000.

[42:18] additionally i'd like to include

[42:19] proctor's

[42:21] air filtration program for 76 thousand

[42:24] dollars

[42:25] i would like to include the kiwanis

[42:27] project for ten thousand dollars and i

[42:30] would also like to make in consideration

[42:32] for the stockade pump station i know

[42:34] they're asking for considerably more but

[42:37] i would recommend

[42:38] leaving them halfway

[42:40] at 750 000

[42:42] and

[42:54] you already mentioned the um urgent need

[42:56] for the y so

[42:58] also um

[43:01] they he recommended habitat for 500 000

[43:04] likes to support that it also looks for

[43:07] 100 000 first cap

[43:09] and the city hall hvac

[43:12] project okay

[43:21] and the city hall h stack for 352 000.

[43:30] that was it so we can go ahead

[43:48] so

[43:49] initially

[43:51] you came to us it was 120

[43:55] and are you still talking about that

[43:56] number

[43:58] um i mean that's what the request was

[44:00] when we put in the application

[44:03] costs are increasingly we actually added

[44:05] a lot to the scope because now we're

[44:07] including the tennis court and the

[44:09] basketball court across the street

[44:11] making that when we're mobilized

[44:13] initially the grant was just for the

[44:15] festival for splash pad and now it's

[44:17] kind of expanded so the project budget

[44:20] is increased so i just want to make it

[44:22] clear that that's a product that's ready

[44:23] to go learn how to unlike a lot of these

[44:26] other ones

[44:28] one of those

[44:29] thoughts together

[44:33] [Music]

[44:47] riverside park tennis

[45:02] if we increased it to kind of grab that

[45:05] components in there so that we're not

[45:07] doing a project when we do one component

[45:09] and then we hear it later on well all

[45:11] these other parts got those components

[45:13] so that was different from the last time

[45:16] christian was up here talking about the

[45:17] lighting component so what we did is we

[45:19] put the lighting on and we added that

[45:21] kind of sports car components so that if

[45:24] we were to move forward

[45:25] all the cords would be kind of similarly

[45:27] done with the coatings and refresher

[45:29] things like that um so that's why the

[45:31] cost went up because it was outside of

[45:33] the original scope

[45:35] that that's where

[45:40] so what is the question

[45:47] you know we're getting around like what

[45:49] we're using for example is you know

[45:51] riverside park we were working with uh

[45:55] cha

[45:57] kind of a two tennis court basketball

[45:59] court combo down there we're right in

[46:01] the neighborhood of 250 to 300 to

[46:04] freshen the surface fencing re-coat and

[46:07] bring those cords back so then this we

[46:10] have two cords

[46:12] and a basketball court the center court

[46:14] we kind of already had in our budget the

[46:16] main court but it was those two tennis

[46:19] courts and then the uh

[46:21] was a great remote basketball court

[46:23] those were the areas that we were

[46:24] looking to get this funding for and we

[46:27] with

[46:27] [Music]

[46:40] of our our stoke was lighting there so

[46:43] it's just to bring the whole park kind

[46:44] of up

[46:49] question

[46:51] so

[46:53] you're saying so the original so the

[46:55] main court was in the original main

[46:57] court

[46:58] the main court was always the base bid

[47:01] was part of it but we weren't going

[47:02] beyond the main court we weren't going

[47:04] into uh tennis in any one uh i want to

[47:07] call satellite

[47:22] if we would like we're going to get the

[47:24] bids

[47:25] soon

[47:26] so we could you know get bits bring them

[47:29] to you and we kind of talk about what we

[47:30] want to do and that would be the most

[47:33] accurate um if we do it that way

[47:36] but right now we just have estimates so

[47:38] we're estimating that those core

[47:39] components are going to be similar the

[47:40] 250 to 300 and then the lightning

[47:45] so we added those two together we got

[47:47] 450 and then we just you know everything

[47:49] we always do has a contingency

[47:51] because the costs are so unpredictable

[47:56] so are you telling us 450 right now

[47:58] i thought in the request

[48:02] right i thought that was in the request

[48:16] so

[48:21] yes

[48:47] was all per day and work is being done

[48:50] i mean they may have asked for in a

[48:52] proposal 500 000

[48:54] i don't have any issue

[48:56] adding that so the parks projects

[49:08] my recommendation as we discussed it

[49:11] last time would be appropriating and

[49:12] running for that particular purpose

[49:14] because the south debate is still going

[49:15] to have to come back to the city council

[49:17] to actually approve the contract right

[49:19] yes

[49:21] we're pretty much doing the same as we

[49:23] did the last time all right

[49:26] there is a contingency assigned to it

[49:28] we'll let you

[49:31] and what we did last time there were

[49:33] certain

[49:34] as a reminder

[49:36] certain

[49:39] organizations that the council wanted to

[49:41] move ahead with

[49:42] in terms of funding them directly so he

[49:45] said authorize the mayor and enter into

[49:46] a contract with those particular ones

[49:48] otherwise it was just essentially to you

[49:51] know flatten better work had the money

[49:53] um

[50:06] so i think it's a good point for me to

[50:08] interject so i'm going to share my

[50:10] comments before are in line with mr

[50:12] economy suggestion including the other

[50:14] parts

[50:16] i would be in agreement with holding

[50:18] x amount of dollars

[50:21] for a amended

[50:23] second round

[50:24] i know that we've all had and heard from

[50:26] the community how that was interpreted

[50:29] but i think there are still lingering

[50:31] projects

[50:32] that need ample consideration

[50:34] so i know although

[50:36] us as a member

[50:37] of the community

[50:39] we are coming with our ideas and

[50:41] recommendations but i still believe that

[50:43] there is a considerable amount of

[50:46] potential projects that could equally

[50:48] and should equally be considered

[50:50] so

[50:51] although i was

[50:53] not planning specifically to

[50:56] put that much towards jerry broyle with

[50:58] me personally i want to make sure

[50:59] considerations are made so that

[51:02] once funded it's funded appropriately so

[51:04] now he's nearly together so i appreciate

[51:06] this along uh providing that

[51:09] overview but then also wanted to keep in mind with the other projects or

[51:13] all the parts that are still out there

[51:17] i think taking moments to understand

[51:19] what our intent is with

[51:34] like to see drug harvey at the internet

[51:37] because from part of the years of

[51:38] nothing that that market is being used

[51:41] every week every day so i think we need

[51:44] to get so these two parts consideration

[51:47] as we go about

[51:48] allocating

[52:03] needs repair

[52:04] that needs to be done it's on there

[52:06] somebody said that i thought that was

[52:09] taken out no no no no no no all right

[52:11] specifically

[52:16] i'm

[52:18] fairview park tennis basketball

[52:21] pickleball dog park i'm asking for a

[52:24] full funding as for the mayor's request

[52:28] as i said again we i speak with miss um

[52:31] patrick as well and those were concerned

[52:33] so those are the the the ones that were

[52:34] outlined hillary's both the first

[52:36] projects are actually included

[52:39] uh full full and mostly the full asking

[52:44] um so what's the mood of aaron uh what

[52:47] was

[52:48] remaining

[52:55] so david spence around 20.7

[53:04] job retention

[53:06] all the allocation that was done during

[53:08] full weight and i have to cover it and

[53:09] then what we did the last runs

[53:12] so we are talking about um

[53:15] you know 30.7 million dollars that's

[53:18] already allocated

[53:19] and

[53:20] if if you're wrong so

[53:23] i can start with myself in terms of less

[53:25] start to pull some numbers out in terms

[53:27] of whatever concepts regardless of our

[53:29] specific project for the parts and that

[53:32] way i can

[53:33] ask anybody mention any project can you

[53:35] just give us a number because i think

[53:37] this

[53:38] whole day we're making notes of each one

[53:40] of the projects so i can start with

[53:43] the

[53:44] headwear spark hill horse fairview park

[53:47] and i absolutely tennis

[53:49] basketball pickleball dog park

[53:52] asking every

[53:54] 500 there that's on the airport also

[54:01] we are

[54:02] just moved on

[54:04] home repairs

[54:07] i am asking for 250 000 here

[54:14] [Music]

[54:18] a diamond

[54:20] 500 000

[54:29] the central park

[54:31] [Music]

[54:32] tennis court 500 000.

[54:46] so we had a diamond

[54:48] the tennis

[55:19] riverside park tennis basketball

[55:22] and court reconstruction

[55:24] and that is 250 yes

[55:30] example

[55:33] that's two million

[55:35] cherry oral part we have the consensus

[55:38] on the floor so to move this out

[55:40] since i'm doing the park here

[55:42] by

[55:46] uh since its 1000 and mr um

[55:50] mr walnut has given us what he thinks is

[55:52] fall probably i'm i can support that

[55:56] um

[56:09] and we have the

[56:14] i don't think we anybody mentioned

[56:16] central park tennessee but i think

[56:20] the other one says central park house

[56:21] you mentioned earlier that's just a

[56:22] court reconstruction

[56:24] no that is that doesn't include that's

[56:26] the rivalry park now you said central

[56:28] park times earlier

[56:41] no

[56:48] [Music]

[56:56] is that included in the 500 000 century

[56:59] card tennis court or is that something

[57:00] separate

[57:02] no no

[57:06] that was i think one of the things that

[57:08] we're getting a little

[57:09] boston

[57:11] the parks projects were kind of like

[57:13] i call it you know the

[57:16] wish list right

[57:17] if we had this one of the things that we

[57:19] don't have and it's not because we can't

[57:22] is that we don't uh we haven't really

[57:24] met with the parks committee we have a

[57:26] parks committee

[57:28] and we really would like to utilize

[57:29] those committees to prioritize things

[57:32] myself and kristin and anthony and paul

[57:36] the four of us as department heads we

[57:38] can prioritize things as we see them but

[57:40] we don't feel that that is

[57:43] great for us as the public parks and

[57:45] they involve so many outside entities

[57:47] and neighborhoods and so you know if the

[57:49] council might do it this is that so

[57:52] right now everything you said is great

[57:53] my personal opinion central park tennis

[57:56] lighting is

[57:58] it's down here all right it's it's it's

[58:00] that this off the floor you know we want

[58:02] to get the other projects up the a

[58:04] diamond we've been trying to get that

[58:05] lit for

[58:06] eight years

[58:07] you know some of these other projects

[58:09] that have just come up that are taking

[58:10] some money you know but this was you

[58:12] know

[58:12] a list that we put together and the

[58:15] other thing just to make sure is

[58:17] just because we may not fund it with

[58:19] arpa doesn't mean that it will never get

[58:21] funded you know we're going through a

[58:22] capital budget right now we're going to

[58:24] do a capital budget next year

[58:26] um we're programming a lot right now

[58:29] okay the person that gets all that done

[58:33] is just me

[58:35] so you know that's a lot to put on the

[58:37] plate i mean kristen does

[58:39] some but when you get into construction

[58:41] it's engineering it's a lot of work so

[58:44] we're programming a lot here we've got

[58:45] to have realistic expectations of what

[58:47] we can get out with regards to doing

[58:49] this on top of you know about 50 million

[58:51] dollars next year republican

[58:53] infrastructure work

[58:54] you know so

[58:55] it's tough so that's what if we could

[58:57] you know i'm going to try to bundle some

[58:59] of these things together if we're doing

[59:00] sports course we'll try to involve

[59:02] sports courses one

[59:04] but i'll also you know prioritize things

[59:06] and one of the discussions we had was

[59:09] uh hillhurst park

[59:10] do we make it and we establish it as a

[59:12] pool do we go splash pad it sounds like

[59:15] we want to

[59:16] which is good that's a decision that we

[59:18] weren't comfortable making at the time

[59:20] we had it out there

[59:29] just for clearing you mentioned uh

[59:32] project allocation

[59:34] is that restricted completely to your

[59:36] title as a department head or is that

[59:38] just due to staffing locations

[59:41] both

[59:43] so if it goes through engineering

[59:46] i don't have staff to allocate things to

[59:47] i have consultants for consultants and

[59:49] managers

[59:51] so

[59:51] it's just it's a lot

[59:53] thanks

[59:57] so the

[59:58] 500 000 is not the lighting the lighting

[1:00:01] is 400 000. and the

[1:00:03] 500 000 is researching the tennis courts

[1:00:06] right right

[1:00:07] and and that cost that's the other thing

[1:00:09] that i would make sure we do this with

[1:00:12] our bonding and it's something that

[1:00:13] andrew and anthony can uh work on and i

[1:00:16] don't know how this important part does

[1:00:17] if it's not bonded is

[1:00:20] to keep things general enough for when

[1:00:21] we don't use it or if we do

[1:00:24] you know that we can use it for other things so central park we know

[1:00:28] that we need to upgrade some reports

[1:00:30] some of the cracks there's some heaping

[1:00:31] and some areas so we're gonna go um

[1:00:35] maybe that's how much it could be less

[1:00:37] and if it's less does it go back into a

[1:00:38] pot or can you use it for other tennis

[1:00:41] related improvements

[1:00:43] that's where you know if we were doing

[1:00:45] this in bonded money you know i would

[1:00:46] advise that we call this

[1:00:49] city of connecticut recreational core

[1:00:51] improvements

[1:00:52] not central park riverside i know that

[1:00:55] this is a little bit different we want

[1:00:57] to be more specific but i just want to

[1:00:58] make sure too that as we program we're

[1:01:00] leaving ourselves some flexibility so

[1:01:02] that if

[1:01:04] central park comes in at 400 and

[1:01:06] riverside comes in at

[1:01:08] 400. okay well that's the same how we

[1:01:11] can balance and we can get the projects

[1:01:13] done that's why also a prioritization of

[1:01:16] projects would be nice so that

[1:01:18] if the projects start coming in over

[1:01:20] budget we get that done and we don't

[1:01:23] just have to build one that's one of the

[1:01:26] biggest problems we're having right now

[1:01:28] is

[1:01:29] costs we want up pledges to stay the

[1:01:31] same and we're running into the luxury

[1:01:32] rail that we have these projects that we

[1:01:34] don't have all the money to finish we

[1:01:36] really want to finish little horses are

[1:01:37] great examples

[1:01:39] you know so right now my top projects to

[1:01:41] finish

[1:01:42] are jerry burrell hillburst very because

[1:01:44] they've been out there for the longest

[1:01:45] i'd really like to finish them because

[1:01:47] people will be waiting for them and then

[1:01:49] as we go we can get to the next round

[1:01:51] you know riverview was great

[1:01:53] but that i have that one level of a wall

[1:01:55] because we've been working on these

[1:01:57] other two for you know a year and a half

[1:01:59] two years he's done and cover had a lot

[1:02:01] to do

[1:02:03] so

[1:02:05] but so

[1:02:07] i i appreciate that you know lands the

[1:02:10] reason i want to be aggregable in all

[1:02:12] the parks all right so that makes sense

[1:02:13] to me why

[1:02:14] jerry garrell you know

[1:02:16] bought me to

[1:02:18] prioritize route i guess my question

[1:02:21] is

[1:02:22] we're talking about the capital um

[1:02:25] capital budget i'm i'm thinking about

[1:02:28] like you know are there other places

[1:02:29] that that

[1:02:31] some of the projects

[1:02:32] can be funded from

[1:02:34] because the arc of money is um

[1:02:38] refunds so i just want to make sure that

[1:02:40] right now you know i'm kind of taking

[1:02:42] point that we're not paying ourselves in

[1:02:43] the corners where we're you know

[1:02:45] over specific to where it makes sense to

[1:02:47] move money to a different project to

[1:02:49] maintain you know some continental

[1:02:52] parts

[1:02:54] but i'm just thinking about you know how do

[1:02:57] we assure that there's not other funds

[1:03:00] that could be earmarked for some of the

[1:03:02] projects um and then you know some of

[1:03:04] these articles can be kind of

[1:03:07] returned to the popular some of this you

[1:03:09] know smaller community uh

[1:03:12] grassroots initiatives

[1:03:15] well so you know christie can talk to

[1:03:17] this a little bit more but i'm not going

[1:03:18] to impact

[1:03:19] you know so right now when we do parts

[1:03:21] projects the main funding source for

[1:03:22] parts project is our cdbg money we

[1:03:25] either do cpg money or grants those are

[1:03:28] the two ones that we use so when things

[1:03:29] go over we kind of rely on cdbg money to

[1:03:33] help now to your point though we can use

[1:03:35] cv's money for other things just like we

[1:03:36] can use for other things

[1:03:38] i think the last thing we want to do if

[1:03:40] you ask amp is borrow money you know

[1:03:42] that's the last thing because borrow

[1:03:44] money is just like taking a mortgage out

[1:03:46] you don't want to borrow if you don't

[1:03:47] have to but at the same point i think

[1:03:49] that we should all be realistic to say

[1:03:52] if the city has needs and desires the

[1:03:54] council can borrow money to do that um

[1:03:58] but like

[1:03:59] in my on my opinion if i was ranking

[1:04:01] they have so many old products a diamond

[1:04:03] lighting might say eight years very

[1:04:05] barrel apart three years

[1:04:08] those are where i will try to go down

[1:04:10] and then we get down the bus

[1:04:12] and the community

[1:04:13] yeah this could be the only shop for

[1:04:14] some of them but that's kind of outside

[1:04:16] of my purview you know that's what this

[1:04:18] is i'm just trying to make sure you

[1:04:19] understand like if we're really

[1:04:21] splitting parents here i think that

[1:04:23] based on our meetings the people at

[1:04:25] central park would love for those courts

[1:04:26] to just stay at that tournament level uh

[1:04:30] that we keep them at and hey look guess

[1:04:32] what if you guys are like you know we

[1:04:34] got a half a million dollars to burn

[1:04:36] here yeah it looks like you know but if

[1:04:38] you have needs and fulfill the needs you

[1:04:41] know

[1:04:42] people will be more than happy to keep

[1:04:43] those courts at the level that they need

[1:04:45] to be to hold those turns correct

[1:04:49] so

[1:04:50] if we're moving forward with the central

[1:04:51] park tennis court

[1:05:06] are not i'm not going to be going uh

[1:05:09] most likely

[1:05:10] well i'm not going to say that

[1:05:13] if we did the lighting i don't know if

[1:05:15] i'd have to go into the courts or not i

[1:05:17] haven't looked that into that level you

[1:05:19] know the idea was if we were going to do

[1:05:20] it we're going to do the lower 8 quarts

[1:05:23] where it's very uniform light them on

[1:05:25] both sides and have an area that is lit

[1:05:27] quartz but once again we're coming down

[1:05:30] towards your decision to where you want

[1:05:32] to go a diamond lighting i would have

[1:05:34] here tennis

[1:05:37] because this is just putting things on a

[1:05:39] list of things that people have said

[1:05:41] that they would like to see

[1:05:44] and but but keep those tennis courts in

[1:05:48] championship level is very important

[1:05:50] because

[1:05:51] they have and and the use

[1:05:56] um actually i have a question from mr

[1:05:58] folden um so based on what mr wall is

[1:06:00] saying in terms of um if we let's say

[1:06:04] allocated 500 thousand only spent 400

[1:06:06] 000 on a project that we're very

[1:06:08] specific about

[1:06:09] um can the contract be written in such a

[1:06:11] way that we could just reallocate the

[1:06:13] money to something else the contract

[1:06:15] would have to come back to the council

[1:06:17] to begin with so there had to be a

[1:06:19] reappropriation of the funds that would

[1:06:20] certainly happen at the same time

[1:06:22] councils

[1:06:23] taking on uh authorizing the contract

[1:06:26] there would be questions on whether or

[1:06:28] not certain funds obviously qualify for

[1:06:30] use of the arpa funding

[1:06:33] i believe

[1:06:34] i'm sorry i just i'm specifically

[1:06:36] speaking about parks projects which

[1:06:38] right but

[1:06:39] mr wallin said maybe we can use it for

[1:06:41] other things related to it depending on

[1:06:43] what those other things are be a

[1:06:45] question on whether or not those would

[1:06:46] actually follow you know within the part

[1:06:48] sometimes whether they would qualify

[1:06:50] you know we would have to get into the

[1:06:51] nitty-gritty of it to know what those

[1:06:53] other things are

[1:06:54] um that being said um you can certainly

[1:06:58] you know it's up to the council on how

[1:07:00] general wants to be in terms of

[1:07:01] appropriating money now

[1:07:03] the council doesn't necessarily have to

[1:07:04] appropriate money obviously you can just

[1:07:06] wait for you know things to go out to

[1:07:08] bid the problem with that obviously is

[1:07:11] something you know mr well put something

[1:07:12] out to bid it comes back and then

[1:07:15] you know the console has to be on with

[1:07:17] one appropriating the funds for it uh

[1:07:19] because it hasn't already been

[1:07:20] appropriated and obviously going with a

[1:07:22] particular bid so that's why we would

[1:07:24] appropriate it now

[1:07:26] it can always be reappropriated later on

[1:07:28] if not all of it gets used or let's say

[1:07:31] you know the council appropriates 500

[1:07:32] 000

[1:07:33] it comes in over budget at 600 000

[1:07:36] dollars but it's still the best deal we

[1:07:38] can find and we really want to move out

[1:07:39] of the project the council then can

[1:07:41] re-appropriate you know other funds

[1:07:42] we're going to take it from this project

[1:07:44] where maybe we haven't you know

[1:07:45] appropriated all the funds and we're

[1:07:47] going to appropriate an additional 100

[1:07:49] 000

[1:07:50] council can certainly do that

[1:07:52] that's exactly what i

[1:07:55] love the wanted

[1:07:56] so we have a little bit of flexibility

[1:07:57] so that as we come to get the projects

[1:07:59] we actually can get them done complete

[1:08:01] the projects and i'm sure if we really

[1:08:02] drive dan in the development part we'd

[1:08:04] always have a little bit of cbg cushion

[1:08:06] or you know i have some funds but the

[1:08:08] problem is is that you know it's your

[1:08:10] point you know a lot of needs out there

[1:08:12] so you can you can cover 50 000 maybe

[1:08:15] but to cover half a million that's a you

[1:08:17] know that that hurts the project message

[1:08:20] go ahead please thank you um the other

[1:08:21] thing obviously is you know when you're

[1:08:23] getting close to the end of

[1:08:25] appropriating funds

[1:08:26] you you know when you put something out

[1:08:27] debate it comes in higher than we

[1:08:29] anticipated we will need to have that

[1:08:31] pusher if we want to move it out of the

[1:08:32] project but we only have 500 000 left

[1:08:35] and this is a 600 000 bid payment we

[1:08:38] would have to find if we want to move

[1:08:40] ahead find the funds so to speak uh to

[1:08:42] get that project done

[1:08:44] so whether that's cdbg monies or

[1:08:46] something else that's you know a

[1:08:48] question you know really for finance

[1:09:00] [Music]

[1:09:03] level i think is really important

[1:09:06] you know uh gerry's income into the city

[1:09:08] as well

[1:09:09] tournaments there so i think that's you

[1:09:11] know i would say that that's important

[1:09:13] um

[1:09:14] but it seems like that five hundred

[1:09:16] thousand dollars for lightning on the

[1:09:17] court

[1:09:18] sorry 400

[1:09:29] and then

[1:09:31] at least that would be my

[1:09:32] suggestion

[1:09:46] the discussion on the center park

[1:09:48] testing

[1:09:50] that's probably

[1:09:52] you want to say anything on that or this

[1:09:54] tutorial

[1:09:56] so how people forward this you know i'm

[1:09:59] good right now

[1:10:00] holding it off for this

[1:10:03] um so the four hundred thousand dollars

[1:10:05] for the lighting i'm again if if

[1:10:09] mr vollen places it way down here i'm

[1:10:11] wondering why it even ended up here but

[1:10:12] that's okay

[1:10:14] um

[1:10:18] for consideration um again it would be a

[1:10:22] you know i know the importance of those

[1:10:24] courts over there i can't believe the

[1:10:25] amount of use they get um and i know a

[1:10:28] lot of people who do do tennis and they hold

[1:10:30] tournaments over there and i knew i know

[1:10:32] the new guidelines for a pay uh scale

[1:10:36] for using the courts is a great revenue

[1:10:39] and i think at some point i mean if they

[1:10:41] want to go tournaments at night which

[1:10:43] may happen

[1:10:45] we could we could definitely use the

[1:10:47] lighting at this point yes oh no that's

[1:10:50] what i was going to get at is that i

[1:10:51] can't stress enough the importance of

[1:10:53] really getting that parts committee back

[1:10:55] and having some of these decisions

[1:10:57] discussions openly because here's my

[1:10:59] issue

[1:11:01] i have to put these recommendations out

[1:11:02] there and try not to act like i'm hiding

[1:11:05] things right we had a meeting with the

[1:11:07] parks people lighting came up we were

[1:11:09] talking about parks projects there was a

[1:11:11] lot of support for tennis in general i

[1:11:13] put it on the list that number is a dart

[1:11:16] at a board because

[1:11:18] the reason for that is that it's based

[1:11:20] off of what i've learned from the a

[1:11:21] diamond lighting and talking with their

[1:11:23] sports division these lights are going

[1:11:24] to be shorter they're not going to be

[1:11:26] baseball style lights however you know i

[1:11:29] did not have detailed conversations

[1:11:31] about how many ports really do we need

[1:11:33] to light the most effective seem to be

[1:11:35] the most smallest compact 810 cords

[1:11:38] there however

[1:11:40] what if they said you know what we just

[1:11:41] want to do four cores the tennis

[1:11:43] community only needs

[1:11:45] five we could you can shrink it up more

[1:11:47] or we can move so

[1:11:49] that's my issue as an engineer standing

[1:11:51] up here is that it is a it's a nice idea

[1:11:55] it will really benefit some because some

[1:11:57] people can only play at night we're

[1:11:58] getting into darker hours the weather's

[1:12:01] still nice but the sunlight is not there

[1:12:03] but it would be nice to have

[1:12:05] more of that

[1:12:06] sounding board other than myself and

[1:12:09] some city staff trying to you know just

[1:12:11] assume what do you think the best would

[1:12:13] be for the city

[1:12:17] go ahead please um so i also i would

[1:12:19] recommend

[1:12:20] that if we're talking about tennis and

[1:12:22] lighting that we would maybe have

[1:12:23] somebody from the usta or the group that

[1:12:25] uses it out there to be part of that

[1:12:27] conversation because they know best ways

[1:12:30] with needed so and that's where the

[1:12:31] conversation came from

[1:12:33] but it wasn't from a necessarily it was more of the fact is that we run

[1:12:38] so many instructional events there in

[1:12:41] tournaments that it was really the

[1:12:43] thought was okay well what if you were a

[1:12:45] resident you just wanted to play and you

[1:12:47] feel like you can't get onto the courts

[1:12:49] well you know what

[1:12:50] now you can we're giving you the ability

[1:12:52] to go out there and play

[1:12:55] but

[1:12:57] and

[1:12:58] as well as some schools practicing their

[1:13:01] um you know their availability the youth

[1:13:03] to get on the courts i live around uh

[1:13:06] community college and i mean those

[1:13:09] courts are night you know day and night

[1:13:11] being used by

[1:13:12] right on union avenue by the college and

[1:13:15] i'm sure there's

[1:13:16] you know so again uh at at this point

[1:13:20] you know

[1:13:21] i'd say

[1:13:22] we're working on the parts

[1:13:24] i would say i would go

[1:13:36] um b diamond needs irrigation there's

[1:13:39] youth

[1:13:40] uh leads that need new fences around

[1:13:43] them

[1:13:44] that hundred thousand dollars would go

[1:13:47] very far

[1:13:48] to make sure all that happens

[1:13:50] and uh i think that would be a much

[1:13:53] better use of that money

[1:13:54] um

[1:13:56] the b diamond is part of the facility of

[1:13:58] a b and c diamonds of bringing a money c

[1:14:01] diamond has

[1:14:02] irrigation b diamond doesn't

[1:14:04] a dominant of course is

[1:14:07] uh

[1:14:10] um there's the bellevue little league

[1:14:12] field

[1:14:13] who's being used for youth activities

[1:14:15] certainly could use

[1:14:17] new fencing i'm sure the babe ruth field

[1:14:20] the soccer field could use new fencing

[1:14:23] i'd rather see the 400 000 go towards

[1:14:25] that

[1:14:34] is that an estimated price or that's

[1:14:36] just that no that is estimated by

[1:14:39] an

[1:14:40] actual yeah so

[1:14:43] that is for uh collegiate level lighting

[1:14:46] okay so there are two levels of lighting

[1:14:48] like three levels there's recreation

[1:14:50] there's collegiate and there's

[1:14:51] professional

[1:14:53] collegiate level lighting is a higher

[1:14:54] standard and that's what we're looking

[1:14:56] at because i mean the goal is to always

[1:14:58] have you know college level teams

[1:15:00] playing on a diamond to bring that there

[1:15:02] so we don't want to keep local colleges

[1:15:04] from being able to play at night so that

[1:15:06] is their estimate to do that would you

[1:15:08] mind getting an estimate for us in

[1:15:10] regards to the central part of tennis

[1:15:12] uh very bad class because

[1:15:14] we can hold this for a couple of weeks

[1:15:16] the next rounds and we can continue to

[1:15:18] discuss this

[1:15:19] come back

[1:15:21] sorry i'm going to say it there is

[1:15:26] like for instance the a diamond has had

[1:15:28] lights so what we're talking about is

[1:15:30] reestablishing lights whereas the tennis

[1:15:33] court has never had lights so we're

[1:15:35] talking i mean we're talking about

[1:15:36] bringing in new service new transformers

[1:15:38] we can do all that i'm just that's also

[1:15:40] part of it is

[1:15:43] just writing for uh i think we can hold

[1:15:47] it until anymore

[1:15:52] um so listening to mr palmini obviously

[1:15:55] he knows a lot more about the parks

[1:15:57] program um

[1:15:59] who needs irrigation who needs what i

[1:16:01] mean how can we

[1:16:02] find out

[1:16:04] all the parks i mean i have a little

[1:16:05] park on south avenue that's a little

[1:16:08] it you know my bring my granddaughter

[1:16:10] over there

[1:16:11] right but i don't even know if it has a

[1:16:13] name i've been asking for no smoking

[1:16:15] for a year

[1:16:17] um

[1:16:18] like you said asking for more smoking

[1:16:19] scientists to you know

[1:16:21] but where where can we find out you know

[1:16:24] who has a list of all the parks and what

[1:16:26] the parks may need and be diamond and

[1:16:28] sea diamond and you know songs from

[1:16:30] talking park

[1:16:34] i saw a little park the other day i

[1:16:36] don't remember what it was and i said to

[1:16:37] my daughter oh that's such a sad excuse

[1:16:39] for a park here in this city

[1:16:41] um had a couple of swings i don't even

[1:16:43] remember where it was but yeah

[1:16:47] so mr wong is that something that the

[1:16:49] recreation advising communities

[1:16:51] um

[1:16:52] in terms of what's needed in the parts

[1:16:55] of that i remember you know several

[1:16:56] years ago we went through something

[1:16:58] similar where they went out they

[1:16:59] assessed the parks and it ended up

[1:17:01] having some improvements so

[1:17:03] what to mr

[1:17:05] is that something that the committee

[1:17:07] would then um i know it's a group of

[1:17:08] volunteers

[1:17:10] i believe

[1:17:12] a city staff member did do that in

[1:17:14] development i don't know if it was

[1:17:15] matter or not years ago we went and

[1:17:17] assessed kind of what was there working

[1:17:20] with some of the parts that but

[1:17:22] the recreation advisory

[1:17:24] they actually did the assessment

[1:17:25] themselves

[1:17:43] you know the staff has been doing it

[1:17:45] we don't have a great

[1:17:47] summary we do know the needs uh i think

[1:17:50] mr mutaveron's point but drought park

[1:17:53] you may say south

[1:17:55] park is forgotten but

[1:17:58] is probably 25 times the size

[1:18:00] and it is in probably worse

[1:18:03] you know and we did you know one of the

[1:18:05] issues with this part like that too is

[1:18:06] investments were made we have a

[1:18:09] very um well-built uh structure there

[1:18:12] that was used for uh for sports and that

[1:18:14] remains

[1:18:16] but otherwise you know

[1:18:18] it is kind of been let go and

[1:18:21] it's just stacking levels and things it

[1:18:23] says and the other part of it is it's

[1:18:24] much like this to be long-winded with

[1:18:26] all this it's much like the casino

[1:18:28] building in central park

[1:18:30] if you don't have a use and you don't

[1:18:33] have a purpose

[1:18:35] then

[1:18:36] it's it's hard to keep making the

[1:18:38] investment i know that some uh cricket

[1:18:41] has been played there but i also know

[1:18:43] it's a little small sometimes right

[1:18:45] isn't it the size small graph part

[1:19:07] i know the projects i'm working on but

[1:19:09] i'm usually focused in transportation

[1:19:11] projects yeah

[1:19:13] that's one reason why i imagine it's

[1:19:14] time it's um it's probably an immense

[1:19:16] assignment so it's a good opportunity

[1:19:18] when we go to the next round

[1:19:20] next discussion we should add these two

[1:19:22] parts into consideration

[1:19:24] because it needs to be taken care of

[1:19:27] so what i recommend if there's an

[1:19:28] objection i will hold the cyclone

[1:19:30] central park tennis court lighting on

[1:19:32] chill

[1:19:34] we proceeded

[1:19:36] and then we can also discuss

[1:19:38] the b and c dino is that correct

[1:19:42] c diamond has the irrigation

[1:19:44] b diamond would require

[1:19:47] let's say twenty thousand dollars per

[1:20:01] mr williams you mentioned a millionaire

[1:20:04] being a located so central park general

[1:20:06] psych improvement

[1:20:09] i know i'm coming to you but i just want

[1:20:10] to like since you're getting a part we

[1:20:12] just can cover that one item and then

[1:20:14] move around to you

[1:20:16] honestly i mentioned that

[1:20:21] what i was saying is that when um in

[1:20:22] discussions

[1:20:24] with miss patrick she was talking about

[1:20:25] the parts

[1:20:26] and then having um discussions that

[1:20:28] other council owners um did send

[1:20:30] information so the um

[1:20:32] what i what the final number was one

[1:20:35] million which would bring us up to the

[1:20:38] um

[1:20:39] the 5.5 because the initial act was 5.5

[1:20:43] and at this point in time we've

[1:20:44] allocated 4.5 so allocating the million

[1:20:47] would bring us up to the original

[1:20:49] assets

[1:20:51] from the mayor's office

[1:20:55] discussion of that

[1:21:12] seeing that i will then move forward to

[1:21:16] make a recommendation that we add a

[1:21:18] million dollars to the

[1:21:22] central park general site improvements

[1:21:40] this is

[1:21:45] all right um before we go i think we

[1:21:47] finish off the parks here i think we

[1:21:49] pretty much captured everything except

[1:21:50] for the michigan avenue

[1:21:53] and the

[1:21:55] tennis

[1:21:56] court lighting

[1:21:59] i just want to make sure did that

[1:22:01] include the 500 000

[1:22:05] yes

[1:22:22] 500 000. central park tennis court

[1:22:25] improvements 500 000

[1:22:27] riverside park courts 250 000 jerry

[1:22:31] burrell 500 000 and then the central

[1:22:33] park general site improvements adding a

[1:22:36] million dollars all together that comes

[1:22:38] up to 3.5 million

[1:22:41] thank you

[1:22:43] uh i made a decided comment from

[1:22:45] michigan avenue

[1:22:47] yes i am going to try on getting the

[1:22:50] sports

[1:22:51] is i went to michigan avenue and i

[1:22:54] believe the corn was in better shape

[1:22:56] than i originally thought there's just

[1:22:59] two large cracks so i'm meeting with the

[1:23:01] vendor to see if the cracks can be

[1:23:05] open filled and smoothed the cost may be

[1:23:09] a lot lower so i'm going to try to get a

[1:23:11] couple of hardened numbers because we

[1:23:13] may be able to just

[1:23:15] either

[1:23:16] you know yeah i'm just i just wanted we

[1:23:18] might be able to get michigan what i

[1:23:20] learned at our meeting was that michigan

[1:23:23] avenue and central park they are they do

[1:23:26] this they already worked together they

[1:23:28] did not know that

[1:23:29] the usda when they hold their seven

[1:23:31] events bring so many people that they

[1:23:32] run satellite rounds at michigan avenue

[1:23:36] while using the central park courts

[1:23:38] so that's where that 500 000 may be

[1:23:41] possible call that

[1:23:43] central slash michigan and use it for

[1:23:46] both

[1:23:46] and just get the tournament courts up

[1:23:50] and i think that is something like

[1:23:51] mentally when we get together we talk

[1:23:54] with

[1:23:55] a new parks director in the parks

[1:23:58] committee is maybe we make that

[1:23:59] designation in our heads that central

[1:24:02] park and michigan are the city's turning

[1:24:04] reporters and then we have another level

[1:24:06] that is refrigeration for us just to

[1:24:08] make that difference

[1:24:11] because i didn't realize that michigan

[1:24:13] was used at that capacity but for them

[1:24:15] to bring in that statewide tournament

[1:24:17] seven times a year i guess they need

[1:24:19] both so that was um but they can't use

[1:24:21] it right now because it's a very long

[1:24:23] large crack but it's it's

[1:24:27] an asphalt usually when you have a crack

[1:24:29] it goes everywhere this crack is about

[1:24:32] as straight as an arrow so i think

[1:24:35] it will be easier to

[1:24:37] fix

[1:24:40] but i'll get back

[1:24:42] thank you

[1:24:45] so um

[1:24:46] one of my recommendations um one of this

[1:24:49] did come one of those pieces from the

[1:24:50] mayor the 750 000 for bcni for the co

[1:24:54] thank you for coming recovering for

[1:24:57] surgery prevention that that amount

[1:24:59] would be 250 000

[1:25:01] and then um

[1:25:03] that's part of the seven 150 000.

[1:25:06] so you're right

[1:25:07] 750

[1:25:10] i'm breaking it up

[1:25:15] 250 000 would be for foreclosure

[1:25:18] prevention it's uh something they've

[1:25:20] been doing for a while

[1:25:21] and also the uh there's another project

[1:25:24] the hamilton hill infield development

[1:25:26] project for five hundred thousand

[1:25:28] um that's they both are asks um they did

[1:25:32] have four asks they took one off

[1:25:34] and i would also recommend the one name

[1:25:36] for the owner occupied rehab

[1:25:39] vacant houses project

[1:25:41] but with that i would also like to

[1:25:44] ask that they work with mr

[1:25:48] ron

[1:25:49] gardner to make sure that the people in

[1:25:52] the program that he works with are

[1:25:54] people who and that they end up working

[1:25:56] on as part of doing part of that project

[1:25:59] so we come up with a community benefits

[1:26:01] agreement to make sure that they're

[1:26:03] included

[1:26:04] as part of that

[1:26:06] since there's been a lot of discussion

[1:26:07] regarding making sure that people who

[1:26:10] live within the city get to work within

[1:26:12] the city um i think that we should that therefore that helps a project that

[1:26:17] the city is already doing in terms of um

[1:26:19] ron gardner's what ron garner is doing

[1:26:21] and also it lets us get um some owner

[1:26:24] occupied um rehab

[1:26:27] done

[1:26:30] so i was i would like to recommend one

[1:26:31] of my new towards that

[1:26:33] so it's total 1.7 million for the bcni

[1:26:36] they did have four projects but the last

[1:26:38] one i'm not i'm not recommending that

[1:26:40] one

[1:26:42] um i think did i say the um

[1:26:44] [Music]

[1:26:45] city hall hvac project

[1:26:47] before this one recap

[1:26:49] taking

[1:26:53] [Music]

[1:27:03] development project and they won million

[1:27:05] dollars for the

[1:27:08] owner occupy rehab yes okay

[1:27:13] but also like like i said with that i

[1:27:14] want to make sure that there's a

[1:27:16] benefits agreement so that they're

[1:27:18] working directly with ron's program and

[1:27:20] using the um

[1:27:22] the people that he's working with

[1:27:23] because currently what's happening is

[1:27:26] as they graduate the other program then

[1:27:28] he moves them on to firms so this would

[1:27:30] be an opportunity for them to

[1:27:32] work on some city projects as well

[1:27:38] so for attaching something like a

[1:27:39] contingency to this study

[1:27:42] if this were to be true

[1:27:44] attaching

[1:27:47] [Music]

[1:27:52] so because it's not determined by the

[1:27:54] outside funding agency like we had with

[1:27:57] i think somebody who's looking for

[1:27:58] funding from i think maybe stephanie

[1:28:00] foundation here it just goes right into

[1:28:02] the contract

[1:28:04] that'll be my recommendation

[1:28:08] 5.25 right now okay

[1:28:11] is city hall hvac in there

[1:28:26] okay and um finally um for we've been

[1:28:30] talking about food insecurity and we've

[1:28:33] already funded some of them but i would

[1:28:34] like to um suggest we

[1:28:36] find one made into the electric city um

[1:28:41] food pillow

[1:28:51] and i let me just add that i know that

[1:28:53] the county is currently putting on rfp

[1:28:56] to

[1:28:56] have a supermarket come to the old

[1:28:59] mohawk honda on state street which kind

[1:29:01] of addresses the

[1:29:04] supermarket in that particular area but

[1:29:06] my understanding of electric city would

[1:29:08] be this would be downtown so that people

[1:29:10] downtown will also have access to

[1:29:12] supermarkets so that is my

[1:29:13] recommendation

[1:29:23] [Music]

[1:29:34] is

[1:29:49] yeah everything running nonetheless yeah

[1:29:56] can you go down your list again i'm

[1:29:58] sorry oh i'll get anywhere else

[1:30:01] go ahead please um so phil has parked

[1:30:04] 500

[1:30:05] 250 a diamond 500

[1:30:08] central park tennis courts 500 riverside

[1:30:11] park quartz 250 jerry burrell

[1:30:14] 500 that's 2.5 right there

[1:30:17] adding to the central park general site

[1:30:21] work adding a million dollars to that

[1:30:23] uh bcni all together 1.75 million made

[1:30:27] up of 250 for foreclosure prevention 500

[1:30:30] for the infill 1 million for the repair

[1:30:34] and rehab program

[1:30:37] city hall h b ac 352 000

[1:30:41] and then

[1:30:42] the co-op 1 million

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[1:31:14] um so we're just kind of recapping the

[1:31:16] facts that we brought forward earlier

[1:31:18] yeah we mentioned that earlier so we

[1:31:20] have it we're going to make notes

[1:31:23] and write a project description and then

[1:31:25] here we are in terms of discussions

[1:31:28] so um i

[1:31:30] brought forth our hamilton art center

[1:31:32] i have 1.2 million dollars

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[1:31:41] the cocoa house at 500 dollars

[1:31:45] boys and girls club cubby

[1:31:48] you're really really fast man boys and

[1:31:50] girls club 331

[1:31:54] 408 voice in here as well

[1:32:08] excellent

[1:32:10] and

[1:32:21] [Music]

[1:32:25] that's

[1:32:27] true

[1:32:52] is

[1:33:13] [Music]

[1:33:29] so

[1:33:31] [Music]

[1:34:02] is 2 million

[1:34:04] 1.2 million for hamilton center

[1:34:07] 333

[1:34:09] for voice of your squad and 500.000

[1:34:31] and the boys and girls club

[1:34:34] yes so they're

[1:34:35] i only see them on here for

[1:34:37] 37 000.

[1:34:39] so is there something am i missing

[1:34:41] something under facilities or facilities

[1:34:43] i'm sorry okay oh

[1:34:50] okay

[1:34:54] city what's on that right there i tried

[1:34:57] it i made mine big years yeah

[1:35:08] oh full scale i'm sorry

[1:35:11] yeah sorry

[1:35:16] okay so that's so that's uh for the

[1:35:19] facilities

[1:35:20] project not the youth project that they

[1:35:23] had something in for okay i'm sorry they

[1:35:26] actually do

[1:35:40] i didn't know that so that was still on

[1:35:41] my list

[1:35:42] okay

[1:35:44] i'm good there now

[1:35:46] any other discussion on this

[1:35:50] all right so move forward with these and

[1:35:53] just recap mr clothing 1.2 million for

[1:35:56] hamilton art center

[1:35:58] 333 408 31

[1:36:01] 400 for boys and girls and 500k for coco

[1:36:05] that will give us 8.6340

[1:36:17] so i had both ywca projects the one

[1:36:21] which was the urgent needs which was on

[1:36:23] the mayor's recommendation

[1:36:24] and the second which is uh you know i

[1:36:27] mentioned i'm sorry about the project so

[1:36:29] if that's a quote they can

[1:36:31] make notes apologies 364 000 for the

[1:36:34] ywca urgent needs

[1:36:38] three six to four is it either

[1:36:40] 364 449 49.

[1:36:49] then 750 000 for the ywca's uh other

[1:36:54] project it's

[1:36:56] centers around uh transient housing

[1:37:00] what was the name again sorry

[1:37:02] 7 1500

[1:37:06] the next is 76 000 for proctors

[1:37:11] even

[1:37:12] correct

[1:37:15] the next is 10 000 for the and i

[1:37:18] apologize for my pronunciation kiwanis

[1:37:25] and the last is 750 000

[1:37:29] for the stockade pump station

[1:37:41] and for that one that's uh

[1:37:44] their plans are to reappropriate

[1:37:46] the old pump station building their

[1:37:49] original asset was for 1.5 million

[1:37:53] however i think it's a considerable step

[1:37:56] for the city to make

[1:37:58] to allow them to get closer to the full

[1:38:01] lasting

[1:38:02] and um

[1:38:04] i know we made similar considerations to

[1:38:06] other projects of you need to raise the

[1:38:08] money

[1:38:09] and get into mr wallin's point of not

[1:38:11] wanting to have fun projects they would

[1:38:14] need to

[1:38:15] have a plan in place to fund or receive

[1:38:17] funds for the remainder

[1:38:18] so i don't know we need to put a

[1:38:19] contingency in place yes

[1:38:22] so

[1:38:23] on the stockhead project we'll have a

[1:38:25] contingency

[1:38:26] in place based on them showing proof of

[1:38:29] additional funding

[1:38:31] are we going to set up a timeline on

[1:38:33] this

[1:38:34] we'll just stock it under 750 no where

[1:38:36] is it

[1:38:37] here

[1:38:39] is it it's in here

[1:38:41] yeah that is for 1.5

[1:38:55] i'm sorry

[1:38:57] oh there it is okay of the 1.15 is that no

[1:39:06] is that on this list

[1:39:08] that was in the packet

[1:39:16] okay

[1:39:27] a contingent on the rest of the funding

[1:39:29] yes so the stockhead will be contingent

[1:39:32] upon them or do you just want to

[1:39:34] appropriate the funds for them and when

[1:39:36] they're ready

[1:39:54] they didn't specify that sort of

[1:39:56] timeline any time

[1:39:59] no no big deal

[1:40:18] yeah i think we need to attach a

[1:40:19] timeline if we don't want to go home to

[1:40:21] the end of 26th something we're seven

[1:40:23] hundred thousand dollars is there and

[1:40:26] we didn't spend it

[1:40:28] so i think we need to give them a

[1:40:29] reasonable time like 12 months to go

[1:40:32] seek additional funding for this project

[1:40:45] this year which is a shorter timeline

[1:41:03] and

[1:41:03] here we are that we didn't spend the

[1:41:04] money at 7.50

[1:41:08] go ahead please and i agree with that

[1:41:10] and so also part of that would be the

[1:41:12] monitoring that's going to happen is

[1:41:14] that they're doing this

[1:41:15] um by the department of development and

[1:41:17] perhaps there is need an additional need

[1:41:20] for some support in that area

[1:41:22] um

[1:41:23] maybe we should talk about and that

[1:41:25] means maybe not make this decision today

[1:41:27] but we talk about bringing in support

[1:41:29] some support that may be in the form of

[1:41:31] consultants because it's a um a very

[1:41:34] limited time so we don't want to bring

[1:41:35] on necessarily a staff person that's

[1:41:37] there all the time but i think that this

[1:41:40] is going to require a lot i know this is

[1:41:42] going to require a lot of oversight

[1:41:44] that's going to be above and beyond

[1:41:46] what our staff already have to do so i'm

[1:41:49] suggesting that we might want to

[1:41:50] consider putting some money towards um

[1:41:51] have a consultant to to help with that

[1:41:54] um

[1:41:55] this process as mr wallin spoke about he

[1:41:57] uses consultants because

[1:41:59] there just needs to be work to be done

[1:42:01] that we don't necessarily aren't fully

[1:42:02] staffed to do

[1:42:04] so i think we should be considering that

[1:42:06] i don't have an issue

[1:42:08] lending them support but at the same

[1:42:10] time i would like to see a timeline

[1:42:12] absolutely and that person would

[1:42:14] the department

[1:42:16] and would keep track of the timeline

[1:42:19] go ahead so

[1:42:21] um

[1:42:22] correct me if i'm wrong i was assuming that

[1:42:25] most

[1:42:26] all the projects that when we enter an

[1:42:28] agreement with them there is

[1:42:30] an established time

[1:42:31] is it there i would say that and you

[1:42:34] know there's a lot of details to work

[1:42:36] out but i do think

[1:42:38] when we get time to enter an agreement

[1:42:40] with all of these organizations that we

[1:42:42] would want to have some type of date

[1:42:44] where if the project hasn't started or

[1:42:46] there's not full funding or it's not

[1:42:48] ready to go that we would actually be

[1:42:50] able to reallocate the funds because we

[1:42:52] don't want to be in a situation where

[1:42:54] you know and it probably will happen in

[1:42:56] certain things like if something doesn't

[1:42:57] move forward or there's a change we want

[1:42:59] to be able to

[1:43:01] reallocate the funds obviously so i

[1:43:03] think we should include that in all the

[1:43:05] contracts yeah

[1:43:06] that's would be pretty much standard

[1:43:08] practice anyway right you know what like

[1:43:10] uh

[1:43:11] can we block rent money right don't we

[1:43:13] do that with them too like depending

[1:43:15] yeah

[1:43:24] so

[1:43:25] are we going to reference anything with

[1:43:26] regards to the 750 being allocated to

[1:43:29] the pump station

[1:43:33] in the resolution so that way it's noted

[1:43:40] um are we going to reference the

[1:43:41] contingency

[1:43:42] against this uh pump station renovations

[1:43:45] i think we need to for sure yeah i think

[1:43:47] we should it'll be similar to similar to

[1:43:50] what we've done in the previous

[1:43:51] resolution

[1:43:52] right yes and similar to pricks where

[1:43:54] the contingency is noted in the

[1:43:56] resolution

[1:44:33] discussion on this or

[1:44:38] yeah any other special regards mr

[1:44:41] williams proposal on the table

[1:44:45] okay oh maybe i just have a total of

[1:44:47] where we are yeah thank you i was just

[1:44:49] waiting

[1:44:51] 10 million 583

[1:44:53] 857

[1:44:56] 10

[1:44:57] 583 857 that is correct that's what i

[1:45:00] have so

[1:45:02] on top of the thirty six thousand six

[1:45:04] ten five this is everything this is all

[1:45:07] the projects that have been discussed

[1:45:08] tonight tonight tonight

[1:45:10] right now this is just tonight yes

[1:45:12] ten million five eighty three

[1:45:14] eight

[1:45:27] so that includes i mean i don't know if

[1:45:30] i said it the second time around that

[1:45:31] includes habitat and scaf and the best

[1:45:34] house

[1:45:37] okay

[1:45:38] original no i didn't no it did not it

[1:45:40] didn't include those so we can go back

[1:45:42] please

[1:45:53] oh i should be specific i said habitat

[1:45:56] at 500 thousand

[1:45:58] five hundred k right it's gap at one

[1:46:01] hundred thousand

[1:46:05] and because 100 k is a scale

[1:46:08] yes

[1:46:09] what else but

[1:46:11] two hundred thousand

[1:46:27] any discussion on these three additional

[1:46:30] projects from this

[1:46:33] torn field

[1:46:34] go ahead please just give me one moment

[1:46:36] i'll take it

[1:46:39] so that comes out to uh just as a side

[1:46:41] note

[1:46:42] uh eleven three eighty three eight fifty

[1:46:45] seven that's an additional eight hundred

[1:46:47] dollars

[1:46:48] for those three projects one one three

[1:46:50] eight three eight five seven

[1:46:54] in addition to the bethesda house i see

[1:46:56] that

[1:46:57] oh it is for carol i'm sorry yes yes

[1:47:03] mr moon

[1:47:04] go ahead please so um just to be clear i

[1:47:07] had said those initially before we had

[1:47:09] the discussion

[1:47:10] regarding jerry burrell yeah we invested

[1:47:12] sorry yeah the second time around i

[1:47:15] missed so i'm sorry about that

[1:47:17] so with those um

[1:47:21] we're looking at 11 million

[1:47:23] 383

[1:47:25] 857.

[1:47:28] yeah

[1:47:32] any additional

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[1:47:49] for the camera

[1:47:50] the cara

[1:47:52] house project on the stage

[1:47:55] oh marion's got it all the new look okay

[1:47:58] yeah i just want to make sure

[1:48:16] so as of tonight there are 11 million

[1:48:18] 383 857 of new

[1:48:21] allocations

[1:48:26] what happens

[1:48:28] um so i had

[1:48:30] the mayor had advocated in his

[1:48:32] again going back to infrastructure

[1:48:34] something that we all um

[1:48:36] benefit from um

[1:48:38] 3 million

[1:48:39] 500 000 for funds for improving

[1:48:43] sidewalks and streets and

[1:48:45] along the corridor so i i know you know

[1:48:48] a lot of these things uh that we've

[1:48:50] allocated funds to

[1:48:52] go to benefit so many people in the

[1:48:54] community that need them and then

[1:48:56] there's you know people who live in in

[1:48:57] different parts of the community that

[1:48:59] don't benefit from that but the

[1:49:01] sidewalks everyone benefits from and

[1:49:03] personally i walk in the road a lot of

[1:49:05] times um just not to trip on sidewalks

[1:49:07] so i'd like to see how much we could

[1:49:09] allocate for the infrastructure for them

[1:49:12] yeah the last time um

[1:49:14] patrick had brought us up and i asked

[1:49:16] mccarthy for a description of the um the

[1:49:19] overall of the projects in terms of the

[1:49:21] sidewalk in terms of the road and we

[1:49:23] didn't receive it from him and me

[1:49:24] mccarty's not here tonight i think

[1:49:27] based on the last conversation when we

[1:49:28] were discussing this i think everybody

[1:49:30] was on board in terms of allocating more

[1:49:32] values missed the public even some more

[1:49:34] money yeah we need more money into this

[1:49:37] project but um i think we should get a

[1:49:39] little bit of description of what is

[1:49:40] exactly going to happen

[1:49:42] laws where it's going to happen it looks

[1:49:44] like we have 42 million right now yes um

[1:49:49] and there's 15.

[1:49:52] so we're looking at 10 11 million

[1:49:54] dollars

[1:49:56] something million left 9.89

[1:50:00] so again and again we want to keep

[1:50:02] um i believe a question for the projects

[1:50:04] that we are

[1:50:06] allocating money to

[1:50:07] um

[1:50:08] increased you know double funding

[1:50:10] especially in full that there's money

[1:50:11] left to fund them um and again

[1:50:15] as mr williams states

[1:50:17] there are a lot of

[1:50:19] people we didn't even get to on here

[1:50:21] that you know we might

[1:50:23] could allocate some some money too so

[1:50:25] again is this something that we could

[1:50:26] ask

[1:50:29] a sidewalk

[1:50:33] the sidewalk project but what exactly is

[1:50:36] going

[1:50:44] yeah we i think concern is that sidewalk

[1:50:46] where is it is it the money money is

[1:50:48] going to be there and we're going to

[1:50:50] decide what petition or are we gonna

[1:50:52] just take this money into the streets

[1:50:53] which i don't want the problem in the

[1:50:54] street but i want to be specific and to

[1:50:56] understand what are the projects or if it's a part

[1:50:59] of money that we're going to do petition

[1:51:01] right

[1:51:03] good it's certainly personally

[1:51:06] i'm not a sidewalk expert but my first

[1:51:08] question would be what does that 3.5

[1:51:11] million dollars do in the dent of all of

[1:51:13] our um

[1:51:15] cyclops that have issues

[1:51:17] but then what sidewalks do we prioritize school sidewalks do we

[1:51:21] prioritize sidewalks and impoverished

[1:51:23] neighborhoods do we prioritize sidewalks

[1:51:25] where

[1:51:27] homeowners are not able or

[1:51:29] it's a renter household where we don't

[1:51:31] want those funds

[1:51:33] displaced to increase our rental prices

[1:51:36] which are already sky high within our

[1:51:38] city

[1:51:39] so for me personally i think our

[1:51:41] sidewalks

[1:51:42] slash pavement is a long term plan and i

[1:51:46] do not want to call

[1:51:47] chris wallin back up here because he's

[1:51:49] due to come back up

[1:51:50] but

[1:51:51] how do we look at the current policy of

[1:51:54] how we implement chip within the city um

[1:51:56] because i think that is where we need to

[1:51:58] discuss i know i haven't had a chance to

[1:52:01] have discussions um to understand more

[1:52:03] of the mayor's intent but if it's truly

[1:52:06] to disperse all of those funds for our

[1:52:09] street payment i think we are at time to

[1:52:11] have that conversation of should we

[1:52:14] distribute those funds exclusively for

[1:52:15] sidewalks or do we need to look at more

[1:52:18] of a different

[1:52:21] distribution of proportions uh because i

[1:52:24] know for me living in this city

[1:52:26] if we're dedicating all those funds or a

[1:52:28] large majority of those funds to the

[1:52:29] streets

[1:52:30] schenectady is prone to have crappy

[1:52:33] streets

[1:52:34] i think that's synonymous with our city

[1:52:36] unfortunately not no no offense to

[1:52:39] those bad hunters

[1:52:42] so i think

[1:52:43] rather than

[1:52:44] putting forth

[1:52:46] limited one-time use funding i think

[1:52:48] that is the discussion that i'd be more

[1:52:50] willing to have

[1:52:52] yeah i i think that's something that i'm

[1:52:54] leading towards too because it's a do

[1:52:55] inside work let's put additional funding

[1:52:58] towards improving our streets

[1:53:01] so i know that there's some

[1:53:02] infrastructure money that's supposed to

[1:53:04] be coming down do we know the status of

[1:53:05] that

[1:53:05] [Music]

[1:53:09] i asked that question last cycle

[1:53:25] grants now so that's what we're looking

[1:53:27] into okay

[1:53:29] so maybe we can incorporate it into this

[1:53:32] infrastructure

[1:53:33] when we have a number place and can set

[1:53:35] aside some media

[1:53:41] i i just want to mention this in regards

[1:53:42] to the

[1:53:44] retention job retention and now we see

[1:53:47] it allocated here

[1:53:50] mr ferrari i know we had a conversation

[1:53:52] at a couple weeks ago that we're not

[1:53:54] going to spend all this money

[1:53:56] so at some point in time we need to make

[1:53:58] some adjustment

[1:54:00] to these numbers

[1:54:02] in terms of the the budget allocation

[1:54:05] for 2022 and the 4.6 million and the

[1:54:08] allocation for the 1.4 million dollars

[1:54:12] would you able to get that back to us in

[1:54:14] two weeks sure

[1:54:17] their job retention yeah

[1:54:19] 2022

[1:54:21] yes those numbers i think

[1:54:24] there are some changes gonna happen here

[1:54:25] we can get some more uh realistic

[1:54:27] numbers uh there will be able to free up

[1:54:30] some fundings with regards to um

[1:54:32] the budget allocation and i will also

[1:54:35] trigger the job retention number is

[1:54:38] going to come also

[1:54:39] so for original work on that we'll deal

[1:54:41] with this as we

[1:54:43] get to the next rounds and we'll address

[1:54:45] yes street inside logs

[1:54:48] top everybody's um priority

[1:54:52] uh anything else we should discuss here

[1:54:54] i would like to wrap this up and move

[1:54:56] forward with allocating eleven million

[1:54:58] three hundred and three thousand eight

[1:55:00] hundred fifty seven dollars this run

[1:55:03] on top of whatever we already allocated

[1:55:06] and then we can continue to discuss this

[1:55:08] the additional funding in the next two

[1:55:10] weeks

[1:55:11] and hopefully wrap it up there

[1:55:14] go ahead so my question is as far as

[1:55:16] we're saying funding so this um

[1:55:19] the remaining funding is for the second

[1:55:22] round applications that we promised the

[1:55:25] oh

[1:55:27] [Music]

[1:55:29] you want to talk about that go ahead and

[1:55:30] talk yeah i just wanted i know that you

[1:55:33] know

[1:55:34] we told people that they would people

[1:55:36] didn't fill out the application for the

[1:55:38] first round

[1:55:39] one of when we first

[1:55:42] when i was bringing up the fact that

[1:55:43] maybe we should extend the application

[1:55:45] process some of the feedback i got was

[1:55:48] if people can't you know didn't make it

[1:55:50] within the deadline for this round they

[1:55:52] will have a second opportunity

[1:55:54] to um

[1:55:55] to apply for funding so i just want to

[1:55:58] make sure that we're all clear that that

[1:55:59] is that we're all moving in that

[1:56:01] direction

[1:56:02] and saying well

[1:56:03] unless we're changing

[1:56:05] what we initially told the public i just

[1:56:07] want to make sure

[1:56:11] go ahead please

[1:56:12] yeah that was never agreed to i mean we

[1:56:15] never settled on that it was a

[1:56:16] discussion there was never any vote

[1:56:18] there was never

[1:56:20] anything decided on there were a couple

[1:56:22] of individuals on the council that

[1:56:23] wanted that but it was not set

[1:56:35] with no respect thank you i don't know

[1:56:37] who we is because i never said that

[1:56:39] again you see what we've gone through

[1:56:42] here and the amount of people that need

[1:56:43] money that are looking for funding

[1:56:45] so i mean if we're going to do something

[1:56:47] but hand out who's already put in their

[1:56:49] application the one time that we

[1:56:51] decided to do it i do not think there

[1:56:53] should be another run

[1:56:55] of requests for funding or you run into

[1:56:58] another 75 million dollars worth of

[1:57:00] requests which i think is what we got

[1:57:02] the first time with the applications out

[1:57:04] there and unfortunately i said that i am

[1:57:07] not in favor of that by any means i'm

[1:57:10] sorry thank you

[1:57:13] [Music]

[1:57:15] go ahead yes sir

[1:57:17] so there was discussion about that a lot

[1:57:19] of discussion about that and it was said

[1:57:22] many times

[1:57:23] and one of the specific things i do

[1:57:25] remember when the project for the golf

[1:57:26] course came up initially it was maybe

[1:57:29] 1.5 or some a much lower amount than we

[1:57:33] ultimately allocated and the reason and

[1:57:36] when i asked the mayor why i think it

[1:57:39] may have happened here at this table

[1:57:40] it's because he said when the second

[1:57:42] round came he was going to be looking

[1:57:44] for money from that round so

[1:57:46] um although we never took a vote and but

[1:57:48] there was certainly uh could seem to be

[1:57:50] a consensus that we would be doing that

[1:57:52] now mister to mr um william's point he

[1:57:54] mentioned that maybe uh we should not

[1:57:56] have necessarily the same kind of

[1:57:58] application process but have some

[1:58:00] process for people who did not get an

[1:58:02] opportunity the first time since we

[1:58:05] made a commitment of sorts

[1:58:07] um have an opportunity to put forth for

[1:58:10] instance we um we talked all the parts

[1:58:12] were listed except simon spark was

[1:58:14] listed on the mayor so that would be a

[1:58:16] group that would have to you know we'd

[1:58:18] have to put something together there so

[1:58:20] i think that if we could figure out how

[1:58:22] it doesn't necessarily have to be um the

[1:58:24] same process and um just for clarity's

[1:58:27] sake i'm not saying that we need to to

[1:58:30] do an advisory committee again um that

[1:58:32] was very long process so

[1:58:34] but

[1:58:35] we should come up with something i do

[1:58:36] believe to um be able to entertain folks

[1:58:38] who um anticipated and i actually had

[1:58:42] this conversation with someone over the

[1:58:43] weekend was like okay when the second

[1:58:45] round comes so people are under that

[1:58:47] impression

[1:58:48] um and so i think that we should figure

[1:58:51] out how we can somehow

[1:58:53] do this

[1:58:55] without it being as long a process as

[1:58:57] the first time

[1:58:58] that's that's how i see it

[1:59:01] so

[1:59:02] in terms of diamond parts and grout part

[1:59:05] we don't have an application in house

[1:59:08] with regards to time and spar or

[1:59:10] anything close to pearl power

[1:59:12] so in that case we will have to

[1:59:17] get application through

[1:59:19] your department with regards to what

[1:59:21] exactly needed at

[1:59:23] these two parts

[1:59:25] i mean i think that's what chris was

[1:59:26] saying like engaging the recreation

[1:59:28] advisory committee for bringing in you

[1:59:30] know

[1:59:30] [Music]

[1:59:32] some type of

[1:59:33] way to be able to prioritize some of

[1:59:34] these things but

[1:59:36] um i mean that would be

[1:59:37] what's time is park

[1:59:39] right

[1:59:40] now you're talking about the whole

[1:59:41] general partner

[1:59:45] [Music]

[1:59:47] if we're talking about city park city

[1:59:49] facilities applications to me are just

[1:59:51] ridiculous we're investing in ourselves

[1:59:53] we're investing in our community we're

[1:59:55] investing in every single resident in

[1:59:57] this city

[1:59:59] and to say we need an application for a

[2:00:01] city park and to make improvements to

[2:00:04] the city park i just think it's yes

[2:00:07] i wasn't asking i was just asking if we

[2:00:09] need an application for these two parts

[2:00:11] because if the other parts did submit

[2:00:13] application

[2:00:14] we need to go through the same procedure

[2:00:16] as these two and if not then the city

[2:00:19] just need to make a recommendation to

[2:00:21] fund these two parts to us i didn't

[2:00:23] agree with it in the first place for

[2:00:24] city for city projects it's ridiculous i

[2:00:27] mean we're investing

[2:00:28] in our community

[2:00:30] why are we

[2:00:32] if we wanted to have a a application

[2:00:35] process

[2:00:36] then should it set aside some money for

[2:00:39] these prop projects and then whatever

[2:00:43] for city projects to have applications

[2:00:45] for this silliness in my mind

[2:00:50] so how did we

[2:00:52] allocate money to these

[2:00:54] part that we are funding tonight

[2:00:57] they're proposing to fund tonight

[2:01:00] these parts

[2:01:01] i believe

[2:01:03] some of them i think chris just had a

[2:01:05] list

[2:01:06] it was

[2:01:12] you're trying to say like what would the

[2:01:13] scope of work be like what's needed at

[2:01:16] that part

[2:01:17] i believe there was a plan first was my

[2:01:19] first time that was like probably 10

[2:01:21] years old now but they did have a master

[2:01:24] plan i believe some of that stuff was

[2:01:25] accomplished we could go back to that

[2:01:27] and see but i think it would really be

[2:01:28] up to the neighborhood like to

[2:01:30] understand what really the priority is

[2:01:32] for the park i don't know that

[2:01:34] information right now but i do think

[2:01:36] that it's something that the

[2:01:37] neighborhood would know is there

[2:01:38] something that we can have an update

[2:01:40] updated information on that

[2:01:44] let's see

[2:01:47] to see where we stand in terms of

[2:01:58] you know the reason that we excluded

[2:02:00] simon's part from this list was that

[2:02:02] there is i believe still a 125 000

[2:02:06] grand coming to simon's park

[2:02:08] for the preservation and repairs of the

[2:02:11] historic wall and the preservation of

[2:02:14] the path and possibly the extension of

[2:02:16] the path around the pond

[2:02:18] that was the focus for that and with

[2:02:21] that funding we were

[2:02:23] going to just use it as we could and

[2:02:26] also if we needed more since part of it

[2:02:27] was a path i was going to supplement it

[2:02:29] with paving money which usually we have

[2:02:32] enough of on an annual basis however if

[2:02:35] there are other things you know in that

[2:02:38] report that you mentioned it is 10 years

[2:02:40] old there are dog parks there is a

[2:02:42] basketball court that's defunct back

[2:02:44] there in a tennis court but these things

[2:02:46] once again

[2:02:48] have

[2:02:49] no champion i guess that is the best

[2:02:50] term to do it right now you know the

[2:02:52] people who are talking about it is the

[2:02:54] wall it is the path

[2:02:56] and since there hasn't been anyone right

[2:02:59] now talking about the other amenities of

[2:03:01] it

[2:03:02] that they don't have a place on that

[2:03:04] list

[2:03:05] the other facilities have all had people

[2:03:08] ask us for those facilities we've had

[2:03:10] meetings about those facilities and

[2:03:12] because we do not have an organized

[2:03:14] group to discuss parks

[2:03:16] you know it is the loudest voice

[2:03:19] is the one that we hear if there is no

[2:03:21] voice

[2:03:22] there's no advocate for the park right

[2:03:24] now unless there's some need for a

[2:03:26] public safety reason that we have to

[2:03:27] step in

[2:03:28] so we could reach out to

[2:03:31] you know

[2:03:33] the neighborhood and we could it's just

[2:03:36] that way

[2:03:38] this process has evolved we use that to

[2:03:40] use a nice kind word as this process has

[2:03:42] evolved

[2:03:43] and this is a little bit different than

[2:03:45] where we were you know um right now the

[2:03:47] city did make some applications and

[2:03:50] these projects didn't have applications

[2:03:51] we're gonna go with parks that's great

[2:03:53] that's your you know it's your decision

[2:03:55] to make on this

[2:03:56] uh but you know i guess we just have to

[2:03:58] be flexible as we want to be more at

[2:04:00] simon's part

[2:04:01] what is that more i have thoughts i've

[2:04:03] had had some conversations about what

[2:04:05] that more is i'm even nervous to mention

[2:04:07] what that more is at this table because

[2:04:09] it's once again it's just

[2:04:11] do we do we do it i don't i don't know

[2:04:14] but you know usually with the projects

[2:04:17] i've had like uh camille has been very

[2:04:20] much involved in that we did the

[2:04:22] pavilion and we did the community center

[2:04:24] we did the building you know we did the

[2:04:26] bocce and some other things there in the

[2:04:28] memorial you know those were all kind of

[2:04:30] grassroots goose hill things and i did

[2:04:33] not get that for this round

[2:04:36] goose hill recommendation other than

[2:04:37] what we just talked about for the grant

[2:04:40] and then grout park is

[2:04:41] was even quieter i i no one mentioned

[2:04:44] any grout park

[2:04:45] um

[2:04:46] so once again if we do grout park then

[2:04:49] it's

[2:04:50] what are we doing i don't have a number

[2:04:52] i can throw at that because i don't know

[2:04:54] what the scope would be or what the goal

[2:04:55] is in drought park is

[2:04:57] very large

[2:04:58] so the cost could be it could be simple

[2:05:00] as re-establish the grass or it could be

[2:05:02] you know build something there i i don't

[2:05:04] know what we're thinking with graph

[2:05:08] okay i'm sorry sorry mr pauline

[2:05:11] yeah so

[2:05:12] first of all diamonds didn't apply

[2:05:15] because they just thought the

[2:05:16] application process was

[2:05:19] uh secondly there have been asks from

[2:05:22] simon's park maybe you didn't get it but

[2:05:24] um

[2:05:25] there definitely has been that certainly

[2:05:27] the 120 thousand dollar grant

[2:05:30] that um

[2:05:31] assemblyman's that got will go a long

[2:05:33] way to

[2:05:34] doing the wall and in the pathway but

[2:05:37] it's not going to cover the entire

[2:05:38] expense

[2:05:39] there's been asked for

[2:05:41] frisbee golf

[2:05:43] that there's probability to have that

[2:05:45] and even go into caleber park the fixing

[2:05:48] of the basketball courts so there is

[2:05:51] there has been mass

[2:05:54] and i just want to make that clear you

[2:05:55] know maybe you didn't get that i

[2:05:58] totally get it because there's so many

[2:06:00] levels yeah oh but they're there's been

[2:06:02] ass

[2:06:03] and the one thing that i was going to

[2:06:04] say

[2:06:05] is that when we were meeting with county

[2:06:07] representatives of the legislature you

[2:06:10] know it was you know if we had a master

[2:06:12] plan and once again our master plan is

[2:06:14] kind of just what we talk about is that

[2:06:16] if we were to add another splash pad

[2:06:19] anywhere there isn't one on the north

[2:06:21] side of the city i know that you used to

[2:06:23] swim in simon's pond you know eons ago

[2:06:26] but now it okay is that an area that we

[2:06:29] want to introduce that to so then there

[2:06:31] was some desire to try to go to that

[2:06:32] route which was introduce some kind of a

[2:06:35] water feature there so that the north

[2:06:37] end of the city has something because

[2:06:39] you know as we're moving to install them

[2:06:40] that's one area that goose hill that has

[2:06:42] it and it's a large of the city so um

[2:06:45] but

[2:06:46] yeah and just to add to that with

[2:06:48] regards to growth park yes there were

[2:06:49] many years of

[2:06:51] communities been asking for lights

[2:06:53] remove that building see things

[2:06:56] and doing a lot of work i support if you

[2:06:58] can recall they're constantly asking us

[2:07:00] all the time so yes

[2:07:02] they have been asking for a few things

[2:07:04] to do

[2:07:05] so i think we can just revisit those

[2:07:07] things and see where we stand at this

[2:07:09] point

[2:07:13] i recognize that there has been asked

[2:07:14] and i think that that that's the and

[2:07:17] the significance of having an

[2:07:18] application process is that when people

[2:07:21] ask this we push a way for you to ask

[2:07:23] and therefore we can look at it and

[2:07:26] you know review all the information

[2:07:28] and then some of those questions that

[2:07:29] we're trying to answer right now on the

[2:07:31] fly

[2:07:32] go through the process and we can make a

[2:07:34] more informed decision so again i think

[2:07:37] that um

[2:07:38] this right here just is a clear example

[2:07:40] of why

[2:07:41] you know we need to have uh uh

[2:07:44] to honor what was said around um

[2:07:48] a second round of applications and um

[2:07:51] for just these reasons because there are

[2:07:53] people who might have thought the application

[2:07:56] process was

[2:07:58] i don't know exactly

[2:08:02] or for whatever reason maybe they were

[2:08:03] unaware that their need you know what uh

[2:08:09] within the parameters of what this

[2:08:10] funding could do so again

[2:08:13] as far as increasing access to funding

[2:08:16] and

[2:08:17] honoring just basically being who we say

[2:08:18] we are

[2:08:20] i think that that's what you need to do

[2:08:22] can i make one more suggestion

[2:08:24] please guys

[2:08:25] we welcome your suggestion

[2:08:27] i just this is something that the

[2:08:29] finance commissioner said to me years

[2:08:30] ago uh with regards to how the projects

[2:08:34] are lengthy how much time they take

[2:08:36] um

[2:08:37] so capital money capital money is used

[2:08:40] for physical objects things with a

[2:08:42] 10-year useful life so we can use

[2:08:44] capital money to buy chairs to do the

[2:08:46] roads and to do parks as well so capital

[2:08:49] one can be used capital money cannot be

[2:08:51] used for community groups

[2:08:53] okay so i just want to make sure we're

[2:08:55] all understanding that that difference

[2:08:57] here between capital because you're

[2:08:58] talking about how to give out we cannot

[2:09:01] capital and bond money to give out all

[2:09:04] right so

[2:09:05] just understand that part of it the

[2:09:07] second part of it is

[2:09:08] we may want to because this money is

[2:09:11] flexible as far as i know

[2:09:13] since i don't have a plan for simon

[2:09:15] spark and i don't have a plan for a

[2:09:17] grout park

[2:09:18] and those are projects that could be

[2:09:19] used for capital

[2:09:21] we may want to set aside some design

[2:09:23] money which i don't have

[2:09:26] and put together some design money aside

[2:09:28] out of the article which would be you

[2:09:30] know 10 15

[2:09:32] of what we think the total budget would

[2:09:33] be and we design the project next year

[2:09:37] and then

[2:09:38] we maybe use capital to build the

[2:09:40] project

[2:09:41] um because just be

[2:09:43] i don't know what grout park is i don't

[2:09:44] know what the project is so to sit here

[2:09:46] and tell you that it's going to cost 500

[2:09:48] 000

[2:09:49] i have no idea exactly you know the

[2:09:51] projects that we have the best concepts

[2:09:54] of are the ones that we have conceptual

[2:09:56] design and consultants on board and

[2:09:58] we're

[2:10:06] it's just that idea you have to have

[2:10:07] everything all at once you know like we

[2:10:09] talked about some larger projects we

[2:10:11] just got money from craig street craig

[2:10:12] street is such a massive project it is

[2:10:14] going to take us a year to design craig

[2:10:17] street with community involvement and

[2:10:19] getting everything together in the

[2:10:20] permitting process and you know if a

[2:10:22] year from today we're bidding it it's a

[2:10:24] success that's how long it takes so with

[2:10:27] brown park if you guys i don't know what

[2:10:29] crowd park is i don't know what simon's

[2:10:30] park is i don't know what the scopes are

[2:10:32] for some of these projects if we want to

[2:10:33] set aside design money with the

[2:10:35] understanding that

[2:10:37] we may have to use capital money in the

[2:10:39] future

[2:10:40] then that's not a and then you pick what

[2:10:42] you want maybe the project of grout is

[2:10:44] smaller or larger than what you think

[2:10:47] but that gets something going so that we

[2:10:49] can actually have an actual estimate

[2:10:52] that's the following yeah so this is the

[2:10:54] problem with how we did things we didn't

[2:10:56] consider the large picture in a large

[2:10:58] time frame we aren't leveraging our

[2:11:00] money at all we have 120 000 grant for

[2:11:04] diamonds we could use the our phones and

[2:11:09] leverage that into the bigger project

[2:11:12] um granted we don't know what the scope

[2:11:14] is but we don't need to know the scope

[2:11:16] right now we don't need to spend every

[2:11:18] single penny right now we have time

[2:11:21] so get the things in grout park as well

[2:11:25] get them designed figure out the cost

[2:11:28] and said we don't need to spend all the

[2:11:30] money right now that's the silliest

[2:11:32] we're not thinking

[2:11:34] down the road even with sidewalks in

[2:11:36] roads sidewalks will last 30 40 years

[2:11:39] why wouldn't we use one-time money for

[2:11:42] something that's going to set up the

[2:11:43] city for a long-term

[2:11:45] impact

[2:11:47] increasing housing values increasing

[2:11:50] livability

[2:11:51] so

[2:11:53] i mean we don't need to spend the

[2:11:54] remainder of the money right this minute

[2:11:56] we have 9.8 something million left

[2:12:00] let's use it wisely

[2:12:02] i think that's what we're trying to do

[2:12:04] here

[2:12:05] and we're going to end up with more than

[2:12:07] 9.8 million because they're going to be

[2:12:09] adjustment with regards to the staffing

[2:12:13] of course

[2:12:14] let me just make this

[2:12:17] party thank you

[2:12:19] so uh going with chris and the

[2:12:20] applications yes the applications there

[2:12:22] were no applications made by the

[2:12:24] individual parks it was just as chris

[2:12:26] said whoever spoke screamed the loudest

[2:12:28] and since there were no screams from

[2:12:31] groud force diamonds or south park um

[2:12:35] nothing i think kind of in sporting them

[2:12:38] no you know

[2:12:39] no one got any of of of those phones

[2:12:41] again maybe it's just you know some some

[2:12:43] new uh mulch down at south park i get

[2:12:46] you know i love going to these cricket

[2:12:48] games you know they don't like that

[2:12:50] building there how much would it be to

[2:12:51] take that building down like the

[2:12:53] building oh they do it

[2:12:57] but imagine just being there and instead

[2:12:59] of the guys on the field being on the

[2:13:01] second floor calling the games and

[2:13:03] little concessions staying underneath i

[2:13:05] mean it's just

[2:13:06] cricket's huge over there in the park so

[2:13:08] again um yeah so maybe we can get a plan

[2:13:11] together put some money in there to

[2:13:12] budget for for uh you know to see what the parks might need um but again

[2:13:17] there were no specific applications by

[2:13:20] any of these people was just the city

[2:13:22] planning

[2:13:23] department and that was the application

[2:13:25] and again i'm going to reiterate that

[2:13:28] no there's for nine thousand dollars

[2:13:30] plus a little more

[2:13:31] million plus a little more there can't

[2:13:34] be a second round of applications

[2:13:36] um with another again

[2:13:38] how do we how do we we can't take care

[2:13:40] of what we have here in front of us let

[2:13:42] alone another second right so that's

[2:13:44] where i am thank you

[2:13:48] safari

[2:13:52] okay so really so there were so i just want

[2:13:56] to be clear that there were specific

[2:13:58] applications for these projects every

[2:14:00] project that we talked about there's a

[2:14:02] specific application

[2:14:04] um that was connected to that problem

[2:14:05] that's that's a fact that's you know not

[2:14:08] an opinion and

[2:14:09] it's important you know that that we do

[2:14:13] honor the process so we're not in here

[2:14:16] right now saying we don't know if grant

[2:14:18] park is one hundred thousand or five

[2:14:20] hundred thousand or we're not just kind

[2:14:22] of

[2:14:22] taking our best swinging

[2:14:24] into

[2:14:28] all of the money

[2:14:29] right now but what we do need to do

[2:14:32] is to give the people who didn't scream

[2:14:34] for silence or scream for grant park an

[2:14:36] opportunity to scream now and then we

[2:14:38] can say oh and screen i mean by via

[2:14:41] application and we can look at it and

[2:14:42] say oh this is you know

[2:14:45] what the scope of work is this is what

[2:14:47] the cost is and this is how it ranks up

[2:14:48] against all the other applications that

[2:14:50] we consider and that's why i strongly

[2:14:53] suggest that um

[2:14:57] uh correct me if i'm wrong but i believe

[2:14:59] that

[2:15:00] the applications that we made by my

[2:15:02] department for the city we're not

[2:15:03] focused on parks that actually not we did not have

[2:15:06] any formal applications for parks the

[2:15:09] applications at the time was at the

[2:15:11] interpretation

[2:15:14] right was the interpretation at the time

[2:15:15] when we first got the money and i was

[2:15:17] working with anthony was that we wanted

[2:15:19] the money to be focused on very specific

[2:15:21] code related things so city applications

[2:15:25] were centered around ventilation hvac

[2:15:28] improving some of our facilities so that

[2:15:30] they were

[2:15:31] better handling of

[2:15:33] air my air filtration and climate and then as

[2:15:37] we started advancing through this and we

[2:15:38] learned about the you know the

[2:15:40] restrictions or

[2:15:41] less restrictiveness of it it started to

[2:15:44] focus on well you know what we have a

[2:15:46] lot of needs with parks

[2:15:48] but the parks did not get applied it was

[2:15:50] more of a list and the list was more of

[2:15:53] where are our needs right now and how

[2:15:55] can we you know um satisfy the needs so

[2:15:58] we had things so that's what i'm going

[2:16:00] to get is it's just from our knowledge

[2:16:02] of what the needs of the parks were

[2:16:05] there were no people that really came

[2:16:06] out the reason that the tennis was we

[2:16:08] had a meeting with the tennis people but

[2:16:10] it was kind of unrelated to arc but it

[2:16:12] was hey if we're going to once again why

[2:16:14] would i ask you in a month for a capital

[2:16:17] money for a tennis facility if we can

[2:16:20] use parker money for the tennis facility

[2:16:23] so that's i just want to make sure that

[2:16:25] we're clear on that is that and once

[2:16:28] again

[2:16:30] if we pass on certain things right for

[2:16:32] instance we are looking like and

[2:16:34] sounding like that we're going to take a

[2:16:36] pass at something like improving uh

[2:16:39] ventilation at fire station one

[2:16:41] do not be surprised

[2:16:43] that in a couple of weeks when we have

[2:16:45] our budget meeting you will see

[2:16:47] improvement of ventilation for fire

[2:16:49] station one because that is a baseline

[2:16:52] need of the city the system is

[2:16:55] antiquated it's original to the building

[2:16:57] it needs to be upgraded

[2:16:58] so that's why i just want to make sure

[2:17:00] we're clear um you know that's why i'm

[2:17:02] really trying to stress to everybody at

[2:17:03] the table the whole capital

[2:17:05] non-capital thing is because just

[2:17:07] because it doesn't get approved doesn't

[2:17:09] mean you're not going to see it later

[2:17:11] and you're going to be paying for it out

[2:17:14] of it you know it's going to be a whole

[2:17:15] thing you're going to be paying for that

[2:17:19] right

[2:17:20] my point and i agree my point is that if

[2:17:23] i'm understanding this correctly is that

[2:17:25] capital funds

[2:17:26] can be used to

[2:17:30] for to to improve a park

[2:17:32] right right

[2:17:34] capital funds cannot be used to

[2:17:37] allocate to a community agency that's

[2:17:39] doing work in the community correct so

[2:17:42] okay so with the limited

[2:17:44] uh

[2:17:44] ability for uh

[2:17:47] capital funds

[2:17:49] i think that we would definitely want to

[2:17:52] make sure

[2:17:53] that if there's funds that we can use to

[2:17:58] uh

[2:17:59] redo our parks and do um some of the

[2:18:03] projects that fall within the parameters

[2:18:05] background funds

[2:18:06] then we i think it'd be wise for us to keep that in mind as we're looking at

[2:18:11] this uh remainder amount of opera funds

[2:18:14] which can be used to do other things and

[2:18:17] can be used to fund some of the uh

[2:18:19] community and local nonprofits that are

[2:18:21] doing the important work that was

[2:18:23] directly related to the pandemic so

[2:18:26] it seems like one pot is uh

[2:18:29] a little more flexible flexible than

[2:18:31] other and i think that we need to keep

[2:18:32] that in mind as we talk about

[2:18:35] and which i think is reason why it's

[2:18:37] important that we do a second

[2:18:39] applications

[2:18:43] good

[2:18:44] so my final topic he said you're all of

[2:18:48] our opinions i think the biggest

[2:18:49] difference between a good idea and a

[2:18:51] good proposal is the additional work

[2:18:53] that's done and that i think needs to be

[2:18:56] addressed no one is saying that there

[2:18:58] aren't other facets of the community

[2:19:00] that consider access to this money i

[2:19:02] think the biggest issue and for me as a

[2:19:05] red flag is that our playing and

[2:19:06] development engineering office doesn't

[2:19:08] understand the full scope of the needs i

[2:19:10] think although we are pausing and

[2:19:14] putting in place a hold on certain

[2:19:16] aspects of the park's money

[2:19:18] unless we have a a a

[2:19:21] somewhat grasp

[2:19:23] we can't hold the money forever which

[2:19:24] has been the narrative that

[2:19:26] many of the council members have made

[2:19:29] so i think

[2:19:30] as the the tone of having a second round

[2:19:34] it's learning from the process initially

[2:19:36] learning and adapting

[2:19:38] i myself was a huge proponent of having

[2:19:40] a second round and by definition

[2:19:42] any application or any future

[2:19:44] considerations for the harp of money

[2:19:46] outside of the deadline that we

[2:19:48] established

[2:19:49] is a variant of a second round whether

[2:19:51] we want to call it that or not it is an

[2:19:53] additional consideration naturally that

[2:19:56] is a point because we have a start date

[2:19:58] and an ending for the deadline so

[2:19:59] anything after is different

[2:20:04] we knew from the beginning that we

[2:20:06] received far too many applications

[2:20:09] that was not an active thought and it was letting

[2:20:12] the community know that

[2:20:14] everything would not be considered i

[2:20:16] think it'd be different if we told

[2:20:17] everyone it is not if you're going to

[2:20:19] receive funding it's wind then we are

[2:20:21] facing a different situation but that's

[2:20:23] not the narrative that was ever

[2:20:26] presented to the community it was

[2:20:28] present your ideas we will have an

[2:20:30] advisory committee to support

[2:20:32] our use for the money

[2:20:35] it was always an advisory would assist

[2:20:37] us but the full

[2:20:39] reasoning or the full allocation of

[2:20:40] funds would rest with our council

[2:20:43] so i think there is no issue with

[2:20:44] although the pot of money is

[2:20:46] substantially lesser than we anticipated

[2:20:50] nine million is still nine million

[2:20:51] dollars

[2:20:52] and that is a large amount of money and

[2:20:54] i think regardless of whether someone

[2:20:56] submits a project for 9.1 million

[2:20:58] dollars i think allowing the community

[2:21:00] to continue to interject on this process

[2:21:03] is a form of transparency that i will

[2:21:05] always

[2:21:06] bolster

[2:21:08] i know every city project

[2:21:10] just listening to these conversations

[2:21:12] didn't submit a formal application i

[2:21:14] think it is a poor narrative to send to

[2:21:16] the community there are two standards

[2:21:20] that we are going to employ

[2:21:21] see is not to abide by this but trust

[2:21:23] that we're doing the good work and the

[2:21:25] community need to do this think that

[2:21:27] that's not the right move

[2:21:30] go ahead please yeah the application

[2:21:32] doesn't mean transparency

[2:21:35] the transparency is the discussion at

[2:21:37] this at this table

[2:21:39] and moving things forward and discussing

[2:21:41] it appropriately

[2:21:43] an application doesn't mean

[2:21:45] much of anything other than there's a

[2:21:47] group of people

[2:21:48] who cared about something took time and

[2:21:50] put effort into that flying board

[2:21:52] but to sit there and say that there's

[2:21:55] city stuff

[2:21:57] that needs to be addressed

[2:22:00] but

[2:22:02] we have to apply

[2:22:03] as city employees for this money

[2:22:07] when we're addressing a community need

[2:22:11] is observed

[2:22:12] period

[2:22:14] and

[2:22:15] to your point about the capital money

[2:22:17] yeah capital is

[2:22:19] not as flexible

[2:22:20] but capital has to be paid back with

[2:22:22] interest there's also

[2:22:24] a

[2:22:26] bond limit

[2:22:27] so we can only bond so much

[2:22:30] so we have real issues in regards to

[2:22:33] that in terms of taxation

[2:22:37] and how we leverage our money

[2:22:39] and that hasn't been considered at all

[2:22:42] not one single iota

[2:22:50] so

[2:22:51] i i

[2:22:53] didn't think i need to make this point

[2:22:55] but apparently i do

[2:22:56] i'm i'm pretty sure everyone if you're

[2:22:59] if anyone is if this shouldn't be lost

[2:23:01] on anyone but the city could use more

[2:23:03] money right like that's

[2:23:06] we there's there's a huge need and we

[2:23:09] and and if someone else wanted to say

[2:23:11] here's schenectady take another 50

[2:23:13] million dollars in funds none of us are

[2:23:14] going to turn that away right like so

[2:23:16] there's there's calculations and

[2:23:18] decisions that have to be made um at

[2:23:20] every point what i'm saying is that if

[2:23:22] there is capital money

[2:23:25] that some of the projects that we're

[2:23:27] bringing forth can be paid for by that

[2:23:29] capital money then we need to consider

[2:23:30] that when we talk about um

[2:23:33] what this opera money is for so

[2:23:36] of course

[2:23:37] there's there's a

[2:23:38] greater need

[2:23:40] than there is resources

[2:23:42] um

[2:23:43] that's why

[2:23:45] we are in the seats we're in to make

[2:23:47] these calculations and make these

[2:23:49] decisions based on community input and

[2:23:52] community of engagement

[2:23:55] we were really clear with the community

[2:23:57] that we were not going to make these

[2:23:59] decisions for them we're going to make

[2:24:00] these decisions with them

[2:24:02] so and we give people another

[2:24:05] opportunity

[2:24:06] to advocate for projects and things that

[2:24:09] they think are important in the

[2:24:10] community i think that we are always

[2:24:12] going to be a better more participatory

[2:24:14] government by doing so why would

[2:24:16] knowledge

[2:24:20] i don't know why is because we could

[2:24:21] have leveraged the money and we could

[2:24:23] have leveraged it with the bond money

[2:24:25] and grant money and think about this

[2:24:27] thing we could have gotten a lot more

[2:24:29] projects done than we actually did

[2:24:31] that's why

[2:24:32] so

[2:24:35] okay

[2:24:36] right and

[2:24:38] i don't recall throughout this process

[2:24:41] and i think that it's very

[2:24:43] you know

[2:24:44] it's interesting that we're here now

[2:24:48] and

[2:24:49] now we're introducing you know these

[2:24:52] great

[2:24:53] ideas which

[2:24:55] i think we've been really welcoming to

[2:24:57] say like

[2:24:58] jump in the water's warm here if you

[2:25:00] have ideas on how we can leverage money

[2:25:02] and do this absolutely and that's been

[2:25:04] said from day one

[2:25:07] all right please let's have a go ahead

[2:25:12] so

[2:25:13] my point is this is that

[2:25:16] we need to listen to our community

[2:25:19] this art of money is here for a reason a

[2:25:21] very a specific reason

[2:25:23] that we need to listen to our community

[2:25:25] and make sure that their voices are

[2:25:27] heard and we're not just going to be

[2:25:28] making our decisions in a silo around

[2:25:31] what we think is best for them we don't

[2:25:34] need to do that we need to allow access

[2:25:37] increase access and opportunity to

[2:25:39] participate in this process and that's

[2:25:41] what we need to continue to do when you

[2:25:42] do that with another application process

[2:25:44] and several initiatives that's my

[2:25:46] investment

[2:25:48] um but i don't need to deadpool so you

[2:25:50] know okay we can definitely talk

[2:25:52] afterwards

[2:25:53] mr wallin you mentioned uh with regards

[2:25:55] to the firehouse uh renovation

[2:25:58] i'm looking at amazon mccarthy proposal

[2:26:01] you don't have it on here as

[2:26:03] an infrastructure project could there be

[2:26:06] reason why um we're waiting on the

[2:26:08] infrastructure money additional

[2:26:09] infrastructure money coming in and then

[2:26:12] we assign someone here

[2:26:14] i know you can't speak to them

[2:26:21] that is not on this proposal but there

[2:26:23] could be reason why it's not on this

[2:26:24] proposal

[2:26:25] that maybe it's going to be funded and

[2:26:27] true i

[2:26:28] think that the mayor's office uh and

[2:26:30] kristen i don't know if you were working

[2:26:32] without but it was the mayor's office

[2:26:34] that we decided to uh look at parks and

[2:26:36] not uh city facilities and there was so

[2:26:39] i don't believe there were any city

[2:26:40] facilities on the list

[2:26:42] originally when it was submitted so that

[2:26:44] i just wanted to talk

[2:26:47] yeah well the whole reason was i just

[2:26:48] wanted to make sure that was required

[2:26:50] when he was talking about applications

[2:26:51] was the applications that were made back

[2:26:54] to mr williams point in january or when

[2:26:57] we made those applications

[2:26:58] um

[2:26:59] they kind of got stale and then the idea

[2:27:02] was that we learned more about the money

[2:27:04] we changed to this park idea but we did

[2:27:07] not make applications that's why i just

[2:27:08] wanted to make sure we're all that if

[2:27:10] you went that's that's kind of the

[2:27:12] reason that we're struggling with the

[2:27:14] whole you know what is it what are we

[2:27:16] doing we know we have needs we're trying

[2:27:18] to fill those needs but we didn't get on

[2:27:20] every one of these a detailed uh scope

[2:27:23] or application it's just where we know

[2:27:25] that we have a need and i'm thinking

[2:27:27] maybe there's a reason why

[2:27:29] infrastructure was not

[2:27:30] placed on the main proposal

[2:27:33] later on for consideration when we

[2:27:35] received the construction

[2:27:41] i don't want you guys

[2:27:43] the consul sorry not you guys the

[2:27:44] council to talk about these items and allocate this money and then have me

[2:27:50] come back at a later date after the

[2:27:52] allocation and say

[2:27:54] wait a minute what are we doing

[2:27:56] you know i just i don't want i don't

[2:27:58] want that to be because that's going to

[2:27:59] reflect on me and i don't want that to

[2:28:01] reflect on me because i'm going to be

[2:28:02] the one bringing the capital budget with

[2:28:04] mr ferrari

[2:28:08] so the first round of funding we were

[2:28:09] getting to that show was 26 million or

[2:28:12] whatever so then we put out the

[2:28:13] applications did we do wrong by going

[2:28:16] over that 26 million with these first

[2:28:19] round applications before the second

[2:28:22] round of funding even came in

[2:28:33] so just to be clear um our first round

[2:28:36] of applications was not the entire 26

[2:28:38] million because there was already um

[2:28:40] allocations from from the city

[2:28:43] um there was already money that was um

[2:28:44] taken from the city in the amount of 16

[2:28:46] million so when the first round of

[2:28:49] applications went out it was closer to

[2:28:50] 11 million dollars

[2:28:52] okay so it wasn't

[2:28:54] 26. and so

[2:28:56] uh if you're asking which should we have

[2:28:58] waited for all the money um the

[2:28:59] application process was something that

[2:29:01] was part of the mayor's tour and

[2:29:03] application process and that was the

[2:29:04] decision that was made how that was not

[2:29:06] our decision to to make so should we

[2:29:08] await her to i like at this point i'm

[2:29:10] just wondering if the first round of

[2:29:12] funding was only 11 million

[2:29:14] we got a request for 76 million so if

[2:29:16] we're doing a second round of funding

[2:29:18] which i'm not in favor of have we

[2:29:20] already spent part of that funding

[2:29:22] yeah for the second year

[2:29:24] so you're saying yeah you're not in

[2:29:26] favor of doing a second round of funding

[2:29:28] no i'm not in round of a a second well

[2:29:31] application application process

[2:29:34] but again i mean did we overspend

[2:29:36] already before putting out was it not

[2:29:39] fair putting out the first round of

[2:29:40] funding applications for the first

[2:29:43] funding of the article money

[2:29:45] and then the second

[2:29:47] round of applications for the second

[2:29:49] round of funding for the 26 million

[2:29:52] just

[2:29:53] you know when we only have nine million

[2:29:55] plus a little more left to spend 11

[2:29:57] million

[2:29:58] just say

[2:29:59] just putting that we don't know

[2:30:04] so it was

[2:30:07] again

[2:30:09] there's still applications here

[2:30:11] you know

[2:30:12] that

[2:30:13] just because maybe

[2:30:15] none of us are advocating for those

[2:30:17] doesn't mean they don't deserve it

[2:30:20] i'm just putting that out there i guess

[2:30:22] there's always going to be a need for

[2:30:24] someone else

[2:30:30] always ahead so how do we suggest how do

[2:30:33] we address

[2:30:35] the

[2:30:36] you know the indication the implication

[2:30:38] that we were going to do a second round

[2:30:39] i think that we need to in some way

[2:30:41] address that

[2:30:42] and not to prove it hanging out there

[2:30:44] by what i said all right

[2:30:47] first of all the invitation was only

[2:30:48] made by a few members of the council

[2:30:51] it wasn't the entire council and the

[2:30:53] mayor okay well the math whatever it

[2:30:56] still wasn't the entire council

[2:30:59] so we can say we implied it no we didn't

[2:31:02] certain members applied it and there was

[2:31:05] nothing ever finally finally decided

[2:31:08] so we can decide now because

[2:31:11] people in the community have that i can

[2:31:14] tell you i'm sure you oh i can't say i'm

[2:31:15] sure you've heard it because i don't

[2:31:16] know what you've heard but i know that i

[2:31:18] for a fact have heard it as recently as

[2:31:20] this weekend

[2:31:22] so and um it's been reported in the

[2:31:24] newspaper that there will be a second

[2:31:25] round so it's not like

[2:31:28] uh an idea that just came up today

[2:31:33] well of course there's gonna be the

[2:31:34] thought that there's because you've been

[2:31:36] going around saying there's gonna be a

[2:31:37] second one you put it in the newspaper

[2:31:39] there's gonna be a second one so of

[2:31:41] course people are going to have that

[2:31:43] understanding but that was not a kind of

[2:31:46] decision

[2:31:47] oh just to be clear i did not predict my

[2:31:49] newspaper

[2:31:51] [Music]

[2:31:53] i think while we

[2:31:54] i'm trying to recall when we discussed

[2:31:56] this mccarthy was and i'm not going to

[2:31:58] speak to him

[2:32:00] he was more in favor of yes he can you

[2:32:02] know have his staff open up for around

[2:32:05] entertaining

[2:32:07] application or other projects i mean

[2:32:10] i've heard good argument from both side

[2:32:12] here tonight and

[2:32:14] i mean everybody has valid problems in

[2:32:17] terms of opening up not opening up

[2:32:19] i mean

[2:32:21] i'm on the fence

[2:32:22] i need some more time to process in

[2:32:24] terms of

[2:32:26] what should we do really

[2:32:28] how many more people how many more

[2:32:30] organizations are out there that needs

[2:32:31] to submit an application

[2:32:34] how many organizations miss the deadline

[2:32:38] and what can we do as a council to

[2:32:40] accommodate the ones that are out there

[2:32:43] and can we do some things you know the

[2:32:45] council

[2:32:46] to accommodate these organizations

[2:32:49] that would like to submit an application

[2:32:53] whoever missed the application he needs

[2:32:55] to revise the application and things

[2:32:56] like that

[2:32:57] but right now i am not in a position to

[2:32:59] make a determination i decide

[2:33:03] i think i need to sit on it for two more

[2:33:05] weeks and come up with

[2:33:07] a support

[2:33:09] for our games

[2:33:10] in terms of where we open or we don't

[2:33:12] open or we reach out to our organization

[2:33:14] to summon the application we reach out

[2:33:17] to the department of development or come

[2:33:18] up with an estimated or engineering

[2:33:21] department on the parts the additional

[2:33:23] parts that we need to fund

[2:33:25] should we

[2:33:26] get money there to resign fees and have

[2:33:29] it years up there and you know

[2:33:31] things of that we need to process i

[2:33:33] don't think i don't recommend that we

[2:33:36] push forward tonight on this i think we

[2:33:38] need to sit on it and let's come back in

[2:33:40] two weeks time

[2:33:42] they always room for us

[2:33:44] time is

[2:33:46] we're not behind on time time is um good

[2:33:49] on timing

[2:33:50] we're moving ahead rapidly here in terms

[2:33:52] of allocating this funding

[2:33:54] and i think we just need to stick with

[2:33:55] that

[2:34:02] and i don't think you should shoulder

[2:34:04] the weight of investing more time

[2:34:06] because i would advocate that we wait to

[2:34:09] have this discussion with ms patrick

[2:34:10] here um so i think this is a decision

[2:34:12] that would affect all of us equally as

[2:34:14] we continue through our tenures

[2:34:17] for better or worse i i yield to the

[2:34:19] fact mr palmini that you have more of an

[2:34:22] economics expertise than i have

[2:34:23] comparative advantage i do not know that

[2:34:26] or advocate in that realm

[2:34:28] i just know that if we are truly to

[2:34:31] learn from this first rendition

[2:34:34] the only way that we're going to truly

[2:34:35] make sure all of skype is advocating for

[2:34:38] it or is being advocated for is working

[2:34:40] together so if you have a recommendation

[2:34:43] for how to adjust our policy for me

[2:34:46] personally that incorporates

[2:34:49] having a variant of a second round i'm

[2:34:51] absolutely wrong

[2:34:54] and i've said from day one to use look

[2:34:56] at the grant and the bonding in the

[2:34:58] borrowing money from day one i've said

[2:35:01] that

[2:35:02] yeah i i'm just going to go back i mean

[2:35:04] the last rounds we did allocate you know

[2:35:06] simple project and a lot of divorce

[2:35:08] project and this runs here

[2:35:11] based on what we are proposing here 11.4

[2:35:14] million almost 11.4 million dollars it's

[2:35:17] a lot of diverse projects across the

[2:35:18] board parks neighborhood association you

[2:35:21] know

[2:35:22] community organization

[2:35:24] i think we are moving the right

[2:35:26] direction let's you know let's discuss

[2:35:29] bring it to the tables

[2:35:31] and let's continue to have these

[2:35:32] meaningful discussions as we move

[2:35:34] forward

[2:35:35] i just i just want all my colleagues to

[2:35:37] be prepared to answer to the voices of

[2:35:39] the community

[2:35:40] who um

[2:35:42] or under the expectation that

[2:35:45] they would have an opportunity um to

[2:35:48] apply

[2:35:49] uh

[2:35:50] for this funding and

[2:35:53] i

[2:35:55] respectfully um

[2:35:57] disagree with with the waiting

[2:36:00] um i think that

[2:36:01] a lot of the criticism that we've been

[2:36:04] receiving and

[2:36:06] has been around the timeline the things

[2:36:09] have been going i think that you know

[2:36:11] we have an obligation to

[2:36:14] listen to the community and more

[2:36:16] community feedback and more i'm

[2:36:19] presenting more opportunities to our

[2:36:20] community is never a bad thing and i and

[2:36:23] i

[2:36:24] strongly uh suggest that we listen to

[2:36:27] those voices

[2:36:30] go ahead please so um so i am in favor

[2:36:33] of us doing some variant of the second

[2:36:35] round as we have continually discussed

[2:36:41] as i said before i'm not asking for

[2:36:43] there to be an advisory committee again

[2:36:45] although let me just also say that i

[2:36:48] a member of the advisory committee did

[2:36:50] um call me and we didn't have to have a

[2:36:52] meeting until they gave some feedback

[2:36:54] saying it wasn't it wasn't a bad idea we

[2:36:56] just needed to do some things

[2:36:57] differently we don't have time for that

[2:36:59] i'm not asking for that but however i

[2:37:01] think i believe that we should have some

[2:37:04] variant of the second round it may not

[2:37:06] need to be exactly like the first round

[2:37:08] but we've discussed it and there are

[2:37:11] projects out there that um

[2:37:13] community projects that has already been

[2:37:15] said can't be funded by other things

[2:37:17] that we should be able to give

[2:37:18] consideration to and perhaps there won't

[2:37:21] be as many as we think we don't know

[2:37:24] but i do think the opportunity should be

[2:37:26] provided so

[2:37:27] i would say that and i also i think that

[2:37:29] we you know we um recommended some good

[2:37:32] projects for funding uh

[2:37:35] almost everyone here i believe has input

[2:37:37] into that so i think that that part is

[2:37:39] good however i also think that we should

[2:37:42] extend a little further and do that

[2:37:43] second round which has been talked about

[2:37:46] in in various ways

[2:37:52] okay so i recommend that we have it back

[2:37:54] after the discussion next cycle if you

[2:37:56] don't please continue to have this on

[2:37:58] the agenda

[2:37:59] add

[2:38:00] a separate discussion also

[2:38:02] in terms of reopening or not reopening

[2:38:05] the

[2:38:06] this application process as a separate

[2:38:07] item if you don't mind miss porterfield

[2:38:10] it's putting on the intelligence

[2:38:12] coming away from their

[2:38:14] location okay

[2:38:15] that's two separate things okay

[2:38:19] so i think we're going to move forward

[2:38:20] with allocating 11 million 383 857 this

[2:38:25] evening and i will just ask mr colding

[2:38:27] to just give go through a summary of

[2:38:29] what he has

[2:38:30] there

[2:38:31] and we can all if we are any arrow we

[2:38:34] can always um make adjustments whatever

[2:38:37] it was when i go through this um it's

[2:38:38] gonna be the appropriations and then

[2:38:40] entering into particular contracts and

[2:38:42] if there are contingencies on some of

[2:38:43] these contracts

[2:38:45] um let me know right so i know that

[2:38:48] there's one obviously

[2:38:49] when i get to the stock gate association

[2:38:51] would they have to have raised 750 000

[2:38:54] to match

[2:38:55] um i don't know if there are others on

[2:38:57] other projects but let me go through it

[2:38:59] first okay

[2:39:00] so um to appropriate the following funds

[2:39:03] uh hillhurst park five hundred thousand

[2:39:05] dollars hillhurst pool 250 thousand

[2:39:08] dollars the a diamond project five

[2:39:09] hundred thousand dollars

[2:39:11] central park tennis courts five hundred

[2:39:13] thousand dollars riverside um park

[2:39:16] courts two hundred and fifty thousand

[2:39:18] dollars uh jerry burrell uh five hundred

[2:39:21] thousand dollars uh the central park

[2:39:23] general site improvements adding one

[2:39:25] million dollars to what's been uh

[2:39:27] already appropriated

[2:39:29] bcni

[2:39:31] um

[2:39:32] 1.75 million dollars total of which

[2:39:37] dollars for 250.000 prevention five

[2:39:39] hundred thousand dollars for infill one

[2:39:41] million dollars for repair and rehab and

[2:39:43] we can go over contingencies at the end

[2:39:45] for those okay that makes sense yeah

[2:39:47] okay uh city hall hbac

[2:39:51] uh 352 000. electric city co-op 1

[2:39:54] million dollars hamilton hill art center

[2:39:57] 1.2 million dollars coco house 500 000

[2:40:01] boys and girls club 331 408 dollars ywca

[2:40:07] for critical needs three hundred and

[2:40:08] sixty four thousand four hundred and

[2:40:10] forty nine dollars

[2:40:11] uh seven hundred and fifty thousand

[2:40:13] dollars to ywca for harbor house

[2:40:17] um 76 000

[2:40:22] kiwanis uh 10 000.

[2:40:25] uh stockade association for

[2:40:28] the pump station 750 000

[2:40:31] habitat for humanity 500 000. scap

[2:40:35] 100 thousand dollars

[2:40:37] that's the question i have for scap i

[2:40:38] know they had more than one project in

[2:40:40] here uh which project would that be

[2:40:43] what's that for scap they have two

[2:40:45] applications one is for the cove the

[2:40:47] homeless club in 19 support the other

[2:40:49] one was for their campus project no the

[2:40:51] homeless

[2:40:52] okay for the homeless covent okay

[2:40:55] thank you

[2:40:57] uh bethesda house uh two hundred

[2:40:59] thousand dollars for cara house

[2:41:02] so that is

[2:41:03] all the appropriations for the contracts

[2:41:07] it will be

[2:41:08] a contract with

[2:41:11] bcni

[2:41:12] or three separate contracts depending on

[2:41:14] how it will be done

[2:41:16] out of the particular department the

[2:41:18] question i have for that 1.75 million

[2:41:20] dollars uh are there any contingencies

[2:41:23] associated with those three projects

[2:41:25] yes

[2:41:27] the 500 000 there's a contingency miss

[2:41:30] porterfield the intel projectile project

[2:41:33] you're calling for a community benefits

[2:41:35] agreement yes

[2:41:36] can you please elaborate

[2:41:38] for actually

[2:41:40] for

[2:41:41] any work that they're going to be doing

[2:41:43] and using um

[2:41:45] you know people to do the rehab so my

[2:41:47] ask is for their film to work with ron

[2:41:50] to come up with a community benefits

[2:41:52] agreement to make sure that people from

[2:41:54] the city um and from his program

[2:41:56] specifically as well are um

[2:42:00] people that work on that project are

[2:42:01] able to work

[2:42:05] is there any funding

[2:42:06] contingency associated with that

[2:42:09] so um

[2:42:10] actually i'm glad you brought this up

[2:42:11] because this is this money is actually

[2:42:13] money that they would be using to

[2:42:14] leverage

[2:42:16] and so um us doing this would leverage

[2:42:18] money from the state so this is one

[2:42:20] group that is doing lots of leverage

[2:42:22] with the money that they're getting so

[2:42:24] um

[2:42:26] we could put it in there i don't

[2:42:28] anticipate they're going to have a

[2:42:29] problem with that but it's up to if

[2:42:31] everyone thinks that we need that but i

[2:42:33] don't anticipate that um being an issue

[2:42:35] because again this is really to leverage

[2:42:37] other money

[2:42:38] um for the state

[2:42:40] the contract obviously can speak to that

[2:42:42] right that we're going to give them 500

[2:42:44] 000

[2:42:45] but they're going to have to you know we

[2:42:46] have a contract with them we're not

[2:42:48] going to get the money like that right

[2:42:49] they have to have the other funds in

[2:42:51] place right

[2:42:55] okay um

[2:42:58] so that was bcni the three projects

[2:43:01] um electric city co-op was a million

[2:43:03] dollars um

[2:43:05] are there any contingencies associated

[2:43:07] with that

[2:43:09] i mean i think i think they are also

[2:43:10] seeking additional funding so i think we

[2:43:12] should attach a contingency that um

[2:43:16] similar to the one that we use

[2:43:20] that cycle

[2:43:21] okay and

[2:43:23] is there a dollar amount contingency do

[2:43:24] they have to raise i mean this is

[2:43:26] a question unless you just want to

[2:43:28] authorize the contract and let the

[2:43:30] departments handle it

[2:43:31] i don't know what funding they're trying

[2:43:33] to raise and i just want to speak to it

[2:43:35] if the council wants me to speak to it

[2:43:37] when i draft a resolution right i think

[2:43:39] that we we have to speak in terms of the

[2:43:41] project value

[2:43:44] okay that does it for the total project

[2:43:46] value that they're asking they're asking

[2:43:48] what they state

[2:43:55] okay thank you um

[2:43:58] hamilton hill art center was 1.2 million

[2:44:00] dollars any contingencies associated

[2:44:02] with that project

[2:44:05] was that their toll uh was that for the

[2:44:07] total project was that well what i have

[2:44:09] here is different than i think what they

[2:44:12] may have provided in a revised

[2:44:14] so i think they asked for 1.7 on here

[2:44:17] yes but we've always proposed we didn't

[2:44:19] get cut okay if we're funding them in

[2:44:21] full then

[2:44:22] there's no i don't know if there's

[2:44:23] additional funding for the project i

[2:44:24] can't speak to that i see that

[2:44:27] um

[2:44:29] we did have the budget and as i recall

[2:44:31] in the budget they had already had um

[2:44:33] other things covered so if we wanted to

[2:44:35] if we put the contingency it can't hurt

[2:44:37] because they already um

[2:44:39] i was going to say that just for clarity

[2:44:40] and just be on the safe side just put

[2:44:42] that in there that uh

[2:44:43] additional funding

[2:44:59] um

[2:45:03] i don't know if there's a contingency

[2:45:04] associated with that um let's look at

[2:45:06] this and see what's the value

[2:45:09] expansion to hamilton hill learning

[2:45:10] center the requested amount was 1.3

[2:45:14] the project cost was 4.1 according to

[2:45:17] your documents i think that we should

[2:45:19] have that also there for this project

[2:45:22] contingency upon showing proof that

[2:45:25] additional funding

[2:45:28] uh boys and girls club i believe that

[2:45:30] was being funded in full yes that's

[2:45:32] correct ywca

[2:45:34] um

[2:45:35] the critical needs i think that was just

[2:45:37] a covers programming for them

[2:45:40] the harbor house was 750 thousand

[2:45:42] dollars i don't know

[2:45:44] we need to attach a contingency on this

[2:45:46] was it that wasn't the full amount how

[2:45:47] much i don't know i don't think so it's

[2:45:49] 1.5 1.5 yeah so we need to attach the

[2:45:52] same contingency

[2:45:54] proof of additional funding needed

[2:45:58] proctors was the full amount kiwanis was

[2:46:00] the full amount stockade we already

[2:46:02] discussed which will be covering

[2:46:04] the additional funding habitat was 500

[2:46:08] 000

[2:46:08] um i know this for project by project i

[2:46:12] don't know if there's a contingency that

[2:46:14] the council is looking for on that

[2:46:16] i don't think for that one because it is

[2:46:18] project by project

[2:46:19] only asking right no no i understand

[2:46:21] yeah uh scout for the homeless program

[2:46:24] the funding goes directly to the program

[2:46:26] obviously if the council wants

[2:46:28] additional funding for that

[2:46:30] sorry vcna

[2:46:31] we're using the money that we are

[2:46:33] allocating proposal here tonight for the

[2:46:35] leverages towards applying for money to

[2:46:38] the state right

[2:46:39] so

[2:46:40] i don't want to say this but if things

[2:46:42] doesn't go

[2:46:43] in the right way

[2:46:44] should we put a contingency in there

[2:46:46] that the allocation will be based upon

[2:46:48] receiving additional making sure

[2:46:55] 100 000 for their homeless program

[2:46:57] um i assume that there's no contingency

[2:46:59] on that

[2:47:01] okay that's just for the program right

[2:47:03] and then bethesda house for cara or

[2:47:05] bethesda for cara house with 200 000 um

[2:47:08] i imagine that this goes to the

[2:47:10] programming costs and that's already in

[2:47:11] place so i have is cara house no no cara

[2:47:15] house for supportive housing yeah their

[2:47:18] ask was 8.5 8.5 and million

[2:47:22] i think

[2:47:24] okay i don't have the

[2:47:27] column header here

[2:47:30] yes

[2:47:32] 8.5 and the proposal was 400 thousand

[2:47:35] for an application so that's 400 000.

[2:47:39] i think we need to do this also here too

[2:47:42] okay

[2:47:43] kara's house what about cara's house

[2:47:47] okay

[2:47:48] um so i'm left with all the the

[2:47:51] council's authorizing all the contracts

[2:47:52] that i mentioned with contingencies for

[2:47:54] the stockade association contract where

[2:47:57] they have to come up with the additional

[2:47:58] funding

[2:47:59] to match the project cost bcni for the

[2:48:01] infill project

[2:48:04] a cba

[2:48:06] and also

[2:48:07] funding

[2:48:08] contingency

[2:48:10] electric city co-op funding contingency

[2:48:13] hamilton hill arts center funding

[2:48:14] contingency cocoa house

[2:48:16] funding contingency ywca

[2:48:19] for harbor house funding contingency

[2:48:21] bethesda house for care house funding

[2:48:24] contingency that's what i have

[2:48:29] yeah i know we touched on this but i

[2:48:30] just wanted to bring it back on table

[2:48:32] should we put a timeline on this maybe

[2:48:34] like 12 months

[2:48:36] i think we should because we don't want

[2:48:38] to open the end on this i mean we can

[2:48:40] always come back to the table on us to

[2:48:41] review

[2:48:42] and amend the

[2:48:44] resolution to give them additional time

[2:48:46] but at the same time we should

[2:48:48] lock them in to let them go you know

[2:48:50] aggressively towards seeking additional

[2:48:52] funding i say that mystia is gone but mr

[2:48:55] gray is still here so we could ask him

[2:48:57] on that

[2:48:59] about

[2:49:00] uh

[2:49:02] yeah i would say you know i would say

[2:49:07] and we have to let it pass where we

[2:49:11] come before us where we review and we

[2:49:13] extend it for additional time so i think

[2:49:15] we need to do that i will give this

[2:49:17] agency more you know a push to go there

[2:49:20] aggressively

[2:49:21] seek funding seek out organization to

[2:49:23] help them fund these projects that's to

[2:49:25] meet the contingencies

[2:49:29] 12 months from the date of execution

[2:49:36] so

[2:49:37] just to wrap that up so tonight we are

[2:49:39] getting 11 383 857 and that will take us

[2:49:42] towards

[2:49:44] a total of 42.0805.97

[2:49:46] [Music]

[2:49:50] go ahead so we're talking about

[2:49:51] timelines is there any way to

[2:49:52] incorporate that in the previous

[2:49:54] projects or did we already like i think

[2:49:56] we did that at 12th of december one

[2:50:00] agency on december 31st

[2:50:03] and

[2:50:04] there was one contingency that i

[2:50:06] mistaken or two

[2:50:08] yeah there was one for um

[2:50:11] america and craig if you guys can help

[2:50:12] me out today

[2:50:14] give them

[2:50:15] to come

[2:50:17] to seek

[2:50:18] water agency support from other agencies

[2:50:21] yes and the aquatic center

[2:50:24] of course tour diversity somewhere

[2:50:27] so we were more aggressive towards the

[2:50:28] aquatic center

[2:50:31] so happily because my i just want to be

[2:50:32] clear that uh

[2:50:34] in that meeting um i was

[2:50:37] against putting any extra contingencies

[2:50:40] upon if we're going to have

[2:50:41] contingencies then we need to be

[2:50:42] consistent with our contingencies across

[2:50:44] the board um and we need to recognize

[2:50:46] that um people's capacity to

[2:50:50] complete their projects and so i just

[2:50:52] don't want us to be putting extra

[2:50:54] contingency upon smaller

[2:50:57] grassroots organizations if we don't

[2:50:59] have the same expectation for everyone

[2:51:00] else

[2:51:01] i think that's what we're doing we are

[2:51:03] attaching contingency on any project

[2:51:05] that is seeking additional funding

[2:51:08] so that they will come to us and let us

[2:51:10] know that they are receiving additional

[2:51:12] funding they turn our timeline time out

[2:51:14] yeah so yeah we have been doing that so

[2:51:16] just contingencies around funding and

[2:51:18] then there's contingencies around the

[2:51:19] timeline so i'm saying is that

[2:51:21] projects that we awarded money to um

[2:51:24] already the allocated funding tool um

[2:51:26] that we give them

[2:51:27] the timeline as well so it's just

[2:51:29] something new that we're doing now we're

[2:51:30] gonna try to retrofit into what we've

[2:51:32] done before so

[2:51:34] the last runs any agency that we approve

[2:51:36] funding and if they are seeking

[2:51:38] additional funding or we partially fund

[2:51:40] them we ask them we attach a contingency

[2:51:43] and we attach

[2:51:44] provide us with uh proof that you're

[2:51:47] going outside seeking additional funding

[2:51:48] from our agencies

[2:51:50] you know i i i'm familiar we are doing

[2:51:52] the same thing here tonight

[2:51:54] i'm familiar with the addition seeking

[2:51:56] additional funding what i'm saying is

[2:51:57] that we're talking about the timeline i

[2:51:59] just you know we asked a gentleman here

[2:52:01] and he was saying yeah

[2:52:02] 12-month timeline did we give everyone a

[2:52:04] 12-month timeline that we

[2:52:07] um i mean i know you wrote

[2:52:09] probably started right now some of the

[2:52:10] agreements uh misconceived do you do

[2:52:12] have we been consistent with giving

[2:52:14] everyone that gear timeline yeah i don't

[2:52:16] know what contracts have been entered

[2:52:18] into yet i haven't seen any contracts

[2:52:19] that have come across my desk for review

[2:52:22] yet

[2:52:24] but any contingency that the city

[2:52:26] council previously approved would be in

[2:52:28] the contract because

[2:52:29] that's just what has to happen when the

[2:52:31] city council passes something i have to

[2:52:33] reflect the contract has to reflect what

[2:52:35] the city council authorized

[2:52:40] please i'm just a little worried about

[2:52:42] the hamilton hill arts center

[2:52:44] that's where we want ron to

[2:52:47] where so i want to make sure that that

[2:52:49] doesn't get held up because ron might be

[2:52:51] able to not be able to get the funding

[2:52:52] to pay these individuals

[2:52:55] is that what we're

[2:52:57] no no

[2:52:59] okay so for um

[2:53:01] the well hamilton hill arts center was

[2:53:02] just a funding

[2:53:06] that's the one where

[2:53:08] we're looking for community benefit

[2:53:09] agreement from where they would have to

[2:53:11] work with ron but that's a contin

[2:53:14] correct me if i'm wrong that's a

[2:53:15] contingency where they have to agree if you're going to

[2:53:18] get this money from the city you have to

[2:53:20] have this other agreement with the city

[2:53:22] where you're going to use oh they're

[2:53:23] going to and they're going to pay the

[2:53:25] people that ron has put through the

[2:53:27] program okay my misunderstanding i

[2:53:29] thought we would have to have that they

[2:53:31] have a contract with yeah okay bring

[2:53:33] those folks on and this project would

[2:53:35] not happen if they don't receive

[2:53:36] additional

[2:53:41] so so just to be clear they were going

[2:53:43] to have to hire someone anyway right so

[2:53:45] the point of the higher okay i thought

[2:53:46] we would have to come up with the

[2:53:47] funding through right okay i'm going to

[2:53:49] see you guys

[2:53:52] any other discussion before we move this

[2:53:56] so we have a motion to move uh this

[2:53:58] evening 11 million 383 857. so

[2:54:03] have a

[2:54:04] second

[2:54:06] no i'm going to second it all in favor

[2:54:09] aye thank you

[2:54:11] um

[2:54:12] you want you want with also authorizing

[2:54:14] the contract yes contrast with the

[2:54:17] containers

[2:54:20] the funding but also authorizing the

[2:54:22] contract and with the contingency as

[2:54:24] outlined

[2:54:26] by mr coleman and myself

[2:54:28] can you do that one more time just make

[2:54:30] the motion to get it out of committee

[2:54:31] this i want to be on this cliff

[2:54:45] any other business

[2:55:01] government operations award we have two

[2:55:02] [Music]

[2:55:04] agenda items um first one is information

[2:55:06] technology systems um

[2:55:09] presented by mr mayor who was

[2:55:28] actually we have like from like 10 12

[2:55:31] years ago one piece documentation and

[2:55:33] nothing in there so we john and i have

[2:55:35] been working on this for almost more

[2:55:38] than a year now

[2:55:40] police department

[2:55:42] corporate

[2:55:55] so this is this policy will be very good

[2:55:58] for us for the

[2:55:59] any compliance we try to match you know

[2:56:02] it asks what do you have policy

[2:56:04] you know any grant verify any you know

[2:56:07] payment card or anything security we do

[2:56:10] uh even cyber security policy this is a

[2:56:12] must you know so that's why we're

[2:56:14] proposing for that in uh uh including

[2:56:17] personal policy uh coming years

[2:56:23] the city deals with delicate information

[2:56:26] day in and day out obviously and we have

[2:56:28] a lot of systems employed whether that's

[2:56:31] out in the field with a code enforcement

[2:56:33] officer with a tablet whether that's

[2:56:35] over at the police department whether

[2:56:37] that's you know somebody accessing city

[2:56:39] hall to go get a birth certificate or

[2:56:41] whatever it is their emails their

[2:56:43] correspondences

[2:56:45] so it's looking to have uniformity

[2:56:46] across the city um when it comes to you

[2:56:49] know electronic communications elect you

[2:56:51] know whether that's as i said emails it

[2:56:53] could just be inter interfacing on the

[2:56:56] internet right using web apps using

[2:56:58] whatever um so it's creating something

[2:57:00] that's standard and um this policy also

[2:57:03] takes into consideration the retention

[2:57:04] policy that the city council has

[2:57:06] previously approved because that's

[2:57:08] obviously very serious and something we

[2:57:10] take seriously in the law department

[2:57:11] obviously because of foil um and i know

[2:57:14] that that's incorporated in here about

[2:57:16] you know we talk about deleting emails

[2:57:18] and you know getting rid of

[2:57:20] correspondences so people don't do that

[2:57:22] right if you're using you know a city um

[2:57:26] a city computer a city you know

[2:57:29] telephone smartphone whatever it is

[2:57:30] you're not deleting communications and

[2:57:32] if you do

[2:57:34] this policy is telling you you can't do

[2:57:36] that you have to follow what the foil

[2:57:39] law says and you can be held responsible

[2:57:41] if you don't right it's about you know

[2:57:43] not giving access to

[2:57:45] um non-employees um you know

[2:57:49] either via you know cell phone or

[2:57:50] computer

[2:57:52] anything in our systems because again

[2:57:54] it's you know it creates a potential for

[2:57:57] you know data to get out somebody to get

[2:57:59] in right viruses etc

[2:58:02] yeah do we have data encryption

[2:58:06] in place here

[2:58:08] yeah i mean we do have the default

[2:58:10] microsoft uh you know

[2:58:13] description higher order stuff yeah so i

[2:58:15] mean

[2:58:16] yeah and the secret like you know we

[2:58:18] don't have any classified classified

[2:58:20] messages that's why we well no but i

[2:58:22] mean even at the college we have

[2:58:24] encryption of your data

[2:58:26] and uh it's a higher order than

[2:58:28] microsoft so that's what i was asking

[2:58:34] yeah

[2:58:36] sorry

[2:58:37] i was just asking about confidential

[2:58:39] stuff

[2:58:40] to discuss

[2:58:42] you know confident

[2:58:44] a lot of things can you know i'm sorry

[2:58:46] right you know confidential no nothing

[2:58:48] else you know this is all fine for here

[2:58:49] right but you know there's obviously

[2:58:51] confidential information that gets you

[2:58:53] know sent via email

[2:58:55] yeah we definitely take care of in this

[2:58:57] policy database policy you know like uh

[2:59:00] remote access policy like uh android and

[2:59:02] something there

[2:59:04] so uh we have like uh

[2:59:06] look through each you know even the

[2:59:07] police department some people use this

[2:59:09] personal phone or something department

[2:59:11] based on something so it still does

[2:59:13] those phone if something is there that

[2:59:15] is used for business so in case of

[2:59:18] something we can ask for that phone to

[2:59:20] look to it something like that

[2:59:28] so i know um growing up in the military

[2:59:30] there's training for absolutely

[2:59:31] everything and i think when we discuss

[2:59:33] technology i think it's fair to

[2:59:35] understand that people's understanding

[2:59:37] of how to use technology appropriately

[2:59:38] is not the same so is there any way that

[2:59:41] you'd associate maybe like an in-person

[2:59:43] discussion or is the expectation

[2:59:46] and you're communicating

[2:59:49] yeah so i think after this is you know

[2:59:51] my plan is to send it to each employee

[2:59:54] like we do and we know that we should

[2:59:56] play there or not you can put something

[2:59:58] in there check mark to stay you know

[3:00:00] read it or not if it's you

[3:00:08] know and if i may frankly you know

[3:00:13] assuming this passes

[3:00:15] you know this is something that

[3:00:16] talks to my staff about all the time you

[3:00:18] know that's that's natural for us to

[3:00:20] talk about that you know but the

[3:00:21] expectation would be you know department

[3:00:23] heads i think read this information ask

[3:00:25] questions to i.t if there are questions

[3:00:28] talk to the staff

[3:00:30] and see if the staff has questions that

[3:00:32] could be relayed if there are questions

[3:00:34] right

[3:00:36] i think there has to be open lines of

[3:00:37] communication on what to do with this

[3:00:39] information there's so much of it

[3:00:41] right you know whether that's you know

[3:00:42] hopefully you know we're not using our

[3:00:44] personal cell phones all the time to do

[3:00:46] city business right that's obviously

[3:00:49] because honestly when you do it that's

[3:00:51] the communication that you know if

[3:00:52] there's ever

[3:00:53] a lawsuit or something like that it's

[3:00:55] potentially discoverable

[3:00:57] you know which is why i prefer things to

[3:00:59] happen you know if i a phone call is not

[3:01:01] going to show up right if i talk to

[3:01:03] somebody and if somebody wants to send

[3:01:04] me something i tell them to email it to

[3:01:06] my to my work email because now it's

[3:01:09] backed up on the server whereas if it's

[3:01:11] on my cell phone

[3:01:12] um you know nobody guts it right because

[3:01:15] nobody will know what's out there but me

[3:01:16] and then i have to you know be obviously

[3:01:18] honest about it which i would be

[3:01:22] you know i think but i think generally

[3:01:24] the thought process here is let's have

[3:01:26] the policy in place

[3:01:28] um let's you know get it out to the

[3:01:30] staff let them review it let them ask

[3:01:32] questions let department heads you know

[3:01:35] ask questions and you know relay

[3:01:37] information if need be to

[3:01:39] um to id and to belong

[3:01:42] so we're saying let's get the policy out

[3:01:44] there to staff

[3:01:46] um and let them

[3:01:48] um kind of ask questions uh have we got

[3:01:50] any feedback on our policy thus far we

[3:01:52] shared it with anyone yet

[3:01:55] so more than the feedback we're trying

[3:01:56] to

[3:01:57] establish the accessible use policy like

[3:01:59] you know your password how many

[3:02:01] characters you should have the password

[3:02:02] it's like you know what you watch you

[3:02:04] should do you know like like can we say

[3:02:06] that you know you do not do the text

[3:02:08] message but do the email for any

[3:02:10] official business so that you have the

[3:02:11] record of that

[3:02:13] because we followed the new york state

[3:02:16] oil

[3:02:17] policy and you know we had like you know

[3:02:19] we have mentioned like so many things

[3:02:21] you can do cannot do

[3:02:23] all these things we have included we're

[3:02:25] going to summarize it and put that over

[3:02:26] here

[3:02:32] and to be frank like this is a

[3:02:34] i think you know putting this together i

[3:02:36] know gowan worked with um chris marnie

[3:02:38] in my office on putting this together

[3:02:40] and obviously with john coluccio

[3:02:43] this is a relatively a relatively

[3:02:45] objective document

[3:02:48] and it really does safeguard because

[3:02:49] obviously the interest here is on the

[3:02:51] city right we're trying to protect the

[3:02:53] information so it doesn't get out

[3:02:55] inadvertently

[3:02:56] or you know i say inadvertently through

[3:02:59] channels that are not

[3:03:01] the foil system or other ways to get

[3:03:03] information and also

[3:03:05] you know i know the mayor has mentioned

[3:03:06] this many times before we have people

[3:03:08] who try to infiltrate the system and

[3:03:11] it's easier to infiltrate the system if

[3:03:13] people are um

[3:03:15] you know if we don't have a policy in

[3:03:16] place right where we can hold people

[3:03:17] accountable to follow a particular

[3:03:19] policy because then there's you know

[3:03:21] some i don't say subjectivity to it but

[3:03:23] there isn't a standard right by creating

[3:03:26] a standard which is this is what it's

[3:03:28] doing it's creating a baseline to

[3:03:29] protect the city from both people trying

[3:03:32] to get into the system and information

[3:03:33] that frankly should not get out of the

[3:03:35] system social security numbers

[3:03:38] personal addresses because sometimes we

[3:03:40] do email um pcs of personnel changes

[3:03:43] right and that would have

[3:03:45] that information in it we want to make

[3:03:47] sure that that somehow does not get out

[3:03:49] in public because i don't want my social

[3:03:51] security number out there right

[3:03:53] you know i don't want you know people

[3:03:55] can find out where i live probably by

[3:03:56] looking in you know the white pages if

[3:03:58] it exists anymore but it shouldn't be

[3:04:00] getting out through a personnel change

[3:04:03] so we're trying to you know i think give

[3:04:06] create a standard for everybody across

[3:04:07] the city in terms of dealing with this

[3:04:09] information

[3:04:11] and

[3:04:12] you know it may be that at some point in

[3:04:14] time this is going to have to be adapted

[3:04:15] as technology changes as our needs

[3:04:18] change as laws change

[3:04:20] but i think as it stands right now this

[3:04:22] is a

[3:04:23] baseline of what the city really needs

[3:04:25] in terms of

[3:04:27] um creating a level of protection for

[3:04:30] um

[3:04:31] for the city and also for the employees

[3:04:42] you may have mentioned it here but i

[3:04:44] just i don't think we have a lot of

[3:04:45] mobile import employees but if we do

[3:04:48] have people who are traveling are they

[3:04:50] restricted and using public wi-fi

[3:04:53] accessing the city

[3:04:55] so if they're uh uh like when somebody's

[3:04:58] traveling outside they can use any

[3:05:00] public wi-fi that's gonna talk about yes

[3:05:02] yeah so they can use it but you know if

[3:05:03] they are using vpn

[3:05:05] they will be like protected from that

[3:05:07] one so whatever policy we have in the

[3:05:09] vpn our network

[3:05:11] that will apply to that person so

[3:05:13] you know that will be restricted so they

[3:05:15] won't be able to visit any

[3:05:18] malicious website or something because

[3:05:20] that is from our network

[3:05:22] okay

[3:05:40] so we don't have any policy right now

[3:05:41] around uh

[3:05:47] i mean there is like you know if you see

[3:05:49] like uh

[3:05:51] excuse me 12 10 12 years old policy that

[3:05:54] can be friendly kathy introduce here i

[3:05:56] think she wrote like

[3:05:57] one paragraph for the computer policies

[3:06:00] and it does not have anything in there

[3:06:03] so we really don't have like something

[3:06:06] like this kind of house

[3:06:07] i think it's fair i'm sorry

[3:06:09] i think it's fair to say it was

[3:06:10] piecemealed in a way we had a policy but

[3:06:12] then there were other things that

[3:06:14] related to

[3:06:15] um

[3:06:16] documentation the retention policy for

[3:06:18] example that was something that was

[3:06:20] separate and we've incorporated the

[3:06:22] retention policy into into this for

[3:06:24] example so it was somewhat piecemeal and

[3:06:26] you know probably lacking

[3:06:29] this is obviously much more

[3:06:30] comprehensive than what we've

[3:06:40] had so this is um so if we were to

[3:06:44] this would be looking forward correct

[3:06:47] this is going to be perspective because

[3:06:49] it's not a policy until the city council

[3:06:50] authorizes it as a policy

[3:06:54] so but this would be looking forward

[3:06:56] right yes

[3:06:58] yeah we're looking forward

[3:07:03] okay another discussion

[3:07:14] uh

[3:07:24] next we have discussion around amending

[3:07:25] of city ordinance regarding residency

[3:07:27] requirements president brookfield

[3:07:30] thank you so as you know we had a vote

[3:07:31] at the last council meeting regarding um

[3:07:33] [Music]

[3:07:35] regarding expanding the residency to the

[3:07:38] county

[3:07:39] um the vote the it passed five to two

[3:07:43] uh however the mayor did veto this

[3:07:45] uh he sent a letter which all of you

[3:07:47] received um explaining why he vetoed it

[3:07:51] and i

[3:07:52] also and i responded to his letter

[3:07:54] explaining you know pointing out some

[3:07:56] things as to why we needed to

[3:07:59] have um county residents so at this

[3:08:01] point in time the next step for this is

[3:08:04] for it to be returned back to the

[3:08:06] council again at the upcoming meeting to

[3:08:09] once again come up for a vote in order

[3:08:11] to override that veto

[3:08:13] so i bring it back here for discussion

[3:08:15] and see if anybody has any questions

[3:08:17] regarding either letter that you

[3:08:18] received

[3:08:19] or anything in general

[3:08:29] so i'd say for me personally

[3:08:31] going through my first veto i was

[3:08:33] definitely very disheartened

[3:08:35] i think there was a lot of work that was

[3:08:36] put into getting to this point and i

[3:08:38] know the mayor mentioned having some

[3:08:40] reservations but i feel like this was

[3:08:43] delivered fairly completely where i

[3:08:45] think

[3:08:46] it definitely i believe it doesn't take

[3:08:48] into consideration all the time and

[3:08:50] effort that it was taken to get to this

[3:08:51] point however that is

[3:08:53] um

[3:08:54] neither here or there so looking at how

[3:08:56] we move forward for me personally if the

[3:08:58] mayor is

[3:09:00] um

[3:09:01] really

[3:09:02] strongly positioned on not wanting to

[3:09:04] have considerations for current staff

[3:09:06] whether we discuss it in executive

[3:09:08] session i would like to know what staff

[3:09:10] he has outlined with the understanding

[3:09:12] of does this

[3:09:13] substantiate holding up the entire

[3:09:15] process

[3:09:16] because still

[3:09:18] our city is without and i think if the

[3:09:20] mayor is making that determination and i

[3:09:22] respect his title authority in office i

[3:09:24] would like to have more clarification

[3:09:26] and support that but without having that

[3:09:28] information

[3:09:29] i feel like again we are leaving our

[3:09:31] city employees to hold the bag and they

[3:09:33] have resoundedly mentioned that they

[3:09:36] need help so i think that voices that

[3:09:38] i've heard thus far of asking for help

[3:09:41] far outweigh my

[3:09:43] assumptions of what the mayor is

[3:09:46] operating off of so i would like further

[3:09:47] clarification

[3:09:51] any other comments on that discussion

[3:09:55] i think my letter was pretty clear and

[3:09:57] um you know and i outlined that

[3:10:00] we you know the number of openings that

[3:10:02] we have and some of them are one

[3:10:04] particular department more than others

[3:10:06] so again you know for those of you who

[3:10:08] um who did not vote for the first time

[3:10:11] i'm going to ask you to reconsider

[3:10:13] because this is a

[3:10:15] where we're putting our staff in a

[3:10:17] position where they're

[3:10:18] we we heard it today but mr mr wallin

[3:10:21] like

[3:10:22] there's so many projects that he has to

[3:10:24] oversee and then also our department of

[3:10:26] development where we're allocating this

[3:10:28] money so i think it's worthwhile that we do this and we currently um

[3:10:34] have people that live outside the city

[3:10:36] at this current time already so

[3:10:39] and outside the county for that matter

[3:10:41] so um it's already whether we whether we

[3:10:44] have it officially or not it's already

[3:10:46] happening

[3:10:47] so i really think it's it would it

[3:10:49] clearly it clearly demonstrates that we

[3:10:52] have a need to expand it and this

[3:10:54] doesn't just does not just apply to the

[3:10:57] city of schenectady

[3:10:58] there's an article in the paper

[3:10:59] yesterday about how some um

[3:11:02] employers are actually coming up with

[3:11:05] incentives to get people to work so

[3:11:07] staff shortage it's not just something

[3:11:09] that's happening to us it's happening

[3:11:10] all over and it's really something that

[3:11:12] we need to address if we intend to be

[3:11:14] effective and and make sure that our

[3:11:16] workforce has the support that it needs

[3:11:18] so um

[3:11:20] again we'll come back to the council for

[3:11:23] um to be reintroduced that's what has to

[3:11:25] happen after a veto

[3:11:26] and we'll come back on next week's

[3:11:28] agenda

[3:11:30] well so i would just say that you know

[3:11:32] initially i was i i was against this and

[3:11:35] i was concerned about making sure that

[3:11:37] we're um you know prioritizing the

[3:11:39] people that live in the city the people

[3:11:41] who um you know

[3:11:43] uh

[3:11:44] and supporting our tax base um

[3:11:48] and

[3:11:50] so when we put this forward it was my

[3:11:52] understanding that we did put it forward

[3:11:54] um with the consideration of um

[3:11:58] having uh

[3:12:01] incentivizing

[3:12:02] um you know uh

[3:12:05] people who live in the city like right

[3:12:08] that's how the legislation did the

[3:12:09] discussion is that we would come back to

[3:12:11] that that part and yes because that

[3:12:13] might even include some bargaining units

[3:12:15] right things of that nature

[3:12:16] okay so so so you know again initially i

[3:12:20] was against that but i think that in the

[3:12:21] spirit of what we're trying to do here

[3:12:24] um is in the fact that that um

[3:12:27] we are going to incentivize and

[3:12:29] prioritize

[3:12:30] uh people living in uh living in the

[3:12:32] city i would just welcome any other you

[3:12:34] know kind of comments or discussions as

[3:12:36] to why that might not be something that

[3:12:38] we that we want to do

[3:12:45] okay here we go

[3:12:47] so

[3:12:49] that i'll make a motion to adjourn

[3:12:52] so

[3:12:53] second

[3:12:54] oh so we're gonna i thought that this

[3:12:56] just came back after veto i thought

[3:12:57] that's something

[3:13:02] but i wanted to bring it back just have

[3:13:04] this discussion and let you know it's

[3:13:05] coming back i believe you have to pass

[3:13:07] out a committee

[3:13:08] it's still happening no you don't it

[3:13:09] doesn't have to be under the code if the

[3:13:12] mayor vetoes it gets laid back before

[3:13:14] the council the next council meeting so

[3:13:15] it's very clear that it's not committed

[3:13:17] yet so so i don't right so you know none

[3:13:20] you don't need to intend to take a

[3:13:21] motion yes

[3:13:23] cool for me

[3:13:25] all right so

[3:13:26] with this i like to adjourn uh uh got my

[3:13:29] operations

[3:13:31] you moved it no

[3:13:34] did you move that was motion she wasn't

[3:13:36] making emotion that was just a motion

[3:13:42] [Music]

[3:13:46] we have nine items on the agenda

[3:13:49] uh the first item mr wallam 501 state

[3:13:51] street

[3:13:55] [Music]

[3:14:00] for the next committee meeting so just

[3:14:03] push that off

[3:14:17] [Music]

[3:14:22] 218 so as you're aware we are working uh

[3:14:26] as expedited as possible on the central

[3:14:29] park project

[3:14:30] uh for the construction of the pool uh

[3:14:32] the pool will be uh

[3:14:34] seated at the existing world used to be

[3:14:37] the former tennis stadium site

[3:14:40] phase one of the project was we engaged

[3:14:42] with a scrapper essentially to remove

[3:14:46] all the metal and

[3:14:48] valuable items so to speak

[3:14:50] from the site that phase was completed

[3:14:52] uh two weeks ago this next phase was to

[3:14:55] do site

[3:14:56] grading and demolition which is uh we're

[3:14:59] going to be removing uh trees uh in a

[3:15:02] hill that it runs along

[3:15:05] the roadway adjacent to there

[3:15:07] we're going to do this now to make this

[3:15:10] site what's called pad ready for the

[3:15:11] next contractor

[3:15:14] it's just another step in trying to show

[3:15:16] progress and show the community that

[3:15:17] we're really moving forward with this

[3:15:20] next we're going to be going out in the

[3:15:21] near future with the bid of actually the

[3:15:24] pool house proper and everything else

[3:15:27] but we put this out

[3:15:29] our engineer's estimate was between two

[3:15:31] and three hundred thousand dollars

[3:15:33] and the pricing that we got was for the

[3:15:35] most part right in between there

[3:15:38] um kevlar and sons

[3:15:40] is a contractor that we have not worked

[3:15:42] with in recent times i have not really

[3:15:44] worked with that much however i do know

[3:15:47] that they are

[3:15:48] one of the

[3:15:52] go-to contractors for union college they

[3:15:54] do a lot of work with union college i

[3:15:56] have a lot of colleagues at union

[3:15:57] college and uh you know they actually

[3:16:00] they don't have to bid they're private

[3:16:02] they select who they believe does the

[3:16:03] best work and they continually work with

[3:16:06] keller so to me that speaks uh

[3:16:09] well for them and the quality of their

[3:16:11] work this project also is pretty simple

[3:16:14] in the fact that it is tree dirt removal

[3:16:17] we're going to bring some of the dirt

[3:16:18] down to foster avenue use it as a cap on

[3:16:20] some of that so i'll be able to relocate

[3:16:23] some of it so i have no reservations

[3:16:26] with this

[3:16:27] price or

[3:16:29] are there any questions

[3:16:32] mr williams oh sorry a weird question

[3:16:35] i'll be remiss then you pay for it

[3:16:36] during the next family meeting my

[3:16:38] brother-in-law is an avid disc offer and

[3:16:40] we do have a large community that takes

[3:16:42] part in that do you anticipate and then

[3:16:44] you can let me know if this hasn't even

[3:16:45] been a consideration do you anticipate

[3:16:47] any like long or short term disruptions

[3:16:49] to the central park disc golfing flow uh

[3:16:52] permanent destruction but that is what

[3:16:54] we're doing with kenji we've already

[3:16:57] reached out to him

[3:16:58] and uh our ogs department along with

[3:17:01] kennedy we're going to be permanently

[3:17:03] relocating these holes to other areas

[3:17:06] and kind of reconfiguring it because

[3:17:09] with the tennis stadium being abandoned

[3:17:12] and not a lot of traffic worked well for

[3:17:14] their flow but now when we're talking

[3:17:16] about

[3:17:16] a new parking lot a pool all these

[3:17:18] things he you know in our meetings he

[3:17:21] was on our pool advisory committee he

[3:17:23] said you know what we walked it and we

[3:17:25] have some other areas that we'd like to

[3:17:26] disperse so they're going to be

[3:17:28] renumbering the holes and creating a

[3:17:29] couple of new areas so that they're just

[3:17:31] out of this area because it feels like

[3:17:33] it's going to be too many conflicts as

[3:17:34] we go forward

[3:17:38] any other questions i'll move this

[3:17:41] second

[3:17:43] oh i'll second all those in favor all

[3:17:45] right

[3:17:46] okay the next item is approval of change

[3:17:48] order to seal quote usa inc for the

[3:17:50] track field

[3:17:52] track ceiling of city streets yeah this

[3:17:54] is

[3:17:55] um completely at your discretion we are

[3:17:58] awarded a sealcoat contract in april

[3:18:01] crack ceiling contract i'm sorry the

[3:18:03] winning bid was seal code usa

[3:18:06] they came in they did a great job

[3:18:09] expediting two weeks they went through

[3:18:11] all of our budget so to speak but we did

[3:18:14] not do a crack ceiling good year prior

[3:18:17] um just because of our workload and

[3:18:19] coven we didn't do one so we were behind

[3:18:22] we did a small change order to finish up

[3:18:24] some of the remaining street because it

[3:18:26] goes by a quantity basis

[3:18:28] but

[3:18:29] there's still a lot of need out there

[3:18:30] for the city so we kind of came up with

[3:18:33] you know we don't want to

[3:18:35] you know really uh

[3:18:37] take advantage of

[3:18:39] you know

[3:18:40] doubling the contract so to speak but we

[3:18:42] did thought it would be in the best

[3:18:43] interest of the city if we you know gave

[3:18:46] them a little bit more authorize a

[3:18:47] little bit more money to steal coat a

[3:18:49] little bit more streets prior to winter

[3:18:51] and then we'll put out a new contract

[3:18:53] next year um due to our purchasing

[3:18:54] regulations though anytime change order

[3:18:57] over 20

[3:18:58] is at the council's discretion

[3:19:01] i don't think it's a bad investment seal

[3:19:03] coating is always the number one

[3:19:04] preventative maintenance technique that

[3:19:06] you can do and we're really trying to

[3:19:08] make a case to do with more and more

[3:19:11] seal coating every year i think it

[3:19:13] actually has really helped some of our

[3:19:14] roadways here at boulevard and i'm going

[3:19:16] to see that the water is not getting

[3:19:18] into the pavement the pavement without

[3:19:20] the water isn't cracking apart um the

[3:19:23] big goal that we're trying to do is put

[3:19:24] together our program so that we're

[3:19:26] sealed coating roads

[3:19:27] in the three to four age bracket so we

[3:19:30] pave it and then three to four years we

[3:19:32] come back we evaluate that's usually

[3:19:34] when you get the most

[3:19:37] smallest most linear cracks propagating

[3:19:39] up so

[3:19:40] this right now is a little bit more of a

[3:19:42] scatter shot we're doing a lot of areas

[3:19:44] but still it's our second big contract

[3:19:48] this is going to be an annual thing that

[3:19:49] we do

[3:19:51] are there any questions yeah i have a

[3:19:52] question so i remember

[3:19:54] some time ago but the mayor was talking

[3:19:56] about the smart city initiative and how

[3:19:58] that

[3:19:59] you know a component of that would be

[3:20:01] for us to better uh kind of gain twin

[3:20:03] roads and kind of be able to judge the

[3:20:05] wear and tear and the roads that we're

[3:20:07] using that information that we're

[3:20:08] gathering not right now no that is so

[3:20:13] no right now what that is relying on is

[3:20:16] the mayor is installing optical sensors

[3:20:19] we call them cameras but

[3:20:21] the technical term is optical sensors

[3:20:23] and the optical sensors are going to

[3:20:25] monitor a litany of things once they're

[3:20:27] all in place and one of them he's hoping

[3:20:30] is that essentially they're going to

[3:20:31] take a picture of the roadway

[3:20:33] even if it's every week really matter

[3:20:35] cracks don't happen overnight doing

[3:20:36] watching grass grow but they could take

[3:20:38] the picture and then eventually you

[3:20:40] would notice the deterioration of the

[3:20:42] roadway

[3:20:43] i don't know i mean i don't even know if

[3:20:45] bowen would know if that technology is

[3:20:48] there quite yet

[3:20:49] but i do know that we're already using

[3:20:51] them for traffic

[3:20:53] and things like that so the technology

[3:20:56] is going to be there we just

[3:20:59] i don't think we have enough uh

[3:21:02] i i just don't think this area for that

[3:21:03] sensor to actually be able to pick up a

[3:21:05] crack in the roadway you know so right

[3:21:07] now we're doing the what we do right now

[3:21:09] is

[3:21:11] when we pave a road for the season

[3:21:13] uh we put it in the gis as a layer we

[3:21:16] upload it into a public portal that's on

[3:21:19] the city engineering website and so then

[3:21:21] what we do is when going to come here so

[3:21:23] next year is 2023 and we're going to

[3:21:26] look and we're going to say okay what

[3:21:27] roles did we take in 2019 and 2018 and

[3:21:30] we're going to go drive those roads

[3:21:32] first as a manual component we're going

[3:21:33] to drive them we're going to say okay

[3:21:35] these roads are candidates the one thing

[3:21:37] you don't want is a road with too many

[3:21:39] cracks because you pay for this by the

[3:21:41] gallon

[3:21:42] so it's not costing private to go out

[3:21:45] there and just you know go nuts with it

[3:21:47] you really want to have center line

[3:21:49] seams some cracking if you get it's

[3:21:51] called alligator cracking or swallowing

[3:21:54] that's a whole other technique so we're

[3:21:56] trying to try to skip that but

[3:21:58] yeah hopefully in the future we can do

[3:22:00] that there's also talk about mounting

[3:22:02] things to vehicles you know so that the

[3:22:04] vehicles drive the road and they'll be

[3:22:05] able to do that so lots of things are

[3:22:07] possible in the future

[3:22:09] any other questions

[3:22:11] obtain the motion so

[3:22:13] second all those in favor

[3:22:16] thank you thank you very much mr

[3:22:17] williams

[3:22:19] next item on the agenda agenda is a

[3:22:21] ceremonial resolution for national drive

[3:22:23] electric week

[3:22:25] sweden

[3:22:27] thank you so i know that there is going

[3:22:29] to be a national our new state capitol

[3:22:31] district drive electric week coming up

[3:22:35] september 25th it's about putting

[3:22:36] together a resolution supporting

[3:22:39] that ambition of prioritizing driving

[3:22:42] electric vehicles i know the city has

[3:22:44] worked

[3:22:45] exclusively with making sure that their

[3:22:47] vehicles that they're in incorporating

[3:22:49] to our fleets are more

[3:22:51] electrical and it's also a narrative

[3:22:53] that's coming down from the federal

[3:22:54] government of how do we reduce gas

[3:22:57] emissions so i think it's imperative of

[3:22:58] us to further support

[3:23:01] these efforts

[3:23:03] any questions

[3:23:05] answer emotions

[3:23:06] second all those in favor all right

[3:23:09] the next uh item a ceremony resolution

[3:23:11] for national hispanic heritage month mr

[3:23:14] williams thank you um

[3:23:16] for similar different reasons we have a

[3:23:19] very

[3:23:20] welcoming and large hispanic community

[3:23:23] within our city and i think it's

[3:23:25] important to make sure that we

[3:23:26] intentionally pause and recognize a lot

[3:23:29] of the uh

[3:23:32] we just pause and appreciate their

[3:23:33] history and the contributions to our

[3:23:36] local area so

[3:23:38] questions

[3:23:39] obtain a motion

[3:23:41] second always in favor

[3:23:44] uh item number six is um

[3:23:47] a reminder that the where there's

[3:23:49] there'll be a public hearing on

[3:23:51] 912 to support the metroplex application

[3:23:54] for the restoring new york grant

[3:23:57] and um i'd also like the committee to

[3:23:59] entertain um another ceremony resolution

[3:24:02] if you would uh our our lady of mark

[3:24:04] carmel is having their 100th anniversary

[3:24:07] and i'd like to be able to give them a

[3:24:09] ceremony resolution

[3:24:11] um

[3:24:12] to recognize that there's no objection

[3:24:20] second all those in favor all right

[3:24:22] thank you

[3:24:23] the remainder of the items on the agenda

[3:24:25] are for um

[3:24:27] executive session so this time i'll have

[3:24:29] to change emotions in executive sessions

[3:24:31] so

[3:24:32] second all of us in favor

[3:24:34] all right we're in executive session and

[3:24:35] the public will have to leave

[3:24:38] thank you

Schenectady City Council Committee Meeting, September 6, 2022

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